February 10, 2026 • 11 mins
Jon Wilner of The San Jose Mercury News and Wilner Hotline joins Dave Softy Mahler and Dick Fain to talk about the Super Bowl being in his backyard in the Bay Area last week, a plan to improve the College Football Playoff, and NBA All Star Game this week.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is Duke of Duke Seafood. Letty you know that
this hour of Softy and Dick on your home for
the Huskies and Kraken is probably brought to you by
Duke Seafood. Why not make it a Duke's night tonight.
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Speaker 2 (00:18):
It's time for our weekly Pac twelve conversation with San
Jose Mercury News reporter John Wilner, brought to you by
Simply Seattle. Our friends at simply Seattle dot com have
the most amazing collection of all things Seattle Seahawks gear.
UW had some of the largest selection of Sonics gear
anywhere in the world. Learn more at simply Seattle dot com.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
All right here, he is great to see this guy.
We brought Brett Hello breakfast together in San Jose. Gave
up family time to come over and hang out with us.
Buddy on Saturday morning, you were up in San Francisco
touring Alcatraz, goofing around with your pals. But our friend
John Wilner great to see him. He was wearing a
Julio Rodriguez sweatshirt. From simply Sattle dot com when he
(01:00):
came to visit on Saturday morning. Our friend John Wilner, Johnny,
how are you, man, gentlemen?
Speaker 4 (01:06):
Congratulations, thank you very much.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Thank you so much the work that Dick and I
put in to win this championship. I'm about glad that
somebody finally recognized the efforts that Fane and I put
in to this championship game. Absolutely we did man the bloods. Yes, yes,
my friend, thank you for recognizing that. Well it's over now.
(01:30):
Are are people glad that legions of fans like us
are gone? What was the the end result on hosting
the game?
Speaker 5 (01:37):
You think?
Speaker 4 (01:39):
Yeah, back to business as usual pretty quick.
Speaker 6 (01:41):
I mean, you know it, it's a multi city hosting event,
as you as you guys found out right.
Speaker 4 (01:47):
I mean, it's it's two different cities, so it's it
was very different.
Speaker 6 (01:53):
And I don't get the sense that it felt, certainly
down here Santa Clara, San Jose.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
Didn't really feel like there was there's a Super Bowl
going on.
Speaker 6 (02:01):
I don't know if it felt that way up in
San Francisco, but that's just the nature of the Bay Area.
Speaker 7 (02:06):
Why do you think they do that? John, Why don't
they just they have everything in one spot, whether it's
the venue where the the actual game is or whether
everything is in San Francisco until game day.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (02:18):
Well they I think they feel like they have better
facilities for the teams, better practice in hotel options, you know,
down here, teams can practice, uh San Jerse State.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
I don't even know where the other team.
Speaker 5 (02:30):
Practice, Sanford, Stanford, Stanford.
Speaker 6 (02:31):
Yeah, so if if the teams up in San Francisco,
there's there's they don't really have a good equivalent there
and so then they're spending all their time in the buses.
So I think that's why they have the teams down here,
so they have the interviews down here, so the media
has got to come down here.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
But they want all.
Speaker 6 (02:46):
The festivities to take place up in San Francisco. So uh,
you know, if they're gonna have it in the Bay Area,
that's kind of just the way it's going to be,
unless they build a stadium, you know.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
Backward Candlestick used to be.
Speaker 5 (02:58):
Well, I might be losing my mind and just imagining stuff.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
Did you tell me at breakfast on Saturday that you
were considering not even watching the game on Sunday?
Speaker 5 (03:11):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (03:11):
I did tell you that, and it turned out I
watched I would say most of it. Okay, not every certainly,
not every play. I had to run an errand I
did some work. But the game was on, and well
it was on until.
Speaker 4 (03:30):
Nothing. Was it nothing?
Speaker 5 (03:31):
Yeah, it was correct.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
There was no at that point, there was zero chance.
Speaker 6 (03:36):
That the Patriots were going to win the game.
Speaker 4 (03:40):
I mean, I didn't think they had.
