Furness Show 5-19: Joe Sheehan and John Lund

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Bats came alive for the MS last night. They took
down the White Sox six to one. The highlight though,
cold emerson first major league hit was a three run
home run. Friends and family in the stands. Really cool
Julio home run as well. Brian moved great more on
that in a second Game two of the series six
to forty tonight, Brice Miller and maybe Luis Castile on

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the mound whatever, Jackson Smith and Jig but the Offensive
Player of the Year Super Bowl champion received his trophy
for Defensive Player of the Year.

Speaker 3 (00:36):
I mean that's kind of awesome.

Speaker 2 (00:38):
Yeah, he was that good. Now the NFL screwed it up.
How do you screw that up?

Speaker 3 (00:43):
It's one trophy, dude.

Speaker 2 (00:45):
Do you screw that up? He's getting a new one
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We're not exactly sure. Our buddy John Canzon was going
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Antonio did win last night, I know. I The Pukes. PWHL,
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They have gone from six teams a couple of years
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in this year, which is really cool. So that's a
great see that league grop here we go. We believe
Joe Sheen and John Lund are going to join it today.

Speaker 3 (02:00):
We do believe.

Speaker 2 (02:01):
Have we talked to John, they will and yes, I
have you have? Okay, all right, that's the Joe's very punctual.
And for those that ask, we think we might have
solved the Joe Shean audio problem. Yes, okay, Yes, that's
the plan. That's what you tell me. That's what Joe
tells me, he tells you at least, all right, Ye
think that that.

Speaker 3 (02:23):
Between you two.

Speaker 2 (02:24):
Everyone is like, we love Joe, we just don't understand
half of what he says.

Speaker 3 (02:29):
We can't hear him as well.

Speaker 2 (02:30):
So I think we have solved that problem. Yes, correct.

Speaker 4 (02:34):
I gave him a very specific directive on what has
worked well for me when it comes to audio.

Speaker 2 (02:41):
Yes, all right. So coming up probably in the next segment,
I believe, is when we'll do it. We're gonna maybe
this segment. We'll see how long we go here. We're gonna.
So we had the boys on yesterday from mali Wa Monday,
and it was spicy. I don't know how you want

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to say it, but it was a it was a
really good episode. We ended up going the full hour.
We don't normally do that, but the we be because
we need to get to cold Emerson, which we will
in a second, but before we could get to that.
The Dan Wilson situation has just been kind of percolating
under the under the surface, and I think it just
boiled over this past weekend. Now, yes, they won last night.

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Nobody in this division is above five hundred. It's just
it's a weird, strange season in the American League and
certainly in the AL West. The West feels a lot
like the NFC South last year in the NFL, like
it's just someone's not going to be good and still
win it. And that's not what we want to have here.
So we will get back to Dan in a second,
but we're going to replay the little snippet of those
guys Chris and Nathan both talking about Wilson because Mike

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Benton does a great job of our social media stuff.
He put some stuff on Instagram last night and on
and on Twitter, I guess, or ex whatever we call it,
and it blew up, absolutely blew up. And you know,
I don't always put all my you know, everything in
one basket in terms of what social media is saying
or but when you have a reaction like we did.

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I woke up this morning and I looked at the
Instagram Stu and I'm like, holy, like it was crazy.
Everyone in this town seems to have a Dan Wilson
opinion sure, and a strong one at that. And so
we're gonna get those guys. If you missed it yesterday,
just pull that little part out again and let them
talk about it, and we'll get your reaction to it
as well. Because I think it's it's it's it's a

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good thing to be honest with you, not to be
criticizing or be critical, but it's a good thing because
the passion for Mariner fans and what they're demanding that
happens this year, with this particular season is frankly, I think,
in an all time high. And if I'm sitting down
there at T Mobile, I love it. I don't love

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that people criticize our current manager, maybe, but I do
love the passion. I love the fact that people are
fired up. I love the fact that people want this
team and demand this team. I go back to Chris's
first episode of MULLI wa money Monday. This year, I
demand they get to the World Series. And I think
every listen, you're as close as you were last year.

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There's no reason not to. There's no reason not to
time is now fifty years in get to the damn
World Series and you have the team, at least on
paper you think can get there, and yet they have
a You are a sniff away and you bring you
run it back, effectively run it back. Now you've got injuries.
We all understand that, every team does. If you want

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to point out the Cal injury, I'll just point out
the fact that maybe Cal's been hurt all year, but
Cal hasn't been himself. That's been a problem, and you
can't blame Dan for that. No, you can't blame Dan
for that. But the end game decisions are I think,
what send people sideways? And we'll get to that a
little bit. I listened with great interest yesterday on the
way home. I didn't hear Friday Show with Jackson and Dick,

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but I listened with great interest yesterday on something they
were talking about I guess on Friday, and that was
how do you build an NBA team? And we're going
to get the NBA back? All right, let's just let's
just cut through all the nonsense and you know all
that the team, we're getting a team back. If it
doesn't happen, then then you come to me and I'll

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just say, hey, baby, I was wrong, and I don't
want to be wrong in this case. I roote to
be wrong. We rooted to be wrong in this show.
We don't want to root to be wrong here. But
it feels inevitable. We're getting a team back, which is great.
Dick brought up, you know, kind of how the the
the structure, how Oklahoma City has built what appears to

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be a team on the brink of going back to
back NBA titles. Now they are down one nothing after
thankfully Wemby and Company last night got the win in
Game one, and okay, see, but they still look to
be a heavy favorite to win in consecutive NBA championships.
And Dick brought up, basically, how do you know this
is how you build a team. I couldn't disagree more

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on a lot of levels. And it's not just because
it's Oklahoma City. But again, part of it is because
it's Oklahoma City. We'll get into that a little bit
as well. And I got a question for you guys too.
I'll just throw the question out there right now. Four
nine four or five one on the coma Dodge text line
four nine four five one I'll throw it out right now. Also,
you can say we had great talkbacks yesterday, A lot
of them, A lot of them, A lot of talkbacks.

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I have to do it alright, heeart radio app red
microphone speak thirty seconds or less. We have great talkbacks yesterday.
My question is this, do the Oklahoma City Thunder still
live rent free in your head? And that's a really
negative thing to say, But are you still here in
Seattle keeping an eye on what they're doing? Are they

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kind of living there in your mind right now?

Speaker 3 (07:56):
Against them? I against them?

Speaker 2 (07:58):
I do too. I'll get more to that in it.
But do they still are they hanging over your head?
Are they hanging over you still like that black cloud?
Since two thousand and eight? Now we have, I mean,
it's been a long damn time. There are a lot
of our listeners that don't know. I mean, they don't
remember the Sonics. I get it. Let's you're at least
thirty years old. You probably don't remember much about Sonic basketball, right,

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But if you are older than thirty thirty five up,
then you do. So my tone has changed a little bit.
But then Fane restoked the fire, so screw him, all right,
Mariners last night. The headline. Listen, there's a lot of headline.
The headline to me simple. My wife even said, like
like she walked in. We're watching the highlights on the

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news this morning, and she's like, oh, he hit the
home run. Like everyone knows who cold Emerson is. It's
a really cool, exciting story. It's awesome that this kid's up.
It's awesome. Were you get excited anytime there's a top
prospect that comes into your organization. To the family, was
there everything they make it for the first game because
it's I mean, basically got called up and he was
in Seattle an hour later, but they were there, and

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his first hit ends up being a three run home run.
Marriner's are up three to one at the time. Two
on makes it a six to one game, puts it
out of reach, and it was awesome, like absolutely fantastic.
Now there's a couple of comps the Mariner cent. These
are courtesy the Mariners, Alex and crew down there and
Jordan and everybody else in the great pr staff sent out.

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There's a couple of stats that jumped out after that
game that I didn't like, but I spelled well one
specifically because it was who was attached to right, Like,
you're thinking, is this the start of something great? So
he's the eleventh player in Mariner history to homer for
their first career hit. That sounds cool, right, Like, that's
also pretty wild, Like eleven times the first career hit

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for a Mariner player in his major league debut or
his major his first major league hit has been a
home run. That seems like a lot. Actually, it's kind
of a higher number than I was thought. Yeah, but
there's what I didn't like. He's the first since twenty
twenty one, a game on March fourteenth against Cleveland. You
know who that guy was, Jared Kelnick.

Speaker 4 (10:11):
Okay, let's not put that stack young or as Nathan.

Speaker 2 (10:15):
Bishop called him, Kellennick, or his fane would call him Kellenick,
but most people call him Kelnick.

Speaker 5 (10:21):
So I don't like.

Speaker 2 (10:22):
I'm with you. I didn't like I saw that. I'm like,
I don't want.

Speaker 4 (10:24):
That attached now, curse attached to that.

Speaker 2 (10:27):
I'll give you a better comp again. Courtesy the Minorst
pr staff. He also became the first player in franchise
history hit a three run or more home run as
his first career home run in the majors. Right, so
his first career home run being three or more runs,
almost a grand slam in his first career home run
in Major League Baseball. Since this is a better camp

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Julio back in twenty twenty two, I like that staff,
So take the pen out, crossout Kelnick's name. I'm going
with the Julio comp. I like that. Boom awesome, there
he is. That was the headline last night. I'd say
the sub headline underneath. If it's the newspaper, which may
or may not still exist. I think they still have

(11:10):
a newspaper out there, although it's I Actually, you know,
when I went to pick one up the other day,
at times, I couldn't believe how thin it was.

Speaker 4 (11:17):
Oh really, I was like, what, I haven't picked up
a physical one in a while, unless I'm in a hotel.

Speaker 3 (11:22):
That's when I pick him up.

Speaker 2 (11:23):
I do too. Yeah, and we weren't Spokane all those years.
It was like, I just get the Spokesman review every morning.
Was awesome.

Speaker 3 (11:29):
Shout out to the Tribune to yeah, tribute.

Speaker 2 (11:31):
The Tribune is really thin, it is. I mean, Greg
greg and John Manley the only sports writers really left.
They hold so like I don't know it's it's that
thing's a shadow. Anyway, this would have been step headline,
and I think almost shares the headline. Yes, the home
run was awesome by cold Emerson, I think more importantly,
And we'll hear the stuff with those guys in a
minute about what's going on the baseball team. Uh, and

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the manager, Brian Wu was great, absolutely phenomenal last thing.
And why was that good? Well, here's the thing. He
had a couple really bad starts at Saint Louis net
Cap at home against Kansas City Ivember, like two like
ones where he kind of got tossed around a little bit,

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which isn't like him. Since then three great starts in
a row. He retired the final eleven batters yesterday and
that quality start six scoreless innings. He was dominant, absolutely
flat out dominant yesterday. And watching that version of Brian
Wu should give every marrin her fan a ton of

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hope excitement. Whatever the manager situation is, which we'll get into,
whatever the injury situation is, you need your guys, your
top dudes, to be great. Logan was awful over the weekend.
Kirby was awful over the weekend. Brian Wu now has
strung three straight starts together after two blips on the
radar screen. Before that, he was good too, And you're

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not gonna be perfect throughout the year. Woo's your ace.
He's just flat out your ace right now. And God
was he good? Like so good last night? Third like
like watch and I love watching him. His compete level
is a ten out of a ten.

Speaker 3 (13:09):
Like he he just is a He just.

Speaker 2 (13:11):
Has a different gear in terms of his want to
and his compete at least it just what appears to
be on the mound, and I love that. I think
it's got to be. You know, Parada, I thought caught
a great game behind the plate, like they had a
really good report going you could tell, and after every
inning it was like they're just jacked up. And I
thought Parada's energy level behind the plate match Wo's I

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have to ask myself, And this is a Chris and
Nathan question, maybe next week or whatever. I think Parada
feels to me in some ways like a better option
than Garber, who's just not good and all and hasn't
been good for two years. But anyway, take that aside.
WU was fantastic, absolutely sensational, flat out dominant yesterday. Love
seeing it and yes cold Emerson's three run home run.

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He gets the walk off postgame interview with the hyphen
he gets all the accolades and the gatorade and all
that stuff. Brian Wu yesterday the most important thing that
came out of that three straight starts and was just dominant,
especially with whatever they're doing with the whole Bryce Miller,
Luis Castel deal trying to figure that stuff out. Gilbert
and Kirby coming off too bad.

Speaker 3 (14:14):
OUTA.

Speaker 2 (14:16):
Hancock was good Friday, the other two guys not good
over the weekend. You need Wu, and Wu delivered in
a big, bad way yesterday. It was awesome to see that.
To me was what was kind of a more of
an unimportant part of the game last night. Julio is
still great early start. At least Naylor has really heated up.
Three hit at night last night for Josh Naylor, so

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he likes seeing that all those things. JP still can't
play defense. I know people down there are uber sensitive
about that. I'm gonna say this again. If you're looking
at fielding percentage, you're looking at the wrong stat. Listen
to this station. Listen to the Morning Show with Chuck
listen to Mollywop. Guys, listen to shean Ino Sarras anybody
that knows baseball. You're not looking at fielding percentage. You're

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looking at all the underlying stats, by those underlying numbers.
JP Crawford is not good at shortstop period. End of story,
cold Emerson being good. If Brendan Donovan comes back healthy,
they're gonna have decisions to make. I mean, JP can hit,
you're not taking as bad out of the lineup, but
he hurts you defensively. That's that's a fact. And I
know that's a sensitive topic for some people. Know you

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know what I'm talking about. You know what I'm talking about.

Speaker 3 (15:27):
It would appear he's playing through some things that we don't.

Speaker 2 (15:30):
Don't he's been bad defensively for a couple of years now.

Speaker 3 (15:35):
Well, especially compared to what he was.

Speaker 2 (15:37):
You know what I'm You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (15:39):
I know exactly what you're saying.

Speaker 2 (15:42):
It's not good. But I love his bat.

