June 1, 2026 • 17 mins
Hugh Millen joins Dave Softy Mahler to dive deep into the Los Angeles Rams trading for Browns star pass rusher Myles Garrett including some perspective on just how good of a player Garrett is, his best skills on the defensive line, if this now makes the Rams the best team in the league clearly above the Seahawks, and how his age factors in with it.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Where we go.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
I gotta be honest with you, Jackson.
Speaker 3 (00:03):
This deal hit me like a ton of bricks this
afternoon when the Miles Garrett ting came down, the reigning
defensive player of the Year going to the La Rams.
And I gotta be honest with you, man. We had
Hugh all planned for four o'clock today and I said, no, no, no, no, no,
we got to get this guy on right at the
freaking top. Because, honestly, Jackson, I'm doing it for selfish reasons.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
I don't want to wait.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
Until four, yeah, to find out what Hugh thinks. Right,
we got to know now what Hugh Millan thinks about
this deal. Nobody does it like Hugh. He's been breaking
down film like crazy since the trade was announced earlier today.
So to hell with waiting until four. We need to
know now what Hugh Millan thinks about the Miles Garrett deal.
And he joins us right now on the radio program.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
How are you, man?
Speaker 1 (00:45):
What's happening? I'm will uh well, I'll tell you what.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
If you're a Seahawk fan, you might be a little
bit unwell after hearing that Miles Garrett is going to
the La Rams. I mean it took a pretty penny, right, man,
Jared Versus's a young star in his own right. Third
year in the NFL. I'm stilling his rookie deal. First
round picked in twenty seven, second round pick in twenty eight,
third rounder in twenty nine. For I don't know, I
(01:08):
guess you can argue maybe the greatest pass rusher in
the history of the National Football League.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
What do you think?
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Well, do you want the good news or the bad news?
Speaker 2 (01:16):
I want all of it, you know what?
Speaker 3 (01:18):
Start with the bad news, all right, kick me in
the nuts and then prop me up.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
How's that sound, ohet, Well.
Speaker 4 (01:24):
The team in your division that is as clearly the
number one contender for you to repeat, they just acquired
a top flight, bona fide, Canton bound Hall of Fame
defensive end. I mean he's in the category of Reggie White,
Bruce Smith, of anybody Lawrence Taylor as an edge guy.
(01:48):
Now they play slightly different positions, but I mean you
take age thirty. Not only does he have is the
all time sack leader age thirty or younger, but the
gap between one and two is greater than the gap
between two and twelve. So the guy's already in ken
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and and so you look at it, you say, in
terms of his production, his sack, I mean he's not
only was he number one in the NFL in sacks
there's the NFL. This is not my stat The NFL
has in their stat portal a term called havoc plays,
which are tackle for losses, force fumbles, interceptions, pass breakups,
(02:32):
and sack. He led the NFL all defensive players and
havoc plays, right, and so like the stats are, they're
just all over in terms of pressures, hurries, what have you.
When you watch the tape, guys, the first thing, before
you even snap the ball, what I notice in looking
at him, because you know, I watched the end zone copy.
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That's how the that's how Lineman would study the tape
is you watch the end zone copy, but you just
look at him as but as he gets into his stance,
I mean he has this perfect, I mean perfect frame
for a defensive end. He's six four and an eighth Okay,
that's only fifty eighth percentile, but low man wins, right.
But his arms thirty five and a quarter inch arms
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are ninety fourth percentile. So you see that when he
wants to convert strength to power, or speed to power,
rather that his long arms come into play. He is
the only man in the history of the combine at
two hundred and seventy pounds or more to have forty
one inches or more on his vertical He's the highest
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jump of any man ever at two hundred seventy pounds
or more so, and he had thirty three reps on
the bench ninety fifth percentile on his strength. So when
you watch the tape, he's got the entire arsenal. I mean,
the frame is dead ass perfect. I mean it looks
like he saw it a football in half, put half
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the football down his pants on his left hand string
and then the other on his right hand string. I mean,
he just has this incredible frame, thick. But there's a
quickness to him, particularly his second step. We always talked
about the first step. Man that second step, when he
gets going, he shows you a bull rush. He shows
(04:21):
you speed to power. I watched his entire tape of
all the Havoc plays and everything. He shows a speed
and to dip a body control to turn the corner.
