August 28, 2026 • 22 mins
Hugh Millen stops by to talk about Vinod Khosla being a long time Steelers fan, what he's expecting from Jalen Milroe in preseason game 3, worries about the backfield, whether the Seahawks need to find another wide receiver and taking a closer look at Trevon Diggs and what he will bring to the team.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Now, from the Star Runnels Sports Desk, your 93.3 KKRFM
Sports Headlines. Happy Friday, everybody. Headlines on Softie Dick with Jackson.
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Speaker 2 (00:17):
You son of a... I sat there and go, is
this live?
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Mariners starting a three-game series at Toronto today. How about this, Dick?
This time a year ago... Cal Raleigh and Vladimir Guerrero
had combined for 73 home runs. Right now, the two
of them have 25 combined on the season. Vladimir Guerrero
at home has a 640 OPS with zero home runs
so far for Toronto at the Rogers Center.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Amazing.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
Bryce Miller is going to the bullpen. Brennan Donovan is
eligible to come off the I.O. tomorrow, but Dan Wilson
said that will not happen. He's not ready yet coming
back from the concussion.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
A couple other games we'll be watching closely tonight. Rangers
are in Milwaukee. That's good news, you would think, right?
That game starts in about an hour or so. And
the Astros are in New York against the Mets. That's
not really good news.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Seahawks, Kansas City, final preseason game. Jalen Milrow will start
and play the entire game for the Hawks, while Garrett
Nussmeyer will start tonight for the Kansas City Chiefs.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Clint Kubiak says he's not ruling out that Aiden O'Connell
will be the backup to Kirk Cousins and not number
one pick Fernando Mendoza to start the season.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
And how about this? Sounders Chicago tomorrow over on AM,
950 AM at 130. Sounders looking for their first MLS
Cup win. since May the 13th. All right, let's do this.
Let's turn our attention to football. Seahawks and the Chiefs
in the final preseason game tonight from Kansas City. And
then we all get to sit around and wait and
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count down to the opener on September 9th against the Patriots. Today,
to me, is like a national holiday. Thank God all
of us should be celebrating the end. of the cockamamie preseason,
at least for the Seahawks. Hugh Millen joins us right
now to help celebrate on the radio show.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
Hughie, how are you, man? I'm going to bake a
cake for you. Yes, I like cake. Mercifully comes to
an end.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Just do me a favor, will you please? And don't
make it a carrot cake, for God's sakes. A real cake,
not a freaking carrot cake. Hey, before we talk about
tonight and some thoughts on the Hawks moving forward, Dick
and I were discussing this in the first segment. A
few folks on social media, a little bit of an
uproar over Vinod Khosla admitting at his press conference the
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other day that he grew up, or not grew up,
but he became a Steelers fan recently. and the 70s
and still watches all their games today and roots for them.
I'm not worked up about it. I'm even kind of
surprising myself that I'm not more worked up about it.
Did it bother you what the new Seahawks owner said
about his NFL affiliation yesterday?
Speaker 2 (02:53):
Well, not knowing what he said and just going by
what you just said, that wouldn't bother me. To me,
I'm interpreting that as, hey, I just love football. I mean,
here's a guy. Is he not from India? Yes.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
Right.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
So I don't know. You know, at some point, I
don't know when he was nationalized or what have you.
But I think it might be just him saying, hey,
football has been a passion of mine for a long
damn time. I think it would be a problem if
he was rooting for the Steelers over the Seahawks. Sure.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Yeah, no question about that.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
But, I mean, I would rather have a guy that's
passionate about the NFL than a guy that's passionate about
the NFL.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
No, you're good.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
You're good.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
You're good.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Go ahead.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
No, I mean, Hugh, I'd be upset if my owner
wasn't a passionate NFL fan. I would rather have him say,
I'm a passionate NFL fan and have been for 50-plus
years than a guy that just decided to own the
team because it was a cool business venture. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Yeah, well, and he's liable to make a lot of
money if we just go by history. I mean, I
think at one point, don't quote me on this, but
I thought I had read that of all the investments
in Vulcan Enterprises with Paul Allen, the one that had
the highest return on his investment was the Seahawks. So
this is not new news, right? So there's a lot
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of reasons why people can be But you know my feeling, guys. Hey,
keep your wallet open and your mouth shut. And that's
a great place to start for the owner, particularly who's
buying the Super Bowl champions, which is obviously, if not unprecedented,
it's certainly rare.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Yeah, well, it's funny, the whole keep your wallet open
and your mouth shut thing. My wife says the exact
same thing to me every single freaking day, by the way.
So I get it. I get it. Hey, let's move
to the Seahawks' last preseason game tonight against Kansas City.
Jalen Milrow is going to start, play the entire game.
Garrett Nussmeier, probably the same thing for Kansas City. What
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are you looking to see out of Jalen Milrow? Maybe
something new out of him as a runner, as a passer.
What are you looking for out of the second-year player
out of Alabama?
