Furness Show 12-1: Hugh Millen, Mike Sando, Lane Kiffin Fallout

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
You're home for the twelfth Man in the NFL.

Speaker 2 (00:03):
Proudley presents Hardcore Football with Hugh Millon, brought to you
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you with Ian Forness on Sports Radio ninety three point
three kJ R FM.

Speaker 3 (00:21):
Hardcore Football with Hugh Millon right now. I heard a rumor.
I saw the video. Hugh was on a plane on
a tarmac. His family had two other radio stations and
shows across the country. But you know what, Unlike some people,
this guy is with us. He said, no, I'm staying
at KJR. I'm staying to finish the job. I'm a
nine and three Seahawks team. Hardcore football with Ian, Monday

(00:43):
Morning Quarterback with Chuck and Bucky Moore at four with Softy.
He's staying. He got off that private jet plane. He's
here with us right now. How are you.

Speaker 1 (00:51):
I'm doing good?

Speaker 4 (00:52):
Yeah, all this turnover, it's it's man.

Speaker 1 (00:56):
We could do a whole hour on that.

Speaker 4 (00:58):
But you know, look, there's a number of things that
Lane Kiffin got wrong, but I do think it's worth
noting that most all of us just okay, raise your
hand right now. If whatever industry you're in. Think of
think of the the company that's your number one competitor,

(01:19):
or maybe you have five competitors. If if one of
those companies that's one of your competitors comes to you
and gives you more money and a substantial opportunity, opportunity
to do much better and make a lot more money
in the future, how many of you are not doing that? Yeah,

(01:41):
after you've been with your company six years, right, and
you've earned the right to to upgrade to a better company.

Speaker 1 (01:47):
I think that.

Speaker 3 (01:48):
I think that part of it, Hugh, is is the
no brainer part of it. I think I don't think
a lot of people I think you think that. Yeah,
I think that, but I think a lot of people
are really really jumping. Uh you know, I think I
guess what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (02:01):
Is we should really singularly focus on what it is
that we find objectionable about what has transpired there.

Speaker 1 (02:10):
That's just my take.

Speaker 3 (02:10):
I think I think the I think there's a lot
of problems, but as you lay it out, I think
that that's one of those things that you know, for
the most part, I mean, listen, if you have all
those opportunities, and whether it's for an extra ten thousand
dollars a year or an extra four million dollars a year.
You know, it's it's you have to look at that
better job situation, better better company, so to speak, and

(02:31):
what have you. The weird to me, the inherent problem
is just is just how the sport's set up right now,
like in terms of the calendar and how it's working
and how it you know, the fact that you know
this takes place, you know, like not a lot of
other professions like you brought up, Like if it was me,
and I'll use that for now, Like if if someone said, hey,

(02:52):
Ian called the play by play for the cracking game
three weeks ago, and he's did, He's did the second
game after that. I hadn't heard him do play by
play before filling in for John four. And we're a
team or the team in wherever, uh North Dakota's and
NHL team. We'll just use that for an example. And
they said, hey, do you want to come work for us?
Like right now today in the middle of hockey Seaton.
I could not do that. I have a contract. I

(03:14):
could not do that. These contracts that college football coaches
have are different than a lot of walks.

Speaker 1 (03:19):
I could not do that. You contractually could not do it.

Speaker 3 (03:22):
Contractually, I could not do that. No, I can't. Okay,
I could not. Good that might have.

Speaker 4 (03:25):
Been that might have been interpreted as morally, I could
not allow myself to do it.

Speaker 3 (03:30):
I wouldn't leave the crack either. But yeah, that's not
what you're saying, right, saying contractually, contractually, I could not
do that. Like, we have a salesperson that's on our
staff that just closed a big deal a second ago.
Everyone's out there cheering and getting shout out that's awesome.
If if our competitor across street called him right now today,
he'd have to wait for six months before he could
work for the minimum. So to me, inherently the problem

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is and college football doesn't want to change it because
they don't the coaches and those the power brokers in
charge don't want to change it. But there's not a
lot of walks of life, especially once you that make
they're talking about, like the millions of dollars these guys
are making where you can just cross the street and
go to a competitor the next day, Like, there's not
a lot that you can do that with. Most of
us have non competes in those types of roles and
we're not making millions, that's for damn sure. But like

(04:15):
I'm like I'm saying, I'm just I'll take the radio
out of it and just use the hockey. If that happened,
I would have to wait till the end of the year,
and even then I'd have to get out of a contract.
It's more than one year. And you know, probably I could.
You know, probably they'd say, yeah, you know, what better opportunity,
go for it. But there's a chance they would say, no,
you signed a contract and you need to fulfill it.
So I do I blame a guy for taking a

(04:35):
better job, as you laid it out. No, I blame
the system. I blame the calendar, I blame a lot
of things. That's exactly my take. Yeah, I think that's
I think that's the issue. So you know, I listen,
I'm curious about this. I know we'll get to sex
and second they won twenty six to nothing. We'll get
to that in a second. I think this because your
your insights, I think is important. For this reason. You
have two sons to play division on college football, and

(04:58):
I believe had gosh, I want to say between the
two of them, probably almost a half dozen coaching changes
right during their course of their tenure. It feels like
they had a lot from what I understand lot. Yeah,
it's it's it's vastly different. Yeah, if we're hitting it
through different lenses. Yeah, and that's I guess My question
is because you know, if if one of your sons
commits to I think somebody committed to Arizona, somebody committed Northwestern,

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somebody committed to you know, back and forth, and then
the coaching change happens, and you're like whoa or you're
there and a coaching change happens. As a dad, you know,
what were your thoughts when those things took place? Because
I'd be bummed out, I you know, I know you
don't you know, it's hard.

Speaker 1 (05:33):
You know.

Speaker 4 (05:33):
I don't think I was ever bitter about it. I
just thought, Okay, that's the that's the climate. That yeah,
that's how it takes place. And I think moreover, when
I watch all these I think there are some similarities
with when I was a player rep in the NFL
for for ten years, right and for representing different teams

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and prior to the Internet, I had to I had
to kind of apprize myself of the relevant laws. And
you know, I went the old fashioned way. I went
to the library and read about anti trust law and
labor law and whatever you try and get a wrap on. Okay,
what are the relevant laws that apply to you know,
we were trying to go on strike. We did go

(06:18):
on strike in nineteen eighty seven to an acquire free
agency had to decertify as a union so that the
anti trust laws would supersede the labor laws as opposed
to the other way around. And like I mean, it's
a whole process. We don't get into details, but I
guess what it informed me is that a lot of

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what you see is is that we have an economics system.
And you know, the Supreme Court looked at Austin versus
the NCAAA in twenty twenty one, and you know, the
lower courts ruled against the NCAA, and then and then
the appellate court against the NCAA, and then finally the
NCAA was stupid enough to take it to the Supreme

(07:01):
Court where they lost nine to nothing. And in each
and every turn, the courts look at college football just
like another business, and and the players are the labor
and UH, so you cannot horizontally conspire to suppress wages.

(07:21):
Uh And and the analogy that they used the court
that they would be like a restaurant, a bunch of
restaurant owners in a community. They conspire to suppress the
wages of the chefs. And their defense, uh while they're
violating anti trust court is that the patrons at the restaurant,
they go to those restaurants and they only go knowing

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that the chefs are are having their wages suppressed. And
that's the reason why they go because that's the amateurism
argument in college football. So so you see how the
when analyzed as a business construct the courts that again
nine to nothing. This is no liberal court by the
way that that they they just look at us.

Speaker 1 (08:09):
Okay, this isn't enyity.

Speaker 4 (08:11):
So the freedom that we all enjoy uh in a
free market, we have freedoms of movement. If you own
a business, if you are an employee, when you go
to the supermarket, all the the options that you have
for every uh item, all of those are are components
of a system that is designed to have competition. And

(08:35):
so okay, how does that apply? So when you to
sit here, you want to say, well, let's let's let's
put constraints on the coaches or the players, like a
lot of fans want. You just say, Okay, that sounds
well and good, but that's going to run a foul
with the anti trust laws and and it's called restrain

(08:55):
a trade as we know, and that just mad. Basically,
the courts are like they're they're egoized, and they're saying, hey,
if I see anything that's anti competitive, you know, I'm
eager to strike that down and say that's illegal, because
that's the benefit that all Americans get.

Speaker 3 (09:11):
But if you're if Mike McDonald got approached by Jerry
Jones and was offered five million dollars more a year today,
he couldn't take that job.

Speaker 4 (09:18):
Agreed to that, And that's where the contracts and the system,
the calendar of when these guys can move yep, just
has to be addressed.

Speaker 3 (09:28):
It has to be you know who you know who
came up with a great idea. I thought, of all people,
you might know him, Dave Maller. I'm gonna read this.
I'm sure you guys will talk about it more for
but college football needs to adopt a carbon copy of
the NFL calendar. Free agency Transferportal opens in March. No
contact allowed directly or indirectly with players and other rosters
until then, Draft signing Day in April. No need for
coaches to quit in December to save a class at

(09:50):
their next stop. You're welcome. That's from Softy now.

Speaker 4 (09:53):
And I would add to that, do away with springball,
yes that that that doesn't yes, yes, with the calendar,
and and then have kind of like o t as
you know, have allowed for some form of of of
structure in June. Then you take a break and then
you come back for training camp because you know, because

(10:14):
because the calendar, what happens in the transfer portal some
some schools are on a semester system.

Speaker 1 (10:19):
Some are on a quarter system. So so those who.