Speaker 3 (15:44):
And he took a baseball player.

Speaker 2 (15:46):
He's a good hitter.

Speaker 4 (15:48):
Yess, that's baseball.

Speaker 2 (15:50):
You got to play the you're playing the most important
infield position.

Speaker 3 (15:53):
Yes, and you're not good. It's very difficult, a.

Speaker 2 (15:55):
Little spin and throw yesterday, like, ah, what I know,
what'll be doing anyway? All good yesterday, all good and
cold Emerson cool, the mom and dad in the stands,
seventeen family members.

Speaker 3 (16:11):
That many people get to be there for that. Like
you said, he only had like a one hour Yeah,
I think he was that his family knows.

Speaker 2 (16:18):
Was over oh for three before that over two.

Speaker 4 (16:22):
On Sunday, Sam shows up and look what happens.

Speaker 2 (16:25):
Free run homer, oh for two, oh for three gets
his last at bat eighth. I think, thanks for cut
and and you know the thing too that I liked
about showed a little pop on that, like it's kind
of almost a one hander, and I mean, I know
it's short down the right field line and all that,
but that was just a it was going to be
an extra base hit. At least if he didn't go
over the fence, it was gonna be offul wall. He's
gonna get a double. I'm assuming he got the ball
and all that back I haven't seen. But the guy

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that caught it, that guy that puts the k's up,
Oh that was it bounced up and he caught it
in his gloves. So and then they showed it later
and he wasn't there, so I'm sure the marriage did
a good job. Go hey, let's come on down. What
do we gonna do?

Speaker 3 (16:57):
And they do such a good job of rewarding, we
would give the ball back for a significant.

Speaker 2 (17:02):
Mod Yeah, so that was really cool. Everything about it
yesterday was awesome. But the manager is still a concern,
all right. The manager is still somewhat of a concern
for so many people. So here's what we could do
when we can come back. We're gonna play a little
bit of yesterday's Mollywop segment with Nathan and Chris and

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what they had to say about the situation involving Dan Wilson.
And it's a simple, simple question. Do the Mariners have
a manager problem? Do they have a manager problem? We'll
hear from Chris and Nate again. It blew up all
of our social media. Everyone seems to have an opinion
on it. You guys have an opinion on it? Four nine,
four or five one. Fire off your thoughts, comments, questions, concerns. Also,

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the talkbacks is there as warrior as well. We got
Mariners tickets to give away for tonight later on today,
so stay tuned for that all that coming up right
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Speaker 2 (18:28):
Now we're back twelve forty five, and I tell you
about the worst owner in sports doing his magic today.
I'm not surprised. Some people feel like they're surprised. I'm
not surprised at all. Tell people all the time, there's
a reason that John Foresland is here in Seattle. And
we have the best television play by play announcer in

(18:49):
the NHL here in Seattle. His name is John Foresland,
and there's a reason he's here. And we'll get to
that at twelve forty five, because this guy is an issue,
all right. Yeah, Yterday Molly Want Monday went a full hour.
We pulled about six seven minutes out of the best
of the following topic, which and again, if you've listened

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to our show, our show is an interesting one because well, no,
I think it's just those two guys have this reputation
of being, especially Nathan cantankerous, a little bit right and
understand that both Nathan and Chris are baseball fans and

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Mariners fans that care deeply about the team and the sport.
They also do it with a pretty good base of knowledge.
Two different bases of knowledge in terms of where they
come from. I mean, Chris does it for a living
with Rotal World. Nathan has a great understanding of statistics
and the history and all that. And we even during

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the Scott Service days, I don't really remember ever going
down the road of God should service go? I don't
remember that. And Dan there's been a lot of criticism
of him, especially after Game seven last year, but even
before that, in game decisions and so on and so forth.
But after the weekend Sweet by San Diego, there were

(20:13):
a lot of people asking and talking about what's going on?
What about Dan Wilson. So that was our topic yesterday.
Take a listen, get your reaction four nine, four to
five to one to this. How culpable or how much
of a problem is the manager or is he.

Speaker 6 (20:32):
He's definitely a problem. How much of a problem he
is is subjective, of course, because Dan Wilson is in
Rob Reschneider. Dan Wilson isn't Connor, Joe. Dan Wilson isn't
Mitch Garver, he isn't Leo Revos, he isn't the guy
who has put those players on the roster. But this
is what I came back to, and I always.

Speaker 2 (20:54):
Come back to this.

Speaker 6 (20:55):
Anytime a team makes a managerial change or any type
of coaching change, in any is Dan Wilson making the
Mariners better? Because if Dan Wilson is making the Mariners better,
this team sucks out loud like it's a really, really
bad roster, and then you've got to make talk about
making wholesale changes. No, I don't think that this is

(21:17):
a really bad roster. I don't think that Dan Wilson
has made the Seattle Mariners better even a smidget. Now,
if you want to argue that he's what he's doing
in the clubhouse, that's so hard to judge because I'm
not in there. Nobody's in there. Jerry and Justin are
in there, so they have a little bit of an idea.
But that's really hard to prove, and it's really hard

(21:38):
to prove that a new guy can't do the same
thing as well. But the in game decision making and
Sunday really frustrated me because I saw a lethargic baseball team.
I saw a baseball team that looked like that loss
didn't really bug them. And that's really frustrating because it
should have. This should have been a you gotta get
this w you gotta start, you know, getting some home wins.

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You gotta at least salvage something here. And they looked lethargic.
And that's at least a little bit on the manager.
Is it on the twenty six players too, of course,
But the answer your question, Dan Wilson is definitely culpable,
and Dan Wilson, these are the same issues that we
saw when he took over in twenty twenty four. For
a lot of twenty twenty five and so far in

(22:23):
twenty twenty six, for sure, if you could argue, it's
actually gotten worse. So I don't think that they're willing
to make a change. I think that Dan Wilson's popularity
in the city and with the organization makes this an
even more difficult thing.

Speaker 2 (22:41):
But I'll just be honest with you right now. I
had a night to sleep on it.

Speaker 6 (22:45):
I recorded my video at twelve thirty in the morning
because I wanted to take as much time as possible
before I ended up recording.

Speaker 2 (22:53):
Yeah, I think I would make the change. I think
I would make the decision right now.

Speaker 6 (22:57):
I probably would have made it after Game seven, to
be hones with you, but I would absolutely consider making
a managerial change because Dan Wilson is not making the
Seattle Mariners better, and that's all I care about. I
don't care about him managing the clubhouse. I don't care
about the relationships he has with the players. That's important.
I believe a new manager can do the same gosh

(23:18):
damn thing. Dan Wilson is not making the Seattle Mariners better,
and the Mariners need to look at that and decide
whether that's good enough. And I can't imagine how you'd
say that's good enough.

Speaker 2 (23:29):
The I'm gonna come back to something you said in there,
but Nathan, I'll let you have your sake be I
want to circle back in just a heart and a heartbeat.
But Dan Wilson, well, there's six.

Speaker 5 (23:39):
And eleven in one run games. His predecessor was incredibly
good in one run games for over a decade. That's
not saying Scotts Servis was a perfect manager. He clearly
was not no manager is perfect. But I'm looking at
this roster and I will grant Dan Wilson this year.
That cal Rowley being hurt sucks. That's really hard. As

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much of a negative as that is, I would say
that cal Rawley deciding to have the greatest season in
the history of Major League Baseball for a catcher probably
maybe obscured some of Dan's weaknesses last year. And having
a catcher hit sixty home runs makes you look pretty
smart when you're riding the lineup every single day. I
don't see the stuff that's happening on this roster right
now that makes me think that Dan is dealing with

(24:20):
some sort of toxic, unmanageable group of guys. Like I
see so many things going right for this team on
individual levels. Luke Raley's having a great season. Randio rose
Arena has been fantastic, Julio Rodriguez is off to one
of his best starts. Josh Naylor after a slow start,
is just Josh Naylor again. Cole Young has been promising.
Donovan's been fine when he's been healthy. JP Crawford is

(24:41):
the worst shortstop of Major League baseball, but he gets
on base like an absolute stud and has been one
of their more useful bats, Like those things should add
up to wins. And you couple it with a rotation
that has not been Elee. It has not been Ty
twenty three, twenty twenty four, it's still been one of
the better and probably the deepest rotation in all of
Major League Baseball. You still have Andres Munaz back there

(25:03):
to slam the door on close games, and you're six
and eleven to one run games, and you're fifteen and
twenty five against everybody except the worst frickin' rotation I've
ever seen in my life in the Houston Astros. Dude,
they are adding five plus five and making it seven.
And I don't know if that's not the manager's fault.

Speaker 2 (25:20):
I don't know what is the man?

Speaker 5 (25:22):
What is the manager's fault? When can I criticize the manager?
If I am watching this team underperformed and just not
being able to string together wins making the same stupid decisions,
they are getting slaughtered. I did some research on the numbers.
They are getting absolutely obliterated in the sixth inning of
baseball games, right when they are subbing out their best

(25:43):
hitters for their worst hitters, and right when they're trying
to transition from their starting pitching to their relief pitching.
Those are pivot points that the manager controls, and they
are failing every single day, it feels like in that
point in the game. And it's just I have nothing
against Dan Wilson. I have fond memories of Dan Wilson
as a child. He is a Mariner Hall of Famer.

(26:05):
He is apparently an eighty grade human being that everybody
who talks to says he's a wonderful man. I bear
him no ill will. The process through which he was hired,
the fact that there was apparently no vetting of any
kind or any sort of search before he was hired,
coupled with the obvious struggles they're going to come from

(26:25):
somebody that's never managed in baseball before, and seeing it
play out like this at what is at least the
best championship window this organization has had in twenty five years,
if not ever, it's really it's both very very on
brand for the Seattle Mariners and deeply frustrating as somebody
who would really like them to win.

Speaker 2 (26:46):
And that's Nathan and Chris the whole Mollywop Hours Yesterday's
On Yesterday's show is a podcast iHeartRadio app. Go just
check it out. It's they were The two of them
are great yesterday. They always are, but they were really
good yesterday about everything, including that subject.

Speaker 7 (26:59):
So they.

Speaker 2 (27:05):
I think the one thing that that Dan Wilson part
of the fallout is this, and Dick and Softie talked
about it yesterday as well. They brought it up, they
did a poll question all that fun stuff, and you know,
I kind of asked, was asking myself, and somebody asked
me about this, like why is it such a hot topic. Well,
I think it's simple, and it's not because they've been

(27:25):
hovering around five hundred all season and in a bad division,
in a bad league, kind of underachieving. I think more
than anything is because people look at the bigger pictures,
the expectations for this team, the twenty twenty six Seattle Mariners,
They've never probably been higher, and that includes coming off
the old one season into two thousand and two or

(27:45):
ninety five, or even after the twenty twenty two season.
I don't think the expectations have ever been higher for
this baseball team, and rightfully so. And with expectations come
the demand of fulfilling those and I think it is
very fair question to ask, is Dan Wilson the right
guy to lead this team this season to get to

(28:08):
the pinnacle. He may be, he may be. I just
hear too many people who's baseball IQ acumen understanding. I
hear too many people question Dan and listen, I really
like Dan Wilson the human being. I you know, I've

(28:30):
I really do. We're not friends, we're not buddies, we're
not texting, But like many of us in the media,
they've been around for a while, We've we've you know,
known Dan, talked to Dan, been around Dan. I'm not
around it every day anymore. But I like him a
lot and quality human being. And here's the thing I

(28:50):
did a little bit, a little bit of digging around today.
Everything we hear about how popular he is in the clubhouse,
it's one hundred percent true. Yeah, players like him.

Speaker 3 (28:59):
Well, I mean, you just go back to last year.

Speaker 2 (29:01):
Well, the reason that Service got let go, Nate brought
it up. Service was great in one run games. Wilson's
not in game managing. Service was probably a better manager,
but the relationships weren't good in the clubhouse compared to
where they are with Dan. Dan's a better relationship guys.
That's the kind of the thing, like, if you were
to make a change at some point this season, does

(29:22):
that actually become counterproductive? What's the trade off?

Speaker 8 (29:25):
Right?

Speaker 2 (29:26):
Is the trade off? Hey, maybe we have a better
guy in game that understands the matchups sometimes going with
feel as opposed to a number whatever, be whatever the
manager has to do. Maybe you're better off. Maybe you
have a better let's just call it a technical manager.
But I think you'd be hard pressed to find a
better relationship manager. And so then what happens at that point?

(29:48):
Do you take a step back because of that? Maybe
certainly could, and I don't think you want to do that.
That's so that's kind of what you're balancing right now.
If you're in that front office, you see things happen
in game and you're like, oh my god, like that
just feels like a colossal air and a mistake and
this and that. And then at the same time, the
players they love this guy, respect this guy. So that's

(30:13):
where the balancing act comes in. But the question, and
this is why I think it's a really fair question,
is he the right guy to lead this particular team
to where it needs to be? This season and where
it needs to be. People are World Series great at
bare minimum. This team needs to get at bare minimum.
This team needs to get back to the ALCS. If
they don't get back to the ALCS, the seasons of failure, Yeah,

(30:36):
that's because because it's a step back, a step back
four nine four five one. Also, the talkback is there
forty as well. By the way, the talkbacks, where's Clifford been?
I know you're not playing. We've got some tennis thing
going on now instead of the Clifford shows. So I
don't know if Clifford did he get canceled.

Speaker 3 (30:55):
Maybe it was because of the talkbacks we got.

Speaker 2 (30:57):
Maybe maybe maybe, who knows. I'm not sure what happen
in there, but I don't like it all right, Uh,
the worst owner in sports is at it again.

