May 8, 2026 • 22 mins
Hugh Millen joins Softy and Dick Fain to discuss the Seahawks impending sale and the potential owners that have been reported this week and the hopes for who-ever comes to own the team, Seattle’s addition of Dante Fowler and what he adds to the defense, the state of the defensive line at this time, and the draft being full of secondary players.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:18):
Get to Humillin right now. All right.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
We have not had Hugh on the air since the
story came out the other day about the ownership possibilities
for the Seattle Seahawks, and I desperately, desperately wanted to
have Hugh on that dayd said, nope, nope, nope, just
let it marinate. You'll get him on Friday, All Live
at five and we'll get huge thoughts.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Then let the people wait, Let.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
The people wait, let them rot, let them suffer, all right,
let them appreciate not having Hue on the air. Well
Sportico Hugh A couple of days ago. Yesterday actually reported
that Indian steel tycoon Aditya Mattal and current minority owner
of the Celtics Wick Grosbuck plus Sun Microsystems co founder
(00:59):
vanad Colesla we're going to put in offers for the Seahawks.
And then today ESPN reported but they're kind of backtracking
here a little bit. This Canadian guy who is a
real estate and private equity mogul, Steve Apostelopolis no relation
to snuffle up Agus that he might be involved as well.
So when you hear these names and hear these possibilities, man, what.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Do you what do you think?
Speaker 4 (01:23):
Well, I just want to see who's the most Jody
Allen and Paul Allen like, right, hey, you keep the
money flowing and stay the hell out of the way,
is really how you'd condense it in looking at them.
You know, the the GROSSPEC middle group they've got more
money twenty four billion. The coastla at more like fourteen billion,
(01:48):
could be a factor. I kind of like that Grossbeck
was an owner of the Celtics. They won two titles,
and you know he by all accounts that I I've
been able to ascertain, he's kind of let Brad Stevens
do his thing now. He's not a Paul Allen, you know,
low profile guy. He's kind of the high energy, high
(02:10):
energy superfan type, more along the lines of a Steve Balmer, right,
but I think I think there's something there concrete. As
far as Cosla, I'm not deterred by the fact that
you know, he's a three point one percent, I believe
owner of the forty nine ers, you know, and he's
from the Bay Area. You know, he's he's dipped his
(02:30):
toe in being an owner. I'm sure you know some
people say, well, is I don't want anybody from the
forty nine ers.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
I think if he's the majority owner of the Seahawks,
I think he's all in on the Seahawks. But you know,
in that sense, he probably be from a personality standpoint,
more like Paul Allen, obviously a tech guy and personality
stay out of the way. You know, the other guys,
you know, maybe they made their money and steel versus
tech kids, and you know, it's almost the contract contrast
(02:59):
is obviously start. So anyway, I probably among that two groups.
Just what I've been able to ascertain slight leading to
Grossbeck middle but right, But I could be uh, I
could go along with the coast Ide really want Balmer
would be my first choice, But at any event, we'll
see how it plays out there. You know, both of
them are intriguing.
Speaker 5 (03:19):
Well, your point is well taken about not you know,
the fans that wouldn't want a forty nine or owner.
Wait a second, does that mean you wouldn't want a
forty nine or free agent if he chose he'd rather
play in Seattle than play in San Francisco. I don't
think it's you just inserting logic right about that. So
what would be what would be a red flag? Either
pre sale red flag with one of the candidates or
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post sale where you were like, oh, this isn't good.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
Well, I think unnecessarily meddling.
Speaker 4 (03:48):
You know, I think that they've got a pretty good
thing going on the football side, certainly for the Seahawks,
probably on the business side as well. But any meddling
that would turn off John Snyder and make him feel
compelled I'll just wait out my contract and then you know,
see who wants my services?
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Answer?
Speaker 4 (04:06):
Probably just about every team in the NFL, maybe this
side of the Philadelphia Eagles with with with Roseman, right,
Howie Roseman. But but that would be the thing that
would concern me the most is the meddling on the
football side of it. And then if he can't if
they don't have the cash flow for some reason. Now
there's a strict thirty percent, you gotta have thirty percent
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of the value. These guys have that money. But if
for some reason they're cash flow with restrict you know,
let's say you sign a high profile quarterback and you
know high and you know, you know in the future,
sixty seventy eighty million dollars signing boss, and then they say, well, okay,
we gotta let's let's put a lid on spending. You know,
I'll only allow you, you know, twenty million or less
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for the remainder of our our acquisis. I'm just pulling
those numbers out. I mean, just if you can, if
you can lock in on the philosophy, you can quibble
then with the numbers. I don't want him any owner
allowing the Seahawks to be at a competitive disadvantage due
to cash flow.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
Right, Well, the good news about John Schneider, Guys, unless
he just quits, I guess is he's locked in through
twenty thousand and thirty one.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
I mean, he's got six years.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
Left on his damp faster than you think, Oh, no doubt,
a young man six years is six years. I mean,
that's like him and McDonald are going to get a
shot to be together for eight seasons, which is awesome
if it does happen like that.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
I think you and I Dave share this opinion. A factor,
let me use my words carefully, A factor for Kaylin
de Boor leaving for Alabama was Troy Dannon, right percent.
