February 12, 2026 • 21 mins
Our Coach Mike Holmgren joins Dave Softy Mahler and Dick Fain to look back at the Seahawks Super Bowl Championship win over the Patriots, Sam Darnold’s meaning on the title and his contract, plus the future of the organization including Kenneth Walker III.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:32):
All right, big thanks to the five twenty Bar and Grail,
our homeway from home during the football season, joining us
right now in the radio show from the comfort of
his living room, maybe his office.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
He could be in the garage. You never know.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Our friend Mike Holmgren with us on the program. Mike,
how are you, man.
Speaker 4 (00:49):
I'm doing fine. You kept your voice second night? Sounds good?
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Yeah, not so much, right, I mean, this is what
happens when you win a title on Sunday and you
go to the parade on Wednesday.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
Man, Well, why don't we.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
First of all, talk about what you saw Sunday, Your
initial kind of reaction to the Seahawks bringing home the
second championship in franchise history.
Speaker 4 (01:10):
Well, it was it was wonderful, first of all, and
I couldn't be happier for Mike and the team and
how they accomplished it this season. And they just from
the kickoff, the opening kickoff in that game, the game
was in their hands. It was in their hands. I
don't think there was no chance New England was going
to score too much and then they would have enough points.
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When it was twelve or nothing, I thought the game
was over, and they continued. They New England just couldn't
do anything. And so hats off to the Seahawks. If
you remember who picked them to go to the Super
Bowl in the mid season, I'm just saying.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
I love it. I love it. I believe it was
Dick Fane.
Speaker 5 (01:51):
That's no, it was Mike Congrid coach. You know, we
really appreciate you joining us in the post game show
on Sunday.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
That was a lot of fun.
Speaker 5 (02:00):
One thing I didn't ask then was what surprised you
the most based upon what you expected to happen on
Sunday versus what you actually saw.
Speaker 4 (02:12):
I think the fact that New England look at their
fourteen and three and there are a lot of reasons
people are poking holes at their record because of who
they played and all that kind of stuff. But I
really thought that they would do a little bit more
on offense. I really did. That was before and I
didn't know. I hadn't studied the team like you does,
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but that was before I saw their offensive line in play.
Once I saw that, I go, boy, this is going
to be long day for the quarterback. But that's what
surprised me the most, that they that a team that
was fourteen and three, they're in the Super Bowl, but
their offense they just couldn't couldn't compete with the Seahawks.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Well, you know, now you've got people coming out saying, well,
he was hurt, and there's people wondering if the pay
were hiding something on their injury report, right, because the
Patriots are never known for any shenanigans at all, un
Bob Kraft, Right, I mean, did you see a guy,
I mean, Mike after three quarters, Drake May was eight
of eighteen for sixty one yards passing like they shut
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him down in that game. Most of what he got
stats wise came in garbage time in the fourth quarter.
Did you see a guy that looked like he was
affected by a shoulder problem at all on Drake May No.
Speaker 4 (03:27):
I didn't. That wasn't the problem. I think they listen,
we I had shoulder problems when I was playing. You know,
you have shoulder problems. If they if the doctors can
inject it and relieve some of the pain, then you
can play. It wasn't anything structural, you know. And so no,
that wasn't the problem. The problem was that they, in
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my opinion, that they their their play calling and what
they had had him do offensively it wasn't working, and
they didn't change anything. You know, they kept dropping him
straight back the same spot for a front foard to
tee off he was. They didn't roll him out. They
didn't you know, they didn't do play action pass, no screens. No,
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they didn't mix it up like you would. If you're
feeling like you're not getting it done offensively a certain way,
you got to go to play and b We've talked
about that many times and they didn't do that. Now
I'm not sure would it have made a great deal
of difference. But that's the thing that struck me. It
wasn't his arm, Dave, it wasn't his shoulder.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
Yeah, well, you're exactly right.
Speaker 5 (04:29):
I don't think a Mike holgeran offense would ever look
that anempt and not have adjustments.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
But Mike, how much was an indictment on the quarterback himself?
How much it was of it was on May.
Speaker 5 (04:39):
Because there was a you know, there was a decent
percentage of the NFL populace that were like, all right,
is Drake may really this good? Or did he just
feast on like the Dolphins and the Jets all season long?
Speaker 4 (04:52):
Well? I think there was a little dat But I
think I honestly think he's going to be fine. He's
going to be a good quarterback for a long time
in the league. You know what I don't right now?
