Furness Show 7-15: Molly Whop Monday, Mariners in for Jazz Chisolm? Keith Law.

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I am super excited to be here, not just today, not just tomorrow,
but all week I'll be hosting forIan forness and I hope Ian has
a wonderful weekend. And also congratulationsto Jess. I have to make sure
I mentioned that one of my alltime favorite people. I guess the wedding
invite got lost in the mail,but you know, no, I totally

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totally understand, but super happy forher and super appreciative of this opportunity to
just talk about what a bummer theSeattle Mariners were over the weekend. And
it's disappointing, Andrews, because theylooked so good for three days of that
week. It was and I waslike, super looking forward to molli Wa
Monday, and of course we willhave Molly wat Monday coming up at one

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o'clocks. Sir boy, oh boy. Though it was such a nice start
to that week followed by an absolutecatastrophe of a weekend. And I'm sorry,
I don't care if it's February fifteenth, October fifteenth, you lose three
games in a row to the LosAngeles Angels as a disaster. Because we
talked about this on Friday when wewere looking great. We were talking about

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potentially having a sweep. You wenteleven to nothing. There's nobody on that
Angel's roster I had won on theSeattle Mariners. There's not one single hitter
that I would take on the SeattleMarritors active. Now there's this Michael Trout
guy who apparently likes Eagles a wholeheck of a lot. I might take
him on the roster. But likethe active roster, anything that would be

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added to the Seattle Mariners would bea negligible upgrade or just a flat out
downgrade. You wouldn't think Taylor Wardwould be better than our corner outfield situation.
I think that it would be reallyclose, and I have question marks
about how Taylor Ward's skill set wouldplay in t Mobile. I agree with
that so as much as it wouldbe interesting, assuming you could get very
very very low prices on him,and I don't think they would. Because

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the Angels are crazy people and don'twant to make moves. They draft people
so that they can play this year. They did that today. By the
way, we will talk a bunchof draft today because that is my baby,
and we'll talk about some of theplayers they took but man, just
an objective disaster over the last threedays. Yeah, I'm not a fan
of that series. I have aquestion for you though, Okay, going
into last week, so before thePadre series, you had said three and

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three, what would you have said? Disappointing just because you have to take
three or four from the Angels.Okay, you just have to take three
or four. If they would havesplit with San Diego and then taking three
or four, I would have beentotally fine with it. I just don't
think how anything but four and twowould be good enough. And that's not
really an insult to the Mariners.It's more of an insult to the Angels

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that is a horrible baseball team.And the biggest concern here is outside of
the eleven run outbursts where big dumperhomers from both sides of the play and
Julio has a big day and JPCrawford has a big day. We spent
a lot of time talking on Fridayabout how the stars showed up. Julio
showed up for the most part inthe other games. Yeah, the rest
of the Stars just flat out didn'tshow up. I don't think anything outside

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of four and two was gonna begood enough even if you get swept by
San Diego and you win three orfour. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
I mean that there would be It'sso hard to tell, right, Like,
I don't know what my mood's goingto be waking up, So how
am I going to know how I'mgonna feel about the Seattle But that didn't
happen. You swept the Padres,the better team of the two, and
you lost the series against the Angels, and you looked like so much more

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of the better team against the Padres. And the Padres are not a bad
baseball at that's a playoff team.That is a playoff team. Now you
did face Adam Major, who isnot ready to be a major league starter,
and they fact fact they faced JackCocina Whiz, I think is how
I'm going to pronounce it for therest of the life. Jack John Jack
Cocina Whiz is usually how I endedend the night, if I'm being completely

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honest with you. Yeah, butMichael King's not bad. But yes,
Michael King was fine, but theydidn't play well against Michael King. We
scored two runs against Michael King.I I just came away with this weekend
thinking that there are there's reason foroptimism. And I did just have an
article posted in the Seattle matt talkingabout why we should have optimism for this

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team. Some of it has todo with the fact that what good negativity
really do you you know what Imean? And that's something that you know,
I've learned through life is that itis just better to be optimist and
all of that stuff. It's hard, It's really hard, especially after you
just watched what you did. Yeah, but also I think just the fact
that there's this golden opportunity that youdidn't play well at the end of the

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season and didn't play well, isit the understatement of understatements lost five straight
series, I believe. Yeah,there's still a great chance here to win
this division and do damage in thepostseason. But in order for that to
happen, I think there have tobe significant moves. Man. Yeah.
And it's kind of weird, howyou know, the first half of the
first half that it's the Mariners andthe Astros kind of had flipped like time

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periods right where the Astros really cameout slow. They were losing series after
series, their pitching was kind ofall over the place. Sure, and
then right as the Mara's got thatten game lead, it kind of flipped
right. They went on this hugerun and the Astro's like, just all
of a sudden, looked like theteam that we've known for the past eight
years. Yeah, and the Marinershave really struggled. They're the ones losing
series after series. So it's along season. You're back to square one

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basically. I mean, you're onegame up still, so that's that's good.
Yeah, and you have a seriesagainst them, just out of the
All Star Baks. It's time toget right. Let's let's go win that
series, no question about it.And we'll talk about that in the coming
weeks. Just how massive this seriesis going to be. So the Mariners
offense wasn't so great, the bullpenwasn't go great, but Logan Gilbert absolutely
shoved yesterday seven scoreless sinnings throws onlyeighty three or eighty six pitches, eighty

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seven eighty seven pitches in mat AndI know there was a lot of questions
about that, and I believe ScottServis talked about that, and I think
we have that quote. You brother, feel pretty good Logan getting through seven
and being able to hand it overat that point, absolutely we were in
that that's you know, what's kindof the game plan you scripped up with
the game that it looked like,and you know, Logan was outstanding Kitchen
through seven. You think we're ingreat shake with the Stanning and who knows,

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which has kind of been our formulahere throughout the first half. Unfortunate
something came up with Ryan and weare able to shut it down after that
because it hard sometimes though. Imean, you're talking about the long term
of watching these guys to keep themhealthy, but at the same time,
in the short term, you know, you see it a moment where you
may want to stay with Logan,but you want to be disciplined the way
you guys believe will gee through theseason. Well, I think so nobody's

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anticipating, but anything's gonna happen withRyan stand I don't know if this really
isn't Normally that has been our formula. You know, Logan's been think he
leads the league and then it's pitched. We've leaned on the very heavily or
in a great spot in that gameyou know, standing movie and you jump
on the plane. It's happen.Something came up they can't foresee that happening.
No fault the Logans or anybody else. Is it just you know,

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we had the Max basm and wehad to pivot scripted game plan. I'm
sure people are gonna have some hottakes about that for sure. And look,
I got it, to be honestwith you, when it happened,
I wasn't super upset really. Iat the time. Oh instantly I was
like, what are we doing?See? And I think most people are
like that, yeah, you know, And I'd be honest with you.

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I just felt like, you know, you're ending the first half on a
high note, You're getting this guyout afterwards, and you do have I
think it talented enough bullpen to getthe job done. But boy, oh
boy, when you hear the scriptedphrase, it kind of makes you wonder
a little bit, doesn't it.Yeah, And you know, I know
Greg talked about a lot in hislast show, and it just confirms a

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lot of theories that Mariner fans haveabout how the Mariners make their decisions,
not just with bullpen decisions, butwith lineup decisions, with you know a
lot of things right, And Idon't know how much of it is actually
being managed like with the feel ofa game. You know, Logan's dominating.
I think he was still the bestpitching option available in the eighth inning.

