July 8, 2026 • 12 mins
Mike Florio from PFT and NBC joins Dick Fain and Hugh Millen to talk about the World Cup and USA’s loss to Belgium with unnecessary involvement from Donald Trump, the need for a superstar soccer player in the United States and how that kind of a player would develop in this country, the youth soccer system issues and interest in the sport.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's time for a weekly conversation with Pro Football Talks
Mike Florio, brought to you by Simply Seattle. Tired of
buying and repping the same old Seattle sports gear everyone
else has. For the best Storm, Seahawks, Mariners, Kraken, Rainiers, Sounders,
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check out simply Sattle dot com.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Now with Mike Florio. Here's Softie and Dick Softian Dick
without the soft one. But Hugh Millen is here, and
so is Mike Florio. Michael, how are you doing great?
Speaker 3 (00:32):
Doing great?
Speaker 4 (00:33):
It's more fun when soft he's there and I can
mess with him, although we can talk about him since
he's not there.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
Where's he go now?
Speaker 2 (00:40):
I think he's in Montana.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Well, hopefully he won't get eaten by a bear. Hopefully
we will.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
See that's where I thought you were going.
Speaker 5 (00:49):
Hopefully he will versus Hopefully he won't.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
But Mike, you know you've been dipping your toe into
the the soccer front. We are very proud of the
job that Seattle did in this whole World Cup. We
are not as proud of Team USA and how they
performed in Seattle.
Speaker 5 (01:08):
The last game.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
But what did the ratings tell you about where we
are with this sport? Is it great news that was
watched by forty two million or is it not so
great news because the bigger soccer game in American history
didn't even reach what a yearly AFC or NFC title
game will get you.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
Well, but it did better than the average for the
divisional round in twenty twenty five played in January of
twenty twenty six, that was under forty million. The numbers
would have gotten bigger and bigger the farther the US went.
And look, I've got very strong opinions about this, and
I don't want half or thirty percent or ten percent
or whatever I guess in Seattle, it's a smaller percentage
(01:46):
in the rest of the world. It was fine until
somebody had to stick his big fat nose into it
and kill the vibe, and we would have had the
chip on our shoulder. He took the chip from our
shoulder and put it on there with the world against us.
The US team was feeling the way to it. You
could sense it coming through the TV screen. They were tight,
(02:07):
they were nervous, and Belgium was pissed off and there's
an alternate universe out there where he just butts out,
where he just.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
Lets us enjoy one thing.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
Can we have one thing that we can enjoy without
him getting involved?
Speaker 3 (02:20):
And unfortunately we thought we did, but we didn't.
Speaker 5 (02:26):
Well, we hear some of those vindictive directives at at
at the Orange Man. What if we can separate how
much you said you had strong opinions, Mike, how much
can we separate just the off had Obama done this
or Biden done this, or Bush had done this? How
(02:46):
much of the idea that the United States is the
number one superpower in terms of number one economy, number
one military, all of that. How much do you think
that frames the discussion as opposed to the President of
Trinidad and Tobago had intervened, like break down your hostilities
(03:06):
about this into the different facets.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
Well, first of all, I don't believe that any of
the three presidents you mentioned would have done it, including
George W. Bush, including George H. W. Bush, including any
other president. And if any of them would have done it,
they wouldn't have bragged about it.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
They wouldn't have proclaimed they're an expert in soccer.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
While also saying in the same clip, I'd never heard
of a red card before, so the whole thing was
just an embarrassment, and it disrupted what was just plain
old fun, unadulterated by any of the other crap that
we have to deal with all the time. And of course,
the President of the United States is in a far
greater position.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
To influence FIFA than anyone else.
Speaker 4 (03:47):
In the book that recently was published by Maggie Haberman
and Jonathan Swann, and I watched way too much cable news,
but I feel like it's important to.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
Stay up on these things.
Speaker 4 (03:57):
He said, he's the most powerful person in the history
of the world, and you could argue that he is
the president of the US at any given time, is
the most present the most powerful person in the history
of the world. Given the the arsenal of it is
that his fingertips, So when a call comes from him,
it's going to have a little more weight than if
the president of Cape Verde had gotten Johnny Infantino on
the line after Argentina came back and won, and Infantino
(04:21):
said he was he was suffering with Argentina before.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
He said, oh, but I'm still neutral, right right, Mike,
I got one more soccer for you, but as Hume
as well. You wrote today that we need a superstar
in this country. But how does that happen in your
mind when all of our best athletes are playing basketball
or football.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
Well, it happens all the way down at the most
basic level. And what I can relate to is growing
up in the seventies. After school, when it was football season,
we went and played football. When it was baseball season,
we went and played baseball. When it was basketball season,
we went and played basketball. And when we weren't on
organized teams, or if as in my case, we were
cut from the organized team, we went played with.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
The other kids.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
And until it's as fundamental as somebody comes out of
his house or her house with the women are doing fine.
