Furness Show 4-27: Hugh Millen on Seahawks Draft, Mollywhop Monday, Jadarian Price

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, draft is over. We're gonna check in with
our guy, Hugh milling here in about fifteen minutes time
do a little hardcore football on a Monday. I guess
three hour show off to revisit. When we're gonna do
hardcore football next year, Maybe we'll do it in the
noon hour on Monday, so we'll see. But that's coming
up in a second. We spent a lot of quality
time together Hugh Mallon, myself, Rob rang over the last
few days on Thursday, Friday, and then Rob and I

(00:22):
Saturday held it down from nine to noon before Chuck
took over and then Chris Kidd and Jackson Felts. You
know what, I'm just gonna start here for a second.
We joke a lot. I joke a lot about, you know,
the company not being a company guy. None of us are,
nobody is. The man doesn't do anybody any favors anymore
in this world, right. We always say that's true. It's
very true. It doesn't matter what business you're in, who

(00:43):
you work for.

Speaker 2 (00:44):
It's hard.

Speaker 1 (00:45):
The man doesn't like us a little common folk. But
I'm gonna be the company guy now. I just what
we do over the course of three days of an
NFL draft is remarkable. The time, the effort, the hours
that people put in the content that you receive, most

(01:05):
importantly is second to none. You know, it helps. We don't,
you know, have baseball or anything else to worry about.
We just do the draft for those three days and
with the expertise of Hugh Millen, Rob Rang specifically those
two and then you add in contributions from Greg and

(01:27):
Corbyn Smith on Saturday joined us for a little while
and others. If you're into the NFL draft, and lord knows,
everybody seems to be, it's a big deal. Yeah, if
you're into the NFL draft, we just we've been doing
this for a while now, and I just find it
remarkable how everyone comes together and puts together great quality

(01:48):
product just out there kind of running the show and
spearheading it, and guys like Anders and Travis and Jackson
and others back here at the studio trying to gather everything.
And it's at times pretty high, not stressful, but a
lot going on. So hopefully you guys en do it.
Here's the thing, I believe pretty much everything is podcast.
Is that right? Is our Saturday Stuff podcast? I will

(02:11):
check Okay, hopefully all our stuff is podcast from that
It is.

Speaker 3 (02:16):
All eight hours of Saturday's coverages podcast our seven and
nine stuff on Thursday Friday. Hopefully yep that stuff.

Speaker 1 (02:23):
I mean, if you missed any of it, it's all
up there, you can go listen to it again. We
had a ton of fun and shout out to to
the Seahawks and their pr staff. They're they're the best
in town.

Speaker 4 (02:34):
They were unbelievably kind and accommodating, the hospitality and everything
that you.

Speaker 1 (02:41):
Do and always have been. Dave Pearson and his staff
are great, and you know, we just we just appreciate
going out there because I know, I mean listening for
being honest, that's what people want. People want more Seahawk news.
It's they're the five hundred pound grill in this town.
And anyway we go, all right, So before we get
hu on, the story of the weekend really for Seattle

(03:02):
was really kind of I would say the first four
picks about as chalky as you can get. Now, how
you get there and who you pick and so forth.
But just they needed a running back one. They drafted
running back one on Friday or Thursday. They needed some
help in the secondary Bud Clark. Julian Neal took care
of that on day two with the second and third
round picks. We then go into day three. This is

(03:26):
where it was a little bit more fun and interesting
and kind of got at a little crazy. We go
into round into day three in rounds four through seven
and sat down there on Saturday morning did Rob and myself.
Jess was there hanging out, making sure we got on
the air and we did what we're supposed to do,
made sure we did all the things we're supposed to do,

(03:46):
and we were assuming there'll be nothing going on until
about twelve o three pm right after noon when the
Seahawks were scheduled to draft, and that would have been
a fifth a sixth round pick. John Schnet actually walked
through the media room and there was like, oh, it
was early. There's like four of us, four of us,
there's a three of us. You Robin, I yep. Corbyn

(04:09):
was there.

Speaker 5 (04:10):
Yeah, it was pretty empty.

Speaker 1 (04:11):
Greg, I think was there, and that might have been
about it. In fact, I think that was about it.
Craig wasn't there yet. Because I mentioned it to him,
he goes, oh really, yeah, I know. So they walked
through stutter walks through and he's just looking like going
stir crazy, like he's got nothing going on, like he's
and we're thinking, all right, yeah, they're they're definitely not
doing anything until they picked with that sixth pick, and
though and behold, lo and behold. They moved down in

(04:34):
the fifth round and and you know they they ended
up picking up a bo Stevens, and then things got crazy.
I left at noon, Chuck took over, and then things
got all out of control. They go. They ended up
having four picks after we left at noon. Emmanuel Henderson,
the wide receiver, return man, special teams guy from Kansas,
Andre Fuller, a cornerback from Toledo, Devin Eastern who's a

(04:57):
nose tackle is massive from Minnesota, and Michael Dansby, a
cornerback from Arizona. So they ended up getting busy, so Schnedter,
something happened, and we kind of speculated when they made
a move to get Stevens the fifth round pick and
the guard out of Iowa, and Rob and I had
talked about this as well as Corbyn. They started going

(05:21):
down in the drafting was such a different draft this
year for Seattle, with the lack of picks next year's
draft being so deep or told going in and the
Seahawks not having a ton of picks. Greg Bell bought
up a great point earlier, and I think Hugh did
the same thing this morning when I heard him with
Chuck and Ashley. The Seahawks are in a position where

(05:42):
they didn't need a lot. Their roster was pretty full.
You can only have ninety at a time, and their
undrafted free agent class was going to be very small.
They also, as the defending Super Bowl champions, do not
have it easy as far as signing undrafted free agents,
because the best thing about being an undrafted free agent,

(06:03):
really the only good thing about being an undrafted free
agents you can kind of pick and choose where you go. Well,
an agent's not gonna want this guy to go to Seattle.
The rosters, I mean, we've gone through it. They lost
one starter on offense, they already replace that. They lost
effectively two and a half on defense. And I say
two and a half because mafe' is a rotational guy.

Speaker 5 (06:22):
They'd say the same thing about Woling.

Speaker 1 (06:23):
Two yeah yeah, but when the three corners, yeah yeah,
they want he's a starter and so but doesn't matter
like they didn't lose a lot. So you're an undrafted
free agent and you're like, well, they got dudes waiting
in the wings, they got depth guys. Do want to
go there? So to say what Seattle did, they went
out and they went kind of fast and hard with
the seventh round all of a sudden and they're like, okay,

(06:45):
let's go here we go and pick some more guys
that probably would have been undrafted free agents in a
normal year and still retain. I believe it's eleven picks.
I think they still have, including the compensitory picks for
next year. So I think John Schnett, listen, you can
read all all the grades you want everywhere. The athletic
did one today. Dan Brugler, who does the beast and

(07:06):
is really good at what he does. He really is,
and he had Seattle at twenty seven twenty five for
whatever reason. The funny thing is the top teams. This
tells you all you need to know. The top five
teams were all non playoff teams Cleveland, right, Giants, Las Vegas, Dallas,

(07:28):
and the Jets. Okay, well, yeah, there you go.

Speaker 3 (07:31):
Of course they were easy to make your team better
when you suck before.

Speaker 1 (07:35):
You is going to be better than what you already sack. Right, Like, listen,
I Hughes looked at every snap of all these guys,
so I'll lean on him a little bit more. I
lean on Rang a little bit more. I do tell
you this, It is fun watching Rob work. So Rob
lives in the scouting world like that's just that's and
he's out there. It's it was fun watching him like

(07:57):
he's he's literally if I kid you not, there's the
area of scouts come rolling around. They're grabbing a bit,
d to coffee or whatever. I see ranging there all
day Saturday. He's chiming, chimming up with these guys. So
he's got a pretty good feel is what they were
thinking and doing as well. So he'll be on with
this Friday to kind of wrap things up our final
visit with Ranger. But yeah, Hughes watched all the snaps.
I think if you're a Seahawks fan, you got to

(08:19):
come out of the draft feeling pretty damn good about
what your team did. I really I don't think. I don't.
For me, it's not much of a debate that the
biggest priority period end of story. By the way, a
man use up one nothing, one nil. Sorry, let's go,
come on, I know you're interested in that. They missed

(08:40):
a couple of point blank shots and in the eleventh
minute they just made it one nothing. Cassamiro is that
his name? He just excellent knocked in a header for you.

Speaker 6 (08:48):
All right.

Speaker 1 (08:49):
I just want you to be focused on the show,
so I feel I'll give you those updates as need be.
We should have breaking news. Yeah no, we're good. But
they but here's the thing. They needed to dress the
running back situation. One hundred percent needed to address the
running back situation. And the running back situation was addressed
on Thursday with that first pick. And that's all you

(09:09):
can ask, which is perfect exactly. So that's what they did,
and away you go. They've addressed it. And the Seahawks
then added to the secondary and they've got a guy
depth wiser at guard that can maybe come in and
compete with Anthony Bradford, or if not compete, gives you
depth because Christian Haynes apparently ain't it. They've given him
enough chances, so it's time to move on and find

(09:30):
some depth of guard position. All right, we'll take a break,
we'll come back. Keep an eye on the thing. Tim
Booth will have a story up in the Sandle Times
dot com here very soon, and we'll tell you about
what the latest on the NBA expansion front is. I
will tell you this, it's it's about timing. You may
not like it, but it may not be that much

(09:53):
of a dire situation, so I'll just leave it at that,
all right. So we as soon as that gets posted,
we'll let you know what Tim's got up for you
as well at the Seattle Time site. As the editors
across the country, all sports editors, AP editors and sports
newspaper editors have a meeting every year with the commissioners
around all all the sports uh and Adam Silver was
today he met with them. So there's a little nugget

(10:15):
that came out. We'll tell you what that is. We
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Speaker 1 (11:34):
That's all right. We're good. We move on. We'll keep
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Nothing yet on the sonic situation or the NBA will well,
you know, whto something that's come up. Humellon. The Seahawks
announced about ten minutes ago they have released cam Acres.
They now have six running backs on the roster. So
cam Akers has been released. Uh, probably not a surprise.
A little bit of a glut there, older back and
they of course drafted Judarian Price in the first round.

(11:56):
We'll talk about him and so much more. First of all,
my friend, great to have you on number two. Great
to spend time with you the last those those couple
of days up there, those seven to nine shows. It's
it's it's become a tradition, you and Rob and I
from seven to nine. I think we've done it for
like fifteen sixteen years. It feels like and love love though.
I honestly, just as a football fan, just enjoy those shows.

(12:16):
So great having you on with us those few days.

Speaker 2 (12:19):
Yeah, it's one of those things where you always just
forget you're on the air. Yeah, you know, you're just
talking to a couple of buddies about a topic you love.
And you're like, oh yeah, shude, I got a I
got a headset on, and I got there's a microphone
right there. Like you know, it's just it's fun to
wrap about a great football team and you know, a
successful group. You know, it's interesting with you think in
sports we have we know percentages, right, Like if you're

(12:43):
in the NBA, you know you should be over eighty
percent free throw right, but and you should you know
you're good good if you're over forty percent from three. Well,
there's a big difference between eighty and forty percent, right,
you know, hockey goalie, what's got to be ninety eight
ninety Ye, So all these gms, even the best, are
well under fifty percent and in terms of their hit rate,

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and so you just kind of go into this with
the relatively few, you know, the fewest in all of
the league, just four picks, and you say, okay, this
has got to be a draft where your percentages are
a little high, Like we got to get you know,
we got to get two good guys, you know, hopefully
three out of four. And then you know, you always
had the thought that they were going to grow four

(13:28):
into whatever. They grew four into eight. But I still
feel like, you know, you're just kind of crossing your
fingers that that they can accelerate that percentage because next
year they're going to have I think they're down to ten, right,
but I bet you, I bet you that if need be,
you'll see John Schnyder turned ten into twelve or thirteen. Yeah. Then,

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and then of course you absorb a little bit lower
hit rate. But when you only have four picks, it
puts a a little bit of a stress on your
on your percentages, and so hopefully Schnyder hit some high
percentages here.

Speaker 8 (14:01):
Well.

Speaker 1 (14:01):
And you know, as I mentioned to Jess and and Anders,
I mean and Jess was sitting there when when Mike
John Sheider rolls into the media area where we're doing
our show at nine am, is about what nine to fifteen, Jess,
like nine to fifteen or so on on Saturday. He
comes walking through, way, what's going on? You guys are live? Yeah,
we're live. Oh okay, walks away and it's like the

(14:23):
guy was like he was just kind of going so
crazy and bored, and we're like, is he really going
to wait until noon or so? And the sixth round
and the answer was no. Four trades later, they end
up with the eight draft picks when it's all said
and done. So I do want to hit on a
couple of guys that you know, we hit on late
on Thursday or late on Friday. Obviously Price was Thursday night.

(14:43):
That pick was made after you know, normal hours, so
we'll hit on him, and then definitely want to hit
on Bud Clark and Julian Neil and Bo Stevens will
kind of take it from there and see how much
time we have. Let's just go with from This is
hardcore football. So Jadari and Price back up running back
at Notre Dame to the number three overall pick. But
what he likes to run and what the Seahawks like

(15:04):
to run in terms of offense, that's a fit. Can
you walk us through that?

Speaker 2 (15:08):
Well, when you say the Seahawks like to run outside zone,
just be aware of what that means. Where now we're
going to refer to percentages again. The Seahawks only ran
thirty eight percent of their runs outside zone. That by
definite definition makes you an outside zone team. They still
run out inside zone. They want what's called duo where

(15:29):
you're down blocking at the point of attack, but you
don't have a polar. They still have what's called gap scheme,
which is power and counter which is down blocking. So
what does that mean if you're going to run, You're
going to run Price over right guard. You know, when
you have down blocking towards the ball towards the middle,

(15:51):
then that that's what's called duo if you don't have
a polar. But then if you have a polar from
the backside, if the left guard is pulling as a generalrule,
you'd say, that's what's called gap scheme. Now that you know,
trap technically could be in that, uh, that description as well,
but primarily the gap scheme the power in the counter.

