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August 12, 2026 13 mins

Mike Florio from PFT and NBC joins Dave Softy Mahler and Dick Fain to talk about the Terrion Arnold interest by the Seahawks and other NFL teams, if Arnold will able to play in the preseason, the Cleveland Browns naming Deshaun Watson the starter for week one of the preseason, if Aaron Donald’s decision is coming this week, and Kyler Murray.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:20):
Now with Mike Florio, here's Softian Dick.

Speaker 3 (00:22):
All right, boys and girls, here we go on a
busy Wednesday. It's our pleasure, our honor as we sit
here getting closer and closer to Cowboys Seahawks on Saturday.

Speaker 2 (00:32):
Yay at Lumenfield.

Speaker 3 (00:34):
Welcome by the King of all NFL media, Heavyweight Champion
of the NFL Press Corps, Pro Football Talk dot Com,
NFL and NBCPFT Live.

Speaker 2 (00:43):
Baby. Nobody, and I mean nobody does it like our
friend Mike Florio. How are you man?

Speaker 4 (00:49):
That was a perfect three point landing, just as you
brought me in. I finished my one hour workout on
the bike booth, wondering can I make it? Can I
make it to the full sixty minutes before it's time
to go get paid a paltry sum to entertain and
inform and otherwise harash and you did it. Thank you well.

Speaker 3 (01:10):
You've always told me how exhausting this is for you
to do it, so at least you're in shape right
when you do it with us.

Speaker 2 (01:16):
That's impressive.

Speaker 3 (01:16):
Why don't we, Mike, let's start with Terry and Arnold, right,
I mean, if you're watching Hard Knocks, the Hawks obviously
have a lot of interest in him.

Speaker 2 (01:23):
He was with the Giants today.

Speaker 3 (01:25):
There was a report that he was here twice and
that was updated to only be the one time. But
there's obvious interest by the Hawks in Terry and Arnold.
What do you make of the league wide interest in
him and what his next move would be?

Speaker 2 (01:44):
Just Trumps, I hope he's okay.

Speaker 3 (01:46):
I mean, he just did an hour on a treadmill,
so does somebody want to check the heart rate there?

Speaker 2 (01:51):
He's okay. I'm not giving him mouth to mouth. I'm
telling you that right now.

Speaker 3 (01:54):
If he ever needs mouth the mouth, you're you're the guy,
all right, you're the medical certified.

Speaker 2 (01:59):
I am signing state CPR. I'm signing you up to
give them mount them out to flight to Mike Floria
do it. Maybe that's like an auction item. By the way,
who out there would like to be responsible for giving
Mike Floria mount to doe it? Mike, are you okay?
We know you got done with that hour working.

Speaker 4 (02:13):
Are you okay? Are you okay? I was in the
middle of making a very salient point and the phone died.
Now it may have been a beat of sweat dripping
from my nose that happened to hit the red button
that ended the call. It's possible. I can't roll anything
out at this point, so sorry.

Speaker 2 (02:27):
If that's what happened, that's all right, all right? Terry
On Arnold, what do you make of the sole situation?

Speaker 4 (02:31):
Man? I'm surprised that the Seahawks are flirting with the
possibility of signing a guy who brings pr baggage and
frankly hasn't done enough for two years in the NFL
to justify the headache it goes along with having him,
whatever local criticism there would be, he's facing very serious charges.

(02:51):
Last night's Hard Knocks did not make that point with
the kind of clarity it could have and should have.
They seem to think he'll be available to play in
the pre I think it's a coin flip when you're
talking about charges that include a potential sentence of life
in prison. How can you be sure the NFL won't
immediately put him on the Commissioner Exempt list? And is

(03:11):
that the kind of unforced error you want to be
conducting just as anode Cosla and family are taking over
the team, what is the upside in signing a guy
who hasn't done enough in his first two NFL seasons
to justify dealing with all of that extra stuff. And
if he was that good, the team that's had him

(03:32):
in the building the last two years wouldn't to cut him.
They cut him and owed him full pay for the
next two seasons, and that still wasn't enough to get
them to keep him around. So I'm surprised the teams
are interested in him. I just don't think it's worth it.
And I apologize in advance for anyone who would say
he's innocent until proven guilty. I did all that. The

(03:53):
reality is the allegations alone are enough to create a problem,
and it could be enough to get the NFL to
put him on the Commissioner Exemplist right away, and then
what was it all for? What's the pr drama for?
And there are plenty of other guys out there who
don't bring that kind of baggage. And that's the way
it goes in sports. If you're not good enough to

(04:14):
overcome the off field issues, you're not going to get
a shot to be on the field.