I mean, that's the juxtaposition. Or our women's soccer program
is light years ahead of our men's but from the
men's and boys perspective, it's got to be the kid
rolling out of the house with the soccer ball and.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
The friends start kicking it around.
Speaker 4 (05:23):
They're playing in the street, They're playing in the empty
field down at the end.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
Of the neighborhood. They're going over to the park.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
They develop their skills and then as more kids play
and more kids get good, the kids who are good
are going to get better. The kids who are great
are going to be tested from an early age. And
it's just second nature when you see how adroitly a
high level soccer player can manipulate the ball with his feet,
(05:50):
that's something that happens from the moment you can walk.
You're rolling the soccer ball around, you're running around, not
in the little kid Halloween costs too with the Seahawks.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
Helmet and the twelve jersey.
Speaker 4 (06:03):
You're you're wearing the messy jersey and you're kicking a
ball around the house on Christmas Day when you're three
years old.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
And that is a zero sum game. It will be
at the expense of other sports. But that's the only
way to do it.
Speaker 4 (06:15):
And if you have enough kids participate and enough good
kids play, the great one, the one who truly has
the skills, is going to hone them to a finer
and finer point and become one of these Methis Ronaldo's
holland Harry Kane, you know, one of the guys that
because it's every World Cup, there's like, okay, we got
one guy who's our best player and then the next
(06:36):
World Cup.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
All right, there's another guy who's our best player.
Speaker 4 (06:37):
And I know, like Clint Dempsey crossed over from a couple,
but I'm talking about a generational talent. That's what we need,
and it's going to start at the most basic, grassroots
level and maybe something like this performance.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
Will spark it.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
The men winning the gold medal in hockey in nineteen
eighty create a lot of American hockey players twenty years
down the road, So kudos, But I think that's why
it was important to get as high as possible. Be guys,
I think the farther that team had gone, the more
kids would have caught the soccer bug, and the more
would have started playing, and we get to the point
(07:16):
where we develop a superstar who.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
Otherwise would have played a different sport.
Speaker 5 (07:19):
Mike Florio with this, Mike, I've got two questions in
response to your comments there, because I know you can
handle it. Number one is, as you described, this kind
of anecdotal situation where the kids now they eschew other
sports and now they're going to dribble the soccer ball
around and they start playing. Certainly we can see the
(07:42):
avenue in that, but where's the incentive when we have
poultry TV ratings, we have poultry salaries for soccer players.
It seems like, moving forward, the reason why those great
athletes are playing the other sports, all of those circumstances
are going to remain coming out of this. And then
(08:02):
the other the other part is I hear the people
that really know this, and I certainly don't, but but
I'm hearing a lot of decrying about the pay for
play and the idea that this has become an upper
middle class, suburban sport where where you've got to pay,
you know, several thousands of dollars to really be competitive,
to be exposed and what have you. So there's a
(08:24):
there's a way that the sport is unintentionally kind of
boxing themselves in from a socioeconomic standpoint in that regard
to the just kind of how are we going to
get to that spot that you're you're envisioning, we'll going
through some of these obstacles.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
Well, if enough kids start playing soccer on their own
with their friends, if kids even leave the house anymore
without both parents attached to them by a tether. But
you know, I compare it to what I knew and
if you have enough kids playing that it overwhelms the
current infrastructure. The infrastructure changes and one of the offshoots
of success of the men's team and just the overall
(09:03):
fascination with the World Cup. I mean, I'm gonna keep watching.
I've been watching. I've watched more than fifty, maybe sixty
of these matches.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
It just fits perfectly with my workflow. It's the perfect
sport for me.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
To watch while I'm working, and I'm gonna watch Premier League.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
I'm gonna watch MLS.
Speaker 4 (09:17):
So I'm gonna start consuming more soccer content. And I
think as more people get interested, more people watch, the
ratings go up, the money goes up. They've had some
soccer matches, both the women's team and the men's team
in Denver. Both of them filled the Broncos Stadium earlier
this year. Now, I think one of the reasons the
stadium fills is when Messi comes to town.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
But it's growing.