Speaker 4 (10:22):
Are on a quarter system, you have to be in class,
you know, you know, January fifth. Others you know you're
you're not in class to the end of January. Well,
now if you want to transfer in uh and and
you know, get the credits that you need. You know,
it's just a mess uh as it tries to align
with the football calendar. And and yet you know you're

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not going to have schools that are going to overhaul.

Speaker 1 (10:49):
Their academic calendar on account of a football no.

Speaker 3 (10:51):
And the and the point you bring up about spring ball,
that's the only reason that that we are doing this
right now is because the coaches and you know, they
want they want people enrolled for as you said, whether
it's a winter quarter, spring quarter, semester, what have you,
they want them enrolled. They need to have them enroll
for that by that time so they can be eligible
to participate in spring football. And what you said is

(11:13):
one hundred spring football is worth. Here's the thing. You
know this again because you had kids that were D
one kids. Those kids are on campus year round anyway,
like like they could they could so the season, so
the semester's over or quarters over, and you're out for
the quote unquote summer. That's when you have a two
week whatever you want to call it, spring football, summer football.

Speaker 1 (11:32):
That's kind of a joke.

Speaker 4 (11:33):
Yeah, that's that's funny that that people would think that
that's a thing, right because you get like four days
and then you know you're back and you have to
you have to show up at five six in the morning,
lift weights, do all the conditioning. Uh, you're you're doing
a player run practices. Uh, you know, seven on seven

(11:53):
and all that, but you're you're absolutely expected to be there. Yeah,
it's so I don't know why you.

Speaker 1 (11:58):
Days off and fourth of July and hey, get your aspect.

Speaker 3 (12:01):
You're there, Yeah, you're there. I don't And honestly, it
happens at all levels, to be honest with you, of
football and basketball, volleyball, doesn't matter what the sports, soccer,
it's every one of those sports are there all summer
and that's what those kids are doing. And it's a
full time job, you know. Instead you're practicing in March.
And I always thought it was funny anyway, Hugh, Like
you're like our two schools, Like our guys are practicing

(12:21):
in you know, end of March early April and it's
snowing half the time. Like what are you getting out
of that? Nothing? You know, like it's you know, was
it Washington's practicing in the rain then they have to
move inside. It's like, come on, just I don't know.
It used to be like some of those spring games
where a big deal. I get it. And maybe they
are for some places, right, maybe they are for some places,
But yeah, I think there's a better way, and I
think it's I think it goes back to the calendar,

(12:42):
and then if you are going to change coaches, then
you've got that time to do so it's after a
season ends. It's just it's it's goody. I guess there
are reports that that that Ole miss offered him the
identical money, but you know, we know it's more than
money at some point too. It's just it's a it's
it's weird. It's it's I feel I feel bad for
the guy. I feel bad for the kids at Mississippi,

(13:02):
you know, like that's what I feel bad for. I mean,
our our school on a very much lower level, like
really lower level, has gone through that a couple times,
losing coordinators and head coaches before bowl games. Now they're
playing in worthless bowl games. I get it. But watching
our offensive line coach call plays two years ago and
Clay Maguire, good dude, having a great success at Texas Tech,
it was a joke, like an absolute joke. Yeah, Like

(13:23):
I mean, it was just it was embarrassing, like he's
calling he'd never done that before, he's an offensive line coach.
I mean, hopefully my kids.

Speaker 4 (13:28):
Will think in Mississippi. I think if let's say you
were as passionate about Mississippi as I am for Washington.
You are for Washington State. Just just close your eyes
and just imagine you're a hardcore rebel. Right, yep, you
if you're old enough, you can remember a hell of
a period of time. You know, arch Manning and et cetera.

(13:50):
For twenty years they were They finished in the top
ten eight years during the decade of the fifties and sixties,
the last time being nineteen sixty nine. The last time
that they finished in the top ten from nineteen sixty
nine was two years ago, obviously with Lane Kiffin. So
now you have this essentially, you know, call it a revitalization.

(14:13):
I don't know, it's just this upsurge of interest in
in Ole miss football. And then now you're going into
the playoffs and the entire offensive staff might who's calling it? Like,
how are you going to formulate a game plan? Yeah,
that's it. It's just it's yeah, you know the system.

(14:33):
But then the reason I made mention of the anti
trust laws is as soon as you think that that
you have a remedy, just make sure you run it
through that anti trust filter, because there's a lot of
things that you might say, Okay, that makes common sense.
It's going to be interpreted as anti competitive and it's
going to be strict down as illegal.

Speaker 3 (14:53):
So yeah, it's it's it's there's got to be a
better way, Hugh. Honestly, there's just got to be a
better way right now. And I again, like, these guys
work your ass off all year and you're you're you're
a playoff team, which is the goal. Like, that's a
huge deal, and it's it's a big deal for anybody
unless you're just Georgia and you get there every year.
Ohio State, I guess, but I mean it's a big
it's a big damn deal. And now you're left in

(15:17):
just a shell of your former self as as a
football team. And I think that's and then you go
back and they're gonna go the boosters will be asked
for more money. Hey, you got to pay more money
than they're like, well, what difference does it make. It
doesn't matter. I can pay you all the money in
the world. He's probably gonna Takechambles the quarterback with them, right,
it doesn't matter.

Speaker 4 (15:32):
Like all those guys are going to tap out of
the boat of the That'll be an interesting because of
the interesting Yeah, that'll be the interesting dynamic here is
is you know, you know he's going to want to
take players with him.

Speaker 3 (15:43):
That always happens. How many of those guys leave, how
many of those guys participate in the bowl game? Can
they retain them? And you know then they pulled the
old we're gonna name the infrom coach our head coach,
the old Dan Wilson move, very Mariner like. So we'll see,
uh with a guy that didn't have a lot of
success down an all.

Speaker 4 (15:58):
Remember both Sam Becker ian yep, with the basketball team,
both Sam Beckler, Yeah, Michigan all that stuff had been
the ad.

Speaker 1 (16:06):
Yeah, and uh who was the coach?

Speaker 3 (16:09):
It was Steve Fisher ended up taking the job. Who
left I'll think of it in a second. Fisher took
the job? Yeah, yeah, yeah, So the other guy went
to Arizona State.

Speaker 4 (16:19):
So Michigan's had basketball coach goes Arizona State before the
NCAA tournament, and he had said that he wanted to coach,
much like Lane Kiffin is saying that he wanted to coach,
and both Sam Beckler now the ad famously said no,
I want a Michigan man coaching my Michigan team. And
so he put in the assistant coach, Steve Fisher. Now

(16:39):
that the different and they won the title. Yeah, yep, yep.
You know you have to win six games, obviously, you
have to six and oh to uh to win that title.

Speaker 1 (16:48):
They did it.

Speaker 4 (16:49):
But they had all the players right, so it was
and you know, you had a guy, you know, who
could coach in the system. And and so the the
blow to Michigan basketball, uh, versus the blow that apparently
is going to be incurred by Mississippi, it's just not
even comparison what Mississippi is gonna Yeah, you know, it's

(17:10):
like getting the difference between getting hit by a bicycle
and getting hit by a semi Yeah.

Speaker 3 (17:16):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 4 (17:17):
Built it was Freer, Bill Freer, Bill Freeder. Yeah, so
he yep, yep, I remember that. That's all the reason
why we remember Bill Frieder's because he's the guy that
got that left.

Speaker 3 (17:27):
Yeah, Bill, Bill Freer left and Steve Fisher led him
to the title in nineteen eighty nine. And now also
different too because transferring, that was just a couple of
years after you finished at Washington, transferring and going to
a different school when you were a college student athlete
back then was a lot harder, was it not. It
was very hard. You had to sit out a year,
and all those he had, he had to sit out
a year.

Speaker 4 (17:46):
And I will say this, you know, I think for
a long I think people are coming around to the
double standard, you know, because for there was a period
there where I think everybody, everybody's ire was directed at
the players. Oh, these are selfish, they they they don't
have the commitment. And well, I'll tell you who else

(18:06):
doesn't have the commitment. And we're learning about that is
the coaches.

Speaker 5 (18:11):
You know.

Speaker 4 (18:11):
For example, when when my kid was getting recruited by Oregon,
it's like, okay, you'll be the only quarterback in the class.
You can have justin Herbert, who's gonna play his last year.
Obviously he's the guy, yep. And then in the spring
you'll be competing with Tyler Shuck and then whatever quarterback
is in the class behind you, full stop like that's

(18:34):
it right, And then they they they recruit a guy
named Anthony Brown after Herbert, Anthony Brett.

Speaker 1 (18:44):
He had started three years at Boston College.

Speaker 4 (18:46):
He's throwing like forty eight touchdowns in the ACC and
now all of a sudden, all the reps that they promised,
you know, my kid going into his second year is
recherd freshman year, all those those reps that were promise
zero no, no. They Anthony Brown and then and Anthony
Brown and Tyler Shuck, who's quarterback in the Saints. They

(19:08):
kind of compared notes and at the exact same time
they were telling Tyler Shuck, dude, you're gonna be a
Rose Bowl MVP, they were also telling Anthony Brown, You're
gonna be the Rose Bowl MVP, and so and so.
I know this having played for Washington all of us quarterbacks.
We could look at the quarterbacks on the roster and

(19:28):
we could say, my path to the field is I
gotta beat out Chris Chandler. My path to the field
is you know, I gotta be beat out uh, you
know brock Hewart what and and everybody could see that,
and and Don James would look. He would tell his staff,
He'd say, hey, guys, we have to identify and recruit

(19:50):
and land and develop quarterbacks because on average that we're
going to have a new starter every other year who's
gonna take his very first snap and it might be
a conference game. Yep, Like Billy Joe Hobert's first start
was at Stanford. Right, it might be a conference game,
and we just that's the process we have to do.
Coaches didn't think about the portal. So while we're dumping

(20:11):
on the players that they're different, let's also understand the
coaches are different too, and they look at the porter
and they're constantly looking, hey, how can I replace my guy?