If you don't like your boss, then you know, of
course Dannon didn't hire him, so you know there we
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just don't want anybody involved on the on the football
side of things or any other side of things that
doing their job well right and then for some reason
they're put off stylistically or the constraints that maybe put
on all of that is you know, it would be conjecture,
but those are the kind of things that you're concerned about.
(06:11):
I'm not sure how much of that we can nail
down right now, other than again, prospect. You know, he
was the owner of the Celtics when they won two championships,
and by all accounts he stayed the hell out of
the way from from Brests. That to me would be
enough for me to lean in that direction.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
Yeah, I mean, there's stories down there that will come
out later.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
I mean, whatever but people I didn't kind of know
that Troy Dannon was not a good fit at all
for U dub. I don't think people realize what a
dipstick this guy really was when he was here in Seattle.
And there's a lot of stories that are yet to
be told. We've told a lot. I've told the story
on the air view about how we tried to have
me and Dick thrown out of Jedfish's introductory press conference
(06:51):
for simply going over his resume on the air. I mean,
the guy was a world class clown when he was
here in Seattle. And you're right, partially cost this hawks
or the Huskies Klin de boor. I'm not saying he
were a state of jen was here, but they would
have had a much better shot.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
But Humil One's with us and Hugh.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
I mean, look, obviously there's a shot that we could
have a new owner by September. And look, I mean,
nobody really knows for you sure, John Gonzano's been on
with us many times talking about the Allen estate and
what their job is. It sounds like they're just looking
for the biggest check they can find. I'm just hopeful
and maybe naively so that they do what you want,
right what you talked about, that they look for somebody
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who's going to run this thing the way Paul Allen
and Jody Allen would have wanted it run. And I
hope that they put in the effort to make that happen,
because getting billions of dollars to donate to charity is
not going to be a problem. They'll get their billions
of dollars to donate to charity, but getting a guy
to run this thing the way Paul did might be
a problem.
Speaker 4 (07:49):
Yeah, well, we don't know. I'll speak for myself. I
don't know all of the details of the terms of
his will and whether or not terms can be enforced
in the contract of the sale. I would be interested in, Hey,
the team isn't going to be moved, you know. Obviously
Paul Allen lived through watching the Sonics depart, and as
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a native seattleite, I'm a sports fan. I would assume
that that on some level that that was of great
disappointment to him. So if if that's something that can
be ensured, that that would be something that would be
intriguing to me. I think twenty thirty one that's probably
isn't that the year that the seas lease ends at
the stadium.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
I think it's a year earlier, but yeah around there. Okay, right,
well that's going to happen fast, right, sure. So Look,
do I have a fear that anybody would want to
take the Seahawks in any real sense?
Speaker 2 (08:44):
No?
Speaker 4 (08:45):
But the probability is what do we say, everything lies
between zero and a hundred, and so if it's if
it's greater than zero, and it is, then you know,
I'll just be slightly concerned until we see the intent
of somebody that we're to acquire the Seahawks. And you know,
particularly when you start saying, well, it's not just domestic markets,
(09:08):
whether it's London or in Mexico City, I mean I
think that certainly Roger Goodella has indicated his desire to
grow the sport. I don't want the Seahawks to be
the inaugural franchise over the overseas, right, And you're.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Not you're not worried about that at all? Well, You're
probability is so low, but you know I don't.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
Of course, of course, Hugh, there's a chance that Michelle
leaves you for me. Okay, it's not zero and it's
not one hundred, but there's a chance. Yeah, I'd be
more concerned about your wife leaving you for me than
the Seahawks playing in London.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
By the way, again, that's fair, Okay.
Speaker 4 (09:47):
Well, I'm yeah, I think that the metaphysical certainty limits
have just been reached.
Speaker 5 (09:55):
Well, Hugh, I want to get your take on how
much the Seahawks passed rush has improved since the last
time we talked to you because the addition of Dante Fowler.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Yeah, I've watched a lot of Tapa.
Speaker 4 (10:06):
Dante Fowler been in the league for a bit, but
he's only thirty one years old. Remember now, in the
rotation for the Seahawks, you know, they had you know,
d Law and Nuosu kind of the older guys, and
then you know, Derek Hall and Mafey were the young
you know. So this beautiful four man rotation with with
what I would call the young guys Mafe and.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
Them coming in.
