Furness Show 1-28: Hugh Millen, John Lund, Jimmy Rodgers Reaction, Football Fatigue?

Mariners are gaslighting us, Kraken lose.   Reaction to Jimmy rodgers with Ian yesterday.   Is football fatigue real?   Hugh Millen joins the show to talk about the joke that is pro bowls, and he breaks down the new Seahawks OC Klint Kubiak.   How will Hugh Millen expect Ken Walker to feature in this offense?   Is this a good fit at OC for Geno Smith?   John Lund of John Lund unleashed joins the show to give the perspective from the Bay Area of the Chiefs, the hiring of Pete Carroll and more.   Softy joins for cross talk

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
So here's what we got coming up. We're gonna do uh.
He was going to join us in an hour and
we'll talk clink. He's now had time to go through
the Clint Kubiak offense. I I was not. We We've
got the Greg Bells of the world, others that want
to you know, all everyone's all up in arms, every guy,

(00:21):
Corbin Smith, Brady Henderson, Hawk blogger, all these guys like
the whole process when they're looking for offensive coordinators, breaking
down the tape of guys that you know that could
potentially come here and what their offense looks like. Call
me the bad talk show host. I don't care. Just
when the guy gets hired, let me know. And when
the guy gets hired, I'll call Hugh. That's that's that's

(00:44):
kind of how I that's my thinking. I don't need
to worry about a guy that they will not hire.
It's not like the draft. The draft is fun. The
draft is fun. Here's the thing with the draft, Like
we can talk and speculate and guess poay, be fun
to have this guy here because we've seen him play.

Speaker 2 (01:02):
He might be available at this pick.

Speaker 1 (01:04):
Right, And a lot of those guys, especially the first
round guys. We've watched them play and and you know.

Speaker 2 (01:10):
We've read about him. It's like, yeah, there's a.

Speaker 1 (01:12):
An offensive coordinator, a coach that's not your head coach. No, man,
just let me know when he wake me up. When
he's hired, I'll call Hugh. He will do the heavy lifting.
He's going to look at the tape, which he has
probably every I'm gonna guess I'm gonna hear he's watched
every snap this guy's called plays for, which is why
we have Hugh, not for Ian to do it, because

(01:35):
I'm not capable, qualified, or understanding.

Speaker 2 (01:38):
We have Hugh. So he's gonna come on at one
o'clock and we'll talk about it.

Speaker 1 (01:42):
I did mention to him, and we'll play some audio
from Jimmy Rodgers, who was in study yesterday was his
new head football coach, and the next segment, I'm I'm
just curious where football is going, and we talked I
talked to Jimmy a little bit off the year yesterday too.
You know, he comes from a whirld that seven on
seven which just has taken over the West coast and

(02:07):
the southeast part of the country, the Midwest not as
much he said. He was telling me off the air,
he goes, yeah, seven on something is just not a
big deal in the Midwest. Out here, it's huge and
it feels like it translates directly to what we see
on the field in college at least with you know,
the air raid offenses, the spread off all this pass

(02:30):
heavy offenses. Well, I think we just watched the National
championship game with two teams that did not rely on
the quarterback's arm. They relied on defense and a strong
running game. You know, Notre Dame's running back is a
year away from the draft, but he's an absolute stud.
And Ohio State had two dudes that were absolute studs.

(02:53):
Will Howard made throws and he had great receivers, but
that's not who they were. And Notre Dame, Riley Leonard
camp throw.

Speaker 3 (03:00):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (03:00):
So, like, are we seeing a trend? And I'm gonna
ask you about that. Are we seeing a trend? Are
we you know what really is most effective? There's a
lot of us that are Wazoo fans that will will
tell you. And when Mike Leach got hired, it wasn't oh,
it wasn't oh and eleven eight Huskies bad with Tyrone

(03:26):
you know what, outside of the record it was, I'd
be lying to myself if I said that outside of
the record it was. We didn't have the losing season,
but it was awful. So when they hired Mike Leach
and and he had this air raid offense that had
put up massive numbers at Texas Tech, everyone's excited because
one of the things that the air raid always seemed

(03:48):
to be was kind of a cure all like you
could come in and flip the script.

Speaker 2 (03:51):
Quick, especially at that time.

Speaker 1 (03:53):
At that time, yes, because you could find wide receivers.
Every wide receiver wanted to be you know, you wanted
full the ball seventy five times a game. You could
get receivers that normally wouldn't come to your smaller school
because they knew they didn't see the ball, and quarterbacks
wod want to come.

Speaker 2 (04:06):
All those things.

Speaker 1 (04:07):
The reality of the air raid is that and kind
of offenses of that ilk the pass is that if
you know, first of all, weather is a factor one
hundred percent. Weather is a factor, and it's not just
snow or cold. Hugh used to work for for Boden,

(04:30):
that company makes balls stuff, and he had data on
it that was still it sticks with me this day.
A slightly damp ball, an ounce or too heavier changes
the trajectory, spin rate, all those things at a massive rate.
It changes everything. And so like, if you're doing it

(04:51):
in a warm weather city, sure that probably is fine.
Pullman not so much maybe, But it worked for Mike
and Leech had the most successful you know, decade plus
run of any coach, and I include Mike Price and
that even though Price went to two Rose Bulls, but
Leeches overall, you know, winning records, bowl games, all that stuff.

Speaker 2 (05:10):
Was probably better.

Speaker 1 (05:11):
But there's a lot of us WHI always watching that
going boy, you know, first and goal at the one.
It'd be nice to go under center and score and
not have it second and goal from the seven because
your quarterback got sacked in a shotgun, you know, and
the gout blitzing on a shotgun or something because now
you have a condemned space. But what Rogers said yesterday
was interesting was like, yeah, I guess it's the hard
thing with that type of offense is that, you know,

(05:37):
first of all, it's fast paced, a lot of time,
no huddle, in complete pass second and ten and complete
pass second, third and ten and complete past and boom
and next thing, you know, your defense is right back
on the field.

Speaker 4 (05:47):
It.

Speaker 1 (05:47):
I mean, it's one thing if you score quick, your
defense goes back in the field. Well maybe they got
a little juice and they're excited and it's fine. Like
I mean, if you have Sakwon Barkley, Philadelphia's defense probably
has to deal with.

Speaker 2 (05:57):
That a lot. Yeah, although sixty yard rounds on the field,
but at least you're up seven nothing.

Speaker 1 (06:03):
Yeah, your team can goes three and out. I wonder
what if football is changing in that regard. I am
curious about that a little bit. You know, I think
kind of depends where you are. I mean, he's gonna
but Jimmy Rodgers is gonna go to Wazuo. It's more
of a Midwest feel for how he's going to construct
his offense.

Speaker 2 (06:19):
Something.

Speaker 1 (06:20):
They won't throw it. They love zeb k House. They
think they can throw it. They've got some good receivers.
A couple of guys that were in the portal came
out of the portal that they'll be all right. But
it feels like boys, sometimes you just can't throw the football,
like for whatever reason, and maybe you just need maybe
a little more base now finding offensive Linement's hard, but
he talked about that as well. We'll hear a little

(06:40):
bit him from him coming up in a second. After
we do that and we discuss it, I want to
bring up a little bit of a topic that we
can get some texts and maybe some talkbacks as well.
On I saw a term today that I had never seen,
football fatigue. Football fatigue. I'll explain it about twelve thirty today,

(07:01):
but it was called football fatigue, and it jumped out
at me and I almost think for me, I'm almost
in that mode.

Speaker 2 (07:07):
But I'll explain exactly what it is.

Speaker 1 (07:09):
It may not be exactly what you think it is,
but we'll talk about that. It had to do with
some of the things in terms of what we're watching
and seeing and some of the numbers playing out, So
we'll touching on that as well. Humiling at one two
o'clock today, we're gonna start doing this every week. John
Lenn's gonna join us. Used to be at Canby Are
in the Bay Are. He's still in the Berry's doing

(07:29):
his own thing called John London Leash. A bunch of
those guys down there are doing the kind of their
own thing right now. And I'm a fan and Andrews.

Speaker 2 (07:37):
You know this.

Speaker 1 (07:38):
I'm a fan in sports radio. I like just to
have conversations with people, whether it's you and me or you,
me and Jess. You meet the listeners or guests that
I can just have a conversation with. Honestly, That's why
I like having a Hue one I sawking to Hugh earlier,
because how long we think we're gonna go?

Speaker 4 (07:54):
I go?

Speaker 2 (07:55):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (07:56):
I mean, when you and I start talking, it ends
up going a long time. Could be one segment, could
be two segments, could be a whole damn hour. I
don't know, right, That's just the way it is, which
I love with you. I left on conversations. Lund's one
of those guys. John Lund and I've known each other since.
We've both worked in Salt Lake City and started this
business back in the late nineties, and we've spread out

(08:17):
over the years. He's worked in Detroit, Pittsburgh Bay Area,
back to Salt Lake, worked in Portland. I worked in Portland.
We crossed back. I took his job when he left Portland.
I moved from Salt Lake. We've been buddies and friends
for a long time. I just like talking to him,
and he's fun that he's entertaining, and he works in
the Bayrey and we hate the Niners, so that makes
it more fun. Perfect he's telling me how good the
Niners is going to be. Already, I'm like, aren't they
about to rebuild?

Speaker 2 (08:38):
Do they have to pay rock Party? We're gonna get
into that a little bit of that today.

Speaker 1 (08:42):
But one thing's about ask him about there's there are the.

Speaker 2 (08:46):
Chiefs, the Golden State Warriors.

Speaker 1 (08:48):
Yes, people are just sick and tired of them as
much as anything.

Speaker 2 (08:53):
I always at the Warriors were likable. Are the Chiefs likable?

Speaker 5 (08:55):
I mean I think they are personally Yeah, Like I
think that people general, because they've seen them so often,
they find little reasons to not like them.

Speaker 2 (09:04):
And that's the same thing that happened at the Warriors.

Speaker 1 (09:05):
But we'll just get We're gonna have lundon for for
a weekly thing and just just talk whatever comes to
our mind and just b bes and so we'll have
some fun with that coming up today. So all that
right here, ninety three point three KFM.

Speaker 6 (09:19):
Now back to.

Speaker 7 (09:20):
Ian Forness on your home for the NFL playoffs and
Super Bowl fifty nine. Sports Radio ninety three point three
kjr FM just shuts down.

Speaker 1 (09:38):
I'll throw something at you guys at the end of
the segment. Here kind of split this segment in half
talking about football fatigue before.

Speaker 2 (09:47):
I go to that.

Speaker 1 (09:47):
Before I do that, though, Jimmy Rodgers, new head coach
Wahing State University football coach, made his way to this
side of the state yesterday, had a chance to sit
down with him. We just took a little chunk of
it out of here that I thought was interesting. We
didn't get a chance. He came in show ended, turned
it over to Softy and fain. I was out of here,
didn't have a chance to react to it. So I
want to take just a quick listen to a couple
of highlights from yesterday. Here's new Washington State head football

(10:10):
coach Jimmy Rodgers taking over for Jake Dickert, And I
asked him, why come to Washington State University?

Speaker 3 (10:16):
Yeah, I think it's a national brand to recruit to,
you know, having been in the Pack five or the
you know, the BAC twelve and Power five level.

Speaker 2 (10:26):
The resources that are there.

Speaker 3 (10:27):
The administration knows what that looks like and knows what
having a competitive advantage looks like. Bringing people to a
small town where the people are bought into the program.
Though every player that we've brought on campus thus far,
just on the officials, they could feel the community. And
I think when you recruit to people in substance, that's

(10:48):
more than just flash and hype of a lot of
facilities or big city or things that really don't make
an impact. When you can recruit to the people and
you get the right people in the right seats, I
think you can have success. And I felt that right
away here.

Speaker 1 (11:04):
Everyone brings up the same thing over and over again.
I'm sure you answered this question all the time when
you're on the West Side. But resource wise, you come
from an FCS level school, but you go to a
division ie A school or FBS whatever we call these
these days, and all of that. What has Ann told
you about resources and giving you what you need to compete,
not as much even this year, but next year, especially

(11:25):
when the new PAC twelve comes into play.

Speaker 2 (11:27):
What has she told you? What have you been assured
of as the new head football coach?

Speaker 3 (11:31):
You know, for me, this is more resources than I've
ever had. I haven't came in and had a ton
of demands of I need this, or I need that
this is more than what I'm used to and my
last job, I mean, I did a lot of things,
and so did our coaching staff. We held a lot
of different hats, and coming to Washington State, I feel
like there's three to four people that that's what they specialize,
and so I haven't came in and complained about really

(11:54):
anything thus far. I'm appreciative of the help that's there,
the support that's there. With the right people in the
right seat, you can have success. So I'm not necessarily
looking for more and more and more. We need to
figure out what this team looks like this spring and
develop a winning culture on the field before I start
asking about what we need.

Speaker 2 (12:14):
Quarterbacks staves ebie x House.

Speaker 1 (12:16):
We got a chance to watch him in the bowl game,
and every Cougar fan was like, Wow, like this guy's
got a little something there. And remember in the fall
he compete with joh Matier and we all kind of
sometimes I think gu's lip service. We thought maybe Dicker
was like, Ah, it's just they're competing. Then you watched
him play and you probably could believe that there was
a real competition. What have you seen? You've watched his tape,
you watched the game. What have you seen from Zebby?

Speaker 3 (12:36):
I don't think it's just the tape though. Getting to
know him, he's a really mature person. He's got real
confiden It's like true confidence. Some people act like they're
confident and they're really not confident, and you can see
through some of those things. He's a great leader. And
every player that I talked to along the way, whether
they were guys that were in the portal thinking about
leaving and game back or guys that are on the
current team, they've all mentioned Zevy as far as his

(12:58):
leadership skills and the fact of them believing in him.
And that was pretty evident on the in the wide
receiver crew.

