July 14, 2026 • 36 mins
In the second hour, Dick Fain and Hugh Millen react to an ESPN poll with NFL coaches and executives ranking quarterbacks including the absence of Sam Darnold from their top ten, then the guys listen and react to some Fun with Audio before Jon Wilner joins to discuss more news in the Sherrone Moore situation and a college football super-league.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
Welcome back. We're here at all six Saftian Dick without
the soft one here is here. Jackson is here. World
Championship soccer recap show that was called six o'clock, got it?
Got the name right?
Speaker 3 (00:32):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Coming up at six o'clock. Well, we transition from soccer
into football, American football, and ESPN has as they do
each year, they interview NFL execs, coaches, and scouts and
they have all those people rank the top ten at
(00:55):
each position in the NFL. And I think that's a
pretty significant group to be polling. I think that's an
accurate group to be polling, certainly more than fans and
probably even more than players as well, certainly more than
the media. So I take this, you know, as a
fairly substantial poll that ESPN does. And it's interesting that
(01:19):
just a couple of days ago, the quarterback rankings came
out and we'll give you the list of quarterbacks, but
we'll let Colin Coward tell you which quarterback was not
included in the top ten survey from ESPN.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
They went to NFL coaches, executives, general managers, and scouts
and they asked them, who are the ten best quarterbacks
in the league. It's a lot of predictable people. Josh
Allen above Mahomes. We've been on that for several years now.
Burrow doesn't make the playoffs anymore. He's at four. Dak
Prescott has one playoff whenever at six oh. I like
(01:56):
to see Jared Goff and Caleb Williams in there, But
where's Sam Donald? And that's what's really interesting. Even the
gms in this league don't know what the hell to
do with Sam Darnold. Back to back fourteen win seasons,
totally different players, offensive lineman, coordinators, coaches, back to back
fourteen wins in a Super Bowl since twenty twenty two.
(02:18):
He has the highest win percentage of any quarterback.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
In the league. And Hugh we have the quarterback win
controversy again. Some people think it's incredibly important, some people
think it's not very important. At all, we've got the
guys at the top, which I don't think even the
most ardent Sam Donald apologists would say that they would
(02:41):
rather take him over Josh Allen, or him over Patrick Mahomes,
or even him over Matthew Stafford or probably Joe Burrow.
I think when you get down to the bottom part
of this list, there are certainly guys that you can
make an argument for Sam Darnald ahead of He brought
up a couple of them. He brought up Dak Prescott,
he brought up Jared Goff, he brought up I'm gonna
(03:05):
bring up Lamar Jackson because I don't think Lamar Jackson
is now what Lamar Jackson used to be. Drake May
is on this list ahead of Sam Darnold. My god,
that guy that I watched in person in the Super Bowl,
that Drake May is ahead of Sam Donald. So you know,
(03:26):
we did this ranking. I think we remember it was
with or without you. I think we included you in
it a couple of months ago, and we did, and
we had Sam Wright around ten, and to the credit
of the Scouts, they had him as the first honorable mention.
So I don't necessarily think it's egregious that Sam Donald
is ranked eleven, but it got the ire of Colin Coward.
(03:48):
What say you?
Speaker 3 (03:49):
Well, first of all, I think that there may be
some people that are sitting there going, dude, give us
the freaking list, right, so want to whistle through that,
you know, through ten?
Speaker 2 (04:00):
So weekend I think I ran, I'll go one through time.
I think I manage every year. Yeah, I'll do it.
I'll do it in order. I mean, the point is,
all these guys were ranked ahead of Sam darnol. I
think I mentioned almost all of them, if not all
of them. Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes, Matthew Stafford was third,
Joe Burrow Forth, Lamar Jackson five, even after the year
he had last year, Dak Justin, Herbert Drake May, Jared Goff,
(04:24):
and Caleb Williams at ten.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
Yeah, so I think, first of all, I always am
curious on the methodology. How much is this just an
assessment of twenty twenty five?
Speaker 2 (04:35):
It is an assessment right now they right now who
are the best right now? Not a projection and not
a career achievement award? Who are the best quarterbacks right now?
Speaker 3 (04:44):
And the contract has nothing to do direct correct okay,
because that's all those are some relevance. Absolutely, I think
I don't think I would have ever said I think
he's tenth. I think that I said that tenth is
about as low as he should be. I think on
that list that probably six is as high as you
(05:06):
can put him. Now we could have we could burn
a whole hour debating Lamar Jackson versus Sam Donald. Most
people are going to land on Lamar Jackson. But let's
just start with six. Dak Prescott, Yes, you could justin
Herbert more talented, but Drake May it really has only
done it for one year, but he was second in
(05:29):
the MVP voting, and there was elements of his game
in terms of pushing the ball down the field, in
how he ran. They could justify that. But you could
also point to things that Sam Donald did that would
justify Donald over Drake May.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
I could point to who Sam Donald played against versus
who Drake May played against. That's the first thing I
can cite.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
Indeed, like you're not gonna get me trying to detract
from Sam Donald. Here goff at nine. You know, I
think that's a little bit of a slip. His highest
ranking was fifth and last year was night, so he
stays at ninth and uh, and then Caleb Williams is
kind of more, you know, the talented, the freak show.
(06:09):
But you know, has he shown that he can win?
So I think there's there's a lot of elements in here.
I would just say that what's hurting Sam Darnold in
this discussion is the Sea Ouk defense number one, and
you know anybody could have done that right, and then
his turnovers and you know, I'm going to repeat it
(06:31):
again and apologies to those who have heard me say this,
but if you run the last five years in the
NFL and you do five one year studies, which is
more important because that's each year. It's not just amassing
well because there'd be a lot of quarterbacks who would
fall out of certain statistics because they've only played a
(06:51):
year or two, like Drake May. So we do five
one year studies and then we just correlate winning to turnovers,
and the correlation is point zero one zero ten. That's
like and think of that as a batting average is
as a guy batting ten ten. And then the correlation
(07:13):
the yards per drop back. Now we all understand yards
per attempt. That's very simple right, And then there's net
yards per attempt that creeped in years ago, which is
is this you subtract the sacks from the passing yardage, obviously,
divide with the attempts, and there's your net yards per attempt,
(07:34):
and that has a higher correlation. Well, now yards per
dropback goes one step further. A drop back is is
considered where the official stat keeper says, well, that's an
attempted pass and you know, a called pass, and if
it's a sack or if it's a scramble, Lamar Jackson,
(07:57):
he scrambles for you know, eleven yards on third and nine,
he gets a yard per dropback.
Speaker 5 (08:03):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
And then of course it's yards per attempt as well
embedded in there. So so it sounds like it'd be
a pretty good statistic, and in fact it is. It
has an over seven hundred seven oh two correlation to winning,
which which turnovers have a ten And by the way,
for those that are are geeky like me, it's a
(08:23):
positive correlation even though ten is infinite testimal, just like
a baseball batting average of the ten. But it has
a positive correlation for those somebody knew noticed that, yes,
it wasn't negative ten, meaning as you would think that
as as turnovers go up, wins go down, that would be.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
A negative correlation. Right, you think it's because of.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
A very infinite testimal positive correlation.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
It's nothing, right, thing and and but and maybe slightly
positive because the more aggressive quarterbacks win more bingo.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
Well, so you say, well, explain that. Wait a minute,
I've been told I've been watching football in my whole life.
I know interceptions are bad, I know turnovers about how
could that possibly be? Well, first of all, this is
not one year, a one year, one month, or one
season a knockoff. This is the five most recent NFL seasons.
