Furness Show 3-17: 2026 Bracketology Show with Gary Parrish

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we have a bracket as well. How is Gary Parrish
doing today? Have you got any sleep yet?

Speaker 4 (04:04):
I mean I probably knocked out about three and a
half hours, which is fairly normal for this time of
the year. But anytime I start to complain about that,
I remind myself very quickly that my job is to
talk about a bracket like they're a worse things I
could be doing today. My eyes hurt. I won't lie
and tell you my eyes feel great. My eyes are

(04:24):
hurting a little bit. But I'm lucky to get to
do this, and this is always an exciting time of
the year.

Speaker 2 (04:29):
We love it and we appreciate you coming on and
be doing it for many years now, with only that
one new little year interrupted along the way. That was horrible.
We won't ever think about that again. But let's get
to this and we'll get We'll get through the brackets
in a second in the next segment. But I was
kind of it's always fun to talk. And I know
I love this because you and Matt Norlander on the
Iron College Basketball you kind of you guys have been
really good about like I like, if you're not in

(04:50):
that's fine. We don't care about you, and we move on.
But this year was an interesting year. First of all,
the brackets came out and it felt like a they
got almost all of it right, with a couple of
seating issues, which we'll get to in a second, but
the biggest story all on the way was who's in
and who's out? And mostly is Miami of Ohio in?
You told us last Friday they're in. Doesn't matter, they're in,

(05:13):
but who's out? Auburn with its sixteen losses? What about
Oklahoma and all that? So let's just start there. Did
they get it right with the actual field of sixty
eight and the teams that were in and the teams
that were left out?

Speaker 4 (05:27):
I think they did. I mean it's the same sixty
eight that I would have had, same thirty seven at
large as that I would have had. And I think
if you go to a website like bracketmatrix dot com
where they take all of the brackets or at least
lots of the brackets that are out there on the
internet and keep track of them and like, then great
them at the end. I don't know if it's most,
but certainly a not insignificant percentage of bracketologists, the ones

(05:51):
you see on ESPN and CBS, but also like the
ones who are just you know, doing it for fun
on their own little website. A significant portion got it
right eight and that suggests that the committee was in
line with what the general college basketball community thought should happen.
I thought they got the four seeds exactly, the four

(06:11):
number one seeds exactly right in the right order. And
so I haven't gone back and looked at every bracket
that I can remember over the past twenty years, but
in my time of doing this, and maybe I'm just
you know, prisoner of the moment, but it felt like
that was the cleanest bracket we've ever gotten. Like there
weren't a whole lot of complaints. I know Vanderbilt has

(06:34):
gotten a little bit of attention. Some people thought it
should be a three. Instead they were a five. I
would have had them a four, so like they're in
that range. I didn't even mind what they did with Miami, Ohio,
and I thought the way they explained it made perfect
sense to me, and so that was another thing I appreciated.
I do those interviews with either the NCAA tournament selection

(06:54):
chair or co chair every selection Sunday, right after the
bracket comes out, and sometimes it almost feels like you're
talking to a White House Press secretary, like you're asking
them a question about something that is you know, there's
no way they're going to be able to explain this well,
but that's their job. They'll give it their best shot
and they look ridiculous on TV. It happened last year,
but I didn't think it happened this year at all.

(07:16):
It was Keith Field, or chair or Martin Newton the
co chair. They had answers for everything, explanations for everything,
and their decision to place Miami, Ohio in the bracket
based on results but then seed them based on predictive metrics.
That totally falls in line with what they say they're
going to do. And I think it's the proper way

(07:37):
to treat a team that did take a quad three
loss in their conference tournament. If you're complaining about the
bracket today, you're a misguided Auburn fan or a misguided
Oklahoma fan, but probably nobody else well.

Speaker 2 (07:49):
And I think that first of all, college Football Playoff
Committee could take a Those are the two guys that
the chair and the coacher. You guys have the co
chair on CBS Sports Network, no one or talked I
think to the chair as well well on the on
the I College Basketball podcast. Both of those guys one
was a Sun Belt commissioner and the other I'm not
sure where he was from. Who's the co chair of

(08:10):
close Buffalo. Yeah, like that's the college football playoff committee.
Those two dudes should do like a clinic in the
summer and say this is how you do it. Because
when you listen to them, they had everything dialed in,
and you go, Okay, these guys know what they're talking about.
They're not just sitting around having some donuts and coffee
and watching a couple of games and saying, yeah, let's
put a couple of big brands in there. Make sure

(08:31):
that Notre Dame gets taken care of. Make sure that
you know that Ohio State and I'm talking football gets
taken No, these guys knew exactly what they were talking about.
I thought it was well done. Let me get to
the seating, because that's the important one. If people have
learned nothing else from Gary Parrish over the last eight
years having you on, it's not so much that a
team gets seated too high or too low mostly too low,

(08:53):
and it affects that team. It's what it does to
the rest of the bracket. And it seems like Vanderbilt
is the one that everyone's talking about about to seed
this a little bit too low, and that affects more
than just a Vanderbilt commodores.

Speaker 4 (09:08):
Yeah, this is one where it's not egregious. But I
do think it's a bit of a miss. But I
also acknowledge that it's a little bit nitpicking because broadly speaking,
I think the bracket was really good, and I think
one of the reasons the perception of the bracket's really good,
And perhaps that's that's the real way to frame it, Like,
who knows if a bracket's good or not. It's just
that the way they explain the process it seems to

(09:31):
line up with what they tell you they're trying to do.
And that's the other reason. Not to get off track here,
But that's the other reason I think this went so well,
and the reason the bracketologists who do this for a
living can typically fall in pretty good line with the
actual bracket. It's because they fly people to Indianapolis and

(09:52):
put them through the entire process. You know what it
looks like you know what it feels like, you know
how the conversations work, you know what matters and what doesn't.
I've joked about this before. My wife is the best wife.
She does not follow college basketball that closely, evidence being
that I got snowed in home in a recent week
where we were just sitting around watching college basketball as

(10:14):
a family in ways that we don't normally do because
I'm not typically there during the season too much. And
just to emphasize the point, the graphic Stephen Pearl popped
up during an Auburn game and she said, is that
Bruce Pearl's? Is he related to Bruce Pearl? And I
had to explain that whole thing, but she didn't know
until that. And then John Shire popped up on the
screen and she said, is that that's the Duke coach?

Speaker 5 (10:36):
Right?

Speaker 4 (10:36):
And I said yes? And she said what happened to
Coach K? And I said he retired and she said,
oh yeah, I was wondering if he was coaching anywhere else.
He was good, wasn't he? I said, yes, Coach K
was good, honey. He was very good at coaching basketball.
So that's where we're at. This is my point. I
could take her to Indianapolis with me, put her through
one of those workshops, and by the end of it

(10:59):
she would know exactly what matters and what doesn't. You
can give anybody with a decent iq, a kimpom subscription,
access to the net and a few other metrics, and
they can put together a bracket. And the reason I
think the incatively is very smart to make it so
transparent is that there's not a lot of arguments usually,
and there weren't really last night. We all understand the process.

(11:21):
We all know what you're trying to do, so that's
what we try to do. And when we show all
our work at the end, it kind of looks the
same because we were all looking for the same stuff.
So that's why I think the bracket is largely considered good.
But the Vanderbilt thing is a place where it just
feels like they got it wrong. Vanderbilt right now is
twelfth at kimpom. I have them thirteenth in the top

(11:41):
twenty five, and one twelfth at kimpom would equate to
a three seed. Thirteenth would equate to the best four
instead that are five at the end of the day.
Not the biggest thing. But if you're a Vanderbilt fan,
you feel like you're underseated. And if you're a fan
of the team having to play Vanderbilt in the first round,
you feel like you're playing a team that's better than
the i've seed you should be playing otherwise.

Speaker 2 (12:01):
Yeah, McNeese. And then if you're Nebraska and you finally
get your first ever tournament win, you see them in
the second round in Nebraska's going like Fred Hoiberg's going,
I'll wait a second, Really, is that what I got?
I got that in the second round along the way Gonzaga,
they're a three seed, feels like a little high for
a team that may not have one of their best players.