I don't think offensively, he's surrounded by a lot of
good people. You know, the offensive line clearly clearly needs work. Boy,
that was that was hard to watch. Yeah, and then
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and then his receivers and you know, they have digs,
but who else I can't even name them, right, you know,
and they got a good they got a good tight end. Okay,
get into the ball.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Yeah, go to them, Yeah yeah right, yeah, yeah, Well
I know it's Mike.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
I guess.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
The question then becomes from from our perspective about our
quarterback and Sam Donald, And I don't know, I feel
like it's given me a headache having this conversation, but
we have to have it because of every more on
the media that wants to criticize Sam Donald for just
you know, not doing anything with this football team. We
got a guy on Fox that called him scam Donald
for crying out loud, which is just ludicrous. But how
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much credit would you want to give Sam Donald for
what this team just did, winning seventeen of twenty and
winning a championship.
Speaker 4 (05:59):
I Dave, We've talked about him before and I've said it.
They wouldn't be there without him, and they have, they have.
They have good, a good team, a great team, but
they wouldn't be there. They needed Sam to be their quarterback.
You know, the one game way through the four interceptions
and that was it. That was it. There were times,
you know where he get a little jittery there, but listen,
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he got it done for him and he did some
made some great throws and made some great plays. You're
not going to be perfect, but without him, they're not there.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
They needed him, no question.
Speaker 5 (06:36):
Expand on what you told me in Huan pregame that
you felt this win elevates the Hawks into kind of
a different stratosphere in the NFL as far as reputation
and legacy.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
Yeah, I think I think there is a The NFL
is kind of weird, you know, they they there are
certain parts of the country, certain teams that nationally kind
of think about, okay, there, that's they've been a power.
They're a power. They're going to super Bowls. I don't
think people think of Seattle that much that way. Yet
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over the course of there are history. You know, we've
had some really fine football teams. You know, we don't
didn't go to the Super Bowl every year, but now
you know we have gone to the super Bowl and
they won the Super Bowl and so and I suspect
they are geared up now unless injury, you know, crazy
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things can happen, injuries and things like that, but they're
geared up now with this new coach and young players.
Are basically young team and a good quarterback to really
set the tone for a lot of years to come.
I think, right and people. I think people watch that game,
and and you know, one hundred and twenty eight million
watched the game. So I think Seattle. Seattle is now
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stamped at that plays good football in the NFL with.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
A thirty eight year old head coach that plays phenomenal defense.
That's going to be a staple of this team for
a long time as long as Mike is here. But
Mike McDonald with us, Mike McDonald, Mike Holmgren, holy cow,
both great coach is with us on the radio.
Speaker 4 (08:13):
Shide, I'm just a little I'm just a little older
than Mike mcdonaldy.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Slightly slightly slightly, yeah, and just by a couple of years.
We're having the discussion before you came on about kind
of how much credit Pete Carroll should be given for
what just happened. I mean, there's a lot of guys
Canine Jackson Smith and Jigba three fifths of your starting
offensive line, Chennon and Woe Sue, Leonard Williams, Julian Love,
Devin Witherspoon, We're all guys that were brought in when
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Pete Carroll was apparently at the top of the food
chain calling the shots, and a lot of folks don't
want to give him any credit really for what the
Hawks just did.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
How much credit would you want to give any.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Coach who was on the job and was partially, if
not fully, responsible for bringing in a large part of
this roster that just won a title.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
No, I think you know, Pete deserves credit as well. Absolutely.
I remember a story when my first year and we've
beaten Kansas City in a game at near the end
of the year. We've kind of struggling at the time,
and they did a thing with Chuck Knox and he
was there and it was an honor and what I
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had inherited from a coach like Chuck Knox. You know,
I don't I didn't forget that. That's real. Now you
have to kind of make it, stamp your own name
to the product. Absolutely, but you know, give credit where
credit is to, because there are some players here that
Pete cop and now Mike's taken over the rings.
Speaker 5 (09:41):
We'll talk about some individual players in the next few
minutes that are coming up for free agency and get
your take on them.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
But like overall, when you won.
Speaker 5 (09:50):
Your Super Bowl and then you went back to the
next training camp, what type of conversation did you have
with the team about being the hunted and and you know,
getting big contracts, and you know, and in preventing a
repeat potentially because of these other things that crop up, you.
Speaker 4 (10:10):
Know, Dick, It's funny the That's one of the conversations
I had with a couple of coaches, you know. Mike
Ditka was one, Bill Parcells was another, saying the challenges
that you have to repeat this is what kind of
stands in your way. One you lose, you lose coaches,
and replacing the coaches is not always easy. And you
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lose some players, they all of a sudden you win
a super Bowl, they want more money, you know this,
that they're writing books, they got TV shows, They all
of a sudden start get caught up in what they
had done. And then you got it. You got to
temper that a little bit. And so that's what I did.
I kind of took their advice, and you know, I
talked a lot about trying to repeat this is in
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Green Bay. And and we did. We got to the
super Bowl again, didn't win, but we got there again.
But talk to him about what we did was wonderful.