Speaker 6 (03:41):
Much of a chance from the get go, but certainly
once it got to nineteen, it was over.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
Well, the question was, and you're kind of an impartial observer,
you have no dog in this fight. A lot of
people around the country are saying this was a boring
Super Bowl?
Speaker 5 (03:55):
Did you agree with that?
Speaker 4 (03:59):
Yes?
Speaker 6 (03:59):
I did, actually because I did because the Patriots were
so inept on offense, mostly because the Seahawks defense is phenomenal.
But you just never got the sense that New England
was gonna be a threat to win the game.
Speaker 4 (04:15):
I didn't.
Speaker 6 (04:16):
I mean, it was, you know, to me, and I
think to a lot of people it was. The NFC
Championship was a Super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (04:23):
I thought it was.
Speaker 6 (04:24):
Clear at the time of the game, and it certainly
became crystal clear.
Speaker 4 (04:28):
You know, during the Super Bowl.
Speaker 7 (04:30):
Yeah, it was just weird all week long, John, just
not having a nervous bone in my body all week
leading up. It was just a weird feeling because I've
never experienced that when the Seahawks have gone to the
Super Bowls the other times. But John, I gotta we
gotta ask you some college football questions you've got. You've
got a college football schedule plan that you unveiled this
(04:50):
week that will fix everything, So tell us what we
need to do.
Speaker 6 (04:55):
Well, it will fix everything. The problem is that nobody
will agree to do it. It's large based on common
sense and on moving the playoff up so that the
college football season finishes in early January, because I mean
next year, the championship game is January twenty fifth. The
playoffs starts next year December eighteenth, and it goes thirty
(05:19):
nine days, right, That is ridiculous. So my plan basically is,
you get rid of spring practice and you have the
equivalent of OTAs in June for these guys. You move
the transfer portal to April or May so that you
don't have free agency going on during the college football playoff.
(05:42):
You then start playing in what is now week zero
or even week negative one that annow enables you to
finish the regular season rivalry weekend is Thanksgiving, and then
there're no conference championships. You hop into the playoff and
and you're done by basically the.
Speaker 4 (06:03):
Seventh, eighth, ninth of January.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
Well, what are the odds of that actually happening? Because
I love that they've talked about the NFL calendar before
all that sounds great, but what are the odds of
it actually becoming reality?
Speaker 6 (06:17):
So I do think that the transfer portal is going
to move again. If you'll recall, the Big Ten was
the only conference that thought that they should put the
transfer portal in the April May window. Everybody else wonted
in January, so that the SEC coaches wanted to have
their roster said as soon as possible. But then, of
course we went through this last month and it was
(06:38):
a disaster.
Speaker 4 (06:39):
So everybody, I think is realizing the Big Ten was right.
Speaker 6 (06:42):
So moving the portal to April or May, I think
is actually the least of the problems. The bigger problem
is going to be how do you get the quarter
finals of the CFP off.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
Of New Year's Eve New Year's Day right?
Speaker 6 (06:57):
Because the only way you can operate all the six
major bowls. Is if you have two of them as
semi finals in four of them as quarterfinals, well, if
you play the quarterfinals before Christmas, that means like the
Orange and the Fiesta and the Peach, you're gonna have
to be okay having the quarterfinal came on like December
(07:19):
twenty second or.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
Something, and they're not gonna want that.
Speaker 6 (07:22):
And unless the CFP is willing to do that, then
there's no way to play your semi finals. I think
semifinals should be the Rose Bowl and the Sugar Bowl
January first, then the seed. The championship is the Tuesday,
the second Tuesday after that. Basically, h you can't play
on Monday because Monday Night football will be going on.
But that's the problem, is the bowl that the eyes
(07:43):
to the Bulls have got to be broken or the
Bulls have to be willing to be played before Christmas
in order to move everything up.
Speaker 7 (07:52):
Johniy sad interesting move this week with North Dakota State
moving to the FBS. Is this gonna be a trend
where some of the high powered FBS or FCS schools
that have you been championship caliber over the last ten
twenty years do move to the FBS and make the
(08:12):
group of six stronger.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
I'm not sure.
Speaker 6 (08:16):
Did you see how much money North Dakota they gotta
pay seventeen million?