Speaker 1 (20:22):
So so.

Speaker 4 (20:25):
My summary on that is go ahead and say that
the players are are spoiled and entitled in that way
and they don't have the fortitude that they once did. Well,
neither do the coaches.

Speaker 3 (20:38):
No one, All right, we'll get to see Hawks a
hardcore football coming up next with you.

Speaker 6 (20:47):
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Speaker 3 (21:02):
Seahawks win twenty six nothing over the Minnesota Vikings, getting
a nice shutout win over Minnesota at home. Seattle now
improves a nine and three on the season, very much
headed for a playoff Perth. The question is will they
win the West nice peag shout out to our friends
the Carolina Panthers. You big thank you to Dave can Allis,
former Seahawks assistant coach, and the Panthers for getting the

(21:25):
winner of the Rams yesterday. Thank you very much. Lots
of stuff to get to. Let me let me start
with something good and that would be h I mean,
Ernest Jones is okay. Yesterday A couple interceptions one eighty
five yard return in the second quarter make it a
ten to three game. It looked like just a quarterback
getting pressured and making a bad decision and to pick six.
But I know there's a lot more to it than

(21:47):
that from a hardcore perspective. Let's walk through that.

Speaker 4 (21:50):
Yeah, well, first of all, the vikings, they elect to
put the quarterback on the move, right handed quarterback. They
want him out in the pocket right to have an option.
And it's not just enough to say in my terminology,
it's it's not just enough to say, well, let's have
him uh sprint out. I have different terminology voice recognition

(22:11):
that that keys what type of roles, So so I
can say boot and that means one thing. That means
that you're the all the flow. Let's say you're faking.
You're faking to Kenneth Walker. And if there's a lead
happens to be a lead block, a lead blocker let's
say oots. If if we're gonna go quarterback to the right,

(22:33):
if I say boot right, that means I know that
whoever's in the backfield is going to the left to
have more of an influence on the on the on
the direction right, and so the quarterback is coming out.
It's also some people call it naked, but but there's
there's gonna be the quarterback after the flow, he's gonna

(22:53):
be out, and there's gonna be a guy in the flat.
Uh in particularly in the reds and there's a guy
in the flat, there's a guy in the corner, and
then there's always a crosser from the back. If you
just look at the structure of those type of plays,
I could say with ninety nine point nine percent. I
don't want to say an absolute term, that's always how
it is. And so, but what the Vikings did is
instead of having faking the back away from the quarterback,

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the running back Jones is going to go immediately to
the flat. And there's a risk involved there because the
running back is going to the side of the quarterback,
they can read the flow easier. And if you go
back to last year October sixth, everybody remember when the
Seahawks lost to the Giants at home in the fourth quarter.

(23:40):
Was Seattle down twenty to thirteen on their own thirty
five yard line, they went forward on Seahawks went for
it on fourth and one, and they went from the
same what I call King formation with a full back
towards the tight end. They did the exact same play.
The Seahawks Gino Smith did the exact same play with

(24:01):
Kenneth Walker in the flat and Brian Burns, who was
the defensive island on that side, who coincidentally wears number zero,
a veteran, you know, their best pass rusher. He gets
up the field and he sacks Geno. There was no
influence because because you had Canine in the flat to

(24:21):
the right. My experience, I haven't done a study on this,
but those type of plays work better on first or
second down, down in the goal line. You know, the
fourth down, that's risky. That's risky because if you to
have a guy up the field on you the way
the DeMarcus Lawrence was, you know, I feel sorry for

(24:43):
that kid there there was nothing there. It's a man beater.
And Seattle played zone against the Vikings, and so you
had Turek Warren and you had Emon Worry out there
covering the flat. Emon Warri had a very instinctive play
once he could see that Thatreek Warren Wolan rather I'm sorry,
Rik Wollan had the flat. He kind of slacked off

(25:04):
to help on the corner route, to help Kobe Bryant.
So there was some really good morphine of the defense.
You know, I give credit Riek Wollan em and Worry
Jones obviously, and also Drake Thomas on the backside covering
what's called the down flat. The tight end blocks down,
or it seems like he's blocking down. That reduction makes

(25:27):
the defense supposedly bite on the fake. And but yet
Drake Thomas from the backside, he covered the down flat
with Hawkinson. So Seattle gloved that up as if they
had been in the huddle, and they they called the
perfect play. They covered it. They had DeMarcus Lawrence up
the field, and that poor kid was they had no

(25:49):
chance to get anything. Now, obviously, you know he's just
got to Sometimes you just gotta eat it. Gino took
a sack. He didn't throw a pick six, right, but
he took an eight yard sack because Brian Earns was
up the field on a play that's designed to be deceptive.

Speaker 1 (26:04):
If you don't fool that in and you don't.

Speaker 4 (26:06):
Block him, if you're not going to block him, that
means you're trying to influence him. And if he doesn't
get influenced, you are f't.

Speaker 3 (26:11):
Yeah, and I think just to point out remember people remember,
for people to reminder, it was a fourth and one
as well, So he's probably thinking, yeah, but I think
it's important because also he's probably just thinking we'll just
chuck it up, you know whatever. I mean, it's better
than losing you know, eight or nine yards at least
the ball the four or whatever or the not fogus
four yard line, what have you. Sometimes when we hear

(26:34):
people say it all the time, well it's fourth down,
just throw it up anyway, Well sometimes that doesn't work.

Speaker 4 (26:39):
Well, yeah, every quarterback at some point, you know, it's
been said, well, don't take a sack on fourth.

Speaker 3 (26:45):
Right it yep?

Speaker 4 (26:46):
Yeah, you know, you know you got a prayer at least,
you know, and and and that is mostly true, Like
you know eye before he except after c Right, that's
mostly true, but there's a lot of words. Is not
like science, Like we could go through the list where
it doesn't apply. Yep, and so uh yeah, as a

(27:06):
general rule, don't take a sack on fourth down, right,
we get that part. But there are circums, certain circumstances
where you know a sack is is the only play,
the right play because it's the only play.

Speaker 3 (27:18):
Let me take a quick break. Come back. I do
want to ask you a little bit about the offensive
line or mostly what Brian Flores is doing. I mean,
we know he let like just the most blitz happy
guy in the world, I think their defensive coordinator for
the Vikings. But four sacks against Sam Donald, he seemed
to be pressured quite a bit. It's the one offensive
touchdown I believe just based on snap counts and what
my eyes saw that maybe we saw Christian Hayes playing

(27:38):
that right guard position and in place of Anthony Bradford
as well. But we'll talk about that offense in the
offensive line. To wrap up hardcore Football next.

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Speaker 3 (28:07):
All right, HARDCORET football continues Humil with US twenty six
not f of the Seahawks winning with the Minnesota Vikings.
Talked about the I mean the defense was dominated against
a quarterback making his first career start on the offensive side.
He got about six or seven minutes here. Let me
get to this, so easily the most the least productive
day of the year for Jackson Smith and Jigba two

(28:27):
catches twenty three yards on four target, Sam Donald fourteen
to twenty six one eight number the jumps out though
he was sacked four times on the day by the
Minnesota Vikings defense. We know the Flores model where their
their defensive coordinator likes to bring pressure and all that.
Probably had a pretty good idea. What bothered Sam Darnell.
He practiced with him or was against him all last season.

(28:48):
But you know, we like to maybe I say we
am using my meat. I like to I think Bradford
is a big issue at right guard. But obviously there's
probably more to it than that. What did you see?
Was it more? What floor is in the vikings were
doing that kind of slowed down the offense or what
did you see?

Speaker 4 (29:04):
Well, I think that first of all, I got three
pages of notes on just the protection a loan, and
so how do I get it into a six minute conversation?
So if we go side, it's okay, no, no, no,
I'm asking myself that.

Speaker 3 (29:17):
Okay.

Speaker 4 (29:17):
So as a general rule, this is how I process it.
A defense can look and say, we can defend a quarterback.
We got two bytes at the apple. We can defend
him on his side of the lion of scrimmage with
what we do in our pass rush, or we can
defend him on our side of the line of the

(29:37):
allion of scrimmage with what we do in coverage. And
you know, maybe you just say, well we'll drop eight.
We're gonna rush three, drop eight. A lot of fans
don't like that. It seems passive. I know as a
quarterback that going to those eight guys five hundred three
deep when you know those windows can be hard to fit,
you know, the timing and what have you. So there's

(29:59):
merits to both what Brian Floores did. If you just said, okay,
we're gonna separate, if you look at what Brian Floores
was doing on his side of the.

Speaker 1 (30:09):
Line of scrimmage.

Speaker 4 (30:10):
It was so unsound, like you'd slap your palm against
your forehead. They were playing on an occasion three under
two deep a normal three excuse me, a three deep
two under. A normal three deep coverage would be three
deep four under. They would play with two under. They
were doing what's called quarter quarter a half where they'd

(30:31):
roll cover two to one side and they would only
play but they'd only have five or six guys in
the zone, and so they have these huge holes that
in theory Seattle would be able to get to. They
did a two deep four under. Normally it's two deep
five under. They would and they were doing what's called

(30:52):
a catch or Palm's technique, where the corner was sitting outside.
If nobody is in the flat, he goes vertical and
it looks like cover four, which is a four D.
If somebody comes to the flat, he triggers, then the
safety is over the top and it looks like a
too deep coverage. So they were doing these morph coverages.