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Sure comparative compared to I guess youcould throw Munos out there, but
you will obviously want him to beable to close. I'd still would rather
have Logan out there. He's shownhe dominated this lineup. I get a
lot of statistics say, when yougo through that lineup one more time,
it really jumps up to the offensiveadvantage. So I don't know, man,
I have a tough time really swallowingthis pill. And that's not to

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say that the offense is devoid ofblame, of course not. They scored
two runs against one of the worstpitching staffs in baseball. It's not the
worst. And they scored no runsfor four and two thirds innings off of
a guy who has played for Ithink thirty seven of thirty MLB teams and
has just been I mean, heis the definition like if you looked in
the dictionary for organizational depth, youwould see a picture of Carson Fullmer sitting

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right there. That's a good wayto put it in. And look,
he's the guy has showed unbelievable stuffat Vanderbilt and looked like a thing.
But he has not been a thing. And to get not only and it
wasn't like it was line drives thatwere just being caught by people. No.
No, they got thoroughly dominated byCarson Fellmer. And that's the issue
with to me, is as badas it was that the Mariners did blow

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that game. And of course it'sbad. Yeah, I put more blame
on the right, like scoring tworuns, and I'm curious what everybody else
thinks. And I would love tohear at the totalmar do text line at
four nine four or five one.When it's game time, it's tolly time,
Chris, beautiful we do. That'sso much better than Ian. It's
not even close to the chemistry.You know, there's a lot of things
that you do better than the Ian. Wow, some of them. Some

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of them. If we golfed,I think you would have to give me
about sixty five strokes fair enough,to be completely honest with you. The
other thing I'd like to hear fromthat at that text line is about the
All Star game facilities, and we'regoing to talk about that. We're going
to have an interesting conversation about somethingI like to do with taking a look
at the lineups and how many ofthese guys are going to get a chance
to be Hall of Famers all right, because you kind of put those two

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together. Oh, if they're perennialAll Stars, they probably will have a
chance at least to get into theHall of Fame. So, how many
of this year's All Stars starting lineupsdo you think are Hall of Famers with
their career at this point? Onehundred percent? And I have looked at
the National League lineup and I onlycame up with two. We'll go,
we'll go into it a little bit. But I want to hear because the
Home Run Derby is tonight and Ido like the Home Run Derby. I
want to hear what other events youguys would like to see at the All

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Star Game? What would you liketo see outside of the Home Run Derby
and the Celebrity Softball Game. Andby the way, it's a terrible television
event. The Celebrity Softball Game inperson is delightful. Really, it's really
fun. Did you go last year? I did go last year. I
stood by my buddy Alex Akita andwe watched and my cousins were or my
nieces. Excuse me, we're sojealous that Jojo Siwa was playing there and

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I got to see Jojo. Theykept asking me what was she like.
I was like, I was aboutseven thousand feet away. Buddy, I'm
sorry, but I'd be curious tosee what you guys would like to see.
I'll tell you the one event Iwould love to see, and it
will never happen, is a catcherversus stolen base event where we have guys
taking that taking a big lead,running and seeing who can get thrown out.

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I like it. It's similar tome, like to the skill shot
competition, you know, like oneof those type events, everyone would get
hurt. It would never happen again. Major League would be sued into you
know what. So that's never goingto happen. But that's one of the
events. I'd be curious what youguys would like to see. Be creative,
come up with some funny ones.For sure. We're going to talk

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about some Huskies at Seahawks too,and in particular, we're going to talk
quarterback stuff. Mitchell and I hadan interesting conversation on the debate that really
isn't a debate between Geno Smith andSam Howise. It's not even kind of
a debate, but whether or notit should be a debate, as I
think a different question. And I'mgonna do the same thing for the Huskies
because we have a new quarterback comingin my sweet sweet Michael Pennix leaving me.

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I wish he would have just appliedto keep playing forever. Anders just
did a little tear face. Idid think about wearing my big Panics energy
shirt. Maybe I'll wait till laterin the week. You know, a
guess, you know, they couldprobably find somebody to replace me for Tuesday,
Wednesday, Thursday, Friday. Toohard to find a replacement for me
later in the week, So maybeI'll wear that shirt a little later.
But Will Rogers versus Demand Williams,and I'm gonna be really curious to see

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not so much if there's a quarterbackbattling camp, because I think Will Rogers
is going to win that job.I think that's one of the reasons Will
Rogers stayed at the University of Washington. But how short a leash, How
short and leash will real Will Rogershave, especially playing against some absolutely terrible
competition to begin the year. Butjust going back to that Mariner series,

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man like, how frustrating it wasto not see them take advantage of such
a great opportunity. Not only that, the Texas Rangers did the Seattle Mariners
a huge favor by winning a coupleof games, and you know, at
the very least, you still gointo the All Star break with a one
game lead. And I'll ask youthis, Anders, It's been a long

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time since we've seen this. TheMariners are at first place at the All
Star break. How do you fwellwith emotion thinking about it? Or do
you just not care? I care? The biggest thing for me going into
the season. I'll do the samekind of questions I asked you, is
like, what if you had saidat this point before or the season started,
that at the All Star break youhave a one game lead on the

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division? Would you take that?And I would say, yes, absolutely,
no question about it. Take thatand run with it. Right?
Has it looked all that great?Do we look like the best team in
the aos? Probably not at thispoint, But I don't know. I
think it's a big thing winning thedivision. A lot of people don't put
stock on that, and I'm notone of those people. A lot of
people just want to get into theplayoffs. Sure, take a wildcard spot

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if that's what's given to you,and kind of just see what happens in
the playoffs. I think winning adivision, especially for this team who hasn't
done it since two thousand and one, would be huge. And getting those
home playoff games yea. Again,not just like logistically, but having that
momentum that, oh my gosh,we're a really good baseball team going through
the rest of the summer, gettingthe city behind you a little bit,

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going and buying it the deadline,making your team even better. There's so
many positive outcomes from being in firstplace, sure, whereas if you're fighting
to come back from a deficit,like someone like the Astros are, it's
a lot harder for them to getto that. So I still put stock
in it and I think it's agood thing. I just wish it was
a little bit more of a buffer. I totally agree, And I think

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the big thing there for that toois that the home games, Like it's
pretty unrealistic at this point to thinkthey're going to be the one seed for
sure. In the two seed,you're gonna have to play super well down
the stretch over these final I believeit's sixty four games on the season,
but you're going to have home games. You're going to have a chance to
set your rotation hopefully and then getto play two to three games in T

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mobile. And look, we playedtwo games worth of games last in twenty
twenty two zero run watshing, zeroruns score. But I think having that
experience, having these home games,it matters. It's sure. I will
take them. Being the sixth seedand walking through this thing and going into
the postseason, I'll take that too. Probably not walking through it, but

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chea sprinting as fast as you can, well knocking over some pigeons, to
be completely honest with you. Also, today we're gonna have a course Molly
up Monday. We're going to doit a little bit different this time.
I'm going to be host. Andersis going to take my place in the
booth. I think that'll be fun, and of course our good buddy Nathan
Bishop. And then at two o'clockwe're gonna have Keith law on to talk
MLB Draft, talk about those firsttwo picks. Spoiler alert, I really

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liked him. Spoiler alert. Ithink Keith liked him a lot too.
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kJ r FM. Ooh, thisis this is serious stuff. This is
I talked to my buddy Vigil yesterdaythat I was tempted to freestyle rap at
about five different segment breaks just becausethe beads are so good. Yeah,
that definitely did one for me.Chris Crawford for Ian Forness. Today,

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let's talk some foosball. I know, we just talked about the Mariners,
and we'll talk plenty of Mariners goingforward. But something interesting that dropped this
morning from Jeremy Fowler, senior nationalreporter for the ESPN, with a list
of his top ten quarterbacks. Andthis was voted on by a bunch of
different people, front office members andthe like. And I was interested here

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because I do you do control effort? Are you one of those weirder okay,
control f and I had typed inthe name Geno Smith and not to
be found. And I'm not surprisedthat he wasn't in the top ten.
And it's no insult to not bein the top ten. But there were
about sixteen quarterbacks mentioned anders and notone of them mentioned Geno Smith. And
I'll go over this list. Numberone Patrick Mahomes a huge shock there,

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a little bit of surprise. Attwo, it's Joe Burrow at two,
and Josh Allen at three, LamarJackson at four, and then we have
Matthew Stafford at five, Justin Herbertat six, ej. Stroud at seven,
Aaron Rodgers at eight, which Ialso found surprising. Number nine Jared
Goff. The goth resurgence, thegoff Assance is absolutely a real thing at

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this point. Yeah. And atnumber ten Dak Prescott, and then the
honorable mentions were Brock Perty, JordanLove, Jalen Hurts, Tua Kirk Cousins,
Trevor Lawrence and also receiving votes andAndrews and I talked about this on
the air. We were surprised tosee Kyler Murray receiving a vote and Baker
Mayfield also, so that would meanthat if at least we're talking about Geno

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Smith at about eighteenth among the NFLthirty two quarterbacks. Yeah, it's a
weird one to me because the wayit's worded makes it seem like, okay,
honorable mention means these guys could bea top ten quarterback, but they
also could not be. They havea wide range of being like, could
be really good and also could beone of the worst quarterbacks in league.
And one name comes to mind whenI think that, that's Kyler Murray.