And the hypothesis would be that quarterbacks who are aggressive
(09:19):
and who are going big game hunting and are making
the plays on third down and pushing the ball and
making those game winning plays over the course of sixty
minutes and in crunch time, that that mentality and that
level performance in those aggressive areas that is going to
be correlated with some turnovers. But the turnovers that hurt
(09:42):
you are offset by all the big plays that you manufacture.
And maybe how you influence the defense. How are the
coverages they play on first and ten and then all
of a sudden, your running game is better because the
defense knows they're going against an aggressive quarterback. Like somebody's
gonna have to come up with an answer like that.
That number sitting on the spreadsheet has to have an answer.
(10:05):
Turnovers are point zero one zero correlation yards per dropback
or over seven hundred. Sam Donald was near the bottom
or number one in turnovers at a stat that that
has no statistical relevance. He was also number one in
yards per dropback. You go from a ten bat, let's
(10:27):
say you're pinch hitting. Dan Wilson says, do I want
to put in a pinch hitter that's hitting ten or
seven oh two.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Yeah, the first one is called Rob Refsnyder.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
Yes, I put that on the tee for you, as
I expected that down the fairway. But at any event,
this is kind of devolved and this isn't really where
you wanted the segment to go. I would say this.
I think that it doesn't bother me as much because
the dudes just wearing hardware, and I know Sam Donald
isn't bad, isn't bothered by it.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
That's right, that's right.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
By the way, Colin Coward, you know he's from Aberdeen, Washington,
huge Husky fan. I've known him for years. We text,
we talk, and we've talked about Sam Darnald and and
uh and and he's been a you know, just as
big as a fan of his as me.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
He's been a fan of his since is USC days,
hardcore Sam Donald fan since well it's a.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
USC and and for good reason, right, Yeah, I mean
he's he's a not a good dude, a great dude
by uh, you know, I could go on about the
people I've talked to it at SC and and and
through the league, the impression he's made and now he's
you know, all he does is win.
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Let's do a little fun with audio. Hey, Hugh, did
you hear that?
Speaker 3 (12:27):
What's that?
Speaker 5 (12:27):
Dick?
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Seahawks head coach Mike McDonald joined The Dan Patrick Show
last week and talked about wanting good work life balance
for his team, Plus he shared some family news.
Speaker 6 (12:39):
Are you a grinder that you're going to be there
all day all night?
Speaker 7 (12:42):
No?
Speaker 5 (12:42):
I can't.
Speaker 8 (12:43):
Quality of life, man, I just like I can't I
tell the team like if I'm making decisions after nine pm,
like we're in trouble, you know. So and we get
to work at in in the morning with our crew
and then we and then we put in a great
day's work and then we go home.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
You know.
Speaker 8 (12:57):
Now, Like there's a process you have to abuie by
that we have to do. But to spend all the
time like with our family, like the off season.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
Now, Jacks, he's a.
Speaker 8 (13:04):
Year and a half, so you know he's got a
personality and attitude and you know, he's got some interest
and we're trying to teach me how to talk, and
it's just it's it's so much fun right now.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
It's just it's really awesome.
Speaker 6 (13:15):
We'll go back to quality of life. And Tony Dungee
said that, Chuck Noles said, go home to your families. Yeah,
that was important.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
We've got another on the way, so it's, oh, be fun.
Speaker 6 (13:24):
Do you know what, You're having a little baby girl
kind of December, Samantha after Sam Darnold.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
Here we go, Samantha, Sam Donald, what are you slipping there?
He slipped the data in there, Jackson.
Speaker 9 (13:34):
December, gentlemen, he is scheduled for another child in December.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
How about if she goes into labor on Christmas Day?
Good for Mike Dick, good for me. La Rams coming
to town that night at five point fifteen, and we
got Aiden Dirday as the head coach of the Seahawks
in the ring. Good for Mike McDonald, Good for Mike McDonald,
absolutely good for Mike. You have a problem with that, Dick,
You sound like I should have a problem with Well,
you've had a problem with that in the past, boy, Jackson.
(14:03):
All I've said is I think I think millionaire coaches
and players should time out their pregnancies around their football season.
That's all I've said in the past, and I stick
to it because that's what I did.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
That's what I applied to Mike McDonald. Then you said
players and coaches and coaches. So I mean, are you
so characterized? Are you disappointed or what?
Speaker 6 (14:24):
Like?
Speaker 2 (14:24):
No, I mean he's gonna have a kid. I'm just
hoping that. I'm hoping that it doesn't land on game day.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
So do you hold him at all? I will say culpable?
What would be the term?
Speaker 4 (14:37):
Are are.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
Disavowed his responsibilities?
Speaker 2 (14:43):
I've said, I've I've told you what Now, when I
made my choices, uh, things like paternity leave weren't in existence,
kind of like when you made your choices to have kids, Hugh,
things like paternity leave weren't in in Uh not not
only not in vogue, they weren't even any existence when
you had your children. So we come from a different era, man,
(15:04):
we come from a certainly different era. And I wish
him the best, and I hope the child Samantha is
healthy and not born on at two o'clock on Christmas Day.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
So if he does, but if he does miss game time,
how are you going to feel?
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Hypothetically, I think a lot of Seahawks fans will be
really nervous.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
That's not what I asked. I'll be nervous.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
I'll be nervous because I don't think the Seahawks will
have as good a chance to win if Mike McDonald's
on the sidelines. Is that a Is that an inappropriate
or off the wall take?
Speaker 3 (15:34):
Well, that's but that's totally separate from whether or not
you're disappointed as a Seahawks fan to any degree that,
I will be disappointed if Mike life, you'll be Will
you be disappointing him that he didn't time things better?
Speaker 2 (15:48):
I will be disappointed as a Seahawk fan. He's not there.
And all I can tell you is what I did
as a father. I time my children around my storm
season and did not even try to have kids and
are when I knew nine months later i'd be gone
on for a week on on storm trips. That's all
I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
Mike McDonald should have done that.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
No, that's he's up up to him. Up to him.
I can only speak from my experience. That's what I did.
Now again, as.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
You think appletes should do, should try and and time.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
Yes, according I think they should if it's possible.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
McDonald should have as well.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
If it's possible. I've been, I've been. You know, I
know there are extenuating circumstances. Jackson has said, you know what,
if you have trouble having kids. I'm not talking about that.
I'm not talking about that.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
I mean this.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
Jackson has turned this into a segment in its own.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
I think it's entertaining.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
I think you bring it up every time this comes up.
Speaker 9 (16:41):
I think it's I think it's an entertainment.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Again, I have to repeat what my take is it
comes up.
Speaker 9 (16:49):
Holden, let me jump in Dick's clearly, let's move on,
and then let's move on because I wanted this to
be an enterta.
Speaker 5 (16:57):
We're getting down.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
Okay, give me one last question. Okay, all right, last
point for him to respond to. By what you said,
we will never know if an athlete or coach he
was just careless about the calendar, or whether he in
fact really is having the trouble that you allude to
and that we all know can happen to any couple.
(17:18):
So knowing that we'll never know, how can we ever
be critical of an athlete or a coach because he
may be, in fact in the pool of people that
tried as diligently as possible to avoid his playing season,
but it just didn't work out. Biology didn't have the
same plan, and so he had to resort to other means,
(17:38):
which is to be more aggressive on the count.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
I would say, your numbers guy, I would think you
would assume that more people would be in the first
boat than the second boat, right, A higher percentage of
people would be in the first boat that just missed
the calendar, versus in the second boat that really had trouble.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
Well, I don't think you have to be a numbers
guy to understand probability. I think you have I'd have
to defer to, you know, experts in the field, you
know of you know, I would I would say, people
in the medical field and the people you know, nurses
and the people that know these things. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
I was Yeah, again, at times times are a change
in And I don't think what I did sixteen years
ago was even remotely strange back then, but it would
be remotely strange now. What I mean your timing your
kids out based upon your job. Yeah, you used to
do that and ask people that are in their sixties, seventies,
(18:36):
and eighties if they used to do that. My parents
did it. Both of my parents did that.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
Yeah, and maybe they're doing it. But here's the thing.