Speaker 4 (12:20):
I would have had him a four, in part because
I think that's more in line with where the resume is,
but also because they're missing one of their two best players,
have been missing him for a while. I think you
and I had talked about it at some point when
I was in Spokane for the San Francisco game on
the sideline for CBS Sports Network. I didn't make like

(12:40):
a big breaking news thing about it, But when you
started asking people, so, how's Brayden doing, you did not
hear good things. It was not like always almost ready.
I know the initial timeline was like four to eight weeks,
and it was clear after spending a few days in
Spokane around that campus, that it was going to be
closer to eight than four. And now we know it

(13:01):
succeeded the eight, like the eight he should have already played,
and so I guess there's some thought that you know
he could come back at some point, But even then,
you're dropping in somebody who hasn't been playing basketball for
a while. You're dropping him into a single elimination tournament
where the dude you've been playing with and winning trophies with,

(13:22):
they're used to playing with each other. Everybody's sort of
comfortable at this point without him. Doesn't mean that you're
not better with them, obviously, but you're probably not as
comfortable with him just dropping it in. So this is
not ideal. They're not the only program dealing with a
significant injury. North Carolina's got one. B why U's got one,
But it's yeah, it would have been a type of thing.
If I were in the committee, I would have argued

(13:43):
for instead of three. But I'll never argue against the
Zags too.

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what people have been waiting for is they sit around
and they're on CBS, foors Dot and they're getting ready
to fill out a bracket or they already have. They're
gonna wait a second. I just heard Gary Parrish say this,
I'm gonna switch my bracket around. I'm gonna I'm gonna
change things up. I've got I got stuff to do.

(14:08):
I got a survivor pool later this week, which I do,
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Speaker 2 (14:56):
All Right, love the music, love that here in the March.
It's a glorious time. Games start tonight in the first four.
But let's get let's just get to the brackets themselves.
And I think, just based on I'm looking at the
CBS Sports bracket, we'll just go top left, bottom left,
top right, bottom right and kind of go there. Duke

(15:17):
is the one seed, number one overall seed. They're in
the East. Yukon is the number two seed in that.
In that bracket, Gary, let's start with the Duke Blue Devils.
We talked about injuries. They got a significant one.

Speaker 4 (15:29):
They're awesome, deserving of being the number one overall seed
in this bracket. John Shire is the ACC Coach of
the Year, legitimate National Coach of the Year candidate. He
replaced a lot from last season's team, most notably Cooper
Flagging Konkin Nipple, and yet that program is still running
at the tip top of the sport. But Caleb Foster

(15:50):
has had surgery and still they haven't put a timetable
on it. He ain't gonna play in the opening game
and probably not in round of thirty two, and there's
no guarante he will play again for the Blue Devils.
Patrick Gangba also missed the ACC tournament. He is expected
to be back, but he hasn't played in a minute.
And so, yeah, you'd love to have Cameron Boozer heading

(16:12):
into this NCAA tournament. But I don't know any coach
who wants to be down forty percent of their starting
lineup heading into the NCBLA tournament. And that's what Duke
has been, you know, in recent weeks. And then you
look at the bracket, at least that region, it's loaded.
I mean Duke, Yukon, Michigan State, Kansas, UCLA, Louisville. I mean,

(16:33):
those are six programs that have won multiple NCAA tournaments.
So some of the biggest brands in the sport all
shoved into one region. You talk about Tom Izzo, Bill Self,
Rick Patino, those are Hall of Fame coaches already. Dan
Hurley will be someday john Shire is on track to
be some day. So I don't remember a specific region

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with this many brands and this many accomplished coaches still
operating at the tip top of the sport. But whoever,
whoever comes out of the East, and it could be
Duke Yukon, Saint John's, if Darren Peterson gets going Kansas,
almost nothing would surprise me. But whoever comes out of
the East is gonna They're gonna have some big names

(17:15):
under their belt because there's no way to get out
of there without knocking off some of the biggest brands
and best coaches in college basketball.

Speaker 2 (17:21):
Yeah, it's kind of I think you guys called the
blue Blood Bracket last night. I mean, that's kind of
what it looks like, right with all those teams. I
just want to see UCLA beat UCF and Yukon beat
Furman because Mick Cronin and Dan Hurley on the sidelines.
I don't know who the officials would be in that game, Gary,
but I think I mean that, I mean, are you

(17:41):
kidding me? Like those two guys chewing you know what
the whole game.

Speaker 4 (17:45):
No, that should be the equivalent of like six months
in prison, Like you get a felony conviction, and just like,
do you want to do six months federal prison or
do the next forty minutes of this Dan Hurley Mick
Croning game. You might? You might. I mean, I've never
been to prison. I don't know, but I've been around
Mick and Dan and I know what that's like at least.
So yeah, that's not a fun assignment for any official.

(18:07):
But it'll be fun to watch. It'll be fun to
watch on TV if we get there.

Speaker 2 (18:11):
Mick Cronin is the UCLA team. We make fun of Mick,
Mick crod and all the time out here in Seattle
because of his constant complaining about travel. Listen, that's a
you problem. You guys decided you wanted to go to
the Big ten. Not I mean, I know, maybe it
wasn't you necessarily, Mick, But that's a U problem with
Usuazoo fans and OREGUS State fans say tough, you know what,
enjoy it. But they're playing on the eat in the East.

(18:32):
They don't win back there. Does that matter in the
tournament at all? Because they don't win back I don't
think they won even in the tournament the last time
they played back East.

Speaker 4 (18:39):
I mean Mick. This is like Mick complains about everything right,
Like like he can beat Perdue and then immediately find
something that he doesn't like about the postgame meal. It'd
be like, yeah, we're happy about the win, but you
wouldn't believe the pizzas they brought in the locker room. Like,
you know, he's always got something to be upset about.
But the one thing that he also has data to

(19:00):
support is that UCLA specifically, but West Coast teams in
general do not perform well going west to east. It
gets complicated for teams also going east to west, Like
we didn't used to travel like this in college athletics
for conference play. So yeah, NC State is at a

(19:23):
disadvantage flying across the country and playing at Cow or
Stanford or whatever. But it is more dramatically undeniable going
west to east as opposed to east to west. And
it's why Mick put together a non league schedule this year.
I believe if you go look at it, they didn't
leave California. They dropped out of the CBS Sports Classic.

(19:44):
You know, that's a big event that they had been
a part of for a while with Kentucky and North
Carolina and Ohio State. Well, for the first time ever
a different school was a part of that lineup. They
took out UCLA put in Saint John's, and I don't
belie that was a choice by CBS as much as
UCLA didn't want to go to Atlanta and play an

(20:05):
Onnleague game. Like Mick is pretty adamant about this. He
thinks he's at a disadvantage in the Eastern time zone
with the UCLA basketball program. So it is on some
level hilarious that they sent them to Philadelphia, because I
can't wait to I mean, it's some man who complained
about seeing the Statue of Liberty twice in like a
side of a month as the UCLA coach, which I
get kind of hilarious. But now he gets the Rocky

(20:28):
statue and the Liberty Bell. I guess he'll be pitching
about that since.

Speaker 2 (20:32):
He will be Garry Perris joining us again. It's our
March Badness bracketology show here at Snoqualm Hotel and casino
and sports booker in the hawks Peak Sports Bar and
Grill in that region. Tom Izzo's Michigan State team, they
feel a good front line, got some good guard play, Yukon.
The experience, at least for a couple of the guys
Saint John's which took care of Yukon a couple times

(20:53):
this year rather handily, all seemed like dangerous teams. Who
are the biggest threats to number one seed Duke in
the East, who does Gary Parrish like kind of sneaking
through and maybe even an upset or two.

Speaker 4 (21:06):
The ones I'd be concerned about are Saint John's and
Yukon just because you know, people thought Yukon was on
track to be a one seed, you know, up until
say two weeks ago, and still had a path there
if they would have won the biggest tournament. In fact,
had they won the biggest tournament beat Saint John's Saturday
Night in the Garden, they would have been the fourth
number one seed. So now they're in your region. And honestly,

(21:29):
they took a loss to Arizona early at Yukon at
home that if they'd have been healthy, they were down
two starters. They probably don't lose that game just because
they're elite and at home, and then they would have
been a one seed. So now they're in your way
theoretically on the way to Indianapolis, also Saint John's. I
know Saint John's got off to a rough start, but

(21:49):
they're also nineteen and one in their past twenty they
won the Big East outright, won the Big East Tournament,
got two wins over Yukon in that stretch, two wins
over in CUA Tournament team Villanova. In that stretch, they
at the Big East player of the year and one
of the greatest, if not the greatest college basketball coaches
of all time. They're also in your path. There's a
scenario where in consecutive games, Duke has to beat Saint

(22:10):
John's and Yukon to get to the Final four, and
you might have to do that without Caleb Foster. And
we'll see about Patrick Gomba.