He has what I would call a eurostep.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
Dave.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
You know in basketball he's predominantly a right end. In
fact he had he was number one in the NFL
in terms of snaps from the right side. So Charles Cross,
he had a worse day than you did today, Dave Right.
But what the eurostep, I would say, we all know
in basketball that you know those big kind of hops
down the lane. He'll go up and with those long
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and he's a high cut guy, long legged guy. He'll
take a step right and he'll burst like he's gonna
try and beat you around the edge, and then he'll
take a big step back lateral. He shows this lateral quickness,
a huge hop to his left foot going into the
B gap that's to the inside of a of a
left tackle, and then he has either the strength or
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the burst to finish from there. He had a snap
a sack rather against Trent Williams this past season. I
put my chin on my chest. He did that eurostep
that I just described. Trent Williams barely laid a finger
on it. And so so you now, I would say,
from a technique standpoint, his hands, you know, he doesn't
(05:43):
show signs of a guy that spent a lot of
time with the martial arts guys and really refining his
hand technique.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
But he doesn't need it.
Speaker 4 (05:50):
He sodamn strong and sodamn quick and his and his
body control.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
So anyway, those are just some of the things I
see from the from the tape.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
Well, he's a stud man, He's a stud I mean,
you know, I mean, maybe there's some good news there
for us that starts with him turning thirty one in December.
But as you were talking there, and I was kind
of looking this up this morning that you know, Reggie
White from age thirty one to thirty seven had over
eighty sacks and won the Defensive Player of the Year
when he was thirty seven years old. Bruce Smith from
ninety three to ninety seven, thirty to thirty four, I'm
(06:19):
talking his age now, was a first team All Pro
five years in a row.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
So we've seen, you know, I mean some of the greats.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
And those are two of the guys that you mentioned
along with LT Right, some of the greats find a
way to keep this thing going well into their early thirties.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Do we think that Miles Garrett will do the same
thing with.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
The Rams, Well, those are great numbers when I look
at the guys that at age twenty eight, twenty nine
to thirty one right in that area because he turned
thirty at the end of last year.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
Like he's just sifore correct, right, So.
Speaker 4 (06:52):
The league categorized him as a thirty year old because
he was thirty on December thirty. First, he had a
birthday day or two before. But anyway, so let's just
comparing apples to apples. You need to say, Okay, how
many guys in that age group had eighteen or more sacks?
And then what did they do thereafter? Well, that's where
we kind of mentioned, you know, tongue in cheek. What's
(07:14):
the good news. Well, there is some good news when
you look at at that stat list of guys that
had elite seasons like Garrett did last year at around
this age. If you take the again, these are all
sacks over eighteen sacks seasons, these.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Guys of which there are what's the number on that.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
Of which there are eleven, and they they averaged nineteen
point nine sacks in those elite years, but it dropped
to eight point nine, basically cut in half or more.
And if we just go in the what we'll call
the John Snyder area era, since twenty ten, TJ. Watt
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had nineteen sacks at age twenty nine drop to eleven
and a half, Robert Quinn eighteen and a half, it
dropped to one, Chandler Jones nineteen to one, Jared Allen
went from twenty two to twelve, DeMarcus Ware went from
nineteen and a half sacks to eleven and a half sacks,
and Jason Babin, if you remember him, eighteen sacks to seven.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
Yeah, so that's the John Schneider here.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
So there, every single one of those guys had a
precipitous dropoff after an elite season adder around the year
that that Garrett had, So at least there's some history
that can give you a little riy smile.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Possibly, Well, let's hope that's the case for sure.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
I mean, I'm just, you know, Hugh thinking about last
year's games with the Rams, and all three of them
could have gone the exact opposite way. I mean, the
Hawks were a sixty one yard field goal away from
knocking them off in La despite Darnold's four interceptions. You know,
it took Zach Sharper and a picking a football up
when you know he probably was just gonna give it
to the referee and just say that out with it
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for them to win that game on Thursday night, and
then you had a big fourth down stop in the
NFC Championship. So two teams that are very very very similar,
if not dead on, you know, with each other, and
the Hawks were lucky enough to win two of them.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
But my point is this year, if you believe.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
That the NFC Championship was like the twenty thirteen game,
where that was the real championship. Since that game, the
Seahawks have lost Kenny Walker, Boye Mafey, Kobe Bryant, Reek Will,
and they've gained Dante Fowler. I'm talking about veterans now,
never mind the rookie guys, and the Rams have gotten
Trent McDuffie, Miles Garrett, and Jalen Watson.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
So are the Rams.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Now in your mind, clearly the team to beat, clearly
the team to beat in the NFC West.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
Well, I don't know about clearly.