Maybe maybe athletes and coaches are doing it with the
exact same regularity as they used to. But we just
don't know when people are when when people are having
babies in the middle of their season, what led up
to that? Were they trying it? Were they just completely
oblivious to it? Or were they dilling?
Speaker 2 (19:01):
You don't know, guys, gotta take a Breakley don't know
a right deer fault, Jackson, your fault.
Speaker 9 (19:05):
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Speaker 2 (19:36):
Ah Yes it is John Wilner time. A much deserved
week off for John Wilner, and he's still not officially
back in his Wilner Hotline capacity, but he has agreed
to come on with us because he is going to
have a very, very very busy next six seven months
with college football followed by college basketball all the way
(19:58):
through April. John, Thanks for taking your day off to
join us. Man, How are you.
Speaker 5 (20:03):
I'm good. Thanks, Hey, you guys, We're doing great.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
We're doing great. Let's start with this Sharon Moore situation.
Some new information there. So not only did Michigan know
about this situation with Sharon more and a stafford, it
sounds like they knew a long time ago that could
potentially be a red flag to the point where Ward
Manual said, yeah, you can't travel with this lady.
Speaker 10 (20:26):
Well yeah, and then it continued obviously till the events
of December. You know, this is one of many reasons
why Ward Manual's job is in jeopardy.
Speaker 5 (20:39):
Michigan's regents are meeting later this.
Speaker 10 (20:41):
Week and a lot of people think he's gonna They're
gonna fire the ad. I mean, you think about how
many scandals Michigan has had in the last four.
Speaker 7 (20:49):
Or five years. It's it is really something.
Speaker 10 (20:52):
They are a content generating machine, and most of it
is bad content for the university.
Speaker 5 (20:58):
This is just the latest. I don't think anybody should
be surprised.
Speaker 10 (21:02):
You know, it was a poorly kept secret, the relationship
between Sean Moore and the assistant, the administrative assistant.
Speaker 5 (21:10):
So you know, it's just more Michigan is really what
it is.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
And you know, the interesting thing, at least for me
in looking at the University of Michigan John is if
we were to take an analysis and we say we're
gonna we're going to say fifty percent just academic reputation
and then fifty percent athletics. You say, well, what sports then,
and then we're going to just be a traditional heavy
(21:34):
of the of the of the uh, the sporting part.
We're going to have two thirds men's football obviously, and
then one third men's basketball. Just make it simple. By that,
By that calculus, I would argue the University of Michigan
is the number one school in the United States. I
think it's fair. Uh in certainly public school. If it's
(21:58):
not number one, tell me who is. And and like,
this is an incredibly proud institution and they have just
been painted and with scandal and one staying after another,
And I just wonder, is there a feeling at Michigan that, hey,
we are that institution and this is so beneath our standards.
Speaker 10 (22:21):
Well, I think a lot of people feel like it's
beneath Michigan's standards, but yet it still keeps happening. You know,
I would agree, you know, if you're using academics as
a big piece of that, right, public schools, the only
ones that would compare to Michigan really are are cal UCLA,
probably Virginia North Carolina, something like that. It's a small,
(22:43):
small group that plays football.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
But we're exactly.
Speaker 5 (22:49):
No, no, I agree.
Speaker 10 (22:50):
That's why Michigan probably is is number one. And you know,
part of the problem is, you know, and we've talked
about this with regard to Washing and other schools in
the former PAC twelve, a lot of it is a
leadership that starts at the top. Michigan is on its
fourth president in five I think it's five years, and
(23:13):
when you have that kind of turnover at the top,
instability at the top, it's a lot harder to you know,
kind of keep things in line, right, I mean, a
lot of places Whard Manuel would have been fired a
couple of years ago. But they are the partly because
they have had so much instability with the president, he's
(23:34):
remained on the job, and obviously he has not done
a very good job in almost every respect.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
John, moving on to this five for five that we
touched on when we had you on last it had
just broken this five years to play five and in
Division one. Do you think this is gonna be just
the D one thing or do you think it'll trickle
down to D two, D three and IIA And what
type of impact will it have on rosters if it
(24:02):
does or if it doesn't, Rather, because you could potentially
have D two players playing four years their eligibility is over,
but hey, if they will go to D one their
fifth year, then they have more eligibility. Right, So how
do you think it will impact maybe even that the
age of rosters, of the experience level of rosters.
Speaker 10 (24:21):
Well, I'm not even sure it's going to hold up
in court, right, There's already been multiple issues. I mean,
an Ohio judge issued a temporary injunction last week twenty
four basketball.
Speaker 7 (24:32):
Players can play even though they are.
Speaker 10 (24:36):
Were ruled you know, they were not grandfathered in by
the NCAA, So I think we got a long way
to go before this five for five is the you know,
upheld in court enough to be the law of the land.
Speaker 5 (24:49):
But a lot of.
Speaker 10 (24:49):
These issues are based on the economics, and the economics
are different at division two, Division three, NAIA, the nil
is different, the rep share, all those things, and they
are so important into how everything is structured legislatively and
legally that I could see there being two different tiers
(25:13):
of eligibility five to play five at the top level
and then the traditional five to play four, you know,
divisions two and three.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
John Wilner with us and John, let's stay with economics.
Earlier this week, it was reported that the University of
Washington Upper Campus approved the University of Washington's Athletic Department
of operating in the red for another year two in
the sixteen seventeen million. Is this just kind of a
bridge to get to twenty thirty where you get the
(25:45):
full conference share or where are you in terms of
how you've assessed assessed the University Washington, maybe in comparison
to Oregon, who also has some of the same obviously
the same consideration from the conference. But what's a Husky
fan to make of all this?
Speaker 10 (26:04):
Well, I mean, this is the challenge that Washington is
going to face in the Big Ten. And this is
part of the reason why I have taken a somewhat
skeptical view of Washington's position in the Big Ten, because
things are tight money wise because one of the half
share from the Big Ten. But also there's no fill
(26:25):
night right, and so though Huskies, it's gonna be a
real challenge for them to get that budget balanced and
to spend the money that is needed to compete with
Ohio State, Oregon, Michigan on a regular basis. It's a tough,
tough gig, and this is what Washington signed up for.
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There's a lot of benefits to being in the Big Ten,
but this financial challenge is not going away, and I
would argue that there's a good chance they will never
be a full share member because by the time this
contract runs out in twenty thirty, the Big Ten will
probably go to an unequal revenue distribution math method in
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which performance TV ratings, tradition all are thrown into this
calculation that determines how much money you get from the conference.
And I would guess Washington's not going to get, you know,
a top tier amount. They're going to be more in
the middle, behind the Ohio States and Michigan's once that
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new era of revenue distribution begins.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
Well, I think even most ardent Husky fan would say
they should be in the tier behind Ohio State and Michigan.
I think the question is what does that second tier
look like? Because are you talking about a second tier
with with seven teams you know, Oregon in USC and
Washington and Penn State and or are you talking about,
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you know, a top tier of Ohio State and Michigan,
a second tier that doesn't include Washington, that has two
or three teams, and then a third two that includes Washington.
Because I think that's what Washington fans would really bristle at,
because you know, if you mentioned legacy in there, certainly
the Huskies have more legacy than Oregon does. They just
don't have the Phil Knight.