Speaker 1 (22:19):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (22:20):
Duke deserves everything it has received this season, the number
one ranking, the number one overall seed, But I don't
love this path. This is not the one seed that
I feel has the safest path to the final four.
In fact, it's I think maybe the toughest, the toughest path,
which is funny how it works that way.

Speaker 2 (22:36):
Let's get to the e of the South that's on
the bottom left of your CBS Sports bracket. Florida is
the one seed, Shitty Doo, our friend from Wazoo and
Company defending Champs. Houston is the two seed in the
in the South, and that immediate I think immediately went
well well. Calvin Sampson two seed dangerous in Florida. Wally
Zerbiak on Sunday Night was adamant about this is not

(22:59):
your normal Kilvin Sampson defense. First Houston team, How dangerous
is the two seed to the number one seed Florida?

Speaker 4 (23:06):
Very in part because if you get to the Elite
eight and it's a one versus two matchup, that game
is going to be played at the Toyota Center in Houston, Texas.
It's going to be a home game for Houston. And
this is the point I made last night on or
two nights ago on the Ion College Basketball Podcast. I
understand that this is allowed, Like I get the bracketing principles.

(23:27):
You know, as I've mentioned before, the NCAA is very
transparent with how they do this and what they're allowed
to do and what they're not allowed to do, what
matters and what doesn't. So I understand how this happens.
It is just a fundamental flaw with bracketing. Principles that
if I were in charge, I would change. Not everybody would.
This is not a consensus, but here's my point, and

(23:48):
I guess maybe it's something that I care about because
I watched it up close and felt how unfair it felt.
What I mean is Florida is the one seed they earned.

Speaker 5 (23:58):
That.

Speaker 4 (23:59):
That's what the committee to every bracketologist by the time
we got to six pm Eastern on Sunday, had Florida
as the fourth number one. Not really an argument. Then
they get placed in the South Region, which is where
they would go as the fourth number one. Nobody's arguing
they are allowed to then take Houston as the best
number two and put them with the worst number one.

(24:23):
No argument there. But in this very specific set of circumstances,
what that creates is a possible matchup. In fact, the
most likely matchup you could get in the Elite eight
would be a Florida Houston game. And if we get there,
the one seed that spent four plus months, nineteen weeks
earning that one will have to play a road game

(24:45):
in the Elite eight against the two seed, and I
don't think that's fair. I've talked to the committee chairs
about this. They will every time tell you two things,
one ones and twos. Meeting the Elite eight only about
thirty percent of the time. So to account for that
and manipulate the bracket because of that, you're doing it
for something that's not gonna happen on average about seventy

(25:07):
percent of the time. Okay, fine, but it still happens
thirty percent of the time, and it is the most
likely thing to happen. So think about this, like the
NBA Draft lottery. Nobody is actually the fate, like has
great odds to win the lottery. It's like fourteen percent
is the best, but you do, but that is the best.
You know, that's the best and the most likely matchup

(25:31):
you can get in the Elite eight always, barring some
weird kim Pum numbers, is going to be one versus two.
And when I say I lived through this, soughtup close.
My last year before I moved to CBS Sports, I
was the Memphis beat writer covering John Caliperry's Tigers. They
played four plus months, earned the number one seed in
the West Region two thousand and six in CAA tournament,

(25:53):
UCLA was the number two seed. The West Region was
in Oakland, and they got to the Elite eight. It's
one seed Memphis, two seed Ucla. And you walk into
the building and it's fifteen thousand UCLA fans and like
two thousand Memphis fans. Memphis was in a road game
as the one seed. That didn't seem right. I remember

(26:14):
John Keller Perry screaming about it. And though nobody is
really yelling about this right now other than me, I
guess just trust me when I tell you, if we
get to that game, everybody who talks about this stuff
on TV is gonna look up and go, hold up,
why is Florida as the one seed outright SEC champ
having to play a lower seeded teams in its city?
Why is Florida playing Houston in Houston? Does that seem fair?

(26:38):
Everybody will repeat what I'm saying if we get to
that game. But because of the way the bracketing principles
are allowed, it's a totally allowable thing to do. I
just think it's a flaw in the process. I get
maybe I'm the me and Kelvin Sampson right now might
be the only people who care about this, but or
rather me and Todd Golden right now might be the
only people who care about this, but it's a flaw
in the system that I think should be addressed.

Speaker 2 (27:00):
In that region. Illinois is a three seed. We know
they can score, they can't defend. It's like first team
to whatever is gonna win that game. So Nebraska is
the four seed. They've never won an NCAA tournament game.
Who are the dangerous teams to Florida and Houston in
that bracket?

Speaker 4 (27:16):
I think Illinois, obviously, because you had the best offense
in the country in terms of adjusted offensive efficiency. So
I know the cliche is defense wins championships. And it
is interesting. The three best teams in the country the
ones that come off the board one two three, Duke, Arizona, Michigan,

(27:36):
And this wasn't even really debatable by the time we
got to the end. They're one two three on the
seed line. There're one two three in the top twenty
five and one one two three in the net Ken Palm, Evan, Mia, Bart,
Torovick everywhere. Interestingly, they're also one two and three in
adjusted defensive efficiency. The three best teams in the country
are also the three best defensive teams in the country.
They're also very good on offense, but they are the

(27:56):
best teams on the defensive end of the core, so
this might be a year or defense wins championships. But
Illinois is the best offensive team in the country at
least there's some data to support that, and a great
offensive team is always dangerous. Having to deal with Houston
in Houston if it comes to that, I don't love that,
Like I would rather play if I'm Florida, any other

(28:16):
two seed anywhere else before I had to play Houston
in Houston, and so that's obviously a big hurdle. But frankly,
I'd be surprised if anybody other than Florida or Houston
came out of there. I think it does get to
those two in the Elite eight and made the best
team win. But one of those teams will have fifteen
thousand fans and the other one will have very few.

Speaker 2 (28:37):
Is Vanderbilt dangerous? North Carolina's got a major injury, so
I kind of take them off the page, Like North
Carolina's maybe what maybe one win? Ish right, they'll probably
beat vcul though people might take that as an upset
and then maybe lose the next round. But how dangerous
could Vanderbilt be?

Speaker 4 (28:51):
Well, they've got a little guard in Tyler Tanner, who's
a terrific story. Like he was a borderline top one
hundred and fifty recruit coming out of high school. He's
a local kid from the Nashville area. Had signed with
the previous staff, but when Mark Benson took over, was
like prioritized him. Hey, we still want you. But he
was not supposed to be a program changer. And if

(29:12):
it weren't for Darius Acuff, he might be the SEC
player of the year. He's terrific. Little guard, big hair
can go for thirty. Those guys are Mark Madness legends,
So yeah, they're dangerous, but they're also flawed and we're
mostly I don't believe that this applies to them, but
teams like this sometimes where they have incredible computer numbers

(29:34):
but you look at the substance of the resume and
you're like, okay, but what have they really done besides
being a bunch of bad teams badly That was their
story through the first couple of months of the season.
They had a great record, incredible computer numbers, there wasn't
must substance to it, and then they came back to
the pack a little bit in the SEC but they
just blew out Florida in the tournament, only lost to

(29:54):
Arkansas because a cuff went nuts. I don't think they'll
come out of there, but absolutely I coul them upsetting
somebody along the way.

Speaker 2 (30:02):
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West Arizona is the one seed perdue your Big Ten

(30:24):
Tournament champions. Where the hell have my boiler Maker's been
all year? That's the Purdue team. They're a number two seed.
Where's that been? Gary? I have Fletcher Lawyer in Brayden
Smith decide, Yeah, you know what trick coffin Right now,
it's a time. Now we'll go ahead and hit the switch.