Speaker 4 (09:40):
And I remember fifty years ago when they tried to
make soccer a thing, and it felt like it was
something that was being force fed upon the populace and
people didn't respond to it. It still has a long
way to go, but it's come so far, And my
point is to get to where we have a dominant
presence on the world stage, you've got to have kids
(10:03):
from coast to coast who embrace it from a very
young age. And I'll be dead by the time that
ever happens, but I think that's the path to it happening.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Mike. The NCAA is opening up an investigation of Cincinnati
over the Brendan Soarsby gambling situation. Sworsby's agent aired them
out once again. I think on a podcast yesterday, how
much smoke is there with Cincinnati.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
Well.
Speaker 4 (10:26):
Ron Slavin a few weeks back was on radio in
Dallas and he said that Cincinnati knew about this for
two years, and the moment I heard that, it's like, well,
wait a minute, NCAA needs to investigate. NCAA currently has
no power when it comes to the players. It too
has power over its member institutions. And if Cincinnati knew
or had reason to know that Brendan Storesby had become
permanently ineligible by betting on the Indiana football program while
(10:49):
he was on the Indiana roster, then Cincinnati should have
done something about it, and the NCAA should look into
it and if Cincinnati knew absolutely nothing, had no reason
to do anything, I should have no problem with the NCAA
coming in and checking records and asking questions because they
didn't know anything and they had no reason to know anything.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
So the gray area could.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
Be did they have reason to know and did they
put blinders and earmuffs on and ignore it. I think
that's where the truth may be. I don't know this,
but I think maybe maybe there was some smoke and
they didn't go look for the flame. But I think
it's more than appropriate based on what Ron Slaven said,
(11:29):
based on his opinion, for the NCAA to find out
what the folks of Cincinnati knew and when they knew it.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
How versale is Mike Florio. We just talked soccer in
college football with our NFL expert for twelve minutes.
Speaker 5 (11:40):
That is fast slow time.
Speaker 4 (11:41):
You know, every year when the slow time arrives, there
is something.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
It fills that voue.
Speaker 4 (11:48):
Right. That's good because I was getting nervous when it
slows down, it's never going to speed up again. But
then training camps open and the next thing you know.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
It's week thirteen.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
We'll have plenty of NFL to tak beginning next week.
Thanks Mike, appreciate it. Thank guys, Mike Florio as always fantastic.
We'll come back. We'll talk a little bit more about
the Mariner debacle. I want to get into what Hugh
was asking Mike there about, you know, the pay for
play situation. We'll bring Jackson to that conversation as well,
coming up later on in the show on ninety three
(12:16):
point three KJRFM.
It's time for a weekly conversation with Pro Football Talks
Mike Florio, brought to you by Simply Seattle. Tired of
buying and repping the same old Seattle sports gear everyone
else has. For the best Storm, Seahawks, Mariners, Kraken, Rainiers, Sounders,
and not to mention, the largest Sonics collection in the world,
check out simply Sattle dot com.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Now with Mike Florio. Here's Softie and Dick Softian Dick
without the soft one. But Hugh Millen is here, and
so is Mike Florio. Michael, how are you doing great?
Speaker 3 (00:32):
Doing great?
Speaker 4 (00:33):
It's more fun when soft he's there and I can
mess with him, although we can talk about him since
he's not there.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
Where's he go now?
Speaker 2 (00:40):
I think he's in Montana.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Well, hopefully he won't get eaten by a bear. Hopefully
we will.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
See that's where I thought you were going.
Speaker 5 (00:49):
Hopefully he will versus Hopefully he won't.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
But Mike, you know you've been dipping your toe into
the the soccer front. We are very proud of the
job that Seattle did in this whole World Cup. We
are not as proud of Team USA and how they
performed in Seattle.
Speaker 5 (01:08):
The last game.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
But what did the ratings tell you about where we
are with this sport? Is it great news that was
watched by forty two million or is it not so
great news because the bigger soccer game in American history
didn't even reach what a yearly AFC or NFC title
game will get you.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
Well, but it did better than the average for the
divisional round in twenty twenty five played in January of
twenty twenty six, that was under forty million. The numbers
would have gotten bigger and bigger the farther the US went.
And look, I've got very strong opinions about this, and
I don't want half or thirty percent or ten percent
or whatever I guess in Seattle, it's a smaller percentage
(01:46):
in the rest of the world. It was fine until
somebody had to stick his big fat nose into it
and kill the vibe, and we would have had the
chip on our shoulder. He took the chip from our
shoulder and put it on there with the world against us.
The US team was feeling the way to it. You
could sense it coming through the TV screen. They were tight,
(02:07):
they were nervous, and Belgium was pissed off and there's
an alternate universe out there where he just butts out,
where he just.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
Lets us enjoy one thing.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
Can we have one thing that we can enjoy without
him getting involved?
