Furness Show 12-8: Seahawks win reaction with Hugh Millen and Mike Sando

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Seahawks smash the Falcons yesterday thirty seven to nine. It's
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catcher Harry Ford of the Nationals for lefty reliever Jose Ferrare.
I thought, I'm not gonna go there. I'm just gonna
leave it alone. Notre Dame, by the way, is mad.
They're not going to call it. They're not gonna go
to play a bowl game. They picked up the ball.

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And went home.

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Speaker 2 (01:47):
Let me start just a quick tease because I glossed
over the there's certain names I don't stay on the air,
but I guess I gotta say his name, Jimmy Rogers
News you ask that over. We will have Elizabeth kent Well,
Washington State's new president. She's been on the job less

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than a year. Right, Yes, yeah, we're gonna have Elizabeth
President count Well on the show tomorrow to talk about
all things going on in that athletic department. They're looking
for an athletic director. They're looking who because she fired
an McCoy and now looking for at football coach. So
we'll have her on tomorrow. Talk about budgets, talk about money.
You know, what are they going to spend to go
get a coach? What are they looking for? So we'll
have her on tomorrow for some We've had a chance

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to talk to her on the show that's coming up
tomorrow in the one o'clock hour. Hi, Hugh Ellen, how
are you? I'm doing well? How are you all right?
To have a good football team to root for? Thank
god we've got the Seahawks. Huh, thank goodness? The six.

Speaker 3 (02:42):
Well, yeah, I don't want to take it away from
your no spot. I mean, I know you got the
devastating news. Yeah, thanks for coming on with Dick and me. Yeah, yeah,
I know, I know here your emotions must be just.

Speaker 2 (02:56):
Well all over. Yeah I was, you know, and yeah,
when the new broke, it broke. I want to say
it was like four four fifteen on Friday right here,
because you were doing the show with Fane and I
got a call from Jackson and I had just seen it.
I literally had just seen it. I sat down a
couple of friends at a little local establishment, shout out
to a friends that the vibe and and I see that,
and you guys call and we popped on and you know,

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like in today's world, I think we're all used to it.
I mean, you've you lived it. We talked about this
a couple weeks, maybe last week even here. We talked
about it with your sons, you know, playing Division I
football and going through different coaches and hell sometimes signing
with a team or committing to a team and then
the coach leaves even before you get there. And you
know that's part of it, you know, being on a
job less than one calendar year, getting a promotion, so

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to speak, and whatever he did with his salary, double triple,
whatever you want to believe for going six and six,
welcome today's college football. I guess you know it's good
for him.

Speaker 3 (03:51):
Yeah, well we'll let you get on your your your
monologue on that one. You know, it's hard because you
know the free market, you know, people do have freedoms. Yeah,
I just I think it when it there's a nexus
of those kind of free market opportunities that are affwarded everybody.

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But when it meets with you know, the team construct
the way it is, and and that that collision is
violent and it's it's it's off putting.

Speaker 2 (04:22):
Usually. Yeah, I just still go back to you and
I talked about this last week a little bit. I
just I guess I wish there would be more of
a you know, they've they've changed the portal, you know,
rules now you've got to wait till January, so to speak.
But if a guy's leaving, he's gonna leave. It doesn't
matter necessarily. But I don't know the this is the
only sport where coaches leaving them, you know, with the

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season still going on, and if you want to model
yourself after pro sports these days, I just I can't
fathom how that's the case. I understand recruiting, we all
understand that. I mean, we don't have to go through
it again. But and listen, if the guy doesn't want
to be there. Good go you know, go go do
your thing, you know. And and and I you know,
I tried to buy in. I tried to support. I

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tried to you know. And I call fans like, you know,
suffer through some excruciating losses. But hey, you know, like
we're not going to criticize Jimmy. Let's all get on
board with Jimmy. Well. I hate when I hate when
we're told that is fans. I'm not just talking about Wazoo.

Speaker 1 (05:16):
You.

Speaker 2 (05:17):
I'm talking about all schools. Yeah, right, get on board
with your coach. You gotta support them, write a check
for nil, do all these things, and support the guy.
He's building something there. No one's building anything. Nobody's building
anything in college sports as far as coaching. They're building
a resume. But don't tell me to support a guy
he's building something because he's got one foot out the door.

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And you know, like I brought this up and this
is not me trying to be that guy, because it's
it's you do or Wazuo. I mean, you guys go
to the damn National championship game and your coach leaves too,
Like how many programs do you not leave for or
do you not leave in this country? Maybe three or four? Right,
like like well, and then there's the yeah, and then
there's the NFL.

Speaker 3 (05:56):
I mean right Nick Saban, Yeah, he won a national
champion ship at LSU. You would say LSU is one,
I mean one of those yeah, that in Ohio state.
You know how many how many schools are you you
alone in a in a fertile recruiting state and you're
the only school right right? And Nick Saban had that

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at LSU. I mean, there's more NFL players per capita
from Louisiana than any other state. Now that that might
be a little out of date, but I remember that
was true, not long enough. It's probably close to true
if it's not. But but then and of course Ohio
is a very populated state, and you say, well Cincinnati's
coming on.

Speaker 2 (06:35):
So so yeah, when you when you think.

Speaker 3 (06:37):
Of of the schools that that would be in that category,
h l SU would have thought to have been one,
and yet it wasn't.

Speaker 2 (06:45):
For Nick Saban. No, And that's the way it is, Listen,
it's I had we talked about last week, Alex, and
when Alex Brank was on his weekly visit, him and
m k and uh, you know, and Alex said, listen,
you know, Cougar fans have to understand guys are going
to leave, you know, just accept that. And I think
we all, you know, I'm like, yeah, you're right, Like
he's gonna leave, but I can't wait till he leaves,
because when he leaves, it's going to because they just went,

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you know, ten and two or nine in three and
had a bolt like whatever, right, like that's when he left.

Speaker 3 (07:11):
But you know it's six and six and six man. Yeah, Well,
you know, the first college football game was Princeton versus Records,
I believe, eighteen sixty nine. And you know, the IVY
leagues were at one point really the premier league. And
and so when you think of all those presidents and

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chancellors all those years ago, more than a century ago,
where you say, why would we be in the business
of playing intercollegiate sports, Well, it was thought to be
that sports would be consistent with the values that we
want young people exposed to and to live those values
and to to to uh, you know, experience adversity. How

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do you respond to adversity, to experience the teamwork and
and and all the things, and so they say, yeah,
let's be in the let's be not in the business
of inter collegiate sports. Let's have that attendant to the
mission statement of the university. That's where we would have been,
you know, some one hundred and fifty years ago. Well,
of course it's it's morphed into a big business. Clearly,

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the courts, I'll way up to the Supreme Court see
it that way. But I thought Chris Peterson had a
pretty eloquent statement this morning. We're responding to Notre Dame's
decision to not play in the bulls and you know,
you know, podcasted because Peterson's going to say it much

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better than me. But essentially, if I comparea phrase, he
was like, hey, wait a minute. You know, in life,
you're going to have setbacks, things are going to be
beyond your control, that are adverse to you, that maybe
aren't fair to you. You don't like what has happened
to you, and then how do you rec bond? And

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I think, you know, I think if we were having
a discussion, you know, if we could be a fly
on the wall one hundred and fifty years ago, when
colleges were even deciding whether to have sports, somebody would
have been arguing in that room for all the values
that sports can teach you, and I think I don't.

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I don't think one hundred and fifty years ago they
would have had the thought that the thought that, well, hey,
you know what Notre Dame did is consistent with the
mission statement. I don't think that would have been the case.
But you know, the first guy that shocked me, the
first player, was Christian McCaffrey. This wasn't something they used

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to have. Ian, you and I are old enough we
remember the hardship Yep, there was a thing a hardship appeal.
Hey I need to go to the NFL because I
need to support my family, and then that would be
a hardship appeal. There was no hardship appeal for Christian McCaffrey.
This was just a guy that just, you know, just
dropped any sense of commitment to Stanford. And it's like, hey,

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I'm I'm looking out for me and and then that
that kind of like really like stunned me.

Speaker 2 (10:10):
And I think the news that Notre Dame did this,
what do you think a Notre Dame tapping out of
a bowl game? I have mixed feelings about it.

Speaker 3 (10:19):
I I I think everything Chris Peterson said about what
it says the values. I think it's a further, you know, uh,
diminishment of the role of sports on education.

Speaker 2 (10:34):
But we've seen this.

Speaker 3 (10:34):
You know, it's not just players that that are jumping
in the portal. It's coaches that are not not just
jumping in the portal of the league. But they're the
ones are who are going in and looking at the players,
acquiring the players.

Speaker 1 (10:46):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (10:46):
You know, they're they're lying, you know, they're uh, they're
making commitments to their players, and they're turning around and
disavowing that.