(16:12):
That's where the running back you say you're watching, okay,
how does he get in behind a runner or a
blocker rather as a runner and then playoff of that
pulling but you know the backside guards coming, I'm gonna
get in his wake, right and almost like your water skiing,
you know, inner tube and behind a boat, I'm gonna
get in his wake and then I'm gonna read off

(16:33):
that block. That's a different type of skill set when
you when you say outside zone typically and I'm gonna
get to the alignment because it is hardcore football typically
and uh, you know, I've sat in on the meetings
when Alex Gibbs, the godfather of the outside zone, was
going through everybody's responsibility and including the quarterback. And when

(16:55):
Alex Gibbs takes a laser pointer and he puts it
on John Elway and he says, quarterback, carry out your fake,
you know, like like you know, damn well, that guy's
got the room and he's got an expectation for everybody
on there, and and and he would just he would
coach up Terrell Davis, who was a rookie UH that year,

(17:17):
and he would just say, hey, listen, on an overfront,
you know you're gonna have the three technique in the
B gap. Expect it like this. You know if underfront
you know what they call nava hop front, all these fronts.
And he would get Terrell to just kind of anticipate
based on the front where the hole is going to hit.
But in any event, this is the general rule. If

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if the running backs in what's called the dot position
that's behind the quarterback, he's going to run stretch right,
that's outside zone. What he's looking at is what's the block.
And this applies to whether it's to the tight end
or whether it's to the weak side. And and you're
talking about the open side tackle. But you're reading the

(18:00):
man offensive blocker and he's trying to hook. He's trying
to get to the outside leverage, outside arm of the
technically armpit of the defender that has the responsibility to
hold the edge. If he can hook him, then that's
your read. It's like okay, ghosts now sprint to the

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sideline as fast as you can go, and and and
this is going to become a very wide play outside
the numbers. Certainly maybe up the sideline. If if you
can't hook that guy, then now your eyes just going
one one guy in, you know, the three technique or
whatever the front is the then the defensive tackle, then
the next one inside, and you keep you keep reading,

(18:43):
for hey, is that man getting hooked? What does hook mean?
Hook means is the offensive player is able to get
to the outside shoulder of the defensive player. That's what
a hook is. And so you're just looking for the hook.
And if you don't get the hook, then you just
keep going inside. And all of this is pros quickly
and and and and you want to read this by

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your third step, and make this this step, and make
the steps by your fifth step. So when you see
these outside zone hits the fifth step, the running back
he's if he's going to go up the field and
not try and get wide, he's going to do it
by the fifth step. But of course he has to
make the decision before, uh, you know, to allow his

(19:25):
you know, brain neurologically to connect to his feet. Like
all of this is real stuff. And uh and and
so that they're there in lies kind of the responsibility
for the running back. But I mentioned the dot position
in watching every single snap uh that Jadarian Price had
at Notre Dame one hundred and thirteen carries when they

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were when they ran outside zone. They started the first
couple of games, they would go pistol and the and
the the back is behind the quarterback. But then they
for whatever reason, they gravitated to having the running back offset.
What does that mean if we're going stretch right instead
of the running back being behind the center, you can

(20:08):
line up with the ball whether it's in pistol or
whether you're under center. And by the way, Notre Dame
only had one Jedarion Price had one snap the entire
season with the quarterback under center. They operated entirely out
of shotgun. But but getting back to outside zone, so
now Price instead of being behind the center, he's he's
on the outside leg of the left guard, so he's

(20:32):
got far there. Just you know, just draw a tape
measure to to where he has to get If he's
going to stretch that play and get to the outside,
it's longer developing like the defense that's flowing to that
spot they have they already have a head start on
on price because of where price aligned. So when price

(20:54):
comes on and he tells us that he like he
gets the cutback more that he likes a cutback infire.
In fact, I asked him, hey, would you rather when
you run the stretch? Would you rather what do you
like better where you you hit it and it gets
to the sideline, and he had some plays like that
at Notre Dame. Or do you like the cutback? He says,
I like the cutback, And and that makes sense because

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he's far more likely to get the cutback from that
offset alignment. So now the question is going to be
for him, everything's going to speed up on his timing
as to when he can get to that that aiming point.
You know, you know generally the the butt crack of

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the tight end is what it is. And uh to
use the terms that you hear in a in a
meeting room, and and all that's gonna come faster to him.
And in theory, if you got a j Barner is
doing a good job, you know they're gonna he's gonna
give him some opportunities to get outside. And so now
does he have the burst to get outside of the

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tight end when the tight end is again hooking the defender.
The end man on the line of scrimmage in a
in a playbook NFL playbook, you see e M l
O s E M l os I've been seeing. I
saw that for twenty years, uh, you know, counting earlier
stages of football. But that end man on the line
of scrimmage, he's got to set that edge and the
tight end's got to hook him, and and generally more

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often than not, the defense wins that battle. So you
are even when the running backs and the dot, the
ball's gonna the ball's gonna cut back on some level,
it's you know, either get north or even sometimes cut
back across the backside center. You know, if you actually
watch how the offensive now the offense, all the gaps

(22:41):
are shifting because everybody's stepping to the right and trying
to reach to the right on a stretch right. So
you could say, you could say the backside a gap,
which is the gap between the center and the guard.
You know, if the ball's on the left hash and
you go stretch right, you say, well, the back side
a gap is to the left of the hask. Well,

(23:03):
once you snap the ball and all the line is
is traversing sideways. Now, all of a sudden, the backside
a gap is where when when you hit it, that
that might be where the front side tackle was. Does
that make sense because because all the gaps are moving
once the ball is snapped. So there's Okay, what's the takeaway.

(23:25):
That's a lot of detail about the challenge. How can
we summarize it? Jedarian Price is going to be closer
to the stretch than he was at college. He's gonna
have to make his decisions. His decision is gonna come
a little faster, and and and and he's gonna have

(23:47):
to if he sees the operation, he's gonna have more
opportunity to probably, let's call it twenty five percent of
the time, he's gonna have an opportunity to turn that
into a true stretch. And he's got to be able
to do that and be effective. He's got to have
the acceleration to be able to do that, because then
everything flows off of that. You know that the defense goes,

(24:10):
holy cow, we got you know, all the linebackers they
have to sprint to the ball. Well, that it really
helps your play action, your naked keep game with the
quarterback on the bootlegs and so, uh, you know, being
able to get to the actually get to the outside
on outside zone is real important. We'll see a price
can do it because you're gonna have a different look
than he had in call it when you.

Speaker 1 (24:30):
See when you watch him on tape, Hugh, Hugh Millen,
Joni is hardcore football and you watch him, I'm thinking
of those cutbacks and like you said, if everything's flowing
to the right and then the A gap is flowing
there and all of a sudden boom, he sees that's
where the hole is. Do you see a guy? And
that what he told you when you asked him. We'll
play that interview by the way, coming up at two
o'clock today when you ask him that. Do you see
that in his game? Do you see that ability in

(24:51):
his game?

Speaker 9 (24:51):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (24:51):
Yeah, yeah, that's one of his his real great strengths.
Is there's only one I should have written down who
the opponent was seen a lot of opponents because I've
seen a lot of tape, but I I do remember
that actually happened to be Uh, he was going inside
zone left and and I thought he had a cutback
going back to the right and that and I rewound it,

(25:13):
and I go, wait a minute, that that's a lot
of steps to have to gather yourself. That doesn't look
like a top flight running back to me and and
and so you know, there's there's there's a run or
two on there that that you're you're you're left unimpressed.
But fortunately they're conspicuous because it's it's in contrast to

(25:34):
the other times when I see him cut back, he's
able to do it at near full speed and he
sees it and he's got the athleticism and the strength
in his legs to be able to make those cuts
at full speed. So on the on the rare occasions
that he didn't, it's like, whoa, okay, that that that
doesn't look good. And you know, thankfully you don't see

(25:55):
that a lot. I would say the other the other
time where you find yourself unimpressed, At least I found
myself unimpressed. As a couple of finishes, you feel like
he could move the pocket more like like he goes
down hard and easy sometimes, you know, and at two
hundred three pounds, I mean, he's not going to finish
like Marshon Lynz right, and and there was a there

(26:15):
was a rep for example, And again I looked at
every single carry that he had, So this isn't just me.
Happened to have seen some highlight tape or something. But
he had to play against USC where the safety came
out of the middle and came up and just smacked
him and he went down hard, and the safety was,
you know, woofing over and what have you, and you

(26:38):
just go, okay, I'd rather I would like to see
more physicality from my my RB one.

Speaker 1 (26:44):
Gotcha, Uh right, Yeah, but but there's enough there. And
I know you we talked about him a lot and
you like him. We'll hear that interview. He's part of
that interview coming up at two o clock. Yeah, let
me stay on the offensive side for the final five
minutes of this segment. Then we'll talk about the DB's
in the second segment. Here in a second, let's talk
about Bo Stevens. I didn't get a chance to hear
your thoughts on him because that was a Saturday thing

(27:04):
and it kind of took us all by surprise. We
didn't think they're gonna pick until late. They ended up
doing it and making a trade. They get Bo Stevens
the guard out of Iowa. They actually moved down or
I guess up, I'm sorry up to go get him
out of Iowa. He was an All American big dude
state at Iowa. The whole loyalty thing they talked about
was kind of in play again, but Iowa offensive lineman.

(27:25):
Usually we kind of like to hear those words together.
And if we're being honest, Bradford, even if Bradford's our guy,
he's in the last year of his contract and number
two and the other part of that is that Christian
Haynes and others have had a chance to beat him
out and nobody has. Do you see enough in Boa
Stevens that he thinks that you think he can come
in and compete?

Speaker 2 (27:43):
Yeah, well, I think it's interesting here. First of all, yes,
you love the brand Iowa offensive lineman. You know there's
a standard of toughness, they're intelligent, what have you. They
push a lot of guys into the NFL, as you mentioned,
is big dude eighty six percent out six five and
a half. So when you watch the tape, the first
thing I noticed, now, remember Iowa won the Joe Moore

(28:03):
Award as the best offensive line in football. When you
watch them on tape, you know they're they're they're cohesive,
they're good.

Speaker 6 (28:09):
Dude.

Speaker 2 (28:10):
You know they had two other guys, the center and
a tackle get drafted ahead of Stevens, right, So so
he's he's a member of a really good line. And
but he was a first team All American. And this
is the thing. You if you're going to the third day,
you're missing something right. Either either you show really good
athletic traits but you didn't really make it happen on

(28:32):
the football field, or the opposite of that, you were
really good on the football field. But we're concerned you
your your game doesn't trans translate to the NFL because
you have limited athleticism. And then of course there's injuries
and character things that can knock you down to the
third day as well. But but this is definitely the
category of the following high production, great tape, but a

(28:58):
question whether it translates, because that's why you can't explain
away why he's a fifth rounder. And by the way,
Seattle had a third fourth round grade that's why they
were they felt comfortable giving up next year fourth for uh,
this year's fifth, because they just said uh, you know,
this guy fell through the cracks. He's a fourth rounder
all day, and maybe even a third round. But first

(29:18):
team All American. No no sacks, no hits, no penalties.
Last year, only four pressures, and he's had zero sacks
in three seasons now. They turned their protection offen and
they had an All American literally first team All American
center to his right that was helping him out on
a four man rush. You know, if you're going uh

(29:39):
you know, it's called two jet protection in the West
Coast offense. You know, you have a half slide with
the center going to the left, and so that would
often equate to a double team. So if you're a
if you're a three tech going against or even a
one tech going against the Iowa as a four man rush,
you know the way they turn you. You got two
first team All Americans blocking you right and so, but

(30:01):
getting back to Stevens, so you really like is his technique?
I just you know he's got good ankle ben, so
his ass is low. When you watch the end zone copy,
he say he's got the he's got the widest ass
and the lowest ass of the five guys. I like
both of that ankle flexion allows you to bend be low.
You know, because he's six five and a half eighty

(30:22):
six percentile on height, he's got a low man win.
He's got to get leverage right, and you're not going
to be able to get low man leverage unless your
ankles are flexible. You can see that even in stance
that it is. But here's some concerns, and I know
the Seahawks had this concern, right, you see, why is
it the first round draft pick if he's a first
team All American from Iowa, shortest arms and the smallest

(30:43):
hands out of twenty two guards at the at the
Combine this year, is eighteen and a half miles per
hour in his forty was the slowest of all players
all one hundred and eighty nine players who ran at
the Combine. There's some athletical limitations. Now. The dude is
a you know, a little legit glass eater. You know,
love like he's he's he's a maller and and a

(31:06):
maler and a brawler. He wants to engage in the
physical part of the game and sometimes too much, and
he'll come up at the second level. He should be
more under control. He should you know, he should he
should kind of be trying to drop his hips, widen
his feet, you know, get a base and and kind
of more cautiously approach those those linebackers. Let the linebackers

(31:27):
declare the the route they want to go. Do they
want to go underneath them or over the top and
then and then close. But he comes in hot looking
for the freaking knockout punts, right, I mean he wants
to Mike Tyson, Trevor berbick Uh linebackers out there, and
sometimes he you know, he just gets out of position.
He you know, he doesn't have enough lateral quickness to

(31:48):
make up for that. So you see mistakes, but there
are very few. You wouldn't be a first team All
American if you made a lot of those mistakes. I'm
just saying, you know, you know, I throw on the
tape and I go, okay, why is the first team
All American? You know this kind of size, Why is
he waiting to you know, fall into the fifth round?
And it's it's because of some of those things you
don't see elites feet sideways and again a little bit

(32:13):
over aggression, and then those sword arms are going to
be you know, you know you go against the Chris
Jones of the world. Yep, you know these big you know,
elite into your guys that are long and strong and
very athletic, and you could quickly see how he can
There could be an athletic mismatch, including the arm length.

Speaker 1 (32:29):
All right, we'll take a break. Come back. We've got
to talk about Julia Neil and Bud Clark, the two
dbs they took on Day two of the draft, and
where they fit into the Seahawks offense or defense, I
should say Hugh mal At Hardcore Football continues next.

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Speaker 2 (33:02):
What's your favorite defensive quality and you're rolling it so
you're saying you're playing country cover three.

Speaker 8 (33:07):
Oh no, no, no, no no no, we're playing man.
I'm gonna touch them.

Speaker 2 (33:13):
I'm gonna go I'm gonna go touch them. I'm gonna
go touch on somebody.

Speaker 5 (33:16):
I'm gonna go touch on somebody.

Speaker 8 (33:17):
They're not getting gassed me.

Speaker 2 (33:19):
And if you get.

Speaker 5 (33:19):
Passed, I'm gonna look back for the ball and I'm
gonna get that simple and somebody.

Speaker 10 (33:26):
The line love it.

Speaker 2 (33:27):
Now, are you in off coverage or impress in this situation?

Speaker 5 (33:31):
I'm in president, I'm all up in your face.

Speaker 8 (33:33):
Okay, I'm gonna get down and dirty with it.

Speaker 1 (33:36):
Norm he was, he was almost offended. You asked if
you were if if he was impressed or hot man?
He was like what he taught. That's Julian Neil by
the way, seahawk cornerback.

Speaker 7 (33:48):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (33:48):
Initially I think he thought you were asking about what
is the country? Cover three?