Speaker 5 (08:20):
Wow?
Speaker 4 (08:20):
They pan twelve million to.
Speaker 6 (08:22):
The Mountain West and they've got to pay a five
million dollar.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
Basically FBS entry fee.
Speaker 6 (08:28):
Now, the interesting thing is the Great Sankie and Tony
Patiti don't want more schools in the FBS. They think
there's too many as it is. So North Dakota State
is moving into the Mountain West. They're gonna play the
compete this upcoming fall. However, according to the current rules,
there's a two year waiting period before North.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
Dakota State could be eligible for the CFP.
Speaker 6 (08:52):
Which means they could if that stands twenty twenty, they can't.
Speaker 4 (08:56):
Play in the CFP till twenty twenty eight.
Speaker 6 (08:58):
Now, the Mountain West and North the State, I'm probably
gonna try to get that, get a waiver and get
that moved up, but I don't think the big ten
in the SEC are gonna approve. So the Mountain West
is bringing in the school that it hopes will help
elevate the quality of play, but that schools might not
be eligible for the CFP. The other thing I thought
was interesting is that they added him after they announced.
Speaker 4 (09:20):
Their media deal, which is a little weird.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
John, you got a kid at home who's a sports fan.
This will be a good question for you before you
break here. I just was informed of something by Dick
Faane Jackson can agree that neither one of us knew
this until Dick told us ten minutes ago. Did you
know the NBA All Star Game is on Sunday?
Speaker 6 (09:42):
I did not until I heard you guys talking about it.
Speaker 7 (09:45):
It's in your state, John, It's in Inglewood, California.
Speaker 5 (09:48):
What didn't they Shame on them? Are you kidding me?
Nobody's tie? John? Is your son a basketball fan? He is?
Speaker 4 (09:56):
I mean, I can my son is a is a fan.
Speaker 6 (10:00):
The thing about my son is he hates the Dodgers
and the Cowboys more than he cares about anything else.
Speaker 5 (10:07):
In the first Good for him. You've raised a hater.
I love it.
Speaker 6 (10:12):
Yes, yes, so he probably knows that the All Star
Game is this weekend, But I had no idea. It's
too close to the super Bowl, right and next year?
You guys know when the super Bowl? Have you looked
when the super Bowl?
Speaker 5 (10:23):
Ye?
Speaker 6 (10:23):
Next year?
Speaker 5 (10:24):
It's February fourteenth, right, Valentine's Day? Is it not? Yes,
it is.
Speaker 6 (10:29):
And because of the calendar, and if Goodell gets the
eighteenth game, it's gonna be late that time. The MEBA
has got to move that All Star Game away from
the super Bowl.
Speaker 5 (10:38):
Right right? No, I agree.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
Imagine telling your wife though, sorry, babe, no Valentine's dinner,
Gotta watch football. Apologize that'll go over well. All right, John,
you're the man, great stuff. Great to see his Saturday,
and we're talking a week.
Speaker 4 (10:49):
All right, enjoy the parade, fellas.
Speaker 5 (10:52):
All right, John Wilner with us.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
We will pull a poll on Twitter, by the way,
asking people if they knew the NBAL Star Game was
this Sunday and so far n so they had no
idea the All Star Game was on Sunday. All right,
we're gonna go back and listen in to we're ripping
something off from Ian Show.
Speaker 6 (11:11):
All right.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
I was driving in today I heard even do this,
And let's be honest with you, there's not usually a
reason to steal anything from Ian Show, but I heard
something good today.
Speaker 5 (11:23):
We're going to replay our take.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
After the Seahawks lost the opener to San Francisco and
after they lost that game in LA when Jason Myers
missed the sixty one yard field goal. And you'll see
if there was panic in the streets on this show
or not coming out on ninety three three KJRFM
This is Duke of Duke Seafood. Letty you know that
this hour of Softy and Dick on your home for
the Huskies and Kraken is probably brought to you by
Duke Seafood. Why not make it a Duke's night tonight.
