March 6, 2026 • 36 mins
In the third hour, Dave Softy Mahler and Dick Fain are joined by Hugh Millen to discuss Kenneth Walker hitting free agency, the Seahawks spending plans, Rashid Shaheed’s cost, Seattle’s defensive free agents, and the roof open/closed temps at T-Mobile Park.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 3 (00:18):
He is only one man we turned to for a
variety of topics. We were looking for a guy who
could give us a thought on Kenneth Walker, Rashid Shiheed
in free agency, and also break down the air temperature
at t Mobile Park based on the roof being closed
or the roof being open.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
That's the first priority.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
And the only man we could find that could handle
all of that was our buddy Hugh Breedlove.
Speaker 4 (00:44):
Millan, who joins us right now on the radio show.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Good to be with You. Sounds like you boys are
playing in the sandbox? How war you?
Speaker 3 (00:52):
You know what?
Speaker 4 (00:52):
Yes, we are every now and then you got to
get dirty.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Man, right, You got to children, I understand you've got
to get down with a steerage and then come back up.
And the regular folk, well, yeah, let's start with some
free agent talk before we get to the ear temperature
at T Mobile Park. Based on the roof, we're all
keeping an eye on Kenneth Walker. So you just what's
your gut right now, Right we're sitting here on the
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friday before the tampering period that starts on Monday morning,
what's your gut on if this guy's coming back or not.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
I think he's gone ye at this point, you know,
prior to all the inflection points being exhausted, you know,
on the timeline, you know, I was kind of back
and forth, But at this juncture, I would be very
surprised if he's a Sea Hawk. I think that he
probably feels like he can be close to fifteen million.
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I don't think the Seahawks feel that way. It's obvious
they haven't signed him. It concerns me, but I am
not going to be a disappointed fan until I see
what the plan is. And I think that if anything,
the management, the leadership, Schnyder McDonald, they've earned it. But
I am concerned. I mean, you look at you know,
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you take CA nine. Here's a guy that was there's
only four running backs in the league that had over
one hundred carries on the outside zone. Canine had one
hundred and eight. He had five point three yards. Charbonne
had about half of that, exactly fifty five. He had
four point five yards. Here's here's one for you against
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stack boxes. Teams want to come down and stop the run.
Canine that was fifty one percent of the time he
faced the stack box. He had five point two yards
per carry. Zach Sharbonnay fifty point three percent, exactly basically
exactly fifty percent of time, right, Zach Sharbonnay only three
point three yards per tempt. And so you know, I
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think sometimes statistics, you know, you compare them to different teams.
The offensive line obviously has so much to do with it,
but if you get enough carries, I think it can
it can be statistically meaningful to compare these two guys
inside zone K nine. You know, five point six yards
on sixty carries, Zach Charboney fifty nine carries. He's only
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three point three yards. You know, eventually, as Bill Parcells said,
you evaluate running backs, hand them the ball and see
who gets yards, and you know, you watch the end
zone copy and you just kind of I think it
takes a lot of reps to evaluate a running back.
But to me, you know K nine, you know he
was the dude and and even had charbonn ay not
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got hurt. I'll throw one more statistic at you. These
guys are basically the same in terms of how many
times they they lose yardage, about right around eleven percent
and change of these snaps they lose yards, and of
course that obviously is impacted by the offensive line. The
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number of times they get five or more yards pretty similar.
Are both in the thirty four percent plus change. But
here's where it distinguishes. The number of times you get
ten or more yards. Canine he's at four point seven percent,
Zach at six point nine. So basically, one in every
six point eight carries Canine's gonna give you a ten
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yard run or more. For Zach it's one in every
fifteen and a half. Now, I understand there's some short
yards goal line components to that, but you know your eyes,
you know, confirm what the stats tell you. I'm I'm
for now. I'll hold off disappointment. See who they have
to replace. But I don't think it's anybody on that
Seahawk roster that is gonna give you anything. Near what
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Canine gives.
Speaker 5 (04:42):
Well, I think we agree with you on both accounts
that Ken has probably gone and that they have to
bring somebody else in to replace. And we were throwing
out the name Rico Dwell in a couple of segments ago.
Is there anybody out there that you've done, you know,
at least enough research on that you feel good about,
you know, kind of a cursory comment on whether you
like him or.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
Not, you know, Dick. When when they acquire somebody, here's
what I'll promise you. I will roll up my sleeves.
I will spend a good portion of the night analyzing
all the tape, like when they were acquired rather Rashichi
Heat on November fourth. You know, I stayed up watched
every single play from the Saints, and you know, gave
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you my my best effort at at an evaluation of him.
So I'm gonna hold off until they acquire somebody. But
I will say this this, you can't sleep on this fact.
I think the Sea Arks are playing the long game
with their roster in a couple of ways. First of all,
they had twenty four rookies on the team last year
on the and and they've got some guys. They're they're
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excited about it, and I know that we'll get to
it in our conversation today. But the compensation that now
it's only for their twenty twenty seven draft, right, But
if there's a net loss in free agents and they
I think that Seattle's gonna have a big net net loss.
I think almost all these guys are going out. I
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don't know who they're going to acquire. I think they're
gonna be very selective and diligent on who they acquire.
We were. It's entirely probable that we'll be saying, Okay, well,
you know we're worse off now after the free agency
period and prior to the draft than we were. But
there could be got You know, you look at the
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list of guys and it's all determined by you know,
if you're over twenty million, which Woolen could hit, that's
a third rounder. If you're over fifteen million, then you're
getting a fourth rounder. You know. That could that could
be Kobe Bryant, that could be Canine, that could be
Shahed Shahe could pop the twenty million, that could be Mathey.
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I mean, now you only get a total of four,
but you could you could be as many as fourth
you know, fourth and maybe even third round products. You
could really load up on compensatory picks for that twenty
and twenty seven draft, and I think it's really important
for the Sea Hogs to keep an eye on that. Here.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
Let me ask you this, because you mentioned that you
were concerned about it. I think all of us are concerned.
I mean, it's not like you have another guy sitting there, right,
but with Sharbonnay being banged up, and who knows when
he's coming back and when he'll be back, you know,
one hundred percent, that could be November, for God's sakes,
right until the guy's ready to go. But most excuse me,
contract projections for Kenny Walker have him around the thirteen
million dollar range. Would you do that? Would you do
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three years thirty nine million for Canine? Yeah, I probably
would have. I understand their position. I don't think I
don't think they would do thirteen I think that Canine's
camp think this is going to be closer to fifteen million, right,
And I don't.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
Think Seattle would really get close to that. I mean,
there's some questions about how he practices, and you know,
he's not always you know, on fire for practice. You know,
I just feel like they probably just they're they're ready
to part ways, and you've got you've got a hand
that to them. Uh And and remember now, remember now,
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they're gonna in an ideal world, they get JASN done
and Spoon done. Spoon's gonna be thirtiest million. Jays N
forty is plus million. I mean they're gonna allot a
lot uh uh a lot a lot of cash to
these guys. And and so you uh, I think I
use an analogy earlier. You know, when you you load
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up your car for a long trip, and you know,
the very first thing you load your trunk is is
the biggest suitcase. Right, everything's all spewed out around your car. Right, Well,
you put those first big suitcases in first, and then
the little ones, the cameras and the purses and everything.
You find the little slots for those, right, That's how
you pack your car. Well, that's that's how Seattle's gonna
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do this off season. I mean, they're gonna they are
gonna the big suitcases are JSN and Spoon and then
everybody else that we're gonna talk about is just they're
just little handbags and they're gonna have to step get
stuffed into the cracks. And I think that the majority
of these guys are not going to be Seahawks.
Speaker 5 (09:06):
Hugh John Schneider a number of times says traded high
draft picks multiple for players. The front page of the
paper today says, will the Seahawks make a major splash
and trade for Max Crosby?
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Is that something you would even consider?