(31:15):
You know that on occasion they would go man to
man and and and yeah, there was a kind of
a weird looking bracket on JSN. At times they went
zone and like boxing one in basketball, they just had
Byron Murphy, the dB former Husky shadowing JSN. There were

(31:35):
times where they rolled the coverage to Cooper cup On
and and they left Jackson Smith and Jigba free access,
exactly the opposite of what you you would expect. And
so the so what they did from a coverage standpoint
is is it what? And they got the Harrison That
number twenty two for the Viking has been around maybe

(31:56):
a Hall of Fame level safety.

Speaker 1 (32:00):
It's a lot like how the Cardinals use Buddha Baker yep.
I mean, he's.

Speaker 4 (32:03):
Freelancing, kind of going wherever he wants, just has you know,
plays off instinct. That's an important part of what they do.
But they really were allowing themselves to be unsound in
the coverage. But the tradeoff is they say, let's create
absolute Hey Havoc, let's pick on Seattle. What is the

(32:25):
worst position group on the Seahawk football team, including special
teams and specialists, The worst position group is the offensive line.
This is the thought that we all kind of know intuitively,
and this is what Brian Floyes says. So let me
attack them. And so by putting the vikings, they have
the highest propensity of playing a three to four number

(32:50):
one in the NFL. And you said forty four and
a half percent, and the Seahawks use less than two percent.
So the Seahawks don't practice in it against it in
training camp or mini camps. So they're going against this
three four And by only having three defensive linemen, now
you've got four linebackers. Even if you blitz one, that's
that's not really a blitz because you can still play

(33:11):
seven behind it. You can blitz two and then and
play these these six man zones of of of all
different ilk and and you're you've got two blitzers, but
it's only a five man rush. And so Seattle and
you line them all up the line scrimmage and and
as a general you say, okay, we want the center

(33:33):
to go to one side and the running back to
go on on the other. But they created so many
uh what Mike McDonald calls pop and drop or defense
linebackers take two steps forward, induce the pass uh blocking
by that lineman for the Seahawks, and then drop out
into a zone and then fire guys over line up

(33:53):
on the on one side of the field. Uh uh,
you know, run them over to the other side to
being covered. So in that process, Vikings very unsounding there
in their coverage. But they just they just murdered Seattle
and dictated terms because of the offensive line. And it's
not just the losing h one on one battles. It

(34:14):
was the communication held the sack fumble yep. Now that
happened to be on a tight end, ye right, But
but you know, I think the Seahawks offensive linemen were
equally overwhelmed physically as they were mentally. So yeah, they're
gonna have to solve that because somebody along the line
is going to look at this tape.

Speaker 3 (34:35):
That's what I'm asking you. That's how I ask you, Like,
is that is there is there a blueprint?

Speaker 1 (34:40):
Now?

Speaker 3 (34:40):
Like, is there a blueprint? Can you know when Atlanta
Carolina the Rams again the forty nine ers that you
know the remaining part of the schedule, is there a
blueprint there that people can look at and say, hmm, okay,
that worked for I mean, looking what the numbers are
that worked for Minnesota if not for their inept offense,
Maybe the Vikings are in that game health for the
pick six. It could have been the Vikings could have

(35:02):
been taking a lead that game. Is there a blueprint there?

Speaker 4 (35:05):
Yes and no, there is for teams that that like
to play a similar structure and have practiced it, and
you know, have the personnel the Vikings personnel, as I said,
just three defensive lineman, four linebackers. Uh, they played some nickel,
but but they have they're the lowest percentage of nickel
dead last the Vikings and then again the highest in

(35:29):
three four. So you can't just say, all right, well,
let's just install all this stuff in a week and
and beat the Seahawks with it. You have to That
has had to have been a pretty good part of
your diet. You have to have majored or at least
minored in it.

Speaker 3 (35:45):
Right.

Speaker 4 (35:46):
You can't just show up and never having you know,
that's not who you are, you know, like, uh, you.

Speaker 3 (35:52):
Know the you can't just change your whole defensive structure.

Speaker 4 (35:55):
No, you're not gonna just you know that makes sense, right,
So so, but if you've dabbled in this, you might
you know, crank it up in terms of your usage
of this. So you're gonna you know, you're gonna see
you know that those seven across seven eight. You know,
as a quarterback the offensive line, you got to discern

(36:15):
who do we think is coming? And then if they
don't come, then what's uh, what's our plan if they
if they overload and they've got four you know, four
week is like a thing you learned in high school.
Four week is is I've got my center's going on
the strong side, my running back and the guard and
the tackle of that side. I can handle three, but

(36:36):
I can't handle four or a vice versa four strong.

Speaker 1 (36:40):
My center's going on the strong side. I got the center, guard, tackle.
I can handle three strong. I can't handle four strong.
And so so.

Speaker 4 (36:47):
When the defense lines up with eight guys online scrimmage,
they're they're showing you the potential a four week or
four strong. You know, they're not gonna go rush eight.
That's not what they do. That's that's that's that's suicide.
But trying to discern who's gonna drop off, uh, you know,
can be a challenge, and certainly it was for Clint

(37:09):
Kubiak and the offensive line, and that was a mess.
But you know what, hopefully we're doing a hardcore and
I know we're up against break I'll conclude it like this.
Hopefully we're doing a hardcore where it's it's a pivotal
game maybe you know, in a playoff game or what
have you, and say, hey, those those occasions, those four
occasions that they tried to do. Uh so the opponent

(37:31):
tried to do what the Vikings did. Seattle had a plan,
they burned them and they drove them right out of them.

Speaker 3 (37:36):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (37:37):
That's and then we'll talk about the adjustments they made
when that happened.

Speaker 3 (37:40):
That's the challenge for Clint Kubiak. If I was doing
more at for today, i'd ask you about if you
would make a change at the right guard position. But
I don't have time to do that, and I'm not
doing more at for it. But maybe somebody have a
friend that might ask me that. Yeah, yeah, because I'd
be curious about your thoughts on that, because Brad, there's
twenty one snatch by Haynes yesterday at that right guard position.
All right, my friend Grace, starting to talk to you
next week.

Speaker 1 (37:58):
Thank you, pleasures mind, thank you.

Speaker 3 (38:00):
That is hughte millon Hardcore Football, will take a break,
Come back, Sandal. Let's take a tour around the rest
of the NFL. What a wild day yesterday, while weekend
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Speaker 2 (39:40):
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(40:01):
Theathletic dot com. Just go to the NFL tab there
and you'll find it from our friend Mike Sander. Who
joins us right now. Hi, Mike, how are you good?

Speaker 3 (40:08):
How are you? I'm good? Hopeful holiday was treated you
well with three football games and maybe dinner fit in
with the family.

Speaker 7 (40:14):
Yeah, it was really good.

Speaker 3 (40:15):
I really liked it.

Speaker 7 (40:16):
We got a fourth game on Friday, so I know,
I know, you know, it's not bad. I like them
spread out.

Speaker 3 (40:20):
I like though, I'll tell you right now, I don't
know what the did they have a black Friday game
last year? Was this the first year?

Speaker 1 (40:26):
I think they did?

Speaker 7 (40:27):
But it's I was my wife and I arrest in
that too, because it's still fresh enough that my wife's like,
really on Friday. Yeah, I love to do something and
I love it too. My wife is like, come on
every day. She likes them not that much, you know,
every day.

Speaker 3 (40:39):
To draw the line in the sand at some point
along the way. Well, there was plenty to discuss from
all those games. Let me start. I'm not actually gonna
start the Friday game just for a second. We talked
a little bit last week about Kansas City. They are
very much on the outside looking in right now the
playoff picture. They're six and six, they're two games back.
I thought it was interesting what you wrote today. And
I think it's interesting too because the narrative. I don't

(40:59):
know why this is, it's become kind of the running
joke amongst a bunch of friends of ours and even
my son. We're watching games, it's the Steve Steve Spagnola
drinking game. Every time you see Spagnola, the defensive coordinator
for the Chiefs, on the screen during a Kansas City game,
which is often, maybe even more so than Andy Reid,
you say, okay, time to drink, because it's all about Spagnola.
Steve Spagnola, he's the defensive coordinator. He's a genius. But

(41:23):
it's not the offense as much as the defense is
struggling a little bit this year for Kansas City.

Speaker 1 (41:28):
Right, Yeah, it's fall enough.

Speaker 7 (41:30):
I think the offense has structural issues that you know,
I think they could definitely do a better job kind
of you know, presenting the thread of the run and
some of those types of things. But that being said,
there there's still a top five offense statistically with Mahomes. Defensively,
you know, the big flip this year is they're one
and six in the close games, the ones decided by
a touchdown either way. They were eleven Er last year.

(41:52):
When you compare those two things side by side last
year and this year, you see, yeah, the offense is
not quite as good, but the defense is a lot worse.
It's really falling off in those games. And I think
even though they're paying George Carlotus one hundred million dollar contract,
they just don't have They need another pass rusher. And
I think it's going to be heightened once Chris Jones,
you know, is done or super diminished, because right now

(42:15):
it seems like if Chris Jones gets home, you know
they're okay, and if he doesn't, they don't have a
pass rusher, and that's a real problem.

Speaker 3 (42:21):
Yeah, and I look just kind of looking here. I
mean you wrote about about Tomlin and the Steelers as well.
I mean there's a couple. I mean when I look
right now and I see two teams in Pittsburgh and
Kansas City that are both effectively two games out of
a playoff spot wildcard. I mean, the Denver's going to
win the NFC West, there's no doubt. So Kansas City's
reigned there comes to an end. They need to get

(42:41):
in as a wildcard. Pittsburgh has a better chance statistically
They're tied record wise with Baltimore for at six and six,
but kind of feels like they're in all kinds of trouble.
The Aaron Rodgers part hasn't worked out. Are we going
to see a year in which Mike Tomlin and Andy
Reider are not in the playoffs both of them together
at the same time.

