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August 5, 2026 15 mins

Larry Stone joins Softy and Hugh to talk about why the Mariners aren't living up to expectation for this season and whether anyone will be fired because of it. Also, Larry discusses how he doesn't think Dan Wilson will be back if the Mariners miss the playoffs but that we can't yet write them off.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's time for our weekly conversation with legendary sports writer
Larry Stone, brought to you by the RAM Restaurant and Brewery, Bigger,
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locations from Marysville to Lacey and everywhere in between. There's
a RAM there you now with Softy and Dick, here's
Larry Stone.

Speaker 2 (00:21):
All right, big thanks for the RAM for sponsoring our
conversation every year week with Larry Stone. RAM does have
a great bars by the way in their restaurants, and
I feel like we could use a couple of shots
of something man from the RAM, after what we saw
last night from the MS. But joining us right now
on the air, our friend to give us some answers
and hope to convince us that everything will be okay

(00:43):
at some point, our friend, Larry Stone. Larry, how are
you man?

Speaker 3 (00:48):
I'm doing great. It sounds like you hit your breaking
point last night.

Speaker 4 (00:52):
Yeah, you know, I'm.

Speaker 2 (00:54):
Just tired, man. Honestly, I'm just tired. You know, every year,
every couple of years, you know of this, they give
us a little bit of hope and then they just
kick us right in the crotch. I mean, this has
really been going on for four years now. You know,
they should have made the playoffs, should be making it
four years in a.

Speaker 4 (01:09):
Row with the talent that they've got.

Speaker 2 (01:12):
But this team is massively underachieving in my opinion, or
am I crazy and that maybe this roster just really
isn't as good as I thought it was. I mean,
this has just been an absolute collapse by this baseball
team of eparate proportions, and it's been going on the
entire year.

Speaker 4 (01:30):
What the hell's going on at T Mobile Park? Man?

Speaker 3 (01:33):
Yeah, I mean it. I don't think we were all
wrong and thinking this was a World Series caliber team
been Every expert in baseball media picked the Mariners to
win the division and many picked them to get to
the World Series and to win it. So, yeah, it's
and last night's game, you know, I'm reluctant to call

(01:54):
it the worst loss of the season because there've been
so many games you could call the worst loss. But
I would call it the most disappointing loss because it
was sort of the it was supposed to be the
jumping off point to this new new look Mariners. With
the trade deadline passed and Ward in the lineup and
Donovan back, and it was more of the same, just

(02:16):
as meek and offense as they've had for the last
really all season, and so and then the new reliever
you get, you know, goes in there and and lays
a huge egg. Just everything everything went wrong instead of
being the hope for a big turnaround, and it looks
like more of the same, even though you know, one

(02:37):
game is just one game, but it was not. I
think it just cemented to a lot of people's minds
that things aren't going to be different.

Speaker 5 (02:46):
Well, Larry, let's go back to you said something there
in your response that that has me a little bit intrigued.
Maybe you can amplify on when you said virtually every
baseball expert in the media had the Mariners winning the division,
you know, adder near going to the World Series, et cetera.
There's no question that that's true what you said, But

(03:12):
how much of the media experts are really looking at
how much of it is is looking at what the
other guy said or that, or just kind of going
with the flow on that I mean, or is it
just say hey, we'll just take their aggregate or their
average OPS or something to the team based on the
back of their baseball cards, and because of that, we'll

(03:34):
say these guys are the favorites. I just wonder the
process because it seems like we have to open ourselves
up to Dave's question that maybe this team has been
overvalued in terms of what their potential is.

Speaker 3 (03:48):
Well, I think the predictions and the high hopes were
based on the fact that they they went to the
final two innings of the Alcs with the chance to
get to the World Series. He's added a guy like
Brendan Donovan, who you know, has been a pretty much
of a disaster because he's been hurt, but on paper

(04:09):
looked like a huge addition to this lineup, and you
and they re signed Naylor, and it looked like the
big three of Naylor, Cal and Julio we're going to,
you know, be the type of uh middle of the
order bats that can propel a team with the starting

(04:30):
rotation that everybody knew was one of the best in baseball.
Is no one could foresee cal Rawley's you know, epic
epic fall. I was discussing with somebody, not only is
it the biggest one season collapse in baseball history, but
I have a hard time thinking of one in sports history,
from going from from sixty homers, you know, legendary season

(04:53):
to to being one of the worst players in baseball
this year. Who could foresee that? And Naylor, you know,
no no pop whatsoever, no homer since June fourteenth, I think,
and just his slugging percentage is roughly JP Crawfords, which
is not what you want from him. And then Julio,
I think we saw it was going to be a

(05:14):
breakout season for him and it's been a huge disappointment
as well. So I think those factors were no one
could foresee those, and I think those have been the
biggest reason for the fact that they're not living up
to expectations.