Speaker 2 (13:06):
The you mentioned title in championship.

Speaker 1 (13:09):
Uh, kind of a different weird year this year with
the in between the almost a gap year and then
the new PAC twelve starts with some I mean, that's
that's going to be a good good good football, great
basketball conference, good football conference as well. Uh, when you
look at that coming ahead, what you mentioned that you're
opening press conference too, what gives you the thought that

(13:29):
you can win it and compete for championships at the
highest levels.

Speaker 3 (13:33):
Yeah, I think once you get the right kids in
the in the in the door, and you develop a
system that you believe in. You're just you know, maybe
elevating in the type of talent that you can get
in Washington State's a national brand in which you can
recruit to. I think it was just seen in Devon
Ellis and the type of caliber player that wants to
come play here. You know, there wasn't a long standing

(13:54):
relationship with Devin and he's one of the best wide
receivers in the country that we just signed and what
was a one week span of trying to rush get
to know him and find out what was important to him.
And he turned down a lot of places that he
had an opportunity to play. Some of those are in conference.
So if you can win those battles and recruiting, I
don't know why we can't think that we can win
the battles on the field. You know, if you're getting

(14:15):
the quote unquote some of the better players and beating
them and recruiting, then it takes the scheme and the
coaching to take you over the top. And I feel
confident in the coaching and I feel confident in the
scheme just getting them in here and thrusting, you know,
thrusting them with our families and making it feel like
a family environment in order to grow here to you know,
to sustain some culture, to have some wins.

Speaker 2 (14:36):
I got about a minute here before Stevens kills me.
Sale times is good. They'll be fine, They'll be one.

Speaker 1 (14:42):
Look for the sale time story. How about that little
teas for them, sales Time's writing a story in Jimmy
Rodgers tomorrow. Huh, there's a teach from that. That's a
little kiss I gave to them. All right, Uh, what
would you do? What would you tell Washington State fans?
What do you want them to know? There's we're on
the west side of the state. This is where a
good chunk of the alums live. Your message to Washington
State football fans, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (15:02):
I think it's about we're going to play a brand
of football that it's fast, physical and tough, and we're
going to be competitive this upcoming year. I don't expect
to wait to rebuild.

Speaker 2 (15:12):
I've heard that.

Speaker 3 (15:12):
Multiple times, and I've never been a part of a rebuild.
I had been a part of winners, and I expect
to win in Washington State.

Speaker 1 (15:20):
So interesting. A lot of stuff in there. I just
want to touch it. So we finished the show yesterday,
just jumped out and boom, we were done. And it's good.
Actually have Andrews here, you know, not not a cougan.

Speaker 2 (15:29):
That's the first time I heard it, actually, is it?

Speaker 1 (15:31):
Yeah, because you were doing the Morning or the you
were doing a lot yesterday.

Speaker 5 (15:35):
I was podcasting for the show I did with Chris
and then getting.

Speaker 1 (15:37):
Ready for Yeah, so okay, I'll just ask you your
impressions of the guy all business.

Speaker 5 (15:44):
Yeah, he's I mean, and like, I think that's I
think that's a good thing in today's college football. You
can make the splashy higher like UNC did with Bill Belichick,
who also is all business, but in a different way. Right,
But I think you want someone who is willing to
kind of grind a little bit, and that it's with

(16:05):
all that entails with nil and recruiting and at a
smaller university that needs to kind of get pulled back
up into the upper echelon of college football like Wazoo.
I think it's a it's a really good fit.

Speaker 2 (16:16):
Personal.

Speaker 1 (16:17):
Yeah, it was an interesting conversation for me. And and listen,
if you're a Husky fan or you know, maybe a
Duck fan or something like that. Is this guy going,
he's delusional. You can't compete at the highest level if
you're a Wazoo compared to where he was, right, Yeah,
because he's in the FCS for nothing else. Right, they
did win a national championship there multiple But you know,

(16:38):
if you're listening to that and you're like a Husky
fan or a Duck fan or something like that, if
she delusion, all, he's an idiot. They're playing the PAC
twelve and they're not playing in different conference and all
those things. And you know what I'd probably if I
was in your shoes, I'd probably say the same thing.
Right then, I would point this year to Boise State.
I would point to you know, SMUs in a bigger conference.
But really is not traditional power. You know, if you

(17:02):
look at the overall records and numbers, Wazoo over the
last fifteen years is a top thirty program in the
country and a lot of different metrics. But right now
they're in no man's land until the new PAC twelve starts.
When the new PAC twelve starts, are still the unknow
who's going to be the other team that joins it.
In a lot of ways, it's probably gonna be a
better basketball conference than a football conference, at least just

(17:24):
to start the new PAC twelve will be. But yeah,
my impressions were of the following one. You're right all business. Yeah, Like,
this dude is as serious as the days, and I
had no idea what to expect from him. You know,
when you post stuff on social media, as a school

(17:44):
does when you get hired, there's this smiling guy, good looking,
young dude, you know you're thinking he's gonna I'm thinking
Dickert with a go tea. Honestly, Like, is any raw
rock guy? Probably right? Coming from FCS.

Speaker 2 (17:58):
Here we go the culture, let's go, yeah, what she's in.

Speaker 1 (18:02):
Two, this guy was different than a Really, he's different
than any coach we've had in a long time. I'll
make a comparison in a second, different sport over there,
but he's different. We've had so many eccentric kind of
off the wall, and this is not a criticism of

(18:23):
them or anybody else. But when you're trying to get
back onto the when you're probably trying to get back
into the game, so to speak, back into the world
of relevancy, the most important thing is winning. That's the
most important thing is winning. He's right, there is a
national brand there. I mean Game Day was there a
few years ago. They did the flag flies every Saturday morning.

(18:46):
People still know the logo and all that. Not having
as much PAC twelve after Dark I think hurt a
little bit this year. Yeah, I think that was always
a thing that actually did help the conference elevated. Even
if Offen was on the PAC twelve network.

Speaker 2 (18:58):
Maybe not.

Speaker 1 (18:59):
But if you've got an FS one game that starts
at seven or a Fox game that starts at seven, yeah,
that helps you, ESPN two what have you.

Speaker 2 (19:04):
And PAC twelve after Dark is a brand.

Speaker 1 (19:06):
It is a brand, yeah, and it will be again
with the teams that are in this league. I mean,
they're gonna be, you know, doing their thing, but you
have to win. You also have to find a guy
that's wounded. You just said it, do the heavy lifting
and grind. They got so much work to do, so
so far to go with this new landscape of college football,

(19:27):
and it's never gonna be the same. You're never gonna
be on the same playing field as the Big Ten
and the SEC, but neither will the Big twelve or
the ACC. They're not on the same playing field as
two conference points. I think, yeah, you're not in the
same con You're not in the same playing field as
those two conferences. So what's the next best thing. Well,
you're in this new conference that has been proven if
you have a hell of a year, you can have

(19:48):
a chance to compete in the playoff. I don't know
how realistic that is for Wazoo in the short term,
but I'm not going to look at this guy and
tell him it's not.

Speaker 2 (19:57):
Because you just heard what he said.

Speaker 1 (20:00):
His demeanor, his kind of serious tone. The guy that
reminds me of is Tony Bennett. When Tony first took
the job at Wazoo.

Speaker 2 (20:12):
Really okay, so I have a different comparison, but I'll
let you go.

Speaker 1 (20:15):
Tony Tony was, and later on you probably saw Tony
Bennet on the podium at Virginia a little bit more.
I say, I don't want to say comfortable in his skim,
but I mean it was. And you know, this guy
has coached a couple of years as a head coach.
Tony hadn't been a head coach. Takes the Wazoo team,
goes tournament two straight years, goes the n IT the
next year, with Clay and then and then goes to

(20:35):
Virginia eventually wins a national championship after having some ups
and downs. Obviously losing is the first ever one seed
to lose with sixteen seed all that stuff. But and
then Tony got out of it. Why did Tony get
out of it this year? He hates where college athletics
are very much like Jay Wright at Vanderbilt or at yeah, Vanderbilt, No,
Vanderbilt Villanova. Oh yeah, very much like Jay Wright, very
much like Nick Saban. Guys like that that just like

(20:57):
we're out, can't do it. But the actual serious tone, demeanor,
matter of fact, yeah, we can win.

Speaker 2 (21:05):
That tone which.

Speaker 1 (21:06):
You have to have because you have to sell that
to kids coming in that aren't too you know, they're
not four stars or five stars.

Speaker 2 (21:11):
We never get.

Speaker 1 (21:12):
The funny thing is we've never got those kids anyway.
We've never got those kids anyway. So that's not going
to change. What changes is can you hold on to
the guys that you get, that you develop over two
or three years. That's the world that has changed because
it used to be, hey man, we'll bring this guy
in and after this kid named Truefont from Tacoma heard
he's a pretty good cornerback, will develop him for a
couple of years, and all of a sudden he's a

(21:35):
first round draft pick and he's leading. Need of the
promise land and things like that. Yeah, that's what you need.
That is harder to do now because you know, if
this would have been fifteen years ago, twenty years ago,
Marcus would have got offers to go to Alabama and
get a bunch of money. I don't know if he
would have taken it. Mark is still a coup from
a different cloth, but who knows. But you're gonna get
those guys. But the Tony Bennett part of it that

(21:57):
I brought up, he I had a chance to do
a bunch of fundraising stuff with Tony when he first
got hired back in two thousand and seven, actually both
him and his dad before that, the two years before that,
and was it oh five when Dick first came out
here and Tony was a assistant and Tony man, I
was like, he's a hard nut to crack, Like is
there a personality there? It did come out as the

(22:18):
years went on, but there was a big Tony Bennett
vibe I got from this guy. And when he took
over that basketball program. They had been awful for a
long time. The last time they were relevant and decent
was when Kelvin Samson was there the started his coaching
career before he went onto bigger and better things along
the way. But yeah, there's a lot of big talk.

(22:38):
If I'm not a Wazu fan, I'm gonna be very like,
kind of pessimistic on whatever. Dude, you're delusional. If I'm
a Wazoo fan, I'm gonna like, man, what happened to
the gregarious, fun eccentric guys like we had like Price
and Ericsson and Leech and Dickert and those types of guys,
even crazy man Rollo a little off the wall crazy.
This guy's a different dude. Man, he is a different dude.

(23:00):
I'm excited to see what he brings. I think he's
the right guy for where they're going to be. This
is an irrelevant year. Sorry, Wazoo. I know you guys
hate when I say that, But you're playing an independent
schedule again against team you just you're not playing for anything.
You just aren't your big years In two years, when
the PAC twelve is reformed, that's when it's gonna matter.

(23:21):
That's when it's a big deal. That's when you better
be having all your ducks in a row and a
way you go. Now, it helps us stay relevant good
this year? Absolutely well. I root for you every game,
one hundred percent. Will I stress out and get mad
when you lose, Yes, all day long and every day.
But you've got a guy in here to build a program.
You're not going in with expectations this year, is what
you're saying. I'm going in with expectations that you'll be
good and competitive and you'll have a winning record and

(23:42):
you go to a bowl game.

Speaker 2 (23:43):
I don't think that's that. I'm sure that will happen.

Speaker 1 (23:46):
Yeah, my expectations of anything besides that, noo. My bigger
concern or concern, guess, bigger picture is when the new
conference begins and you're playing in a conference, back in
a real conference, playing for a conference champions. She had
a chance maybe to go to the CFP and you
got Boise State and all these other schools on your
schedule that become relevant again, right and the new Pac twelve,

(24:10):
that's when it becomes a little bit more. You're not
because you can't play for title next year. We found
that out this year the last three games they played
and meant nothing. As it turns out, you already were
settled into where you're going to play.

Speaker 2 (24:19):
Who are you going to compare him to him?

Speaker 5 (24:20):
Well, he's definitely different than Jake Dicker, and I like
the comparison you made or the difference you kind of
proposed as Dicker kind of embraced the role of Okay,
we're going to get these guys that no one else
wanted and developed them and maybe they go somewhere else,
but we're going to keep doing that. We're going to
be kind of a feeder program, so to speak. And
I think this guy is a little bit different of
a mentality. Jimmy Rodgers seems like he wants to build

(24:41):
somewhere where people want to stay, yes, and like he
also seems like the type of guy that speaks differently
to players than he does to media, and he will
have his players go to war for him, and I
think that's going to be something that it's going to
take a couple of years to build. But and the
person that that reminds me of a little bit, and
we kind of just saw that with his first year
here in Seattle is Mike McDonald and very like, okay,

(25:04):
is there any sort of personality there's just almost military
like and how he's everything he does.

Speaker 1 (25:10):
And I told somebody else that I brought up Bennett
and and the other guy I brought up yesterday. It
was Bennett and the McDonald. Yeah, Mike McDonald's first sit
down I had with him at the at the at
the Virginia based Athletic Center last year. It was I mean,
I was really wild by the guy. But not because
he's raw, raw personality, get a joke around with you. No,

(25:32):
I was wild by because the guy had a presence
about him. That's why when Fane said a few weeks
ago like I don't feel like he's he mean, I
don't know if you heard that. He was talking with
side like I don't. I don't feel the I look
at I look at Mike McDonald's sideline. I don't see
the IT factor in the presence. And I'm like, dude,
sit across from this guy, like, no, he's got that.
Mike McDonald has that in spades. Man, it's everywhere.

Speaker 5 (25:53):
You don't have to be sprinting up and down the
sideline like Pete Carroll does to have that factor.

Speaker 1 (25:57):
Right, he's very He's the impression you get with Mike
McDonald he's very much in control. Yes, he's very, very
very much in He saw that with the offensive coordinator situation.
Dude is nobs. Mike McDonald is no bs. And I
like that. I like that a lot about Mike McDonald.