Speaker 2 (33:53):
By the way, Well, cover three is distinguished in a
few different ways. Cover three is is is three deep.
It's a zone. So the deep guys have deep thirds.
Now there can be three under, there can be four under,
and there can be five under. As a general rule,
you say there's four under. So it kind of looks
like a baseball outfield and infield minus the pitcher and

(34:15):
catcher if you can kind of uh visualize that. So
what country cover three is is that everybody just kind
of drops to a spot. They they're they're looking at
the quarterback. And I know there's a term that Nick
Saban used going back to his days when he was
the defensive coordinator under Bill Belichick in the mid nineties

(34:37):
with the Browns, and in fact, Saban says that that
of all people get a load of this, uh I can,
I can get into the weeds on hardcore football. Of
all people, the guy that influenced uh Nick Saban the
most was Neil O'Donnell, the quarterback. Yes he because he

(34:58):
now now. Saban says, guys like Marino, you can't play
country cover three and country just means like, hey, it's
three D four drop to your spot and you say,
what's the country part. It's just like that's what they
play in the country. They don't. They're you know, you
go out in high country high school, it's like three
D four un or they just dropped to a certain
spot and then eyeball and read from there. What Saban

(35:21):
said is that if you do that against the best quarterbacks,
and he mentioned Marino, but he said they specifically that
year the Steelers went to the Super Bowl and ninety
four lost to the Cowboys. Said I think he said
they lost to the the Steelers three times that year,
you know, because they played in the playoffs as well,
and he said they were hitting four verticals and they're,

(35:42):
you know, just hitting these seams. O'Donnell an unlikely, you know,
instigator of the history of football in any capacity. But
he was hitting these four vert seams and the Browns
were just hitting their spots. And he says, and Saban
just says, we can't do this, and so that us
evolve pattern match, which, if I had to really condense

(36:04):
what that means, that basically says, if if the receivers,
particularly the slot receivers, if they go vertical, we're going
to play man to man, and if they go shallow,
and then they say, well, if they go shallow crosses,
we're gonna get picked off. We're going to be vulnerable.
So the idea is if you if you do shallow across,
if you go horizontal to the flat or particularly on

(36:26):
shallow crosses, then we're going to zone it up. If
you go vertical, we're going to man it up. So
so those some of those pattern match man matches, zone matches,
there's there's little nuances to it. But as a general rule,
when when he says country cover three, he's talking about
guys just dropping to a spot oblivious to how the
routes are developing and then look back to the quarterback

(36:50):
and react to what you see from that spot. That's
country cover three. And he had said, And the reason
I asked the question is he earlier in his answer,
somebody had said, hey, you really excel in off coverage,
you know, tell us about that. And he says, yeah,
I can see the I can see the offensive lineman,
what what they're doing, I read the quarterback, I see

(37:10):
the routes develop in front of me. So so he
had in a response to the question how how how
do you place off coverage? So well, he had described
all these these attributes and and so now when I'm saying, hey,
the game's on the line, what do you want to play?
You know? And and I wanted to distinguish between whether
or not he wants to be you know, in man

(37:32):
or or zone uh, you know, and then press or
or off coverage. So there's a few nuances in that.
And if you get we got a fun SoundBite, that's
the that's the long aends.

Speaker 1 (37:42):
Well, and and and we'll learn a little bit more
about him. I think he can play in both. It
sounds like it's what you're telling me to Uh, this
is a guy that that he fits into that secondary
probably as a depth piece. What does Bud Clark bring
to this?

Speaker 2 (37:54):
Yeah, well and real quick on Julian love you you
know that that is not going to be the last
time Julian neal. I'm looking right at his name right
on a piece of paper. He's ninety second percentile, a
little over six one and a half arm length of
eighty eighty percentile, still top half in the forty yard dash,

(38:15):
in ninety second percentile. In his vertical he's forty. It's
the one thing I see on tape is that he's
a little slow in his transition. You know, he's not
a first rounder because we could say that about all
second and third day guys. He's not a first round
of because because it takes him a little extra time
to get if he's back pedaling and then to trigger

(38:35):
down top down. It's just a little he's a little
bit slow in his transition compared to first rounders. As
for Bud Clark, versatility, versatility and great competitor three year
captain like how rare is that stated tech TCU in
the bo Let's talk about his versatility, box tour and

(38:57):
fourteen snaps slot corner three h nine at back safety
one thirty nine very important. And then and then his
athletic traits height sixty one percentile, four four one ninety
third percentile. He is a very fast safety butt weight
ninth percentile. He's in one hundred under one hundred and
ninety measuring it at one eighty eight. So so he

(39:19):
has really kind of more corner attributes. He's also got
a thirty eight inch vert but fifteen interceptions interceptions BA ballhawk.

Speaker 10 (39:29):
Here's here's a.

Speaker 2 (39:30):
Thing that you can see instead of having to always
put Witherspoon in inside when you go dime, look for
maybe keeping Witherspoon outside and Bud Clark being able to
come in and play, uh, you know as a overhang
defender and apex defender, curl flat defender. There's a lot

(39:50):
of terms that are synonymous based on the coverage. But
you got Nick Game and Warry on one side of
a too high structure, and you've got you've You've you've
always had Devin Witherspoon on the other. Essentially they're both
playing like outside linebackers now. Bud Clark, I think that
Mike Mike McDonald in his press conference on Friday night,
talked about his versatility. He said the word nickel. The

(40:13):
second thing out of his mouth was nickel. Yep, he talked.
He also talked about his man and man abilities because
of that four four one in the range. So so
I think that he you know, you're gonna get your
You got to have a physical presence to you out
on the on the field in Mike McDonald's world. You're
gonna get it somewhere else because he's not gonna be
terribly fit. You know, he's gonna he's gonna have the

(40:35):
attitude and then want to but he's only one hundred
and eighty eight pounds, right, But what you are going
to get is again this versatility, the high IQ high
football IQ. And and you know, of course the ball,
the ball traits to be able to get fifteen interceptions,
tracks it well and uh and and away you go
as a woof and competitor. I think he paired with Witherspoon.

(40:58):
You know, there's some great story about Witherspoon. Just like
after the first Ram game down there we lose that
Darnald lost. Witherspoon was just jaw jackin to the Rams,
like you know, damn well, you got you got gifted this.
We kicked y'all's ass up and down, you got gifted.
He is just jaw jack in to the Ram offense

(41:19):
and telling them what they knew, and that there's just
a certain you know, uh, there's a swagger that Witherspoon
has that he can back up. And I think Bud
Clark is kind of he's kind of I think he's
gonna be of witherspoon junior man. He's gonna be like
the Robin to Witherspoon's batman in that regard.

Speaker 1 (41:40):
Clark and Neil maybe both. I wanted I wanted to
quickly ask you about the world of draft grades. I'm
pushing up against him block here. Can you give me,
like real.

Speaker 2 (41:48):
Quick I fill in or or or on this radio
twelve months out of the year in some capacity. I
don't think there's any topic more absurd than draft rates
and the entire calendar year. Who the hell freaking knows?
You know that that kJ Wright is going to be

(42:09):
an elite linebacker, That Cam Sansor of the fifth rounder
is going to be in a you know, a borderline
Hall of Fame safety. The Richard Sherman is going to
be a Hall of fame, Like, we look at all
this stuff, and and and and who who's qualified to
say that? Like how much tape do you have to watch?

Speaker 6 (42:26):
Now?

Speaker 2 (42:26):
A guy like Dame Bruger, Look, he spends the entire year.
I might listen to that guy, But to really evaluate
these guys, I don't think you can do it under
four hours. You know, ideally six, you know, multiply it
out times times three hundred players. Now you're at eighteen

(42:49):
hundred hours a full time job. You know, forty hour
week full time job is two thousand hours. So so
anybody who who says that they can do a draft
grade even and if you spend eighteen one hundred hours,
how do you know on these mid round guys whether
or not they're going to be anything? I think it's
absolutely absurd.

Speaker 1 (43:09):
I would only not push back, but I would say
that if you asked a lot of those people, much
like we were told to do a mock draft our
hosts were last week. Yeah, I'm not qualified for that,
but I was told to copy and past, so I
was told to right, and so I think a lot
of times that's what those guys that first round or
the entire draft of the first round I mean, like,

(43:30):
I'm not qualified for that, but we're told to.

Speaker 10 (43:32):
I think.

Speaker 1 (43:32):
I think oftentimes some of the people in our business
are told to do things that they might be uncomfortable with,
and they just do it. But I'm with you because
here's the thing I went through, and I'm a sucker
for it. I looked to see, oh, what does Dan
Bruger have in the athletic today? Seahawks rank twenty fifth. Well,
to me, they would be higher than that because they
filled their needs, right, they got a running back one,
they address their secondary and they're probably going to sign

(43:54):
Fouler as a d N right to address the edge.
So they like, that's not a twenty fifth rank, right?

Speaker 2 (44:01):
Well? Yeah, And in twenty twelve, how would you ever
know that Russell Wilson was gonna be what he became,
Bobby Wagner was going to be a hall a first
ballot Hall of Fame.

Speaker 1 (44:11):
You know, we're here in Seattle love it because that
famously that class was ranked what didn't get like a
D minus at f by most people.

Speaker 2 (44:16):
So yeah, I just I just think the whole exercise
is just it's a effort of the futility to try
and do that so I just rolled my eyes.

Speaker 1 (44:26):
So I'm with you. Yeah, more four, I think with
you today. I assume with yeah, I think so yeah.
It might be at five, yeah, more five, more at four.
All right, I'm in trouble because I just went way
past the break. So we'll take a quick break. Come back.
We're gonna update Hugh. Thank you so much. We'll listen
to you later on today. We'll come back update you
on the timing of the sonic situation.

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Speaker 1 (46:11):
We should mention the Sounders also won this weekend too. Nil,
I believe to nil. Jordan Morris sorry, two one Jordan
Morris another goal and there's six to one and one.
They're just keep chucking along. Let's go Schmat's out a
boy as well. Torrent finished their season on Saturday. They

(46:32):
will not go to the playoffs in their first year.
But to say that that thing was anything but a
massive success would be wrong. Because it was a massive
success on the ice. They didn't have the results necessarily
they wanted, but off the ice and they just put
people in the climate Pledgerina every single night. It was
a pretty cool story this year with the Scale torn. Okay,
they I mentioned this earlier the show they did. Booth

(46:52):
finally post the story. Come on, Booth, tell me, don't
be teasing me like that. Anyway. Here's the deal, Tim Booth,
Scale Times wrote the story. What happens is the the
league commissioners from all the all the leagues across the country. Uh,
they have what they call the Associated Press Sports Editors
Commissioners meeting in New York. So sports editors from all

(47:13):
the big newspapers across the country AP and others, uh,
including the Sale Times. The sports editor, guy by the
name of Paul Barrett, have a chance to sit down
and have conversations, you know, fairly intimate conversations, a little
more casual. But it's on the record with all the
with all the the the commissioners. So Beatman, Uh, your

(47:33):
your guy from baseball, everyone's favorite guy in the world.
We love him, lockout coming next year, can't wait, hates
baseball worse, Chuck pollllqm uh Manfred and then of course
uh h Adam Silver from the NBA and uh and
our guy from the NFL as well. So but here's
the thing that came out. Uh Adam Silver said today

(47:58):
he did not think that the NBA owner would be
at the point of deciding on expansion by the time
the league holds this summer Board of Governor's meetings. This
is the quote from Adam Silver. I think this summer
would be premature, but there is time between the summer
and the end of the calendar year, he said Monday quote.
It's still my hope for both Seattle and Las Vegas
that we would be positioned to make decisions and decisions

(48:18):
about specific groups by the end of the year. There
was some thought and maybe some hope that they would
they the NBA and the owners would vote and approve
expansion in the summer in July. We can all have
a big celebration in the summer. Raw Raie, here we go.
Give us something talking about in July that would be
during the NBA Summer League when they meet the owners

(48:39):
meet in Vegas. That will not happen, at least what
Silver says right now. The twist is it probably won't
be happening because Vegas doesn't have their you know what together,
even though they're meeting in Vegas with the Summer League
taking place in Vegas. This might be some I'm guessing
just to guess here, but I'm guessing it might be
to carve out some more time fors to figure things out,

(49:02):
but they are not going to more than likely, according
to Silver today meeting with the sports editors across the country,
it sounds like more than likely the earliest we would
hear about expansion being a done deal and approved would
be sometime in the fall or even late fall, before
the end of the year. Now, that is the timing

(49:23):
in terms of by the end of the year that
we've heard. So it's nothing alarming other than I think
there was a pretty strong feeling we could have seen
this thing happen in July and that ain't happening right now.
I think the only concern I would have is is
the NBA willing to expand with just one like the

(49:46):
NHL did coming up on almost ten.

Speaker 5 (49:48):
Years at twenty seventeen. Yeah, right.

Speaker 1 (49:50):
The NHL did that with Vegas, and they did it
because they were specifically waiting for Seattle. Quebec City was
sitting there in the background. New Building wanted a team back.
They lost their team to to Denver, to the Colorado
Avalanche back in ninety seven. I think it was so
they wanted The NHL wanted Seattle so bad and wanted

(50:14):
this market so bad that they were willing to wait
a couple extra years for Tim Liwiki not to but
Tim and the Oakview Group to get the arena situation
put together here in Seattle. So they went with thirty one,
and then obviously we saw the expansion come a couple
years later in Seattle. Here in a way we are,
and that's where we are today. This is almost the opposite.

(50:35):
It is not almost. It is the opposite. We're waiting
on Vegas to get there, you know what, together Seattle.
The only ownership group that has stepped forward so far
has been the Oakview Group, led by Samantha Hallway. I
always caution people, I see this all the time. I
hear this all the time. Well they don't have the money,

(50:56):
they don't have I'm gonna just ask might ask for
some common sense, just for I know we're living in
the world of sports radio and common sense is not
a part of a repertoire, not always. Do you really
think when we're talking about the money that we're talking
about and the level of business that we're expressed, we're
talking about an NBA expansion franchise that would be caught.

(51:20):
I'm still hearing more like six as opposed to the eight,
but whatever it would be, we're talking about a six
to eight billion dollar business plan. Do you think that
Samantha Holloway and the Oak View Group is just going
in saying, yeah, we're interested and hopefully we can find
the money. Do you think they just started this process
two or three days ago, or two or three weeks
ago or a month ago. Give your head shake. They're

(51:45):
so far down the road on this it's it would
blow your mind. But there could be others that step forward.
There could be competitive competing groups here in Seattle.

Speaker 5 (51:56):
I doubt it.

Speaker 1 (51:57):
The way the arena structure is, it would make no
financial sense unless you just got stupid blank you money,
and people do. But there's very few people that have that.
But it looks like we're gonna have to wait, which
so be it.

Speaker 5 (52:12):
It's so.

Speaker 1 (52:15):
Yeah, I just think I think there was a thought
when the stuff came out in March we could hear
it by the summer league meetings.

Speaker 3 (52:20):
So what does that mean for the timeline of throwing
the ball up in the air.

Speaker 1 (52:24):
It's still twenty eight twenty nine.

Speaker 5 (52:25):
Even if they decide to.

Speaker 1 (52:27):
Two years out, two years out, this by the end
of this year would still be two years out. If
for some reason it goes past this calendar year, h
like I would say, even past less September. Now they
can call a meeting. According to what Tim story said,
they can call a meeting anytime, but more than likely
the earliest of vote would be would be right before

(52:47):
the season starts in September, so they could do that.
If they don't vote, then they could still call the
owners together for that meeting before the end of the
year if for some crazy reason, and again I would
probably put it more on vay I guess anything else,
it doesn't happen before the end of the year, then
we're probably looking at twenty twenty nine. But right now
you're still twenty twenty eight. Two years away is still
very much in play. That's probably the most important thing

(53:09):
for you to know. It's still very much in play,
and all it means is we won't be having a
big party this summer and talking about the NBA in July. Okay,
all right, thank you, break, come back, Mariners on a heater.
How are these guys gonna handle that?

Speaker 2 (53:22):
Huh?

Speaker 1 (53:23):
Rob Refschneider, Ladies and gentlemen, huh. There were people that
wanted him, well, I don't know, maybe I having on
this show, who knows, uh, comparing him to Tommy La Stella. No, no, no, hey,
how about the abs system working in Seattle's favorite Yesterday? Yes,
Chris and Nader here coming up next.