Speaker 4 (30:40):
So now everybody is like, okay, is this the team
that was raped number one in the preseason? And I
get it because they looked the part man. You you
don't stumble into winning the Big Ten Tournament. You've got
to beat some monsters to get that done.

Speaker 3 (30:51):
You do.

Speaker 4 (30:52):
They did it, you do. But that's that felt like
more of a program win than anything else. That felt
like to me, a proud program with a great and
an incredible accomplished corps that was ranked number one in
the preseason, no contention to get a one seed, was
supposed to win the Big Ten. Didn't even sniff that,

(31:13):
and like woke up on Sunday and was like, hey, hey,
we were supposed to get all these trophies and have
all these things, and we screwed it up for a
variety of reasons. But we can still get this one
today here in front of our fans. This is the
most important thing to the world right now for us.
I'm Braden Smith, I'm Trey Coffin Wren. This is the
last time we'll ever do this together, play in this event,

(31:34):
try to win this trophy. Let's go do it. Cuttnets
one more time in our homestay. Like it felt like
they came to the game with that, and Michigan was
like we locked up the one seed, you know, like
we're good and like, no matter what happens, we're a
one seed in the Midwest. We could win today by forty,
lose by forty, and when you have I know you're
a golfer, you'll understand this. Think about how focused you

(31:57):
are on seventeen in a match tied or down one,
as opposed to on twelve up four. You just don't,
you know, you don't, you don't look, you don't maybe
walking around and look at the putt from the other
side the way you might on seventeen, and you just
lose a little focus and the other person's extremely focused.

(32:17):
And that happens in basketball too, and more than anything,
I think that's that's the explanation for Michigan Purdue why
it went that way. But I do have Purdue going
to the Elite eight. I don't have him in the
final four. I do have him in the Elite eight.
And if I were Tommy Lloyd, a former zag assistant,
I'd be thrilled with this region, Like, I, yeah, you
got to deal with Darius Acuff. And that's the type

(32:38):
of guard who could go Kimba Onya or go d
Rose Onya. He's he's he's nice. But I look in
there and I go, there's not another team in our
region that has been as consistently as good as US
all season and it's really not even close. I know
the Zags have thirty wins, but they also do that
in the WCC and they don't have Braden Huff right now.

(33:01):
You Purdue has been all over the place much of
the season. You know, Miami's got a bunch of wins,
but I don't know that they scare you. Wisconsin is
just like a can beat anybody Big Ten team, but
he has also shown the ability to lose a lot
in the Big Ten. Like if you asked me, not
who's going to win the national championship, but just if

(33:22):
I had to bet my house on one team to
go to the Final four, I think the safest bet
is Arizona A because they're awesome, B Because I don't
think there's anybody in that region that if they line
up and play a B level game for them, I
don't think they lose.

Speaker 2 (33:37):
How much a threat is Arkansas, especially with maybe the
best player in the country not named Darren Peterson.

Speaker 4 (33:43):
I mean we see this in college basketball sometimes it's
at the tip top of the sport. Kimba Walker at Yukon,
Shabbaz Napier at Yukon. I know those were different level
players but they were both incredible. Put the team on
your back. Guards that run through a bracket. Derreck Rose
did it at Memphis. People forget because Mario Chalmers hit

(34:05):
a three to force overtime, then Kansas wins the national championship.
But if you go look at Dee Rose's run through
that NCAA tournament, it's like an all time great statistical
run through the bracket. And Darius Acuff is that type
of guard. I mean even John call Perry says it.
You know, he in a self serving way, you know,
to sort of point out the things you're done. He's like, listen,

(34:26):
I've coached a lot of these. I think he said
something along the lines of this on Sunday. I coached
a lot of these. You know, I've had a number
one picks. I've had two MVPs. I think he's the
only I think there's only three coaches in the history
of college basketball. I think this is a trivia that have
ever had multiple NBA MVPs, and it is John Wooden,

(34:47):
Dean Smith, and John Cali Perry. I think that's right.
And so John was like, I've had multiple MVPs, I've
had number one picks, and this this kid's just like them.
I'm telling you, he's just like them. He can go
in that league, that being the NBA and do what
Derek Rose did, do what Shake goyotis. Alexander is doing
a different kind of player. But yet, if you were

(35:08):
trying to identify who is the one player in this
sport who can go for twenty eight one game, thirty
three the next, twenty nine the next and you look
up and they're in the Elite eight and their seed
does not align with that. In other words, he's just
outperforming what this team is supposed to be doing, like

(35:30):
Kimba did with Yukon. It's it's Darius Akup, that's the one.
I'm not predicting it necessarily, but if you told me
he he averages thirty one and eight and takes Arkansas
of the Final four, He's the type of electric guard
that could do that. And he is, in my opinion,
the most fun player in college basketball, Like just an

(35:51):
absolute blast to watch down in Memphis. Me and my boys,
I don't know if you know, we're going through it
a little bit. Traded Jaron Jackson, traded Desmond Bang, John Malay.
It's gonna move soon. We gotta find some new favorite
players like my boys jerseys they're not gonna hold up anymore.
And uh, we've settled in on if the grizz end
up with Darius A Cuff Junior and we got to
get some Grizzlies a Cup jerseys, we'd be we'd be

(36:13):
perfectly happy with that. He is a special talent.

Speaker 2 (36:16):
Good to Jalen Wells or Center Coward, You'll be fine. Okay,
quick break, come back in a very short final segment
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Speaker 2 (40:38):
All right, wrapping things up with Gary Parrish, one of
my favorite shows of the year to do. Yes, we Gary,
you gotta understand up here in Seattle. I mean, it's
it's football, NFL football like a lot, like a lot,
and and rightfully so we I don't know if you
know this. The Super Bowl champions reside here in Seattle.
They're here.

Speaker 4 (40:54):
I know you're you're the Super Bowl MVP is from
my hometown.

Speaker 2 (40:59):
Yeah, and he's no. So we don't want to go
all that but this, but bracketology. Everyone gets fired up
for it in this neck of the woods, even if
our two big schools, Washington and Watching the state aren't
in it. And I have a minute for well wa
WASU was in a couple of years ago. Gonzaga though,
is in which we talked about earlier. Let's get to
the Midwest. Number one Michigan number two, Iowa State. Good

(41:19):
good region there. Let's talk about the two top seeds
and the path for those two to get to the
final four.

Speaker 4 (41:25):
It feels like that's where we're headed. I don't want
to say that neither of those teams could lose before
the Elite eight, because that would obviously be a ridiculous
thing to say. This is March madness for a reason.
But if you watch how the season has unfolded, those
two teams are clearly, like clearly a level above anybody
else in that re Like there's a gap between Michigan

(41:45):
and Iowa State, I guess, but whatever gap there is,
it's smaller than the gap between Iowa State and everybody
else in that region, at least in my opinion, So
I think we're probably headed there. Alabama is, you know,
always dangerous because of the style of play. You know,
they play fast, They shoot fifty four percent of their
shots from three, so you know they're probably not gonna

(42:09):
go seventeen of thirty five on you. But if they
do go seventeen to thirty five on you, you got
a problem. But I don't know if you saw, but
they had a player get arrested earlier this week on
a marijuana charge, and so we'll see how that impacts
his availability for the NCAA Tournament. Texas Tech is the
five seed there. JT. Toppen is their best player. He's

(42:30):
the Big twelve player of the year. He or he
was the reigning Big twelve Player of the year. He
tore his ACL late in the season. He's not available.
So Alabama got legal issues. Texas Tech has a roster
availability issues. Virginia has been good, but is that good
in a weak acc or good enough to actually mess

(42:52):
around with Michigan and Iowa State. I'm not sure. So
I do think we're probably headed towards Michigan and Iowa
State in the Elite eight, and then anything other than
that Wolverine's team inning up in the final four would
be a disappointment at this point. Even while Duke was
ranked number one in the Apeople for the past few weeks,
Michigan was in the betting markets considered the favorite to win.
The incident of LA Tournament Dusty May is proof of

(43:15):
if you have the resources and the understanding of how
college basketball works today and a competent general manager and staff,
you can flip things pretty quickly. Remember they had to
fire an alum in Juwan Howard. It was a mess,
and they hired the right guy. They have provided him
with the proper resources, and this is the most important thing.