Speaker 3 (09:23):
Not me.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
I'll be surprised if they do. I don't. I don't
rule it out, like you know, I'll tell you one
that I would rule out that I just I would.
I'd fall over if Seattle sign that's Trey Hendrickson, there's
a lot of you know, he'd be easier to acquire,
but he only plays on the right side, and he
doesn't play the defense. The defensive end component for Seattle.
Let me state this in capital letters. To play defensive
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end for Mike McDonald, you have to set the edge first.
That is the most important thing for him, and then
if you fall into some sacks, great, But he is
more concerned about how you play the run. Crosby plays
the run real well. I look, he's going to be
twenty eight years old. I think that it would be
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it would just take too much given where Seattle's with
the drafts, but I think they would considered. I'm sure
that they're having conversations about it. You know, I just
look at McDonald at Baltimore when when McDonald had the
great year the year before he came to Seattle, they
had the Triple Crown, fewest points in the NFL, most turnovers,
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and most sacks. Who were their defensive ends. They had
Kyle van Noy and Jadevian Clowney. Both guys had been
on at least five teams. You know, that's journeyman. Take
it from a journeyman, Like you're on your fifth or
sixteen like van Noy was on his sixteen, Your journeyman
and on the wrong side of thirty. So he was
able to and that should be your primary. Like, if
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you want to score runs in baseball, you better have
have some power in that third, fourth, and fifth spot
in the lineup, right, Well, you want to get sacks,
your defensive ends better be dudes, right, Miles Garrett or
somebody like that. No, that's not what Mike McDonald did
at Baltimore. That's not what he did last year. You know,
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it was like the world is run by B students.
The pass rush was delegated by B defensive ends. Marcus Lawrence,
Chenna Nuosa, Derek Hall, Boy Mafe. They had a rotation there.
None of them were A players. You could maybe say
d law a little bit, but not when not compared
to the All pros, not compared to the Crosby's and
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the Micah Parsons and the and the Miles Garretts of
the world. They're not a players in that regard. They're
you know, just solid B dudes. And so I think
McDonald has been able to coach and produce great defense
without elite defensive end. That's why I think Crosby among
a couple of reasons, I just don't think that Crosby
is gonna be a seahawk. But it would not stun me.
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It would stun me if Trey Hendrickson is a seahawk.
Speaker 4 (12:01):
Well, hum Millin's with us.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
How about Rashid she Head, And I think that there's
a question about what they lose if they lose him.
He didn't do much as a receiver, as you know,
but he was obviously electric as a kickoff return and
punt return man. In very, very very important times for
the Seahawks. And there's some folks though, I think Dick's
kind of one of them. And I'm gonna put words
in your mouth that think that Tory Horton can do
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everything that Rashid she Heat can do for a lot
less money.
Speaker 4 (12:28):
Do you believe that.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
As a wide receiver? Absolutely, I think he'll be better
as a wide receiver Rachid she Heed. You know, he
only had eighteen catches two hundred sixty six yards in
twelve games. Right, that's counting the playoffs, right, you know,
multiplay that over seventeen that's a that's a season.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
Three sep five in the regular season over seventeen games,
that's what it would have been about.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
Well we'll we'll talk about on each other's mouth on that.
But but zero touchdowns and then Tory Horton, uh, he
had he had one hundred and sixty one, but he
had five touchdowns and and he was a rookie, he
and you know, his shins were bothering him. I think
they there was you know, the she the shin bone
was connected to the knee ligaments. And I think that
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they kind of solved the issue, or they think they've
solved the issue pertaining to the ligaments and how that
impacted the shin. Now there's a concern because at Colorado
State he was also injury prone. But but here's a guy.
From a punt return standpoint. You think we're she she
heat electric right punt returns. She Hed averaged exactly fifteen
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point zero yards per punt return over the season as
a Sea Hawk. You had Tory Horton was at fourteen
point nine. So but remember this, Tory Horton didn't have
a single kickoff return. He wasn't the kickoff return guy.
You know, Halani and Derek Young were the kickoff return guys. Right,
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So if you asked the question you asked me, can
Tory Horton provide what Reshid Shaheed did? First of all,
I think he'll be a better receiver, assuming that he's healthy.
I think that he will be not as good as
a punt returner, but but an ability to be you know,
a top you know, top quartile punt return in this league, perhaps, right,
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but not as good as Shihed. And then the kickoff return,
you know, magic and juice that Shheed supplied. You know,
Horton's not in that category. And and and frankly, nobody is.
I mean, you know, I think that Shaheed emerged late
in the season as the most feared return guy. Look
how many times we talked about it. How many times
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did they they just kick the ball in the end
zone and and just say, hey, we'll give the Seahawks
the ball on the thirty five yard line. We don't
want to mess with that, Shaheed smoke, no chance.
Speaker 4 (14:54):
Yeah, well, just again, just the math.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
He had fifteen catches for one hundred and eighty eight
yards in nine games in the regular season, Hugh, for
the Seahawks. That's twenty one yards a game, is what
he averaged over nine games. You extrapolate that over seventeen games,
that's three hundred and fifty five yards. Is what he
would have done in the regular season. I'm just talking
about the games he played in the regular season, not
the playoff.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
I was doing eighteen for two sixty six.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
I've got fifteen for one eighty eight, eighteen for two
sixty six.
Speaker 4 (15:24):
I mean, either way, it's not much, right.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
At all, as twenty two yards whatever. The point is,
it's under four hundred, right, right, And yeah, you're doing
just regular season. I'm doing the combine. You know, both
of them are good points. You know, no sense being
in the weeds on that, but but yeah, the point is,
and by the way of his eighteen catches, you know,
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had you hit me on November fourth, November fifth, the
day after they acquired him, and he said, hey, receit shihat.
He's a wide receiver. He has an interesting jersey number,
number twenty two. Let's how many how many catches do
you think he'll have? The seats are gonna play twelve games,
he's gonna be healthy, and the well, we were done
the calculation and said, well, wait minute, he's gonna play
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twelve games. That means they're gonna play in the Super Bowl.
So already I like the beginning of your story. But
if we just said, what's the over under on how
many catches he's gonna have, where the balls in the air,
his jersey number or more twenty two yards or more,
if you would have set the over under it one
and a half, I'd have put my whole pension on
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the over. If you had told me he's going to
be healthy for twelve games, and yet I would have
lost because he had one catch over twenty two yards.
The entire twelve games. So it just his speed was
impell He was more impactful running reverses on offense than
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he was catching deep balls. And so now that that
was the first drive against the Rams, that was a
big one. The one that I'm just describing, the one
was against the Rams and that was awesome. Thirty six
are yards right and and a you know, set him
up for a touchdown there. That was beautiful.
Speaker 4 (17:05):
The one down the right sideline you're talking about, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
Right down the right side sideline, run front of the
Ram bench. Yeah, that was uh, that was that was phenomenal.
But if you'd have told me that's the only one
in twelve games, right, So yeah, I think he's going
to be close to twenty million. It's going to be
hard to watch him return kicks and punts in another uniform, right,
But I you know, I'm I'm just you know, see,
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I was just not gonna pay it.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
Let's get a break.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
We got a lot more to get to, man, including
what does the air temperature do when the roof is
open versus the roof closed at T Mobile Park. We
had a big debate about that, and we're counting on
you to settle it. Man coming up on ninety three
to three KJRFM.
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Speaker 3 (17:59):
All right here, em Melanie joins us here on a
Friday afternoon, right here on ninety three to three kJ
ARFM here. We talked a lot about Kenny Walker Rashid
chi Heed in the previous segment. The legal tampering period,
which feels like kind of an oxymoron, starts on Monday morning.
Free agency players can start signing at one o'clock on Wednesday,
I mean the Saker. Let's be honest, guys, they are
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poised to lose a lot of guys off.
