August 10, 2026 • 39 mins
In the third hour, Dave Softy Mahler and Dick Fain chat with Bill Krueger about why the Mariners continue to struggle, where all the blame gets spread, Cal’s regression at the plate, and Dan Wilson, then the guys hear Mike Macdonald talking about Terrion Arnold visiting the Seahawks before the BRC Golden Moment, Rick Rizzs getting a big honor.
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Speaker 3 (00:18):
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Speaker 4 (00:40):
Right, big thanks to our friends at the Occidental Hall,
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every game. The Occidental Hall could use a couple of
cocktails or four from the Ox Hall all that for
what we saw over the weekend. Our friend Bill Krueger
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joining us right now on the radio show to talk
about all of it.
Speaker 5 (01:06):
How are you, man, I'm good.
Speaker 6 (01:09):
I'm good. Good to be on with you.
Speaker 4 (01:11):
Yeah, always great to have your voice. Appreciate your candor,
your honesty, your approach, and I mean, why don't we just,
first of all, before we talk about some of the
stuff that was happening off the field this weekend?
Speaker 5 (01:23):
What'd you make of what you saw on the field.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
The Mariners starting a nineteen game stretch against some pretty
good teams, and they start off by going zero to three.
They get great starting pitching, but blow it all with
an offense that scored four runs.
Speaker 6 (01:36):
Your thoughts, well, they've been leaning on a couple of guys,
and if the couple of guys stop hitting, which is
only the natural course of the season. You know, if
Andy Rose Arena doesn't hit a bunch, or if Cole Young,
who's been awfully good all year, doesn't hit a bunch,
and if Canzone doesn't hit a bunch, there's not much
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there really. I mean, you have got much in the middle,
and you don't have a plan to be This team
is structured around around slugging and potential stress that the
slugging causes and stress causes walks if you can force them.
I'm not so sure some of our bigger hitters understand
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what stress can do, you know, if you can just
be a little more patient. But yeah, they're not scoring enough.
There's no question they're not getting their strength of the season.
And we can go back in time and talk about this,
the fact that they were sitting in a position where
their least starting pitching was all pitching great, and yet
they decided to, you know, slice the sixth guy into it,
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and it costs them wins and who knows how that
disrupted the rotation itself, and you know, to win with
the starting pitching they have, those pictures need to go further,
particularly when you're one shortened the pen, and we are
one shorten the pen over the weekend because the spire's
ejection and those guys that you're trying to use to
cover the ones you like are worn out. I would
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say that even with their low scoring inability or their
inability to score, they if they could have gotten more
from their pitting, had they been able to add another
reliever or been able to use Castillo in the bullpen
or whatever this scenario might have been, that would have
given him more balance. I think they'd be in a
much better position today even though they haven't swung the bat.
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And we could talk at length about each of the hitters,
and I mean, certainly cal Rawley is it's it's, it's,
it's it's like a collapse, it's it's it's hard to
fath him, right. I mean, he's not a great pure hitter.
He never was. He was a two twenty hitter after
last year. But the fact that he's just kind of
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lost himself the plate. I mean, he's just first pitch,
got to go for it. Hope it's in my zone,
swing hard. And then after that there's all this chase.
If you've got some ability to make and chase and
no two strikes ability and no willingness to stay on
the plate a little bit longer with your bat. And
if you watch some of these teams, and it goes
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back to this, as we keep being hammered. Oh you know,
you got to have home runs. That's the only way
to win. And then we if you watch some of
these teams carefully, if you watch what Toronto did, to
get to the World Series last year. If you watched
how Tampa Bay plays, if you were able to watch
Milwaukee this year, you'd understand how baseball can truly be played.
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And that's with the ability to put the ball in play,
the ability to have contact, the ability to play with speed,
and they just it's so hard to not have any
of that in your lineup.
Speaker 7 (04:39):
Well, Bill, why isn't there a plan B? Why is
there no in game offensive adjustments? Is it the players
aren't capable.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
Of in game adjustments?
Speaker 7 (04:47):
Or the philosophy of the Mariners is no, We're just
going to swing for the fences and take our chances.
Speaker 6 (04:55):
It's the players that you can't write it on the
truck board at the beginning of spring training. Today's us
and to sit into the count. Today's lesson is to
use the whole field. It's the player that you are.
That's the player that they've gone to acchoire, that's the
player that they have developed. And you know, the hope
is that as the future moves forward in a park
that's not very conducive for all runs, that you're going
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to see a little bit more. That Cole Young's done
a great job, and you have to give Randy rose
Arenas a credit for being a pretty good all around
hitter this year, just so the rest of the lineup
doesn't give you a whole lot of that, right, They
just don't. And you know, the collapse of the middle
of the lineup, and you know, you look at numbers
and Jubio he's a little bit of an enigma because
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he's able to get some hits here and there, because
he can run. He doesn't seem to know the strikes
on he swings off the plate, he gives it back
the way, but he'll run into one every once in
a while. And he just hasn't been that player that
jumps off the page at it that other teams fear.
They just don't get that from him. They prey upon
him if they're smart, you can make him chase in
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the outfield. He hasn't been that all world guy that's
you know, covering all angles of center field. He looks
a little hesitant. He looks like he's worried about colliding
with somebody or colliding with the wall. He just doesn't
look quite like the same guy. And you know, we've
talked about cal Naylor is playing with a hurt wrist
and he's not a twenty five home run guy. He's
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had some moments, then he has a big game, and
then he has a bad swing on Sunday. Now he
could be back to scratch again with the inside out,
you know, cut volley, with the tennis racket, the left field.
I don't know who knows what he's going to be
able to do. And Donovan is a mystery at this point.
Is he is He got the same game he had
to begin the season. He's just getting started on his
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season again. And to me, he looks a little, I
don't know, a little heavy maybe, But I don't want
to kick on him because I don't know the player.
I don't know him at all. I haven't seen them
much of him, so I don't know, you know, no
depths to be had. Taylor Ward has yet to be determined.
I'm not so sure that I see him as a
pure leadoff hitter. I just don't. I mean, you look
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at on base percentage and you throw them up there,
but then in the next breath, over the whole season long,
they're looking for the best hitter to hit number one
and number two because you want more baths. So it's confusing.
Speaker 4 (07:13):
Right, Well, your point about Cal, I want to go
back and revisit that for a second. Bill, We don't
need to belabor the point, so just you know, a
few seconds whatever that none of us want to, really, guys, right,
criticize Julio and Cal. I mean, they're great news. You know,
by all accounts, they work their ass off. But guys,
come on, right, I mean, this is ridiculous now with
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this season that cal Rawley is having. I mean, he
is an.
Speaker 5 (07:39):
Absolute zero at the plate.
Speaker 4 (07:41):
If cal Rawley did not have the year that he
had a year ago, he may even be demoted right
now or benched. I mean, at what point do you
just kind of ask cal dude, what's going on? Like,
is everything okay? Did you break up with your girlfriend?
Everything happening you know privately?
Speaker 5 (07:58):
Fine?
Speaker 4 (07:58):
I mean, is there something going on that we need
to discuss? You want to go to Hawaii for a
week and get out of here? Like this has been
such a disaster of epic proportions with cal Rowley, I
just think it's almost fair to kind of sit him
down and just say, what in the hell is going on?
Because Billy's hurting the baseball team with his offense.
Speaker 6 (08:17):
Literally, well, if you have to sort of resign yourself
that he is a down the lineup slugger that's going
to run into one year and there and hopefully can
strains from home bents together. That's who he is right now.
He's a great catcher, he's a great leader, and in
the catching position. Across baseball, there aren't a whole lot
of guys that really are offensive juggernauts. They're just not there.
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The game is beriffed at that. Really, there aren't a
lot of guys that hit. Batting averages across baseball are down,
so you can kind of discount average a little bit.
But like I said, you know, he's a two twenty
career hitter with a lot of strikeouts. And last year
was a magical year. He was on time. The power
just just you know, it exploded onto the scene from
both sides, and he seemed to be able to handle
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the fastball, stay back on the breaking ball. He became
an unstoppable force, right and maybe that was the best
that it ever could be. It doesn't mean he's not
a good player. He's their best solution because of his
catching ability. His ability to handle pitchers is very important.
To this team, and his demeanors is very solid. He's
a true professional. He thinks team first. He doesn't make excuses.
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He's a dream, right, He's a dream and it's so unfortunate.
It just breaks your heart. It just crushes you to
watch him struggle and he doesn't make excuses. I just
am only trying to point out the fact that there
aren't a lot of adjustments and I'm not saying it's easy. Plus,
we don't know how injured he is. We just don't know.
We don't know anything because he won't fess up on
anything and make an excuse, right, So we just don't
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know that. Okay, And again I'm not trying to overly
criticize these games. We're just sort of looking at what
we hope to get from these guys in order for
this team to be super successful and sometimes need the
collective to do more, and you know that hasn't been
always there as well.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
Bill, Where's Dan improved as a manager in two years?
