May 27, 2026 • 21 mins
Dick Fain and Hugh Millen speak to Petros Papadakis about whether the Mariners piggyback is a good idea, the job Dave Roberts is doing in LA, the Seahawks and "running it forward" as well as how sad are Rams fans.
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Speaker 4 (01:22):
Well, you know, Petros, we're you know, we're in the
middle of May, late May. Here we're trying to figure
out the topics of conversation on the radio show. We've
got a baseball team that continuously pisses us off despite
having a pretty good series here against Oakland. We have
a football team attempting to win their second straight Super Bowl.
So we're kind of juggling things, and we've got a
(01:44):
couple of terms I want to run by you. You know,
you ever just have a term in the sports world that,
like a week and a half ago, didn't mean anything
to you, and then it dominates your topic of conversation.
For example, like the tush push was a term that
you had no idea what it was. The fail Mary,
you had no idea what it was until someone came
(02:05):
up with it the night after the Monday night game. Well,
I've got a couple of four of you, yes, exactly,
you you got you got the hang of it. So
we got a couple of terms here in Seattle that
we're talking about agnauseum here at the end of May
and the first one Softy Mayor may not have run
this by you in weeks past, but it's the term piggybacking.
(02:26):
Have you heard the term piggybacking is referred to in
Seattle Mariner parlance?
Speaker 2 (02:32):
No?
Speaker 4 (02:33):
Good, good, Well I will I will fill you in. Well,
you see, the Seattle Mariners.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Have heard the term piggybacking.
Speaker 5 (02:40):
Yes, do you know what? Do you know what it
entails when it comes to baseball?
Speaker 2 (02:44):
No, not when it or specifically the Mariners.
Speaker 5 (02:47):
No, gotcha.
Speaker 4 (02:49):
So evidently this is an old term that was mostly
used in the minor leagues, and this is the first
time we could ever find it being used for the Mariners,
or even in the major leagues for that matter. But
the Mayor have a quote unquote problem. They've got too
many good starting pitchers. So what they've decided to do,
if they is they've decided to take their worst of
(03:09):
their starting pitchers, Luis Castillo. Now that Bryce Miller is
back from injury, They've decided to piggy back the two
and kind of morph them together into one starting pitcher,
one guy into.
Speaker 5 (03:21):
The one guy.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
So so they So they're going back and forth start
after start by their starting Bryce Miller one game and
pitching Luis Castillo the rest of the game. And then
the next time through they start Luis Castillo and they're
and they've got Bryce Miller pitching the rest of the game.
And it's worked out very well. Both pitchers have pitched well.
(03:43):
The problem is they're pissing both pitchers off. Like the
last game, Castillo pitched four incredible innings, Dan Wilson takes
him out before he can get the win, and Bryce
Miller gets the win by goings inning five through nine.
So it's like everybody's ripping on the Mariners, up ripping
on Dan Wilson. What do you think of the whole
piggybacking concept.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
Well, the Dodgers have done the opener thing, yeah, for
a while, you know, not very often, or they'll have
what they call a bullpen game, but they've not made
like two guys. I mean, I guess it could have
been like there were two guys that they would like
to use, one as an opener and then one is
(04:24):
a long man. But certainly not like that with Wilson
and the two starters and upsetting both guys, which is
kind of interesting. I mean, I'm sure that baseball players,
which is the team I cover, the Dodgers, get pissed
off and get angry about their role and this or that.
But it's kind of hard to argue with what Andrew
(04:44):
Friedman or Dave Roberts plans are for you if you're
the Dodgers and you've won back to back world titles
and you got Otani sitting there in the rotation and
you have to accommodate him, and you have to accommodate Yamamoto,
another Japanese pitcher who's used to going on six days rest, so.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
So their struggles are different.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
I guess I've not heard of that pictures getting angry
and showing their anger regarding what the manager is doing
and it being a story. Is it, like, how have
they shown their disdain?
Speaker 4 (05:17):
Luis Castillo went to the dugout after getting pulled out
and slammed his glove onto the you know, onto the
table there or onto the bench there. And and Bryce
Miller after the game was asked you know, in a
very innocuous way, very Mariner's tvsque way to try to
get the most positive response whatsoever, Like Hey, are you
getting kind of used to this? And you know, is
(05:39):
it easier this time? And Bryce's like, no, not really,
and he's like disgusted with the whole situation. So it'll
be just I mean, really, the only remedy for it
is to have one picture really start to suck and
then be be put into the bullpen or have one
of your pictures go down and then you only have
five healthy starters and you got a five man rotation.
(06:00):
But you mentioned Dave Roberts there, and I'm wondering because
we all think that the Mariners, despite the fact that
they've been very lukewarm over the first two months of
the season. That's probably the best term to use to
describe with the Mariners, which.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
Is a disappointment given the way they're finished last year.
