Furness Show 4-9: Bobby Casper, Eno Sarris, Steve Palazzolo

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Okay, here we go along the way. We have a
lot going on. We're gonna check in. Guess why is today?
Bobby Casper from Augusta National. In just a couple of seconds,
he's in the media center so he can have his
phone on him. And if you haven't heard the story
about what happens if you get caught with a phone
at Augusta National, We'll get him to tell that. It's sensational,
like it is a no phone zone. I think it

(00:22):
would it be liberating or it would be stressful? That's
a good question to ask little a nonsports question today.
Four nine, four or five to one. If you had
no phone for three or four hours, you were prevented
and prohibited from using your phone for a few hours,
would it be liberating or would you just be stressed
out beyond belief? Four nine, four or five one.

Speaker 2 (00:44):
I've been to comedy shows where they do that. They
give you a little like prison purse for your phone.

Speaker 1 (00:49):
Yeah, so it is it good or bad?

Speaker 3 (00:51):
It's great because you immerse yourself in the event.

Speaker 1 (00:54):
Okay, yes, you don't stress out? No, I definitely stress out. Andrews,
would you stress out without a phone for four hours?

Speaker 4 (01:00):
If I knew where it was, Like, as long as
I know where it was, no, I would not.

Speaker 1 (01:03):
Okay, yeah, I think you yeah, it would be I
used to term liberate it. Would it be kind of
like hey, yeah, kind of nice.

Speaker 4 (01:11):
Yeah, like if I know I'm not allowed to, I
know it's there for an emergency for whatever reason or
anything like that.

Speaker 5 (01:16):
Right, Yeah, yeah, I like it.

Speaker 1 (01:17):
I like it all right, So I mean now you
can't do that anymore as of about a month and
a half ago. Ye, your no phone zone is not
going to happen anymore. I Am just used to work
on a show called the Phone Zone or something.

Speaker 3 (01:29):
I did, and it was spelled with an F.

Speaker 1 (01:32):
Of course it was all right anyway four four or
five one, because I think it's a cool story we'll have.
We'll let Bobby tell you about that. Of the masters.
If they somebody just took your phone once you can't
use this, I think i'd stress out a little bit.
I don't think, but I think.

Speaker 3 (01:45):
You need to like kind of like d Mountain dense
about it.

Speaker 1 (01:49):
I got a new phone recently, Oh yeah you did,
and it got They didn't transfer stuff over, so there
was like forty eight hours where I just had a phone,
like nothing, no app saw on it. Nothing nice. It
was calls, calls and text.

Speaker 6 (02:03):
Was that's it. That was it.

Speaker 3 (02:04):
That's amazing.

Speaker 1 (02:05):
And it was social. I'll be honest with you, that
was pretty cool. That was really cool. Now I feel
like I'm like yesterday, I like not having a phone,
and I would have missed stuff Like Ron Francis. We
found out like an hour after we went off the
air he got he's out mutual decision. We're gonna get
in that in second.

Speaker 7 (02:20):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (02:20):
You know, Sarah's bought um of the hour. And we'll
talk to him about what's going on with the baseball
team here. Should we be worried or not. Last week
he told us about swin bat speed and all that stuff.
We'll see if that's still a thing.

Speaker 8 (02:29):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (02:29):
And then coming up to two o'clock today, we'll check in
Steve Palozolo little NFL Draft talk conversation. We'll talk like
we did yesterday with Cosell about edge rushers. We'll get
that with Steve because I think that's a big part
of what we're doing. Okay four nine four five one
four five four five one. Where are we get to? Okay?

(02:51):
I want to get to this before we get to
to Bobby Casper just a couple of minutes. So yesterday
find out I'm out literally on a golf course, first
time of the year. He got to play league play.
Here we go, We're gonna do this, be on a course,
play some golf. All of a sudden, somebody comes up
and goes, hey, Ron francisc got fired. I'm like, what,
Ron frances got fired? Yeah, Ron Francis got fired.

Speaker 3 (03:10):
I'm like, he will step down?

Speaker 1 (03:12):
Yeah, well, but it was That's what I had no
idea going to find out. That was the announcement. Toddlight
Wickie met with the media this morning. One of the
things they talked about, and we'll play more of this
coming up at one forty five in the Daily Power
Play this independent review thing, which I'm trying to wrap
my arms around. We're gonna have Todd on our pregame

(03:33):
show on TV tonight at six thirty if you want
to tune in for that.

Speaker 6 (03:36):
I don't.

Speaker 1 (03:37):
It's an independent review, but it's done by the current
GM so I'm a little confused by that. And we'll
hear some sound I think Aaron Levine kind of asked
that question today from Fox thirteen. But let's just be honest.
What's going on? If and I and Todd I'll tell
you this in a second, and Andrews, you and I
go round around, and everyone else on our little hockey
chackle round around. I think we all agree upon one thing.

(03:59):
Where this team is right now through five years is
just not acceptable. Fans deserve better. It's as simple as that.
They deserve a better product, a more competitive product. They
deserve to see something better at Climate Plagerina than they
have seen now. They were in it going into the
Olympic break, and they just a death spiral after that
for whatever reason. And that's a Lane Lambert question end

(04:21):
of the year. But it just has gone south in
a hurry. Here's Todd Lwiki today talking about where this
franchise is and where it needs to go.

Speaker 9 (04:31):
Todd, you mentioned the independent audit this one.

Speaker 1 (04:34):
We're gonna get this later. We get this later. Sorry,
I want to get that the one you cut Andrews
if I could, Yeah, yeah, we'll get to that later.
Do you have that cut from him? Okay, here we go.

Speaker 10 (04:41):
We have a hell of a lot of work to
do here. We want this to be a prolific off season.
I think we change. You can do things differently that
you perhaps otherwise wouldn't have done differently. And I think
there's things that we can do differently to improve our
hand here do it with him. We've got a lot

(05:02):
of smart people with us on this journey, and we're
going to cut measure twice and cut once there. But
we are going to improve things, and we are going
to push and we're going to make this a better
place for players to play and for families to live.
And we've got a lot of ambition.

Speaker 1 (05:23):
Save that for me for offseason, for next year, save
that archive that have that at they're ready. One hundred
percent what Todd said is true. One hundred percent what
he said is true. I like the fact that there
are fans that are pissed off. I think that's a
good thing. Now there's different levels of being mad. There's

(05:45):
Vancouver Canuck fan mad, there's Toronto Maple Lee fan mad,
There's Mariner fan mad, and there's krack and fan mad.
Crack and fans I think are just kind of on
the verge of like, why why are we bothering? The
team is not exciting, they don't have a star and
just said about the off season's got to be aggressive. Okay,
they kind of said that last year, so now you've

(06:05):
got to prove it this offseason. You can't blame Ron Francis,
you can't do anything else. This is this is an
incredibly important offseason and being aggressive and getting after it.
What we demand that the Mariners do and have frankly
done the last couple of years, what we expect from
We don't have to demand that, what we expect the

(06:26):
Seahawks to do, and they do. That's what the hockey
team has to do next as well. It's as simple
as that. We'll get more of that coming up at
one forty five. We have a little Master's music. Ohlet
me some Master's music, baby, Oh, the greatest sound in
the world.

Speaker 6 (06:40):
Now.

Speaker 3 (06:40):
It is a tradition. It's kind of like anything, you know.

Speaker 1 (06:42):
It's the good thing about the Master's music. It's kind
of like we go from March madness music and what
perish on tomorrow. I believe for our final visits, we
go from that little rift of the of that. Yeah,
and then you go from March madness like to this
one week later.

Speaker 3 (06:56):
It just sounds like it sounds like our.

Speaker 1 (07:01):
Guy, Bobby Casper. He is at Augusta National. His dad
was the Masters champion, Billy Casper, in nineteen seventy, so
Bobby goes back every year. He knows the course well
and knows the terment well. Real Golf Radio. You can
hear it on the iHeartRadio app. He's part of the
iHeart family and he joins us right now from Augusta National.
Gorgeous Augusta National. Bobby, how you doing.

Speaker 11 (07:22):
I'm doing great, Ian Good to be on with.

Speaker 1 (07:24):
You, but it's great to hear your voice again. It
must be a golf season and major season. We have
Bobby Casper hunt from Real Golf Radio, and this is
your favorite place, I do believe, correct.

Speaker 11 (07:34):
Yeah, no doubt about it. With a father that won
here in nineteen seventy and the opportunity to come back
every year after year and be in the media building,
it's pretty amazing. Yep.

Speaker 1 (07:48):
Just for golf fans watching this week all the way.
I mean, the scores are changing by the second, so
we'll touch in on a couple guys, but by the
time we talk about it, it might even be changed again.
But let's just talk in general terms. Conditions, course conditions,
weather for the next few days. It sounds like it
is not just ideal but near perfect, is that right?