Speaker 2 (10:53):
So so but so so.

Speaker 3 (10:55):
I I on the one hand that I agree with
the I don't have anything to the offer in the
take my ball and go home critiques because I agree
with that. But there is a part of me that
thinks that the bulls are absurd, right, I mean to me,
think about this, particularly now that we have the playoffs,
these lesser bowls are have the equivalent. Think of, give

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me two teams that are not going to make the
playoffs in the NFL. Let's say, you know, you know
that be close to the playoffs but not going to
make it. The Bengals and the Chiefs the Chiefs.

Speaker 2 (11:32):
The Chiefs might be Notre Dame.

Speaker 3 (11:33):
Yeah right, we're not gonna play So, hey, Bengals and Chiefs,
you're not going to be in the playoffs, but let's
have an exhibition game that uh, you know, just to
just to play an extra game. Because I mean, think
about how Bulls originally came about. That was back in
an era with depending on how far you want to

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go back, six or seven or maybe eight games and
you were done in November. And then like Pasadena said said, hey,
to make money, let's have a parade. Let's have a
bowl game. Invite these you know, the champions from the Midwest.
The season was already over, it had already been voted

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who's the national champion. Hey, we're just gonna have an
exhibition as a reward to the players and the fans,
and they come to the Sunshine.

Speaker 2 (12:25):
Right, that was the whole idea by behind Bulls. It
was just an.

Speaker 3 (12:27):
Exhibition, but it was kind of cool because of but
it was just a sidelight. But that was when there
was three or four Bulls. Then it grew to forty
two bowls because we got to make money. And then
now the playoffs has pushed it out. So the bulls,
you know, watching these games with like nine thousand people.
I don't know if and now you want a fan.

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I guess it's good for some, but there's an absurdity
to the whole lesser balls, and so I'm glad that
at least on that front, Notre Dame's decision does put
a spotlight.

Speaker 2 (13:00):
On the Bowls in that regard, you know, you know, maybe, yeah,
I think there's I think you'd have to do something
in terms of again increasing play. I think, you know,
it's in March Madness. To me, is still the perfect
thing going on right now. I mean about nineteen percent
of the teams, you know, three hundred and sixty five
basketball teams, sixty eight in was it about nineteen percent
get into March Madness, right and you get now the

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NTV the equivalent of the Bowl games now and team's like,
we're not going to play. We get knocked out last
year Indiana first one out. We're not playing. Okay, I
get to understand that, but you know, like you you,
everyone has a shot to play in March Madness. Every
team in the country has a shot to play in
March Madness. You know, with a twelve team playoff, that's,
you know, definitely not the case. There's a reality that

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exists in football that bat maybe doesn't exist in basketball.
Basketball is one off of you, you know that, right,
Like one team can beat somebody. Hell, we've seen sixteens
get beat or beat ones twice, fifteens beatn twos things
like that. But there everyone gets a shot, you know,
and no matter how many teams you have in a playoff,
like I think we'd all agree twelve is better than four,
which was four is better than the two, which it was,

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and two was better than let's just have a subjective
vote not to you know, Huski fans know that all
too well, next to a well yeah, yeah right, I
mean like just cab with me, yeah four right. So
it's all gotten better over the years, but it's still
not perfect. And if you go to sixteen or even
go to twenty four whatever, you're gonna have teams that
aren't happening. Let me let me ask you real quick,
just because we run out of time this segment. Do

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you think that they got it right in terms of
the final teams in Alabama in Miami in those kind
of like I guess if you're doing a bracket in basketball,
the last two in right, first two out would be
Notre Dame and what BYU Notre Dame in Texas, nor Dame, Vanderbilt, whatever,
and being right. So did they get it right?

Speaker 3 (14:44):
I think that not only did they get it right,
I think that they got it right the seeding then
twelve teams, Yeah, and the exact placement of the teams.
Maybe we're up against it, but there's a very compelling
argument for the group of five, JMU and Tulane and

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their inclusion, and that ought to be something that gets
the attention every single college football fan, and get the
attention violently, like you need a shake if you think
that you shouldn't have JMU and Tulane in there, and
the repercussions from an anti trust standpoint, the exposure if

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you want to exclude them, and the consequences which would
be far far greater than just their inclusion, if you
want to get lawmakers involved and and suing and triple damages,
and you might have a system where you get half
and half and revenue sharing, like the power for trust Me.

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They Power Forward conferences do not want to go down
that road. They already showed their ignorance of the law
in the Austin case where they kept appealing the Alsten decision,
which was just a meaningless innocuous education related benefits case,
but the NCAA kept appealing it because they were so greedy.

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And then bam, they got smacked lost nine to nothing
in the Supreme Court. And the result immediately that they
they wiped out the amateurism argument of college football and
college basketball, and then now all the unwanted outcomes with
respect to nil, with respect to revenue sharing for these
kids that some people don't like, the freedom and what

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have you, that rendered the the NCAA as completely powerless,
completely neutered them. And that's what you're flirting with if
you want to say right now, I don't want Jamu
in there, and I don't want too leg Look, I'm
not carrying any flag for the little guy. That is
not where I'm coming from. I'm just saying from a

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matter of pragmatism and a little bit of a study
of the anti trust laws and what has has destroyed
the NCAAA. Yeah, you got to have those teams and
then and then Bama, I know we're up er against it.
To me between Bama Alabama and Miami. Bama is not
only the clear first choice in that regard, I don't

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think it's close. When you consider this, the SEC is
by far the most dominant conference, and Alabama. By the
SEC's own process, Alabama was the number one seed after
the regular season. They had the of the of the
four teams, they had the the that were tied at

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one loss. They had the toughest strength to schedule along
with Georgia that a limited A and m and Ole
miss And then so those two were compared to Alabama Georgia,
and Alabama beat Georgia. So so for the rest of history,
Alabama will go down as the team that won the
twenty twenty five SEC regular season. And I would just
say full stop right there. If that is your title,

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the regular season champion of the SEC, then over three months,
there is nothing you can do in three hours that
can undo that. When you're talking about maybe if it
was a two team the BCS, maybe if it was
a four team CFP, certainly if it was a four team,
but when you got twelve teams, and I really viewed
as as there's a ten team power four conference because

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you have to reserve two spots for the for the
group of five, just just like just sit down and
shut up about the JMU and TWU lane, Okay, because
you know this phrase, f around and find out.

Speaker 2 (18:39):
Go ahead and go ahead and pull those group of fives.

Speaker 3 (18:43):
F around and find out what how much worse everything
will be if you want to get in an anti
trust court, and all you have to do is study
Austin and everything that transpired from Austin.

Speaker 2 (18:53):
I've read the fifty four page.

Speaker 3 (18:55):
You know. I'm interested in this topic because I was
a play rep in the NFL and we had to
I had to apprized myself. I'm no attorney, just a layman,
but I had to learn about the UNI trust, how
how sports fit into it because we were we were
striking to get free agency. Anyways, you asked me, sorry,
I went on a little monologue there, but yeah, I
think they got it all right, and uh, Alabama was

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absolutely the first of those three.

Speaker 2 (19:20):
My favorite part is Notre Dame Athletic Director today saying
that the ACC has done a reparable harm to the
relationship with Notre Dame, and I'm thinking, well, you're independent,
you know what you probably in some ways see No,
the ACC did irreparable harm to their relationship with the

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note with Notre Dame. According to Notre Dame's athletic director today,
does that make sense? He said no, because because he
feels as if the ACC and the I don't know,
Miami getting in and not Notre Dame that ruined some
sort and remember it, Notre Dame is a partial member
and a lot of sports, Oh my god, like it's
it's it's like, listen, the ACC doesn't need you. I mean,
the ACC needs help, but you know, you guys use

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the ACC more than the ACC uses you scheduling wise
and everything else, especially for other sports. Like you want
to be independent football, you paid the price. That's part
of the reason. Maybe whatever back Like, like.

Speaker 3 (20:14):
You lose all ties? Yes, you all conference championship game?
You want to You've been invited. I looked up the history.
I'm not going to go into it. They've been invited
to multiple conferences for decades. They want to be independent. Fine,
you're gonna lose all ties and you found yourself in
a tie and you deserve to lose. I mean, and
the head to head this goes back to nineteen seventy eight.

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This still chafes my ass, I'm old enough. Alabama and
and USC tied for the national championship in nineteen seventy eight.
The coaches gave it to USC. The writers, in their stupidity,
gave it to Alabama. They were both they both finished
with one loss. USC beat number five ranked Michigan in

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the Rose Bowl and Alabama beatn number one ranked Notre
Dame in the in the might have been Penn State
whatever in in the Sugar Bowl. There's one problem. They
each had one loss. Guess who's loss? Alabama was to
USC in Legion Field in Alabama by double digits. So

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so the writers, in their infinite stupidity, so like looking
at two teams that had one loss, and Alabama's was
to USC by double digits at home, and yet they
still voted for Alabama. So the whole West Coast bias
and all this, you know, head to head, the you know,
the the the ignorance to head to head.