Reserve your table today at Dukeseafood dot com On Sports
Radio ninety three point three KJARFM.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
It's time for our weekly Pac twelve conversation with San
Jose Mercury News reporter John Wilner, brought to you by
Simply Seattle. Our friends at simply Seattle dot com have
the most amazing collection of all things Seattle Seahawks gear.
UW had some of the largest selection of Sonics gear
anywhere in the world. Learn more at simply Seattle dot com.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
All right here, he is great to see this guy.
We brought Brett Hello breakfast together in San Jose. Gave
up family time to come over and hang out with us.
Buddy on Saturday morning, you were up in San Francisco
touring Alcatraz, goofing around with your pals. But our friend
John Wilner great to see him. He was wearing a
Julio Rodriguez sweatshirt. From simply Sattle dot com when he
(01:00):
came to visit on Saturday morning. Our friend John Wilner, Johnny,
how are you, man, gentlemen?
Speaker 4 (01:06):
Congratulations, thank you very much.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Thank you so much the work that Dick and I
put in to win this championship. I'm about glad that
somebody finally recognized the efforts that Fane and I put
in to this championship game. Absolutely we did man the bloods. Yes, yes,
my friend, thank you for recognizing that. Well it's over now.
(01:30):
Are are people glad that legions of fans like us
are gone? What was the the end result on hosting
the game?
Speaker 5 (01:37):
You think?
Speaker 4 (01:39):
Yeah, back to business as usual pretty quick.
Speaker 6 (01:41):
I mean, you know it, it's a multi city hosting event,
as you as you guys found out right.
Speaker 4 (01:47):
I mean, it's it's two different cities, so it's it
was very different.
Speaker 6 (01:53):
And I don't get the sense that it felt, certainly
down here Santa Clara, San Jose.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
Didn't really feel like there was there's a Super Bowl
going on.
Speaker 6 (02:01):
I don't know if it felt that way up in
San Francisco, but that's just the nature of the Bay Area.
Speaker 7 (02:06):
Why do you think they do that? John, Why don't
they just they have everything in one spot, whether it's
the venue where the the actual game is or whether
everything is in San Francisco until game day.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (02:18):
Well they I think they feel like they have better
facilities for the teams, better practice in hotel options, you know,
down here, teams can practice, uh San Jerse State.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
I don't even know where the other team.
Speaker 5 (02:30):
Practice, Sanford, Stanford, Stanford.
Speaker 6 (02:31):
Yeah, so if if the teams up in San Francisco,
there's there's they don't really have a good equivalent there
and so then they're spending all their time in the buses.
So I think that's why they have the teams down here,
so they have the interviews down here, so the media
has got to come down here.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
But they want all.
Speaker 6 (02:46):
The festivities to take place up in San Francisco. So uh,
you know, if they're gonna have it in the Bay Area,
that's kind of just the way it's going to be,
unless they build a stadium, you know.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
Backward Candlestick used to be.
Speaker 5 (02:58):
Well, I might be losing my mind and just imagining stuff.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
Did you tell me at breakfast on Saturday that you
were considering not even watching the game on Sunday?
Speaker 5 (03:11):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (03:11):
I did tell you that, and it turned out I
watched I would say most of it. Okay, not every certainly,
not every play. I had to run an errand I
did some work. But the game was on, and well
it was on until.
Speaker 4 (03:30):
Nothing. Was it nothing?
Speaker 5 (03:31):
Yeah, it was correct.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
There was no at that point, there was zero chance.
Speaker 6 (03:36):
That the Patriots were going to win the game.
Speaker 4 (03:40):
I mean, I didn't think they had.
Speaker 6 (03:41):
Much of a chance from the get go, but certainly
once it got to nineteen, it was over.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
Well, the question was, and you're kind of an impartial observer,
you have no dog in this fight. A lot of
people around the country are saying this was a boring
Super Bowl?
Speaker 5 (03:55):
Did you agree with that?
Speaker 4 (03:59):
Yes?
Speaker 6 (03:59):
I did, actually because I did because the Patriots were
so inept on offense, mostly because the Seahawks defense is phenomenal.
But you just never got the sense that New England
was gonna be a threat to win the game.
Speaker 4 (04:15):
I didn't.