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Sure right, he has a talentto be one of the best quarterbacks in
the league. We just haven't reallyseen it for extended periods, not to
mention the injury history as well,a lot of questions about his attitude.
There's just a lot of red flagsthere. So but I could see where
he would be an honorable mention,and I should be fair. I'm a
Geno Smith fan. I think he'sa great option for the Seahawks this year,

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but I don't think he would bean honorable mention to be a top
ten quarterback. That being said,I think he's a better quarterback than Kyler
Murray. Is he a better quarterbackthan Baker Mayfield. It's about I think
they're dead even to be honest,Okay, they're both like fifteen sixteen point
flip, yeah, fifteen sixteen inthe league. Like those are literally if
you want take the average quarterback inthe league, it's Gino Smith and Baker

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Mayfield right now? Would you?And so none of that top ten you'd
put ahead of Gino Smith? Bythe way, would you have any issue
with any of those guys? No, not at all. The only one
I think of that shouldn't be inthe top what is it five? No,
top ten should be Matthew Stafford.He's done the tail end of his
career, his injury history. Onceagain, I don't know if this is
for next year, like top tenquarterbacks for twenty twenty four, or if

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it is from twenty twenty three,Like, I don't know, Like,
but I just wouldn't put Stafford thathigh. I'd still put them above Geno,
But I don't know. I justI just think there's there's some there's
some better players down there. Stroud'sto be hived as well. Yeah,
I mean, I think the onlyreason Stroud's that low is just because people
like to play the well, Idon't want to do it just based on
one year type of thing. Butif you watch that one year of CJ.

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Stroud, I think he's definitely atop five quarterback. I'd certainly take
him over. I would say AaronRodgers on that list is a little problematic
for me as well, if we'rejust being historically. He's been good,
but one of the greatest quarterbacks ofmy generation, without question. And you
know, I just wonder how ayear off at that age is going to
do. And and you know,we have a much larger sample of Aaron

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Rodgers than we do with CJ.Stroud, But we got much larger sample
of Stroud last year last year,yeah, than we did with Aaron Rodgers.
But the reason I bring up thatlist is I was looking at that
list and I was looking at howmany of those teams are true super Bowl
contenders? Yea, and I thinkpretty much all of them outside of the

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Texans and the Jets, I thinkare super Bowl contenders. I think the
Texans can be a Super Bowl considerin a couple of years. In fact,
I think they can build dynasties toostrong a word, but I was
so impressed with what CJ. Strouddid, and then Will Anderson and some
other really good players on that team. I think they're building something special in
Jamaco Ryan's I thought we should havewon Coach of the Year last year.
I'll due respect to Kevin Stefanski,but most of those players that we mentioned

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at the top and in the honorablemention as well, they are championship contenders,
are close to it. So you'resaying, you have a good quarterback,
then you're probably gonna be a goodteam. Yeah. Well, and
that's the thing, and that's theobvious point is obvious for sure. Thank
you so much. I actually doget paid to talk about this. It's
more so that, like you didn'tsee anybody really mentioned from teams that are

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rebuilding or justin well, Justin Herbert. That's a great point, you know,
that would be the one that youwould say, they have zero shot
of being a championship contender. Asgood of a coach as Khaki pants McGee
is, they are not going tocompete for a championship. McGee just I
hate him. I'll be honest withyou too. If he would have been

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named the Seattle Seahawks coach, Iwould have had a really hard time.
Oh yeah, and I would havetoo. I know a lot of people
would have liked it because he's proventhat, Yeh's a winner. But having
been a Seahawks fan and then aHusky fane and having him be a pain
in the butt for the both ofthose teams, sure, yeah, no,
thank you well. And it justcomes back though, to the conversation

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that I had with Mitchell on Fridayabout whether or not it's good to be
bad with Sam Howell or be mediocrewith Gino Smith. And I keep going
back and forth on it because Idon't want to watch the Seahawks tank.
I do not have any desire towatch a six and eleven football season.
I also have no desire to watchhim go nine to eight and missed the
playoffs by one game and picked seventeenthin a on paper mediocre draft. We'll

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see what happens, of course,but you're gonna miss out on the chance
to take quarterbacks, and I justdon't know if that's the better thing,
because I want the Seahawks to bewhat they were when I was not necessarily
growing up, but growing up ish. I want them to be a perennial
Super Bowl contender and I know thatthose things are not something that just gets

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handed to you, but I alsoknow that I don't think you could be
a perennial Super Bowl contender with Ginosmith. This year is a big test because
we've seen him with the same offensivecoordinator and the same head coach for the
past two years, and we sawwhat that is. It's nine to eight
pretty average. Yep. He's amiddle of the road quarterback. He won't
take you over the top, andhe needs a team around him to do

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better. Whether it's from coaching perspectiveor the players around him. I think
there is a chance, and there'sa bigger chance that he takes the next
step and obviously than Sam Howell takeshis team to the next step and becomes
something much more. I actually seea lot of similar skill sets that Gino
Smith has to what Michael Pennox broughtin college. Oh interesting, and I

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think Ryan Grubb's going to kind ofget the most out of that. Sure,
really good long ball can fit itinto tight areas. Maybe not the
most athletic, but his timing throwsare fantastic. Yeah, So I'm interested
to see how that goes. Ifit doesn't work out, this year,
I will be on the same boatas you and will not think that he
cannot take you over the top.But we've seen pretty I don't want to
say average quarterbacks go to the SuperBowl. I wouldn't put brock Party in

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the top ten at this point.I think if you swap Brock Party and
Gino Smith in their situations, theyget the same results. That's a really
good question. Yeah, I thinkRock Purty is a better player, mainly
because I have Brock Purty rookie cardsand I don't have a card fair enough
I could someday buy a house withone thing and not so much with the

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Gino Smith. Now that's a reallygood question, and it's a great point,
and we're gonna have to see overtraining camp, like how this offense
looks, how vertical it truly is. Because I brought this up with Mitchell
as well. Ryan Grubb is notnecessarily a vertical offense guy. He took
advantage of having three amazing wide receiversand it's pretty good, three pretty good

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ones, now, no question aboutthat. But he took advantage of that
a quarterback with certainly the arm strengthto throw the football, and also the
fact that the Pac twelve defenses weren'tgood last year and they took advantage of
an aerial attack. But he's beena good He's established a good running game
when he was at Fresno State.He has been a guy who has been
able to mix and match. Sowe'll see. Like I think he can

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even if Gino Smith does not havethe same arm strength as Sam Hal and
I think there's no denying that.Like, and that's more compliment to Sam
Hall. I think Sam Hal,I think has one of the better arms
in the National Football League, Likeyou could throw agree with that man,
He could throw the football really far, man like Ga. Gino's arm strength
is good. I question how muchhe's going to be able to get the

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ball downfield compared to Sam Oh.Okay, Yeah, I don't know about
that. I think Geno's one ofthe best downfields interesting and it's I don't
And again I don't think it's likehe is Chad Pennington. But I don't
think he is going to be ableto get the ball down the field as
much as Sam bel It's more complimentto Sam Hall than insult to Gino Smith.
Okay, but I'm going to bereally curious to see how this offense

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works. And man, I justdon't want to deal with a nine and
eight season. I don't want todeal with up and down. It would
be so much easier for me tojust it's palpable to see and it's much
more digestible to see being a fairlybad team. Because what you just talked
about Anderson, that sets the Seahawksback. If that happens, that sets

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the Seahawks back big time. Ifthey have another season like they did last
year. Yes, side, oh, now we have to make the quarterback
change. So my question is ifthey do I don't want to say tank,
but have a much lower record thanthey have the past few years and
don't make the playoffs, are kindof out of it, and they do
have a high draft pick. Isthere anyone you'd want? Yes? And
I've talked about this a bunch.I am a Chedre Sanders, stef Love

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No. Watch the tape of tenMiles Away from that. Thank you,
it's going to be a bye bye. And I'll say this too. Carson
Beck is another one I really likeas well. Yeah, I don't know.
The last year's class would have beenthe one to tank. Yeah,
And that's one of the reasons whyI really wanted the Seahawks to take Michael
Pennix. Yeah, and it endedup being not realistic. I don't know.