(43:37):
He under He grasped quicker than most where the sport
was headed and had to flourish in it. John Shire
did as well. There's some coaches who have others have
struggled with it. But if you go back and look
at the way this Michigan team was built. The transfer
portal opened during the incident of LA Tournament. They signed
Yaxel Lindenburgh to a deal before the insta of LA

(43:58):
Tournament was even done. They knew before last season was
over exactly where they were going, exactly what deals needed
to get done, exactly how they were gonna roster build
in advance in the season, and they did it perfectly.
That team's been awesome and it's now, you know, a
very realistic candidate to win a national championship.

Speaker 2 (44:16):
I just feel like watching them. Duke gave you know,
the Duke game in Washington, d C. When Duke was
fully healthy. Duke's frontline gave them problems like that that
really they don't usually have because they've got you know,
Lexi Bergs unbelievable. I mean, he actual is unreal. They've
got a post player that's that plays and is a
seventh true seven footer. When their guards are shooting the ball, well,

(44:39):
they are really tough out. They to me look like
as complete a team as there is. I don't care
what happened to the Big Ten tournament. I just I
kind of liked them all the way, to be honest
with you, Gary, I mean I kind of like them
all the way. If things are going and they stay healthy,
I think that's the team to be, period, end of story.

Speaker 4 (44:56):
I don't you know, I can't argue intelligently against that.
They've They've looked a part third at can Palm. Right now,
they are top ten in both offensive efficiency and defensive
efficiency number one and adjusted defensive efficiency, Like these are
all of the things you have to check typically to
check to win the NCAA tournament. Anybody can go to

(45:17):
Final four and Kevin Keats at nc State, Porter Mosa
at Loyal in Chicago, the Shaka Smart at VCU, Jim
laernegat George Mason. Like I'm not exaggerating, Almost anybody can
go to an Elite eight or to a Final four,
but to actually get to the Final four and then
win two more games, like, that's another level of basketball
team usually, and what you typically have to have is

(45:40):
a competent coach, somebody who like when you talk about
him in the industry, you go, oh, yeah, that guy
can coach. You gotta have that. And then you've got
to have roster continuity from one season to the next,
like it helps when some of these guys have been
in your program for multiple years. And then you need
NBA talent. I know, you're trying to win a college

(46:01):
basketball tournament, but NBA players are the people who win
those usually, and they don't. Not every top two or
three seed has all of those things. Like Nebraska's got
a great coach, but they don't have NBA players, So
how far can you go with that. Michigan's got at
least three projected for a round picks. They've got roster
continuity carry over from last season. Dusty Maye has already

(46:22):
been to one Final four. When he took the Michigan job,
he could have had any job that was opened if
he wanted to be the Louisville coach. He could have
been the Louisville coach, so they check every box to
win a national championship. They're not my pick, but there
are a lot of peoples, and it's the most sensible
thing you could do.

Speaker 2 (46:38):
Probably, all right, we'll wrap it up with Gary Perish
for this. The five to twelve matchups Saint John's Northern
Iowa that's in the east, five to twelve in the South,
Vanderbilt McNeese in the west, Wisconsin and High Point, and
in the midwest Texas Tech an Akron. Of those five twelves,
which one do you think is ripe for an up?

(47:00):
By the way, people, there's no money back guarantee here.
Gary's doing this for free, so there's no you can't
come back and yell at him later. But which of
those do you like?

Speaker 4 (47:09):
I always look where the higher seeded power conference team
is not the team that it has been most of
this season, and that's obviously Texas Tech. They've lost three
straight games, they lost their best player to a torn
acl and they're matched up with Akron team that's won
like thirty games. So it's the classic mid major team

(47:32):
that's won a bunch against a power conference team that's
missing its best player and is limping into the Nsiblay tournament.
That's the type of place you can sometimes find that
five to twelve upset. What I think is interesting is
if you look at the eleven six is yes, like
half of them check the box. I just explained. One
of the six seeds is I want to make sure
I got it right here. North Carolina. They're missing Caleb Wilson,

(47:54):
their best player. He's done for the year. Another six
seed is Louisville Mike keil Brown Junior, their best player.
Didn't play in the a SEC tournament. He is expected
to play in the NCAA tournament, but if he does,
he will have not played in a while. Another six
seed is BYU. They lost one of their top three players,
Richie Saunders, to a torn aco late in the season

(48:17):
and then spiraled. De Bonsa got him a few wins
here and there because he's amazing, but that team's not
the same team it once was. But they got a
seed based on the resume they put together when Richie
Saunders was available, at least in part. So if you're
looking for six to elevens, I just gave you three
six's that are missing a key rotation piece. If not

(48:40):
its best player, or at the very least its best
player hasn't been playing lately. That tends to make teams vulnerable.
I'd focus there if I were looking for those types
of upsets.

Speaker 2 (48:49):
Is there any other lower seeded team it could be,
you know, it doesn't even matter, like it can be
a double digit low seed, or even maybe a single
digit low seed like a nine or something that that
you think could maybe make some noise or cause people problems.

Speaker 4 (49:04):
I don't know that Santa Clara is going to go
on a run deep in the bracket, because I think
if they win their first they probably run into Iowa
State and then that gets real hard. But if you're
looking for a thing that's gonna quote be an upset
by seed and by point spread, but not a big one,
even though it sounds like it would be a big one,
it's Kentucky. Santa Clara, Kentucky, everybody knows, spent more than

(49:27):
twenty million dollars on its roster. They also have been
missing for much of the season two of their top
three players in Jalen Low and Jade and Quainton's. They've
been up and down all season. Santa Clara won twenty
six games a season in a three bid West Coast Conference.
Herbsindek like once took n C State to fight straight
into the lay tournaments. They didn't know what they had there.
He's not the most exciting coaching college basketball, but he

(49:49):
is one of the best just in terms of, hey man,
here's some players, go coach. He can do that really well.
So he's got a twenty six win team against the
Kentucky team that's been all over the place and his
shorthand they're only like two point underdogs. So if Kentucky
loses Santa Clara, oh buddy, they're gonna melt down Big
Blue Nation. But in reality, just in terms of a

(50:09):
basketball game that's gonna be played, that won't even be
that big of an upset. If you're looking for a
double digit seed to advance at least to the round
of thirty two, I throw it. I throw it on
Santa Clara because there's not much difference in quality of
basketball team between them and Kentucky. There's a big difference
in quality in what the payroll looks like. One team's

(50:30):
making a lot of money, the other team not nearly
as much. But in terms of just like Hey, we've
been playing basketball for nineteen weeks. Does your basketball team
look like there's not much difference between those two teams.

Speaker 2 (50:40):
I'd be bad news for a buddy Mark Pope, who's
from up in these parts of the woods. Bill vy
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Speaker 2 (51:32):
I love it. And by the way, uh, the CBS
Sports Network, you guys are the best postgame coverage period.
Go check that out. After all the games are done
as well, Gary, we will talk to you next week
as we get ready for the Sweet sixteen. My friend,
thank you so.

Speaker 4 (51:43):
Much, can't wait. Appreciate you having.

Speaker 2 (51:46):
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Speaker 3 (52:33):
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a minute, because you're down in an NBA world, and
we've talked a little bit NBA with you every now
and then, but down a Golden State country. We'll get
to have the news of the Sonics in a second.
But let me start with this. I don't know if
you saw this story. It had been leaked out a

(53:25):
while ago, and then it kind of came to the
Wall Street Journal had it today, and then all of
a sudden, Hi else is picking it up now. And
in the NFL, man, I swear, there's there's we all
love the NFL and there's times we hate the NFL.
So I don't know if you saw this story that
the season is actually going to open on a Wednesday. Yeah,

(53:47):
so the Seahawks are going to play at home on
a Wednesday against an undetermined opponent, because is it the
Are the forty nine ers and Rams playing Thursday in Australia?

Speaker 3 (53:56):
Yeah, that's what we're here, and yeah that's ye. Forty
and Rams are upstaging you and what they're doing. NFC West, Yeah,
they are the NFC West. Battles continue and you're you're
being upstaged. I would not be happy about that. I mean,
you're when you're the champ, and I'm saying this in
all objectivity, when you're the champ, you should own that.