Speaker 1 (31:04):
Next now back de Furness on your Home for the

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Speaker 2 (31:37):
Point three kJ R FM. Worst Owner in Sports Back
at it, Ladies and gentlemen, back at it. I don't
want to make light of this because it's good people
losing jobs. But a lot of well you've seen it, Yeah,

(31:58):
a lot of reports coming out of Portland today that
Tom Dundon, the new owner of the Portland Trail Blazers,
has they've started our initials initiated around the layoffs. Seventy
at least seventy is the number from a couple of
different people I've spoken to, and I'm kind of seeing
out there on social media as well, but around seventy
plus and it's just starting. People have been laid off

(32:20):
by Dundon with the Blazers front office. This is a
guy that of course famously already has said he doesn't
want to pay I mean, it's just and then there's
he doesn't want to pay market value for a new coach.
He which You're in the NBA, man, You're in a

(32:44):
league that makes money, has a great media righte steal.
You're not cutting corners. It's I've mentioned this before. There's
a reason that John Foresln is here in Seattle of
the Kraken. We all know it's not a secret. John.
Like when he took over the Canes the Hurricanes, they

(33:06):
cut back. They didn't want to pay market value for
good people, including Johnny who's as good as it gets.
And they ended up doing a simulcast with radio and TV,
which does not serve anyone well, and bumped a guy up.
That's okay, he ain't John Good dude, really good dude.
The radio guy got bumped up. And you know, FORESLN said,

(33:30):
I don't even know how these specifics, if he was
given the opportunity to take a cut or whatever, but
he ends up coming to Seattle and it's our gain,
their loss. That's just a small part of it. Everyone
had been around the Hurricanes sell their cheap organization. Yes,
they're in an Eastern Conference finals of the Stanley Cup playoffs.
On the ice, they've been good. Why great GM, great coach,

(33:55):
make good decisions. I hit on a couple of draft
picks that that's why. Don't look at the on ice success.
Look how he runs an organization. Seventy people laid off today.
Seventy and that's in an NBA front office and that's

(34:15):
not basketball ops. That's a significant number. They've probably got
a I mean, I'm just thinking in terms of what
we have, maybe one hundred and fifty. That's probably thirty
forty percent of their staff they laid off is cheap, right, cheaple.

Speaker 3 (34:33):
I mean we've already seen that.

Speaker 2 (34:34):
I'm gonna give you the playbook. And this is what
just makes me infuriates me about the NBA, and I
just kind of look around and saying, are we still
going to have a team come here? I think? So
we're talking about that next segment about the Oklahoma city
being in our head still the.

Speaker 3 (34:45):
Pukes, the pukes.

Speaker 2 (34:47):
The Casey Holdalls there has been their digital reporter for
their website for about twenty years, almost twenty years he
was working for a different outlet when I was down there.
I've never seen a guy have more passion for his
jo I did a better job with it than Casey.

Speaker 9 (35:02):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (35:02):
He for people that I'm just trying to get it
and see how that would be the equivalent of John
Boyle for Seahawks dot com. John, that's a phenomenal, phenomenal job.

Speaker 4 (35:13):
Yeah, and which which is great too because he tells
really good stories as an insider and you.

Speaker 2 (35:20):
Know a lot of the time, pere are you going
to cover your own team? Well, but are you going
to cover your own team? That's a question like are
you how are you going to cover your own team?

Speaker 7 (35:27):
You like that guy like you.

Speaker 2 (35:29):
You can control the narrative. But Casey anyway, So this
is so just taxings and people that in Portland. This
is the Clayton Bennett playbook. We talked about it in
two thousand and six when he bought the team. When
he bought the team in O six, man, I'll tell
you I was listening to that was like early stages
if you can listen on the computer. And when when

(35:52):
when that dipstick Bennett bought the team from Howard Schultzen
O six, I sat there, Actually, well, gonna take a break.
I'll get in this because they'll morph into the Oklahoma
City stuff Joe sheanat two twenty at one. I don't
want to get into it now. I'd rather no. I
just rather kind of make sure I cross because I'm
getting all kinds of text from people, from people in Portland,

(36:12):
for those who don't know, I worked there for six years,
and well it's a source. It's just people are telling me, honestly,
just friends just saying, oh my god, it is two
different people. This is the Clayton Bennett playbook from six
and we all know how that ended for Seattle. I'm
so disappointed in the NBA, and I'll tell you why.

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I wonder what the forty nine ers must not have
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(39:01):
renumber two, the show coming up A one twenty. Joe
Shean's gonna join us. I'm just gonna wrap up.

Speaker 2 (39:06):
I didn't want to get into this in the last
couple of seconds before we went to the top of
the hour. In the last segment, Joe Shehina won twenty Today,
John lond at two o'clock, the worst owner in sports
is at it again. El Chipo. Tom Dundon there in
Portland laying off seventy people. And I brought this up.
By the way, John Canzon is gonna be on this tomorrow.
We had them schedule anyway. We talks from college football,

(39:27):
but Dundon bought the This is why I'm disappointing the NBA.
This guy's reputation was there. Everyone knew about him. First
of all, he made his money with high interest loans
on people that couldn't get normal loans on cars, like
just greasy, greasy business, greasy job, greasy person, cheap owner
with the Carolina Hurricanes. Everyone knew that in the NHL,

(39:49):
and the NBA let him in the club. So he
lays off seventy people today and just kind of going
back and forth with a number of people down there
that I still keep in contact with for my time.
It's a really bad day. It's what everybody had feared
it and my disappointment the NBA and looking ahead to

(40:10):
how it affects us here in Seattle. How in God's
name do they let this guy in the club? How
did they approve this guy as an owner? And it's
not like he put four billion dollars of his own
money into the team. He's technically the majority owner. I

(40:31):
think he has fifteen percent, so it's not like he
had that kind of financial wherewithal in the first place.
But what worries me with a team coming here, I
believe effectively at some point what worries me is Ver's
two things. Everything he is doing is out of the

(40:52):
Clayton Bennett two thousand and six playbook. And to refresh
your memory. God, I'll never forget this day. I'll never
forget this day, the spring of six when that puke
Coward Schultz sold the Sonics in forty one years of
history at that time, it was thirty nine years to

(41:15):
Clayton Bennett. It was the early days of KJR being
able to listen online. It was the early days of that.
And I remember flipping on the computer. I was in
Portland at home, and I must have don an early show,
but I remember I remember listening that afternoon to gros
and Gas and Groz is like, this is a bad day.

(41:38):
This is a bad day. And I think it was
even the press conference day. And he got up there,
Clayton Bennett, and he tried to say the right things
and everyone was seeing through it. He is from and
was from Oklahoma City. They had bailed out the NBA
with Hurricane Katrina and letting the New Orleans team play
there during that year when the city was devastated by

(42:00):
the hurricane. He was kind of old one, I guess
by David Stern in the NBA, the Sonics were trying
to figure out the Key Arena Nightmare and mess it
wasn't giving them what they needed to in terms of
revenue streams, and Howard had an ego, it got bruised
and he sold the team out from just everything that happened,

(42:22):
and Clayton Bennett had his thing. And I remember listening
to gros and Gas that day on this station, and
Groz specifically like, this is a bad day. This is
a really bad day. The playbook is simple, guy from
out of town with no local connections, buy something, and

(42:43):
in the back of his mind the thought of moving
is there. I think Bennett was a lot more intent
on moving. I think that was a given. But the
playbook of Clayton Ben and six cut back broadcasting, cut
back staff, any money on marketing, demand a new arena,

(43:03):
demand everything you can from a city in a state
that you know you're not going to get. And the
terrifying part, the absolutely terrifying part of all of that,
there were three years left on the lease in Seattle.
They fulfilled too, bought out the final one. They're three
years left on the lease in Portland for the Motor Center.

(43:26):
Now they're trying to get stuff done. They're kind of
their first in goal, if you want to use the
football analogy, in terms of getting their financing done. But
a couple of guys I texted down there, I said,
and they said, boy, this sounds a lot like what
happened in Seattle. And I kind of spelled it out

(43:47):
and I said, layoffs, cutbacks, marketing, broadcasting, all the things
that are fan friendly, all while inheriting a lease it
has just three years left. Yes, yes, and yes. It
was a response of one of their insiders down there
that I trust the NBA, WE hope is coming to Seattle.
What worries me is that I believe. I think I

(44:10):
hope that Sam Holloway and the One Roof group will
be the leaders to get a team back. Now, somebody
else could come in and the NBA could say, yeah,
we want to have separate ownership from there, that could happen.
I don't think it will. I think it makes no sense.

(44:30):
I think it's really hard to think about that because
they would have to deal with Sam as far as
the lease is concerned, like she'd be licking her chops, going, Okay,
they didn't give me a team, but you're gonna come
get a lease from me, okay. As the great Rashid Wallace,
the great philosopher Rashid Wallace said CTC cut the check
cost him a lot of money, but it could. And

(44:52):
if they'll let this guy in the league, who else
might they let in the league? Who else may they say? Yeah, Man, absolutely,
come on in. You can own an NBA team. That's
what scares me here now. I feel really emotional about
it because I know a lot of people still work
down there in that organization, in that city. I know
they love their basketball team, and I'd be worried as

(45:13):
hell right now. I'd be terrified right now that that
team's gonna leave. Terrified. And if that's how the NBA
is doing business these days, man, that's a problem letting
this guy in the club. But it's there's just so
many similarities. I'm just I've got these harsh flashbacks to

(45:34):
listening to Graz and Gas that day in six and
I thought to myself, No, no.

Speaker 3 (45:40):
Way, there's no way this is gonna happen.

Speaker 2 (45:42):
There's no way that could happen. Why would that happen?
How could that happen? Well, there's the Sonics. It's our
first team here. They'll never leave. Bennett's going to do
the right thing. Oh wait a second, we're cutting back,
We're cutting our front office. We're getting rid of our
radio play by play guy. We're gonna go off of
a sports station and go on to some weird conservative

(46:05):
no signal at night conservative talk station. We're not gonna
spend one dollar on marketing or advertising. We're gonna basically
do everything we can to get the fans to go
away and not come.

Speaker 3 (46:15):
Don't talk to Kevin Durant.

Speaker 2 (46:16):
By the way, Well, Kevin Durant got They got lucky
with Kevin Durant. They won, they got number two in
the lottery, and the damn lucky they did because I
don't I know Sam Press, he's the smartest man in
America these days. I know everyone thinks he's the smartest guy.
They probably would have done the same thing Portland did.
They would have taken Greg Godin. But they get Kevin
Durant and he goes Oklahoma City that aside, and they
got Jeff Green that same draft, and then Abaka in

(46:38):
Westbrook the next year, who never played here, but and
Harden blah blah blah. But Tom, it's the Tom Dunnet
playbook in Portland is the Clayton Bennett playbook from two
thousand and six. Listening to this station God, I wish
we still had great archives and we could go back
and listen to that, because I'll just never forget listening
to Graz that day and I was just like, oh
my god, no way, Graz, you can't be right.

Speaker 7 (46:59):
He was right. He was right.

Speaker 2 (47:02):
And the terms of the least are what terrify me
the most. Number two on that list. As we get
ready to get our team here, what really worries me
is who the NBA is letting into the club these days.
Hopefully it's Sam Holloway and her group. I'd feel good
about that. If I was a Seattle sports fan, you

(47:23):
got to be rooting for that right now because the
fear of the unknown. There's other people out there that
look at things like there's an investment. Now you get
an expansion team. It's like they're moving their expansion team.
They come here, But how would they run things? How
would they run things? One thing I can tell you
about how they do things out there at kCi with

(47:46):
the arena, the climate plage arena, and the hockey team
and the organization. Yes, they have not won as much
as they should.

Speaker 7 (47:53):
That has to change.

Speaker 2 (47:55):
Jason Bottrel has to change that. This year has to period,
end of story. To me, I think he's got a year.
I've changed coaches enough. This guy's been there since day one.
You gotta win. You got to find a way to win.
Build a better team on the ice, but off the ice,
everything everything that they do that she does, that Todd

(48:16):
la Wiki does that, Victor the Bonus does or Rob
Lentman does, all the people to beyond the scenes that
maybe you don't know that run the show is first
class and it's for the fans. They took a hit
going off of a regional sports network which actually probably
officially crushed route. They took a hit financially to make
it more accessible so you could watch games easier and

(48:37):
create their own network. They cut ticket prices, they cut
concessions for to season ticket holders. They do things the
right way, and they don't have a day in which
they lay seventy five people off in her front office
like this guy just did. The NBA has an issue.

Speaker 7 (48:56):
I'm just.

Speaker 2 (48:59):
It's it's Gary, Like, who are they let in the
club next? Hopefully? Hopefully? But God is the Clayton Bennett playbook?

Speaker 7 (49:05):
Man?

Speaker 2 (49:06):
God is it the Clayton Bennett playbook?

Speaker 4 (49:07):
It is?

Speaker 2 (49:08):
It is right on it is so on point. All right,
I'm not even get to the Oklahoma City Stuff'll get
that tomorrow. Here's what we'll do, come back plenty to
discuss with Los Marineros, the Seattle Mariners. Our guy Joshian
promising better audio quality today.

Speaker 3 (49:27):
I mean we pinky promised.

Speaker 2 (49:31):
This is one hundred percent on Jessamine, Yes it is.
This is one hundred percent on Jesssemin Joshi and Joshian
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I think thanks for our friends at Northwest Hanling Systems.
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of moments as well. Hi Joe, how are you well?

Speaker 10 (50:40):
How do I sound? Ian?

Speaker 2 (50:41):
You sound better? I think you sound better. I think
you sound better.

Speaker 4 (50:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (50:45):
So I'm glad because I'm not sure if you know this,
but I got yelled at last week. Bye come on,
Oh yeah, dude, look, trust me a beautiful money something
yelling at me. That's just a Tuesday for me. I'm
used to that. But I just want to make sure
that I've done this right and I don't have her
met at.

