Furness Show 5-5: Chris Crawford in for Ian, Joe Sheehan, Corbin Smith

Chris Crawford is in for Ian once again to talk about the Mariners win last night, was that a vibe-changer for Seattle?  The Seahawks signed veteran edge rusher Dante Fowler Jr. in shades of the DeMarcus Lawrence signing last year, can we hope for similar results?  Joe Sheehan joins to talk Mariners and MLB, Daily Power Play.  Corbin Smith from Emerald City Spectrum and Locked on Seahawks to talk about the Dante Fowler signing and rookie minicamp.  Checking the Tacoma Dodge textline. Softy joins for cross talk

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
We have to talk a lot about the Mariners because boy,
oh boy, that win last night, and you know.

Speaker 2 (00:07):
It's the sixth inning, and.

Speaker 1 (00:09):
I post on Blue Sky that I don't think the
vibes have ever been lower for the Seattle Mariners. Now
that's a little hyperbolic, because they've been worse, but it's been.

Speaker 2 (00:19):
A while since I felt like this.

Speaker 1 (00:21):
And you know, I was watching the game on mute,
but even watching the game on mute, I could feel the.

Speaker 2 (00:26):
Lack of energy in that place. And then it just
all changes.

Speaker 1 (00:30):
And this is my favorite part about baseball, how the
energy can change just like that, just a couple of walks,
a Luke Railey bomb, another walk, and a JP Crawford after,
you know, after Anders and I slandered the man.

Speaker 3 (00:45):
Oh yes we did.

Speaker 2 (00:46):
Defense, you know we did.

Speaker 1 (00:48):
And you know what, we didn't slander his plate approach.
We did not approach the plate. And that's what leads
to that that homer is the fact that he fouls
off a couple of tough pitches full count. You have
to throw him a strike and he takes advance of it.
But it was just phenomenal to see the energy in
that place just completely change and you know, this felt

(01:08):
necessary as much as a game on May fourth can
feel necessary. This felt necessary to me. A loss here
would have felt pretty darn close to devastating. I was
not feeling good. I was getting ready to go yell
like crazy on my OI and just have an absolute conniption.

(01:30):
But nope, Thankfully the logan Gilbert was just barely good
enough over his six innings, the bullpen was good enough,
and it just took one half of an inning to
score some runs, and you get a chance, really good
chance to win a series against a really good baseball team.

Speaker 4 (01:46):
Now, yeah, I think it's one of those things where
if you lose that game, it's against one of the
best teams in the league. They're playing probably the best
baseball in Major League Baseball right now, I would say,
especially consider if you look at their record and they've
just been tearing the cover off the baseball. But they
didn't have Ronald A. Cooney Junior or Michael Harris the second.

(02:07):
Michael Harris too, Michael here the second. I don't know
exactly how you you know say it, but I've heard
it both ways.

Speaker 5 (02:14):
Mike.

Speaker 4 (02:14):
Yeah, they didn't have their two of their big guys
in the lineup, so you felt like you could have
taken advantage of that, and I felt like you feel
good about the pitching matchup too. But Logan, I want
to I want to ask your thoughts about Logan because Chris,
it seems like, for whatever reason, you had one of
the texts of the century yesterday and I completely stole

(02:36):
it and put it on Twitter because you're not on
Twitter anymore, which you know, I don't feel bad about,
but I'm just letting people know that that's exactly what happened.
But you said in our group chat that you know,
oh what inning? Is it the sixth inning? Time for
Logan be over to pitch poorly? So what is it
about the sixth inning that makes him struggle?

Speaker 1 (02:54):
I don't know, because it's just maybe it is that
third time through the lineup that people are starting to
get more comfortable seeing the guy. But it's a weird
thing because you'd think it would still be difficult to
pick up the baseball on this guy, because if we
talked about it yesterday, how much extension that Logan Gilbert generates.
But boy, oh boy, it was just I mean, and

(03:17):
here's the thing. One of the reasons I knew things
were going to go south, and knew is probably not
the right word, but why I felt like things could
go south very quickly was Logan Gilbert was getting slacked.
It just wasn't it was finding the defense. Like I
think he had given up like something like ten or
eleven hard hit baseballs, and that was before that six

(03:38):
th innings. Maybe that's a little off, but it was
a lot of hard contact and got out to Randy
rose Arena, by the way, for having one of his
best defensive games, pulling down a couple of those long,
long drives. Maybe Randy rose Arena is turning it around defensively.
That's hard for me to imagine, but you know, it'd
be nice to see. And he's certainly athletic enough to
play a good defense. But boy, all three of them,

(04:00):
those home runs, those were not cheapiss Those balls were
absolutely clawbered. And this is another thing where I think, Look,
I get why you're trying to get another inning out
of Logan Gilbert. It's the first game of a three
game series. You don't want to overuse your bullpen. With
the Matt Brash injury and the game's fire injury, which
that news broke like right after we logged off yesterday. Anders, boy,

(04:23):
that is tough news for that bullpen. So I get
that you're trying to get another inning. In an ideal world,
I think you're done with Logan after those five you
say thank you for five innings of one run baseball.
You got real lucky to do it, because boy, oh boy,
he was just getting hammered. It's just the results for

(04:44):
the Atlanta weren't as good as the process. I don't
know what's going on with him in the sixth inning,
but clearly the third time through the lineup, hitters are
starting to become much more comfortable facing him. And this
is not a new thing. We saw it last year
as as soon as he came back from the injury.

Speaker 2 (05:02):
That there were so many five and dive scenes.

Speaker 1 (05:04):
Mean, but a lot of five inning starts, a lot
of starts where he's not able to be efficient enough
or just isn't affected enough, effective enough, excuse me, through
that third time of the lineup that you don't feel comfortable.

Speaker 2 (05:18):
But this is something we have to keep an eye
on now.

Speaker 4 (05:20):
Yeah, I think so, because it's not just a thing
this year either. It was a thing all of last
year almost too. It felt like, you know, you can
look at his expected stats and the deeper numbers, so
to speak, and think that his results should have been
better in twenty twenty five than they were, but you
also have to look at he's just not efficient. He

(05:42):
doesn't really have an outpitch right now. So there's been
too many times where you know, he only gets through
five and whatever innings, or gets through six kind of
struggling because he is taking five, six, seven pitches to
get the strikeout, or he is kind of having these
dink and dunk kind of stuff. That wasn't the case yesterday.

(06:04):
Like you said, he was getting hit pretty hard, and
this is one of those where he I think was
efficient yesterday, just wasn't as effective. But it is something
where he's just a far cry from that ace like
presence that he was in twenty twenty four.

Speaker 3 (06:18):
And I'm wondering if we ever see that again.

Speaker 1 (06:21):
It's a good question, And you know, it's worth pointing
out that Logan Gilbert may not.

Speaker 2 (06:25):
Be as young as people think. Yeah, he's twenty nine.

Speaker 1 (06:27):
And there is a history of guys who have an
injury at this type of age who just aren't the
same picture anymore. And I'm just looking at his Baseball
Savant page right now, Andrews. There's some good stuff here,
Like he still generates all that elite extension. He's throwing
so many strikes. He might be throwing too many strikes.
Like yeah, five point four percent walk rate is really

(06:49):
really good, but maybe he needs to start nibbling a
little more. I'm not asking anyone to go full gil
Mash and gil Mesh is a reference that you won't
get because you're just too young.

Speaker 2 (06:59):
That I hate your youth. I will mention it every
single time.

Speaker 4 (07:01):
Yes, that's like right on the edge of my Mariner fandom.
That's like right when I was starting to become aware.
So I know, I know gil Yes.

Speaker 2 (07:09):
That's good.

Speaker 1 (07:09):
I'm glad that you know who good old Gilbert Mesh was.
But and then you look at is Chase rates good
sixty eighth percentile, thirty two percent with rate and twenty
nine percent that's in the seventy third percentile. Still throwing
plenty hard, not quite as hard I think as he
used to. But I don't think it's a velocity issue here.
But the averagexon velocity against him is ninety one point

(07:31):
six miles per hour, which is well below average and
hard hit rate of forty eight point eight percent, meaning
that if Logan Gilbert has a ball hit against him,
there is a twelve and twenty five chance a little
higher than that that it's going to be hard contact.
And I think a lot of that is based on yesterday.
There were so many line drives that ended up in

(07:52):
gloves yesterday except for the very first batter of the
game who just molly wops a baseball. And then that's
sixth inning where they the timing and everything just finally
started going right for Atlanta. I will admit I am
much more concerned about Logan Gilbert than I thought I
would be. But I will say this, man, what a

(08:12):
great win that ends up being, because you know, j R.
Richie shout out to Bainbridge Island's finest. Probably I can't
imagine anyone else from Bayberg Island is all that great. Y,
let's let's not let's not have the island be catching
some strays.

Speaker 3 (08:28):
Are we not tarnishing? Yeah, we don't tarnish.

Speaker 1 (08:32):
I told you that we need to generate controversy.

Speaker 3 (08:38):
Go back to Sheldon.

Speaker 1 (08:39):
No, I mean I think I have like four family
members who live on Bainbridge Island if you're listening, my bad.

Speaker 6 (08:46):
We have some colleagues who live over there. Our friend
Jody out there, she takes the ferry everyday.

Speaker 2 (08:50):
Work. Shout out Jody, shout out. I do not have
that kind of stamina, shout out Bambridge Island.

Speaker 1 (08:57):
No, no, no, no, I barely have enough standmina to
wait in line for a fairy thing from the front
team mubble like, definitely don't happen.

Speaker 2 (09:06):
Yeah, water taxi exactly.

Speaker 1 (09:10):
But he was just dominant for five innings and a
lot of that credit goes to some poor at bats
from the Seattle Mariners.

Speaker 2 (09:16):
Let's not go completely crazy.

Speaker 3 (09:18):
Yeah, I think it's definitely for me.

Speaker 4 (09:20):
It's more the latter like, I didn't think he looked
that great, interesting, like maybe there was some swing and
miss stuff that he had, but I think his command
was off obviously by the fifth inning when he started
giving off the walks and the hit pitches and stuff.
But I just saw some feeble at bats from Mariners
up until that sixth inning.

Speaker 1 (09:39):
Yeah, Unfortunately, we can probably talk about this a little
bit later. Cole Young has really scuffled over the last
few and you know, I'm not long term. Concerned about
Cole Young at all, Like the approach is too good
and what he's given you defensively is still going to
be But this is the thing about a first year
full time player, first year of major league action, where

(10:02):
he starts in the majors and hopefully ends in the majors.
I can't imagine that he wouldn't. But there are going
to be ups and downs. There are going to be times,
and unfortunately they've kind of relied on Cole Young's offense
to begin the year. I don't know if you can
do that now, hopefully, like Julio's starting to hit the
ball better. Josh Naylor, I thought, had a pretty decent

(10:22):
day at the plate Radio Rose Arena, remains vastly underrated
as an offensive player. My goodness, gracious that walk to
open that inning in six, Like it's easy to forget
about just how important that was too.

Speaker 2 (10:34):
And shout out to kin Zone for drawn.

Speaker 1 (10:36):
One as well. But you know, Cole Young is going
to have struggles. But at the same time, there's a
reason why they want to hit this guy at the
bottom of the order. It's so that there's not a
lot of offensive pressure. It's up to two, three, four,
and five. Of course cal Rawlin getting another day off
this is is really interesting.

Speaker 6 (10:57):
Yeah, yeah, I mean he was around and I was
in the clubhouse yesterday and you know, he was there.
It's not like he's absent from the team and everything.
He's doing his thing, but yeah, he's I think that
at this point we can have a tinge of concern.

Speaker 1 (11:17):
Yeah, you know four nine, four five one Tacomadad's text line,
just how worried are you about this absence from cal Rawly?
And kind of how worried you'll be about how he
looks when he gets back. You know, this is the
first time in the while that he'll have a stint
where he isn't playing. How is he going to look
coming back from it? Because guys, you can say whatever

(11:38):
you want about Calrawly, start this lineup just looks so
much worse without him. He is such an important part
of what they're going to do. So we'll talk about that,
we'll talk about just how important this win is. We'll
also talk some well also Joe, she's going to be
coming on. We'll talk a lot about Logan Gilbert. I
think with Joe, whether he likes it or not, I

(11:58):
text Joe saying that I have to talk to you
on the radio about this stuff, and he said, technically,
you don't have to. I don't think that was the
one thing that he maybe maybe he didn't what would
have preferred the lanky Canadian over me. But we'll talk
about that. We'll talk about uh, we'll talk about JP
Crawford's defense, whether or not it is as big of

(12:20):
a concern for him as it is for me. Because
as fun as that home run was, we also saw
JP Crawford looked not so good defensively. Anders it was
it was the the ultimate JP Crawford game.

Speaker 3 (12:34):
Yeah, it was. You got you got to see both
sides of it.

Speaker 4 (12:36):
And I think, honestly, I kind of made this joke
on Twitter last night that like, oh, that's an app
bat any DH would be proud of about his home run,
But honestly it's.

Speaker 5 (12:44):
Kind of true.

Speaker 4 (12:45):
Like I feel like everyone kind of views him as
since he plays shortstop and like he's a good bat
for his position that he plays.

Speaker 3 (12:54):
But I also think he's just a good bat period
right now.

Speaker 4 (12:57):
Yeah, and if you look at we've talked about baseball
Somont a couple times that backs it up. He's kind
of he's hits the ball hard. I think you could
honestly say he's been unlucky to start the season as well,
so on the offensive side of the ball. So I
wonder if there's a conversation that needs to be had.
There isn't a really like easy option right now to

(13:19):
take him off a shortstop, but when or Cole Timerson
is ready, when that becomes apparent that he's ready to
take that next step up and you get the boost
defensively and Brendan Donovan his back and you know you
don't have to play Leo Revas every single day. I
wonder if there's a full time DH conversation with Ap Crawford,

(13:39):
because I really think that he would happen still have
really good value there to be go honest and honestly,
his value would be better because he's not hurting you defensively,
if that makes sense.

Speaker 1 (13:49):
Yeah, somebody pointed out to me on Blue Sky that
he's still running about a two point one war rate
right now, which if you consider, like just looking at
the Baseball Savant page again batting run value, he's in
the seventieth percentile that is well above average.

Speaker 3 (14:04):
That's been really good.

Speaker 1 (14:05):
Base running value thirty fourth percentile. Well we'll round up
and call it just net zero, okay, but.

Speaker 4 (14:12):
Like, okay, that's yeah, okay, thanks, thanks, thanks smart guy.

Speaker 3 (14:19):
What are your math around here?

Speaker 2 (14:21):
What are your math finished?

Speaker 1 (14:22):
The point I don't want to do the same, And
then fielding run value, he's in the bottom two percentile,
a negative four, so his value goes up considerably if
he is playing designated hitter, if he is not the
everyday shortstop for you, because you know, not all struggling

(14:45):
defensive players are the same. The struggling left fielder and
the struggling shortstop are not the same. The struggling first
base in the struggling center fielder that ain't the same.
Shortstop is such an important defensive position where range and hands.
You know, the fact that he's still a sure handed
player for the most party, makes some throwing mistakes here

(15:05):
and there is solid and it's nice that he's not
adding extra self inflicted damage. But the fact that he's
not turning those into and taking hits and turning them
into outs, or taking what should be outs and turning
them into hits, which.

Speaker 2 (15:21):
I think is the biggest issue.

Speaker 1 (15:23):
It's problematic so yeah, I think there's absolutely a conversation
to be had there. But unfortunately, I think there's about
on the twenty six man roster, thirty seven players who
should be the designated hitter first yet give or thing.
I'm not great at math, as you guys running down,
but that's.

Speaker 3 (15:41):
Why we work here.