Now it's going to be even harder now, Yeah, we
have to even we have to even work even harder
now to get back there again. And so that he
might I know, that's kind of he's wired that way anyway,
(11:18):
and so he'll have the discussion with him.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
Well, when you say it was harder to get back,
you said that after you beat New England.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
Was it harder to get back that next year?
Speaker 2 (11:30):
I mean, you know before you played Denver in that game,
do you remember moments during that next season in Green
Bay where you felt like, God, this really is harder
than it was a year ago.
Speaker 4 (11:40):
Well, well, Dave, no, I think no, it didn't turn
out that way. In fact, in some respects, the team
was better, We were better and they listened. When impressed
me is that now we didn't win the Super Bowl,
and I put that on my shoulders. But what impressed
me it was how the player did react and how
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they approached their job that year. And so you know,
I was very very happy with very proud of them
that way. And so but I think the way that
this team is set up, it seems to me the
way they connect that word is used a lot, connect
with one another, connect with the coaches. I think it's
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it's going to be a little bit easier than maybe
a lot of teams getting back there again, but still
it's a challenge from.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
A competitive standpoint.
Speaker 5 (12:33):
Who would you want to play in the first game
of the season next year, you're going to get the
banner unveiled, You're going to be on Thursday Night football
first game of the year. Would you want a rematch
with the Patriots? Because that's on the board. We know
it can't be the Rams and the Niners because the
Rams and the Niners are going to be in Australia when
we're playing the first game of the season here. So
the other big name teams are patent you know, Kansas City, Dallas,
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or you could have a rematch with the Patriots. Would
you want to see the Patriots its first game of
the season.
Speaker 4 (13:02):
Sure I would, Okay, you know I wouldn't You know?
The Patriots schedule next year because of their record this
year is going to be quite different than the teams
they played last this year. This yeesh last year, and
they're gonna much tougher schedule. So no, they'll but they'll
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listen if they played each other, they'll be some added
incentives obviously, but to change they have in my opinion.
They have a little work to do, a little work
to do more than maybe a lot of teams that
have played in the Super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
Yeah, Mike, did the right guy win the MVP? Some
folks think it should have been a defensive player. Others say,
Jason Myers just set a Super Bowl record for field goals.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
Oh, don't tell coach Homer about a kicker win.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
The MVP went to Kenny Walker one hundred and sixty
one total yards.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
Did the right guy win the MVP?
Speaker 4 (13:54):
Absolutely? I voted for him in the home Run Family
vote after the game. Yeah. Now there was a little discussion,
but defense, who do you give it to? On defense?
Probably there's a bunch of guys. Yeah, but there were
a lot of really outstanding performers on defense. But the
one that really changed things I think for the offensive
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team was Walker. He had a great game.
Speaker 5 (14:19):
Well, speaking of Walker, coach, I wanted to take your
Mike Holmgren head coach hat off, and you have to
put your Mike Holmgren only GM hat on, right, because
those are different hats when it comes to re signing players.
Speaker 4 (14:31):
You've told us that is that the truth?
Speaker 5 (14:34):
How far do you go to keep Ken Walker? I
mean we're talking four years. Forty eight million is kind
of the you know, the range that Josh Jacobs just got.
And how much does Charbona's injury kind of factor into
the price tag you put on ken Walker if you
sign him.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
Well, I think, yeah, I think all those things factor in,
but the number one thing is ken Walker, right, you know,
how do they feel about ken Walker and what he's done?
When they when they finally handed him the ball dick
a little bit, you know, they got they got more
out of him, and I think I think they also
learned valuable lessons there too, because he cared about twenty
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seven times in the game. That was really unusual. But
look what happened, and so I hope that was your
you know, but you guys are exactly right. That was
the hardest thing I had to do, you know, and uh,
sit down with the money people in the organization and
we start talking about stuff, and oh man, that was hard.
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But they're not going to be able to sign everybody back.
I don't think, although the fans we would like him too,
but I think ken Walker, you got to keep him,
and you got to figure out a way to do it.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
Mike Homegrown with us for a few more minutes, Mike,
we've kind of kicked herund the idea. You don't need
to do anything with Sam Donald yet because the guy's
got two years left on his contract. But if you
see Sam Donald as the quarterback passed twenty twenty seven,
which I think right now we do, he's only what
twenty eight is that, right, Nick, So he'll be thirty
years old, play into his early mid thirties. Whatever would
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you think about maybe ripping up his deal right now
and extending him through two thousand and thirty two, two
thousand and thirty three to maybe try and save some
money on the back end, or do you just stick
with the plan for now and see what happens at
the end of next year.
Speaker 4 (16:27):
I think historically that's the way they do things right.