Speaker 2 (21:44):
That that's been a bird in my ass.

Speaker 3 (21:46):
Not that I'm a USC fan, but I was a
Pack eight fan as you were at the time, and
I and and just if you're a fan of justice,
how did that make sense? And so even all these
year later of course, Miami's ahead of Notre Dame. Yeah,
they last I checked, they beat him. That's simple as that.

Speaker 2 (22:01):
All right, we got to take a break. We got
to take a break. Come back, we'll talk Seahawks. What
happened in the second half few mil and That's what
I'll ask you. Coming up next.

Speaker 1 (22:12):
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Speaker 2 (22:27):
I was gidding to a hardcore football By the way,
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You can text in your thoughts, comments, questions, and concerns
from all things over the weekend. Hugh Seahawks had two
hundred and fifty four yards of offense in the second
half yesterday in Atlanta. That doesn't include one hundred yards
courtesy rashiici Head when he housed a kickoff to start
in the second half for a touchdown on the opening

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kickoff of the third quarter. They had one hundred eleven
yards in the first half, had six total points. What
was what was different? Yeah, well, you know, I know.

Speaker 3 (22:58):
It's easy to go first half, second and a half.
It's easier to just calculate. But to me, I focus
more on the deep line of demarcation was fifty seven
seconds remaining the second quarter? Remember what Ye the Seahawks
got the ball, drove down forty five yards and kicked
the field goal right before half. Yep, So I break

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it before that drive, and Seattle was on a pace
you break it down literally to the second and then extrapolated,
they were on a pace to throw for seventy six
yards for the entire game.

Speaker 2 (23:35):
Up into that point. They'd played almost a full half
of football to their first four drives, right through the
first four drive. Whoever the number of drives is, it
was because drive number five was the end of the half.
So okay, yep, through four Okay, so they're on a
pace to throw for seventy six yards for the game.
Then if you say from that point on, uh, that

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drive in the second quarter and then all of the
second half, they they were at a pace that for
a game would be four hundred and eleven yards.

Speaker 3 (24:05):
Okay, So I mean think of that, seventy six yards
would be historically bad. Yeah, four and eleven yards would
be historically great. Right, So, and I think within that
I mentioned it this morning, sorry for those who for
whom it's a repeat, but the percentage of the targets
at you know, before the juncture, we're saying before and after,

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JSN got fifty five percent of of the the targets
and then after that point just twenty one percent. And
JSN had seventy percent of the yards. Afterwards he just
had just thirty one percent. And by the way, that
included you know, two fifty eight yard or excuse me,
fifty eight yards of catches on two receptions in the

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early and the third quarter. So so while JSN didn't
necessarily disappear, it's everybody else kind of came a lot,
and you know, particularly received Shahed. I think I think
his game was really important, not just for the kickoff return,
but but using him, you know, mirrored routes for example, uh,

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where you say, okay, we're gonna run the slot routes
on little hitches and then the widest guys on out routes,
and so Sam Donald, it's like, hey, pick a side,
and you got js N on on what's called the
Omaha quick out to the left or you got received
Shaheed on Omaha to the right. And early for the

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first time we were seeing Donald going to Shaheed instead
and and recognizing that the coverage was rolling over towards JSN.
Both in zone roll roll is a term that defines
zone coverage the corners in the flat over the top

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of of js N denying free access, meaning bumping him,
redirecting his route at the line of scrimmage, then having
a safety over the top. That's roll coverage. A zone terminology.
Press coverage is where you're bumping, you're up denying the access,
but it's man to man behind.

Speaker 2 (26:16):
It got me, yep.

Speaker 3 (26:18):
So when they they were doing things to take away JSN,
like rolling him and then also playing that, they played
a coverage where they played what's called two man over
the top of JSN. Let me explain what that means.
So if you just said two men, you got a

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safety on either half, and then you're playing bump and
run five underneath, and the defender who is playing bump
and run, he can he can ride the low shoulder,
he can kind of stay behind him, trailing him because
he's got help vertical over the top on either half
of the field.

Speaker 2 (26:58):
That's two men. And you remember, remember when we had
the argument with husman Zada all those years.

Speaker 3 (27:02):
Ago, you know, where we were saying, hey, they're not
getting open. The receivers aren't getting open. And he says,
he goes, that's not man and man, that's two men.
So in his mind he was trying to say, you know,
to which the reply is, okay. So what you're basically
telling everybody posing defensive coordinators just played two man every

(27:24):
single down and these the receivers are going to give
up and say I can't get open against two men. Right,
So anyways, they're putting a safety over the top on
jsn's half of the field, Well you'd expect another safety
over on the other half of the field, right if
it was true two men. That's not what the Falcons did.
They played two man to JSN side, but they played

(27:48):
cover one to the other side, meaning the other safety.
Instead of being on a half he was in the
dead middle playing center field. And so you know, this
is a there was a plan to take away JSN.
And what what's good is you know Barner and particularly Shahed,

(28:09):
you know, come, we're coming alive and and look at
how they thrived. Yeah, yeah, and being able to respond
to that. I think it's really vital moving forward that
Darnold and Kubiak have this ability to uh to spread
the ball around.

Speaker 2 (28:24):
Well if they and if they just like rashizhi Heed
four catches on five targets sixty seven yards along with
thirty three. We talk about you know that that other
target besides JSN it was going to be and we
kind of started to see the potential for Tory Horton. Well,
like all of a sudden, Tory Horton comes back. You
and Rashid Shaheed continues to get acclimated to this offense. Yeah,

(28:44):
pretty good situation, right, Like like like we could see
an offense that at times has been really good get
even better.

Speaker 3 (28:51):
I would assume, well, when they acquired Shaheed, remember we
were saying, are they going to get an offensive lineman,
what have you? And then then they say, oh, they
acquired for Shahed. And then he said, okay, we knew
about the Shaheed acquisition before we knew the compensation. Then
we learned the compensation. I'll just speak for myself. I'm like, WHOA,
that's pretty rich man. Fourth and a fourth and a fifth,

(29:12):
It's like, I hope this guy, man, you better bring something.
I thought it was a little bit of a luxury acquisition.
Since that time, I've come to learn that there. I
think there was a belief that Tory Horton was more
injured than they thought, and he's had an injury history
at Colorado State, uh. Plus plus Shaheed's returnability as both
punt and obviously kick off from what we saw uh yesterday,

(29:36):
and and so I think it was more of a
need acquisition than a luxury acquisition. So I've kind of
changed my mindset, uh since November fourth and the day
he was acquired, and and and so now do you
want to say you needed him? It's hard to say
in a blow out like that you need any one player, right,
but you know you certainly felt the heat that Shaheed

(30:02):
brings when he's bringing back kickoffs that way. How gorgeous
was that? I mean, that guy, that man's stride is
just beautiful. And then on that deep over where he's
he starts on the left side and he screams across.
He gets to twenty two yards of depth on a
diagonal all the way across the field, and he got
there just in a blink and it was a nice

(30:23):
clean look for Darnold and he just pops it out
there and so that that speed for the first time
really came alive yesterday.

Speaker 2 (30:31):
Fun to see, you know, it's all. What else is
fun to see? Number three? Nick even Worry our guest
last Wednesday on the show, and he stepped up in
a what a game he had. I'll let Hugh, I'm
gonna use a humil in term. I'll let you in
a hardcore way, toss the bouquets. Even Worr his way
coming up next. All right, that's next.

Speaker 3 (30:51):
All right.

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Speaker 2 (31:12):
Rock Bottom is a relative term, very subjective. Someone asked
me this weekend, you know I have Koogs hit that
with Rogers Departure. I said, no, what we have with
basketball with David Riley. But nevertheless I thought so. I
thought it was rock bottom with Ernie Kent. Maybe it's
worse with David Riley. We just hit rock bottom with
Sarah Spain seven on seven soccer. I move on, okay,
Cumail and let me throw this at you, Nick Emon Worri.

(31:34):
Six tackles, a sack, two tackles for loss, a quarterback hit,
an interception in a pass defense. That's a pretty good
day at the office, isn't it for a defensive back. Yeah,
that's that's filling the stat board. Oh my god.

Speaker 3 (31:50):
You know there's some people they say, okay, you get six,
six for a turnover, four for a sack. You know
there there's there's a scoreboard for these players. Internally, he
feeled it.

Speaker 2 (32:02):
You know.

Speaker 3 (32:03):
I think it's important to note that while we think
of him as a safety, and that's that's what his
position says, because it has an S next to his name,
you know, and you think of him in the go
back to the legion in the boom, you think Earl Thomas. Okay,
that was a single high defense. Earl Thomas was in
the post and in fact he was. He had one
thousand and eighty one plays in the at safety over

(32:27):
one thousand just as the post safety.