Speaker 6 (10:11):
Oh? I think he's gotten, you know, better understanding of personnel,
better understanding. Here's the thing you have to sort of
come to grips with. He played a long time in
the big leagues, as a catcher, and that gives you
an amazing perspective on how the game is played. He
had to be very close to managers. And that's why
so many catchers become managers, right, because you have an
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understanding of offense, you understand pitching right, the psychology of pitching.
His manager is not being asked to make a lot
of decisions. The job of the today's manager is to
keep the clubhouse steady, to stand behind the players, to
be an extra communicator with the with the media of
three hundred and sixty times a year or whatever it is.
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And I think Dan draws the line and saying, look,
I am behind my players. I am optimistic for my players.
See that if I do that with a good team,
that eventually will be rewarded because I've stood behind them. Right,
And the script is pretty strong. It's not done by
the manager. The manager's not sorting out these decisions. There's
a lot of information that comes his way. A lot
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of stuff is sort of baked into the game. How
many pitches the guy can throw, what's the switch going
to be when we get a left handed uh uh
a pitcher coming in the game. How do we how
do we think about this, the rotation coming up, and
who's going to play, and and all that stuff gets
baked in long before the first pitch is thrown. So
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I think he's probably been able to catch because what
happens is when you haven't been managing games. He's been
out of the game. I mean, he's been an instructor
and a broadcaster. It's different to be in the chair.
The game is all of a sudden, pretty fast, and
he's not had to manage people for all that time, right,
And that's where I think it's important to put people
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in a position where they've had a chance to do
those things before they're putting this in this seat with
the ultimate responsibility. But for me, he's done a very
solid job. And this is the result of squarely decisions
with the with the starting pitching, and an under production
from a team that was expected to do more or not,
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whether Dan Wilson decided to go to the left hand
or right at this moment when quite honestly, his book
with one arm behind his back most of the season.
Speaker 4 (12:29):
Yeah, Bill, I got to ask you something because I
could I could hear people driving in their cars throwing
their hands up in the air, and I want you
to just I just want to give you a shot,
just to expand.
Speaker 5 (12:39):
On what you just said there.
Speaker 4 (12:41):
Yeah, because I think I think people hear you say
things like Dan's doing a solid job and they say,
you got to be kidding me, right, I mean, I'm
sure there's a lot of people that had that reaction,
and you know, it sounds like you're putting this more
on just the players, you know, the veteran guys for
not getting the job done. But for somebody who would
walk up to you and say, Billy, come on, man,
this team has set games under There are four games
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out in the division. They're drastically underperforming all over the place.
Why why in the world would you think Dan's doing
a solid job. Why don't you just expand on that.
For those that would have that question.
Speaker 6 (13:12):
Well, I guess you know you're held you're held accountable
for the record, but you also look at where he
stepped in two years ago, on how he performed last year.
He gets credit for that, right, He gets credit for
those things, even though he probably uh managed the same
way last year, probably better this year because he has
more experience. This is the way that managers. Managers today
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are foreman they're not decision makers, they're foreman. That's what
people just don't have a grip on. And that's not
just here, that's across baseball. The numbers are down down
the pike, and the lineups and all this stuff is
really decided by a committee, not by Dan Okay. And
you know, I guess I'll be held to that a
little bit because I don't have empirical facts. But that's
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that's the judgment that I draw from the situation. And
so if you're looking for something to uh instill spirit,
you know, I I don't know that that you're gonna
you're gonna find it. You want to hire somebody that
comes in and lights fires under people and challenges people.
I don't know that that's the direction they're gonna go.
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I think the players have to be able to pull
themselves up and be more, be better. I just think
it's it's just the unfortunate thing is the strength of
this team got collared a little bit. That's the pitching,
and that could have helped them quite a bit. And
I don't think that was dance decision. Do you think
Dance's decision to put to biggieback? You think Dance decision
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to go to six man rotation, dance, decision to do
those things. Well, that's a big part of what's going
on with this team right It's a big part and
a little bit of underperformance in the middle, some injuries.
I don't think it's Dan Wilson h enlightened people up,
or Dan's ability to use the bullpen or the bench.
I don't think that's it at all. I think it's
more of the former got.
Speaker 7 (15:01):
It bill This offseason? Would it look considerably different if
this team goes into the tank and finishes seventy five
and eighty seven versus if they rally and have a
nice six weeks and maybe finish one or two games
out of the wild Guard and there's some good vibes.
Do you think it would it change what Jerry Depoto
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does in the offseason, because if that's the case, I
almost want him to tail spin because I want real
change in the offseason.
Speaker 6 (15:31):
I think they have a very disciplined approach how how
they're going to manage this team. They've got a lead
starting pitching that's controllable. They've got two kids that are coming,
so there's an opportunity to probably potentially move one of
your pitchers to get something. Okay, you've got young players
at the brink. You know you've already seen. I think
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cold Emberson is moss like Cole Young, he's a little
too early for the task. I mean, they rushed him
up because they had a mass of hole at third
and suddenly with his long term contract, they couldn't help
themselves but bring him up and put him at third.
Where's the short stop? And now is it short? He's
played fine at short, but he's not quite right hitting
the big leagues. He was in two fifty six and
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Triple A. Is he going to be a good player. Yeah,
he's going to be a good player, just like Cole Young.
He's going to get a lot better in year two.
He's going to understand better how to hit in the
big leagues. He's going to get more experienced. And we've
got you know, a Royo coming, and Montes coming and
Johnny what's his last name, Quato.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
We got Johnny Cueto coming up.
Speaker 6 (16:38):
I'm not supposed to be the expert on the minor
league system. We have the players that and we have
an at least starting pitcher in Kate Anderson that's coming,
and he's going to step in the rotation. He's going
to be the left endor that they haven't had, and
he's going to be good right and Sloan's right behind him,
So you're going to have the ability to take a
starter and use him as a way to make a
team better rather than had to fish in the market.
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Now they have some some some real needs. I mean,
I don't know where Donovan plays. I just don't know.
I don't know. It doesn't look like he can play third.
I've never seen him in the outfield. I don't know
if they're going to resign Randy. Randy's had a good
offensive season, but he's struggled to you know, defensively. They're
going to need more speed and ability in the outfield
for sure. Right I think third base is where they're
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going to have to figure out where are they going
to go. I mean it sounds to me like a
Royo is an outfielder, they're going to try to make
him into a left fielder. That's where I said, that's
where I think that's headed, and that he could end
up being your left fielder next year. And young players
coming up and playing positions is fine, And then I
think what they're going to have to address is uh
bullpen help, that's a place where you can shop and
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third base. Now, for me, that's kind of what just
sort of strikes my mind right off the top. But
then they have the money that they saved on Castill,
so you know, I think they should be held to
the like, let's use that money, right, it's a windfall, right.
Speaker 5 (18:03):
It is real quick, Dick.
Speaker 4 (18:06):
We got to get Billy's thoughts on our boy Nolly
getting left off the top fifty list. The guy with
the most pitching appearances in franchise history, bill only middle
reliever to ever make the All Star Game, does not
find himself on the top fifty all time.
Speaker 5 (18:21):
And the reeks of pettiness to me, how about.
Speaker 6 (18:23):
You, I don't know. I know Jeff Nelson is one
of the top fifty guys for sure, no question in
my mind. And there's a lot of the hard part
is separating the player's career and his ability from what
he did as a Mariner. Right, So you do Gick
credit for being a long tenured player, but Karl Skian
has some pretty good numbers about him, about Jim Presley
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and what he did offensively, and Mitchie Sexon and then
Tino and Omar were great players, but they didn't quite
get it all done here, right, right, So there's a
lot of a lot to chew on there. But I
think and Edward dis I thought he was a miss
pretty pretty magnetic three years and he could stack that
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up against you know, JJ, and you'd have an argument
there for sure. But if you're splitting hairs with these guys,
which I don't want to do, I mean, all these
guys were great, They're all great players, they're revered players.
They all made a huge impact on Mariner history. And
some of he didn't see and some he did. It's different.
It's a totally different park. You know, The Kingdom is
way different, and the time and the style of player
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way different. Yeah, the Kingdome was tough to pitch in,
so don't try to compare numbers. Because Team Mobile even
before it was a mausleim to pitch in cold weather.
I mean, you you know, Kingdom a whole different deal. Plus,
you know, twenty five homers back in the eighties was
a lot of bombs. So there's a lot of like
to chew on there, right. So, but I think your
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point on Jeff Nelson is absolutely one hundred percent a
huge miss.
Speaker 4 (19:58):
Yeah, Billy Greats. Hopefully we'll have better things to discuss
next Monday when you come on the radio show.
Speaker 6 (20:05):
Well, it got themselves a stretch. The numbers won't let
bo of their ability to come back and get in
this thing. So you have to be a believer. If
you love the Mariners, you have to and kind of
have that attitude, and the club has to grab onto that.