Speaker 11 (08:09):
Yeah, you know, we haven't had any weather as far
as rain or any heavy rain since probably Saturday, kind
of later in the day, and then Sunday a little
bit of missed and that kind of thing. But it's
been perfect every day since then, about about low to
mid seventies today, expected to be mid to high seventies tomorrow,

(08:35):
and then on Saturday and Sunday it's supposed to be
like eighty three eighty four degrees. And so this is
the first time in fifteen years that we haven't had
any weather in the forecast during the Master's tournament tournament days,
and so it's going to be pretty interesting to see
how it all comes about.

Speaker 1 (08:53):
What is this course we've watched over the years, It
feels like lately the last few years, like you said,
there's been some rain, there's been some you know, some moisture,
so it does soften up. So this thing is going
to be about as as dry and crispy and fast
as we've seen it. What does that mean for the
players of the next four days?

Speaker 11 (09:08):
See, and I loved you said crispy because that's the
word I was thinking. Yeah, it's you know, the golf
course is going to get faster as far as off
the tee and being able to hit the ball down
the fairway. It's also going to get firmer on the greens.
And if you want to keep scores in check, fast,
firm greens is the biggest determining factor to keeping scores

(09:32):
in checks. So I expect by you know, the middle
two rounds, you're going to see scores really really kind
of tighten up, and you know, sixty nine sixty eight
is going to be a really really good score. And
then by the time we get to Sunday, they'll they'll
and the back nine they'll they'll let the stoppers out
a little bit and let the guys shoot at it

(09:52):
to see who comes out the winner. So that that's
the way the golf course plays, that's the way they
like it, and it it all depends on where the
flag and pin placements are as to whether guys can
get the ball close to the hole and can make
making up birdies.

Speaker 1 (10:07):
We were seeing a lot of red numbers early, a
lot of guys under par. Sam Burns was the early
clubhouse leader at five under. We went one of the
first guys out this morning. Rory's out to a four
hunder start early role Sheingston said. Early, he's on the
back nine. He's on I think fifteen is we you
and I talk right now, so that'll change in a minute.
But you know, Rory's having a good start. I mean,
Scotty Scheffler comes out. He's three under through three and

(10:28):
he's still on the golf golf course as we speak
right now. Looks like he's humming along as well. You
kind of touched on. Let me go back to that.
What kind of scores are you expecting?

Speaker 11 (10:37):
Well, I expect, you know, I don't expect anybody to
get much lowered in about five or six under par today.
You know, Patrick Reid, he was the guy. He was
the guy that kind of set the tone. He birdied
the first hole and then eagled the third hole or
the second hole, and eagled the eighth hole, both the
par fives on the front nine, and he ended up
you know, he's ending, he's as we speak, he's about

(10:59):
three under part with two holes to play. So but
there are some good scores out there. Guys are figuring
it out. It seems like the guys in the afternoon
have have watched these guys in the morning and have
settled down a little bit because the scores are looking
a little better in the afternoon.

Speaker 1 (11:17):
It is Bobby Casper Real Golf Radio joining us here
on the Beacon Plumbing hotline. When this course is as dry,
I guess as it's gonna be, How does it make
it easier or is it harder for these players? Because
I've heard guys say I think it was. I think
I even heard Rory talking about it yesterday and some
others saying, hey, that we want it that way, we

(11:37):
want it fast. It feels like this is a kind
of course man if it's if the ball's roll, and
that would be terrifying.

Speaker 11 (11:43):
Yeah, well, you know the thing they can They can
pretty much play everything from the front of the green
back to the flag because you what you do when
when conditions get firm, is you allowed the ball to bounce.
You know, with your wedges you're going to be able
to spin it a little bit more. But any longer

(12:06):
middle iron shots into greens, the ball is going to
bounce a little bit before it starts to grip. So guys,
guys are really really good about figuring that out and
getting that bounce correct. Now, when you get really low scores,
it's when there's a lot of moisture in the grass,
especially on the greens, and guys are able to just
fire away and hit it right at the flag. So

(12:28):
I expect it to be, you know, somewhere around you
look at five under par leading currently with Sam Burns.
I expect it to be when it's all said and done,
somewhere between that five under par and ten under par
score that's probably going to win this golf tournament.

Speaker 1 (12:45):
Bobby Casper joining us. Bobby, just the the interesting trinket
that we have here in our in our world with
with the masters, the no cell phone policy. I think
as somebody got kicked off of course today it might
have been like Mark hel Koveci, a former made yesterday, Yeah, yesterday,
yeah yeah. Tell people how how unique this is and
how that phone policy works. We live in a world

(13:06):
now nobody wants to put their phone down ever, So
tell people how this actually works.

Speaker 6 (13:10):
Right.

Speaker 11 (13:11):
Well, you know, the interesting thing about it, and a
lot of the players even comment about it, is that
when the phones are out of play and people can't
look at them all of a sudden, their eyes are
up and they're looking and they're seeing this beautiful golf course.
They're they're creating relationships, talking to people all that kind
of thing, which is which is really really cool in

(13:32):
today's world. You know, if you show up here at
Augusta and you've got a phone on you and it
comes out of your pocket, or you know, the security
sees you, or or the you know, the volunteers, somebody
sees you, they're they're going to take take you and
boot you right off the golf course because they do
not want that out and about at all. And that's

(13:55):
what happened to Mark cal Qubec. Yeah, he's an honorary
invite when the British Open, and being an honorary invitee,
you get to come to the Masters. Anybody that's won
any of the major championships, any of the big national
amateur championships, become honorary invitees. And and unfortunately he had
his phone with him and you know, a Pinkerton or

(14:18):
you know somebody security person saw and they ushered him
off the course and it's unfortunate. Yeah, do you.

Speaker 1 (14:25):
Check your phone when you get to the course, or
you just I mean, because maybe not having a phone
is a challenge for people. I mean, you're trying to
you know.

Speaker 11 (14:32):
It is, so yeah, how does that work?

Speaker 8 (14:34):
Well?

Speaker 11 (14:35):
A lot of people leave it in their leave it
in their car or their vehicle when they when they park.
There is an area where you can check it. You
can check stuff and if for some reason you forget
and you walk in before you go through the gates
and you remember you have it, you can check it.

(14:55):
As far as the media is concerned, we can have
it here in the media building, but we we can't
take it outside of the media building when we go
out on the golf course. So people understand it. People
understand it. They can't run on the golf course. People
understand that they can't have the you know, the phones
on the golf course. There are specific rules here at Augusta,

(15:17):
and and because of the event and a lot of
people not having an opportunity to come year after year
after year, they respect everything about the rules and that
kind of thing and they bite by him.

Speaker 1 (15:30):
I love it. I absolutely love it. Before they go, Bobby,
we talk about this every year. This is one of
those this tournament, maybe more so even than the other
three majors, even maybe more so than the so called
fifth in the players. This is where the kind of
the cream rises to the top. Yes, Scotty obviously is
a guy. I mean he is wild with Scotty right,
wins a tournament to start the season, has a couple

(15:51):
of finishes in the twenties as a kid, kind of
away for a little bit and he comes out just
flying out of the gate today and away we go.
But I assume, like always with this tournament, Bobby Casper,
Real golf Rado, you assume it to be probably the
big names at the top of the leader board. Will
we get to Sunday.

Speaker 11 (16:08):
You know, it's interesting. I think I can't remember how
many in a row, but you know you've got to
be in the top twenty after the first round to
that's where the winners come from, top ten after the
first round, something like that. And so you know, guys
are getting themselves into position, Guys that are first timers,

(16:30):
guys that are that have won but aren't known real well.
They have a tough time as it gets to later
on in the event. A guy like Scotti Scheffler, he's
won twice in what six starts. This could be three
times in seven starts, which beats Jack Nicholas and Arnold

(16:51):
Palmer and Tiger Woods, who won their third in their
eighth start. So yeah, the guys that are the best
players in the world, the elite players in the world,
the top top ten, top twenty players in the world,
top twenty five players in the world, all have a
really really good go at this if they get off

(17:11):
to a good start.

Speaker 1 (17:12):
Bobby, great stuff, best best podcast golf show out there
in my bund You guys, You and Brian Taylor have
been at it forever.

Speaker 11 (17:20):
Yeah, I want to say twenty two years now twenty.

Speaker 1 (17:23):
I was gonna say twenty it would be twenty seven, yeah,
cause me it was twenty two thousand, right, twenty nineteen
ninety nine somewhere in there.

Speaker 6 (17:29):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (17:29):
For Bobby and I knew each other back in the
Salt Lake days years ago. And congratulate to have that
kind of success. You guys are at the forefront of
these types of things, and I love seeing the success
you're having. Tell people how they can listen to you guys.

Speaker 11 (17:40):
Yeah, Real golfradio dot com. You can hear us on
all the podcaster sites to Real Golf Radio or Real
golf and yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (17:50):
Part of the iheartsht work, part of the iHeart network.