Speaker 5 (06:15):
Yes, but they are.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
They are habitually lukewarm in the first two week to
two months of the season. I remember on my birthday
last year, June eleventh, they were one game under five hundred.
So this is just kind of what they do. But
the one thing I'm concerned about is I'm just concerned
about when you have to face like we did John
Schneider in the Alcs last year when you have to
face a Dave Roberts, if in fact you get get
(06:39):
over the hump and get past that Game seven of
the Alcs and get to get to the Dodgers. How
good of a game manager is Dave Roberts or is
he just I don't know why.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
The talent You could be asking anybody, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
I mean, he seems to have the last couple of years,
he seems to have pulled all.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
The right levers.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
And whether that's taking a guy out or putting a
guy in, or finding this guy Will Klein who was
a total unknown who ended up pitching I don't know,
something like three crazy innings in that long game, you know,
different all these different situations. And whether that you think
is Roberts or Andrew Friedman from above or I mean
(07:20):
I think Friedman really is.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
The guy who makes the decisions.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
I mean, somebody made a decision to say goodbye to
their World Series. I mean the guy everybody talks about
Yoshi Yamamoto from last year, but two years ago against
the Yankees. Look what Walker Bueler did for the Dodgers.
I mean, he was he was Yamamoto. He was the
guy coming out of the bullpen. He was the guy
who was a hero and they got rid of him.
(07:44):
You know, he's gone now he's pitching for the Padres.
He flamed out I think in Boston and Philly before that.
So and Chris Taylor, another guy that they gave seventy
million dollars to now he's out of baseball. Freeman pulls
the trigger on these guys and he brings these different
guys in and he is I believe. I don't know
how it's going to work out with the Lakers or
(08:05):
what they're going to do over there because it's the
same ownership essentially, but he's the guy.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
That I think makes it work.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
I think Dave Roberts is a great for whatever role
the manager has in this modern baseball kind of realm
that we live in now with all the different analytics
and different people involved. And of course the Dodgers Friedman
is famous for that from way back at his time
in Tampa Bay. But whatever Dave Roberts does, it works.
(08:35):
It seems, you know, in the moment, with these guys
and their demeanor to get through. I mean, they should
have lost the World Series like three or four times
within centimeters. And yes, there's a certain amount of good
fortune involved, but there's also a certain amount of just
(08:55):
measured even keel Like. We always talk about this when
the Dodgers play the Padre, because the Padres. For the Dodgers,
the Padres are like the Padres. They're fun to play.
They're not their big rival, but they kind of have
been because of just how good they've been in the
last decade or whatever. They've never won a World Series,
(09:16):
and whenever the Dodgers play them, the Padres absolutely lose
their minds. Like John McEnroe, you know, just just they
melt down right, and and the Dodgers, whether they lose
or win or whatever, they seem to just kind of
plod through it and handle it. Because everybody that the
Dodgers play is kind of a big deal, right everybody.
(09:37):
They're They're the team that won the World Series, They're
the team with the payroll. They're coming to LA You're
coming to Dodger Stadium, the Dodgers are coming to your place.
There's gonna be a bunch of Dodger fans in there.
So I feel like they whatever Dave Roberts creates, I
guess it's a long answer, but whatever Dave Roberts creates
is the right demeanor for a team that is playing
(09:58):
from the top right, Well, and so we don't get
a lot of like really disgruntled players because they're trying
to piggyback pitchers if that makes sense.
Speaker 4 (10:07):
Yes, Well it's interesting you can bring up Friedman because
we have the same issue with Jerry Depoto and Softly
and I were actually joking about it yesterday. We were
we were having the top the conversation of how much
actually does come from above and how much does Dan
Wilson actually do in the dugout?
Speaker 5 (10:21):
I mean, is there a bad phone?
Speaker 4 (10:22):
Does Jerry Depoto called Dan Wilson and say you're gonna
pinch it Rob Refsnyder for Luke Rayley right now in
the sixth inning?
Speaker 5 (10:29):
I mean does I mean what happened?
Speaker 4 (10:31):
Like, how much do you think general managers have the
power to dictate what happens in an individual baseball game
in twenty twenty six?
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Well, yeah, I think there's a lot of gray area, right.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
I mean, none of us are ever able to get
that answer, no matter how many interviews we do. Hat
you know, they don't really Well, it's a collaboration and
we have an idea and then I do this, and
then I'm on.
Speaker 4 (10:56):
And we'll hear the same thing. Well, we have meetings, Okay,
were those meetings? What are said in those meetings?
Speaker 2 (11:01):
Right?
Speaker 3 (11:01):
Yeah, it's uh and and to a certain degree, they
they are they should be permitted their privacy or their
process or whatever you want to say. But yeah, I
think it's modern baseball and they're not gonna tell you
how they make it.
Speaker 4 (11:19):
Well, you know it's we brought up the term piggyback.
