July 15, 2026 • 39 mins
In the first hour, Dick Fain, Hugh Millen and Jackson Felts react to Argentina beating England in the World Cup semifinal, the incredible talent that is Lionel Messi and what separates himself from the other best players, how England lost the game late with bad tactical choices, plus Mike Florio joins the show to discuss the new Seahawks owners.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Brian Schmitzer will join us at five thirty to recap
what was an incredible game today, the comeback win for
Argentina two to one. Schwetzer will join us, and then
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Soccer recap show. But why have a recap show at
six o'clock when we just have one right now and Hugh,
(01:01):
let's just start with you, man, Let's just start with
the the layman's opinion on just a spectacular moment in
soccer history. It may be Messi's final World Cup assist
of his career, and was it a great one?
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Well, it was a stunning game.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
Really watching you every minute of it, I thought that
I was prepared to talk about defense and the zone
slash man to man awareness that that number eighteen for
England coming from the left side, the cross that he
was able to beat the defender, and how soccer to
(01:40):
me just seems to pivot on your spacing and your
your your defensive identification because there was clearly a defender
back there to you know, prevent that goal, but he didn't.
And eighteen is a one fast white boy. I mean,
I kind of had this this thought, but you know,
the prevailing storyline is the resiliency of Argentina. How many
(02:03):
times you know the Egy game was was I think historical,
and it's comeback three goals inside of regulation time in
the last one at six seven minutes and then just
somehow the assault just kept coming. And I feel like
England's goalie is what had a hell of a tournament.
(02:24):
It seems like he's making a lot of saves, but
it was such an onslaught messy to me, not knowing anything,
and I'm just kind of seeing what seems to separate him.
He's like, you only get fourteen clubs in your bag
and golf, I feel like he's got twenty four clubs
in his back, like he has so many lofts and
(02:45):
little flicks. And then when he passes it on the ground,
he puts spin so when it dies right at the
right spot and he ended up, you know, his first assist,
I guess it's going to be an assist.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
He drew the defense.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
He was on the right side, and I think he's
left footed on his pendety kicks. I think he's left footed,
so so here he's you know, you know, all his
crosses are going to be from his right foot. But
he draws the defense when when when Argentina was down
one zero, passes it out to some dude who's got
a freaking leg cannon. Uh that that just you know,
(03:18):
Howard served to the upper corner. But I feel like
the defense was drawn in more by Messi. But that
might be just me interpreting something that wasn't there, but
it was a wide open shot from the top. I
saw Bellingham, perhaps England's best player coming out, missed it
by a couple of inches, so maybe he was a
little out of position because of.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
The Messy influence.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
But the the game winner in in uh an extra time,
just the the loft, the spot that Messi's getting back.
I think it's his off foot that the perfect spot
at the perfect trajectory to enable what appeared to be
a relatively routine header for the goal. But it just
seemed like that assisted. It seems like Messi is you
(04:02):
could go out there and run around with basketball.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Hoops in your hand and you know.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
Kind of turn them perpendicular, and you know, Messi could
just say, oh yeah.
Speaker 4 (04:12):
I can.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
I can put that, not the soccer ball, basketball hoop,
you know, twenty five yards away with my off foot,
you know, with guys coming at me. I mean, his
his brilliance to somebody who has no training to the
eye is spectaclum. My final thought, we'll let Jackson go
away on this is I can't imagine the sports pain
(04:35):
for England haven't won it since nineteen sixty six.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
You know how.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
Important soccer is to the culture. They were showing Mick
Jagger for every tournament for England in the last few
times they hadn't won since nineteen sixty six. That was
before Jumping Jack Flash was released, in fact, two years
before Jumping Jack Flash. So the sports pain that England
(05:00):
be in right now, I jumped on you know, googled
the London Times. Well, they don't call themselves the London Times.
They call them themselves just the Times, and the headline
is agony for England. So I you know, had Argentina lost, Well,
they won it in twenty twenty two. I just can't
imagine what England's going through. Those are some of my
(05:21):
thoughts having watched all of that game.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
Oh great insight. We're gonna take a quick time out,
so we'll give Jackson appropriate amount of time after the
break to respond to that and give us his thoughts
on what was remarkable come from behind two to one
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Speaker 6 (06:03):
Oh, Matsy ain't gonna tell you up.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
Oh the incomparable Andres Cantor has been doing a long
time and I don't think I can ever remember him
losing his voice, Jackson, that was unbelievable.
Speaker 7 (06:40):
Throughout this tournament, I think Cantor has been a little bit.
He's had to kind of do the go go go
about three or four times. He can't hold it like
he used to hold it. Don't blame to him at all.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
The most most famous soccer commentator in probably the world's
history right there, Andres can't or at least to us
here in America. He's the one we always he always here.
But Jackson, take me through this, man, How do you
how do you kind of wrap this up and put
it into terms that we can all understand who only
watched soccer a few times a year.
Speaker 7 (07:12):
You can't take credit away from Argentina. They did the
job at the end, they scored the goals. You obviously
have to give them credit for the comeback, But guys,
this is on England. This is this is one hundred
percent on England and head coach Thomas Tookele, who obviously
had his whole thing after their recent win to get
to this semifinal game, the way that they played the
(07:34):
end of this game. They went up one nothing in
the fifty fifth minute, so ten minutes after halftime, Anthony
Gordon scores their goal. Let me give you an exact
one for one of what happened in this game, and
I'm gonna tell you the what what could have happened
as the comparative. Okay, so let's just go right back
to Super Bowl sixty.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
The Seahawks got a field.
Speaker 7 (07:57):
Goal from Jason Myers to lead the Patriots twelve nothing
with nine minutes and twelve seconds left in the third quarter,
just a little bit after halftime. Let's just say that
at that point, about twenty five minutes left to go
in the Super Bowl, the Seahawks said, we're leading twelve
(08:19):
to nothing. Every time that we have the ball, Matt,
who cares about first second or third down, We're just
gonna punt it back to you New England and allow
you to just play against our our defense.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
We don't even care.
Speaker 7 (08:33):
We won't even put Sam Donald or Kenneth Walker or
anybody out on the field anymore. We're just gonna give
you the ball to Michael Dixon. Continue to just run
at our defense and have fun. Imagine that the Seahawks
did that, and then eventually the Patriots scored a couple
touchdowns and beat Seattle in the Super Bowl. That, gentleman,
(08:56):
is what Argentina and England just was. Because englun in
a fifty fifth minute. A little bit after that goal,
Thomas Dukele said, you know what, We're gonna win this
game one nothing, and we are going to sit back.
We are going to essentially we have this terman soccer
called park the Bus, and we're gonna put everybody back,
and we are going to just dare Argentina to score against.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
US substitutions as well, taking offensive guys for defensive guys exactly.
Speaker 7 (09:22):
And that obviously was a dumbass strategy because you entirely
just say, all right, greatest of all time, Lionel Messi,
all right, really tremendous attacking players like Latarnal Martinez, Lexus McCallister.
We are going to just allow you to come at
us for more than a half hour, and it was
(09:44):
a really really bad strategy. I get it if you're
playing a really poor offensive team, but you're playing a
team who in their last couple World Cup matches have
done exactly what they ended up doing again is just
using that offensive talent, use it the passing ability and
getting those goals when they needed them the most.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
Late in the games. They find ways to win.
Speaker 7 (10:06):
And England just chocked up their hands and said, come
at us, We're gonna defend like we did the Mexico game.
Problem is Argentina and Mexico they're quite a bit better.
Speaker 4 (10:15):
Hugh.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
What does that do from a mental standpoint for a
team when your coach says, all right, pack it in,
we're good one nothing, packet in.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
Well, it certainly creates a mindset where you're on your
heels as opposed to attacking. I mean they took out
that number eighteen early. You know, I've been watching him
for a few games, impressed with him, and now they
kept on Harry Kane and of course Bellingham. I don't
(10:44):
know what others they have. I guess look, I'm going
to defer to Jackson for obvious reasons. In every turn
I would only ask this question because you made the
parallel if a football team literally didn't even try and
advance the ball on offense, just punt the ball. Let
(11:05):
me make a little bit more realistic analogy. I've heard
for years that that fans hate the prevent defense when
a team has the lead. You know, whether it's you know,
you're you're rushing three, you're playing zone with eight, and
and occasionally you're gonna lose a game playing prevent defense,
(11:25):
and then that ignites all the fans, this that that
you know that that feel like that's too passive. And
then they say, oh there, all the prevent defense does
is prevent you from winning, to which I respond, how
many hundreds of games do you think you've ever enjoyed
watching your team win with the lead when they went
(11:47):
prevent and they did the exact same thing that you know,
the three four man right right, and and by the way,
there's no huddle call. That's just prevent defense. You call
the coverages. The back layer tends to the the shallow
layer tends to be a little bit deeper. The back
layer tends to be a little bit deeper. You give
up some passes underneath.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
What have you.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
We've all seen prevent defense, but prevent defenses have won
a lot of games, and there's no strategy that that
guarantees you were going to win the games. You just
play the probability. Would would a reply, and I don't
know it to be the case? Would a reply be, yes,
we lost this one to a great team, but it
(12:29):
was still the the the choice to give us the
highest probability. It's just this plane didn't land on this
particular case.