Speaker 4 (18:23):
This football team.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
It's not just Kenny Walker, It's not just Shiheed, Kobe Bryant,
Reek Wold and boy A Mafe Josh Job, all those
guys on the defensive side of the ball. Tell me
about your take on those guys. Let's start with Reek Wolan, right,
it's a guy that barely played football. I remember the
first time Dick you and I had him on the area,
he said, Hey, you gotta give me a break. I'm
just getting to know this position. And now here he
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is in line for a potential big ass payday in
free agency.
Speaker 4 (18:49):
What do you make of his future?
Speaker 1 (18:50):
Well, I think that he's going to be north of
fifteen million, and I don't think Seattle wants to pay that.
I think he's out. When you look at like the
three law is that Seattle had. His his play was
key in all of them, even the super Bowl the
touchdown you know that was that was you know where
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he's asleep at the wheels. So I think that, you know,
he's gonna be attractive to a lot of people because
of that skill set.
Speaker 5 (19:18):
But I don't think he's a Seahawk at all. How
about Kobe Bryant. I know Mike McDonald loves that guy.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
Maybe maybe if I had to bet, I would say no.
I think that the number that he's gonna be able
to fetch as a versatile guy, came into the league
as a corner. In fact, that Thorpe Award winner is
the best dB playing corner opposite Sauce Gardner at Cincinnati,
obviously converted safety. I think he's going to be again
another guy north of fifteen million. That's that's key because
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of your fourth round com pick for the next year's draft.
I do not think Kobe Bryant will be a Seahawk,
but I think it's a maybe. I would I would
put in the category of probably not. Okay, how about
josh Joe, Yes, I think he will be a Sea
I don't think the market will be enough for him.
I think that of of the starters on the defense,
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depending on what personnel, but your figure, your your your
kind of your base Nickel, I think he's the number
eleven starter out of eleven. So you know, I even
said in the playoffs, so you know, if I was
opposing teams, I would attack him. So I I don't
think there's gonna be a great market for him. But
I think, you know, he he you know, he's a
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Carl Scott. I think the world of him, the secondary coach,
coach Tom at Alabama. He's got got trades. You know,
we probably seen everything that Joshoba is gonna give you.
I think I think he's, you know, kind of a
fringe starter. But I think that he comes back to Seattle.
And how about boy A Boy of the Ford guy
h of the four defensive ends, I think he's he's
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the best speed rusher of the of the four U
Channa d Law, Derek Hall and MafA. I think he's
the best speed rusher. But I think he sets the
edge of the worst. We already talked in the prior segment.
I think that's a that's the prime component for Mike McDonald.
So I think that there's enough GMS out there they're
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going to really love that speed rushing aspect. I think
he's more valuable to other teams.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
I think he's out, Yeah, okay, so that means Rashid
Shaheed's out, Kenny Walker's out, boy A Mafe is out,
Requlin is out, Kobe brightt likely out, Josh Job coming back.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
And and and for me, Josh Jones, I think that
I think Josh Jones comes back. I think he's the
best offensive tackles Seattle's had in several years as a
suing tackle. That was making those comments in August. He
ended up starting the last three games against the Rams,
obviously pivotal at Carolina and Week eighteen against the forty
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nine ers filled in when when he was needed the most,
and we didn't do a lot of talking about him
on Mondays, which is a good thing. No news is
good news with a left tackle. I think he returns
as a sea off Okay, that where's the biggest need?
Speaker 3 (22:01):
I mean if Kenny Walker is like if you were
to have told somebody I don't know three months ago
that we're gonna have Hugh Millen on the air the
friday before the legal tampering period starts in free agency,
and you're gonna ask him with the Seahawks biggest offseason
need will be guarantee he's gonna say right guard, because
the guy hates Anthony Bradford. Okay, we're still there. Where
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a upgrade at right guard is still the biggest need
in your mind?
Speaker 1 (22:27):
Well, I would, I would agree with everything you said.
I would bristle that I hate him.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
I don't hate him, hate him as a player, not
as a person.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
For God's sakes. Yeah, so I would say I would.
I think he's I think he's the number eleven starter
on the offense right and even though he played a
little better down the stretch. Look, I hate referring to
PFF because then people say, well, you're just are you
parrotying what? PFF? Know, I watched the freaking end zone
copy and I watch it in earnest and and and
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I and by the time I'm done, why seeing it,
my freaking forehead is like bright red because I keep
slimming my palm against my forehead because of what I
watched with the right guard there. And but just to
have a little backup on it, there was eighty five
qualifying qualifying offensive guards. Last year. He was seventy seventh
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out of eighty five, and in pass blocking he was
eighty third out of eighty five. And so look and look,
you don't want me to pull up the twenty four
numbers in the twenty three because it's just as bad.
You know, it's just been a solid and I think
that they they've got everything that they can get out
of him. They need an upgrade if they if you
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did exactly what you did last year. And I understand
Zabel was eighteenth, and there's a difference between eighteenth and
thirty second, but if their first pick was a right guard,
I would say that was you know, a.
Speaker 5 (23:53):
Pick well spent here we were discussing earlier, the story
of the day, the Vegas Raider releasing Geno Smith, and
we were kind of reminiscing, how did we remember Geno
Smith and why has he taking so many swings from
former Seahawks fans from Seahawk fans, So, how do you
remember Geno as the Seahawks starter?
Speaker 1 (24:13):
Well, I guess my response would be, you know, he
was playing right at about the time that Jerry Depoto
stepped on the all time rake with this fifty four
percent comment, and we were all apoplectic about what that
said about, you know, accepting mediotic mediocrity, et cetera. And
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Gino Smith counting his starts once once, once Russell Wilson
went to play for Denver, Geno Smith was twenty seven
and twenty three. Well, we don't even need a calculator
to know that that's hitting right at fifty four percent.
And then he was one and two and starts prior
to that, so he's under fifty four percent. And in football,
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it's a lot more of a sin to be media,
you know, around five hundred. To give you an idea,
in the entire history of baseball, there's only been one
team that has won more than eighty percent of its games,
and that was in like the eighteen eighties one in history.
Last year, in twenty twenty five, there was three teams
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in the NFL that were over eighty percent. So we
understand the nature baseball, how the math plays out, and
what have you. So being fifty four percent winner as
a quarterback is a lot worse in football than it
is to be a fifty four percent winner in baseball.
So I think that it was just kind of you know,
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when I coached youth football and high school football for
twenty four seasons. You know, one phrase I said often,
as good as the enemy of great. Good allows you
to be complacent and not nag at your conscience. Oh,
everything's fine, right, And so was he a good quarterback?
I don't know, it's fifty four percent good. I think
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he was. I think he was good the first half
of the first year. And I think, you know, there
was a cognitive dissonance involved in some of our interpretations
where we made we cemented our opinion based on that
first half a season, and then we tend to ignore
the evidence that we had for the remaining uh, you know,
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two and a half years. You know, if you if
you divided his three years into six parts. You know,
part number one was the best, right sure, and the
other five was just a steady decline. So I don't know.
And I think the leadership piece, you know, digging, you know,
do a little digging about what was happening behind the scenes,
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and and you know, there was some there was some
leadership issues that about kind of throwing people under the bus,
not being accountable. You know. It wasn't overt yeah, but
it was it was emerging. And so yeah, I think
Yatto absolutely made the right decision. I think that's just
born ow.
Speaker 4 (27:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
I think there's a lot of context that we're missing
here with this conversation, but we don't have time to
dive into that right now.
Speaker 4 (27:09):
We need to get to the stuff that really matters.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
What does the air temperature do when the roof is
open versus closed at T Mobile Park. That's the only reason,
let's be honest, why we want you on the year
today to settle that bet that debate, hang on, we'll
get to it next on ninety three to three. kJ
in A RFM had a big debate the other day
about the Well, first of all, all of this started
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because we talked about the Mariner's home record early in
the year, Julio Rodriguez gets off to a slow start.