Speaker 7 (42:59):
Well, I don't think the Steelers are going to get there,
but I still wouldn't write off the Chiefs, you think,
you know, I think that they can still, you know,
maybe make a push, but I think there's a good chance.
The one that was interesting to me I kind of
put three coaches together in this thing. I think Harbaugh
is one of them, and I think Tomlin's another, and
then maybe Sean McDermott, depending on what they do. I
think when we talk about Kansas City, even if they

(43:20):
think the playoffs they're not what they've been, we know
that they're six and six, So that's been your excuse
if you're some of these teams, especially Buffalo and Baltimore
who have good quarterbacks, less so Pittsburgh.

Speaker 3 (43:31):
But like the idea that.

Speaker 7 (43:33):
Hey, if Kansas City's out of the way and you
still can't make it, I mean to me, that's then
if I think the owners have questions about that. You know, so,
I think those three teams, to me, those three coaches, Tomlin,
McDermott and Harbaugh, what would you take right now? You know,
the odds of all three of them coming back, it
might be lower than maybe one of them not.

Speaker 3 (43:55):
Does that make sense? Yeah, no it does. And you
wrote about the chance of fire Tomlin and Pittsburg yesterday
and just I've got a media friend back there and
just kind of checking in with him. It's yeah, it's
it's it's not good in the Steel City for sure.
Buffalo is an interesting one because I mean there are
two games back of New England, who plays tonight at
home against the Giants, and I mean Buffalo feels like

(44:20):
their path will have to be wild card. I mean,
maybe you can make up those two games along the way.
But it's just a little bit of a changing the guard, right,
Just a little bit of a changing the guard in
the AFC.

Speaker 1 (44:29):
I think it is.

Speaker 7 (44:29):
I think there's semi erosion of those top teams, and
as long as you have the Mahomes or Josh Allen,
they can still get it back together and be a
great team, But I'm with you. I think Pittsburgh feels
stagnant to me. Of those teams, I think Buffalo has
just kind of been, you know, they just haven't had
their mojo the whole now. It feels like there's something
missing no with him, And I feel the same way

(44:51):
with Baltimore. I feel like, you know, Lamar Jackson's just
kind of doesn't have as normal spark or springing his steps.
So and you do have some of these upstart teams.
So I do think we're gonna, you know, have a
team and maybe possibly even in the super Bowl that
we weren't talking about before the year, in that realm
as much.

Speaker 3 (45:09):
Well, let's talk about changing the guard. You wrote about
it was the first story you had today the Bears,
the Chicago Bears. Who had the Chicago Bears sitting there
after week thirteen as the top team in the NFC, Sir,
who had them there? Raise your hand? Anybody? Anybody? Bueller? Bueller?

Speaker 7 (45:25):
I mean, I don't think that anyone with the Bears did,
you know, I don't think any I don't think some
guy in section three hundred and soldier Field had him there.
So and they look they their record is way better
than their point differential or some of the other things
that usually really correlate with winning. They've won a bunch
of super close games, and they haven't always been very

(45:48):
impressive doing it, but I do think they have, you know,
a coach, it gives him a little bit of an edge.
They've got a really good running game. They're working to
try to get the quarterback going, but they're winning, so
they're not having to hear about every week like Minnesota,
right they're quarterback development's a crisis every week because they're losing.
And in Chicago, I feel like this coach has some

(46:08):
stuff going now. So I think it's a real good
season for them. They're growing, they're improving. They just beat
the Eagles, and you know, I think it's probably going
to come back to earth some here. They've got a
couple of games with Green Bay. I think they might
have won against Detroit, So they're not gonna win them all,
but they'll probably win some of them.

Speaker 3 (46:25):
You wrote about Ben Johnson and you just refer to
it as well, how much does the personality traject onto
the field, like his personality and just you know, we
know coaches X and l's and things like that, and
sometimes you reflection a team can reflection a coach's personality,
but end of the day, it's still about, you know,
what they're doing as a head coach or just a coach.
But I think we saw that early in Pete's career

(46:48):
maybe a little bit, you know, the personality translated to
the field. Are we seeing that with Ben Johnson?

Speaker 7 (46:53):
I think so. I think it happens, for better or
worse for all of these teams. You know, when Mike
Holmgren came in, suddenly they weren't a penalized team. You know,
he was on point with a lot of that stuff,
and that followed him kind of wherever he went. They
were detail oriented. That's sort of a thing. And I think, uh,
for Ben Johnson, yes, you mentioned Pete Carroll, I think
Ben Johnson has it obviously. Mike rabel H brings that

(47:13):
in right away and it really helps, I think too
for some of these guys who can make a real
difference on one side of the ball or the other.
I think that's part of it for Ben Johnson is
he he's a you know, really has a great scheme,
so you see you get a little bit of added bonus,
you know, in addition to the personality of the coach
and Ben Johnson. You know, I didn't see him taking

(47:33):
off his shirt before the season is something that would work.

Speaker 3 (47:36):
But I thought it was pretty cool the personality. It
was just through and I mean that I'm sure in
that city that works well too in Chicago. It's Mike
Standle from the Athletic the Athletic dot Com Pick six column. Well,
let's let's go back down the Pete Carroll Vegas Raiders
rode again. Chip Kelly fired, and you know now they've
there's he's already fired a special teams coach. So two

(47:57):
coaches down off his staff are both gone. The the
off season will be interesting, the rest of the season
will be interesting. Let's let's take a little deeper look
into what's going on with the Raiders organization. Mike, you've
covered this league for a long time. Is it a
Pete problem? Is it a Davis the owner problem? Is
it other people with their hands in the pie Tom

(48:19):
Brady problem? What do you see there?

Speaker 7 (48:21):
Well, I think it is a Davis ownership problem first,
and I think we ran a table in the pick
six column today showing you know who had hired the
most coaches in the league since Al Davis died in
twenty eleven, and the Raiders were right up there, six
or seven, you know, a big number. And so that's
some of it. I think. Then, you know, Pete bears
some of this too, being you know, coming in and

(48:45):
I don't know what he had to agree to you
to hire the staff that he got. But it's not
good when you're fired two of your three coordinators and
we're not even to we're barely to December, you know,
in fact, before December they fired. He fired two coordinators
on his first staff. That's very unusual. Can you remember
that happening? I mean, especially for a legendary coach like
Pete Carroll, like what Andy Reid you know in week

(49:07):
thirteen have fired two coordinators? Well, it just doesn't happen.

Speaker 3 (49:12):
Well, I mean, Pete never did that here, you know,
like I mean, and he now he fired coordinators like
he did do that, but it was never in season, Mike,
and I guess that would be the red flag, right.

Speaker 7 (49:22):
It looked like to me that either Pete didn't have
a great plan for who he wanted to hire, or
he wasn't able to hire who he wanted to get
the fits. They're a real balancing act there, you know,
especially for somebody like Pete Carroll, who has fifty years
of coaching and developing his program and has a very
distinct style to it. How you coach with Pete is
really important to Pete. The way you interact with players,

(49:42):
your mindset, all those things. And he's also even though
he's not associated with being schematic oriented, he does care
how you play a certain win offense and defense, and
so he needs people that are going to do that
for him. And it feels like Chip Kelly and to
some extent Patrick Graham, who you know, were those types
of guys for him as his offensive and defensive coordinators.

(50:03):
The special teams coordinator was inherited from last year. So
it hasn't felt like a great mesh there. And I
think most people in the Lake think they'll, you know,
they'll they'll blow it all up after the year if
us by seventeen points or more five times, you know,
it just hasn't been competitive.

Speaker 3 (50:20):
Enough when you say blow it up, like Pete's won
and done.

Speaker 7 (50:23):
Yeah, like Pete would be young and done. And you
let I think a lot of people in the Lake
think that, Hey, John spytech, the GM who's you know,
roommates with Brady or buddies with Brady, teammates back at Michigan,
you know football guy that they will are eventually going
to do this. And I'm not saying it doesn't mean
they were against bringing in Pete, but Pete's going to
be seventy five next year. Are you going to commit

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to how much are you of the future. Are you
going to commit your organization to decision wise when you're
gonna have high picks and all of these things, if
you're not showing any kind of traction this year. So
I think Pete's got you know, December here to get
this thing turning.

Speaker 3 (50:58):
Would be my guess, Well, I think, you know, you
bring up the you know who's bringing in the coaches,
assistant coach and staff. You know, I think we saw
that here in Seattle. Like there, we all know Ryan
Grubb was not Mike McDonald's pick. That was a John
Schneider pick. It didn't work. He made a move, and
the team sits there, not entirely because of the change
in offensive coordinator and quarterback, but they're sitting there at

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nine and three. You know, do I guess that'd be
the question they're gonna have to ask, do you give
Pete another year and let him hire his own people.
But one of the issues.

Speaker 7 (51:26):
Mike, yeah, Mike was you know, Mike was in a whirlwind.
McDonald's in a whirlwind of being courted by teams, and
it's hard to even have someone lined up. I think
we say it was a John Schander move. I don't
know that, you know. I mean, they had to hire somebody,
and I don't you know who who could have Mike
McDonald got at that time, right right, You do grub
and you're sort of making the best of the situation

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and you hope it works and it doesn't, and then
you pivot and make a move. But I think in
this case in Seattle, there was a It was clearly
they liked Mike McDonald and even in that first year,
they liked what they saw from him, and they were
competitive and they won games and the defense improved, and
so there was a lot to hang your hat on
with Mike McDonald. Pete Carroll really is like, Okay, you know,

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it tapered off at the end in Seattle. We know
he's a great coach, but he is going to be
seventy five, and there they they haven't. The team hasn't,
for whatever reason, been able to take on his identity
or or show much this year. So that's why I say,
how long are you going to commit to that?