You know, you get organizations and now you always just
the Steelers as the classic example. They do things a
certain way. The players know what everybody knows it, and
they've been very good at because of that. Now you
might lose a player here and there, but so and
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Sam donold. Look, he's happy, Walker's happy. They want to
play here, they want to be here, and so he's
got a good contract. He knows it, he knows what
the Seahawks did for him, and and I think they
can they can wait a year, you know. And it's
not to say, let's see how he does. You're expecting
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him to do well, and but then we can wait
a year and keep our how we do business the
same coach.
Speaker 5 (17:14):
There's no question that Shaheed is a special kick returner.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
What what type of receiver is he? In your mind?
Speaker 4 (17:22):
I think he's a. I think he's an outstanding receiver.
He's a he's a speed guy and uh defenses have
to be aware of him otherwise he can beat you
down the field. And uh so, I think he's a
great addition. When they signed him, I really didn't know
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him that well. But that as the third receiver that
helped Jigma, that helped Cup and so no, that was
a great addition.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
How big of a loss is Kubiak as the play
caller in the OC?
Speaker 4 (17:59):
Well, well, like I said before, that's that's the tough one.
You know. He's he came in, he's been there one year.
Clearly he was the right guy. And now to lose
him after only one year, that now I'm thinking myself,
I'm trying to look. I don't know if you got
you guys, hear more stuff about it than I do
about who's who's next in line or internal?
Speaker 3 (18:21):
Are they looking at internal guys? Internal guys?
Speaker 4 (18:25):
That's really yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
Okay, by the way, well, as.
Speaker 4 (18:30):
Long as it's not the assistant special teams coach.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
You know, it's not going to be Jay Harbaugh's lackey.
It will not be.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
But Andrew Jinoko, past game coordinator, quarterback coach, you know,
guys like that they're talking about.
Speaker 4 (18:43):
Yeah, and and but I think there is a real
I think it's important that whoever comes in, if he's
from the outside, first of all, that he learns what
the offense is. He learns that he's not bringing in
a system. The system is here, right, he has to
learn it. I did to do that in San Francisco
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one to forty nine ers, and I think that's the
best thing. The players know what the quarterback knows it.
Now he has to learn it. That's the first thing.
After that, you know the personality of the guy. It's
it's really important who they who they get for this
and if, like you said, if internal that makes sense.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
To me, right, keep it going, man, all right?
Speaker 4 (19:24):
Man?
Speaker 3 (19:24):
Listen great stuff.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
You ever get lonely and you want to hop on
the air and say hello, call us.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
We're always here for you pal.
Speaker 4 (19:31):
All right, Oh that's that's really nice. Thank you. I
appreciate that.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
You bet. We're always thinking about you man and your
mental well being.
Speaker 4 (19:37):
So just if forever need it points better anything informational
phone di donal.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
You want to bet some money on the NBA or
college basketball or whatever.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
Oh, oh, we're here for you. Hey, we won that
Super Bowl coach Seahawks in the under. Absolutely, you didn't
tell you what.
Speaker 4 (19:55):
My daughter Hey, real quick, I tell you what my
daughter Kala did. No, she's the doc her Dave, you
know her. She she shows me and goes, I want
to make a bet on this on the game. I
said you what, she didn't bet? She goes, I go,
how do I do that? I said, you phone one
of these things and look it up. So she plays
to the bet. So she phones me during the game.
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She's excited. She goes, Dad, I think I got some here.
I'm going to hit it big. All of a sudden,
Walker scores that touchdown and I hear her screaming over
the phone. She's phoning us from Chicago. She's on the phone. Ah,
and then all said no, she had bet Walker scoring
a touchdown in the game. They took it off the board,
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so I said, cal let this be a lesson to you.
Don't gamble.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
That's right, well, but that that would have hit the
over though. If he would have scored on, that would
have lost that. Who are you more concerned about your
daughter or Dick and Dave over here?
Speaker 3 (20:55):
We got to keith her to keep going all about us.
Speaker 4 (20:58):
I'll always side with her. I'm sorry whatever.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
All right, man, great stuff. I love having you on.
You know that, you know how important you are to
this radio station. And we will talk very soon.
Speaker 4 (21:07):
Man, Thanks coach, Thanks guys.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
All right, Mike Homer with us. We're gonna break.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
Nobody really interested in giving Pete Carroll any credit at all.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
I'm nice.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Jackson has started a movement and it's spread to the
Texan guy focus, to the talkback, to social media.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
He is leading the charge. Man, no credit for Pete
Carroll at all. Jackson's patient zero for this roster.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
You ever see the movie Outbreak, By the way, you're
the monkey, that's what you are. Here comes Dustin Hoffman.
