August 3, 2026 • 37 mins
In the first hour, Softy and Hugh react to the end of the MLB trade deadline and how we should feel about the Mariners moves. While Taylor Ward isn't a splashy player to get, he already has the highest OBP on the team. Also, will the Mariners play Ward at 3rd base? Then does anyone care about the NFL preseason and is it fun to go to a game?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
No from the Star Renols Sports to Jordan ninety three
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Speaker 2 (00:06):
Alrighty, boys and girls, here we go.
Speaker 3 (00:08):
Headlines on Softie and Dick without Dick, Hugh Millen and
for Dick Fane, Travis Moger, the Ogre back in the
studio on this beautiful Monday from the Virginia Mason Athletics Center.
Gray Zabel by the way, Seahawk guard set to join
us after practice at a matter of minutes. Headlines, of course, though,
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Cores Light as cold as the rocketed. Well, the Mariners
a couple of deals so far in the books. The
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trade deadline is officially come and gone. We may have
some deals announced after the deadline comes to an end,
but for now, here's what the Ems did. They sent
Luis Castillo to the White Sox over the weekend for
a package including a reliever and two minor league prospects,
and Taylor Ward from Baltimore has been sent to Seattle
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for reliever Alex Hoppey and minor leaguers brock More and
Harrison Kreiling. More on that than a matter of minutes
speaking of Baltimore, the Orioles sending catch sure athlete Rushman
to the Boston Red Sox. The Cubs today getting starting
pitcher Clay Holmes and outfielder Tyrone Taylor from the New
York Mets. The Astros acquiring outfielder Dalton var Show from Toronto,
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and former Mariner Robbie Ray has been sent from San
Francisco to the San Diego Padres. Soccer not good for
the Sounders, by the way. In the MLS, the Boys
have now lost a team record six in a row
after a two to one lost to Portland over the
weekend League's Cup for the next three matches. The MLS
will resume on August the sixteenth at Lumen against Vancouver
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Freight Time dev Hugh Millen join us on the radio
show Travis the ogermogor back in the studio Hume mellin
with us here on a beautiful Monday from the vMac.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
How are you, Palwitt's I'm good? Deadline day.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
It always seems like I was talking to Eaging about
this and cross talk. It always feels like we end
up in this exact same spot, and sometimes, by the way,
in this exact same room. For deadline day, because deadline
day it was either on July thirty first or a
Monday after a seawawk training camp always had begun. So
we always find ourselves here at the vMac. But here
we are again and the Mariners. The deadline has come
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and gone, And like I just said in the update, man,
there's always deals that can be reported after the deadline
passes at three o'clock, So we might have some news
that will leak later on today. But I'm curious how
Mariner fans feel about what the Mariners have done. I'm
gonna invoke the old Huey Lewis and the news song
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if this is it and they got Luis Gastillo from
or to the White Sox and Taylor Ward coming over
from the Baltimore Orioles, I mean, how do we feel
about this?
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Right?
Speaker 3 (02:44):
Do we feel like the Mariners are better than they
were last week? Do we feel like they're just the
same but maybe shedded some payroll. I don't know, Hue,
why don't you start off? You're the guest of honor.
You tell us about what the Mariners just being.
Speaker 4 (02:58):
We'd rather hear from you. You're no, no, no, You
go first on the Marque, you go first.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
I'm still formulating about Taylor Ward.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
I think we we clearly had some needs, you know,
I don't think we're uh well, statistically, it's a poor
defensive team. So I look at and uh, you know,
his his defensive war is negative six, right, right, Okay, and.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Uh but what's that he'll fit right in?
Speaker 4 (03:28):
Yeah, but his his on base percentage of all outfielders
fifty five qualified, his on base percentage is is tied
for fourth, and his slugging is uh but but his
slugging is fifty second out of fifty five.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Yes, so he's not a power hitter anymore.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
No, yeah, yeah, So I don't know, I think it
helps him. I don't think it's a splash in the
realm of a of an Baler last year, of even
a Ahennio. It's not a splash in the sense of
a Castillo in years past. So that that's on paper.
So I like that Seattle was a buyer. I don't
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think there was going to be much concern about that.
But at least there was some discussion that you might
have been a seller a little bit. You know, you
could argue that maybe you were a little bit of
a seller with Castillo, So I don't I don't think
that they acquired any big gun that just knocks your
head back. But I'm not sure if that was reasonable
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in this particular trading cycle.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
Well, and it may not be for lack of effort. Right,
we heard rumors and reports that they were looking to
shop Emerson Hancock and George Kirby along with Luis Castillo,
who obviously they moved over the weekend to Chicago for
a package including Sir Anthony Dominguez.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Reliever.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
Nolan Jones obviously has a negative one point nine combined
war the last couple years, so I'm not sure how
much Mariner fans should be expecting from Nolan Jones, especially
in the outfield. But here's the thing for me, man,
here's what this does. Okay, First of all, a couple things.
You ever realized that your wife broke something in your car,
sitting in the passenger seat, like the seat won't recline
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anymore because your wife is fiddling around with it, and
she broke it, right, one of those vents for the
air conditioner on the on the passenger side. She was
fiddling around with that, you know, doing something with that,
and she busted off the handle whatever.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Okay, okay, okay.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
You just fixed that is what you did in your car,
but your car is still as slow as hell and
it gets terrible gas mileage, meaning you got to fix
a lot of other issues in your vehicle before you're
getting what you want out of your car. You may
have fixed the cosmetic stuff, but you've got a lot
of issues still on this baseball team.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
I mean, look, we talked about this.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
You no matter what they do with the deadline, and
Jerry has mentioned this before, and I'm all for criticizing
Jerry if it's appropriate, but it's exactly right in this regard.
It doesn't matter what they do with the deadline. Let's
to do something of massive significance, like you said, like
go out and get a Tarrek Scooball for example, you know,
at a big time bat. Unless they do something like that,
it's not gonna matter until Cal Rowley, Julio Rodriguez, even
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Josh Naylor who's got a what twenty four to twenty
five game on base streak, but he's not hitting home
runs right now. They need so many parts here to
start playing to their potential that all of this for
me is just cosmetic until they figure it out. Look,
does the Taylor Warren acquisition make sense? Absolutely? I mean
you mentioned the on base percentage, right that's number one
on the Mariners right now. You just acquired a guy
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with a three eighty three on base percentage who would
lead the Mariners in on base percentage. All right, So
that's in context of what you've got before, which isn't
a lot number two. You also got a right handed
hitter who has an eight thirty nine ops against left
handers this year, which is exactly the job that Rob
Refsneider was supposed to be doing for you. So to me,
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this kind of puts ref Snyder on noticed.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
And I'm actually.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
Waiting and curious to see when he reports, when Taylor
Ward reports, and there's a situation if Taylor Ward is
not starting late in the game against a left handed pitcher,
are they going to go back to ref Schneider again?
Do they go to Taylor Ward who gets the first
crack at facing a lefty? Because this guy's coming in
here at Hugh and he's doing everything that Rob Refsneider
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was supposed to be doing for you.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
He also has the potential to at least give you
some pop.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Last year with the La Angels thirty six home runs,
one hundred and three ribi's. He was a free agent
and the Orioles gave him a one year, twelve million
dollar deal based on those numbers from last year. He
can play left, he can play third. Maybe he starts
at third until Donovan comes back. Maybe he spells a
rose arena in left field, give him a couple days
at DH, and get a terrible defense off the field.
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All those things are possible. But the frustrating thing for
me is that they went out and they got Taylor
Ward in part because Rob Refschneider wasn't getting the job done.
So let's see who gets that first crack against lefties,
and then number two getting to Luis Castillo. Look, on
the surface, the Luis Castillo deal, to me, absolutely makes
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a lot of sense. You know that I was the
one that was in favor of all year long, or
at least the last couple of months, of putting Luis
Castillo in the bullpen right and going back to a
five man rotation. You know my take on the piggyback,
you know my take on the six man rotation. I
think it's the most ridiculous thing this franchise has done
in a long time. And I think in the end
the piggyback and the six man rotation will go down
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as another clown show in the circus that is Mayor
or Baseball. And I'm glad that it's over, okay, because
I want George Kirby, Hancock, Miller, Gilbert Wu.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
I want those guys back into a freaking routine.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
Man.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
I don't want to be changing stuff the day before.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
Oh Logan, I know we had a piggyback plan for today,
but you know what, scrap that idea. Go out and
just pick your ass off for nine innings if you can.