(54:17):
But the greed of the NFL is, let's do this.
And I don't know, have you done international games before?

Speaker 4 (54:23):
Have you?

Speaker 6 (54:23):
Have you traveled on these things?

Speaker 2 (54:24):
I did not, We've They've done two and I and
both times I was covering the team and travel with them,
and both times they sent our sports director, which was fine.
I was good with that they sent Aaron, So I
gotta not go to Germany or London.

Speaker 3 (54:37):
The one thing is is I've been to London for
one and I've been to Mexico City for another. Mexico
City there's a lot of Iron fans, so that was
kind of different. But I went to London and what
I did there is and look, they're doing this purely
for finances.

Speaker 6 (54:49):
But just a real quick story.

Speaker 3 (54:51):
I went to London with the Raiders actually, and it
was the Raiders and Dolphins, and I went into a store.
It was like a Nike store that had every jersey
you could ever think of. I mean, they're really really
cool to go to because nobody's really rooting for a team.
They don't really know what they're doing. And I walked
around in that Nike store and the said, tell me
something about American football and they didn't have a clue,
Like they don't know anything about it. There's I mean,

(55:14):
because the NFL is feeding you a bunch of crap
because what they think is is like, oh, it's just
there's so much demand for it. There's so much and
they're just doing it because they're getting paid. Because honestly,
I'm in a Nike store people are buying jerseys. This
is right downtown London, and I'm asking them questions about
the NFL, like almost like you know when you do
Jeopardy and those eggheads will like they know everything, but

(55:36):
it's like how long? How much is a field goal worth?

Speaker 2 (55:39):
Eight points?

Speaker 3 (55:40):
Sorry, Bob, that's wrong, you know, and we all laugh
about it, but like they don't know anything, and I
would ask you, like, well, what do you think of
the game. This was like the Saturday before the game,
and they're like what's going on? Like, yeah, there's an
NFL football game. You're buying a jersey and they're like, yeah,
we just thought this was kind of cool, but we
don't really know anything about football like they have it.
It hasn't really progressed in those countries. And then now,

(56:02):
like you said, they're actually going you know, Brazil and Germany.

Speaker 6 (56:06):
And all these different places.

Speaker 3 (56:07):
It's it's for the money, it's for the internet. But
don't don't get it backwards. These countries really aren't really
they don't understand our sport and they really don't care
about it, but you're being upstage. Nonetheless, we are.

Speaker 2 (56:20):
Totally in Seattle getting upstage by La and San Francisco,
and that's that's that to me is the only part
of it. Because listen, I'm with you. I've been very
consistent ugly American for years in terms of what are
we doing, like like why do we bring in regular
season games to places that really have no die hard
rooting interests? Why are teams in our country losing home games?

(56:44):
Fans losing a home game a year for for this?
I don't get you know, there's a rumor you know,
like it well not rumor. I don't want to get
to that, but you know, like every year of the
NHL has a couple of games in Europe. But you
know what, when they go over there, it's like, yeah,
we're playing. Like if it was the cret for example,
like and they played in Sweden, well Adam Larson plays
for them, or Finland they got free finished, but like

(57:06):
Denmark they got the young kids. Like that makes sense, right,
Like you know you're gonna go play in Europe for
hockey team whoever plays over there. Almost every NHL team
probably everyone does. How's the European players And they're like, hey, man,
there's our guy. He's from you know, small town, you know,
Switzerland or whatever it might be. Can that makes sense?
So NFL players from Europe. Mexico City is a whole
different that's a whole different ballgame. I mean I heard

(57:29):
that was I heard people that have gone down there.
It's like you're with security the whole time. You're like, yeah, right, yeah.

Speaker 3 (57:35):
That's crazy.

Speaker 2 (57:36):
Yeah, and they get it.

Speaker 3 (57:38):
Yeah, go ahead, like look at tonight. Yeah well, I mean,
like look at tonight the World Baseball Classic, which I'm
sure is a favorite of all Seattle Marion fans everywhere.
But anyway, I digress. The WBC is a full like
that's an international competition. Hockey's an international, Basketball is international.
I get what the NFL is trying to do. I

(57:58):
really do. It's it's a total business grab and that's
what sports is. So let's not get a backwards But
like you said, there should be some things honestly, you
don't need to own every day of the week. Like
my formard partner, Greg Papa, You're a good friend of mine. Yes,
had floated before, like, hey, let the NFL at some point.
Here's the extension of this too. The NFL at some

(58:20):
point is going to own every day because they're just
gonna get too greedy. And I do remember we all
do during the pandemic out of necessity, they had to
do certain games. But it's not enough for them to
just own now Thursdays, Mondays, Sundays. I mean, at some point,
if this wind here's the scary part about it too.
If this Wednesday gets massed, this Wednesday thing gets massive ratings,

(58:41):
and it will because it's the NFL, it's the opening,
it's all these things. They're gonna start going, hey, if
three days of dominance is good, let's add Wednesday. And
then the players are like, seriously, we're doing a Wednesday
thing now, Like this thing will never stop until they
have complete world dominations.

Speaker 2 (58:57):
And that's what they're trying to get.

Speaker 3 (58:58):
No.

Speaker 2 (58:58):
I agree. By the way, I did cover Tuesday night
football at SOFI Stadium. I was I covered, I covered
the Tuesday football so Friday it was like now that
and that was that was the greasiest thing ever too,
because if you remember what happened with that, we got
to Thursday or Thursday, So Thursday or Friday that week,

(59:19):
the Rams had a whole bunch of guys that were sick,
and they and they went to the NFL. We can't
play we we would you know, we'd have to play
too many guys from the squad. So literally it was
it was like their key guys were all like a
bunch of their key guys were sick. And so what
they did is they said, all right, well let's move.
We're gonna move the game to Tuesday. That should help

(59:41):
you guys. And it just screwed Seattle. Like it was
just like, okay, you know what an injury an illness?
Can you imagine? So they played. So we went down there,
we flew down on a flew down on a Monday
and covered a Tuesday night football game. And it was
the oddest thing ever, like just strange as hell, and

(01:00:03):
but I get but you know what that was out
of the box. Okay, that that was also a time
in our world we that we you know, all kidding aside,
we did a lot of weird, stupid stuff back then
that hopefully we never have to do again, and we've
all learned from that. But we did that because we
didn't know, like the the unknown of the pandemic. We
know when the NFL season is gonna start. This is
what you just said. It's a money grab. And the

(01:00:24):
fact that they're making the Super Bowl champions and their
fans have a game on a Wednesday. By the way,
the Mariners are playing that same day at the stadium
next door at six forty. So I'm sure there would
be throw Wow, I'm sure they're gonna be throwing. They say, hey,
you're gonna move your game to one right to one forty. Yeah,
but even then, like that game gets out of I
don't know. I don't know what they would do and
what would they do? What do they do the they

(01:00:46):
maybe have to push the Mariner game back to like
seven thirty or something, yeah, something like that. So it
kind of like, like I guess this sense they can Yeah,
I guess in a sense they could do it. They
did the staggered start, but that was for the playoffs,
right on a Monday night football game. Yeah, the money
it was No, it was as a Sunday though. They
played Tampa this year. The Tampa game, they played Tampa
at one and the Mariners played at five or something

(01:01:07):
like that or four. God, what a nightmare. I mean,
it was cool downtown.

Speaker 3 (01:01:11):
But yeah, let me add more to conspiracy theory too.

Speaker 6 (01:01:16):
And look, I just I just believe this, and I
am in conspiracy theorist, especially when it.

Speaker 3 (01:01:20):
Comes to sports. They wouldn't do this with the Dallas
They wouldn't do this though some of the major market teams.
They wouldn't do this to the Giants. In other words,
if you win a super Bowl as a high profile
team like that, they're not gonna they're not going to
overshadow it. But Seattle wins the super Bowl and they're like, well,
we got to do it this way. I mean, that's
that's how I feel about.