Speaker 10 (28:13):
Right well, and the tiers that you just outlined mirror
the revenue shares that were gonna be distributed if they
had gone to that private equity deal in the fall.
Washington was going to be on the third tier below
Oregon and USC. And Washington was willing to play ball
(28:35):
with that idea, So we'll see. I think a lot
of the way they figure out the tiers will be
based on performance in the next four or five years,
which is going to be tough for the Huskies because
of the current financial situation. So it's almost like a
self fulfilling prophecy in a way.
Speaker 5 (28:54):
They agreed to sign up to play half share. The
half share makes it harder to win.
Speaker 10 (28:59):
If you're winning as much, then you're not going to
be as well positioned when they decide how the tiers
are going to be determined in the twenty thirties.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
John, As you're talking about that the idea that Washington
would never get the full share and the super Conference,
and there's a lot of meat on that bone, but
I feel like I just want to yank the emergency
break on the discussion. And in part because there's a
book entitled America's Game, The Epic Story of How Pro
(29:31):
Football Captured a Nation by Michael McCambridge. The paperback version
is six hundred and eight pages. I read that book.
It's the entire history of the NFL and had it
goes to great detail to talk about the merits the
owners of the Giants, who at every significant turn always
felt that they had to share equally with the Green
(29:54):
Bay Packerds and the Pittsburgh Steelers and everybody else in
the league for the sake of the league. Because of
the product is the entertainment value of two competitively matched teams.
That's the NFL model, the most successful sports league in
the world. And yet I look at I turned my
head to college football, and I see all these people
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doing everything the opposite of the Marris And they're gonna
have these super conferences. Half the league is gonna be losers,
and they're not used to being losing. Like, what about
this idea that it just seems like they're just gonna
follow each other off a cliff in all of this, Well.
Speaker 7 (30:34):
Yeah, that's college sports right there, Hugh.
Speaker 5 (30:36):
In a nutshell. It's territorial.
Speaker 10 (30:38):
It is, you know, constant competition between the conferences and
between the schools. NFL, you know, is centralized. The league
office negotiates the TV deals, League office does the scheduling everything,
and the owners have agreed to do it.
Speaker 5 (30:55):
That's not college sports.
Speaker 10 (30:57):
Now, could college sports get there with some kind of
super league potentially.
Speaker 5 (31:02):
But that Super League, you know, is going to have
a lot.
Speaker 10 (31:05):
Of problems of its own in terms of how it
gets formed and legal challenges and all that.
Speaker 5 (31:11):
But yeah, the NFL.
Speaker 10 (31:12):
Has has it figured it out. They they have everything centralized.
College football is the is the opposite.
Speaker 5 (31:19):
It is.
Speaker 10 (31:20):
It's warfare between the conferences, and I don't know that
anything is gonna is gonna stop that unless.
Speaker 5 (31:27):
They get together with the super League.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
Are we going to get to a point where we
can just have a whale that graduates from some FCS
school and says, you know what I'm putting, I'm gonna
be the Phil Knight of Eastern Washington University where and
it almost like the Wrexham model if you're familiar with
(31:52):
Welcome to Rexham and with Ryan Reynolds buying that fourth
division soccer team and and will will that be possible?
Doll on the road where a billionaire that graduates from
Eastern Washington University and is a huge Eagles football fan
just decides, you know what, I'm gonna make Eastern Washington
a freaking power. I'm gonna build a stadium, I'm gonna
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pay my players, I'm gonna graduate from this crappy league
that We're in in the Big Sky, and I'm gonna
get up to the pick PAC twelve, and then I'm
gonna graduate from the PAC twelve, and I'm gonna get
up to the Big twelve, and I'm gonna graduate from
the Big twelve and I'm gonna get up to the
Super League. Do you see something like that potentially being
able to happen in the future.
Speaker 5 (32:35):
Could it happen? Yes, I don't know how likely it is.
Speaker 10 (32:39):
Uh but how is that that much different than Texas Tech?
Speaker 7 (32:44):
Right?
Speaker 2 (32:45):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (32:46):
Texas Tech?
Speaker 10 (32:47):
You know, if you before the Cody Campbell era, Texas
Tech is a third tier college football program in the
in the FBS, right, I mean Oregon in nineteen seventy
eight wasn't very good. Weren't they play in the Oregon
State to a zero zero tie in the Toilet Bowl
or something like that?
Speaker 2 (33:03):
Right?
Speaker 10 (33:04):
So yeah, I figured, I given, I give, I give
your audience a little meat there.
Speaker 5 (33:09):
Uh so.
Speaker 10 (33:11):
But but yes, it physically or theoretically it is possible.
Speaker 7 (33:15):
For sure, whether it would happen, I don't know.
Speaker 5 (33:19):
You still have to have, uh, you know.
Speaker 10 (33:22):
An agreement on how the schools can move up.
Speaker 5 (33:26):
Right, you have to have the at the highest level.
Speaker 10 (33:30):
I mean Greg Sankee, the SEC Commissioner, Tony Pettini, the
Big Ten commission. They already are upset at how many
schools are in the FBS. They want to limit the
access to the top tier. Uh so that that would
be a problem, but in theory, uh yeah, the more money.
If somebody's got a lot of money, they can they
can basically build from scratching and develop a powerhouse.
Speaker 3 (33:52):
Well, you know, you mentioned there's warfare between the conferences,
and John Wilner with his uh you know, it's not
just conference the conference, it's the you know, intra interconference warfare, right,
and and I just feel like we're gonna have uh,
these conferences comprised of teams and fan bases that are
(34:15):
used to winning for decades up on decades, right, because
every time Alabama wins a football game, Vanderbilt loses a
football game, you know, historically obviously, and and and yet
it just seems like the model doesn't make sense because
over a period any period of time, you're gonna have
half the conference losers.
Speaker 10 (34:37):
They're not used to losing like what happens then, right, Right,
that's the that's the argument against the Super League the
Texas is not gonna want to sign up for five
and seven on a regular basis, or someone like Georgia,
someone like that. And I would counter that by saying
the money is gonna would be so big that they
would sign up for it, because if you look at
(34:58):
the NFL, you know, if you if you imagine a
thirty two team college football super league that say is
worth half of what the NFL is worth in media dollars,
then the schools in that super league are still getting
two or three times the revenue that they'd get right now,
(35:19):
right we're talking about TV deals that instead of being
sixty or seventy million a year for schools in the
SEC and Big Ten, all of a sudden are worth
one hundred and fifty or two hundred million dollars. And
I just think they're not going to turn down that
money eventually, and you know they'll they'll roll the dice
on the winning and losing aspect because they're not going
(35:39):
to be able to turn down the money.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
Great stuff, John, appreciate it as always. Man, We'll talk
to you next week. Thanks a lot, guys, you bet
Jean John Wilner joining us as he does each and
every week. We gave him a week off for a
little vacation, but he's going to be back hard core
doing all of his Big ten previews and Pack twelve
previews and all that great stuff. Is a football season?
What six weeks away?
Speaker 6 (36:00):
Man?
Speaker 2 (36:00):
We had college football in six weeks. I actually had
it in my notes to talk to you about this
at some point this week, and I think this would
be a great time to do it, right if we
just had John Wilner, this whole promotion relegation, the Wrexham
model that I brought up. Can a whale just come
in and just be able to essentially buy a college
football team and turn it into a powerhouse just because
(36:20):
you'd be able to invest the money. We'll do that
coming up next. We do have news from Vegas right
that we're going to seven o'clock Is that correct with
Adam Silver? So won't be during the show, but we'll
certainly have a lot of reaction to it tomorrow. Whatever
Adam Silver says in Vegas about potential NBA expansion. We'll
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
Welcome back. We're here at all six Saftian Dick without
the soft one here is here. Jackson is here. World
Championship soccer recap show that was called six o'clock, got it?