Speaker 1 (15:43):
Yes, absolutely, I just you know, Randy rose Arena should
be a designated hitter. Luke Rayley should be a designated hitter.
Dom kin z own obvious Sheele should be a designated hitter.
Rob Refsnyder there's a reason why the Mariners haven't felt
super comfortable putting him in the album field. So it's
a really interesting conversation, Uh to come a dodge text

(16:05):
line four nine four five one?

Speaker 2 (16:06):
Do you believe that JP.

Speaker 1 (16:07):
Crawford should start seeing time as a designated hitter? So
we'll talk to Joe Sheian will talk about next. An
interesting signing for your Seattle Seahawks, Dante Fowler reportedly going
to join the Seahawks as a what I believe will
be a situational pass rusher. But we'll talk about that next.
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Speaker 2 (16:49):
Chris Crawford and Free and Forness. The Seahawks make a move.

Speaker 1 (16:52):
They sign defensive end Dante Fowler Junior. This is an
interesting one to meet for a couple of reasons. Number One,
he is a player with some pedigree. You know, he
was the third overall pick. I believe Torres acl like
right before his rookie season was going to start, has
a couple I believe of double digit SAX seasons, has
some less than spectacular production as well, And this was

(17:16):
one that's been rumored for a while anders But I
feel like this is while I made the not a joke,
but like you could debate how necessary it was for
the Sea for the Mariners to get that went over Atlanta,
it felt like a move like this was necessary for
the Seahawks because you just kind of look at the
depth of pass rushers that they had prior to this

(17:38):
Vowlor signing, and there's some really good players, but the
quality kind of wanes a little bit, and you know,
this is the type of move that takes some pressure
off of Riley Mills. This is the type of thing,
you know, heaven forbid an injury to one of the
upper echial on pass rushers was to happen. Ye, I
think it's more situational, but this is the type of

(17:58):
move that I think they had to make.

Speaker 4 (18:00):
I think even if you didn't lose boy A Mafe
in the off season, that you could argue that they
still needed at least one more body in there. And
now that you did lose boy A Mafe and there's
questions about DeMarcus Lawrence, and I don't think he's gonna retire.
I think we would have heard something by now if
that were happening, But we still haven't been confirmed that
he's of course playing for the next season. But they

(18:23):
wouldn't just come out and say that if he is.
We assume that he is at this point. But like
losing boy A Mafe, you just need more bodies in there.
And it's like I think with the Riley Mills and
you know a couple other guys on that on that line,
you were missing a true edge, like you have one
of them in DeMarcus Lawrence. You have another one in

(18:46):
Shena Nuosu, But that's kind of it at that. I
guess Derek Hall as well, who had kind of a
breakout year as well last year for the Seahawks. But
depth is always important because you're not necessarily you don't
have the top, top, top end talent on the edge position.
I think you do in the interior defensive line with

(19:07):
Leonard Williams and Byron Murphy, but you don't have the elite,
elite talent. So you have to if you want to
continue the defensive prowess that the Seahawks had last year,
and it need some depth.

Speaker 6 (19:18):
Well, that's sorry I did, but I was just going
to say that, you know, when you look at what
Mike McDonald has done in such a short amount of
time in his you know, in his career, he won
a Super Bowl, and he was coveted for this role

(19:39):
because he was the best defensive coach in the league
arguably when he was with the Ravens. Look what happened
to them when he left John Harbaugh, who is an extremely,
extremely longevity guy, when it came to being in Baltimore,
he go So I just wanted to add that if
he wants to sign someone you say yes before you

(20:00):
start to doubt it.

Speaker 2 (20:02):
Yeah, you know, that's that's such a good point.

Speaker 1 (20:04):
And it's interesting because I think sometimes we can get
in trouble with that, like just the uh you know
and Schneider we trust has been such a thing. But
I have to be honest, like in Mike McDonald, he
has just earned the benefit of the doubt is like
beyond such an understatement of what Mike McDonald has earned
in such a short amount of time. But Andrews, I

(20:24):
think you made a really good point about the fact
that like Riley Mills is not going to be a
guy who that's not Patrick Kearney. That's not a guy
who's just going to zoom around the edge and pick
up a bunch of sacks. He's more of a guy
who relies on strength. Anyone who saw that sack in
the Super Bowl, by the way, that was the play
I replayed for those who don't know, I was at

(20:44):
the game, but and I was impressed with that sack
watching it in person. But when I watched the replay
of the game, I probably watched that sack about twenty times,
like just watching him absolutely manhandle those defensive linemen our
offensive lineman and pushing that dude right to the lap
of Drake May. But the speed is not his game
and Mike Morris, that's not his game either. This is

(21:06):
a guy who is more about setting the edge, protecting
the edge in that way more than being a big
pass rusher. Dontey Fowler's here to rush to quarterback like
that's going to be his biggest responsibility, is going to
get the quarterback. The type of guy that you're going
to see on third down come in and just put
the moves on things and it opens up things for

(21:27):
Leonard Williams and Jaren Reid and Byron Murphy to work
on the inside and you know, guys like in WOSU.
It was so great to see and WOSU have a
big moment in the Super Bowl. By the way, sometimes
you look at what he's done since signing a pretty
dang big contract and you say, maybe not the production
that you're really looking for from that, But boy, that

(21:48):
was such a massive moment in that game. It just
completely put everything away. I feel a lot better about
the pass rush now. I feel a lot better about
the depth that they have now. Now you know if
injury occurs or if DeMarcus Lawrence was to say, I
don't want to do this anymore. I think you've probably

(22:08):
got to get make a move, Like I don't feel
that confident in what they have right now because I
just don't think you can rely on Mills and Mike
Morris are those guys to be every down player. Andrews,
I have to ask you, how comfortable are you in
the depth up the middle now with Mills making that move?
Because you know you've got Red, You've got Murphy, you've

(22:31):
got Brandon Peeley.

Speaker 2 (22:32):
Outside of that, maybe a little bit of a weakness.
Do you think defensive tackle might be something they still
need to address?

Speaker 4 (22:38):
No, because you had Leonard Williams to that too. Sure,
he's like fair probably one of your best players. And
I forget the name of the guy they drafted this year,
but they yeah, Devin Eastern, Who's generated a lot of
hype in this first couple of days. Now I realize
it's rookie mini camps, so there's not really sure much
else besides hype. If they weren't generating hype, you'd be
a little worried. But in I think people are kind

(23:02):
of maybe possibly underrating the role that he's gonna play
going forward because they really haven't had that like full
on run stuffing nose tackle in a long time. And
it's weird because if you look at his body, he
Millins talked about this before, If you look at his body,
he doesn't look like the as soft he would say,
big Tubago, you know what I mean, the guy that
would just you know, stuff the stuff the line because

(23:23):
he's he's built, but he's a big dude. So I'm
intrigued with what Devin Eastern can bring to this group
as well. I feel very confident at the defensive tackle position.

Speaker 2 (23:31):
What about you? Yeah, I think I'm okay.

Speaker 1 (23:34):
And you know, sometimes I forget that Leonard Williams is
not I mean, Leonard Williams is almost positionless because of
everything that he can do, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (23:42):
Like he is the type of guy who right, you.

Speaker 1 (23:44):
Know, if you put him at a straight edge, I
think he could be that guy who generates twenty plus pressures.
If you put him at a defensive tackle, I think
he could be a run stuffer. Like if he just
focused on that, Leonard Williams could do anything. I struggle
to think of a more talented Seattle Seahawk and Leonard
Williams more important Seattle Seahawks as well. He's really good,
And you know, Byron Murphy, I kind of feel like

(24:07):
the breakout season is coming in twenty twenty six, like
or yeah, twenty twenty six, that's what year it is,
right again, not very good at maths.

Speaker 3 (24:15):
That's not even a math man.

Speaker 7 (24:17):
No, No, I.

Speaker 2 (24:18):
Mean twenty six, Like technically that's a little bit of math.

Speaker 3 (24:22):
That's a little okay.

Speaker 4 (24:23):
I mean he had seven sacks last year. I argue
he had his breakout season.

Speaker 2 (24:27):
I think there's more coming, Okay.

Speaker 1 (24:29):
And I was just about to say Byron Murphy was
a really good player last year. I saw an absolutely
ridiculous list from USA Today that ranked Byron Murphy as
the Seahawks' biggest draft bust of this decade. And I'm
just flabbergasted. Clearly someone not paying any attention.

Speaker 3 (24:46):
Well, who, what's going on?

Speaker 2 (24:49):
Oh what what would I pick over him? Like?

Speaker 4 (24:52):
What what draft bust did the Seahawks have? Because when
you have a bunch of really good draft picks, it's
hard to pick a bust out of those guys.

Speaker 1 (25:00):
I guess I would have to think about that a
little bit like, because you know, we're out of the
Jermaina Fetti's we're out of the.

Speaker 4 (25:07):
Uh because you said this decade, does that mean only
twenty twenties.

Speaker 1 (25:11):
Yeah, I think so. I believe that's what it was.
I just remember seeing a lot of probably.

Speaker 4 (25:17):
Be my choice then say that again, D Skirch would
probably be my choice then for that one.

Speaker 1 (25:22):
Oh yeah, D s courage is definitely up there. That
was a bad pick in process and results. You don't
draft twenty eight year old receivers out of Western Michigan
and expect good things.

Speaker 2 (25:30):
To happen in the second round.

Speaker 3 (25:32):
Yeah, second round, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (25:34):
Second round pick. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (25:35):
I still I remember my buddy Pat Doherty texting me
he covers the draft for Rota World, and just being like,
what are they doing?

Speaker 2 (25:42):
Anytime you get one of those decks? It is not
a positive thing. But yeah, I think Fowlers are really
nice player.

Speaker 1 (25:48):
I'll be curious to see how the contract if we
find out just how much this is incentive based. Yeah,
you know, because I mean you're not I think expecting
him to be like a starter on this defense. I
don't imagine that they think he's going to be one
of those course starting eleven, but boy, as a situational rusher,

(26:08):
he sure can't help.

Speaker 4 (26:09):
Yeah, And you know what, it's weird because this conversation
reminds me a lot of a year ago when the
Seahawks signed to Marcus Lawrence, a guy that had pedigree,
that definitely had, you know, a couple of really good
years with the Dallas Cowboys, and a lot of people
thought he had kind of fallen off a little bit,
and he came here and had one of his best
seasons of his career. So I wonder if you know,

(26:31):
it's it's gonna be hard to replicate that, obviously because
DeMarcus Lawrence was fantastic last year, But I think Fowler
kind of is in that similar.

Speaker 3 (26:39):
Category of a guy got one.

Speaker 5 (26:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (26:41):
I know I'm not saying that their age thing, but
there are multiple acl tears in his history right, which
is a little worrisome. But I still believe that, you know,
there is something there, and you know, bringing in a
guy that looks like the rest of the league kind
of punted on a little bit that the Seahawks sees something.
And this is what Jess was saying, kind of, I

(27:02):
if Mike MacDonald's sees something this guy. I'm trusting it,
you know, after what he showed us last year with
DeMarcus Lawrence.

Speaker 2 (27:08):
No, that's a really good point.

Speaker 1 (27:10):
And like everything that guy has touched so far has
basically turned to gold. Like there's there's not a lot
of things I can think of that you would In fact,
nothing right now that I can think of.

Speaker 2 (27:19):
But I've been thinking about math a lot.

Speaker 6 (27:21):
From the last Well, that's the thing. Until he gives
you a reason to doubt him, why would you? And
they clearly do their homework and it's not just Mike McDonald,
it's John Schneider and his entire staff. That they do
their homework and they're not going to waste money. I
mean you can't in the NFL. You just can't do that.

(27:41):
And we will see what the deal looks like. And
I think the incentive laden contract that you were mentioning
it might be is always a telltale sign as well.

Speaker 1 (27:51):
Sure, absolutely, yeah, therese are You know the type of
guys that you bring in where it's much.

Speaker 2 (27:56):
More about.

Speaker 1 (27:59):
Weighing risk and re ward, and when you have volatility
as Faler has provided, you have to weigh those things
because you know you can't in a Capitolage.

Speaker 2 (28:08):
You cannot be saddled with those type of players.

Speaker 1 (28:11):
We'll talk to Corbyn Smith about this at two o'clock,
what he expects from Dante Fowler and just how he
fits into that defensive scheme. We'll talk some more Mariners
next on Sports Radio ninety three point three KJR FM.

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Speaker 2 (28:44):
In for I in Fornet.

Speaker 1 (28:46):
We're going to talk about some baseball with Joe Shehian
coming up at one twenty. We'll talk some Seahawks with
Corbyn Smith at two o'clock. But let's talk some baseball now,
Anders just because like I'm still on a little bit
of a high from that game, and you know Koma
Dodge text line four nine, four or five to one.
I'd really like to know if you guys felt that
vibe change as well, because for five and a half

(29:07):
innings it was as low as low could be and
then all of a sudden everything sort of changes.

Speaker 2 (29:16):
It's baseball. Does this better?

Speaker 1 (29:18):
Than anything else, because look, you know, Andrews, you're a
soccer guy. You've you see momentum changing, but it's a
little bit slower, or sometimes it does come out of
nowhere because you see a turnover or something like that, like.

Speaker 4 (29:30):
Arsenal scoring against Athletico right now, yeah.

Speaker 2 (29:33):
Hey how about that?

Speaker 1 (29:35):
Or you see it in basketball a little bit slower,
threes start to fall, or you start to see a
team figure out a defensive scheme where a double team
starts working. In football, you know, you find a a
Connor Williams to take advantage of, or a situation where
you know, a you've set up a certain run play
and now it's going to work and play action. But

(29:57):
in baseball it can just change like that. And you
know it can not only just change like that for
that game. Sometimes it feels like anders it can just
change like that for the season.

Speaker 4 (30:08):
Yeah, And you know, I want to be careful before
I jump on the same train as you, because I
thought that was the case after the five.

Speaker 3 (30:14):
And one road trip, to be completely honest, it's fair.

Speaker 4 (30:16):
And then we came back and laid an egg against
Kansas City, and then we started having all of our
injuries and I'm like, oh, never mind, So, but you're
right about baseball because I think it's the sport where
most often the team who doesn't deserve to win can win,
you know what I mean. Sure, I think you can

(30:37):
play so poorly for such a long stretch of the game,
but you could still come out on top because of
one really good inning. And that's exactly what happened yesterday.
So good props to the Mariners. I did feel like
that was a kind of cathartic moment for them. Hopefully
they can build on that. I think a series win
here against the Braves would be massive and it would

(30:59):
really kind of get rid of the taste out of
your mouth from the uh Kansas City series, because if
you were to tell me with those two series that
we would go too and four, I wouldn't sure thrilled,
but I also wouldn't be like super you know, down
about that either.

Speaker 1 (31:16):
You know what's kind of interesting here too, Anders is
we have seen the Seattle Mariners have these types of
games against Atlanta for like four straight years.

Speaker 2 (31:27):
It feels like, because I don't know.

Speaker 1 (31:29):
If you remember last year the two homer game from
Julio Rodriguez where he just all of a sudden caught
fire again took place in Atlanta after they were having
a little bit of a lull. Maybe we need to
start scheduling. I know you can't do it, but maybe
Atlanta needs to start coming on schedule in Seattle a
little bit more. Last year it was in Atlanta where
you had the good moment. Yeah, but it is weird

(31:51):
how this like, I don't know if you remember the
homer from Julio Rodriguez off of Kenley Jansen that ties
the game and then Aohennio Suarez gets to go ahead
homer and the or the winning homer in the tenth inning.
It's weird how that can come against the team that
I for some reason would say that Seattle and Atlanta
aren't rivals for some reason. Maybe it's based on the
fact that they haven't played too often, but it's sure

(32:14):
is crazy how that stuff can work out. The other
thing I wanted to ask you about Anders is boy,
oh boy, Leo Revos.