Speaker 4 (09:41):
I would suppose you could say just based on on
how they were playing at the end of the year.
I mean, they were bouncing on the blade of a
knife right right right the NFC Championship game right went
right down to any particular play. Yeah, I mean we've
talked about how the Seahawks if, as measure by the
following calculus, that the guaranteed money of the player going out.
(10:05):
I think that's a better way to calculate than the
overall contract because a lot of times the money is
just buried it and it's meaningless. But if you go
by percent of guaranteed contract, as we said, Seattle has
lost more talent the net flow because you know, a
backup running back from green Bay for a million and
(10:26):
a half dollars doesn't do much for me, and it
doesn't do much for the Excel spreadsheet that I'm looking
at that charts all this but the right, because that's
just not much of a net an inflow when you
compare the outflow.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
But if we take the net.
Speaker 4 (10:43):
Then Seattle has lost more than any team in the
NFL other than green Bay. And there's an asterisk on
the Packers because, as we've discussed, Malik Willis represents forty
five million of that guaranteed by the Dolphins, and yet
he he uh, he's not the starter for the Packers.
(11:04):
If Jordan Love is healthy, then then that really doesn't
impact the the Packers. So in any event, yes, there
are numbers to support that, and you know, but look
but look to your point, the Rams are playing the
short game on this right Seawks are playing a little
bit more of a long game. And you know they
didn't want to pay Kenneth Walker. They didn't you know,
didn't want to pay boy Mafia. And I agree with
(11:26):
the mafy. I would have done the Kenneth Walker. But
you know he may ask you this. Let me ask
you that started to interrupt you.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
If you're less sneed I mean, look, if you're McVeigh,
do you do this deal? I mean, some some folks think, hey,
maybe better off keeping Jared Verse, paying them less, keeping
the draft picks whatever. Uh, I mean, you know, just
just kind of you know, shiggles and gets here. The
one thing I like about it from a Ram perspective, Hugh,
is that they staggered all these picks they gave up, right.
(11:52):
I mean, they've still got four picks next year. They
got six picks in twenty eight, and they've got six
picks in twenty twenty nine because the first, the second,
the third are all going to fall consecutively in the
next three years, so they're not giving all these picks
up in one draft. Would you have made this deal
if you're the Rams.
Speaker 4 (12:12):
Uh yeah, probably would have. I mean, you look at
the Garrett contract. I think the next three years he's
only at about a million and a half. Maybe you
can pull it up while we're talking. They given where
Stafford is and how I think Matthew Stafford not only
was the MVP last year. I don't want to get
hyperbolic on it, but when I compare MVP seasons, I
(12:34):
think Matthew Stafford had about once every four or five
year MVP season. I don't want to stretch it out
to a decade because maybe I'll be over my skis,
but I think he was that good.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
And so if you.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
Were less need, if you were Sean McVay, you're just
saying like, hey, we got to make this happen. The
you know, you're talking about the future with the Rams.
The ty Simpson acquisition, the draft pick at pick thirteen
was a head scratcher to me, then remains a head scratcher.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
But hey, maybe I'm wrong. Maybe ty Simpson will be.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
An elite quarterback as the successor to Matthew Stafford. But
for the time being, clearly they're all in, and one
can infer that it's because of Matthew Stafford and his
age and possibly his health because he didn't throw the
football through August, so I would probably I wasn't feeling
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really bad from a Seawk perspective about this until I
spent the whole freaking afternoon watching the damn Miles Garrett
tape from last year. And then after I watched the
Miles Garrett tape, I immediately throw on the Jared Verse
tape and the difference between Miles Garrett and Jared Verse.