Speaker 3 (52:23):
I wonder too, if if just for like we talked
about it a little bit last week, I'll move on.
And I wondered even just for Pete's legacy, if you
know what, Pete just didn't work in the rate with
the Raiders, the hell of a run in Seattle, two
super Bowl appearances in a title, and all those things,
and you know, most almost every year, with the two
exceptions of the playoffs, on and on and on. Maybe

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we kind of when when you and and the Hall
of Fame guys get together in a few years down
the road, maybe you forget about one year, but all
of a sudden, if it's two or three years of
bad football in Vegas, that might really taint your legacy.
It doesn't help, you know.

Speaker 7 (52:56):
I think I think if he had gone there and
turned it and they were a nine to eighteen this year,
I think that would help him. You know, it would
be their first winning record in a while and all
of that. So you know, We'll see how that goes.
We'll cross that bridge when he gets here. Who knows,
maybe he and Home going to be on the bout
at the same time.

Speaker 3 (53:12):
Wouldn't that be something? Okay, I really go just quick
thought yesterday on the Seahawks' defense dominating in a twenty
six to nothing win over Minnesota, taking advantage of first
time starter at quarterback, and even though Steve Merriucci talked
about how he's going to set a single game rookie
record for passing yards hopefully tongue in cheek, it did
not happen, obviously, But thought on what you saw yesterday

(53:33):
with Seattle, Well, if you.

Speaker 7 (53:34):
Ever wanted to know what it would look like if
the twenty twenty five Seahawks played the nineteen ninety two Seahawks,
this is what it would look like. Okay, we answered
that question. That was the nineteen ninety two Seahawks out
there for Minnesota. Respectable defense, really really bad sub professional
offense that was so bad justin Jeferson didn't even talk
to the media afterwards, he just left.

Speaker 3 (53:54):
I mean, the.

Speaker 7 (53:57):
Ridiculous pick six interception that brosmer threw, I mean, you
can't even make it up. So I think this game
was like, Hey, I think it was. You know, if
you're say you wish that the offense would have done
a little better, I think that, you know, that's in
the back of our minds a little bit with the
ram game. This game, I do think that Minnesota Brian

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Florenz or defensive coordinator probably had Donald's number a little
bit some inside info there. So a twenty six to nothing,
you take it, you move on. You didn't have I
don't think they had a big significant injury, so they
did what they had to do. But I think you
do want to see more from the offense.

Speaker 3 (54:31):
Yeah, I think you're right. I think there was a
little bit of inside that trader going on, knowing what
Sam Donald was all about from Brian flores in company.
You get the win, you move on. It's there's no
there's no committee to determine who goes to the playoff
in the NFL, which is a good thing. Go check
out Mike's call them the pick six the Athletic. Every
Monday morning, go to the NFL A toaub Usually it's
on the front page of the Athletic as well. It
would be today except for some guy Nam Lane Kiffin's

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dominating the headlines there, so go to the NFL page
check it out. Mike, great stuff. As always, we'll talk
to you next week. Thank you. There you go. That's
Mike Sander joining us here on the Beacon Plumbing hotline
this afternoon. Got a couple minutes here, a couple of
things one four nine four to five one. That is,
he's still unrestricted free agent. Text line four nine four
to five one. Texting your thoughts, comments, questions, concerns, all
that you saw over the weekend. We have been with

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you since Wednesday. It's been a while. We've had a
lot going on since then. We've had a Husky loss
to Oregon, We've had crack and shut out Cougar's beat
Oregon State before a crowd of twelve people on Saturday.

Speaker 5 (55:26):
Wasn't that bad?

Speaker 3 (55:27):
Oh? It was bad.

Speaker 5 (55:28):
The student section was bad. So the angle you were
seeing on television was of that.

Speaker 3 (55:32):
Yeah, I don't blame him though, I'm I mean it.

Speaker 5 (55:34):
Was cold and twenty seven degree.

Speaker 3 (55:36):
Playing an exhibition schedule. Who cares?

Speaker 8 (55:38):
And link this real quick?

Speaker 3 (55:40):
Lane Kiffin is doing his introductory news conference right now.
We're kind of glancing up at that they're showing it
live on ESPN. There's a lot to this and we'll
get into our We're gonna have Stuart Mandel on on Wednesday,
and I'm really looking forward to the conversation with Stu.
He he and others very critical of Kiffin how he
handled it. Listen, there's no good way to handle this

(56:03):
type of situation when you know, as we talk with you,
if you missed our first segment with you today, you
might want to go take a peek and listen to
that again. We talked a lot about just the climbate
of college football right now. I hate it as a
college football fan, and I say I hate it. I
don't just hate that the coaching situation. I just hate
what we're seeing period right now.

Speaker 5 (56:20):
I'm with you on that.

Speaker 3 (56:22):
And it's not just college football, it's college basketball a
major turn off. It's yeah, I think there's a lot
of people that are turned off. Now. Listen, here's what
college football is going to lean on. They'll lean on
the massive TV numbers across the country and they are
they're big TV numbers for a lot of these games.
Every week we're seeing these numbers come out and they're
very good. And I understand, we get it. I understand that,

(56:44):
but I'll take it even too. Basketball like I saw today,
Like our guy Ace Glass is a freshman at Wise
who've got named WCC Player of the Week even though
they got beat up a little bit in Hawaii the
Mauley Invitational, but he had an incredible week in terms
of scoring. You can't even enjoy it no as a
cooper because you're like, Okay, is he playing for Duke
Kentucky Kansas? Where's he playing next year? Like that's the

(57:05):
first thing that comes to your mind if you have
a good coach and you're not one of four or
five programs in the country. And I mean, hell, there's
even rumor that and I think it was nonsense that
the bor might leave Alabama and go to Penn State.
But let's just say, unless you're Ohio State, Alabama, maybe Michigan,
I don't know, probably jacksas Sar can kind of write

(57:33):
his own ticket. Maybe sort there's very few programs in
the country that if you have a great coach and
you're having a hell of a season and will miss
is a great example of this. Yeah, that in the
back of your mind the entire year. As coaches get fired.
Can this be sustainable? Is our guy going to stay?
And this isn't when I bring this up. This is

(57:54):
not a hey, they should have to stay. I'm not
saying that. I understand that. I think Softy nailed, and
I think a lot of people have had relatively the
same thing. The calendar just has to change. We're gonna
have Huffman on later this week early signing days Wednesday.
Why well, because coaches wanted then that that The answer
is that, okay? But why, Like you don't even know

(58:15):
the coaching cycles not even over yet. Guys are leaving.
The egos of coaches also is a turnoff. I think
Lane Kiffin is a turnoff. He's a great villain. Going
to LSU is the greatest thing ever because that just
turns that school into the biggest villain in the country.
Like everyone will root against them. You might hate Alabama,
but you're gonna root like hell when Alabama plays LSU.

Speaker 1 (58:35):
Yeah, you are.

Speaker 3 (58:36):
That's just the way it's going to be territory anyway, right,
And for people trying to say that maybe he should
have been allowed to stay and coach foolish to even
think that he's going to a rival it's their number
two rival in the SEC.

Speaker 5 (58:54):
You just couldn't do that.

Speaker 3 (58:55):
No, it's there, he's going to LSU. If he went
to Mississippi State, it would be slightly worse than going
to LSU, but not much. You're not gonna let him
stick around and then also have another month with all
of your players, Yeah, to recruit them as you prepare
for a playoff game to go with you. LSU just
wasn't gonna happen. But watching this thing play out, it

(59:15):
keeps coming to my mind. And I brought this up
to somebody and they said, well, you know, who cares
about the players because they're all making their money anyway.
They're all hired guns. They're all that thing. I get that,
but not all of them are. Not all of them are.
For a lot of these guys, college football playoffs is
a pinnacle of their life. It's a pinnacle of their career. Yeah,
there's guys who are gonna go follow him to LSU.
But you work your butt off, as you mentioned, we

(59:36):
talked about it. You don't just work from August through
the end of the football season. You're working year round
as a college football player, and you get to that
level someplace that ole miss has never been before, and
your coach leaves. He had the right to. The rules
are in place allows him to do so. Away you
go hard to begrudge him for doing that. You also
probably if your old miss should have known what you

(59:57):
were getting into with him, maybe you do a deal
with the devil. Guy had been fired at a lot
of places, also have been a vagabond, doesn't like to
stay in one place for a long time, so you
hired him. It's probably inevitable if he had great success,
he was going to leave you. That's the way it is.
But think about this. They're an SEC team, they have

(01:00:18):
financial wherewithal he's gone. It's just a disappointing day, Like
disappointing all the way around. For I love college football.
I love college sports, and as you said it, it's
becoming harder to really enjoy it sometimes.

Speaker 5 (01:00:33):
I will tell you senior night, last game of the
regular season, I'm on the sidelines at Wazoo, and that
is the first thing that was going through my head
just watching the last game is which you know what,
And I was like excited because there was no definitely
that guy's gone there. You know, we didn't have that
guy where we've seen in the past where.

Speaker 3 (01:00:52):
It's also why we're six and six.

Speaker 5 (01:00:54):
It is, I mean, and that's not crapping on that.

Speaker 1 (01:00:57):
No it is.