Speaker 2 (32:22):
This is getting a little bit hard to watch.

Speaker 1 (32:26):
And I know he's had some clutch hits, and you
know he had a real clutch hit in Game five
against Detroit, and you know, a one average a two
seventy five on base percentage, which shows that he's drawing
walks despite the fact that there's no reason to not
throw this guy at strike. And I know he's in
ninth and hopefully we'll see Brenda Donovan back sooner than later,

(32:48):
but boy, this is hard to watch right now. I
just I can't take Seattle seriously as a World Series
contender watching Leo Rivas hit at the bottom.

Speaker 2 (32:57):
Of the lineup.

Speaker 4 (32:58):
Yeah, and I think it's there's a big cat with that.
I think when everyone is healthy, he's probably not an
everyday player. You have Brendan Donovan, JP Crawford at short.
It's just there's always been one of those guys injured
at some point. This year, you haven't really had both
of them at once, so Leo Rivoss has had to
fill in those two spots. I think of him as

(33:18):
a role player or sorry, you know, utility guy, defensive
specialist who can draw a fair amount of walks. You know,
I there's there's an issue of him playing every day.
But this wasn't by design, right you you traded for
Brendan Donovan. I'm not gonna fall to the roster construction
too harshly. On this one, because it's not like you

(33:41):
expected Leo Rivas to be an everyday player going into
this year. But you're right, I think I did expect
him to be a little bit better at the plate
than he has been so far. I still feel like
I may I don't know how you bid feel about this.
They won't do it, but I think he's a better
shortstop than JP at this point. I would rather see
him there and then JPD hing, But then that takes

(34:02):
one of Canzona Railey out of the lineup because then
only one of them can play right field. That there's
a whole kind of domino effect with that. But I
to me, this is just injury related. This Brendan Donovan's
out and then JP Crawford is out to start the year.
That's the only reason we've seen him almost every single
day this year.

Speaker 1 (34:21):
Right, And you know, I think the Mariners' depth is
better than it has been in most years. But this
is still something where you see.

Speaker 4 (34:28):
This isn't like Tommy Lostella starting second base on obelbe
you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (34:34):
Yeah, Tommy Lostella literally had to hit and literally could
not hit to provide any type of value for you whatsoever.
Leo Rivos is a perfectly capable defender at second base,
third base, and can even handle shortstop. I don't hate
the idea of him playing shortstop over Crawford. That's more
of an insult to Crawford than compliment to Revos, if
I'm being completely honest with you. But yeah, it's an

(34:57):
interesting thing to see because man, those at bats last
night were ugly, ugly, ugly ugly. And you know, he's
hitting ninth, there's not a huge offensive expectation for him,
but it does. You know, it's basically an automatic out
right now. It's which weird to say for somebody who
draws a ton of walks. I want to give credit

(35:19):
to Wilson. I thought he used the bench actually really
well last night. Yes, they don't end up scoring a run,
but Rev Sneyder comes up for Canzone and gets a knock,
Connor Joe draws a walk. Unfortunately, afterwards, Young Garver and
Revas just do not get the job done at all.
But it was nice to see those bench bats contribute
a little bit. It was also really nice to see
the bullpen pitch as well as it did, and Jose

(35:41):
Ferrer I continue to just get frustrated by the fans
reaction to this dude. He's got a two point one
two ERA and he's worked multiple innings several times this year.
He looked really good yesterday, Bizarro looked good, and then
Andres Munoz just looked fantastic as well.

Speaker 2 (35:59):
So, you know, was Logan Gilbert at his best? Nowhere
close to it, But it was.

Speaker 1 (36:04):
Nice to see that bullpen and that bench do a
pretty nice job in that one as well.

Speaker 4 (36:10):
Yeah, and you know, if we were wrong, I don't
need to say we were wrong about JP Crawford yesterday
in the immediate reaction, but it is funny timing how
we are harsh on his defense and then he comes
up with a big home run. That's that's the reality
of sports radio. We're gonna get flamed for that. It's okay,
But sure the people who thought that you and I

(36:30):
kind of glazing the bullpen a little bit were on
a rocker. You kind of saw why they This is
without Matt Brash and gave spire. So that's your theoretically,
what is that if you're talking about Ferrara and Bizardo,
that's your third and fourth, fourth and fifth like leverage arms.

(36:50):
If those are fourth and fifth leverage arms that you're
in a really good position. And I totally agree with
you on Jose Ferrer also, And if you throw props
to Dan Wilson regarding the use of the bench, I'm
gonna throw out props to Dan Wilson with leaving Ferrer
for matt Olsen to start the eighth inning. And I
realized it was laid out on a platter for him.

(37:12):
It's like, hey, we have our lefty specialist who just
had a quick seventh inning, and then we have their
best left handed hitter coming up in the eighth inning.
But I could totally see a reality where he's like, no,
we don't want Ferrer to go the extra out, we
want a clean inning for Bizarto, all that stuff. But
he did the right thing, stuck with Ferrer for matt Olsen,
then took him out right after that and Bizardo came

(37:33):
in and dominated. So I am feeling good about the
bullpen and they've been really good for a long stretch
of the season.

Speaker 1 (37:40):
And I just think it's worth pointing out too. I know,
because everybody reads prospect lists. Everyone was enamored with Harry Ford,
and I'm not saying I didn't like Harry Ford. For
those who don't know, I do a lot of prospect stuff.
It's kind of how I got my start in this industry.
Would you like to know what Harry Ford is slugging
in Triple.

Speaker 2 (37:58):
A right now? A baseball?

Speaker 5 (38:00):
Yes?

Speaker 9 (38:01):
What is it?

Speaker 2 (38:02):
Two fourteen?

Speaker 3 (38:03):
That's not his batting average.

Speaker 1 (38:05):
Nope, his batting average is one seventy nine. He has
a five hundred ops. So look it's early. It's only
ninety eight played appearances. I think Jose Ferrara is helping
the Seattle Mariners a hell of a lot more than
Harry Ford would, all due respect, yeah, I just don't
think that you can argue that right now. And good

(38:26):
for you, Jose Ferrara. I think you're going to be
a really nice piece of this bullpen for the foreseeable future. Anyway, Uh, yesterday,
you guys got a chance or you guys Jessamine worked
her you know what off and got a chance to
interview some players. I think we should play some of
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Light Mariners win the first game of the series against
Atlanta after trailing four to nothing.

Speaker 2 (39:15):
Thank you JP Crawford, Thank you Luke Raley.

Speaker 1 (39:18):
Both of them with multay multi ron homers to get time.

Speaker 3 (39:21):
Let's go.

Speaker 2 (39:23):
It was so huge.

Speaker 1 (39:24):
Second game of the series tonight George Kirby against Bryce Elder,
Seahawk signing veteran edge rusher Dante Fowler Junior to a
one year deal that is worked up to five million dollars.
In golf, two time Major champion John Rahm said he
has multiple years left on his contract with Live Golf
and doesn't seem many ways out as the league attempts

(39:44):
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Speaker 1 (39:59):
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the hospital following a stint for a stomach related issue.
In the Minnesota Wild are making a switch in net
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Speaker 1 (40:32):
FM, Chris Crawford and for Ian Forness. So yesterday Jessman
worked for You Know What off and got a chance
to interview get some really good interviews with some players
for Softy and Dick who just fall into.

Speaker 2 (40:47):
The lap of the hard work of other people.

Speaker 1 (40:48):
It's what they've done for their entire careers and it's
just a real shock that they did it again. But
they got a chance to talk to Emerson Hancock coming
off not just one of the most dominant starts for
the Mariners, one of the most dominant starts in Major
League Baseball, and he had a chance to talk to
them and had some really interesting things to say about
how his season has started.

Speaker 10 (41:07):
After striking out fourteen, Everson Hancock joins us right now
across the street at T Mobile Park.

Speaker 5 (41:13):
Emerson, how are you man?

Speaker 11 (41:16):
Hey, guys, just going on? Thanks for having me on.

Speaker 10 (41:18):
Yeah, not much man. First of all, congrats on a
hell of a start on Saturday night. I know you
trade it all for a win against those pesky Royals
on Saturday, but damn did you look good?

Speaker 5 (41:28):
Man?

Speaker 10 (41:29):
How did that feel? How'd you feel going through that
lineup on Saturday?

Speaker 12 (41:33):
Pal?

Speaker 11 (41:35):
Yeah, I mean I think Saturday was special, you know,
just with you know, retiring Randy's number. For me, it
was a completely a whole new experience because you know,
I'm trying to get ready for the game, but you know,
as it's going on, like you kind of want to
enjoy of everything that's going on. You see all the
messages with people sending in he congratulating Randy, so I mean,

(41:55):
obviously congrats to him. That was awesome. And then you know,
just trying to be locked in and get ready to
go out there, and it's a cute and you know,
it's kind of part of it. The overall pretty special night.
Like you said, would love to get the win, but
that's baseball.

Speaker 13 (42:06):
Yeah, let's talk about Emerson Hancock as a pitcher. Difference
between twenty twenty five and twenty twenty six. Obviously, even
idiots like me can see the sweeper that we didn't
see last year. But what else besides that new pitch
has taken you to the next level.

Speaker 11 (42:21):
I think just more strikes. You know, the walks are down,
you know, commanding the ball in the strike gone, just
trusting your stuff a little bit more. And you know,
if you're eliminating free bases and you make some treing
together a couple of hits, it's a lot harder on
opposing lineup.

Speaker 5 (42:35):
No question about it.

Speaker 10 (42:36):
But the transformation from a guy that this team was
using as a reliever, remember that those days at times
last year and where you are now. I mean, just
talk about this journey and kind of what you felt
that you had to show these guys to earn this
spot that you have now.

Speaker 11 (42:53):
Yeah, I mean I think you got to go out
and you got to earn it, you know, week by week.
I think last year was you know, a grow experience
in a lot of different ways as a starter, but
also learning you know, how to be a bullpen piece.
And for me, you know, extremely grateful for that experience,
just the things that you learned about preparation, you know,
a different mental approach to it, and you know, I

(43:14):
knew I needed to make some adjustments going to this season.
I knew that I needed to pitch to a higher
standard because you know, that's that's the level that we
want to pitch at here, and you were able to
make some adjustments. I went into camp and you know,
everything had just seemed like, you know, it had improved
on it, and I just kind of wanted to keep
going at it. And there's still always stuff to work
on and improve and I just kind of want to

(43:35):
try to keep doing that week by week.

Speaker 13 (43:37):
Well, I don't think you're ever going to forget that
start on Saturday night, no question about it, not just
because of the fourteen strikeouts, because it was also Randy
Johnson Knight. How much did that kind of juice you up,
inspire you? And then also how did you have to
adjust because I mean, you guys didn't start for fifteen
to twenty minutes past when you thought you were going
to start pitching in that game.

Speaker 11 (43:58):
Well, I mean, you know going into it that the
schedule might be a little bit off, but I mean
that's just part of it. But I mean that's also
kind of you know, what it's like being a reliever
in a way, like there's no certain routine, it's just
getting the bullpen get loose, and you know, when it's
time for first pitch, just go out there and compete.
And again, like like you said, you always remember a
night like that, and you know you're trying to enjoy

(44:19):
it as much you can because it's a special moment
for anyone that that happens.

Speaker 3 (44:24):
You get your jersey retired, all.

Speaker 11 (44:26):
The stuff that went into like the career that he had,
the competitor that he was, Like, you want to appreciate
that as much as you can as a player, and
just to be able to start on it, you know,
was a was an honor.

Speaker 10 (44:36):
Yeah, did you Emerson Hancock with us? Did you honestly
try to convince the skipper or even think about, all right,
I'm at one hundred and three pitches, it's a career high.
I've struck out fourteen. I really don't want to leave
this game. Did you try and convince Dan to let
you keep going at least to come out for the
eighth for one more hitter.

Speaker 11 (44:58):
I mean, as competitor, are you, you always want to go
in there, But at the same time, you know, I
just go until they take the ball away from me.
You know, I just want to do my job. I
want to do the best that I can. And you
know when Dan said it was, you know, the end
of the night. You know, that's that's part of it.
He turned over the bullpen and the you know, the
rest of the game just kind of goes that way.
But you never want to come out. But at the

(45:20):
same time, you know when the just kind of you
do everything you can down there to I just whatever
Dan says, it's all right, I see it for what
we got you.

Speaker 13 (45:29):
Yeah, Everson, I'm looking at your game log and it's
ridiculously consistent. I mean, the worst game you've pitched this
year is five innings, three runs, and yet when you
look at the results, you only have three decisions.

Speaker 5 (45:43):
You're two and one. The team's three and four when you.

Speaker 13 (45:46):
Pitch, So is that does it get a little you know,
you get a little legs and you're like, man, I
really want to help this I'm doing everything I can
to help this team win. But it's not always happening
on the win loss Ledger, I.

Speaker 11 (45:58):
Think that's just baseball like that. That's how this game
is going to go, and that's how the season's gonna go.
And you know that just goes.

Speaker 12 (46:05):
For all of us.

Speaker 11 (46:06):
We got there, We compete as hard as we can.
You know, you trust your stuff and at the end
of the day, the results are what they are. You
just want to go out there and do everything we
can to try to get wins.

Speaker 5 (46:14):
Yeah. Well, talk about this, Brave Steamer real quick.

Speaker 10 (46:17):
I'm assuming a kid from Cairo, Georgia may have grown
up in Atlanta, brave fan.

Speaker 5 (46:21):
Do I have that right?

Speaker 12 (46:23):
Yeah? You got that right for sure.

Speaker 10 (46:25):
Okay, what's it like for I mean, what's it like
facing these guys? I mean, you've been around the majors
long enough now where the whole novelty's probably worn off
a little bit for you. Maybe it would have been
a different question when you were a rookie a few
years back, But what do you think about maybe just
you know, seeing these guys across the way, and and
you know, having your team go up against your childhood

(46:45):
you know team in some ways.

Speaker 11 (46:48):
Yeah, absolutely, I remember pitching against something I think back
in twenty four and that was one of the more
experiences where you're, Okay, like this is really cool. And
I think now it's gotten to the point where you know,
you're you're looking at their lineup, you're looking at the team,
and you know I won't get a pitch this series,
but you're still thinking about, like, all right, how would
I go against these guys? How would I want to
match up to them? And you kind of want to
you see how the game goes. They got a great team,

(47:10):
great lineup, just all around really good groups. So it's
gonna be a great series, great challenge for us.

Speaker 10 (47:15):
Yeah, Everson Hancock, listen man, great stuff. Did you one
more for you?

Speaker 5 (47:18):
We'll let you go.

Speaker 10 (47:19):
Did you save anything from that game on Saturday any memorabilia?

Speaker 5 (47:24):
Like are you a collector? Are you? Are you even
into that kind of stuff?

Speaker 12 (47:28):
Not too much.

Speaker 11 (47:29):
I mean obviously you know you get a ball obviously
with the career high strikeout, that's something that I'll keep forever.
And it's actually got you know, like they did the
logo with Randy Johnson on it, which I was like,
all right, that's really really cool and that's something that
I know I'll keep forever. Yeah, And I thought, what
a what a cool wait, especially with the stuff they
we have in our hats and our jerseys. I mean

(47:50):
just they did a great job with that on Saturday.

Speaker 5 (47:53):
Night, no doubt.

Speaker 10 (47:54):
Hey, listen man, great job Saturday. Go get them next
time around, and then we'll talk down the road.

Speaker 5 (47:59):
Buddy.

Speaker 11 (47:59):
Thanks every awesome God, thank you all so much for
having me.

Speaker 1 (48:04):
So, I think the most shocking thing I learned from
that interview anders.

Speaker 2 (48:07):
Is I think he might be from Georgia.