And I understand Jared Versus is a top level player,
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but that's the difference between a top level NFL player
and a Canton Lock, a Reggie White. You know, like
you can't put a category, you cannot describe a category that.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
Miles Garrett is. His not in for edge rushers.
Speaker 4 (14:09):
He's in the group with everybody that you would think of,
and anybody, I should say, in terms of of just
you know, Canton style, unbelievable mayhem producing defensive ends.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
That's what he was.
Speaker 4 (14:25):
He set the damn record, And we talked about the
havocs and the quarterback hits and the pressures, and so
when you throw on the tape and you watch the
end zone copy, and you just assess the quickness, the moves,
the strength, the body control.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
Jared Versus is a JV player.
Speaker 4 (14:40):
He's not even playing on Friday nights when you compare
him to Miles Garrett. Now, hopefully, as as we talked
about the decline, maybe hopefully there's a decline for.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
Garrett right well, no doubt, no doubt or I mean, look,
I'm not above it. I mean, Michah Parson's got traded
from the pack from the Cowboys the Packers and got hurt.
It just didn't work out because you got banged. I mean,
you know, if Miles Garrett wants to have a groin
injury that lingers the entire year, that hobbles him, I'm
fine with that. I'm totally cool with that because I'll
tell you what you mentioned, feeling worse after you watch
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the tape. I feel worse after I just looked at
his cap hits the next five years with the Rams.
Have you seen this, By the way, twenty twenty six,
eight point one, twenty seven, sixteen million, twenty eight, twenty
one point three CAP's gonna go up exponentially. The big
money doesn't even hit in until twenty nine and thirty
at forty two and forty nine. But hell, if you're
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McVeigh and less snead, that's that's that's that's.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
A thousand years away.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
You you deal with that, then you got three years
of minimal cap damage.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
One draft pick a year you gotta give up to
get this guy. Are you kidding me? Are you kidding me?
Speaker 1 (15:45):
Hugh, Yeah, no doubt.
Speaker 4 (15:47):
And uh And if you go back to the Rams
when they won the twenty twenty one Super Bowl, I
my memory's a little fuzzy on I gotta go reacquaint
myself with it. But remember they were, they were acquired
Odell Beckham, they were they were seemingly all in in
twenty twenty one, right, and we thought, okay, well all
these you know, we kind of said, okay, yeah, you
won the Super Bowl, but you're gonna you know, have
(16:08):
to pay the piper at some point, or the pay
the piper at some point and then somehow less need
and you know, they and you know Kevin Demoff as
the president there they work some kind of magic because
they remain competitive. And here they are back at it
with with a hopefully from their perspective, a second ring
(16:30):
for Matthew Stafford and everybody attached to it. So it's
an interesting game plan. They've made it work before in
twenty one, twenty twenty one, playing the short game. They're
playing the short game again.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
No doubt, no doubt.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
Well, it's gonna make for a hell of a back
and forth, a hell of a fight. And we'll see
if the Niners are even involved in that fight at
all this coming season. All right, dude, great stuff. Man,
appreciate this, love it, and we'll talk soon. Pal hammer down.
All right, all right here mailing with us. We we
will spend more time talking about this. I mean, to me,
it's the biggest story of the day, I think locally anytime,
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your arch nemesis, your arch rival in the division. No
disrespect to San Francisco, but you clowns have been replaced
by the LA Rams because they are the legit contender.
They are the legit respected opponent, the rivaled opponent of
the Seattle Seahawks. They are the team to beat if
you're Seattle. They are the team standing in the way
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of you and another NFC West championship and maybe the
number one seed in the NFC. And in my opinion,
they got a whole lot better today I mean they
went out and they just went balls to the wall
with their defense. Dude McDuffie, Watson and now Miles Freakin
Garrett is a member of the La Rams defense.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
Let's get the LA perspective on this.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
Our friend Lindsey Theory gonna hop on from LA next
on ninety three to three KJRFM.