Speaker 11 (17:52):
I believe you're exactly right.

Speaker 1 (17:54):
Go ahead listen, mark that up in your iHeartRadio app.
Folks here as well. Bobby will check in again. We'll maybe, hey,
try to squeeze in tomorrow. We'll see how it's going.
Your schedule, our schedule. If not, we'll talk the next
major coming up, which think is the PGA Championship. My friend,
great stuff, Thank.

Speaker 11 (18:07):
You, thanks Ian, good to be on with you.

Speaker 1 (18:10):
Great to hear your voice. That's Bobby Casper. We'll get
a master's update coming up right now, and then Ino
Sarah's talking all things baseball.

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Speaker 1 (18:58):
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Fantastic Cavern is the best ballpark for your period. End
of story. Not even here for an argument. You know
sarahs joins us right now. Once he tries it, he'll
agree with me. How are you, sir?

Speaker 7 (19:15):
Doing great? Doing great?

Speaker 1 (19:17):
You did a podcast that Mariner fans may or may
not want to listen to. Oh, the greatest defense or
the best defensive game ever?

Speaker 8 (19:28):
You don't.

Speaker 1 (19:28):
I don't even have to tell anders just slumped in.
I don't have to tell people who it was or
when it was andw just guess anyway.

Speaker 4 (19:35):
And it's probably the guy who had I think minus
twelve outs above average last year.

Speaker 1 (19:41):
In Joe Adele you know you're our guy, explained how
the hell that happened?

Speaker 7 (19:48):
I mean the first two and I'm not just saying
this to make y'all feel better, but the first two
were not as impressive as the last and the first two.
There's this sect of statistics where people say, well, those
two actually had like an eighty percent catch probability. He
just happened to be It just happened to look better

(20:09):
because he was next to the wall and he jumped
up and got it, and so it looked like he
robbed it. But in terms of how far he ran
and how hard the ball was hit, those two were
not as impressive. So at least I can pooh pooh
the first two catches.

Speaker 13 (20:23):
But the last line, I don't know. Man, he left
his seat, he landed because by there was one nothing game,
and oh man, I just felt so bad for JP
Crawford just looking down and being like I tied this.

Speaker 7 (20:37):
No, I didn't.

Speaker 1 (20:41):
Well, it's been that kind of year early on offensively
for Seattle, there's no doubt about that. I mean, they
sit there at four and nine, and you know it's
the proverbial it's early in baseball talk is.

Speaker 6 (20:51):
Going to go on.

Speaker 1 (20:51):
We talked the last week, you talked about, you know,
some swing speeds and batspeeding, stuff like that. I don't
know if you have in front of you, But has
that improved it all for Seattle? Because it is certainly
the offensive results of not.

Speaker 7 (21:02):
Yeah, it's not as it's not as drastic as it
once was. And you know, I did do some some
asking around. I asked Tom Tango, who's the head data
scientist for MLB, you know, if there is a weather
component to bat speed, and you know, there was some
back and forth, some different researchers talked about it. It

(21:25):
looks like there is a little bit of a weather component,
but it's only a really small one. It only affects
backbeat on the level of like twenty two miles an hour,
which is not usually what we care about. We care
about sort of single digits, you know. So that being said,
now most of the guys are close to their league averages,

(21:46):
and if there was a weather component, you know that's
going to go away over time. I would just say that,
like when you look at players across the league, you say, well,
it's not predictive that you know, first half a second
half splits. You know that that's that's not something we
use when we analyze players in terms of being predicted.

(22:08):
But I think at this point with Hulu Rodrigoz, it
just looks like he's the kind of player that needs
to lock in and in early seasons. One thing that
is true is that baseball players hitters swing less than
usual in the first month of the season, and they
swing more as they start identify pitches. So I think

(22:28):
the first couple of weeks, three weeks, it's getting your timing.
It's uh, seeing pitches, seeing pitches, seeing what they're trying
to do to you, and so, and also trying to
be good soldiers and like you know, you know, get
on base and and and manufacture runs, and so you
swing less. But I think Julios at his best when
he's being aggressive, he's getting the ball out in front,

(22:50):
he's not necessarily trying to go to the right field
on everything, and you know that usually takes some time
where he can be selectively aggressive in the right way.
And so I could I could see that maybe.

Speaker 8 (23:01):
Julio is just a cold weather.

Speaker 7 (23:03):
He's not that good in the early season, and he's
just gonna be a guy who's going to be white
hot in July and August and September.

Speaker 1 (23:10):
Damn good thing they signed him to the long term
deal when they did, then, because that guy be like,
I'm getting the hell out of here. It's not you know,
send me to California or Texas or Florida or someplace
where I don't have to deal with the cold weathers
start the season. Ino Sarah's joining us from the Athletic
the Athletic dot comrat to by Georgetown Brewing. Yeah, I mean,
of all these guys, and I'm just I'm gonna ask
you this until stuff turns around. But whether it be

(23:31):
I mean, Naylor seems to be the guy that let
me us ask you about because you just explained who
heal and and Cal has shown a little bit here
or there. But maybe Cal Naylor is there one of
those guys we should be worried about, or both those
guys like, hey man, it is early, just relaxed. It's
all good. Either one of those guys caused for concern

(23:53):
or we good at thirteen games in.

Speaker 7 (23:56):
You know, I just think that Cal's game is a
little bit of a high wire act because he gets
the ball out in front, further in front of the
plate than anybody else in baseball. And you know, right
now he's getting the ball thirty nine inches out in
front of the plate. The average is thirty, So you know,
he's the guy who's getting the ball way out in front,
and that's going to lead the whiffs when he does connect.

(24:19):
That's how you hit sixty homers, by the way, because
the average the ideal place to make contact for powers
thirty six inches. So he's right next to that right.
So I would just say that, you know, from the
left side, he's not quite where it was last year.
From the right side, he might be a little bit
far out in front. I'd say he's a kind of

(24:40):
a high wire act. In general. Naylor should be the
opposite though, because Naylor is a guy who makes a
lot of contact and he doesn't, you know, get the
ball super out in front. And you know, as we
look at his strikeout right as well within norms, we
look at his walk right within norms, and he's in
fact being pretty aggressive and swinging a lot. So I

(25:02):
would I would counsel him to kind of bring that in.
But otherwise I don't see anything big to be worried
about other than yeah, he's the one who other than
Reindeer ros Arena, those are the two that are down
most in bat speed.

Speaker 4 (25:16):
And as what's a stat again that we got earlier, Yeah,
our good friend Nathan Bishop told us that the Mariners
are zero to nine when they give up more than
one run, which.

Speaker 1 (25:27):
That seems problematic.

Speaker 8 (25:30):
I'm not.

Speaker 7 (25:31):
I'm not as guy is falling as because maybe because
I don't have to watch every single game and liven't
die with them. But I see some positives man, Like
you know, uh, Donic Canzone's bat speed is up again,
So that's three years in a row that bat speed
is up. He looks like a legitimate slugger to me,
m hm. Cole Young played approach is great. I think

(25:55):
he I think he'll walk more going forward. And the
power has been there and that was always was kind
of one of the questions was was the power there?
So I think in developing Cole Young and Dominic Canzone,
you're saying, okay, the two timelines thing that're like, you know,
developed the young guys while also signing older guys, Like
it looks like it's working. It should be one of

(26:15):
the best lineups, and you're waiting on the studs to
get going, and it's the studs have a long track record.
It's not the studs are going and we don't know
what we're doing five through nine in the lineup anymore.
That's old Mariners teams. Am I right, like this is
a different thing where the bottom looks fine and it's
the top that's missing. And the top they you know,

(26:37):
those names across the back of the jerseys. On some level, yeah,
I'm a little worried that Naylor's bats speed is down
and you're one of the deal. But you know last year,
for example, last year, Wan Soto's batspeed was down more
than anybody other than like two guys in the game.
I went on some stupid podcasts and I said, oh,

(26:59):
you know, once so is not going to hit forty
homers this year. His bat speed is down. And then well,
of course he hit forty homers and they broadcast that
clip and I had to I had to wear it.
So my way of my new way of analyzing early
season bad speed is it's nice if you got it.
It's good if you're a young player and you're showing
me that you've got it, like can Zone. But I'm

(27:21):
not going to get overly heated that Naylor hasn't got
his bat up to speed yet. I'm going to give
him a couple more weeks because he's just a veteran.
He's done it before you can figure it out.

Speaker 1 (27:31):
I love the Gonzone stuff Canzone is seeing him develop
And I thought we saw glimpses of Cole Young with
some pop last year, and now we're seeing I'll wrap
it up with this, I don't think is the Houston
Astros come to town tomorrow? Is yourd on Alvarez? How's
his bat speed? Is it okay?

Speaker 8 (27:46):
This year?