The Mariners get off to a slow start at home
because it's cold. Let's face it, right, there's a marine
layer and all that stuff, and once the weather heats up,
the Mariners heat up at home. So the debate we
had yesterday, it was Jackson and me and Dick, We're
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all talking on the air. When the roof is closed
at T Mobile versus the roof being open, what does
that do in your opinion, after all the extensive research
you've done studying weather patterns, what does it do to
the air temperature inside T Mobile Park where the roof
is open versus having the roof closed.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
Yeah. Well, first of all, when I was at the
University of Washington, Look, this was not my idea for
me to be asked this question. This is your idea.
Speaker 4 (28:20):
I'll give you the best phenomenal idea.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
You kidding?
Speaker 4 (28:22):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
So when I was at the University of Washington, to
satisfy a natural science elective, I took two classes in
the Department of Air, not ex I was mainly interested
in how football's flied and really in their aero dynamics,
you have what's called bluff body aerodynamics and streamlined aerodynamics.
Streamlined is basically rocket and airplane wings, and bluff body
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is everything else, including golf balls, baseballs and footballs and
and I'm not going to get there everything about how
drag is measured by a Reynolds number and what have you.
But here here's some important parts about this as when
you get denser air, which is when what happens when
you get cooler higher pressure, that creates more drag and
that shortens the carry for a baseball. The temp when
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the temperature is warmer, it's thinner, right, you know, about
ten degrees fair night, you can reduce a baseball by
five feet. Other aspects mean equal as far as a
humid humidity, slightly thinner air, but it's a heavier baseball,
so it's a small net effect. Now, the wind is
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a big factor. Most of the wind is coming in
from Puget Sound left right. So if you have for
the right handers who want to pull and get the
ball out on left field, that's going to push the
ball sideways. If you're trying to push, you know, either
push it to right field or left handed pull it
to right field. You could you know that that that
could be a benefit for you. Now, so those are
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all the things in general. Now, what about what about
when the the roof closed? Because that's your big question
right here.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
Yes, because we all understand what happens to a baseball, okay,
cooler versus Well, so we.
Speaker 4 (30:01):
Do want to know what does the roof being closed
due to the air temperature?
Speaker 1 (30:05):
Well, I want to I want to first preface this,
but Dick, your intuition is right that the second law
of thermo dynamics. It says that, among other things, involving
things tend to tend towards entropy, which is disorder. But
one of those is is heat flows from hot to cold.
That's just common sense. Open your door at night. If
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you go long enough, everything's hen it goes out. And
and by the way, British astrophysicists Arthur Eddington said that
if a theory is found to be against the second
law of thermo dynamics, quote, I can give you no hope.
There is nothing for it but to collapse in deepest humiliation.
All right, So this is like one of the most
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hardcore laws of science. But that is not applying with
what we have when we close that roof. Okay, first
of all, you're blocking the wind from the marine layer,
so the cool air is not mixing as much. You're
getting a heat trapping element from that roof. The field,
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the seats, the concrete, everything, all those those those materials
they absorb heat in the day, they release it in
the evening. You're getting little micro climates underneath the roof
up where the home run balls are traveling, right to
say nothing of body heat. So so there there is
a you know, beyond the psychology of it, there is
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a Yet you're gonna get a couple of degrees on average,
maybe one two, as much as three degree difference in
the building, even though if you got the sides coming in,
you're it's gonna be slightly warmer and uh and and
that could affect it as as much. About it's really
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only about a foot, right, Okay, but that's a different Remember, now,
these were world class class athletes they know. Now I
hesitate to say this analogy, but I'm gonna insert it.
When I was playing for the Patriots, we played at
Denver and this was like December, you know, the old
saying like hey, you're in mid season form, you kind
of you're kind of dialed in in pregame warmups. Ball
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comes off my hand on a go route up the
sideline and I'm like, okay, that's money. I'm thinking that's money.
And then I kept overthrowing like three or four overthrows
and I'm like, damn, that felt good. It's like a shooter,
you know, on a free thrower, a three point shot.
You know, when it comes off of your hand, whether
or not that's money. And I'm overthrowing this and finally
I got, hey, idiot, you're at freaking elevation, no wonder
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you're overthrowing it like it's that's real. Now you take
a guy like a Rod or whatever who's exponentially, you know,
a million times order better athlete than me. Those guys
they when they hit that ball, I'm assuming they they
have a good feel like, oh okay, I got that one.
I got and when they see that get pushed down. Really,
the wind is dick is the one you know to
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left field. The wind could think about when you golf,
A sideways wind is going to reduce the distance right right.
It doesn't have to be in your face to reduce
the distance and and so the wind is the main
part of it. But the couple of degrees that you
get by having it warmer it does affect it, likely
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inches more than feet. But you know, these guys have
a pretty good feel for when they how they hit
a ball and whether it's going out, and they and
they know so. I would my conclusion is it's real.
It's not only is it psychologically real, it's scientifically real.
And for a hitter, particularly a right hand hitter who
wants to pull the ball for home runs to the left,
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it's legit.
Speaker 3 (33:49):
Well, that's cal Rawley's pop up palme run in Game
five that bare to clear the wall. If that roof's
open and that ball comes back six inches to a
foot and gets caught, that's a totally different ballgame in
that game five against the Blue Jays. Really well done, man, guys,
for chance together for humil and really really well done.
And we're very very proud to call you a part
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of this radio station because that was insane.
Speaker 4 (34:12):
Nobody, nobody can go from.
Speaker 3 (34:14):
Talking about Kenny Walker to Josh Job to the air
temperature at T Mobile when the roof is open versus close.
Speaker 4 (34:20):
So consider yourself blessed.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
We love you, love you too, Hammeredownjo boys.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
With us on the radio show. I was satisfied. Now
I'm satisfied at all.
Speaker 5 (34:31):
I gotta say, honestly, when it's all said and done,
I think both sides of the argument were correct.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
What I mean, we're touchs.
Speaker 5 (34:41):
He just said inches rather than feet, and I degree
to three like I didn't think.
Speaker 4 (34:48):
I never well, that was our entire points.
Speaker 5 (34:51):
I never said it was zero degrees. I just just
said it wasn't a significant difference. Now we could debate
on whether one to three three degrees is a significant difference. Okay,
I mean you guys made it sound like it was
a massive question with the did you not?
Speaker 3 (35:08):
We both said that a difference of one to three
degrees in our homes feels like a significant difference.
Speaker 4 (35:14):
Number one, Number two. Let me ask you a question.
Speaker 3 (35:17):
Do you think that a foot or six inches could
have been the difference between col Rowley's home run being
caught and being a home run against Toronto.
Speaker 1 (35:26):
That particular home run?
Speaker 5 (35:28):
Yes, But I would also say that over the course
of two months, when we're closing this roof, how many
home runs are we talking about?
Speaker 4 (35:36):
I mean, who knows.
Speaker 3 (35:36):
I mean, if you win the division by two games
and you have three or four home runs like that,
that could absolutely be the difference your pitcher gives that
home run, that would have been the Only question is
how much more comfortable is it?
Speaker 1 (35:49):
That?
Speaker 3 (35:49):
Really it was about the comfort. That's what we talked about.
How much more does the temperature go up? I think
that a difference of one to three degrees makes it
feel significantly warmer because you're inside the stadium.
Speaker 5 (36:01):
If your home is at sixty eight degrees, yes, and
then you put it up to seventy degrees, that feels
lightless different.
Speaker 3 (36:07):
Go to a hotel room and do that. I mean,
the small space obviously, the more you can impact it.
Speaker 4 (36:12):
So you know what I'll do. I'll come over.
Speaker 3 (36:14):
Tonight and I'll just sneak into your house when you're
not watching it, and I'll adjust the thermostat and we'll
see when your balls are blue and frozen and you're
asking what the hell is going on, you'll find out
it's now sixty two and not sixty four,
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Speaker 3 (00:18):
He is only one man we turned to for a
variety of topics. We were looking for a guy who
could give us a thought on Kenneth Walker, Rashid Shiheed
in free agency, and also break down the air temperature
at t Mobile Park based on the roof being closed
or the roof being open.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
That's the first priority.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
And the only man we could find that could handle
all of that was our buddy Hugh Breedlove.