Where we go.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
I gotta be honest with you, Jackson.
Speaker 3 (00:03):
This deal hit me like a ton of bricks this
afternoon when the Miles Garrett ting came down, the reigning
defensive player of the Year going to the La Rams.
And I gotta be honest with you, man. We had
Hugh all planned for four o'clock today and I said, no, no, no, no, no,
we got to get this guy on right at the
freaking top. Because, honestly, Jackson, I'm doing it for selfish reasons.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
I don't want to wait.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
Until four, yeah, to find out what Hugh thinks. Right,
we got to know now what Hugh Millan thinks about
this deal. Nobody does it like Hugh. He's been breaking
down film like crazy since the trade was announced earlier today.
So to hell with waiting until four. We need to
know now what Hugh Millan thinks about the Miles Garrett deal.
And he joins us right now on the radio program.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
How are you, man?
Speaker 1 (00:45):
What's happening? I'm will uh well, I'll tell you what.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
If you're a Seahawk fan, you might be a little
bit unwell after hearing that Miles Garrett is going to
the La Rams. I mean it took a pretty penny, right, man,
Jared Versus's a young star in his own right. Third
year in the NFL. I'm stilling his rookie deal. First
round picked in twenty seven, second round pick in twenty eight,
third rounder in twenty nine. For I don't know, I
(01:08):
guess you can argue maybe the greatest pass rusher in
the history of the National Football League.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
What do you think?
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Well, do you want the good news or the bad news?
Speaker 2 (01:16):
I want all of it, you know what?
Speaker 3 (01:18):
Start with the bad news, all right, kick me in
the nuts and then prop me up.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
How's that sound, ohet, Well.
Speaker 4 (01:24):
The team in your division that is as clearly the
number one contender for you to repeat, they just acquired
a top flight, bona fide, Canton bound Hall of Fame
defensive end. I mean he's in the category of Reggie White,
Bruce Smith, of anybody Lawrence Taylor as an edge guy.
(01:48):
Now they play slightly different positions, but I mean you
take age thirty. Not only does he have is the
all time sack leader age thirty or younger, but the
gap between one and two is greater than the gap
between two and twelve. So the guy's already in ken
(02:09):
and and so you look at it, you say, in
terms of his production, his sack, I mean he's not
only was he number one in the NFL in sacks
there's the NFL. This is not my stat The NFL
has in their stat portal a term called havoc plays,
which are tackle for losses, force fumbles, interceptions, pass breakups,
(02:32):
and sack. He led the NFL all defensive players and
havoc plays, right, and so like the stats are, they're
just all over in terms of pressures, hurries, what have you.
When you watch the tape, guys, the first thing, before
you even snap the ball, what I notice in looking
at him, because you know, I watched the end zone copy.
(02:53):
That's how the that's how Lineman would study the tape
is you watch the end zone copy, but you just
look at him as but as he gets into his stance,
I mean he has this perfect, I mean perfect frame
for a defensive end. He's six four and an eighth Okay,
that's only fifty eighth percentile, but low man wins, right.
But his arms thirty five and a quarter inch arms
(03:17):
are ninety fourth percentile. So you see that when he
wants to convert strength to power, or speed to power,
rather that his long arms come into play. He is
the only man in the history of the combine at
two hundred and seventy pounds or more to have forty
one inches or more on his vertical He's the highest
(03:38):
jump of any man ever at two hundred seventy pounds
or more so, and he had thirty three reps on
the bench ninety fifth percentile on his strength. So when
you watch the tape, he's got the entire arsenal. I mean,
the frame is dead ass perfect. I mean it looks
like he saw it a football in half, put half
(04:00):
the football down his pants on his left hand string
and then the other on his right hand string. I mean,
he just has this incredible frame, thick. But there's a
quickness to him, particularly his second step. We always talked
about the first step. Man that second step, when he
gets going, he shows you a bull rush. He shows
(04:21):
you speed to power. I watched his entire tape of
all the Havoc plays and everything. He shows a speed
and to dip a body control to turn the corner.