Got the name right?
Speaker 3 (00:32):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Coming up at six o'clock. Well, we transition from soccer
into football, American football, and ESPN has as they do
each year, they interview NFL execs, coaches, and scouts and
they have all those people rank the top ten at
(00:55):
each position in the NFL. And I think that's a
pretty significant group to be polling. I think that's an
accurate group to be polling, certainly more than fans and
probably even more than players as well, certainly more than
the media. So I take this, you know, as a
fairly substantial poll that ESPN does. And it's interesting that
(01:19):
just a couple of days ago, the quarterback rankings came
out and we'll give you the list of quarterbacks, but
we'll let Colin Coward tell you which quarterback was not
included in the top ten survey from ESPN.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
They went to NFL coaches, executives, general managers, and scouts
and they asked them, who are the ten best quarterbacks
in the league. It's a lot of predictable people. Josh
Allen above Mahomes. We've been on that for several years now.
Burrow doesn't make the playoffs anymore. He's at four. Dak
Prescott has one playoff whenever at six oh. I like
(01:56):
to see Jared Goff and Caleb Williams in there, But
where's Sam Donald? And that's what's really interesting. Even the
gms in this league don't know what the hell to
do with Sam Darnold. Back to back fourteen win seasons,
totally different players, offensive lineman, coordinators, coaches, back to back
fourteen wins in a Super Bowl since twenty twenty two.
(02:18):
He has the highest win percentage of any quarterback.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
In the league. And Hugh we have the quarterback win
controversy again. Some people think it's incredibly important, some people
think it's not very important. At all, we've got the
guys at the top, which I don't think even the
most ardent Sam Donald apologists would say that they would
(02:41):
rather take him over Josh Allen, or him over Patrick Mahomes,
or even him over Matthew Stafford or probably Joe Burrow.
I think when you get down to the bottom part
of this list, there are certainly guys that you can
make an argument for Sam Darnald ahead of He brought
up a couple of them. He brought up Dak Prescott,
he brought up Jared Goff, he brought up I'm gonna
(03:05):
bring up Lamar Jackson because I don't think Lamar Jackson
is now what Lamar Jackson used to be. Drake May
is on this list ahead of Sam Darnold. My god,
that guy that I watched in person in the Super Bowl,
that Drake May is ahead of Sam Donald. So you know,
(03:26):
we did this ranking. I think we remember it was
with or without you. I think we included you in
it a couple of months ago, and we did, and
we had Sam Wright around ten, and to the credit
of the Scouts, they had him as the first honorable mention.
So I don't necessarily think it's egregious that Sam Donald
is ranked eleven, but it got the ire of Colin Coward.
(03:48):
What say you?
Speaker 3 (03:49):
Well, first of all, I think that there may be
some people that are sitting there going, dude, give us
the freaking list, right, so want to whistle through that,
you know, through ten?
Speaker 2 (04:00):
So weekend I think I ran, I'll go one through time.
I think I manage every year. Yeah, I'll do it.
I'll do it in order. I mean, the point is,
all these guys were ranked ahead of Sam darnol. I
think I mentioned almost all of them, if not all
of them. Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes, Matthew Stafford was third,
Joe Burrow Forth, Lamar Jackson five, even after the year
he had last year, Dak Justin, Herbert Drake May, Jared Goff,
(04:24):
and Caleb Williams at ten.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
Yeah, so I think, first of all, I always am
curious on the methodology. How much is this just an
assessment of twenty twenty five?
Speaker 2 (04:35):
It is an assessment right now they right now who
are the best right now? Not a projection and not
a career achievement award? Who are the best quarterbacks right now?
Speaker 3 (04:44):
And the contract has nothing to do direct correct okay,
because that's all those are some relevance. Absolutely, I think
I don't think I would have ever said I think
he's tenth. I think that I said that tenth is
about as low as he should be. I think on
that list that probably six is as high as you
(05:06):
can put him. Now we could have we could burn
a whole hour debating Lamar Jackson versus Sam Donald. Most
people are going to land on Lamar Jackson. But let's
just start with six. Dak Prescott, Yes, you could justin
Herbert more talented, but Drake May it really has only
done it for one year, but he was second in
(05:29):
the MVP voting, and there was elements of his game
in terms of pushing the ball down the field, in
how he ran. They could justify that. But you could
also point to things that Sam Donald did that would
justify Donald over Drake May.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
I could point to who Sam Donald played against versus
who Drake May played against. That's the first thing I
can cite.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
Indeed, like you're not gonna get me trying to detract
from Sam Donald. Here goff at nine. You know, I
think that's a little bit of a slip. His highest
ranking was fifth and last year was night, so he
stays at ninth and uh, and then Caleb Williams is
kind of more, you know, the talented, the freak show.
(06:09):
But you know, has he shown that he can win?
So I think there's there's a lot of elements in here.
I would just say that what's hurting Sam Darnold in
this discussion is the Sea Ouk defense number one, and
you know anybody could have done that right, and then
his turnovers and you know, I'm going to repeat it
(06:31):
again and apologies to those who have heard me say this,
but if you run the last five years in the
NFL and you do five one year studies, which is
more important because that's each year. It's not just amassing
well because there'd be a lot of quarterbacks who would
fall out of certain statistics because they've only played a
(06:51):
year or two, like Drake May. So we do five
one year studies and then we just correlate winning to turnovers,
and the correlation is point zero one zero ten. That's
like and think of that as a batting average is
as a guy batting ten ten. And then the correlation
(07:13):
the yards per drop back. Now we all understand yards
per attempt. That's very simple right, And then there's net
yards per attempt that creeped in years ago, which is
is this you subtract the sacks from the passing yardage, obviously,
divide with the attempts, and there's your net yards per attempt,
(07:34):
and that has a higher correlation. Well, now yards per
dropback goes one step further. A drop back is is
considered where the official stat keeper says, well, that's an
attempted pass and you know, a called pass, and if
it's a sack or if it's a scramble, Lamar Jackson,
(07:57):
he scrambles for you know, eleven yards on third and nine,
he gets a yard per dropback.
Speaker 5 (08:03):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
And then of course it's yards per attempt as well
embedded in there. So so it sounds like it'd be
a pretty good statistic, and in fact it is. It
has an over seven hundred seven oh two correlation to winning,
which which turnovers have a ten And by the way,
for those that are are geeky like me, it's a
(08:23):
positive correlation even though ten is infinite testimal, just like
a baseball batting average of the ten. But it has
a positive correlation for those somebody knew noticed that, yes,
it wasn't negative ten, meaning as you would think that
as as turnovers go up, wins go down, that would be.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
A negative correlation. Right, you think it's because of.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
A very infinite testimal positive correlation.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
It's nothing, right, thing and and but and maybe slightly
positive because the more aggressive quarterbacks win more bingo.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
Well, so you say, well, explain that. Wait a minute,
I've been told I've been watching football in my whole life.
I know interceptions are bad, I know turnovers about how
could that possibly be? Well, first of all, this is
not one year, a one year, one month, or one
season a knockoff. This is the five most recent NFL seasons.
And the hypothesis would be that quarterbacks who are aggressive
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and who are going big game hunting and are making
the plays on third down and pushing the ball and
making those game winning plays over the course of sixty
minutes and in crunch time, that that mentality and that
level performance in those aggressive areas that is going to
be correlated with some turnovers. But the turnovers that hurt
(09:42):
you are offset by all the big plays that you manufacture.