Speaker 3 (02:20):
And unfortunately we thought we did, but we didn't.
Speaker 5 (02:26):
Well, we hear some of those vindictive directives at at
at the Orange Man. What if we can separate how
much you said you had strong opinions, Mike, how much
can we separate just the off had Obama done this
or Biden done this, or Bush had done this? How
(02:46):
much of the idea that the United States is the
number one superpower in terms of number one economy, number
one military, all of that. How much do you think
that frames the discussion as opposed to the President of
Trinidad and Tobago had intervened, like break down your hostilities
(03:06):
about this into the different facets.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
Well, first of all, I don't believe that any of
the three presidents you mentioned would have done it, including
George W. Bush, including George H. W. Bush, including any
other president. And if any of them would have done it,
they wouldn't have bragged about it.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
They wouldn't have proclaimed they're an expert in soccer.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
While also saying in the same clip, I'd never heard
of a red card before, so the whole thing was
just an embarrassment, and it disrupted what was just plain
old fun, unadulterated by any of the other crap that
we have to deal with all the time. And of course,
the President of the United States is in a far
greater position.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
To influence FIFA than anyone else.
Speaker 4 (03:47):
In the book that recently was published by Maggie Haberman
and Jonathan Swann, and I watched way too much cable news,
but I feel like it's important to.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
Stay up on these things.
Speaker 4 (03:57):
He said, he's the most powerful person in the history
of the world, and you could argue that he is
the president of the US at any given time, is
the most present the most powerful person in the history
of the world. Given the the arsenal of it is
that his fingertips, So when a call comes from him,
it's going to have a little more weight than if
the president of Cape Verde had gotten Johnny Infantino on
the line after Argentina came back and won, and Infantino
(04:21):
said he was he was suffering with Argentina before.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
He said, oh, but I'm still neutral, right right, Mike,
I got one more soccer for you, but as Hume
as well. You wrote today that we need a superstar
in this country. But how does that happen in your
mind when all of our best athletes are playing basketball
or football.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
Well, it happens all the way down at the most
basic level. And what I can relate to is growing
up in the seventies. After school, when it was football season,
we went and played football. When it was baseball season,
we went and played baseball. When it was basketball season,
we went and played basketball. And when we weren't on
organized teams, or if as in my case, we were
cut from the organized team, we went played with.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
The other kids.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
And until it's as fundamental as somebody comes out of
his house or her house with the women are doing fine.
I mean, that's the juxtaposition. Or our women's soccer program
is light years ahead of our men's but from the
men's and boys perspective, it's got to be the kid
rolling out of the house with the soccer ball and.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
The friends start kicking it around.
Speaker 4 (05:23):
They're playing in the street, They're playing in the empty
field down at the end.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
Of the neighborhood. They're going over to the park.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
They develop their skills and then as more kids play
and more kids get good, the kids who are good
are going to get better. The kids who are great
are going to be tested from an early age. And
it's just second nature when you see how adroitly a
high level soccer player can manipulate the ball with his feet,
(05:50):
that's something that happens from the moment you can walk.
You're rolling the soccer ball around, you're running around, not
in the little kid Halloween costs too with the Seahawks.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
Helmet and the twelve jersey.
Speaker 4 (06:03):
You're you're wearing the messy jersey and you're kicking a
ball around the house on Christmas Day when you're three
years old.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
And that is a zero sum game. It will be
at the expense of other sports. But that's the only
way to do it.
Speaker 4 (06:15):
And if you have enough kids participate and enough good
kids play, the great one, the one who truly has
the skills, is going to hone them to a finer
and finer point and become one of these Methis Ronaldo's
holland Harry Kane, you know, one of the guys that
because it's every World Cup, there's like, okay, we got
one guy who's our best player and then the next
(06:36):
World Cup.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
All right, there's another guy who's our best player.
Speaker 4 (06:37):
And I know, like Clint Dempsey crossed over from a couple,
but I'm talking about a generational talent. That's what we need,
and it's going to start at the most basic, grassroots
level and maybe something like this performance.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
Will spark it.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
The men winning the gold medal in hockey in nineteen
eighty create a lot of American hockey players twenty years
down the road, So kudos, But I think that's why
it was important to get as high as possible. Be guys,
I think the farther that team had gone, the more
kids would have caught the soccer bug, and the more
would have started playing, and we get to the point
(07:16):
where we develop a superstar who.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
Otherwise would have played a different sport.