(26:18):
And I feel the same way with Jimmy Rodgers kind
of gives me the same time, right, and you know,
and listen, we have a different impression now of Mike
Holmgren because he's in every week. Make no mistake, big
man was all business when he was coaching in Green
Bay and Seattle. He was all business. I mean it

(26:41):
was we joke about all the time. He jokes about
you know, I used to have a temper no, no, no, Yeah,
you were one hundred percent business.

Speaker 2 (26:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (26:48):
The Mike Holmgren we get now is retired Mike Homgren
hanging out with his grandkids, telling stories and having fun.
And he's an awesome guy, that dude. You asked Matt Hasselback,
how much fun Mike Holmgren was it times? All business? Yeah,
So I kind of liked it. I will see time
will tell I'm happy with the hire again. It was
weird because it was not what I expected, right, not

(27:09):
what I expected in terms of sit down interview, and
even McDonald wasn't what I expected when I sat down
with him. Both those guys X y Z Black White go.
Maybe that's what we need. Okay, we'll come back. I'm
gonna talk about something weird. Is there such a thing
as football fatigue?

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Speaker 2 (28:59):
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Speaker 1 (29:08):
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I heard it phrase today and I'm curious people can
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Speaker 2 (29:21):
It is totally time.

Speaker 1 (29:24):
It was based on some of the numbers for the
National Championship Game in college football being down. But the
term was used was was football fatigue? And I started thinking,
I said, football fatigue in our country? Does that really
even exist? How could that exist?

Speaker 4 (29:41):
Now?

Speaker 1 (29:42):
In college football? We had a longer season than we've
ever had before. The twelve team playoff extended things. You
had a long you know, the National Championship game was
a couple of weeks later than it was last year.
I remember telling the story like last year, the National
Championship Game was the Monday after the Seahawks finished that
first Sunday and in January.

Speaker 2 (30:00):
Yep, the NFL is Actually.

Speaker 1 (30:03):
This year's Super Bowl is three days earlier than the
latest Super Bowl we've ever had, which was February twelfth,
a couple years ago. So the NFL season isn't longer
college football was, and people watched cumulatively because the bowl
games having such massive numbers. This season, more football than
they've ever watched before. The NFL goes up every year

(30:27):
in terms of viewership, but this year with college football,
with more games, more college football playoff games, adding those
weeks of games, and again the non college football playoff
bowl games, averaging just under three million per game, we
watched more college football than we've ever watched before as
a country, the NFL because of the seventeen game schedule

(30:50):
going longer than it used to. Is there anything Is
there such a thing as football fatigue? When is what
we have now too much? I bring that up with
the thought that we are going to see an eighteen
game NFL schedule. Oh, I think I saw something like
last week that says it's happening the next couple of years,
it's happening, Yeah, which will extend the NFL season another

(31:12):
week in the regular season, another playoff week, et cetera.

Speaker 2 (31:17):
Do you think they give ever give two buys that. Yeah,
they'll have to, they'll tweak some things for sure, playoff lives. Yeah,
But my question, well, and yeah, during the season, yeah,
it'd be like college. Yeah, I'd be like college and
two buys.

Speaker 6 (31:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (31:30):
Has anybody that's listening to this show ever suffered from
football fatigue. I suffer from football for missing football. Yes,
the day after the Super Bowl, it's like massive depression
kicks in, like you're like, oh, what what what?

Speaker 2 (31:45):
What do we do until March Madness? I mean, we're
going on.

Speaker 1 (31:47):
It's better now. Not everybody's a hockey fan. I get
that it's better for us now than it used to be.
I mean, from eight until twenty twenty one, we went
without any anything in the winter time in our town
outside of maybe the Husky basketball program pops, maybe the
Cougar basketball program pops.

Speaker 2 (32:03):
But by and large you went with nothing, yes, nothing professional, to.

Speaker 1 (32:06):
The point where you're like, oh, I can't wait till
pictures and catchers report, which means nothing guys are throwing,
especially you know that's it right?

Speaker 6 (32:16):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (32:17):
But I mean, even even taking all the joke about
the Mariners out of side, pictures and catchers reports, like
the most doesn't mean anything, honest to God, is like
the most overrated thing in the world. It is pictures, Okay,
super That is that like saying, kickers and punters are
out on the field for the first training campsession, who
cares wake me up when the season starts?

Speaker 8 (32:35):
Right?

Speaker 1 (32:36):
But is there such a thing as football fatigue. Is
there too much? Did you get to the point this
year where you said it's too much?

Speaker 2 (32:43):
I didn't.

Speaker 1 (32:44):
Okay, I never did, but that term caught me by surprise.
I was like, man, people, we love football. We're doing
hardcore football today at one o'clock. That's how much we
love football. I think have you ever had football fatigue
where it's like, okay, I'm.

Speaker 4 (32:58):
Done for me?

Speaker 2 (33:00):
I think with the you can split it with the college.

Speaker 5 (33:03):
Yeah, And I think if there was more NFL I
would still watch it and full to schoolsion. I'm not
the hugest college football fan. I went to a school
that does doesn't have college football, so I don't have
that of a need for it as a lot of
people do. I understand that. So I did get a
little bit of it this year. With the playoff being long,
it's like, Okay, I feel like I've watched these before.

Speaker 1 (33:25):
Because we're going to go to the fourteen team playoffs
at some point. I know, an eighteen game NFL schedule,
We're not going to get less football ever than we
have now.

Speaker 2 (33:32):
We're going to get.

Speaker 5 (33:33):
More and more and more, And like I kind of
go through the same thing with soccer in this sense,
which is my top sport that I watched the most of.
I have a tough time watching a level of a
sport knowing that there's a level that's higher. So like
college football, there's a level that's higher, and that's the NFL.

Speaker 2 (33:51):
So soccer.

Speaker 5 (33:52):
That's why I could never get in the MLS. I
love my Sounders, but I can never like just get
into like the MLS as a league, right because I
know there's a level that's significantly higher than than the
MLS and we're going to see that in the Club
World Cup the summer. So for me, it's like, okay, fine,
it's like watching Triple A baseball, right, knowing that there's
a level higher. I know it's different because college football

(34:12):
still is probably closer in terms of skill level, but yeah,
I don't know. I just think, especially with college football,
I can always take more NFL. I think I'd always
be interested in that, but college football, for me, it
got a little too much.

Speaker 2 (34:22):
So maybe too much college football fatigue with college, yes,
but not with the NFL. Correct.

Speaker 1 (34:26):
Yeah, see it's and and I think they were talking
mostly college, but I was thinking because my wife says
this to me the other day, like there's more games, Like, yeah,
we got the conference championship games? What what did you
watch last weekend? Was a divisional champion? Did you watch USFL?

Speaker 4 (34:40):
Ever? See?

Speaker 1 (34:41):
And that's why I'll draw the line. Yeah, but see
USFL is just and it's still back, right. Isn't there
still doing it again this year?

Speaker 8 (34:49):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (34:50):
No?

Speaker 1 (34:51):
Like no, But that's also why I wouldn't watch summer hockey.
I wouldn't because because it's I wouldn't.

Speaker 2 (35:00):
Watch Dominican League baseball, Dominican League.

Speaker 1 (35:02):
Baseball right, or the Korean basement remembory during COVID, Like
the one baseball we have for a while is we
could watch the Korean leagues play it like three in
the morning. Yeah, Like no, I'm good. I'll just check
out Netflix. Man, there is a certain fatigue along the way.
Did you suffer football fatigue this year?

Speaker 6 (35:17):
Four?

Speaker 2 (35:18):
Nine, four to five on? I won't check on that.
Later we come back.

Speaker 1 (35:20):
I know a guy that ever is fatigued with football?
What does the Clinton Kubiak offense look like? There's one guy,
and I mean this, there is one guy that is
qualified to tell us his name, Hugh Braidlove Mellon.

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Speaker 2 (36:39):
Oh my god, did this really happen? Hang on?

Speaker 1 (36:43):
Oh yeah, this will be a good place to start
with you. Russell Wilson and Drake May are both pro
bowlers names his replacements for the game. It's like the
fifteenth time russ has been a pro bowler fourteen alternate
fourteen times an.

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Speaker 2 (37:35):
This always happens.

Speaker 1 (37:36):
I want to talk to Hugh Millan about one thing,
and something else just hits me in the face over
the head.

Speaker 7 (37:40):
Whatever.

Speaker 2 (37:41):
Hugh Russell Wilson's a pro bowler reacts.

Speaker 8 (37:45):
My god, I got to well, look I want with
my kids, I say, look, don't let your bother meter
go to haywire. Yeah you're right, but you're like you're
acting at your bother meters at a seven or eight
should be a one or two. I'll just say this,
like I have a bother meter with it's all sports
related stuff, right like right, like so, but just sports

(38:08):
bother meter not having full time officials in the NFL,
it's a ten. That stupid push push is like as
a nine point five. I got a bother meter that
can go hey wire. My opinion about uh Russell Wilson
and his Pro Bowls, it's a bunch of a bunch
of hooey. This will be his tenth Pro Bowl. And

(38:30):
it amazes me how often really respectable professional journalists will
just throw that number out. I'm just telling you, and
the guy has earned five. Hey, well, that's great. It's
five more than me, Like, like, that's a big number.
That's really commendable. But five is not nine, and five

(38:51):
is not ten.

Speaker 4 (38:52):
And that's what you know.

Speaker 8 (38:53):
The nine has been reported for the last couple of years,
and now we're gonna add another one to it. I
think he's one of the only big time quarterbacks that
when he's the seventh alternate, they you know, they say, hey,
do you want to playing the plot? But sure, yeah, yeah,
yeah yeah.

Speaker 4 (39:06):
You know usually those guys.

Speaker 8 (39:08):
Saying thanks, but no thanks, Yeah, I'm good and I
honest to God, like I don't know what's in his head. Ian,
But it does leave open the criticism that he's trying
to amass some kind of Hall of Fame profile built
in part by uh Pro bowlers. But I promise you,
I will freaking promise you. Don't bet me on this,

(39:29):
because I'll take your money. I will promise you I
could produce double digit articles next summer and when he's
in free agency that he's a ten time pro bowler.

Speaker 1 (39:39):
Oh yeah, no, I that's because that's what's going to happen.
That is one hundred percent what is going to happen.
The Pro Bowl is such a joke anyway anymore. You know,
it used to be prestigious, a real game if you
got name to what you play, unless you win the
Super Bowl and away you went. And if you were
a pro bowler, you were a legitimate pro bowler. And
you and I have talked about it before I bring
it up all the time we bring up guys like
Bobby Wagner and others. There is a distinct difference between

(40:02):
Pro Bowler and and All Pro as well. And Russell
Wilson has never been an All Pro. Right, maybe it
was a second team? Was he second team one time?

Speaker 2 (40:11):
Maybe?

Speaker 8 (40:11):
I don't know if he's been a first team, He's
never been first team. Off there, I'll say this, Yeah,
I mean, there was a time when the Pro Bowl
was always in Hawaii and always the week after the
Super Bowl, and there were only two quarterbacks per conference,
not three, and it was a big prestigious deal to
be in the Pro Bowl. And what would frequently happen

(40:32):
is a guy, you know, wins the Super Bowl MVP
and the next week, I mean, he's playing in the
Pro Bowl because it's available to him. And you know,
all of that has changed now, but it really skews
when you're trying to compare guys and and you know,
Hall of Fame votes, and you know, look at Mike Homgrin,
We're all we're all justifiably anxious about what's happening with him,

(40:56):
and some of these hard numbers, like Pro Bowls, it
plays a huge part in the voter's decision, and I
just think it's it's amusing my bother meter. It is
about a one and a half in the sports sphere
of things. But I do think that the BS ought
to be called out, and I'm gonna call it out.

Speaker 2 (41:16):
Okay, I'm just I just double checked.

Speaker 1 (41:17):
Twenty nineteen, Russ was a second team AP All Pro.

Speaker 2 (41:25):
That same year, he was.

Speaker 1 (41:27):
First team NFC All Pro by the Pro Football Writers.
That doesn't count, and Pro Football Focus had him as
first team as so the only time that of the
Pro Bowl, because the All Pro that matters is the
AP vote, right, and he was second team in twenty nineteen.

Speaker 2 (41:41):
That's it.

Speaker 1 (41:42):
By comparison, we start talking about guys going into the
Hall of Fame, and the Hall of Fame monitor and
All Pro is usually one of the first starting points
for anybody. You better have at least a couple first
team All pros.

Speaker 2 (41:56):
To get in. He has none along the way, but
he's got a lot of Pro Bowls.

Speaker 8 (42:00):
Well yeah, but I mean, I mean, get Sando on
in these guys that are you gonna tell me that
Pro Bowls aren't mentioned?

Speaker 1 (42:07):
No, they're mentioned, No they're mentioned. But but we've talked
about it before All Pro is is is usually the
starting point. That's like, that's like the jumping off point.
And it's like when Bobby Wagner's name gets brought up
at all and Bobby Wagner is a six time first
team All Pro, I think he's got three other second
team All pros. And if you go back over the years, uh,
there's only two middle linebackers, true mike linebackers that have

(42:30):
had more than I think it was Singletary had seven
and maybe Buckus had seven. Lewis Yeah, yeah, that's what
it was. Yeah, So like like that's that that puts
you in a different category. Cam Chancellor had one second team, right,
So I mean we go to Hall.

Speaker 8 (42:45):
Yeah, and I always think of from the Seahawks perspective,
the the two guys the best players, uh in in history.
Now you'd say Steve Largent, right, but when you compare
them to the others, I think Walter Owns and Kenny
easily have more of a candidacy in terms of just
like like were you ever the best at your position?

Speaker 6 (43:08):
Right?

Speaker 8 (43:09):
And for how long? Walter Jones was the best at
his position? But I don't I don't think he earned
that distinct. How many times does I mean, looking up,
how many does Walter Jones first Team All pros?