I got another term for you as we switched topics
to the Seahawks. So we had the first first conversation
with Mike McDonald as OTAs are opening up over there
at Renton, and he said, you know, we're not gonna
we're not using the term run it back. We're using
the term run it forward. So they're gonna they're not
(11:40):
looking back at anything. Petros, So tell you what's your
take on run it forward? Is that a dicky little
term created by the Seahawks or do you kind of
think it's uh, you kind of think it's cool.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
Yeah, you know, I mean none of that stuff really matters.
Two weeks into the season, right and somebody gets hurt
you know. I mean it's I remember three peat for
Pete Carroll, like three Pete and one of them was
an AP championship, one of them was a BCS championship,
and then the third one they lost to Texas. So
you didn't get the three peat, you know, And but
(12:15):
Steve people still talk about And then some people said, well,
it's really just one peat.
Speaker 5 (12:19):
Yeah, yeah, we had one Pete here in Seattle, Tea.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
Yeah, you know.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
I mean, it's all it's all marketing. And I mean,
are you marketing to your players? You know, maybe if
they're young, but when you're an NFL team, you were
around those teams, you know what it's like. I don't
think a marketing slogan really helps or hurts. It's just
kind of a more of a I mean, when we
have corporate like I had all day, We've been doing
(12:47):
this corporation la radio cluster stuff, right.
Speaker 5 (12:50):
That sounds fun.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
Well, it's the biggest cluster in the world, biggest radio
company in the world, and the biggest cluster in the
radio company and all that, and this is how much
revenue we have and where this and where.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
That and blah blah blah, you.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
Know, and and and they use their slogans and they
say this and our.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
Talent is our gold mine and all this stuff.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
Now, I mean, when it when it gets down to
the nuts and bolts of us actually doing the job,
what it does?
Speaker 2 (13:16):
You know? What does it matter? No? You know? And
I think you know, to a certain degree.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
That's the same way football is when it gets down
to the nuts and bolts of doing it. But I mean,
it's always good to be you know, everybody's under the
same flag or banner going into the season.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
That's fine.
Speaker 4 (13:32):
I kind of feel like if it was the Niners
that the Hawks took out instead of the Rams last
year in the NFC Championship, there would just be this
ferocity coming out of the Bay Area, just like frothing
at the mouth to get the Seahawks back, kind of
like you know, back in twenty thirteen when we beat
them in the NFC Championship game.
Speaker 5 (13:52):
Is there any of that in la is it?
Speaker 4 (13:54):
Can you find a Rams fan that's like, this is
this year is our year.
Speaker 5 (13:59):
We're gonna get those rat bastard Seahawks?
Speaker 3 (14:02):
I know, I mean they started a new I don't
know there's Ram fans, you know, And of course they're NFL.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
NFL fans are passionate.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
They're more kind of like the WWE people, I think,
than a lot of other sports, right.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
And we have, of course, a great deal of Raider
fans in town, plenty, probably more Cowboy fans. And there
are RAM fans and Charger fans. Wow, there are Ram fans,
and there are Charger fans, and the certain certainly the
NFL enjoys having LA as a hub.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
So I guess it's all working out. But no, I don't.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
They just started a new radio station in town, a
new sports station, right, and uh, they hired some guy.
I don't even know who the guy is. And the guy,
like many of the people, which is probably not going
to work out, are transplants into Los Angeles talking to
people who live in Los Angeles about LA sports. And
(14:55):
the guy said, you know, five years ago, I was
here for the Rams Super Bowl, you know, the one
after COVID or whatever.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
And I was here for the Rams And this is
his origin story in LA.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
And he was like, I was here for the Rams
Super Bowl and they won and it was just such
a great party. And I was walking around Englewood and
everybody was partying and I was like, you know what,
this is a great town.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
I just I want to be here. I'm gonna come
back here.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
And like I'm thinking, and everybody I've told that story too,
Like I heard this guy saying that it's like the
hell are you talking about? Like nobody in Inglewood cares
that the Rams won the Super Bowl. There was nobody
there that's a Ram fan. They're all just corporate. It's
a freaking super Bowl game. After COVID. There was no
partying in the streets. There were even if there even
if they won the Super Bowl last year, which they
very well could have obviously, there would have been no partying.
(15:42):
You know, there might have been some, but it's not
like the Dodgers winning or the Lakers, the Dodgers being
much bigger than the Lakers now, but it just it doesn't.
There's just not that. But the NFL play the Rams
in this town is not a play for us gray
haired types, you know, it's a play for our kids,
(16:04):
right and our kids' kids. So they don't care. You know,
if they win the Super Bowl and only ten thousand
people show up for their parade, it's no sweat off
their balls.
Speaker 5 (16:12):
Well I'm looking at you know, the one thing we did.
Speaker 4 (16:14):
You know, we covered the schedule release a nauseum as
I'm sure you don't. No, I can't, yes, but most people,
but most of your talk shows did, right, I mean,
that was what that was what was driving that week
on talk radio. And I looked at the Rams schedule
and you can either confirm this or tell me I'm nuts.