The way they've handled this whole thing from the start
has been a tragedy and it's driving me nuts even
talking about it. So I'm glad that that's over. But
they're basic hoping that Sir Anthony Domingez can do in
the bullpen or somebody else getting elevated now that Domingas
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is there, give you more debt, for example, that that
can do for your bullpen what I was hoping Luis
Castillo could have done for the bullpen. So you got
the bullpen arm right, Whether it's Domingez or Castillo or whoever.
You got the bullpen arm, you got some prospects, you
cleared out the salary for next year. I actually applaud,
to be honest with you, Hugh, the Luis Castillo deal.
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From a final perspective, I don't know how the hell
he got the White Sox to pick up the entire
thing for next year. So they're gonna save some money.
They netted out about fourteen million for next year. Okay,
Dimingez is making ten million, so he's the highest paid
reliever in Mariner's history. By the way, this dude, first
time they've ever had a ten million dollar a year reliever.
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So I think from a standpoint of clearing out money
and making the bullpen better or the philosophy, right, that's
what all of this is all about, the philosophy of
wanting to make make the bullpen better, the logic of sound.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Did they trade for the right guy? Will find out?
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
But they got a bullpen arm, they cleared out some
money for next year's offseason, they got some prospects, and
they got a guy who they're hoping can do against lefties.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
What Rob Refschneider has been trying to do the entire year.
So on the.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
Surface these two deals, I like them both. Yeah, I
like them both, but they still have massive holes.
Speaker 4 (10:24):
They got a film, well, ref Snyder, it feels like
he's been a platoon guy, right, So correct?
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Is that?
Speaker 4 (10:31):
What we're saying about Ward is that the anticipation.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
I have no idea. I don't know what they're gonna do.
I mean I would assume that right now, he's your
starting third basement until Brandon Donovan comes back.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
But who knows when he's coming back? Right?
Speaker 3 (10:43):
I mean he's been on the verge of coming back,
it seems like for five years now with this baseball team.
So I mean, look, the guy is obviously leading the
American League in played appearances, He's playing every day for Baltimore.
He would be your starting third basement. But when Donovan
comes back, who knows what they're gonna do. Dude, I
got no idea what Jerry's playing is for this guy
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long term?
Speaker 1 (11:06):
Right?
Speaker 3 (11:06):
Is Donovan gonna be the one that spells Randy? Does
he end up dhing? What does it mean for JP Crawford?
Where does JP Crawford fit in now?
Speaker 2 (11:13):
Right?
Speaker 3 (11:14):
If he's not playing third base. He's not playing shortstop.
Where does JP Crawford fit in?
Speaker 4 (11:18):
So, uh, you just mentioned Ward at third base? Till
Donovan right, Obviously we're just learning about Taylor Ward. So
raise your hand if you if you know intricately Taylor word,
good on you if your hand is raised. But I've
got him down for one hundred and eleven games in
the outfield.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Yeah, but he's played third base before, he's played third
base before. I would think of him more as an outfielder.
You're right, but he's played third base before. So again,
I don't know what his plan, have no idea what
Jerry Depoto's plans are for this guy long term. I
think they want to have Donovan be the guy and
they want to have him come in. But I would
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think that there's also a shut that you see this
guy play some third base for this baseball team here.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
Yeah, no, all good. Probably the thing that surprises me
the most is that that Castillo's contract got picked up
right right, you know, and and of the White Sox.
You know, it just seems like it was just a
minute ago that the White Sox were the dregs of baseball,
setting records for the worst you know. So, so whatever
they're doing, they've turned it around. They've they've they've climbed
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out of the abyssal so h you know, he slots
into the middle of their rotation. He starts Thursday night.
So you know, uh, the Castillo years or year is over, right,
but you know it's still you know, you look and
you say, you acquired a eighth inning leverage guy, right
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because he's not gonna he's not gonna close over Munno's.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Right, right right, No, no, not at all.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
So it's interesting if egos weren't involved, could have you
slid Castile back into that role?
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Right?
Speaker 1 (12:58):
Right?
Speaker 2 (12:59):
Ah?
Speaker 3 (12:59):
Yes, yes, I mean but that's what I want it
all along. I wanted Castillo to be in the bullpen.
And I don't know if it's because of Castillo's ego
or because of the fact that he was making twenty
plus million dollars a year and the Mariners just didn't
want to put him in there because they eventually wanted
to trade him and they felt like putting him in
the bullpen long term would have maybe devalued him a
little bit on the market. I got no idea, but
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that's what I wanted. I wanted Luis Castillo in the bullpen.
I thought it would have made for a kick ass bullpen,
and instead they ship him off. They save all that money,
they get de Mingez, they save some cash, and they
get some prospects. So I'm okay with it, right. But
going back to the Taylor Ward thing, He's played forty
five games at third base. He hasn't played third base
in a while, but there is a history there. And
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the reason why I bring that up, Hugh, is because
look at what Jerry Depoto, when these guys have done
in the last couple of years in their infield. They
took a guy in Jorge Polanco who had never played
third base really in his life, and they made him
their opening day third bait baseman. Last season JP Crawford,
who has not played a lot of third base, they
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moved him to third so cold Emerson could play shortstop.
Does it make sense to put him in left field
and make Randy a rose Arena, dh Absolutely, because a
rose Arena is a terrible defensive player. Does it make
sense to maybe see if he could play some third
until they get an answer there? I mean, right now,
they have no long term answer at third base.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
They have none.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
Donovan, Leo, Revas, whatever. They just don't have any real
answer at third base. JP Crawford can't be that guy either.
So when I say I have no idea what Jerry's
plans are for this guy, I really mean it because
I think they've proven that all options can be on
the table.
Speaker 4 (14:40):
Yeah, and getting back to Taylor Ward, here the Mariners were,
I know, going in the weekend, I have an updated it,
but the Mariners were dead last in Major League Baseball
in doubles and triples combined. Right, got me? And they
were also dead last in terms of the percentage of
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their extra base hits that came from doubles or triples.
They were stated another way, the percentage of their extra
base hits from home runs was the highest. Now that
sounds good, but it also again let me say what again,
You're dead last in doubles and triples combined.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
So here you.
Speaker 4 (15:23):
Acquire Award who what do we say, fourth from the
bottom and slugging forth from the He's twenty. He's got
twenty doubles, no triples, only seven home runs, So his
lack of slugging twenty doubles puts him about in the
middle of the pack. Twenty fourth out of fifty five
for outfielders, but just the seven home runs. So at
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an event, well, we're learning about what he brings in
what he doesn't bring. But set there are there are
forty six out of fifty five qualified outfielders. Forty six
out of the fifty five have more home runs than seven. Yeah,
so as an outfielder, he's you know, he's in the
very bottom percentage of home run hitters.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
Well again he gets on base, right, I mean that
was appealing to the Mariners. I can't stress enough as
three eighty three on base percentage is number one, would
be number one among all qualified players. There's only one
guy with a higher on base percentage in Seattle, and
that's Donna Than But he didn't qualify because he's barely played. So,
like I said, dude, I like these deals. I think
they all make sense. The Mariners gave up nobody, I mean, Brockmore, Harrison, Criling.
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You know, the first thing I do when the Mariners
trade prospects is go to look how many of them
are in the top ten, top fifteen, top thirty MMB pipeline.
I think only ranks the top thirty prospects for each
baseball team, and more in Cryling, who they gave up
for Ward are not even near the top thirty for
this baseball team. So no harm, no foul as far
as prospects. They keep their farm system together, they keep
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all those chips together, whatever. But it is a little
bit more expensive. They're taking on some salary with this guy,
but they're saving money with Luis Castillo, so that shouldn't
be a problem even for these guys.
Speaker 4 (17:06):
Well, I knew nothing would be a problem in terms
of prospect for you, and I think all of your
listeners know that. And I say that was a smile
on my face.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
So as we're talking about that's not necessarily true, by
the way, by the way, because there was a report
out that said the Mariners were asked for Kate Anderson
for Mason, and I would have hung up the phone
before they even answered the call, all right, I said,
absolutely not.
Speaker 4 (17:27):
Well, that's a good distinction. I'm glad you brought that
to light. So again we're all we're all on the
fly learning about Taylor Ward. As you you talked about
the OBP and being fourth in the league. So then
that says, okay, well, can he turn a walk into
a double from time to time. Stolen bases on for
outfielders fifty five call fiers. The number one is twenty
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seven chandlers. Simpson has twenty seven stolen bases. You want
to be about median, you're going to be at about eight.
Mike t is right around there. He's got four. So
uh so I'm not gonna say he's slow. I don't know.