Speaker 7 (53:45):
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Speaker 10 (54:25):
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Nope, I still have not understood one of Chris Crawford's references.

Speaker 10 (54:33):
You'll get the one next week. I think I've got
a few planned.

Speaker 5 (54:36):
I think do you have a spreadsheet of these?

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No, I just have some names that I kind of
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I'm not going to spoil it. By the way, Darren
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of the A's before winning the final one and all
three against the Cardinals of Saint Louis. We'll get into
the howls and the whys and the fun things from
that as well, but as always, we start with opening comments.
Nathan Bishop fire away.

Speaker 9 (56:09):
I'm so tired of this crap, you guys, Why can
they not lose a series over the weekend? They lose
every single series at the beginning of the week and
then they look great.

Speaker 2 (56:18):
Over the wall.

Speaker 9 (56:19):
They didn't necessarily look great over the weekend, but they
won all of the games over the weekend. It just
makes my job really really difficult. But you know, they're
a better team than the Cardinals. I know that the
record doesn't necessarily directly reflect that at this point, but
it was really nice to see them take an inferior
opponent and win. To your point, Ian not the traditional method.

(56:39):
I thought it was actually really cool that it was
kind of the island of misfit toys that led to
the sweep. You've got huge hits from Leo revas Connor,
Joe a Will Wilson home run. That's right, Will Wilson,
you definitely remember him. Everybody, just huge hits up and down.
And then last last night a huge hit from the
much maligned Rob Refschneider, his fourth hit of the year.
He's now only eighteen hits behind aj Pollock. We've got

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the a tracker updated because you can keep a track
on that. So it was it was great and the
team is you know, as we keep saying, I think
there's there's four teams in the American League that have
a positive run differential, right, now there are fifteen teams
total in the American League, So that gives you an
idea right there. I'm checking right now, and right now
there are as many teams in the NL Central above

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five hundred as there are in the entire American League.
So the Marriers at fourteen and fifteen, one game and
a half behind the Titanic Sacramento Athletics. You know, they're
like one more good week from basically just putting that
entire crap start to bed and just looking like arguably
the best team in the American League and definitely the

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best team in the American League West. All of that
pains me to say, as the designated hater of this program.

Speaker 2 (57:46):
But things look pretty much fine to me.

Speaker 9 (57:49):
Cal Rawly has started hitting home runs again, Julio Rodriguez
had a great home run, Josh Naylors finding some Babba bluck.
Finally the balls finding grass, so and he started stealing
bases again. So you can pick knits here and there.
The bullpen's a little shaky, Brian Wu had a terrible start,
but everybody has a terrible start. More than anything, I
think things look like the progressing perfectly on schedule as

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much as I hate to say it.

Speaker 1 (58:12):
Off brand, it's hard. I get it, Chris fire Away.

Speaker 10 (58:16):
So you know, it's great to see the sweep, and
it was fun to see them win a couple different ways.
You saw the vintage Seattle Mariner went on Friday, You
saw the vintage nineteen ninety seven Seattle Mariner went on Saturday,
where you just outslug everybody, and then I know the
score is the same as Friday, but it kind of
felt in between those two. So it was nice to

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see them win three games that way. It's nice to
have a four game winning streak. It's also annoying as
hell that a four game winning streak puts you a
game under five hundred, and we should be talking about
this four game winning streak putting them at nineteen and
fifteen or whatever the heck of the record would be,
instead of fourteen and fifteen. Because obviously the maths was
very good there can you tell I went to a

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public school. There is just something very frustrating to me
about that. Yeah, it's great that they're playing well again,
but it's frustrating that you're playing catch up again. You
are once again digging a hole and then having to
dig up and that's just frustrating to me, because you know,
I have demands. I demand that this team go to

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the gosh damn World Series, and I demand that they,
you know, look good doing it too. I wanted to
see him look good, and it's nice to see them
look good. But those first two games against Oakland slash
Sacramento slash United Arab Emirates whatever the hell they're going
to be, that was frustrating. That was frustrating, and I
can't completely ignore that either. But I have to admit

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that even against the team that I don't think is
competing for a playoff spot in the Cardinals, it was
really nice to see him play well over the weekend.

Speaker 1 (59:48):
I'm just I'm I'm confused. I'm like, did I take
a gummy before the show?

Speaker 4 (59:54):
No?

Speaker 1 (59:54):
I don't think I did. I'm just I'm trying to
balance out. So Nathan was by and large captain positivity. Chris.
This is like the WrestleMania, like the heel turn, Like
just when we think that we don't like someone and
they're Matt with Matt, then all of a sudden, they
just flipped the script. Vince McMahon and I don't know

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if you guys met beforehand and decided to do that.
But I don't know what to think. But I'm a
little confused.

Speaker 10 (01:00:22):
Here's what it is, Ian, It's a six foot four
person is very tall in the NBA, but pretty short
compared to the seven foot one center, Like I'm positive,
compared to this dude.

Speaker 5 (01:00:32):
That's not exactly.

Speaker 10 (01:00:34):
Saying that the hell of a lot like being six
foot four is still really tall, but compared to the
seven foot one guy, it's a little bit shorter.

Speaker 9 (01:00:43):
All I'm gonna say is, if you want, if you
want some classic stuff. I watched that Sacramento as series
and that team's down Brent Rooker, who's a pretty damn
good hitter, and I was left thinking that I think
that Sacramento lineup is better than the Mariner's lineup even
without Brent Rooker. So that team can't pitchworth you know what,
but it's awful. They are the nineteen ninety six Mariners

(01:01:03):
as we're thrown back to mid nineties Mariners references, but
they can hit the hell out of the baseball and
if they get even a modicum of pitching, or if
they graduate anybody from the Miners, Chris would know if
they have anybody that could potentially help them ount or
if they trade for anybody, that could be a tough
team over the course of the season, because that lineup
is not going to quit. Mit Kurtz is an absolute monster.

(01:01:25):
He and Jordan Alvarez being in of this division is
really not fair. But that's a team to be to monitor. Yeah,
I don't think that they're a great team, but they
are a good offense.

Speaker 1 (01:01:35):
Well, let me just because we did this with the
NFL Draft. You kind of concern yourself with your neighbors
as much as yourself sometimes, right, And I think we
were in a group chat on one of those days
we were talking about Chris. You were saying this along
the lines of the A's And we'll get back to
the Mariners in a second, but I mean, right now,
they're the only problem you have in this division. So
let's talk about the A's for a second. You mentioned
the lineup is really good offensively, and then who do

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they have in the system? Did you say they have
like the top dude coming up or something.

Speaker 10 (01:02:01):
They have one of the very best prospects in baseball,
and by the name of Leo Devrees, who is in
Double A right now as a believe a nineteen year
old who has a chance to be a superstar, like
a supreme talent. It's who they got in the Mason
Miller trade, okay, and that's why that trade has a
chance to pay off big time for them. And they
have a really good pitching prospect named Jamie Arnold. He

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actually battled Kate Anderson. By the way, Kate Anderson is
freaking awesome, but Jamie Arnold is a guy who has
a chance to be a number two starters somewhere along
those lines. But after that, it's pretty thin for pitching.
But they're really good. They're building something really sustainable there,
which is so funny because I don't think Las Vegas
is sustainable whatsoever on their long term plan of where

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they're gonna play. But the actual organization, like they've got
some special building blocks and whatever you want to call
him right now.

Speaker 1 (01:02:49):
Let's let's that's it's smalling what Monday brought you by
simply she had a Mulliwop fifteen to check out. Nathan
and Chris are here. We'll let Chris go first here. Nathan,
you can bring up your tracker in a second with
aj Pollock. But Let's give a little love to Rob
Reth Snyder, shall we for a second? And by the way,
big thanks as well. Let's give some love to the
ABS system that helped yesterday, because that would not have

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happened in the old days without ABS. I think Aaron
Goldsmith said it was it was probably the most egregious
miss of the year with the ABS like it was
really bad. But ref Snyder, good for him, doesn't matter
if it was bad, like he made the call on
what would have been a strike three and the next pitch,
thanks for coming pinch hit solo Homer on the ninth
to give the Menners the three to two win against
the Cardinals. Refs Snyder can hit lefties right, Chris and

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like the rest of the teams, slow start, but maybe
picking it up a little bit.

Speaker 10 (01:03:40):
So I'm going to give you a list of names,
and I brought this up in our group chat as well,
but Aaron Judge, Jordan Alvarez, Yandy Diaz, kateel Marte, and
Jorge Solaire. Now Solaire maybe not in that same group
of guys, but those are really good hitters, right. You
know what they have in common. They're the only five
hitters with higher WRC against left handers over the last

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three years than Rob Refsnyder. And I'm sorry, I get
like this show is fun because we get to react
to just the week and we get to be a
little bit negative nelly, and it's fun to fun. Rob
Refsnyder is a really good hitter. He's especially against left handers.
And I understand that we are triggered by the Christin

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Norfiaz and the Ryan Langerhans and the Aj Pollocks and
all that stuff. It's fine. I totally get it, Rob Refsnyder.
People giving up on him based on a basically couple
handfuls of bats is dumb. It's just dumb. It's really
freaking dumb. And it kind of pisses me off because
there are lots of things to complain about with the
Seattle Mariners. Rob ref Schneider is like twenty seventh out

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of twenty six. Somehow, there's no reason for people to
be just throwing this guy under the bus. And it
was so awesome to see him come through there and
to use the He honestly should have used the challenge earlier.
He missed by so much on that first strike too.
It's just so frustrating to see that that we don't
have just an automated system. But it's also just frustrating

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that people just like to crap on players because hey, Mariners,
and I find that annoying as hell when there are
legitimate things to complain about, like this ownership group and
the price of parking and a whole bunch of stuff.
There's legitimate reasons to complain about the Mariners. Rob Rechschneider
is negative a thousand on that list, and I'm just
demanding that people be better.

Speaker 1 (01:05:28):
Could he hit righty's at all?

Speaker 10 (01:05:30):
Not really well? Like he's the type of guy who's
gonna post like a six sixty ops against rightings and
that's not great. You don't want him in the lineup
against those guys. It's not an automatic out the way
Luke Rayley is an automatic out against left handers, but
it's not good. But against left handers, this guy has
a huge track record of playing well, and somebody brought
up that he's not been great as a pinch hitter.

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That sample size of twenty at bats a year is
just too small, and we've seen a couple of quality
pinch hit at bats. We've seen the process for Rob
ref Schnyder look good all year. The at bats just
haven't ended very well. But you saw what he can
do on Sunday. And if you want to say that's
confirmation by a so freaking be it. But I have
a large sample of Rob Reschneider being a really good

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bench bat, and I think is going to help the
Mariners a hell of a lot in twenty twenty.

Speaker 1 (01:06:18):
Sucks nay, if I need to get on the rest
under bandwagon, sir, all right, please can you get on there? Please?

Speaker 9 (01:06:22):
I've gotten Look, he gets one more hit this month,
He's gonna be on pace to be aj Pollock's hit
total by early September. And I think that's just terrific.
And I think that we should also loot this and
will be to anyone to see the Seattle Mariners sign
a mid thirties part time role player and think perhaps
this front office could have spied somebody and signed them
a year too late. That's never happened before. So if

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he gets off to a slow start, god forbid, we
start getting a little concerned that this could be a
bad fit. That's not disagreeing with anything that Chris is saying.
I am here to merely say for the average fan,
I understand why this front office is ability to He's
together platoon bats find older guys at towards the tail

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end of their careers.

Speaker 2 (01:07:05):
AJ Pollock was a great.

Speaker 9 (01:07:06):
Baseball player, had a fantastic major league career. I think
he was a six win player once in Arizona the
Marriner and had been a really useful bat if I
recall the year before the Mariners got him in Chicago
in primarily the role that we're talking about for Rob Refsnyder,
and the Mariners got him a year too late. He
bombed and he was out of baseball by the end
of that year. So it's not a shot at Rob
Refsnyder as much as it's just saying he's thirty five

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years old, which is around that time when careers start
to fall off. None of that means that he's done.
He just had a great at bat, he just won
a game. But the concern that the Mariners may have
done it again, I think is a valid one. That's
all I'm saying. We're just we're going to monitor the
situation for a little while and see where it goes.
But good for him and doing exactly what he's supposed
to do yesterday, that was awesome. I don't remember Paulick

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ever having a big that big of a hit in
the Mariner's uniform.

Speaker 5 (01:07:52):
I don't think he did. I mean, if the hit
twenty two of them, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:07:56):
The hit totals almost there, we're in pretty good shape
in that regard. I think it should I listen if
if certainly, I think everybody agrees, like, Okay, who is
Rob Refsnyder? And if you're not a diehard baseball fan,
right you're probably like, who the hell is this guy?
Especially if he's a platoon guy hitting only against lefties.
You know the number that jumped out at me. I
was thinking, God, Leo Ribos is just killing the ball

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right now. He's only two fre eight on the road trip,
but every hit he gets seems to be big.

Speaker 2 (01:08:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:08:21):
I think one of the cool things Chris about Leo
Revos is this, there are certain guys on every team
in every sport that the rest of the locker room, clubhouse, whatever,
rallies around. Remo seems to be that guy, like and
and when Donovan comes back, he's back to being, you know,
a utility guy. And that's probably this is probably not
we don't want to go down the Hey, Dylan Moore

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is having a good start to the season, let's play
him every day road right that I think I think
Nathan would agree with. That didn't work. I think that
was like four shows last year. Right, Why is Dylan
more than the lineup every single day of the year.
But Leo Revos just he only got seven RBI but
every one of them has been big.

Speaker 10 (01:09:00):
You know, and we kind of forget too that he
has one of the biggest hits in Seattle Mariners history,
that him in Game Live against whoever the reliever was.
That wasn't Turk's Google, thank you aj Hinch. And you know,
you listen to that guy in interviews afterwards and he's
just kind of like a little bit of a fireball,
which is funny to me because he sometimes you think

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of fireballs as being like free swinging guys who have
a ton of power. Well, that is not Louise Ribos.
He just takes our Leo Ribos, excuse me. He just
takes quality of bats, He draws his walks, he makes
pitchers work. Now, I do not want Leo Rivos to
be a starter for the Seattle Mariners, like you said,
but he's a nice little weapon to have off the
bench because he's somebody that you have to be a

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little bit cognizant of. And also just like you know,
he can wear you out. He can be the type
of guy who makes a reliever if he comes in
as a pinch hitter, throws six or seven pitches and
give hitters a chance to see what the arsenal is.
That's a valuable little thing. And he's not a great
defensive player, but I think his help was on it
third For the most part, I don't like seeing him

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at shortstop at all. I hope we never have to
see that again. But he'd be just fine at second
base too. But there's those are valuable players. And then
I think there's something too about the clubhouse too, Like
I do think that he is a positive resource for
those guys. Maybe resources the wrong term, but somebody that
they kind of rally around, and that's fun to see
as well. It's not all just about performance. Performance is

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the ultimate thing that matters, but if you can do
your job and you happen to be someone who's likable
in the dugout as well, that's a nice little added
bonus too.

Speaker 1 (01:10:36):
Yeah, I love the guy.