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I think it's an interesting debate,one that I think we'll have over
the next week. The important thingto take from this is I'm right and
Anders is wrong. Okay, we'regoing to talk MLB Draft next on kJ
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Yeah, that's true. Yeah,we're going to talk MLB draft and

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Andrews, why don't you take overhosting gigs and I'll take on my analyst
gigs and we'll see how that goes. Andrew's currently putting on his headphones and
you're looking much more professional. Thankyou. I had to get the music
set up for that opening there.Well done, by the way. Oh
thank you. So a couple coolquestions because I am not, by any
means an an MLB draft expert,but I'm curious on before we get into

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the actual picks, I want toknow your overall thoughts on the process,
in which, like the Mariners fromI want to say, twenty eighteen to
twenty twenty one basically all pictures inthe early rounds, and then the last
three years it's been like mostly hitters, right, And that's where we have
our current crop of young high prospects, whether it's Harry Ford, Cole Emmerson,

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sure all those guys. Right now, it seems like they're shifting once
again to more pictures. So itis that normal to kind of have like,
let's group them all up together,so we have a lot of pictures
coming up at once, and thenwe have a lot of hitters coming up
once, then we have a lotof pitchers coming up on once or do
more. Teams kind of mix itup within each draft. It's not unheard
of now there are teams that willspecifically only target certain areas of the draft,

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right, and like that usually meansthat they are just not taking high
school players. They want to haveguys who get there as quick as possible.
We saw we've seen the Los AngelesAngels do this for years. In
fact, we've seen their last twofirst round picks already playing the majors.
And it wouldn't shock me if theirfirst round pick this year played in the
majors this year. Oh and ChristianMoore. I'm not predicting it. I'm
just saying it wouldn't shock because he'sone of the more advanced bats. But

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typically it's not as much. It'salmost like a grocery store order. By
the way the Mariners have done it, now, this is not typical,
and I think some of this justhad to do with the value of classes.
Got it. You know that ifa good college pitcher would have fallen
to them, maybe they would havetaken a good college arm or a good
prep arm prep arm. I don'tknow, maybe not, but they typically

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like to attack certain areas. Andlook, as much as people liked talk
about this team is struggling offensively,and I get it, they are struggling
offensively, they needed to add somepitching. There is a one top fifteen
prospect to me in their system that'spitcher. So they had to attack that,
tack that range. And not tomention their value as an organization is
developing pitchers one hundred percent. Andthat's what you need to do with these

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young guys is develop them into actualmajor league ready players. So you're gonna
get a lot of value by pickingthings that you know that you can mold
into at least some value to tradefor or trade away. I should say,
okay, let's get into the picks. Now, first two guys,
name them off for us. Whatdo you think? And you know,
what do they bring to the table. So at fifteen they take a switch

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pitcher. Yes, that is areal thing, really, Jurangelo saying Jay.
And by the way, everyone's gonnaget that name wrong. I showed
that name to Anders and he hadabsolutely no idea. It's it's gonna be
a tough one, but you're gonnawant to learn it because I think he's
pretty good. He is a guywho can throw his fastball up to ninety
eight miles per hour from the rightside, okay, plus slider developing change,

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which is something It's also worth pointingout he was a draft eligible sophomore.
He only spent two years at MississippiState, twenty one years old,
put up good but not great numbers, but he was playing in the toughest
conference in college baseball. It's noteven close. The SEC is just absolutely
loaded with talented players, and hemore than held his own against those guys
from the left side. He's moreninety to ninety two with a good slider,

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doesn't have a third pitch, justthrows the fastball and slider. And
I think the ultimate goal here isgoing to be developing his right arm into
being a mid rotation starter. Okay, that's the ultimate goal here. If
he can do that and throw fromthe left side so that he can face
Oh, I don't know the dominiccan zones of the world, you know
where they are completely inept against lefthanded hitting pitching. Excuse me, Yeah,

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that's great, But the ultimate goalhere is developing his right arm.
I would have taken one arm aheadof him. It was a guy named
Trey Yesovitch from East Carolina. Heends up going at twentieth. I hesitate
to criticize too much because I thinkYesovich's stuff is clearly better. He has
four out pitches and he has someof the best analytical data on his fastball.
He releases his fastball as at thehighest point of any pitcher in the

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class, and it's not even close. But he also dealt with a collapse
lung. And that's a tough situationthere because it doesn't sound like a long
term injury, but maybe it couldbe a long term totally so that was
something that it's tough to just go, hey, why didn't you take this
guy without actually seeing the medical stuff. And also in the MLB draft,

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the signability matters so much more.Yeah, so much more. And maybe
Senjay was an easier sign than Yesovitch. So I don't hate it. Then
let's just talk about number two aswell, Ryan Sloan, and I personally
think he's the best best pitching preppitching prospect in the draft. He's a
six foot five, two hundred andtwenty pound guy imagined being eighteen and six

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foot five to twenty boy boy,oh boy, exactly eighteen, already getting
his fastball up to ninety nine milesan hour, has a ally plus change
up to which you do not seefrom high school players. Yeah, they
typically are, you know, theyhave a decent little change or there's the
makings of it. It's already anoutpitch. Yeah, and then he shows
a good slider. He repeats hisdelivery really well. This is one of

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the things too about taking Sanja isthat you're only gonna have to pay him
probably about three and a half million, and I do know, only come
on, let's talk about a lotof money here. Yeah, but that's
probably what Ryan Sloan's gonna get too. And because of the rules with the
draft, with the allocated funds,that really matters. So I thought they
did extremely well with both of thislist. Okay, before we go to
break, I want to give youa chance to kind of explain the signability

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factor into what happens with all ofthese. A lot of people kind of
associate Baseball no salary cap. Yeah, there basically is a salary cap for
the draft. When you don't drafta guy that you think is better because
he might be cheaper, that's notan organization being cheap. That's them wanting
to get value in other places.Exactly. This is not a case of
why aren't the Seattle Mariners signing theseThat could have been a case ten years

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ago. But they've created something calledthe Draft allocated fund where every pick is
assigned a certain dollar amount, andthat dollar amount gets added up in the
first ten rounds, and you havethat amount of money to spend if you
do not sign the player. Let'ssay your Durangelo decided that he wants to
go back to Mississippi State, theywould lose four point eight million dollars.
You do not get that four pointeight million dollars to spread around everybody to

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everybody else. So you have tosign that first round pick. It is
imperative because if you don't, you'regonna have to go one hundred thousand dollars
with a lot of your players afterwards. So yes, it absolutely does matter.
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just gonna reverse our roles a littlebit. I'm gonna play the role of

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Ian, Nathan is playing the roleof Chris, and Anders is playing the
role of Nathan. I hope Isaid that right. If not, that's
okay. Uh Nathan, the realNathan whose uh scream yard name is Chris,
is better than Ian at this.I mean, I just can't imagine
anybody coming up with such a wonderfullycreative thing. I really appreciate it your

(36:58):
opening statements on what was a promisingstart to the last week before the All
Star Break, and then uh ohwell, I'm just really excited that we're
here to finally do our big tenpreview episode. I think we can finally
talk about some real football now thatwe've got Ian, you know, shipped
off somewhere else. No. Iyou know, it is kind of like

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kind of a perfect encapsulation of thefirst half of the season, not even
we say first half. It's almostone hundred games in now, but you
know, lots of things to reallylike and give you some hope, especially
like you said at the beginning ofthe week. I thought we last week's
show, we said we wanted theMariners to more than wins and losses,
look better on the field than theyhave for a few weeks. And they
went right ahead and did that inthat two game series against a talented and

(37:45):
pretty competitive Padres roster. Granted theydidn't face any of their better starting pitchers,
but I thought they just played tworeally solid baseball games back to back,
and then that first game in theAngels series was just exactly what we've
been waiting for this team to dofor it feels like months now where they
not only win, but they comeout aggressive, they pile on runs,
and then they're starting pitching obviously justdominated like they have all season long.