Speaker 7 (12:38):
Nah. No, I mean I would say two things is,
you can't do prevent defense in a World Cup semi final,
and you can't do a prevent defense in.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
The third of a football game. And you can't do that.
Speaker 7 (12:49):
And also, third, you can't do a prevent defense against
the greatest offensive player of all time in Lionel Messi,
the greatest player of all time. Obviously, it'd be like
it'd be like the Seahawks having that twelve nothing lead
against the Patriots, but instead of Drake May and whatever
that Patriots offense was that we faced in February, it'd
be like facing Tom Brady plus Randy It'd be like
(13:10):
the seven Patriots offense and throw in an Adrian Peterson
it'd be like playing a Hall of Fame level offense
that Argentina has.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
It was, it was, it was so dumb. It was
in this game.
Speaker 7 (13:23):
You gotta give credit to Argentina, they earned it, but
it was massively dumb by England to do what they
did for the final thirty five minutes.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Well, I don't have the audio on here obviously because
I'm on the air, but they're just interviewed the coach
Tom Tookel. Yeah, yeah, I mean, is this because it's
so rabid in England and because he got off after
his he's the last he's done, That's what That was
my question. So he makes the final four of the
World Cup and yet he's gonna.
Speaker 7 (13:48):
Get fired, and not only that, I would see, what
is it? It's uh, I don't know what it's. What
do they play the game in Atlanta? So it's five fifty
five right now Eastern time. I don't think he makes
it to seven pm.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Come on, I think I think he leave him there.
Speaker 7 (14:05):
I think he gets a call within the next hour
that he's done, or he's forced to make a statement
that he's done.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
But think about it this way.
Speaker 7 (14:13):
Like you know, like Francis, I mean A lot of
this happens in the World Cup. Coaches step down in
the next day or two after their team's run ends.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
It's very, very normal.
Speaker 7 (14:24):
I think this will be accelerated because of the horrific
strategy that he played out.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
Interesting fifty Yeah, gohead, real, we.
Speaker 7 (14:32):
Gotta go, we gotta go, all right, Well on the
other side, on the other we'll pick it up.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
Two fifty five. We got Mike Florio coming up at
three ten. A lot to get to on the show
Larry Stone at five o'clock. Brian Schmetzer, let me see.
Brian Schmetzer agrees, see if he's fired by the time
Brian comes on at five thirty today. Coming up next
on ninety three point three kJ FM. Before you go here,
Adam crafton from the Athletic UK. Here's what he just tweeted.
(14:56):
I can, I genuinely can't recall a game of this
magnitude where a coach has cost his team in this
way extraordinary and damaging for Tukel. So to your point,
the Athletic UK is maybe sniffing around for potential Tucle
firing here very.
Speaker 7 (15:11):
Soon, And I again like I think that it's one
of those things where Tuchal is smart enough to know.
I mean, this is a guy who's coached at the
highest levels in Europe. He knows what's coming. He I mean,
I don't think he did it in his press conference.
He did say in his press conference quote it's easy
to say my decisions were wrong after the defeat. Unquote
no bleep Sherlock. But listen, he's smart enough to know
(15:34):
he should just bow out during the press conference and
he s'ould say, you know what, I really enjoyed my
time with the English national team. I'm excited to go
back to club soccer and this will be the last
time that I coach England. Just do that all on
the stard Yeah, just say I'm out. Don't let them
fire you, because you're gonna get a phone call in
the next couple hours.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
Anyway, in the aftermath of the game, I'm watching the
English players and Harry Kane. The camera was on him
quite a bit and he was a picture of class.
How he interacted with Messi and what have you. The
same thing with Belly and m All of them were
near Zache. I think there might have been one who
was chirping a little bit, but but a class classy response.
(16:14):
As I was watching them, I'm looking at these young
viril handsome, you know, mid twenties guys.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
You know, I don't.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
I'm assuming most of them in their twenties. Obviously there's
some of them in their thirties, but they're young men.
And I'm thinking to myself, you have no idea forty
fifty like you're this memory you have right now standing
on this pitch watching Argentina celebrate, listening to Argentina's songs
and the fans, and how you feel you're you're never
gonna shake this. You are never gonna shake You're gonna
(16:46):
be in your sixties and seventies, and in many ways
it's gonna hurt every bit as much.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Then, like like they don't.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
Know unless they win the next they're still on the team.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
No question, there's a way. Look, they have one in
since nineteen six. There's a way to redeem for sure.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
But if they if all of those players, you know,
play out their career and they never win it again,
never get close, that that is gonna this day is
gonna haunt them the rest of their lives.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
And that is not an exact story.
Speaker 7 (17:16):
In England's last seven World Cups, including this year. They
had one time where they got to the semifinals and
they lost that in twenty eighteen, and then they did
end up losing this third place games. They finished in
fourth place in twenty eighteen. So for a lot of
these players who are playing right now, for every single
one of the players who are playing right now, they
(17:38):
have only seen England go to their country, go to
one semifinal and they lost it. And now here they are,
and it's well documed in English football, like the the
the heartache that has been since nineteen sixty six, and
now those guys on the field are And honestly, I'm
not even gonna blame a lot of the players. I
mean simply, the cross from Messi on the second goal
(18:00):
was perfect. The service for Argentina. It's on two Cole,
it's on the coach, because I fully think that if
the tactics were different, and if he says, you know what,
all right, guys, let's continue. We're up one nothing, let's
continue playing and let's push, let's go get that second goal.
Let's not park the bus, Let's play this game like
it's zero zero right now. I think England win and
I think they win, maybe by by two goals, because
(18:22):
it's an entirely different shift. So the players now here,
you're right, have the weight and have this horrifying moment
in their burned into their brains and their hearts for
the rest of their lives.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
And it goes into the place in English soccer.
Speaker 7 (18:36):
History because of by the way, a German head coach
and not a single coach who is not of the
nationality of their country has ever won a World Cup.
So England was already playing from behind the eight ball
in that regard, and now Thomas Tukele makes this decision
to park the bus and it costs England a trip
(18:57):
to the final.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
In my pack, how many times does Messi make that pass?
Was that? Was that just a really good pass from
Messi that he makes all the time or was that
like an otherworldly pass from Messi?
Speaker 7 (19:06):
I watch a lot of Messi soccer because he's now here,
he's been in a MLS for a while. That's kind
of normal Messy. Wow, he's just he's guys. To me,
that was like ridiculous. Here's the reality. It's like Messi
has like he doesn't defend at all, but he's he
makes that kind of play commonplace.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
He's just that good. Well, then that's what. Then Jackson's
right about. You can't park that. You can't park the
bus against another worldly player. You can park the bus
against humans because humans don't make plays like that. So
you're you're perfectly ready to defend. But they had a
blast from twenty five yards out, which was perfect in
the past, from twenty five yards away, that was perfect.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Sure.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
Yeah, And and I guess for the sake of the players,
if the country, if England can unify, and and all
of their their rage is directed at a German. Fine,
but but you know you're gonna have Harry Kane walking
into a pub in his fifties and guys are gonna
recognize him. They're gonna go Remember that semi final back
(20:08):
in twenty twenty six against Argentina in the what minute,
you know, like in the in the eighty seventh minute,
we were up right like they're not shaking.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
This, no question about it.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
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(20:45):
Here's Softy and Dick.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
Well, I know Mike Florio has been keeping track of
what's going on the World Cup. He's been writing about it,
and that was something what we just witnessed.
Speaker 4 (20:55):
Mike.
Speaker 6 (20:57):
Well, this usually I've been able to watch when the
games begin. Today was one of those days where I
had some stuff going on, and I knew that I
wasn't going to be able to start watching it until
five o'clock Easter and that was an hour and ten
minutes ago.