Speaker 9 (43:19):
Is he out?

Speaker 8 (43:20):
Well, I'm just you know, Kenny easily had this short career,
of course, but you know he was like, you know,
the Terrell Davis of strong safeties. You know, just I
mean short career, but you know, the Gael Sayers of
strong safety. Short career, but immensely impactful and and acknowledged
universally to be the best strong safety on the planet

(43:41):
during this period of time.

Speaker 1 (43:42):
I looked up a guy just for giggles because he
was We heard him yesterday chirping in the background at
Pete's news conference. Marshawn Lynch was a first team All
Pro in twenty twelve, and he was a second team
All Pro in twenty fourteen.

Speaker 2 (43:53):
That was more time First Team All Pro for Walter Jones.
Four time first year Yeah yeah, yeah.

Speaker 8 (43:57):
So, I mean you can make a a an argument
here based on these stats of the first team All
Pro that the Bobby Wagner is the premiere, the number
one y one ye Seahawk of all time. I mean
that's you know, it's pretty good all the distinction. Yeah,
pretty good.

Speaker 1 (44:15):
Youmailing with us joining us here on the Beacon Pumping Hotline.
I mentioned this earlier to show Hugh I I while
the Seahawks were in their search for an offensive coordinator,
and while people on social media and all over the
place were breaking down the potential guys and what their
offense looks like. I'm I'm one that let me tell you,
tell me when you hire a guy, And when the

(44:36):
guy's hired, then.

Speaker 2 (44:37):
I'm gonna do this.

Speaker 1 (44:38):
I'm gonna call my guy that has qualified to tell
me what his offense looks like, because by then he'll
have done all the hard work and heavy lifting for me,
stuff that I wouldn't understand anyway.

Speaker 2 (44:46):
And Hugh, that is you, my friend. So so what what? Okay?

Speaker 1 (44:51):
And I know you, I know you well, you've watched
tape a lot of it on what Clint Kubiak does
as an offensive coordinator. So, Clint kub offensive coordinator of
the Seahawks, what's what? Where do you want to start?

Speaker 4 (45:03):
Well?

Speaker 8 (45:03):
I don't know who does their job better, you overselling
or me under delivered. I don't know how am I
going to live up to that? But I appreciate the
nice ones. Well, let's just talk about what you're going
to see before the ball was snapped shotgun. A year
ago the Seahawks at seventy six point seven. Now I've

(45:24):
got all these indecimal points. I don't think what people
want to hear that seventy seven percent that was ranked eighth. Okay,
the Saints were fifty seven percent. They were twenty eight.
So from a ranking, you go from eight to year
ago to twenty eight, so you're going to see less
shotgun the percentage of times with a tight end two
or more tight ends a year ago.

Speaker 10 (45:46):
This kind of.

Speaker 8 (45:48):
Actually, I'll get the Saints. Last year, the Seahawks ranked
twenty fifth two or more tight ends. The Saints were second.
So in that regard, the Saints being second reminds me
a little bit of twenty twenty two. Remember how many
three tight end personnel formation Seattle had in the backfield?

Speaker 1 (46:08):
Where and that was and by the way, just real quick,
that was with Kolby Parkinson, Will Disley and Noah fan
right like. It was better tight ends, Yes, better tight
ends than they had this past year for sure. Yeah,
and we got to talk about the tight ends.

Speaker 8 (46:21):
I mean, but now here's a stat for you, two
or more in the backfield, not counting the quarterback. All right,
so this would be I formation, a lead blocker, a fullback,
or you saw you know, split backs or whatever. But
so two now I want to say two running backs,
because if you're looking at from a blimp, you go, oh,
there's two running backs along with the quarterback. Well, oftentimes

(46:44):
in the NFL these days, it's actually a tight end
in the backfield, and so that on those occasions that
counts in this statistic. A year ago Seattle was right
in the middle seventeenth most like the Saints a year ago,
number one in the NFL in terms of two or
more in the backfield. Got me excluding the quarterback. Okay,

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so now I mentioned the tight ends. That kind of
gets to three plus wide receiver percent Seattle because they
had a Grade eleven personnel. What's eleven one running back,
one tight end, three receivers. Well, you had Jackson Smith
and Jagby, they had DK and you had Tyler. Right,
So the Seahawks from a frequency standpoint, where third in

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the NFL three plus receivers makes sense logical. The Saints
thirty four percent thirty They ranked thirty first, So you
go from third to thirty first in the use of
three and then targets. Now there's an asterisk that I'm
going to get to. That's some maybe and you may
be thinking, and I'll address that. The percent of the

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targets that go to wide receivers was seventeenth, now thirty second,
dead last, the Saints were dead last. And throwing the
receiver percent of the receptions dead last were the Saints.
The percent of the yards going to wide receivers, they
were thirty first. Now to that and received heat. Yeah,
go ahead, asterik. I was going to say two things. One,

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Taysom Hill, what position did he play? And Chris o
Lave was kind of like their main guy, right, So
that was those are the two asss. I had two
asterisks in my mind.

Speaker 10 (48:19):
Yeah they had.

Speaker 8 (48:20):
Yeah, Well, the answer to the first question is everything. Yeah,
Tisom Hill. I mean he there's never been a Swiss
Army knife that I've ever seen quite like him. Right
when you consider that he that he has significant uh
you know, he's not just a wildcat quarterback. I mean
he'll throw a seam up for a touchdown in the
red zone if you don't defend him. Right, Like, he's
just a unique dude. He's a wide receiver, he's a

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lead back, full back, he's he's a uh uh direct
snap guy. I mean to me, he's one of one
that I've ever seen. And so I don't really you know,
find uh, you know, look for ways that Seattle's going
to duplicate that because you don't have him.

Speaker 7 (48:57):
Right.

Speaker 8 (48:57):
But but as I as I described the wide receiver
productivity or lack thereof for the Saints, it obviously needs
to be noted Derek Carr uh was hurt, Uh, Chris Olavey,
their best receiver, Rashid Shaheed, And of course with Derek
Carr being hurt, you had starts by Spencer Rattler, a
fifth rounder rookie, and uh and and our buddy Jay

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Hayner right, a fourth round guy who's been, you know,
banging around on the practice squad. So I think that
they really were depleted. And so it's hard to glean
on some of these stats. As for the blocking scheme.
If you have Clint Kubiak, I played for his father
Gary in Denver, right and and and Clint Kubiak he played,

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uh he coach rather under Shanahan. He was the passing
game coordinator. Those guys are really advocates of the outside
zone play zone blocking. And now I'm gonna describe that
in a second, but I'm gonna put some numbers to that, okay, Okay,
So Canine last year zone block? Write this number down

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eighty one snaps gap scheme blocking. That's where you're blocking
down at the point of attack towards the ball and
pulling at least a backside guard. Sixty eight, all right,
so just slight, you know, eighty one to sixty eight.
Slightly more zone blocking, Okay. Now I'm gonna give you
Alvin Kamara Alvin Kamara at forty seven gap scheme, but

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one hundred and sixty seven zone blocking scheme. Okay, so
well over triple three and a half times, whereas and
for by the way, for Charbonnay, Charbonnay had slightly more
rushes from gap scheme. So what's the takeaway? Okay, Seattle was,

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you know, basically pretty even slightly more favoring the zone.
The Saints are much more featuring of zone blocking.

Speaker 4 (50:52):
Okay, So what what?

Speaker 2 (50:54):
What?

Speaker 8 (50:54):
What are you going to see? So you got Knine
lining up, let's call him in the dot. Let's say
we're going to be under center now, we'll just say Geno.

Speaker 2 (51:02):
For now.

Speaker 8 (51:03):
Geno's under center and Canine's in the dot.

Speaker 2 (51:06):
What does that mean?

Speaker 8 (51:06):
He's right behind, He's in a neutral position. He can
go stretch right or stretch left. Let's say the tight
end is to the left. Let's say a J barn
is to the left. So now snap the ball.

Speaker 2 (51:17):
Geno goes.

Speaker 8 (51:18):
Here comes Canine and his aiming point is right up
the ass crack of a J barner. Okay. Now, some
coaches will say outside leg of the tight end. Someone
will say inside leg, and he say, well, what if
the tight end isn't there, and you're going to the
open side away from the tight end, you go to
the ghost to the tight end. And by the way,
I'm what I'm I'm communicating to is is stuff that
I was in those Bronco team meeting rooms with with

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Alex Gibbs running the entire show and Mike Shanahan sitting
in the very back row with his mouth shut, listening
to Alex Gibbs run the tape and with a laser pointer. Okay,
and so he's telling Terrell Davis, hey, this is your spot.
He's telling the tight ends. He's coaching the entire offense.
And one time, I remember, I'm putting the This is
Alex Gibbs, now the legendary offensive line coach, the godfather

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of the outside zone. Who who who Kubiak and Shanahan
and all these guys Revere. I remember, uh uh Alex
Gibbs putting the laser pointer on John Elway.

Speaker 2 (52:16):
And this is practice.

Speaker 8 (52:17):
And and he says, quarterback, carry out your fake, as
if he was talking to a rookie free agent like
that dude freaking had control. So now you're telling Canine, Okay,
you run and you read the block of a J.
Barner if he if he he's gonna A J. Barner
is gonna try and hook that in man, he's gonna
try and get to the outside shoulder. Reached the outside

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shoulder to allow K nine, with his speed to bust
it to the outside towards the sideline. Okay, so here
here's here's K nine. He's reading that block. Oh no,
that defensive end got too wide. Barner can't hook him.
His eyes then go to the next guy inside, and
then he said, okay, can you reach him the defensive tackle.

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Let's call it the three technique. Can you reach the
three technique? On the outside sade of the guard. If
you can you reach him, then that's the whole. It's
between the end man and the three tech. If you
cannot reach him, now now you tell K nine. Now
you go one guy inside you let's let's you don't
go to the next guy. And then you say, well,
did you reach him? And so all this stuff is happening,

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and you've heard the term put your foot in the
ground and go I've hated that term because where else
the hell are you going to put the freaking foot
I'm with you, yes, all right, right, but but let
me let me interpret what I what what I believe
people are talking about when they say that, So as
your as your aiming point is the tight end, and
your eyes are seeing or reading each of these you're

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reading these successive blocks on the line of scrimmage from
the outside, just working your way in. When you see
that hole, that's when you go straight north right. And
so if if you told me, as a guy who's
you know, call plays in high school and all, but
if you said to me, all right, I'm gonna go
into an NFL game and my call sheet I'm gonna get,

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you know, twenty pass plays which would be very few
because there's a really stripped down you only get twenty
pass plays and one running play. Okay, hell, give me
ten pass plays and one right play and somehow try
and find a way to win this game. But you
get to pick which which running play. I would say
the outside zone because it can hit anywhere. It can

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bounce way to the outside, It can bounce just inside,
just off tackle, inside the tight end. It could bounce
in the B gap I'm off guard. It can go
right over the middle of the center, or it can
even go back on a stretch left. You can you
can rewind it and go Holy cap, he got the
backside A gap, the a gap between the guard and

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the center on the right side, or even the backside
B gap. So there's all these opportunities for a running
back to read that.

Speaker 2 (54:59):
Okay.

Speaker 8 (54:59):
So that's again the zone blocking scheme that you know
featured now from that because you get a strong flow
as opposed to the inside zone and the mid zone,
mid zone, I'll just simplify outside zone, the stretch. The
aiming point for the running back is the tight end. Out,
mid zone is the tackle. Inside zone is the guard,

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all right, and and and so when you when you
run that outside zone, you get more flow from the
from the linebackers, and then that creates the naked's going
the other way. So you fake canine to the left,
Geno comes out to his right. He's got a right
handed quarterback, and you got all these concepts. A guy
in the flat, you always have a crosser from the backside,

(55:41):
and what have you. But what what the Shanahan tree does.
Also from this is we used to have a term
called Boston, like like Boston red sox Boston. It was
a word conjunction of two words boot stop.

Speaker 4 (55:56):
So what do I mean by that?

Speaker 8 (55:58):
All right, we're gonna do in succession. We're gonna go
stretch left and give the ball to K nine. Okay,
over the tight end, not me yep. Now we're gonna run.
That's play number one. Now off of that, we're gonna
go play number two. We're gonna run the bootleg.

Speaker 4 (56:12):
All right.

Speaker 8 (56:12):
So, so Gino is when I use the term naked
and bootleg, those are interchangeable. They're totally synonymous. In the NFL,
I think one hundred years ago, boot leg might have
meant that a guard pulls out and leads for the quarterback.
But I think that was dropped. You know two generations ago,
So boot and naked are synonymous. So now play number two.
We're gonna go the boot and we're gonna fake the

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K nine. Now Gino's gonna come out. He's on the run,
he's outside the pocket. He's gonna throw in the flat
or a crosser or maybe something deep down the field
on the toward the sideline, a twenty yard run back.
Now play number three of how these all marry together.
We're gonna fake the stretch, which was play number one.
We're gonna fake the boot. But now boot boot Boston

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his boot stop. Now we're gonna stop. We're gonna set
up with Gino. And now we're gonna be able to
throw routes back to our left with Gino or over
the middle. And here's another feature of this offense. A
lot of tight formations squeeze formations by the wide receivers.

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They some quarterbacks like a spreads, give me it as
wide as he can. So I because because space is
the friend of an offense, and the wider we can
spread our receivers, you know, like Tennessee for example, Josh Hipel.
I've never seen somebody have more wider splits. You know
some teams in the NFL they like the wider splits.

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From this tree, you're going to see a lot of
the big plays. I watched the big play reel for
the Saints. All their biggest pass plays, almost all of
them are from condensed splits and where the receivers are
really close to the ball.

Speaker 4 (57:47):
Now, what does that do?