Speaker 1 (27:46):
It seems just by looking at some row numbers they
might be okay.

Speaker 7 (27:49):
I don't think we need to look at it. I
think right now he's the best hitter in the league.
But super is is they lost Hunter Brown. So this
is this is when the Mariners need to score some runs.
Like this, this Astros team, they're not bringing their best
starters to this, so they need to score some runs
a series. That'll be the big difference.

Speaker 1 (28:08):
And as you can fact check me for our final
segment of two thirty, I believe the Murners used to
have or have had success against Hunter Brown. I think
they almost want to see him. Maybe I'm way wrong
on that. I don't know why that comes into my
mind a little bit right, But yeah, you'd rather not
see him. Yeah, it's too bad. All of us can't.
Can't too bad, Old Yard and can't get a little
out of shoulder something or something along the way because
I last year. Yeah, no, I know exactly.

Speaker 7 (28:31):
I mean the rest of the lineups not as scary anymore,
and just walk him. And then you're going up against
Arraghetti and Burrows and like they got to score some runs. Yeah,
he's got This is where they got to wake up.

Speaker 1 (28:41):
He's got thirteen run walks already in a five hundred OVP.
That seems seems that seems that seems good. It could
be I'm not the baseball expert here, you know you are,
but that seems good. He gets on one way or
the other. The walk seems to be the less of
the lesser of the two evils. Tell people about the podcast.
It's sensational. You called it a stupid podcast. I think
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with Trevor May today about tunneling. We had a whole
big thing about tunneling, and one of the fun things
was where a pitcher stands on the mound and how
they can change how hit or see what they do,

(29:26):
like what they're pitching, and like how they can best
make use of their arsenal depending on if they're on
the first base side or the third base side of
the mountain.

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general manager, Jason Bottroll. Kind of seems interesting if it's
going to be independent. Here's Aaron Levine asking Todd LWICKI
that question.

Speaker 9 (31:18):
You mentioned the independent audit. Well, Jason brings a different voice.
How much do you feel like this change actually represents
a change in terms of philosophy and scouting and analytics
or is that something that the audict is going to
come out with.

Speaker 10 (31:34):
I think we've got you know, my view is that
we're quite competent in most of the things we do.
We have excellent prospects in our system. Our team in
the American Hockey League has succeeded. We've had great runs
this year. We played some rough hockey there at the
end of the year, but we're covered nicely and it

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showed that the team had fire. But to tell you
the truth, and maybe this is just my way of rationalizing,
this adversity does bring us opportunity to ask hard questions
and to do things we otherwise wouldn't have done. And
if we just snuck into the playoffs, we'd have probably
played Colorado. Now we beat them once and that was

(32:16):
one of the most thrilling times in my career. But
what we want to build is not a team that
just sneaks into the playoffs. We think that what we
should be building here is a team that is a
perennial playoff team, and there's examples. We're playing a fine
team tonight that's had great success. George McPhee is an
old friend of mine and is a friend of Victor's,

(32:39):
and so there's role model organizations, and part of what
we're going to do is also look at those organizations.
We have a hell of a lot of work coming
up here. Trips are being canceled, vacations are being put off.
We have a hell of a lot of work to do.

Speaker 9 (32:53):
And at this point, do you anticipate Leane to be
head coach next year?

Speaker 10 (32:57):
Yeah, and I don't want to get into that, but
I think Lane is coached his ass off this year,
and I think that we owe a lot of people
better and we're going to try and provide better things
for him, better facilities, better systems. We're going to look
at travel, We're going to look at how we take
care of players families. So we're going to look at

(33:18):
how we take care of our players. We're looking at
our medical system. There's a lot that goes into winning
and building culture, and a little smelling salt has been
popped here.

Speaker 1 (33:28):
We're going to get this right Tyler WICKI listen. I
like what he's saying. Let's see what happens in the summer.
I think the thing that just we talk about often
amongst us. I'm looking at Andrew's like a little our
little hockey group and others and I have a couple
of those ethos that jump in all the time. You

(33:48):
need better players.

Speaker 5 (33:49):
Yeah they mentioned everything, but players there.

Speaker 1 (33:52):
Yeah, you just you need better hockey players. And not
to say that. I think this is where a GM
can show how good they are or how good he is.
You have draft capital, and you have salary cap space
to work with, assuming you're not gonna You're gonna let
a couple of the over the older guys walk. So

(34:15):
now this is this is where you great gms or
even really good gms build great teams. And they do
it in off seasons, which will begin a week from today,
by the way, the off season for Seattle. Game time tonight,
seven o'clock against Vegas six thirty. Pre game, make sure

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Speaker 1 (36:35):
All right, two o'clock hour. Here we go rolling along
and uh yes, our week we visit heading into the draft,
which is, by the way, two weeks from today. Will
beat the Virginia Mason Athletics Center Seahawks. We'll see what
they do right now, just four picks, as we've been
talking about, but we kind of feel like they'll do
more than that. Steve Palosolo joined us thirty thirteen. Check
the mic podcast. Let's talk some ed rushers today, Steve,

(36:55):
how are you doing great?

Speaker 6 (36:58):
Appreciate you having me back as allways.

Speaker 1 (37:00):
I love I love this time of the year. Let's talk.
Let's get to the edge rushers. I'm gonna do something
I've done with a couple guys. We've been talking about
the draft with because it feels like when I say
edge rushers, it used to be we talked about, you know,
defensive ends, right like, you know, in a four to three,
the two outside guys, those are your rushing guys. Maybe
you blitz a linebacker. But now guys are called edge rushers.

(37:21):
It could be technically an outside linebacker, it could be
a five to two depending on what the fronts look
like and all those types of things. When you and
Sam and the guys thirty thirteen are talking about edge rushers,
how how do you actually define what an edge rusher
is in today's NFL?

Speaker 15 (37:35):
Yeah, you're right, things have changed, especially the last ten
years or so. It used to be, you know, if
teams ran a four to three, they had two defensive ends.
If teams ran a three to four, you know, three
down linemen, four linebackers, it was their two outside linebackers
who are really like defensive ends.

Speaker 6 (37:51):
They were like pass rushers, and you'd.

Speaker 15 (37:52):
Always have to specify this guy's a three four outside
linebacker or this guy's a four to three defensive end.

Speaker 6 (37:58):
But now today's defense is because.

Speaker 15 (38:00):
They play so much, you know, nickel and dime and
sub package, there's far fewer of those you know bas looks,
and it's really the same job description. So edge rushers
are guys who are setting the edge in the run
game and rushing the passer more often than not. They're
they're not they're not dropping the coverage all that often.
They still will, but they're they're pass rushers first in

(38:23):
their you know, edge setting run defenders. And I think
you just had to lump in the old school three
four outside linebacker, the old school four to three defensive end,
and you have to put them all into one group.

Speaker 6 (38:32):
It's really one position.

Speaker 15 (38:33):
Some players might fit a little better in one scheme
than the other, but for the most part, they've got
the same role. And I think it got confusing back
in the day when you'd say, like if you said TJ.
Watt's a linebacker, because he's not a linebacker the same
way Ernest Jones is a linebacker. You know, Ernest Jones
is an inside linebacker.

Speaker 6 (38:51):
TJ. Watt is a pass rusher. So they're different.

Speaker 15 (38:54):
So when you lump them in as edge rushers, I
think it's a lot easier and more descriptive of what
they're doing.

Speaker 1 (38:58):
Safe to say, it's also kind of you're kind of
describing like scheme specific and teams specific and what what
they're looking for. I you know, it's funny like last
season with the Seahawks, they didn't have anybody that had
ten sacks. Their leading sacks guys were NUOSU who I
guess you would consider an edge rusher kind of what
you described set the edge, but it could be an
edge rusher. Leonard Williams and Byron Murphy are both guys

(39:20):
that play inside. D law DeMarcus Lawrence had six he's
on the outside, and then they had a bunch of
guys with two to two and a half that came
from all over the place. Like for Seattle specifically, when
they're looking at this particular draft class and edge rushers,
I would assume what they're looking for in a lot
of ways is scheme specific. Right, what they might be
looking for might be different than what some other teams

(39:40):
are looking for in terms of what they're doing. I'm
specifically even talking right now about Hey, they're trying to
replace boy A Mafe.

Speaker 6 (39:47):
Yeah, and look.

Speaker 15 (39:48):
There's there's schemes specific, and I think that can be
overblown sometimes. I think if if you tell me, hey,
this guy can win one on one and get to
the quarterback. There's no team that's saying, hey, I don't
need that guy doesn't fit my system. But there's definitely
some you know, certain non negotiables that teams have, like
this guy has to have certain length or certain size,
or certain bulk or certain ability to win a certain

(40:10):
way or hold up against the run. I mean, that's
what you're that's what you're looking at. But yeah, Seattle
specifically trying to replace some guy like boy A Mafe.
You might say, hey, there are specific things that Mike
McDonald wants, but he's got you know, power players like
Derek Hall. He's had more of a you know, burst
off the edge type of player like boy A Mafe.
We've seen the veteran DeMarcus Lawrence, who can kind of

(40:32):
do it all, and Wozu who's more of a hybrid
old school three four outside linebacker. So I don't know
if there's an exact prototype that he's looking for, but
you know, somebody that can hold up against the run.
But like any team, you know, you want somebody that
can get after the q QB and win. They're one
on ones.