Speaker 2 (32:30):
That's Earl.

Speaker 3 (32:30):
So you say, no, he's not really Earl. He's more
like Cam right. Well, Cam had four hundred and ninety
snaps at safety in twenty thirteen. I'm picking that year
because they won the Super Bowl and Cam was the
post safety. Four hundred and thirty seven snaps. Got me,
So we're comparing Cam two big safeties, right, Nick Emmin

(32:55):
Worry has only played safety six snaps this year and
only one as the post safety. So again, Cam four
hundred and thirty seven snaps as the center fielder deep
and Nick an Rory won. He you know, if I
was studying the play, I would just be looking at
him and say, well, Seattle's number one in the use
of nickel, number one in the NFL, and this guy

(33:18):
number three. He just whether he's a linebacker or whether
he's a safety, it doesn't matter. He plays a linebacker position, right,
So he's a really athletic linebacker. I mean, there's that
famous saying. I think a lot of our listeners don't
know what I'm talking about. Where Brett Farv, you know,
Ty Detmer tells the story of the best He said Farv.
You know, he's like in his second third year in

(33:39):
the league, and he learns it leans over to Ty
Dettmar and he says, hey, they keep saying Nickel, what
does Nickel mean? Ty Detmer says, well, you kid me,
he thinks he's putting him on. He goes, no, really,
what does Nickel mean? So well, it just means they
take out a linebacker and bring in the fifth d B.
And Farv looks at Ty Denmark goes, who cares? Well

(34:03):
when he watched uh, uh Emon Worry, I'm I'm reminded
of Farve there. There was a little bit of wisdom
in that, because you're you're looking, you're saying, okay, he's
a sign sam linebacker, whether he's a line his position,
what he's doing is linebacker ish okay, And and and
yet you know they can put him on. They put

(34:25):
him on Justin Jefferson and Manda Man when he's in
the slot.

Speaker 2 (34:29):
They put him on.

Speaker 3 (34:31):
Kyle pitts uh yesterday and in fact he got beat.
Like the best throw that Kirk Cousins had was a
great throw on a corner oute to Compits. That's cover
one where Emon Worry had outside leverage.

Speaker 2 (34:46):
Kyle Pits went over the top. Coppits is one of
the most talented.

Speaker 3 (34:49):
At least by uh you know, his his four three
you know, and and he had and and yet Emon
Worriy's coverage was so good that it had to be
a diving fingertip cat on the best throw of the
day by Kirk Cousins.

Speaker 2 (35:02):
So if you're coaching nam And Warriors, Oh, what do
I do different? Nothing?

Speaker 3 (35:06):
Yep, that's great coverage. Ye right, like because if I
asked you to do anything different, you'll change.

Speaker 2 (35:12):
You were fine. You had help to the inside.

Speaker 3 (35:14):
They just they threw the perfect throw and catch to
a really fast tight end. Don't worry about it. So
that was really his only conspicuous minus. Other than that
he's firing his gun, he's he's seeing gaps. His plays
tackling was awesome at South South Carolina remains phenomenal. You
know the hands when when Witherspoon hits the ball and

(35:38):
just a few feet away it tips to em and worry.
He's got the athleticis in the hands to turn that
into an inner interception. That his explosiveness on his sack.
I mean he can just go so damn fast and
uh and has a good feel for where the seam
is going to open up. It's kind of like a
horse race, not the Preakness or the Home because by

(36:01):
then they don't have many horses. We're talking about the
Kentucky Derby where everything's all congested. You know what, you
got to find that, like where's the lane to go
if you want to make your surge even more when
you're blitzing and you got all these parts, you got
to kind of.

Speaker 2 (36:15):
See where that hole is.

Speaker 3 (36:16):
Kind of like a jockey, and I think his instincts
to accelerate right through, can't slow down, can't slow down
like you got to you know, it's all gas and
find a scene without slowing down. And he's showing that
he gets the sack out of that. I love watching
the guy play. He doesn't have Bam BAM's physicality, but
who did?

Speaker 2 (36:35):
But who does? Good point? You know, like yeah, but
Bam Bam can't move like this kid. No, right, no,
and accelerate like this kid. I don't know if you
heard we had we had him on the show last Wednesday, Hugh.
And and as you're describing the positional play and the
snaps that Earl had at posts, et cetera. When I
introduced Nick on the show last week, and I just

(36:57):
I went through like seahawk defensive back, safety, the line back,
I mean, and he kind of laughed, and so I
like the introduction. I soa, I honestly don't know how
to introduce you, because usually say, hey, Seahawk defensive end
so and so, Seahawk running back so and so, Seahawk
wide receiver so and so. This dude real quick before
I gotta go, But I gotta ask you this. Yeah,
the credit for him and how versaally he is obviously

(37:19):
his athletic traits and who he is as a player,
but some credit has to go to how McDonald utilizes
him too, right.

Speaker 3 (37:25):
Oh, absolutely, I remember now he had Kyle Hamilton, a big, tall, rangy,
very instinctive, first round draft picks safety out of Notre Dame,
who he said, Hey, this guy so versaally tackles well,
he's got length, he can cover tight ends, he's got
quickness and strength, he can man up against little shifty guys,
and so the versatility. And then you say, well, at

(37:47):
his tape at South Carolina didn't show the instincts that
Hamilton had at Notre Dame. So if you were grading them,
he'd say, Emon Worry is a better athlete, but Hamilton
is a more instinctive player. But with Mike McDonald, Donald's
tutelage even worry. It's like, you know, it's like they say, uh,
in the business world, if you work for a big

(38:08):
six accounting firm, it's like, you know, two one year
is like two in the regular world, right, Like one
year with with Mike McDonald is like two or three
with anybody else in terms of how you just acquire
the knowledge. I don't want to say instincts, but but
but the the inclinations uh to uh to be in

(38:33):
the right spot. So so I think, yeah, that that's
how he's being coached.

Speaker 2 (38:36):
Great stuff, my friend. I appreciate it. I will talk
to you next next Monday. Man, thank you Hamberdown there
we go. That is our friend Humil and joining us
here on the Beacon Plumbing hotline. There you go, Umil,
All right, take a break, come back. Mike Sandal will
take a tour around the nfl AFC. The shifting power
in the a f C is remarkable. Talk about how
the chiefs might be done, among other things.

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Speaker 2 (40:15):
Mike's out of the Athletic joins us says he does
every Monday here thanks to Hunt Services, The Athletic, the
Athletic dot com, the Pick six comra up there on
the front page actually, like right now as we check
it out. Hello, sir, how are you. I'm doing great?
How are you good? Really good? Really good? Despite the
dreariness it is the winter months here to the Northwest.
We we trudged through it, buddy, We trudged through it.

(40:35):
That's what we do.

Speaker 4 (40:37):
So, you know, Mondays was kind of my a little
bit of recovery day, you know, from Sunday. Yeah, And
so I took our dog up for a walk today. Man,
it was raining, you know, we're here in atmospheret rivers
coming and you know, you did a couple of miles
out there, and he was so the problem is getting
him back in the house. He's so freaking wet, it's
like he's been underwater. And then he comes and jumps
all over the cat. You know, I gotta have like

(40:58):
five towels on the porch. Unbelievable.

Speaker 2 (41:01):
But we love it. We love it.

Speaker 4 (41:02):
We still love living here.

Speaker 2 (41:03):
Still. That's why we're here.

Speaker 3 (41:04):
Man.

Speaker 2 (41:04):
I lived away for a long time, and when I
wanted to get back here, I asked myself sometimes why
but but no, I wouldn't let anywhere else having lived elsewhere. Hey,
I want to I'm gonna ask you something totally off
the wall here, just behind the scenes, because I was curious.
And for anybody who's read your pick six calm, it
is awesome and it's massive and enters in there nodding
his head. It's very extensive. The work that you put

(41:26):
into it, it is. It's really incredible, all the detail,
the people you talk to around the league, the numbers
you come up with. What is a Sunday like for
Mike Sando as he gets ready to put together this
monstrosity every Sunday night Monday morning.