Speaker 5 (04:19):
What is your understanding of the timing of his legal
proceedings and would he be able to play in the
preseason if he's signed. That seemed to be something that
the Seahawks believed would happen yesterday when we watched Hard Knocks.

Speaker 4 (04:32):
The NFL is an inhabit of telling teams whether or
not they'll put a guy on paid lead. They just
won't do it, so you just have to find out.
You have to sign him and see what happens. And
as it relates to the criminal case, look, he's not
going to get a full and complete and clean bill
of health unless they would just drop the charges. And
when you look at the broader case, this started as
something that was clearly an effort to recover property that

(04:56):
was stolen from a house that tear Arnold was running.
And there are multiple people who have pleaded guilty for
their role in this plot. To go confront the people
who they believed stole the property, and the prosecutors did
as they often do in a case like this, They
work their way up. You get a couple of guilty
please those people flipped, and you work your way up

(05:17):
to the person who was the mastermind. And it sure
looked like And I remember when the issue first arose.
I thought, man, this just has a dark cloud. This
has the potential to be a situation where Terry on
Arnold thought he could remove himself from it actively and
that that would be enough to insulate him from any accusations.

(05:37):
And they eventually concluded that they have enough to pursue
criminal charges. Now, whether you have proof beyond a reasonable doubt,
if it doesn't fit, you must acquit. He hired a
lawyer who has a track record of success. They've already
gotten him out of jail on bail pending the full
blown trial. The prosecutors wanted to keep him behind bars
in definitely, but these things don't result quickly, especially we

(05:59):
have that many different defendants involved, So I don't see
it being done by the end of football season. And
I just think the risk that if you sign him
and he lands on paid leave, the risk out weighs
the reward of having a guy on the team, and
I'm surprised the Seahawks would do all this given it
they're the centerpiece of hard knocks.

Speaker 3 (06:18):
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Deshaun Watson is going to start the Browns preseason opener.
Does that simply say that he's got the track to
be the starting quarterback for a week one?

Speaker 4 (06:35):
Well, it's just like when a team comes out for
the first day of practice and there's a quarterback competition.
The guy that gets the first rep is perceived is
having a little bit of a lead. So the two
quarterbacks are two candidates, Deshaun watsons Ar Sanders. They are
going to start one preseason game each. The fact that
Watson's going first should be interpreted is something that has meaning.
Unless they just literally flip a coin, it has meanings.

(07:00):
I think what they're trying to do. I think they're
trying to use Watson to light a fire under Shader Sanders,
to get him to fully commit to doing everything he
needs to do to become the player he can be.
I think He's a guy who likes to show up
and play on game day and is yet to understand
the importance of doing all the other stuff at practice,
at offseason workouts. Everything they've been trying, I think to

(07:23):
get him to do more and unlock a higher level performance.
And I'd be surprised if he doesn't win the starting job.
And there's gonna be a lot of Browns fans who
wash their hands with Deshaun Watson a long time ago.
We're gonna be wondering what the hell's going on here
if Watson ends up being the starter.

Speaker 5 (07:39):
Are we still on track to here one way or
the other by the end of the week On Aaron Donald.

Speaker 4 (07:45):
Well, at last I heard yes, and the target has
been moving just a little bit, because look, he's setting
this up as when he makes the decision to come back,
he's coming back. He's not coming back on a trial
basis and then deciding after a couple of weeks of
training camp whether or not he's going to stick around.
He's making me all in up or down, full go decision,

(08:09):
and they need to have a few weeks to get
him ready for week one. He was a hold out
in twenty seventeen to twenty eighteen, missed all the training camp,
all of the preseason. They took a couple of weeks
to get him ramped up before they were ready to
play him, particularly in twenty seventeen when I think he
showed up the day before the start of the regular season.
So they need a few weeks. Now they have as
of tomorrow, four weeks before their first game, and that

(08:33):
would be more than enough time even if he kicks
the can into next week. So right now I think
he's kicked the can once at least from the early
part of this week to the end of the week
and Friday, I believe is the target. But come Friday
he could decide to kick the can into next week.
And at some point, you got a wonder, is he
just going to keep kicking a can to the point
where he doesn't do it. I can't imagine I'm I'll

(08:55):
come back and playing after everything he's going through. But
he wants to make a firm and clear decision, and
he wants to know he'll come back and be the
Aaron Donald he used to be.