He has what I would call a eurostep.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
Dave.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
You know in basketball he's predominantly a right end. In
fact he had he was number one in the NFL
in terms of snaps from the right side. So Charles Cross,
he had a worse day than you did today, Dave Right.
But what the eurostep, I would say, we all know
in basketball that you know those big kind of hops
down the lane. He'll go up and with those long
(04:57):
and he's a high cut guy, long legged guy. He'll
take a step right and he'll burst like he's gonna
try and beat you around the edge, and then he'll
take a big step back lateral. He shows this lateral quickness,
a huge hop to his left foot going into the
B gap that's to the inside of a of a
left tackle, and then he has either the strength or
(05:19):
the burst to finish from there. He had a snap
a sack rather against Trent Williams this past season. I
put my chin on my chest. He did that eurostep
that I just described. Trent Williams barely laid a finger
on it. And so so you now, I would say,
from a technique standpoint, his hands, you know, he doesn't
(05:43):
show signs of a guy that spent a lot of
time with the martial arts guys and really refining his
hand technique.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
But he doesn't need it.
Speaker 4 (05:50):
He sodamn strong and sodamn quick and his and his
body control.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
So anyway, those are just some of the things I
see from the from the tape.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
Well, he's a stud man, He's a stud I mean,
you know, I mean, maybe there's some good news there
for us that starts with him turning thirty one in December.
But as you were talking there, and I was kind
of looking this up this morning that you know, Reggie
White from age thirty one to thirty seven had over
eighty sacks and won the Defensive Player of the Year
when he was thirty seven years old. Bruce Smith from
ninety three to ninety seven, thirty to thirty four, I'm
(06:19):
talking his age now, was a first team All Pro
five years in a row.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
So we've seen, you know, I mean some of the greats.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
And those are two of the guys that you mentioned
along with LT Right, some of the greats find a
way to keep this thing going well into their early thirties.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Do we think that Miles Garrett will do the same
thing with.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
The Rams, Well, those are great numbers when I look
at the guys that at age twenty eight, twenty nine
to thirty one right in that area because he turned
thirty at the end of last year.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
Like he's just sifore correct, right, So.
Speaker 4 (06:52):
The league categorized him as a thirty year old because
he was thirty on December thirty. First, he had a
birthday day or two before. But anyway, so let's just
comparing apples to apples. You need to say, Okay, how
many guys in that age group had eighteen or more sacks?
And then what did they do thereafter? Well, that's where
we kind of mentioned, you know, tongue in cheek. What's
(07:14):
the good news. Well, there is some good news when
you look at at that stat list of guys that
had elite seasons like Garrett did last year at around
this age. If you take the again, these are all
sacks over eighteen sacks seasons, these.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Guys of which there are what's the number on that.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
Of which there are eleven, and they they averaged nineteen
point nine sacks in those elite years, but it dropped
to eight point nine, basically cut in half or more.
And if we just go in the what we'll call
the John Snyder area era, since twenty ten, TJ. Watt
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had nineteen sacks at age twenty nine drop to eleven
and a half, Robert Quinn eighteen and a half, it
dropped to one, Chandler Jones nineteen to one, Jared Allen
went from twenty two to twelve, DeMarcus Ware went from
nineteen and a half sacks to eleven and a half sacks,
and Jason Babin, if you remember him, eighteen sacks to seven.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
Yeah, so that's the John Schneider here.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
So there, every single one of those guys had a
precipitous dropoff after an elite season adder around the year
that that Garrett had, So at least there's some history
that can give you a little riy smile.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Possibly, Well, let's hope that's the case for sure.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
I mean, I'm just, you know, Hugh thinking about last
year's games with the Rams, and all three of them
could have gone the exact opposite way. I mean, the
Hawks were a sixty one yard field goal away from
knocking them off in La despite Darnold's four interceptions. You know,
it took Zach Sharper and a picking a football up
when you know he probably was just gonna give it
to the referee and just say that out with it
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for them to win that game on Thursday night, and
then you had a big fourth down stop in the
NFC Championship. So two teams that are very very very similar,
if not dead on, you know, with each other, and
the Hawks were lucky enough to win two of them.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
But my point is this year, if you believe.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
That the NFC Championship was like the twenty thirteen game,
where that was the real championship. Since that game, the
Seahawks have lost Kenny Walker, Boye Mafey, Kobe Bryant, Reek Will,
and they've gained Dante Fowler. I'm talking about veterans now,
never mind the rookie guys, and the Rams have gotten
Trent McDuffie, Miles Garrett, and Jalen Watson.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
So are the Rams.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Now in your mind, clearly the team to beat, clearly
the team to beat in the NFC West.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
Well, I don't know about clearly.