Speaker 4 (41:40):
Well, it's more organized than it used to be. And
when I first started doing this column in twenty nineteen,
I didn't really have my processes down and so it
would be super overly, you know, like chaotic and really
hard to do. And I think it's funny. Now I've
already started sketching in some things for next week because
there's some things I'm interested in I want to and

(42:02):
then it gives me the whole week to think about them.
So I do a lot of my research and stuff
before the games happen, kind of knowing what direction I
want to go most of the things I can do.
You know, sometimes the game goes in a certain way
that you're not going to do it that week. But
there's a lot of stuff I've kind of got going
all week. So by the time we get to you know,
I'll put in some time on Friday and Saturday of

(42:23):
maybe even starting to sketch you in a couple of
things if I think I'm going to do them, but
really Saturday morning at about six I get into my
office in the morning, and I got four hours then
to to really pour in and I'll try to get
a couple of those things, maybe even somewhat written. Like today,
for example, we had a piece I knew I was

(42:45):
going to do something, probably on Washington's roster being so old, right,
so I'm researching the old George Allen teams over the
helld Gang, and then it sort of worked out that
they lost thirty one to nothing, Like if they had
one thirty one the nothing, it's still a good story
to do, but probably it might just fall by the wayside.
But I had that kind of largely done before the
game started on on, you know what I mean. On

(43:05):
So you get a couple two or those things kind
of going early in the day and then by the
end of the day.

Speaker 2 (43:10):
You shoot it.

Speaker 4 (43:10):
It was one am before we finished.

Speaker 2 (43:12):
So it's an amazing piece of work, man, really is
every Monday. I love reading it and I appreciate you
coming on with us to discuss. We'll get to the
Over the Hill Gang aka sorry Jess dan Quinn's Washington
Commander's team in a second, horrible thing for zach Ertz
yesterday watching him go down, and Bobby's well, John Schnuder
Knwobby was old a couple of years ago. So we'll

(43:32):
get to that in a second. Let me start with this.
I tease this going into our break. It appears that
chiefs are done. If they are, why what went wrong
at six and seven? What went wrong at the perennial
power in the AFC year in and year out the
last few years? What happened here?

Speaker 4 (43:50):
Yeah? Well, I think that they do not they need
another pass rusher. I think their pass rush is not
what it had been before.

Speaker 2 (43:58):
And then I think the.

Speaker 4 (44:00):
Reliability of the receiving options for mahomes when they really
got to have it, and last night was a game
where they really needed to be on point and probably
play a fairly error free game, and they come right
out and drop a pass right away. So I think
those are the If those two things were better, I
think that they might be the number one seed this year.

(44:21):
Now beyond that, I do think that there are some
structural issues with their offense, which is still highly ranked,
and all of that in they have lost explosiveness because
they do not present a credible threat to run the ball,
and I think that that is something they need to
really evaluate this offseason to make things easier for Mahomes,

(44:44):
especially if he's not going to have guys he can trust.
You know, Kelsey's going to be done or you know,
close to it, and Rashi Rice and these other guys.
Rashi Rice, you don't know if he's going to be available.
And then as Avier Worthy's a little guy. Little guys
are hard to be consistent, you know, right to just
down and down. If you're an undersized guy at receiver,

(45:04):
you're a role player.

Speaker 1 (45:05):
You're not the guy.

Speaker 4 (45:07):
So I feel like he needs a guy, another guy
or two there that would really help him, especially if
they could convince you that they just might run the
ball here from under center and be harder to defend
in the run like a dynamic back. I think could
really help them get there.

Speaker 2 (45:23):
Yep, I think they feels like to me and Mike,
I don't know if you've talked to anybody around the
league about this particular thing. I'm gonna ask you, And
this is honestly, I'll be honest with This is coming
probably from a fantasy football perspective, and that's how most
of us watch the NFL these days, right is you know,
how's my guy doing? I just feel like there's way
too many times in which the Chiefs they might get

(45:46):
a couple solid runs from a Pacheco or even a
Hunt or whatever, and then they get away from it,
like they just get away from it. And like you
and I both talked to enough coaches over the years,
the hardest thing about running the football is being committed
to running the football and being disciplined and you know,
not being tempted to get away from it. And I
don't know, it feels like there's a philosophical issue there

(46:08):
sometimes with Kansas City as much as anything.

Speaker 4 (46:10):
It's so funny and I saw some people saying today
and I don't necessarily disagree that, you know, the idea
that they miss whatever Eric Banemy's role was, they miss it.
But you can't convince me that he was the one
to make him run the ball, because when he got
to call the offense in Washington, they threw the ball
every play with Sam Howell, So that sort of blew
that theory. But I do think he was a I
do think the enemy was kind of a you know,

(46:31):
sort of an irascible, grumpy, hard ass type of guy
who wasn't afraid to get in anyone's face, even Mahomes,
you know. And I think so there could be some
issues there just in personalities on staff that maybe behind
the scenes that could help them, or you know, somebody
and you read we all know wants to throw it.

Speaker 2 (46:49):
He just does.

Speaker 4 (46:50):
So do they need a top back, a dynamic back
to make them run it. Another thing is remember during
the year, a little bit of a thing that's gone
by the way boards here they asked, and you read
about it, and he kind of said that Patrick Mahomes
changes lot of those plays. Yeah, yeah, Well Mahomes is
probably getting that line going, Look, I want to hand
off to this guy when it's when the defense isn't

(47:11):
even worried, and I know if I'm having in my hands,
I can make a play, right, I think that, So
I think that's where they do need to get some
of that to really help him and then.

Speaker 2 (47:22):
Mike Santa with us. The opposite of that, unfortunately, is
if you are too reliant on the run, and that
would be the Indianapolis Colts, who now are have also
lost Daniel Jones, and what was just a dream season
for them has I'm not going to say it's over
at eight and five, but boy, their prospects to go
deep into the playoffs or even when an a playoff

(47:43):
game if they get there, seem to have taken a
rather substantial hit. With Riley Leonard now the quarterback.

Speaker 4 (47:49):
Yeah, well, no doubt, but I think they were going
to fall short anyway, maybe out of the playoffs. They
probably would have made the playoffs, but I just feel
like their limitations is a team that really leans into
the run was already catching up to them, and Daniel Jones,
well you know good and good can run. The offense
doesn't add a lot, isn't you know? You can see
it on third down some of the red zone stuff.

(48:09):
So I think now the fascinating part about this is,
let's just say they missed the playoffs or they're not
going to win a playoff game, probably without Daniel Jones. Now,
how do you do you honestly assess yourself in the
off season about what would have happened if Jones were healthy?
And where do you go on a contract with him? Right,
you probably want to reward him in some way, and

(48:31):
the locker room seems to love him, and no doubt
he's made a huge difference, But that's a little bit
tricky when someone's coming off of an acl ask Atlanta
with her cousins. Right, you never really got back. Now
he's a lot older, but you know, what's some mobility
going to be like for Daniel Jones for the next year.
I think they have a whole bunch of things that's
going to come down to how honest can they really
be about what they are and what they need to be.

Speaker 2 (48:53):
Mike sandler Us from the Athletic NFC Wise, Mike in
the at the top no longer is should the one seed.
They go from the one seed to the seventh seed
with one with one loss, uh, but they still sit
there at nine and four they're in the postseason there,
I guess what would that be a game ahead of
Detroit right at eight and five? Right now? Uh, and

(49:16):
Carolina is still sniffing it at seven and six. It
feels like that's I'm looking at this right now. I
don't we keep thinking San Francisco is gonna fall off?
Is it a what would it be one two three
team race for one spot that last spot in the NFC? Uh?

Speaker 4 (49:33):
Yeah, well, I mean you're you're counting Chicago or there.

Speaker 2 (49:37):
Yeah, I'm just trying to think, like Carolina is still
in a Dallas at six, six and one.

Speaker 4 (49:41):
Probably not, but probably not. I think it's probably Carolina Detroit,
you know, would be those teams, you know, just because
Dallas that was a big loss for them. I don't
rule it out, but I think that was a tough
loss for them. So yeah, you just don't feel like
most those teams, you feel, I have some flaws, you.

Speaker 2 (50:02):
Know, but Chicago is still you kind of run about.
Chicago still didn't lose that much despite dropping six spots
or seven fives.

Speaker 4 (50:09):
Well, I mean, yeah, yeah, you know, we lean on
you know, projection models and that sort of a thing,
and I think their percentage went down eight or ten percent.
It's a lot, but there's still it's still really high.
It can slip away, though, you know, I did think
for them coming down this stretch. You know, Okay, they
lose to Green Bay. Now they play Cleveland, which is
probably a win. But they have a good defense and

(50:29):
should or Sanders played pretty well yesterday and then you
got Green Bay champions to Detroit. So if they would
only win one more game, I think they probably still
make it. They could be ten and seven and make it.
But what if they lost to Detroit in the last game.
You know, I think it could get dicey for them.

Speaker 2 (50:45):
Well, how are things going for our buddy Dan Quinn?
What a what a crazy fall? Right sitting there at
three and ten after getting the NFC title game last year?

Speaker 5 (50:53):
What is it?

Speaker 2 (50:54):
Strictly we're aging out? Jane Daniels being hurt certainly didn't
help for often hurt again, always heard it feels like,
but what's going on with DQ in that team?