You know, everybody says it's not just twenty six independent
contractors going out and operating. There's momentum that's built around belief,
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and there's momentum when good things happen, and they need
a little bit of like getting something to happen that
gets everybody going, and that's what you have to hope
and hold on to. Plus, they're going to play in
offensive parks town which could play to their favor, could
put in their favor. Their pitching is good, and now
their offense. You know, you get a ball spinning in
the air, it's on. It's gone in New York, it's
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gone in Houston, it's gone. You know, all these parks
in the on the East, it's so much warmer, right,
So I don't need to go on and on, but
you have to keep the faith in being a great
fan of baseball in your hometown team.
Speaker 5 (21:04):
Bill Krueger, great stuff. We're talking a week.
Speaker 6 (21:06):
Thank you, my friend, you my pleasure.
Speaker 4 (21:08):
All right, Bill Krueger with us. By the way, just
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Congrats to Alan Kyle, Michael, Joseph and Darren who all
knew that Bill Krueger called Dan Wilson a foreman and
not a manager.
Speaker 5 (22:36):
He's a foreman.
Speaker 4 (22:37):
He's just, uh, he's executing the best interests of the company,
Dick when he's sitting in the dugout. And look, I
think there's a lot of truth to that. Remember when
they went out and got Taylor Ward. And I might
be I am paraphrasing here, so please don't quote me
on this directly, but Justin Hollander made some kind of
comment that you know, we'll get with Dan and we'll
figure out where he's gonna hit. And I'm like, you
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know what, that's his job, you guys, you know, shot
for the groceries and you let Dan Wilson cook the food, right,
That's the way this whole thing is supposed to work.
So I do think that more than ever, And I
don't think this is unique to Dan, by the way, Dick,
at all baseball managers in front offices are more a
concert now than they've ever been.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
Can I be a foreman of the Mariners?
Speaker 4 (23:18):
Then yeah, I think they'd walk right over you.
Speaker 7 (23:25):
I think I might be able to get seven games
under with this talent on this baseball team.
Speaker 4 (23:29):
For part of it is managing egos and part of
its managing feelings, because I'm sure that there were some
guys that were unhappy, including Bryce Miller. Like you saw
Bryce Miller's reaction when they went to that piggyback thing,
and he was not happy about it. And I'm certain
that that Dan was the guy had to sit down
there and calm Bryce Miller down, calm Luis Castillo down
when he was being told he was being taken out
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of the rotation into a piggyback role.
Speaker 5 (23:54):
Blah blah blah.
Speaker 4 (23:55):
Things like that keep Cal Rowley from breaking his own
wrist on a wall because he can't hit a keeping
Josh Naylor from going bananas on somebody.
Speaker 5 (24:03):
I think all those things.
Speaker 4 (24:04):
Are more part now of a manager's job, and the
front office is sitting there almost sitting lineups, implying schemes
and strategy more so than ever.
Speaker 5 (24:13):
Lou Panella never would have put up with any of
this stuff.
Speaker 7 (24:15):
No, I mean, but again, and maybe it's less important
than it's ever been to be a baseball manager. But
it's not unimportant. Ask the Boston Red Sox, of course.
I mean if they fired their manager and they're the
hottest team on planet Earth.
Speaker 5 (24:30):
Since I'm with you, I mean, it's not nothing.
Speaker 4 (24:33):
I do think that overall, the biggest, the most important
person is the guy that builds the roster. Without questions,
that's the most important person. But I'm I'm with you,
and you know what, Look, somebody's got to pay the
price if this team misses the playoffs.
Speaker 5 (24:47):
I wonder who it's gonna be.
Speaker 4 (24:49):
Maybe they'll fire another hitting coach and we'll just be
satisfied with that season.
Speaker 5 (24:54):
Why not?
Speaker 1 (24:56):
They would? They can fire Kevin Sitzer, They can fire
Kevin sites Aer.
Speaker 5 (25:00):
Why can't they fire Kevin Siits?
Speaker 1 (25:01):
Edgar's a different, different beast.
Speaker 5 (25:03):
Okay, so is Dan Wilson. That I gots correct. These
guys are right.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
So that's what we're dealing with when you hire in house, Dick.
Speaker 4 (25:10):
I think if this franchise has any balls, they won't
let what a guy did thirty years ago on the
field to impact what they do in the In the dugout,
they big, big, absolutely ridiculous. But this is the way
these guys work. I mean, this is why a lot
of us have been ripping John Stanton's ass for twenty years.
Speaker 5 (25:28):
Now, you're getting it, Dick.
Speaker 4 (25:30):
Now you understand why people like me have had enough
of this ownership group because you and I wake up
every morning. So just like Jackson dying to go to
a World Series, does he have that same attitude? Does
he have that same desire to somebody who gives a damn?
That's why this pisses me off.
Speaker 7 (25:48):
And if we just heard some rhetoric that was even
close to that passionate, that would be a start, right,
But you never any of that.
Speaker 4 (25:56):
I love the way you handled that. By the way,
Just let the guy. Just let the monkey you have
his bananas, just like Okay, just let him, let him.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
Let's let Matt's softy go.
Speaker 8 (26:07):
Let's yea, this comes two hours after I'm done with
the yelling.
Speaker 5 (26:12):
Yeah, he did my best.
Speaker 9 (26:15):
Well.
Speaker 7 (26:15):
I figure this is different, though, Jackson, because he's done
with the yelling when it comes to the twenty twenty
six Mariners.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
But he's not really talking about the twenty twenty six.
Speaker 7 (26:24):
He's talking about the Mariner organization, so he's not done
yelling with that.
Speaker 4 (26:28):
There's only so much a guy can take. Man, we
got time for the McDonald clip here by the way,
why not. Let's do it all right? Terry on Arnold
is the big story, right, Dick. He was in town.
I guess twice. Now the uh, well, some would say disgrace.
Former lion who's being charged potentially? Is he being officially charged?
Speaker 5 (26:48):
Do we know that? I think he has been. I
think he is being charges.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
But he's got an arraignement coming up, but no court
hearing yet.
Speaker 4 (26:56):
Got you eight felony counts, by the way, some bad stuff.
But he's here visiting the Seahawks and a lot of
people are mad about that. Mike McDonald had this to
say about the Terry on Arnold situation, starting with a
question from our own Greg Giga Giga Bell, Mike, what's
your interest?
Speaker 5 (27:15):
You're possible to fit you.
Speaker 10 (27:17):
Well, it's enough right now, we had him in for
a great visit, a great tryout. It's not you know,
it's a situation where there's there's some there's other things
that are surrounding it as well. We're aware of that,
but uh, we're we're working through the situation right now.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
You know, there's there's a great visit.
Speaker 10 (27:33):
I really really enjoyed medium and uh, I think I
think he enjoyed being here. So we'll see where it goes.
Speaker 4 (27:38):
We'll evaluate situations like that where there's auto field.
Speaker 7 (27:41):
Stuff going on and he's.
Speaker 9 (27:43):
A culture you work really hard to build and just
make sure you can check that.
Speaker 10 (27:47):
Well, we're gonna do our due diligence, and there's a
lot of people in terry On's corner that that we
respect on in terms of the type of guy is.
So we're gonna work through all that and I think
we I trust our people to make the best decision
for us. And we also think this is a great
place to come work too, and that people can be
the best verse themselves if given the opportunity. So kind
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of works both ways.
Speaker 11 (28:10):
How much of a voice does Carl Scott have in
that since he was in Alabama when.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
Yeah, yeah, Carls.
Speaker 10 (28:14):
Carl is an example of Carl recruited him to my
to my knowledge, but didn't coach him. So you know,
how much of how big how it's not. It's not
as big of a relationship as you might have, as
you might expect, But he's definitely a person that we
would talk to. You know, anybody has a relationship with
anybody that we're going to bring in, we're gonna seek
that council. So this is an example of that.
Speaker 4 (28:35):
I mean, you got to hear some pretty convincing stuff
to bring in a guy for a second workout that's
facing eight felony charges.
Speaker 7 (28:42):
I think it seems like they know somebody. And again,
I'm gonna go back to the point I raised in
the three o'clock hour. There's a lot of teams on
this guy, and I don't think it's just because he's
a good player. I think I think a lot of
teams probably know what's going on behind behind the scenes.
But you know that line that he dropped there again,
and it's you know, we'll go back to the Mariners combining,
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you know, comparing the Seahawks organization with the Mariners organization.
He said, quote, we think we bring out the best
versions of themselves right when they're here.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
I mean right, that is.
Speaker 7 (29:14):
Culture, and the Seattle Seahawks have had it for a
quarter of a century. They have had culture starting with
Mike Holmgan and all the way all the way to
hear Yeah.
Speaker 4 (29:26):
Well, the team across the street could use some culture
that they've got. It's it's just incredible, man, you know,
just the the contrast between these two franchises right now.
One one team cannot get out of their own damn way.
The other team can do nothing wrong, right. I mean,
if there's ever a team that would be trusted with
bringing in a guy who's facing eight fallony charges like
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Terry on Arnold, it's the freaking Seahawks. If the Mariners
bring in a guy brught in a guy like that
right now for a workout, would they be crushed? They'd
be killed by everybody. I mean, you could bring and
the same exact guy and one team would be lauded Ford,
other team would be barbecued.