Speaker 8 (57:48):
What's the challenge? First of all, you can dictate outside
leverage by the corners because they're not going to be
up top that the receivers are inside what's called the divider.
The divider is a spot where you tell the corner.
If he's inside, you you got to play outside leverage.
If he's wider, if he's out near the sideline, then
you play inside. So you can get you can get.
You can determine the leverage of the of the dbs

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by squeezing those formations. Now what happens is you get
a lot of crossing routes because you're closer to the ball. Right,
it's easier to cross to the other side of the
formation if you line up closer to the ball. But
in addition to that, you also have a lot you
have more grass to the outbreaking routes. Now there the
dbs will be in an outside leverage. But those dbs

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in an outside leverage, they have to say, hey, is
he is he gaining with on me at the snap
of the ball because he wants to get outside of me?
Or is he gaining with on me so that I
that he wants to break in? So that's the those
those binds that Kyle Shanahan tries to put you in
in in some of these attributes that I'm describing, that

(58:53):
is unique to this system. And we got a disciple
in Clint Kobiac system.

Speaker 1 (58:58):
Okay, let me do this. Take a quick break back.
I told you two segment. Stay, it's gonna be three.
I'm gonna tell you right now. I'm just gonna give
you warning. I got a lot of questions Gino in
this offense. Can Gino take this offense in this team
to the next level or the biggest level?

Speaker 2 (59:11):
And how does ken.

Speaker 1 (59:12):
Walker fit into the as you're describing it. I'm thinking
this a perfect fit for ken Walker. So I'm gonna
ask you all those questions next.

Speaker 7 (59:22):
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Speaker 2 (59:32):
Touch Down, All right back you bailing with us hardcore football.
New Seahawks offensive coordinator Clink Kobiak has been hired.

Speaker 1 (59:43):
Lots of questions you, lots of questions here. Let me
start first with I'll get to Geno in a second.
He s first with Ken Walker. I think you and
I share the same thoughts, guys, kind of a special
can be can be a special talent. As you're describing this,
if there's one knock that he had a remember doing
a postgame interview with him maybe two years ago, three

(01:00:03):
years ago, and it was and he had said to me,
says it was a game in much a couple of
games prior, he was doing the kind of the dancing
stuff back and forth, back and forth, and oftentimes when
he did that, to be fair to him, Hugh, I
think we can all see this, he would probably save
the team a four yard loss and turn it into
a two year yard gain. But he alway kind of
felt like he's trying to hit the home run. And

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he said, Pete tells me, just you know, find the whole,
hit the hole, hit the hole, whatever it is, Go
go north, right, go go north and move up field.
As you're describing this a guy that has his making, missibility,
his pure speed, his elusiveness, all those things that he
has in his traits. I'm just you're describing this offense
and what they want to do, and I'm thinking this

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is a great fit for ken Walker.

Speaker 8 (01:00:47):
Yeah, I think ken Walker. I there was years where
I was saying I think he's potentially a top five guy.
Probably it's more like, you know, maybe a top eight
or ten guy.

Speaker 2 (01:00:58):
Mm hmmm.

Speaker 8 (01:01:00):
I thought last year I was less impressed with him
than any year, and I still love him. I just thought,
you know, there's kind of like a play a game
where you would say, you know, just say, well he
missed the hole and and to your point about dancing
trying to find in that regard, that was some of
the criticism for Barry Sanders, and you could say that

(01:01:22):
he's kind of like a poor man Kenneth Walker is
a poor man's Barry Sanders. Now that doesn't mean, you know,
Barry Sanders is the greatest right of all time at
that style. You're just talking stylistically. Yes, yes, if you
want to throw Kenneth Walker in that style, then that
style is headed by Barry Sanders, and so even if

(01:01:44):
he's ninety percent, I mean, Kobe's a poor man's Michael Jordan,
you know, I mean, you know their games are the same.
It's just k Kobe's ninety percent of Michael Jordan. That's
pretty damn good. So I'm not saying that that Kenneth
Walker is ninety percent of Ofrry Sanders. But you know,
at any rate, I'm just trying to talk about stylistically.

(01:02:05):
But yeah, I think the guy can run zone scheme,
gap scheme. He has the speed to get outside and
you know, really kind of make defense have to really
pursue hard, which can help your play actions. So yeah,
as I describe the read on the stretch, if if
a Seahawk tight end does get the hook on that

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play and the read is to bounce it outside, not
every running back has the.

Speaker 2 (01:02:31):
Speed to do it. He does have the speed to
do it.

Speaker 1 (01:02:35):
What do they need to do for this particular offense
in the offseason personnel wise, outside of we've talked at
nausey about the offensive line. Let's just however they upgrade
it with whatever style of guy they get. I'm sure
that is important to this as well. But as you're
describing it, it sounds like that tight end position, which
is a position of weakness for cl right now, has

(01:02:57):
to be upgraded.

Speaker 10 (01:02:59):
Oh.

Speaker 8 (01:02:59):
I think it absolutely has to be upgrade. I think
Barner is a it would be a good emerging number
two tight end. And what did we say earlier in
the percentage of use of two tight ends or more,
the Saints at thirty two percent that second in the NFL,
So I think that they need a premiere tight end. Look,
they've got the eighteenth pick in the draft. If they

(01:03:21):
use it on on offensive lineman, I'd love that Steve
Hutchinson garnered to seventeenth pick, but he's got to be
a guy that is more than just the blocker of
his man. If you're going to spend an eighteenth pick
on a guard, then he'd better be a guy that
sets the entire tempo in the room. There's got to
be a toughness, a leadership, and accountability, a bonafide leader

(01:03:47):
of that offensive line room. In my opinion, to warrant
an offensive guard at the eighteenth pick. But if you don't,
Ty Warren should be available or could be available at
around eighteen. The tight end from Penn State.

Speaker 6 (01:04:01):
Yea.

Speaker 8 (01:04:01):
I mean, Gronkowski was the second round pick, and this
guy just seems like about the highest floor that you
could possibly imagine for any draft pick. He looks like
a Gronkowski all over. I was terribly unimpressed with Noah
Fant as both a blocker. I think he was ranked
like one hundred and thirty eight or something. I mean,

(01:04:22):
just some absurd number as a blocker. But some of
his route technique is some of the worst I've seen
him on an option route. I mean, there's no separation.
He comes up, he stomps his feet, you know, I
kind of joke like a toddler, you know, when he's
squishing bubble wrap. You know, it's like, dude, stop taking
so many steps. You're you've taken all the momentum you
had going up the field, and you've totally thrown on

(01:04:45):
the brakes and now you've got a better athlete in
front of you, and you're going to try and run
away from him from a dead stop after you've come up.
You haven't fooled him at all. So like he is
really lacked. So I think the Seahawks are below average,
well below coverage at the tight end. Position. If Ty
Warren from Penn State is there, man, it's going to
be hard for me as a fan and an analyst

(01:05:06):
to not want to grab that guy. But I do
it again. Say if they take a guard and it's
in the hutch mold, can't predict the Hall of Famer, right,
If we knew the guy's gonna be a Hall of Famer,
he wouldn't last the eighteenth because even at offensive guard
relatively you know, less important position. If you know what
guy's going to Hall of Fame, he'd be a top
you know, one two or three pick in the draft.

Speaker 1 (01:05:26):
Right right, all right, right, so all right, quick break,
come back, final segment. Gino Smith in this offense, We'll
ask you about that, how he looks in this particular offense,
and is Gino the guy that can take this team
to that next level or the ultimate level? It's called
the super Bowl. They play in a couple weeks you
it's like twelve days away. We'll talk about that next

(01:05:47):
with Humulon.

Speaker 7 (01:05:52):
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Speaker 4 (01:06:02):
Touch Down you.

Speaker 2 (01:06:04):
Melan joining us hardcore football. Clinton Kubiak's new offensive coordinated
for Seattle. What will look like?

Speaker 1 (01:06:09):
We talked about Ken Walker, the basics of the offense
and the use of the tight ends, the blocking schemes
at outside zone, all those things.

Speaker 2 (01:06:16):
Hugh Millen. Gino Smith more than likely is still the
Seahawks quarterback that Clinton Kubiak will be looking to work
with next year. How does he fit into this offense?

Speaker 8 (01:06:26):
Well, I think first of all, let's talk about play action.
I've talked about the tight end percentage, the shotgun, how
that's going to change backfield. Let's talk about play action. Now,
this was not as big a difference as I thought.
They Seahawks a year ago were twenty eight in terms

(01:06:48):
of the percentage of plays that were play action, ranked
twenty eighth. The Saints were only twenty second. So that's
a little bit off of what I would expect from
the chance a hand tree. I think that they'll probably
increase that. And here's some numbers reflect on that. With
respect to play action Gino in twenty twenty two, he

(01:07:10):
was seventh in attempts in play action and eighth in
passer rating. Then in twenty twenty three he was twelfth
in attempts and twelfth in passerining. His passer rating in
play action was one hundred and twelve. That was twelfth
in the league. A non play action his passer rating
was eighty six. Now, last year they go to fifteenth

(01:07:34):
in attempts. Remember they had gone seven, twelve and then fifteen,
But then his passer rating in play action dropped to thirty,
fourth in the NFL. And so I think that there
is a capacity for Gino. He has been good under
play action. I mean, guys, what why are we gonna

(01:07:54):
fire Ryan Grubb If you're you're not gonna fire Grub
to not make subs to changes. What are the changes
gonna be be? You're gonna see more under center. You're
gonna see more zone blocking. You're gonna see more stretch play.
You're gonna see more two tight ends. This is all
the signs, right, and you're gonna see uh less no huddle.

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The Seahawks were fifth in the NFL in no huddle.
These this is all the complimentary stuff that in Mike
McDonald's view of complimentary football. You know what, that's a
euphemism for saying, hey, offense, do everything you can to
make my defense look good, don't turn the ball over
two clock. I want less plays for my defense. Punt

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the ball, play field position, and you know, I understand
we got to make some big plays, so we'll make
that happen out of out of play action.

Speaker 4 (01:08:51):
Right.

Speaker 8 (01:08:51):
So these are some of the changes that I see
and and we've seen glimpses in the past where it
could fit Geno.

Speaker 1 (01:08:58):
Okay, I got about four minutes lefre Gino Smith is
the quarterback. We I mean preface this by saying, my
eyes telling me that that defense is getting better. It's
not going to take a step back. It's only going
to get better in year two and beyond. Under with
Mike McDonald, they've he went out and got an offensive
coordinator that you would think would improve the offense because

(01:09:18):
they're going to be if nothing else philosophically a ligne
on the same page in that regard, the quarterback remains
the same.

Speaker 4 (01:09:25):
Is this a guy is?

Speaker 1 (01:09:26):
Because the bottom line is this, you want to win.
You want to be playing next weekend, next Sunday on
the ninth of February. Can Gino ever be the guy
to get you there? With everything else going on around
this team? Better defense, all those things.

Speaker 8 (01:09:39):
Can he win a Super Bowl?

Speaker 2 (01:09:40):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (01:09:41):
I'll turn it around on you on this and I'll
ask you this, can Pat Mahomes win a Super Bowl?

Speaker 2 (01:09:47):
Well?

Speaker 6 (01:09:47):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (01:09:48):
Yeah, right, that's your reflective answer, like like you're at
the doctor's office, a guy bangs your knee to kick right, Like, yeah,
that's a reflexive answer.

Speaker 2 (01:09:57):
I would.

Speaker 8 (01:09:57):
I would, And that's a sensible answer. But I could
also answer it in the following. It depends, because did
you see the Super Bowl against Tampa Bay in the
twenty nineteen season that they the Chiefs lost that game
thirty eight to nine. Pat Mahomes looked totally outmatched in
every way. Now, I'm going to give you a stat

(01:10:19):
that you're not going to believe because I didn't believe it.
I had to see a three sources to confirm it,
next Gen Stats, and they got I got the tweet.
I'll send it to you. You're still not going to
believe it. Next Gen Stats said, in that game, this
is the Super Bowl against the Buccaneers and Tom Brady
that all the scrambling around behind the line of scrimmage, sideways,

(01:10:41):
this and that from the all the plays before Mahomes
either threw the ball or got sacked that he scrambled
for four hundred and ninety seven yards. I know you
don't believe it, because I didn't believe it, but look
it up. And so this is the part where John Schneider, dude,
let's get it going. You've been in a lump too long.

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Kansas City looked at in that situation they said, our
house is on fire. Okay, there's a wing of our
house that's on fire. That's going to bring the rest
of the house. We have to call the fire department now.
And that wing was the offensive line, and they got
Joe Toney. They spent huge dollars for the left guard
from New England. They drafted Creed Humphrey and then this

(01:11:22):
Tray Smith kid. They hit gold on a sixth round
and right car They fixed their entire offensive line in
one off season because there was a wing under their
house that was on fire. And I'm really honestly tired.
I mean, the Lions did the same thing for their secondary.
The Eagles did the same thing with their corners. We're

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seeing some of the best gms in football that are
still playing that when they see a fire, they put
it out. And this fire on the interior of the
offensive line is driving me crazy. So I'll answer the question,
can Gino Smith win a Super Bowl? Depends just like
Pat Mahomes. Now, I am not obviously saying that Gino

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Smith is comparable to Pat Mahomes. Pat Mahomes can take
a good team and win a Super Bowl. Gino can
take a great team and win the Super Bowl. If
I'll say this, if Gino Smith was the quarterback of
the Eagles, I would say absolutely, because the Eagles have
the number one defense in football in points, they have

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the Pro Football Focus, number one offensive line, Pro Football focuses,
number one tandem of receivers.

Speaker 4 (01:12:33):
Look it up.