Speaker 4 (10:29):
And so I would say that now you look and
see what was the what Mafey brought you And he
was maybe the twitchiest pass rusher of the four, the
least capable against the run. Uh So Mafe had and
(10:51):
fifty nine snaps last year, Fouler three fifty eight. The
win rate for Mafay it was seventeen point four percent
versus Fowler fourteen point one percent. On the ESPN Pass
Rush win ranking, Fowler was thirtieth, Mafey was eighth ranked.
(11:12):
But you've got a guy, Uh, there's a similarity there
coming off the right side, where Mafey was sixty one
percent of his snaps, we're at right end with Fowler
sixty nine percent. So having that, you know, that open it,
you know, going against the left tackle. Now the tape
that I watched, you know, for the entirety of the
(11:33):
season last year, watching Fowler with the Cowboys, I thought
that he got better as the season went along. I
mean those first few weeks, you know, I don't know
what injury or what situation he had, but he had
more moves.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
At the end of the year.
Speaker 4 (11:49):
He had some in and out. He was ripping and
trying to turn the corner more. Early on, I was saying, Okay,
this is a speed to power guy. So so he's
gonna line up wide, He's going to try and remember
now he's an athlete that you know, a third overall.
Picking the draft coming out of Florida. So there was
a thought about him being an elite level traits guy.
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And so when you walk you throw on the tape,
you say, okay, I see, you know, a big dude
who's got a pretty good burst coming off. And then
he but but he doesn't believe in his ability to
turn the corner to truly try and beat the tackle
to the edge and try and get around him, you know,
rip his inside arm and turn the corner and get
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to the quarterback. He's more of a guy that wants
to start as if he's going to do that and
then convert speed to power and turn it into a
bull rush with the tackle off off of his balance.
And where there was effectiveness, it was primarily that. As
the season went along, I saw more moves inside, more
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you know, spin, move here or there, you know, ability
to try and turn the corner. So I thought that
he got better through the Now his three sacks are
all useless. You're gonna hear three sacks, just take it
from me. Ene of these matter he had. He chased
Mahomes down from the right side all the way to
the left sideline on a on a and six point
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two seconds after the ball was snapped. That's the NFL's
official category against a booty. Against the Cardinals, he was
totally unblocked running quarterback ran right into him. And then
he had a fast sack against the Jets two point
one seconds, But that was going against a running back
where the tackle blocked down on a play action and
all he had to do was run through the running
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back like a traffic cone.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
He did, and he got the sack.
Speaker 4 (13:40):
On on the Jet quarterback two point one seconds also
at an event. That's that's kind of the rough summary
of what was on tape.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
This sounds awfully familiar to the conversation we had last
offseason about DeMarcus Lawrence Bingo.
Speaker 4 (13:59):
I was gonna mention that I'm glad that you you
recognize that. Yeah, yeah, because he had I think he
had three sacks uh D law and and and there.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
You know, there's kind of a a tepid.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
Assessment and and you know that, which is why the
league speaks. I mean, we're talking about a defensive end
with trades. You know, he's gonna have high value and
uh and and and so for five million. You know,
there's a lot of similarities where they say, Okay, the
league doesn't think a great deal of this guy. But
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then you got Mike McDonald who says, you know what,
I know, I know how to use this dude. And
of course Adam Dirday having coached him at Dallas, there's
that connection. He knows his personality and knows, you know,
much more of the the vicissitudes of his of his
game and what they can lean on and what they
need to steer away from. So they're gonna have a plan.
(14:56):
And uh, you know, I just believe in the dudes
that are making decision. In written you on the other.
Speaker 5 (15:00):
Side of the ball, I don't think i've gotten your
take on on Harrison Brian yet. Is he a guy
that can help or is he just a guy that
might not even make the team?
Speaker 4 (15:12):
I gotta I'm not going to just shoot from the
hip on the we'll go, we'll go.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
Don't we have a more for on Monday?
Speaker 4 (15:21):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (15:21):
It is.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
I feel I'll save it. Let's just table that, why
don't we? Well, then then let's get to the next one.
Because I remember talking to you a few weeks ago
or a week ago or so after the draft and
asking you, all, right, where are they deficient?
Speaker 2 (15:36):
And you said edge Rusher.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
Well, they seemingly have maybe not fixed it, but they've
addressed it with Dante Fowl, or they've addressed their secondary.
They've addressed I think at least competition for Bradford at guard.
Where are they deficient right now? You think on their
roster if they are.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
Well, I think that.
Speaker 4 (15:56):
Uh And and by the way, I think that if
you're you're talking about the defensive ends, just remember this name.
You've heard it before. I just want to remind Jared Ivy.
I think that that internally they really feel like this
is a dude that can come on. So let's see
if that emerges. You know, in a similar manner, they
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think aj Finley at safety really is ready for a jump.