Speaker 6 (04:16):
I mean, it was, you know, to me, and I
think to a lot of people it was. The NFC
Championship was a Super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (04:23):
I thought it was.
Speaker 6 (04:24):
Clear at the time of the game, and it certainly
became crystal clear.
Speaker 4 (04:28):
You know, during the Super Bowl.
Speaker 7 (04:30):
Yeah, it was just weird all week long, John, just
not having a nervous bone in my body all week
leading up. It was just a weird feeling because I've
never experienced that when the Seahawks have gone to the
Super Bowls the other times. But John, I gotta we
gotta ask you some college football questions you've got. You've
got a college football schedule plan that you unveiled this
(04:50):
week that will fix everything, So tell us what we
need to do.
Speaker 6 (04:55):
Well, it will fix everything. The problem is that nobody
will agree to do it. It's large based on common
sense and on moving the playoff up so that the
college football season finishes in early January, because I mean
next year, the championship game is January twenty fifth. The
playoffs starts next year December eighteenth, and it goes thirty
(05:19):
nine days, right, That is ridiculous. So my plan basically is,
you get rid of spring practice and you have the
equivalent of OTAs in June for these guys. You move
the transfer portal to April or May so that you
don't have free agency going on during the college football playoff.
(05:42):
You then start playing in what is now week zero
or even week negative one that annow enables you to
finish the regular season rivalry weekend is Thanksgiving, and then
there're no conference championships. You hop into the playoff and
and you're done by basically the.
Speaker 4 (06:03):
Seventh, eighth, ninth of January.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
Well, what are the odds of that actually happening? Because
I love that they've talked about the NFL calendar before
all that sounds great, but what are the odds of
it actually becoming reality?
Speaker 6 (06:17):
So I do think that the transfer portal is going
to move again. If you'll recall, the Big Ten was
the only conference that thought that they should put the
transfer portal in the April May window. Everybody else wonted
in January, so that the SEC coaches wanted to have
their roster said as soon as possible. But then, of
course we went through this last month and it was
(06:38):
a disaster.
Speaker 4 (06:39):
So everybody, I think is realizing the Big Ten was right.
Speaker 6 (06:42):
So moving the portal to April or May, I think
is actually the least of the problems. The bigger problem
is going to be how do you get the quarter
finals of the CFP off.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
Of New Year's Eve New Year's Day right?
Speaker 6 (06:57):
Because the only way you can operate all the six
major bowls. Is if you have two of them as
semi finals in four of them as quarterfinals, well, if
you play the quarterfinals before Christmas, that means like the
Orange and the Fiesta and the Peach, you're gonna have
to be okay having the quarterfinal came on like December
(07:19):
twenty second or.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
Something, and they're not gonna want that.
Speaker 6 (07:22):
And unless the CFP is willing to do that, then
there's no way to play your semi finals. I think
semifinals should be the Rose Bowl and the Sugar Bowl
January first, then the seed. The championship is the Tuesday,
the second Tuesday after that. Basically, h you can't play
on Monday because Monday Night football will be going on.
But that's the problem, is the bowl that the eyes
(07:43):
to the Bulls have got to be broken or the
Bulls have to be willing to be played before Christmas
in order to move everything up.
Speaker 7 (07:52):
Johniy sad interesting move this week with North Dakota State
moving to the FBS. Is this gonna be a trend
where some of the high powered FBS or FCS schools
that have you been championship caliber over the last ten
twenty years do move to the FBS and make the
(08:12):
group of six stronger.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
I'm not sure.
Speaker 6 (08:16):
Did you see how much money North Dakota they gotta
pay seventeen million?
Speaker 5 (08:20):
Wow?
Speaker 4 (08:20):
They pan twelve million to.
Speaker 6 (08:22):
The Mountain West and they've got to pay a five
million dollar.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
Basically FBS entry fee.
Speaker 6 (08:28):
Now, the interesting thing is the Great Sankie and Tony
Patiti don't want more schools in the FBS. They think
there's too many as it is. So North Dakota State
is moving into the Mountain West. They're gonna play the
compete this upcoming fall. However, according to the current rules,
there's a two year waiting period before North.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
Dakota State could be eligible for the CFP.