Speaker 6 (30:05):
Ford.
Speaker 4 (30:06):
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Speaker 5 (30:37):
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Speaker 4 (30:39):
I mean, there hasn't been exactly a plethora of opportunities
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Speaker 5 (31:00):
On the air. He did something good, John Stanton delivering
some great news to Rick Riz tonight.
Speaker 9 (31:05):
I am here to honor one more person, and I'm
pretty sure he doesn't know what's going on right now.
For more than four decades, Rick Riz has brought Mariner
Baseball to life for generations of fans. It is my
great honor to announce that Rick Riz has been unanimously
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elected to the Seattle Mariner Hall of Fame.
Speaker 10 (31:31):
Thank you so much, guys, this is most incredible night
of my life.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
I appreciate you so much. I'll tell you one thing.
Speaker 10 (31:39):
This beats the heck out of the talking bottlehead Oprah
I got about eight years ago.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
It's a lot better than that.
Speaker 4 (31:47):
Did anybody else besides me laugh when he said that, thinking, Yeah,
that chinzy bobblehead you get, they got a ripped of God,
thank god you gave me this because that was just
dumpe man.
Speaker 5 (31:57):
I loved it. That was great.
Speaker 4 (31:59):
Well, first of all, Dick Jackson, you two that we've
been run this business long enough to know that there's
a lot of big name broadcasters in this business that
have gigantic egos. Rick Rizz is not one of them
at all. I mean, you know, Kevin Harlan's not one
of them. Guys like that don't come along very often.
I don't use the term sweetheart very often to describe
another man. I will use that term to describe Rick
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Riz because he is a sweetheart.
Speaker 5 (32:23):
To his core.
Speaker 4 (32:25):
He's been phenomenal to me ever since I gotten this business.
I know Dick's same thing for you as well. Phenomenal
guy to hang out with.
Speaker 5 (32:33):
Jackson.
Speaker 4 (32:33):
You got to know him a little bit too when
you were in college. I think, just a phenomenal, phenomenal man.
And could not be more thrilled for him. And I hope, honestly, guys,
when he's done with this TV and radio thing, which
is the end of this.
Speaker 5 (32:45):
Year, I hope we still see him around.
Speaker 4 (32:47):
You know, Dave Niehouse never got that shot, right, Dave
Niehouse never got the shot to retire and then hang
around and come back and be a part of legends
days and autograph signings and reunions and things like that.
Rick Rizz is retired early enough where he's gonna get
his due. He's gonna get that chance to be honored
by the next generation of Mariner fans man.
Speaker 5 (33:07):
So good for him.
Speaker 7 (33:08):
Yeah, getting his due is the right phrase because he
lived for so long in the shadow of Daveney House.
I mean, it is just and that's a big shadow
when it's Davenee House. And it is awesome that he
is now. Really for a new generation of Mariner fans. Yes,
for our generation we had Riz and Knee House, but
for the new generation of fans.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
Rick Riz is there, Dave nee House.
Speaker 7 (33:29):
For anybody that's like thirty and under, Rick Rizz is
the guy, and I'm glad he is getting that opportunity
to be seen as a Hall of Famer because he is.
Speaker 5 (33:37):
Yeah, Daveney House.
Speaker 4 (33:39):
Whe did he pass away by the way, what twenty eleven,
twenty eleven, Yeah, twenty ten, twenty ten. So, Dick, you're right,
there was sixteen years ago. If you're in your mid
twenties right now, maybe you remember him, maybe yeah, but
you're right. I mean you're talking mid to late twenties.
Rick Rizz was the guy. He was the man. So
you know, I think gold Smith is starting to pick
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up some momentum, right, I mean this is starting to
become and it really will be his team, right when
Rick Riz retires, it'll be Aaron Goldsmith's team. And you know, look,
it's just not been in Rizz's personality. He's like the
most positive p D walk of the face of the earth.
But it's fine because it's him. Dave nee House was
a grumpy, salty bastard at times, which is fine because
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it was him. Aaron Goldsmith kind of feels like a
hybrid a little bit.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
Yeah, he's got a little edge to him. I mean,
I've been noticing like he is.
Speaker 7 (34:28):
Oh yea, he is throwing out a lot of negative
Mariners stats recently.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
I don't remember him doing that much before.
Speaker 4 (34:35):
And it's not even the stats. You're exactly right, but
it's just you can hear the frustration in his voice.
Speaker 5 (34:42):
Yes, and that's what I'm talking about, Jackson.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
Well, we do.
Speaker 8 (34:45):
We aren't an age right now.
Speaker 11 (34:46):
I think we're overall in professional sports, a lot of
teams are going for cookie cutter guys. Just you your
basic play by play voice. Let's not ruffle any feathers.
And I do feel like here. Maybe it's because of
how long they've been here, but overall think I think
our teams generally have a have a cast of and
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I'm using this really broad brush for all the teams here,
but I think I am right in saying where all
the announcers have no problem calling it like it is.
I think I think Aaron Goldsmith now he's been here
long enough where he has the freedom to call it
like it is for sure, And I think we see
that across I mean, ever it fits, you will call
it like it is here with the sounders, Danny Jackson
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will call it like it is, and I think that
I don't know if a lot of other cities really
have that, where they really have play by play voices
who are no longer the cookie cutter.
Speaker 8 (35:36):
They're people who will actually speak.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
To And I think the longer that you're doing it
help sure. You know, I.
Speaker 7 (35:43):
Feel much more calm, confident, you know, saying how I
feel than I was ten years.
Speaker 5 (35:48):
I hope the least.
Speaker 4 (35:49):
I hope the least does that with the Huskies' great
I heard your storm broadcast the other day.
Speaker 5 (35:54):
I was shocked at how critical you were. This guy suck.
Speaker 4 (35:59):
I mean, kids better than what I'm seeing that. I mean, guys,
That's exactly it, which is why. And it's easy for
me to say it because I don't own the team
or hire the broadcasters. But outside of your own feelings,
in your own ego, why would you not want a
broadcaster to give the fans listening what they want because
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if they get what they want, they're more apt to
tune in more. Don't you want people watching? Don't you
want people listening? You want a fluff fest? Or do
you want these people to seem like they're real and
they're just as mad, were just as excited to buy
him when things aren't going well.
Speaker 1 (36:38):
Do you want them to feel the pain that you
are feeling?
Speaker 4 (36:41):
So but a lot of owners don't think like that.
They got they got egos, they're sensitive. I can't have
somebody criticizing me, criticizing the frenchise, but you kidding me why?
Speaker 11 (36:53):
This kind of goes to the thing of and we
we the three of us have debated this so much
over what happens when the opposed team makes a big play?
Speaker 8 (37:01):
Do you call it straight up? Or do you are
you down?
Speaker 11 (37:05):
When yesterday, right yesterday, the Rain, I was doing the
Rain playff play. They're leading two to one and the
LA team scores a ridiculous goal that's just.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
Absolutely over the top.
Speaker 11 (37:18):
Sports Center top ten worthy, and the way I called
it was wow, Like that's wow, that's an amazing for
you because there the reality is like everybody listening who's
a Rain fan, who's listening, is gonna.
Speaker 8 (37:31):
Be like thinking, damn, really, like come on.
Speaker 4 (37:35):
Yeah, you you you you voiced frustration over what happened,
but you were saying like wow, so acknowledged what happened. Yeah,
you blend it I I just look, you guys do
whatever you damn will want, all right, Obviously you're your
own people.
Speaker 5 (37:50):
You do whatever you want.
Speaker 4 (37:51):
I want a broadcaster to be just as pissed off
as I am when something's not going well.
Speaker 5 (37:56):
And this original conversation came up, was it was it
Colden Emerson? What did he do? It was the White
Sox game. Firme first home run?
Speaker 4 (38:04):
And you guys are telling me the White Sox announcers
should have been more like I guess, you know, uh, respectful,
more acknowledging of the moment. Yeah, I'm like, why it
just ruined the game? For what do they They don't
care about cold Emerson hitting a home run. It means
nothing to them. But I think the game is over.
They lost the game. But Jackson, that's not what I
think at all. I and again, you guys do whatever
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you want. I don't care for my own broadcasters to
be kissing the ass of the opponent unless it's something unbelievable,
and Cold Emerson hitting a home run does not qualify
as unbelieving.
Speaker 8 (38:37):
There's a difference between tone and warding.
Speaker 11 (38:39):
I think the tone can be like, well, that sucks,
but the warning can be like, that's his first home run.
Speaker 8 (38:46):
Hell of a moment for the kid. And I think, also,
that's that's what I would have say.
Speaker 1 (38:49):
I thought it was the West Sox broadcast.
Speaker 7 (38:51):
I think it's key on when it happens in the
game too, Like, for example, if Caitlin Clark gets three
threes in a row in like thirty seconds and I'm like, unbelievable,
she is going nuts. If she hits a three to
win the game over the Storm, I'm not gonna be
excited before.