And so they've got some guys in the building. I
think the Seahawks were number one in the NFL. Don't
quote me on that, but I thought that I had
learned that they were number one in the NFL with
twenty four rookies in the building last year. You know,
obviously with practice squad and everything, and so they like
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their ability to have scouted those guys right and to
have developed those guys behind the scenes on the practice squad,
and they have an eye on those guys. You know,
I'm not sitting here telling you that that they think
twenty two guys can play. But of the twenty four,
if they say, hey, here's two or three or four
guys that that are going to surprise you of the
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twenty four, that gives you some confidence that maybe there
are some people in in you know, in the building
that are ready to pop. But answering your question, I
you know, they they got a running back in the
first round. I think that was their primary need. As
you said, they got the h The competition that at
right guard is very interesting because you got a first
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team All American who is judged to have been, you know,
deficient in physical traits. That's somewhat like Olua Timmy right
at center right who won that the remanton.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
Was the reason why he fell, is what you're saying. Yeah,
and he's also an Outland Trophy win right, you know.
Speaker 4 (17:39):
So, so the athletic traits are concerned, I would say
the age of the defensive line in some key areas,
you know, when are you going to see a drop off?
It's likely that that one of them. If you just
play the odds, you know, you got Leonard Williams over thirty,
and you got Nuosu, and you got obviously d Law
and you've got now you've acquired Fowler.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
Like, somebody's going to hit a.
Speaker 4 (18:04):
Wall and we don't know who it's going to be,
but somebody's gonna likely to have had a disappointing season
in twenty twenty six among that group. So I don't
think they're at an A plus level going into camp
at defensive end. But you got a coach that that
doesn't need a plus D A plus defensive ends. I've
referenced it many times with the Ravens. His last year's
the defense coordinator Mike McDonald. He had that defense lead
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the NFL and sacks despite having defensive ends that were
both over thirty and both on at least their fifth team,
which is the definition of a journeyman and so and
yet they won. They led the NFL and sacks. So
McDonald knows how to take some of these older guys
and put them in a rotation and let each guy
perform their skill set, keep them away from their their weaknesses,
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and find a way to, you know, on the aggregate,
play great defense. He's done it before Seattle. He's done
it with Seattle. There's no reason to believe he's not
going to do it this season.
Speaker 5 (18:59):
So you feel pretty confident in the back end. I mean,
they went hard to draft these guys in the back end,
I mean Julie and Neil and Bud Clark and even
later on down with Fuller. And what does that mean
for the guys that were here, Like a guy like
Tyle Kotta, for example, I thought was pretty good last
year and played a lot last year.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
I mean, is he getting pushed out?
Speaker 4 (19:19):
I don't think he's getting pushed out. I think he'll
take the first rep of training camp. But I think
Bud Clark, uh yeah, I mean, you know, bet Clark
was a three year captain. I mean, guy played like
five years. He's got a ton of experience, and obviously
he's a better athlete than Okada. But you know, so
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it was just about everybody on the on the roster.
Ocata's I'm doing it by you know, just toughness and
guile and technique and what have you. But but yeah,
I would say that's that's right. Nobody's just be surprised
if Bud Clark wins the starting job, either in training
camp or at some point before or Halloween, right, because
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he's that much experience, he was drafted that highly and
and he's got that skill set. He's a superior athlete.
So now it's just a case of is he going
to uh uh, you know, learn the sex system. I
mean if if you go back to a year ago
and you say, Okay, what were we saying about nick
em and worry, Well, I'll tell you what I was saying.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
I remember visit vividly, just watching his South Carolina tape.
He was better.
Speaker 4 (20:25):
His best attribute was playing in the curl flat closer
to the line of scrimmage. So did not like him
in the uh uh, in the back end as a
back end safety. He didn't think his instincts, his movement
was great. But but let him be in a curl
flat and he can cover ground use that athleticism.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
I didn't. I didn't.
Speaker 4 (20:44):
I wasn't overwhelmed with his hammer, Like I'm not seeing
the cam chance or wow hit where you're libel to
just the force of the of the violence is liable
to just produce a fumble because it's so violent. You know,
didn't see that. Guess what didn't see that?
Speaker 2 (20:59):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (21:00):
With the Seahawks, either, but he was a great freaking player.
They played unless I think eight or nine snaps in
the back end, they kept them at the line of scrimmage.
They he essentially was a nickel. Sam said that all year,
and and and yet he outplayed what what people projected
in part because of Mike McDonald.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
Mike McDonald knows.
Speaker 4 (21:23):
How to teach, He knows how to put people around
him to make him, let him do the things that
that that plays that allows him to be successful. So
I think Bud Clark you can expect some really cool
stuff out of him. Uh Dick inclusioning as you said,
julian Neal, you know those are two of your top
three draft picks at positions that that the coaching staff
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is extraordinary at getting, you know, maximizing the potential.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
I love it, all right, listen, great stuff. All right,
we'll talk on Monday at four, all right, but I'm
to do the weekend, all right. You'remailing with us, We're
gonna break. We're shifting things around today. Tony astra Cone
will join us at six, So little you make the
call next at four nine, four five one get him
in now.