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Well, you mentioned new as a runner. You guys care
to guess how many rush attempts Jalen Milrow has on
designed quarterback runs this preseason and include, by the way,
and include? Reed's zone keeps where, let's say you call
it inside zone to the right, but he has the
option if the end crashes to that side to keep
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it in the alley to the left. So that's somewhat
of a design run. I don't think I'd get a
lot of pushback from coaches to describe it that way.
How many rushes does Jalen Milrow have this preseason?
Speaker 1 (05:45):
I'll say he's got as many as me. Am I right?
Speaker 2 (05:48):
You'd be right. You'd be right.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
Now he has.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
He has, I don't know, half a dozen or whatever,
but he had an aborted, officially goes down an aborted.
All the other ones were called pass plays that he
chose to run.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
Why is that?
Speaker 3 (06:02):
Why?
Speaker 2 (06:03):
That's a great question. It's a great question for Mike
McDonald and for Brian Flory. I think that the inference
we could make is that They want him to develop
as a quarterback as much as possible, as a pocket passer.
The reps that he has in the game are very valuable,
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and they want to put him under duress as a
quarterback and see how he handles the dropback passing game.
Right now, it's very, very mixed reviews at best. you know,
so much of when you watch the tape, I mean,
I went through five plays this morning. I'm not, I'll
spare you guys, but, but kind of went through. Yeah. Yeah. That,
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that poor Chuck, he had to endure it. But, but the,
the summary was that you would judge a quarterback, not
only what he does with the football, but what he
turns down. Because when you, when you, when I look
at the quarterback and I say, okay, I'll recognize the concept,
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and then I'll recognize the coverage, and I say, okay,
this is where the strengths of this coverage are, and
this is where the weakness is. You know what?
Speaker 1 (07:20):
I lied.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
I'll tell you one, not five. I'll give you one example.
His first throw, you know, he has a four-high structure,
which means there's three shallow zone defenders. Ball's on the
left hash. His formation, the Seahawks formation is because there's
five eligible receivers. You always want to know what's the
three receiver side. It's going to be declared. It's going
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to be three by two or four by one. Everything
is ultimately going to land that way. So the three-by-two side,
the three side is into the boundary. So that means
that what some coaches call the 23 hole, the hole
between the number two defender and the number three defender.
What's the number two defender? It's the first guy inside
the cornerback at the linebacker level. The hole between him
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and the middle linebacker in that particular coverage is going
to be sizable, particularly when you have a receiver in
the flat pulling– that flat defender to the flat. So,
you know, there's going to be a nice tasty hook there, uh, um,
to throw to the, to, uh, it was, it was 87.
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It was, uh, it was now what the hell, uh,
Montori Foster. So. So he just didn't even look there.
And so you look and you go, wait a minute,
that's an open completion. That's a gimme 12-yard, that 12-yard gain,
they're handing that to you. And if you're not looking
over there, putting your foot in the ground and smoking
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that ball on a very easy completion and go getting
a 12-yard gain, then you're looking and say, what are
you doing? Now you get a completion, but on a
check down, you do enough of those check downs When
you're turning down 12, 15-yard completions, you might avoid the interceptions,
although he didn't. He had two interceptions, but you're not
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going to score any points. Because we're calling that play
so we can go get– we're not big game hunting,
throwing a post 40 yards down the field. But we're
trying to give you a nice completion to get 12 yards.
And if you don't know– if you know the sequence
of where to have your eyes, eye discipline, boom, know
the weakness of the coverage, time your feet out and
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make a relatively easy throw, which is just a button
hook in the backyard, then we're saying we're not at
a professional level. of understanding this. And if it just
happened once, then I wouldn't be dragging this out. But
as I said, there's another handful of times where you
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look and you go, wait a minute, you're turning down
opportunities to go down the field and and it, you're
showing us reliable indicators that you are not processing this
coverage and, and the awareness. So that's what I think
that they'll be looking at primarily tonight. You know, I mean,
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they don't seem to want to use them as a runner,
a scrambler. Yes. As a runner.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
No.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
So that, that would be my take.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
Hugh, I don't have a ton of worries about this team,
but in the backfield, especially until we get Charbonnet back,
I am worried. Because, A, I don't really know what
Price is yet. I think he's going to be good,
but I don't know if he's going to be good.
And I don't know if I've seen anybody else that
can move the football consistently. Have you seen somebody?
Speaker 1 (10:37):
Is it right? Is it anybody else that.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
You think can move the football consistently on the ground
until Charbonnet comes back?
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Because Price can't carry the ball every time.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Yeah, I think the guys that we've seen are kind of,
you know, break glass in emergency type guys. You know,
I don't think that you would want to give much
more than two or three carries to those guys. I
might be wrong on Jakardi Wright. Vellis Jones had some speed.
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You know, when he was in the game, they tried
to get him outside because of his speed. So he
would be, you know, if you want to say between
the two of them, there's a thunder and lightning.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
I can't believe I just said that about those guys.