But I went on the air and I said, I
(16:35):
don't think the Rams will play in front of majority
RAMS crowd from the bye week on. And I'll give
you the games. They play home games against Green Bay
and Kansas City. Well, they have the home field advantage
in either one of those games, probably not, Okay. Then
they go at San francisc.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
Aero they do a better home field advantage than the Chargers, Okay,
all right or not?
Speaker 2 (17:00):
I mean, and I'm not you know, I'm not there
that much.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
And it's so loud with the rock music in the
screening you can't really tell who's rooting for who.
Speaker 4 (17:07):
Anyway, Well, I'm just looking at the teams now ahead, Yes,
Green Bay, Kansas City coming in. Then they go out
San Francisco, obviously they'll have nobody there. Then they then
they have Dallas at home, and you say yourself that
there's probably more Cowboy fans than Ram fans.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
In a way, that'll be a hot ticket.
Speaker 4 (17:23):
At Seattle and then at Tampa Bay and then home
against the Seahawks.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
And I don't know.
Speaker 4 (17:28):
I mean, I haven't been to a Seahawks game in LA,
but there there's got to be close to as many
Seahawks fans in LA than there isn't is RAM.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
Fans, probably not, but you know, maybe I don't know,
Uh yeah, I mean it's but they I mean, you know,
they kind of play through. It's the same way when
the Raiders play, because everybody wants to come to Las Vegas,
right and there you certainly can't say that there's no
Raider fans, you know what I mean. But they'll sell
their tickets and and suddenly it's filled with with something else.
(18:00):
But you're right, I mean, it's an issue. Matt Stafford's
very annoying wife complains about it all the time. And
I mean, but part of it is the fact that
we are a city of transplants, and there is no
like people who have had Steelers tickets in their family
for generations. You know, when it comes to the Rams
(18:21):
and the Chargers, and a lot of very rich people
own the tickets and corporations and different law firms and
stuff like that, and those tickets end up in kind.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Of anybody's hands, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
So you have your Ram fans, but then you also
have the they have a proclivity to want to sell
their tickets to make money, and then you have the
whole corporate element of it. And I think it will
be probably a generation maybe not, maybe it'll still because
I kind of remember it being like that on the
coliseum in Anaheim too. I mean, people would come because
(18:54):
it's LA and it's a West coast destination. People come
from all over over and support their team. Now, it
was a little different wearing a Broncos jersey in the
LA Coliseum back when the Raiders are playing.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
Yes, it could be dangerous.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
Stab it could be stabbed or splattered all over the place.
It's South central LA. I'm seriously right, but uh but yeah,
you know, I mean, your questions are making me think
about it, and uh, you're right, But that's something that
the Rams complain about.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
The Chargers.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
People complain about the Chargers people complained about in San Diego.
You know when they were down there, they certainly had
a big following down there. It's something Raider people complain about.
You know, I don't think it happens in places like
Seattle where the ticket is such a hot ticket and
the twelves thing and the stupid drum and all that.
Speaker 4 (19:41):
But it's called sound. The sound wave is the it's
a blue thunder. Blue thunder is the Seahawks drum line.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
Yeah, I just and you know, I mean, I don't
think you see it happening really at Laker games or
Dodger games, you know, or even Clipper games. It's like
all this place is really filled with you know, maybe
Laker fans, but not like you know, OKC fans, Like
you know, all these teams have their fan bases and
their support, but the NFL football and the NFL football
(20:11):
ticket and the color of like red when the Niners
play there. You're right, like it's a story and it
is kind of an interesting phenomenon.
Speaker 4 (20:20):
Well, before I let you go, since you brought her up,
what did our friend Kelly Stafford think about Tys Simpson
getting drafted by the Rams in the first round?
Speaker 2 (20:27):
You think I think she called him and was like congrata.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
That's what she He said that she called it really yeah,
which is kind of weird, like, well, you know, I
don't think I think they.
Speaker 5 (20:40):
She likes to get pissed.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
Yeah, she complained about people calling him Matt Stafford and
not Matthew and different things like that. But uh yeah,
she's a she's a treat. She she's uh, she just
I would keep playing forever. If I were him, I
would would not want to go home. You know, my
wife's lovely and I still don't want to come home.
Too many, too many issues here. But but I'll tell
(21:04):
you that that Kelly Stafford is something else.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
I love it. But they seem happy. You know. He
just signed his big extension.
Speaker 5 (21:09):
Yeah, you got plenty plenty more money coming.
Speaker 4 (21:12):
Well, when you talk to Softie next week, you can
talk about piggybacking and running it forward, all right, He'll
you'll be you'll be hip with him.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
He'll we're not going to run it back. We're going
to run it fo Okay, Couch, thanks, thanks man, We're
gonna run it sideways.