Speaker 4 (21:17):
So I had to fifteen seconds at a time, little.
Speaker 6 (21:22):
Click click click on the East TV to get myself
through it. And I knew when to slow down and
when to watch it. And I just saw the end
of it, and I can't believe it. I thought England
was going to hold on. I didn't think Argentina could pull.
Speaker 4 (21:38):
A rabbit out of the hat.
Speaker 6 (21:38):
Again.
Speaker 4 (21:39):
It was amazing, just amazing.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
Yeah, and we're kind of trying to make football comparisons,
bringing up things like prevent defense, and I guess England's
going to be their coach is going to be under
fire for some time about the conservative nature, the substitutions
and what have you. You know, you get up one
nothing and then you you think that that's going to
be enough. You play to that one nothing. We've seen
(22:03):
it in football, Mike, you know, you play not to lose.
And it's like the sports gods they tend to front
on that more often than not. And I think that
they might have intervened today.
Speaker 6 (22:13):
Well they say two nothing is the most dangerous lead
in soccer, but if you're up one nothing to nothing
sounds pretty good as you can go and get it.
Speaker 4 (22:23):
And I think the problem is, and look, I bring.
Speaker 6 (22:26):
A lifetime of experience watching other sports to this discovery
I've had of the World Cup this year. But it's
got to be hard when you have morphed into let's
hang on for dear life to our one nothing lead
and then all of a sudden it's one one. One
team is still in go score mode, the other team
(22:47):
is in save our butts mode, and you got to
flip that switch back hard in the remaining time, and
I think at that point, the team that blew the
lead is tighter and trying to just get to extra time,
and the team that just scored their loser because they're thinking,
we were supposed to lose.
Speaker 4 (23:08):
Let's just go out.
Speaker 6 (23:09):
And play our game for the rest of this time
that we have before we get to the thirty extra minutes.
And Look, there's a lot more that goes into it,
but I think it's just a basic human emotion level
when you're out there and you're in the middle of it.
I think those factors can play into the collective minds
of the players who are out there trying to do it.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
Mike Flurio, Jonis, Mike, the biggest story locally since the
last time we talked to you, and one of the
biggest stories nationally in the NFL was the sale of
the Seahawks nine point six billion. Before we talk about
COOSO a little bit, maybe evaluate the job that Jody
Allen did as a caretaker of the franchise and can
(23:50):
you separate what Jody did versus what her brother did previous.
Speaker 6 (23:56):
Well, I don't think either of them particularly got in meddling,
stirring the pot, pulling the strings a lot of owners
are very involved and we know it.
Speaker 4 (24:10):
A lot of owners are very involved and.
Speaker 6 (24:12):
We don't know it because they don't want the scrutiny
that goes along with people believing that they are really
in the mix of making decisions.
Speaker 4 (24:22):
And most big decisions by.
Speaker 6 (24:24):
An NFL team are at least run by the owner,
And it doesn't take much for an owner to put
a thumb on the scale because the people who want
to continue to remain employed by the multi billionaire who
owns the.
Speaker 4 (24:35):
Team will tend to pick up on the cues. You
never have to say, go do this.
Speaker 6 (24:40):
The right or wrong word at the right or wrong
time is going to send a message that your employees
will act upon. And I've always had the impression Jody
Allen had just stayed out of the way, And I
think that's the key.
Speaker 4 (24:51):
You got to hire people who know what they're doing,
people that you.
Speaker 6 (24:54):
Trust, and just be a fan and every once in
a while they're going to need you for something big,
but for the most part, just let this thing go
out and perform under the guidance of the people.
Speaker 4 (25:06):
That you've hired to do it.
Speaker 6 (25:07):
And I think that from the perspective of New ownership
coming in the best outcome for everyone who's currently employed
by the Seahawks, the best outcome for all Seahawks fans
is if the Noote Coasla and his family will allow
this thing to continue.
Speaker 4 (25:23):
If it ain't broke, don't fix it. But then there's
the reality.
Speaker 6 (25:26):
If we're going to pay nine point sixty one two
billion for this thing and we own it, we can
do whatever we want.
Speaker 4 (25:30):
But that's the challenge.
Speaker 6 (25:32):
And if you get too involved and things start going
the other way, you're going to find out. As a
wise man once told me, the only thing better than
being rich and famous is being rich, And you're going
to find out what it means to be famous and
notorious in a community and in a fan base that
is upset that you had something that was in very
good shape and you found a way to screw it up.
(25:52):
So I don't have any reason to think that that'll happen,
But if I was a Seahawks fan, I'd be worried
that it could. And we don't know anything about these people.
That's the reality. When someone comes in and buys an
NFL team, it's like, Okay, who are these people?
Speaker 4 (26:07):
What are they going to do.
Speaker 6 (26:08):
Is there any way to draw any dotted line from
other businesses they've operated to this, I don't think there is.
Speaker 4 (26:14):
We have to just sit back and wait and see
what plays out.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
Mike Florio with this, Mike, I think you articulated that
exactly how I feel like. If you put yourself in
a position of an art and Seahawk fan, you would
be worried because it's the unknown, and really all the
things that can happen, you know, most of them are
wrong or merely as good as what they were. But
I also want to ask you that the specter of here,
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they spend nearly ten billion dollars and their net worth
is you know, fourteen fifteen billion. In the past through
different sports, including football, whether it's Mike Brown, or whether
it's Model's or what have you, those where the NFL
team is the family business. Uh, there's been a checkered
(27:03):
past with that. There's been good you know, you know
the Jerry Joneses. Yeah, he brought a lot of hardware.
But then there's also been some others where the uh,
the lack of financial a wherewithal hurt the team. So
should a Seahawk fan be concerned about that kind of
equity ratio that we bring forth with the Coastals here.
Speaker 4 (27:24):
Well, these are all family businesses.
Speaker 6 (27:26):
That's one of the amazing and frustrating depending upon which
team you follow realities of sports ownership and NFL ownership. Now,
for decades it was just the families of the people
who got the league going. But when we got into
the eighties and the Jerry Jones of the world showed up,
people who made a ton of money elsewhere and came
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in and bought these teams.
Speaker 4 (27:48):
It still ultimately as a family owned business. But you
hit the nail on the head. What kind of resources
do you have not.
Speaker 6 (27:55):
Just to show up and write the check for thirty
percent of the equity, which is what Venoede Coast the.
Speaker 4 (28:01):
Needs to have in order to buy the team.
Speaker 6 (28:03):
You've got to be able to transfer without debt the
funds to pay for thirty percent of the nine point
sixty one to two billion. Beyond that, you've got an
investment group. But when the time comes to make expenditures,
where's that money coming from or the other partners going
to be kicking it in? And the best comparison is
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the family that bought the Broncos for only four point
sixty five billion, less than half four years ago of
what the Coasts are paying the Walton Penner group, They've
got unlimited funds, they've got all those different family members
of the Sam Walton Walmart empire, and they are in
a position to spare no expense. Before they came in,
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I think the wealthiest owner was David.
Speaker 4 (28:47):
Tepper in the vicinity of eighteen nineteen billion.
Speaker 6 (28:50):
Networth based upon without their reported who knows how accurate
and it is. But then here come the Waltons at
seventy billion, so they can do exactly whatever they want
to do in order to reinvest in the team and
make it as competitive as it can be. So I
think that really is a question that will need to
be monitored going forward. Is the net worth of the
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coastalas is that high enough?
Speaker 4 (29:14):
Now? I think that there are other owners who are.
Speaker 6 (29:18):
Worth less, but they also didn't have to carve off
thirty percent of their net worth to buy the team.
They've owned it for some period of time. So I
think that's a real question when it comes down to
discretionary decisions that result in expenses that could make the
team better, are those expenses going to be incurred can
they be incurred by and I hate to say only
(29:41):
thirteen billion, But as these prices go up, I think
the money you need to have behind it in order
to make it work, especially as you're paying off this
team that you've purchased, I think it becomes a factor
that at least needs to be monitored.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
Mike a whole lot of smoke surrounding the RAMS facility
in Aaron Donald's return. Is it fade a complete that
at this point, and if it is, how concerned should
Seahawk fans be that he can still play at a
really high level.
Speaker 6 (30:09):
I don't think it's a done deal yet, but they're
not doing anything to push back against the perception that
it's moving in that direction. Aaron Donald goes on to
social media and stirs the pot. Then he goes and
works out at the team's facility, supposedly to see what
it feels like to work out in pads.