Speaker 1 (40:46):
Steve Pelozola Check to Mike podcast a thirty third team
joining us brought to by Georgetown. Okay, I'm gonna not
worry about r Vel Reez and David Bailey. Those guys
be long gone by Seattle. By the time Seattle picks
Rubin Bain will be long gone as well Junior from Miami.
But I do want to talk about him because I
think he's interesting. Is you look through here, like arm length,
the measurements of these guys, and you have to go
all the way down to like Cayden Curry, who's thirty

(41:07):
and five eighths in terms of his length of his arms.
Ruben Bain thirty and seven eight. So we keep hearing
about how how explosive he can be and how different,
but he's got short arms. How much do you think
that's going to hurt ruben Bain.

Speaker 15 (41:20):
I think it's enough. I mean every building's going to
be talking about it. When you deal with outliers and
look outliers can be anything, right, it's anything that's extreme.
It could be like Arvel Reese is an outlier because
he's only played you know, about two hundred snaps or
three hundred snaps on the edge. If you're trying to
project him that's an outlier. That's not a lot of experience.
So you have to have those discussions.

Speaker 10 (41:38):
Baine.

Speaker 15 (41:39):
You have to have that discussion because most edge rushers
in the NFL have thirty three plus inch arms. This
is how you stay clean, keep you know, this is
how you set a hard edge, this is how you
it's just how you operate. And most players hit that threshold.
And once you're under thirty three inch arms, you're in
the thirty two category. You start to say, okay, is

(42:00):
that okay? And you know there are plenty of successful
players at thirty two and a half and what have you.
But Bain is thirty one or under. They did have
the combine measurement where most of the combine measurements have
been believed or not shorter than the pro day measurements
in the last two years.

Speaker 6 (42:17):
So figure out what that is. I don't know.

Speaker 15 (42:20):
But let's say he's even got thirty one inch arms.
It's an outlier. So it has to be discussed and
you say, okay, does this show up on film. He's
got a lot of power, he's got a good bend,
he's got pretty good get off.

Speaker 6 (42:30):
He wins as a pass rusher.

Speaker 15 (42:32):
But maybe against more experienced offensive tackles they can use,
you know, they can get their hands on him, lock
him up a little bit easier because he's got the
shorter arm. So that's why that discussion has to be
had in buildings, just because it's so different than what
almost every other players bring into the table.

Speaker 1 (42:49):
All right, let's talk about some guys that could fit Seattle,
not just in terms of what maybe they may or
may not fit what Mike McDonald's looking for. I think
you're right, Steve, we're not really sure what he might
be looking for, and alam with John Schneider for Mike
McDonald the draft, but just in terms of worse Seattle's
picking thirty second overall, maybe they'll trade down so you'd
get past Bayne. I think everyone else seems to be
maybe a tweet or a first or a second rounder.

(43:09):
So let's talk about some of those guys. Let's start
with Keldrick Falk from Auburn. Big dude, got some no
worries about his arm length. I don't think at thirty
five inches. So what about Kendrick Falk from Auburn.

Speaker 15 (43:23):
No, I mean he's close to the built in a
lab size, but built in a lab for like the
old school three four defensive end where he's really long,
bigger player, the guys that used to the Red Bryant's role,
you know, the five tech role that he used to
play in Seattle. That's what Falk's body type is. So
the big question for him. He's also pretty young. He's

(43:44):
only twenty one, and he's been an excellent run defender.
He uses that length and the size extremely well in
the run game. Auburn did actually move him up and
down the line of scrimmagell he'd line up on the edge,
he'd line up over guards on the interior or straight
up head up over tackles at times, and he was
successful and productive in the run game.

Speaker 6 (44:01):
He just wasn't a productive pass rusher.

Speaker 15 (44:03):
He was a more productive pass rusher in twenty twenty
four than he was last season. So anytime you're talking
about a first round edge defender, if the first thing
you ask is how well does you rush the passer?
And with Fulk it's it's a bit of a question mark.
It's underwhelming relative to other first round edge rushers, but
good football player, young, and he's a pretty good athlete
with good size to work with. So I think he's

(44:24):
a bit of a pass rush projection, but I think
a guy that you could get pretty good, you know,
two down run defense from so that that smells like
a late first early second round type of player. We'll
see where he goes in the first if a team
really wants to take a chance there. But I think
he's a good football player that has to develop better
from a pass rushing perspective because he's just not there.

Speaker 1 (44:42):
Yet and a true, a true young guy through year.
Junior did red shirt. So yeah, like you said, he's
a young guy, Let's go to the other end of
the spectrum, and that was Ruby Bainen. Junior's a Miami teammate,
a key Messidor is a six year senior. He's been
around for a long time, so you should you should
have plenty of tape on Mesador.

Speaker 15 (45:01):
What are we seeing on him? It's one of my
favorite things is Mezzador. I feel like Mezzador and Fulk
they have to get drafted back to back for the
differences of the youth of Falk. I mean, the reason
why people bring up youth is they say, well, what
will Keldrick Falk be in four years? And it's like, well,
what was a key Messador four years ago when he
was Falk's age or five years ago. So that's what's interesting.

(45:21):
Mezzador at twenty five years old, he'll be twenty six.
I think during the season he's he's really polished. He
can win inside outside, he was. I mean, if you
just watched Miami last year, it was number three, Mezzador,
number four, Ruben Bain and others creating havoc all over
the line of scrimmage, you know, both sides of the
line into inside outside. Mesador is just a really good
football player, but he peaked late. He did it at

(45:44):
twenty five. And then the age question, it comes up
a lot, and I think it's twofolds. The first thing is, yeah,
he might be, you know, thirty years old when you're
you know, figuring out a second contract. That's not the
biggest deal in the world, but it's not ideal. And
then the other part is you say, when you're watching
a twenty five year old play college football, how much
is he taking advantage of players who are younger.

Speaker 6 (46:02):
It's like when I go to when I'm.

Speaker 15 (46:03):
In rookie ball at twenty four ian and I'm dominating
a twenty four year old. The Brewers said, hey, you're
twenty four, you're facing nineteen year olds.

Speaker 6 (46:11):
That's not as impressive. We have to adjust for age.

Speaker 15 (46:14):
Baseball does that really well because of the minor league system,
and in football sometimes you have to do that when
a guy is dominating at an older age, you have
to factor that in. What did you see last year
on film? Wasn't a man amongst boys taking advantage of them?
And I think there's elements of that with Mezador. But
I think he's a really good football player. He'll step
in and be a good football player. He's a first
round player. But not every team wants to deal with

(46:37):
the twenty five year old question and in that second
contract deal, so it'll be interesting how teams handle that.

Speaker 1 (46:43):
It is T Palozzolo joining us here from the thirty
third team talking about edge rushers today for the Seattle
Seahawks and the draft coming up. A guy that I've
heard a lot about and I can't wait to hear
what your assessment is, what your thoughts are on this.
What you're hearing about this guy, Zion Young from Missouri
is it feels like one of those one of those
guys we have him every year in the draft. That

(47:04):
might be somewhat polarizing. Probably some will love him, some
may not even have him on the draft. But who
knows where this guy's going to be. But what do
you see from the edge rusher out of Missouri.

Speaker 15 (47:14):
He's getting a lot of hype right now. He had
a nice Senior Bowl. He's up to thirty eight on
the consensus board.

Speaker 6 (47:18):
Zion Young.

Speaker 15 (47:20):
My guest this morning on our check the Mic show
was John Ledyard and we went through edge rush rankings
this morning. He was not a big fan or has
not been a big fan of Zion Young, but I
know a lot of people are. He's got good size,
good length. You could see him use that length and
size in the run game. Doesn't always take on pollers
the way I would like to see, but he's got
all the tools to play the run.

Speaker 6 (47:39):
He is a pretty good pass rusher.

Speaker 15 (47:40):
He's another guy where you say, okay, he's had a
pretty good success rushing the passer. And again, when I
look at success rushing the passer, I'm not looking at
sack totals.

Speaker 6 (47:49):
I'm looking at how often do you win one on? Once?