I haven't studied him. But for stolen bases, eh, you
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know that you'd like to see a guy if he's
drawn a lot of walks, you'd like him to be
a little bit more of a stolen base base.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
Yeah, he's only got twenty eight in his whole career
over nine years.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
Right, So he's not a he's not a threat. He's
not a stolen based threat.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
What he is is a guy who's gonna again, how
many times can I say it? He's gonna get on
base every single movie Moneyball? When I point at you,
you tell me why we traded for Taylor Ward. But Joe,
I'm supposed to say, well, have you not seen Moneyball
the movie?
Speaker 2 (18:41):
Because he gets on base. He gets on base. Stop
making me point to you, Hugh.
Speaker 4 (18:46):
He gets on when I said on base percentage when
I should have said gets on base.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
He gets on base. That's why they went after the.
Speaker 4 (18:52):
Hell out of people like how could I have missed
it by so much? But but uh, well, you know,
daya Cruz he draws a walk, you figure, okay, this
is gonna get interesting. You know, like there's there's players
that that can can hurt you when they draw walks.
It doesn't appear that taylor Ward is one of them.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
Well, taylor Ward's two point four war is also number four,
by the way, on this baseball team, and as on
base percentages number one. So everything's in context, right, we'll
get to a break here in a second. Everything's in
context context compared to what you already have, And what
you already have is a bunch of guys with worse
on base percentages than taylor Ward. You got a bunch
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of guys, most of them except for three, with a
worse war than taylor Ward. And you've got a guy
who is a much better hitter this year against left
handers versus that specialty guy you have in Rob Refsnyder.
So if you're looking at what they've got already in house,
this is an improvement. This is an improvement over what
you've got. Now, how do they use them?
Speaker 2 (19:55):
Left? Dh?
Speaker 3 (19:56):
Does he play any third base at all? We'll find out.
But how do they use him? How does Domingas get used?
Does that mean that somebody else gets bumped down so
he can step in and be a high leverage guy
along with Farrer and Bizarre who All of a sudden,
both those guys have kind of gone into the toilet.
All this conversation about Dan Wilson not using his high
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leverage guys. He uses them, and lately they've both stunk
in bizarre Do and Jose Ferrare. So I don't know, man.
I mean, they're gonna need another August September type run
like they've had the last couple of years to win
this thing, and I am fearful that they can do it.
I'm really concerned that they can pull this off. This
is gonna be a lot to ask for these guys
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now to get this all together and get as many
guys as they need to pull their heads out of there,
you know what, to start playing better baseball for this
team to win the West. We're gonna break Travis Theogermoger
back in the studio, hum Millin Softy with you from
the Virginia Maation Athletic Center. Scheduled to talk to Gray
Zabel at some point today, Bill Krueger Chuck Powell as
well with their thoughts on the Mariner trade deadline acquisitions.
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All coming up on a busy Monday right here on
ninety three to three KJRFM.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
Why do you like it? Because he gets on base?
Speaker 1 (21:10):
Now back to Southey and Dick at the Virginia Mason
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Speaker 3 (21:23):
All right, We're back on a busy Monday from the
Virginia Mason Athletics Center, Seahawks training camp. We got football,
by the way, on on Thursday Hall of Fame game. Caroline,
I believe Arizona from Canton O. Howe you fired up
for preseason football here on Thursday night?
Speaker 4 (21:39):
Not terribly. I'll probably watch a bit of it. I
am not as anti preseason as you. It doesn't excite
me a lot, you know. I mean, there's a lot
of baseball on in the summer, right and to watch
you know, when the Seahawk game. I know you didn't
ask me about the Seahawks, but when the Seahawks come
on to watch the prospective and special teams guys, you know, uh,
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three nights out of the summer. Yeah, it's worth my time.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
I get it.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
I sense though, that you're slowly You're not all the
way over to where I am, but you're inching closer
to where I am.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
Well, I.
Speaker 4 (22:17):
Think that it has become a worse product in the
last you know, you've been bitching bout it a long time.
I think that that you know, it's fallen off in
terms of of just whether or not you're going to
see starters play right. What happened?
Speaker 2 (22:32):
You know?
Speaker 4 (22:32):
It just it just seems like it's really devolved, and
I think the product's worse.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
Yea, And I don't know how kids today look at
preseason football, or even how fans look at preseason football,
because let's face it, man, you know, getting tickets to
a Seahot game, you know, it's it's still hard for
a lot of people right to go to a game.
I think guys like us, maybe and and me in particular,
tend to forget that we are really damn lucky to
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be able to go to every single Seahawk game, whether
with the press credential or tickets. And I've had season
tickets now for guy, we're talking twenty seven to twenty
eight years. I've had season tickets now with the Seahawks.
And you go to the you know, nine year old
Dave Maler growing up on Woodridge Hall in Bellevue, and
you told him that you'd have season tickets for thirty
years to the Hawks. That Kate would have thought that
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was the greatest thing in the whole world.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
Man. So I get it.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
But I do wonder for people that don't often get
to games, giving them a pair of preseason tickets, does
that still have the same kind of, you know, excitement.
Does it still come with the same kind of reaction
now as it did when I was nine ten years old?
Speaker 4 (23:41):
No, of course not it will, because I know when
I say, when I came into the league. But we
have to go back a few decades and what would
happen the first preseason game. All the starters would play
the first quarter and then for the remaining three preseason games,
and sometimes it would be five total preseason games. If
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you had played overseas, but as a general rule, the
starters would kind of ramp up by the by the
last preseason game, meaning seven days before kickoff, the starters
would go a first half and then a first series
into the third quarter. So you were always going to
see the starters for at least a quarter, whether it
was preseason game number one, two, three, or four. And
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so it's just dropped off precipitously in terms of seeing
the stars you want. Now, you tell me an eight
year old kid, he doesn't. He doesn't have an opportunity
to go to stadium during the regular season. He gets
to go. I suspect if he likes football at all,
he's gonna have a good time and he's going to
be looking for autographs after the game, even of the backups.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
Totally a hundred percent. I remember being eleven, twelve years old,
whatever a year it was, however old I was, and
we had tickets for an NFL preseason game at the Dome,
and Bobby Joe Edmonds took a punt back or a
kickoff back, and it was as loud in there as
I've ever heard the Kingdom sense, and we were going bananas.
So I get it, man, But I do think though,
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that the pro the product, and I'm.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
Glad that you use that word. It's really devolved.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
I mean, nobody plays right, you know, the starters don't
play hardly at all.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
Quarterbacks don't play.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
You'll see some offensive linemen go out there and play,
obviously for the number one unit. But Donald's gonna sit
the whole thing out. You know, for as much as
quarterbacks are making, they probably should sit the whole thing out.
And I brought this up to you, I think last
year that you might want to think about putting your
quarterbacks out there where Red Jersey's on, right, I mean,
what the heck if the point is to get some
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chemistry going, If the point is for this guy to
learn a brand new offense or excuse me, a brand
new offensive coordinator, maybe maybe the lingo and language is
a little bit different. I don't know if it is
or not, but the communication, right, you know, the sound
of a guy's voice and obviously is temperament that certainly
is different from Kobiak, There's no question about that. Would
it behoove Sam Darnold to be able to at least
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a couple of quarters in the preseason against somebody else,
even if he's wearing a red jersey.
Speaker 4 (26:06):
Yeah, when you first said it, I kind of scoffed internally,
just because we've been watching football that long. Then I
gave it some thought, and I think there's more merit
to it. I mean, look at some of the absurd
rule changes we've done in the interest of safety. I mean,
look at just look at the kickoff alignment, and I
couldn't stand that. I still don't like it. If I
had my choice, I would go back and kick it
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from not closer to the goal. I'd move it back
to the thirty or the twenty five so that we
didn't see touchbacks. So you don't want me to be
that the unilateral commissioner deciding all these things. But you know, oddly,
Pat Mahomes in recent era has been the guy that
kind of wants to get into the preseason games and
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get the more timing. As for wearing a red jersey,
you can diminish the risk a lot, but you cannot
take it away.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
Number one.
Speaker 4 (26:56):
You can you're still gonna get, you know, linemaning even
your own lineman pushed back and you got you gotta
run the risk that you could break a thumb. On
a helmet, sure, and the other part of it is
a defensive lineman in practice where the quarterbacks were the
red jerseys at this juncture. By the time you get
to the NFL, the coach generally doesn't say I'm not
going to say there are ant exceptions to this, But
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the coach doesn't come up and say, hey, remember, don't
touch the quarterback. He's wearing a red jersey. By the
time you get to the NFL, that isn't even stated.