Speaker 1 (48:12):
I think not that Emerson automatically gave it away, but
that guy sounded like he was he was ready to
go to Maybury like that is. I forget sometimes just
how southern Emerson Hancock is. He does it's very it's relaxing. Yeah,
some Southern draws are not relaxing.

Speaker 2 (48:34):
Some of them make you.

Speaker 1 (48:36):
Fearful that there is a gator that is coming to
get you. That one is more like, uh, hey, we're
gonna have some mar' not marmalade, but we're gonna have
some moments. Yes, gumbo sounds incredible right now. But thanks
so much to Emerson for joining Softy and Dick, and
I guess they did fine with the interview. But I

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think what the most interesting thing he mentioned there was
So you picture Emerson Hancock right the last couple of years,
quite a few clunkers, some decent starts, but quite a
few clunkers, But you don't really picture him as a guy.

Speaker 2 (49:10):
Who sometimes struggles to throw strikes.

Speaker 1 (49:13):
Emerson Hancock has been a guy in the past who
has really struggled to throw consistent strikes. And when you
don't have elite swing and miss stuff, that really adds up.
That self inflicted damage was one of the reasons why
there were some just heck, look at that very first
start he had against Detroit like last year. Yes, doesn't
even get out of the first inning. They send him

(49:33):
down to see Luis F. Castillo, And that's not me, Sueer,
and that is Louise F. Castino that made starts for
your Mariners. They had that little confidence in him. Well,
now not only is he just pounding the strike zone,
he's missing bats at a rate that I just didn't
expect to see. And I was a big fan of
Emerson Hancock. There was a chance if Emerson Hancock could

(49:56):
have been drafted right after his sophomore year, like right
after like the draft takes place right then, he might
have been the first overall pick. Like he was showing
ninety eight miles per hour fastball, a plus slider, a
plus change, the ability to throw all of those pitches
for strikes. He looked legit and then you know, that's
the twenty twenty year where a lot of things go

(50:16):
wrong for a lot of people and it uncludes draft prospects.
You know, is stock wings a little bit. The Mariners
are thrilled to get him at six, but it's been
kind of an up and down journey. But this is
the other thing about baseball, Anders, You never can really
give up on talent. You just can't because, yeah, you
might have to make some adjustments, Yeah you might have

(50:37):
to deal with more bitter than better, but there's always
that chance that better is going to come through. You
just cannot give up on talent in this league.

Speaker 3 (50:46):
Yeah, no, you can't.

Speaker 4 (50:47):
And the other thing I really like about baseball, and
you can say this about most other sports too, but
I think baseball is especially the case here. Career paths
are not linear. Oh they go up, they go down,
they go back up. You have an early season, you know,
or an early career spike, and then you have a
sophomore slump and then you know you're kind of an

(51:07):
everyday utility person, and then all of a sudden, Max
Munsey looking at you. Dodgers finds a way to become
at age like thirty two one of the best players
at your position just being in a different situation. There's
so many cases of you know, there are cases of
the young guys hitting the ground running, being good from
the beginning, and just continuing to be good from.

Speaker 3 (51:28):
That point on.

Speaker 4 (51:29):
But there are also cases like Emerson Hancock, where even
if you have that talent, have that high pedigree, you
may not have the early success that a lot of
other people expect of you, but you eventually do find
it if you keep grinding and finding your way. And
I love the new armslot with him, and I think
he's as someone listening to his very well rounded and

(51:49):
kind of centered and grounded, you know viewpoint when he's talking,
I don't, I don't. I'm not surprised that him not
having early success didn't throw him off.

Speaker 1 (52:00):
No, And you know, coachability is very important, especially for pitchers. Yes,
the ability to make those adjustments, and there are some
guys who are willing to do it. There are some
guys who flame out, not just because of injury, not
just because of mechanical issues, but because they don't want
to put that work in. I've never got to that impression,
And you know, there's a reason Emerson Hancock hasn't been moved.

(52:22):
There was a reason why Seattle said we are not
going to sell this guy for fifty cents on the dollar.

Speaker 2 (52:27):
So here's a fun question for you Anderson Hurst.

Speaker 3 (52:29):
Yeah, what's up.

Speaker 1 (52:31):
Let's say that the Seattle Mariners had a playoff series
starting tomorrow. You probably know where I'm going.

Speaker 3 (52:38):
I do.

Speaker 2 (52:39):
Who's starting game one? Game one?

Speaker 4 (52:41):
I'd say George Kirby. He was your Game one starter
last year, and I don't think he's done anything to
discount that. But Emerson Hancock's one of the three. That's
that's absolutely one of the you know, obvious answers for me.
The real question is who's the third one? Yeah, seriously,
I'm not even joking at this point.

Speaker 1 (53:02):
So I know the last two have been uh oof
macgoof phrase I like to say, and probably should get
T shirts made.

Speaker 2 (53:10):
I still go with Brian Will Okay, I still go
with Brian.

Speaker 4 (53:13):
Really, So you're dropping Logan Gilbert out of the playoff rotation?

Speaker 2 (53:17):
I am three game series now, he's starting game four
for me? Like, you can't start in Luis Castillo over
Logan Gilbert.

Speaker 4 (53:23):
Right, Okay, but you don't go back to Kirby then
you do four starters.

Speaker 2 (53:27):
No, okay, yeah, similar to what they did in Detroit.

Speaker 1 (53:30):
And I can't remember the exact order there, but where
Bryce Miller ended up starting gating four, Even with that
situation with him not being very good prior to that,
I still think you go with four.

Speaker 4 (53:42):
But Brian was on the shelf at that point, so
I think it was Kirby.

Speaker 1 (53:45):
That's a good point. It's a good point. If everybody's healthy,
it's going to be interesting. But yeah, Hancock has to
be one of the starters. And imagine saying that. On
February twenty seventh, talk to josh in Next Sports Radio
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Now here's Ian with our weekly baseball fix from Joshian.

Speaker 1 (54:32):
Chris Crawford in for a Furness, and I am honored
to talk to one of the best baseball minds out
there and one of the people that.

Speaker 2 (54:42):
I actually look forward to talking to.

Speaker 1 (54:44):
I gotta be honest, not a lot of them, but
Joe Shehan is one of those. But Joe, I'm gonna
open it with golf because I know you're a golf guy.
Do you even feel kind of bad for John Ram
right now?

Speaker 9 (54:56):
I had him in a lead where basically you can
take guys like rom and you're only gonna get the
four majors out of them. But I don't really feel
back for him. He took the money. I don't feel
bad for any of those guys. I made the decision
for themselves, and whatever happens happened. It never at no
point did it seemed like lib was actually going to last.
So you guys got paid, and I guess he's gonna

(55:17):
play some some tournaments on the VP World tornaw.

Speaker 2 (55:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (55:22):
Yeah, it's it's very similar to the good old tweet,
the me reaping. Heck yes, me sewing or whatever that's
supposed to be. Uh, they found out, They found out
pretty hard. Yeah, So John Ram, congrats on the millions
of dollars and I'm sure everything will work out just
fine for you. But let's talk some Seattle Mariner baseball

(55:43):
who you know you gave me a hard time. I
mentioned that the vibes felt very, very low heading into
the sixth thing. It's a three nothing game, and then
things change very quickly because of a Luke Rayley homer
and a JP Crawt or two run homer. Look, it's
May fourth now, it was May fourth, then it's May
fifth now.

Speaker 2 (56:04):
Uh Am.

Speaker 1 (56:04):
I crazy to think that that win feel at least
a little bit necessary for the Seattle Mariners.

Speaker 9 (56:11):
I mean, I'm just hoping to get you to say
that the vibes around Joshi and are really terrible, you know,
because you know, you know me, I'm very some somebody
who's always going to take the most patient rout. I'm
rarely going to even thirty five games into the season.
It's just not a lot of time. I feel like
when he said that last night, we joked about it,
but you know I'm doing I've been coming out of

(56:33):
the end and you for a couple of years now,
and it feels like every year with the Mariners, we
get you a stretch where they just don't look good
and the vibes feel really bad. I mean, I think
it's worse this year. This is not a good defensive team.
And that is there are two ways, I think, well
maybe three ways that it's like it stinks to be
a fan.

Speaker 14 (56:51):
For a team.

Speaker 9 (56:51):
One is the Bolton is really bad, so you're up
three to one in the seventh all the time and
you keep losing. A second is the defense, and you
see it with the scene you and I. I don't
think you and I talked about Crawford that I talked
about a lot with Ian, but it's just signed the
defensive team. It's not gonna you know, Randy RaSE Arena is,
I don't know why he's not that good as in left,

(57:12):
but he's not so really You've got you know, Paul Young,
Rally and Hiluo Rodriguez who are plus defenders. And then
you know, Donovan was very shaky at third. I'm not
sure what they'll do after he comes back. And that
to me is it becomes a hard watch. It's just
very and that will contribute to as you said last night,
the vibes and like the divide can turn around with

(57:34):
a two on Homer. Uh, you know was world Weaver's
line momentum is tomorrow starting pitchers, but the narrative have
been hard to watch in a way that would certainly
give you that impression.

Speaker 1 (57:44):
Chris Crawford and Free in forness talking to Joe she
and Logan Gilbert six and things four runs, all four
of those on solo homers. Andrews and I have talked
about this a little bit that Logan Gilbert has had
some of the best swinging miss stuff in baseball over
the last few years, but since that injury, he's really
struggled to get deep in games. And when he does

(58:04):
get deep where he's able to get sixth inning, boy,
it seems like he's struggling to get through those. Is
it the case of hitters picking up the baseball better?
Because I mentioned this was Anders. It's not an extension
thing because that guy generates the most extension of anybody
in baseball. It's still, I think hard to pick it up,
but they sure seem to have a lot more success.

Speaker 2 (58:25):
Late in games.

Speaker 1 (58:25):
Is this just you know, how much of this is
based on just baseball players being a lot better when
they see a guy a few times, and how much
of this has to do with Logan Gilbert's stuff in command.

Speaker 9 (58:36):
Well, the stuff she is about to say, surely the
velocity is the fan. He's change of his pitch picks
a little bit like everybody is still in the fastball
a little bit less and trying to work on put
some other stuff forward. But he's watching it. It seems
like he's talking about this with guys like Dave Bush
and George Kirby's had this prompem sometimes where you're almost
around the plate too much. He'd almost be better off

(58:56):
he's working outside the zone and not being quite so
oder the plate is munch and I think a lot
of that is he's throwing very He's thing more hittable pitches.
Guys are sitting on him. I mean, the quality of
contact off Logan Gilbert so far this year is incredible.
So whether it's a deception thing, every time a guy
doves a three runs in the minning we're here about

(59:18):
only must be pipping. Maybe he's not funneling correctly.

Speaker 14 (59:21):
I haven't.

Speaker 9 (59:22):
I'm gonna be honest with you to hit me with
this now.

Speaker 14 (59:24):
I can't say I've got a deep dive on Logan Gilbert, but.

Speaker 9 (59:26):
Just seem to me like he should be getting the
results that he's gotten based on this stuff, so I
have to assume it's something where as you say, guys
are picking up the ball a little bit, a little
bit better than they have in pretty prior season. But
I look at the stuff, but I think he's really
the same guy.

Speaker 1 (59:42):
What in the heck are you doing with your life
if you're not doing deep dives on Logan Gilbert show, come.

Speaker 12 (59:46):
On, not much.

Speaker 1 (59:51):
No, it's totally totally understandable. So Logan Gilbert has a
two and three record, I know wins and losses, a
four point three to Oho e Ra and at one
point three zero Way have. Meanwhile, Emerson Hancock has looked
like the ace of the Seattle Mariners staff, coming off
a seven inning start, fourteen strikeouts and Joe his sweeper

(01:00:12):
in that start against the Royals, that was one of
the best breaking balls that I have seen this year.

Speaker 2 (01:00:17):
You know, a guy who has.

Speaker 1 (01:00:18):
Prospect pedigree, was the sixth overall pick, has had some
flashes of good in the majors, but have been often
followed by some real stinky clunkers. How much are you
buying into Emerson Hancock.

Speaker 9 (01:00:30):
Now a little bit just because he stopped walking us. Yeah,
was it less than a walk a start or six walks?
Six walks and seven starts now? And you know I
talked about guys being around the zone, but when you
simply stopped walking here, I think about going back a
little bit here, guys on cab two Sturry or state
period Kirch shilling this guy, I always thinking about it

(01:00:51):
here where I'm going to throw strikes. Yes, I'm going
to give us some hard contact, but I'm not going
to give up any walk. And that's where how much
as Tony Kenkock has been this year, it's very hard
to I'm gonna actually I'll use the name that you
guys are failing with in Seattle. And Carlos Somo, who
added his best was also this this type of picture verrechus.
I'm never going to walk anybody, and I'm gonna take
my chances with the rest of it. You know, for me, Hancocks,

(01:01:13):
the guy who struggled with that, you know, I become
coming he was you mentioned the pedigree coming out of Georgia.

Speaker 14 (01:01:19):
I believe it was.

Speaker 9 (01:01:20):
I know it was dancing and he just would come
up and he'd look very good at times because this
stuff is major lea quality, but you know, you're just
walking too many guys, and he's taken that out of
his gate.

Speaker 14 (01:01:31):
He mentioned the sweeper the other day.

Speaker 9 (01:01:34):
I didn't think coming into this season that he would
be able to hold off Bryce Miller. And of course
now I think you're talking about the question is you know,
did they go to a six man when Miller's ready?

Speaker 2 (01:01:43):
Do they shit?

Speaker 9 (01:01:45):
You know, Luis Castill. There was some talk on our slack,
the newsletter slack aby who might go to the bullpen?
And I'm thinking maybe Castillo. Maybe you take him and
you say, what can you do for me in a
two inning.

Speaker 14 (01:01:56):
Role out of that bullpen?

Speaker 9 (01:01:57):
So we'll still wait to see how that's going to go.
But I don't you can take Hancock.

Speaker 14 (01:02:00):
Out of the legation at this point.

Speaker 1 (01:02:03):
Chris Crawford and for Infnest talking to Joe Shean, you
mentioned Castillo, and I do think he looked better in
that last start, but you know, the overall results have
been very much wanting concerns about Luis Castillo. It's interesting
because I've talked about this before. While Luis Castillo has

(01:02:24):
been a very successful pitcher, and I can't write off
a guy just based off you know, six seven starts
of not.

Speaker 2 (01:02:30):
Being where he usually is.

Speaker 1 (01:02:33):
He does feel like the type of guy that is
going to have a rather steep decline because of the
fact that he generates so little extension. How do you
think Luis Castillo's stuff would play up if he was
to make that move to the bullpen.

Speaker 9 (01:02:49):
Well, the hope is that he goes and finds a
two miles an hour that he's been missing to back.
It's pretty much just been a steady movie a half
quick a season and that's you know, and asal, I'm
throwing his fastball more. They talked about this with the
end last week. It's kind of a strange thing that's
off less effective now throwing it more often. I think
you put him in the bull piece, say can you
go back and find can you get back to ninety

(01:03:10):
four out of the bullpen throwing, you know, twice a week.
I'm not talking about turning into an ah inning guy.
I really would like to see him in a multi
inning type role and put him in a situation where
you're gonna come in the sixth and you're going to
pitch as.

Speaker 14 (01:03:22):
Long as you can.

Speaker 9 (01:03:23):
The Rockies, you're using it to only a set of
the telligence way right now it comes to the assage stress.
Using been ground this way until last night. So if
I'm moving into the bullten, it's not the Burier, it's
to try to use him to fill the absence, you know,
Matt Rash, not really because Matt Brash is really a
one inning guy, but trying to find somebody who can
give you pitch a sixth and seventh in front of
you know, Bizarto and Perrera mean, I think you can

(01:03:45):
be that guy, but he's got to buy into it.
Whose Castillo has always been a starting pitcher of his
entire career. It's really it's hard to not present it
as his emotion, right, and you really got to get
buy in from the player he's going to do this.