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But then we hit the second halfof the week, and there's something oddly
poetic about losing not just three gamesto an objectively terrible Angels team, but
losing them all as one run games, and all of them largely because your
offense is just inexplicably prone to doingterrible things for long stretches of time.

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And I listened to my WHI lastnight. I tried to listen to it
often, but I last night wasobviously appointment listening for me after a game
like that, and I just reallyfelt like it resonated what Chris was saying,
or Ian, are we calling youIan today? I can't remember.
Okay, well, it's way betterthan what Ian normally says, and it
was just that he's this offense isjust unacceptable, and we want to play

(38:52):
the blame game. And it's noteven really about the blame game one hundred
games into the season at this point, it's just that this is what it
is. We just watched a basicallylong reliever, no hit this team for
almost five innings and what feels likea really crucial game with Houston breathing down
their next Thank god that Houston lostthe last two games of that Ranger series.
Except now the Rangers are five gamesback out of first and I don't

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know, guys, I'm interested tohear your guys' thoughts. It's we have
sixty four games left, and Idon't feel like I'm being a doomer or
a pessimist to say I think theMariners still have the third best rostrating the
American League West. Now they're infirst place, but I don't think that
they're the best team as they're currentlyconstructed. I just we talked about it
for weeks now. This trade deadlinejust feels huge. This team just has

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to get better. Anders your openingstatements on your initial Molly Watt Monday,
what are you thinking? Yah,I'm gonna try and do my best Nathan
Bishop impression, but unfortunately I'm cominghot with the positivity. Oh right off
the bat, screw time. Yeah, I know, I know it's it's
not gonna be. It's not gonnabe Nathan normally. But no, I

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think the big takeaways is that Nathanmentioned just now, is we wanted to
see the team look better, right, and the results weren't necessarily the thing
that we were looking for because wewere already in first place. Although Houston
is right there and Texas is comingback, who I actually am more worried
about than Houston, to be honest, I think Texas is a better roster,

(40:22):
their pitching is getting healthier now,and I think they were just kind
of coming over that World Series hangover. So I'm scared of them for the
second half the season. And Idon't see them standing pat at the deadline
either, So we'll see what endsup happening. But yeah, the biggest
thing for me is Julio is reallystarting to kind of look like the Julio

(40:42):
that we expected, and he's thekind of driving force of this offense.
Cal Rawley is hot as hot canbe at this point, hitting what six
home runs in seven days or somethinglike that. And the pitching, while
it's not as elite as it wasearlier in the season, it's it's starting.
Pitching at least is doing its job. They just couldn't find ways to

(41:04):
win those last three games, unfortunately, and the kind of variance that goes
in with playing a lot of onerun baseball games, this is what's gonna
happen. You're gonna lose some ofthose two, especially with a not fully
healthy bullpen. So I mean,the team's looking better, the offense is
looking better, and I think losewinning those first two in San Diego kind

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of offsets losing the second two orsecond three, I guess you could say
in La. So it just sucksto not come out with the series victory
against a team that's not good,and that's the La Angels. So I
know, come in with the hottakes going positive, but it just sucks
that the last three games were theones leading into the All Star breaks.

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So that's kind of the tough vibespart of it, you know. I
think that's a good point though,Like if they would have reversed this week
and you did it with that SanDiego series, I wonder how we'd be
feeling. But they didn't, Andyou saw the juxtaposition of this roster,
Like you saw how good this pitchingstaff can be. And then also while

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Julio looks better, while Cayl Rileyhad an incredible four or five game stretch
there, not not so great atthe very end of it, unfortunately.
But you did see how bad thisoffense still needs to get fixed, right,
Like you see so many non competitiveat bats, and it's just hard
for me to get too down onthis team based on them being in first

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place with you know, a we'venot seen this very often, right,
We have not seen this team inthis position often enough for me to be
too dour. But at the sametime, I see a golden opportunity could
be squandered here, a golden opportunityto get in the postseason with this pitching
staff. And let's get into thispitching staff. Logan Gilbert, my goodness,

(42:50):
gracious how good has this guy been? Anders Is Logan Gilbert the ace
of the Seattle Mariners right now?I still think Luis Castillo if you were
to play a playoff game right nowand every pitcher was healthy, Luis Castillo
would be starting Game one, atleast for me, because he's the guy
that you paid, He's the guythat's done it before, and he still
seems like he in the big moments. He pitches really really well. That

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being said, Logan Gilbert is thebest pitcher right now in the Mariners.
I think that can sometimes mean differentthings than the ace of the staff.
It's the guy you trust the most. But right now and most of this
year, Logan Gilbert has been thebest pitcher on the staff. It's amazing
what he's doing. Guys in anera where you know, you don't see
pitchers go seven innings very often.I think he's gone seven plus, like

(43:34):
in three the last four outings,including two eight inning outings, so that's
incredible. I really like his stuff. His splitter is looking incredible. It's
unhittable right now to left handed batters. But I still I think game one
of a playoff series I would stillgo Luis Castillo. If we was starting
today, Nathan, I'm gonna gowith yes, I think the Logan Gilbert

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is the ace and this is goingto be kind of like an old man
and yells at cloud kind of atake. But for me, it's we're
in this new era and there's nowe can criticize the Mariners all we want
about the stuff they do, likeyesterday being a great example where everybody was
upset because Logan got pulled after eightyseven pitches and in YadA, YadA,
YadA. The fact of the matteris what you're yelling at there, and
it's fine, I'm mad at ittoo. You're yelling at modern baseball.

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You're not yelling at Scott's service.You're not yelling at the Seattle Mariners.
This is the way of the sportis But to bring that back to Logan,
what an ace means to me,it's not just who has the best
stuff. It's not just who candominate at their peak the best. It's
who is going to shove for thelongest amount of time, who can go
deep into a game, get througha lineup that third time and still have

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hitters off balance and make them lookbad. A full seven even God forbid
eight innings into a modern game.And Logan Gilbert for this entire first half
of the season has been the pitcheron the Mariners that has shown that he
can go deep into games and shutdown lineups three times through a roster.
And for me, with my Ithink that the idea of what an is

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so ephemeral that we can kind ofjust decide, like Honors already alluded to
it, we can kind of decidewhat that means to us. For me,
an ace is a guy that goesdeep into games. Felix Hernandez is
the quintessential ace, that player thatwill go will put a terrible offense on
his back and just say, don'tworry about it. We can lose one
nothing and I'll throw a complete game, because that's what Felix did time after

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time after time. So I dothink Logan has been the ace of this
staff for the first half. Butit's also splitting hairs, which is a
testament to the greatness of the greatstrength of this roster. Anders did you
have an issue with them pulling Loganafter seven yesterday? Oh? Yeah,
like again, But as Nathan said, that's not something that other teams don't
do right. It's not just amaritor's thing like, oh my god,
we're the only team that does that. Like it's I still don't understand it.

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I can I can get behind andnot going through three times to the
order or whatever, and like hisnumbers go down if his slogan goes up.
I don't know. And there's there'sa lot of different analytics that prove
that, you know, pulling pitchersearly is usually the right thing to do,
but that's when you have guys thatyou can trust behind him, and
you have a true I don't wantto say set up because that's even more

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old school than I am, butyou have high leverage guys and multiple of
them that you could that you haveavailable that you know are going to get
these next guys out. I stillthink Logan Gilbert at that point in the
eighth inning was the best pitcher available, and he had It's not like he
was at one hundred pitches or atsome point where he was he looked like
his velo was down. No,he was just cruising through the lineup.