Everybody knows if somebody is aggressive and accidentally hits the quarterback,
quarterback goes to the ground. Well, depending on the nature
of the coach, there's some coaches that will rip frickin'
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ass right there on the spot about hey, the quarterback
is not to be touched and screaming it like what
are your morons? You know? And so. But if it
happens in a preseason game, was it a penalty? Is
a fifteen yard penalty because you touch the quarterback? Like
accidents can happen, and a guy, a defensive end could
be wrestling with the defensive lineman getting near near to
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the quarterback. He falls off. Next thing he comes off,
he lands on the on the quarterback needs. Then the
ACL tears, you know, like Trent Green for the Rams
in a preseason game, which led to two things, Dick
for Meal crying in a press conference, and the Rams
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winning a super Bowl with Kurt Warner the backup being
the MVP of the league and the Super Bowl MVP.
So arguably the most notable injury in the history of
preseason certainly involving a quarterback, and you know, tectonic shifts
at least for that franchise because of it. But yeah,
I don't think My point is can't take away all
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the risk, even though you can diminish probably eighty close
to ninety percent of it.
Speaker 3 (28:45):
Yeah, guy can step on an offensive lineman his foot
and sprain his ankle, for God's sakes, and you know,
be out for a month and a half.
Speaker 4 (28:51):
But I'm just saying, we're specifically talking about red jerseys
for quarterbacks. You can take away ninety percent of the danger,
but not all.
Speaker 3 (28:58):
Well, here's what we're gonna do. Seahawks are still on
the field as of now. We are gonna getta break.
I think when we come back we might be talking
to Grey Zabel. Depends on what time practice raps. So
be ready for that. The number one draft pick of
the Seahawks, highest drafted guard, Hugh since Steve Hutchinson, who
I thought lived up to all the hype last year.
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I remember there was only one time last year where
I remember, and it may have happened more often, but
I just missed it. But there's only one time that
I remember seeing Grey's abel be put on skates, and
that was in the preseason opener against the Raiders. If
you remember that, there was a play where he got
pushed back into Drew Lock's lap. And I don't remember
it happening a lot, if at all, since then, so
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well then I don't. But that's the one game that
I remember, is the Raider game. The point is it
didn't happen very often with this kid. He had a
marvelous rookie season. So we're gonna come back and chat
with him. Chuck Powe will join us at some point
as well. Give us a reaction to the Mariner trade deadline.
Luis Castillo to Chicago, Taylor reward to see from Baltimore,
and that's it. Nothing else has been announced since then.
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We'll talk about schoobl to the Dodgers. Everybody's up on
arms about that. We'll get to all that coming up
on a busy Monday, Softy Hue and Moger the Oogre
back in the studio right here on ninety three three KJRFM.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
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Speaker 3 (30:31):
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here from the Virginia Mason Athletics Center, Grey's Abel seventy
six here, we will join us in a matter of
minutes here at the Virginia Mason Athletics Center at Seahawks
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training camp. And I said during the last segment that
I thought the guy had a marvelous, wonderful, amazing lived
up to all the hype rookie campaign. I mean, I
gotta be honest with you, I was thrilled with what
I saw from Gray's Abel. I remember you and I
having discussions about the competition he saw when he was
in college, you know what was on the other side
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of the offensive line, and hard to really get a
gauge until the guy shows up to the NFL. But
I thought the guy hit a grand slam freaking home
run in your number one, how about you?
Speaker 4 (31:21):
Yeah, No, I think it bears mentioning. He was a
left tackle at North Dakota State, and when I would
watch his tape from North Dakota State, you'd watch the
end zone copy because that's what you do when you
evaluate a lineman, and you'd look at the the player
across fro him in a three point stance, and it
looked like a damn wide receiver, right, I mean yeah,
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he looked fast, he looked really small and really thin
through the hips like a wide receiver should look, right,
So it was hard, hard to evaluate. And he came
in and you know he did, had a hell of
a senior Bowl and showed that he could handle that competition.
He volunteered for every drill and what have you, so
he was taken on all comers and he impressed not
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only with his physical ability in that regard, but I
think the intelligence don't underestimate this. You know he along
with Jalen Sindell's former college teammate, you know, I mean
two fists forty percent of the Seahawk conferensive lines from
North Dakota State, right and working alongside the center. That
the intelligence factor, the ability to make those adjustments to communicate,
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was a big part of why Seattle's selected him.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
Well, look, I mean he's tracking to be one of
only a very few offensive linemen that got second contracts
by John Schneider right here. I mean, there hasn't been
many that have gotten second contracts by this regime, and
he looks like he's going to be another one. He
looks like he's going to be a multiple time pro bawler,
maybe even a guy that pushes for the Hall of Fame.
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I mean, offensive lineman. Hall of Fame is really all
about all pros and things like that. But if he
can have a long ten year career as a starting
left guard in the NFL, he's going to be a
guy that will be in that kind of conversation. I
know that's a lot of you know, meet to bite
off after just one year in the NFL, but he
looks like that to me, Hugh, I mean, you know
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that I'm a little prone to hyperbole every now and then,
but he looks like that kind of dude to me,
big boy, Well.
Speaker 4 (33:21):
That's a lot of cards before a lot of horses.
So I can't I can't bite that off just quite yet.
I think that he had a hell of a rookie year.
And I mean I can remember it, like my third
year in the league, I'm playing for the Falcons, and
we had this first round receiver named Sean Collins and
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and I can't remember what cause maybe maybe in the
back we can look this up. But Shawn Collins, like
on his third game, was just going off against the Cowboys,
and you know, and and I said the offensive coordinator,
you know, point like during a commercial break, like, oh
my god, he's going to the Hall of Fame. And
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he looked at me like I was in one of
those clown cars, and and uh, yeah, that was that
was a little bit excessive. But yeah, but anyway, I
was excited for my teammate.
Speaker 3 (34:16):
But by the way, Sehn Collins went to Northern Arizona.
I'm glad that we cleared that up.
Speaker 4 (34:20):
And yeah, I got that very vital for the show,
don't ye hundred percent ground to a hall that had
we not declared distinguished that but in an event, I
I you you saying that drove me back to uh,
to being on the sideline as a young player.
Speaker 3 (34:35):
Well, but but my point is more of this, And
look I I I'm with you, all right, that's a
borderline almost idiotic thing for someone to say after your
number one. But if this is where he is after
year one, where will he be after year two, after
year three, after year four? Where is he gonna be
with that second contract when that kicks in here in Seattle?
(34:56):
And you know as well as I that things like
the Pro Bowl and All Pro when it comes down
to offensive lineman, a lot of it's based on reputation, right,
a lot of it. And if grays Abel continues to
start at left guard for this football team and we
wake up one day and we see a guy that
started sixty five games in his career, seventy five games
in his career for the Seahawks, that's how those reputations
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are built, man, Right, Because how many of these writers,
how many of these writers that vote for the All
Pro are actually watching offensive lineman and breaking them down.
They're talking to people, they're talking to other players that
played against Graysabel. They're talking to other defensive coordinators that
went up against Graysabel, other defensive line coaches, things like that.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
So it's all about reputation and.
Speaker 3 (35:42):
The longer this guy stays at left guard, and god
darn it, man, he looks like a main stay, right
And if you're a main stay at left guard on
the championship caliber team for a long time, you're gonna
be in that kind of conversation.
Speaker 4 (35:54):
Well, the guys who are making those decisions, generally, they
have their ear on the railroad tracks about what's happened
in the league. They're they're pretty in tune, but they
can't be nuanced like we can, Like we can know
the Seahawks inside now because they're one. They're our team, right,
But if you're a national guy, the Seahawks are just
worn out of thirty two. But you know there are
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some that will, for Zabel's sake, confuse causation with correlation
and and and vice versa. And so they will say,
I remember the Seahawk line being really bad, and then
they used the first round draft pick and they got Zabel,
and then the offensive line got a lot better and
so you're gonna have the benefit of the doubt from
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having Ben a first round draft pick. You're gonna and then,
as I said, they're going to attribute the improvement of
the Seahawk offensive line maybe disproportionately credit Gray Zabel, which,
as I said, that could be another ailment in his favor. Yeah, well,
you know, as he tries to garner these honors.
Speaker 3 (36:55):
David as well, for all those years that we woke
up and went on the air and talked about how
bad the Seahawk offensive line was, and how you know,
I if I had a dollar for every time I
said Schneider's got a hole in his game and it's
the offensive line, I probably have about five hundred bucks
because I've said that about five hundred times on the air.
And obviously everybody every now and then, can you know,
get lucky and you know, you know, hit a bull's eye.
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But this offensive line for me, is a strength on
this football team. And I think it's the first time
since two thousand and four into two thousand and five
when they've brought back all five of their starters from
the previous year. Because we all know that Hutchinson walked
after the two thousand and five season into two thousand
and six. So you're talking about something that hasn't happened
around here for twenty one years. But hey, let's do this.