But Jones would be the faster. Wright would be the
thunder on the inside of them. So that's being obviously
very generous. I'm not a believer in Helani whatsoever. So,
you know, Emmanuel Wilson, I share your concern. And Jadarian Price,
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he better be good and he better be healthy. Because
I think for now, they've got a one. that we
haven't seen, and then we've got a handful of threes.
And I don't really see a two until Charbonnet comes
back and we see that he's healthy.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
Well, I'm wondering again out loud, and I've said this
a couple times, are we going to be sitting here
in the middle of November wishing they would have just
bucked up and paid Kenny Walker? So we'll see how
that goes. I mean, I know that you said the
day that they got Wilson from Green Bay, man, there's
a chance this could be another MVS and the guy
doesn't even make the roster, right? So we'll see on that.
how that whole thing plays out. Back to Milrow just
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for a second, by the way. This guy, he had
700 yards rushing, and he ran for 20 touchdowns his
senior year, his last year at Alabama. So when you
say the Hawks are trying to turn him into a
pocket passer, I just kind of wonder why, man. So
we're going to see tonight how much he runs. We'll
get a look at that. Quarterback draw, right, Dave? Yeah, 100%,
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especially on fourth and short, third and short, man. You
mentioned Montori Foster. who kind of has become the story
of camp in a lot of ways. He's a major
focus on hard knocks. His mom and dad are getting
a ton of air time. But let's face it, guys,
this was a dude that when camp started probably was
going to be your number six guy, right, and was
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looking to make the football team. now he might be
your number four guy behind jsn cooper cup and rashid
shaheed because tory horton right now hugh is unavailable we
don't know if that's the fractured shin from a year
ago or a new injury the hawks haven't told anybody
and jake bobo's out for the year so do you
think the seahawks may want to consider going out and
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signing a wide receiver or trading for somebody.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
It could be there. Let's try and walk through this rationally, okay?
So let's go back to a year ago. And I
kind of think, okay, if you hold your arms out
wide and you think of that as a scale, and
one end is being completely paranoid and cynical and skeptical
and the sky is falling, and the other one is
whistling by the graveyard about these things on a football roster.
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We want to avoid those extremes, right? And so I
put it to you a year ago. How did you
feel about the number two? Clearly had a bonafide, no
doubt about it, top of the league, number one receiver.
But let's just talk about the number two receiver. Can
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you really say with conviction that the Seahawks had a
legit number two? No. Because I would challenge that if
somebody were to assert that. It wasn't Shahid, right? Cooper Cupp.
God bless him. I mean, in 2021, he did things
that nobody had ever done before or since. But those
years have been hard on him. The injuries, the age,
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you know, he's valuable as a coach. So so I
got no problem with Cooper Cup being a four, you know,
a five. Certainly even you want to push him to
a three. I might strain there. But if you're going
to say he's a two, I'm going to argue back.
Torrey Horton. He showed maybe a sign, right? But that
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has got to be resolved, the injury. So I think even,
you know, are you going to tell me that Jake
Bobo is a two? Because I'll fight you on a
beach for that one. I know you want to say
that nobody wants to fight you.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
All right. We're not violent.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Well, I might lose the fight, but I'll dig in.
So so my my point is, even at the best
of circumstances, in my opinion, first day of camp this
year is like two is not really established. And that
was when I thought Horton would be healthy. And I
thought that that you had Bobo. So I think that,
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you know, it sounds somewhat similar. And that's why I
prefaced all this with where I don't want to be,
you know, the sky is falling guy. But is this
not rational to say at both running back and receiver
that the Seahawks are, there's a little bit of a
donut aspect. There's a hole at number two. And I
think that's a defensible proposition to assert. And so, yeah, Dick,
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I'm concerned. I'm concerned, Dave, about the running backs and
the receivers.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
Did it concern you at all when you saw that
interaction between JSN and Frisman Jackson on hard knocks where
JSN seemed to be a little bit, he's like, yeah,
there's so much of this new terminology and all that.
Or is that just par for the course, new offensive coordinator,
that's going to happen? Because I don't know if I
was concerned about it, but I certainly took note of
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it because he definitely did seem frustrated.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
That's a fair way to describe it. Um, I would
say mostly I'm fine, but to say that the needle
didn't like just move just a tad with me, um, I,
I would be lying because I thought, I think the
thing that I thought is, is you'd want to have
as much continuity from last year as you could, given
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that they set the franchise record for points, given that where, uh,
in Jigba had been. Um, and so, I I'm not
sure I want to have the Seahawks trying to process
a bunch of new terminology when Brian Flory, one man
could process it as opposed to, you know, 50 guys
on the offense in camp. You know, right. Third, you know,
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30 guys you expect to count on what would.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
Have especially sorry to interrupt you, but especially for the
highest scoring Seahawk offense of all time from last year.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
Right.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
Yeah. Um, yeah, I thought I made that point, but yeah, yeah.