Speaker 2 (09:03):
Mike, our friend Paul Allen like that. In Minnesota.

Speaker 3 (09:07):
Our mutual buddy is going to get to watch Kyler
Murray start the first game of the year, apparently for Minnesota.
What's your take on Kyler Murray beating out JJ McCarthy
for the QB one job in Minnesota, And look, it's not.

Speaker 4 (09:20):
Just for the first game of the year. Kevin O'Connell
told us that the league meetings in March, once they
make a decision, that's the guy for the full season.
The two times twenty twenty two and twenty twenty four
where they had the same quarterback start every game, they
made it to the playoffs. The two years where it
was a revolving door, they didn't make it to the playoffs.
They're not going to have a short leash on Kyler Murray.

(09:41):
When they signed him, it was with the understanding he
would be the starter. It was his job to lose.
When you look at the broader calendar, yesterday was the
perfect day to announce an end to the quote unquote competition.
And I don't know how real the competition was. I
didn't put a lot of stock in the day by
day drip drip of who looked at the day, who
looked better the next day, because we don't know what

(10:03):
the coaching staff had cooked up to make it look
harder or look easier, because you've got a combination of
the same team calling the offense and the defense for
a given play, and on a given play, Kyler Murray
may look like he failed because they called an offense
it was going right into the teeth of the coverage
and you're going to have to come up with a
potential pure for it. So this seems like something that

(10:24):
has been coming since the moment they signed him, and
now they get him ready for week one. They got
about a month and the one thing that isn't part
of the competition is what he can do with the
vault when he pulls it down and runs, and how
that could open up the offense. The Vikings haven't had
a guy like that, and it's Dante Culpepper if you
remember him two thousand to two thousand and five. He
was the starter. So it adds an element and it

(10:45):
could make it easier to get guys open if defenses
are suddenly obsessed with where Kyler Murray is in relation
to whether or not he's going to take off and run.

Speaker 5 (10:55):
Mike, you mentioned the Players Association should focus its push
on grass field. Here in Seattle first talk more about that.

Speaker 4 (11:03):
Well, that's something that I said a few weeks back
when the World Cup final happened and it looked like
the NFLPA had launched a coordinated effort to pressure the
league generally to make the switch to all grass, high
quality fields, and I thought it would make more sense
to go one team at a time. Let's start with
the new owner of the Seahawks. That's the stadium that
had grass for the World Cup. And when the old

(11:24):
Kosloff made a comment on social media over the weekend
that he's going to defer to the team that won
the Super Bowl, well, I think the only people in
these organizations that are saying we got to have artificial
turf for the owners because of what it costs. If
you're going to give management, if you're going to give
the coaches, if you're going to give the players input
in this, especially the players, they're the ones who won

(11:45):
the Super Bowl. If you're going to give them say,
they're going to overwhelmingly say let's have grass. Both Leondon
Williams and Cooper Cups talk about that in their first
training camp press conferences this year. Ninety two percent of
the players want grass. We can't agree on ninety two
percent of anything. We can't agree ninety two percent of
the world's round. So I think the door's open, and

(12:07):
it'll be interesting to see if Costmam means it and
ultimately if they decide not to do it. I want
to know who is it that told him from within
the organization we're good with artificial.

Speaker 3 (12:19):
Terf Mike Florio, incredible work. Put your hands together, guys.
For my I'm glad he's okay, and.

Speaker 2 (12:27):
We are relieved to hear that the workout.

Speaker 4 (12:29):
Yeah, I'm okay too. Yeah, you know. But here's the thing,
why don't you guys call me back? Like, all right,
Floria is dead, Let's move on to the next guest.
Like I sat and waited and I'm thinking, you call back,
and it's like, well, crap, I guess i'd better call.
So thanks for checking on me.

Speaker 2 (12:42):
Did we not call him back? Jackson? He called us,
Mike calling as soon as I was telling him Jack.

Speaker 4 (12:48):
Time, I'm like the dead cat that got thlown out
the window and let's just go get a new cat.

Speaker 3 (12:58):
Listen, I just want you to be care fall with
the exercise. All right, you're getting a thurn age.

Speaker 2 (13:02):
And I'm healthy just like just like me. You got
to take one.

Speaker 4 (13:05):
Years old and one hundred and sixty two pounds of
gristle and bone and steel and I will march.

Speaker 3 (13:11):
You up wow with that. We'll talk in a week.
See you man, all right, Mike Florida with us, We're
gonna break.

Speaker 2 (13:17):
Hey.

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