Speaker 4 (30:25):
What's his body going to feel like afterward?
Speaker 6 (30:28):
It's not done until he signs the paper and shows up,
and even then he may decide after the first couple
of games that things are different than they used to be.
Speaker 4 (30:35):
But I feel like at some level they're milking this cown.
Speaker 6 (30:39):
I think they're trying to make it dramatic and cinematic.
I mean, they are in Hollywood, after all, so I
think that's part of it. I also think whether they're
considering this factor or not. If and when on Aaron
Donald makes it clear he's coming back, the bar is
going to be even higher for the Rams than it
already is. And they're already the favorite to go to
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the super Bowl and win it, the odds will swing
even harder in their favor.
Speaker 4 (31:04):
It becomes a huge burden for the Rams to carry.
Speaker 6 (31:07):
Why not get to that point at a time when
all the camps are open so it's less of a
dominant teame on all of the talk shows, all of
the TV shows, how the Rams are the team that
we should just hand the trophy to and cancel the season.
I think it becomes a challenge for any coach to
try to motivate a team that so many people believe
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will just come out and.
Speaker 4 (31:31):
Be the wire to wire best team.
Speaker 6 (31:33):
And the reality is every game they play, they're going
to be going against a highly motivated opponent and you're
gonna have people who are rooting against them. And again,
if you're gonna start that process. I think it's better
to let it happen when we're distracted by everything else
that's going on, and not do it in a quiet
time where it comes to this dominant story that everyone
(31:55):
talks about for multiple days leading up to the opening
of camps.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
You cover the league without prejudice and so curious your take.
ESPN has come out with their top ten in each position,
and naturally we're going to focus most on the quarterbacks.
What is your impartial view of where Sam Darnold should
be on that list? Should he be in the top ten?
If not, about what numbers should he be? What was
(32:22):
your reaction to it?
Speaker 4 (32:24):
Well, something I said years ago that is still true.
Speaker 6 (32:27):
We can say, as to a given quarterback, yes or no,
he's a top ten guy. And if you do that
with every quarterback in the league, you will find out
you have twenty top ten quarterbacks.
Speaker 4 (32:37):
Right. So that's why the rankings are.
Speaker 6 (32:40):
A useful way to just understand there are a lot
of great quarterbacks in the NFL.
Speaker 4 (32:45):
Now.
Speaker 6 (32:45):
The problem is we get caught up in the moment,
just like the players who voted last year on the
top one hundred in the NFL. Lamar Jackson falling sixty
seven spots number sixty nine. It just shows you how
short term the focus can be. I don't know where
Sam Donald. This is hard with Aaron Donald and Sam
Donald in the same segment. I mean, I'm trying to
(33:06):
say boat right, but I don't know where Sam Donald
should fall.
Speaker 4 (33:12):
It's easy to say top ten, but.
Speaker 6 (33:17):
It isn't all that hard to identify ten other quarterbacks
where you would ask yourself the basic question, which one
would you rather have on your team? And I think
you can identify ten quarterbacks where if you look at
it objectively, yeah, if we had the choice right now,
if we could swap out Sam Donald for that guy,
there's probably ten of them that.
Speaker 4 (33:33):
You would say, yeah, let's go ahead and do it.
Speaker 6 (33:35):
And it leads to an interesting point moving forward, because
they had no hesitation about trading Geno Smith and signing
Sam Donald to a contract.
Speaker 4 (33:42):
That allowed them to escape it after one year. If
things hadn't.
Speaker 6 (33:45):
Worked out, if things don't go great this year, if
there's a regression with a new offensive coordinator, if the
league figures him out, or whatever the case may be,
and there are other options next year. I had somebody
asked me an excellent question last week. If Baker Mayfield's
available as a free agent with the Seahawks, be interested.
And when you consider what Mayfield did in Seattle last
year and that thirty eight to thirty five win, you
(34:06):
know what Donald did for the Vikings in twenty twenty
four late in the regular season, when the Vikings.
Speaker 4 (34:11):
Went in there and won. That had an impression on
the Seahawks.
Speaker 6 (34:14):
So we've already seen that they're not afraid to unplug
from a starting quarterback and move on to another one.
They're not afraid to let the starting running back who
was the Super Bowl MVP walk away in free agency.
Speaker 4 (34:27):
So it's a year to year league right now. And
I think as of right now, yes, they won.
Speaker 6 (34:33):
The Super Bowl, but it wasn't because Sam Donald threw
from four hundred yards, four touchdowns and no interceptions.
Speaker 4 (34:38):
And so last last year, last year's forgotten.
Speaker 6 (34:42):
And I don't think he's currently a top ten guy
because there are at least ten other guys that if
you looked at it fairly, you'd say we can get
this guy.
Speaker 4 (34:49):
Yeah, we'll take it. Mike.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
Always a pleasure. We'll talk to you next week. Thanks guys,
you back, Mike A lot to chew on there that
Mike just talked about. We'll do that coming up next
on ninety three point three Kjar Now back.
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Speaker 1 (35:22):
Well, Mike Florio threw a floury out of there at
the end. Hugh I thought that his take on the
RAMS was a pretty good one. That if the Rams
are going to bring Aaron Donald in, it does make
a lot more sense for them to do it when
thirty two training camps are being covered by the national
media instead of at a time where there's nothing going
(35:45):
on in the NFL. And now does that translate you're
the NFL player, I mean, does that translate? Does that
help the RAMS be more motivated to take the slings
and arrows from the other competitors in the NFL if
they're not, If the story isn't cover as much versus
if it is, does that matter?
Speaker 3 (36:05):
That's a stretch that didn't really pass my sniff test.
I think that the Rams are high profile enough. They
obviously play in a high profile city. Aaron Donald is
a lock Hall of Famer, you know, that has a
super Bowl ring in his own right. I mean, he's
he's gonna be a big story no matter what. Okay,
So yes, I will grant him that it'll be a
(36:29):
it will be less of a story if he signs
in ten days. But I don't know that that materially
changes anything from a motivation standpoint for either team. I mean,
if you have to contend with Aaron Donald, you have
to contend with him. And let's see what version of
Aaron Donald is he is he is ninety you know,
(36:51):
is he ninety five percent? Is he ninety nine percent?
Is he seventy nine percent? You know, we're just gonna
have to watch the tape see how he plays. I
would assume that they would have less reps for him,
that they kind of specialize, pace him throughout the game
and let him be involved in the most impactful plays
if he's you know, deserving of those reps. So until
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we see what kind of shape and stature he's in,
I think we're all just kind of waiting. It would
all be conjectures.
Speaker 1 (37:19):
Jackson and I were debating this the other day because
Jackson was talking about what he was like lifting up
his wife or his girlfriend with one arm or something
like that out here like all the like there's all
these you know, the workout warrior videos out there, and
I'm like, cool, he's really strong. He's still really strong.
Can he still be an elite defensive tackle in the
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NFL two years after not taking a snap? I have
a tough time believing that. But that's just me. I mean,
how two years off in your thirties, how likely is
it that he can even be close? It can be
ninety percent.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
Of erring Don.
Speaker 3 (37:57):
I don't know if it's the two years off. It's
just that the natural aging part, right. Is he as
quick as he is explosive?
Speaker 2 (38:06):
I think I.
Speaker 3 (38:06):
Think his his in game, you know, instincts where the
ball is and what have you, the speed of the game.
His mind will probably catch up earlier. It's just okay,
just that, as I said, the quickness, the explosiveness that
marked his game, because remember now he's he's a short guy.
He was still you know, in the twenty eight drafts
(38:27):
that we've done. I kicked myself on three drafts, and
the one that I kicked the most, myself the most
that I was just asleep at the wheel, flat out
of sleep at the wheel. As Aaron Donald. I remember him.
He was about the twelfth or thirteenth pick. Rams were
still in Saint Louis, if I remember, and you know
I studied for him. He played a pitt, you know,
(38:49):
prepared the draft. I remember doing, you know, commenting on him.
I just I just did not see it coming that
he would be that great. And we're talking about in
the discussion, well it.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
Is going to be that great or he would have
been the number one pick of the draft.
Speaker 3 (39:03):
No, well, well I would just say I didn't even
see a shadow of that company, right, you know, you
know when he got drafted in thirteenth, I remember thinking, yeah,
that's about right.