Speaker 2 (01:01:37):
It, because we're sitting their two biggest rivals to play
on Thursday in Australia. Like yeah, so you don't even
get here's the thing with Seattle then, like normally, when
you're the super Bowl champion, you play on Thursday, then
you get the advantage because you have like a mini
bye week and so, but then if their two division
rivals have the same damn thing, they get the same thing. Yeah,
it's just stupid, Yeah, idiotic, stupid. NFL. All right, nothing

(01:02:00):
you can do. We'll play on Wednesday. And the way
we go and I think I think Pop is right.
I mean, honestly, they already.

Speaker 3 (01:02:06):
Play he said that for years.

Speaker 2 (01:02:08):
Yeah, play Saturdays. They play Saturdays already on uh in
the in December, you know they flexus games on Saturdays,
and then you know, we'll have a Black Friday game again,
Christmas game, Tuesday will.

Speaker 6 (01:02:19):
Happen they're talking about.

Speaker 3 (01:02:20):
Yeah, they're when they're talking about Thanksgiving Eve game. So
that's another Wednesday.

Speaker 2 (01:02:24):
That's Wednesday.

Speaker 3 (01:02:25):
You think they're just doing these things, but they're started.
They're floating trial balloons. And if Wednesday blows up, and
it will because it's the NFL, there's gonna be two
this year. So all of a sudden, oh, Wednesday's a
day we can do. So now it's Wednesday, it's Thursday,
it's Sunday, it's Monday. It's late in the season, Saturday. Like,
that's just that's what it's gonna do. It's gonna go
to eighteen games because it was never meant to have seventeen,

(01:02:45):
so they're gonna add that. You're gonna have that extra day,
which is okay because you have it's LUs preseason, but
still world domination a little bit at a time.

Speaker 2 (01:02:52):
That's what they're doing, John Love joining us. Yeh, By
the way, how are mornings? How are the morning shows?
How's mornings? It's not like middle of the night for you.

Speaker 3 (01:03:01):
Yes, three to six am. I got up at one
and thirty this morning. It was it was just glorious. Yeah,
one thirty in the morning today, my alarm went off. Normally,
if I was a younger man, I would have just
drank the whole.

Speaker 6 (01:03:13):
Thing, especially given today that St Patrick stay.

Speaker 3 (01:03:15):
By the way, that's what I should have done. And
and by the way, I did say, you know, I
did talk about early when we have this conversation today,
that you were, you know, in the casino, and that's
straight and everything. I can't believe you're sober enough here
between the whiskey and the green beer that I'm sure
is under your table right now. You're doing a great job.

Speaker 2 (01:03:31):
There's no skill, there's there's no there's no whiskey here,
I mean one, no whiskey on my table. And actually
I don't see any green beer at the casino. This
is a casino, dude. They don't care about Saint Patrick's state.
People are here anyway.

Speaker 3 (01:03:44):
It doesn't true, it doesn't People are working the bauchery
in a casino twenty four seven, three sixty five. They
don't need a special day for it.

Speaker 2 (01:03:49):
Plus, I'll wait for the whiskey. Tell I'll wait for
the whiskey till I get home. This is amateur day.
There's like New Year's Eve. You don't want to mean
is doing that and then driving home? So all right,
So the NBA, the story came out yesterday from how
do these is it? Sham's sean, let me just go,

(01:04:10):
Why can't why listen? Why can't you get an insider
ESPN for n B A whose name we can all pronounce, right,
like at least we could shorten. I guess we called
yeah after Well, he thinks he's an insider for everything anyway.
So the story came out yesterday that the NBA is
gonna have a vote next week and they're gonna have

(01:04:31):
a vote to have a vote. If they vote, okay,
then they canna have another vote in July. We're having
a meeting to have another meeting. You like those kind
of companies, John don't, And we're gonna have a meeting that.

Speaker 3 (01:04:41):
Everybody loves meetings.

Speaker 2 (01:04:42):
We had Gary Parrish on yesterday, our buddy from CBS.
We just finished our bracketology show with him, but we
talked to him yesterday briefly too, because in Memphis he
covers the NBA. Obviously that's a big part of what
he does on his daily radio show. And you know,
he didn't have the best things to say about the
current state of the league. What would you say somebody
said to you about this current state of the NBA.

Speaker 3 (01:05:02):
Well, it's it's by far the worst sport going and
I don't know why the NBA is letting it get
to this point. But just just briefly, tanking's a major problem.
But then again, this is the best college basketball draft
probably and I'll include two thousand and three in Lebron
I've ever seen in my lifetime. I mean, it's it
starts with the bonsa and a Cup junior and you guys, know,

(01:05:22):
you guys watch college basketball. Mean, there's probably ten there's
probably ten freshmen that are going to be very big
impact and there's probably three guys that are franchise changers.
So everybody's tanking. So you have that issue. The overall
style of play is the worst it's been in any
of our lifetimes. It's threes, free throws and the lucas.
It's just constant complaining. It's it's every single time. It's

(01:05:46):
berating of officials constantly. It's you go to a break
and every player runs to an official. It's it's it's
just it's so bad. So the style of play is bad,
the tanking. Hey, you're gonna okay, the Sonics are back.
Oh geeze Courreier is not playing Luca's not playing that
because they wear devices that say, hey, by the way,
you're tired. Oh I'm tired. I can't play anymore. Like,

(01:06:07):
it's not the glove playing eighty two games. It's they're
having issues right now because the players are mad because
they can't they can't win awards because they can't play
in sixty five of the eighty two games. Like, so
that's gonna get dropped up at next year to sixty.
I mean, it's just it really is. I'm not just
saying this for the effect. Look, I'm incredibly happy that

(01:06:30):
you're going to that. Seattle's going to get the Sonics back.
In all serious it's it's one of the best sports
cities in America and certainly on the West Coast. Ton
of respect, but the way the league is right now
will disgust you. I mean the way that it's played,
the guys sitting out for you know, management issues, that
just everything about the game right now is is really bad.

(01:06:52):
And I don't know what the league is going to
do about it. You know, Steve Kirk suggests they go
down to you know, cut ten games off the schedule
because guys are hired. It's like the last time you
guys remember the NBA, Like, guys didn't do that. We
played eighty two and it was a gauntlet to see
who could win the sixteen. And that's how the game
is supposed to be played. And it's just not it's
the NBA has And I'm not trying to be negative

(01:07:13):
about it, because I'm glad Seattle's getting a team, but
it's by far of all the major sports, in the
worst shape. And it's every single way. And then they're
trying to come up with these rules for non tanking.
They're talking about like making it deadline earlier and everything. Fine,
Like you're a team like Utah, right you have you
don't have a superstar player. Aja de Bonsa from BYU

(01:07:33):
plays thirty minutes away. You can find Utah five ten
fifteen million dollars if they get the BONSA. That's all
they want out of this whole thing. So you can
make it earlier, they're just going to tank earlier. There's
just there's a lot of problems with the NBA right now,
which isn't to say that it would be great. Wouldn't
be great to have it back in Seattle, because I
believe it's going to be, but they have a lot

(01:07:55):
of work to do. It's a disgusting product right now.

Speaker 2 (01:07:58):
I'm just looking at Kevin Durant. Last year's was here.
We had Kevin Durant as a rookie. You played eighty
of eighty two games, played seventy four, the next eighty two,
the next seventy eight, the next sixty six. When he's
banged up in Oklahoma City. Probably didn't want to be
there because there's Oklahoma City eighty one, eighty one, and
then since then it's been a dramatic drop off, like dramatic,
like fifty five sixty seventy two, sixty five sixty Like, Yeah,

(01:08:21):
I think the low management thing is gonna be hard.
I you know, we'll be thrilled to have it back
when it comes back in two years. Hopefully I'm more
into I just I'm with you right now, like I
we could do it. We did a whole joking thing
on our show. Refused to talk about the NBA unless
there's something significant like this, like we're talking about now.
But I don't care about game. I just don't. I
don't care. And I watched the game, and I like,

(01:08:43):
I like basketball. Hell, you and I first met we
were both covering a team going to the NBA finals, right,
working for the Jazz flagship. That was a blast. I
mean I it was an It was one of the
you know, career highlights for a couple of years, you know,
and then you know, I went to Portland, You went
to Portland. We worked and cover the Jay Lasers. That was,
in its own way, massively fun.