And maybe how you influence the defense. How are the
coverages they play on first and ten and then all
of a sudden, your running game is better because the
defense knows they're going against an aggressive quarterback. Like somebody's
gonna have to come up with an answer like that.
That number sitting on the spreadsheet has to have an answer.
(10:05):
Turnovers are point zero one zero correlation yards per dropback
or over seven hundred. Sam Donald was near the bottom
or number one in turnovers at a stat that that
has no statistical relevance. He was also number one in
yards per dropback. You go from a ten bat, let's
(10:27):
say you're pinch hitting. Dan Wilson says, do I want
to put in a pinch hitter that's hitting ten or
seven oh two.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Yeah, the first one is called Rob Refsnyder.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
Yes, I put that on the tee for you, as
I expected that down the fairway. But at any event,
this is kind of devolved and this isn't really where
you wanted the segment to go. I would say this.
I think that it doesn't bother me as much because
the dudes just wearing hardware, and I know Sam Donald
isn't bad, isn't bothered by it.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
That's right, that's right.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
By the way, Colin Coward, you know he's from Aberdeen, Washington,
huge Husky fan. I've known him for years. We text,
we talk, and we've talked about Sam Darnald and and
uh and and he's been a you know, just as
big as a fan of his as me.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
He's been a fan of his since is USC days,
hardcore Sam Donald fan since well it's a.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
USC and and for good reason, right, Yeah, I mean
he's he's a not a good dude, a great dude
by uh, you know, I could go on about the
people I've talked to it at SC and and and
through the league, the impression he's made and now he's
you know, all he does is win.
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Let's do a little fun with audio. Hey, Hugh, did
you hear that?
Speaker 3 (12:27):
What's that?
Speaker 5 (12:27):
Dick?
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Seahawks head coach Mike McDonald joined The Dan Patrick Show
last week and talked about wanting good work life balance
for his team, Plus he shared some family news.
Speaker 6 (12:39):
Are you a grinder that you're going to be there
all day all night?
Speaker 7 (12:42):
No?
Speaker 5 (12:42):
I can't.
Speaker 8 (12:43):
Quality of life, man, I just like I can't I
tell the team like if I'm making decisions after nine pm,
like we're in trouble, you know. So and we get
to work at in in the morning with our crew
and then we and then we put in a great
day's work and then we go home.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
You know.
Speaker 8 (12:57):
Now, Like there's a process you have to abuie by
that we have to do. But to spend all the
time like with our family, like the off season.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
Now, Jacks, he's a.
Speaker 8 (13:04):
Year and a half, so you know he's got a
personality and attitude and you know, he's got some interest
and we're trying to teach me how to talk, and
it's just it's it's so much fun right now.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
It's just it's really awesome.
Speaker 6 (13:15):
We'll go back to quality of life. And Tony Dungee
said that, Chuck Noles said, go home to your families. Yeah,
that was important.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
We've got another on the way, so it's, oh, be fun.
Speaker 6 (13:24):
Do you know what, You're having a little baby girl
kind of December, Samantha after Sam Darnold.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
Here we go, Samantha, Sam Donald, what are you slipping there?
He slipped the data in there, Jackson.
Speaker 9 (13:34):
December, gentlemen, he is scheduled for another child in December.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
How about if she goes into labor on Christmas Day?
Good for Mike Dick, good for me. La Rams coming
to town that night at five point fifteen, and we
got Aiden Dirday as the head coach of the Seahawks
in the ring. Good for Mike McDonald, Good for Mike McDonald,
absolutely good for Mike. You have a problem with that, Dick,
You sound like I should have a problem with Well,
you've had a problem with that in the past, boy, Jackson.
(14:03):
All I've said is I think I think millionaire coaches
and players should time out their pregnancies around their football season.
That's all I've said in the past, and I stick
to it because that's what I did.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
That's what I applied to Mike McDonald. Then you said
players and coaches and coaches. So I mean, are you
so characterized? Are you disappointed or what?
Speaker 6 (14:24):
Like?
Speaker 2 (14:24):
No, I mean he's gonna have a kid. I'm just
hoping that. I'm hoping that it doesn't land on game day.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
So do you hold him at all? I will say culpable?
What would be the term?
Speaker 4 (14:37):
Are are.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
Disavowed his responsibilities?
Speaker 2 (14:43):
I've said, I've I've told you what Now, when I
made my choices, uh, things like paternity leave weren't in existence,
kind of like when you made your choices to have kids, Hugh,
things like paternity leave weren't in in Uh not not
only not in vogue, they weren't even any existence when
you had your children. So we come from a different era, man,
(15:04):
we come from a certainly different era. And I wish
him the best, and I hope the child Samantha is
healthy and not born on at two o'clock on Christmas Day.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
So if he does, but if he does miss game time,
how are you going to feel?
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Hypothetically, I think a lot of Seahawks fans will be
really nervous.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
That's not what I asked. I'll be nervous.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
I'll be nervous because I don't think the Seahawks will
have as good a chance to win if Mike McDonald's
on the sidelines. Is that a Is that an inappropriate
or off the wall take?
Speaker 3 (15:34):
Well, that's but that's totally separate from whether or not
you're disappointed as a Seahawks fan to any degree that,
I will be disappointed if Mike life, you'll be Will
you be disappointing him that he didn't time things better?
Speaker 2 (15:48):
I will be disappointed as a Seahawk fan. He's not there.
And all I can tell you is what I did
as a father. I time my children around my storm
season and did not even try to have kids and
are when I knew nine months later i'd be gone
on for a week on on storm trips. That's all
I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
Mike McDonald should have done that.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
No, that's he's up up to him. Up to him.
I can only speak from my experience. That's what I did.
Now again, as.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
You think appletes should do, should try and and time.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
Yes, according I think they should if it's possible.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
McDonald should have as well.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
If it's possible. I've been, I've been. You know, I
know there are extenuating circumstances. Jackson has said, you know what,
if you have trouble having kids. I'm not talking about that.
I'm not talking about that.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
I mean this.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
Jackson has turned this into a segment in its own.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
I think it's entertaining.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
I think you bring it up every time this comes up.
Speaker 9 (16:41):
I think it's I think it's an entertainment.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Again, I have to repeat what my take is it
comes up.
Speaker 9 (16:49):
Holden, let me jump in Dick's clearly, let's move on,
and then let's move on because I wanted this to
be an enterta.
Speaker 5 (16:57):
We're getting down.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
Okay, give me one last question. Okay, all right, last
point for him to respond to. By what you said,
we will never know if an athlete or coach he
was just careless about the calendar, or whether he in
fact really is having the trouble that you allude to
and that we all know can happen to any couple.
(17:18):
So knowing that we'll never know, how can we ever
be critical of an athlete or a coach because he
may be, in fact in the pool of people that
tried as diligently as possible to avoid his playing season,
but it just didn't work out. Biology didn't have the
same plan, and so he had to resort to other means,
(17:38):
which is to be more aggressive on the count.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
I would say, your numbers guy, I would think you
would assume that more people would be in the first
boat than the second boat, right, A higher percentage of
people would be in the first boat that just missed
the calendar, versus in the second boat that really had trouble.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
Well, I don't think you have to be a numbers
guy to understand probability. I think you have I'd have
to defer to, you know, experts in the field, you
know of you know, I would I would say, people
in the medical field and the people you know, nurses
and the people that know these things. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
I was Yeah, again, at times times are a change
in And I don't think what I did sixteen years
ago was even remotely strange back then, but it would
be remotely strange now. What I mean your timing your
kids out based upon your job. Yeah, you used to
do that and ask people that are in their sixties, seventies,
(18:36):
and eighties if they used to do that. My parents
did it. Both of my parents did that.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
Yeah, and maybe they're doing it. But here's the thing.