Speaker 2 (39:14):
I'm not surprised either way on that. And then he
just blew the top off of all of it.
Speaker 1 (39:19):
We got a plethora of fun with audio, So we're
going to break right now and get back to it.
We got a lot to get to a softy in
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on ninety three point three KJRFM,
Brian Schmitzer will join us at five thirty to recap
what was an incredible game today, the comeback win for
Argentina two to one. Schwetzer will join us, and then
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Soccer recap show. But why have a recap show at
six o'clock when we just have one right now and Hugh,
(01:01):
let's just start with you, man, Let's just start with
the the layman's opinion on just a spectacular moment in
soccer history. It may be Messi's final World Cup assist
of his career, and was it a great one?
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Well, it was a stunning game.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
Really watching you every minute of it, I thought that
I was prepared to talk about defense and the zone
slash man to man awareness that that number eighteen for
England coming from the left side, the cross that he
was able to beat the defender, and how soccer to
(01:40):
me just seems to pivot on your spacing and your
your your defensive identification because there was clearly a defender
back there to you know, prevent that goal, but he didn't.
And eighteen is a one fast white boy. I mean,
I kind of had this this thought, but you know,
the prevailing storyline is the resiliency of Argentina. How many
(02:03):
times you know the Egy game was was I think historical,
and it's comeback three goals inside of regulation time in
the last one at six seven minutes and then just
somehow the assault just kept coming. And I feel like
England's goalie is what had a hell of a tournament.
(02:24):
It seems like he's making a lot of saves, but
it was such an onslaught messy to me, not knowing anything,
and I'm just kind of seeing what seems to separate him.
He's like, you only get fourteen clubs in your bag
and golf, I feel like he's got twenty four clubs
in his back, like he has so many lofts and
(02:45):
little flicks. And then when he passes it on the ground,
he puts spin so when it dies right at the
right spot and he ended up, you know, his first assist,
I guess it's going to be an assist.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
He drew the defense.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
He was on the right side, and I think he's
left footed on his pendety kicks. I think he's left footed,
so so here he's you know, you know, all his
crosses are going to be from his right foot. But
he draws the defense when when when Argentina was down
one zero, passes it out to some dude who's got
a freaking leg cannon. Uh that that just you know,
(03:18):
Howard served to the upper corner. But I feel like
the defense was drawn in more by Messi. But that
might be just me interpreting something that wasn't there, but
it was a wide open shot from the top. I
saw Bellingham, perhaps England's best player coming out, missed it
by a couple of inches, so maybe he was a
little out of position because of.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
The Messy influence.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
But the the game winner in in uh an extra time,
just the the loft, the spot that Messi's getting back.
I think it's his off foot that the perfect spot
at the perfect trajectory to enable what appeared to be
a relatively routine header for the goal. But it just
seemed like that assisted. It seems like Messi is you
(04:02):
could go out there and run around with basketball.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Hoops in your hand and you know.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
Kind of turn them perpendicular, and you know, Messi could
just say, oh yeah.
Speaker 4 (04:12):
I can.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
I can put that, not the soccer ball, basketball hoop,
you know, twenty five yards away with my off foot,
you know, with guys coming at me. I mean, his
his brilliance to somebody who has no training to the
eye is spectaclum. My final thought, we'll let Jackson go
away on this is I can't imagine the sports pain
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for England haven't won it since nineteen sixty six.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
You know how.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
Important soccer is to the culture. They were showing Mick
Jagger for every tournament for England in the last few
times they hadn't won since nineteen sixty six. That was
before Jumping Jack Flash was released, in fact, two years
before Jumping Jack Flash. So the sports pain that England
(05:00):
be in right now, I jumped on you know, googled
the London Times. Well, they don't call themselves the London Times.
They call them themselves just the Times, and the headline
is agony for England. So I you know, had Argentina lost, Well,
they won it in twenty twenty two. I just can't
imagine what England's going through. Those are some of my
(05:21):
thoughts having watched all of that game.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
Oh great insight. We're gonna take a quick time out,
so we'll give Jackson appropriate amount of time after the
break to respond to that and give us his thoughts
on what was remarkable come from behind two to one
win for Argentina today over England. More Softie and Dick
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Speaker 6 (06:03):
Oh, Matsy ain't gonna tell you up.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
Oh the incomparable Andres Cantor has been doing a long
time and I don't think I can ever remember him
losing his voice, Jackson, that was unbelievable.
Speaker 7 (06:40):
Throughout this tournament, I think Cantor has been a little bit.
He's had to kind of do the go go go
about three or four times. He can't hold it like
he used to hold it. Don't blame to him at all.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
The most most famous soccer commentator in probably the world's
history right there, Andres can't or at least to us
here in America. He's the one we always he always here.
But Jackson, take me through this, man, How do you
how do you kind of wrap this up and put
it into terms that we can all understand who only
watched soccer a few times a year.
Speaker 7 (07:12):
You can't take credit away from Argentina. They did the
job at the end, they scored the goals. You obviously
have to give them credit for the comeback, But guys,
this is on England. This is this is one hundred
percent on England and head coach Thomas Tookele, who obviously
had his whole thing after their recent win to get
to this semifinal game, the way that they played the
(07:34):
end of this game. They went up one nothing in
the fifty fifth minute, so ten minutes after halftime, Anthony
Gordon scores their goal. Let me give you an exact
one for one of what happened in this game, and
I'm gonna tell you the what what could have happened
as the comparative. Okay, so let's just go right back
to Super Bowl sixty.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
The Seahawks got a field.
Speaker 7 (07:57):
Goal from Jason Myers to lead the Patriots twelve nothing
with nine minutes and twelve seconds left in the third quarter,
just a little bit after halftime. Let's just say that
at that point, about twenty five minutes left to go
in the Super Bowl, the Seahawks said, we're leading twelve
(08:19):
to nothing. Every time that we have the ball, Matt,
who cares about first second or third down, We're just
gonna punt it back to you New England and allow
you to just play against our our defense.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
We don't even care.
Speaker 7 (08:33):
We won't even put Sam Donald or Kenneth Walker or
anybody out on the field anymore. We're just gonna give
you the ball to Michael Dixon. Continue to just run
at our defense and have fun. Imagine that the Seahawks
did that, and then eventually the Patriots scored a couple
touchdowns and beat Seattle in the Super Bowl. That, gentleman,
(08:56):
is what Argentina and England just was. Because englun in
a fifty fifth minute. A little bit after that goal,
Thomas Dukele said, you know what, We're gonna win this
game one nothing, and we are going to sit back.
We are going to essentially we have this terman soccer
called park the Bus, and we're gonna put everybody back,
and we are going to just dare Argentina to score against.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
US substitutions as well, taking offensive guys for defensive guys exactly.
Speaker 7 (09:22):
And that obviously was a dumbass strategy because you entirely
just say, all right, greatest of all time, Lionel Messi,
all right, really tremendous attacking players like Latarnal Martinez, Lexus McCallister.
We are going to just allow you to come at
us for more than a half hour, and it was
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a really really bad strategy. I get it if you're
playing a really poor offensive team, but you're playing a
team who in their last couple World Cup matches have
done exactly what they ended up doing again is just
using that offensive talent, use it the passing ability and
getting those goals when they needed them the most.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
Late in the games. They find ways to win.
Speaker 7 (10:06):
And England just chocked up their hands and said, come
at us, We're gonna defend like we did the Mexico game.
Problem is Argentina and Mexico they're quite a bit better.
Speaker 4 (10:15):
Hugh.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
What does that do from a mental standpoint for a
team when your coach says, all right, pack it in,
we're good one nothing, packet in.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
Well, it certainly creates a mindset where you're on your
heels as opposed to attacking. I mean they took out
that number eighteen early. You know, I've been watching him
for a few games, impressed with him, and now they
kept on Harry Kane and of course Bellingham. I don't
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know what others they have. I guess look, I'm going
to defer to Jackson for obvious reasons. In every turn
I would only ask this question because you made the
parallel if a football team literally didn't even try and
advance the ball on offense, just punt the ball. Let
(11:05):
me make a little bit more realistic analogy. I've heard
for years that that fans hate the prevent defense when
a team has the lead. You know, whether it's you know,
you're you're rushing three, you're playing zone with eight, and
and occasionally you're gonna lose a game playing prevent defense,
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and then that ignites all the fans, this that that
you know that that feel like that's too passive. And
then they say, oh there, all the prevent defense does
is prevent you from winning, to which I respond, how
many hundreds of games do you think you've ever enjoyed
watching your team win with the lead when they went
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prevent and they did the exact same thing that you know,
the three four man right right, and and by the way,
there's no huddle call. That's just prevent defense. You call
the coverages. The back layer tends to the the shallow
layer tends to be a little bit deeper. The back
layer tends to be a little bit deeper. You give
up some passes underneath.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
What have you.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
We've all seen prevent defense, but prevent defenses have won
a lot of games, and there's no strategy that that
guarantees you were going to win the games. You just
play the probability. Would would a reply, and I don't
know it to be the case? Would a reply be, yes,
we lost this one to a great team, but it
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was still the the the choice to give us the
highest probability. It's just this plane didn't land on this
particular case.