Speaker 4 (39:08):
Yeah, well good again. I just that that's what I want.
I just I want my guys and my goals on
the air to be just as fired up and just
as pissed as I am. And if that's not what
they want to do as a broadcaster, that's on them.
And then I've got the ability as a listener or
a viewer to say, Okay, I'm good, I'll pass and
I'll do something else.
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Speaker 4 (00:40):
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joining us right now on the radio show to talk
about all of it.
Speaker 5 (01:06):
How are you, man, I'm good.
Speaker 6 (01:09):
I'm good. Good to be on with you.
Speaker 4 (01:11):
Yeah, always great to have your voice. Appreciate your candor,
your honesty, your approach, and I mean, why don't we just,
first of all, before we talk about some of the
stuff that was happening off the field this weekend?
Speaker 5 (01:23):
What'd you make of what you saw on the field.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
The Mariners starting a nineteen game stretch against some pretty
good teams, and they start off by going zero to three.
They get great starting pitching, but blow it all with
an offense that scored four runs.
Speaker 6 (01:36):
Your thoughts, well, they've been leaning on a couple of guys,
and if the couple of guys stop hitting, which is
only the natural course of the season. You know, if
Andy Rose Arena doesn't hit a bunch, or if Cole Young,
who's been awfully good all year, doesn't hit a bunch,
and if Canzone doesn't hit a bunch, there's not much
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there really. I mean, you have got much in the middle,
and you don't have a plan to be This team
is structured around around slugging and potential stress that the
slugging causes and stress causes walks if you can force them.
I'm not so sure some of our bigger hitters understand
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what stress can do, you know, if you can just
be a little more patient. But yeah, they're not scoring enough.
There's no question they're not getting their strength of the season.
And we can go back in time and talk about this,
the fact that they were sitting in a position where
their least starting pitching was all pitching great, and yet
they decided to, you know, slice the sixth guy into it,
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and it costs them wins and who knows how that
disrupted the rotation itself, and you know, to win with
the starting pitching they have, those pictures need to go further,
particularly when you're one shortened the pen, and we are
one shorten the pen over the weekend because the spire's
ejection and those guys that you're trying to use to
cover the ones you like are worn out. I would
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say that even with their low scoring inability or their
inability to score, they if they could have gotten more
from their pitting, had they been able to add another
reliever or been able to use Castillo in the bullpen
or whatever this scenario might have been, that would have
given him more balance. I think they'd be in a
much better position today even though they haven't swung the bat.
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And we could talk at length about each of the hitters,
and I mean, certainly cal Rawley is it's it's, it's,
it's it's like a collapse, it's it's it's hard to
fath him, right. I mean, he's not a great pure hitter.
He never was. He was a two twenty hitter after
last year. But the fact that he's just kind of
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lost himself the plate. I mean, he's just first pitch,
got to go for it. Hope it's in my zone,
swing hard. And then after that there's all this chase.
If you've got some ability to make and chase and
no two strikes ability and no willingness to stay on
the plate a little bit longer with your bat. And
if you watch some of these teams, and it goes
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back to this, as we keep being hammered. Oh you know,
you got to have home runs. That's the only way
to win. And then we if you watch some of
these teams carefully, if you watch what Toronto did, to
get to the World Series last year. If you watched
how Tampa Bay plays, if you were able to watch
Milwaukee this year, you'd understand how baseball can truly be played.
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And that's with the ability to put the ball in play,
the ability to have contact, the ability to play with speed,
and they just it's so hard to not have any
of that in your lineup.
Speaker 7 (04:39):
Well, Bill, why isn't there a plan B? Why is
there no in game offensive adjustments? Is it the players
aren't capable.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
Of in game adjustments?
Speaker 7 (04:47):
Or the philosophy of the Mariners is no, We're just
going to swing for the fences and take our chances.
Speaker 6 (04:55):
It's the players that you can't write it on the
truck board at the beginning of spring training. Today's us
and to sit into the count. Today's lesson is to
use the whole field. It's the player that you are.
That's the player that they've gone to acchoire, that's the
player that they have developed. And you know, the hope
is that as the future moves forward in a park
that's not very conducive for all runs, that you're going
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to see a little bit more. That Cole Young's done
a great job, and you have to give Randy rose
Arenas a credit for being a pretty good all around
hitter this year, just so the rest of the lineup
doesn't give you a whole lot of that, right, They
just don't. And you know, the collapse of the middle
of the lineup, and you know, you look at numbers
and Jubio he's a little bit of an enigma because
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he's able to get some hits here and there, because
he can run. He doesn't seem to know the strikes
on he swings off the plate, he gives it back
the way, but he'll run into one every once in
a while. And he just hasn't been that player that
jumps off the page at it that other teams fear.
They just don't get that from him. They prey upon
him if they're smart, you can make him chase in
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the outfield. He hasn't been that all world guy that's
you know, covering all angles of center field. He looks
a little hesitant. He looks like he's worried about colliding
with somebody or colliding with the wall. He just doesn't
look quite like the same guy. And you know, we've
talked about cal Naylor is playing with a hurt wrist
and he's not a twenty five home run guy. He's
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had some moments, then he has a big game, and
then he has a bad swing on Sunday. Now he
could be back to scratch again with the inside out,
you know, cut volley, with the tennis racket, the left field.
I don't know who knows what he's going to be
able to do. And Donovan is a mystery at this point.
Is he is He got the same game he had
to begin the season. He's just getting started on his
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season again. And to me, he looks a little, I
don't know, a little heavy maybe, But I don't want
to kick on him because I don't know the player.
I don't know him at all. I haven't seen them
much of him, so I don't know, you know, no
depths to be had. Taylor Ward has yet to be determined.
I'm not so sure that I see him as a
pure leadoff hitter. I just don't. I mean, you look
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at on base percentage and you throw them up there,
but then in the next breath, over the whole season long,
they're looking for the best hitter to hit number one
and number two because you want more baths. So it's confusing.
Speaker 4 (07:13):
Right, Well, your point about Cal, I want to go
back and revisit that for a second. Bill, We don't
need to belabor the point, so just you know, a
few seconds whatever that none of us want to, really, guys, right,
criticize Julio and Cal. I mean, they're great news. You know,
by all accounts, they work their ass off. But guys,
come on, right, I mean, this is ridiculous now with
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this season that cal Rawley is having. I mean, he
is an.
Speaker 5 (07:39):
Absolute zero at the plate.
Speaker 4 (07:41):
If cal Rawley did not have the year that he
had a year ago, he may even be demoted right
now or benched. I mean, at what point do you
just kind of ask cal dude, what's going on? Like,
is everything okay? Did you break up with your girlfriend?
Everything happening you know privately?
Speaker 5 (07:58):
Fine?
Speaker 4 (07:58):
I mean, is there something going on that we need
to discuss? You want to go to Hawaii for a
week and get out of here? Like this has been
such a disaster of epic proportions with cal Rowley, I
just think it's almost fair to kind of sit him
down and just say, what in the hell is going on?
Because Billy's hurting the baseball team with his offense.
Speaker 6 (08:17):
Literally, well, if you have to sort of resign yourself
that he is a down the lineup slugger that's going
to run into one year and there and hopefully can
strains from home bents together. That's who he is right now.
He's a great catcher, he's a great leader, and in
the catching position. Across baseball, there aren't a whole lot
of guys that really are offensive juggernauts. They're just not there.
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The game is beriffed at that. Really, there aren't a
lot of guys that hit. Batting averages across baseball are down,
so you can kind of discount average a little bit.
But like I said, you know, he's a two twenty
career hitter with a lot of strikeouts. And last year
was a magical year. He was on time. The power
just just you know, it exploded onto the scene from
both sides, and he seemed to be able to handle
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the fastball, stay back on the breaking ball. He became
an unstoppable force, right and maybe that was the best
that it ever could be. It doesn't mean he's not
a good player. He's their best solution because of his
catching ability. His ability to handle pitchers is very important.
To this team, and his demeanors is very solid. He's
a true professional. He thinks team first. He doesn't make excuses.
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He's a dream, right, He's a dream and it's so unfortunate.
It just breaks your heart. It just crushes you to
watch him struggle and he doesn't make excuses. I just
am only trying to point out the fact that there
aren't a lot of adjustments and I'm not saying it's easy. Plus,
we don't know how injured he is. We just don't know.
We don't know anything because he won't fess up on
anything and make an excuse, right, So we just don't
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know that. Okay, And again I'm not trying to overly
criticize these games. We're just sort of looking at what
we hope to get from these guys in order for
this team to be super successful and sometimes need the
collective to do more, and you know that hasn't been
always there as well.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
Bill, Where's Dan improved as a manager in two years?
Speaker 6 (10:11):
Oh? I think he's gotten, you know, better understanding of personnel,
better understanding. Here's the thing you have to sort of
come to grips with. He played a long time in
the big leagues, as a catcher, and that gives you
an amazing perspective on how the game is played. He
had to be very close to managers. And that's why
so many catchers become managers, right, because you have an
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understanding of offense, you understand pitching right, the psychology of pitching.
