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February 25, 2026 12 mins

Mike Florio of PFT and NBC joins Dick Fain to discuss what concerns Seahawks fans should have right now, running back contracts and the new money for Javonte Williams, Trent Williams with the 49ers, Malik Willis and free agency, plus Lamar Jackson’s future.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's time for a weekly conversation with Pro Football Talks
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(00:21):
here's Softy.

Speaker 2 (00:22):
And Dick ah No Softy today. So I get one
on one. I'm at the top of the key, I
got the ball in my hands. I get to go
one on one with Mike Florio from Pro Football Talk.

Speaker 3 (00:34):
How are you, Mike, We're Softie.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
He's in MAUI. Oh jeez, you asked exactly, oh man, Yes, he's.

Speaker 4 (00:49):
As vacation during the scouting combine the NFL off season
in full swing.

Speaker 3 (00:55):
Who taps out? Yeah? Who does?

Speaker 2 (00:58):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (00:58):
He does? Yes, he does.

Speaker 2 (00:59):
But we we are here working hard for you, and
you are here working hard for us. Let's just start
the conversation with you where I left it off with Jackson.
Where should the Seahawks fan have the biggest worry right now?
In their ability to either win a Super Bowl next
year or go to a Super Bowl next year.

Speaker 4 (01:19):
New offensive coordinator from outside the building, Brian Fleury. What
kind of continuity is there going to be within the offense?
And you couple that with the possibility that Kenneth Walker
IID will be gone. We don't know what's going to happen.
We don't know if he's going to be tagged. The
reports are he likely won't be. We've talked over the
past couple of days with both TM John Schneider and

(01:41):
coach Mike McDonald here in Indianapolis.

Speaker 3 (01:43):
There's been no indication that they are going to tag him.

Speaker 4 (01:46):
So if he wants to go, and someone wants the
Super Bowl MVP and puts a price on him more
than the Seahawks will and he chooses to take it,
Walker's going to be gone. What happens with the running
game without Kenneth Walker, especially when we considered the Zach
Charbonay had his ACL repair surgery late last week. Who's
going to be carrying the ball? Can they rely upon

(02:08):
that person to get it done? If the running game
isn't there, it makes it harder for the rest of
the offense to operate the way that it has so
that would be the worry. New offensive coordinator, changes to
the system, changes to the running back position, Charbonay recovering
from the torn acl Can they have the kind of
running game that sets up the play action the deep
shots that we saw from Sam Darnold last year, That

(02:31):
would be the big concern the defense.

Speaker 3 (02:32):
No concern the offense.

Speaker 4 (02:34):
And this is one of the one of the byproducts
of being the Super Bowl champion. You lose your coordinator
and you're basically starting over with a hire from the outside.

Speaker 2 (02:44):
Was the Javonte Williams contract a comp that we can
use and if so, was it good news or bad
news for Seahawk fans that want Ken Walker back?

Speaker 4 (02:54):
Well, other teams will try to use it as accomparable
because three years, twenty four million dollar dollars, it's eight
million dollars, assuming that the reported number is the real number.
A lot of times the number that's reported has a
little bit of fluff in it. Some incentives or other
payments that aren't part of the base package get counted
toward it to get it up to an eight million
dollars per year average.

Speaker 3 (03:15):
But you look at Javonte Williams and say, well, okay,
he had twelve hundred rushing yards.

Speaker 4 (03:19):
Is he a guy who's a threat to take it
to the house anytime he touches the ball.

Speaker 3 (03:23):
Does he have that speed? Does he have the ability
to contribute in the passing game?

Speaker 4 (03:28):
And you know, the Cowboys were in a position where
they were able to squeeze him a little bit. They
like to negotiate directly with the player. I think they did,
and I think their hammer was, Hey, if you don't
do this deal, we'll just go sign another second tier,
second wave free agent for one year three four five million,
like they did with Williams last year and replaced him
that way. So that's going to be part of the

(03:50):
negotiation when it comes to Walker. And the reality is
it doesn't matter because if someone else wants to pay
more than the Seahawks will, he'll have the ability to
walk away unless they tag him. But the fact that
they aren't saying they're going to tag him means that
they regard fourteen million as way too high and who
knows what the right number is and we're gonna find out.

(04:11):
And at the end of the day, the player has
to decide what's right for him. Is staying right for him,
is leaving right for him. But we've seen this a
few times in the free agency era where the Super
Bowl MVP becomes a free agent and walks away. Desmond
Howard did it, Larry Brown did it, and Dexter Jackson
did it.

Speaker 3 (04:29):
All since Super Bowl thirty one.