We're gonna break more talkbacks on that, and we'll get
to Scott Zolak from the Patriot Radio Crew. Reaction from
Boston at five on ninety three to three KJRFM
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Speaker 2 (00:32):
All right, big thanks to the five twenty Bar and Grail,
our homeway from home during the football season, joining us
right now in the radio show from the comfort of
his living room, maybe his office.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
He could be in the garage. You never know.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Our friend Mike Holmgren with us on the program. Mike,
how are you, man.
Speaker 4 (00:49):
I'm doing fine. You kept your voice second night? Sounds good?
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Yeah, not so much, right, I mean, this is what
happens when you win a title on Sunday and you
go to the parade on Wednesday.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
Man, Well, why don't we.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
First of all, talk about what you saw Sunday, Your
initial kind of reaction to the Seahawks bringing home the
second championship in franchise history.
Speaker 4 (01:10):
Well, it was it was wonderful, first of all, and
I couldn't be happier for Mike and the team and
how they accomplished it this season. And they just from
the kickoff, the opening kickoff in that game, the game
was in their hands. It was in their hands. I
don't think there was no chance New England was going
to score too much and then they would have enough points.
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When it was twelve or nothing, I thought the game
was over, and they continued. They New England just couldn't
do anything. And so hats off to the Seahawks. If
you remember who picked them to go to the Super
Bowl in the mid season, I'm just saying.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
I love it. I love it. I believe it was
Dick Fane.
Speaker 5 (01:51):
That's no, it was Mike Congrid coach. You know, we
really appreciate you joining us in the post game show
on Sunday.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
That was a lot of fun.
Speaker 5 (02:00):
One thing I didn't ask then was what surprised you
the most based upon what you expected to happen on
Sunday versus what you actually saw.
Speaker 4 (02:12):
I think the fact that New England look at their
fourteen and three and there are a lot of reasons
people are poking holes at their record because of who
they played and all that kind of stuff. But I
really thought that they would do a little bit more
on offense. I really did. That was before and I
didn't know. I hadn't studied the team like you does,
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but that was before I saw their offensive line in play.
Once I saw that, I go, boy, this is going
to be long day for the quarterback. But that's what
surprised me the most, that they that a team that
was fourteen and three, they're in the Super Bowl, but
their offense they just couldn't couldn't compete with the Seahawks.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Well, you know, now you've got people coming out saying, well,
he was hurt, and there's people wondering if the pay
were hiding something on their injury report, right, because the
Patriots are never known for any shenanigans at all, un
Bob Kraft, Right, I mean, did you see a guy,
I mean, Mike after three quarters, Drake May was eight
of eighteen for sixty one yards passing like they shut
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him down in that game. Most of what he got
stats wise came in garbage time in the fourth quarter.
Did you see a guy that looked like he was
affected by a shoulder problem at all on Drake May No.
Speaker 4 (03:27):
I didn't. That wasn't the problem. I think they listen,
we I had shoulder problems when I was playing. You know,
you have shoulder problems. If they if the doctors can
inject it and relieve some of the pain, then you
can play. It wasn't anything structural, you know. And so no,
that wasn't the problem. The problem was that they, in
(03:48):
my opinion, that they their their play calling and what
they had had him do offensively it wasn't working, and
they didn't change anything. You know, they kept dropping him
straight back the same spot for a front foard to
tee off he was. They didn't roll him out. They
didn't you know, they didn't do play action pass, no screens. No,
(04:10):
they didn't mix it up like you would. If you're
feeling like you're not getting it done offensively a certain way,
you got to go to play and b We've talked
about that many times and they didn't do that. Now
I'm not sure would it have made a great deal
of difference. But that's the thing that struck me. It
wasn't his arm, Dave, it wasn't his shoulder.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
Yeah, well, you're exactly right.
Speaker 5 (04:29):
I don't think a Mike holgeran offense would ever look
that anempt and not have adjustments.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
But Mike, how much was an indictment on the quarterback himself?
How much it was of it was on May.
Speaker 5 (04:39):
Because there was a you know, there was a decent
percentage of the NFL populace that were like, all right,
is Drake may really this good? Or did he just
feast on like the Dolphins and the Jets all season long?
Speaker 4 (04:52):
Well? I think there was a little dat But I
think I honestly think he's going to be fine. He's
going to be a good quarterback for a long time
in the league. You know what I don't right now?
I don't think offensively, he's surrounded by a lot of
good people. You know, the offensive line clearly clearly needs work. Boy,
that was that was hard to watch. Yeah, and then
(05:14):
and then his receivers and you know, they have digs,
but who else I can't even name them, right, you know,
and they got a good they got a good tight end. Okay,
get into the ball.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Yeah, go to them, Yeah yeah right, yeah, yeah, Well
I know it's Mike.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
I guess.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
The question then becomes from from our perspective about our
quarterback and Sam Donald, And I don't know, I feel
like it's given me a headache having this conversation, but
we have to have it because of every more on
the media that wants to criticize Sam Donald for just
you know, not doing anything with this football team. We
got a guy on Fox that called him scam Donald
for crying out loud, which is just ludicrous. But how
(05:50):
much credit would you want to give Sam Donald for
what this team just did, winning seventeen of twenty and
winning a championship.