Speaker 4 (00:44):
Millan, who joins us right now on the radio show.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Good to be with You. Sounds like you boys are
playing in the sandbox? How war you?
Speaker 3 (00:52):
You know what?
Speaker 4 (00:52):
Yes, we are every now and then you got to
get dirty.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Man, right, You got to children, I understand you've got
to get down with a steerage and then come back up.
And the regular folk, well, yeah, let's start with some
free agent talk before we get to the ear temperature
at T Mobile Park. Based on the roof, we're all
keeping an eye on Kenneth Walker. So you just what's
your gut right now, Right we're sitting here on the
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friday before the tampering period that starts on Monday morning,
what's your gut on if this guy's coming back or not.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
I think he's gone ye at this point, you know,
prior to all the inflection points being exhausted, you know,
on the timeline, you know, I was kind of back
and forth, But at this juncture, I would be very
surprised if he's a Sea Hawk. I think that he
probably feels like he can be close to fifteen million.
(01:43):
I don't think the Seahawks feel that way. It's obvious
they haven't signed him. It concerns me, but I am
not going to be a disappointed fan until I see
what the plan is. And I think that if anything,
the management, the leadership, Schnyder McDonald, they've earned it. But
I am concerned. I mean, you look at you know,
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you take CA nine. Here's a guy that was there's
only four running backs in the league that had over
one hundred carries on the outside zone. Canine had one
hundred and eight. He had five point three yards. Charbonne
had about half of that, exactly fifty five. He had
four point five yards. Here's here's one for you against
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stack boxes. Teams want to come down and stop the run.
Canine that was fifty one percent of the time he
faced the stack box. He had five point two yards
per carry. Zach Sharbonnay fifty point three percent, exactly basically
exactly fifty percent of time, right, Zach Sharbonnay only three
point three yards per tempt. And so you know, I
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think sometimes statistics, you know, you compare them to different teams.
The offensive line obviously has so much to do with it,
but if you get enough carries, I think it can
it can be statistically meaningful to compare these two guys
inside zone K nine. You know, five point six yards
on sixty carries, Zach Charboney fifty nine carries. He's only
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three point three yards. You know, eventually, as Bill Parcells said,
you evaluate running backs, hand them the ball and see
who gets yards, and you know, you watch the end
zone copy and you just kind of I think it
takes a lot of reps to evaluate a running back.
But to me, you know K nine, you know he
was the dude and and even had charbonn ay not
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got hurt. I'll throw one more statistic at you. These
guys are basically the same in terms of how many
times they they lose yardage, about right around eleven percent
and change of these snaps they lose yards, and of
course that obviously is impacted by the offensive line. The
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number of times they get five or more yards pretty similar.
Are both in the thirty four percent plus change. But
here's where it distinguishes. The number of times you get
ten or more yards. Canine he's at four point seven percent,
Zach at six point nine. So basically, one in every
six point eight carries Canine's gonna give you a ten
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yard run or more. For Zach it's one in every
fifteen and a half. Now, I understand there's some short
yards goal line components to that, but you know your eyes,
you know, confirm what the stats tell you. I'm I'm
for now. I'll hold off disappointment. See who they have
to replace. But I don't think it's anybody on that
Seahawk roster that is gonna give you anything. Near what
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Canine gives.
Speaker 5 (04:42):
Well, I think we agree with you on both accounts
that Ken has probably gone and that they have to
bring somebody else in to replace. And we were throwing
out the name Rico Dwell in a couple of segments ago.
Is there anybody out there that you've done, you know,
at least enough research on that you feel good about,
you know, kind of a cursory comment on whether you
like him or.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
Not, you know, Dick. When when they acquire somebody, here's
what I'll promise you. I will roll up my sleeves.
I will spend a good portion of the night analyzing
all the tape, like when they were acquired rather Rashichi
Heat on November fourth. You know, I stayed up watched
every single play from the Saints, and you know, gave
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you my my best effort at at an evaluation of him.
So I'm gonna hold off until they acquire somebody. But
I will say this this, you can't sleep on this fact.
I think the Sea Arks are playing the long game
with their roster in a couple of ways. First of all,
they had twenty four rookies on the team last year
on the and and they've got some guys. They're they're
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excited about it, and I know that we'll get to
it in our conversation today. But the compensation that now
it's only for their twenty twenty seven draft, right, But
if there's a net loss in free agents and they
I think that Seattle's gonna have a big net net loss.
I think almost all these guys are going out. I
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don't know who they're going to acquire. I think they're
gonna be very selective and diligent on who they acquire.
We were. It's entirely probable that we'll be saying, Okay, well,
you know we're worse off now after the free agency
period and prior to the draft than we were. But
there could be got You know, you look at the
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list of guys and it's all determined by you know,
if you're over twenty million, which Woolen could hit, that's
a third rounder. If you're over fifteen million, then you're
getting a fourth rounder. You know. That could that could
be Kobe Bryant, that could be Canine, that could be
Shahed Shahe could pop the twenty million, that could be Mathey.
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I mean, now you only get a total of four,
but you could you could be as many as fourth
you know, fourth and maybe even third round products. You
could really load up on compensatory picks for that twenty
and twenty seven draft, and I think it's really important
for the Sea Hogs to keep an eye on that. Here.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
Let me ask you this, because you mentioned that you
were concerned about it. I think all of us are concerned.
I mean, it's not like you have another guy sitting there, right,
but with Sharbonnay being banged up, and who knows when
he's coming back and when he'll be back, you know,
one hundred percent, that could be November, for God's sakes,
right until the guy's ready to go. But most excuse me,
contract projections for Kenny Walker have him around the thirteen
million dollar range. Would you do that? Would you do
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three years thirty nine million for Canine? Yeah, I probably
would have. I understand their position. I don't think I
don't think they would do thirteen I think that Canine's
camp think this is going to be closer to fifteen million, right,
And I don't.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
Think Seattle would really get close to that. I mean,
there's some questions about how he practices, and you know,
he's not always you know, on fire for practice. You know,
I just feel like they probably just they're they're ready
to part ways, and you've got you've got a hand
that to them. Uh And and remember now, remember now,
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they're gonna in an ideal world, they get JASN done
and Spoon done. Spoon's gonna be thirtiest million. Jays N
forty is plus million. I mean they're gonna allot a
lot uh uh a lot a lot of cash to
these guys. And and so you uh, I think I
use an analogy earlier. You know, when you you load
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up your car for a long trip, and you know,
the very first thing you load your trunk is is
the biggest suitcase. Right, everything's all spewed out around your car. Right, Well,
you put those first big suitcases in first, and then
the little ones, the cameras and the purses and everything.
You find the little slots for those, right, That's how
you pack your car. Well, that's that's how Seattle's gonna
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do this off season. I mean, they're gonna they are
gonna the big suitcases are JSN and Spoon and then
everybody else that we're gonna talk about is just they're
just little handbags and they're gonna have to step get
stuffed into the cracks. And I think that the majority
of these guys are not going to be Seahawks.
Speaker 5 (09:06):
Hugh John Schneider a number of times says traded high
draft picks multiple for players. The front page of the
paper today says, will the Seahawks make a major splash
and trade for Max Crosby?
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Is that something you would even consider?
Speaker 3 (09:23):
Not me.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
I'll be surprised if they do. I don't. I don't
rule it out, like you know, I'll tell you one
that I would rule out that I just I would.
I'd fall over if Seattle sign that's Trey Hendrickson, there's
a lot of you know, he'd be easier to acquire,
but he only plays on the right side, and he
doesn't play the defense. The defensive end component for Seattle.