Speaker 2 (51:04):
Here's first of all, welcome to the club.

Speaker 3 (51:09):
I demand greatness from everyone, and welcome.

Speaker 2 (51:11):
Welcome to the club. You know she's got joke. I'll
give you a little I'll give her grace this particular
week because she's got a little bit of an issue going.
On Friday, I lost my show, at least the last
hour of my show. On Friday, I finished last in
the Neighborhood Fantasy Football League. And my punishment is these
guys are going to do an hour of my show.

Speaker 3 (51:33):
On Friday, and Okay, I have to deal with it, Joe.

Speaker 2 (51:38):
So I said to our program director, I said, hey,
this is He's like really like he's as he rolls
his eyes looks at me and I can kind of
read his mind. He's like, it's either you or Softy.
Every day causes me more gray hairs. It's one of
you two. And I'm like, yeah, I'm thinking that too
rich and he says, that's fine.

Speaker 7 (51:55):
Just just is in charge.

Speaker 2 (51:56):
That's that was That's how he left it.

Speaker 7 (51:58):
So I met.

Speaker 2 (51:58):
I said, yes, you're in charge now. Well, these guys
have actually been doing show meetings and prepping and talking
to her several texts, which is more than I ever do, Joe.
So she's a little stressed this week. So I do
appreciate the audio being corrected. And I think we're all
in a good spot right now, except for Jess on Friday.

Speaker 10 (52:16):
Well, back it up a second. How'd you finish last
in the league? Aren't you a sports radio football expert?

Speaker 2 (52:21):
Have you ever done roch history baseball?

Speaker 10 (52:25):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (52:25):
Did you finish first every time?

Speaker 7 (52:28):
What?

Speaker 11 (52:28):
Sorry, you're breaking up.

Speaker 2 (52:31):
Exactly exactly. I don't finish I know. Well, listen, I
got a trophy to my name. I have won money
over the years, but this was this was just a
bad I think there was a little fix on it too,
because it was like weird, little weird, little consolation bracket
stuff that took place. And next thing, you know, hey,
we're doing your show. And I'm like, Okay, that's great.

(52:53):
I got bullied into it. But whatever, what's the worst
that could happen. Well, I guess I could lose my
job anyway. We'll see how I go supposed So, yes,
Jessamine and you have come together.

Speaker 7 (53:02):
Audio is good.

Speaker 2 (53:03):
Here's the other thing, Joe, I should mention with this
before we get into baseball. Every week we get texts
on our text line four nine four five one. People
really enjoy the segment. You you yourself have told me.
People have subscribed to the newsletter since the segment restarted.
They want to hear you. They want to hear you.
So that's a good thing.

Speaker 10 (53:21):
So, jess Am I coming on Friday to replace him then?

Speaker 3 (53:24):
Or what would you like to join us? Because I
could use all the help I could get.

Speaker 2 (53:28):
Now, well, she's gonna have our family, she's gonna have
our fantasy football insider on I think for a segment
or for a few minutes, and now he might be
to blame as much as anything right now, Fundston is
So we'll get to we'll get to his issue later on.
All right, let's get to it's Joe. I'm gonna, I'm gonna.
You wrote about the Mariners, and uh, I think you
told us you could write about them last week right
after we had John, so like the next day it

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got posted under the mirrors. Why is it happening. Let's
let's get into this a little bit, and I'll there's
a couple of other things I want to touch base on,
But what is going on with our baseball team? Yes,
they're coming off a win last night, but swept by
the Padres against everybody besides the Astros. There ten games now,
nine games below five hundred. What does Joe she and
see with this baseball team?

Speaker 10 (54:11):
Yeah, I'm not that worried. If you dig in their
you know, they outscored their opponents by eleven runs, which
means that they're probably more of a slightly above five
hundred team than they've shown. I believe. When I checked
last week there were seven and ten in one run
plus extra in game. So there's six and eleven, so
it must not have been the six and eleven in
one run games. They're one in four in extra inning games.

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It's really just the case of early in the season.
They've lost a lot of close games. Obviously the top
of the lineup not hitting has been a problem for them,
but you look, the back of the lineup has been fantastic.
Rarely Canzone I'm not I mean they will Crawford up
to the leadoff spot now, I mean he's putting up
a three sixty MVP. They have a depth that has
not been there previous year. We used talk about the
Mariners offense and oh it's three Gyalough two guys before

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they got Nailer and nobody else. And now really they
have depth and we're just waiting for the front line
guys to really step up. So I think looking ahead,
I think the Marriers I said start of the year
they were I think the second best team in the
American League. I had the running away with the American
League West. I just don't think all of those things
can be true. Especially they're gonna get healthier here too.
I believe Brash Inspire might be back by the end
of the month, and that's really going to fill this

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problem they've had at the back of the bullpen. We'll
eventually get cal rally back. I do think that we're
going to get better out of nail Or. I think
to Julia Rodriguez, who's this is not his typical first half,
he's actually hitting in the first half. I think if
he can build on that as well. So the standings
are what they are, the record is what they are,
But I would still say the Mariners are clearly the

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favorite in the division that really only has two true contenders.

Speaker 2 (55:40):
The one run stat We brought this up because one
of the things that Scott servis his teams at least
were really good at was winning one run games. Like
they were really good in that. I know you wrote
something about the Saint Louis Cardinals. They're twenty seven to
nineteen one run games, aren't they like like ten ten
and three? Yeah, there is ten and three something ridiculous. Yeah,
do look is that number because we've used that a

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lot in this town service and now with Wilson as
the managers. Are one run games indicative statistically over the
course of a season of anything or is it just luck?
How does that work.

Speaker 10 (56:14):
It's noise. I mean there was a stretch where the say,
the Angels had a good run under Sosia. But if
you just the studies have been done and I wish
I had the links in front of me. Actually, these
studies go back to when we used to print put
things in books. But there is no skill in how
you shape your runs. Teams are teams score runs. They
can prevent runs, but they can't shape and say, okay,

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we're gonna give up three tonight, we're gonna score four,
we're giving up seven, we're gonna get to eight. Teams
just don't have that ability. Baseball would look a lot
different if they did. One run record is the kind
of thing that bounces around a lot from year to year.
If you want to look at the true quality of
a team, you look at their blowouts. Good teams blow
out other teams. Good teams don't play a lot of
one run games. They go out and they just beat people. Now,

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part of that is part factors. Because team Mobile that's
a good pitcher's park. The Marintors play low scoring games.
Low scoring games are more likely to end up as
one run games or go to extra endings. That's one
reason the Mariners have played a lot of one running
games this year. But there's no skill to it. Every
year a team comes out and those ten and three
or twelve and one or somebody else is out there
with a ridiculous record, and oh, well they're clutch hitting

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and they're doing this, and there's no skill involved in
winning one running games. There's a skill. Can I've have
that back on a given night? There's a skill involved,
Like if you hit a double with a runner on first,
that's displaying skill. But is there a special one run
game skill, a special close skill, a special extra ending
game skill. No, there is not. The only significant factor

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we found is that teams with exceptional bullpens can do
better in one run in close games, then you would
project from everything else. If you think about the twenty
fourteen twenty fifteen Royals, you think about the Great Yankee
Dynasty teams, teams with truly exceptional bullpins, or even one
guy who just sets the world on fire. I think
you saw one of them earlier this year with Mason Miller.

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That can help you outperform your expectation of one runing gigs.
But that's pretty much the only thing there. I don't
want to say rand I will say that the performance
in one run games is not a repeatable skill.

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The manager has been a massively hot topic in Seattle,
especially after the weekend in which they did get swept
by only one appearance by Mason Miller. But the San
Diego Padres it's, you know, it's one of those things, Joe,
and you and I have been doing this for a while.
You know, I'll ask you about managers every now and then.
We did our malliwop thing with Nathan and Chris yesterday
and and we, contrary I think popular belief, we're not

(59:02):
always those guys, aren't always out calling for people's heads
or calling for people to be fired. And then even
yesterday they weren't. But there's been a lot of criticism
of Dan Wilson. I brought I brought this part of
it up, Jill. My question is this, is Dan Wilson
the right guy? Is he adequate enough as an in
game manager to lead a team with high expectations that

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was eight outs away from the World Series last season
to at least the ALCS and maybe the World Series
this season. It's a very you know, open editorical question.
I don't know the answer to that. You study this,
you look at this, you know what manager's difference can
and cannot make. What is Joe She and c about
Dan Wilson, who's almost two full years into the job.

Speaker 10 (59:43):
Now, Yeah, we talked about this couple of weeks ago
and I said, you know, managers can learn. So the
fact that Dan Wilson did not have a good October
twenty twenty five doesn't mean he might not have any
good October twenty twenty sixers. Manager's roles have been have
changed a lot. I had a reader actually just asked
me about this, and there's so much more of the
job is weighted towards managing the people and creating a

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buffer between the press and your team. Maybe it's a
little different Seattle than it is in New York or
LA or Chicago. But the job is more soft factors
than hard factors. Whereas you know, even when I started
doing this, we were evaluating managers. How did you run
the bullpen? Did you do a lot of dumb one
run strategies? Who did you put on your roster back
when you had more than four bench guys, back when
you actually had decisions to make in terms of the stuff.

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A lot of those decisions just don't even exist anymore,
or they're done in concert with the front office. I
have a hard time, like, I don't think Wilson has
run a bullpen very well. I also think he doesn't
had two of his top three leaders for a month.
Like I don't think it's necessarily fair to judge him
based on how he's run the bulleten. I don't think
it's fair to judge him, you know, because Josh Naylor

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and cal Rally haven't showed up for the season yet.
I don't really I doubt that's on him. Cal Rally
had sixty home runs a day and Wilson as his
manager last year. The one thing that's going to stick
in my craw here, and Wilson isn't the only one.
Both Alex Cora and uh Pete Tracy have done this
in Boston. We've seen Kurt Suzuki done this, do this
in Anaheim, valuing protecting the veteran ahead of putting your

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best team on the field. And you know where I'm
going with this. The guy who at a homer last night,
Kirk cold Emerson is the best shortstop. Actually, Cole Young
might be the best shortstop on the roster, but for
our purposes here, cold Emerson is the better shortstop. And
I want you to look at how he was used
to the miners he played was an eighty seven percent
of his innings at shortstop and the miners who played
eighty nine percent of them and at shortstop this year.

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He clearly is a short stop. This isn't the case
of a guy who has to move. And I really
want to tag in Chris Crawford here because he might
actually dislike Crawford JP Crawford's defense more than I do.

Speaker 2 (01:01:47):
He does, but by the way he does.

Speaker 10 (01:01:51):
We've been talking about this, I think for a year now,
and he's valuing the soft actors. Crawford's position on that
team is being a veteran as being somebody who's been
the shortstop for playoff teams is a big hits. Valuing
that over having the best defense. Now, in the short term,
he'd probably get away with that because there's not a

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roster issue. But I'm looking ahead a month and it
might be a month until Brendan Donovan comes back, and
I don't know what this looks like once Dunnavan comes back,
because Cole Young it doesn't look like much, but it's
basically league average hitting and plus plus plus defense. If
Emerson hits, he's got to stay up. Yes, Crawford's got
to stay in. Like Trawnford is a three sixteen OPP.
I'm not trying to bench the guy. I just want it.

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I would really just like to see him switch with Emerson.
Railly and can Zone are hitting it. You can't take
them out of the lineup. I'm really wondering what we
do in a month when Donovan's ready to come back, who,
by the way, hasn't has completely thrown up at third base.
Was he had not played much third base in the
last three years, and it's shown. I don't know how
what this all looks like in a month. But that's

(01:02:54):
really what I'm curious about. So I think for now
you can get away with Emerson at third and Crawford
at short. But I do think the pressure on that
decision is going to come. It's going to go up
once everybody is healthy.

Speaker 2 (01:03:03):
They've got two guys that probably should DH, Randy Euros
Arena and JP Crawford. Like those those two guys should
probably DH, But like you said, I mean there's still
other holes in the lineup. The kid hits a three
run home run last night. You know, he has not
looked over matched in his at bats in his two games,
you know, small sample size, and that's cold Emerson obviously.

(01:03:24):
Cole Young's I don't see he's regressed. He's he's cooled
down a little bit from his hot start. But you know,
like you said, gives you a good defense at second base.
And this is a team, Joe, if I'm not mistaken,
it needs to be somewhat reliant on good defense, right
because of how reliant they are in their pitching staff.

Speaker 10 (01:03:41):
Well, and that's one of the reasons the Crawford is
she keeps coming up. I ran some numbers last week
there I believe they had the worst infield defense in
baseball by stack cast measures outs above average. They were
giving up the highest batting average in baseball on ground
balls to the left side Crawford and dunnavan mostly. This
is a real problem for a team that's going to

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that really can't afford to give up that much defensively.
You can say it's it's just a difference in I
think what I don't know Ian, You know, I'm open
about the fact that I'm an outsider here. Is it
the team thinks Crawford's better than he is defensively or
they're just exceeding to the fact that he's a Veteran's
two different evaluations there. They may just think Crawford's better

(01:04:24):
than he is, and I mean, I got a whole
stack of numbers here that tells me, no, he's not.
He's run right now today. He's not as good a
defensive shortstop as col Dickerson is. So if you're gonna play,
you're gonna play Emerson on the right and Crawford on
the left. Just can see that you're giving up, You're
going to be giving up based runners.