Speaker 2 (05:30):
Well, Larry Stones with us and Larry you know, I
mentioned this earlier. Twenty twenty three. You lead the American
League in ERA, you missed the playoffs. Twenty twenty four,
you lead Major League Baseball in ERA, have a ten
game lead at one point, you missed the playoffs. You
make it last year, and now you're lucky enough to
play in the worst division in baseball. In your four
games under five hundred, we really should be talking about

(05:51):
these guys potentially making the playoffs for the first time
ever in franchise history in four years in a row. Instead,
they're struggling to make it in consecutive years for the
first time in twenty five. So I believe that they
have been underperforming really in a lot of ways in
the last four years, and I wonder if they miss it,
does somebody pay the price for this?

Speaker 4 (06:13):
Honestly?

Speaker 2 (06:14):
Does does John Stanton have it in him to ask
Dan Wilson to step aside? Does he ask Jerry to
step aside so somebody else could maybe take this thing
to the next level, like Chris Peterson took over for
Steve Sarkesian and took it to the next level at
you dub back in the day.

Speaker 4 (06:30):
How do you think that Dynamic will look at the
end of the year if they missed the playoffs?

Speaker 3 (06:35):
First of all, if you go back to twenty two
when they did make the playoffs and broke the drought,
wouldn't it be five years in a row that they
are looking at.

Speaker 4 (06:42):
Thank you, thank you very much.

Speaker 3 (06:44):
Yes, yeah, I think if they don't make the playoffs
this year, I think either. I find it hard to
believe that Dan will be back next year. Uh, you know,
if he wasn't Dan will franchise icon, beloved guy that

(07:04):
everybody likes. I don't think that he would still be manager.
To be honest, this is a This is a sort
of situation that is the textbook case of a team
that needs a managerial change, or that leads to a
managerial change, a hyped team that is struggling so badly.

(07:24):
But I think I think they have a hard time
letting go Dan in the middle of the season, but
because there's still the hope that he could turn it
around like they did turn it around in the second
half last year. But if that doesn't happen, I think
the likelihood is either that Dan Dan would maybe resign

(07:45):
or they would let him go. As as far as Jerry,
you know, he's built a team that's one that's that's
five years in a row. They've had a winning record,
which this team is, this franchise has never done. They've
had a top five ranked farm system. You know, I
think he I think he could survive this. I think

(08:07):
the question is that I think the next manager should
be somebody with a lot more experience. The two managerial
hires that the photo has had have both been guys
who have not only never managed in the major leagues,
but have never managed anywhere. In Scott Servis and Dan Wilson,
they were both complete managerial neo fights and I think

(08:30):
you need I think we've seen that, you go. I
think Scott developed into a really good manager, but I
think I think you need somebody with a little bit
more cachet at this point in this team's development.

Speaker 2 (08:45):
Yeah, and there's some names available. I mean, you know,
there's guys like Bruce Bochie out there. Obviously Alex kra
Is out there. I don't know what Boche's desire is
to manage again, you know, rock Old Bell Deli, Brian
Snitker with the former Braves manager. I guess I just
wonder Larry do, Jerry and John want a guy with
a strong personality that may go against the grain a

(09:08):
little bit regarding their philosophy on how to build and
how to perform and set a lineup on a daily
basis in baseball.

Speaker 3 (09:18):
Well, that's a valid, valid question, And based on the
two hires that I just talked about, I think they
are comfortable with with somebody who doesn't have that kind
of power. You know, you you bring in a guy
like Loo Panella, you know, back in the day, he's
not gonna he's not gonna stand for that sort of thing.
And a lot of those names that you mentioned. You know,
I'd add Buck Showalter as another guy who's out there

(09:40):
and there you go, and I think wants to manage again.
You know, I had maybe not be at their comfort level,
but I think it may be what they need to do,
and they may come around to that and we'll, you know,
we'll see how forceful and what influence Stanton has in

(10:00):
that regard. I mean, I was just looking at the
Fangraft playoff odds. They're still listed despite all this. It's
forty seven point five percent chance of making the playoffs.
So this could all be a moot point. I mean,
you look at the Botston Red Sox. The Red Sox
are twenty four and three since July third. I don't
think they're any more talented than the Mariners. I mean,

(10:20):
they they do have that kind of run in them,
but we've been waiting for it all year long and
it hasn't come close to happening. You know, there's still
time for it or yeah, I don't think it'll have
to be twenty four and three. But if they suddenly
run off nine out of twelve, they'll be in pretty
good playoff shape. So you know, they say still because

(10:45):
of the horrible division that you talked about and the
mediocre American League, they are not completely buried yet.