Speaker 2 (04:31):
Mike, we always keep a watchful eye on the division
rivals of the forty nine ers going to lose Trent Williams.

Speaker 3 (04:39):
I don't know whether that's the case yet. Here's the reality.

Speaker 4 (04:43):
Someone, probably Trent Williams agent, leaked to Adam scheff or
yesterday afternoon as John Lynch, the GM of the forty
nine ers, was preparing to head to the podium that
there's a contract impass and Schefter mentioned the thirty eight
million dollar cap number. The reality is Williams is due
to make thirty two million in cat this year. The
market's twenty eight million for tackles. Williams is going to

(05:04):
be thirty eight later this year, and he's got a
ten million dollar payment non guaranteed that he's due on
April one. So the forty nine ers have some time
to let things play out, let things percolate. They could
cut Williams right before April one if they choose to,
and I think another team would find the money in

(05:24):
the cap space at that point to sign him. I
think the idea was to put a little pressure on
the forty nine ers try to get this done. They
don't want to pay him thirty two. It wouldn't be
an issue. If they were happy to pay him thirty two,
it never would have come up. They're trying to come
up with a solution, not reduce the cap number. They
want to reduce the cash number. The question is what's
the magic number. And by putting it out there, it's

(05:46):
basically an invitation to any other team that's here in
Indy and they're all here to tamper and to make
an offer. And then Trent Williams compares through his agent
what another team will offer with what the forty nine
ers are going to offer, and then when it's time
for Williams and his agent to get the forty nine
of the final answer, they'll know what's behind door number two.
You're not supposed to know what's behind door number two,

(06:08):
but teams have a way of making that known to
the agent of a player who's facing one of those ultimatums.

Speaker 2 (06:15):
With the success of guys like Daniel Jones and Sam
Donald that have gone from scrap heap to playing very well.
Is Malik Willis the next candidate for that? I'm seeing
where he could make up to thirty million dollars a year.
My goodness is that? Is that accurate?

Speaker 3 (06:33):
Well?

Speaker 4 (06:33):
And it's not an apples apples comparison to guys like
Jones and Donald. Malik Willis is a guy who at
one point was the betting favorite to be the first
quarterback taken in the draft in twenty twenty two.

Speaker 3 (06:45):
He felt a round three.

Speaker 4 (06:46):
Behind both Kenny Pickett and Desmond Ritter in Tennessee.

Speaker 3 (06:49):
It never really worked out.

Speaker 4 (06:51):
Starting into his third year, he was buried on the
depth chart. In late August, he was traded to the
Packers for a seventh round pick. When he has played
in greend, He's got six starts.

Speaker 3 (07:02):
Six touchdown passes, no in receptions, three.

Speaker 4 (07:04):
Rushing touchdowns, a passer rating north of one thirty four,
completion percentage north of seventy five yards per attempt in
excess of ten. He's been spectacular, but it's a limited
sample size. The question is, is there's a team out
there that looks at what he's done in limited work
and extrapolates that out to a full season and says,

(07:24):
we're gonna pay this guy, and if you get multiple
teams in the mix, you can drive the number up.

Speaker 3 (07:28):
Now, at a certain.

Speaker 4 (07:29):
Point, I think it's in Elik Willis's best interest to
take a shorter term deal and prove himself and then
cash in. That's gonna be part of the balancing act.
The team's gonna want to do a longer term deal
in case it works out, because if it doesn't, just
tear it up and you move on. You look at
what Sam Darnold got last year coming off of fourteen
wins with the Vikings. Three years, one hundred point five million,

(07:49):
thirty three point five million per year. It's hard to
imagine Willis getting thirty. But it all comes down to
how many teams want him, whether or not teams believe
he can be the long term d And you just
look around the league where the connections are.

Speaker 3 (08:02):
The Dolphins are going to move on from tu a
tongue of a looo.

Speaker 4 (08:05):
If they can structure a deal that gives Willis that
kind of twenty five to thirty million dollars, apy would
they do it? Their head coach knows him, their GM
knows him from the last two years in Green Bay.
You've got Matt Lafour the head coach of the Packers.
His brother's now the head coach of the Cardinals. They're
going to be looking for a quarterback. So there's teams
out there that are going to be evaluating Willis because

(08:27):
I'm not saying he's going to be a franchise quarterback,
but based on what we've seen, it's a hell of
a lot more evidence than we have for a guy
who's being drafted. We don't know whether a guy who's
being drafted can play in the NFL. We know Willis
cann The question is can you do it on a
full season basis? And the question becomes which team is
willing to make the investment?

Speaker 3 (08:45):
What's the right number?