Speaker 4 (51:04):
Well, from a DQ standpoint, you figure he's fine, you know,
after going to the championship game and then having one
down year. But I just sense in watching him that
he's feeling some pressure, and I think when you look
at he already you know, took away the play calling
from his decordinator. I mean, to me, those are desperation
type moves. Like to me, when you go to the

(51:25):
championship game, if everyone's on board with what's going on
there and hey, we're just having a tough year, like
you don't have to do that. So that's a little
bit alarming to me. And I know Detroit did it too,
but they were sort of like out of their coordinator
left anyway, you know, Ben Johnson, and so they replaced theirs.
It's not the alarm bells. I think Dan Campbell's fine.
He's got multiple years there, they've been in the playoffs,

(51:46):
he's turned it around. For Quinn to have to do that,
to me, it's a little bit of a bad sign.
And then he also got pinned on him, even though
I think it was a little unfair that he's the
one who got Jaden Daniels hurt. Yeah, So these are
all things that make me like, Okay, what's going to
go on there now? I think their issue is roster related.

(52:07):
I think certainly some of those old guys you talked about,
and then just some of these acquisitions they've made of
the Deebo Samuel types, or the corner they got from
They got the corner from the Saints, you know a
couple of years ago, who was kind of on the
on the back nine, and and you know, just has
never really been a super consistent performer. So I think

(52:29):
there are roster issues for them, and some of it
is age.

Speaker 2 (52:33):
On top of that, Bobby looks old. I love Bobby Wagner.
Every Seahawk fan should love Bobby Wagner. Bobby looks old.
I thought he looked old last year. He was well
his second tenure in Seattle for the one year, right,
and then I forgot Nick Belore was there. I forgot
that Nick was the oldest. Nick was the oldest player
on the Seahawks his last three years. I think that

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he was here before he went and joined DQ.

Speaker 4 (52:57):
So you know, and younger fans may not know, but
like the old Washington team, the Redskins and early seventies
had this famous over the Hill gang, and all these
guys were like thirty seven, thirty six, thirty five. You
know that You look at the videos and pictures of
him now and they look like they're fifty years.

Speaker 2 (53:12):
Old, Okay, I was just gonna tell you that the
picture you guys have a sunny Jergensen in the athletics
story today. Yeah, he's thirty seven years old. I think
in that picture we say that's when Yeah, like I
dare say that, you know, none of us that are
in our fifties and sixties look like that guy. Like
that's a hard thirty seven sunny Jergensen and.

Speaker 4 (53:33):
He's ninety one now, and he was doing he was
doing like their radio until the last few years. So
uh yeah, I agree.

Speaker 2 (53:39):
I agree.

Speaker 4 (53:40):
There's a couple of beers were tipped back. You know,
he wasn't exactly they came to They came to camp
to get in shape back then. But anyway, that was
the team known for being super old. They got called
him the over the hill gang, bunch of veterans. They
were good though, and by some measures, this Washington team
is is older than that one, than that seventy one team.
Now that's those teams got older as it along, But

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still you don't want to be on that list. Especially
in today's game. It's less likely to become a super
old team just because of the way the system is
set up, with the draft being cheaper to get players
that way, and a lot of the older players have
actually been phased out. You see fewer guys in their twelve, thirteen,
fourteen years, So that's a bad spot to be in.
I always say, bet, you know, old plus bad equals fired.

(54:22):
That's true for I don't think that's true for dan Quinn.
If it is, they're a bad organization. But you know
you can't do it again next year.

Speaker 2 (54:29):
No, no, you cannot. Quick thought from Mike Sandal on
the Seahawks yesterday, win number ten on the season, all
but as sure a playoff spot at ten and three.
They're thinking about the division and that showdown with the
Rams coming up a week from Thursday this week when
they take on the Rams in Seattle. But thoughts from
Mike Sandal on the local team.

Speaker 4 (54:49):
Well, I think they look great. I think they're really
Some of these teams that are in the playoff phrase,
they're in different phases of their team. So when I
see a team like Seattle or even New England, they're
relatively new with their coaches and they're not as good
as they're going to be, but they're already good. I
think that's a great spot to be in. And one
of the tables I think I put in the in
the pick six column today was showing Seattle one of

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the youngest teams in the league and one of the best.
So it's the opposite of old and bad. If you're
young and really good and ascending, I mean, that's everything
you want to be. So I think it was inevitable
they were going to blow out Atlanta. It just took
a little bit of time. We still need to you know,
we still in the back of our minds. Donald risks
the ball some we saw it yesterday. He's got to

(55:32):
get that under control a little bit against the better team.
He'll have a chance to do here down the stretch.
Do that here down the stretch. But I love where
they're at. I love where their defense is at, the
vibe on the team. I think the coach is good,
just just really really all around a great situation.

Speaker 2 (55:47):
Mike. You know, I couldn't let you go without Hall
of Fame talk. You know that wouldn't happen. There's no
way that I'm gonna let you go without some Hall
of Fame conversation. Yeah, I was surprised you wrote this,
and maybe you can explain us why both Belichick and
Bill Belichick Robert Crawt are on the is it semi
final list right now? For the Hall of Fame of
twenty twenty six.

Speaker 4 (56:04):
Right, No, they're going to be in the room.

Speaker 2 (56:06):
In the room, okay, so finals, they'll be final us.
You don't think they'll both go in together? Why not?

Speaker 4 (56:12):
Because we saw last year what happened to Holmgren. I mean,
Mike Holmgren had all kinds of support and only one
of these five people got in, and it was Serving Charp.
And so here's the problem is each voter, there's fifty voters,
has to vote for three of the five. Okay, if
Belichick gets fifty of the fifty votes out of fifty,
then there's only one hundred votes to go around for

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the remaining four people, and they have to get at
least forty of the fifty to get in.

Speaker 2 (56:39):
So mouth doesn't work.

Speaker 4 (56:40):
Yeah, it just doesn't work. To me, It's like Craft
could have some support, But to me, Roger Craig is
I would vote.

Speaker 2 (56:46):
I like Roger Craig a lot too.

Speaker 4 (56:48):
I think Roger Craig was the rare running back, especially
in that era, but in any era.

Speaker 2 (56:53):
Who could do it all.

Speaker 4 (56:54):
He could be a starting fullback for you.

Speaker 2 (56:55):
Yep, he could block.

Speaker 4 (56:57):
He could be a thousand yard receiver for you, one
thousand yard rusher. He could be short yardage, goal line, yeah,
you name it. He could take it fifty yards. I
mean to me, he's a great player, and so he's
gonna get support. Ken Anderson's gonna get support.

Speaker 2 (57:10):
L C.

Speaker 4 (57:11):
Greenan is gonna get support. I don't see how it
happens to get Craft.

Speaker 2 (57:15):
In and Belichick's a no brainer. We all get that.
I mean the Super Bowl rings. He holds up a
hand and then has to hold up another one. That's
how it works. I you know, it's interesting this. My
friend Mike Sannel will hate when I say this. There
I hall of Fame. To me, there's times that you
just go nay, like say a name hall of Famer,
yes or no, like right, it's just is that guy
a Hall of Famer? And to me, I'm just I'm

(57:36):
surprised Roger Craig isn't a Hall of Famer yet. He
just yeah, I've always thought him like Dale Murphy and me,
should be in the Baseball Hall of Fame. By the way,
that's my little side tangent for a second, if Jeff
if Jeff kentson the Hall of Fame, my god, But
like Roger Craig everything you just said, the forty nine
ers in those glory days and homegern will tell us this, right, like,
they're not the forty nine ers without that guy. They're

(57:58):
not having that success without him.

Speaker 4 (57:59):
Yeah, well, I mean they're still going to be a
really good team. But he was a huge part of it,
right left, Yes, huge, huge part of it. I think
what hurts him is that he's unlike other players. We
compare people against each other who are in the same positions.
So when you compare two wide receivers, that's one thing.
But when you have somebody like Roger Craig, he's not.

(58:20):
Just we're not comparing Roger Craig to Frank Gore right,
or or to somebody else. Curtis Martin, who has a
lot of yards. He's in a little bit of a
different category. He's he's a little bit of Marshall Faulk,
but not as dynamic as Fulk. He as a route runner,
that sort of a thing. But you know how many

(58:40):
guys He's not going to have ten fifteen hundred yard
seasons or twelve hundred gard seasons rushing. But he's gonna
He's almost a little bit like Marcus Allen. He's just
such a great football player all the way around.

Speaker 2 (58:52):
It's good stuff. You guys will have a tough some
tough decisions, my friend. Thank you so much. Go read
the Athletics Pick six Colin Mike Sandel put together Mike
Sandel picks six. Go check it out The Athletic, Theathletic
dot Com. We'll talk to you next week, sir, Thank you,
thank you. That is Mike Sando joining us texts four
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Speaker 1 (59:14):
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Speaker 2 (59:33):
I'm gonna do it probably tomorrow andws you here tomorrow
when tomorrow. Yes, hey, we'll do a recap of all
things Factor fiction tomorrow least on our show.