Speaker 2 (01:04:39):
You don't have to give up, yeah, I think, And
I'll just wrap up that with this, I think it's
a couple of things. One the Dan Wilson parks that
ties into that. I think Dan Wilson's relationships in the
in the clubhouse, from my understanding and everything, are just awesome.
Like he's he's a very popular guy amount the players.
That was not the case with Scott's service. And on
top of all of that, yeah, JP Crawford as a veteran,
as a leader, leader of the infield, I think they'd

(01:05:01):
be reluctant to make those moves. But like you said
in a few now, the only with Donovan is Donovan
just coming off that sports herneia, has not been healthy
this year, and you know, I'm not sure if there's
any reason to believe he will be healthy this year
where he can string together a couple months straight without
going back on the injured list. So some of those
things may take care of themselves along the way. But
I think what you insinuated, yeah, I think that's I

(01:05:22):
think that's part of it is just the respect given
to the veteran that is JP Crawford, and he is
hitting and he's getting on base, and that's a really
important thing.

Speaker 10 (01:05:30):
This is something that is more modern baseball than you know,
thirty years ago than when I did it, or about
fifty years There's a lot more difference to the guy
who's been there. There's a lot more if you're Dan Wilson,
people management as opposed to baseball player management. I'm not
saying good, bad, or and different of saying that the
decision tree in twenty twenty six is a hell of
a lot different than it would have been nineteen eighty six.

Speaker 2 (01:05:52):
Joshian joining us right now, Jochian newsletter. You wrote about
cal Rawley. You know, one of the things that Dan
Wilson cannot control is the fact that that cal Raley
has not been not even close to what he was
last season. They finally put him on the injured list,
but even before he had the oblique injury that which
we saw happen on a couple of occasions, but even
before that he wasn't hitting. You wrote about him a

(01:06:15):
little bit. What do you tell Mariner fans about cal Rawley?
And we know he probably wasn't gonna hit sixty one
home runs again, but what do you tell him about where.

Speaker 7 (01:06:22):
This guy is?

Speaker 10 (01:06:23):
We had talked about it. I was I three a
bunch of numbers at your last week about how he
was getting blown away by fastballs. He just looked like
a guy who was tired. And it was a thing
where if he was thirty four years old, you might
just say, well, this is what happens to a thirty
four year old. He's twenty nine. He's coming off this
monster season hitting fastball, so it's really a shock. And
I throughout the idea. You know, last year cal Raley
played until October twentieth. He always carried. He's caught more

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innings than any americanly catched over the last three years,
and then last year he went into October. And then
this spring he caught the WBC like he didn't have
a normal slow ramp up to his spring. He only
caught three games. But let's face it, catching the WBC
is a different task than catching in.

Speaker 7 (01:07:00):
The Cactus League.

Speaker 10 (01:07:01):
And what I was thinking is she say it's just fatigue.
I think he just is tired and this isn't WBC
roomed to guy. It's playing until October twentieth and then
coming back and starting playing again on March third might
have had some some effects. I think he's just tired.
This guy has been worked very hard, even though he
hasn't caught in recent years, he's DHD a lot. He's

(01:07:21):
just carried an enormous load. I think we've seen that
kind of catch up to him a little bit in
the spring. I said last weekend, you'll give the Dodge
a vacation, whether it's the bleak or it's.

Speaker 2 (01:07:29):
The air quotes of bleak, Yes.

Speaker 10 (01:07:32):
Yeah, give a week and a half off. And I
thought I saw a note the other day is going
to go to Arizona against the Matte Batson. Yeah, let's
give him a reset, give him the reset he didn't
get this winter, and let him go out and go
back and be not twenty twenty five cal rally. That
guy's gone, but go back into twenty three to twenty
four cal rally, hit two thirty with whatever you want

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to pro rate thirty home runs two over four months.
I can do math it's twenty two home runs and
be that great defensive anchor and be the guy who
here's the other thing. It's going to be harder for
them to d H him on the days he doesn't catch.
You mentioned a rozarraina Dunna Ben. I don't know if
he's going to be able to play in the field.
You've got Kensel, You've got you just have a lot
of bats now who you don't necessarily want to put

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on the bench, whereas in the past they needed rally
to take those at bats. Maybe now okay, now he's
just going to catch five days a week and he's
going to get rest on those other two days.

Speaker 2 (01:08:24):
A one hundred percent agree, Joshian. Before I let you go,
you mentioned briefly just Mason Miller. I just I don't
know how deeply you've looked at some of the things
he does, number wise and everything else. And you know,
I watching him on Friday. He didn't pitch in the
final two games. They didn't need him in the final
two games of the series. I have an affinity for him.
Just so you know, my son has Type one diabetes

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and was an athlete and a college athlete, and so
you know, I know the challenges that that entails. I
love the fact that he openly embraces Mason Miller, the
fact that he can help young people and be a
role model. I love everything about him. By the way,
we've seen so many, so many great relief pictures over
the years. What is it about him that separates Mason

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Miller from other guys.

Speaker 10 (01:09:09):
I don't want to be too simplistic about this, but
the guy throws one oh three. This is one of
those where I don't need to give you the deep
sabermetric answer.

Speaker 7 (01:09:17):
Yes, he throws one oh three.

Speaker 10 (01:09:18):
Oh and by the way, he also a ridiculous slidery
He froze mac Nex Monsey est at the end of
the game last night Dodger's got he walked the first
two guys, struck out the next three or strikeout, pop up,
strike out, and he froze Max Munsey with a slider
like right down eight, and Monsey just didn't know what
to do. I mean, when you have those two weapons,
when you've got to make guys rev up for one

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oh three and then you can throw your slider. He
can throw for strikes like he did a Monzie, and
he can also throw the two to one that's seventeen
feet from the plate that the guy has to swing
at because well it might be one oh three. Great
relievers only need really those two. But they have been
great four pitch relievers before. But when you have those
two weapons, you've got one of the great reliever peaks
of all time. And he's had some command issues late.

(01:10:00):
The strike out rates dropped, I think down to last
fifty eight percent or something. But it's just he's really
he's almost unhittable, like he's going to give up some walks. Yeah,
and maybe somebody runs into when I saw a Lei
Soso run into one off of last year. But you're
talking about a guy who's probably gonna have one of
the great reliever seasons up there with Eckersley ninety, Don

(01:10:20):
Ye three, Wade Davis fourteen. I mean, this is going
to end up being one of the greatest reliever seasons
of all time. And let's enjoy because these guys tend
to burn fast and hot. Chapman's an exception, Nathan Rivera Hoffmann.
But for guys to be this absolutely dominant with this
kind of strikeout rate, it tends to be a one
or two year phenomenon. You look at Kimbell's striking out

(01:10:40):
half the battery faced Hater's done it. I want to say,
Chapman's done it. You know, familiar to do that. Let's
let's enjoy when he's supposed to watch me, like I'll
be tracking games late at night and hoping the padres
don't tack on runs, yes, so that it'll remain a
safe situation. So he'll come in. And you know, I
knew he had diabetes, I didn't know he actually was
that active terms very much reaching out. And that's fantastic

(01:11:02):
to hear. It's you know, it's cci. I don't want
to get to saccharin or anything here, but you know,
we not everybody looks the ballplayers for that anymore looks
to athletes for that. And one of them takes it
upon himself to do that, and that's a wonderful thing.

Speaker 2 (01:11:16):
Yeah, we have one guy here, Jordan Morris, soccer player
for the Sounders, played for the US men's national team.
He does the same thing. And I think, you know,
it's one of those things, is one of those diseases
and and and disabilities frankly that if you know you
can overcome it, you can do what you need to do.
And sometimes you just need that little inspiration to look
to and and he does that and plus on the
same way, like I I want the Mariners to win.
I'm a Seattle guy. I was disappointed he didn't pitch

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the last two games.

Speaker 10 (01:11:40):
I want to see him.

Speaker 2 (01:11:41):
They want to see him. That's how great I like,
you know you like greatness along the way, Uh, speaking
of greatness not just your audio today, sir, but also
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stories in baseball. Yeah, even the fact that the National
League is blank slapping the American League is a great story.
I mean that's creating situation where like you've got teams
that currently, if the season ended today, would be under
five hundred in the playoffs. Now we dodged that bullet
in ninety four, but there's actually a chance we're going
to have a SOMEB five hundred playoff team coming out
of the American League this year. I just things like that.

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So you know, you've got Otani, who the only thing
he hasn't done yet is want to say an award,
and he's got a chance to go out and win
to say an award. This year, you've got this incredible
crop of rookies. I don't need to tell you about
Colt Emerson, but Kevin McGonagall, JJ Weatherholt, Connor Griffith. It's
just it's it's it's fun for me. The newsletter turned
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Speaker 10 (01:13:02):
Now, I'm not gonna be able to teach e other
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to New York things. But yeah, it's it's it's an
exciting time. So I was I mentioned I was right
the other day about it. I'm like, I still get
excited about writing for ball. I still get excited to
go on the air with you and with Lee Bilina
and DC dan Burns in Texas and dan Burnsty in
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and hope you'll be the next one.

Speaker 2 (01:13:36):
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We love that you figured it out. Only took two years.
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game seven, Alex new Hook scores Montreal advances. They'll take
on Carolina in the Eastern Conference Finals starting on Thursday.
New Hook, by the way, allows Montreal to become the
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three years. Young hockey team on the rise. Full tender
probably carried him a little bit this this playoff so far.
There's a chance he's one of the guys filling in
on Friday doing the Friday Show. My Buddydarren hennythink pointing
this out. So if it's if it's the Carolina Hurricanes

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in the Colorado Avalanche in the Stanley Cup Finals, that's
basically the Quebec Nordeeks and the Hartford Whalers to relocated Taylor,
two relocated teams, which kind of makes me sick to
my stomach. That's why I hate both those teams. They're
both relocated teams, and Carolina is owned by Tom Dunnan,
who I really don't like. So here's what I'm hoping
for Montreal, lahabitant, let's go get a win, get a win.

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Interest I believe that was Also, this is crazy because
Montreal's kind of although they haven't won a standing Cup
in zillionaires, but kind of the Yankees of the NHL
in a lot of ways. Well, just terms of the
history and the banners they've raised. They had never they
had never had a game seven overtime win on the
road in their franchise history before tonight last Yeah, they

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threw that out there on Hockey Night Canada last night. Okay,
there we go. One of the note from National Hockey
before we get to the top of the hour and
maybe hopefully have John ln join us hopefully. Have you
texted him? Have you touched base with him?

Speaker 3 (01:16:45):
We're good, yes, several times.

Speaker 2 (01:16:46):
Okay. One other note. Adam Foot out as the head
coach in Vancouver. He was fired today along with his
entire coaching staff. They retaining a chunk of their front
office Cammi Granado among others, but they let Adam Foot go,
not a surprise. So the Canucks making a coaching change
as well. So there's a few coaching openings out there
in the NHL right now. Not in Seattle. Helleverre Lane

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Lambert is of course expected back for it next season.
Now that your daily power play again, one night without hockey,
playoff hockey night kind of bomb. Luckily got maner baseball,
and then it resumes tomorrow with game one in the
Western Conference Final the Avalanche in the Vegas Golden Knights Vegas,
by the way, find one hundred thousand dollars lost their
second round draft pick this year because of violations with

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media availability after their last game in Anaheim. It lost
a draft pick over that second round pick. It tells
you they've been pissing the NHL off for a while.
They appealed the NHL game in the middle finger today,
so they indeed will be fine hundred grand and lose
that second round pick.

Speaker 4 (01:17:44):
I mean the money I get, but losing a draft
pick that's impactful.

Speaker 2 (01:17:48):
Follow the rules, man, well, yeah, all the rules. Follow
the rules. You're a rules breaker, all right, Catholic school.
Don't be a rules breaker, I know exactly, all right, Lund. Next,
the worst one was you'll love this. We came back.
WrestleMania was in Seattle at t Mobile Park or safe

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Coat at the time. Right that the WrestleMania one year,
and we came up here, my co host and we
had a whole bunch of us came up here from
the radio station, Gavin the whole group. Right, We're all
up here for the weekend, staying like you know, five
people sleeping on a floor in a hotel and and
uh Laura, Queen Anne and we get back. So that
night we go to the we go to the WrestleMania.
We get back like at two two thirty in the morning,

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and you know, crash at like you know, you fall asleep.
After an hour, all of a sudden, my phone's ringing
and it's our old PD, your buddy Alan Davis, the Canadian,
and it's all Davis. It's like and I look, I
look at I look, I look at my I look

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at the He's like and it's it's like four forty five.
I've maybe been asleep for an hour and a half, goes,
I need you to come into the morning show. Cowards.
Collins's not feeling well, and I was like, I'm not
feeling well. Like I'm not feeling well either, Like I
like when I say not feeling well, like we had
a good time to wrestle me like we we know,

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and I'm like, he's like I need to come in.
I'm like, oh my god, So I had to go
in and do that show. And I was like, you know,
in typical Colling, like you know, he he had the sniffles,
like he wasn't really sick. He just decided you want
to go in, right, But we had nobody like it.
Who else was going to do it? We had anybody there. Yeah,
I was brutal, like morning shows. I'm speaking of Portland.
I don't know if you saw that the worst owner

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of sports laid off like half the front office for
the Blazers today.

Speaker 9 (01:19:37):
Just you know what, and not that I you know, obviously,
I know, I know we're sitting here talking in Seattle,
but I don't get it. Man like Mark Cuban, for example,
couldn't get vested to buy the Chicago Cubs, who have
turned into they're a super cheap team. They own their
own network and like that they're owned by the Ricketts family.
Not that anybody cares, but my point here is is
that how do they let these kind of guys in

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the league.

Speaker 7 (01:20:00):
They just decide from a business point, Well, this guy's
not gonna be Yeah, this guy's not gonna be a
threat to me, so it might as well let him in.

Speaker 9 (01:20:06):
I mean, wouldn't you want Maybe I'm wrong here, wouldn't
you want the strongest owners you could possibly have rather
than these weak ass guys that are gonna like Nikolin
died the whole Phoenix story where it's like he made
the team check out of the hotel.