Speaker 4 (05:59):
I Dave, We've talked about him before and I've said it.
They wouldn't be there without him, and they have, they have.
They have good, a good team, a great team, but
they wouldn't be there. They needed Sam to be their quarterback.
You know, the one game way through the four interceptions
and that was it. That was it. There were times,
you know where he get a little jittery there, but listen,
(06:22):
he got it done for him and he did some
made some great throws and made some great plays. You're
not going to be perfect, but without him, they're not there.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
They needed him, no question.
Speaker 5 (06:36):
Expand on what you told me in Huan pregame that
you felt this win elevates the Hawks into kind of
a different stratosphere in the NFL as far as reputation
and legacy.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
Yeah, I think I think there is a The NFL
is kind of weird, you know, they they there are
certain parts of the country, certain teams that nationally kind
of think about, okay, there, that's they've been a power.
They're a power. They're going to super Bowls. I don't
think people think of Seattle that much that way. Yet
(07:09):
over the course of there are history. You know, we've
had some really fine football teams. You know, we don't
didn't go to the Super Bowl every year, but now
you know we have gone to the super Bowl and
they won the Super Bowl and so and I suspect
they are geared up now unless injury, you know, crazy
(07:29):
things can happen, injuries and things like that, but they're
geared up now with this new coach and young players.
Are basically young team and a good quarterback to really
set the tone for a lot of years to come.
I think, right and people. I think people watch that game,
and and you know, one hundred and twenty eight million
watched the game. So I think Seattle. Seattle is now
(07:54):
stamped at that plays good football in the NFL with.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
A thirty eight year old head coach that plays phenomenal defense.
That's going to be a staple of this team for
a long time as long as Mike is here. But
Mike McDonald with us, Mike McDonald, Mike Holmgren, holy cow,
both great coach is with us on the radio.
Speaker 4 (08:13):
Shide, I'm just a little I'm just a little older
than Mike mcdonaldy.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Slightly slightly slightly, yeah, and just by a couple of years.
We're having the discussion before you came on about kind
of how much credit Pete Carroll should be given for
what just happened. I mean, there's a lot of guys
Canine Jackson Smith and Jigba three fifths of your starting
offensive line, Chennon and Woe Sue, Leonard Williams, Julian Love,
Devin Witherspoon, We're all guys that were brought in when
(08:37):
Pete Carroll was apparently at the top of the food
chain calling the shots, and a lot of folks don't
want to give him any credit really for what the
Hawks just did.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
How much credit would you want to give any.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Coach who was on the job and was partially, if
not fully, responsible for bringing in a large part of
this roster that just won a title.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
No, I think you know, Pete deserves credit as well. Absolutely.
I remember a story when my first year and we've
beaten Kansas City in a game at near the end
of the year. We've kind of struggling at the time,
and they did a thing with Chuck Knox and he
was there and it was an honor and what I
(09:18):
had inherited from a coach like Chuck Knox. You know,
I don't I didn't forget that. That's real. Now you
have to kind of make it, stamp your own name
to the product. Absolutely, but you know, give credit where
credit is to, because there are some players here that
Pete cop and now Mike's taken over the rings.
Speaker 5 (09:41):
We'll talk about some individual players in the next few
minutes that are coming up for free agency and get
your take on them.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
But like overall, when you won.
Speaker 5 (09:50):
Your Super Bowl and then you went back to the
next training camp, what type of conversation did you have
with the team about being the hunted and and you know,
getting big contracts, and you know, and in preventing a
repeat potentially because of these other things that crop up, you.
Speaker 4 (10:10):
Know, Dick, It's funny the That's one of the conversations
I had with a couple of coaches, you know. Mike
Ditka was one, Bill Parcells was another, saying the challenges
that you have to repeat this is what kind of
stands in your way. One you lose, you lose coaches,
and replacing the coaches is not always easy. And you
(10:34):
lose some players, they all of a sudden you win
a super Bowl, they want more money, you know this,
that they're writing books, they got TV shows, They all
of a sudden start get caught up in what they
had done. And then you got it. You got to
temper that a little bit. And so that's what I did.
I kind of took their advice, and you know, I
talked a lot about trying to repeat this is in
(10:57):
Green Bay. And and we did. We got to the
super Bowl again, didn't win, but we got there again.
But talk to him about what we did was wonderful.
Now it's going to be even harder now, Yeah, we
have to even we have to even work even harder
now to get back there again. And so that he
might I know, that's kind of he's wired that way anyway,
(11:18):
and so he'll have the discussion with him.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
Well, when you say it was harder to get back,
you said that after you beat New England.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
Was it harder to get back that next year?