Speaker 5 (59:47):
Okay, for just a quick heads up, the standings are posted. Okay,
as of now, I do have a winner. Sometimes there
are mistakes that I do make, so I leave about
twenty four hours.

Speaker 2 (59:59):
For eight hours you're working on it, you're working through
it exactly. Okay, so just hanging there, yeah, hanging there.
It's only ten thousand dollars. Yeah, it's worth the weight,
all right, let me uh yeah, So we'll do that
tomorrow four nine, four to five one? Is they still unrestricted?
Toe free text line four get more in a bad
mood today. It's a dreary day. I think that's what

(01:00:19):
it is. I think that's what it is. It's it's
but it's the holiday season. Folks, put some lights up
in your house. We did that. God, I mean, what
a difference. I'll be honest with you. It does make it.
We had the Great fur Nest flood of twenty twenty
four last year. I forgot about that. It is the worst. God,
it was the worst. For those who don't remember, our

(01:00:40):
washing machine. Washing machines have sensors on them. Yeah, they
tell you when they're full, and then they stop filling
water up and they start to cycle. And ours sensor
failed us last October third, yes I know the date.
And it flooded from upstairs downs. I just was a nightmare.
We did nothing last year Christmas decoration wise, because we
are still living in boxes, and it was you know,

(01:01:02):
both daughters. They they she and her husband have a husband.
I say a husband. That's yeah, they have a house.
They bought a house in Nescus, so they're not with us.
And Keifer was still in school, so it was just
the two of us. We you know, we did nothing
last year for four decorations. We put them up this year.
I'm telling you, it makes a difference, like it just

(01:01:23):
like you know, it lights up. Yeah, we put stuff.
We pulled out decorations. I say we My wife pulled
out decorations that we haven't pulled out for a while.
And I'm honestly because it just it's it makes lights out.
Keifer and I put lights in the front. We didn't
do that last year, so we've it just feels I know, man,
it's dreary right now, I get it. But put some

(01:01:44):
lights up to something, try to enjoy the all this.
And I bring that up for this reason. I look
at this thing. This is the first this is the
first thing that I see from the two of six
year Oka. Why do you guys leave with a bunch
of talk about the Redskins with Sandy who cares. Two things.
They're the Commanders now Sando, and we actually do an

(01:02:04):
NFL segment with Sando. And we didn't lead with the Commanders.
We led with I brought up the Chiefs, which I
think is relevant being is the team that goes to
the Super Bowl every year from that conference is out?
But that's why. So who cares people care about the NFL.
I can't help you. So that's that's grumpy person number one.

(01:02:28):
There's two six two six. Since when do we play
inconsequential Bowl games on the same day as Army Navy game?
And I'm both ex military and you do graduate. Oh
by the way, go Army beat Navy. Check that numbers
that great? Now, I didn't got you, didn't got you,
deab So since when do we play inconsequential bowl games

(01:02:48):
on the same well, because that's just the day it
falls there. It is what it is world. I'm surprised
how early the label is though, trying to fit them
all in. And oh, by the way, it's in so
far you got to fit that in. Betwe two NFL teams, right, yeah,
I mean scheduling, and all due respect to Army Navy,
not everybody in the country cares about Army Navy. I know. Sorry,

(01:03:11):
it's but it's amazing. It's amazing and justin Gregord be
their Friday. But I get why they're doing it. They
play it there. Heisman's that day as well. I think
the bigger question is why is there a bowl game
going on opposite the Heisman ceremony? Yeah, because that's when
it's going on. Actually, I do believe if I'm not mistaken.
But anyway, we move on. But see where else is
the next one that was?

Speaker 1 (01:03:31):
It was.

Speaker 2 (01:03:40):
Okay, I'll read, I'll read it. I'll do a couple
of months. All right, No, actually this one go into
my first cracking games night. Anything random cool that is
a must do at the arena. Be there early please.
So two things. One, go see my friends at Queen
Aneber I'll beforehand, Yes, treat yourself to a smash burger.
Best smash burgers in town. They are absolutely sensation. Best

(01:04:01):
pregame spot around is the Queen and it's a short
five minute walk up the hill and you're at the
at the arena. So I highly, highly highly recommend the
Queen An Beer Hall. That's number one. Jess is right,
get there, be in your seats when the opening ceremonies
and stuff that their game production. I had somebody that

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works for an NFL team tell me the other day.
He said, I've been to every NFL stadium, been all
across all these places. The game production, the Kraken game production,
my man Lamont Beufford does it is the best he's
seen in any sport anywhere. So it's unbelievable. Yeah, say
it's phenomenal.

Speaker 1 (01:04:37):
Be so.

Speaker 2 (01:04:38):
I yeah. My son and his buddies went to the
game on Saturday, and Kiever had been there before, but
a couple of friends had never been there. And they said,
and I said, make sure you're in your seats by
six fifty five of the latest, at the very latest.
If you're there at six fifty two, don't look at
the big screens because I'll be on them tonight. So
it don't do that. Because foorest one's awesome. I'm feeling

(01:05:00):
in for Oh I am going to be filming. But
the other part of it is in the second mission
right tonight. Second yeah, second, yep, Yeah, we got a
thing Softy Infane are doing the bungee pole thing. Oh no,
one on one one v one Yeah, So be in
your seats for that. Now, if you're not at the

(01:05:21):
here's the thing. If you're not at the game, I
know this. Our production truck has been fully informed of
such an event and there will be that will be
on the ball all over the internet. It will be
on it will be on the broadcast tonight. Let's go. Okay,
so that'll be good. So yeah, get there early. Must
do with the arena. Just get there to make sure
you're there. Check out the team. So it's awesome, but
just get there early. Okay. Uh, let's see final thing?

(01:05:42):
Oh what's that?

Speaker 6 (01:05:45):
I can't wait for the Kellogg strawberry and cream for
Rousted Minivate Bowl.

Speaker 2 (01:05:49):
I'm like doing. We played in the Jesus Bowl, like
you're playing all kinds of crazy goals. Okay. Somebody asked,
do I like Eggno? Are you fan of eggnot?

Speaker 1 (01:05:57):
Yes? You do?

Speaker 2 (01:05:59):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (01:06:00):
Has to be a moderation though, And it's like Christmas,
and I hate the people that try and make all
of November Christmas time too.

Speaker 2 (01:06:07):
Now in moderation.

Speaker 3 (01:06:14):
And it is.

Speaker 2 (01:06:15):
It's the bigger question is with the eggnog, what do
you put with it? That's the question. Okay, Yeah, that's
a good one. I go with clear rum, white rum,
like just clear but whatever, just cheap and go cheap.
It doesn't even matter. But just clear but clear rum, okay,
white rum, whatever you want to call it. I haven't
tried the spice frum. I might do that. It's good.

Speaker 1 (01:06:36):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:06:36):
Listen. You can also go bourbon. A lot of people
do that as well, and I just I have I
don't have any swill bourbon that I want to put
an eggnog. Yeah, I have a pretty decent collection of
brown water, and I just want it on rocks. I
don't need it an eggnog. So I need to, like

(01:06:58):
I guess, to do that, right, I'd have to buy
something crummy that gives us a good segue into tomorrow,
because it's not crummy because, like I said, I have
good brown water, like really good. We're gonna be at
Chambers Bay. I will be at Chambers Bay tomorrow, Chambers
Bay Distillery Tasting Room down in University Place right on
Bridgeport Avenue. We will be there tomorrow. I will be

(01:07:21):
there tomorrow from one till three. They're going to open
up early. They've got all kinds of specials going on.
So if you're looking, if you're like me, and a
lot of your gifts include Spirits great place to go
to get your spirit stuff taken care of. In terms
of your Christmas gifts. They also have this year's version

(01:07:44):
of their Captain's Reserve Bourbon, which is their high end
top shelf stuff, coming out debuting tomorrow. I am told
it's the best one they've ever done. Now I will
confirm that tomorrow because I can't just take somebody's word
for it, Alan, Jeff, I can't just take your word
for it. I need to confirm that it's the best
I have. Sounds like I have a smidge left of

(01:08:07):
last year's like just a I hoard, like when I
get to the end, like just no one else. Uh yeah,
my son likes it now too.

Speaker 1 (01:08:15):
Souch.