Speaker 7 (01:20:19):
Obviously, this is gonna be a major problem for the Blazers.
This looks like and I'm sorry to bring this up,
but this looks.

Speaker 9 (01:20:24):
Like clay Bennett all over again, where there's a guy
that doesn't even really care and he's trying to do
the whole what's that major league that you know, the
woman who on the the Indians do the whole thing? Like,
it looks like he's trying to just tank the team, piss.

Speaker 7 (01:20:37):
Everybody off, and move him.

Speaker 2 (01:20:38):
Yeah, you know, nobody wants to see her naked, though
they do won't to see her naked either, but yeah, yeah,
it's yeah, no, no, no, Well but listen, you're right,
it's the Clayton Bennett playbook.

Speaker 7 (01:20:48):
That guy, it is.

Speaker 2 (01:20:50):
It totally is it's the it's the exact playbook. And
here's the crazy thing. The least is exactly the same
is when Bennett brought the it's three years left on it.
They're trying to get all the stuff done and they're
almost to the finish line to get everything improved from
the state, the county, and the city. But I don't
know it reeks. Somebody I'm to retweeted that one of
the stories at the Brenna or kans On or Dwight

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or somebody had done down there, and somebody pointed out,
like the NBA's inability to take care of the Northwest
is mind boggling. I believe between the Vancouver, between the
Vancouver Grizzlies and allowing that to happen, the Clayton Bennett
buying from Howard Schultz, allowing that to happen, allowing this
guy who's just frankly, he's just a cheap bat owner
to buy the Blaze, like they they just don't care

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about the Northwest in any way shape.

Speaker 9 (01:21:34):
I take a step further, the guy who owns Renadive,
the guy who owns the Kings a piece of garbage.

Speaker 7 (01:21:41):
I mean, he just he was part of the ownership
group of the Warriors, and he just runs that team
into the ground.

Speaker 9 (01:21:46):
And then this new GM, new GM, next GM, new GM.
I mean, they don't have a clue what they're doing.
That's another guy that just it's it's the whole corridor
there where I just don't get it. Like I understand
that there's an approval problem, but there's a lot of
people that would do such a better job. Aren't you
trying to make your league as strong as it possibly
could be? Or these owners just like, yeah, let's just

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I don't care if you know, we get a fee
or whatever we get, we get this money. We don't care.
We just we just want the most money possible. I
just answered my own question. I get that, But still
you would think that you would want the strongest ownership
you could possibly have in every city, which makes every
team better.

Speaker 2 (01:22:23):
You brought him up. That's interesting because so I went
back to as you're saying that, I went back to look,
so I think it was twenty ten. I think it
was two years after the Sonics left. Is when is
when Ronda Dve bought the Kings, right, And that was
when he bought it. Because the guy up here Chris
Hansen was trying to buy it, and I think and
I believe Balmer would have been involved as well, because

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because Chris Hansen didn't have the money.

Speaker 7 (01:22:48):
He was a not krin answer from NBC, Right, no, no,
not the guy find the tree?

Speaker 2 (01:22:54):
How did you sit over here? Do you want some
kool Aids left?

Speaker 7 (01:22:59):
Yeah? That was always so great when they got that guy.
It's just like.

Speaker 2 (01:23:04):
Nothing, nothing, It's gonna have a gonna have a piece
of pizza and have some kool aid have Asda's twelve
years old.

Speaker 3 (01:23:12):
That's great a Mickey mouse.

Speaker 2 (01:23:14):
Warn do you see that guy? You walk into a
room and see that guy, you know you're done. I
was like the guys that try to like the guys
who trying to run.

Speaker 9 (01:23:22):
I love when they run because then all the cops
are outside and guy makes them pass the door and
then they just turf from right.

Speaker 2 (01:23:27):
They want him to run. They like, please, please, just
make a run for it. Just give me a gimme,
just give me. Yeah, take a run at it. That's
a that's a freebie, that's a free well, so he
bought so in twenty if you remember, that was in
twenty ten ish, right when that all that stuff went down,

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and we're trying to get the building built, and I mean, look,
I think there were so many flaws to the plan
here for the building and everything like that. It was
kind of a point. But remember that's when David Stern
stepped in. He gets on a DV to buy the team.
As you're saying that, I just looked back, John. They
have been to the playoffs one time since that, since
he bought the team and they lost in the first round.

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They have been to the playoffs only one time since
the two thousand and six two thousand and seven. In
twenty years, they've been to one playoff in the NBA.

Speaker 7 (01:24:20):
What as well.

Speaker 9 (01:24:22):
The only reason they're still there is because that's all
there is in Sacramento. That's their only team, and so
they'll just come out. I mean, you and I both
worked in one market towns. I mean Utah with the
Jazz obviously with the Blazers. I mean they just, you know,
they just they love their team and so they just
almost blindly follow the team. And in Sacramento, I think
it's even more hardcore than that.

Speaker 7 (01:24:43):
I mean, they just love it. They just love their team,
so that.

Speaker 9 (01:24:46):
That owner is really lucky but honestly, if we rank
the owners in the NBA, he'd have to be considered
for last. He's just he's awful. He's just he's way
two hands on anyway, point is is that you've got
this guy in Portland, you got this guy in like,
I don't get it, you know, And that's what I
think the NFL and you know, to speak to the Seahawks.
I mean, I think the NFL they're not going to
do that. I just they will vet their owner better.

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And I don't know why the NBA doesn't do the same.

Speaker 2 (01:25:10):
Well, the NFL's in a decent job too of getting
rid of bad owners, right. They got rid of the guy,
the racist, misogynist puke in Carolina. They got rid of him.
And speaking of which all the above, Daniel Snyder, they
got rid of him. And then when Bezels tried to
buy it, they didn't want they want Bazils part of
the club. They said, no, we're going to get this
other guy for the commanders. So like, the NFL does
a decent job that I didn't bring this up early

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because you know, my concern with the NBA is I
believe it is coming back, and I believe you know,
the leader in the clubhouse to own the team will
be the people that Sam Holloway and and her group
won roof, They're gonna be the ones. They run the
crack in they own the crack and they do that.
I mean off ice, everything's first class. Yeah, they need
to win more on the ice. We get that they
run the building, they control the building. All that's good.

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What if the somebody else comes in. I have no
faith in the NBA at all. If it's not Sam
and her group, I have no faith in the NBA
at all that they'll have somebody come and it's any good.
This is a great example with Portland, Like I've got
no faith that the NBA will do the right thing,
especially with how they've treated these like we just said
the Northwest Corridor.

Speaker 9 (01:26:09):
Yeah, and it's it's Look, everybody talks about bias, and
we've been all over the country doing this this media stuff,
and you know, there's no doubt about it.

Speaker 7 (01:26:18):
I just I get confused the whole thing.

Speaker 9 (01:26:19):
And I think the worst case scenario for Seattle would
be is we can see as we talk about Vegas
and Seattle getting a team, I think they're both going
to get a team. I think they both deserve, you know,
not existing teams. So I wonder where Portland's gonna go.
I mean, they're gonna put Portland in Seattle with that guy,
with that joker.

Speaker 7 (01:26:34):
That's no good. It's almost better to not have.

Speaker 9 (01:26:37):
A team, because I got to believe that in Vegas.
You know again, I think in Vegas and Seattle both,
I don't think you're going.

Speaker 7 (01:26:43):
To take an existing team. I think that's stinks. I
think it's stinks taken obviously, as you well know.

Speaker 9 (01:26:48):
You guys will know that in Seattle like it just
you should be able to start from fresh. And I
certainly wouldn't want that guy in Portland known.

Speaker 2 (01:26:54):
In my team.

Speaker 7 (01:26:55):
He's already shown it.

Speaker 9 (01:26:56):
I mean, think about this, He's this is just the
surface for this guy. He just got to control of
the team. What is it going to do in the future,
He's going to be the cheapest guy in the NBA.
They're going to turn into the Kings or whatever, and
then it's always going to be a constant discussion about,
you know, whether they're going to keep the team, because
to me, the Blazers fans, as good as they are,
they're not the Kings. They won't just blindly go to
the game like Kings fans do.

Speaker 7 (01:27:15):
I don't think they'll do.

Speaker 2 (01:27:16):
That in Portland. No John Lynn joining us. So the
NFL today announced the couple things. One, they are starting
in twenty twenty seven, they'll increase the cap on international
games from eight to ten. It's actually eleven because the
Jags play game every year at Wimbley, they don't count that,
so basically eight, so it'll be eleven games. They're on

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track to have sixteen. Everybody play one game. That probably
puts us on track for an eighteen game regular season.
More international games, John, more internas, we're traveling more here
we go.

Speaker 7 (01:27:50):
I think there's two things. First of all, there's no
doubt about it. I think that there's going the reason
why they're going to this.

Speaker 9 (01:27:56):
Nice even ten and look, we all know this. It's
all about money, and it's all about sales, and it's
all about revenue. I think that what they're going to
do is they're going to open these ten games up
to one of the streaming services to pay a boatload
of money to say, you know, you're not getting five games,
seven games, nine games, you're getting ten games.

Speaker 7 (01:28:12):
So that's going to be an astronomical amount of money.

Speaker 9 (01:28:15):
And I think all ten eventually are going to go
to a streaming service or multiple streaming services, and that's
going to be their big thing these international games. So
that's going to be number one and then number two.
As you said, what people don't understand because I've covered
a couple of these, Like we've talked about in the past,
it's just not easy. It's not easy to come back
from these Like the Seahawks obviously, you know. I mean
they were in Germany, right and you know they've they've

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done these games before. It's just really hard. Because I've
said this to you before. We for one of the
games in London. You fly to New England.

Speaker 7 (01:28:43):
When I was with the Raiders, you.

Speaker 9 (01:28:44):
Probably to New England or you're in Boston. Then you're
there and you're all hanging out with the players and
then we all go on the plane and then they
tell you you got to stay up.

Speaker 7 (01:28:52):
I mean, look, it's rough.

Speaker 9 (01:28:54):
And they got smoked by Miami in one of the games,
and they came back and they're the Raiders, so they
stunk and they lost again. But you know, we talk
them at the end of the season and it's just
it's a grind. I mean, it just going over there
as a grind. And when they say that a team
could play over there, I just think it would be
way too difficult. So I think it's funny that the
NFL talks about these kind of things, but the reality
is is they're just doing it for money.

Speaker 7 (01:29:14):
You and I talked about this last week.

Speaker 9 (01:29:16):
It's not like these countries are you know, it's going
to overtake soccer or anything like that. It's going to
be there's a revenue here, don't get me wrong. But
the revenue that they want to do is they want
to get the big buzz and then they want to
sell this to the streaming networks and say, look we've
got a nice even number ten. So it's not about
player safety, it's not about player rest, it's not about
it just goes back to the almighty dollar, which look,

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I get it, but it's not like these countries are
clamoring for NFL football as they claim, because that's just
not the case.

Speaker 2 (01:29:43):
The one thing I did like though, that they came
up with is so they awarded the new Nissan Stadium,
which they're doing in Nashville, they awarded them the Super
Bowl in twenty thirty. So the next Super Bowls are
Sofi Stadium this coming season twenty twenty seven, Merceity's Been
Stadium in Atlanta in twenty twenty eight, Allegiance Stadium in
Vegas in twenty twenty nine. I don't know why you
don't just have it there every year, to be honest

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with you.

Speaker 7 (01:30:04):
Yeah, right, and it is really awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:30:07):
Yeah, And in twenty thirty New Nieces on same So
the next four have been decided after twenty thirty, no
set information. Twenty thirty one, there will be the next one,
so at least for the next four years. Here's like
it's domestic, like because you know, you know what, you know,
they're looking at Wimbley, right, you know they're looking at Wimbley,
And what the hell time would it be there? Like

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that's the problem with Wimbley. Like we're all used to
having the Super Bowl at a certain time, right, I
mean I am. I don't know about you. I I
like the three to thirty Pacific time, six thirty on
the East Coast. It's primetime on the East Coast. It's
it's perfect in that regard, Like we don't need we
don't need to have a sea. Right. We don't need
to have like a a six am super Bowl, right,

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just for a money ground.

Speaker 7 (01:30:50):
Imagine that's what want to do. Stay up. People would
just stay up.

Speaker 9 (01:30:55):
Like not maybe not if your team wasn't in it
or something like that. But like you said, they don't
care about the fans. They don't care about anything but
the revenue of it. So if they had a game
over there, you're right, they probably started some cockamami time
and then we'd all be you know, they'd be like,
come on, man, and they would try to sell it like, well, jeez,
if you start drinking it, you know, four in the morning.

Speaker 7 (01:31:12):
And then you know, you go to bed and you
have a nice you know, it's.

Speaker 2 (01:31:18):
No, it's just super You gotta have your day. You
got to get ready for the day. You gotta cook,
you gotta eat, you gotta prep. You got so London,
London's eight hours ahead of us on the East coast,
so different, so that they to make it doable. Probably
for them, the game would be probably at at the
latest what eleven or eleven thirty Pacific time for the

(01:31:38):
Super Bowl. Yeah, ridiculous, it can't work.

Speaker 7 (01:31:41):
God, you can't do that. But they're gonna do it.

Speaker 9 (01:31:43):
I mean, every time we talk about something that no,
they can't do that, then they do.