His manager is not being asked to make a lot
of decisions. The job of the today's manager is to
keep the clubhouse steady, to stand behind the players, to
be an extra communicator with the with the media of
three hundred and sixty times a year or whatever it is.
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And I think Dan draws the line and saying, look,
I am behind my players. I am optimistic for my players.
See that if I do that with a good team,
that eventually will be rewarded because I've stood behind them. Right,
And the script is pretty strong. It's not done by
the manager. The manager's not sorting out these decisions. There's
a lot of information that comes his way. A lot
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of stuff is sort of baked into the game. How
many pitches the guy can throw, what's the switch going
to be when we get a left handed uh uh
a pitcher coming in the game. How do we how
do we think about this, the rotation coming up, and
who's going to play, and and all that stuff gets
baked in long before the first pitch is thrown. So
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I think he's probably been able to catch because what
happens is when you haven't been managing games. He's been
out of the game. I mean, he's been an instructor
and a broadcaster. It's different to be in the chair.
The game is all of a sudden, pretty fast, and
he's not had to manage people for all that time, right,
And that's where I think it's important to put people
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in a position where they've had a chance to do
those things before they're putting this in this seat with
the ultimate responsibility. But for me, he's done a very
solid job. And this is the result of squarely decisions
with the with the starting pitching, and an under production
from a team that was expected to do more or not,
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whether Dan Wilson decided to go to the left hand
or right at this moment when quite honestly, his book
with one arm behind his back most of the season.
Speaker 4 (12:29):
Yeah, Bill, I got to ask you something because I
could I could hear people driving in their cars throwing
their hands up in the air, and I want you
to just I just want to give you a shot,
just to expand.
Speaker 5 (12:39):
On what you just said there.
Speaker 4 (12:41):
Yeah, because I think I think people hear you say
things like Dan's doing a solid job and they say,
you got to be kidding me, right, I mean, I'm
sure there's a lot of people that had that reaction,
and you know, it sounds like you're putting this more
on just the players, you know, the veteran guys for
not getting the job done. But for somebody who would
walk up to you and say, Billy, come on, man,
this team has set games under There are four games
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out in the division. They're drastically underperforming all over the place.
Why why in the world would you think Dan's doing
a solid job. Why don't you just expand on that.
For those that would have that question.
Speaker 6 (13:12):
Well, I guess you know you're held you're held accountable
for the record, but you also look at where he
stepped in two years ago, on how he performed last year.
He gets credit for that, right, He gets credit for
those things, even though he probably uh managed the same
way last year, probably better this year because he has
more experience. This is the way that managers. Managers today
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are foreman they're not decision makers, they're foreman. That's what
people just don't have a grip on. And that's not
just here, that's across baseball. The numbers are down down
the pike, and the lineups and all this stuff is
really decided by a committee, not by Dan Okay. And
you know, I guess I'll be held to that a
little bit because I don't have empirical facts. But that's
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that's the judgment that I draw from the situation. And
so if you're looking for something to uh instill spirit,
you know, I I don't know that that you're gonna
you're gonna find it. You want to hire somebody that
comes in and lights fires under people and challenges people.
I don't know that that's the direction they're gonna go.
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I think the players have to be able to pull
themselves up and be more, be better. I just think
it's it's just the unfortunate thing is the strength of
this team got collared a little bit. That's the pitching,
and that could have helped them quite a bit. And
I don't think that was dance decision. Do you think
Dance's decision to put to biggieback? You think Dance decision
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to go to six man rotation, dance, decision to do
those things. Well, that's a big part of what's going
on with this team right It's a big part and
a little bit of underperformance in the middle, some injuries.
I don't think it's Dan Wilson h enlightened people up,
or Dan's ability to use the bullpen or the bench.
I don't think that's it at all. I think it's
more of the former got.
Speaker 7 (15:01):
It bill This offseason? Would it look considerably different if
this team goes into the tank and finishes seventy five
and eighty seven versus if they rally and have a
nice six weeks and maybe finish one or two games
out of the wild Guard and there's some good vibes.
Do you think it would it change what Jerry Depoto
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does in the offseason, because if that's the case, I
almost want him to tail spin because I want real
change in the offseason.
Speaker 6 (15:31):
I think they have a very disciplined approach how how
they're going to manage this team. They've got a lead
starting pitching that's controllable. They've got two kids that are coming,
so there's an opportunity to probably potentially move one of
your pitchers to get something. Okay, you've got young players
at the brink. You know you've already seen. I think
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cold Emberson is moss like Cole Young, he's a little
too early for the task. I mean, they rushed him
up because they had a mass of hole at third
and suddenly with his long term contract, they couldn't help
themselves but bring him up and put him at third.
Where's the short stop? And now is it short? He's
played fine at short, but he's not quite right hitting
the big leagues. He was in two fifty six and
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Triple A. Is he going to be a good player. Yeah,
he's going to be a good player, just like Cole Young.
He's going to get a lot better in year two.
He's going to understand better how to hit in the
big leagues. He's going to get more experienced. And we've
got you know, a Royo coming, and Montes coming and
Johnny what's his last name, Quato.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
We got Johnny Cueto coming up.
Speaker 6 (16:38):
I'm not supposed to be the expert on the minor
league system. We have the players that and we have
an at least starting pitcher in Kate Anderson that's coming,
and he's going to step in the rotation. He's going
to be the left endor that they haven't had, and
he's going to be good right and Sloan's right behind him,
So you're going to have the ability to take a
starter and use him as a way to make a
team better rather than had to fish in the market.
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Now they have some some some real needs. I mean,
I don't know where Donovan plays. I just don't know.
I don't know. It doesn't look like he can play third.
I've never seen him in the outfield. I don't know
if they're going to resign Randy. Randy's had a good
offensive season, but he's struggled to you know, defensively. They're
going to need more speed and ability in the outfield
for sure. Right I think third base is where they're
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going to have to figure out where are they going
to go. I mean it sounds to me like a
Royo is an outfielder, they're going to try to make
him into a left fielder. That's where I said, that's
where I think that's headed, and that he could end
up being your left fielder next year. And young players
coming up and playing positions is fine, And then I
think what they're going to have to address is uh
bullpen help, that's a place where you can shop and
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third base. Now, for me, that's kind of what just
sort of strikes my mind right off the top. But
then they have the money that they saved on Castill,
so you know, I think they should be held to
the like, let's use that money, right, it's a windfall, right.
Speaker 5 (18:03):
It is real quick, Dick.
Speaker 4 (18:06):
We got to get Billy's thoughts on our boy Nolly
getting left off the top fifty list. The guy with
the most pitching appearances in franchise history, bill only middle
reliever to ever make the All Star Game, does not
find himself on the top fifty all time.
Speaker 5 (18:21):
And the reeks of pettiness to me, how about.
Speaker 6 (18:23):
You, I don't know. I know Jeff Nelson is one
of the top fifty guys for sure, no question in
my mind. And there's a lot of the hard part
is separating the player's career and his ability from what
he did as a Mariner. Right, So you do Gick
credit for being a long tenured player, but Karl Skian
has some pretty good numbers about him, about Jim Presley
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and what he did offensively, and Mitchie Sexon and then
Tino and Omar were great players, but they didn't quite
get it all done here, right, right, So there's a
lot of a lot to chew on there. But I
think and Edward dis I thought he was a miss
pretty pretty magnetic three years and he could stack that
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up against you know, JJ, and you'd have an argument
there for sure. But if you're splitting hairs with these guys,
which I don't want to do, I mean, all these
guys were great, They're all great players, they're revered players.
They all made a huge impact on Mariner history. And
some of he didn't see and some he did. It's different.
It's a totally different park. You know, The Kingdom is
way different, and the time and the style of player
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way different. Yeah, the Kingdome was tough to pitch in,
so don't try to compare numbers. Because Team Mobile even
before it was a mausleim to pitch in cold weather.
I mean, you you know, Kingdom a whole different deal. Plus,
you know, twenty five homers back in the eighties was
a lot of bombs. So there's a lot of like
to chew on there, right. So, but I think your
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point on Jeff Nelson is absolutely one hundred percent a
huge miss.
Speaker 4 (19:58):
Yeah, Billy Greats. Hopefully we'll have better things to discuss
next Monday when you come on the radio show.
Speaker 6 (20:05):
Well, it got themselves a stretch. The numbers won't let
bo of their ability to come back and get in
this thing. So you have to be a believer. If
you love the Mariners, you have to and kind of
have that attitude, and the club has to grab onto that.
You know, everybody says it's not just twenty six independent
contractors going out and operating. There's momentum that's built around belief,
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and there's momentum when good things happen, and they need
a little bit of like getting something to happen that
gets everybody going, and that's what you have to hope
and hold on to. Plus, they're going to play in
offensive parks town which could play to their favor, could
put in their favor. Their pitching is good, and now
their offense. You know, you get a ball spinning in
the air, it's on. It's gone in New York, it's
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gone in Houston, it's gone. You know, all these parks
in the on the East, it's so much warmer, right,
So I don't need to go on and on, but
you have to keep the faith in being a great
fan of baseball in your hometown team.