Speaker 1 (01:04:01):
Chris Crawford and free in Fornaci. I think that's a
really good point, and I'm just looking at these metrics.
Unfortunately for Luis Castillo. You know, the fastball velocity is
still okay at ninety five miles per hour, but maybe
you do get up to that ninety seven ninety eight.
So you mentioned JP Crawford and you know, of course
Anders and I railed on JP Crawford in his defense
and you know, he didn't make a big defensive play,

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but he does hit.

Speaker 2 (01:04:23):
That huge homer.

Speaker 1 (01:04:24):
And you know, the plate skills of JP Crawford have
never been questioned. This is a guy who draws a
ton of walks, fouls off pitches, doesn't usually swing at
pitches outside of the strike zone.

Speaker 2 (01:04:35):
Anders and I talked about this a little bit earlier.

Speaker 1 (01:04:37):
You know, there are a lot of guys who probably
profile best at designated hitter for the Seattle Mariners. JP
Crawford can still be a valuable player if he was
to move in a DH role. In Colt Emerson, they
deemed ready to play shortstop. Do you agree with that.

Speaker 9 (01:04:51):
Joe, I moved at the roster and I just think
Crawford's like this third best left hand in dah option.
I that's the best use for him. I mean, I
would love to see him as the fourth, as a
fifth pie, I mean, I I'm talking about I wanted
Emerson up Dune of his struggles to play at consistent
third base start of the year. You could could you

(01:05:12):
move Crawford over. I would like to see that you
move Crawford over, let him play third, maybe platoons. It's
not fairly a natural platoon on the roster because they didn't.
I think both Joe and Res Snyder have played third
base at some point, but I.

Speaker 14 (01:05:24):
Doubt you heard that was either one of them.

Speaker 9 (01:05:26):
Now, Uh, it's it's an awkward roster. I just and
he is. It's hard because you Crawford was at one
time a good defensive shortstop, and we can talk about
this was last fall, though he's he's turning the team there.
And of course there's the Emerson question. I don't really
like the idea of moving Emerson to third base when
he's going to be your shortstop next year. Anyway, I

(01:05:47):
would rather just rip the band aid off, plug in
Emerson at shortstop, and ask Crawford, you know, are you
Is he a guy who's considered to be a leader.

Speaker 14 (01:05:56):
If so, this is the moment to lead. I lived
through the Derek Jeter Ali. I read this here in Well.
I wasn't in New York at.

Speaker 9 (01:06:02):
The time, but this guy who was supposed to be
such a leader wouldn't actually move off the position and
considered his even though a better player and much of
a defensive player was coming on. I find I always
find this to be the moment where we learned, Okay,
are you about the team and putting the best team
on the field, or are you best protecting a.

Speaker 1 (01:06:17):
Church Chris Crawford and free in Fornes stoking to Joe Shean,
So one of these saving graces for the Mariners season
this year and early it is. But you just take
a look at the American League and outside of New
York and Tampa Bay, Uh, surprisingly, everyone in the American
League kind of stinks, Joe, Like.

Speaker 2 (01:06:38):
What's going on?

Speaker 1 (01:06:39):
Is this a is this a case of just too
small of a sample size to really take it seriously?
But you know, I look at some of these rosters too, Joe,
and I see an awful lot of flaws. Even with
the Yankees and the race, I definitely see I definitely
see flaws with the Tampa Bay Rays. But the American
League it's just kind of a disaster right now.

Speaker 9 (01:06:58):
Well, that's always going to be the because of an
early play. You are going to have that some on
the scale. Now, leagues are not going to some to
five hundred this year. The National League is ninety four
and seventy three, which they made the map on the
air for fifty five.

Speaker 14 (01:07:13):
So they're just a blue You guys are still mad
about that. I was talking about this earlier on different here.
I kind of want to throw something out there.

Speaker 9 (01:07:25):
If you go through the last twenty five years, the
straight through the league does kind of bounce back and forth,
and I think it's set by the teams at the top.
They go back to the early the early part of
this century, and you had the Yankee Dynasty, and you
had the Moneyball A's, and you had the John Henry
Red Sox, and you had the Angels back where they
were a functioning organization. They were raising the level for
everybody else. And now we're in a time where the

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National League teams are the ones really setting the pace.

Speaker 14 (01:07:51):
You've got the Dodgers and the Mets.

Speaker 9 (01:07:52):
Not successful, but they're obviously putting a lot of money
into their team. You've got the Cubs, who were kind
of moving into this more dominant mode. The brain he
had been strong for a while, the Phillies have been
strong for a while, the Padres, the top teams in
the National League are leggetting the bar for everybody else,
so everybody else has got to get better. I really
think that this isn't just a mastering. I think the

(01:08:13):
National League is significantly better than the American.

Speaker 1 (01:08:15):
The Grand Chris Crawford and Free in fornaz talking to
Joe sheian So speaking of Atlanta.

Speaker 2 (01:08:22):
The team Seattle is playing right now has gotten off
to an.

Speaker 1 (01:08:24):
Excellent start, and one of the reasons for that excellent start,
surprising to me, has been Bryce Elder, a guy who
is going to pitch for Atlanta tonight, who's been excellent
this year.

Speaker 2 (01:08:34):
A one point eight eight era, a one point zero five.

Speaker 1 (01:08:37):
Whip, A guy who has not had a whole hell
of a lot of success in the major leagues outside
of his twenty twenty three campaign. Has Bryce Elder changed
or is this a case of a guy who has
had some really fortunate results to begin the year.

Speaker 14 (01:08:52):
It's a little bit of ball.

Speaker 9 (01:08:53):
He's doing a better job of being the pitcher he
needs to be with a stuffyang. He's not somebody who
throws terribly hard. It's really a sinker slider guy.

Speaker 14 (01:09:00):
I don't think we even use that term anymore.

Speaker 9 (01:09:01):
But the locations have been so much better this year.
I've watched a decent number of starts with the newsletter
I do a gaming side newsletter, and for three or
four years now, I've just been picking against Bryce Elder
just automatically, and of course that has gone very well
this year, So I didn't watching a lot of the starts,
and just the locations are fantastic. Now, that's the kind
of guy he can be. He's more of a three

(01:09:23):
or four. I've projected him as a five or six.
Certainly been a big part of me brave success, given
that every other starter he has gotten hurt. Can he
sustain it at this level of bucket ed or or
whatever it is? And today, No, that's not who he is.
But I do think the combination of things, one, the
somewhat deader ball that we've been playing with the last
couple of years helps guys like this. And I'm thinking

(01:09:44):
of telling you, if you Sadana, I'm thinking of Jack
o'conna went to then on these pitchers who don't have
brief stuff and have to get outcomes on bad involved
to make it work. Elder is certainly one of those guys.
So he's certainly he's been helped by that. We'll see
what happens is the weather warms up at the baseball
from the baseball changes. But the last two years the
baseball have been consistently high drag baseball, which is to say,

(01:10:06):
when you hit them, they don't go very far. So
Elder is pitching at the right time for his skill set.

Speaker 2 (01:10:12):
Joe is Drake Baldwin the best catcher in baseball.

Speaker 9 (01:10:14):
Right now, he's the best player in baseball last Oh, okay, okay,
it's been a lot of watch and you know, it's
weird time when catchers are not expected to hit. It's
almost like, if you can hit, we're going to move
you off of catcher. We've talked about the Nichols law
catch a defense a thousand years ago, where if you hit,
we just decided you couldn't play defense.

Speaker 14 (01:10:36):
Now we have better.

Speaker 9 (01:10:37):
Metrics to catch a defense now, but generally speaking, you know,
the model for catching is can you frame? And everything
else's secondary attertionary. And now we have a catcher and
Drake Baldwin comes up and it's a three D with
walks an hour, it's a weapon. Like if you can
get that kind of production out of the catch response.
And you know, Baldwin doesn't get a lot of heat

(01:10:59):
for his receiving, his framing anything like that, but he
certainly adequate back there. Nobody that everybody has to have
Austin Hedges back there, and everybody has to have Patrick
family back there. But the advantage he did to plate
having this one twenty oh ps plus guy up there,
left handed back into all fields. Really just a wonderful hitter.
So that's a huge advantage for the Braze. Actually hit

(01:11:20):
lead off in the absence of the tune.

Speaker 14 (01:11:21):
At the other day.

Speaker 9 (01:11:22):
I worry a little bit about the playing time. It
worked in very hard. They set Sean Murphy back, but
it does seem like Baldman is going to be dah
on days where he doesn't catch. You know, I don't
tell Maratis Stands what that looks like. But that's how
good a hitter has become. So it's really a great story.
It's a fun team and of course it's the holiday
as far as Revet series, so that'll be one of

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the big storylines this week. The one thing I would
I would watch is he saw a little bit of
this last night.

Speaker 14 (01:11:49):
The bulks that are shaking.

Speaker 9 (01:11:49):
They're getting a glaciers back tonight, I believe. But I
did the sixth to the eighth, sixth to the Knights.

Speaker 14 (01:11:56):
For that thing.

Speaker 9 (01:11:56):
Robert Torres and we gets the back and glaciates the back.
That's where you can get to them. So yeah, you're
knock an elder out, You're not gonna uh sail out
and there's an opportunity to beat them in the middle
of next.

Speaker 2 (01:12:10):
Joe, thanks for slumming with me.

Speaker 1 (01:12:11):
I appreciate you being willing to talk to one of
the little people promote all of the awesome work that
you're doing.

Speaker 14 (01:12:17):
I just waited a few lowly tip that he and guy.

Speaker 2 (01:12:21):
I've been trying for too long. It's not possible.

Speaker 14 (01:12:24):
Thanks for the take care O.

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the Seattle Kraken with the Infernetes.

Speaker 1 (01:13:23):
Chris Crawford and free infinites. But you know what Ian's
not the only one who's allowed to talk about hockey.
Anders and I can talk about hockey. And today is
a really big day for the Seattle Kraken. And you
may be saying, Christopher Vincent Crawford, how can it be
a big day? They're not even playing. Well, today's the
draft lottery. And for those who are unfamiliar with how
draft lottery works, you take the teams he didn't make

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the postseason. You've got some ping pong balls, and it's
a chance for you to either move up or move
down in the draft. So if everything stays the same,
and you know there's a chance of that, then the
cracket will end up with the sixth pick. They have
a seven point five percent chance of getting that number
one overall pick. Vancouver number one, Odds number two, Chicago

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number three, the New York Rangers. If you're curious, some
of those guys that you should be paying attention to
for the class. Number one prospect by a long shot
is Gavin McKenna, a left winging out of Penn State
who scored fifty one points in his forty thirty five games.
But Evar Stenberg A believe he's out of Switzerland Sweden Anders,

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which one.

Speaker 4 (01:14:31):
A prospect guy, Swedish hockey player.

Speaker 1 (01:14:34):
Yeah, Swedish hockey player. Yeah, you know, they're all the
same to me. He's thirty three points in forty three games,
but he's considered one of the best offensive players in
the class. There's some really good defenseman like Keaton Verhoff,
Chase Reid. It's a considered a good draft class. But Anders,
We've talked about this a heck of a lot. Yes,

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we have the Seattle Kraken need to start acquiring some
emper echelon town. And you know, at seven point five percent,
chance of getting that number one pick is not great,
but you bet you're sweet, Bippy, then I'm gonna be
watching that draft lottery.

Speaker 2 (01:15:09):
And opening for the best today.

Speaker 1 (01:15:10):
Yeah, because getting a guy like a Gavin McKenna to
add to the organization it's huge. You've seen what has
happened with Maclin Celebrini, and you've see what happened with
the Oilers when they got Connor McDavid. And I'm not
even comparing mckennit to those players, but that notch below
can still lead to an awful.

Speaker 2 (01:15:30):
Lot of success.

Speaker 1 (01:15:31):
Chicago's paths with Connor Bedard is sure a lot easier
to predict success for them going forward. Man, they could
really use some really good luck tonight.

Speaker 12 (01:15:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:15:41):
I think Gavin McKenna is kind of an interesting one
because if you look at the last few years, last
year's number one overall pick, Matthew Schaeffer, started immediately in
the NHL and was one of the best defensemen in
in hockey already at age eighteen. The year before that
was Maclin Celebriney, we know how good he is. He's

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already one hundred plus point guy. Connor Bedard actually out
of those three, was the highest rated prospect, but he's
probably out of those three that had the slowest start.
But even he has had very good years for a
bad Chicago team. But then the year before that was
the year the Krack and got Shane Wright. And it's

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funny that, you know, the two years the krack Can
have had top five picks are probably the two weakest
drafts in the last six years. So there's a little
bit of luck involved with this, obviously when you're talking
about ping pong balls. But I think Gavin McKenna is
closer to the Badard Celebrini Schaeffer than he is the
you know your I s Levkovski which was the Shane
Right year and the Owen Power which was the one

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from the Matty Beniers year. So I think this could
be in franchise altering day if all goes well. Are
you a conspiracy theorist Chris Crawford when it comes to lotteries?

Speaker 1 (01:16:55):
Oh yeah, you are absolutely, And you know I have been.
You know, I've seen enough things go the not way
that I want to see. From the Sonics with ping
pong balls, a team that never got the first pick
did get the second pick, which was actually good luck
because they got Kevin Durant instead of Greg Oden. Imagine

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how different things are if it goes the other way around.

Speaker 3 (01:17:18):
Changes though, because we had them for one year and
then left.

Speaker 1 (01:17:21):
Yes, a thousand percent, but hey, like, what are we
talking about the Thunder becoming the dynasty they are if.

Speaker 2 (01:17:27):
They take Greg Oden instead of a Kevin Durant. Gosh,
I hate even mentioning that team's name, but it's going
to be a fascinating thing.

Speaker 1 (01:17:36):
So there's this cool website called Tankathon, and what they
do is they give you the current draft odds, but
they also give you something fun and they allow you
to simulate the lottery and to show you what could
happen with the ping pong balls. So, Andrews, I'm going
to ask you a question, and then I'm gonna I'm
gonna simulate the lottery while you're answering, and then we'll

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I'll give you what those results will be and see
how how close it actually comes. My question for you
is we talked yesterday about the goalie switch. Yes, for
the whild they end up making that switch for game two.
Is this something that should have happened in the second
period rather than the start of the second game.

Speaker 3 (01:18:17):
I think so.

Speaker 4 (01:18:17):
I think it would have been the right move to
go to Gustufsin in the middle of a game where
you clearly didn't have it. Now, the caveat to that
would be usually you did make the goalie switch if
the game's already lost, but the game was such a
high scoring game on both sides that you could argue, oh,
we were still in the game.

Speaker 3 (01:18:35):
But there have been instances where you make.

Speaker 4 (01:18:36):
The goalie change in a one goal game, but it's
because he can't stop anything, and it's like, all right,
he just it's not his day or whatever. So I
would have done that, and it would have probably saved
a little bit of confidence from yesper Walstat, you have
the option to go to Gustafsen.

Speaker 3 (01:18:48):
If he's good, you can stick with him.

Speaker 4 (01:18:50):
If he's not good, you can go back to Walstat,
being like, hey, we just pulled you out of the
game just because it wasn't your day, but we still
view you as a number one guy. Now they've made
the goalie change for game two, and it all of
a sudden seems like, you know, they if gust have
sinned the second goal who hasn't played yet, struggles, then
you have to go back to Walstat. But you already
kind of ruined his confidence by taking him out. So

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I don't know. I just didn't seem like the right
play there. But there's different ways to go about it.
So I send the lottery, Okay, which way do you
want me to go? Do you want me to go
seven to one?

Speaker 2 (01:19:25):
Seven to one?

Speaker 1 (01:19:26):
Well, seven to one to unfortunate because the Seattle Kraken
end up with the seventh pick.