Speaker 2 (01:31:46):
Well. I think you right every day, but I think
it's crazy. I think you're right. With the streaming though,
like and I don't. I haven't looked at I haven't
seen the numbers, and I think the numbers are hard
because it's streaming, so they kind of keep the streaming
numbers to the close to the vest. But the you know,
like the NBA had Game seven of Detroit and Cleveland.
Now a game ended up being awful, right, Like, it
was awful game, but they had Game seven. They had

(01:32:07):
Game seven Sunday night, and that thing was and it
kind of ended up being standalone because Sunday night baseball
was early er. The hockey game that night was early. No,
there was a hockey game that night, right, yeah, because
they played Monday, so they kind of had a standalone game.
They had a standalone playoff game that started basically you
could watch the entire second half even if you're a
baseball fan. But it was a standalone game. But it

(01:32:29):
was on it was on Prime. Like I saw people
losing their mind. Now, first of all, the Prime thing,
I don't everyone has Prime, and if you don't have Prime,
then that means you're not watching Thursday night football because
Thursday that football change Prime, right, But still the whole
streaming thing. I wonder how that's worked out for the NBA,
because the NBA seems to be of all the leagues,
the most gest you're a big NBA fan, does the

(01:32:50):
NBA seem to be It seems to be the most
confusing of all the sports right now because is it
on Prime? Is it on Peacock where the playoff game?

Speaker 7 (01:32:59):
You know? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:33:01):
Yeah, you know the way know, just just watching stuff
on a in a gray area that she'll not be
talked about. Yeah, it's it's a different deal.

Speaker 7 (01:33:09):
But but.

Speaker 3 (01:33:12):
I have John, I have ways.

Speaker 2 (01:33:14):
She has one of those little sketchy boxes that are
highly illegal, and someday a bunch of people they're not
somebody's going to show up at her house and some
got the g man are going to show up with
the black suits, the black tie, the sunglasses.

Speaker 3 (01:33:28):
They'll have to deal with my husband.

Speaker 2 (01:33:30):
We're gonna go where's Jess at have you seen Jess
for the last week? No, no idea.

Speaker 3 (01:33:34):
I'm not very highly kidnappable.

Speaker 2 (01:33:36):
I'm well we'll see. I mean, listen, when the cable
companies and Direct TV and Fubo and YouTube TV aren't
liking you, you never know they got some juice they got.

Speaker 7 (01:33:47):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:33:47):
I have a copper pipe and my husband gave me
two years ago and it's still in my front seat.

Speaker 2 (01:33:52):
Okay, well good luck on that one.

Speaker 7 (01:33:55):
You know you're right though, because the thing is, the
NBA used to be so simple. It was either on
TNT or it was on ESPN.

Speaker 2 (01:34:02):
Like that was it.

Speaker 7 (01:34:02):
Because the locals Now, even in the first round, the
locals go away. In the NBA.

Speaker 9 (01:34:05):
There's no local first round like there used to be
so everything. But now you just don't know where the
whole thing is now, as far.

Speaker 7 (01:34:11):
As the NFL is concerned, and I know a lot
of people are.

Speaker 9 (01:34:14):
You can at me all you want, but the reality
is if you can't find it by now, then you're
just some old person that's like, you know, like my
mom or something that's constantly calling me.

Speaker 7 (01:34:24):
I can't figure it out. It's constant. Everybody knows what
I'm talking about. Your parents are constantly calling your dad
or your mom or whatever.

Speaker 9 (01:34:32):
And it's like, look, man, it's on Prime. Everybody has Prime.
It's on Netflix. Everybody has Netflix.

Speaker 7 (01:34:37):
Now, look if it's on Peacock or something, I can't
help you. I'm not sorry Peacock, but I'll go to
a sports bar or something. But we know this is
the way it's going to go.

Speaker 2 (01:34:46):
And this is the way that life works in general,
and this is what.

Speaker 9 (01:34:49):
We have and everything is evolving to certain things and
people can kick and scream and whatever, but the NFL
has made it abundantly clear that this is what they're
going to do.

Speaker 7 (01:34:57):
Like you and I got into this. They're playing games every.

Speaker 9 (01:35:00):
Day, but Tuesday. Next year, they're gonna add a Tuesday.
That's they're gonna play seven games a week, days a week.

Speaker 7 (01:35:04):
They don't care. They want, they want to rule the world.

Speaker 9 (01:35:08):
They're gonna play on you know, Thanksgiving Eves. They're gonna
play on Thanksgiving. They're gonna play on This is it.
This is what they want because they know there's revenue
out there and it's the almighty dollar and they're just
not gonna stop.

Speaker 7 (01:35:19):
And then at some point, and this is gonna be
unfortunate when it gets there, but they're gonna put a
lot of it.

Speaker 9 (01:35:24):
You know, Super Bowl might be on pay per view
or whatever the case may be, whatever is the model
that makes them the most revenue.

Speaker 7 (01:35:30):
They don't care about player safety, they don't care about rest,
they don't care about fans. They care about revenue period,
end of story. They don't care about competitive like, oh,
you can't play this team in that you can't. They
don't care. It's not about the champion. It's about how
much money they can get. That's all they care about.

Speaker 2 (01:35:46):
In the NFL is the one league, though, I think
you'd agree NFL is the one league out of the
big four. They can do whatever the hell they want.
They're the one.

Speaker 7 (01:35:53):
Here's what's dangerous though, Here here's what I think is dangerous.

Speaker 9 (01:35:56):
They can push around in networks all they want. So
like Fox asked to have them, like before before the NFL,
what was Fox like the Simpsons and America's most wanted.

Speaker 3 (01:36:05):
And like that was it?

Speaker 7 (01:36:06):
Like that's they got that. That kind of that changed
the whole network. You've got to have the NFL now,
but the.

Speaker 9 (01:36:12):
Screaming services don't. And I think that's what's really interesting
is Netflix doesn't need the NFL and Prime doesn't need
the NFL.

Speaker 7 (01:36:18):
Bezos needs the NFL. He doesn't. He likes having it
because all of his rich friends and he's like, I
have the NFL though, as they're sitting on a yacht.

Speaker 9 (01:36:27):
But that's where this kind of gets really interesting, is
the networks have to have it that the streaming services don't.

Speaker 7 (01:36:33):
But they'll pay for it. They'll pay the most money though, regardless.

Speaker 2 (01:36:36):
Will all right, uh, National TV, our national radio, national stuff,
Westwood one. People can't hear you there.

Speaker 9 (01:36:45):
Yeah, Saturday, Sunday, Monday morning, Like I'm on a ton
so yeah, we get tons of calls, lots of people
talking hawks, a lot of people angry about the Mariners.
And we've we've got this built in. It's been it's cool.

Speaker 7 (01:36:56):
We go over the.

Speaker 9 (01:36:57):
Country in Canada and all that, but I will consistently
get calls from Seattle on and and and surrounding cities
all weekend long, and I'm very.

Speaker 7 (01:37:07):
Grateful for it. I'll talk because of you.

Speaker 2 (01:37:09):
I appreciate.

Speaker 7 (01:37:10):
Yeah, I hate, I hate to give you any credit.

Speaker 3 (01:37:11):
No, it probably painted Jeff Bezos voice. Again, that was
kind of funny.

Speaker 7 (01:37:17):
Where's that pipe you bring up with you walk around
that thing or just in your car?

Speaker 2 (01:37:20):
It's it's in her car.

Speaker 3 (01:37:21):
Yeah, oh yeah, no, it's in my car, but it
is hidden. For any of those who know what a
wrap for, it looks like it.

Speaker 7 (01:37:27):
Is not mine. Under the French seat.

Speaker 3 (01:37:32):
Is probably worth like two three hundred bucks heavy copper pipe.

Speaker 9 (01:37:37):
She just has to she's now, anybody that knows your car,
that thing's gone.

Speaker 2 (01:37:42):
She's just told she can't bring it upstairs because she's
a good chance she'd use it on Softy during cross talks.

Speaker 3 (01:37:46):
So yeah, no, it has to remain in the car.

Speaker 2 (01:37:50):
All right, I'll talk to you next week.

Speaker 12 (01:37:51):
See it.

Speaker 2 (01:37:52):
There you go, that's John Len joining us. We'll check
the text line. Get some talkbacks coming up next.

Speaker 1 (01:38:20):
Now back Dean Furness on your Home for the Huskies,
Cracking and the Twelfth Man, brought to you by Seattle's
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Speaker 12 (01:38:40):
Hi, I I am such a Homer sports fan that
I hardly pay attention to the NBA since we haven't
had a team, but will very much pay attention when
we get a team back. As for Oklahoma, since they're
so good, Yeah, they end up in the news and
you hear about them.

Speaker 7 (01:38:56):
Even when you're not trying to.

Speaker 12 (01:38:58):
And of course yeah it really they bugs me, really
bugs me that they're so good and I hate it.

Speaker 11 (01:39:06):
Hello show, I'm out pressure Washington Stikan right now. What
a good topic. I'm thirty nine years old, so I
remember sitting at the tea arena with Sam Presty literally
ten rows behind us. The tickets were I think seven dollars.
It was Kevin Durant's rife year. And I still hate

(01:39:28):
Sam Presty in Oklahoma City Thunder just as much as
I did sitting in those stands what twenty years ago.

Speaker 2 (01:39:35):
Let's yeah, they're a uh it's a hot topic. We
even get into it today. I tease it in the
first segment the first hour of the show. We didn't
get into it today, so we'll probably get it a
little bit more more tomorrow. The whole are the thunder
in your head thing? That's just that's crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:39:52):
Oh yes, clearly, very much.

Speaker 7 (01:39:54):
So what do you got.

Speaker 13 (01:39:56):
Let's forget about them being eight outs away for a second.
They won the first two games on the road against
the Blue Jays. They were up two games to none.
I think all of us Meridith fans are thinking, oh
my God, is this it? Is it finally gonna happen.
They only need to win two more games out of five,
and they couldn't do it. Moving forward after that, it

(01:40:17):
is World Series or bust for this team.

Speaker 7 (01:40:19):
That's it.

Speaker 13 (01:40:19):
If they make it to the ALCS this year and lose,
I won't be.

Speaker 2 (01:40:22):
Happy a lot of Dan Wilson conversation. That's a good
point though. I mean it's actually a really good talk
back because yeah, like it wasn't just the one decision.
It's the fact they blew the lead and have the lead.

Speaker 7 (01:40:36):
And all that.

Speaker 2 (01:40:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:40:37):
Serious, that's a sports end that we've been chalking up,
is saying it's over.

Speaker 3 (01:40:41):
Before it's over, you got a few more, Yeah, we did.

Speaker 2 (01:40:45):
It's also the family that owns Panda Express. They're partial
owners of the Blazers. She went to school in Court
of Valles.

Speaker 7 (01:40:55):
Yeah, man, not good.

Speaker 2 (01:40:58):
Yeah, talk about Tom Dunnan and just joining as Blazers
laid off half their front office today cost cutting measures.

Speaker 3 (01:41:05):
I didn't know that Panda Express had money issues.

Speaker 2 (01:41:08):
Well, yeah, exactly. And but yeah, the minority owner, one
of the minority owners is the guy that's like CEO
or she's something like that with Pan Express, So that's
probably bad for their business of the area.

Speaker 3 (01:41:21):
It's not gonna do better.

Speaker 8 (01:41:22):
Hey, they're Ian, Jessaman and Christmas. Yep, let's start with Dan.
We win in spite of our manager, Dan Wilson.

Speaker 2 (01:41:32):
And I gotta be honest with you.

Speaker 8 (01:41:34):
If your last name is Wilson in the city of Seattle,
you clearly didn't have the qualifications.

Speaker 7 (01:41:38):
For your job.

Speaker 8 (01:41:39):
I'm looking at you, Mayor and you Dan. Now, JP,
his arm has been trash for the last year and
a half. Why didn't we move him to second in
the off season? I don't get it, Go Murner.

Speaker 4 (01:41:55):
I mean, Russell had the qualifications as of Wilson, that's
about it.

Speaker 3 (01:42:01):
For a while, he didn't keep them.

Speaker 2 (01:42:03):
He was fine, though, what else?

Speaker 7 (01:42:05):
Yet? He was people?

Speaker 14 (01:42:06):
You can't build your team like the Thunder. The Thunder
built their team like the Dallas Cowboys of the nineties
by trading away an overrated star player for a legendary
hall of draft picks and players. Okay, see got the
feature MVP and five or so first round picks. So

(01:42:30):
do you want to know who built the Thunder?

Speaker 7 (01:42:33):
It was the Clippers. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:42:35):
I was outside of chet Holmer that it that's it
for the talkback. Probably lets get some next four nine,
four to five one and a lot of Danielson talk here.
Jeff says he is service light, and that's not a compliment.
Twent six. You don't need underlying stats or underlying numbers. No,
JP is terrible defensively. You just need eyeballs. WHOA Dan

(01:42:57):
Wilson is perfect for the potal fifty four percent. Wilson
had a fifty four winning percentage. That's becoming a manager.
At least we were winning games. Sure, true, Yeah, I'm
not sure, says John how Mad, it should be a
Dan Wilson because I'm not sure how many decisions are
is his? How much are predetermined? The game is different today.
I think five percent of those decisions are his. Analytics
rule today that team has made the most of the

(01:43:17):
decisions for every scenario, at every point in the game.

Speaker 7 (01:43:19):
It seems.

Speaker 2 (01:43:20):
Yeah, see that's the thing. We don't know. We don't
know how much is him? How much is predetermined? You
know you're looking down your card. It's like this, this
and this. Lou and others as a two of six
obviously managed longer. But Dana has the highest winning percentage
of any of them. He also has probably the argue
with the best team, at least deepest team that they've

(01:43:41):
had too. I'd send Jay and Edgar with him to
also tell Eachro to find a hobby. It's time to
get rid of the past new marriers.

Speaker 4 (01:43:49):
Oh, come on, I love Eachi Row. He's down there
every single day. I'm down there quite a bit.

Speaker 2 (01:43:55):
And yeah, I don't think each throw is a problem.
I think I think, Actually, I'll be honest with I
think the Etro thing now it's a little weird, but
that's him a little eccentric. Let's call him eccentric instead
of weird.

Speaker 3 (01:44:08):
He does eachier Row does.