Speaker 5 (21:28):
Talk to you next week.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
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Speaker 4 (01:22):
Well, you know, Petros, we're you know, we're in the
middle of May, late May. Here we're trying to figure
out the topics of conversation on the radio show. We've
got a baseball team that continuously pisses us off despite
having a pretty good series here against Oakland. We have
a football team attempting to win their second straight Super Bowl.
So we're kind of juggling things, and we've got a
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couple of terms I want to run by you. You know,
you ever just have a term in the sports world that,
like a week and a half ago, didn't mean anything
to you, and then it dominates your topic of conversation.
For example, like the tush push was a term that
you had no idea what it was. The fail Mary,
you had no idea what it was until someone came
(02:05):
up with it the night after the Monday night game. Well,
I've got a couple of four of you, yes, exactly,
you you got you got the hang of it. So
we got a couple of terms here in Seattle that
we're talking about agnauseum here at the end of May
and the first one Softy Mayor may not have run
this by you in weeks past, but it's the term piggybacking.
(02:26):
Have you heard the term piggybacking is referred to in
Seattle Mariner parlance?
Speaker 2 (02:32):
No?
Speaker 4 (02:33):
Good, good, Well I will I will fill you in. Well,
you see, the Seattle Mariners.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Have heard the term piggybacking.
Speaker 5 (02:40):
Yes, do you know what? Do you know what it
entails when it comes to baseball?
Speaker 2 (02:44):
No, not when it or specifically the Mariners.
Speaker 5 (02:47):
No, gotcha.
Speaker 4 (02:49):
So evidently this is an old term that was mostly
used in the minor leagues, and this is the first
time we could ever find it being used for the Mariners,
or even in the major leagues for that matter. But
the Mayor have a quote unquote problem. They've got too
many good starting pitchers. So what they've decided to do,
if they is they've decided to take their worst of
(03:09):
their starting pitchers, Luis Castillo. Now that Bryce Miller is
back from injury, They've decided to piggy back the two
and kind of morph them together into one starting pitcher,
one guy into.
Speaker 5 (03:21):
The one guy.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
So so they So they're going back and forth start
after start by their starting Bryce Miller one game and
pitching Luis Castillo the rest of the game. And then
the next time through they start Luis Castillo and they're
and they've got Bryce Miller pitching the rest of the game.
And it's worked out very well. Both pitchers have pitched well.
(03:43):
The problem is they're pissing both pitchers off. Like the
last game, Castillo pitched four incredible innings, Dan Wilson takes
him out before he can get the win, and Bryce
Miller gets the win by goings inning five through nine.
So it's like everybody's ripping on the Mariners, up ripping
on Dan Wilson. What do you think of the whole
piggybacking concept.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
Well, the Dodgers have done the opener thing, yeah, for
a while, you know, not very often, or they'll have
what they call a bullpen game, but they've not made
like two guys. I mean, I guess it could have
been like there were two guys that they would like
to use, one as an opener and then one is
(04:24):
a long man. But certainly not like that with Wilson
and the two starters and upsetting both guys, which is
kind of interesting. I mean, I'm sure that baseball players,
which is the team I cover, the Dodgers, get pissed
off and get angry about their role and this or that.
But it's kind of hard to argue with what Andrew
(04:44):
Friedman or Dave Roberts plans are for you if you're
the Dodgers and you've won back to back world titles
and you got Otani sitting there in the rotation and
you have to accommodate him, and you have to accommodate Yamamoto,
another Japanese pitcher who's used to going on six days rest, so.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
So their struggles are different.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
I guess I've not heard of that pictures getting angry
and showing their anger regarding what the manager is doing
and it being a story. Is it, like, how have
they shown their disdain?
Speaker 4 (05:17):
Luis Castillo went to the dugout after getting pulled out
and slammed his glove onto the you know, onto the
table there or onto the bench there. And and Bryce
Miller after the game was asked you know, in a
very innocuous way, very Mariner's tvsque way to try to
get the most positive response whatsoever, Like Hey, are you
getting kind of used to this? And you know, is
(05:39):
it easier this time? And Bryce's like, no, not really,
and he's like disgusted with the whole situation. So it'll
be just I mean, really, the only remedy for it
is to have one picture really start to suck and
then be be put into the bullpen or have one
of your pictures go down and then you only have
five healthy starters and you got a five man rotation.
(06:00):
But you mentioned Dave Roberts there, and I'm wondering because
we all think that the Mariners, despite the fact that
they've been very lukewarm over the first two months of
the season. That's probably the best term to use to
describe with the Mariners, which.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
Is a disappointment given the way they're finished last year.
Speaker 5 (06:15):
Yes, but they are.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
They are habitually lukewarm in the first two week to
two months of the season. I remember on my birthday
last year, June eleventh, they were one game under five hundred.