Speaker 2 (01:19:32):
The Boston Bruins get the sixth.

Speaker 1 (01:19:35):
Pick because of a trade they meet with the Just
A Great franchise, The Toronto Maple Leafs who just don't
make any mistakes whatsoever.

Speaker 2 (01:19:43):
The fifth pick goes to the Calgary Flames. They drop
down one spot. Chicago drops down two spots to fourth.

Speaker 1 (01:19:52):
The third pick goes to the Vancouver Canucks, who are
the team with the best odds for the first overall pick.
And if you believe and the David Stern and Gary
Bettman conspiracies, boy, this lottery would get you going there.
Because the second pick goes to the Nashville Predators. They
move up eight spots and guess who one's up with

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the number one pick?

Speaker 3 (01:20:16):
How does that leave the Florida Panthers, the New.

Speaker 2 (01:20:19):
York gosh dang Rangers the number one.

Speaker 3 (01:20:25):
That would only move up like what three spots for them?

Speaker 2 (01:20:27):
Two spots.

Speaker 1 (01:20:28):
So it's definitely a realistic thing. But I could definitely
see some people being if Toronto or Toronto excuse me,
or New York gets the number one overall.

Speaker 2 (01:20:38):
Pick, there will be some people who are.

Speaker 1 (01:20:42):
Matter than a wet hen because they will be some
people who are questioning what happens here, because, like you know,
putting a player. Gavin mckinnatt is one of the most
famous hockey prospects because of how good he has been
as a amateur player. He may not be in the
McDavid and your Sydney Crosby type discussions, but he's been

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famous for a very long time and would be a
guy who sells, especially in a market like New York.

Speaker 2 (01:21:14):
So here's hoping this is wrong.

Speaker 1 (01:21:16):
But my simulation has the New York Rangers getting the
first pick and then Nashville moves up eight spots to
get the second pick.

Speaker 2 (01:21:23):
That would be definitely something to an eye on me.

Speaker 3 (01:21:27):
That's the way it is.

Speaker 4 (01:21:28):
I don't see much of a conspiracy because Okay, to me,
I think the where those conversations come in a little
bit are like, Okay, we're trying to supplement something that
you did for the league. Like the best example would
be Dallas trading away Luka Doncic to the Lakers and
then okay, we're gonna give you the number one pick
as a consolation prize. So similar to that, The New

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York Islanders last year were in that same discussion because
the NHL took away the All Star Game two can
executive years from what would have been in their building,
and uh, they were gifted with an am one Ovall
pick jumping like ten spots or something like that, and
it was Matthew Schaeffer. So there's thoughts that, hey, the

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NHL really wants Seattle to be successful. They know they
need a star, and they're you know, Samantha Holloway, the
owner of the Seattle Crack, and Gary Bettman seemed to
have a good relationship, let me put it that way.
So maybe there's like a little handshake under the table
sort of thing that that'll happen.

Speaker 2 (01:22:34):
I won't complain about it one bit, not at all.

Speaker 1 (01:22:36):
One not at all, because they just they just got
to start getting that up echelon town. If you're interested
in watching this, it's on ESPN at four o'clock best
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Crawford in for.

Speaker 1 (01:24:46):
Andrew and As and I get the chance to talk
to a buddy of mine, Corbyn Smith, who covers this
team as well as anyone.

Speaker 2 (01:24:52):
Corbyn, my friend, how are you doing.

Speaker 9 (01:24:54):
I'm good, Chris.

Speaker 12 (01:24:56):
Great to chat with you.

Speaker 1 (01:24:57):
Great to chat with you as well. I hope you're
in joining this weather. I hope you're having some fun,
and I hope you're enjoying that. The Seahawks make a
little transition transaction one that I think was kind of
in the cards for a little while now, but Dante
Fowler basically officially joining the Seattle Seahawks on a one year,
five million dollar deal.

Speaker 2 (01:25:17):
Your thoughts on Fouler and your thoughts on how he
fits into this defense.

Speaker 12 (01:25:22):
Yeah, this is as you mentioned, it has been a
move that's felt like it's been kind of waiting to
happen here for the last several weeks. He visited two
weeks before the draft and was at the facility and
from my understanding at that point, made it very clear
to the Seahawks that this is where he wanted to be.
He wanted to be a Seahawk, and they get it
done now here after rookie Mini camp. This is usually

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a sweet spot where you're going to start to see
some guys signing because OTAs are going to be coming
up soon and teams want to get their guys under contract.
Vets aren't always in a rush to do that this
time of year, because you know, they would rather bypass
a lot of the offseason stuff and just get to
the games. But this is a really, really good fit
because you know, Mike McDonald didn't have to go far

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to get an assessment on what Dante Fowler Junior can
bring this team. All he had to do was just
look at his defensive coordinator, Adm Dirday. ADM Dirday coached
him for two years in Dallas, and he had two
really solid seasons in Dallas on winning football teams that
got to the playoffs. So Adam Dirday clearly signed off
on this, like, hey, this is a good addition for us.

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And also DeMarcus Lawrence another had been speculation about his future.
I fully expect he's going to be there this year.
But he and Dante Fowler Junior have a pretty good
connection from those couple of seasons they played together in
Dallas as well. So Mike McDonald didn't have to go
far to get an evaluation. And these guys in the
fit as far as where he can fit in scheme wise,

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they've already seen that with Adam Dirday coaching him in Dallas.
So ideal guy to bring in to replace Boy Mafe
And honestly, he had better numbers than Boy Mafe last
year in a fewer snap role with the Dallas Cowboys
and what Boy Mafe had in Seattle.

Speaker 1 (01:27:06):
Gorvin Smith joining us, is this just kind of a
straight swamp or is Faler a guy who could give
you know, a few different guys not necessarily you know,
we'll see exactly what the role is.

Speaker 2 (01:27:17):
But is this a guy who.

Speaker 1 (01:27:18):
Can play both as a guy who is standing up,
a guy who can line up in the three point stands.
What type of role do you think Dante Fowler is
going to fill.

Speaker 12 (01:27:29):
I think he is a one for one exchange for
boy MafA. He's at his best when he's in a
two point stance and he can just pin his ears
back get up field. He's a twitchy rusher that's got
good bend at the top to round the tackles, get
after the quarterback. You can drop him back into coverage
a little bit.

Speaker 8 (01:27:49):
See.

Speaker 12 (01:27:49):
He gives me some versatility with your zone blitzer game.
He's never been a great run defender, though last year,
I mean, for whatever pro football focused grades are worth,
he had one of his finest seasons last year defending
the run. So he's been hit and miss with that.
That's not really the strength of his game. It's not
an effort issue. But he is a rushing specialist. I

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think for the Seahawks team, that gives them some of
that quick winning some of that quick win capability. Is
that boy Mafe has shown in the past that now
is in Cincinnati.

Speaker 1 (01:28:23):
So Corvin, you take a look at those stats and
in twenty twenty four, he's a guy who had ten
and a half sacks but hit the quarterback twelve times
last year only, And you can't see what I'm doing
the quotation marks here those three sacks but hits the
quarterback ten times. Can you kind of talk about how
much more important if you do feel it's more important

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that pressure stat is than necessarily the quarterback sacks.

Speaker 12 (01:28:49):
Yeah, you know, I look at this as kind of
a trifold process when I'm evaluating pass rushers, and this
is how I do it in the draft process too.
And you got some other wrinkles in the draft you
have to account for with competition and all those things.
But I think that pass rush win rate is a
significant one. I want to see how consistently that the
guy beats his opponent across room, because that means you're

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getting yourselves You're getting yourself more chances to get after
the QB if you're winning more often like that. So
I look at the pass rush win rate. He had
a higher pass rush win rate last year than boy
mafe U, Chennanuosu and DeMarcus Lawrence. So that's one thing
that is working in his favor. And you know, the
pressure's aspect is important because again, that means you have

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more opportunities that you're getting back into the pocket. But
there's so much subjectivity to that with the way that
people will say, well, what quantifies a pressure, there's no
subjectivity when you're looking at quarterback hits, and so that
is a stat that I look at, probably more than
any of them, like how often are you actually getting
to the QB and laying a hit on him? And

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Fowler has been pretty good about that throughout the course
of his career, even when he's been more of a
situational guy in recent seasons, he turns those pressures into
quarterback hits. And sacks can be a little bit more
of a year to year thing, as he saw he
had ten sacks two years ago only three last year,
but he was arguably a more efficient pass rusher last

(01:30:13):
year than what he was the year before. So I
think you had to look at all those metrics and
not just sacs when you're trying to evaluate.

Speaker 2 (01:30:20):
A player like this.

Speaker 1 (01:30:22):
Chris Crawford and Free and forness talking to Corbyn Smith.
So you know, a big discussion has been the move
of Riley Mills from defensive tackle to defensive end.

Speaker 2 (01:30:33):
Does this move.

Speaker 1 (01:30:34):
Change anything in terms of the Mills progression, and does
this also take a little bit of pressure off of
Mills to be more of a consistent, counted on performer
now that you have someone like Fouler in the fold.

Speaker 12 (01:30:49):
Yeah, you know, I really don't think that's going to
impact what he does for the Seahawks all that much.
I mean, a defensive end in Mike McDonald's scheme can
play a bunch of reps at the three tech. We
see Leonard Williams do that all the time. So I
think they'll still have times in past rushing downs where
they might reduce him inside further. But three tech is
that's really his bread and butter spot, and so it's

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going to allow him. I guess in theory by role placement,
by title there that he's going to be playing the
spot that he's best suited for, where his size is, athleticism,
his strong hands, his power to the point of attack,
those are going to be maximized playing that three tech
position rather than having him play inside.

Speaker 1 (01:31:34):
Chris Crawford and for Ian Fernest talking to Corbyn Smith,
one thing you forgot he went to Notre Dame, which
automatically makes him a wonderful player and a wonderful human being.
We just got to mention that one we can Corbett.
I'm sorry about that, but I hate that. I'm a
Notre Dame fan. It's more of a curse than a blessing.
But I am excited to see what Mills is going
to do. Speaking of Mills and Fowler, do you believe

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that the really, more than anything else, is that one
of the reasons why Seattle was able to quote unquote
sort of ignore the addresser position in the early portion
of the draft, that the fact that they were pretty
sure that Faler was going to be coming in.

Speaker 12 (01:32:14):
I mean, I think it was a factor, but I
don't think John Schneider ever goes into a draft they get, oh,
I've got this hedge here, so I'm not gonna worry
about picking this position. I think that you know the Seahawks,
and when you look at the big board and the
way things go, they tear off players and every team
has their own way of doing this, but you tear
off players, then you have tiers for position groups as well,

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and I just don't think that the board matched up
with the way that their tears fell. Like pick thirty two, Hey,
we might have a few guys that we look at
as the thirty five to forty range, but they're not
there at thirty two. We've got a couple of corners.
If Chris Johnson falls to Seattle, I still contest that
to who they pick. Miami trades up and got it

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Jarien Price. We really like this kid. He is in
that thirty two or age. Automately, that was not a
fit for them to pick an edge you get to
the end of the second round. But Clark, in their opinion,
was now standing value there at sixty four and two
of the guys they really wanted our Mason Thomas and
Derek Moore that likely were mid second round guys for
them are long gone, so that didn't match up. So

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I think it's a combination of things. It's not that
Seattle didn't have interest in picking it edge. I just
think they felt like they didn't have to force it.
Dante Fowler Junior gives them that edge rather than saying, oh,
we just don't have to worry about picking one. They
were gonna let the board come to them, and it
just didn't at that position.

Speaker 1 (01:33:37):
Chris Crawford and Free in for Nas talking to Corbyn Smith.
So rookie Minniecamp and a lot of talk about the
usage of Jadarian Price, who also went to Notre Dame,
by the way, pretty cold school known for producing good
football players and quality human beings. I couldn't have gotten
into Notre Dame if I tried, so I don't know
why I'm talking about it in that regard, but Jadarian Price,

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I loved the pick. Really interesting to see that there's
been kind of it sounds like a focus on the
pass catching and the pass blocking. There you, obviously, as
a guy who knows a lot about running backs and
a guy who loves to study them, what did you
see from him in Notre Dame that suggests to you
that he's either going to be exceptional in that regard

(01:34:19):
or maybe have a little bit of a rookie awakening
at those two parts of the game.

Speaker 12 (01:34:27):
I think this is a too. You know, you've got
two sides of the sword here. I think, on one hand,
this is a guy that the limited pass catching opportunities
that he had Chris, he was effective and he didn't
drop passes. He was he looked confident in his hands.
He's a hand catcher. He doesn't catch with his body,
which you see a lot of running backs that unfortunately

(01:34:48):
the other way around. He looks like a natural pass
catcher to me, So I think he is a guy
now not being in Jeremiah love Shadow that he's gonna
have so many more opportunities to be a pass catcher
in the NFL. So very optimistic on that and the
past protection aspect. I have no doubt that jadariing Price
is going to find a way to get much better

(01:35:09):
at that. But I think that is where Tom mchannick,
the new running back coach, is going to have his
greatest battle right now in terms of getting him up
to speed for the NFL, because he just didn't have
a ton of opportunities to do that, and when he did,
technique was not necessarily great. The efforts there. There are
clearly some technical stuff they are going to have to

(01:35:29):
clean up. And I say this, if your technique is
off as a past protecting running back in the NFL,
you are going to get exposed by NFL defenders. So
that is going to be to me, that is the
one thing I'm looking at, like, Okay, I don't know
about three down back. Is he ready to be that
guy just yet? Because I have to see tangible evidence

(01:35:49):
that he is going to take big leaps in that regard.
From a limited tape, there is a watch at Notre.

Speaker 1 (01:35:55):
Dame Chris Crawford and Free and Forness talking to Corbyn's sman.
So you got a chance to see some of these
guys on the field outside of Price perhaps who stood
out for you over these few days.

Speaker 12 (01:36:07):
Well for a little over somebody that just stood out
like a needle in a haystack, Devin Eastern, the seventh
rounder out of Minnesota, Like just every other defensive tackle
over there, he was just making them look like dwarfs
over there, like he is every bit six five and
a half sixty six, and he has got vulture wings

(01:36:28):
for arms like You just don't see many those tackles
that are built like that, that have those really long
levers and are tall. That can be an issue when
you're looking at the leverage battle of man. If you
use your length properly in there, that can cause all
kinds of problems for centers and guards. I am very
intrigued to see what Adam Durday, Mike McDonald the rest

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of his staff tried to do with this kid. Because
there's there's enough splash plays in his Minnesota tape to
make me wonder, man, if you could just find a
little bit more consistency with hand technique taking on doubles,
I get that could be a kid that ends up
being something pretty good in the seventh round. So he
stood out to me. I also really liked what I

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saw from both Stevens in the limited amount I was
able to watch. Obviously we're not in pads yet, but
you can definitely see the technician, the footwork and the
way that he moves. Those were two guys that stood
out away from Jadari and Price, who our good friend
Robert Turbin, I had had this discussion with him, we
might have a guy in the building that can compete
for the best biceps in Seahawks history.

Speaker 1 (01:37:32):
Oh my goodness, gracious, that is high praise because I
miss staring at those absolute pythons from mister Turvin for sure,
real quick on.

Speaker 12 (01:37:42):
It's funny, Chris, I think he's more of a triceps guy.
I mean, they're both here. He clearly does not miss
arm day. Let's just put it down way.

Speaker 1 (01:37:50):
I think they're just steps at this point, Corbyn, like,
it's just just just muscle everywhere and anywhere and anywhere
and everywhere.

Speaker 2 (01:38:00):
Real quick on Eastern.

Speaker 1 (01:38:01):
So you know, Leonard Williams a guy who is a
little bit taller than you typically see, maybe a little
bit different skill set. But is that the type of
player Eastern can learn from in these first couple of seasons.