They set the franchise record in points. Yes. So, so, um, yes, I, I, I,
I felt like, yeah, it's probably not a problem, but I,
it doesn't strike me as ideal. Like I thought that
it was a good, healthy exchange, but. why are we
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having to deal with this issue? It seems like there's
other ways they could have avoided it. Look, I don't
feel strongly about it, Dick, but I think the way
you phrased it, I could get on board with the
way you phrased it.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
Well, we had Brian Fleury on the show, right, when
he got hired, and he said on the air he
needs to figure out how much is he going to
make them come to him and make him go to them, right?
And it sounds like he's making more of them come
to him than the opposite side, but Hugh, Trevon Diggs
is here. I assume we're going to see him tonight, right,
against Kansas City. I don't know if you noticed it.
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There was some nice interaction and hard knocks between him
and McDonald, him and Schneider from the last hard knocks episode.
Did you read anything into those few clips that we saw?
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Well, I've watched a ton of tape of him from
last year with both the Cowboys and with the Packers. Um,
I will say this, uh, since you're asking about him and,
and hard knocks and, and I'm sorry, I got to
preface this one too, because we got to lay the
ground rules on John Schneider because let's just all agree
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for the sake of discussion. John Schneider is the best
GM in the NFL. We wouldn't trade him for anybody.
Raise your hand. My hands up. Are we on board
with that? Now, now are we on board with saying
that John Schneider never makes a mistake is inerrant. Never,
ever makes a mistake. Now, I think it'd be nonsensical
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if your hand is in the air. So that means
that there's room that we can say a great GM,
and we can call him a great GM, can make
a mistake. And in my opinion, I've seen it now
twice on hard knocks. What I would advise John Snyder
is the following. I saw him with Robbie Utes when
he came out, and they said, Hey, tell us about
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Terry and Arnold. And what did he say? He goes,
all the feedback we're getting is the guy's amazing. He
said that before Robbie Utes ever even opened his mouth.
And then when he had Diggs in there, he goes, hey,
tell me about that knee. It seems like you don't
have that, the power's not there or something, right? What
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I would advise John Schneider is what I would what
attorneys say, hey, don't ask a leading question. There's a
big there is a difference between me saying your name
is Dave. Your name is Dick versus what's your name?
Because actually in a court of law. If you're my witness,
I can't say your name is Dave, right? I have
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to say, what's your name?
Speaker 1 (20:06):
Like, okay.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
So if I, what I would tell John Snyder is
if you're trying to get information about Robbie Utes from,
excuse me, from Robbie Utes about Terry and Arnold, bring
him down, sit down and say, and look at him
and just say, Hey, tell me your thoughts about Terry
and Arnold, and then shut up and let Robbie Utes talk.
And if you're trying to get information about digs from digs,
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Just say, hey, tell me how you're feeling. Like give
him the blankest canvas he can and slate to craft
his own answer. And then just shut up and listen. Now, obviously,
you're going to have follow-up questions, but the first thing
you do, just ask a question, very open-ended, and get
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the hell out of the way. Shut up and get out.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Of the way.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
Because otherwise, these guys, these players are going to tell
them the stuff that they can sense that he wants
to hear, which is exactly what happened in both of
those occasions.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
Yeah, I got a response to that, but unfortunately, we're
out of time. We've got to get to a break.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Well, you're a professional communicator. You don't agree with that.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
No, I do agree with it, but I also think
that John Schneider has been probably asking questions that way
for 17 years since he's been with the Seahawks. And
his evaluations usually turn out to be pretty damn good.
I mean, we're just talking about 30 seconds.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
Could he be better if he handled that?
Speaker 1 (21:28):
Well, Hugh, the problem is we're talking about 30-second snippets
on a TV show. We don't know what the hell
is going on behind the scenes with Ernest Jones and
Rashid Shaheed, Leonard Williams, when he made those calls. He
may have been asking the same type of questions, but
then also behind the scenes that we don't see, asking
more direct questions and maybe digging deeper on stuff.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
Well, in both those cases, they showed him when those
guys walked in the room. Look, I'm not going to
be painted as a guy that's a critic of John Schneider.
I love him. I love everything he's done. I just
think he could have handled it. And as for Diggs, look,
I watched the tape. I thought that he was technically sound.
I just didn't feel like there was a... a burst
of twitchiness, like the suddenness just didn't seem there when
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compared to the top corners that we studied.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
You know how it works. Now's when Softie says, you know,
Hugh hates John Schneider.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
You know how it works. I'm going to put.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
That on Twitter. It's just in. Hugh Millen hates John Schneider.
I might text John and say, hey, did you know
that Hugh hated your guts? All right, Hugh, get out
of here. Yeah, we got to go. That's it.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
You're done.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
See you later. Hugh Millen will join us on Monday's show.