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Speaker 2 (00:18):
Get to Humillin right now. All right.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
We have not had Hugh on the air since the
story came out the other day about the ownership possibilities
for the Seattle Seahawks, and I desperately, desperately wanted to
have Hugh on that dayd said, nope, nope, nope, just
let it marinate. You'll get him on Friday, All Live
at five and we'll get huge thoughts.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Then let the people wait, Let.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
The people wait, let them rot, let them suffer, all right,
let them appreciate not having Hue on the air. Well
Sportico Hugh A couple of days ago. Yesterday actually reported
that Indian steel tycoon Aditya Mattal and current minority owner
of the Celtics Wick Grosbuck plus Sun Microsystems co founder
(00:59):
vanad Colesla we're going to put in offers for the Seahawks.
And then today ESPN reported but they're kind of backtracking
here a little bit. This Canadian guy who is a
real estate and private equity mogul, Steve Apostelopolis no relation
to snuffle up Agus that he might be involved as well.
So when you hear these names and hear these possibilities, man, what.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Do you what do you think?
Speaker 4 (01:23):
Well, I just want to see who's the most Jody
Allen and Paul Allen like, right, hey, you keep the
money flowing and stay the hell out of the way,
is really how you'd condense it in looking at them.
You know, the the GROSSPEC middle group they've got more
money twenty four billion. The coastla at more like fourteen billion,
(01:48):
could be a factor. I kind of like that Grossbeck
was an owner of the Celtics. They won two titles,
and you know he by all accounts that I I've
been able to ascertain, he's kind of let Brad Stevens
do his thing now. He's not a Paul Allen, you know,
low profile guy. He's kind of the high energy, high
(02:10):
energy superfan type, more along the lines of a Steve Balmer, right,
but I think I think there's something there concrete. As
far as Cosla, I'm not deterred by the fact that
you know, he's a three point one percent, I believe
owner of the forty nine ers, you know, and he's
from the Bay Area. You know, he's he's dipped his
(02:30):
toe in being an owner. I'm sure you know some
people say, well, is I don't want anybody from the
forty nine ers.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
I think if he's the majority owner of the Seahawks,
I think he's all in on the Seahawks. But you know,
in that sense, he probably be from a personality standpoint,
more like Paul Allen, obviously a tech guy and personality
stay out of the way. You know, the other guys,
you know, maybe they made their money and steel versus
tech kids, and you know, it's almost the contract contrast
(02:59):
is obviously start. So anyway, I probably among that two groups.
Just what I've been able to ascertain slight leading to
Grossbeck middle but right, But I could be uh, I
could go along with the coast Ide really want Balmer
would be my first choice, But at any event, we'll
see how it plays out there. You know, both of
them are intriguing.
Speaker 5 (03:19):
Well, your point is well taken about not you know,
the fans that wouldn't want a forty nine or owner.
Wait a second, does that mean you wouldn't want a
forty nine or free agent if he chose he'd rather
play in Seattle than play in San Francisco. I don't
think it's you just inserting logic right about that. So
what would be what would be a red flag? Either
pre sale red flag with one of the candidates or
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post sale where you were like, oh, this isn't good.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
Well, I think unnecessarily meddling.
Speaker 4 (03:48):
You know, I think that they've got a pretty good
thing going on the football side, certainly for the Seahawks,
probably on the business side as well. But any meddling
that would turn off John Snyder and make him feel
compelled I'll just wait out my contract and then you know,
see who wants my services?
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Answer?
Speaker 4 (04:06):
Probably just about every team in the NFL, maybe this
side of the Philadelphia Eagles with with with Roseman, right,
Howie Roseman. But but that would be the thing that
would concern me the most is the meddling on the
football side of it. And then if he can't if
they don't have the cash flow for some reason. Now
there's a strict thirty percent, you gotta have thirty percent
(04:28):
of the value. These guys have that money. But if
for some reason they're cash flow with restrict you know,
let's say you sign a high profile quarterback and you
know high and you know, you know in the future,
sixty seventy eighty million dollars signing boss, and then they say, well, okay,
we gotta let's let's put a lid on spending. You know,
I'll only allow you, you know, twenty million or less
(04:51):
for the remainder of our our acquisis. I'm just pulling
those numbers out. I mean, just if you can, if
you can lock in on the philosophy, you can quibble
then with the numbers. I don't want him any owner
allowing the Seahawks to be at a competitive disadvantage due
to cash flow.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
Right, Well, the good news about John Schneider, Guys, unless
he just quits, I guess is he's locked in through
twenty thousand and thirty one.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
I mean, he's got six years.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
Left on his damp faster than you think, Oh, no doubt,
a young man six years is six years. I mean,
that's like him and McDonald are going to get a
shot to be together for eight seasons, which is awesome
if it does happen like that.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
I think you and I Dave share this opinion. A factor,
let me use my words carefully, A factor for Kaylin
de Boor leaving for Alabama was Troy Dannon, right percent.