Speaker 7 (12:38):
Nah. No, I mean I would say two things is,
you can't do prevent defense in a World Cup semi final,
and you can't do a prevent defense in.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
The third of a football game. And you can't do that.
Speaker 7 (12:49):
And also, third, you can't do a prevent defense against
the greatest offensive player of all time in Lionel Messi,
the greatest player of all time. Obviously, it'd be like
it'd be like the Seahawks having that twelve nothing lead
against the Patriots, but instead of Drake May and whatever
that Patriots offense was that we faced in February, it'd
be like facing Tom Brady plus Randy It'd be like
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the seven Patriots offense and throw in an Adrian Peterson
it'd be like playing a Hall of Fame level offense
that Argentina has.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
It was, it was, it was so dumb. It was
in this game.
Speaker 7 (13:23):
You gotta give credit to Argentina, they earned it, but
it was massively dumb by England to do what they
did for the final thirty five minutes.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Well, I don't have the audio on here obviously because
I'm on the air, but they're just interviewed the coach
Tom Tookel. Yeah, yeah, I mean, is this because it's
so rabid in England and because he got off after
his he's the last he's done, That's what That was
my question. So he makes the final four of the
World Cup and yet he's gonna.
Speaker 7 (13:48):
Get fired, and not only that, I would see, what
is it? It's uh, I don't know what it's. What
do they play the game in Atlanta? So it's five fifty
five right now Eastern time. I don't think he makes
it to seven pm.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Come on, I think I think he leave him there.
Speaker 7 (14:05):
I think he gets a call within the next hour
that he's done, or he's forced to make a statement
that he's done.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
But think about it this way.
Speaker 7 (14:13):
Like you know, like Francis, I mean A lot of
this happens in the World Cup. Coaches step down in
the next day or two after their team's run ends.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
It's very, very normal.
Speaker 7 (14:24):
I think this will be accelerated because of the horrific
strategy that he played out.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
Interesting fifty Yeah, gohead, real, we.
Speaker 7 (14:32):
Gotta go, we gotta go, all right, Well on the
other side, on the other we'll pick it up.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
Two fifty five. We got Mike Florio coming up at
three ten. A lot to get to on the show
Larry Stone at five o'clock. Brian Schmetzer, let me see.
Brian Schmetzer agrees, see if he's fired by the time
Brian comes on at five thirty today. Coming up next
on ninety three point three kJ FM. Before you go here,
Adam crafton from the Athletic UK. Here's what he just tweeted.
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I can, I genuinely can't recall a game of this
magnitude where a coach has cost his team in this
way extraordinary and damaging for Tukel. So to your point,
the Athletic UK is maybe sniffing around for potential Tucle
firing here very.
Speaker 7 (15:11):
Soon, And I again like I think that it's one
of those things where Tuchal is smart enough to know.
I mean, this is a guy who's coached at the
highest levels in Europe. He knows what's coming. He I mean,
I don't think he did it in his press conference.
He did say in his press conference quote it's easy
to say my decisions were wrong after the defeat. Unquote
no bleep Sherlock. But listen, he's smart enough to know
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he should just bow out during the press conference and
he s'ould say, you know what, I really enjoyed my
time with the English national team. I'm excited to go
back to club soccer and this will be the last
time that I coach England. Just do that all on
the stard Yeah, just say I'm out. Don't let them
fire you, because you're gonna get a phone call in
the next couple hours.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
Anyway, in the aftermath of the game, I'm watching the
English players and Harry Kane. The camera was on him
quite a bit and he was a picture of class.
How he interacted with Messi and what have you. The
same thing with Belly and m All of them were
near Zache. I think there might have been one who
was chirping a little bit, but but a class classy response.
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As I was watching them, I'm looking at these young
viril handsome, you know, mid twenties guys.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
You know, I don't.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
I'm assuming most of them in their twenties. Obviously there's
some of them in their thirties, but they're young men.
And I'm thinking to myself, you have no idea forty
fifty like you're this memory you have right now standing
on this pitch watching Argentina celebrate, listening to Argentina's songs
and the fans, and how you feel you're you're never
gonna shake this. You are never gonna shake You're gonna
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be in your sixties and seventies, and in many ways
it's gonna hurt every bit as much.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Then, like like they don't.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
Know unless they win the next they're still on the team.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
No question, there's a way. Look, they have one in
since nineteen six. There's a way to redeem for sure.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
But if they if all of those players, you know,
play out their career and they never win it again,
never get close, that that is gonna this day is
gonna haunt them the rest of their lives.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
And that is not an exact story.
Speaker 7 (17:16):
In England's last seven World Cups, including this year. They
had one time where they got to the semifinals and
they lost that in twenty eighteen, and then they did
end up losing this third place games. They finished in
fourth place in twenty eighteen. So for a lot of
these players who are playing right now, for every single
one of the players who are playing right now, they
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have only seen England go to their country, go to
one semifinal and they lost it. And now here they are,
and it's well documed in English football, like the the
the heartache that has been since nineteen sixty six, and
now those guys on the field are And honestly, I'm
not even gonna blame a lot of the players. I
mean simply, the cross from Messi on the second goal
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was perfect. The service for Argentina. It's on two Cole,
it's on the coach, because I fully think that if
the tactics were different, and if he says, you know what,
all right, guys, let's continue. We're up one nothing, let's
continue playing and let's push, let's go get that second goal.
Let's not park the bus, Let's play this game like
it's zero zero right now. I think England win and
I think they win, maybe by by two goals, because
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it's an entirely different shift. So the players now here,
you're right, have the weight and have this horrifying moment
in their burned into their brains and their hearts for
the rest of their lives.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
And it goes into the place in English soccer.
Speaker 7 (18:36):
History because of by the way, a German head coach
and not a single coach who is not of the
nationality of their country has ever won a World Cup.
So England was already playing from behind the eight ball
in that regard, and now Thomas Tukele makes this decision
to park the bus and it costs England a trip
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to the final.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
In my pack, how many times does Messi make that pass?
Was that? Was that just a really good pass from
Messi that he makes all the time or was that
like an otherworldly pass from Messi?
Speaker 7 (19:06):
I watch a lot of Messi soccer because he's now here,
he's been in a MLS for a while. That's kind
of normal Messy. Wow, he's just he's guys. To me,
that was like ridiculous. Here's the reality. It's like Messi
has like he doesn't defend at all, but he's he
makes that kind of play commonplace.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
He's just that good. Well, then that's what. Then Jackson's
right about. You can't park that. You can't park the
bus against another worldly player. You can park the bus
against humans because humans don't make plays like that. So
you're you're perfectly ready to defend. But they had a
blast from twenty five yards out, which was perfect in
the past, from twenty five yards away, that was perfect.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Sure.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
Yeah, And and I guess for the sake of the players,
if the country, if England can unify, and and all
of their their rage is directed at a German. Fine,
but but you know you're gonna have Harry Kane walking
into a pub in his fifties and guys are gonna
recognize him. They're gonna go Remember that semi final back
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in twenty twenty six against Argentina in the what minute,
you know, like in the in the eighty seventh minute,
we were up right like they're not shaking.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
This, no question about it.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
We'll go from my football to football with Mike Florio
right now.
Speaker 8 (20:24):
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Here's Softy and Dick.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
Well, I know Mike Florio has been keeping track of
what's going on the World Cup. He's been writing about it,
and that was something what we just witnessed.
Speaker 4 (20:55):
Mike.
Speaker 6 (20:57):
Well, this usually I've been able to watch when the
games begin. Today was one of those days where I
had some stuff going on, and I knew that I
wasn't going to be able to start watching it until
five o'clock Easter and that was an hour and ten
minutes ago.
Speaker 4 (21:17):
So I had to fifteen seconds at a time, little.