Speaker 5 (21:04):
Bill Krueger, great stuff. We're talking a week.
Speaker 6 (21:06):
Thank you, my friend, you my pleasure.
Speaker 4 (21:08):
All right, Bill Krueger with us. By the way, just
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Congrats to Alan Kyle, Michael, Joseph and Darren who all
knew that Bill Krueger called Dan Wilson a foreman and
not a manager.
Speaker 5 (22:36):
He's a foreman.
Speaker 4 (22:37):
He's just, uh, he's executing the best interests of the company,
Dick when he's sitting in the dugout. And look, I
think there's a lot of truth to that. Remember when
they went out and got Taylor Ward. And I might
be I am paraphrasing here, so please don't quote me
on this directly, but Justin Hollander made some kind of
comment that you know, we'll get with Dan and we'll
figure out where he's gonna hit. And I'm like, you
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know what, that's his job, you guys, you know, shot
for the groceries and you let Dan Wilson cook the food, right,
That's the way this whole thing is supposed to work.
So I do think that more than ever, And I
don't think this is unique to Dan, by the way, Dick,
at all baseball managers in front offices are more a
concert now than they've ever been.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
Can I be a foreman of the Mariners?
Speaker 4 (23:18):
Then yeah, I think they'd walk right over you.
Speaker 7 (23:25):
I think I might be able to get seven games
under with this talent on this baseball team.
Speaker 4 (23:29):
For part of it is managing egos and part of
its managing feelings, because I'm sure that there were some
guys that were unhappy, including Bryce Miller. Like you saw
Bryce Miller's reaction when they went to that piggyback thing,
and he was not happy about it. And I'm certain
that that Dan was the guy had to sit down
there and calm Bryce Miller down, calm Luis Castillo down
when he was being told he was being taken out
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of the rotation into a piggyback role.
Speaker 5 (23:54):
Blah blah blah.
Speaker 4 (23:55):
Things like that keep Cal Rowley from breaking his own
wrist on a wall because he can't hit a keeping
Josh Naylor from going bananas on somebody.
Speaker 5 (24:03):
I think all those things.
Speaker 4 (24:04):
Are more part now of a manager's job, and the
front office is sitting there almost sitting lineups, implying schemes
and strategy more so than ever.
Speaker 5 (24:13):
Lou Panella never would have put up with any of
this stuff.
Speaker 7 (24:15):
No, I mean, but again, and maybe it's less important
than it's ever been to be a baseball manager. But
it's not unimportant. Ask the Boston Red Sox, of course.
I mean if they fired their manager and they're the
hottest team on planet Earth.
Speaker 5 (24:30):
Since I'm with you, I mean, it's not nothing.
Speaker 4 (24:33):
I do think that overall, the biggest, the most important
person is the guy that builds the roster. Without questions,
that's the most important person. But I'm I'm with you,
and you know what, Look, somebody's got to pay the
price if this team misses the playoffs.
Speaker 5 (24:47):
I wonder who it's gonna be.
Speaker 4 (24:49):
Maybe they'll fire another hitting coach and we'll just be
satisfied with that season.
Speaker 5 (24:54):
Why not?
Speaker 1 (24:56):
They would? They can fire Kevin Sitzer, They can fire
Kevin sites Aer.
Speaker 5 (25:00):
Why can't they fire Kevin Siits?
Speaker 1 (25:01):
Edgar's a different, different beast.
Speaker 5 (25:03):
Okay, so is Dan Wilson. That I gots correct. These
guys are right.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
So that's what we're dealing with when you hire in house, Dick.
Speaker 4 (25:10):
I think if this franchise has any balls, they won't
let what a guy did thirty years ago on the
field to impact what they do in the In the dugout,
they big, big, absolutely ridiculous. But this is the way
these guys work. I mean, this is why a lot
of us have been ripping John Stanton's ass for twenty years.
Speaker 5 (25:28):
Now, you're getting it, Dick.
Speaker 4 (25:30):
Now you understand why people like me have had enough
of this ownership group because you and I wake up
every morning. So just like Jackson dying to go to
a World Series, does he have that same attitude? Does
he have that same desire to somebody who gives a damn?
That's why this pisses me off.
Speaker 7 (25:48):
And if we just heard some rhetoric that was even
close to that passionate, that would be a start, right,
But you never any of that.
Speaker 4 (25:56):
I love the way you handled that. By the way,
Just let the guy. Just let the monkey you have
his bananas, just like Okay, just let him, let him.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
Let's let Matt's softy go.
Speaker 8 (26:07):
Let's yea, this comes two hours after I'm done with
the yelling.
Speaker 5 (26:12):
Yeah, he did my best.
Speaker 9 (26:15):
Well.
Speaker 7 (26:15):
I figure this is different, though, Jackson, because he's done
with the yelling when it comes to the twenty twenty
six Mariners.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
But he's not really talking about the twenty twenty six.
Speaker 7 (26:24):
He's talking about the Mariner organization, so he's not done
yelling with that.
Speaker 4 (26:28):
There's only so much a guy can take. Man, we
got time for the McDonald clip here by the way,
why not. Let's do it all right? Terry on Arnold
is the big story, right, Dick. He was in town.
I guess twice. Now the uh, well, some would say disgrace.
Former lion who's being charged potentially? Is he being officially charged?
Speaker 5 (26:48):
Do we know that? I think he has been. I
think he is being charges.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
But he's got an arraignement coming up, but no court
hearing yet.
Speaker 4 (26:56):
Got you eight felony counts, by the way, some bad stuff.
But he's here visiting the Seahawks and a lot of
people are mad about that. Mike McDonald had this to
say about the Terry on Arnold situation, starting with a
question from our own Greg Giga Giga Bell, Mike, what's
your interest?
Speaker 5 (27:15):
You're possible to fit you.
Speaker 10 (27:17):
Well, it's enough right now, we had him in for
a great visit, a great tryout. It's not you know,
it's a situation where there's there's some there's other things
that are surrounding it as well. We're aware of that,
but uh, we're we're working through the situation right now.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
You know, there's there's a great visit.
Speaker 10 (27:33):
I really really enjoyed medium and uh, I think I
think he enjoyed being here. So we'll see where it goes.
Speaker 4 (27:38):
We'll evaluate situations like that where there's auto field.
Speaker 7 (27:41):
Stuff going on and he's.
Speaker 9 (27:43):
A culture you work really hard to build and just
make sure you can check that.
Speaker 10 (27:47):
Well, we're gonna do our due diligence, and there's a
lot of people in terry On's corner that that we
respect on in terms of the type of guy is.
So we're gonna work through all that and I think
we I trust our people to make the best decision
for us. And we also think this is a great
place to come work too, and that people can be
the best verse themselves if given the opportunity. So kind
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of works both ways.
Speaker 11 (28:10):
How much of a voice does Carl Scott have in
that since he was in Alabama when.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
Yeah, yeah, Carls.
Speaker 10 (28:14):
Carl is an example of Carl recruited him to my
to my knowledge, but didn't coach him. So you know,
how much of how big how it's not. It's not
as big of a relationship as you might have, as
you might expect, But he's definitely a person that we
would talk to. You know, anybody has a relationship with
anybody that we're going to bring in, we're gonna seek
that council. So this is an example of that.
Speaker 4 (28:35):
I mean, you got to hear some pretty convincing stuff
to bring in a guy for a second workout that's
facing eight felony charges.
Speaker 7 (28:42):
I think it seems like they know somebody. And again,
I'm gonna go back to the point I raised in
the three o'clock hour. There's a lot of teams on
this guy, and I don't think it's just because he's
a good player. I think I think a lot of
teams probably know what's going on behind behind the scenes.
But you know that line that he dropped there again,
and it's you know, we'll go back to the Mariners combining,
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you know, comparing the Seahawks organization with the Mariners organization.
He said, quote, we think we bring out the best
versions of themselves right when they're here.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
I mean right, that is.
Speaker 7 (29:14):
Culture, and the Seattle Seahawks have had it for a
quarter of a century. They have had culture starting with
Mike Holmgan and all the way all the way to
hear Yeah.
Speaker 4 (29:26):
Well, the team across the street could use some culture
that they've got. It's it's just incredible, man, you know,
just the the contrast between these two franchises right now.
One one team cannot get out of their own damn way.
The other team can do nothing wrong, right. I mean,
if there's ever a team that would be trusted with
bringing in a guy who's facing eight fallony charges like
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Terry on Arnold, it's the freaking Seahawks. If the Mariners
bring in a guy brught in a guy like that
right now for a workout, would they be crushed? They'd
be killed by everybody. I mean, you could bring and
the same exact guy and one team would be lauded Ford,
other team would be barbecued.
Speaker 6 (30:05):
Ford.
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Speaker 5 (31:00):
On the air. He did something good, John Stanton delivering
some great news to Rick Riz tonight.
Speaker 9 (31:05):
I am here to honor one more person, and I'm
pretty sure he doesn't know what's going on right now.