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You we're gonna get a quick break in. We'll come
back and hopefully be joined by Grey's Abel next on
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trade deadline is officially come and gone. We may have
some deals announced after the deadline comes to an end,
but for now, here's what the Ems did. They sent
Luis Castillo to the White Sox over the weekend for
a package including a reliever and two minor league prospects,
and Taylor Ward from Baltimore has been sent to Seattle
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for reliever Alex Hoppey and minor leaguers brock More and
Harrison Kreiling. More on that than a matter of minutes
speaking of Baltimore, the Orioles sending catch sure athlete Rushman
to the Boston Red Sox. The Cubs today getting starting
pitcher Clay Holmes and outfielder Tyrone Taylor from the New
York Mets. The Astros acquiring outfielder Dalton var Show from Toronto,
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and former Mariner Robbie Ray has been sent from San
Francisco to the San Diego Padres. Soccer not good for
the Sounders, by the way. In the MLS, the Boys
have now lost a team record six in a row
after a two to one lost to Portland over the
weekend League's Cup for the next three matches. The MLS
will resume on August the sixteenth at Lumen against Vancouver
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Freight Time dev Hugh Millen join us on the radio
show Travis the ogermogor back in the studio Hume mellin
with us here on a beautiful Monday from the vMac.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
How are you, Palwitt's I'm good? Deadline day.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
It always seems like I was talking to Eaging about
this and cross talk. It always feels like we end
up in this exact same spot, and sometimes, by the way,
in this exact same room. For deadline day, because deadline
day it was either on July thirty first or a
Monday after a seawawk training camp always had begun. So
we always find ourselves here at the vMac. But here
we are again and the Mariners. The deadline has come
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and gone, And like I just said in the update, man,
there's always deals that can be reported after the deadline
passes at three o'clock, So we might have some news
that will leak later on today. But I'm curious how
Mariner fans feel about what the Mariners have done. I'm
gonna invoke the old Huey Lewis and the news song
(02:31):
if this is it and they got Luis Gastillo from
or to the White Sox and Taylor Ward coming over
from the Baltimore Orioles, I mean, how do we feel
about this?
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Right?
Speaker 3 (02:44):
Do we feel like the Mariners are better than they
were last week? Do we feel like they're just the
same but maybe shedded some payroll. I don't know, Hue,
why don't you start off? You're the guest of honor.
You tell us about what the Mariners just being.
Speaker 4 (02:58):
We'd rather hear from you. You're no, no, no, You
go first on the Marque, you go first.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
I'm still formulating about Taylor Ward.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
I think we we clearly had some needs, you know,
I don't think we're uh well, statistically, it's a poor
defensive team. So I look at and uh, you know,
his his defensive war is negative six, right, right, Okay, and.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Uh but what's that he'll fit right in?
Speaker 4 (03:28):
Yeah, but his his on base percentage of all outfielders
fifty five qualified, his on base percentage is is tied
for fourth, and his slugging is uh but but his
slugging is fifty second out of fifty five.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Yes, so he's not a power hitter anymore.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
No, yeah, yeah, So I don't know, I think it
helps him. I don't think it's a splash in the
realm of a of an Baler last year, of even
a Ahennio. It's not a splash in the sense of
a Castillo in years past. So that that's on paper.
So I like that Seattle was a buyer. I don't
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think there was going to be much concern about that.
But at least there was some discussion that you might
have been a seller a little bit. You know, you
could argue that maybe you were a little bit of
a seller with Castillo, So I don't I don't think
that they acquired any big gun that just knocks your
head back. But I'm not sure if that was reasonable
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in this particular trading cycle.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
Well, and it may not be for lack of effort. Right,
we heard rumors and reports that they were looking to
shop Emerson Hancock and George Kirby along with Luis Castillo,
who obviously they moved over the weekend to Chicago for
a package including Sir Anthony Dominguez.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Reliever.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
Nolan Jones obviously has a negative one point nine combined
war the last couple years, so I'm not sure how
much Mariner fans should be expecting from Nolan Jones, especially
in the outfield. But here's the thing for me, man,
here's what this does. Okay, First of all, a couple things.
You ever realized that your wife broke something in your car,
sitting in the passenger seat, like the seat won't recline
(05:16):
anymore because your wife is fiddling around with it, and
she broke it, right, one of those vents for the
air conditioner on the on the passenger side. She was
fiddling around with that, you know, doing something with that,
and she busted off the handle whatever.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Okay, okay, okay.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
You just fixed that is what you did in your car,
but your car is still as slow as hell and
it gets terrible gas mileage, meaning you got to fix
a lot of other issues in your vehicle before you're
getting what you want out of your car. You may
have fixed the cosmetic stuff, but you've got a lot
of issues still on this baseball team.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
I mean, look, we talked about this.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
You no matter what they do with the deadline, and
Jerry has mentioned this before, and I'm all for criticizing
Jerry if it's appropriate, but it's exactly right in this regard.
It doesn't matter what they do with the deadline. Let's
to do something of massive significance, like you said, like
go out and get a Tarrek Scooball for example, you know,
at a big time bat. Unless they do something like that,
it's not gonna matter until Cal Rowley, Julio Rodriguez, even
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Josh Naylor who's got a what twenty four to twenty
five game on base streak, but he's not hitting home
runs right now. They need so many parts here to
start playing to their potential that all of this for
me is just cosmetic until they figure it out. Look,
does the Taylor Warren acquisition make sense? Absolutely? I mean
you mentioned the on base percentage, right that's number one
on the Mariners right now. You just acquired a guy
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with a three eighty three on base percentage who would
lead the Mariners in on base percentage. All right, So
that's in context of what you've got before, which isn't
a lot number two. You also got a right handed
hitter who has an eight thirty nine ops against left
handers this year, which is exactly the job that Rob
Refsneider was supposed to be doing for you. So to me,
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this kind of puts ref Snyder on noticed.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
And I'm actually.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
Waiting and curious to see when he reports, when Taylor
Ward reports, and there's a situation if Taylor Ward is
not starting late in the game against a left handed pitcher,
are they going to go back to ref Schneider again?
Do they go to Taylor Ward who gets the first
crack at facing a lefty? Because this guy's coming in
here at Hugh and he's doing everything that Rob Refsneider
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was supposed to be doing for you.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
He also has the potential to at least give you
some pop.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Last year with the La Angels thirty six home runs,
one hundred and three ribi's. He was a free agent
and the Orioles gave him a one year, twelve million
dollar deal based on those numbers from last year. He
can play left, he can play third. Maybe he starts
at third until Donovan comes back. Maybe he spells a
rose arena in left field, give him a couple days
at DH, and get a terrible defense off the field.
(07:47):
All those things are possible. But the frustrating thing for
me is that they went out and they got Taylor
Ward in part because Rob Refschneider wasn't getting the job done.
So let's see who gets that first crack against lefties,
and then number two getting to Luis Castillo. Look, on
the surface, the Luis Castillo deal, to me, absolutely makes
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a lot of sense. You know that I was the
one that was in favor of all year long, or
at least the last couple of months, of putting Luis
Castillo in the bullpen right and going back to a
five man rotation. You know my take on the piggyback,
you know my take on the six man rotation. I
think it's the most ridiculous thing this franchise has done
in a long time. And I think in the end
the piggyback and the six man rotation will go down
(08:30):
as another clown show in the circus that is Mayor
or Baseball. And I'm glad that it's over, okay, because
I want George Kirby, Hancock, Miller, Gilbert Wu.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
I want those guys back into a freaking routine.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
Man.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
I don't want to be changing stuff the day before.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
Oh Logan, I know we had a piggyback plan for today,
but you know what, scrap that idea. Go out and
just pick your ass off for nine innings if you can.
The way they've handled this whole thing from the start
has been a tragedy and it's driving me nuts even
talking about it. So I'm glad that that's over. But
they're basic hoping that Sir Anthony Domingez can do in
the bullpen or somebody else getting elevated now that Domingas
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is there, give you more debt, for example, that that
can do for your bullpen what I was hoping Luis
Castillo could have done for the bullpen. So you got
the bullpen arm right, Whether it's Domingez or Castillo or whoever.
You got the bullpen arm, you got some prospects, you
cleared out the salary for next year. I actually applaud,
to be honest with you, Hugh, the Luis Castillo deal.
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From a final perspective, I don't know how the hell
he got the White Sox to pick up the entire
thing for next year. So they're gonna save some money.
They netted out about fourteen million for next year. Okay,
Dimingez is making ten million, so he's the highest paid
reliever in Mariner's history. By the way, this dude, first
time they've ever had a ten million dollar a year reliever.