Speaker 12 (01:38:14):
Yeah, absolutely, because I think that you're looking at a
player that isn't just going to be hamstrung to be
a nose tackle. In fact, that might not be his
best position when it's all said and done, might be
a really good early down three tech because of that
length and the fact that he had thirty two pressures
on quarterbacks the last two years. There's enough tape. I mean,

(01:38:36):
he's one of those guys you can see why he
lasted as long as he did because his play is
very sporadic and it's up and down. But man, well
it's good. The Nebraska game in particular, like Matt rules
boys up front, the buffet basters got turned away from
the buffet like he was dominating them up there, and
he was putting gaps, smacking quarterbacks. I mean it was

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that was the best game that I saw him play.
He kind of got an idea what he can do
moving around. He even played a couple of staffs at
a big end in that game. So I could see
whether Williams being somebody that he wins on because he
is certainly not the athlete that Leonard Williams is, but
he is a guy that has a lot of that
positional versatility, and I think that's certainly going to help
his chance of being successful in the NFL.

Speaker 1 (01:39:21):
Corben Smith talking Seahawks with us the Emmanuel Henderson pick,
and you know, we talked about how flor is kind
of like a direct replacement for boy Mafe. I can't
help but look at Henderson and NBC being the sometimes nice,
sometimes not great had me covering a lot of Kansas

(01:39:41):
football games and I watched this guy a lot, and boy,
oh boy, can this guy play special teams. You talked
about the direct replacement of Fowler for Boye Mafe. It
really feels like Emmanuel Henderson is a direct replacement for
Drake Young, doesn't it.

Speaker 12 (01:40:00):
It does. I mean I think that fans, you know,
a lot of times fans are looking for like the
physical comps, and those two guys couldn't be any different
in terms of the way that they're built physically. Emmanuel
Henderson Junior looks more like Devin Witherspoon, Like he's that tall,
lean glass of water. Like he looks like he might
weigh one point eighty if he's got a bunch of

(01:40:23):
water poured into his shoes. Like the guy is not
he's not a big guy. But no, you turn on
the tape and like, I'll say this, Chris. He didn't
play much offense at Alabama, but Nick Saban did not
red shirt him when he was a true freshman, And
the reason he didn't is because he was so darn
good on special teams. Like I would love to hear
what Nick Saban has to say about this kid. Because

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Nick Saban was gone by the time he transferred. It
it was just a case, Hey, I want to show
what I can do on offense at another school. And
every time he got his opportunities at Alabama, he made
something happen. He just didn't get very many chances. Kansas
gave him that opportunity. So I think he's a more
developed player than Darek Young was coming into the league
As a receiver, He's got the kick returnability and this

(01:41:09):
guy is so much fun to watch play gunner. He
might have been the best gunner in this draft class.

Speaker 1 (01:41:15):
It doesn't surprise me that they had interest just because
of that. And you know if it almost feels like
an added Vince seem so much, Chris, Yes, they do,
and I think it might have worked out okay for
them in the Year of Our Lord twenty twenty five.

Speaker 2 (01:41:30):
Corbyn, you're the best. Promote all the good stuff that
you're doing.

Speaker 12 (01:41:33):
Yeah, emeraldtitdispectrum dot com. You can check out my extended
thoughts on the Dante Fowler junior signing. I've got that
up this morning. Just six dollars a month or sixty
dollars a year, all Seattle sports, all the time.

Speaker 2 (01:41:47):
Sounds great, Corbyn. We'll check in. I'll check in with
you soon.

Speaker 12 (01:41:50):
I'm sure sounds good, Chris, take care.

Speaker 2 (01:41:53):
Buddy, you bet, Bud. We will take a look at
your text line. Next.

Speaker 1 (01:41:58):
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Speaker 1 (01:42:22):
Chris Crawford and Free in Furness's been a lot of
fun hosting these last couple of days. Appreciate the opportunity,
and I have teasanders during the commercial.

Speaker 2 (01:42:33):
I have a very important question for him.

Speaker 3 (01:42:35):
All Right, what's that May fifth?

Speaker 2 (01:42:37):
Today's May fifth? It's Cinco de Mayo. It's taco Tuesday.
Flower or corn tortilla?

Speaker 3 (01:42:44):
Easy? Flower? Not even close? Why it tastes better?

Speaker 2 (01:42:49):
Okay, that's what I kind of thought you would say.
I agree.

Speaker 1 (01:42:52):
I do like the crunch of a corn tortilla. It's
why the double decker taco is one of the most
important inventions in society eighties his three, because then you
can get a little bit of both with the corn
and the flowers.

Speaker 2 (01:43:04):
Fair, but I do think the flower tortilla tastes better.
It's interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:43:07):
I know a lot of people who just really prefer
that crunch of the corn tortilla.

Speaker 4 (01:43:12):
But well, okay, so that's that's My second question is
because you can have a soft corn taco, right.

Speaker 1 (01:43:19):
Like the ones who've made an oil and it's uh
made a little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:43:24):
Uh yeah, I'll tell you this.

Speaker 1 (01:43:27):
My last pick for a taco is going to be
like a pre made corn shell. You know what I'm
talking about like that last. To me, there's no flavor
in that. Yeah, my first choice would be a nice
flower tortilla. I will say, you can give me a
spinach tortilla. That's my ultimate favorite. I really like those.
But you're really not using those for tacos too often.

Speaker 2 (01:43:49):
You don't like spinach.

Speaker 4 (01:43:50):
I mean, I don't hate spinach wraps. But again, that's
not like if I'm having a taco like a Mexican,
I'm not having a spinach tortilla.

Speaker 3 (01:43:58):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (01:43:59):
No, A tomato tortilla is also a nice little thing
to have that I could I could rock with. I've
never had a tomato tortilla taco, but U boys said
that three times to Taco.

Speaker 2 (01:44:12):
Boy, taco just sounds so freaking good right now.

Speaker 4 (01:44:16):
To Keeth, says Keith, our buddy Keith and two five,
three blasphemy corn all day and twice on Sunday.

Speaker 1 (01:44:23):
Well, Keith's one of the smartest people that I don't
actually know but read his text quite often. And hey, Andrews,
what a perfect segue into looking.

Speaker 3 (01:44:31):
At some text, right, Yeah, let's do it.

Speaker 4 (01:44:33):
After that one from Keith quote unquote, you can't give
up on talent. Says The Two six, especially talent that
is half paying attention to the show and half paying
attention to the Arsenal Athletic Co Madrid match.

Speaker 3 (01:44:43):
Yeah that is one hundred percent.

Speaker 4 (01:44:45):
Yeah unfortunately, Yeah, that that that was I will fully
admit that. Uh, and calling me talented a little over
the top. It's just we're not there yet. But I
great bell at cross Talk. I have a multitasker. I
have add I can have the game on and be
running the show at the same time. So, especially when

(01:45:08):
Chris doesn't like to involve me in his interviews.

Speaker 2 (01:45:10):
Nope, absolutely not.

Speaker 1 (01:45:12):
He's extremely important that only I get the credit for it.
But yeah, by the way, Keith, I'm sure you're wondering
Skeeter's doing.

Speaker 2 (01:45:20):
Okay, Yeah, he doesn't love that.

Speaker 1 (01:45:22):
He's kind of hold up in a in one of
the many local taverns here. He just kind of goes
from tavern to tavern asking for some amstell light and
when people tell him amstell light doesn't really exist anymore, he.

Speaker 2 (01:45:33):
Just gets a little belligerent.

Speaker 3 (01:45:36):
Yeah, that's fair. He gets a little upset.

Speaker 4 (01:45:38):
I understand that, Chris and The Two six says, Chris
always love when you're on kJ are a few thoughts
on the Mariners. Yes, it's been a disappointing start, but
I'll make my assessment on June first. I think they
will pull out of this and make the playoffs, but
they aren't going anywhere playing defense.

Speaker 2 (01:45:56):
Like this A thousand percent agree.

Speaker 1 (01:45:58):
I agree with every single thing, especially the part about
me being on KJR. And that is the best point
that you made. No, I don't have a lot of
long term concerns with this dude. I see the flaws,
I see the chinks in the iron, but I also
see enough flashes of brilliance that I just don't have concerns.

(01:46:18):
And like I was talking about with Joe Man, the
American League just doesn't scare me. The Yankees are good.
The Yankees are no doubt good, and you know somebody
from the Ale Central will rise above this just hoop
water of a division. But like I don't look at
the AL West and I don't get scared about any

(01:46:39):
of these teams. Here's the opposite end of that spectrum, though.
Anders think anybody in the American League is fear in
the Seattle Mariners right now?

Speaker 3 (01:46:47):
Uh No?

Speaker 4 (01:46:47):
And I always I kind of scoff at the idea
about you know, oh but there everyone around them sucks.
So okay, because you and I talk about process and
result all the time, and yes, it is important to
just make the playoffs and kind of do what you
can there.

Speaker 3 (01:47:03):
But I want to have a good team.

Speaker 4 (01:47:05):
I want to feel good about watching the Mariners every night,
especially because I have to postcast every single time, so
being good also helps a our numbers and be me
having a much better time talking about it.

Speaker 3 (01:47:17):
I had a much better time last night than the
previous three nights.

Speaker 4 (01:47:19):
But in general, like, I want to feel confident and
I want to feel like I can back this team.
And I'm someone who I won't just blindly support my
local team and give them every benefit of the doubt
until they prove otherwise. I'm like, I will whatever I
see is what I see, and if they're good, I

(01:47:40):
will say they're good and I'll be happy about it.
If they're not, I won't, And it doesn't matter what
their record compared to the rest of the American League is.
I want to I'm just I'm just focusing on the
Seattle Mariners. So I agree with you that in terms
of the long term likelihood of them making the playoffs.
That helps, but I still don't think that you should
be comparing yourself to I mean, aos is one thing

(01:48:03):
that's kind of your main route to get to the playoffs.
But sure you need to feel good about where your
baseball team is at.

Speaker 2 (01:48:10):
I wholeheartedly agree.

Speaker 1 (01:48:11):
And ultimately, what this, the fact that the American League
is bad is it's not a anything more than a
silver lion, right, That's all this is. It's a silver lining.
It's thank goodness that other teams haven't played to the
level where you're four or five games back.

Speaker 2 (01:48:28):
You have to play massive catchup. Thank goodness.

Speaker 1 (01:48:30):
The Astros just absolutely suck out loud, and you have
some other teams in the division that aren't playing all
that well.

Speaker 2 (01:48:38):
You know, Oakland, I'm gonna.

Speaker 1 (01:48:39):
Callam Oakland again has done this a few years in
a row now too, where they've gotten off to a
decent little start and then just completely faded away.

Speaker 2 (01:48:46):
That's gonna happen again.

Speaker 3 (01:48:47):
In twenty twenty six.

Speaker 2 (01:48:48):
They've done a long term plan, There's no doubt about it.

Speaker 1 (01:48:51):
They've got some really talented players and I think they'll
get some more coming forward.

Speaker 2 (01:48:56):
But that is not a team that's competing in twenty
twenty six.

Speaker 12 (01:48:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:48:58):
No, And like, like the two IHO six says, I'm
a bit tired of everyone's saying everyone in the station's
saying the ms do this every year, as if they
snap out of it and go on to win it all.
If people want to criticize pessimism, fine, but how how
is optimism not equally as naive m is for middling?

Speaker 2 (01:49:15):
Well well said, that's really well said. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:49:18):
I mean, like the fact that it hasn't been a
death sentence doesn't mean that they've gone on to live
their best life.

Speaker 3 (01:49:26):
No, exactly, A big difference.

Speaker 2 (01:49:28):
Between those two things. It's a really good point.

Speaker 3 (01:49:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:49:31):
Quinn in the two five three going to the ownership
situation with the Blazers and the Sonics. Okay, it's a
long text, so hear me out. What if just roll
with me here. What if El Chipo bought the Blazers
with the full intent of playing the role of Clay
Bennett and turn around and sell controlling interest to the
Holloway Group for a quick multi billion dollar profit, and

(01:49:52):
the rest of the NBA owners are playcated because they
don't have to water down the talent pool quote unquote
and still keep the same share of the pie while
banking on the PNW pride and absorbing the Portland market
into Seattle. Wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if we
start hearing those rumbles when the NBA bones us this fall.

Speaker 5 (01:50:13):
See.

Speaker 4 (01:50:14):
The big thing that I got from that is I
think there's a lot of talk on either a expansion
or b Dundon's gonna just, you know, buy the Blazers
and move them to Seattle. I hadn't thought about the
possibility of him buying the Blazers and then selling them
for a profit, like right off the top. So that
is another possibility that is out there because everyone's well

(01:50:36):
documented that, you know, Seattle's ready, Vegas is not, so
they might not expand.

Speaker 1 (01:50:41):
No, it's really interesting. I did not think about that.
But that's why there's so many more smart people in this.

Speaker 2 (01:50:48):
World than me.

Speaker 1 (01:50:49):
Thank god for it, because we would be very stagnant
right now.

Speaker 2 (01:50:53):
That's a really interesting point.

Speaker 1 (01:50:54):
Did you hear the interview John Kinzano did with Softy
and Dick where he talked about how the odds he
thought of Portland moving to Seattle have gone from one
percent to thirty percent.

Speaker 3 (01:51:06):
Yea, And I think that's tinny because Canzon is very
plugged into that market.

Speaker 2 (01:51:10):
Very plugged into that market.

Speaker 1 (01:51:11):
And I will just tell you this, I'm going to
support NBA basketball however it gets here.

Speaker 2 (01:51:16):
I can't tell you how much I'd hate if that's
the way it happens.

Speaker 1 (01:51:19):
Yeah, I cannot tell you how much, mainly because Sonic
Blazers should be one of the best rivalries in the NBA.

Speaker 2 (01:51:25):
It should be one of those like we really look forward.

Speaker 1 (01:51:28):
We hope we get a chance to see a five
game playoff series between those two or maybe even a seven.
Oh yeah, there's no more five game playoff series. That
shows how long the NBA has been out of Seattle.

Speaker 2 (01:51:37):
Now, boy, it's a really interesting thing.

Speaker 1 (01:51:39):
And honestly, anders as much as I am rooting for
the Hurricanes to win because I like their hockey style,
I hate that dude who owns that team and who
now owns the Blazers so freaking much. And if he
did this just to make a quick, tidy profit, then
absolutely shame on him, and shame on the NBA for

(01:52:01):
not doing their due diligence to make sure that didn't happen.

Speaker 3 (01:52:04):
All right, I will play devil's advocate here.

Speaker 4 (01:52:07):
I still would much, much, much, much rather have an
expansion team. Yes, but but if the Sonics were to
be moved or Hartland Blazers would be moved to Seattle
and then be the Sonics obviously, and that's how we
get a team, and I'm with you'll support any way
it happens. I still would much rather have an expansion.

(01:52:29):
I'm saying that with a very large right sign yep.
I would much rather him sell it to the to
Samantha holl Ofway in one roof than him stay the
owner and be the owner here in Seattle and have
to have that be the guy that we support moving forward,
because that would be worst case scenario number one for me.

Speaker 1 (01:52:52):
It's boring radio. But I couldn't agree more with you, Like,
just couldn't, Like I would hate having that ownership group
in Seattle. Light Oh, that would be really rough. That
would be really, really rough. So that's that's a good point.
I just I hope neither one is the option. I
hope it's an expansion. I hope the Halloway group just

(01:53:13):
gets that group. I think there's more than enough talent
in the NBA for Seattle to be a thriving market. Yeah,
I just quite content being an ownership group.

Speaker 12 (01:53:25):
Boy.

Speaker 2 (01:53:25):
Hey boy, I don't know if I'll get a chance
to talk to you about this.