Speaker 15 (47:51):
You know, how do you what type of move set
do you have, how do you win? I think he's
okay across the board. Would love to see a little
bit more power from youngest, especially given the length. I
think you see more of his power in the run game,
which is always interesting to me. So I think he
looks like a fringe first you know, first second round
type of player. But to your point, it'll be a
little bit of I have the beholder for him if

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teams like him enough in the first round, and you
know what happens with the second round, The players will
fall of the second round. It's like this guy doesn't
have enough first or enough length, or enough whatever it
may be. A lot of these edge rushers have that,
like I'd rather take them in the second round because
of some questions. And I think that's where I land
on Zion Young. I like him more as a second round.

Speaker 6 (48:33):
Type of player.

Speaker 1 (48:34):
Yeah, these are all guys I'm talking about are probably
late first or second round guys, which is perfect because's
where Seattle's going to be. I don't think we'll see
them moving up in the draft. TJ. Parker from Clemson
kind of falls in that as well, probably what late
first second somewhere in there.

Speaker 15 (48:48):
Yeah, I originally I was talking to people around the
Senior Bowl and the suggestion was maybe twenty to forty,
and I think it might go a little bit lower.
And Parker's like every Clemson Tiger last year little annoying
to me because they were I mean, Parker was projected
as a top ten pick. His teammate Peter Woods was
projected as a top ten pick. They had their entire

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offensive lineback, their top three receivers, a four year starter,
a quarterback, and.

Speaker 6 (49:12):
They all underachieved. Yeah, and I'm mad at all of
them for underachieved.

Speaker 1 (49:15):
So basically, is he the Kate Klubnick of DNS then
ed rushers might be.

Speaker 8 (49:21):
Yeah, they all.

Speaker 6 (49:22):
Peaked in twenty twenty four. They just all underwhelmed.

Speaker 15 (49:25):
They should have been the perfect CFP playoff, not even participant,
but they had a chance to win and they all underachieved.
So I think that's the question with Parker. He's not
really a dynamic athlete. I think he really wins well
with leverage and low pads, and he can use his length.
It just doesn't show up enough.

Speaker 6 (49:41):
You know.

Speaker 15 (49:41):
It's there's a difference when you're scouting, you're looking at
what can of guy do and you know PFF and
other production based analytical sites. They say how often do
you do it? And you want both right, you want
a little bit of Hey, this guy shows the ability
to do all the things you're looking for, and then
you ask, Okay, how often does he actually do it?
And how often just did not show up enough this

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year for TJ.

Speaker 6 (50:04):
Parker.

Speaker 15 (50:05):
I think that's why he's now all of a sudden
in the late first early second round conversation rather than
in the top ten where people thought he might be
going last summer.

Speaker 1 (50:11):
What do you like about his game when he is
playing well.

Speaker 15 (50:15):
Pad level, in length, I think he's he wins with leverage,
so you see, you know, the guys at the top,
like the David Baileies of the world, are gonna win
with burst and speed and quicks and I think Parker
just wins with leverage and pad level and just he's
overall a solid football player, but there's a there's some
dynamism missing there that you hope that if he just
had a little bit more there, then he could be

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a really good player.

Speaker 1 (50:36):
I've heard a lot about Steve Steve Balozola joining us
for thirty thirteen. Check the Mike Podcast I've heard a
lot of talk about Malachi Lawrence from UCF. Again, you know,
not at power five school necessarily, or at least in
one of the bigger programs, but it feels like he's
getting some traction. What do you see from Malachi Lawrence?

Speaker 15 (50:55):
He is he's now favored to go in the first round,
and he would be from a media perspective, more of
a I think the name showed up a little bit later.
He didn't go to the Senior Bowl. He went to
the Shrine Bowl. But you know what I was just
talking about with what was TJ. Parker missing? What was Keldric?
Malachi Lawrence has that the athleticism the first the bend.
It just looks twitchy and quick and explosive off the edge.

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The question for Lawrence is, Okay, he did it the UCF.
It's still the Big twelve right now. But he's got
about thirteen hundred snaps in his career. He's never played
more than four hundred and twenty snaps in a season.
He has one season of elite production. And when I
like to look at edge rushers, I think I think
college production does matter, especially for certain positions, but especially
for college pass rushers. I think if you can get

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after the quarterback in college across your career in you're
athletic enough, those are the guys that generally translate at
the next level. So Lawrence, the question is going to
be one year of production, a little bit inexperienced, but
he's got all the tool set and that's why I
think teams are looking at him at him in the
first round. John Lanyard, my guest earlier today, has him
as edge one. He's got him in the top tier.

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He loves him just because of the tools. So I
think that he looks like a top ten caliber player.
But it's not like he went out there and dominated
top competition over a three year period, because if he
did that, he'd be going top five. So he's got
the tools to look the feel. He's done it to
a point, but maybe not enough. But I think he
ends up going in the first round.

Speaker 1 (52:19):
Malachai Long so he could slip second round, but you
think he still goes first round.

Speaker 15 (52:24):
Yeah, I mean the betting markets have him going in
the first right now. Not that that's you know, set
in stone or anything like that, but I think when
teams are sitting there stacking their edge board and they're
saying Mesador is old, and Falk can't get after the
quarterback and Parker underwhelmed. Well, what about Lawrence because he's
got all the tools in the toolbox and he already
started the development curve last year at UCF. If we

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continue the development curve, he could look like, you know,
a top ten player in this draft if it continues
on that trajectory. So I think those are the conversations
happening in the draft room right now with Malachai Lawrence
and teams are going to say, in this wide open draft,
I think he's probably worth the first rounder.

Speaker 1 (52:59):
All right, let me get a we're we're kind of
I don't want to run out of time, but maybe
just kind of almost Paolozzolo's choice, someone that could go
second round like day two, that you like and you
kind of know what Mike McDonald wants to do. And
I'll just throw names out there. You pick one, Cashus
Howell from a and m R. Mason Thomas from Oklahoma,

(53:19):
Gabe Jacks from Illinois. Any of those guys jump out
at you as a potential Seahawk fit.

Speaker 6 (53:25):
Definitely Cashius Howell.

Speaker 15 (53:26):
I mean, if you're trying to lose if you're trying
to replace the pass rush specialist that a boy A
Mafe was. I think Howell has the chance to do that,
especially because Seattle has a deep defensive line and they
can rotate players and they're not necessarily looking for an
eight hundred snaps starter.

Speaker 6 (53:40):
On the edge.

Speaker 15 (53:41):
I think Cashus Howell at worst is a very good
designated pass rusher. He's got the same arm length questions
that ruben Bain has, but his burst off the edge
is outstanding. Last year, Texas A and M first rounder
Shamar Stewart you're watching. If you're watching Stewart or Nick
s Gorton last year who went in the second round,
it was Casius Howell, number eighteen, who popped every single
time I was watching the other Texas A and M

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pass rushers last year.

Speaker 6 (54:03):
So Howell can play. He can also drop into coverage.

Speaker 15 (54:05):
He's got some reps where he's running down the field
with tight ends and making pass breakups in the whole thing.
So love his versatility in coverage. I think he can
get after the QB. Great athlete. He's not a hard
edgectter in the run game, and he's got the short arms,
so those are gonna be the questions. But if you
put him in the right role, five hundred snaps, six
hundred snaps, get after the quarterback and they cashes, Howell.

Speaker 6 (54:24):
Can do some damage.

Speaker 1 (54:25):
I do laugh because his arms are basically almost identical
length wise to his arm length to Reuben Bayn Junior.
So yeah, that's really close. One guy I want to
ask you about just because we watched him. I don't
know if you know this, Steve. You're out there in
the Midwest, in a little state called Ohio, but you
might know this. The world has evolved around Michigan the

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last few years in Michigan athletics, whether it be football
or this year basketball. Guy we've watched play a lot
of football. Derek Moore looks like probably a Day two,
maybe even a third round pick. Always thought he's a
really good football player. Maybe he's not spectacular. But what
do you think about Derek Moore?

Speaker 6 (55:04):
I think you gave the generic description that's correct about
Derek Moore. Good.

Speaker 8 (55:08):
You just him.

Speaker 15 (55:08):
He's a good He's a good football player, and I
don't think he's terribly explosive or athletic. I think he
uses his hands pretty well. He likes to engage rushers,
win with win with technique. But he's been dependable. He's
been he's been just good on the edge in the
run game. He's rushed the passer fairly well. And then ironically,
his teammate Jayshawn Barram, who converted from linebacker to edge,

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might be the more explosive, exciting player, and I think
some teams are gonna like.

Speaker 6 (55:35):
Him as well.

Speaker 15 (55:36):
But Moore has been the more consistently dependable player. And
that's the type of player who goes, you know, mid
second into the third round and plays in the league
a long time.

Speaker 1 (55:44):
And I think that's what Derek Moore looks like. Ah Man,
great stuff, Steve. I really I enjoy our conversations during
the season, I got admit, but this is always fun
because again for people to know we've had Steve on
for well and kind of roster building and the draft
and all that stuff is you're kind of I know
what you really enjoy as well. This is great stuff.
Tell folks about the check the Mic podcast. You guys
are fantastic, you and Sam. Where can they find that

(56:05):
and what's it all about?