Speaker 3 (01:09:03):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:09:04):
But the basketball then, I mean I think back, it's like,
you know, we complained about God, Rashid's not remember our
big com playing basketball? Wwise in is why isra she
not more assertive? You know, like why is he not?
Why is he so unselfish? Like those were?

Speaker 3 (01:09:16):
You know?

Speaker 2 (01:09:16):
Why is like we talked basketball stuff, we don't talk
about load management. That was never a conversation.

Speaker 3 (01:09:21):
Well that's no. And see, those are the issues, and
you don't want to have this off the court stuff,
I mean you really don't. But load management is a
huge issue. And again I'm saying it from a fan perspective,
which is it's not it's not cheap. Now, it's not
NFL expensive the NBA, but it's probably second most. It's
just so expensive for anything. And then you've been you know,
saving up your money or your parents taking somewhere or
whatever the case may be, and then a superstar player

(01:09:44):
is probably not playing that night because the load management
or they played you know, five games and seven nights
or two games and three nights or three and five
or you know. So that's a major issue. The tanking
is a major issue because I'm not kidding. Again, like
you said, maybe many people don't watch the NBA, but
there's about ten to twelve teams tanking this year. I mean,
flat out not trying to win, and it makes for

(01:10:07):
a disgusting product. I mean, the other night I was
watching a game in the Indiana Pacers. You know, they lose,
they lose the NBA Finals. A couple years ago, they
lose Tyres Halibert, and now they've won fifteen games and
they're not and they're not even shy about it. I
mean what happens is in some sports you got guys
coming out there they just flat out like Utah traded
for Jaron Jackson junior from Memphis and the next week
they're like, yeah, he's got some deviated septum, like really,

(01:10:30):
and so they so the NBA doesn't even get involved
in it because they say that they put him on
the injured list and he can't play periods. So you know,
there's this and like that's not even the stylistic form
of the game. Now it's a three or a free throw,
you know, And it's terrible acting me. And we just
had the Oscars last night. I mean, you see it.

Speaker 6 (01:10:48):
These guys are.

Speaker 3 (01:10:48):
Flailing all over the court. The referee somehow buy it.
Like they have so many things to fix about the product.

Speaker 6 (01:10:56):
And again I don't want to try to sound negative
about it, but they have so.

Speaker 3 (01:10:59):
Much to fix about the product and they've just got
a long way to go on it. So look, I'm excited.
I love having basketball on the West Coast. I love
being able to have the rivalry again with Portland. And
then you out a Vegas team, and now you're you know,
now you have this corridor of of West Coast basketball.
It's gonna be a heck of a lot of fun.
And you get the Sonics back. It's awesome. I think

(01:11:20):
they'll fix this stuff, but they have a lot of
work to do in this sport.

Speaker 2 (01:11:22):
Yeah, hopefully they fix it before in the next year's Buddy,
I appreciate you coming on. Go get some rest because
you're up at one thirty gein in tomorrow morning. If
people are doing the graveyard shift, it's it's technically the
more it's the morning show because it's the morning show
on the East Coast and the west Wood one.

Speaker 3 (01:11:35):
So go check yeah, six to ninety, so three to
six in the morning, join me. It's it's lots of fun.
By the way, over this weekend, I gotta tell you
just really fast, tons of calls from Seattle. I told
you I'm huge in Tacoma, but actually people from Seattle
over the weekend, so very nice. Thank you to your
to your many fans.

Speaker 2 (01:11:51):
Let's keep supporting our guy Line. We'll talk to you
next week, buddy, take care.

Speaker 3 (01:11:54):
Thank you. Brother.

Speaker 2 (01:11:55):
He there you go.

Speaker 3 (01:11:56):
That is it.

Speaker 2 (01:11:56):
That is John Line. Will take a break, come back, Dave.
Softyball next, all right, wrapping things up from the public
Casino Hotel Practology Show first four games starting at three
forty today with the sixteen games, we'll be watching those
up here, because Softy, why would you not want to
put some juice on a sixteen versus sixteen matchup?

Speaker 3 (01:12:17):
Huh?

Speaker 7 (01:12:17):
I was gonna say, do you really give a damn
about Howard and Meridon Baltimore County?

Speaker 2 (01:12:21):
By the way, I will in about forty about fifty minutes,
you wells will? You are a complete degenerate, So congratulations?
You know else is that way? Who's that the kid
he's sitting right across. Oh, I love it. The apple
does not fall far from the tree. It does not.
The apple does not fall far. My god, unbelievable.

Speaker 7 (01:12:39):
I thought we had a conversation Keith fer and I
to look at you and just do the exact opposite.

Speaker 2 (01:12:43):
But I guess not. He's kid doesn't learn. Man, Well,
I don't know. I mean, what do you want from him?
He looks up to his father, He thinks up like
I'm kind of his heroes.

Speaker 7 (01:12:51):
Well, actually, the way that he's sprouted, he might be
looking down on you, by the way, with you like
nine feet tall?

Speaker 2 (01:12:56):
Now, for God's sakes, are you bigger than me?

Speaker 5 (01:12:59):
It depends on shoes I'm wearing now, it's close.

Speaker 2 (01:13:02):
Yeah, what do you like? U MBC or Howard?

Speaker 5 (01:13:06):
Okay, I'm gonna say Howard.

Speaker 7 (01:13:08):
I think we all want Keefer's breakdown of the Mariland
Baltimore County Howard game.

Speaker 2 (01:13:12):
Go on your thoughts.

Speaker 5 (01:13:14):
The only thing I know is that I'm gonna say
Howard because before I left the house there was a
random channel on and they were celebrating the HBCUs. Yeah,
so maybe it's a sign. Maybe it's like, oh, you
got Howard here, That's who I'm going with.

Speaker 7 (01:13:26):
Yeah, you know nothing about these two teams. Just let's
throw a dart at the wall.

Speaker 3 (01:13:32):
Why not?

Speaker 2 (01:13:33):
You know? You know that's why I got I went
to Sunday.

Speaker 7 (01:13:37):
I went to Sunday School with a kid named Howard.
Maybe I'll just take Howard because of that.

Speaker 2 (01:13:40):
That's why that's why you bet like the first of
thirty points, first to twenty points and all that and
then and then when you take your lickings, you head
on home and go see mom.

Speaker 7 (01:13:48):
Absolutely, yeah, Well I'm going to Vegas tomorrow night. So
we're gonna get after.

Speaker 2 (01:13:53):
It tomorrow night with who are you going with?

Speaker 3 (01:13:55):
So?

Speaker 2 (01:13:55):
Who are you going with? I can't say secret with
rhyme with Nicholson.

Speaker 7 (01:13:59):
Nope too with a guy him going with their wives
don't know they're leaving, so whatever, keep that between us.
So well, all right, jeez, you never know, man, the
one time they are you never know, man, So we
can Keefer called Tammy by the way, what's the nickname

(01:14:20):
that he said that? Uh, the little General.

Speaker 2 (01:14:24):
Correct, don't put that on me. He totally put it
on you. He sold your ass out on the show.

Speaker 3 (01:14:29):
The other day.

Speaker 2 (01:14:31):
He calls it the little General. Little General. Don't you
ever mention that to her? Softy?

Speaker 7 (01:14:37):
I don't know, man, I mean I might have to
hold this over your head for something. Maybe maybe a
preferred tea time at the mayor this year or whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:14:45):
I like it coming up.

Speaker 7 (01:14:47):
Let's see, we're gonna head to Miami. We want Devon
a Chan, by the way, and we want him on
the Seahawks. So if they're gonna be giving up Jalen Wattle,
what's it gonna take to get a Chan running the football?

Speaker 5 (01:14:57):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (01:14:58):
Mark Dockman is going to join us from the w
QAM at three point thirty.

Speaker 2 (01:15:02):
PJ.

Speaker 7 (01:15:02):
Car Lizimo, former head coach of the Seattle SuperSonics, will
join us today and talk to NCAA Basketball at four
o'clock this afternoon, John Wilner at five and before the
crack and take on Tampa Bay. Your buddy Mike you
Betton coming up from the CPA about six fifteen.

Speaker 2 (01:15:19):
Thank you, Softy, I can't wait to talk to you
later today. That's for the mild mannered and marginally objectionably Inverness.
This is paddle Day, saying so long everyone,

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