Maybe maybe athletes and coaches are doing it with the
exact same regularity as they used to. But we just
don't know when people are when when people are having
babies in the middle of their season, what led up
to that? Were they trying it? Were they just completely
oblivious to it? Or were they dilling?
Speaker 2 (19:01):
You don't know, guys, gotta take a Breakley don't know
a right deer fault, Jackson, your fault.
Speaker 9 (19:05):
I thought this could be entertaining it. He went down
the other way three fifty.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
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Speaker 2 (19:36):
Ah Yes it is John Wilner time. A much deserved
week off for John Wilner, and he's still not officially
back in his Wilner Hotline capacity, but he has agreed
to come on with us because he is going to
have a very, very very busy next six seven months
with college football followed by college basketball all the way
(19:58):
through April. John, Thanks for taking your day off to
join us. Man, How are you.
Speaker 5 (20:03):
I'm good. Thanks, Hey, you guys, We're doing great.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
We're doing great. Let's start with this Sharon Moore situation.
Some new information there. So not only did Michigan know
about this situation with Sharon more and a stafford, it
sounds like they knew a long time ago that could
potentially be a red flag to the point where Ward
Manual said, yeah, you can't travel with this lady.
Speaker 10 (20:26):
Well yeah, and then it continued obviously till the events
of December. You know, this is one of many reasons
why Ward Manual's job is in jeopardy.
Speaker 5 (20:39):
Michigan's regents are meeting later this.
Speaker 10 (20:41):
Week and a lot of people think he's gonna They're
gonna fire the ad. I mean, you think about how
many scandals Michigan has had in the last four.
Speaker 7 (20:49):
Or five years. It's it is really something.
Speaker 10 (20:52):
They are a content generating machine, and most of it
is bad content for the university.
Speaker 5 (20:58):
This is just the latest. I don't think anybody should
be surprised.
Speaker 10 (21:02):
You know, it was a poorly kept secret, the relationship
between Sean Moore and the assistant, the administrative assistant.
Speaker 5 (21:10):
So you know, it's just more Michigan is really what
it is.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
And you know, the interesting thing, at least for me
in looking at the University of Michigan John is if
we were to take an analysis and we say we're
gonna we're going to say fifty percent just academic reputation
and then fifty percent athletics. You say, well, what sports then,
and then we're going to just be a traditional heavy
(21:34):
of the of the of the uh, the sporting part.
We're going to have two thirds men's football obviously, and
then one third men's basketball. Just make it simple. By that,
By that calculus, I would argue the University of Michigan
is the number one school in the United States. I
think it's fair. Uh in certainly public school. If it's
(21:58):
not number one, tell me who is. And and like,
this is an incredibly proud institution and they have just
been painted and with scandal and one staying after another,
And I just wonder, is there a feeling at Michigan that, hey,
we are that institution and this is so beneath our standards.
Speaker 10 (22:21):
Well, I think a lot of people feel like it's
beneath Michigan's standards, but yet it still keeps happening. You know,
I would agree, you know, if you're using academics as
a big piece of that, right, public schools, the only
ones that would compare to Michigan really are are cal UCLA,
probably Virginia North Carolina, something like that. It's a small,
(22:43):
small group that plays football.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
But we're exactly.
Speaker 5 (22:49):
No, no, I agree.
Speaker 10 (22:50):
That's why Michigan probably is is number one. And you know,
part of the problem is, you know, and we've talked
about this with regard to Washing and other schools in
the former PAC twelve, a lot of it is a
leadership that starts at the top. Michigan is on its
fourth president in five I think it's five years, and
(23:13):
when you have that kind of turnover at the top,
instability at the top, it's a lot harder to you know,
kind of keep things in line, right, I mean, a
lot of places Whard Manuel would have been fired a
couple of years ago. But they are the partly because
they have had so much instability with the president, he's
(23:34):
remained on the job, and obviously he has not done
a very good job in almost every respect.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
John, moving on to this five for five that we
touched on when we had you on last it had
just broken this five years to play five and in
Division one. Do you think this is gonna be just
the D one thing or do you think it'll trickle
down to D two, D three and IIA And what
type of impact will it have on rosters if it
(24:02):
does or if it doesn't, Rather, because you could potentially
have D two players playing four years their eligibility is over,
but hey, if they will go to D one their
fifth year, then they have more eligibility. Right, So how
do you think it will impact maybe even that the
age of rosters, of the experience level of rosters.
Speaker 10 (24:21):
Well, I'm not even sure it's going to hold up
in court, right, There's already been multiple issues. I mean,
an Ohio judge issued a temporary injunction last week twenty
four basketball.
Speaker 7 (24:32):
Players can play even though they are.
Speaker 10 (24:36):
Were ruled you know, they were not grandfathered in by
the NCAA, So I think we got a long way
to go before this five for five is the you know,
upheld in court enough to be the law of the land.
Speaker 5 (24:49):
But a lot of.
Speaker 10 (24:49):
These issues are based on the economics, and the economics
are different at division two, Division three, NAIA, the nil
is different, the rep share, all those things, and they
are so important into how everything is structured legislatively and
legally that I could see there being two different tiers
(25:13):
of eligibility five to play five at the top level
and then the traditional five to play four, you know,
divisions two and three.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
John Wilner with us and John, let's stay with economics.
Earlier this week, it was reported that the University of
Washington Upper Campus approved the University of Washington's Athletic Department
of operating in the red for another year two in
the sixteen seventeen million. Is this just kind of a
bridge to get to twenty thirty where you get the
(25:45):
full conference share or where are you in terms of
how you've assessed assessed the University Washington, maybe in comparison
to Oregon, who also has some of the same obviously
the same consideration from the conference. But what's a Husky
fan to make of all this?
Speaker 10 (26:04):
Well, I mean, this is the challenge that Washington is
going to face in the Big Ten. And this is
part of the reason why I have taken a somewhat
skeptical view of Washington's position in the Big Ten, because
things are tight money wise because one of the half
share from the Big Ten. But also there's no fill
(26:25):
night right, and so though Huskies, it's gonna be a
real challenge for them to get that budget balanced and
to spend the money that is needed to compete with
Ohio State, Oregon, Michigan on a regular basis. It's a tough,
tough gig, and this is what Washington signed up for.
(26:46):
There's a lot of benefits to being in the Big Ten,
but this financial challenge is not going away, and I
would argue that there's a good chance they will never
be a full share member because by the time this
contract runs out in twenty thirty, the Big Ten will
probably go to an unequal revenue distribution math method in
(27:07):
which performance TV ratings, tradition all are thrown into this
calculation that determines how much money you get from the conference.
And I would guess Washington's not going to get, you know,
a top tier amount. They're going to be more in
the middle, behind the Ohio States and Michigan's once that
(27:28):
new era of revenue distribution begins.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
Well, I think even most ardent Husky fan would say
they should be in the tier behind Ohio State and Michigan.
I think the question is what does that second tier
look like? Because are you talking about a second tier
with with seven teams you know, Oregon in USC and
Washington and Penn State and or are you talking about,
(27:51):
you know, a top tier of Ohio State and Michigan,
a second tier that doesn't include Washington, that has two
or three teams, and then a third two that includes Washington.
Because I think that's what Washington fans would really bristle at,
because you know, if you mentioned legacy in there, certainly
the Huskies have more legacy than Oregon does. They just
don't have the Phil Knight.
Speaker 10 (28:13):
Right well, and the tiers that you just outlined mirror
the revenue shares that were gonna be distributed if they
had gone to that private equity deal in the fall.