We're going to break. Chuck Powell joins at 5 on
93.3 KJRFM.
Now, from the Star Runnels Sports Desk, your 93.3 KKRFM
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Speaker 2 (00:17):
You son of a... I sat there and go, is
this live?
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Mariners starting a three-game series at Toronto today. How about this, Dick?
This time a year ago... Cal Raleigh and Vladimir Guerrero
had combined for 73 home runs. Right now, the two
of them have 25 combined on the season. Vladimir Guerrero
at home has a 640 OPS with zero home runs
so far for Toronto at the Rogers Center.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Amazing.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
Bryce Miller is going to the bullpen. Brennan Donovan is
eligible to come off the I.O. tomorrow, but Dan Wilson
said that will not happen. He's not ready yet coming
back from the concussion.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
A couple other games we'll be watching closely tonight. Rangers
are in Milwaukee. That's good news, you would think, right?
That game starts in about an hour or so. And
the Astros are in New York against the Mets. That's
not really good news.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Seahawks, Kansas City, final preseason game. Jalen Milrow will start
and play the entire game for the Hawks, while Garrett
Nussmeyer will start tonight for the Kansas City Chiefs.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Clint Kubiak says he's not ruling out that Aiden O'Connell
will be the backup to Kirk Cousins and not number
one pick Fernando Mendoza to start the season.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
And how about this? Sounders Chicago tomorrow over on AM,
950 AM at 130. Sounders looking for their first MLS
Cup win. since May the 13th. All right, let's do this.
Let's turn our attention to football. Seahawks and the Chiefs
in the final preseason game tonight from Kansas City. And
then we all get to sit around and wait and
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count down to the opener on September 9th against the Patriots. Today,
to me, is like a national holiday. Thank God all
of us should be celebrating the end. of the cockamamie preseason,
at least for the Seahawks. Hugh Millen joins us right
now to help celebrate on the radio show.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
Hughie, how are you, man? I'm going to bake a
cake for you. Yes, I like cake. Mercifully comes to
an end.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Just do me a favor, will you please? And don't
make it a carrot cake, for God's sakes. A real cake,
not a freaking carrot cake. Hey, before we talk about
tonight and some thoughts on the Hawks moving forward, Dick
and I were discussing this in the first segment. A
few folks on social media, a little bit of an
uproar over Vinod Khosla admitting at his press conference the
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other day that he grew up, or not grew up,
but he became a Steelers fan recently. and the 70s
and still watches all their games today and roots for them.
I'm not worked up about it. I'm even kind of
surprising myself that I'm not more worked up about it.
Did it bother you what the new Seahawks owner said
about his NFL affiliation yesterday?
Speaker 2 (02:53):
Well, not knowing what he said and just going by
what you just said, that wouldn't bother me. To me,
I'm interpreting that as, hey, I just love football. I mean,
here's a guy. Is he not from India? Yes.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
Right.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
So I don't know. You know, at some point, I
don't know when he was nationalized or what have you.
But I think it might be just him saying, hey,
football has been a passion of mine for a long
damn time. I think it would be a problem if
he was rooting for the Steelers over the Seahawks. Sure.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Yeah, no question about that.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
But, I mean, I would rather have a guy that's
passionate about the NFL than a guy that's passionate about
the NFL.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
No, you're good.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
You're good.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
You're good.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Go ahead.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
No, I mean, Hugh, I'd be upset if my owner
wasn't a passionate NFL fan. I would rather have him say,
I'm a passionate NFL fan and have been for 50-plus
years than a guy that just decided to own the
team because it was a cool business venture. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Yeah, well, and he's liable to make a lot of
money if we just go by history. I mean, I
think at one point, don't quote me on this, but
I thought I had read that of all the investments
in Vulcan Enterprises with Paul Allen, the one that had
the highest return on his investment was the Seahawks. So
this is not new news, right? So there's a lot
(04:16):
of reasons why people can be But you know my feeling, guys. Hey,
keep your wallet open and your mouth shut. And that's
a great place to start for the owner, particularly who's
buying the Super Bowl champions, which is obviously, if not unprecedented,
it's certainly rare.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Yeah, well, it's funny, the whole keep your wallet open
and your mouth shut thing. My wife says the exact
same thing to me every single freaking day, by the way.
So I get it. I get it. Hey, let's move
to the Seahawks' last preseason game tonight against Kansas City.
Jalen Milrow is going to start, play the entire game.
Garrett Nussmeier, probably the same thing for Kansas City. What
(04:59):
are you looking to see out of Jalen Milrow? Maybe
something new out of him as a runner, as a passer.
What are you looking for out of the second-year player
out of Alabama?
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Well, you mentioned new as a runner. You guys care
to guess how many rush attempts Jalen Milrow has on
designed quarterback runs this preseason and include, by the way,
and include? Reed's zone keeps where, let's say you call
it inside zone to the right, but he has the
option if the end crashes to that side to keep
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it in the alley to the left. So that's somewhat
of a design run. I don't think I'd get a
lot of pushback from coaches to describe it that way.