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So I would have definitely gone withhim in the eighth inning. Just to
add on to that point, Sorry, really quick I mean, Paul Sken's
just got pulled, thrown a nohitter, threw seven innings. This is
not a Seattle Mariners, just toemphasize that thing. And Paul Skeins looked
great. I think he was comfortablysitting at about one hundred and two at
the time. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, he pitched out one hundred

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and two miles per hour as well. Yes, correct. So it's just
it's not my fit. It's notfun. I think a lot of modern
baseball has taken away a lot ofthe things that we as fans grew up
really thinking we're special about baseball,and that idea of a clearly drained starting
pitcher being allowed to try to finisha game, to achieve something that's singularly

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interesting and cool and statistically significant,but maybe not the most efficient use of
his time. It's just it's abummer, but I understand it. As
Anders said, the numbers back upthe decision. Chris Crawford and for Ian
Forness Mollywatmunday, presented by Simply SeattleNathan Victor Robless. I've been really impressed

(47:36):
with what I have seen. Thisguy, I think needs to be in
the line up more often, whatsay you, my friend, Yeah,
I mean, I love players.This is going to be a terrible comp
But Victor Roblest, much like howI feel about Hulio Rodriguez, doesn't necessarily
have to hit to be a usefulMajor leaguer, And we've already established that
basically no Seattle manner is going tohit, ever, so we might as

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well get guys who can divide valueand utility to this roster when they're not
hitting. Now, it's great thatRobusts has had a couple of great offensive
games this past week and shown hisversatility and when he gets on the bases,
he can really impact the game.But this is also a good defensive
outfielder, and my god, likethe bar is so low out there in
the corner outfield spots, and LukeRayley's not hitting. He's kind of been

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up and down over the past monthor so, and he's easily your second
best outfielder on this roster right now. So I'm totally with you until they
acquire a player that is notably andemphatically better than Victor Robluss, and that's
not coming from within the organization anytimesoon. I don't see any reason that
he can't be getting regular playing timeAndrews, do you agree? Yeah,
totally. I mean, and thebiggest thing for me is you mentioned at

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the beginning to show Chris that likethis they're not having competitive at bats as
a team. That's not the caseof Victor Robless. He looks like he's
a professional hitter up there, andhe's at the bottom of the lineup.
Every single time he's working counts,hitting the ball hard, taking his walks
like. I've been really impressed withhim. And then that adds on to
what his original value was when theyacquired him, and that's his defense.

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So yeah, I think he needsto be, at least as of now,
an everyday guy. But we've seenthis happen before where guys get hot
and they just they keep using themin their same platoon roles that they had
before instead of playing the hot games. So I hope they adjust in some
ways, but I'd like to seehim an Indie lineup more often. Yeah,
I personally think that the outfield rotationright now should be Victor Roblez,

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that one guy in center field,and Luke rayleyan right, I think that
is your best lineup right now,And I will point out Luke Rayley,
after a really nice little may hasnot looked so great at the plate either,
But that's just another example of howmuch this team needs to add on
some reinforcements. Anders, since youbrought up the bottom of the lineup,
I know you and I both definitelyagree on this one, and I'll have

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you give your thoughts. And thenNathan Julio rodgri Giz, who has looked
so much more comfortable at the plate. He looks like he's driving the baseball
to the pole side. Both youand I have talked off the air on
the air on the various podcasts.We don't tell people about the shows that
we do, but we go onas different aliases and talk about Julio Rodriguez

(50:13):
hitting in the leadoff spot. Justtell people why you want to see that
dude hitting at the top of thelineup. So the whole thought behind that
is I think he, first ofall, he has a different approach when
he hits in the leadoff spot versuswhen he hits in the two hole,
versus when he's hitting fourth, whichhe is more than often than not right
now, and for the longest time, I was like, Okay, yes,

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but JP is kind of a reallygood leadoff hitter, and he,
like you want the best offense,I think constructed when everyone's playing well.
It's a big if is when JP'sleadoff and Julio's second, so he can
kind of hit him in because JPgets on base at a pretty high clip
when he's hitting well. But Istill think your best hitter's best position in

(50:54):
the lineup is the leadoff spot,if that makes sense. And I want
to get the most out of thebest hitter in the lineup, and that's
Julio Rodriguez. He seems to havea little bit more patience at the play,
doesn't really focus on being the guyto drive anyone in. He takes
good at bats. He can hitthe leadoff home run. We've seen him
do that a lot of times before, and he has the best numbers in

(51:15):
his career for an extended period whenhe hits in the leadoff spot. Basically
all of twenty twenty two it washim leadoff, and that was his offensively
best year, So I think he'smost comfortable there. He's kind of good
starting out the game being the guyat the top of the lineup to start
things instead of the guy to finishthings. And I'm not using any you

(51:37):
know, baseball nerd terminology, butit just it looks better when he's in
the leadoff spot, and then hecan get on base and cous havoc on
the base pass when he's not beingpicked off. So I still think that's
his best spot, but I wantto differentiate his best spot versus when the
offense is at its best. It'sstill JP and the leadoff and Julio behind

(51:57):
him, but that's not happening rightnow. I think this is one of
those things where I'm not going toget into the baseball nerd terms either,
like Andres said, but I thinklineup stuff doesn't matter until it does in
the sense that to what Anders said, if Julio feels more comfortable in a
spot in the lineup, that makessense because when Julio is more comfortable,

(52:20):
he will perform better. Like thereisn't really like a different kind of hitter.
Yeah, theoretically, I guess youwant a HIOBP guy in the leadoff
which is why theoretically JP Crawford belongsthere because he has the highest walk rate
on the team. Doesn't really matterwhen he's hitting two O four, But
The idea here is for all ofthese guys, including Julio very much,
because the offense does, as wesaw this past week, just is so
much, so much better when he'sdriving the baseball. By the way Baseball

(52:45):
Nerd stat Julio the past week hadthirteen balls in play and thirteen hits,
which is a babbit of one thousand. It will be interesting to see if
that continues moving forward. But Ido really think that to Honor's point,
all that matters to me is youget Julio in the place where he's the
most comfortable, because we've seen asa young player he can appear uncomfortable at

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times, whether that's pressing, whetherthat's something else, whether that's him feeling
like he has to carry the entireteam if he's in a certain spot in
the lineup. So if leadoff iswhere Julio is comfortable, then that makes
him the best version of Julio thatwe currently have, and that's what the
Seattle Mariners need to win the AlWest. Molly wat Monday presented by Simply
Seattle. Nathan, I'm just goingto have you close Anders. We're going

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to talk a whole bunch throughout thisday and throughout this whole week. Just
give your final thoughts on this firsthalf and what how optimistic are you?
How optimistic can you be about afirst place team that also has these struggles.
And I know you talked about ita bunch in your opening statements,
but in four days they're going toplay I think, one of the biggest
series in Mariner history. And Iknow that sounds like a crazy thing to

(53:50):
say, but to play these threegames against the Astros and set the tone
of what this second half can be, you know, just kind of give
your thoughts on what this weekend willmean and what this second half will mean
for the Seattle Mariners. Well.I kind of rambled about it a little
bit on a really bad internet websitethat you guys shouldn't be on this morning,
but I'll try to summarize it forour radio show. I think that

(54:12):
there's this as a longtime Mariner fan, and obviously I bring this weight to
me to the show and anytime Italk about the Mariners. There's a baggage
that comes with being a longtime Marinerfan, and part of that is a
pull towards fatalism and cynicism and thefeeling that no matter what happens, the
Mariners are going to fall short,or they're going to frustrate us, or
they're going to disappoint us. Well, I think we need to reject that

(54:34):
this has been a frustrating last threedays or so, and it can obscure
the fact that, as Chris alreadytalked about, there's an incredible opportunity ahead
over the next sixty four games forthis organization. There is an absolutely realistic
scenario where the twenty twenty four SeattleMariners play in the World Series. And
I think as fans we should embracethat. And I'm really, really really