Speaker 6 (56:07):
Yeah, cranking it up.

Speaker 15 (56:08):
During draft season, we try to cover every team equally,
so we got mock drafts, we got position breakdowns. Yesterday
we had a great discussion about old draft myths and
our old takes and where we went right and where
we were wrong. So check the MIC anywhere you listen
to podcasts and of course on YouTube.

Speaker 1 (56:22):
We will talk to you next week, my friend. We
are two weeks away to the day of the draft,
so we'll check in with you seven days away from
the draft next. In the meantime, go check out to
check the MIC podcast for everybody as well. Thank you, sir, yep,
thank you, appreciate it. There we go. That's our guys.
Steve Pelozola will take a break, come back. Check your
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Speaker 8 (57:00):
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Speaker 1 (57:04):
Heyday ten to one one.

Speaker 3 (57:08):
Wasn't suck to the mirrors when.

Speaker 11 (57:10):
It comes to the murders, they're pis poor their garbage
and I went to.

Speaker 1 (57:15):
Miami, Hey, m J. Yeah, last week you said they
were great. You were the good luck charm. Yeah, you
tell us every day you went to Miami.

Speaker 7 (57:24):
We get it.

Speaker 11 (57:26):
It doesn't matter. I went to the U laugh now,
cry later, thank me never.

Speaker 17 (57:35):
Hey, hey Jess, take care of here. You and heard
the interview, I'm mc donald, you know when the Softy show,
and you know it's great. Thought that was awesome. I'm
gonna try to, you know, apply for the staff. I
didn't want to go to the Raiders, but you know,
it's kind of kind of force from there. So I'm
gonna come back and compete. I'm gonna bring Russ, bring
Jim Alivest.

Speaker 11 (57:54):
People hate him so but I think competes.

Speaker 1 (57:56):
He's great and you don't go hawks.

Speaker 8 (58:00):
All right.

Speaker 1 (58:03):
I don't even know what to say, but actually, can
I say this. I was, I was with a group
of people last night. I don't want to say this
to him, but I'll say it publicly, but not to
him specifically. I had a couple of people come up
to me and say that was one of the best
interviews in count of oursation a long time yesterday with
Hugh Millen and David Maller talking to one Mike McDonald,

(58:23):
if you missed it yesterday. It was fantastic.

Speaker 6 (58:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (58:25):
I never say I to Sapia, No, not gonna, not
going to just said I said it publicly on the air,
so the record had I'm on the I'm on the record.
I'm on the record as saying it was great, good,
four nine four five one.

Speaker 6 (58:41):
Ian.

Speaker 1 (58:42):
Why didn't advise me to go with the Jackson feld stoppelganger?
I was my Golf League pick of Cameron versus my
Golf League pick of Cameron Young. Oh well that's early.
The two oh six Jackson Jackson Jackson's Jackson's three under
third right now in the Masters masquerading is one. Jackson
has a Patrick reed it is crazy, although Patrick Reid

(59:02):
doesn't doesn't get fired up. Oh you know what I
didn't check. How did the Sounders do last night?

Speaker 5 (59:09):
Is teth lost?

Speaker 1 (59:12):
So he's in a bad mood.

Speaker 3 (59:13):
Yeah, okay, my namesake right here?

Speaker 1 (59:16):
Yeah, somebody asked about that. Robert McIntyre's he spelled it wrong.

Speaker 2 (59:19):
Just yes, he spells it the Scottish way. We're Irish.
M A c is Scottish, mc is Irish. But I
will still say if you're pronouncing it out loud, it
does sound like my dad's name.

Speaker 1 (59:32):
Yeah, okay, just doesn't like him because he spells it wrong.
He's Irish, guy, You're Irish.

Speaker 2 (59:39):
Scottish You there in law is Scottish and so we
have a whole thing about he's he thinks that we're
actually Scottish and we migrated.

Speaker 3 (59:47):
It's a whole family.

Speaker 6 (59:48):
Ye.

Speaker 3 (59:49):
Wow, Yeah, he's got.

Speaker 8 (59:51):
A whole Mayday.

Speaker 5 (59:52):
He pronounces it tournament too.

Speaker 3 (59:54):
No, he's Scottish. He has a whole other accent.

Speaker 5 (59:57):
Does he have the accent?

Speaker 8 (59:59):
It would be great.

Speaker 3 (01:00:01):
He's one hundred.

Speaker 1 (01:00:05):
By the way, people asked some of you asked about
can we get a guest talk about the m's top prospects.
We did that one year on this show, and it
was when the Mariners were so I might have been
the refuse to talk yet, right, No, oh, is it
our boy? Because we have a guy. If I need
to ask about a prospect, we have Crawford on.

Speaker 5 (01:00:26):
That's I think it's Crawford asking let's check the number?

Speaker 6 (01:00:30):
The number for me?

Speaker 1 (01:00:33):
I I yeah, I was just gonna say the funny thing.
Here's the twist. If it really is him, he's funny
because he mentioned it yesterday. He's a three to six guy. Okay,
he but I like or two five three anyway, I
if I want to know about a prospect, this was
I'll have Chris Crawford on absolutely.

Speaker 6 (01:00:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:00:52):
The year we did that, it was either refused to
talk year or they were so bad year that we
just focused the entire summer on a weekly We basically
rotated the play by play guys through for the four
for Modesto, Arkansas, Colonel and and others. One now it's Riley.
Riley's intersecond year, right.

Speaker 4 (01:01:12):
Forty five says trade Randy, bring up Wisdom and Emerson.
You want to trade one of the few guys that's
actually hitting for you right now? Interesting that weird moves.

Speaker 1 (01:01:22):
There's just panic in the streets.

Speaker 3 (01:01:25):
Oh yeah, we haven't even said the words that we
don't say.

Speaker 1 (01:01:28):
I'll tell you right now. I'm not sure who it's
better for right now because I'm looking at the text line.
Is this better for Todd and the Kraken that the
Mariners suck? Or is it better for John Jerry and
Justin that the Kraken aren't doing well? Because I look
at the text line and all it is is just

(01:01:49):
absolute bitterness.

Speaker 4 (01:01:51):
Now it's to the point where they're not helping each
other because they're being looped into the same category.

Speaker 6 (01:01:57):
Both suck right.

Speaker 5 (01:01:58):
Now, football, see he's in.

Speaker 8 (01:02:00):
When's the draft?

Speaker 6 (01:02:01):
Two weeks today?

Speaker 1 (01:02:02):
By the way, two weeks from today is the draft? Yes,
two weeks a day. One week from today. Hockey seasons
officially over, but two weeks from day the cracket or
the NFL draft takes place. Listen, what if what if
I told you? What if I told you? What if
you told me that the Mariner is going to come
home and put up two crooked numbers in the three

(01:02:24):
games and win two of the three games against Houston.

Speaker 4 (01:02:27):
It's four games, by the way, Oh god, that's right.
They played Mondaday weirdest. Okay, went four.

Speaker 1 (01:02:31):
Let's say they win three out of four and put
up crookeet numbers and at least two of those games.

Speaker 5 (01:02:35):
I think there would be less panic would.

Speaker 1 (01:02:37):
Be would we be?

Speaker 8 (01:02:38):
Okay?

Speaker 6 (01:02:38):
Oh god?

Speaker 1 (01:02:39):
Freddy, oh ye double double. I was saying my card yesterday,
what minus minus the birdies that he had? Freddy was
like under part when we made the turn. I know,
and now he's plus six, went south quick, He's plus six.

Speaker 5 (01:02:57):
Called a corner for you.

Speaker 1 (01:02:59):
That's seen at the back night. It drew it yesterday. Hey,
you were having fun to over through five and that's
not how it finished. All right, we're good, We are good,
all right. David Maler joins us from Husky Spring Practice Motlake.

Speaker 6 (01:03:13):
Next.

Speaker 1 (01:03:26):
So, I I did this last segment and I said
this last segment.

Speaker 8 (01:03:30):
I heard it.

Speaker 1 (01:03:31):
Oh you did.

Speaker 8 (01:03:32):
That's terrible, terrible segment.

Speaker 1 (01:03:34):
Oh really, you should be a shame you didn't hear
it because it was about you.

Speaker 8 (01:03:37):
I'm going to talk to the boss.

Speaker 1 (01:03:38):
It was about you. And it was a compliment.

Speaker 8 (01:03:41):
Dig you dig your contract man.

Speaker 1 (01:03:43):
You know what I said, compliment terrible.

Speaker 8 (01:03:45):
I don't like compliments.

Speaker 1 (01:03:46):
I know you don't. You hate those.

Speaker 8 (01:03:48):
They're so dumb.

Speaker 1 (01:03:49):
So here's what I'm gonna say instead, Hugh.

Speaker 8 (01:03:51):
That compliment themselves on the air.