Let me state this in capital letters. To play defensive
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end for Mike McDonald, you have to set the edge first.
That is the most important thing for him, and then
if you fall into some sacks, great, But he is
more concerned about how you play the run. Crosby plays
the run real well. I look, he's going to be
twenty eight years old. I think that it would be
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it would just take too much given where Seattle's with
the drafts, but I think they would considered. I'm sure
that they're having conversations about it. You know, I just
look at McDonald at Baltimore when when McDonald had the
great year the year before he came to Seattle, they
had the Triple Crown, fewest points in the NFL, most turnovers,
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and most sacks. Who were their defensive ends. They had
Kyle van Noy and Jadevian Clowney. Both guys had been
on at least five teams. You know, that's journeyman. Take
it from a journeyman, Like you're on your fifth or
sixteen like van Noy was on his sixteen, Your journeyman
and on the wrong side of thirty. So he was
able to and that should be your primary. Like, if
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you want to score runs in baseball, you better have
have some power in that third, fourth, and fifth spot
in the lineup, right, Well, you want to get sacks,
your defensive ends better be dudes, right, Miles Garrett or
somebody like that. No, that's not what Mike McDonald did
at Baltimore. That's not what he did last year. You know,
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it was like the world is run by B students.
The pass rush was delegated by B defensive ends. Marcus Lawrence,
Chenna Nuosa, Derek Hall, Boy Mafe. They had a rotation there.
None of them were A players. You could maybe say
d law a little bit, but not when not compared
to the All pros, not compared to the Crosby's and
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the Micah Parsons and the and the Miles Garretts of
the world. They're not a players in that regard. They're
you know, just solid B dudes. And so I think
McDonald has been able to coach and produce great defense
without elite defensive end. That's why I think Crosby among
a couple of reasons, I just don't think that Crosby
is gonna be a seahawk. But it would not stun me.
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It would stun me if Trey Hendrickson is a seahawk.
Speaker 4 (12:01):
Well, hum Millin's with us.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
How about Rashid she Head, And I think that there's
a question about what they lose if they lose him.
He didn't do much as a receiver, as you know,
but he was obviously electric as a kickoff return and
punt return man. In very, very very important times for
the Seahawks. And there's some folks though, I think Dick's
kind of one of them. And I'm gonna put words
in your mouth that think that Tory Horton can do
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everything that Rashid she Heat can do for a lot
less money.
Speaker 4 (12:28):
Do you believe that.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
As a wide receiver? Absolutely, I think he'll be better
as a wide receiver Rachid she Heed. You know, he
only had eighteen catches two hundred sixty six yards in
twelve games. Right, that's counting the playoffs, right, you know,
multiplay that over seventeen that's a that's a season.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
Three sep five in the regular season over seventeen games,
that's what it would have been about.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
Well we'll we'll talk about on each other's mouth on that.
But but zero touchdowns and then Tory Horton, uh, he
had he had one hundred and sixty one, but he
had five touchdowns and and he was a rookie, he
and you know, his shins were bothering him. I think
they there was you know, the she the shin bone
was connected to the knee ligaments. And I think that
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they kind of solved the issue, or they think they've
solved the issue pertaining to the ligaments and how that
impacted the shin. Now there's a concern because at Colorado
State he was also injury prone. But but here's a guy.
From a punt return standpoint. You think we're she she
heat electric right punt returns. She Hed averaged exactly fifteen
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point zero yards per punt return over the season as
a Sea Hawk. You had Tory Horton was at fourteen
point nine. So but remember this, Tory Horton didn't have
a single kickoff return. He wasn't the kickoff return guy.
You know, Halani and Derek Young were the kickoff return guys. Right,
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So if you asked the question you asked me, can
Tory Horton provide what Reshid Shaheed did? First of all,
I think he'll be a better receiver, assuming that he's healthy.
I think that he will be not as good as
a punt returner, but but an ability to be you know,
a top you know, top quartile punt return in this league, perhaps, right,
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but not as good as Shihed. And then the kickoff return,
you know, magic and juice that Shheed supplied. You know,
Horton's not in that category. And and and frankly, nobody is.
I mean, you know, I think that Shaheed emerged late
in the season as the most feared return guy. Look
how many times we talked about it. How many times
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did they they just kick the ball in the end
zone and and just say, hey, we'll give the Seahawks
the ball on the thirty five yard line. We don't
want to mess with that, Shaheed smoke, no chance.
Speaker 4 (14:54):
Yeah, well, just again, just the math.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
He had fifteen catches for one hundred and eighty eight
yards in nine games in the regular season, Hugh, for
the Seahawks. That's twenty one yards a game, is what
he averaged over nine games. You extrapolate that over seventeen games,
that's three hundred and fifty five yards. Is what he
would have done in the regular season. I'm just talking
about the games he played in the regular season, not
the playoff.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
I was doing eighteen for two sixty six.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
I've got fifteen for one eighty eight, eighteen for two
sixty six.
Speaker 4 (15:24):
I mean, either way, it's not much, right.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
At all, as twenty two yards whatever. The point is,
it's under four hundred, right, right, And yeah, you're doing
just regular season. I'm doing the combine. You know, both
of them are good points. You know, no sense being
in the weeds on that, but but yeah, the point is,
and by the way of his eighteen catches, you know,
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had you hit me on November fourth, November fifth, the
day after they acquired him, and he said, hey, receit shihat.
He's a wide receiver. He has an interesting jersey number,
number twenty two. Let's how many how many catches do
you think he'll have? The seats are gonna play twelve games,
he's gonna be healthy, and the well, we were done
the calculation and said, well, wait minute, he's gonna play
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twelve games. That means they're gonna play in the Super Bowl.
So already I like the beginning of your story. But
if we just said, what's the over under on how
many catches he's gonna have, where the balls in the air,
his jersey number or more twenty two yards or more,
if you would have set the over under it one
and a half, I'd have put my whole pension on
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the over. If you had told me he's going to
be healthy for twelve games, and yet I would have
lost because he had one catch over twenty two yards.
The entire twelve games. So it just his speed was
impell He was more impactful running reverses on offense than
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he was catching deep balls. And so now that that
was the first drive against the Rams, that was a
big one. The one that I'm just describing, the one
was against the Rams and that was awesome. Thirty six
are yards right and and a you know, set him
up for a touchdown there. That was beautiful.
Speaker 4 (17:05):
The one down the right sideline you're talking about, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
Right down the right side sideline, run front of the
Ram bench. Yeah, that was uh, that was that was phenomenal.
But if you'd have told me that's the only one
in twelve games, right, So yeah, I think he's going
to be close to twenty million. It's going to be
hard to watch him return kicks and punts in another uniform, right,
But I you know, I'm I'm just you know, see,
(17:28):
I was just not gonna pay it.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
Let's get a break.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
We got a lot more to get to, man, including
what does the air temperature do when the roof is
open versus the roof closed at T Mobile Park. We
had a big debate about that, and we're counting on
you to settle it. Man coming up on ninety three
to three KJRFM.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
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Speaker 3 (17:59):
All right here, em Melanie joins us here on a
Friday afternoon, right here on ninety three to three kJ
ARFM here. We talked a lot about Kenny Walker Rashid
chi Heed in the previous segment. The legal tampering period,
which feels like kind of an oxymoron, starts on Monday morning.
Free agency players can start signing at one o'clock on Wednesday,
I mean the Saker. Let's be honest, guys, they are
(18:20):
poised to lose a lot of guys off.
Speaker 4 (18:23):
This football team.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
It's not just Kenny Walker, It's not just Shiheed, Kobe Bryant,
Reek Wold and boy A Mafe Josh Job, all those
guys on the defensive side of the ball. Tell me
about your take on those guys. Let's start with Reek Wolan, right,
it's a guy that barely played football. I remember the
first time Dick you and I had him on the area,
he said, Hey, you gotta give me a break. I'm
just getting to know this position. And now here he
(18:45):
is in line for a potential big ass payday in
free agency.