Speaker 5 (10:53):
No, they're not. And Larry Stone with us. So you
mentioned obviously they're going to do this. Calihulio and Josh
are going to have to start playing to their potential.
But what about the acquisitions made at the deadline, Castillo,
the departure him, Just what was your reaction to what
the Mariners did here this week?

Speaker 3 (11:13):
I thought it was kind of a C plus trade deadline. Uh,
there was a there was a crying need for a
leverage relief arm and they didn't get one. They got
Sir Anthony Dominguez, who could be a you know, an
okay piece. I'm not going to judge him by by
what happened last night. You know, guys have bad games,

(11:34):
you know, the it's difficult situation your first game, and
he's probably traveling and arrangements and all that. So, but
he's not He's not a late inning, leverage arm, eighth
inning guy that they needed. Ward is a good pick up,
a right handed bat that they needed, but his numbers

(11:55):
are not good and in a team mobile park, and
we've just seen so many guys that they bring in
whose numbers look good, you know, on paper as the
right handed guy, and it just doesn't work out here.
From Solano to AJ Pollock to ref Snyder and Lastelle,
all those guys that we've you know, they've just didn't
work out. So I think it's fair to be just

(12:18):
a little bit skeptical. But I do love his his
the fact he leads the league in walks and he's
got on base percentage over three eighty. That's what this
lineup needs. And with you look at the lineup they
threw out there last night, and it should be a
really dynamic, good lineup with Donovan Back and Ward and
the three guys that we just talked about in the middle,

(12:39):
and Cole Young having a breakout year can Zone, you know,
it should be a good lineup. It's just so frustrating
to see them just have games, so many games where
they're just non competitive, you know, four hits, five hits,
one run, no runs, two runs. It's just happening on
an almost night daily basis, and looking good on paper

(13:05):
doesn't mean anything if you don't do it on the field.

Speaker 2 (13:08):
Yeah, no doubt whether they're throwing the same line up
out tonight that they threw out last night, Larry, A
little bit surprising to me that among the three potential
swing guys in the outfield, Canzone a Rose Arena and
Ward a Rose Arena, to me is the worst offender.
But he's back out there again and left and Ward
is over there at DH tonight against the Tigers. Does

(13:32):
that surprise you that they're they're continuing to stick with
Randy a Rose Arena in left field versus maybe giving
him a spot to play DH and let Taylor Ward
go out there in left field.

Speaker 4 (13:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (13:43):
I think what they're ultimately going to do is put
Ward in right field, put Canzone at DH, and leave
Randy and left. I think the reason War isn't playing
yesterday and today in the field is because he hasn't
played right field much and he I think they want
to work them out there a little bit before they
stay come out there. But yeah, I mean that would
be the alternative. Then you've then you have can Zone

(14:08):
playing every day. I feel that gets the decision is
who's a better defensive outfield canzone or or a rose arena,
and I think they've decided it's Yeah, they've decided it's
a rose arena because they're leaving him and left from
everything I've heard and ran.

Speaker 2 (14:26):
Well they I mean, I mean, I don't know. That's
blind to me. I think he's terrible.

Speaker 4 (14:30):
I mean, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (14:31):
Maybe I'm missing something, man, Maybe I'm missing something. Somebody
texted us the other day and said Randy has expressed
that he doesn't want a d H and which I said,
who cares what he thinks?

Speaker 4 (14:40):
Somebody's terrible as a left fielder. So I don't know, man.

Speaker 2 (14:43):
They just need wins, and they need him bad starting
tonight because this Tigers team is right in front of them,
and they have waved the white flag, by the way,
as have the Orioles. Both of them have waived the
white flag. All right, Hey, we got a lot of
stuff that we got to get to, but we'll have
to wait till next week because we're up against the clock.

Speaker 4 (15:00):
Larry, great stuff, and we'll talk next Wednesday. Man, appreciate this,
all right, thanks ellas, Thanks all right, Bud.

Speaker 2 (15:06):
Larry Stone with us, We're gonna break, We're gonna hear
a little bit from Jerry to Poto. I have not
heard this yet. This is from pregame yesterday. Hugh Petros
will join us at six as well, but I want
to hear a little bit on what Jerry had to
say yesterday. Coming up on ninety three three KJRFM
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