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So I think from a standpoint of clearing out money
and making the bullpen better or the philosophy, right, that's
what all of this is all about, the philosophy of
wanting to make make the bullpen better, the logic of sound.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Did they trade for the right guy? Will find out?
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
But they got a bullpen arm, they cleared out some
money for next year's offseason, they got some prospects, and
they got a guy who they're hoping can do against lefties.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
What Rob Refschneider has been trying to do the entire year.
So on the.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
Surface these two deals, I like them both. Yeah, I
like them both, but they still have massive holes.
Speaker 4 (10:24):
They got a film, well, ref Snyder, it feels like
he's been a platoon guy, right, So correct?
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Is that?
Speaker 4 (10:31):
What we're saying about Ward is that the anticipation.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
I have no idea. I don't know what they're gonna do.
I mean I would assume that right now, he's your
starting third basement until Brandon Donovan comes back.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
But who knows when he's coming back? Right?
Speaker 3 (10:43):
I mean he's been on the verge of coming back,
it seems like for five years now with this baseball team.
So I mean, look, the guy is obviously leading the
American League in played appearances, He's playing every day for Baltimore.
He would be your starting third basement. But when Donovan
comes back, who knows what they're gonna do. Dude, I
got no idea what Jerry's playing is for this guy
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long term?
Speaker 1 (11:06):
Right?
Speaker 3 (11:06):
Is Donovan gonna be the one that spells Randy? Does
he end up dhing? What does it mean for JP Crawford?
Where does JP Crawford fit in now?
Speaker 2 (11:13):
Right?
Speaker 3 (11:14):
If he's not playing third base. He's not playing shortstop.
Where does JP Crawford fit in?
Speaker 4 (11:18):
So, uh, you just mentioned Ward at third base? Till
Donovan right, Obviously we're just learning about Taylor Ward. So
raise your hand if you if you know intricately Taylor word,
good on you if your hand is raised. But I've
got him down for one hundred and eleven games in
the outfield.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Yeah, but he's played third base before, he's played third
base before. I would think of him more as an outfielder.
You're right, but he's played third base before. So again,
I don't know what his plan, have no idea what
Jerry Depoto's plans are for this guy long term. I
think they want to have Donovan be the guy and
they want to have him come in. But I would
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think that there's also a shut that you see this
guy play some third base for this baseball team here.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
Yeah, no, all good. Probably the thing that surprises me
the most is that that Castillo's contract got picked up
right right, you know, and and of the White Sox.
You know, it just seems like it was just a
minute ago that the White Sox were the dregs of baseball,
setting records for the worst you know. So, so whatever
they're doing, they've turned it around. They've they've they've climbed
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out of the abyssal so h you know, he slots
into the middle of their rotation. He starts Thursday night.
So you know, uh, the Castillo years or year is over, right,
but you know it's still you know, you look and
you say, you acquired a eighth inning leverage guy, right
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because he's not gonna he's not gonna close over Munno's.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Right, right right, No, no, not at all.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
So it's interesting if egos weren't involved, could have you
slid Castile back into that role?
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Right?
Speaker 1 (12:58):
Right?
Speaker 2 (12:59):
Ah?
Speaker 3 (12:59):
Yes, yes, I mean but that's what I want it
all along. I wanted Castillo to be in the bullpen.
And I don't know if it's because of Castillo's ego
or because of the fact that he was making twenty
plus million dollars a year and the Mariners just didn't
want to put him in there because they eventually wanted
to trade him and they felt like putting him in
the bullpen long term would have maybe devalued him a
little bit on the market. I got no idea, but
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that's what I wanted. I wanted Luis Castillo in the bullpen.
I thought it would have made for a kick ass bullpen,
and instead they ship him off. They save all that money,
they get de Mingez, they save some cash, and they
get some prospects. So I'm okay with it, right. But
going back to the Taylor Ward thing, He's played forty
five games at third base. He hasn't played third base
in a while, but there is a history there. And
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the reason why I bring that up, Hugh, is because
look at what Jerry Depoto, when these guys have done
in the last couple of years in their infield. They
took a guy in Jorge Polanco who had never played
third base really in his life, and they made him
their opening day third bait baseman. Last season JP Crawford,
who has not played a lot of third base, they
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moved him to third so cold Emerson could play shortstop.
Does it make sense to put him in left field
and make Randy a rose Arena, dh Absolutely, because a
rose Arena is a terrible defensive player. Does it make
sense to maybe see if he could play some third
until they get an answer there? I mean, right now,
they have no long term answer at third base.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
They have none.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
Donovan, Leo, Revas, whatever. They just don't have any real
answer at third base. JP Crawford can't be that guy either.
So when I say I have no idea what Jerry's
plans are for this guy, I really mean it because
I think they've proven that all options can be on
the table.
Speaker 4 (14:40):
Yeah, and getting back to Taylor Ward, here the Mariners were,
I know, going in the weekend, I have an updated it,
but the Mariners were dead last in Major League Baseball
in doubles and triples combined. Right, got me? And they
were also dead last in terms of the percentage of
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their extra base hits that came from doubles or triples.
They were stated another way, the percentage of their extra
base hits from home runs was the highest. Now that
sounds good, but it also again let me say what again,
You're dead last in doubles and triples combined.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
So here you.
Speaker 4 (15:23):
Acquire Award who what do we say, fourth from the
bottom and slugging forth from the He's twenty. He's got
twenty doubles, no triples, only seven home runs, So his
lack of slugging twenty doubles puts him about in the
middle of the pack. Twenty fourth out of fifty five
for outfielders, but just the seven home runs. So at
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an event, well, we're learning about what he brings in
what he doesn't bring. But set there are there are
forty six out of fifty five qualified outfielders. Forty six
out of the fifty five have more home runs than seven. Yeah,
so as an outfielder, he's you know, he's in the
very bottom percentage of home run hitters.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
Well again he gets on base, right, I mean that
was appealing to the Mariners. I can't stress enough as
three eighty three on base percentage is number one, would
be number one among all qualified players. There's only one
guy with a higher on base percentage in Seattle, and
that's Donna Than But he didn't qualify because he's barely played. So,
like I said, dude, I like these deals. I think
they all make sense. The Mariners gave up nobody, I mean, Brockmore, Harrison, Criling.
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You know, the first thing I do when the Mariners
trade prospects is go to look how many of them
are in the top ten, top fifteen, top thirty MMB pipeline.
I think only ranks the top thirty prospects for each
baseball team, and more in Cryling, who they gave up
for Ward are not even near the top thirty for
this baseball team. So no harm, no foul as far
as prospects. They keep their farm system together, they keep
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all those chips together, whatever. But it is a little
bit more expensive. They're taking on some salary with this guy,
but they're saving money with Luis Castillo, so that shouldn't
be a problem even for these guys.
Speaker 4 (17:06):
Well, I knew nothing would be a problem in terms
of prospect for you, and I think all of your
listeners know that. And I say that was a smile
on my face.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
So as we're talking about that's not necessarily true, by
the way, by the way, because there was a report
out that said the Mariners were asked for Kate Anderson
for Mason, and I would have hung up the phone
before they even answered the call, all right, I said,
absolutely not.
Speaker 4 (17:27):
Well, that's a good distinction. I'm glad you brought that
to light. So again we're all we're all on the
fly learning about Taylor Ward. As you you talked about
the OBP and being fourth in the league. So then
that says, okay, well, can he turn a walk into
a double from time to time. Stolen bases on for
outfielders fifty five call fiers. The number one is twenty
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seven chandlers. Simpson has twenty seven stolen bases. You want
to be about median, you're going to be at about eight.
Mike t is right around there. He's got four. So
uh so I'm not gonna say he's slow. I don't know.
I haven't studied him. But for stolen bases, eh, you
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know that you'd like to see a guy if he's
drawn a lot of walks, you'd like him to be
a little bit more of a stolen base base.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
Yeah, he's only got twenty eight in his whole career
over nine years.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
Right, So he's not a he's not a threat. He's
not a stolen based threat.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
What he is is a guy who's gonna again, how
many times can I say it? He's gonna get on
base every single movie Moneyball? When I point at you,
you tell me why we traded for Taylor Ward. But Joe,
I'm supposed to say, well, have you not seen Moneyball
the movie?
Speaker 2 (18:41):
Because he gets on base. He gets on base. Stop
making me point to you, Hugh.
Speaker 4 (18:46):
He gets on when I said on base percentage when
I should have said gets on base.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
He gets on base. That's why they went after the.