Speaker 2 (01:08:15):
Just kind of a bad thing. Yeah, But anyway, we'll
be down there tomorrow, honestly, and I'll tell you why
we're going to be there, because those guys are awesome.
They donate so much every year to the Mayor and
Maple Valley Open. They bring their whiskey wagon out there
and they donate everything, and it's just we make a

(01:08:37):
really nice amount of money just off of what they
do for us. And I go down there and we're
gonna do a two hour infomercial and thank those guys
and urge you to come by. I can't make it tomorrow.
At some point during the holidays, swing by, especially down
in Tacoma area, swing by their tasting room, grab a
Kraft cocktail or grab a bottle for Christmas, for the holidays.
But I can't thank those guys enough. There's a handful

(01:08:57):
of companies, really a lot of companies and people on
individuals that we could not do. The mayor Maple Valley
Open with out and Georgetown is at the top of
the list, and right there with them, and Prime Electric
and Lone River Ranch Water our chambers made the stealery.
Those guys are all just massive, massive parts of what
we do, and so we're going down there to thank

(01:09:17):
them tomorrow. Eggnog, the only winning move is not to
play stop it. Eggnog's great. Oh this is gonna be okay.
We'll just get into this tomorrow, all right, We'll just
keep the debate going. This is like a relapse of
our Thanksgiving timy conversation. Brown sugar, bourbon and eggnog will
change your life. That's I'm not sure I might have
to take my son's insulin at that point. Brown sugar,

(01:09:40):
eggnog and bourbon.

Speaker 6 (01:09:42):
Yeah, that's a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:09:44):
I'm just like dang, I check my blood sugar at
that point. Man, all right, we get We're gonna We'll
continue this conversation tomorrow. All right, Fane joined us. Next.

(01:10:04):
All right, two things before I get to the Friday
game that you called, oh still busting, I'm still buzzed.
We had two really good games, and we get I'm
three and four a uh say, high school champion. Shout
out to Oday and Sumner the two and the other
Friday game is really good and all the schools that
want it. Yeah, before I get to that, I'm just
telling Andrews this in the break he's he's I think

(01:10:26):
he's in a booth out there prepping for the pregame show.
We've all done this, sent the text to the wrong thread.
Oh yeah, So we have a we have a text
chain with the Crack and broadcast crew that is kind
of an internal thing. They give us a little heads
up if someone's going on the injured list, or here's
the lineups for tonight before they get both, just so
we can do our prep work and all that very

(01:10:47):
kind of just very kind of quiet official, very official. Yeah,
nobody's the whole the banter banter. It's not like a
text threw between me Jackson Softie. No, no, no, no,
it's not like us boys.

Speaker 1 (01:11:01):
No.

Speaker 2 (01:11:01):
Yeah, yeah, we have the hockey Boys one. We have
a mollywop one. No, it's not like that. This is
like going off on tangents.

Speaker 1 (01:11:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:11:08):
Thread. Yeah, there's no way we would ever make the
molluwap thread public. That would get a lot of people
in trouble. Oh yeah, but this is just here's the lineups. Thanks.
So we get the lamps and all of a sudden,
I see this thing and it's like, oh, what the
hell we just got something else happened because they put
Berkeley caton on or he's not on injury reserve. He's
missed a couple weeks, so he broke his hand or
hurt his hand or something. Anyway, two thirty four PM

(01:11:29):
I miss you too from Mike Benton, followed up by
it and there it is a text of the wrong
person missus Benton. Sorry, folks, carry on. Everyone's just busting
his chops. It's the most no two things. It's very
bent like yes, very bent like but very smoot. We've
all done that. Yes, we've all sent it to you know,

(01:11:50):
love you too, whatever to your wife or whatever it is.
And then it's like, oh, I actually sent that to Anders. Yes,
I love you, but not like that, John Forestland, I
miss you so much, Mikey, I can't take it. I
think Forland's in Toronto tonight for a game. Excellent. You
get to do the broadcast tonight. Yeah, I'll be on

(01:12:12):
the call tonight. So uh, bumps to TV, right and you.
I do TV every TV y ever it does, Everet does.
So Foresland does Monday Night hockey on Prime Network in Canada.
It's a Canada Monday Night Hockey Canada thing. It's like
Thursday football fir. Yeah, but it's only in Canada for
the most part. So it's so he does those Monday nights.
So Monday night games at home I do on TV

(01:12:34):
Monday night games on the road on TV ever it does, okay, yeah,
and then be will do the radio for those, so
and then you and then yeah, Andrews gets a host.
So yeah, so there's one of the seven or eight
games I'm doing at home this year. So yeah, Minnesota today.
You got to do a hell of a game on Friday.
Oh it's fabulous. Lance McGee man, I'm still buzzing about
this kid.

Speaker 6 (01:12:53):
Six touchdowns, almost four hundred yards rushing, broke every single championship.

Speaker 2 (01:12:58):
Game record that could be broken in every classific gags.
That was a Saturday game. Saturday, I'm taking Friday. I'm sorry.
Saturday game. Yeah, Saturday, yea, yeah, yeah, yeah, Friday. It
was great too.

Speaker 6 (01:13:07):
It didn't go to overtime and didn't and didn't have
seventy six points score no weather.

Speaker 2 (01:13:13):
It wasn't bad.

Speaker 6 (01:13:13):
Huh, not bad because you were think of going in
that that would have really kind of messed it up, right,
would have messed up the passing games? Yes, and really
only when one team through when that was Lake Stevens. Yeah,
I mean I think I think Sumner through twice.

Speaker 2 (01:13:25):
Keith.

Speaker 6 (01:13:29):
When you've got a running back averaging ten yards of carry,
to just keep giving him the ball, he had forty
he had like forty four carries.

Speaker 2 (01:13:37):
That's awesome. That's awesome. How about Oregon State?

Speaker 1 (01:13:40):
How is it?

Speaker 2 (01:13:41):
How is how is Husky Stadium? For the station? I
thought that was good. It was the first time I'd
ever first time I've ever done a game. Is it
too big? I don't think so. Yeah, I don't think so.

Speaker 6 (01:13:53):
I mean I my perspective was from the press box,
and I thought I thought it was really cool.

Speaker 2 (01:13:57):
Only asked that for this for I think it's cool
you get to play in a big time stadium is
Austin as a kid, but I always I did the
state championships in Oregon for a few years, and we
used to them at PG Park and then that got remodeled,
so we ended up doing the last two or three
years I did at Austin. This is that'd be cool
at Addsin. The only thing with Austin they only had
fans on one side, and I thought it was odd.
It was just too they had fans on both sides.

(01:14:19):
You got to do that, Yeah, that's what I thought.
Our fans were behind there. Yeah, and they split it
down the middle like from the forty five to the
twenty forty five to the twenty It was I just
didn't like it. So No, it's great, good, great, Well,
I'm glad. I'm glad we do that on KJR. Next
up is his high school basketball championships in March down
at Yes, Yes, it'll be a lot warmer there and
the whare we go? All right? What we got coming
up today? Oh big show.

Speaker 6 (01:14:39):
We've got to Representative Adam Smith's going to join us
in the four o'clock hour after we spent an entire
hour with Hught breaking down the Seahawks game, because we
got to do that from three to four.

Speaker 2 (01:14:49):
Yeah, he's going to talk about that the score act
and how up in the air it is.

Speaker 6 (01:14:54):
And I guess the votes came into are the they
pushed it off, so there's gonna be no votes. We're
gonna find out what the what the update is on
not because college football obviously needs to do there's a
lot of things in college football that need to be fixed.

Speaker 2 (01:15:05):
So we're gonna talk to him about that at at
four o'clock.

Speaker 6 (01:15:08):
Cliff, he's gonna join us at five, Cliff Avril all
right talking about it. I'm I'm gonna ask him.

Speaker 2 (01:15:12):
I'll say, so, Cliff, how much better is this defensive line?

Speaker 3 (01:15:18):
That clip for me?

Speaker 2 (01:15:19):
Save that, Cliff, And then our.

Speaker 6 (01:15:22):
Resident, our resident baseball expert, Chuck pal is gonna break
down the Jose Ferrer Harry Ford Tree.

Speaker 2 (01:15:30):
Weird one, Yeah, it's one weird Yeah, it's a interesting one. Okay.
Uh and I'll see you tonight at the arena. Yes,
second mission, second a mission. Yes, bungee poll or whatever
it is, Softy versus Fain and the bungee. I was gonnae.

Speaker 3 (01:15:46):
Now I have to go.

Speaker 2 (01:15:47):
I'm just I'm just word as long. I don't care
what happens, as long as I come out unscathed. Yeah's
you're fine.

Speaker 6 (01:15:54):
I don't care if he drags me around like a
rag doll because he weighs forty pounds more than I do. Fine,
as long as I don't, I come out with all
fingers toes, no brick and broken bones, no acls.

Speaker 2 (01:16:05):
One of you works out every day and one of
you doesn't. That's true. That's a good point.

Speaker 3 (01:16:08):
That's true.

Speaker 2 (01:16:08):
Put my miles into our rated day factor fiction. I'm
picking Fain.

Speaker 4 (01:16:15):
For the mild mannered and marginally objectionable Inverness. This is
paddled day saying so long everyone,

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