Speaker 4 (09:41):
I would suppose you could say just based on on
how they were playing at the end of the year.
I mean, they were bouncing on the blade of a
knife right right right the NFC Championship game right went
right down to any particular play. Yeah, I mean we've
talked about how the Seahawks if, as measure by the
following calculus, that the guaranteed money of the player going out.
(10:05):
I think that's a better way to calculate than the
overall contract because a lot of times the money is
just buried it and it's meaningless. But if you go
by percent of guaranteed contract, as we said, Seattle has
lost more talent the net flow because you know, a
backup running back from green Bay for a million and
(10:26):
a half dollars doesn't do much for me, and it
doesn't do much for the Excel spreadsheet that I'm looking
at that charts all this but the right, because that's
just not much of a net an inflow when you
compare the outflow.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
But if we take the net.
Speaker 4 (10:43):
Then Seattle has lost more than any team in the
NFL other than green Bay. And there's an asterisk on
the Packers because, as we've discussed, Malik Willis represents forty
five million of that guaranteed by the Dolphins, and yet
he he uh, he's not the starter for the Packers.
(11:04):
If Jordan Love is healthy, then then that really doesn't
impact the the Packers. So in any event, yes, there
are numbers to support that, and you know, but look
but look to your point, the Rams are playing the
short game on this right Seawks are playing a little
bit more of a long game. And you know they
didn't want to pay Kenneth Walker. They didn't you know,
didn't want to pay boy Mafia. And I agree with
(11:26):
the mafy. I would have done the Kenneth Walker. But
you know he may ask you this. Let me ask
you that started to interrupt you.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
If you're less sneed I mean, look, if you're McVeigh,
do you do this deal? I mean, some some folks think, hey,
maybe better off keeping Jared Verse, paying them less, keeping
the draft picks whatever. Uh, I mean, you know, just
just kind of you know, shiggles and gets here. The
one thing I like about it from a Ram perspective, Hugh,
is that they staggered all these picks they gave up, right.
(11:52):
I mean, they've still got four picks next year. They
got six picks in twenty eight, and they've got six
picks in twenty twenty nine because the first, the second,
the third are all going to fall consecutively in the
next three years, so they're not giving all these picks
up in one draft. Would you have made this deal
if you're the Rams.
Speaker 4 (12:12):
Uh yeah, probably would have. I mean, you look at
the Garrett contract. I think the next three years he's
only at about a million and a half. Maybe you
can pull it up while we're talking. They given where
Stafford is and how I think Matthew Stafford not only
was the MVP last year. I don't want to get
hyperbolic on it, but when I compare MVP seasons, I
(12:34):
think Matthew Stafford had about once every four or five
year MVP season. I don't want to stretch it out
to a decade because maybe I'll be over my skis,
but I think he was that good.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
And so if you.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
Were less need, if you were Sean McVay, you're just
saying like, hey, we got to make this happen. The
you know, you're talking about the future with the Rams.
The ty Simpson acquisition, the draft pick at pick thirteen
was a head scratcher to me, then remains a head scratcher.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
But hey, maybe I'm wrong. Maybe ty Simpson will be.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
An elite quarterback as the successor to Matthew Stafford. But
for the time being, clearly they're all in, and one
can infer that it's because of Matthew Stafford and his
age and possibly his health because he didn't throw the
football through August, so I would probably I wasn't feeling
(13:26):
really bad from a Seawk perspective about this until I
spent the whole freaking afternoon watching the damn Miles Garrett
tape from last year. And then after I watched the
Miles Garrett tape, I immediately throw on the Jared Verse
tape and the difference between Miles Garrett and Jared Verse.