How many rushes does Jalen Milrow have this preseason?
Speaker 1 (05:45):
I'll say he's got as many as me. Am I right?
Speaker 2 (05:48):
You'd be right. You'd be right.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
Now he has.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
He has, I don't know, half a dozen or whatever,
but he had an aborted, officially goes down an aborted.
All the other ones were called pass plays that he
chose to run.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
Why is that?
Speaker 3 (06:02):
Why?
Speaker 2 (06:03):
That's a great question. It's a great question for Mike
McDonald and for Brian Flory. I think that the inference
we could make is that They want him to develop
as a quarterback as much as possible, as a pocket passer.
The reps that he has in the game are very valuable,
(06:25):
and they want to put him under duress as a
quarterback and see how he handles the dropback passing game.
Right now, it's very, very mixed reviews at best. you know,
so much of when you watch the tape, I mean,
I went through five plays this morning. I'm not, I'll
spare you guys, but, but kind of went through. Yeah. Yeah. That,
(06:48):
that poor Chuck, he had to endure it. But, but the,
the summary was that you would judge a quarterback, not
only what he does with the football, but what he
turns down. Because when you, when you, when I look
at the quarterback and I say, okay, I'll recognize the concept,
(07:10):
and then I'll recognize the coverage, and I say, okay,
this is where the strengths of this coverage are, and
this is where the weakness is. You know what?
Speaker 1 (07:20):
I lied.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
I'll tell you one, not five. I'll give you one example.
His first throw, you know, he has a four-high structure,
which means there's three shallow zone defenders. Ball's on the
left hash. His formation, the Seahawks formation is because there's
five eligible receivers. You always want to know what's the
three receiver side. It's going to be declared. It's going
(07:41):
to be three by two or four by one. Everything
is ultimately going to land that way. So the three-by-two side,
the three side is into the boundary. So that means
that what some coaches call the 23 hole, the hole
between the number two defender and the number three defender.
What's the number two defender? It's the first guy inside
the cornerback at the linebacker level. The hole between him
(08:04):
and the middle linebacker in that particular coverage is going
to be sizable, particularly when you have a receiver in
the flat pulling– that flat defender to the flat. So,
you know, there's going to be a nice tasty hook there, uh, um,
to throw to the, to, uh, it was, it was 87.
(08:25):
It was, uh, it was now what the hell, uh,
Montori Foster. So. So he just didn't even look there.
And so you look and you go, wait a minute,
that's an open completion. That's a gimme 12-yard, that 12-yard gain,
they're handing that to you. And if you're not looking
over there, putting your foot in the ground and smoking
(08:48):
that ball on a very easy completion and go getting
a 12-yard gain, then you're looking and say, what are
you doing? Now you get a completion, but on a
check down, you do enough of those check downs When
you're turning down 12, 15-yard completions, you might avoid the interceptions,
although he didn't. He had two interceptions, but you're not
(09:08):
going to score any points. Because we're calling that play
so we can go get– we're not big game hunting,
throwing a post 40 yards down the field. But we're
trying to give you a nice completion to get 12 yards.
And if you don't know– if you know the sequence
of where to have your eyes, eye discipline, boom, know
the weakness of the coverage, time your feet out and
(09:30):
make a relatively easy throw, which is just a button
hook in the backyard, then we're saying we're not at
a professional level. of understanding this. And if it just
happened once, then I wouldn't be dragging this out. But
as I said, there's another handful of times where you
(09:50):
look and you go, wait a minute, you're turning down
opportunities to go down the field and and it, you're
showing us reliable indicators that you are not processing this
coverage and, and the awareness. So that's what I think
that they'll be looking at primarily tonight. You know, I mean,
(10:12):
they don't seem to want to use them as a runner,
a scrambler. Yes. As a runner.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
No.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
So that, that would be my take.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
Hugh, I don't have a ton of worries about this team,
but in the backfield, especially until we get Charbonnet back,
I am worried. Because, A, I don't really know what
Price is yet. I think he's going to be good,
but I don't know if he's going to be good.
And I don't know if I've seen anybody else that
can move the football consistently. Have you seen somebody?
Speaker 1 (10:37):
Is it right? Is it anybody else that.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
You think can move the football consistently on the ground
until Charbonnet comes back?
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Because Price can't carry the ball every time.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Yeah, I think the guys that we've seen are kind of,
you know, break glass in emergency type guys. You know,
I don't think that you would want to give much
more than two or three carries to those guys. I
might be wrong on Jakardi Wright. Vellis Jones had some speed.
(11:06):
You know, when he was in the game, they tried
to get him outside because of his speed. So he
would be, you know, if you want to say between
the two of them, there's a thunder and lightning.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
I can't believe I just said that about those guys.
But Jones would be the faster. Wright would be the
thunder on the inside of them. So that's being obviously
very generous. I'm not a believer in Helani whatsoever. So,
you know, Emmanuel Wilson, I share your concern. And Jadarian Price,
(11:37):
he better be good and he better be healthy. Because
I think for now, they've got a one. that we
haven't seen, and then we've got a handful of threes.