Speaker 2 (11:30):
I mean, you know before you played Denver in that game,
do you remember moments during that next season in Green
Bay where you felt like, God, this really is harder
than it was a year ago.
Speaker 4 (11:40):
Well, well, Dave, no, I think no, it didn't turn
out that way. In fact, in some respects, the team
was better, We were better and they listened. When impressed
me is that now we didn't win the Super Bowl,
and I put that on my shoulders. But what impressed
me it was how the player did react and how
(12:01):
they approached their job that year. And so you know,
I was very very happy with very proud of them
that way. And so but I think the way that
this team is set up, it seems to me the
way they connect that word is used a lot, connect
with one another, connect with the coaches. I think it's
(12:25):
it's going to be a little bit easier than maybe
a lot of teams getting back there again, but still
it's a challenge from.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
A competitive standpoint.
Speaker 5 (12:33):
Who would you want to play in the first game
of the season next year, you're going to get the
banner unveiled, You're going to be on Thursday Night football
first game of the year. Would you want a rematch
with the Patriots? Because that's on the board. We know
it can't be the Rams and the Niners because the
Rams and the Niners are going to be in Australia when
we're playing the first game of the season here. So
the other big name teams are patent you know, Kansas City, Dallas,
(12:56):
or you could have a rematch with the Patriots. Would
you want to see the Patriots its first game of
the season.
Speaker 4 (13:02):
Sure I would, Okay, you know I wouldn't You know?
The Patriots schedule next year because of their record this
year is going to be quite different than the teams
they played last this year. This yeesh last year, and
they're gonna much tougher schedule. So no, they'll but they'll
(13:22):
listen if they played each other, they'll be some added
incentives obviously, but to change they have in my opinion.
They have a little work to do, a little work
to do more than maybe a lot of teams that
have played in the Super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
Yeah, Mike, did the right guy win the MVP? Some
folks think it should have been a defensive player. Others say,
Jason Myers just set a Super Bowl record for field goals.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
Oh, don't tell coach Homer about a kicker win.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
The MVP went to Kenny Walker one hundred and sixty
one total yards.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
Did the right guy win the MVP?
Speaker 4 (13:54):
Absolutely? I voted for him in the home Run Family
vote after the game. Yeah. Now there was a little discussion,
but defense, who do you give it to? On defense?
Probably there's a bunch of guys. Yeah, but there were
a lot of really outstanding performers on defense. But the
one that really changed things I think for the offensive
(14:15):
team was Walker. He had a great game.
Speaker 5 (14:19):
Well, speaking of Walker, coach, I wanted to take your
Mike Holmgren head coach hat off, and you have to
put your Mike Holmgren only GM hat on, right, because
those are different hats when it comes to re signing players.
Speaker 4 (14:31):
You've told us that is that the truth?
Speaker 5 (14:34):
How far do you go to keep Ken Walker? I
mean we're talking four years. Forty eight million is kind
of the you know, the range that Josh Jacobs just got.
And how much does Charbona's injury kind of factor into
the price tag you put on ken Walker if you
sign him.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
Well, I think, yeah, I think all those things factor in,
but the number one thing is ken Walker, right, you know,
how do they feel about ken Walker and what he's done?
When they when they finally handed him the ball dick
a little bit, you know, they got they got more
out of him, and I think I think they also
learned valuable lessons there too, because he cared about twenty
(15:15):
seven times in the game. That was really unusual. But
look what happened, and so I hope that was your
you know, but you guys are exactly right. That was
the hardest thing I had to do, you know, and uh,
sit down with the money people in the organization and
we start talking about stuff, and oh man, that was hard.
(15:37):
But they're not going to be able to sign everybody back.
I don't think, although the fans we would like him too,
but I think ken Walker, you got to keep him,
and you got to figure out a way to do it.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
Mike Homegrown with us for a few more minutes, Mike,
we've kind of kicked herund the idea. You don't need
to do anything with Sam Donald yet because the guy's
got two years left on his contract. But if you
see Sam Donald as the quarterback passed twenty twenty seven,
which I think right now we do, he's only what
twenty eight is that, right, Nick, So he'll be thirty
years old, play into his early mid thirties. Whatever would
(16:11):
you think about maybe ripping up his deal right now
and extending him through two thousand and thirty two, two
thousand and thirty three to maybe try and save some
money on the back end, or do you just stick
with the plan for now and see what happens at
the end of next year.
Speaker 4 (16:27):
I think historically that's the way they do things right.