Speaker 1 (01:03:53):
Well yeah, oh my god. But here's what I'll say
you you weren't very good. But he was really good
in that interview with my dream.

Speaker 8 (01:04:01):
I stunk. Here was fantastic guy stunk.

Speaker 7 (01:04:04):
I had.

Speaker 1 (01:04:05):
I had a couple of that. I had a couple
of people. I was playing golf yesterday and afterwards I
might have been founding found in the nineteenth hole and
I had. I had a couple of people come up
and say that one of them was one of them
was kind of hysterical. I said, hey, you should really
listen to your station did a really good interview with
Mike McDonald. You should go back and listen to it.

Speaker 8 (01:04:24):
Don't you hate when people say that?

Speaker 1 (01:04:26):
I said, I said, trust me, I was in the car.
I listened to the whole thing.

Speaker 7 (01:04:31):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:04:31):
I listened to the whole thing. And then somebody else said, hey,
that was a great interview those guys, And honestly it
was Mike McDonald. Do you remember like when he first
got here, it was like six word answers, very subdued. Now,
I know we won a Super Bowl this year, but
just always loosened up, loosened up a lot. Yeah, no
doubt you said when you said, I'm not really going
to I don't want to ask this, I don't want

(01:04:51):
to go down there, and he goes, no, go ahead
and ask it.

Speaker 18 (01:04:54):
When we were talking about the offense, ye, how they yeah,
and he's like, well what do you think? I was like, well,
how about you score more points in the red zone?
I agree, whatever, blah blah blah. And it wasn't just
the points. I mean, Mike Hogrin told me a while
back that when you get to the twenty, every pass
should be to the end zone, right like, You've got
thirty yards to work with, and if you if you
include the end zone, then you're loosening things up even

(01:05:16):
more so than you You know, things are tightening up, obviously.

Speaker 8 (01:05:19):
I don't know why more teams don't do that.

Speaker 18 (01:05:21):
And you know what with the with the personnel, the
Hawks are going to be able to field next year
that pass catcher, I would say, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:05:28):
Why not, Well, let's be more of a strength in
your running back room for sure for it.

Speaker 8 (01:05:31):
Yeah, absolutely so. Yeah, but I agree, I was a
terrible in person.

Speaker 1 (01:05:35):
Who's this homegrown person you're talking about?

Speaker 8 (01:05:38):
Why is this old doddery and gold guy lives in Kirkland.

Speaker 18 (01:05:41):
You know, every now and then you see him stumbling
down the street on his way to the bar and
Anthony's you know, making the turn to the Boss Bay Hall.
If you can make it that far, David down the road, listen.
You know Sun tanning on the beach of Lake Washington
for an early morning swim.

Speaker 1 (01:06:01):
Did you uh when you you guys asked him a
couple of different times, about the running backs right right?
What do you think that you think you're just gonna
hope to find a rookie in uh in camp? Or
do you think they believe one of these guys?

Speaker 6 (01:06:12):
Actually?

Speaker 18 (01:06:12):
I think, Well, the funny thing is is I actually
asked Mike about that yesterday. And this is the great
part about these interviews is that we get to you know,
read into it.

Speaker 5 (01:06:23):
You know, what do you mean, what does he mean?
Let's translate exactly.

Speaker 18 (01:06:27):
Now we get to spend probably five more months thinking
about it, right, I asked him, I said, is there
a guy in that locker room, in the running back room,
whether Halani or Acres or the new kid from Green
Bay uh is Vellis Jones still here by the way,
I think, yeah, right, like any of those dudes. Is
there anybody that you think we are like missing the

(01:06:49):
boat on?

Speaker 8 (01:06:49):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:06:50):
Like?

Speaker 8 (01:06:50):
Are we are we under selling?

Speaker 18 (01:06:51):
Because Millan said JACCARTI are right, And so I asked
Mike on the air, you know, is there a guy
that we're kind of maybe you.

Speaker 8 (01:06:57):
Know, missing the boat? And he he would name one guy.

Speaker 18 (01:07:00):
Yeah, So I don't know, maybe that's just his style
that he's not gonna you know, single one guy out,
whether positively or negatively. Maybe he doesn't want to rock
the boat with the other guys on that football team.

Speaker 8 (01:07:11):
Or maybe it means maybe that he doesn't like anybody either.

Speaker 1 (01:07:17):
Yeah, I think it could be that.

Speaker 18 (01:07:18):
I well, yeah, I don't know, man, I mean they
got obviously the Monday after the draft is the day,
but we could really get a kind of a real
feel for what this is going to look like. And
it's not just the draft, it's the trades, right that
will take part over that weekend too, right.

Speaker 1 (01:07:32):
Yeah, yeah, I mean they've done they've certainly been active
and not just drafting but trades over the years on
draft days. So I would say, you know what, if
there is a guy I think you're right, Like maybe
it is JAKARTI right, maybe one of those guys, right,
but he's not going to give a guy that has
done nothing in this league that kind of pump on radio.
I go, oh, yeah, like he's probably gonna get hearn it, right,

(01:07:52):
But I don't know.

Speaker 8 (01:07:53):
It probably throws all those guys that are the same bucket.

Speaker 1 (01:07:56):
The thing is is that the two guys that are
the the two guys that probably have the highest upside
of that room because we know what Halani is. Of
those guys, what it is is I think that of
those guys right now, right and Macintosh, they're both coming
off major injuries. Yes, right so and Charbony.

Speaker 8 (01:08:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 18 (01:08:15):
I mean it's not a great how about this for
breaking news. It's not a good position to be in.
People seek running back room. I mean, you know again,
I just wonder if we're gonna be sitting around in
October thinking, God, they should have just given.

Speaker 8 (01:08:28):
Canine the money? Why not just give the money? Are
we gonna be asking that question?

Speaker 13 (01:08:32):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (01:08:32):
The is button stuck? He can't turn his mic on.

Speaker 8 (01:08:35):
No, I got you, I got you, you got me?

Speaker 3 (01:08:37):
It is lit up? Yeah, No, it's so, this is
this is an thing here.

Speaker 6 (01:08:42):
Here you go.

Speaker 16 (01:08:42):
Hang on.

Speaker 1 (01:08:43):
Well, we haven't broken studio softy. I don't know if
you know that. Headsets got hey, the headsets got everything.

Speaker 8 (01:08:50):
No, it is what I'm on remote is a good No, No,
it's me.

Speaker 1 (01:08:54):
It's I pushed the talk back button to tell Andrews
it sticks.

Speaker 8 (01:08:57):
I stick.

Speaker 1 (01:08:57):
Yeah, just found that out. Thanks to be careful. Got
that figured out. This is I pushed the talkback button
because every time Anders was talking to Jess all I
heard was them in the whole studio.

Speaker 18 (01:09:08):
So it's another another thing to add to Jeff White
and Terry Ryan's to do list.

Speaker 1 (01:09:11):
Jackson, you need to get on that real quick. I
don't know what you're doing right now, worrying about your
sounders getting there getting smoked by t Gris or Tigris
or Tony the Tiger told.

Speaker 18 (01:09:19):
Jackson yesterday on the show, I said, the talkback button
is sticking.

Speaker 8 (01:09:23):
It's stuck, Jackson. Jackson told me. He said, don't say anything.
Let's see if it affects Ian.

Speaker 1 (01:09:28):
Oh, Jackson, come here, come in, see come in the
studio so I can kick your ass. Well, how did
it not work?

Speaker 8 (01:09:38):
Well?

Speaker 1 (01:09:39):
See, Mark must not talk to Kid, and apparently Chuck
doesn't talk to Ashley.

Speaker 8 (01:09:43):
No, he doesn't even know who Kid is. For God's sake, No, Mark,
what's the name of your producer? I got a producer.
What I don't know?

Speaker 6 (01:09:49):
I don't know.

Speaker 8 (01:09:50):
The problem is.

Speaker 1 (01:09:52):
One and a half.

Speaker 7 (01:09:53):
Huh.

Speaker 18 (01:09:53):
You ever noticed that Kid does the show with the dark?
You ever walk into the control room but he's in there.

Speaker 1 (01:09:57):
It's because he's sleeping the whole time.

Speaker 18 (01:09:58):
I can't see anything, so I think in his defense.
He looks into that mirror, that window, sorry, and he
can't even see anybody sitting there because black well, I'm
just gonna leave that talk back button and if if
it doesn't get fixed, and good luck Chuck tomorrow morning.

Speaker 1 (01:10:13):
Although he's not in. Actually I think it's Ashley. Somebody
fixed it. We like Ashley, fix it for Ashley.

Speaker 13 (01:10:17):
All Right?

Speaker 1 (01:10:18):
Is Petro Sount today? He Hello, shut up, shut up,
all right. Softy's coming up. He's at at Husky practice.
We think we're all gonna be on the air in
a minute. See by

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