And I don't really see a two until Charbonnet comes
back and we see that he's healthy.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
Well, I'm wondering again out loud, and I've said this
a couple times, are we going to be sitting here
in the middle of November wishing they would have just
bucked up and paid Kenny Walker? So we'll see how
that goes. I mean, I know that you said the
day that they got Wilson from Green Bay, man, there's
a chance this could be another MVS and the guy
doesn't even make the roster, right? So we'll see on that.
how that whole thing plays out. Back to Milrow just
(12:16):
for a second, by the way. This guy, he had
700 yards rushing, and he ran for 20 touchdowns his
senior year, his last year at Alabama. So when you
say the Hawks are trying to turn him into a
pocket passer, I just kind of wonder why, man. So
we're going to see tonight how much he runs. We'll
get a look at that. Quarterback draw, right, Dave? Yeah, 100%,
(12:37):
especially on fourth and short, third and short, man. You
mentioned Montori Foster. who kind of has become the story
of camp in a lot of ways. He's a major
focus on hard knocks. His mom and dad are getting
a ton of air time. But let's face it, guys,
this was a dude that when camp started probably was
going to be your number six guy, right, and was
(12:58):
looking to make the football team. now he might be
your number four guy behind jsn cooper cup and rashid
shaheed because tory horton right now hugh is unavailable we
don't know if that's the fractured shin from a year
ago or a new injury the hawks haven't told anybody
and jake bobo's out for the year so do you
think the seahawks may want to consider going out and
(13:19):
signing a wide receiver or trading for somebody.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
It could be there. Let's try and walk through this rationally, okay?
So let's go back to a year ago. And I
kind of think, okay, if you hold your arms out
wide and you think of that as a scale, and
one end is being completely paranoid and cynical and skeptical
and the sky is falling, and the other one is
whistling by the graveyard about these things on a football roster.
(13:47):
We want to avoid those extremes, right? And so I
put it to you a year ago. How did you
feel about the number two? Clearly had a bonafide, no
doubt about it, top of the league, number one receiver.
But let's just talk about the number two receiver. Can
(14:07):
you really say with conviction that the Seahawks had a
legit number two? No. Because I would challenge that if
somebody were to assert that. It wasn't Shahid, right? Cooper Cupp.
God bless him. I mean, in 2021, he did things
that nobody had ever done before or since. But those
years have been hard on him. The injuries, the age,
(14:29):
you know, he's valuable as a coach. So so I
got no problem with Cooper Cup being a four, you know,
a five. Certainly even you want to push him to
a three. I might strain there. But if you're going
to say he's a two, I'm going to argue back.
Torrey Horton. He showed maybe a sign, right? But that
(14:49):
has got to be resolved, the injury. So I think even,
you know, are you going to tell me that Jake
Bobo is a two? Because I'll fight you on a
beach for that one. I know you want to say
that nobody wants to fight you.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
All right. We're not violent.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Well, I might lose the fight, but I'll dig in.
So so my my point is, even at the best
of circumstances, in my opinion, first day of camp this
year is like two is not really established. And that
was when I thought Horton would be healthy. And I
thought that that you had Bobo. So I think that,
(15:24):
you know, it sounds somewhat similar. And that's why I
prefaced all this with where I don't want to be,
you know, the sky is falling guy. But is this
not rational to say at both running back and receiver
that the Seahawks are, there's a little bit of a
donut aspect. There's a hole at number two. And I
think that's a defensible proposition to assert. And so, yeah, Dick,
(15:47):
I'm concerned. I'm concerned, Dave, about the running backs and
the receivers.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
Did it concern you at all when you saw that
interaction between JSN and Frisman Jackson on hard knocks where
JSN seemed to be a little bit, he's like, yeah,
there's so much of this new terminology and all that.
Or is that just par for the course, new offensive coordinator,
that's going to happen? Because I don't know if I
was concerned about it, but I certainly took note of
(16:14):
it because he definitely did seem frustrated.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
That's a fair way to describe it. Um, I would
say mostly I'm fine, but to say that the needle
didn't like just move just a tad with me, um, I,
I would be lying because I thought, I think the
thing that I thought is, is you'd want to have
as much continuity from last year as you could, given
(16:39):
that they set the franchise record for points, given that where, uh,
in Jigba had been. Um, and so, I I'm not
sure I want to have the Seahawks trying to process
a bunch of new terminology when Brian Flory, one man
could process it as opposed to, you know, 50 guys
on the offense in camp. You know, right. Third, you know,
(17:02):
30 guys you expect to count on what would.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
Have especially sorry to interrupt you, but especially for the
highest scoring Seahawk offense of all time from last year.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
Right.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
Yeah. Um, yeah, I thought I made that point, but yeah, yeah.