Speaker 2 (01:44:10):
Eachi Row a little eccentric. But I think if you're
a young player, you're playing in the clubouse like hey man,
as a Hall of fam we're still out here shagging balls,
hanging out. It's kind of cool, right, That's what I like.

Speaker 3 (01:44:23):
What negative could be there?

Speaker 2 (01:44:25):
Uh, let's see no sympathy for Blazer fans after they
continually trash Jody All and bet they wish they still
had Heard as the owner.

Speaker 7 (01:44:31):
Now, oh they do.

Speaker 2 (01:44:33):
They went from we hate Jody, we wish Jody was back.
Let's see, is that like.

Speaker 3 (01:44:39):
A cress is Greener situation.

Speaker 2 (01:44:41):
Yeah, same story. Since A four to two five, Why
didn't someone from Portland by the team they knew this
could happen. That's the problem. It's just it's first of all,
finding billions of dollars is hard, right, Finding billions of
dollars is hard. I put this on again, league, you're
letting a bad owner in your club, and I have
to add ask why. And I think the oldeoples said

(01:45:01):
this today, like they just this part of the country.
They just don't seem to care about. Why buy a
sports team if you're gonna cut everything, says A four
two five. That's a great point, thank you. Now what
I was saying, he says he's gonna spend money to
He'll spend money to the luxury tax for salaries and
this that I think. First of all, I think that
the biggest free agent, I do believe this is accurate,
the biggest, most impactful free agent they've ever had, is

(01:45:24):
Brian Grant, like thirty years ago, like free agents don't
go there. Oh, let's see Lillard you're talking about two
five three says No, he was a free agent. They
drafted him.

Speaker 3 (01:45:43):
Oh, they did drop him. Okay, I sorry, I'm a
little checked out.

Speaker 2 (01:45:46):
That's right. Get your you gotta get your copper pipe
to hit people on the way home.

Speaker 3 (01:45:50):
Uh No, I wasn't paying attention during that time.

Speaker 2 (01:45:53):
Two five three, you're talking about the Trailblazers. Exactly what
a lot of Seahawks fans have are up in arms about.
It is Jody gonna find the right buyer for the team.
If she doesn't, then are they going to pack their
bags and leave town? I think you just have to
go back to understand. Like the sales process, it's it's
a lot of people, like a lot of people involved.
It's the current owners selling to somebody approved by the NBA.

(01:46:17):
There's a third party law firm that kind of brings
those potential buyers into the club and it has to
be approved by the NBA owners. This is not on
Jody or Berth.

Speaker 3 (01:46:26):
This is on the NBA.

Speaker 2 (01:46:27):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Oh I like this one.

Speaker 4 (01:46:31):
Two six Sorry, but Wilson's here, Seahawks. Luke Wilson was
a legend here. He was maybe more for he was
maybe for more than his play on the field.

Speaker 2 (01:46:40):
Four to five. You expect the NBA to be ethical
and do the right, thing that was naive. True, that's true.

Speaker 3 (01:46:46):
Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 2 (01:46:48):
Yeah, I mean that, that's that's really a lot of
people talking about loun being on time, not happy.

Speaker 3 (01:46:54):
Oh yeah, I know, probably on like Calshi or something.

Speaker 2 (01:46:58):
London under two o five hit today. Damn it, I
took lund over two ten, says the two six.

Speaker 3 (01:47:06):
Yeah, yeah, nope. Well you didn't know that. I was
on his ass since yesterday.

Speaker 2 (01:47:12):
So I appreciate that.

Speaker 3 (01:47:14):
You're welcome.

Speaker 2 (01:47:16):
A lot of people saying, oh, you shamelessly tried to
get the Kings. What did you guys do trying to
get the Kings? Oh yeah, I think the king saying
I've said this at number time. I don't we were excited,
let's bring them here. It's fine. They had a massive
issue with the with the Arco arena, their old building,
and there.

Speaker 3 (01:47:30):
Was a huge problem.

Speaker 2 (01:47:31):
There was a huge problem, and the MAFs the Moose
basically were broke. Yes, the move Brothers kind of went broke.

Speaker 3 (01:47:37):
I don't know what they're and they screwed over the
city by building a new arena.

Speaker 2 (01:47:40):
Well no, they didn't build it.

Speaker 3 (01:47:41):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (01:47:42):
They wanted it, Yeah, they but they had that that
Arco was done, they had to sell the team. Yes,
the thing is, I don't think Hanson had the money
unless Palmer was going to be involved all those things.
But Leun's right, look at you look at the history
of that Franchi. Oh my god, I mean they have
not been They've been to the playoffs one time since

(01:48:02):
he bought it fifteen, sixteen years ago. They've only been
to the playoffs one time since the six seven season. Actually,
go back twenty plus years. They've been to the playoffs
one time. That might be the worst organization in sports.
And you know, because we guys look at the thing,
what's the longest playoff drought? Well that's one thing, right,

(01:48:23):
but look over like a decade or two decades, how
many times have you actually been there? One time? In
five oh six, they lost in the Western Conference Final
first round? And wait, was that was that? Seattle?

Speaker 1 (01:48:39):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:48:39):
San Antonio, Sorry, because then they lose to Seattle. And yeah,
so in the five playoffs the year before Clayton be
bought the Sonics, they Sonics beat him in the first round.
They've been to the playoffs. Think about this, since the
Sonics beat the Kings in the playoffs in two thousand
and five. They've been to the playoffs two times, lost

(01:49:00):
in the first round both times the Kings. That's bad ownership, folks,
that's really bad ownership. All right, Softie's next. All right,

(01:49:39):
we gotta line up, we gotta line up for Tag
Team Night. David, what do you got? What's going on?
What do you got up for Tag Team night tonight?
So do you got Tag Team night?

Speaker 10 (01:49:47):
Is that a for a nest family thing?

Speaker 4 (01:49:48):
No?

Speaker 7 (01:49:49):
No, no, no, tag team is it?

Speaker 5 (01:49:51):
Isn't it?

Speaker 2 (01:49:51):
Bryce Miller, Luis Castillo, piggyback, piggyback? I'm sorry, yeah, right right,
Bryce Miller started. Oh, Cole Emerson, congrat gratulations. He moving
up the lineup, By the way, he is hitting ninth tonight.
You know, I guess you're hitting. Guess who's leading off?
You'll never don't look who.

Speaker 15 (01:50:07):
Leo Rodriguez, No, JP Crawford, no, Cole Young, keep going,
Taylor Randy A.

Speaker 2 (01:50:14):
Rose, no, Luke Rayley No, come on, man, keep God
keep going.

Speaker 9 (01:50:20):
Uh.

Speaker 15 (01:50:20):
Leo Reavas is no longer here. He's in a Tacoma.
Mitch Garver, who have I not mentioned? I've mentioned every
damn starter on the team. For God's sake, your leadoff hitter,
d hing tonight okay? Rob Refsnyder?

Speaker 1 (01:50:34):
Wow?

Speaker 7 (01:50:35):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:50:36):
Someone someone put a lineup together and said, let's get
ref Snyder leading off and make sure we get Wisdom
in seconds.

Speaker 15 (01:50:45):
Patrick Wisdom? Is he back up? He's back up? He
came back up yesterday. Actually, here's the interesting thing, now
that I look at it carefully. No, JP Crawford right,
he's only been hit like twice in a row now,
like maybe he's finally got to take a date.

Speaker 2 (01:50:57):
But was Emerson at shortstop? T Emerson's at shortstop and
Wisdom's your third base?

Speaker 8 (01:51:01):
Wow?

Speaker 2 (01:51:02):
Well, god, this feels this feels March Tempee like this line.

Speaker 15 (01:51:05):
I was very curious to see how long it would
take to get Emerson over at shortstop. And what I
don't want to see happen is him going back and
forth from third to short short to third, Like, let's
let this guy get comfortable. I think I think he
played with him a chance. I heard Joe Shean coming
in here. And it's funny because I had the same
thought when they signed Donovan. I remember tweeting, well, there's

(01:51:27):
your new second baseman, because that's where he played in
Saint Louis because they had Eronato at third and now
he's at third and he can't play third. You know
why he can't play third because he's a second baseman.
But you have Cole Young at second base. So she's point,
which actually I could make out this week versus last week.

Speaker 2 (01:51:47):
Did you like the audio? Well, last week was more
like this week was much clearer.

Speaker 15 (01:51:53):
So whatever you people did, it was yes, all right,
good work, jess right, honestly, all right. You know, time
you contribute something to the radio station the way to go,
we'll put that on your resume. All right, may have
twenty twenty six fixed Joe Shean's phone on your resume.
But you got a bunch of guys that you want
to have in the lineup, was Joe's point. But they

(01:52:14):
all play the same spot, or you have too many
guys at the same spot. Correct, too many second basement,
too many third basement, too many short stops, too many guys.
It's just the way this thing was built defensively is weak.
There's no doubt you can argue they're better offensively potentially
down the road, but the way they were built defensively is,

(01:52:36):
let's face it, kind of a mess.

Speaker 2 (01:52:37):
When everyone's if and when everybody gets healthy, right, Col's
healthy and Donovan's healthy. Although I don't know if that's
ever going to happen, right because I mean whatever, it's growing.
But when they're healthy, I've got one. It's been lingering
for twenty years. Twenty years. I'm just sitting here. But
you got two. You got two guys in the lineup
every day, and a Rose of Rain and Crawford that

(01:52:59):
should be dhs.

Speaker 15 (01:53:00):
Yeah, they're both terrible defensively, I mean less space facts.
So Rose Arena might be the worst left field or
in base, but you can't take his bat out, No, JP.
Crawford is the worst shortstop in baseball. That's what he
gets on base. You've got to play one of those
guys in the field, obviously, because they both can't d age.

Speaker 2 (01:53:16):
Imagine being a pitcher. So you're sitting there, pitch, I
got to strike everybody out right, because the ball goes
If the ball goes left side to short stop for
left field, ye, it's an eventuld we hear the.

Speaker 15 (01:53:24):
Guy that caught Emerson's home run last night? I saw,
I saw, I saw a postgame. They met up, okay,
and he got a ball bat whatever do we know
did he ask for any money or anything like that
or did.

Speaker 3 (01:53:36):
You Webbly not. Usually it's just the experience.

Speaker 2 (01:53:39):
That's what I would go for. Yeah, I like cash. Well,
you know, here's you've just signed a ninety five million
dollars d See that's the problem. Like something something for
the efort young man, first hit, first home run. For
most players, the guy's making seven to fifty a year, right,
not this guy. This guy's got ninety.

Speaker 7 (01:53:56):
Five in the best guy.

Speaker 3 (01:53:57):
But is that a douchey move honestly to have more money?

Speaker 2 (01:54:01):
Yes, it is, Okay, I think for the I think
for a young kid it would be. I think if
it was a you know, someone just hit their four
hundredth home run and they're making eighty million a year, right,
I want my cat.

Speaker 15 (01:54:11):
For a normal young guy who was on a minimal contract. Yeah,
but this guy's got ninety five million bucks coming to him. Yeah,
what a what a what a gesture it would have been,
and it would have maybe it happened and we don't
know about it, but it would have elevated cold Emerson
even more if it leaks out that the guy didn't
want any money.

Speaker 2 (01:54:28):
But cold Emerson just gave him fifty grand anyway. Honestly,
I think it cost him fifty grand to get his
whole entourage out here from yesterday though. Let us see, people.

Speaker 15 (01:54:40):
The only problem I had with the video of his
mom and dad last night is when he hit the
home run. Who was the big, giant, tall guy sitting
in front of his mom?

Speaker 2 (01:54:47):
Yeah, get the hell out out of the way, dude,
trying to watch mom go nuts to your man? Come away,
fell out.

Speaker 4 (01:54:53):
I would like to have the opportunity to bring a
young person with me to meet Colt at a later date.

Speaker 15 (01:55:00):
That's what you would do if I had. If you
caught the ball, nephew, got you, you won't ask for
any money. You wouldn't want member experience something.

Speaker 2 (01:55:13):
You know what, You've got a guy down the ballpark tonight, Mike,
we do work Central is down at the ballpark tonight.

Speaker 15 (01:55:19):
Is there that story? Isn't the players get annoyed by him?
By the way, he's a very nice guy. I'm not
saying he's not a nice guy. There's a lot of
nice guys that annoy the piss out of me. Mike
Benton from Usually Hockey Today, I'm here on the Baseball beat.
As you consider the repercussions of last night, what sticks

(01:55:39):
out to you?

Speaker 3 (01:55:40):
He does call me his boss whenever i'm with him,
does Hey, this is my boss right here? I'm like, no,
I'm not.

Speaker 2 (01:55:50):
I've heard that.

Speaker 7 (01:55:50):
You actually asked for that.

Speaker 2 (01:55:51):
By the way, that's what you refer to me as
your miss McIntyre when we're down there.

Speaker 3 (01:56:00):
I'm married now, Oh god, okay, alright, what are you
doing today?

Speaker 15 (01:56:04):
Let's see Jason Minnick is our friend from San Antonio
ESPN Radio. He's gonna join us, coming up at four
o'clock today. John Wilner is in La at the Big
Ten meetings. Yes, he's gonna pop on at five o'clock tonight.
And then that Brian Schmetzer, a five forty five little
fun with audio. We'll talk about last night's game. And
I think we just stumbled upon a topic. Is it
appropriate to ask for money when you possess a baseball

(01:56:28):
or some type of memorabilia that players covering?

Speaker 7 (01:56:31):
What what he got?

Speaker 2 (01:56:32):
Get betting on that? Here's boss, Get him on that.

Speaker 7 (01:56:35):
Find out? Find out? All right?

Speaker 15 (01:56:36):
See for the mild mannered and marginally objectionably infness, this
is paddle Day saying so long everyone,

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