Speaker 3 (01:00:59):
But there's no camp More, there's no Geometerier, there's no
Deshaun Stripling, who's an All miss right now as a
wide receiver. It's none of those guys. But but yeah,
that's the trade off you're saying.

Speaker 1 (01:01:09):
It was going that.

Speaker 5 (01:01:10):
That has not been the forefront of my mind in
covering a game ever.

Speaker 1 (01:01:14):
Can I ask one question?

Speaker 9 (01:01:15):
Yeah, as someone who didn't go to a big college
football school, I see, you know, no football, right, What
is there to draw someone in who doesn't have the
tie to college football?

Speaker 3 (01:01:27):
Now, that's that's a question you'd have to answer because
I'm just curious. I'm a college football fan, but I
grew up as a Husky football fan and then went
to Wazoo became a Cougar football fan. But I like
the sport, So I'm the one I can't answer that.
I ask you that I think it's money to become
a fan.

Speaker 1 (01:01:42):
Yeah, like oh Gamba casual. I think maybe it's gambling
or regional in the NFL. Yeah, regional is a good
answer to that, But like, what school do you live by?
I don't know.

Speaker 9 (01:01:53):
Like it's the same thing I say about. It's a
different comparison. I know, we're up against the clock post.
So if you're just a random soccer fan that lives
in Europe, right, why would you watch the MLS versus
the European leaks?

Speaker 3 (01:02:07):
Yeah? Why you would watch college sports back in the
day would be yeah, the simple part would be because
you were a the pageantry, the tradition, all those things that,
let's come back to it probably don't exist like they
used to. Okay, that's probably the easiest answer. All right,
so right, come back a Factor Fiction, Final week of that.

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Speaker 3 (01:02:51):
Final week of Factor Fiction. Our first pick coming up
in a second. Before we get to that, Andrews, I'm
having text line issues on my end. Can you help
me out?

Speaker 1 (01:02:58):
What you got? What else is new? All right?

Speaker 9 (01:03:01):
From the two six Ian What used to make college
football and attractive? Sport to follow for me was the
prospect of building a program slash roster, recruiting ratings, program
stability in a short term two to three year span
with a chance for even longer stability.

Speaker 1 (01:03:16):
None of that exists anymore.

Speaker 3 (01:03:18):
Yeah, I think that's I think that's the frustration for
fans is just that, well, like I mentioned, we're gonna
have Brendan huff Been on later this week early signing days. Wednesday,
We'll have many other probably Wednesday or Thursday. I'm not
sure what day we'll have Mon. We'll have him one
of those two days. And that's the hard part is
that you would get young guys and you're like, oh, okay,

(01:03:40):
he's red shirt and can't wait to watch him play
as a red shirt freshman, probably on special teams. And
then So we'll talk about this with Alex and MK tomorrow.
I'm curious what they think about the new college landscape.

Speaker 5 (01:03:49):
Because they got plenty of things.

Speaker 3 (01:03:51):
Yeah, it's it's more player friendly than ever before, and
it was kind of ridiculous in the past. Maybe they
make guys sit out for an entire year year. Hell,
the PAC twelve PAC ten had a rule I believe
that if you transferred in conference. It was a two
year that you had to sit out, so made it
really hard. Like I, like I mentioned to Hugh, this

(01:04:12):
is the part I don't. I don't like unlimited free
agency for coaches and players. I don't. I'm never going
to be in favor of that because I think in
any walk of life in which there are we can
discuss this more tomorrow, but in any walk of life
in which you know your your employees, or your talents

(01:04:35):
are valued in any way, shape or form, you should
be a compensated for it and be also there are
some restrictions and play. That's just that's just real life.
You know. I mentioned before, like I won't even use radio.
I'll just use the other thing. I'll say cracking, Like
I could not go to John Forsland tomorrow, could not
just go and be the play by play voice of
the LA Kings. Doesn't work that way, you know, not,

(01:04:57):
especially God in c Yeah, well the seasons, Hey, you're
in the playoffs.

Speaker 1 (01:05:03):
No, I'm out.

Speaker 5 (01:05:04):
That's insane to me.

Speaker 3 (01:05:05):
I just I don't think anybody can convince me otherwise. Yes, yeah,
we don't.

Speaker 9 (01:05:10):
And I know we have to get fact fishing here.
Just a second, there's just so many aspects of college football.
As someone again who doesn't have the ties to write
the alum side of things, where it's like, I remember
a tweet from Steve Palozzolo a couple of weeks ago
where it's like, there's so much conversation around college football
that isn't about football, it's about everything else, right, And

(01:05:31):
I'm with I'm for like all the drama and everything,
and it adds to the sport itself. Yes, but that's
not what we're talking about anymore. It's just not it's
and it's not just football's basketball, it's everything in college
Let's get.

Speaker 3 (01:05:42):
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I'm gonna recap in a second. First of all, here's
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win in n Football tonight. Fact four nine four to
five one you discreate fiction four nine, four five one
before you just say I'm gonna pick fiction because it's
for Nest making the pick. Let me point something out
to you. Let me point this out to you. There

(01:06:30):
is one show, and only one show that has won
not one, not two, not three, not four, five or six,
but seven straight games that would be late season push
baby for a Nest show. Yeah, we are seven and
zero now on a little bit of a heater at

(01:06:51):
the end of the year, fighting our way back somehow,
some way. Oregon minus six and a half against Washington,
fact Minnesota at Seattle under forty one and a half.
Anders fact Ole Miss minus seven that Mississippi State fact
boom boom boom. By the way, your pick, which was

(01:07:12):
bang on, spot on, one hundred percent right, only fifty
four percent of you guys, I know, I know my
Oregon mina six and a half Washington had sixty six
percent approval, seventy four percent for Ole Miss over Mississippi State.
M Interesting. All of a sudden, things are heating up
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Speaker 1 (01:07:33):
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Speaker 9 (01:07:34):
Huh, it's probably unlikely to get a first place. Since
this is the last week of fact of fiction by.

Speaker 3 (01:07:40):
Well this not we could. We couldn't because we were
seven behind chucking b Yeah, you're right, so no, it
is unlikely. We can catch two other shows, yes, the
uh M.

Speaker 9 (01:07:48):
Jane The Midday twenty eight and thirty four for Nest
Show twenty five and thirty one, and Softing Dick twenty
seven and thirty two.

Speaker 1 (01:07:55):
All within a couple games of each other. Need to
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Speaker 10 (01:07:58):
First pick of the week is Patriots minus seven at
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New York City Fact four nine four five one trying
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Speaker 3 (01:08:11):
Four nine four or five one. Look at how pretty
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very very good. I can't get to five hundred, but
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Speaker 1 (01:08:28):
That's my goal. All right, let's do it.

Speaker 3 (01:08:32):
Maybe pass a couple people on the way, Maybe pass
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Those four are all above five hundred. Bucky is barely above.
He's ten and nine one game above five hundred. Everybody
else is MD's five hundre. Everybody else is below five hundred.
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(01:08:56):
Strong start, strong, finish, strong, finish of the year. That's good.

Speaker 1 (01:08:59):
One more time.

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Speaker 3 (01:09:06):
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Speaker 1 (01:09:13):
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Speaker 9 (01:09:15):
Standings issues right now that I so people are asking
about the standings. I know, if you're close to the top,
you want to know before the last right you do. Yeah,
but that doesn't change your incentive it anyway.

Speaker 1 (01:09:26):
You've got to win every single one.

Speaker 9 (01:09:28):
So I will get the standings out at some point
either late today or tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (01:09:32):
Okay, so let me just point out this. I want
to bring that up for this reason. So at some
point today or tomorrow, Andrews is gonna call somebody for
one thousand dollars from last week. Yes, and then a
week from today or tomorrow he'll call somebody else and
say you won a thousand dollars. And it also tell
somebody they won ten thousand dollars. If you're out of
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Speaker 8 (01:10:15):
All right, he's here, ladies and gentlemen.

Speaker 3 (01:10:19):
Not often I look on the old uh on, the
old app, the old X app, and I see something
and I'm like, wow, that is yeah, bang on makes
all the sense, makes too much sense?

Speaker 1 (01:10:30):
Will I make a lot of He's talking about me?

Speaker 9 (01:10:31):
Now?

Speaker 11 (01:10:32):
I am, because I post a lot of stuff that
makes a lot of sense, A lot of sense.

Speaker 3 (01:10:36):
I would I would be.

Speaker 11 (01:10:37):
Which which unbelievable, thrilling, entertaining, just balls on you?

Speaker 3 (01:10:42):
Are you talking about you too?

Speaker 7 (01:10:43):
All right?

Speaker 3 (01:10:44):
Which one?

Speaker 1 (01:10:44):
Which one?

Speaker 3 (01:10:45):
Well? The herb Street stuff is just frod.

Speaker 1 (01:10:47):
He's just has he become.

Speaker 11 (01:10:52):
I think his head is literally physically up his ash.

Speaker 1 (01:10:55):
I mean, there's no other explanation for it.

Speaker 11 (01:10:57):
I think you know, I used to with him right
back in the day, twenty five years ago. He was
a weekly guest of the Dave Softy Maler ten to
one show.

Speaker 1 (01:11:05):
Really Yeah, And then ESPN.

Speaker 11 (01:11:07):
Took over and cut everybody off at the pass, and
so we lost.

Speaker 1 (01:11:11):
We lost the.

Speaker 3 (01:11:12):
Mat And I think this guy's I think his ego
has just got the best.

Speaker 1 (01:11:14):
Hitting me Like, no, dude, he's gay.

Speaker 11 (01:11:17):
He is telling the players he's gonna go coach somewhere else.

Speaker 1 (01:11:20):
You're done.