Speaker 4 (08:46):
But he's going to get paid, the question is how
much and by whom.

Speaker 2 (08:51):
Lamar Jackson's got a seventy four million dollar cap hit.
I can't imagine that is going to be the case.
So is it a restructure? Is kicking can down the road?
Do they rip it up and give him a new deal?
What's Baltimore do well?

Speaker 4 (09:05):
Steve Ashatty, the owner of the team said in the
press conference following the firing of former head coach John Harbaugh.
They'd like to work out an extension before the start
of free agency. If not, they'll exercise their prerogative under
his existing contract to restructure kick the can reduce the
cap number. First question is will the Ravens and Lamar
Jackson come together in the short term and do a

(09:26):
deal that would secure his future with the Baltimore Ravens,
because he's got the littimate power here. Two more years
and he can walk away.

Speaker 3 (09:34):
And two years. On one hand, it's a lifetime in
the NFL. On the other hand, it goes by in
the blink.

Speaker 4 (09:38):
Of an eye and he'll be a free agent twenty
twenty eight.

Speaker 3 (09:41):
He'll be a free agent. He can go anywhere he wants.

Speaker 4 (09:43):
If he doesn't do a new deal, they're going to
have to entice him to do a new deal. And
he's been wanting a new deal for the last year.

Speaker 3 (09:49):
So the market changed.

Speaker 4 (09:51):
He's a two time MVP. His average is fifty two
point five. The top of the market technically is sixty,
although if you look at the new money average on
the Josh Allen contracts, a lot higher than that.

Speaker 3 (10:01):
I think something in the range.

Speaker 4 (10:02):
Of sixty to sixty two would get Lamar Jackson done.
And I've worked out the numbers. It's a three year
extension on the current two year deal. He'd give him
a new five year contract. But if he wants, he
can just make one hundred and four million over the
next two years and walk away. It's going to be
up to him one way or the other. Of the
Ravens are going to reduce that cap number. It's whether
they wave a magic wand and kick the can or

(10:22):
whether it's they work out a new contract. It pays
them at the top of the market.

Speaker 2 (10:26):
Well, speaking of the Ravens, did we find out yesterday
from Troy Vincent that maybe the wrong team won the
NFC North and the Ravens should have been the victors.

Speaker 4 (10:35):
Hey, this is something that I've been banging on ever
since it happened. It was December seven, Week fourteen. There
were three highly controversial calls in the Steelers Ravens game.

Speaker 3 (10:45):
One.

Speaker 4 (10:45):
The league admitted the next day that it was incorrect.
It was an unnecessary repinance call on a leverage issue
with a field goal attempt where a flag was thrown
and it shouldn't have been three points came off the board.
The Steelers then scored seven. On the next play, there
was an interception by the Ravens on a path that
was batted caught by Aaron Rodgers. He lost it while

(11:06):
he went to the ground. The ball came out, the
Ravens caught it. They overturned it to a catch. And
that's the one that really came into focus after the
Bills Broncos playoff game because under the reasoning that the
league gave in defending the decision to take the interception
off the board and make it a catch, you apply
that reasoning to the Brandon Cooks play from that playoff game.

(11:28):
It should have been a catch by Brandon Cooks because
he's going to the ground, but he's down by contact,
so it doesn't matter if he loses the ball if
he's down by contact. The league admitted that was incorrect
to overturn the interception and call it a catch.

Speaker 3 (11:41):
So that.

Speaker 4 (11:44):
Settles the issue of Bill's Broncos. We have harmony. Now
there wasn't harmony. You couldn't reconcile the two by admitting
that we've reconciled the two.

Speaker 3 (11:53):
But the Ravens now look.

Speaker 4 (11:54):
At it and say, well, we got screwed out of
that possession, and you throw on top of it the
Isaiah likely touchdown that taking off the board, and you
can make the argument the Ravens should have won that game,
and if they had, they may have been likely would
have been the AFT North champions and maybe John Harball
is still the head.

Speaker 3 (12:11):
Coach of the Ravens.

Speaker 2 (12:12):
Yeah, the slippery slope that we go down, Mike, always
a pleasure. We'll talk to you next week, see Buddy,
you bet, Mike Florio Pro football talk, all right, when
we come back, I want to talk about the forgotten
team in Seattle, and the Washington Husky basketball team has
been forgotten for a long long time for obvious reasons.
And I'm I see a difference in this team and

(12:33):
it shouldn't be as forgotten this year as it been
in the past. But there's still some wards and we'll
talk about those what those warts are, but we'll also
talk about what's right about the Husky basketball team next
on ninety three point three KJRFM,
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