Speaker 8 (01:12:34):
They got aj Brown number three. They got DeVante Smith
thirteen at three and thirteen, that's sixteen. Obviously low is
the best. That's the best in the NFL. That Bengals
with t Higgins and Jamarrow a chaser at nineteen. I
know that's subjective. They got Saquon Barkley. They've got a
good tight end, like, there's greatness all around Jalen Hurts

(01:12:54):
and so yeah, if somehow Gihnt Snyder can turn into
Howie Roseberg or whatever his name is, the gm at
at at at Philly and put a great team around. Yes,
Gino can win a super Bowl if he doesn't have
if the burden is spread, if he has to assume
the burden, then no, he's a He's a middle of

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the pack quarterback in my opinion, and which is to say, Hey,
half the teams in the NFL are sitting around going
I wish we had Gino.

Speaker 4 (01:13:23):
Yep.

Speaker 8 (01:13:23):
Right, So he's a middle of the pack quarterback. He's
got to have a very very good to great team
around him to win a Super Bowl, just like every
other quarterback on the planet. On some level.

Speaker 1 (01:13:36):
I love it, my friend, good stuff. We are out,
we are out of time. Doesn't mean we won't talk again.
You know, I'll be calling you. You'll be answering and
all right. I don't even feel like we're on the radio.
I just feel like we're yacking. That's what we do, buddy,
That's what we do. Yeah, that's what we do.

Speaker 4 (01:13:50):
All right.

Speaker 2 (01:13:51):
I'll talk to you, se Man, You're the best. Thank
you so much. There, Ago, that's a humil and that's
just absolutely awesome. I could just talk to him over
and over and over again. I like eight other things I.

Speaker 1 (01:14:00):
Wanted to get to but we're out of time, all right, Well,
come back first visit. It's going to become a little
regular feature on the show of our buddy John lenn
down in a beautiful Bay Area.

Speaker 2 (01:14:09):
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Speaker 6 (01:15:04):
Anyway.

Speaker 2 (01:15:05):
But uh, I got six games before it was selling
go for the playoffs in a way it could, oh
look at you, well, look at you? What else we
got nothing? Let's get to lunch. Let's move it into
two o'clock hour, all right.

Speaker 1 (01:15:21):
So I called my buddy up last week. He's got
a new endeavor going on. It's cruising along. And I said, hey,
back in the day, we used to have you come
on all the time. It was fun, got great feedback.

Speaker 2 (01:15:34):
Let's do it again. Let's bring it back.

Speaker 1 (01:15:36):
He said, I got nothing else going on during the day,
because you know, when you start your own business, you're quiet.
You're probably playing golf, screwing around, having a cocktail at
one o'clock o'clock in the afternoon.

Speaker 2 (01:15:45):
My buddy John Lound is back. He's gonna do this
on a regular basis.

Speaker 4 (01:15:49):
I don't know. I must have got you in a.

Speaker 2 (01:15:50):
Week moment to convince you to do it. How are you?

Speaker 10 (01:15:53):
Yeah, he was drinking on the golf courses when you
what happened? Wouldn't you guys get a hockey team?

Speaker 6 (01:15:58):
I did?

Speaker 4 (01:15:58):
What happened?

Speaker 1 (01:15:59):
Wouldn't that this is for We're four years into it, fella,
we're four years in all. I know, I know, you
guys have one there. You guys have one there, but
it's in San Jose. Does San Jose even count for
the Bay Area?

Speaker 10 (01:16:12):
You mean the Celebrinis, the Macklum celebrities. Yeah, they got renamed.
They have one player. That place is so cool, like, but.

Speaker 6 (01:16:23):
What happens is it's too good.

Speaker 10 (01:16:24):
They have a bar speaking of bars underneath, not underneath,
but like you watch like a period of hockey and
then they have this great circular bar and then you
get stuck at the bar and then it's like midway
through the third period and you're like.

Speaker 6 (01:16:35):
Oh, I missed the game man, last call.

Speaker 2 (01:16:38):
Now last call comes and you got to get back
out there and stuff. So here's the time.

Speaker 1 (01:16:43):
So I called John and I worked together in Salt
Lake back in the late nineties and and then kind
of went our various ways. One of us had a
couple other stops before getting to Seattle. The other guy
had like nine stops before landing in the Bay Area.
And but we've remained for all these years and have fun.
And during COVID when there were no sports going on,

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we did stuff all the time and it was a
blast and it didn't even matter. It doesn't matter what's
going on in the world. We just we just came
on and talked and bs and that's what we're gonna
do again. And I want to do this in all
seriousness for many people. Many of you guys know John
yu spa a cambr and was hosting forty nine Ers
pre and post game. He's got his own thing going
on now, John Lund Unleashed. I don't know what setting

(01:17:27):
I put on my phone, but every time I open
up Instagram, it says John Lund unleashed is live.

Speaker 6 (01:17:32):
So I got it.

Speaker 1 (01:17:34):
And I don't think half the time you're even live,
but it just pops on anyway and it makes people
to listen to it for a while.

Speaker 2 (01:17:39):
Yeah, so tell people what you're doing. Now, what do
you got going on?

Speaker 6 (01:17:43):
All right? So they must have deemed me too old
because you know this.

Speaker 10 (01:17:48):
The ratings are through the roof, as they always are,
and everything was going great, and as what happens in
America many times is and you know me, because of
the quality of work that I put forth, of course,
just got too expensive for the people.

Speaker 6 (01:17:59):
They couldn't afford what I was bringing to the table,
and so which was a.

Speaker 9 (01:18:03):
Lot of advertisers ratings the old ball of wax, and
so I'm out on my own as a lot of
people are doing nowadays, doing a YouTube show and a
podcast and all these things.

Speaker 6 (01:18:14):
It's, as you could imagine, very wildly popular and.

Speaker 10 (01:18:19):
And so that's what I'm doing. It's called John Lund Unleashed.
It's on YouTube with the normal places to get stuff.
The best way to do it without being too shameless,
but plugger here is John Lund Unleashed dot com and
you can find everything there. But so any way, it's
like you said, you know, off the top of your head,
you're thinking yourself, Yeah, I'm not golfing and drinking all day,
but you know all that stuff that people do behind

(01:18:40):
the scenes that you and I just get in front
of a microphone and we blab and then we do
whatever we do.

Speaker 6 (01:18:44):
You work more.

Speaker 10 (01:18:45):
I don't, but I used to do. I just blab
for two hours and I go and everybody take care
of all the rest. Well, I have to do all
of that now, which is why there's so much of
meat everywhere. And it's just it's crazy, but it's it's
been cool. You can talk about what you want. You
can't really cancel yourself unfortunately, So it's working out. But
I'm excited, and I thought that we would start the

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show with the fact that I didn't mean to blow
you guys off today, and I certainly didn't, but I
know I left you guys sitting in the studio, So
me and you are off to a rough star.

Speaker 6 (01:19:14):
But we'll get through it.

Speaker 2 (01:19:15):
That's all right.

Speaker 1 (01:19:16):
There's been times before when we've been gonna do stuff
and you just totally ignored the phone call. So we're
off to a better start than normal. I mean, as
I tell people to go check out John London, least
you're not just talking to bear stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:19:29):
You're gonna do some national stuff. It's gonna be fun
to listen to and all that.

Speaker 6 (01:19:32):
Right, Yeah, I'm doing it.

Speaker 10 (01:19:34):
I'm going to do more of a national scope than
just the Bay. But you know I'm down here and
so obviously it lends itself to that.

Speaker 6 (01:19:39):
But like this morning, I'll give you a great example.

Speaker 10 (01:19:41):
I know everybody's sick of these guys, but I got
this wild hair because everybody yesterday's pounded because I was
actually nice to the chiefs. I just said, look, at
some point, we just have acknowledge that they're good, like,
you know, the Seahawks were good, and down here the
Warriors were good, and Montana was good. And at some
point you have to realize that that Mahomes is special,
and that and Andy Reid special and Kelsey special, and

(01:20:02):
so all these Niner fans got mad because they've beaten
us or beating the Niners in two Super Bowls. And
so I did this whole thing where it's ok, okay, yeah,
you get the fourth down thing, and I understand the
rep thing. But then I went through because people are
pounding me. I just went to the all twenty two
and did about five plays and I said, well, Buffalo
could have done that. I could to stop that, but
that's you know, low hanging through to the quarterbacks and
the officials. Because again I'm not trying to get too

(01:20:24):
deep into this whole thing, but Damar Hamlin made about
ten atrocious plays in that game. And who would you rather,
you know, who would you rather blame the official or
Damar Hamlin who died on the field. I mean, fans
aren't going to blame Damar Hamlin. But the reality was
Andy Reid the entire game just went after Deamar Hamlin
again and again and again, and the guy missed tackles,

(01:20:46):
was in the wrong position, didn't cover guys like it's
too bad because I like Damar Hamlin. But the reality
is that Andy Reids, that that's the guy we're targeting.

Speaker 2 (01:20:53):
He's a pigeon. Mandamar Hamlin was the pigeon.

Speaker 4 (01:20:57):
Yeah, he was the pigeon.

Speaker 2 (01:20:58):
Let's go after it.

Speaker 10 (01:21:00):
Wants to get Yeah, no love for tomorrow. Nobody wants
to get mad at the bar, and I get it.

Speaker 6 (01:21:04):
But the reality is is that's what they did.

Speaker 10 (01:21:06):
And and we know Patrick Mahomes and we've seen it
a ton of times, and they're really good. And so
all I said was, at some point you just have
to say that and acknowledge. You don't have to love them,
you don't have to like them, you don't have to
be you know, you don't have to download Taylor Swift songs.
But you just have to at some point say they're
pretty good and acknowledge it. And then maybe your life

(01:21:27):
will better because you don't have to be so angry
and bitter.

Speaker 1 (01:21:29):
Okay, wait a second, hang on a second. You you
went to the All twenty two this you are taking it. Listen,
you are taking this new thing serious, man, you you're
all twenty two guy, now, come on.

Speaker 6 (01:21:41):
No, no, So here's what I did.

Speaker 4 (01:21:43):
I didn't.

Speaker 6 (01:21:44):
I didn't do it, and I didn't do it in
this dorky way that's like.

Speaker 4 (01:21:48):
I got my pen out.

Speaker 10 (01:21:49):
No no, no, I only did it so that I
could say, say, look at the field and you see
Tamar Hamblin over there covering like nobody you know.

Speaker 6 (01:21:58):
So it was just plus.

Speaker 10 (01:22:00):
The other thing I learned about YouTube is they get
these copyright strikes against You're like, you stole the CBS
broadcast and it's like, no, I'm giving them free promotion, man,
Like what's.

Speaker 6 (01:22:10):
The rules of that?

Speaker 2 (01:22:11):
But anyway, you're gonna be canceled on like on how many?
How many platforms are you on right now? YouTube? What else?

Speaker 6 (01:22:18):
Everything?

Speaker 2 (01:22:18):
YouTube is stupid.

Speaker 10 (01:22:20):
I do live, I'm live on X and Instagram, like
all this stuff. You have to you have to be everywhere.
The people are like it's over self promotion, even for me,
I mean even for me where it's like you know,
you're self promotion, self promotion, it's like, oh my god,
it's just too much.

Speaker 6 (01:22:34):
I mean, Billy me, it's too much me. I mean,
you called me the other day.

Speaker 4 (01:22:37):
And you're like, dude, like what, we'll stop it? What
are you doing?

Speaker 1 (01:22:41):
You're on twenty four, Steve, Yeah, you're on twenty four.
And well, now I know I get an All twenty
two breakdown from you. I'm gonna go there all the time,
like I want, hey make a note, no more humilling, no.

Speaker 2 (01:22:51):
More X quarterback. We're going to run for our All
twenty two breakdown.

Speaker 10 (01:22:55):
I put Hill into shame man what he played for
watching it in the Patriots.

Speaker 2 (01:23:04):
And all that Cowboys, Uh Broncos played with some guy
named lay pretty good, ache Man pretty good. He learned something,
he learned something along the way, John Lone joining, is
we gonna do this all the time? I did hear
a little bit.

Speaker 1 (01:23:20):
And by the way, when I send you on like
and he says you want feedback, and I send something
like one of those little comments.

Speaker 4 (01:23:25):
I need I need some sort of you.

Speaker 2 (01:23:27):
I need you to like saw you.

Speaker 4 (01:23:29):
I need you to.

Speaker 10 (01:23:30):
Acknowledge it when you come on there though, you're just
trying to be mean and and throw my concentration up.
Just you're saying dirty, you know, you're using you're using
inappropriate language.

Speaker 6 (01:23:40):
And all kind of stuff.

Speaker 10 (01:23:42):
Get me off my Mark.

Speaker 6 (01:23:43):
You know me, I have a d D and I
have all these problems.

Speaker 2 (01:23:46):
How many streams do you have? How many screams do you?

Speaker 10 (01:23:49):
Dude? That's that's the other thing is I've probably got
four or five up and you I think you've done
this too. Is years ago. I used to do game
that on ESPN Radio and they would tell you. The
program director would say, okay, you got to do a
confident talk show, which is hard for me in the
first place. And then there's like ten different screens and
there's ten different games, and in the midst of the
conversation that you're having, you've got to be like, okay,

(01:24:11):
we're talking about you know whatever, we're talking about baseball
this act. And then like Dan Gladden hits a single
the left from Minnesota against Kansas City. In the midst
of your conversation, you have to say, hey, that's a
great point. By the way, Kansas City just again, Gladden
with a single left buildings three to two Kantas City
at the bottom of the seventh anyway, and then you
go back to your conversations. It's like I've already got
add so I've got like all these screens going in

(01:24:31):
front of my face, and it's ridiculous because you have
to have all these chats up.

Speaker 6 (01:24:35):
Oh this guy said, you know, I can't.

Speaker 4 (01:24:37):
Do that right now.

Speaker 1 (01:24:39):
By the way, throwing a Dan Glavin reference out there,
you just aide yourself, Well.

Speaker 6 (01:24:45):
I.

Speaker 10 (01:24:46):
No, I'm just saying like, yeah, you're right back of
the day when I was doing it.