Speaker 11 (01:11:20):
Audio Somemigo, the ad for old Miss Keith Carter I
think his name is, that said, no, you're not going
to be in the meeting.

Speaker 1 (01:11:28):
You're done.

Speaker 11 (01:11:28):
And on top of that, we're going to take your
rack of clothing your office and put it in the
parking lot. I thought it was freaking phenomenal, good for them.

Speaker 3 (01:11:35):
The one I like, though this is a Dave Softy
Maller sixteen hours ago. College football just needs to adapt
a carbon copy of the NFL calendar. Free agency transferport
will open in March. No contact allowed directly or indirect
with players on other rosters until then, Draft signing Day
in April. No need for coaches to Quinn December to
save a class at their next stop. You're welcome. I
brought this up with Hugh and he brought up the
same thing, which I thought of as well, because the

(01:11:57):
only reason they do all this stuff now gonna get
him a role for spring screwf spring football, Like, just right,
have that in May or June or whatever you want
to do. It makes way too much sense there. There
is no other sport that allows a coach to be
poached from another team in the middle of the season.
Here's the thing.

Speaker 11 (01:12:15):
I mean, obviously, the reason why the Kiffin thing is
so big is because Ole Miss is playing for a title, right,
I get it, there's more of a spotlight on this ones,
but this isn't the first time we've seen a coach
lead before a season ends. I mean, look, you know
Steve Sarkisian not that people want to compare what Ole
Miss is doing in the playoff to the Fight.

Speaker 1 (01:12:31):
Hunger Ball in San Francisco.

Speaker 11 (01:12:33):
But Steve Sarkisian took off to go be the coach
at USC and missed the ball game, and two he
had to take over and he won a game for them.
I mean, I kind of feel like sometimes we decide
how big a deal things should be for other players
and other people. Like I don't know how pissed off
those guys were when sark left. I have no idea
how angry they were. Maybe they were, you know, completely

(01:12:55):
angry at him, mortified that he would quit and not
be there for the for the bowl game against BYU
that that season. I got no idea how the players
felt about it. But I just think that you give
these coaches this window. You're going to put a signing
day in December, which is Wednesday, for crying out loud.

Speaker 1 (01:13:11):
We got to have the kids enrolled for spring ball? No,
how about this?

Speaker 11 (01:13:14):
How about they finished their senior year of high school,
go play baseball like normal people.

Speaker 3 (01:13:20):
Go to the prom, do whatever you're gonna do. Yes, yes, yes,
like a seventeen year olds should be doing. Yes, all
those things.

Speaker 11 (01:13:27):
Go get arrested for an open container, have some fun,
go to a keg at the arboretum, whatever you want
to do, floor in the gymnasium, all those things.

Speaker 1 (01:13:34):
Kid, Yeah, all right, leaving.

Speaker 11 (01:13:37):
School and going to calvinch when you're seventeen years old
in January, so you can maybe get on the field
in the fall, right and all that. I agree with
that tweet, by the way, that was agreed.

Speaker 1 (01:13:46):
Good tweet. It's what was the second one?

Speaker 3 (01:13:48):
No, the first one was the hurt Street Okay, sorry,
the second one was the thing.

Speaker 9 (01:13:51):
Okay, should I interrupt something real quick? I just saw
this news. I don't know if you guys have seen this,
and I need what.

Speaker 1 (01:13:56):
Would have said no?

Speaker 9 (01:13:56):
But then I was I'll let you go ahead, go ahead.
Did you see that the Giants defensive end Abdul Carter
will miss the first.

Speaker 11 (01:14:03):
I don't know if that's true that from Wes Steinberg's Twitter. Yes, yeah,
I don't know if Wes Steinberg is a real person.
By the way, you might want to be careful. There
is a sketule of climbing exactly. I just texted Seth
Everett a ka off and he is he has no
idea who he is.

Speaker 9 (01:14:23):
Okay, this should I read what I'm seeing.

Speaker 1 (01:14:30):
The disclaimer, this could be could be not correct. Okay.

Speaker 9 (01:14:34):
According to Wesley Steinberg, is Giants defensive Carter will miss
the first drive tonight for disciplinary reasons after getting caught
watching porn in a team meeting when his headphones were disconnected.

Speaker 1 (01:14:49):
Please be true, please.

Speaker 3 (01:14:53):
I thought it was something serious, like, no, that's actually
is this serious at all?

Speaker 1 (01:14:59):
Okay? I don't know what this guy is.

Speaker 11 (01:15:01):
What's the guy's name, Wes Wesley Steinberg Steinberg, Yeah, I
think I went to Sunday School.

Speaker 4 (01:15:06):
I was.

Speaker 5 (01:15:07):
By the way, we can tell Purple Sheet. We're all
googling porn on our work laptops right now.

Speaker 3 (01:15:11):
For the reason I.

Speaker 1 (01:15:13):
Was Don Jackson.

Speaker 11 (01:15:13):
I was at the Jed Fish press conference last week
and I opened up my iPad right in the middle
of the press conference and a commercial started.

Speaker 1 (01:15:20):
Playing off my iPad. Oh god, oh that's or whatever.
I thank god it was a commercial.

Speaker 3 (01:15:27):
I did that earlier show. Actually, he was a self
described NFL in New York Giants inside.

Speaker 11 (01:15:32):
Nobody knows who he is, dude, and the fact that
he has a blue check mark means nothing.

Speaker 1 (01:15:36):
You can pay for that. I know that, I know,
I know that thing.

Speaker 3 (01:15:39):
I'm wondering how he has twenty three thousand followers.

Speaker 1 (01:15:41):
Well, I mean there's a lot of parody accounts that
have millions of follow.

Speaker 3 (01:15:44):
He's not followed by anybody I'm following, including Seth, says
Seth bo. Yes, I know him, Seth Everett my real name.
Well duh, yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:15:54):
You just mixed up up everyone off randomly. Yeah, GIBBERI
his name off.

Speaker 3 (01:16:00):
Okay, have you never met Seth.

Speaker 5 (01:16:04):
Seth Everett several times?

Speaker 11 (01:16:06):
I know that Seth Everett bogged and off. Jesus, he's
a treat to.

Speaker 1 (01:16:12):
By the way, he doesn't know who he is.

Speaker 3 (01:16:14):
Okay, so you know what I'm going with, Seth not
knowing who this guy is meeting is. But that's a
great story. It is so it is so God, what
should we go to watch his.

Speaker 1 (01:16:23):
First drive to do?

Speaker 11 (01:16:23):
We should do a show one day, maybe in the
midll of summer whatever, where all we do is just
fake news. People have to decide what's legit and what's Oh,
that's a great right, we kind of like.

Speaker 1 (01:16:34):
Mix it up a little bit.

Speaker 3 (01:16:35):
I like it. I like that, I like that idea.
I'm trying to figure out what So he's fifty two
news or real journalists fifty one?

Speaker 1 (01:16:40):
You decide?

Speaker 10 (01:16:41):
All right?

Speaker 1 (01:16:41):
So what hey?

Speaker 3 (01:16:42):
So watch tonight if number fifty one is not out
there for the giants in the first drive. Everyone knows
this because he was watching porn in a team meeting meeting.

Speaker 5 (01:16:50):
Wait, I'm sorry, just the setting alone makes me fake news.

Speaker 3 (01:16:54):
This softie on his computer right now, watch he leaves
his screen up. Quick alt control all delete, control all delete,
All right, what a you got going on? It's how
that works, by the way, Oh really, damn.

Speaker 1 (01:17:08):
Through your browser? What I got today? Humil will be
here or o'clock?

Speaker 11 (01:17:13):
A couple of segments with him Little Factor Fiction four
you a little fun with audio and today a special
day the return for one day of the Opponent Audio
recap with Paul Allen from KFA.

Speaker 1 (01:17:24):
What time at four forty five? Sorry?

Speaker 11 (01:17:27):
Three thirty today? No wait, hang on, no way, it's off.

Speaker 1 (01:17:30):
Jackson's here? What time or forty five or forty five?

Speaker 3 (01:17:33):
Jackson? Can you put on a three thirty instead? I
want to hear it.

Speaker 1 (01:17:36):
We might play it twice?

Speaker 3 (01:17:37):
Can you play twice?

Speaker 1 (01:17:38):
That's not to do textimonials. That's what good. That's a
good point. He's too lazy to.

Speaker 3 (01:17:43):
Get text three forty five? Can we hear it? Three
forty five?

Speaker 1 (01:17:45):
No, four forty five. You gotta listen.

Speaker 11 (01:17:47):
That's your that's your reward for listening to us for
two hours.

Speaker 1 (01:17:51):
The pain will be rewarded.

Speaker 3 (01:17:53):
The beautiful thing is there's a little thing called the
podcast on the iHeartRadio app.

Speaker 1 (01:17:57):
Podcast.

Speaker 11 (01:17:58):
Yeah, I can't podcast it, right Jackson, because it's an
NFL property.

Speaker 1 (01:18:03):
Is that right now?

Speaker 3 (01:18:03):
It's an iHeart station.

Speaker 1 (01:18:05):
You're fine, just giving the guy a reason to listen.

Speaker 3 (01:18:08):
You listen to podcast. Listen to you from three until
four when I get home. Sometimes you don't listen to
me when you're at home. No, I don't either, hear
my wife just want to listen to you?

Speaker 1 (01:18:17):
Amen? Do you want to hear voice? Listen to you?
Why would you want to listen to me?

Speaker 11 (01:18:21):
So true for the mild mannered and marginally objectionable Inverness.

Speaker 1 (01:18:27):
This is paddle day saying so long everyone,

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