Speaker 6 (21:22):
Click click click on the East TV to get myself
through it. And I knew when to slow down and
when to watch it. And I just saw the end
of it, and I can't believe it. I thought England
was going to hold on. I didn't think Argentina could pull.
Speaker 4 (21:38):
A rabbit out of the hat.
Speaker 6 (21:38):
Again.
Speaker 4 (21:39):
It was amazing, just amazing.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
Yeah, and we're kind of trying to make football comparisons,
bringing up things like prevent defense, and I guess England's
going to be their coach is going to be under
fire for some time about the conservative nature, the substitutions
and what have you. You know, you get up one
nothing and then you you think that that's going to
be enough. You play to that one nothing. We've seen
(22:03):
it in football, Mike, you know, you play not to lose.
And it's like the sports gods they tend to front
on that more often than not. And I think that
they might have intervened today.
Speaker 6 (22:13):
Well they say two nothing is the most dangerous lead
in soccer, but if you're up one nothing to nothing
sounds pretty good as you can go and get it.
Speaker 4 (22:23):
And I think the problem is, and look, I bring.
Speaker 6 (22:26):
A lifetime of experience watching other sports to this discovery
I've had of the World Cup this year. But it's
got to be hard when you have morphed into let's
hang on for dear life to our one nothing lead
and then all of a sudden it's one one. One
team is still in go score mode, the other team
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is in save our butts mode, and you got to
flip that switch back hard in the remaining time, and
I think at that point, the team that blew the
lead is tighter and trying to just get to extra time,
and the team that just scored their loser because they're thinking,
we were supposed to lose.
Speaker 4 (23:08):
Let's just go out.
Speaker 6 (23:09):
And play our game for the rest of this time
that we have before we get to the thirty extra minutes.
And Look, there's a lot more that goes into it,
but I think it's just a basic human emotion level
when you're out there and you're in the middle of it.
I think those factors can play into the collective minds
of the players who are out there trying to do it.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
Mike Flurio, Jonis, Mike, the biggest story locally since the
last time we talked to you, and one of the
biggest stories nationally in the NFL was the sale of
the Seahawks nine point six billion. Before we talk about
COOSO a little bit, maybe evaluate the job that Jody
Allen did as a caretaker of the franchise and can
(23:50):
you separate what Jody did versus what her brother did previous.
Speaker 6 (23:56):
Well, I don't think either of them particularly got in meddling,
stirring the pot, pulling the strings a lot of owners
are very involved and we know it.
Speaker 4 (24:10):
A lot of owners are very involved and.
Speaker 6 (24:12):
We don't know it because they don't want the scrutiny
that goes along with people believing that they are really
in the mix of making decisions.
Speaker 4 (24:22):
And most big decisions by.
Speaker 6 (24:24):
An NFL team are at least run by the owner,
And it doesn't take much for an owner to put
a thumb on the scale because the people who want
to continue to remain employed by the multi billionaire who
owns the.
Speaker 4 (24:35):
Team will tend to pick up on the cues. You
never have to say, go do this.
Speaker 6 (24:40):
The right or wrong word at the right or wrong
time is going to send a message that your employees
will act upon. And I've always had the impression Jody
Allen had just stayed out of the way, And I
think that's the key.
Speaker 4 (24:51):
You got to hire people who know what they're doing,
people that you.
Speaker 6 (24:54):
Trust, and just be a fan and every once in
a while they're going to need you for something big,
but for the most part, just let this thing go
out and perform under the guidance of the people.
Speaker 4 (25:06):
That you've hired to do it.
Speaker 6 (25:07):
And I think that from the perspective of New ownership
coming in the best outcome for everyone who's currently employed
by the Seahawks, the best outcome for all Seahawks fans
is if the Noote Coasla and his family will allow
this thing to continue.
Speaker 4 (25:23):
If it ain't broke, don't fix it. But then there's
the reality.
Speaker 6 (25:26):
If we're going to pay nine point sixty one two
billion for this thing and we own it, we can
do whatever we want.
Speaker 4 (25:30):
But that's the challenge.
Speaker 6 (25:32):
And if you get too involved and things start going
the other way, you're going to find out. As a
wise man once told me, the only thing better than
being rich and famous is being rich, And you're going
to find out what it means to be famous and
notorious in a community and in a fan base that
is upset that you had something that was in very
good shape and you found a way to screw it up.
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So I don't have any reason to think that that'll happen,
But if I was a Seahawks fan, I'd be worried
that it could. And we don't know anything about these people.
That's the reality. When someone comes in and buys an
NFL team, it's like, Okay, who are these people?
Speaker 4 (26:07):
What are they going to do.
Speaker 6 (26:08):
Is there any way to draw any dotted line from
other businesses they've operated to this, I don't think there is.
Speaker 4 (26:14):
We have to just sit back and wait and see
what plays out.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
Mike Florio with this, Mike, I think you articulated that
exactly how I feel like. If you put yourself in
a position of an art and Seahawk fan, you would
be worried because it's the unknown, and really all the
things that can happen, you know, most of them are
wrong or merely as good as what they were. But
I also want to ask you that the specter of here,
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they spend nearly ten billion dollars and their net worth
is you know, fourteen fifteen billion. In the past through
different sports, including football, whether it's Mike Brown, or whether
it's Model's or what have you, those where the NFL
team is the family business. Uh, there's been a checkered
(27:03):
past with that. There's been good you know, you know
the Jerry Joneses. Yeah, he brought a lot of hardware.
But then there's also been some others where the uh,
the lack of financial a wherewithal hurt the team. So
should a Seahawk fan be concerned about that kind of
equity ratio that we bring forth with the Coastals here.
Speaker 4 (27:24):
Well, these are all family businesses.
Speaker 6 (27:26):
That's one of the amazing and frustrating depending upon which
team you follow realities of sports ownership and NFL ownership. Now,
for decades it was just the families of the people
who got the league going. But when we got into
the eighties and the Jerry Jones of the world showed up,
people who made a ton of money elsewhere and came
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in and bought these teams.
Speaker 4 (27:48):
It still ultimately as a family owned business. But you
hit the nail on the head. What kind of resources
do you have not.
Speaker 6 (27:55):
Just to show up and write the check for thirty
percent of the equity, which is what Venoede Coast the.
Speaker 4 (28:01):
Needs to have in order to buy the team.
Speaker 6 (28:03):
You've got to be able to transfer without debt the
funds to pay for thirty percent of the nine point
sixty one to two billion. Beyond that, you've got an
investment group. But when the time comes to make expenditures,
where's that money coming from or the other partners going
to be kicking it in? And the best comparison is
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the family that bought the Broncos for only four point
sixty five billion, less than half four years ago of
what the Coasts are paying the Walton Penner group, They've
got unlimited funds, they've got all those different family members
of the Sam Walton Walmart empire, and they are in
a position to spare no expense. Before they came in,
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I think the wealthiest owner was David.
Speaker 4 (28:47):
Tepper in the vicinity of eighteen nineteen billion.
Speaker 6 (28:50):
Networth based upon without their reported who knows how accurate
and it is. But then here come the Waltons at
seventy billion, so they can do exactly whatever they want
to do in order to reinvest in the team and
make it as competitive as it can be. So I
think that really is a question that will need to
be monitored going forward. Is the net worth of the
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coastalas is that high enough?
Speaker 4 (29:14):
Now? I think that there are other owners who are.
Speaker 6 (29:18):
Worth less, but they also didn't have to carve off
thirty percent of their net worth to buy the team.
They've owned it for some period of time. So I
think that's a real question when it comes down to
discretionary decisions that result in expenses that could make the
team better, are those expenses going to be incurred can
they be incurred by and I hate to say only
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thirteen billion, But as these prices go up, I think
the money you need to have behind it in order
to make it work, especially as you're paying off this
team that you've purchased, I think it becomes a factor
that at least needs to be monitored.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
Mike a whole lot of smoke surrounding the RAMS facility
in Aaron Donald's return. Is it fade a complete that
at this point, and if it is, how concerned should
Seahawk fans be that he can still play at a
really high level.
Speaker 6 (30:09):
I don't think it's a done deal yet, but they're
not doing anything to push back against the perception that
it's moving in that direction. Aaron Donald goes on to
social media and stirs the pot. Then he goes and
works out at the team's facility, supposedly to see what
it feels like to work out in pads.
Speaker 4 (30:25):
What's his body going to feel like afterward?