They set the franchise record in points. Yes. So, so, um, yes, I, I, I,
I felt like, yeah, it's probably not a problem, but I,
it doesn't strike me as ideal. Like I thought that
it was a good, healthy exchange, but. why are we
(17:33):
having to deal with this issue? It seems like there's
other ways they could have avoided it. Look, I don't
feel strongly about it, Dick, but I think the way
you phrased it, I could get on board with the
way you phrased it.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
Well, we had Brian Fleury on the show, right, when
he got hired, and he said on the air he
needs to figure out how much is he going to
make them come to him and make him go to them, right?
And it sounds like he's making more of them come
to him than the opposite side, but Hugh, Trevon Diggs
is here. I assume we're going to see him tonight, right,
against Kansas City. I don't know if you noticed it.
(18:07):
There was some nice interaction and hard knocks between him
and McDonald, him and Schneider from the last hard knocks episode.
Did you read anything into those few clips that we saw?
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Well, I've watched a ton of tape of him from
last year with both the Cowboys and with the Packers. Um,
I will say this, uh, since you're asking about him and,
and hard knocks and, and I'm sorry, I got to
preface this one too, because we got to lay the
ground rules on John Schneider because let's just all agree
(18:38):
for the sake of discussion. John Schneider is the best
GM in the NFL. We wouldn't trade him for anybody.
Raise your hand. My hands up. Are we on board
with that? Now, now are we on board with saying
that John Schneider never makes a mistake is inerrant. Never,
ever makes a mistake. Now, I think it'd be nonsensical
(19:00):
if your hand is in the air. So that means
that there's room that we can say a great GM,
and we can call him a great GM, can make
a mistake. And in my opinion, I've seen it now
twice on hard knocks. What I would advise John Snyder
is the following. I saw him with Robbie Utes when
he came out, and they said, Hey, tell us about
(19:22):
Terry and Arnold. And what did he say? He goes,
all the feedback we're getting is the guy's amazing. He
said that before Robbie Utes ever even opened his mouth.
And then when he had Diggs in there, he goes, hey,
tell me about that knee. It seems like you don't
have that, the power's not there or something, right? What
(19:45):
I would advise John Schneider is what I would what
attorneys say, hey, don't ask a leading question. There's a
big there is a difference between me saying your name
is Dave. Your name is Dick versus what's your name?
Because actually in a court of law. If you're my witness,
I can't say your name is Dave, right? I have
(20:05):
to say, what's your name?
Speaker 1 (20:06):
Like, okay.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
So if I, what I would tell John Snyder is
if you're trying to get information about Robbie Utes from,
excuse me, from Robbie Utes about Terry and Arnold, bring
him down, sit down and say, and look at him
and just say, Hey, tell me your thoughts about Terry
and Arnold, and then shut up and let Robbie Utes talk.
And if you're trying to get information about digs from digs,
(20:31):
Just say, hey, tell me how you're feeling. Like give
him the blankest canvas he can and slate to craft
his own answer. And then just shut up and listen. Now, obviously,
you're going to have follow-up questions, but the first thing
you do, just ask a question, very open-ended, and get
(20:52):
the hell out of the way. Shut up and get out.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Of the way.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
Because otherwise, these guys, these players are going to tell
them the stuff that they can sense that he wants
to hear, which is exactly what happened in both of
those occasions.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
Yeah, I got a response to that, but unfortunately, we're
out of time. We've got to get to a break.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Well, you're a professional communicator. You don't agree with that.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
No, I do agree with it, but I also think
that John Schneider has been probably asking questions that way
for 17 years since he's been with the Seahawks. And
his evaluations usually turn out to be pretty damn good.
I mean, we're just talking about 30 seconds.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
Could he be better if he handled that?
Speaker 1 (21:28):
Well, Hugh, the problem is we're talking about 30-second snippets
on a TV show. We don't know what the hell
is going on behind the scenes with Ernest Jones and
Rashid Shaheed, Leonard Williams, when he made those calls. He
may have been asking the same type of questions, but
then also behind the scenes that we don't see, asking
more direct questions and maybe digging deeper on stuff.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
Well, in both those cases, they showed him when those
guys walked in the room. Look, I'm not going to
be painted as a guy that's a critic of John Schneider.
I love him. I love everything he's done. I just
think he could have handled it. And as for Diggs, look,
I watched the tape. I thought that he was technically sound.
I just didn't feel like there was a... a burst
of twitchiness, like the suddenness just didn't seem there when
(22:12):
compared to the top corners that we studied.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
You know how it works. Now's when Softie says, you know,
Hugh hates John Schneider.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
You know how it works. I'm going to put.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
That on Twitter. It's just in. Hugh Millen hates John Schneider.
I might text John and say, hey, did you know
that Hugh hated your guts? All right, Hugh, get out
of here. Yeah, we got to go. That's it.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
You're done.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
See you later. Hugh Millen will join us on Monday's show.
We're going to break. Chuck Powell joins at 5 on
93.3 KJRFM.
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