(54:58):
trying to hold off my cynesism andhope and expect that the organization sees that
as well over these next two weeks. I think this series against Houston is
massive, Chris. I think thistrade deadline is a huge one for the
Seattle Marriors. And to me,as I tried to say again on that
awful website, it doesn't necessarily meanthat the Mariners have to win the Al

(55:19):
West. For me and I thinkfor other longtime fans that have been burned
and people who are so frustrated withthe press conference that Jerry gave after the
season last year and all the falloutthis come from that. What I need
to see is I need to seethat winning the twenty twenty four AL West
is of paramount importance to this organizationto the extent that they will sacrifice financially,
that they will sacrifice perhaps long termgoals and plans to incentivize the idea

(55:44):
of winning the American League West intwenty twenty four. They've got about two
and a half weeks now where theycan show us as fans that that is
the primary goal of this organization isto hang a division banner in T Mobile
Park and get us a home seriesof playoff games in front of this place.
And I think the exciting thing,you guys, there's no reason they
can't do that. Yes, experiencehas taught us that they will not,

(56:07):
but that doesn't determine past experience isnot determined future results. You know,
They the twenty twenty four Mariners arenot the past. They're not my experiences,
they're not my emotional damage that thisorganization has given me. They are
a wide, vast swath of opportunityin which anything can occur. And I
really really am going to try tohave that mindset going into the second half,

(56:29):
and I really hope that the organizationhas the same mindset. Let's go
win a world series. Nathan,You're the best. Where can people follow
your work? You can follow meon that aforementioned terrible website which is x
slash Twitter at Nathan Underscore h UnderscoreB. I recommend it. I barely
recommend it, but I do recommendit. Malli Wan Monday once again presented

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much to Naking Bishop, and ofcourse thank you to Simply Seattle for sponsoring
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(57:37):
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(57:58):
public school. What the hell couldpossibly suggest that I wouldn't be great about.
Hey, we got a little bitof uh, it's I guess breaking
news, kind of breaking news.It's news that's breaking. There you go,
now it feels official. Bob Nightingaleof USA Today is reporting that the

(58:19):
Mariners are emerging as favorites to tradefor one Jazz Chisholm Junior Jazz Eraldo Chisholm
Junior, full name, And Iam intrigued and I'm curious what everybody thinks
on the text line as well.Four nine four five one. When it's
game time, it's time let usknow what you think about jazz Chism.

(58:39):
Josh Chisholm is a really interesting player. There is no denying that the talent
is up there. He is aguy who can do a little bit of
everything. He has also been aplayer that has had contact issues, to
say the very least, and therehave been some reports about him not being
necessarily the greatest clubhouse influence. Nowthe latter number one, I'm not in

(59:04):
that clubhouse. I'm not in theMarlins clubhouse. Are you kidding me?
I wouldn't go to Miami if youpaid me. Way too hot, but
way too hot, really. Yeah, the only cities I'm willing to go
to are Shelton, Seattle, andWashoogle. Those are the only three that
I'm willing to go to. Okanot a vacation guy. Oh, I'm
a huge vacation guy from home.Okay, vacation. My vacation would be
playing NTAA football, which we're goingto talk about on Friday, for sure.

(59:28):
I can not wait. But we'renot in that clubhouse. We don't
know how much influence he really has. We're not in the Seattle clubhouse all
that often either, But lots ofreports about that being one of the better
clubhouses, and I think that's somethingthat Scott's Service doesn't get enough credit for.
Yeah, that is a well connectedgroup of guys, and I think
Jazz Chisholm would be a really,really really good fit. Into that group,

(59:51):
and the talent is just something Ican't ignore. Okay, So question
for you bringing in someone who rightlyor wrongly has been tauted as a not
a great clubhouse presence, you wouldyou be more worried that your good clubhouse
that you have now would be kindof ruined because of that, or would
you be more our good clubhouse canfix the one guy that's coming in.

(01:00:15):
Which one of those two feelings areyou feeling stronger about? Boy, that's
a good question. That's why youget paid the big bucks. Right While
you get that question, normally Iwould say it's the latter, and I
would prefer to keep the good clubhousetogether. Yeah, you're not good enough
to do that. Man, You'rejust not a good enough group of players
right now. You're not succeeding enoughoffensively to just say, well, we

(01:00:36):
can't trade for talent because he's abad clubhouse guy. Man, players,
you gotta get good players. AndI really do believe that these guys will
fit in, Like I think thatI trust Julio and ty France, assuming
that ty France is a guy thatis not getting moved to Miami. I
don't know why they have any interestin ty France, like there are leaders
in that clubhouse that are going toI don't want to say the word keep

(01:00:57):
in Lyne because that has connotations thatI just don't want to get into.
But also that like, hey,this is how we do things here and
we're trying to win a world championship. We've seen tons of those type of
guys make the move over and itworks, I think more often than not.
And look, when it doesn't work, it doesn't work, really doesn't
work. But it's not working rightnow. Yeah, they're not working right

(01:01:20):
now. It's I just can't passon the talent. And I think it's
worth pointing out Josh hasn't played secondbase for the first time in two years.
That was gonna be my second question. Where do you think he would
play if he came here. He'splayed outfield for the last two years almost
exclusively, but he was a secondbaseman kind of coming up as a prospect
and that's where he had his bestcareer year. I think he would play
both. I think he would playsecond base and he would play some left
field, maybe a little bit ofright field. But I think the fact

(01:01:45):
that to quote my good friend MichaelScott. The timing is nothing short of
predominant, right, I have jadsChism play second base. Right when these
reports are coming out, I getthat people, I'm guaranteeing, I'm predicting
the text line is going to bevery negative about I just think that people
are going to take the clubhouse cancerthing a little too serious. Yeah,

(01:02:06):
And I just don't think that youcan ignore talent. I think the fact
that this guy can hit for power, that he can steal bases, that
he can play quality ish defense atsecond base, really good defense in the
outfield. So like with his athleticism, I just really would love to see
a player like Jashishlm. A lotof this is going to be determined by

(01:02:27):
what they'd have to give up to, right, Like I'm not giving up
Cole to Emerson, I'm not givingup Harry Ford. I'm not giving up
Cole Young. But if you're willingto move, like I hate saying it,
but like a Felm and cellistin,if you're willing to move. Michael
Arroyo is an easy one of theseplayers to type. And Michael Royo is
a good player, don't get mewrong. But because of the depth that
you've built in the middle infield.That's a guy who would make sense for

(01:02:50):
Miami. Not to mention the agetoo, He's going to be a while
before he comes up one hundred percent. But the big three of Montes and
Ford and Emerson, and I thinkyou can add Young to that group as
well. The big four they're notbeing moved, not just the other guys.
I think would actually make sense.And you could go get a jazz
chislm and still go get a reallygood player on top of that. That
would not take you out of goingto get Luise Robert, that would not

(01:03:13):
take you out of getting Vladdie Junior. Positional Wise, it might have to
make a little more sense because ifyou get Luise Robert, then just Chism's
coming here to play second base.Oh yeah, without question. In my
humble estimation, I think ultimately it'sworth it. Yeah. Okay. So
the other thing that I kind ofthink about with this kind of thing is
I'm a belief, big believer inwinning helps everything. It cures every one

(01:03:36):
hundred percent. So imagine being ina clubhouse where you're losing seventy percent of
your game, sixty percent of yourgames, like in Miami, where you
just a non competitive you're trading awayone of your best players in may,
Like, I don't understand, Like, there's so many situations where a really
good player is in a bad situationand they're kind of seen as like,
oh, they're a clubhouse cancer,like, and then they go to a

(01:03:58):
good situation and they're all of asudden, that narrative is gone because they're
in a much better winning situation.You're going to the ballpark to compete for
something every single day. It changeseverything. So I agree with you.
You got to try something at thispoint because this offense as it's constructed right
now is not working. And ifthat's one of the ways that you can
get better, got to explore thatoption one hundred percent. And again,