So this is just kind of what they do. But
the one thing I'm concerned about is I'm just concerned
about when you have to face like we did John
Schneider in the Alcs last year when you have to
face a Dave Roberts, if in fact you get get
(06:39):
over the hump and get past that Game seven of
the Alcs and get to get to the Dodgers. How
good of a game manager is Dave Roberts or is
he just I don't know why.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
The talent You could be asking anybody, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
I mean, he seems to have the last couple of years,
he seems to have pulled all.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
The right levers.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
And whether that's taking a guy out or putting a
guy in, or finding this guy Will Klein who was
a total unknown who ended up pitching I don't know,
something like three crazy innings in that long game, you know,
different all these different situations. And whether that you think
is Roberts or Andrew Friedman from above or I mean
(07:20):
I think Friedman really is.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
The guy who makes the decisions.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
I mean, somebody made a decision to say goodbye to
their World Series. I mean the guy everybody talks about
Yoshi Yamamoto from last year, but two years ago against
the Yankees. Look what Walker Bueler did for the Dodgers.
I mean, he was he was Yamamoto. He was the
guy coming out of the bullpen. He was the guy
who was a hero and they got rid of him.
(07:44):
You know, he's gone now he's pitching for the Padres.
He flamed out I think in Boston and Philly before that.
So and Chris Taylor, another guy that they gave seventy
million dollars to now he's out of baseball. Freeman pulls
the trigger on these guys and he brings these different
guys in and he is I believe. I don't know
how it's going to work out with the Lakers or
(08:05):
what they're going to do over there because it's the
same ownership essentially, but he's the guy.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
That I think makes it work.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
I think Dave Roberts is a great for whatever role
the manager has in this modern baseball kind of realm
that we live in now with all the different analytics
and different people involved. And of course the Dodgers Friedman
is famous for that from way back at his time
in Tampa Bay. But whatever Dave Roberts does, it works.
(08:35):
It seems, you know, in the moment, with these guys
and their demeanor to get through. I mean, they should
have lost the World Series like three or four times
within centimeters. And yes, there's a certain amount of good
fortune involved, but there's also a certain amount of just
(08:55):
measured even keel Like. We always talk about this when
the Dodgers play the Padre, because the Padres. For the Dodgers,
the Padres are like the Padres. They're fun to play.
They're not their big rival, but they kind of have
been because of just how good they've been in the
last decade or whatever. They've never won a World Series,
(09:16):
and whenever the Dodgers play them, the Padres absolutely lose
their minds. Like John McEnroe, you know, just just they
melt down right, and and the Dodgers, whether they lose
or win or whatever, they seem to just kind of
plod through it and handle it. Because everybody that the
Dodgers play is kind of a big deal, right everybody.
(09:37):
They're They're the team that won the World Series, They're
the team with the payroll. They're coming to LA You're
coming to Dodger Stadium, the Dodgers are coming to your place.
There's gonna be a bunch of Dodger fans in there.
So I feel like they whatever Dave Roberts creates, I
guess it's a long answer, but whatever Dave Roberts creates
is the right demeanor for a team that is playing
(09:58):
from the top right, Well, and so we don't get
a lot of like really disgruntled players because they're trying
to piggyback pitchers if that makes sense.
Speaker 4 (10:07):
Yes, Well it's interesting you can bring up Friedman because
we have the same issue with Jerry Depoto and Softly
and I were actually joking about it yesterday. We were
we were having the top the conversation of how much
actually does come from above and how much does Dan
Wilson actually do in the dugout?
Speaker 5 (10:21):
I mean, is there a bad phone?
Speaker 4 (10:22):
Does Jerry Depoto called Dan Wilson and say you're gonna
pinch it Rob Refsnyder for Luke Rayley right now in
the sixth inning?
Speaker 5 (10:29):
I mean does I mean what happened?
Speaker 4 (10:31):
Like, how much do you think general managers have the
power to dictate what happens in an individual baseball game
in twenty twenty six?
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Well, yeah, I think there's a lot of gray area, right.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
I mean, none of us are ever able to get
that answer, no matter how many interviews we do. Hat
you know, they don't really Well, it's a collaboration and
we have an idea and then I do this, and
then I'm on.
Speaker 4 (10:56):
And we'll hear the same thing. Well, we have meetings, Okay,
were those meetings? What are said in those meetings?
Speaker 2 (11:01):
Right?
Speaker 3 (11:01):
Yeah, it's uh and and to a certain degree, they
they are they should be permitted their privacy or their
process or whatever you want to say. But yeah, I
think it's modern baseball and they're not gonna tell you
how they make it.
Speaker 4 (11:19):
Well, you know it's we brought up the term piggyback.