Speaker 9 (01:10:36):
That knows his skill set too, and Revoss knows exactly
what he can and cannot do on a baseball field.
To Chris's point with he's just never going to give
away to bat and I don't want to see him
a shortstop either, but he's probably the best shortstop currently
on the big league rosters.

Speaker 2 (01:10:49):
So I will just leave that at that.

Speaker 1 (01:10:53):
And that other guy that starts, he leads baseball and
successful abs challenges though, so Chris.

Speaker 5 (01:10:59):
He knows the strikes very well.

Speaker 1 (01:11:00):
Chris, he knows the strikes on. Chris doesn't always use
it well, but he knows you should bee along the way.
I don't want to bury the lead. Nathan might have
heard of a guy where his number twenty one, Cal Rawley,
last eleven games, eleven game on base streak, four home runs,
five RBI, all of a sudden sitting his six home
runs on the season, batting average, on base everything is

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starting to come up a little bit. Number twenty nine.
He's got a long ways to go to get back
to being MVP candidate. Cal Rawley, But if I'm the
rest of the American League to see this guy, this big,
the big dumper starting to dump some balls over the
fence and starting to look like he did a little
b last year. I'd be a little worried right now.

Speaker 2 (01:11:38):
Absolutely.

Speaker 9 (01:11:39):
Part of the reason why I was so bummed that
he didn't win the MVP last year is it that
probably is Cal's one real shot at winning an MVP award,
because you have to have that kind of a year
in order to challenge guys like Aaron Judge. That said,
the power is always there, so to see it show
up in the game again regularly, that's the thing that
needs the whole His whole game offensively re around being

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able to hit that ball over the fence, so just
getting the ball into the sweet spot more often, getting
the ball into the air, pulling the ball with power.
I think the first one he hit at the beginning
of this streak was actually not a poll shot. I
think he was left handed and went opo to left
field at T Mobile, which is a really hard place
for a left handed day at a home run because
it wasn't right down the line, it was full left
center power rally just showed that big, the big power

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that he has. So yeah, I think he's still going
to end up being either the best catcher in baseball
or a top three catcher in baseball. He is a
He and Julio continue to be the entire reason why
this offense has upside.

Speaker 1 (01:12:37):
Chris, What's changed for cal So?

Speaker 10 (01:12:40):
He's starting to chase a little bit less and the
barrels are starting to come. Now, it's still not where
you want him to see. He's in the bottom twentieth percentile,
but I do feel like he's just his timing is better.
We saw a lot of long foul balls from both
Julio and cal Raley in the first couple of weeks
of the season, and unfortunately now it's hard contact, but
all that countys is a strike. And I think he's

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starting to, you know, straighten it out. You know, you
hear the little league coaches say it all the time,
straighten it out, straighten it out. He's starting to straighten
it out a little bit. I also want to point
out this, this is the best defensive season, small sample,
to be sure, that I've seen from cal So far,
and I was just looking at the savant page to
see if it backs me up. Ninety seventh percentile and
blocks above average ninetyeighth percentile, and cut stealing above average

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framing isn't great, but I think framing is kind of
a thing that still matters, but maybe not as important
right now. Colt Rally's a really good player, and I
still think he's going to win an MVP someday because
I just believe in that power and I believe in
the positional value that he provides. It's really nice to
see the results. But the biggest thing is I think
the timing is better and he's starting to chase a

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little bit less.

Speaker 1 (01:13:46):
Well, if the if the you know, if Aaron Judge
is always your main competition, at some point, he's going
to got to go. At some point, he's going to
miss forty games, right Like, seriously, I'm not wishing an interview.
I'm not wishing an interview or an injury on somebody.
I'm just saying, at some point, the reality is his
body type and everything else, Like, he's probably gonna miss
some time and that'll open up the door. Josh Naylor,

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stay on your on what you're seeing in terms of
the chase rates and all those fun stuff, all the
little nerd stats you got there in front of them,
Chris Josh Naylor. The numbers, the raw numbers, his last
eleven games, three fifty seven, two doubles, three home runs,
all by the way, four for four on stolen base
is a one point two to three ops. Josh Naylor
starting to warm up a little bit.

Speaker 10 (01:14:27):
Yeah, And I knew that was going to happen, just
because I knew Josh Naylor wasn't the worst hitter in baseball,
and he was literally among them, if not the worst
hitter in baseball, especially when you consider positional value. His
timing looks a lot better squaring the baseball up at
a really strong rate, still not like great rates, you know,
but you're starting to see it. You know what else

(01:14:48):
you're starting to see is you're starting to see him run.
And I wonder if he's starting to have a little
bit more fun now. Worth pointing out that he gets
these the scratch from the lineup yesterday, so hopefully everything's
all right there. But I I just think the timing
there looks better too, and that's not a huge surprise.
Hitters sometimes just don't have that great timing, and hitters
who play in the World Baseball Classic often don't have

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that great timing. I don't know what the heck that is.
I'd love to have a deep dive into it. But
there are definitely guys who have played in the WBC
who just don't get off on all cylinders. You think
it would be the opposite that, like after playing in
a big competition, you're like ready to roar and just
on firing in all cylinders. But that certainly wasn't the
case for Naylor. I still have some concerns with Naylor.

(01:15:32):
I want to see I want to see quality back
to back games. We still haven't seen that. We've seen
a bunch of three hit games followed by zero for
fives with a couple of strikeouts. But it's nice to
see him getting on that right path and I have
no doubt that he's going to be a quality player
for the Marriags.

Speaker 1 (01:15:47):
All right, we'll tell you a quick break. We'll come back.
Pitching kind of a mixed bag, I would say last
week pitching wise, right, fellas like it it wasn't elite.
Let's just put it that way. And Nathan, you mentioned
you open every starter is going to have one of those.
We just don't ever expect to see it from Brian
Wu because he's Brian Flipping Wu. Like that doesn't happen

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but and hey, by the way, Luis Cassillo looking first
first win tonight if they play. It's raining there in Minnesota,
so we'll touch it on the pitching and look ahead
of the week ahead as well. Next on molliwat Monday night,
three point three k FM.

Speaker 7 (01:16:23):
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no alias Jessum and the specimen is there as well.

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And Ashley Ryan, who looks a lot like uh Anderson
Hurst today since we use our zoom account. All right,
wait years true, very true, All right, let's uh, I
want it before we get to some pitching stuff. Raise
your hand if you want to give some love to
Cole Young on this. Jess You're not involved, both of
you guys. Well, let's Chris let me start with this,

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because he raised his hand. Nathan Bishop, Cole Young love,
I'll let you start.

Speaker 10 (01:17:51):
Well.

Speaker 9 (01:17:51):
Look, I mean, the whole thing is being able to
call a spade of spade, and that's kind of been
my whole deal with when I talk about the Seattle Mariners.
So when they do things that are bad, I like
to say things are bad, and when they do things
that are good, I like to say they're good. It
just so happens that more or that often than not
they're bad. But I've been pretty harsh on this team's
ability to graduate useful positional prospects outside of Cal and Julio,

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which are obviously, I mean, they're the two best players
at their position in baseball, So it was pretty big exceptions.
But what this team has really needed to do this
entire decade, and honestly, the entire Depoto regime is not
just graduate stars, but graduate useful regular position players at
a semi regular rate. And with Cole Young, I think
they may just have one. And it's not just the

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fact that I think we were talking off air.

Speaker 2 (01:18:35):
OAA, which is.

Speaker 9 (01:18:36):
A defensive metric, has him rated as the best defensive
player in baseball. I don't think that you can suffer
that to be factual, but that is what it is.
He's played a good shortstop. The bat just looks so polished.
There's just so much about the way he hits both
right handers and left handers. He never really looks overmatched.
He doesn't have a bats that look terrible. Ever, even
when he doesn't get the results.

Speaker 2 (01:18:57):
That he wanted.

Speaker 9 (01:18:57):
I don't think that people regularly really remember how young
this guy still is.

Speaker 5 (01:19:02):
I think he's just.

Speaker 2 (01:19:03):
Turned twenty two.

Speaker 10 (01:19:04):
I could be wrong here.

Speaker 2 (01:19:05):
Chris will know his birthday off the top of.

Speaker 1 (01:19:06):
The twenty two. So he turns twenty three in July.

Speaker 9 (01:19:10):
Okay, turn twenty three in July, so he's still only
twenty two years old. He'd be a young player in
double and Triple A right now, and he's doing just
fine in the major leagues. It's not just results with Young,
it is processed too. The way that Cole Young is
playing baseball right now looks like a very repeatable, stable
level of performance, and that looks like something like an

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average to above average major league second basement, which is
the kind of player that Seattle Marriers have needed for
so very long and have been looking for four years.
So I'm just really encouraged by what I've seen so far.
I don't think there's any reason to think there's some
like he'll have struggles. Every player has struggles. We just
talked about how Julio Rodriguez and Cal Rawly spent the

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first month of the season basically not hitting at all.
Like those streaks come, but there's no reason to think
that's going to happen and he's not going to be
able to adjust back at this point.

Speaker 2 (01:19:59):
He has pedigree, he's graduated.

Speaker 9 (01:20:01):
He looks like the player that scout said he was
going to be and the way that scouts thought he
would be good.

Speaker 2 (01:20:06):
So it just seems like a good thing.

Speaker 10 (01:20:08):
Chris Real quick, because I don't think it's gonna come
up organically. Could you tell me where the Seahawks first
round draft pick came from? What school he went to?

Speaker 1 (01:20:16):
That would be the Notre Dame Fighting Irish, Thank you
very much, Notre Dame.

Speaker 10 (01:20:19):
So the thing with jendering Amos said they do in
their bowl game by the way, Oh, we don't need
to talk about it. And that looks great. It's great.
He didn't have touches and because he knew he wanted
to be a Seahawks baby, processed process and result. The
process for Cole Young has just looked so good, and

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he stays in on pitches, especially against lefties. Seeing the
improvement that he's made against left handed pitching has just
been so massive to me. And I'm not surprised that
he's a quality defender at second base. The arm strength,
it's still very hard to watch him throw because there's
not a lot of mustard on that hot dog. He
just doesn't have the elite arm strength that you want there.

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I believe averages seventy one point five miles per hour
on his throes, which is well down there. But I'm
just so impressed with like nothing seems to bother him.
He gets in two strike counts, he fouls off some pitches,
he bloops a little single into left center field, he
fouls off a couple of pitches, and then he shows
that pop. Some of the longest home runs we've seen
from the Seattle Mariners this year have been from Cole Young.

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There is strength in this guy's swing as well, but
he just kind of gets it. There's a little bit
of an it factor with Cole Young, and I've been
so impressed and the fact that you don't have to
rely on this guy to be This doesn't have to
be Jared Kelnick. This is not a guy who's being
called up to be, you know, like one of the
two or three best players on your team. This guy's
gonna hit at the bottom of the order for a

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while now in his career, he's going to start moving up.
I think he's going to be a perfect leadoff hitter
someday for the Seattle Mariners. But I love this situation
that they put themselves in with Young, and I think
that's going to be a similar situation that you see
with col T Emerson as well.

Speaker 1 (01:22:00):
The starting pitching fellas. Depending on which numbers you look at,
has been pretty good so far this season, and with
a couple of blips on the screen Tonight stars Luis Castillo.
He gets to start for Seattle the raw number zero
to one five point one earned run average for Rock
and not the one from WWE Chris, give me a

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give me just a quick vote. Wee we're gonna get
to we'll get to predictions and stuff and look ahead.
But some thoughts on starting pitching specifically, Boy, it was.

Speaker 10 (01:22:30):
Ugly from Brian Wu. But outside of that, I've been
really impressed. And you know, Wu was due for a
game like this, And when do we find out that
the baseball was juiced to eighty seven percent for that day,
I won't be surprised because it was just flying out
of the ballpark. I've been really impressed. And the concern
for me right now is Castillo just because he's getting
hit hard average ex velocities at the bottom six percentile,

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hard hit percentage bottom eighteenth percentile, and it's because he's
just not locating his secondary pitches at all. His off
speed run value is negative three, which is in the
bottom two percent. The fastball looks fine, he's getting swings
and missus. I hate to make this comp There's been
a little bit of NOESI to him this year where
can get ahead of guys and just can't finish him
off right now. And that is that. I know, I

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know it's not a nice thing, but I still believe
in Luis Castillo. But he's the one guy right now
outside of maybe Emerson Hancock who's coming a little bit
back to life. Although six innings of two run baseball's
nothing to sneeze at, but this starting pitching has been
really good.

Speaker 1 (01:23:31):
Nathan starting bullpen Analyst's choice here for the final your
final thought.

Speaker 9 (01:23:37):
Here, I'll talk a little bit about the rotation too.
I'll just say that the thing with I'm everything Chris
said as accurate as it always is. He's almost as
smart as he is handsome. But I will say the
Emerson Hancock thing that worries me is a couple of things.
And the reason why I think my concerned level is
maybe a little higher with him than it is with Castillo.
Castillo's issue is that he's just getting older, has a

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lot of Indians on that arm, and you're seeing fatigue
way that comes from years and years of regular use.
I still think there's a great track record there, including
last year of him being a guy who will take
the ball every five days and give you a pennable start.
Hancock doesn't have that track record. He had a really
encouraging beginning to the season, but you're starting to see
that third time through the order penalty really catch up

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to him the last couple starts where he's once guys
have seen him a couple times through in a start,
He's really starting to get banged around that third time through.
That couple with the lack of pedigree, there is just
a little That's the one that I'm kind of monitoring
a little more closely. Like we've talked in the past,
the Mariners are exceptionally well suited to figure that out
should they have to make a change in the rotation

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between Bryce Miller and Kate Anderson coming. The thing that
I'm noticing and that I keep harping on with this
team is I'm just looking at the Fangrafts stats here,
and this is all small sample sized stuff. The Mariner's
rotation just they're pitching at large is I think fifth
and baseball at three point eight wins, which is great.
Top five pitching is great. They are really low relative

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to that in their strikeout rate. They're twenty first in
strikeout rate, which would be fine, except that that means
that balls are in play, and that means that this
defense has to field the ball and successfully throw it
to someone in order to record an out. And I
think that's the thing, more than the pitching and more
than the hitting that we really it's going to be
the toughest thing for this organization to.

Speaker 1 (01:25:20):
Solve real fast before we wrap things up. Chris two
updates Bryce Miller, Kate Anderson.

Speaker 10 (01:25:26):
Yeah, Katy Anderson had another outstanding start, a zero point
four to eight ERA now in Double A, which is
just a ridiculous pretty good first god first live or
four excuse me, professional starts. I heard Bryce Miller looked
pretty good. I didn't actually see the stat line, but
was up to ninety eight miles per hour with his fastball.
They're going to have some really interesting decisions to make,
really interesting because all three of those guys have some

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trade value too, and you can have one of them
in the bullpen, you probably can't have the other. Kat
Anderson at some point is going to be a waste
in Double A. It's going to be what are you doing?

Speaker 1 (01:26:00):
What is the point, What's what's the process? But help
us out like old guys like me that used to
see like every good you know, like it was it
was truly a step ladder, single A, double A, triple A, Majors.
Does he still need to go to triple A?