Speaker 6 (01:24:50):
So that was an actual like play that happened. And
then after the show, could you imagine this?

Speaker 10 (01:24:55):
Imagine this After every show, the program director breaks on
your show, So like if you did your show right
now a tremendously high.

Speaker 6 (01:25:04):
Level that you do it.

Speaker 10 (01:25:06):
And then you had to go meet with Rich Moore,
who's great at his job for sure, the program director
at kJ R.

Speaker 6 (01:25:12):
After the show.

Speaker 10 (01:25:13):
He had a list of like ten things you know,
you missed that single in the bottom of the seventh inning,
And it's like, what are you kidding me? Like they
go after like after the show, they break down your show,
like it's like it's reporters coming to your locker after
you screwed.

Speaker 6 (01:25:25):
Up a game. They go to.

Speaker 1 (01:25:28):
It's the radio wall twenty two is what you just said.
I don't want that. I don't want that.

Speaker 10 (01:25:32):
Somebody breaks down your show after the show. It's like,
how about I just go home, Like I go ten
to two, I'm out the door to one, or you
go noon to noon to three.

Speaker 1 (01:25:42):
Well yeah, right, yeah, it's supposed to be temporary. Noon
to three is supposed to be temporary, supposed to be
one to three.

Speaker 2 (01:25:47):
We'll see it.

Speaker 1 (01:25:48):
I'm just hoping Rich isn't listening right now and says,
you know, that's a good idea. I got to start
breaking down all of the in shows.

Speaker 4 (01:25:54):
The problem is he's not going to do that.

Speaker 6 (01:25:55):
That's too much work.

Speaker 1 (01:25:56):
Well, the problem is it's worked for him to well
then you have to listen to my show, and he
doesn't want to do that there, so wow, well he doesn't.

Speaker 2 (01:26:02):
In his defense, he is a PD for like nine stations.

Speaker 6 (01:26:07):
The boss.

Speaker 1 (01:26:08):
Yeah, he's like a lot of it's like yeah, oh yeah.
He oversees like what do we have the Jet, the Cube,
the Monkey, all kinds of stuff. I don't know, a
bunch of other stations. He's got to deal with all
those other people.

Speaker 6 (01:26:21):
But you guys are the ratings and revenue Jet Juggernaut?

Speaker 2 (01:26:23):
Are you not?

Speaker 6 (01:26:24):
Well, we visit your show like pretty much high on
the list there.

Speaker 1 (01:26:27):
Like that's if you're going to talk about a show
that's a soft softy and I tell people that, but
I don't think anybody listening, So uh, we just you
know what.

Speaker 2 (01:26:35):
You just hope the key card works every day. And
I say that to you because some one day didn't.

Speaker 10 (01:26:39):
Right, It's like, yeah, I walked in there, you know
what happened. So everything's great.

Speaker 6 (01:26:45):
Ratings are great, Honestly, the ratings are really good. You
know how this business is.

Speaker 10 (01:26:49):
It's like it's like walking on a high wire and
every three months of ratings but comes out and you
go home to your wife and you go, oh, we're
good for another few months and see how it goes.

Speaker 6 (01:26:57):
So I just get a ratings bonus.

Speaker 10 (01:26:58):
Everything's great, and then the next Monday I go in
and of course at two o'clock they go, oh, the
GM wants.

Speaker 6 (01:27:04):
To see and I'm like, oh, this ain't good the
whole and he goes, yeah, you know, Ray revenue cut.

Speaker 10 (01:27:12):
They're eliminating the position, even though they're not elimiting the
position because the guy that I used to do the
show with your friend and mine, Greg Papa, the voice
of for Eders, he's doing the show with somebody. So
the show wasn't at you know, the position. They tell
me the positions eliminated. I go, what is Greg gonna
sit there by himself and and do the show like
there's you know, there's a twenty two year old kid
in there making four fifteen hour.

Speaker 9 (01:27:32):
You know.

Speaker 6 (01:27:34):
The position was eliminated.

Speaker 2 (01:27:36):
Why you hey, hey, I say, Andrews, Why are you nodding?
Why are you nodding? Right now? That's why are you nodding?

Speaker 6 (01:27:41):
Because he's gonna take Because.

Speaker 10 (01:27:42):
In about six months he's gonna take your job.

Speaker 1 (01:27:44):
I'm right, I could see him. Gears are grinding. Rich
Moore's listening going that whole one thing is such a
good policy, a really good idea.

Speaker 2 (01:27:55):
I could I could do that. I could do that.
I want I want to hit one. I want to
hit one of the A couple of things here real quick.
John Long with us. He'll do this every week as okay, So.

Speaker 6 (01:28:04):
So yeah, go ahead.

Speaker 1 (01:28:05):
What's the what's the reaction down there if any of
Pete Carroll back in the NFL, Because I know that
Pete Carroll was a big topic for a lot of
years down there, Maybe they don't care anymore. But it's
your old team, really, that's your old team, the Raiders, Right,
So what's the reaction.

Speaker 10 (01:28:20):
Yeah, Well, what's interesting is is that before they hired
back Robert Solas the defensive coordinator, there was some speculation
because Pete from the Bay Area, that Pete was going
to come back here and possibly be the defensive coordinator,
which I.

Speaker 6 (01:28:32):
Never bought into.

Speaker 10 (01:28:33):
Pete Carroll on the same staff and Shanahan telling Carol
what to do. I mean, I know I didn't see that,
but you know, I think that people think it's.

Speaker 6 (01:28:43):
An interesting thing. My kid is a Raiders fan because
when we first moved here.

Speaker 10 (01:28:48):
Like he was anti Niners, anti Giants because they were
winning all the time. So he's a huge Raiders fan.
And the first thing he texted me was which is
the only time he texted me when the Raiders do
something or he needs money, yep. And so he texts
me and he goes, this is the worst hire ever
and this is terrible, And I said, well, it's not.
I said, they need a total culture reset. And I
think it's a good hire.

Speaker 4 (01:29:08):
So yeah, I like it.

Speaker 10 (01:29:10):
I don't know that he's going to be successful because
the one thing I do know, I know Mark Davis
really well, and he's a complete idiot. So you know,
this business, both in and out of sports, starts at
the top down. So if you're good, yeah, you know,
it starts at the top, and you're bad, it starts
at the top. And as long as Mark Davis owns
the Raiders, I like Pete.

Speaker 6 (01:29:28):
I think Pete could set the culture there.

Speaker 10 (01:29:30):
But they're going to make dumb decisions because Mark.

Speaker 6 (01:29:32):
Davis makes dumb decisions.

Speaker 10 (01:29:34):
So I feel bad for Pete because he has to
work for Mark Davis, somebody who I had to work
for and.

Speaker 2 (01:29:38):
Yeah, you did, I forget about that.

Speaker 1 (01:29:40):
Yeah, people don't know you work for You work for
that organization for a while and just stuff with them.
That was a gong show in itself. That's what the
car you're holding the car key doesn't work, then that's
that's what you're really Hey, what what is uh?

Speaker 2 (01:29:50):
I mean?

Speaker 1 (01:29:51):
But think about this though, Like that division. I mean,
we're in the NFC West so we can sit there
and watch from the outside. But that division, so you
got Sean Payton, Andy Reid, and then you've got reunited
Harbaugh and Carol over again.

Speaker 2 (01:30:03):
Buddy? Are you kidding me? Well?

Speaker 10 (01:30:06):
You know, and the thing is is that and We
know this because you we've we've talked about this a
lot for a long time. Harbaugh is the most socially
awkward guy you could ever meet in your life, just
really weird. And then and then Carol is like, you know,
air mon ARC's all over the place and just the
nicest you know, he's chomping his gum, and.

Speaker 6 (01:30:24):
He's totally the opposite of it.

Speaker 10 (01:30:26):
So, look, I hope Pete does well, and I think
most people in Seattle would hope that.

Speaker 6 (01:30:31):
Pete did well. Yes, yes, how are you going to
compete in that division? The Raiders don't have any money?
The Raiders.

Speaker 10 (01:30:37):
I mean to give you an example of Mark Davis.
So if you open up most media guides, Like if
you guys got a media guide laying around there, and
you know this, you open it up, and then there's
a whole thing on the owner and all the things
he's accomplished in his life because he's got a massive ego,
and they're like twenty five pages on the Owner and
everything he's ever done. This is no lie. If you
open up the Raiders media guide, there's a picture of

(01:30:58):
Mark Davis and then you and then you go to
the next page and there's nothing.

Speaker 6 (01:31:01):
Because he never had a job.

Speaker 10 (01:31:02):
He ran the Raiders image stores, which is like the sweatshirts,
and that's what he did because this was like get
away from everything. You can't run anything, and so that's
the guy running the operation against the Broncos Chargers.

Speaker 6 (01:31:16):
And Chiefs in that division.

Speaker 10 (01:31:18):
No, I mean Pete had to have no other alternatives. No,
Like Pete had to be like, geez, I'm going to
retire and right off into the sunset, or I'll take
the Raiders job. The Raiders job is the worst job
in sports.

Speaker 1 (01:31:28):
He'll change the culture, he'll change the culture and they'll
win games just because he's Pete. But it's it's I
think you're right. In the long term, there's still that
inherent stint called Marke Gaves. Okay, before I go, you
got a question for me?

Speaker 10 (01:31:39):
What is it? Yeah? I think was that I think
we're going to talk about Pete Carroll. That's the question
I had. I just I just know, I just I
wondered what everybody thought there, because.

Speaker 1 (01:31:48):
I think people were happy. I think people were happy here.
I think people were happy here that he's bad, right,
and I'm right right.

Speaker 5 (01:31:54):
Yeah, Well, especially since it's for a team that you
don't really have to root against.

Speaker 1 (01:31:57):
So I think going to the not if he would
have joined the Niners in any like, like if he
would have gone to forty nine Ers and worked for
dam Shanahan and then all of a sudden, you like,
then all of a sudden, Fred Warner looks like you know,
Bobby Wagner times two, and all this stuff's going on,
you know, all the safety from USC's finally not hurt
and he's like killing people looking like Cam Chancellor like, yeah,
that wouldn't yet. Yeah, that wouldn't have been fun, Like

(01:32:20):
that would have That wouldn't have gone over well at all.

Speaker 6 (01:32:22):
Yeah, I get that.

Speaker 10 (01:32:23):
No, But I mean the older part of your demographic,
which is, you know, you go back to the eighty
three AFC Championship and that kind of stuff, when they
were in the Nancy West and they were rivals, and
that's in you know, Bo Jackson's running over Bosworth at
the Kingdome. I mean, that's that's kind of a different deal.
But it's almost you know, they're so irrelevant because they're
going to finish last in that division and all that
kind of stuff that you know, you don't hate on somebody. Now,

(01:32:44):
if they become a threat, then you don't like him anymore.
But unfortunately for Pete, they're just you know, they're just
not what they were and they're just such a they're
such a mess that you hope Pete is successful. But
last time I checked, I mean, your guy Gardner Minshew
is gone. I mean, they don't have a quarterback and
they're picking six. I mean, it's like, you gotta be
kidding me, brutal.

Speaker 2 (01:33:06):
All right, let's do this. Tell people. I want our listeners.
I want somebody our listeners. I want you on Tomoral.
What time are you on, like eight o'clock in the morning, right.

Speaker 6 (01:33:17):
Good morning?

Speaker 10 (01:33:17):
And then all day long.

Speaker 1 (01:33:18):
You know, I never stopped go to John London leash,
and I want people firing off some comments to him,
like and whatever fashion you can, you know, just let
him know you're there.

Speaker 2 (01:33:29):
Get him off his game. He's easily distracted.

Speaker 7 (01:33:32):
Just do that.

Speaker 1 (01:33:33):
Say hey it's Seattle here, we're messing. Like, just go
ahead and mess with him, fire away on all those platforms.

Speaker 6 (01:33:41):
I think that's a.

Speaker 10 (01:33:41):
Good idea because what's happening here is I build this
community and they're like, oh man, you have what you're
saying is great. Oh you're so smart, and now you're
this and that, and I need, you know, I need
the other side of it because it's it is throwing
that part of it's throwing me off my game because
you know me normally, what it is is you're an idiot,
You're what are you talking about?

Speaker 1 (01:33:59):
And all that kind of Well, yeah, because people have
to It's not like it's not like you're on the flame.
It's not like you're on the flamethrower. That is can
be are if you're on cambr They're like, okay, I
have to listen to one right now. There, I have
to listen to one right now because that's the sports
radio station. He is on the time slot I'm listening to.
They were forced to listen to you. Now, if the

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people are going to this John London least thing, they're
going there, why because they want to go there. That's
a whole different ballgame.

Speaker 2 (01:34:27):
Yeah. So they're all people that are going to kiss
your ass and go, oh, well and you're this You're
the best.

Speaker 6 (01:34:31):
Sports talking I ever.

Speaker 2 (01:34:32):
Oh that's great.

Speaker 1 (01:34:33):
So I'm what I'm saying is I want my listeners
up in Seattle to go track you down and and
bring you back down to earth a little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:34:40):
All right, that's what we do.

Speaker 6 (01:34:41):
All right, They're right because the people have that's what
they do is they just say it's like, oh, this
is great.

Speaker 10 (01:34:46):
You know, you're talking various sports and this and that,
and then like you said, you have the dissenters that
are like, all right, man, let's bring you back to
on earth because that's really what I'm used to.

Speaker 6 (01:34:53):
You don't have that text line work.

Speaker 2 (01:34:55):
I just I just glanced at it money. I just
glanced at it at it.

Speaker 6 (01:35:00):
And tell you what an idiot you are. And they
don't have it. There's no recourse for them.

Speaker 1 (01:35:04):
You almost you almost swark. You almost s work because
you can do that in your little podcast, didn't you?
You almost puss?

Speaker 6 (01:35:09):
No, No, pure is the driven snow, my friend.