Speaker 1 (01:53:28):
If you had your choice between Zuckerberger Cook owning the Seahawks,
which way are you going?

Speaker 4 (01:53:33):
I mean, they've all come out and refuted that report,
so that's not even like on the table.

Speaker 3 (01:53:39):
But if I'm choosing between those two, Followey Tim Cook.
But I yeah, I don't. I don't like either one
of them.

Speaker 4 (01:53:46):
And like I said, all signs point to that being
a very false report and kind of a false alarm
here in Seattle.

Speaker 3 (01:53:53):
Would you think it's going to be.

Speaker 4 (01:53:57):
I don't know. I honestly think Jody Allen it could
be a part of it. Still, I really hope, yeah,
I hope she deserves the obvious one's Balmer. I don't
know if that's gonna happen because he's kind of embedded
in the LA market now with the Clippers and everything.
But you never know, he has a lot of money
he can do with that.

Speaker 3 (01:54:18):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:54:18):
I honestly I'm not in the billionaire circles, believe or not.
Here being a producer on Sports Radio nine treatment three KJRFM.

Speaker 5 (01:54:25):
So I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:54:25):
I'm not in those conversations. Uh two oh six.

Speaker 4 (01:54:29):
Did you guys notice after Raley did the whole trident
thing after he hit his home run, he went over
and hugged Edgar Martinez. I suspect Edgar told him something,
either something tactical, technical, or something just as a mental approach.
I did notice that, Chris did you I did?

Speaker 2 (01:54:43):
I did?

Speaker 1 (01:54:44):
I did, And it was a nice wholesome moment. And look,
I think some of that is just also like Luke
Raley being like, thanks for believing in me, thanks for like,
you know, because he after that ridiculously good start, Luke
Raley has been terrible and even with that home run,
since that really good start, Luke Raley has not been

(01:55:06):
anything close to an above average hitter. Right, I think
some of that might have been just relief. But also, dude,
these guys love Hgar. It's so obvious how much they
love talking to this guy about hitting, just talking about
modern day to day stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:55:19):
That was a really neat moment.

Speaker 3 (01:55:21):
Yeah, it was. It was really cool.

Speaker 4 (01:55:23):
We're getting a lot of hate on the text line
for our tacos talk twoo six corn for real Mexican tacos,
flower for burritos two six also different number, though this
is the whitest taco conversation I've ever listened to. WTH
three to six to oho fried corn tortilla on a

(01:55:43):
hot cast iron, no oil, two tortillas per taco.

Speaker 5 (01:55:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:55:47):
I mean this may come as a shock to you guys,
but Chris and I are very white. So there's a
reason why.

Speaker 3 (01:55:54):
It sounds like to find out. Geez, sorry, Chris, I
don't know if that burst your bubble, but well.

Speaker 1 (01:56:02):
You know what, We'll talk to someone who's very whites,
who loves tacos and is.

Speaker 2 (01:56:08):
Rich enough to buy the SuperSonics.

Speaker 14 (01:56:09):
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Speaker 2 (01:56:10):
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Speaker 2 (01:56:34):
So what I'm gathering from the text line the Tacoma
Dodgs text line four nine four or five to one.

Speaker 1 (01:56:40):
People are passionate about tacos. People seem to really have
strong opinions about tacos and you know what, good for you?
And today must be a holiday because you can not
only get Sinco de Mayo, you get Taco Tuesday.

Speaker 2 (01:56:54):
How often does that happen? Anders? How often do we
get to enjoy a Taco Tuesday?

Speaker 3 (01:56:59):
And not very often? Not very often at all.

Speaker 4 (01:57:02):
And someone who I know is a huge fan of
both Cinco de Mayo and Taco Tuesday is joining us
right now. Softy, what's up do you?

Speaker 6 (01:57:11):
Oh?

Speaker 5 (01:57:11):
What is.

Speaker 6 (01:57:13):
How?

Speaker 2 (01:57:13):
Are you.

Speaker 3 (01:57:16):
Doing well? Doing well?

Speaker 12 (01:57:17):
Chris?

Speaker 3 (01:57:18):
You should be able to hear softly now? Sorry I
had the wrong Uh, that's.

Speaker 1 (01:57:21):
Okay, you know, honestly, I've heard enough of his voice
for the last thirty years.

Speaker 5 (01:57:25):
Yeah, likewise, likewise thirty years.

Speaker 2 (01:57:29):
Yeah, me and my me and my market rating that
have been around. How are you doing, buddy, I'm good.

Speaker 10 (01:57:35):
Yeah, I think I've only known you for about ten years,
but then it feels like a hundred.

Speaker 5 (01:57:38):
To be totally honest with god, I'm sorry.

Speaker 10 (01:57:41):
I'm sorry we did not get the hook up yesterday
and and talk before Game one against the Braves, But man,
that kind of felt like I was making the analogy.
This morning, I was on with Paul Sylvia and egan
over on King and that come back against the Astros
a year ago the MS had when I felt like,
all right, that might be the game that kind of
this thing, and I'm kind of wondering and hoping that

(01:58:02):
last night maybe does the same.

Speaker 1 (01:58:04):
Euh oh, it sure felt like it, because you know,
I mentioned on social media that the vibes felt as
bad as they possibly good. Could excuse me when it
got to four nothing and Logan Gilbert just got absolutely
she lacked in that inning. Finally the hard hits started
not finding gloves. They found the center field wall and

(01:58:26):
unfortunately over the center field wall. But man, it's amazing
how quick and Softie Andrews and I talked about this.
This is one of my favorite things about baseball is
how quickly things can change momentum wise, like just like that.

Speaker 2 (01:58:40):
You know, in football it takes some time.

Speaker 1 (01:58:41):
In basketball, you know, hockey soccer, you know, if somebody
makes a mistake it can lead to a goal or
something like that. But in baseball, those crappy feelings can
be elevated real quick and vice versa two. And that's
why I just love this sport so freaking much.

Speaker 10 (01:58:58):
Yeah, I know, I mean, it's the blessing in the
right about major League Baseball that you know, it's hard
to have an opinion, a real hardcore opinion on anything,
because it could change the next day.

Speaker 5 (01:59:07):
I heard you use the word predictive yesterday.

Speaker 10 (01:59:09):
You know, what are we taking from that Kansas City
series that you know, gives us some kind of an
idea of what this team's gonna look like in late
July early August, which is ridiculous. I mean, every team
has a bump in the road, every team has a
three or four game stretch where they just look like
absolute ass. And the Mariners had one over the weekend
against Kansas City. But you know, look, I mean the
saving grace for them is that they've not been healthy

(01:59:30):
and they have not been performing up to par. Like
if all these guys were performing to the back of
their baseball card, you think, man, this is a this
is bad, this is going to be a problem because
these guys are going out there and they're doing about
what they're supposed to be doing. Well, they're not doing
what they're supposed to be doing, especially guys like Logan
Gilbert and Luis Castillo and even some.

Speaker 5 (01:59:48):
Guys in the bullpen.

Speaker 10 (01:59:49):
So I mean, I feel good about where they're at overall, Chris.
You know, the American League is wide open yet again,
the Yankees might be the clear cut favorite in this league.
Tampa Bay might be right behind them. We'll find out.
But the West is wide open, the league is wide open.
There's a lot of parody right now in baseball, especially
in this league. So I love where the Mariners are at.

(02:00:11):
I mean, look what I've rather been off to a
you know, twenty and ten, twenty five and ten start,
of course, but there's reasons why they're where they're at.
And it's not because I don't think that guys aren't
good baseball players. I just think they're not doing their
job and they eventually will.

Speaker 2 (02:00:27):
Yeah, And I think it's a really good point that
you bring up about the fact that, you know, we
talked about this for a lot of the show. I'm
just you throw me off. You throw me off, my man.

Speaker 1 (02:00:39):
Just the fact that no one in the American League
outside of the Eights like Tampa Bay's ten games over
five hundred. They have a run differential of plus eleven.
There's a lot of luck that's going on with Tampa Bay.
And you know, if that team gets offered a way
to lower its payroll's going to do it at the
same time too, So that wouldn't be a team that
I would worry about. Like the athletics, we have seen
this from them for I think straight years, where they

(02:01:00):
have a decent little start and just completely crater away.

Speaker 2 (02:01:04):
Texas doesn't look great. The Astros look like just a
pile of dog turds that have been lit on fire
and then re lit for some reason.

Speaker 1 (02:01:13):
They just look awful, and the Angel awful. The Angels
are just an awful team. Are excited about Dante Fowler?

Speaker 10 (02:01:21):
Yeah, no, I mean right now, I'm just thinking about
whether you can actually light dog poop on fire. I
mean you mentioned that right there, Like do you need
to add something to an anders like a little lighter
fluid or any kind of.

Speaker 5 (02:01:36):
Dog poop is flammable? Four nine four five one.

Speaker 10 (02:01:39):
Can anybody confirm out there that dog crap is actually flammable?

Speaker 5 (02:01:43):
Let us know.

Speaker 10 (02:01:44):
I've fi I mean, I've got three dogs, so I
have an opportunity every morning when I go out to
pick up poop at about seven o'clock in the morning
to find that out. So, honey, if you're listening, if
you see me outside in the backyard tomorrow morning lighting
Dudley's crap on fire. You know why I'm doing it
because I want to confirm whether or not you can
indeed light dog poop on fire.

Speaker 5 (02:02:05):
What was the question again, oh Dante Fowler.

Speaker 2 (02:02:09):
Like hired?

Speaker 10 (02:02:12):
No, No, listen, listen, I'm not picking up on my
bare hand. For God's sakes. They have a little pooper
scooper that I use. We do it every morning. We
have three of them. You know how much dog poop
three dogs can generate in one day, by the way,
it's ridiculous, all right, So plenty of opportunities to find
out if you actually can light it on fire.

Speaker 5 (02:02:32):
And I will do that tomorrow. Here's what I'll do
tomorrow morning.

Speaker 10 (02:02:34):
I'll wake up, I'll take I'll take a a a
lighter out to the backyard. I will light it on fire,
and I will send you guys the video. Yeah, that's
that's what. That's what the two of you will be
waking up to tomorrow morning.

Speaker 5 (02:02:47):
And it's your fault for bringing it up now about.

Speaker 3 (02:02:49):
Pooping with Softy instead of driving with Softy.

Speaker 5 (02:02:51):
Fine, fine, what.

Speaker 10 (02:02:53):
I just do a little commentary while I'm on the
pooper talking about lighting dog poop on fire.

Speaker 5 (02:02:57):
Dante Fowler, Junior Dante.

Speaker 10 (02:03:00):
Let's go back to that before we totally gross out
the entire audience. I'm thinking about like the scene and
stand by me, the pieting contest of Barfaramas. Oh you
over that, and that the entire audience is doing that
right now, puking all over.

Speaker 5 (02:03:12):
Their car windows. Yeah, I mean, I mean, am I?

Speaker 10 (02:03:15):
Am I excited about him like I was when the
Hawks went out and got Chad Brown.

Speaker 5 (02:03:20):
No, of course not. The guy's thirty one years old.
For God's sake.

Speaker 10 (02:03:24):
There's a reason why he's available, and there's a reason
why he's making five million.

Speaker 5 (02:03:27):
Dollars a season.

Speaker 10 (02:03:28):
But am I more excited for this guy to play
for the Seahawks than maybe any other team?

Speaker 5 (02:03:34):
Yes? Because of Mike McDonald.

Speaker 10 (02:03:36):
And I think that Mike McDonald deserves the benefit of
the doubt until he doesn't. And right now we're talking
about a guy who in two years built the best
defense in the NFL. He took not a reclamation project,
but a bit of a reclamation project, a guy who
was towards the end of his career into Marcus Lawrence
and turned him into a guy who was a key

(02:03:57):
cog in the Seahawks lineup a year ago defense Lee
and maybe he can do the same thing with Dante Fowler.
So I don't know if there's a lot of teams
where Dante Fowler could go and actually Chris make a
real contribution that would be significant.

Speaker 3 (02:04:11):
This is one of them.

Speaker 5 (02:04:12):
This team is one of them.

Speaker 10 (02:04:14):
Playing for Damiko Ryans in Houston might be another, and
this is certainly one of them. So from that standpoint,
I'm glad to have the guy because we need him too.

Speaker 1 (02:04:22):
So you mentioned Chad Brown, Chad Brown, yes, Patrick Kearney,
Julian Peterson. Which of those three is the most underrated
Seattle defender.

Speaker 5 (02:04:30):
Well, Patrick Kearney was, I think. Look it up.

Speaker 10 (02:04:33):
He was either second or top five in the Defensive
Player of the Year voting the first.

Speaker 5 (02:04:37):
Year he got here one or the other.

Speaker 10 (02:04:40):
And I don't think people remember that he also was
able to hook up with Lisa Gangle by.

Speaker 5 (02:04:44):
The way, and that became his wife.

Speaker 10 (02:04:47):
So if you don't think that Patrick Kearney had a
pretty good run in Seattle, you're out of your freaking mind.
I mean, the Chad Brown thing is, look, you never
got a chance to play for any really good team
in Seattle. Favorite memory of Julian Peterson was the two
thousand and six playoff game at Chicago where he was
throwing around Rex Grossman like a rag doll. The game

(02:05:09):
they should have won because they couldn't run the ball
because Steve Hutchins was playing in Minnesota. So I'd probably
say Kerney just because I don't realize that. I don't
think people realize how good he was, then.

Speaker 2 (02:05:19):
I think I would agree with that.

Speaker 1 (02:05:21):
I will say, like Chad Brown, and you know, we're
aging ourselves here with the Brown signing, but.

Speaker 2 (02:05:25):
Like he was a guy who had a bunch of.

Speaker 10 (02:05:29):
So much what do you say?

Speaker 12 (02:05:32):
Said?

Speaker 1 (02:05:34):
Yeah, yeah, So Chad Brown was a guy who had
like a bunch of sacks in Pittsburgh. He didn't play
that role with Seattle, but like he was a really
good linebacker for them and just didn't get that same
chance to get those same types of rushing attempts.

Speaker 2 (02:05:49):
A uh, softy, what do you get coming up today?

Speaker 10 (02:05:53):
Kearney, by the way, was tied with Albert Haynesworth for
second in the NFL and Player of the Year voting. Yeah,
bob stand your number one in him and Albert Haynesworth
were number two.

Speaker 5 (02:06:03):
What's Today? Tuesday?

Speaker 10 (02:06:04):
John Wilner joins us. Brian Schmetzer will join us on
the radio show from the Brian Schmetzer Orchestra, Tyson Saunders,
Chuck pala is gonna swing by Jimmy's. He's gonna make
a rare public appearance at six o'clock. Mitch Garver, everybody's
favorite backup catcher, will join us on the show about
three thirty today. We'll do a little fun with audio.

(02:06:26):
And did I mention John Wilner, by the way, he's.

Speaker 5 (02:06:28):
On the radio show at five o'clock tonight talking to
some color.

Speaker 2 (02:06:31):
It's like a lot of stuff. It sounds like a
lot of stuff that.

Speaker 5 (02:06:33):
I'll probably it's all right, kind of lame, but we
do our best.

Speaker 10 (02:06:36):
Sorry, I think it's I can't live up to you
talking about lighting dog poop on fire, but we'll try
our best.

Speaker 3 (02:06:42):
Highlight of the show.

Speaker 2 (02:06:44):
We never heard of begs before sports radio. Nice three
points bags like.

Speaker 10 (02:06:48):
The bag itself is flammable, not the crap like in
Billy Madison, remember that when he let the dog poop
on fire and Billy.

Speaker 2 (02:06:55):
Madison away, Come on hardy.

Speaker 8 (02:06:57):
See for the mild manner and margin the objectionable e Inverness.

Speaker 5 (02:07:02):
This is paddle day, saying so long everyone,