Speaker 10 (01:26:13):
Nope, nope. And we've seen it from the Mariners in
the past, like Logan Gilbert I went believe went straight
from double A. George Kirby made like one Triple A
start before ending up getting into the majors. And we've
seen guys like Paul Skins and others of those ilk
And I'm not saying he's as good as Paul Skins
or a Tree schoobl or something like that, but he's
really good. But no, he does not have to make

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starts in triple A. They may choose to do that
because they want him to work with that coaching staff,
but absolutely not. He could absolutely make the jump from
double A.

Speaker 1 (01:26:43):
And it just does sound like it's almost at some
point here in the next few weeks. It's like why
why you even here, Like like it's just a waste
of everything. Okay, Chris Mile, why pumping up?

Speaker 10 (01:26:52):
What do you expect the way really appreciate you guys
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Speaker 1 (01:27:05):
Six games this week, four and two almost like four
two fortune.

Speaker 10 (01:27:10):
There's gonna be probably a doubleheader at some point, which
screws everything up.

Speaker 1 (01:27:13):
Yeah, today looks like it's in Dell. Right, today looks
very much in.

Speaker 10 (01:27:17):
Not forbid.

Speaker 2 (01:27:17):
They get on a hot streak before July. Five teams all.

Speaker 1 (01:27:20):
Week five, the Bishop, I love it.

Speaker 2 (01:27:23):
Yeah, let's start.

Speaker 9 (01:27:24):
Let's start this with them in first place in a
week and actually like not have to talk about that anymore.

Speaker 3 (01:27:28):
How about six and oh get a ten game winning
streak going huh okay.

Speaker 1 (01:27:34):
Oh yeah, we got all kinds of stuff. Ten and
ten straight wins. Come on, Anders, this isn't July. We'll
wait till, we'll wait till they have their next little swing. Well,
they'll swoon down a little bit and we'll have one
of those weeks and then all of a sudden, they're
gonna sring together like a ten ten game winning streak
with a two middle fingers pointed to Molly Watt Monday
is what is going to happen?

Speaker 10 (01:27:52):
So Jederian Press wants to Notre Dame.

Speaker 2 (01:27:55):
I'm just glad you've heard of this.

Speaker 5 (01:27:57):
Pronounce his name right, Chris.

Speaker 1 (01:27:58):
Jadarian with car. Yeah, yes, we were correct. We were
all corrected over the weekend. Judd Darr rhymes with car.
Gotta know that name when he's rushing for about fifteen
hundred yards next season in twelve touchdowns. Huh you sweet?

Speaker 10 (01:28:13):
I love him.

Speaker 1 (01:28:14):
I just is running made it Notre Dame behind that
line and uh in Arizona is gonna probably end up
playing three games and be just beat the hell and yeah,
stop it.

Speaker 10 (01:28:25):
We love Jeremiah love. We just want him to play
outside of this division.

Speaker 1 (01:28:29):
Yeah, that would be nice throwing balls.

Speaker 2 (01:28:30):
How can he fail?

Speaker 1 (01:28:32):
Hey, it's Gardner, It'll be Gardner first, funny. Just don't
worry about it. Okay, stop it go, Cook's all right.

Speaker 2 (01:28:38):
That's it.

Speaker 1 (01:28:38):
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Speaker 7 (01:29:04):
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Headlines headlines brought to you by Frostbrew cors I choose
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right here on ninety three point three KJRFM. A ton
of fun Seahawks end up with eight picks overall. Jadari
In Price. We're gonna hear from him in a second.
The first round pick thirty second overall. On Thursday two,
DB's but Clark, Julie Neil, a couple of defensive backs.
On Day two. Bo Stevens, a guard, was a fifth

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round pick. On Saturday. Emmanuel Henderson and junior or out
of Kansas, A wide receiver, kick returner Andre Fuller, another
cornerback out of Toledo. Devin Eastern big Man, big big
dude man. Have you seen this?

Speaker 2 (01:29:43):
Dude?

Speaker 1 (01:29:43):
No softy always wants They quote Big Tubago in the
middle he does. Devin Eastern is that guy?

Speaker 5 (01:29:48):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:29:49):
Michael Dansby, a cornerback, rounded out their draft picks. What
was all said and Don Mariners finished off a nice
week with four s right wins, including a sweep of
the Saint Louis Cardinals. They now are in Minnesota. Tonight's
game is very much in question. Rain falling in the
Twin Cities. They built a stadium there a few years
ago that doesn't have a roof. It also snows there.

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Do you remember the snow game the Menders had there
a few years ago?

Speaker 6 (01:30:12):
That was time.

Speaker 1 (01:30:13):
Yeah, that's good time. So that's a really bright move
on their part. Mlbe Red Sox fire the whole coaching staff,
including manager Alex Cora. Over the weekend as well, Carolina
Colorado Bulls sweep their series in the NHL playoffs, with
one of the second round of the Stanley Cup Playoffs,
Portland losing to San Antonio Wemby back last night. He'd
love to see it. Portland sucks Wemby. They they had

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a chance on Friday to take a two to one
series lead at home. They're revved up no Wemby and
they lose, and then Wemby comes back yesterday and they
lose again, down three to one. Rumor has that their
new owner is going to not let They're gonna have
toake a bust to San Antonio after that. It's the
entire team, that's what they're gonna do. Uh there as
well and news from the NBA courtesy of Tim Booth

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from the Seattle Times. At a meeting today with sports
editors across the country, Adam Silver saying unlikely that there
will be a vote on NBA expansion this summer. So
now the hope is it'll get done sometime in September,
before the season, at the next bord of Governor's meeting,
or before the end of the year if they have
to call a special session. But does not sound like
we'll have an NBA franchise awarded until at the earliest

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this coming fall. Speaking of Jadarian Price, had a chance
he and I to catch up with him the other day.
It was kind of late, We're all running around. Wanted
to take a listen to this. By the way, four
nine four to five one is the tacomadach text line.
Want to get you guys a chance to get to
know and hear from the first round draft pick of
your Seattle Seahawks.

Speaker 8 (01:31:40):
With the thirty second big in the twenty twenty six
NFL Draft, the Seattle Seahawks select.

Speaker 5 (01:31:47):
Jdarian Price, Notre Dame running back.

Speaker 1 (01:31:52):
And obviously very exciting day for Jadarian Price, for his
family and for Seahawks fans as well. And he joined
us right now on the Beacon Plumbing hot line. Jadari
and this is ian Fanacic Kjr. Along with former NFL
quarterback Hugh Millen, who's with me as well. How are
you doing today on the day after you become a
first round draft pick by the Super Bowl champion Seattle Seahawks.

Speaker 6 (01:32:16):
Okay, yes, sir, how you how you feeling wild? I'm
feeling good.

Speaker 1 (01:32:25):
What walk us through yesterday?

Speaker 5 (01:32:26):
A little bit?

Speaker 1 (01:32:28):
The phone call from John Schneider, the emotions you went
through and everything that took place yesterday.

Speaker 8 (01:32:35):
Yeah, So just just moments before the call, I was
still walking around, like you know, anxious about what was
going to happen next, whether they going to keep the
pick or whatever was going to happen. I brought it
to myself to.

Speaker 6 (01:32:49):
Just you know, sit down and relax.

Speaker 8 (01:32:50):
And as I was going to the couch, my phone
started ringing, and I'm just like, oh, it's that time
and on snare you know, intwer the phone it was.

Speaker 6 (01:33:00):
I'll just rush what emotions immediately.

Speaker 1 (01:33:03):
Your why was well talked about last night. We were
here with listening to your conference call and when you
called into all of us here in the media in Seattle.
And before I turn it over to my ex NFL
quarterback here, Hugh Milan, who's going to throw some x's
and o's at you and some football stuff that's way
over my acumen, sir, A couple of things jumped out.
One is they talked about loyalty to John Schneider and

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Mike McDonald yesterday. We live in a world now, as
you well know that the world of nil, and young
men can get paid and compensated for playing football at
the highest level. Oftentimes they go and get more money
or they look for more playing time. You're at a
school like Notre Dame, incredible academic institution. You don't get
in there just because you're a good football player. We
know that we heard from your high school coach today,

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but you also stuck around and maybe as a backup.
We're sharing some time with a guy that was a
number three pick in the in the NFL draft. That
doesn't happen. That just flat out doesn't happen anymore in
today's football. Why did you stick around Notre Dame? What
what was it that kept you there as opposed to
going somewhere else where you could have been the lead
back and there would have been no question about going

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in the first round.

Speaker 8 (01:34:11):
Yeah, there was many factors, one being I committed to
the University of Notre Dame and it's the best place
I could be, and it made me a better player,
a better person, and and then and grateful for you
know what Notre Dame has has given me. I wanted
to finish my degree. I graduate Notre Dame, and I

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wanted to come back with those guys in the Peteford
National Championship like we did the year before. But also
I made, you know, chalance to myself to do just
as good and produce just as much as the best
player in college football. And I trusted my was saying,
even though I had a lot of people in my ears,
they're saying I should do one thing or another, But
I trusted my good and I'm here.

Speaker 2 (01:34:53):
Today, Jadarian. Price with this, Jadari, and take us into
whether it's your meeting room or on the sideline during
the games or what have you. There must have been
some component where you and Jeremiah were challenging each other,
whether it's competing for reps or or some like maybe
it's a friendly you know, like like, hey, I can

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get more out of this stretch than you can get.
You know, like like just kind of tell us the
nature of that very unique competition you two have.

Speaker 8 (01:35:27):
When you mentioned that, it brings me back to uh.
I think it was the third game of the season.
I had four touchdowns against Purdue and we were challenging ourselves.
I think we had we had six total touchdowns out
of the running back room, like, all right, when we
go against Arkansas the next week, it's gotta be more
and going to and we had another running back, so

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we had seven and then we were just like, all right,
we gotta keep this going.

Speaker 6 (01:35:56):
You don't.

Speaker 8 (01:35:57):
It's not very often you score seven touchdowns from from
one position group every other game, but you know, just
we made a challenge ourselves to be the best running
back duo in the country, and ultimately the you know,
the greatest running backs come through there, Dame and that
came with our work. I think the time we spent
in the training room or the the meeting room and

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the weight room with recovery.

Speaker 6 (01:36:21):
Stuff like that.

Speaker 8 (01:36:22):
But also when one one persons going on the field
at the time, the other guys just watching him closely
and you know, figuring out ways to give the other
guy tips and stuff.

Speaker 6 (01:36:32):
You know, we were never hiding away.

Speaker 8 (01:36:34):
Like you know, ways to get better and during the game.

Speaker 2 (01:36:36):
So yeah, Jedari in price with us again. And and yeah,
I saw that swing route. You took the swing screen
against Arkansas. You cut back, took it to the house
from about midfield. But and that in fact, uh that
that was one of the plays. After we drafted you,
Jdari and I went back and watched the game. The
coaches tape all one hundred and thirteen of your carries

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and all seven times that they threw to you. And
so I've got a good mental image of what you
put on tape. And first of all, it's a fun
tape to watch. You're a beautiful football player and on
behalf of the twelves were delighted that you're a Seahawk. Okay,
so it's a fun tape. I want to ask you
an x is, and no question, because you said last night,
your bread and butter is the outside zone, which, as

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you know as the Seahawks bread and butter. Right at
the beginning of the season, you were running at some
of that from pistol, you know, never from under center
with a quarterback shotgun, so you had some pistol. But
then most of the season you were off set. So
if you're going stretch right, you were aligned to the
quarterbacks left, kind of in the b gap off a

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left guard, you know, the outside leg of the guard.
Tell us how that changes in your mind, the difference
between being in the dot right behind the quarterback versus
you have so many reps where you were off set,
you're going stretch right, but you line up to the left.
Tell us how that changes your reads and and how
you expect that may change when you go to the

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Seahorks and you're behind the center.

Speaker 6 (01:38:08):
Yeah, we realized, you know, whether we're in gun or.

Speaker 8 (01:38:10):
In a pistol, you know, just based off of the
stats throughout the season, sometimes it was better to be
and the coaches mindset it was, you know, pistol short yards.
But in my mind, honestly, I'd rather be in gun
for the short yards situations, but in my mind, also

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from Gun, it's a little bit more of a stretch
and you're kind of forced to hit the outside or
sea gap. But when you're for Pistol, you can kind
of see the whole picture and you can easily see
the backside as well, So you know, when those double
teams happen, they double team all the way up to
the linebackers, you can easily have a cutback or no
cut at all, which my old runs back coach used
to say is the best cut. But yeah, I love

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both of them, you know, whether it was Gun or Pistol.
And you know what we did from Pistol, it's definitely
going to translate to the NFL what they do under center,
and you got things off of that with like the
you know, the RPO stuff that we did in college
and stuff like that, and the play action stuff. It

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definitely would translate.

Speaker 1 (01:39:17):
Jdarian Price joining a Seahawk first round pick thirty second
overall out of Notre Dame. I want to go back
to growing up. We heard from the show before me today.
Greg Bell, he's a Seahawk beat writer for one of
the local papers and news tributing He was talking to
your high school coach from I think it was from
your last year. He only coached the one year. He
said he got handed an escalade for his first year

(01:39:37):
coaching there in Dennison. But he talked about what you
listen for people that know the story of your mother.
I was diagnosed with breast cancer in twenty sixteen and
went through chemotherapy of two younger sisters and and you
kind of became the head of the household. You took
control of everything at a very young age. And he said,
you never complained about it. You never asked for anything special.
You just you went about your business. I'll ask you this,

(01:40:00):
your mom and your sisters, and what does your mom
mean to you? Because she obviously instilled something in you
that's that's different. It's different level and taking care of
her is one thing, but just the fact that you
took it upon yourself to do that. So what does
she mean to you? And what did last night mean
to her? From you as well?

Speaker 8 (01:40:19):
Yeah, she means everything to me, And I think the
ultimate thing is watching her go through breast cancer and
overcome that. It really made me feel like nothing that
came at me adversity wise, was gonna defeat me.

Speaker 6 (01:40:34):
And she can go through something.

Speaker 8 (01:40:35):
Like that life threatening, then I can go through anything,
you know, whether it's an injury or a little setback
or a miss simon, if almost anything, there's always a
way to get over it and just think it back
to my mom and using that as motivation, like it
could always be worse, and just the fact that I'm
in this position that I am now to you know,

(01:40:55):
change other people's lives. I'm going to do everything in
my ability to be the best can out there on
the field.

Speaker 1 (01:41:02):
You can also change her life automatically as a first
round draft pick in the NFL. I know, you know that.
Uh what about your sister? What about your sisters? Because
I assume that the four of you are pretty night
close knit family.

Speaker 8 (01:41:15):
Yeah, my two younger sisters. You know, we're all pretty
close in ags, so we'll fuss in the.

Speaker 6 (01:41:21):
Fight growing up.

Speaker 8 (01:41:22):
But uh, you know, as we've matured on and and
you know, thankfully, you know, hopefully I was a role
model to them and they tell me every day how
proud they are of me, and I like to give
them some messages that I get.

Speaker 6 (01:41:34):
From my coaches.

Speaker 8 (01:41:35):
And that's just the type of person I am. I
like to use those those football and t meeting messages
just to lay them onto them and you know, just
life is hard, and but if you just keep finding
your wives and the reasons for living and keep your
purpose in God and everything and be all right. And
they remind me all the time.