Speaker 4 (18:52):
Hell out of people like how could I have missed
it by so much? But but uh, well, you know,
daya Cruz he draws a walk, you figure, okay, this
is gonna get interesting. You know, like there's there's players
that that can can hurt you when they draw walks.
It doesn't appear that taylor Ward is one of them.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
Well, taylor Ward's two point four war is also number four,
by the way, on this baseball team, and as on
base percentages number one. So everything's in context, right, we'll
get to a break here in a second. Everything's in
context context compared to what you already have, And what
you already have is a bunch of guys with worse
on base percentages than taylor Ward. You got a bunch
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of guys, most of them except for three, with a
worse war than taylor Ward. And you've got a guy
who is a much better hitter this year against left
handers versus that specialty guy you have in Rob Refsnyder.
So if you're looking at what they've got already in house,
this is an improvement. This is an improvement over what
you've got. Now, how do they use them?
Speaker 2 (19:55):
Left? Dh?
Speaker 3 (19:56):
Does he play any third base at all? We'll find out.
But how do they use him? How does Domingas get used?
Does that mean that somebody else gets bumped down so
he can step in and be a high leverage guy
along with Farrer and Bizarre who All of a sudden,
both those guys have kind of gone into the toilet.
All this conversation about Dan Wilson not using his high
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leverage guys. He uses them, and lately they've both stunk
in bizarre Do and Jose Ferrare. So I don't know, man.
I mean, they're gonna need another August September type run
like they've had the last couple of years to win
this thing, and I am fearful that they can do it.
I'm really concerned that they can pull this off. This
is gonna be a lot to ask for these guys
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now to get this all together and get as many
guys as they need to pull their heads out of there,
you know what, to start playing better baseball for this
team to win the West. We're gonna break Travis Theogermoger
back in the studio, hum Millin Softy with you from
the Virginia Maation Athletic Center. Scheduled to talk to Gray
Zabel at some point today, Bill Krueger Chuck Powell as
well with their thoughts on the Mariner trade deadline acquisitions.
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All coming up on a busy Monday right here on
ninety three to three KJRFM.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
Why do you like it? Because he gets on base?
Speaker 1 (21:10):
Now back to Southey and Dick at the Virginia Mason
Athletics Center and our special coverage of Seahawks training camp,
brought to you by the Bowing Classic on Sports Radio
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Speaker 3 (21:23):
All right, We're back on a busy Monday from the
Virginia Mason Athletics Center, Seahawks training camp. We got football,
by the way, on on Thursday Hall of Fame game. Caroline,
I believe Arizona from Canton O. Howe you fired up
for preseason football here on Thursday night?
Speaker 4 (21:39):
Not terribly. I'll probably watch a bit of it. I
am not as anti preseason as you. It doesn't excite
me a lot, you know. I mean, there's a lot
of baseball on in the summer, right and to watch
you know, when the Seahawk game. I know you didn't
ask me about the Seahawks, but when the Seahawks come
on to watch the prospective and special teams guys, you know, uh,
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three nights out of the summer. Yeah, it's worth my time.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
I get it.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
I sense though, that you're slowly You're not all the
way over to where I am, but you're inching closer
to where I am.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
Well, I.
Speaker 4 (22:17):
Think that it has become a worse product in the
last you know, you've been bitching bout it a long time.
I think that that you know, it's fallen off in
terms of of just whether or not you're going to
see starters play right. What happened?
Speaker 2 (22:32):
You know?
Speaker 4 (22:32):
It just it just seems like it's really devolved, and
I think the product's worse.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
Yea, And I don't know how kids today look at
preseason football, or even how fans look at preseason football,
because let's face it, man, you know, getting tickets to
a Seahot game, you know, it's it's still hard for
a lot of people right to go to a game.
I think guys like us, maybe and and me in particular,
tend to forget that we are really damn lucky to
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be able to go to every single Seahawk game, whether
with the press credential or tickets. And I've had season
tickets now for guy, we're talking twenty seven to twenty
eight years. I've had season tickets now with the Seahawks.
And you go to the you know, nine year old
Dave Maler growing up on Woodridge Hall in Bellevue, and
you told him that you'd have season tickets for thirty
years to the Hawks. That Kate would have thought that
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was the greatest thing in the whole world.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
Man. So I get it.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
But I do wonder for people that don't often get
to games, giving them a pair of preseason tickets, does
that still have the same kind of, you know, excitement.
Does it still come with the same kind of reaction
now as it did when I was nine ten years old?
Speaker 4 (23:41):
No, of course not it will, because I know when
I say, when I came into the league. But we
have to go back a few decades and what would
happen the first preseason game. All the starters would play
the first quarter and then for the remaining three preseason games,
and sometimes it would be five total preseason games. If
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you had played overseas, but as a general rule, the
starters would kind of ramp up by the by the
last preseason game, meaning seven days before kickoff, the starters
would go a first half and then a first series
into the third quarter. So you were always going to
see the starters for at least a quarter, whether it
was preseason game number one, two, three, or four. And
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so it's just dropped off precipitously in terms of seeing
the stars you want. Now, you tell me an eight
year old kid, he doesn't. He doesn't have an opportunity
to go to stadium during the regular season. He gets
to go. I suspect if he likes football at all,
he's gonna have a good time and he's going to
be looking for autographs after the game, even of the backups.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
Totally a hundred percent. I remember being eleven, twelve years old,
whatever a year it was, however old I was, and
we had tickets for an NFL preseason game at the Dome,
and Bobby Joe Edmonds took a punt back or a
kickoff back, and it was as loud in there as
I've ever heard the Kingdom sense, and we were going bananas.
So I get it, man, But I do think though,
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that the pro the product, and I'm.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
Glad that you use that word. It's really devolved.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
I mean, nobody plays right, you know, the starters don't
play hardly at all.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
Quarterbacks don't play.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
You'll see some offensive linemen go out there and play,
obviously for the number one unit. But Donald's gonna sit
the whole thing out. You know, for as much as
quarterbacks are making, they probably should sit the whole thing out.
And I brought this up to you, I think last
year that you might want to think about putting your
quarterbacks out there where Red Jersey's on, right, I mean,
what the heck if the point is to get some
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chemistry going, If the point is for this guy to
learn a brand new offense or excuse me, a brand
new offensive coordinator, maybe maybe the lingo and language is
a little bit different. I don't know if it is
or not, but the communication, right, you know, the sound
of a guy's voice and obviously is temperament that certainly
is different from Kobiak, There's no question about that. Would
it behoove Sam Darnold to be able to at least
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a couple of quarters in the preseason against somebody else,
even if he's wearing a red jersey.
Speaker 4 (26:06):
Yeah, when you first said it, I kind of scoffed internally,
just because we've been watching football that long. Then I
gave it some thought, and I think there's more merit
to it. I mean, look at some of the absurd
rule changes we've done in the interest of safety. I mean,
look at just look at the kickoff alignment, and I
couldn't stand that. I still don't like it. If I
had my choice, I would go back and kick it
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from not closer to the goal. I'd move it back
to the thirty or the twenty five so that we
didn't see touchbacks. So you don't want me to be
that the unilateral commissioner deciding all these things. But you know, oddly,
Pat Mahomes in recent era has been the guy that
kind of wants to get into the preseason games and
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get the more timing. As for wearing a red jersey,
you can diminish the risk a lot, but you cannot
take it away.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
Number one.
Speaker 4 (26:56):
You can you're still gonna get, you know, linemaning even
your own lineman pushed back and you got you gotta
run the risk that you could break a thumb. On
a helmet, sure, and the other part of it is
a defensive lineman in practice where the quarterbacks were the
red jerseys at this juncture. By the time you get
to the NFL, the coach generally doesn't say I'm not
going to say there are ant exceptions to this, But
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the coach doesn't come up and say, hey, remember, don't
touch the quarterback. He's wearing a red jersey. By the
time you get to the NFL, that isn't even stated.
Everybody knows if somebody is aggressive and accidentally hits the quarterback,
quarterback goes to the ground. Well, depending on the nature
of the coach, there's some coaches that will rip frickin'
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ass right there on the spot about hey, the quarterback
is not to be touched and screaming it like what
are your morons? You know? And so. But if it
happens in a preseason game, was it a penalty? Is
a fifteen yard penalty because you touch the quarterback? Like
accidents can happen, and a guy, a defensive end could
be wrestling with the defensive lineman getting near near to
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the quarterback. He falls off. Next thing he comes off,
he lands on the on the quarterback needs. Then the
ACL tears, you know, like Trent Green for the Rams
in a preseason game, which led to two things, Dick
for Meal crying in a press conference, and the Rams
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winning a super Bowl with Kurt Warner the backup being
the MVP of the league and the Super Bowl MVP.