If you don't like your boss, then you know, of
course Dannon didn't hire him, so you know there we
(05:51):
just don't want anybody involved on the on the football
side of things or any other side of things that
doing their job well right and then for some reason
they're put off stylistically or the constraints that maybe put
on all of that is you know, it would be conjecture,
but those are the kind of things that you're concerned about.
(06:11):
I'm not sure how much of that we can nail
down right now, other than again, prospect. You know, he
was the owner of the Celtics when they won two championships,
and by all accounts he stayed the hell out of
the way from from Brests. That to me would be
enough for me to lean in that direction.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
Yeah, I mean, there's stories down there that will come
out later.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
I mean, whatever but people I didn't kind of know
that Troy Dannon was not a good fit at all
for U dub. I don't think people realize what a
dipstick this guy really was when he was here in Seattle.
And there's a lot of stories that are yet to
be told. We've told a lot. I've told the story
on the air view about how we tried to have
me and Dick thrown out of Jedfish's introductory press conference
(06:51):
for simply going over his resume on the air. I mean,
the guy was a world class clown when he was
here in Seattle. And you're right, partially cost this hawks
or the Huskies Klin de boor. I'm not saying he
were a state of jen was here, but they would
have had a much better shot.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
But Humil One's with us and Hugh.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
I mean, look, obviously there's a shot that we could
have a new owner by September. And look, I mean,
nobody really knows for you sure, John Gonzano's been on
with us many times talking about the Allen estate and
what their job is. It sounds like they're just looking
for the biggest check they can find. I'm just hopeful
and maybe naively so that they do what you want,
right what you talked about, that they look for somebody
(07:29):
who's going to run this thing the way Paul Allen
and Jody Allen would have wanted it run. And I
hope that they put in the effort to make that happen,
because getting billions of dollars to donate to charity is
not going to be a problem. They'll get their billions
of dollars to donate to charity, but getting a guy
to run this thing the way Paul did might be
a problem.
Speaker 4 (07:49):
Yeah, well, we don't know. I'll speak for myself. I
don't know all of the details of the terms of
his will and whether or not terms can be enforced
in the contract of the sale. I would be interested in, Hey,
the team isn't going to be moved, you know. Obviously
Paul Allen lived through watching the Sonics depart, and as
(08:12):
a native seattleite, I'm a sports fan. I would assume
that that on some level that that was of great
disappointment to him. So if if that's something that can
be ensured, that that would be something that would be
intriguing to me. I think twenty thirty one that's probably
isn't that the year that the seas lease ends at
the stadium.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
I think it's a year earlier, but yeah around there. Okay, right,
well that's going to happen fast, right, sure. So Look,
do I have a fear that anybody would want to
take the Seahawks in any real sense?
Speaker 2 (08:44):
No?
Speaker 4 (08:45):
But the probability is what do we say, everything lies
between zero and a hundred, and so if it's if
it's greater than zero, and it is, then you know,
I'll just be slightly concerned until we see the intent
of somebody that we're to acquire the Seahawks. And you know,
particularly when you start saying, well, it's not just domestic markets,
(09:08):
whether it's London or in Mexico City, I mean I
think that certainly Roger Goodella has indicated his desire to
grow the sport. I don't want the Seahawks to be
the inaugural franchise over the overseas, right, And you're.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Not you're not worried about that at all? Well, You're
probability is so low, but you know I don't.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
Of course, of course, Hugh, there's a chance that Michelle
leaves you for me. Okay, it's not zero and it's
not one hundred, but there's a chance. Yeah, I'd be
more concerned about your wife leaving you for me than
the Seahawks playing in London.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
By the way, again, that's fair, Okay.
Speaker 4 (09:47):
Well, I'm yeah, I think that the metaphysical certainty limits
have just been reached.
Speaker 5 (09:55):
Well, Hugh, I want to get your take on how
much the Seahawks passed rush has improved since the last
time we talked to you because the addition of Dante Fowler.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Yeah, I've watched a lot of Tapa.
Speaker 4 (10:06):
Dante Fowler been in the league for a bit, but
he's only thirty one years old. Remember now, in the
rotation for the Seahawks, you know, they had you know,
d Law and Nuosu kind of the older guys, and
then you know, Derek Hall and Mafey were the young
you know. So this beautiful four man rotation with with
what I would call the young guys Mafe and.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
Them coming in.
Speaker 4 (10:29):
And so I would say that now you look and
see what was the what Mafey brought you And he
was maybe the twitchiest pass rusher of the four, the
least capable against the run. Uh So Mafe had and
(10:51):
fifty nine snaps last year, Fouler three fifty eight. The
win rate for Mafay it was seventeen point four percent
versus Fowler fourteen point one percent. On the ESPN Pass
Rush win ranking, Fowler was thirtieth, Mafey was eighth ranked.