Speaker 5 (07:19):
Mike Florio with this, Mike, I've got two questions in
response to your comments there, because I know you can
handle it. Number one is, as you described, this kind
of anecdotal situation where the kids now they eschew other
sports and now they're going to dribble the soccer ball
around and they start playing. Certainly we can see the
(07:42):
avenue in that, but where's the incentive when we have
poultry TV ratings, we have poultry salaries for soccer players.
It seems like, moving forward, the reason why those great
athletes are playing the other sports, all of those circumstances
are going to remain coming out of this. And then
(08:02):
the other the other part is I hear the people
that really know this, and I certainly don't, but but
I'm hearing a lot of decrying about the pay for
play and the idea that this has become an upper
middle class, suburban sport where where you've got to pay,
you know, several thousands of dollars to really be competitive,
to be exposed and what have you. So there's a
(08:24):
there's a way that the sport is unintentionally kind of
boxing themselves in from a socioeconomic standpoint in that regard
to the just kind of how are we going to
get to that spot that you're you're envisioning, we'll going
through some of these obstacles.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
Well, if enough kids start playing soccer on their own
with their friends, if kids even leave the house anymore
without both parents attached to them by a tether. But
you know, I compare it to what I knew and
if you have enough kids playing that it overwhelms the
current infrastructure. The infrastructure changes and one of the offshoots
of success of the men's team and just the overall
(09:03):
fascination with the World Cup. I mean, I'm gonna keep watching.
I've been watching. I've watched more than fifty, maybe sixty
of these matches.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
It just fits perfectly with my workflow. It's the perfect
sport for me.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
To watch while I'm working, and I'm gonna watch Premier League.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
I'm gonna watch MLS.
Speaker 4 (09:17):
So I'm gonna start consuming more soccer content. And I
think as more people get interested, more people watch, the
ratings go up, the money goes up. They've had some
soccer matches, both the women's team and the men's team
in Denver. Both of them filled the Broncos Stadium earlier
this year. Now, I think one of the reasons the
stadium fills is when Messi comes to town.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
But it's growing.
Speaker 4 (09:40):
And I remember fifty years ago when they tried to
make soccer a thing, and it felt like it was
something that was being force fed upon the populace and
people didn't respond to it. It still has a long
way to go, but it's come so far, And my
point is to get to where we have a dominant
presence on the world stage, you've got to have kids
(10:03):
from coast to coast who embrace it from a very
young age. And I'll be dead by the time that
ever happens, but I think that's the path to it happening.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Mike. The NCAA is opening up an investigation of Cincinnati
over the Brendan Soarsby gambling situation. Sworsby's agent aired them
out once again. I think on a podcast yesterday, how
much smoke is there with Cincinnati.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
Well.
Speaker 4 (10:26):
Ron Slavin a few weeks back was on radio in
Dallas and he said that Cincinnati knew about this for
two years, and the moment I heard that, it's like, well,
wait a minute, NCAA needs to investigate. NCAA currently has
no power when it comes to the players. It too
has power over its member institutions. And if Cincinnati knew
or had reason to know that Brendan Storesby had become
permanently ineligible by betting on the Indiana football program while
(10:49):
he was on the Indiana roster, then Cincinnati should have
done something about it, and the NCAA should look into
it and if Cincinnati knew absolutely nothing, had no reason
to do anything, I should have no problem with the NCAA
coming in and checking records and asking questions because they
didn't know anything and they had no reason to know anything.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
So the gray area could.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
Be did they have reason to know and did they
put blinders and earmuffs on and ignore it. I think
that's where the truth may be. I don't know this,
but I think maybe maybe there was some smoke and
they didn't go look for the flame. But I think
it's more than appropriate based on what Ron Slaven said,
(11:29):
based on his opinion, for the NCAA to find out
what the folks of Cincinnati knew and when they knew it.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
How versale is Mike Florio. We just talked soccer in
college football with our NFL expert for twelve minutes.
Speaker 5 (11:40):
That is fast slow time.
Speaker 4 (11:41):
You know, every year when the slow time arrives, there
is something.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
It fills that voue.
Speaker 4 (11:48):
Right. That's good because I was getting nervous when it
slows down, it's never going to speed up again. But
then training camps open and the next thing you know.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
It's week thirteen.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
We'll have plenty of NFL to tak beginning next week.
Thanks Mike, appreciate it. Thank guys, Mike Florio as always fantastic.
We'll come back. We'll talk a little bit more about
the Mariner debacle. I want to get into what Hugh
was asking Mike there about, you know, the pay for
play situation. We'll bring Jackson to that conversation as well,
coming up later on in the show on ninety three
(12:16):
point three KJRFM.
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