And I understand Jared Versus is a top level player,
(13:49):
but that's the difference between a top level NFL player
and a Canton Lock, a Reggie White. You know, like
you can't put a category, you cannot describe a category that.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
Miles Garrett is. His not in for edge rushers.
Speaker 4 (14:09):
He's in the group with everybody that you would think of,
and anybody, I should say, in terms of of just
you know, Canton style, unbelievable mayhem producing defensive ends.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
That's what he was.
Speaker 4 (14:25):
He set the damn record, And we talked about the
havocs and the quarterback hits and the pressures, and so
when you throw on the tape and you watch the
end zone copy, and you just assess the quickness, the moves,
the strength, the body control.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
Jared Versus is a JV player.
Speaker 4 (14:40):
He's not even playing on Friday nights when you compare
him to Miles Garrett. Now, hopefully, as as we talked
about the decline, maybe hopefully there's a decline for.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
Garrett right well, no doubt, no doubt or I mean, look,
I'm not above it. I mean, Michah Parson's got traded
from the pack from the Cowboys the Packers and got hurt.
It just didn't work out because you got banged. I mean,
you know, if Miles Garrett wants to have a groin
injury that lingers the entire year, that hobbles him, I'm
fine with that. I'm totally cool with that because I'll
tell you what you mentioned, feeling worse after you watch
(15:11):
the tape. I feel worse after I just looked at
his cap hits the next five years with the Rams.
Have you seen this, By the way, twenty twenty six,
eight point one, twenty seven, sixteen million, twenty eight, twenty
one point three CAP's gonna go up exponentially. The big
money doesn't even hit in until twenty nine and thirty
at forty two and forty nine. But hell, if you're
(15:32):
McVeigh and less snead, that's that's that's that's.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
A thousand years away.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
You you deal with that, then you got three years
of minimal cap damage.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
One draft pick a year you gotta give up to
get this guy. Are you kidding me? Are you kidding me?
Speaker 1 (15:45):
Hugh, Yeah, no doubt.
Speaker 4 (15:47):
And uh And if you go back to the Rams
when they won the twenty twenty one Super Bowl, I
my memory's a little fuzzy on I gotta go reacquaint
myself with it. But remember they were, they were acquired
Odell Beckham, they were they were seemingly all in in
twenty twenty one, right, and we thought, okay, well all
these you know, we kind of said, okay, yeah, you
won the Super Bowl, but you're gonna you know, have
(16:08):
to pay the piper at some point, or the pay
the piper at some point and then somehow less need
and you know, they and you know Kevin Demoff as
the president there they work some kind of magic because
they remain competitive. And here they are back at it
with with a hopefully from their perspective, a second ring
(16:30):
for Matthew Stafford and everybody attached to it. So it's
an interesting game plan. They've made it work before in
twenty one, twenty twenty one, playing the short game. They're
playing the short game again.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
No doubt, no doubt.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
Well, it's gonna make for a hell of a back
and forth, a hell of a fight. And we'll see
if the Niners are even involved in that fight at
all this coming season. All right, dude, great stuff. Man,
appreciate this, love it, and we'll talk soon. Pal hammer down.
All right, all right here mailing with us. We we
will spend more time talking about this. I mean, to me,
it's the biggest story of the day, I think locally anytime,
(17:02):
your arch nemesis, your arch rival in the division. No
disrespect to San Francisco, but you clowns have been replaced
by the LA Rams because they are the legit contender.
They are the legit respected opponent, the rivaled opponent of
the Seattle Seahawks. They are the team to beat if
you're Seattle. They are the team standing in the way
(17:22):
of you and another NFC West championship and maybe the
number one seed in the NFC. And in my opinion,
they got a whole lot better today I mean they
went out and they just went balls to the wall
with their defense. Dude McDuffie, Watson and now Miles Freakin
Garrett is a member of the La Rams defense.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
Let's get the LA perspective on this.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
Our friend Lindsey Theory gonna hop on from LA next
on ninety three to three KJRFM.
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