Speaker 6 (30:28):
It's not done until he signs the paper and shows up,
and even then he may decide after the first couple
of games that things are different than they used to be.
Speaker 4 (30:35):
But I feel like at some level they're milking this cown.
Speaker 6 (30:39):
I think they're trying to make it dramatic and cinematic.
I mean, they are in Hollywood, after all, so I
think that's part of it. I also think whether they're
considering this factor or not. If and when on Aaron
Donald makes it clear he's coming back, the bar is
going to be even higher for the Rams than it
already is. And they're already the favorite to go to
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the super Bowl and win it, the odds will swing
even harder in their favor.
Speaker 4 (31:04):
It becomes a huge burden for the Rams to carry.
Speaker 6 (31:07):
Why not get to that point at a time when
all the camps are open so it's less of a
dominant teame on all of the talk shows, all of
the TV shows, how the Rams are the team that
we should just hand the trophy to and cancel the season.
I think it becomes a challenge for any coach to
try to motivate a team that so many people believe
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will just come out and.
Speaker 4 (31:31):
Be the wire to wire best team.
Speaker 6 (31:33):
And the reality is every game they play, they're going
to be going against a highly motivated opponent and you're
gonna have people who are rooting against them. And again,
if you're gonna start that process. I think it's better
to let it happen when we're distracted by everything else
that's going on, and not do it in a quiet
time where it comes to this dominant story that everyone
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talks about for multiple days leading up to the opening
of camps.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
You cover the league without prejudice and so curious your take.
ESPN has come out with their top ten in each position,
and naturally we're going to focus most on the quarterbacks.
What is your impartial view of where Sam Darnold should
be on that list? Should he be in the top ten?
If not, about what numbers should he be? What was
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your reaction to it?
Speaker 4 (32:24):
Well, something I said years ago that is still true.
Speaker 6 (32:27):
We can say, as to a given quarterback, yes or no,
he's a top ten guy. And if you do that
with every quarterback in the league, you will find out
you have twenty top ten quarterbacks.
Speaker 4 (32:37):
Right. So that's why the rankings are.
Speaker 6 (32:40):
A useful way to just understand there are a lot
of great quarterbacks in the NFL.
Speaker 4 (32:45):
Now.
Speaker 6 (32:45):
The problem is we get caught up in the moment,
just like the players who voted last year on the
top one hundred in the NFL. Lamar Jackson falling sixty
seven spots number sixty nine. It just shows you how
short term the focus can be. I don't know where
Sam Donald. This is hard with Aaron Donald and Sam
Donald in the same segment. I mean, I'm trying to
(33:06):
say boat right, but I don't know where Sam Donald
should fall.
Speaker 4 (33:12):
It's easy to say top ten, but.
Speaker 6 (33:17):
It isn't all that hard to identify ten other quarterbacks
where you would ask yourself the basic question, which one
would you rather have on your team? And I think
you can identify ten quarterbacks where if you look at
it objectively, yeah, if we had the choice right now,
if we could swap out Sam Donald for that guy,
there's probably ten of them that.
Speaker 4 (33:33):
You would say, yeah, let's go ahead and do it.
Speaker 6 (33:35):
And it leads to an interesting point moving forward, because
they had no hesitation about trading Geno Smith and signing
Sam Donald to a contract.
Speaker 4 (33:42):
That allowed them to escape it after one year. If
things hadn't.
Speaker 6 (33:45):
Worked out, if things don't go great this year, if
there's a regression with a new offensive coordinator, if the
league figures him out, or whatever the case may be,
and there are other options next year. I had somebody
asked me an excellent question last week. If Baker Mayfield's
available as a free agent with the Seahawks, be interested.
And when you consider what Mayfield did in Seattle last
year and that thirty eight to thirty five win, you
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know what Donald did for the Vikings in twenty twenty
four late in the regular season, when the Vikings.
Speaker 4 (34:11):
Went in there and won. That had an impression on
the Seahawks.
Speaker 6 (34:14):
So we've already seen that they're not afraid to unplug
from a starting quarterback and move on to another one.
They're not afraid to let the starting running back who
was the Super Bowl MVP walk away in free agency.
Speaker 4 (34:27):
So it's a year to year league right now. And
I think as of right now, yes, they won.
Speaker 6 (34:33):
The Super Bowl, but it wasn't because Sam Donald threw
from four hundred yards, four touchdowns and no interceptions.
Speaker 4 (34:38):
And so last last year, last year's forgotten.
Speaker 6 (34:42):
And I don't think he's currently a top ten guy
because there are at least ten other guys that if
you looked at it fairly, you'd say we can get
this guy.
Speaker 4 (34:49):
Yeah, we'll take it. Mike.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
Always a pleasure. We'll talk to you next week. Thanks guys,
you back, Mike A lot to chew on there that
Mike just talked about. We'll do that coming up next
on ninety three point three Kjar Now back.
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Speaker 1 (35:22):
Well, Mike Florio threw a floury out of there at
the end. Hugh I thought that his take on the
RAMS was a pretty good one. That if the Rams
are going to bring Aaron Donald in, it does make
a lot more sense for them to do it when
thirty two training camps are being covered by the national
media instead of at a time where there's nothing going
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on in the NFL. And now does that translate you're
the NFL player, I mean, does that translate? Does that
help the RAMS be more motivated to take the slings
and arrows from the other competitors in the NFL if
they're not, If the story isn't cover as much versus
if it is, does that matter?
Speaker 3 (36:05):
That's a stretch that didn't really pass my sniff test.
I think that the Rams are high profile enough. They
obviously play in a high profile city. Aaron Donald is
a lock Hall of Famer, you know, that has a
super Bowl ring in his own right. I mean, he's
he's gonna be a big story no matter what. Okay,
So yes, I will grant him that it'll be a
(36:29):
it will be less of a story if he signs
in ten days. But I don't know that that materially
changes anything from a motivation standpoint for either team. I mean,
if you have to contend with Aaron Donald, you have
to contend with him. And let's see what version of
Aaron Donald is he is he is ninety you know,
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is he ninety five percent? Is he ninety nine percent?
Is he seventy nine percent? You know, we're just gonna
have to watch the tape see how he plays. I
would assume that they would have less reps for him,
that they kind of specialize, pace him throughout the game
and let him be involved in the most impactful plays
if he's you know, deserving of those reps. So until
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we see what kind of shape and stature he's in,
I think we're all just kind of waiting. It would
all be conjectures.
Speaker 1 (37:19):
Jackson and I were debating this the other day because
Jackson was talking about what he was like lifting up
his wife or his girlfriend with one arm or something
like that out here like all the like there's all
these you know, the workout warrior videos out there, and
I'm like, cool, he's really strong. He's still really strong.
Can he still be an elite defensive tackle in the
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NFL two years after not taking a snap? I have
a tough time believing that. But that's just me. I mean,
how two years off in your thirties, how likely is
it that he can even be close? It can be
ninety percent.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
Of erring Don.
Speaker 3 (37:57):
I don't know if it's the two years off. It's
just that the natural aging part, right. Is he as
quick as he is explosive?
Speaker 2 (38:06):
I think I.
Speaker 3 (38:06):
Think his his in game, you know, instincts where the
ball is and what have you, the speed of the game.
His mind will probably catch up earlier. It's just okay,
just that, as I said, the quickness, the explosiveness that
marked his game, because remember now he's he's a short guy.
He was still you know, in the twenty eight drafts
(38:27):
that we've done. I kicked myself on three drafts, and
the one that I kicked the most, myself the most
that I was just asleep at the wheel, flat out
of sleep at the wheel. As Aaron Donald. I remember him.
He was about the twelfth or thirteenth pick. Rams were
still in Saint Louis, if I remember, and you know
I studied for him. He played a pitt, you know,
(38:49):
prepared the draft. I remember doing, you know, commenting on him.
I just I just did not see it coming that
he would be that great. And we're talking about in
the discussion, well it.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
Is going to be that great or he would have
been the number one pick of the draft.
Speaker 3 (39:03):
No, well, well I would just say I didn't even
see a shadow of that company, right, you know, you
know when he got drafted in thirteenth, I remember thinking, yeah,
that's about right.
Speaker 2 (39:14):
I'm not surprised either way on that. And then he
just blew the top off of all of it.
Speaker 1 (39:19):
We got a plethora of fun with audio, So we're
going to break right now and get back to it.
We got a lot to get to a softy in
deck without the soft one. Hue was here, Jackson is here,
on ninety three point three KJRFM,
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