(11:12):
But you've got a guy, Uh, there's a similarity there
coming off the right side, where Mafey was sixty one
percent of his snaps, we're at right end with Fowler
sixty nine percent. So having that, you know, that open it,
you know, going against the left tackle. Now the tape
that I watched, you know, for the entirety of the
(11:33):
season last year, watching Fowler with the Cowboys, I thought
that he got better as the season went along. I
mean those first few weeks, you know, I don't know
what injury or what situation he had, but he had
more moves.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
At the end of the year.
Speaker 4 (11:49):
He had some in and out. He was ripping and
trying to turn the corner more. Early on, I was saying, Okay,
this is a speed to power guy. So so he's
gonna line up wide, He's going to try and remember
now he's an athlete that you know, a third overall.
Picking the draft coming out of Florida. So there was
a thought about him being an elite level traits guy.
(12:11):
And so when you walk you throw on the tape,
you say, okay, I see, you know, a big dude
who's got a pretty good burst coming off. And then
he but but he doesn't believe in his ability to
turn the corner to truly try and beat the tackle
to the edge and try and get around him, you know,
rip his inside arm and turn the corner and get
(12:32):
to the quarterback. He's more of a guy that wants
to start as if he's going to do that and
then convert speed to power and turn it into a
bull rush with the tackle off off of his balance.
And where there was effectiveness, it was primarily that. As
the season went along, I saw more moves inside, more
(12:54):
you know, spin, move here or there, you know, ability
to try and turn the corner. So I thought that
he got better through the Now his three sacks are
all useless. You're gonna hear three sacks, just take it
from me. Ene of these matter he had. He chased
Mahomes down from the right side all the way to
the left sideline on a on a and six point
(13:15):
two seconds after the ball was snapped. That's the NFL's
official category against a booty. Against the Cardinals, he was
totally unblocked running quarterback ran right into him. And then
he had a fast sack against the Jets two point
one seconds, But that was going against a running back
where the tackle blocked down on a play action and
all he had to do was run through the running
(13:37):
back like a traffic cone.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
He did, and he got the sack.
Speaker 4 (13:40):
On on the Jet quarterback two point one seconds also
at an event. That's that's kind of the rough summary
of what was on tape.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
This sounds awfully familiar to the conversation we had last
offseason about DeMarcus Lawrence Bingo.
Speaker 4 (13:59):
I was gonna mention that I'm glad that you you
recognize that. Yeah, yeah, because he had I think he
had three sacks uh D law and and and there.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
You know, there's kind of a a tepid.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
Assessment and and you know that, which is why the
league speaks. I mean, we're talking about a defensive end
with trades. You know, he's gonna have high value and
uh and and and so for five million. You know,
there's a lot of similarities where they say, Okay, the
league doesn't think a great deal of this guy. But
(14:33):
then you got Mike McDonald who says, you know what,
I know, I know how to use this dude. And
of course Adam Dirday having coached him at Dallas, there's
that connection. He knows his personality and knows, you know,
much more of the the vicissitudes of his of his
game and what they can lean on and what they
need to steer away from. So they're gonna have a plan.
(14:56):
And uh, you know, I just believe in the dudes
that are making decision. In written you on the other.
Speaker 5 (15:00):
Side of the ball, I don't think i've gotten your
take on on Harrison Brian yet. Is he a guy
that can help or is he just a guy that
might not even make the team?
Speaker 4 (15:12):
I gotta I'm not going to just shoot from the
hip on the we'll go, we'll go.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
Don't we have a more for on Monday?
Speaker 4 (15:21):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (15:21):
It is.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
I feel I'll save it. Let's just table that, why
don't we? Well, then then let's get to the next one.
Because I remember talking to you a few weeks ago
or a week ago or so after the draft and
asking you, all, right, where are they deficient?
Speaker 2 (15:36):
And you said edge Rusher.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
Well, they seemingly have maybe not fixed it, but they've
addressed it with Dante Fowl, or they've addressed their secondary.
They've addressed I think at least competition for Bradford at guard.
Where are they deficient right now? You think on their
roster if they are.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
Well, I think that.
Speaker 4 (15:56):
Uh And and by the way, I think that if
you're you're talking about the defensive ends, just remember this name.
You've heard it before. I just want to remind Jared Ivy.
I think that that internally they really feel like this
is a dude that can come on. So let's see
if that emerges. You know, in a similar manner, they
(16:19):
think aj Finley at safety really is ready for a jump.