For more than four decades, Rick Riz has brought Mariner
Baseball to life for generations of fans. It is my
great honor to announce that Rick Riz has been unanimously
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elected to the Seattle Mariner Hall of Fame.
Speaker 10 (31:31):
Thank you so much, guys, this is most incredible night
of my life.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
I appreciate you so much. I'll tell you one thing.
Speaker 10 (31:39):
This beats the heck out of the talking bottlehead Oprah
I got about eight years ago.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
It's a lot better than that.
Speaker 4 (31:47):
Did anybody else besides me laugh when he said that, thinking, Yeah,
that chinzy bobblehead you get, they got a ripped of God,
thank god you gave me this because that was just
dumpe man.
Speaker 5 (31:57):
I loved it. That was great.
Speaker 4 (31:59):
Well, first of all, Dick Jackson, you two that we've
been run this business long enough to know that there's
a lot of big name broadcasters in this business that
have gigantic egos. Rick Rizz is not one of them
at all. I mean, you know, Kevin Harlan's not one
of them. Guys like that don't come along very often.
I don't use the term sweetheart very often to describe
another man. I will use that term to describe Rick
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Riz because he is a sweetheart.
Speaker 5 (32:23):
To his core.
Speaker 4 (32:25):
He's been phenomenal to me ever since I gotten this business.
I know Dick's same thing for you as well. Phenomenal
guy to hang out with.
Speaker 5 (32:33):
Jackson.
Speaker 4 (32:33):
You got to know him a little bit too when
you were in college. I think, just a phenomenal, phenomenal man.
And could not be more thrilled for him. And I hope, honestly, guys,
when he's done with this TV and radio thing, which
is the end of this.
Speaker 5 (32:45):
Year, I hope we still see him around.
Speaker 4 (32:47):
You know, Dave Niehouse never got that shot, right, Dave
Niehouse never got the shot to retire and then hang
around and come back and be a part of legends
days and autograph signings and reunions and things like that.
Rick Rizz is retired early enough where he's gonna get
his due. He's gonna get that chance to be honored
by the next generation of Mariner fans man.
Speaker 5 (33:07):
So good for him.
Speaker 7 (33:08):
Yeah, getting his due is the right phrase because he
lived for so long in the shadow of Daveney House.
I mean, it is just and that's a big shadow
when it's Davenee House. And it is awesome that he
is now. Really for a new generation of Mariner fans. Yes,
for our generation we had Riz and Knee House, but
for the new generation of fans.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
Rick Riz is there, Dave nee House.
Speaker 7 (33:29):
For anybody that's like thirty and under, Rick Rizz is
the guy, and I'm glad he is getting that opportunity
to be seen as a Hall of Famer because he is.
Speaker 5 (33:37):
Yeah, Daveney House.
Speaker 4 (33:39):
Whe did he pass away by the way, what twenty eleven,
twenty eleven, Yeah, twenty ten, twenty ten. So, Dick, you're right,
there was sixteen years ago. If you're in your mid
twenties right now, maybe you remember him, maybe yeah, but
you're right. I mean you're talking mid to late twenties.
Rick Rizz was the guy. He was the man. So
you know, I think gold Smith is starting to pick
(34:01):
up some momentum, right, I mean this is starting to
become and it really will be his team, right when
Rick Riz retires, it'll be Aaron Goldsmith's team. And you know, look,
it's just not been in Rizz's personality. He's like the
most positive p D walk of the face of the earth.
But it's fine because it's him. Dave nee House was
a grumpy, salty bastard at times, which is fine because
(34:21):
it was him. Aaron Goldsmith kind of feels like a
hybrid a little bit.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
Yeah, he's got a little edge to him. I mean,
I've been noticing like he is.
Speaker 7 (34:28):
Oh yea, he is throwing out a lot of negative
Mariners stats recently.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
I don't remember him doing that much before.
Speaker 4 (34:35):
And it's not even the stats. You're exactly right, but
it's just you can hear the frustration in his voice.
Speaker 5 (34:42):
Yes, and that's what I'm talking about, Jackson.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
Well, we do.
Speaker 8 (34:45):
We aren't an age right now.
Speaker 11 (34:46):
I think we're overall in professional sports, a lot of
teams are going for cookie cutter guys. Just you your
basic play by play voice. Let's not ruffle any feathers.
And I do feel like here. Maybe it's because of
how long they've been here, but overall think I think
our teams generally have a have a cast of and
(35:06):
I'm using this really broad brush for all the teams here,
but I think I am right in saying where all
the announcers have no problem calling it like it is.
I think I think Aaron Goldsmith now he's been here
long enough where he has the freedom to call it
like it is for sure, And I think we see
that across I mean, ever it fits, you will call
it like it is here with the sounders, Danny Jackson
(35:27):
will call it like it is, and I think that
I don't know if a lot of other cities really
have that, where they really have play by play voices
who are no longer the cookie cutter.
Speaker 8 (35:36):
They're people who will actually speak.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
To And I think the longer that you're doing it
help sure. You know, I.
Speaker 7 (35:43):
Feel much more calm, confident, you know, saying how I
feel than I was ten years.
Speaker 5 (35:48):
I hope the least.
Speaker 4 (35:49):
I hope the least does that with the Huskies' great
I heard your storm broadcast the other day.
Speaker 5 (35:54):
I was shocked at how critical you were. This guy suck.
Speaker 4 (35:59):
I mean, kids better than what I'm seeing that. I mean, guys,
That's exactly it, which is why. And it's easy for
me to say it because I don't own the team
or hire the broadcasters. But outside of your own feelings,
in your own ego, why would you not want a
broadcaster to give the fans listening what they want because
(36:23):
if they get what they want, they're more apt to
tune in more. Don't you want people watching? Don't you
want people listening? You want a fluff fest? Or do
you want these people to seem like they're real and
they're just as mad, were just as excited to buy
him when things aren't going well.
Speaker 1 (36:38):
Do you want them to feel the pain that you
are feeling?
Speaker 4 (36:41):
So but a lot of owners don't think like that.
They got they got egos, they're sensitive. I can't have
somebody criticizing me, criticizing the frenchise, but you kidding me why?
Speaker 11 (36:53):
This kind of goes to the thing of and we
we the three of us have debated this so much
over what happens when the opposed team makes a big play?
Speaker 8 (37:01):
Do you call it straight up? Or do you are
you down?
Speaker 11 (37:05):
When yesterday, right yesterday, the Rain, I was doing the
Rain playff play. They're leading two to one and the
LA team scores a ridiculous goal that's just.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
Absolutely over the top.
Speaker 11 (37:18):
Sports Center top ten worthy, and the way I called
it was wow, Like that's wow, that's an amazing for
you because there the reality is like everybody listening who's
a Rain fan, who's listening, is gonna.
Speaker 8 (37:31):
Be like thinking, damn, really, like come on.
Speaker 4 (37:35):
Yeah, you you you you voiced frustration over what happened,
but you were saying like wow, so acknowledged what happened. Yeah,
you blend it I I just look, you guys do
whatever you damn will want, all right, Obviously you're your
own people.
Speaker 5 (37:50):
You do whatever you want.
Speaker 4 (37:51):
I want a broadcaster to be just as pissed off
as I am when something's not going well.
Speaker 5 (37:56):
And this original conversation came up, was it was it
Colden Emerson? What did he do? It was the White
Sox game. Firme first home run?
Speaker 4 (38:04):
And you guys are telling me the White Sox announcers
should have been more like I guess, you know, uh, respectful,
more acknowledging of the moment. Yeah, I'm like, why it
just ruined the game? For what do they They don't
care about cold Emerson hitting a home run. It means
nothing to them. But I think the game is over.
They lost the game. But Jackson, that's not what I
think at all. I and again, you guys do whatever
(38:25):
you want. I don't care for my own broadcasters to
be kissing the ass of the opponent unless it's something unbelievable,
and Cold Emerson hitting a home run does not qualify
as unbelieving.
Speaker 8 (38:37):
There's a difference between tone and warding.
Speaker 11 (38:39):
I think the tone can be like, well, that sucks,
but the warning can be like, that's his first home run.
Speaker 8 (38:46):
Hell of a moment for the kid. And I think, also,
that's that's what I would have say.
Speaker 1 (38:49):
I thought it was the West Sox broadcast.
Speaker 7 (38:51):
I think it's key on when it happens in the
game too, Like, for example, if Caitlin Clark gets three
threes in a row in like thirty seconds and I'm like, unbelievable,
she is going nuts. If she hits a three to
win the game over the Storm, I'm not gonna be
excited before.
Speaker 4 (39:08):
Yeah, well good again. I just that that's what I want.
I just I want my guys and my goals on
the air to be just as fired up and just
as pissed as I am. And if that's not what
they want to do as a broadcaster, that's on them.
And then I've got the ability as a listener or
a viewer to say, Okay, I'm good, I'll pass and
I'll do something else.
Speaker 5 (39:28):
That's America, boys, America. We're gonna break
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