Speaker 2 (01:41:52):
So yeah, that's wonderful. Jadari and Price with this and
JDI and those experiences, you know, they prairie for the challenges.
One of the challenges you're going to have. In the
eyes of the Seahawk fans here the twelves is they're
looking at you say, Okay, he was the backup to
Jeremiah Love in college. But now as you know, Kenneth

(01:42:13):
Walker as a chief the Super Bowl MVP, and you've
got zach Sharbonnat he's hurt for half the year. You
go from running back number two in college to running
back number one for the Super Bowl champions. Is that
a thought that's kind of hit you. I know you're

(01:42:34):
ready for the challenge, but just kind of tell us
what your mindset is to be able to graduate that
step in that challenge.

Speaker 8 (01:42:43):
Well, my mindset, personally, it's just a nickel be ready
for anything and go into the locker room and compete
like I'm an undrafted free agent. You know, that's my mindset,
always have a chip on my shoulder. I didn't even
see myself going first round, and I did it, And
that just goes showed all the hard work I put

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in and the production that I showed on the field
the past three years.

Speaker 6 (01:43:07):
And it's only going to get even better.

Speaker 8 (01:43:08):
I can feel myself getting better, my bodies.

Speaker 6 (01:43:10):
I'm healthy.

Speaker 8 (01:43:11):
I understand my body more now and and my habits
are getting better. So I'm prepared to be you know,
bad if I need to, and returning specially if I
need to. But I just want to be out there
on the field and play football again.

Speaker 1 (01:43:26):
We you talked about adversity a second ago, and and
you have a former teammate that had to go through
that last year. He was drafted Riley Mills by Seattle.
He's a Day three pick, and I remember Seattle talking
about him and McDonald and Schneider came in here, remember you,
and they talked about, hey, he's coming off any injury.
We're willing to wake because we think this guy is special.
Lo and behold he I don't know. I've got a
sack in the Super Bowl.

Speaker 10 (01:43:46):
That worked.

Speaker 1 (01:43:47):
Uh yeah, yeah, worth that was worth the Wait what
have I Have you talked to Riley much at all?
And what has he told you about coming out here?

Speaker 8 (01:43:56):
I haven't much, but I was definitely tuned in the
then a former teammate, former teammate, former cat do what
he did?

Speaker 6 (01:44:04):
You know? It was it was unbelievable.

Speaker 8 (01:44:06):
It was, you know, emotional moment, but proud of him
and I can't wait to be teammates with him again.

Speaker 1 (01:44:12):
I got a bit, I got a piggyback on this.
This he's a well spoken man. Let's let's ask you
as an analyst. We only saw a glimpse of Riley Mills.
What what are we going to see next year from
him when he's healthy? Oh?

Speaker 6 (01:44:24):
Man, that.

Speaker 8 (01:44:26):
One of the strongest and fermous guys I've ever I mean,
the amount of times.

Speaker 6 (01:44:29):
That dude caught me with one arm.

Speaker 8 (01:44:33):
Going through a gap and practice in fall camp, it's
it's it gives me nightmares. But no, he's a he's
a great player and I can't wait to see him
back healthy.

Speaker 2 (01:44:44):
Yeah that's great. Well, we're gonna continuing your role as
an analyst. Okay, I want you to analyze yourself, jar
and so, so the question would be this, you got
to answer. It's in two parts. You got to say,
we're gonna give you permission to go third person. Jedarion
Price is a first rounder because his best skill is

(01:45:08):
blank and then uh comma. But Jadarion Price most in
the needs to work in his game on this aspect.
So you get you get two shots out that. I
know you're Notre Dame and educated and smart, so you
can handle a two parter. But go ahead and be
an analyst and fill in those questions.

Speaker 8 (01:45:27):
Yeah, Jadarion Price is a fresh round running back because
of his ability to make plays on the field and
whether it's offense or special teams.

Speaker 6 (01:45:38):
And he's a home run hit or he's got home
run speed.

Speaker 8 (01:45:41):
He knows how to get to the second level and
make guys miss. Almost every time he gets the ball,
he makes someone missed. And his teammate Ermi Love is
a phenomenal player, but Price being able to do what
he did on that level with with that caliber of
a players is uh as special and Jadaron Price is
going to do special things in the NFL when he

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gets the opportunity.

Speaker 10 (01:46:03):
What do you need to work on.

Speaker 2 (01:46:05):
Yeah, that's half you're halfway home. That was great, man.
You just bought that stretch up the sideline for like
forty yards. That was that was awesome. But now you
got to cut back into the middle of the field.
So what's what's what's the what's the Jaredarien Price has
to work on? Go ahead and finish it up.

Speaker 6 (01:46:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:46:24):
One thing that he needs to work on is just
continue to be consistent in the past game pass protection,
protecting quarterback. That's a huge thing, and he's done. He's
showed great skill in doing that. He has plenty of
film out there where he show a good fighting, good
technique and he does it pretty well. But just consistently
being able to protect the quarterback and being a reliable

(01:46:45):
source out of the backfield.

Speaker 6 (01:46:47):
I love it.

Speaker 1 (01:46:48):
Hey, listen, this is a great conversation. Seahawk fans texting
right now on our radio station, our sports station here,
just loving you and excited to see you in a
Seahawk uniform. We can't wait to see you out here
at mini campany out here very soon in the next
few days. And congratulations to you and mostly your family
and specifically your mom on everything she's been through. And
the long road, and she's got a first round draft

(01:47:10):
pick as a son now and a lot to be
proud of because you're a lot more than that, as
we can know. So thank you so much for coming
on today.

Speaker 6 (01:47:16):
Yes, sir, I can't wait. I appreciate Joe.

Speaker 1 (01:47:19):
That is Jadarian Price, the ceok's first round draft pick,
thirty second overall. You know, on Friday when we had
that on right at the end of the show, we
he and I were talking to him and I thought
it was an interesting dynamic. A lot of people were
saying and I didn't get it at the time. Now
he's very well spoken, very thoughtful with his responses. It

(01:47:40):
didn't catch me at the time, but now I get it.
There were a lot of people texting, going, God, he
sounds like Doug Baldwin. He does like voice inflection, how
he talks, what he says, very centered, person very yeah,
all those things. There's a lot there's a very Doug
Baldwin type feel to his response. And that's massively high praise. Yeah, Like,

(01:48:02):
it really doesn't get any higher than that when you
get compared to Doug Baldwin, not the player, but Doug
Baldwin just in terms of how you carry yourself. Absolutely,
you know, and Doug's on so many great things off
the field as well. All Right, we'll take a break.
Come back four nine four to five on that is
it's coming to Dodge text line four nine four to
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your concerns.

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Speaker 11 (01:48:43):
Guys, chip here, So let me get this straight. The
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Speaker 10 (01:48:48):
Oh my god, color me shocked.

Speaker 11 (01:48:50):
If only there was some pattern of behavior before this
that could have predicted such a scenario. I'm not saying
you guys shouldn't be talking about it.

Speaker 10 (01:48:56):
D and I get it.

Speaker 11 (01:48:56):
It's I totally get while you're addressing it. I'm not
saying it shouldn't a topic. I'm not even telling people
not to be excited fan how you want a fan?
But holy hell, for me, who was a huge Sonics fan,
continued zero exit'em intel, an official announcement.

Speaker 1 (01:49:12):
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Speaker 1 (01:49:31):
Okay, four two five. Along the lines, that talkback says, NBA,
here we go again. Looks like twenty twenty nine now,
so I'm done. Then the last the talk back there,
do you guys agree with with that doomsday or not?

Speaker 4 (01:49:51):
I feel like it's a never ending carrot on a stick,
So I just don't trust anything that they're saying.

Speaker 1 (01:49:59):
That's totally fair.

Speaker 3 (01:50:01):
I feel like it's hard for fans to really understand,
like everything that else goes on behind the scenes a
little bit, to really know that, you know, for people
that are closer to this situation, that there isn't as
much doom and gloom as the official announcement and then
the reaction, you know what I mean. So I understand

(01:50:23):
the feeling. I don't feel the same way. I still
am pretty relatively like, Okay, let's let's get it going here.

Speaker 1 (01:50:32):
Yeah, I would say all that all that really came
out today is that we won't expect to hear something
in July, right in terms of a vote, which was
like kind of the target date probably best case scenario.
Just if you, because we've been waiting for so long,
be nice to and you know July would have been

(01:50:54):
I'll tell you what it would have been in a lot
of ways, just kind of like, okay, announce it in July.
We lost the team in July, teams coming back in
two years, that will be twenty years from July. All
those things it would have that would have been kind
of a nice way to put a bull on it.
The NBA doesn't think that way. They think, well, that's debatable.
I do believe it's I just I really think this

(01:51:17):
is more about Vegas than anything else. I think they're
trying to buy Vegas more time to get their blank
together because ideally you come in with thirty two and
not thirty one. So I think that's what that is.
The NHL, it's just the blueprints there. If it's if
it's not done by it, it was successful, right. If
Vegas doesn't work then then that's fine. Then come in

(01:51:40):
with thirty one and give Vegas another year and a
half and if that doesn't work, then you go to
Nashville or wherever else you want to go instead of
instead of Vegas. I don't think it's a huge deal.
I don't even know if I wouldn't even call it
a setback. I would just say it's just a little
bit of a delay, a little bit of a delay.
And even then that's maybe not really accurate to call

(01:52:01):
it a delay. It might just be more of it.

Speaker 3 (01:52:05):
There's no timeline, right, it's a delay until hearing it officially,
but it's not delaying of when it would actually happen.

Speaker 1 (01:52:11):
Right, because because here's the thing, it's it's not a
there's no set in stone timeline other than they said
they want to make a decision before the end of
the year. Right, that's the one thing we know in
terms of an actual decision. They want to have a
decision done by the end of the year. Well, we're
in month number.

Speaker 5 (01:52:28):
Four, almost the end of the month.

Speaker 1 (01:52:29):
Yes, yeah, coming up on month five. Seven months to
go before the end of the year. It's time, lots
of time, but it needs I do believe it does
need to be done.

Speaker 5 (01:52:41):
By September October at the latest.

Speaker 1 (01:52:45):
If you want the two year thing, I think maybe
you could squeeze it in in December and say, okay,
well you got you know, twenty one months to go
or whatever. But it's that's not even two calendar years
until you have a draft, and until you have an
expansion and draft. I think there's a big push. My
understanding is there's a big push around the league that
owners and gms around the league want to have at

(01:53:07):
least two years to figure out what they're doing with
their salary cap, what they're doing with their players, their roster,
who's going to be available. This isn't like and this
is not a slide on the PWHL, but it's not
like the PWHL where now they'll have adding a couple
more teams next year, right, And it's just it's not
as intricate in terms of who you're drafting. The NHL

(01:53:28):
expansion Draft was a lot to it. The NBA expansion
Draft not as much because there's not as many players,
but there's a lot too it in terms of salarycap.
So I understand why there's a big pushback and they
want to have two full years so July would have
been really literally two full years before you had a
draft and expansion, draft, free agency and all those things.

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Speaker 3 (01:53:57):
So I asked my one question and follow up would
be what if Vegas doesn't get their point together, like
what happens?

Speaker 5 (01:54:03):
Then it's a question, Like I said, there's there's two
ways you go.

Speaker 1 (01:54:07):
There's two ways you go thirty one teams, the reversity,
the NHL Seattle first, Vegas second, or they just put
it all off because I don't believe they here's the thing,
they don't need to be in a rush. They did
not open the door for another city to make any
kind of push like Vancouver or Nashville, what have you. Right,

(01:54:30):
that's the thing that's so to me, it's either it's
either both one or none.

Speaker 5 (01:54:36):
It's not a different situation.

Speaker 1 (01:54:37):
I don't know. Yeah, and I don't know what they're thinking.
Somebody just texting two f three just a little delay
dot thought. Seriously, I get it, man, I totally get it.
It's I think I've almost become immune to it. Yeah,
that's another two five three says that's because the words
they're choosing to use, and they're obviously going out of
their way to use them, doesn't suggest any way basketball
team will be here anytime soon. Well, let's just I

(01:55:01):
don't want to tell people to be patient. I don't know,
we'll see.

Speaker 4 (01:55:03):
Now that word has kind of worn off. Yeah, you
know when it comes to we're looking at twenty years, right.
So No, I moved out here right after the Sonics left.

Speaker 1 (01:55:14):
It's it's been nice, way too long.

Speaker 4 (01:55:17):
I witnessed the hole that it left in the city,
that it left on the downtown businesses I lived.

Speaker 3 (01:55:22):
Continued to leave, not left, continued, no, no, no.

Speaker 4 (01:55:25):
Yeah, it happened, and I I was, you know, blissfully
unaware of that impact that it would have. And you know,
the Seattle U basketball team was playing there at the
at the time, so I saw what life it brought
in small amounts compared to the NBA, but I you know,

(01:55:45):
I was blocks away from what was Kirina.

Speaker 1 (01:55:48):
A lot of people texting a lot of negative thoughts,
and I get it.

Speaker 6 (01:55:51):
I it's it's.

Speaker 5 (01:55:52):
Not a positive development.

Speaker 1 (01:55:53):
We can't No, it's not I mean, it would be nice,
say hey, we were hoping to having a vote joint.
If they would have said today, we're hoping to have
a vote vigil to me, that would have been more
significant than what was happened, would happened a month ago, yeah,
because we'd be like, Okay, this is gonna happen in July. Yeah, now,
maybe it will happen in the fall. Okay, let's see
two five three. I do not believe the Seahawks trade
out of the fourth round and next year is a

(01:56:15):
very good draft to pick a guard that will not start. Now,
it's a good point they did. It was a weird
trade when it happened, because we're all like, okay, this
is Everyone has different draft value charts and all those things,
and they probably vary by year by the depth of
the draft. But when the Seahawks traded to get bo
Stevens in the fifth round and in what they I mean,

(01:56:39):
so they traded a twenty twenty seven fourth round pick
to Cleveland for the fifth round pick this year, that
was straight up yeah, that doesn't make sense on the
charts necessarily. Now you'll have extra fourth round picks next
year's compensatory picks for losing the free agency did this year,
but it didn't seem to make sense. And yeah, they
maybe Boa Stevens did they act them to start. I

(01:57:01):
think they expect him, if nothing else, to compete for
that right guard position and provide, really, to be honest
with you, so much need to death at the two
guard positions.

Speaker 3 (01:57:09):
Between Zabel and brad Well and Rob mentioned this. I
think it was on Friday that while you look at
the strength of the draft and it's just the consensus
is that next year's draft is much stronger. That's why
the Seahawks have many more picks. But the Seahawks right
now are looking to compete, right They just want a
Super Bowl. They're trying to go back to back. It's
the timing of everything too. You can kind of, you know,

(01:57:29):
I don't say mortgage, but give up a little bit
of what you have next year to get something now
and try and go back to back, because you you
can't just bet everything on one draft.