You know, you get organizations and now you always just
the Steelers as the classic example. They do things a
certain way. The players know what everybody knows it, and
they've been very good at because of that. Now you
might lose a player here and there, but so and
(16:47):
Sam donold. Look, he's happy, Walker's happy. They want to
play here, they want to be here, and so he's
got a good contract. He knows it, he knows what
the Seahawks did for him, and and I think they
can they can wait a year, you know. And it's
not to say, let's see how he does. You're expecting
(17:07):
him to do well, and but then we can wait
a year and keep our how we do business the
same coach.
Speaker 5 (17:14):
There's no question that Shaheed is a special kick returner.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
What what type of receiver is he? In your mind?
Speaker 4 (17:22):
I think he's a. I think he's an outstanding receiver.
He's a he's a speed guy and uh defenses have
to be aware of him otherwise he can beat you
down the field. And uh so, I think he's a
great addition. When they signed him, I really didn't know
(17:43):
him that well. But that as the third receiver that
helped Jigma, that helped Cup and so no, that was
a great addition.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
How big of a loss is Kubiak as the play
caller in the OC?
Speaker 4 (17:59):
Well, well, like I said before, that's that's the tough one.
You know. He's he came in, he's been there one year.
Clearly he was the right guy. And now to lose
him after only one year, that now I'm thinking myself,
I'm trying to look. I don't know if you got
you guys, hear more stuff about it than I do
about who's who's next in line or internal?
Speaker 3 (18:21):
Are they looking at internal guys? Internal guys?
Speaker 4 (18:25):
That's really yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
Okay, by the way, well, as.
Speaker 4 (18:30):
Long as it's not the assistant special teams coach.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
You know, it's not going to be Jay Harbaugh's lackey.
It will not be.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
But Andrew Jinoko, past game coordinator, quarterback coach, you know,
guys like that they're talking about.
Speaker 4 (18:43):
Yeah, and and but I think there is a real
I think it's important that whoever comes in, if he's
from the outside, first of all, that he learns what
the offense is. He learns that he's not bringing in
a system. The system is here, right, he has to
learn it. I did to do that in San Francisco
(19:03):
one to forty nine ers, and I think that's the
best thing. The players know what the quarterback knows it.
Now he has to learn it. That's the first thing.
After that, you know the personality of the guy. It's
it's really important who they who they get for this
and if, like you said, if internal that makes sense.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
To me, right, keep it going, man, all right?
Speaker 4 (19:24):
Man?
Speaker 3 (19:24):
Listen great stuff.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
You ever get lonely and you want to hop on
the air and say hello, call us.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
We're always here for you pal.
Speaker 4 (19:31):
All right, Oh that's that's really nice. Thank you. I
appreciate that.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
You bet. We're always thinking about you man and your
mental well being.
Speaker 4 (19:37):
So just if forever need it points better anything informational
phone di donal.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
You want to bet some money on the NBA or
college basketball or whatever.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
Oh, oh, we're here for you. Hey, we won that
Super Bowl coach Seahawks in the under. Absolutely, you didn't
tell you what.
Speaker 4 (19:55):
My daughter Hey, real quick, I tell you what my
daughter Kala did. No, she's the doc her Dave, you
know her. She she shows me and goes, I want
to make a bet on this on the game. I
said you what, she didn't bet? She goes, I go,
how do I do that? I said, you phone one
of these things and look it up. So she plays
to the bet. So she phones me during the game.
(20:16):
She's excited. She goes, Dad, I think I got some here.
I'm going to hit it big. All of a sudden,
Walker scores that touchdown and I hear her screaming over
the phone. She's phoning us from Chicago. She's on the phone. Ah,
and then all said no, she had bet Walker scoring
a touchdown in the game. They took it off the board,
(20:39):
so I said, cal let this be a lesson to you.
Don't gamble.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
That's right, well, but that that would have hit the
over though. If he would have scored on, that would
have lost that. Who are you more concerned about your
daughter or Dick and Dave over here?
Speaker 3 (20:55):
We got to keith her to keep going all about us.
Speaker 4 (20:58):
I'll always side with her. I'm sorry whatever.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
All right, man, great stuff. I love having you on.
You know that, you know how important you are to
this radio station. And we will talk very soon.
Speaker 4 (21:07):
Man, Thanks coach, Thanks guys.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
All right, Mike Homer with us. We're gonna break.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
Nobody really interested in giving Pete Carroll any credit at all.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
I'm nice.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Jackson has started a movement and it's spread to the
Texan guy focus, to the talkback, to social media.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
He is leading the charge. Man, no credit for Pete
Carroll at all. Jackson's patient zero for this roster.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
You ever see the movie Outbreak, By the way, you're
the monkey, that's what you are. Here comes Dustin Hoffman.
We're gonna break more talkbacks on that, and we'll get
to Scott Zolak from the Patriot Radio Crew. Reaction from
Boston at five on ninety three to three KJRFM
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