Speaker 4 (18:49):
What do you make of his future?
Speaker 1 (18:50):
Well, I think that he's going to be north of
fifteen million, and I don't think Seattle wants to pay that.
I think he's out. When you look at like the
three law is that Seattle had. His his play was
key in all of them, even the super Bowl the
touchdown you know that was that was you know where
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he's asleep at the wheels. So I think that, you know,
he's gonna be attractive to a lot of people because
of that skill set.
Speaker 5 (19:18):
But I don't think he's a Seahawk at all. How
about Kobe Bryant. I know Mike McDonald loves that guy.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
Maybe maybe if I had to bet, I would say no.
I think that the number that he's gonna be able
to fetch as a versatile guy, came into the league
as a corner. In fact, that Thorpe Award winner is
the best dB playing corner opposite Sauce Gardner at Cincinnati,
obviously converted safety. I think he's going to be again
another guy north of fifteen million. That's that's key because
(19:45):
of your fourth round com pick for the next year's draft.
I do not think Kobe Bryant will be a Seahawk,
but I think it's a maybe. I would I would
put in the category of probably not. Okay, how about
josh Joe, Yes, I think he will be a Sea
I don't think the market will be enough for him.
I think that of of the starters on the defense,
(20:07):
depending on what personnel, but your figure, your your your
kind of your base Nickel, I think he's the number
eleven starter out of eleven. So you know, I even
said in the playoffs, so you know, if I was
opposing teams, I would attack him. So I I don't
think there's gonna be a great market for him. But
I think, you know, he he you know, he's a
(20:28):
Carl Scott. I think the world of him, the secondary coach,
coach Tom at Alabama. He's got got trades. You know,
we probably seen everything that Joshoba is gonna give you.
I think I think he's, you know, kind of a
fringe starter. But I think that he comes back to Seattle.
And how about boy A Boy of the Ford guy
h of the four defensive ends, I think he's he's
(20:48):
the best speed rusher of the of the four U
Channa d Law, Derek Hall and MafA. I think he's
the best speed rusher. But I think he sets the
edge of the worst. We already talked in the prior segment.
I think that's a that's the prime component for Mike McDonald.
So I think that there's enough GMS out there they're
(21:10):
going to really love that speed rushing aspect. I think
he's more valuable to other teams.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
I think he's out, Yeah, okay, so that means Rashid
Shaheed's out, Kenny Walker's out, boy A Mafe is out,
Requlin is out, Kobe brightt likely out, Josh Job coming back.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
And and and for me, Josh Jones, I think that
I think Josh Jones comes back. I think he's the
best offensive tackles Seattle's had in several years as a
suing tackle. That was making those comments in August. He
ended up starting the last three games against the Rams,
obviously pivotal at Carolina and Week eighteen against the forty
(21:48):
nine ers filled in when when he was needed the most,
and we didn't do a lot of talking about him
on Mondays, which is a good thing. No news is
good news with a left tackle. I think he returns
as a sea off Okay, that where's the biggest need?
Speaker 3 (22:01):
I mean if Kenny Walker is like if you were
to have told somebody I don't know three months ago
that we're gonna have Hugh Millen on the air the
friday before the legal tampering period starts in free agency,
and you're gonna ask him with the Seahawks biggest offseason
need will be guarantee he's gonna say right guard, because
the guy hates Anthony Bradford. Okay, we're still there. Where
(22:22):
a upgrade at right guard is still the biggest need
in your mind?
Speaker 1 (22:27):
Well, I would, I would agree with everything you said.
I would bristle that I hate him.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
I don't hate him, hate him as a player, not
as a person.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
For God's sakes. Yeah, so I would say I would.
I think he's I think he's the number eleven starter
on the offense right and even though he played a
little better down the stretch. Look, I hate referring to
PFF because then people say, well, you're just are you
parrotying what? PFF? Know, I watched the freaking end zone
copy and I watch it in earnest and and and
(22:57):
I and by the time I'm done, why seeing it,
my freaking forehead is like bright red because I keep
slimming my palm against my forehead because of what I
watched with the right guard there. And but just to
have a little backup on it, there was eighty five
qualifying qualifying offensive guards. Last year. He was seventy seventh
(23:18):
out of eighty five, and in pass blocking he was
eighty third out of eighty five. And so look and look,
you don't want me to pull up the twenty four
numbers in the twenty three because it's just as bad.
You know, it's just been a solid and I think
that they they've got everything that they can get out
of him. They need an upgrade if they if you
(23:40):
did exactly what you did last year. And I understand
Zabel was eighteenth, and there's a difference between eighteenth and
thirty second, but if their first pick was a right guard,
I would say that was you know, a.
Speaker 5 (23:53):
Pick well spent here we were discussing earlier, the story
of the day, the Vegas Raider releasing Geno Smith, and
we were kind of reminiscing, how did we remember Geno
Smith and why has he taking so many swings from
former Seahawks fans from Seahawk fans, So, how do you
remember Geno as the Seahawks starter?
Speaker 1 (24:13):
Well, I guess my response would be, you know, he
was playing right at about the time that Jerry Depoto
stepped on the all time rake with this fifty four
percent comment, and we were all apoplectic about what that
said about, you know, accepting mediotic mediocrity, et cetera. And
(24:38):
Gino Smith counting his starts once once, once Russell Wilson
went to play for Denver, Geno Smith was twenty seven
and twenty three. Well, we don't even need a calculator
to know that that's hitting right at fifty four percent.
And then he was one and two and starts prior
to that, so he's under fifty four percent. And in football,
(25:00):
it's a lot more of a sin to be media,
you know, around five hundred. To give you an idea,
in the entire history of baseball, there's only been one
team that has won more than eighty percent of its games,
and that was in like the eighteen eighties one in history.
Last year, in twenty twenty five, there was three teams
(25:22):
in the NFL that were over eighty percent. So we
understand the nature baseball, how the math plays out, and
what have you. So being fifty four percent winner as
a quarterback is a lot worse in football than it
is to be a fifty four percent winner in baseball.
So I think that it was just kind of you know,
(25:42):
when I coached youth football and high school football for
twenty four seasons. You know, one phrase I said often,
as good as the enemy of great. Good allows you
to be complacent and not nag at your conscience. Oh,
everything's fine, right, And so was he a good quarterback?
I don't know, it's fifty four percent good. I think
(26:03):
he was. I think he was good the first half
of the first year. And I think, you know, there
was a cognitive dissonance involved in some of our interpretations
where we made we cemented our opinion based on that
first half a season, and then we tend to ignore
the evidence that we had for the remaining uh, you know,
(26:24):
two and a half years. You know, if you if
you divided his three years into six parts. You know,
part number one was the best, right sure, and the
other five was just a steady decline. So I don't know.
And I think the leadership piece, you know, digging, you know,
do a little digging about what was happening behind the scenes,
(26:45):
and and you know, there was some there was some
leadership issues that about kind of throwing people under the bus,
not being accountable. You know. It wasn't overt yeah, but
it was it was emerging. And so yeah, I think
Yatto absolutely made the right decision. I think that's just
born ow.
Speaker 4 (27:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
I think there's a lot of context that we're missing
here with this conversation, but we don't have time to
dive into that right now.
Speaker 4 (27:09):
We need to get to the stuff that really matters.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
What does the air temperature do when the roof is
open versus closed at T Mobile Park. That's the only reason,
let's be honest, why we want you on the year
today to settle that bet that debate, hang on, we'll
get to it next on ninety three to three. kJ
in A RFM had a big debate the other day
about the Well, first of all, all of this started
(27:32):
because we talked about the Mariner's home record early in
the year, Julio Rodriguez gets off to a slow start.