Speaker 1 (01:57:38):
Well, right, and and Rob brought this up to like
and so did Hugh. Like the way the roster is constructed,
you weren't going to use all those picks next season.
Those guys all weren't going to make the team exactly,
and you, Yeah, so those guys all weren't going to
make the team, so you you move, And I think
what the key is is you're not just making a
trade to make a trade with the Texter said is

(01:58:00):
one hundred percent truy. They all of a sudden, there's
a guy on their board that they had ranked I
think Greg said third or fourth round, and he's sitting
there in the in the middle of the fifth round
still and the second you think you can get them,
you make that move.

Speaker 5 (01:58:15):
I thought it was great.

Speaker 4 (01:58:15):
It actually showed me the confidence he has the biggest
glaring holes, I think to everybody who was running back
cornerback when it came to this draft. So when they
traded up, you know, fourth round next year for a
fifth round this year, I think it's a no brainer
for both teams, to be honest. And I loved it
because it showed me the confidence in the base that

(01:58:37):
they have.

Speaker 1 (01:58:38):
Yeah, they knew they needed some offensive line depth. They'd
already got the dbs, they got the running back, the
edge rusher, whoever that might be for them wasn't there.
And they went, you know, I here's the thing we
all just don't ever try to predict John Schneider in
the draft. Don't ever try to criticize. You can criticize
John Schneider in the draft, but you better you sure
as hell better. Wait a couple of years, I was

(01:58:59):
just wait, wait until Malik McDowell decides never going to
play a snap in the NFL. Wait till that happens.
Wait till Kristin Michael doesn't turn out to be much
of anything, Like wait till Travis Kelson. Yeah, wait, wait
until that happens. And then I mean, I don't know,
this would be such a massively deep dive. It would
be impossible to do, and someone really have to want

(01:59:20):
to do it. But like, think about this, if you
just kind of went back over the and Schneider, I
think is the longest tenured true GM in the league
right now, right it's seventeen years. It's good question you
go back and just compare what he's done to what
others have done. It's just probably not even close. The
guy he's constructed two Super Bowl championship teams from scratch.

(01:59:44):
That just doesn't happen. Two different quarterbacks, two different head coaches,
two different coaching staffs. Is the fourth two different running.
Who are the guys ahead of them?

Speaker 3 (01:59:54):
Jerry Jones, I kind of count him, but yes, Mike
Brown Cincinnati, Okay, lois.

Speaker 5 (02:00:00):
In New Orleans, and then Nicky Lewis been in that
long two thousand and two.

Speaker 1 (02:00:04):
Wow? And who else?

Speaker 5 (02:00:05):
John Schneider fourth, Wow?

Speaker 1 (02:00:08):
How long Cincinnati game is that?

Speaker 6 (02:00:10):
Brown?

Speaker 5 (02:00:10):
Yeah, nineteen ninety one.

Speaker 1 (02:00:13):
Oh well, there's ownership involved there, I think too.

Speaker 5 (02:00:15):
Yeah, it's probably a little crossover similar to Jay Jones.

Speaker 4 (02:00:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (02:00:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (02:00:17):
My favorite thing about John Schneider I had run Wolf
on the air way back when when John Schneider got hired,
and he told me the story about him being like
thirteen years old riding his bike up to the Packers facility,
and I just like, this is who we're getting.

Speaker 5 (02:00:33):
And then you know, John, we.

Speaker 4 (02:00:34):
See him, we you know he's he's a friend, he's
a cool guy and he's so smart.

Speaker 1 (02:00:40):
At the same time, he's about the most normal guy
that's is high up in sports.

Speaker 5 (02:00:43):
I would position there is. Yes, he's he's about as
normal as a game.

Speaker 4 (02:00:48):
But that's how driven he was to be in the industry.
He probably knew he wasn't going to play football. He
wanted to be a part of it.

Speaker 1 (02:00:54):
Oh, exactly all right, we'll take a break. Dave Softy
Mallor is here. Ladies and gentlemen. I know you're excited
he'll join us next. I forgot to mention in the

(02:01:15):
headlines cam makers released. I know, big news, big news
here in Seattle. Damn, it's those your favorite cam makers.
Favorite cam maker's moment as a ram or a sea Yeah,
really it's a seahawk. I have no idea he didn't
have one carry.

Speaker 12 (02:01:28):
So my favorite cam aker's moment was when there was
a chance that maybe he would get some playing time,
before they draft the Jadarim Price and before they signed Emanuel.

Speaker 5 (02:01:40):
Wilson, when he was a part of the running back room.

Speaker 1 (02:01:43):
Yes, and thankfully, thankfully that won't be an issue along
the way.

Speaker 12 (02:01:47):
Yeah, well, I don't know. How do you feel now?
How do you feel now on a Monday morning about
that running back round?

Speaker 4 (02:01:52):
Well?

Speaker 1 (02:01:52):
I feel a lot better.

Speaker 2 (02:01:53):
Good.

Speaker 1 (02:01:53):
I think I heard somebody was we were talking. The
running back room was bottom third in the league beforehand?
What is it now?

Speaker 12 (02:02:00):
I would say it was like bottom eighth in the NFL,
bottom tenth in the NFL.

Speaker 1 (02:02:03):
Okay, so what is it now?

Speaker 12 (02:02:05):
You know, mediocre? Potentially put it right there in the middle, right,
you know, I mean, you got a guy this look
by all accounts, you got a guy who, by NFL
draft standards, is the second best running back in the draft,
behind his teammate Jeremiah Love. And we got some stats,
some numbers, We got some Dwayne's stats. Remember remember Dwayne's
stats used to be played by play with Reggie Jackson

(02:02:27):
ESPN in baseball. They'll ever tell you my favorite Reggie
Jackson story away, I never told me about what his
favorite Reggie. So, back in the day, we used to
have that set up behind home plate at the Kingdome.
Right there was that area behind the home plate with
the glass or whatever. I don't know if people really
realized that there was an actual like room back there.

(02:02:47):
And I don't know who sat there, the guy with
a jugs gun or whatever, blah blah blah. So we
used to have a setup back there. It was a
door that would open up and we'd go in there
and we had a we call it a dry pair,
and he'd run back to the studio.

Speaker 5 (02:03:00):
And it was always hot to do interviews, right, and
I would just you.

Speaker 12 (02:03:03):
Know, go grab somebody and put them on the air
with Mike Gastono or graz Or whoever was doing the interview.
And I remember one day, somehow someway we had Dwayne
Stats and Reggie Jackson on the air together. They were
in town doing an ESPN national broadcast of a Mariner game.

Speaker 5 (02:03:18):
I think it was ESPN. It may have been a
different network, but whatever, not relevant.

Speaker 12 (02:03:22):
And so during the interview, Reggie just decides, you know what,
I don't want to do this anymore, just put his
headphones down, walked away mid question. Just done, just done,
I'm just done. No nothing, guys. I think Gas was
in the middle of asking a question and Reggie is like,
and I want to just say, I'm gonna go. Just
put its headphones you walked away. I think I had

(02:03:45):
to grab the headphones.

Speaker 5 (02:03:46):
And say bike he thought here anymore? He left, Okay,
then well we'll just move on.

Speaker 9 (02:03:52):
I don't know.

Speaker 12 (02:03:53):
It was something along those lines, but it's funny how
just little moments like that you remember. I think when
you have ad D you pretty much remember what you
want to remember, remember what you were engaged in, and
when you're not engaged in a lot of stuff, you
don't remember a lot of stuff. I think that's kind
of how it goes.

Speaker 1 (02:04:11):
Was that where you were going to bring Griffy back
with the dry pairlin, but when he was McGuire, McGuire, well,
what was the griff you want?

Speaker 12 (02:04:17):
Griffy was when I was bringing McGuire back and he
ruined the whole interview for me because he said, he said,
don't go for people that don't know this is a
great start. So I grew up a big Mark McGuire fan. Gigantic.
I was fourteen years old in eighty seven when he
had thirty three home runs at the All Star Break
and he was the Rookie of the Year. And that
was right back when baseball cards were like really like

(02:04:39):
just taking off again, going going bananas. The eighty seven
top set, you know, his rookie card was in that
people were buying packs of tops baseball cards just to
get McGuire's rookie And then we found out well, actually
he had an Olympic rookie card that came out in
eighty five that was worth more money. But whatever, beside
the point, I digress. The point is I was a

(02:05:01):
huge McGuire fan. So when I got this job in
ninety four and started working here. One of my goals
was to meet Mark McGuire. Schmuck, I want to interview
Mark McGuire. So the Cardinals came to town for I
think it was either a one or a two game
exhibition series at Safego Field before the season started.

Speaker 1 (02:05:25):
Okay, and he was right.

Speaker 12 (02:05:27):
He was in town and I grabbed him for an interview.
He couldn't have been nicer. I mean, honestly, like I
had my old Moran's tape deck. The thing broke halfway
through the interview. I went back and I asked him, Hey,
can we finish this? And he says, no problem, So
we finished the interview, which a lot of guys would say,
go f yourself.

Speaker 5 (02:05:43):
He didn't do that.

Speaker 12 (02:05:44):
So bottom line is, before that happened, he was with
the A's. Obviously they're in town at the Kingdom. I
go to McGuire. I introduced myself. There was a personal
connection like his aunt had worked with my dad in
Seattle or whatever. So I dropped that line on him,
and you know, eventually he agrees to come on the
ear and he's walking over from then the first base

(02:06:05):
dugout to our little spot. Griffy sees them intercepts him
and says, oh, you don't want to do that, man,
you don't want to go on with those guys. He'll
put you on with collars and rip you and all
kinds of stuff. Just completely full of it, right and
so big Mac not kind of I guess understanding how
big a deal it was to us, Like, well, if

(02:06:26):
the kid says I shouldn't do it, I'm not doing it.
Turned around, walked away. So I got nose to nose,
face to face with like the reigning American League MVP,
yelling at him, bitching at him. He's bitching at me,
and it was nasty. I mean, I'm twenty four, twenty
five years old.

Speaker 4 (02:06:45):
How old was he?

Speaker 12 (02:06:46):
Oh god, he was in his late twenties. He's almost
the same age as me, mid to late twenties. And
he's ripping me a new one, Like what am I
supposed to do? I mean, I'm just I've been in
the business for a couple of years and he's a
americanly MVP ripping me in.

Speaker 2 (02:07:00):
You want.

Speaker 12 (02:07:01):
Because I questioned him, questioned him, you know, and we
we we kind of made up. I mean, it's fine,
I'm not He still is my favorite player of all time.

Speaker 1 (02:07:10):
Right, right, right.

Speaker 5 (02:07:10):
I love the guy. He's sensitive, Yeah he is.

Speaker 12 (02:07:12):
Well I was too, right, But anyway, the point is
I was pissed at him for blowing the interview up,
putting the kaibosh on it. He didn't like me calling
him out, and that led to this big to do.
So imagine seeing that now on social media, because.

Speaker 5 (02:07:25):
Are you kidding me?

Speaker 1 (02:07:25):
Because back then it would have flown on the radar
exactly then, like there have been ten people in the
dugout with their filming going.

Speaker 5 (02:07:31):
The only reason people know about it is because I
tell the story.

Speaker 12 (02:07:34):
I mean, there were no there's no social media, there
were no video cameras back down on people's phones.

Speaker 5 (02:07:39):
Amazing.

Speaker 1 (02:07:40):
Yeah, yeah, today, Yeah, there would have been Dimmish would
have posted out a bjay. You know, it would have
been gigantic with this. I can't believe that, believe them.

Speaker 5 (02:07:47):
Yeah, I mean, but now with the age of fifty two,
if that happened, I tell the guy to go screw himself,
you know whatever. So anyway, I don't know how we
got on that time, but here we are.

Speaker 1 (02:07:56):
Here we are story. He was starting with Reggie the
Monday after the Dreams with or anything. Well, I mean
I thought you. I saw a little tweet from the
folks at King five. You said, don't ever try to
doubt John.

Speaker 6 (02:08:08):
That's right.

Speaker 12 (02:08:08):
Why would you be four bastard that now decides to
go after John Schneider and say, because you notice now,
like everybody just oh, the Seahawks draft A plus.

Speaker 5 (02:08:18):
Yeah, they draft I don't know, but it's an A plus.

Speaker 1 (02:08:21):
It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter the guy was great.
It's John.

Speaker 12 (02:08:26):
So well turning four picks into eight, you know, without
having to dip in the next year's draft.

Speaker 1 (02:08:29):
Capital, right, turning four picks without you without trading out
of the first round.

Speaker 2 (02:08:33):
That's right.

Speaker 1 (02:08:33):
That's the remarkable thing. The second round or the second,
or the second.

Speaker 5 (02:08:37):
Or the third or the third round they kept there.

Speaker 12 (02:08:39):
They turned a fourth round or sixth round is a
fourth or sixth round, the four fourth round draft pick
because they had the fourth round next year, fourth next
year next right then, But then they took the other
pick and they turned that into five extra picks.

Speaker 1 (02:08:54):
It's crazy, nuts, It's yeah, don't trying to a trying
to predict what I I mean, we're all fools trying
to predict what he's well. They don't draft out, they'll
trade out of thirty two.

Speaker 12 (02:09:03):
They're just doing with four picks to Darian Price was
pretty I mean, that obviously had happened, so it's easy
now to say it, but it felt like a pretty
easy call. Kind of fell in your Your running back
room is a disaster. He's the best guy available. It
might be a little bit of a reach, but not
a crazy reach. Just go get it again, I'm gonna
be don't overthink it. I think because of what we

(02:09:24):
saw with the running back, the next running back didn't
go forever, right, it was like a long time before this,
When was the last time the top two running backs
in a draft were taken from the same school.

Speaker 1 (02:09:35):
It's never happened, and both in the first round never happened, right, Well,
I don't know unless Craig James and Dickerson maybe from SMU,
that's right, SMU. Well, the thing the NFL, the NFL
is in a thing out on Friday. It's I think
the first time ever that to two running backs. What
was the sort of two running backs first round? Never happened?
Two running backs in the same draft, for the first

(02:09:56):
running backs from the same school in the first round.

Speaker 12 (02:09:59):
It's like it's never but those were the first two
geyst taken and then the gap between him and the
second guy or the thirty yight sorry, pretty big, yeah significant,
Well live at Live at five because Kruger's on at four. Okay,
so we're we're switching him live at Fiveylin's live at five,
and Krueger is going to be giving us uh more

(02:10:19):
at four today on the radio show, I'm talking baseball
before the MS and twins, and we'll obviously talk a
lot of draft today. So Mike Denbrock, a good friend
of ours, uh, formerly of the Tyrone Willingham led Husky
twenty eighteen. We try and kind of ignore that, try
not to bring out it wasn't Mike's fault. He is
the current offensive coordinator at Notre Dame and he'll join
us at three twenty on.

Speaker 1 (02:10:40):
The radio gone on the Bigger and Better Things.

Speaker 5 (02:10:41):
That's right, Sonny Diykes.

Speaker 12 (02:10:42):
By the way, tomorrow on the show, to the head
coach at TCU, Wow, talk about Bud Clark.

Speaker 1 (02:10:47):
Bud Clark, look at Jackson doing world, Look at Jackson
doing work. Huh, phenomenal job by Jackson, boy Jackson. Well, well,
letting go Jackson let me go, Jackson, all right, see
you for the mild mannered and marginally object actionable e Inverness.
This is paddle Day, saying so long everyone

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