Speaker 10 (01:35:13):
You know how this works when you've been when you've
not been cursing for for twenty five thirty years like
you and I have been doing, even though we had
like very young men and are certainly in that kind
of shape and all for sure, all that stuff, it's weird,
like I don't do it really because I could, but
it's just it's like my brain is conditioned. Like if
I'm off the air and you're I know, you're the
same way, F this, F that, F this that, and

(01:35:35):
then you get in front of a microphone and I
don't know why it happens that way, but I never
like I would, I never. I've never even slipped and
uh and it's the same way like people tell me.
I get that all the time, like people will text
or you know whatever, and the way that they give
you feedback and.

Speaker 6 (01:35:49):
Come on say it. I'm like, I'm not going to
say it, like I'm not like, I'm just not conditioned
to do it. It's awkward.

Speaker 2 (01:35:54):
I did last When did I do that? Andrews? I
did that recently. I screwed up recently and did that
first time. I've never done it. Maybe you were dere Anders. Yeah,
I don't know what I was doing.

Speaker 4 (01:36:01):
It was just it was a what you just were
you just.

Speaker 10 (01:36:03):
Really upset about something like so you're mad at somebody
or something, and it put.

Speaker 2 (01:36:08):
I don't know, I just slipped out. Yeah, I don't
even know.

Speaker 4 (01:36:10):
Why.

Speaker 2 (01:36:10):
Are you the reason why I got that thing about it?

Speaker 8 (01:36:12):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:36:13):
Actually, and the reason we got that thing from my
heart today? Yeah? Probably a yeah, yeah, it's that's probably
it slipped.

Speaker 6 (01:36:20):
Did just look like a like an F or No,
I think it was.

Speaker 2 (01:36:23):
I think it was the one that rhymes with hit,
so yeah, I think that was the one. I think
that was the one.

Speaker 9 (01:36:30):
I think.

Speaker 7 (01:36:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:36:32):
I don't even know how or why, but it did happened.
And you know, we have the dumb button. Mine doesn't
work in here, so it wasn't really.

Speaker 2 (01:36:39):
Yeah, it was good.

Speaker 10 (01:36:41):
Somebody has to be paying attention to you, and not
many people pay attention to you. I look at it,
are in there screwing around and you're trying to point
at him, and.

Speaker 1 (01:36:49):
They're like, what I wasn't listening to because because Andrews
is in there going only a second, So one got turfed.

Speaker 2 (01:36:54):
It can be on hmm.

Speaker 1 (01:36:58):
I need to go talk to Purple Sheet later on
today and see what's up man, because this whole Ian thing's.

Speaker 2 (01:37:02):
Not working right now.

Speaker 10 (01:37:04):
Tell just tell anders Man, just look at the bottom line.
Look at what furnace is cost. We could really cut
that low.

Speaker 1 (01:37:12):
We're going to go for We'll go from five to
fifty an hour to four to fifteen an hour. Imagine
the savings. Imagine the savings. I gotta get ready because
I got to go work by demo down. Yeah, I
gotta work my second job here there. I got to
work my second job here about an hour or so.

Speaker 6 (01:37:26):
You know, you're good. Your hockey knowledge top notch.

Speaker 2 (01:37:30):
I appreciate that you haven't seen what you have seen
one second. You haven't seen one second of it. But thanks,
all right, I remember back in the day, I know
you're hockey not hey. Next week, I want to get
you on. I want to talk next week. I want
to compare one thing, and you brought this up on
your show and didn't be fun. Next week, I'm going
to compare the Chiefs, the Warriors, and a team that
we both saw back in the nineties, the Bulls. All right,

(01:37:50):
I'm gonna do that next week with you because I
think your perspective will be good, John London.

Speaker 10 (01:37:55):
And we got lots of New Orleans stories, by the way,
lots of New Orleans stories next week.

Speaker 1 (01:37:58):
I love it, all right, John London, Lee, uh seettle
go in there and tell him how how much he
sucks and how much you hate the Niners, and you'll
running a bunch of guys like nine or eight. You know,
do that Tomorrow morning. I will talk to you next week.
I'll see you. That's John Lenz. I'm exhausted, absolutely exhausted
after that. A ton of fun though. We'll take a
quick break, come back with more. All we head up

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the Queen Anne beer Hall, just up the streets, Dave,
very dramatic music.

Speaker 4 (01:38:34):
New music.

Speaker 1 (01:38:35):
It's you know, it's you know how it works. It's
the supposed to jump on a horse or what I'll be.
I'll be honest with you. I didn't know where we're back.
I wasn't used to the new I was looking around.

Speaker 2 (01:38:46):
What are we doing? Oh hey, new music? How about that? There?
You go, jump on your horse and head on out.

Speaker 4 (01:38:53):
I haven't written horse in ten years. We have to horses.

Speaker 2 (01:38:57):
I was just I was just gonna say, you're not
allowed or what.

Speaker 4 (01:39:00):
I don't want to no desire, are you afraid?

Speaker 10 (01:39:03):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (01:39:03):
I would be too verty much so I would be too.
I don't believe you.

Speaker 4 (01:39:06):
Ever sit on top of a two thousand pound animal.

Speaker 2 (01:39:09):
But no desire, No, don't do it man, no desire whatsoever. Yeah,
so how afraid of they're.

Speaker 4 (01:39:17):
Being off and breaking my freaking neck kidding me?

Speaker 8 (01:39:19):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:39:20):
No it's not easy, man, No, no, no chance, not
easy to control.

Speaker 8 (01:39:24):
No chance, you know what you're doing.

Speaker 4 (01:39:26):
I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:39:27):
Are you a horse?

Speaker 6 (01:39:28):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:39:28):
I just oh, I thought you were a couple of times.

Speaker 4 (01:39:30):
I got to be totally honest with you. Can I
be honest with you? And I just admit something? Right here?
I thought that voice was Jessamins.

Speaker 2 (01:39:39):
Wow, Wow, yours?

Speaker 4 (01:39:42):
I'm sorry? Are you have you got your bar us
for yet?

Speaker 2 (01:39:44):
By the way, No, no, I still have yet to
hit you. That's brutal.

Speaker 4 (01:39:49):
What's the big deal?

Speaker 6 (01:39:51):
Sorry?

Speaker 4 (01:39:51):
I thought Jessamon was there and that was her talk.

Speaker 2 (01:39:54):
No, she's she's long. Do you want us to call
her and have her come on with you?

Speaker 4 (01:39:58):
No, I'm good.

Speaker 2 (01:39:59):
Do you miss her too?

Speaker 7 (01:40:00):
So?

Speaker 2 (01:40:01):
So you guys got a little uh little quean beer
all time today with this we're here.

Speaker 4 (01:40:04):
Right now and they got this cool Lunar New Year
Year of the Snake menu, Lunar wings, honey, walnuts, shrimp.
They have a East Meast meat. Ye say this five times?
Real fast East meets West. Actually say that five times.

Speaker 2 (01:40:20):
I can't. I'll swear you get to drop East meats
West East meats. West's fast enough? Oh that's fast.

Speaker 4 (01:40:27):
East meats West East meats. It's like Arnold Palmer. You
can't say it five times real fast.

Speaker 6 (01:40:31):
No way.

Speaker 4 (01:40:32):
They got a East meets West Burger of the Month,
which I guess is a general So's burger. Is it
So's or souths? I think it sows right, Dick says, sos,
what do you know? You're from Maple Valley?

Speaker 2 (01:40:45):
You know I'm not from Mamo, from Canada?

Speaker 4 (01:40:48):
You know nothing even worse? Uh fried chicken, sandwich, honey walnut,
shrimp po boy. Yeah, cool stuff. We're here with cracking
rum man and uh, I don't know man getting ready
for enersy game.

Speaker 6 (01:40:58):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:40:59):
Anders wanted to come up and see you and get
some food. Will you feed them up?

Speaker 10 (01:41:01):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (01:41:02):
Right, we take care of them. Well, take care of
our guy after you insulted him earlier.

Speaker 4 (01:41:05):
Yes, insalt Comparing your your voice to Jessamin McIntyres is
not an insult.

Speaker 1 (01:41:12):
Someone laughing after. Yes, someone's insulted. I don't know if
it's Andrews or Jessaman, but someone got insulty.

Speaker 4 (01:41:18):
The one that's insulted, not not Andrew. Maybe I should
buy her a drink for crying out. Yes, Andrews, get
your bony ass up here and I'll buy your lunch.

Speaker 6 (01:41:24):
Look at that.

Speaker 2 (01:41:25):
Huh, look at that? Look at that? Look at that?
All right? All right?

Speaker 4 (01:41:28):
What else?

Speaker 2 (01:41:29):
What's on? What's in your mind? How the way can
we insult Andrews today? I don't know. We're not gonna
We're gonna move on from you, buddy, We're gonna move on.

Speaker 4 (01:41:34):
I got a lot of ways. So you know, what
the hell of an idea? When do you turn?

Speaker 7 (01:41:38):
Like?

Speaker 4 (01:41:38):
Uh, are you thirty yet?

Speaker 2 (01:41:39):
By the way, no, twenty seven?

Speaker 4 (01:41:41):
Okay, so maybe if you're thirtieth, we'll do a roast
and just make some stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:41:44):
I like that, really, Yeah, you'd like that?

Speaker 8 (01:41:47):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:41:47):
Yeah, talking about how Jackson really hates your guts behind
the scenes. Yeah, insults, you rips on, your criticize all
the time. Well, he's gonna getting tired of Dick's getting
tired of it to you guys, gonna defend.

Speaker 1 (01:41:58):
Me then we try. Man, He's he's gonna be really upset.
Now if you heard jack if he's if he heard
anders earlier today, then he can't get into the MLS
because it's not the highest level of soccer.

Speaker 2 (01:42:09):
He's gonna lose his mind. Yeah, he's gonna lose his mind.

Speaker 4 (01:42:12):
What's on my mind today? I don't know. Apparently Hugh
Mallon said that you can win a championship with Geno Smith.

Speaker 2 (01:42:17):
But there's but if you listen carefully, there's a lot
of other things to that like.

Speaker 4 (01:42:21):
Which is kind of like a BS thing by Millan
to say on the air, to be well, hell, if
you give him this and you give him that, and
you give him this and you give him that, well,
no kidding you. I mean the Ravens won with Tony
Banks and Trent Dilfer, for God's sake, the Buccaneers won
a title with Brad Frickin Johnson.

Speaker 2 (01:42:41):
Well, how good is Jalen having defense?

Speaker 4 (01:42:43):
So the number one offensive line in football and maybe
the best running back in the life, then you can win.

Speaker 2 (01:42:47):
It's Jalen Hurts right, Okay, Jalen Hurts is okay, And
they can win, right because they've got Barkley in that defense.

Speaker 4 (01:42:56):
That's I'm gonna call me any second text guaranteed. The
minute this segment's over, the five minutes between this segment
ending and our show is starting, I'm getting a phone
call and Hugh, without doubt.

Speaker 2 (01:43:07):
Let the record show that I try to defend you.

Speaker 4 (01:43:11):
David, listen to me. You need to understand, David. Listen, listen,
you need to understand, and then he'll talk for an hour.

Speaker 2 (01:43:19):
That almost that almost sounds like Benton David. David, David.

Speaker 4 (01:43:23):
You know, there's one time I had an hour long
conversation with he when I hung up on him five times,
I caught him back. He had no idea. Oh god,
I'm kidding, I'm kidding, I don't know whatever. Oh my god,
Chinese food and beer and cracking room. What do you want?

Speaker 2 (01:43:41):
Well, you know that's actually not a bad deal.

Speaker 4 (01:43:43):
Huh opens up to a much bigger audience as well.

Speaker 2 (01:43:46):
Right, Yeah, I like the fact that Juice has got
his branched out.

Speaker 4 (01:43:50):
It's not just here, by the way, he's in Portland
doing something down there, opening up a new donut shop
or whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:43:56):
He's doing the Portland Beer Hall, that's right.

Speaker 9 (01:43:59):
What will be in?

Speaker 1 (01:44:00):
What will they What will they serve at the Portland
Beer Hall? Vegetarian for sure, one hundred percent for vegetarian.

Speaker 4 (01:44:05):
All gluten free.

Speaker 2 (01:44:06):
Yeah, I can't make fun of that. My daughters gonna
see x we I'll just say this, I'll do this.

Speaker 1 (01:44:10):
It'll be vegetarian, yeah, and alcohol free, no alcohol and
no meat.

Speaker 6 (01:44:16):
The night.

Speaker 4 (01:44:16):
When they close down, it becomes a shelter. Okay, did
I say that out loud?

Speaker 2 (01:44:21):
Byrowing?

Speaker 1 (01:44:21):
Bring your blue tarps park out front? All right, neo friendly,
What do you got today?

Speaker 4 (01:44:27):
Fella? Jim Bowden's gonna join us. I talked to him
off the air, by the way, the former GM. He
is good and pissed about what the Mariners have done
over the off season. By the way, wait a second,
like good and pissed.

Speaker 2 (01:44:37):
Yeah, but they haven't done anything.

Speaker 4 (01:44:38):
Well that's my point, insulted. So he'll join us at
four o'clock. You're a Mariner fan. You're not gonna want
to miss it. John Wilder at five Everett fits you.
I don't know if man that's right, the old radio
guy who's now the TV guy for the crack, And
he'll join us at five six? What time? Six fifteen
before the crack and take on the ducks. And then
Dick and I are heading up there. Are you working

(01:44:58):
the night? By the way, but you're t job.

Speaker 2 (01:45:01):
I don't want you up there. Leave me alone, Okay,
I'm coming by.

Speaker 4 (01:45:05):
At you all right, I see you, I see you.

Speaker 2 (01:45:07):
For the mild mannered and marginally objectionable in forness. This
is Paddled Day, saying so long everyone,