I got another term for you as we switched topics
to the Seahawks. So we had the first first conversation
with Mike McDonald as OTAs are opening up over there
at Renton, and he said, you know, we're not gonna
we're not using the term run it back. We're using
the term run it forward. So they're gonna they're not
(11:40):
looking back at anything. Petros, So tell you what's your
take on run it forward? Is that a dicky little
term created by the Seahawks or do you kind of
think it's uh, you kind of think it's cool.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
Yeah, you know, I mean none of that stuff really matters.
Two weeks into the season, right and somebody gets hurt
you know. I mean it's I remember three peat for
Pete Carroll, like three Pete and one of them was
an AP championship, one of them was a BCS championship,
and then the third one they lost to Texas. So
you didn't get the three peat, you know, And but
(12:15):
Steve people still talk about And then some people said, well,
it's really just one peat.
Speaker 5 (12:19):
Yeah, yeah, we had one Pete here in Seattle, Tea.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
Yeah, you know.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
I mean, it's all it's all marketing. And I mean,
are you marketing to your players? You know, maybe if
they're young, but when you're an NFL team, you were
around those teams, you know what it's like. I don't
think a marketing slogan really helps or hurts. It's just
kind of a more of a I mean, when we
have corporate like I had all day, We've been doing
(12:47):
this corporation la radio cluster stuff, right.
Speaker 5 (12:50):
That sounds fun.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
Well, it's the biggest cluster in the world, biggest radio
company in the world, and the biggest cluster in the
radio company and all that, and this is how much
revenue we have and where this and where.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
That and blah blah blah, you.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
Know, and and and they use their slogans and they
say this and our.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
Talent is our gold mine and all this stuff.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
Now, I mean, when it when it gets down to
the nuts and bolts of us actually doing the job,
what it does?
Speaker 2 (13:16):
You know? What does it matter? No? You know? And
I think you know, to a certain degree.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
That's the same way football is when it gets down
to the nuts and bolts of doing it. But I mean,
it's always good to be you know, everybody's under the
same flag or banner going into the season.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
That's fine.
Speaker 4 (13:32):
I kind of feel like if it was the Niners
that the Hawks took out instead of the Rams last
year in the NFC Championship, there would just be this
ferocity coming out of the Bay Area, just like frothing
at the mouth to get the Seahawks back, kind of
like you know, back in twenty thirteen when we beat
them in the NFC Championship game.
Speaker 5 (13:52):
Is there any of that in la is it?
Speaker 4 (13:54):
Can you find a Rams fan that's like, this is
this year is our year.
Speaker 5 (13:59):
We're gonna get those rat bastard Seahawks?
Speaker 3 (14:02):
I know, I mean they started a new I don't
know there's Ram fans, you know, And of course they're NFL.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
NFL fans are passionate.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
They're more kind of like the WWE people, I think,
than a lot of other sports, right.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
And we have, of course, a great deal of Raider
fans in town, plenty, probably more Cowboy fans. And there
are RAM fans and Charger fans. Wow, there are Ram fans,
and there are Charger fans, and the certain certainly the
NFL enjoys having LA as a hub.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
So I guess it's all working out. But no, I don't.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
They just started a new radio station in town, a
new sports station, right, and uh, they hired some guy.
I don't even know who the guy is. And the guy,
like many of the people, which is probably not going
to work out, are transplants into Los Angeles talking to
people who live in Los Angeles about LA sports. And
(14:55):
the guy said, you know, five years ago, I was
here for the Rams Super Bowl, you know, the one
after COVID or whatever.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
And I was here for the Rams And this is
his origin story in LA.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
And he was like, I was here for the Rams
Super Bowl and they won and it was just such
a great party. And I was walking around Englewood and
everybody was partying and I was like, you know what,
this is a great town.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
I just I want to be here. I'm gonna come
back here.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
And like I'm thinking, and everybody I've told that story too,
Like I heard this guy saying that it's like the
hell are you talking about? Like nobody in Inglewood cares
that the Rams won the Super Bowl. There was nobody
there that's a Ram fan. They're all just corporate. It's
a freaking super Bowl game. After COVID. There was no
partying in the streets. There were even if there even
if they won the Super Bowl last year, which they
very well could have obviously, there would have been no partying.
(15:42):
You know, there might have been some, but it's not
like the Dodgers winning or the Lakers, the Dodgers being
much bigger than the Lakers now, but it just it doesn't.
There's just not that. But the NFL play the Rams
in this town is not a play for us gray
haired types, you know, it's a play for our kids,
(16:04):
right and our kids' kids. So they don't care. You know,
if they win the Super Bowl and only ten thousand
people show up for their parade, it's no sweat off
their balls.
Speaker 5 (16:12):
Well I'm looking at you know, the one thing we did.
Speaker 4 (16:14):
You know, we covered the schedule release a nauseum as
I'm sure you don't. No, I can't, yes, but most people,
but most of your talk shows did, right, I mean,
that was what that was what was driving that week
on talk radio. And I looked at the Rams schedule
and you can either confirm this or tell me I'm nuts.