Washington was going to be on the third tier below
Oregon and USC. And Washington was willing to play ball
(28:35):
with that idea, So we'll see. I think a lot
of the way they figure out the tiers will be
based on performance in the next four or five years,
which is going to be tough for the Huskies because
of the current financial situation. So it's almost like a
self fulfilling prophecy in a way.
Speaker 5 (28:54):
They agreed to sign up to play half share. The
half share makes it harder to win.
Speaker 10 (28:59):
If you're winning as much, then you're not going to
be as well positioned when they decide how the tiers
are going to be determined in the twenty thirties.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
John, As you're talking about that the idea that Washington
would never get the full share and the super Conference,
and there's a lot of meat on that bone, but
I feel like I just want to yank the emergency
break on the discussion. And in part because there's a
book entitled America's Game, The Epic Story of How Pro
(29:31):
Football Captured a Nation by Michael McCambridge. The paperback version
is six hundred and eight pages. I read that book.
It's the entire history of the NFL and had it
goes to great detail to talk about the merits the
owners of the Giants, who at every significant turn always
felt that they had to share equally with the Green
(29:54):
Bay Packerds and the Pittsburgh Steelers and everybody else in
the league for the sake of the league. Because of
the product is the entertainment value of two competitively matched teams.
That's the NFL model, the most successful sports league in
the world. And yet I look at I turned my
head to college football, and I see all these people
(30:14):
doing everything the opposite of the Marris And they're gonna
have these super conferences. Half the league is gonna be losers,
and they're not used to being losing. Like, what about
this idea that it just seems like they're just gonna
follow each other off a cliff in all of this, Well.
Speaker 7 (30:34):
Yeah, that's college sports right there, Hugh.
Speaker 5 (30:36):
In a nutshell. It's territorial.
Speaker 10 (30:38):
It is, you know, constant competition between the conferences and
between the schools. NFL, you know, is centralized. The league
office negotiates the TV deals, League office does the scheduling everything,
and the owners have agreed to do it.
Speaker 5 (30:55):
That's not college sports.
Speaker 10 (30:57):
Now, could college sports get there with some kind of
super league potentially.
Speaker 5 (31:02):
But that Super League, you know, is going to have
a lot.
Speaker 10 (31:05):
Of problems of its own in terms of how it
gets formed and legal challenges and all that.
Speaker 5 (31:11):
But yeah, the NFL.
Speaker 10 (31:12):
Has has it figured it out. They they have everything centralized.
College football is the is the opposite.
Speaker 5 (31:19):
It is.
Speaker 10 (31:20):
It's warfare between the conferences, and I don't know that
anything is gonna is gonna stop that unless.
Speaker 5 (31:27):
They get together with the super League.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
Are we going to get to a point where we
can just have a whale that graduates from some FCS
school and says, you know what I'm putting, I'm gonna
be the Phil Knight of Eastern Washington University where and
it almost like the Wrexham model if you're familiar with
(31:52):
Welcome to Rexham and with Ryan Reynolds buying that fourth
division soccer team and and will will that be possible?
Doll on the road where a billionaire that graduates from
Eastern Washington University and is a huge Eagles football fan
just decides, you know what, I'm gonna make Eastern Washington
a freaking power. I'm gonna build a stadium, I'm gonna
(32:15):
pay my players, I'm gonna graduate from this crappy league
that We're in in the Big Sky, and I'm gonna
get up to the pick PAC twelve, and then I'm
gonna graduate from the PAC twelve, and I'm gonna get
up to the Big twelve, and I'm gonna graduate from
the Big twelve and I'm gonna get up to the
Super League. Do you see something like that potentially being
able to happen in the future.
Speaker 5 (32:35):
Could it happen? Yes, I don't know how likely it is.
Speaker 10 (32:39):
Uh but how is that that much different than Texas Tech?
Speaker 7 (32:44):
Right?
Speaker 2 (32:45):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (32:46):
Texas Tech?
Speaker 10 (32:47):
You know, if you before the Cody Campbell era, Texas
Tech is a third tier college football program in the
in the FBS, right, I mean Oregon in nineteen seventy
eight wasn't very good. Weren't they play in the Oregon
State to a zero zero tie in the Toilet Bowl
or something like that?
Speaker 2 (33:03):
Right?
Speaker 10 (33:04):
So yeah, I figured, I given, I give, I give
your audience a little meat there.
Speaker 5 (33:09):
Uh so.
Speaker 10 (33:11):
But but yes, it physically or theoretically it is possible.
Speaker 7 (33:15):
For sure, whether it would happen, I don't know.
Speaker 5 (33:19):
You still have to have, uh, you know.
Speaker 10 (33:22):
An agreement on how the schools can move up.
Speaker 5 (33:26):
Right, you have to have the at the highest level.
Speaker 10 (33:30):
I mean Greg Sankee, the SEC Commissioner, Tony Pettini, the
Big Ten commission. They already are upset at how many
schools are in the FBS. They want to limit the
access to the top tier. Uh so that that would
be a problem, but in theory, uh yeah, the more money.
If somebody's got a lot of money, they can they
can basically build from scratching and develop a powerhouse.
Speaker 3 (33:52):
Well, you know, you mentioned there's warfare between the conferences,
and John Wilner with his uh you know, it's not
just conference the conference, it's the you know, intra interconference warfare, right,
and and I just feel like we're gonna have uh,
these conferences comprised of teams and fan bases that are
(34:15):
used to winning for decades up on decades, right, because
every time Alabama wins a football game, Vanderbilt loses a
football game, you know, historically obviously, and and and yet
it just seems like the model doesn't make sense because
over a period any period of time, you're gonna have
half the conference losers.
Speaker 10 (34:37):
They're not used to losing like what happens then, right, Right,
that's the that's the argument against the Super League the
Texas is not gonna want to sign up for five
and seven on a regular basis, or someone like Georgia,
someone like that. And I would counter that by saying
the money is gonna would be so big that they
would sign up for it, because if you look at
(34:58):
the NFL, you know, if you if you imagine a
thirty two team college football super league that say is
worth half of what the NFL is worth in media dollars,
then the schools in that super league are still getting
two or three times the revenue that they'd get right now,
(35:19):
right we're talking about TV deals that instead of being
sixty or seventy million a year for schools in the
SEC and Big Ten, all of a sudden are worth
one hundred and fifty or two hundred million dollars. And
I just think they're not going to turn down that
money eventually, and you know they'll they'll roll the dice
on the winning and losing aspect because they're not going
(35:39):
to be able to turn down the money.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
Great stuff, John, appreciate it as always. Man, We'll talk
to you next week. Thanks a lot, guys, you bet
Jean John Wilner joining us as he does each and
every week. We gave him a week off for a
little vacation, but he's going to be back hard core
doing all of his Big ten previews and Pack twelve
previews and all that great stuff. Is a football season?
What six weeks away?
Speaker 6 (36:00):
Man?
Speaker 2 (36:00):
We had college football in six weeks. I actually had
it in my notes to talk to you about this
at some point this week, and I think this would
be a great time to do it, right if we
just had John Wilner, this whole promotion relegation, the Wrexham
model that I brought up. Can a whale just come
in and just be able to essentially buy a college
football team and turn it into a powerhouse just because
(36:20):
you'd be able to invest the money. We'll do that
coming up next. We do have news from Vegas right
that we're going to seven o'clock Is that correct with
Adam Silver? So won't be during the show, but we'll
certainly have a lot of reaction to it tomorrow. Whatever
Adam Silver says in Vegas about potential NBA expansion. We'll
be back right after this Softian Dick without the soft
one ninety three point three KJFM
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