The Mariners get off to a slow start at home
because it's cold. Let's face it, right, there's a marine
layer and all that stuff, and once the weather heats up,
the Mariners heat up at home. So the debate we
had yesterday, it was Jackson and me and Dick, We're
(27:53):
all talking on the air. When the roof is closed
at T Mobile versus the roof being open, what does
that do in your opinion, after all the extensive research
you've done studying weather patterns, what does it do to
the air temperature inside T Mobile Park where the roof
is open versus having the roof closed.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
Yeah. Well, first of all, when I was at the
University of Washington, Look, this was not my idea for
me to be asked this question. This is your idea.
Speaker 4 (28:20):
I'll give you the best phenomenal idea.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
You kidding?
Speaker 4 (28:22):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
So when I was at the University of Washington, to
satisfy a natural science elective, I took two classes in
the Department of Air, not ex I was mainly interested
in how football's flied and really in their aero dynamics,
you have what's called bluff body aerodynamics and streamlined aerodynamics.
Streamlined is basically rocket and airplane wings, and bluff body
(28:44):
is everything else, including golf balls, baseballs and footballs and
and I'm not going to get there everything about how
drag is measured by a Reynolds number and what have you.
But here here's some important parts about this as when
you get denser air, which is when what happens when
you get cooler higher pressure, that creates more drag and
that shortens the carry for a baseball. The temp when
(29:08):
the temperature is warmer, it's thinner, right, you know, about
ten degrees fair night, you can reduce a baseball by
five feet. Other aspects mean equal as far as a
humid humidity, slightly thinner air, but it's a heavier baseball,
so it's a small net effect. Now, the wind is
(29:28):
a big factor. Most of the wind is coming in
from Puget Sound left right. So if you have for
the right handers who want to pull and get the
ball out on left field, that's going to push the
ball sideways. If you're trying to push, you know, either
push it to right field or left handed pull it
to right field. You could you know that that that
could be a benefit for you. Now, so those are
(29:49):
all the things in general. Now, what about what about
when the the roof closed? Because that's your big question
right here.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
Yes, because we all understand what happens to a baseball, okay,
cooler versus Well, so we.
Speaker 4 (30:01):
Do want to know what does the roof being closed
due to the air temperature?
Speaker 1 (30:05):
Well, I want to I want to first preface this,
but Dick, your intuition is right that the second law
of thermo dynamics. It says that, among other things, involving
things tend to tend towards entropy, which is disorder. But
one of those is is heat flows from hot to cold.
That's just common sense. Open your door at night. If
(30:28):
you go long enough, everything's hen it goes out. And
and by the way, British astrophysicists Arthur Eddington said that
if a theory is found to be against the second
law of thermo dynamics, quote, I can give you no hope.
There is nothing for it but to collapse in deepest humiliation.
All right, So this is like one of the most
(30:50):
hardcore laws of science. But that is not applying with
what we have when we close that roof. Okay, first
of all, you're blocking the wind from the marine layer,
so the cool air is not mixing as much. You're
getting a heat trapping element from that roof. The field,
(31:12):
the seats, the concrete, everything, all those those those materials
they absorb heat in the day, they release it in
the evening. You're getting little micro climates underneath the roof
up where the home run balls are traveling, right to
say nothing of body heat. So so there there is
a you know, beyond the psychology of it, there is
(31:35):
a Yet you're gonna get a couple of degrees on average,
maybe one two, as much as three degree difference in
the building, even though if you got the sides coming in,
you're it's gonna be slightly warmer and uh and and
that could affect it as as much. About it's really
(31:57):
only about a foot, right, Okay, but that's a different Remember, now,
these were world class class athletes they know. Now I
hesitate to say this analogy, but I'm gonna insert it.
When I was playing for the Patriots, we played at
Denver and this was like December, you know, the old
saying like hey, you're in mid season form, you kind
of you're kind of dialed in in pregame warmups. Ball
(32:19):
comes off my hand on a go route up the
sideline and I'm like, okay, that's money. I'm thinking that's money.
And then I kept overthrowing like three or four overthrows
and I'm like, damn, that felt good. It's like a shooter,
you know, on a free thrower, a three point shot.
You know, when it comes off of your hand, whether
or not that's money. And I'm overthrowing this and finally
I got, hey, idiot, you're at freaking elevation, no wonder
(32:43):
you're overthrowing it like it's that's real. Now you take
a guy like a Rod or whatever who's exponentially, you know,
a million times order better athlete than me. Those guys
they when they hit that ball, I'm assuming they they
have a good feel like, oh okay, I got that one.
I got and when they see that get pushed down. Really,
the wind is dick is the one you know to
(33:05):
left field. The wind could think about when you golf,
A sideways wind is going to reduce the distance right right.
It doesn't have to be in your face to reduce
the distance and and so the wind is the main
part of it. But the couple of degrees that you
get by having it warmer it does affect it, likely
(33:26):
inches more than feet. But you know, these guys have
a pretty good feel for when they how they hit
a ball and whether it's going out, and they and
they know so. I would my conclusion is it's real.
It's not only is it psychologically real, it's scientifically real.
And for a hitter, particularly a right hand hitter who
wants to pull the ball for home runs to the left,
(33:48):
it's legit.
Speaker 3 (33:49):
Well, that's cal Rawley's pop up palme run in Game
five that bare to clear the wall. If that roof's
open and that ball comes back six inches to a
foot and gets caught, that's a totally different ballgame in
that game five against the Blue Jays. Really well done, man, guys,
for chance together for humil and really really well done.
And we're very very proud to call you a part
(34:10):
of this radio station because that was insane.
Speaker 4 (34:12):
Nobody, nobody can go from.
Speaker 3 (34:14):
Talking about Kenny Walker to Josh Job to the air
temperature at T Mobile when the roof is open versus close.
Speaker 4 (34:20):
So consider yourself blessed.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
We love you, love you too, Hammeredownjo boys.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
With us on the radio show. I was satisfied. Now
I'm satisfied at all.
Speaker 5 (34:31):
I gotta say, honestly, when it's all said and done,
I think both sides of the argument were correct.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
What I mean, we're touchs.
Speaker 5 (34:41):
He just said inches rather than feet, and I degree
to three like I didn't think.
Speaker 4 (34:48):
I never well, that was our entire points.
Speaker 5 (34:51):
I never said it was zero degrees. I just just
said it wasn't a significant difference. Now we could debate
on whether one to three three degrees is a significant difference. Okay,
I mean you guys made it sound like it was
a massive question with the did you not?
Speaker 3 (35:08):
We both said that a difference of one to three
degrees in our homes feels like a significant difference.
Speaker 4 (35:14):
Number one, Number two. Let me ask you a question.
Speaker 3 (35:17):
Do you think that a foot or six inches could
have been the difference between col Rowley's home run being
caught and being a home run against Toronto.
Speaker 1 (35:26):
That particular home run?
Speaker 5 (35:28):
Yes, But I would also say that over the course
of two months, when we're closing this roof, how many
home runs are we talking about?
Speaker 4 (35:36):
I mean, who knows.
Speaker 3 (35:36):
I mean, if you win the division by two games
and you have three or four home runs like that,
that could absolutely be the difference your pitcher gives that
home run, that would have been the Only question is
how much more comfortable is it?
Speaker 1 (35:49):
That?
Speaker 3 (35:49):
Really it was about the comfort. That's what we talked about.
How much more does the temperature go up? I think
that a difference of one to three degrees makes it
feel significantly warmer because you're inside the stadium.
Speaker 5 (36:01):
If your home is at sixty eight degrees, yes, and
then you put it up to seventy degrees, that feels
lightless different.
Speaker 3 (36:07):
Go to a hotel room and do that. I mean,
the small space obviously, the more you can impact it.
Speaker 4 (36:12):
So you know what I'll do. I'll come over.
Speaker 3 (36:14):
Tonight and I'll just sneak into your house when you're
not watching it, and I'll adjust the thermostat and we'll
see when your balls are blue and frozen and you're
asking what the hell is going on, you'll find out
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