And so they've got some guys in the building. I
think the Seahawks were number one in the NFL. Don't
quote me on that, but I thought that I had
learned that they were number one in the NFL with
twenty four rookies in the building last year. You know,
obviously with practice squad and everything, and so they like
(16:41):
their ability to have scouted those guys right and to
have developed those guys behind the scenes on the practice squad,
and they have an eye on those guys. You know,
I'm not sitting here telling you that that they think
twenty two guys can play. But of the twenty four,
if they say, hey, here's two or three or four
guys that that are going to surprise you of the
(17:03):
twenty four, that gives you some confidence that maybe there
are some people in in you know, in the building
that are ready to pop. But answering your question, I
you know, they they got a running back in the
first round. I think that was their primary need. As
you said, they got the h The competition that at
right guard is very interesting because you got a first
(17:24):
team All American who is judged to have been, you know,
deficient in physical traits. That's somewhat like Olua Timmy right
at center right who won that the remanton.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
Was the reason why he fell, is what you're saying. Yeah,
and he's also an Outland Trophy win right, you know.
Speaker 4 (17:39):
So, so the athletic traits are concerned, I would say
the age of the defensive line in some key areas,
you know, when are you going to see a drop off?
It's likely that that one of them. If you just
play the odds, you know, you got Leonard Williams over thirty,
and you got Nuosu, and you got obviously d Law
and you've got now you've acquired Fowler.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
Like, somebody's going to hit a.
Speaker 4 (18:04):
Wall and we don't know who it's going to be,
but somebody's gonna likely to have had a disappointing season
in twenty twenty six among that group. So I don't
think they're at an A plus level going into camp
at defensive end. But you got a coach that that
doesn't need a plus D A plus defensive ends. I've
referenced it many times with the Ravens. His last year's
the defense coordinator Mike McDonald. He had that defense lead
(18:26):
the NFL and sacks despite having defensive ends that were
both over thirty and both on at least their fifth team,
which is the definition of a journeyman and so and
yet they won. They led the NFL and sacks. So
McDonald knows how to take some of these older guys
and put them in a rotation and let each guy
perform their skill set, keep them away from their their weaknesses,
(18:50):
and find a way to, you know, on the aggregate,
play great defense. He's done it before Seattle. He's done
it with Seattle. There's no reason to believe he's not
going to do it this season.
Speaker 5 (18:59):
So you feel pretty confident in the back end. I mean,
they went hard to draft these guys in the back end,
I mean Julie and Neil and Bud Clark and even
later on down with Fuller. And what does that mean
for the guys that were here, Like a guy like
Tyle Kotta, for example, I thought was pretty good last
year and played a lot last year.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
I mean, is he getting pushed out?
Speaker 4 (19:19):
I don't think he's getting pushed out. I think he'll
take the first rep of training camp. But I think
Bud Clark, uh yeah, I mean, you know, bet Clark
was a three year captain. I mean, guy played like
five years. He's got a ton of experience, and obviously
he's a better athlete than Okada. But you know, so
(19:40):
it was just about everybody on the on the roster.
Ocata's I'm doing it by you know, just toughness and
guile and technique and what have you. But but yeah,
I would say that's that's right. Nobody's just be surprised
if Bud Clark wins the starting job, either in training
camp or at some point before or Halloween, right, because
(20:01):
he's that much experience, he was drafted that highly and
and he's got that skill set. He's a superior athlete.
So now it's just a case of is he going
to uh uh, you know, learn the sex system. I
mean if if you go back to a year ago
and you say, Okay, what were we saying about nick
em and worry, Well, I'll tell you what I was saying.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
I remember visit vividly, just watching his South Carolina tape.
He was better.
Speaker 4 (20:25):
His best attribute was playing in the curl flat closer
to the line of scrimmage. So did not like him
in the uh uh, in the back end as a
back end safety. He didn't think his instincts, his movement
was great. But but let him be in a curl
flat and he can cover ground use that athleticism.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
I didn't. I didn't.
Speaker 4 (20:44):
I wasn't overwhelmed with his hammer, Like I'm not seeing
the cam chance or wow hit where you're libel to
just the force of the of the violence is liable
to just produce a fumble because it's so violent. You know,
didn't see that. Guess what didn't see that?
Speaker 2 (20:59):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (21:00):
With the Seahawks, either, but he was a great freaking player.
They played unless I think eight or nine snaps in
the back end, they kept them at the line of scrimmage.
They he essentially was a nickel. Sam said that all year,
and and and yet he outplayed what what people projected
in part because of Mike McDonald.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
Mike McDonald knows.
Speaker 4 (21:23):
How to teach, He knows how to put people around
him to make him, let him do the things that
that that plays that allows him to be successful. So
I think Bud Clark you can expect some really cool
stuff out of him. Uh Dick inclusioning as you said,
julian Neal, you know those are two of your top
three draft picks at positions that that the coaching staff
(21:45):
is extraordinary at getting, you know, maximizing the potential.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
I love it, all right, listen, great stuff. All right,
we'll talk on Monday at four, all right, but I'm
to do the weekend, all right. You'remailing with us, We're
gonna break. We're shifting things around today. Tony astra Cone
will join us at six, So little you make the
call next at four nine, four five one get him
in now.
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