Speaker 6 (08:52):
Which means they could if that stands twenty twenty, they can't.
Speaker 4 (08:56):
Play in the CFP till twenty twenty eight.
Speaker 6 (08:58):
Now, the Mountain West and North the State, I'm probably
gonna try to get that, get a waiver and get
that moved up, but I don't think the big ten
in the SEC are gonna approve. So the Mountain West
is bringing in the school that it hopes will help
elevate the quality of play, but that schools might not
be eligible for the CFP. The other thing I thought
was interesting is that they added him after they announced.
Speaker 4 (09:20):
Their media deal, which is a little weird.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
John, you got a kid at home who's a sports fan.
This will be a good question for you before you
break here. I just was informed of something by Dick
Faane Jackson can agree that neither one of us knew
this until Dick told us ten minutes ago. Did you
know the NBA All Star Game is on Sunday?
Speaker 6 (09:42):
I did not until I heard you guys talking about it.
Speaker 7 (09:45):
It's in your state, John, It's in Inglewood, California.
Speaker 5 (09:48):
What didn't they Shame on them? Are you kidding me?
Nobody's tie? John? Is your son a basketball fan? He is?
Speaker 4 (09:56):
I mean, I can my son is a is a fan.
Speaker 6 (10:00):
The thing about my son is he hates the Dodgers
and the Cowboys more than he cares about anything else.
Speaker 5 (10:07):
In the first Good for him. You've raised a hater.
I love it.
Speaker 6 (10:12):
Yes, yes, so he probably knows that the All Star
Game is this weekend, But I had no idea. It's
too close to the super Bowl, right and next year?
You guys know when the super Bowl? Have you looked
when the super Bowl?
Speaker 5 (10:23):
Ye?
Speaker 6 (10:23):
Next year?
Speaker 5 (10:24):
It's February fourteenth, right, Valentine's Day? Is it not? Yes,
it is.
Speaker 6 (10:29):
And because of the calendar, and if Goodell gets the
eighteenth game, it's gonna be late that time. The MEBA
has got to move that All Star Game away from
the super Bowl.
Speaker 5 (10:38):
Right right? No, I agree.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
Imagine telling your wife though, sorry, babe, no Valentine's dinner,
Gotta watch football. Apologize that'll go over well. All right, John,
you're the man, great stuff. Great to see his Saturday,
and we're talking a week.
Speaker 4 (10:49):
All right, enjoy the parade, fellas.
Speaker 5 (10:52):
All right, John Wilner with us.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
We will pull a poll on Twitter, by the way,
asking people if they knew the NBAL Star Game was
this Sunday and so far n so they had no
idea the All Star Game was on Sunday. All right,
we're gonna go back and listen in to we're ripping
something off from Ian Show.
Speaker 6 (11:11):
All right.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
I was driving in today I heard even do this,
And let's be honest with you, there's not usually a
reason to steal anything from Ian Show, but I heard
something good today.
Speaker 5 (11:23):
We're going to replay our take.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
After the Seahawks lost the opener to San Francisco and
after they lost that game in LA when Jason Myers
missed the sixty one yard field goal. And you'll see
if there was panic in the streets on this show
or not coming out on ninety three three KJRFM
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Betrayal Season 5
Saskia Inwood woke up one morning, knowing her life would never be the same. The night before, she learned the unimaginable – that the husband she knew in the light of day was a different person after dark. This season unpacks Saskia’s discovery of her husband’s secret life and her fight to bring him to justice. Along the way, we expose a crime that is just coming to light. This is also a story about the myth of the “perfect victim:” who gets believed, who gets doubted, and why. We follow Saskia as she works to reclaim her body, her voice, and her life. If you would like to reach out to the Betrayal Team, email us at betrayalpod@gmail.com. Follow us on Instagram @betrayalpod and @glasspodcasts. Please join our Substack for additional exclusive content, curated book recommendations, and community discussions. Sign up FREE by clicking this link Beyond Betrayal Substack. Join our community dedicated to truth, resilience, and healing. Your voice matters! Be a part of our Betrayal journey on Substack.