But I went on the air and I said, I
(16:35):
don't think the Rams will play in front of majority
RAMS crowd from the bye week on. And I'll give
you the games. They play home games against Green Bay
and Kansas City. Well, they have the home field advantage
in either one of those games, probably not, Okay. Then
they go at San francisc.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
Aero they do a better home field advantage than the Chargers, Okay,
all right or not?
Speaker 2 (17:00):
I mean, and I'm not you know, I'm not there
that much.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
And it's so loud with the rock music in the
screening you can't really tell who's rooting for who.
Speaker 4 (17:07):
Anyway, Well, I'm just looking at the teams now ahead, Yes,
Green Bay, Kansas City coming in. Then they go out
San Francisco, obviously they'll have nobody there. Then they then
they have Dallas at home, and you say yourself that
there's probably more Cowboy fans than Ram fans.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
In a way, that'll be a hot ticket.
Speaker 4 (17:23):
At Seattle and then at Tampa Bay and then home
against the Seahawks.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
And I don't know.
Speaker 4 (17:28):
I mean, I haven't been to a Seahawks game in LA,
but there there's got to be close to as many
Seahawks fans in LA than there isn't is RAM.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
Fans, probably not, but you know, maybe I don't know,
Uh yeah, I mean it's but they I mean, you know,
they kind of play through. It's the same way when
the Raiders play, because everybody wants to come to Las Vegas,
right and there you certainly can't say that there's no
Raider fans, you know what I mean. But they'll sell
their tickets and and suddenly it's filled with with something else.
(18:00):
But you're right, I mean, it's an issue. Matt Stafford's
very annoying wife complains about it all the time. And
I mean, but part of it is the fact that
we are a city of transplants, and there is no
like people who have had Steelers tickets in their family
for generations. You know, when it comes to the Rams
(18:21):
and the Chargers, and a lot of very rich people
own the tickets and corporations and different law firms and
stuff like that, and those tickets end up in kind.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Of anybody's hands, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
So you have your Ram fans, but then you also
have the they have a proclivity to want to sell
their tickets to make money, and then you have the
whole corporate element of it. And I think it will
be probably a generation maybe not, maybe it'll still because
I kind of remember it being like that on the
coliseum in Anaheim too. I mean, people would come because
(18:54):
it's LA and it's a West coast destination. People come
from all over over and support their team. Now, it
was a little different wearing a Broncos jersey in the
LA Coliseum back when the Raiders are playing.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
Yes, it could be dangerous.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
Stab it could be stabbed or splattered all over the place.
It's South central LA. I'm seriously right, but uh but yeah,
you know, I mean, your questions are making me think
about it, and uh, you're right, But that's something that
the Rams complain about.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
The Chargers.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
People complain about the Chargers people complained about in San Diego.
You know when they were down there, they certainly had
a big following down there. It's something Raider people complain about.
You know, I don't think it happens in places like
Seattle where the ticket is such a hot ticket and
the twelves thing and the stupid drum and all that.
Speaker 4 (19:41):
But it's called sound. The sound wave is the it's
a blue thunder. Blue thunder is the Seahawks drum line.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
Yeah, I just and you know, I mean, I don't
think you see it happening really at Laker games or
Dodger games, you know, or even Clipper games. It's like
all this place is really filled with you know, maybe
Laker fans, but not like you know, OKC fans, Like
you know, all these teams have their fan bases and
their support, but the NFL football and the NFL football
(20:11):
ticket and the color of like red when the Niners
play there. You're right, like it's a story and it
is kind of an interesting phenomenon.
Speaker 4 (20:20):
Well, before I let you go, since you brought her up,
what did our friend Kelly Stafford think about Tys Simpson
getting drafted by the Rams in the first round?
Speaker 2 (20:27):
You think I think she called him and was like congrata.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
That's what she He said that she called it really yeah,
which is kind of weird, like, well, you know, I
don't think I think they.
Speaker 5 (20:40):
She likes to get pissed.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
Yeah, she complained about people calling him Matt Stafford and
not Matthew and different things like that. But uh yeah,
she's a she's a treat. She she's uh, she just
I would keep playing forever. If I were him, I
would would not want to go home. You know, my
wife's lovely and I still don't want to come home.
Too many, too many issues here. But but I'll tell
(21:04):
you that that Kelly Stafford is something else.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
I love it. But they seem happy. You know. He
just signed his big extension.
Speaker 5 (21:09):
Yeah, you got plenty plenty more money coming.
Speaker 4 (21:12):
Well, when you talk to Softie next week, you can
talk about piggybacking and running it forward, all right, He'll
you'll be you'll be hip with him.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
He'll we're not going to run it back. We're going
to run it fo Okay, Couch, thanks, thanks man, We're
gonna run it sideways.
Speaker 5 (21:28):
Talk to you next week.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Man.
Speaker 5 (21:29):
Oh, Petro's Papadakis more. You breed love millon joining us
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