So arguably the most notable injury in the history of
preseason certainly involving a quarterback, and you know, tectonic shifts
at least for that franchise because of it. But yeah,
I don't think My point is can't take away all
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the risk, even though you can diminish probably eighty close
to ninety percent of it.
Speaker 3 (28:45):
Yeah, guy can step on an offensive lineman his foot
and sprain his ankle, for God's sakes, and you know,
be out for a month and a half.
Speaker 4 (28:51):
But I'm just saying, we're specifically talking about red jerseys
for quarterbacks. You can take away ninety percent of the danger,
but not all.
Speaker 3 (28:58):
Well, here's what we're gonna do. Seahawks are still on
the field as of now. We are gonna getta break.
I think when we come back we might be talking
to Grey Zabel. Depends on what time practice raps. So
be ready for that. The number one draft pick of
the Seahawks, highest drafted guard, Hugh since Steve Hutchinson, who
I thought lived up to all the hype last year.
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I remember there was only one time last year where
I remember, and it may have happened more often, but
I just missed it. But there's only one time that
I remember seeing Grey's abel be put on skates, and
that was in the preseason opener against the Raiders. If
you remember that, there was a play where he got
pushed back into Drew Lock's lap. And I don't remember
it happening a lot, if at all, since then, so
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well then I don't. But that's the one game that
I remember, is the Raider game. The point is it
didn't happen very often with this kid. He had a
marvelous rookie season. So we're gonna come back and chat
with him. Chuck Powe will join us at some point
as well. Give us a reaction to the Mariner trade deadline.
Luis Castillo to Chicago, Taylor reward to see from Baltimore,
and that's it. Nothing else has been announced since then.
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We'll talk about schoobl to the Dodgers. Everybody's up on
arms about that. We'll get to all that coming up
on a busy Monday, Softy Hue and Moger the Oogre
back in the studio right here on ninety three three KJRFM.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
Now back to Southey and Dick at the Virginia Mason
Athletics Center and our special coverage of Seahawks training camp
brought to you by the Boeing Classic on Sports Radio
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Speaker 3 (30:31):
All right, we're back not a busy Monday right here
on ninety three to three KJRFNIC. Thanks to the Boeing
Classic for helping sponsor all of our coverage. By the way,
here from the Virginia Mason Athletics Center, Grey's Abel seventy
six here, we will join us in a matter of
minutes here at the Virginia Mason Athletics Center at Seahawks
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training camp. And I said during the last segment that
I thought the guy had a marvelous, wonderful, amazing lived
up to all the hype rookie campaign. I mean, I
gotta be honest with you, I was thrilled with what
I saw from Gray's Abel. I remember you and I
having discussions about the competition he saw when he was
in college, you know what was on the other side
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of the offensive line, and hard to really get a
gauge until the guy shows up to the NFL. But
I thought the guy hit a grand slam freaking home
run in your number one, how about you?
Speaker 4 (31:21):
Yeah, No, I think it bears mentioning. He was a
left tackle at North Dakota State, and when I would
watch his tape from North Dakota State, you'd watch the
end zone copy because that's what you do when you
evaluate a lineman, and you'd look at the the player
across fro him in a three point stance, and it
looked like a damn wide receiver, right, I mean yeah,
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he looked fast, he looked really small and really thin
through the hips like a wide receiver should look, right,
So it was hard, hard to evaluate. And he came
in and you know he did, had a hell of
a senior Bowl and showed that he could handle that competition.
He volunteered for every drill and what have you, so
he was taken on all comers and he impressed not
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only with his physical ability in that regard, but I
think the intelligence don't underestimate this. You know he along
with Jalen Sindell's former college teammate, you know, I mean
two fists forty percent of the Seahawk conferensive lines from
North Dakota State, right and working alongside the center. That
the intelligence factor, the ability to make those adjustments to communicate,
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was a big part of why Seattle's selected him.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
Well, look, I mean he's tracking to be one of
only a very few offensive linemen that got second contracts
by John Schneider right here. I mean, there hasn't been
many that have gotten second contracts by this regime, and
he looks like he's going to be another one. He
looks like he's going to be a multiple time pro bawler,
maybe even a guy that pushes for the Hall of Fame.
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I mean, offensive lineman. Hall of Fame is really all
about all pros and things like that. But if he
can have a long ten year career as a starting
left guard in the NFL, he's going to be a
guy that will be in that kind of conversation. I
know that's a lot of you know, meet to bite
off after just one year in the NFL, but he
looks like that to me, Hugh, I mean, you know
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that I'm a little prone to hyperbole every now and then,
but he looks like that kind of dude to me,
big boy, Well.
Speaker 4 (33:21):
That's a lot of cards before a lot of horses.
So I can't I can't bite that off just quite yet.
I think that he had a hell of a rookie year.
And I mean I can remember it, like my third
year in the league, I'm playing for the Falcons, and
we had this first round receiver named Sean Collins and
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and I can't remember what cause maybe maybe in the
back we can look this up. But Shawn Collins, like
on his third game, was just going off against the Cowboys,
and you know, and and I said the offensive coordinator,
you know, point like during a commercial break, like, oh
my god, he's going to the Hall of Fame. And
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he looked at me like I was in one of
those clown cars, and and uh, yeah, that was that
was a little bit excessive. But yeah, but anyway, I
was excited for my teammate.
Speaker 3 (34:16):
But by the way, Sehn Collins went to Northern Arizona.
I'm glad that we cleared that up.
Speaker 4 (34:20):
And yeah, I got that very vital for the show,
don't ye hundred percent ground to a hall that had
we not declared distinguished that but in an event, I
I you you saying that drove me back to uh,
to being on the sideline as a young player.
Speaker 3 (34:35):
Well, but but my point is more of this, And
look I I I'm with you, all right, that's a
borderline almost idiotic thing for someone to say after your
number one. But if this is where he is after
year one, where will he be after year two, after
year three, after year four? Where is he gonna be
with that second contract when that kicks in here in Seattle?
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And you know as well as I that things like
the Pro Bowl and All Pro when it comes down
to offensive lineman, a lot of it's based on reputation, right,
a lot of it. And if grays Abel continues to
start at left guard for this football team and we
wake up one day and we see a guy that
started sixty five games in his career, seventy five games
in his career for the Seahawks, that's how those reputations
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are built, man, Right, Because how many of these writers,
how many of these writers that vote for the All
Pro are actually watching offensive lineman and breaking them down.
They're talking to people, they're talking to other players that
played against Graysabel. They're talking to other defensive coordinators that
went up against Graysabel, other defensive line coaches, things like that.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
So it's all about reputation and.
Speaker 3 (35:42):
The longer this guy stays at left guard, and god
darn it, man, he looks like a main stay, right
And if you're a main stay at left guard on
the championship caliber team for a long time, you're gonna
be in that kind of conversation.
Speaker 4 (35:54):
Well, the guys who are making those decisions, generally, they
have their ear on the railroad tracks about what's happened
in the league. They're they're pretty in tune, but they
can't be nuanced like we can, Like we can know
the Seahawks inside now because they're one. They're our team, right,
But if you're a national guy, the Seahawks are just
worn out of thirty two. But you know there are
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some that will, for Zabel's sake, confuse causation with correlation
and and and vice versa. And so they will say,
I remember the Seahawk line being really bad, and then
they used the first round draft pick and they got Zabel,
and then the offensive line got a lot better and
so you're gonna have the benefit of the doubt from
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having Ben a first round draft pick. You're gonna and then,
as I said, they're going to attribute the improvement of
the Seahawk offensive line maybe disproportionately credit Gray Zabel, which,
as I said, that could be another ailment in his favor. Yeah, well,
you know, as he tries to garner these honors.
Speaker 3 (36:55):
David as well, for all those years that we woke
up and went on the air and talked about how
bad the Seahawk offensive line was, and how you know,
I if I had a dollar for every time I
said Schneider's got a hole in his game and it's
the offensive line, I probably have about five hundred bucks
because I've said that about five hundred times on the air.
And obviously everybody every now and then, can you know,
get lucky and you know, you know, hit a bull's eye.
(37:17):
But this offensive line for me, is a strength on
this football team. And I think it's the first time
since two thousand and four into two thousand and five
when they've brought back all five of their starters from
the previous year. Because we all know that Hutchinson walked
after the two thousand and five season into two thousand
and six. So you're talking about something that hasn't happened
around here for twenty one years. But hey, let's do this.
(37:38):
You we're gonna get a quick break in. We'll come
back and hopefully be joined by Grey's Abel next on
ninety three three KJRFM.
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