(01:04:18):
it has a lot to do withthe fact that this lineup isn't good enough
to turn down these types. Now, there are different types of clubhouse bad
guys too. We're not talking abouta domestic violence guy. We are not
talking about someone who has a significantcrime rap just maybe isn't paying as close
to attention to stuff as people wouldlike. You know, that's attitude and

(01:04:39):
maybe a little bit of a badattitude. And let's also keep this in
mind. Reporters like to talk topeople who are in good moods, and
I'm guessing that, considering how terriblethe Miami Marlins have been, get Chism
probably hasn't been in a great moodall year. And I'm not just saying
that. There are some good reportersfor the Miami Marlins that I'm not friends
with, but you know, theywouldn't throw dirt at me. There are

(01:05:00):
reporters for other teams, maybe considerit. But the Miami Marlins have a
good group of guys, but everybodygets in a dour mood. Everybody doesn't
like losing. And we didn't hearthese reports in twenty twenty three. We
didn't hear him when they made theplayoffs. He was a big part of
it, you know, injured,but a big reason why for their success.
I don't know. I think it'skind of simlly to just say,

(01:05:20):
well, this guy is not nicein the clubhouse, let's go ahead and
keep running out to eighteen hitters.Ye, I don't see it. He
is a seven twenty eight ops.I think that'd be like third or fourth
of the Mariners right now. Sosad, you know, that's a sad
state of baseball, not just theMariners, just the fact that above a
seven hundred ops has become such agreat thing. Yeah, guys who are

(01:05:42):
above seven hundred, by the way, are playing in the All Star Game,
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(01:07:13):
Derby today, Andrews, we didn'ttalk about this. Who do you think
is winning tonight the Derby? Yeah? I mean Pete Alonso. It's just
the event he lives for. Sobut he hasn't won it the last few
times either. Yeah, but he'sbeen close. It's not like he's looked
bad and had some bad rounds andthe other there. It's not a deep
It's not my favorite field at allnot at all. I don't I love
Alec Bohum. I think he's hada great first half of the season.
He's not a home run hitter.Why is he in this? It's a

(01:07:35):
great question. I will say.I've heard a lot of people talk about
Alec Boum in batting practice just putson a shot, cranking it. And
he's a six foot five, twohundred and twenty five pound guy, line
drives though. He's not a yeahguy, you know, And you know
people have talked about Gunner Henderson beingmore of a line drive back, and
they typically don't do great in thistype of event. I'm gonna pick a

(01:07:56):
Dolas Garcia to win, Yeah,And I think it's part of the hometown
thing. And then part of ittoo is just like you said, I
don't think the field is all thatgreat. It's those two. Those are
the two that I was trying todecide between. I could totally see Garcia
WINNI because he's kind of a showmanshipguy, gets up for the big moment,
especially it's in Texas. That's agood pick. Let me know who
you guys think is going to winon the telemore do text line four nine

(01:08:17):
four or five one. When it'sgame time, it's time. So something
I was talking to about Anders isone of my favorite things to do is
when the All Star lineup comes out. Yeah, I take a look at
that lineup and I see how manyof those players are on track? And
on track is very subjective here tomake the Hall of Fame. And I

(01:08:38):
was taking a look at the NationalLeague lineup and I came up with two.
Okay, I think shohe Otani isthe lock of locks. Oh yeah,
to be a Hall of Famer.And I would be very surprised if
Bryce Harper was in a Hall ofFame. I think he's locked it up
already. Have you looked at theAmerican League lineup yet? I have not.
Okay, I'm gonna pull this up. This is very good Live Radio.
Your American League lineup is leading offStephen Kuan not a Hall of Famer,

(01:09:01):
not yet. I mean he's youngGunner Henderson not a Hall of Famer,
but really on the trajectory right now, too early, too early,
wan Soo. Hall of famer.Yeah, Aaron Judge, the Hall of
Fame, of Hall of Fame stuff. My buddy Mike Bowman, who not
the Pitcher. But my buddy whowrites for The Ringer, Yeah, used
to debate this on me with me, Jordan Alvarez, he's also yeahr question

(01:09:26):
mark, I was gonna say he'she's also pretty young. How was he
twenty six right now? Yeah?And boy the numbers he's put up have
just been spectacular as a world series. But yeah, that skill set tends
to not age particularly well. Youtrue, So we'll see what happens there.
Yep. Jose Ramirez, I thinkhe's a Hall of Fame. Yeah.
I think that's actually more of alocked than people think he is.
He's been very, very very goodsince twenty eighteen, which is a long

(01:09:48):
time. That's six years from now. Uh. Vladimir Guerrero Junior. Not
a Hall of Famer at this stage. It could happen still twenty five,
but not at this stage. AdleyRichman, I think is on the trajector,
especially at the position that he plays. Agreed, I think if he
continues his development. He's only thisis only his third year, which is
crazy to me. Sure, Yeah, I think he is. And then

(01:10:10):
Marcus Simeon probably not really good career, but I don't think that he's a
Hall of Famer at this stage.I mean I could see arguments for that,
yeah, but I don't think so. And then Corbyn Burnsey is going
to start that one's pretty close.That's a tough one. That is a
tough one. He's been one ofthe best pitchers in the league the last
like four years. So ah,man, I don't know how many does

(01:10:31):
he have two so Young's or justone? I just as the one.
And then the guys that we decidedweren't Hall of Famers on the National League
by the way, Kettel Marte notat this point, but could could end
up. There's an outside chance there. Trey Turner outside chance, but probably
definitely needs to stay healthy. Likeover the obvious points obvious, William Catrere
is, you can't say hall ofFamer right now. Christian Yelich, I

(01:10:53):
don't think you could say Hall ofFamer right now. Alec Boeum absolutely not
a Hall of Famer right now.To Oscar, we love you, but
but not a Hall of Famer.And Eurickson profile not a Hall of Famer.
What's interesting was, and I broughtthis up with Anders, I actually
think the third best chance of beingthe Hall of Famer right now and it's
just because he has so much infront of him. Is Livy Dun's boyfriend,
Paul Skeens, I think is theguy who has the best job outs

(01:11:16):
of any of those guys, ifonly because all we've seen is dominance.
Right, Yep, there's a longway to go. And if we're gonna
say that Paul Skeins has a greatchance, Gunner Henderson obviously has a great
chance, and some other guys too. But man, Paul Skeins, we
talked about that on Friday. Didyou have an issue with them pulling him
with the no hitter after only ninetynine pitches. It's hard for me to

(01:11:38):
say because I'm not a Pirates fan, so I'm not as dialed in like,
oh I wanted to see that.Oh sure, but first year in
the big leagues. Considering how hardhe throws, did they end up winning
the game? They did end upputting the game. It got a little
sketchy there because it was a onenothing game. Anders, how many rookies
do you think have thrown no hittersof all time? Yeah, just give

(01:11:59):
a ballpark figure twenty twenty four.You're really close, guests, which tells
you that, yes, It's notthe most common thing, but it's far
from something that has never done.It's never done. Right, if he
had a perfecto going, you letthat dude pitch the perfect A perfect game
is such a special thing that Ithink you have to let him finish that

(01:12:20):
thing. Yeah, I'm not.I'm not super upset about that. He's
your guy. He is literally yourcornerstone for your franchise, and it's his
first year in the league. Hegot to really work him into it.
They've done it before. Yeah,so I think it's totally okay, especially
him pitching the All Star Game.So yeah, imagine being pulse schemes.
Yeah, like the life that youhave right now, you get I believe

(01:12:44):
it was a ten million dollar bonus. You are the maybe the best pitcher
in baseball right now. If you'renot, you're way up there. It's
close, way up there. Youhave one of the most famous partners in
the entire world. Yep, youhave a clue glorious mustache. Absolutely,
that's the best part of his life. Ronnesting, Oh man, if I

(01:13:04):
could pull off that mustache almost saidsomething that I could get fired from there.
But it is looking at that AllStar lineup This is one of the
weaker I think, to be honestwith you, and some of that has
to do with like Julio disappointed ronald'conneyjunior, who put together one of the
greatest seasons I've ever seen. Yeah, not available. Aaron Judge is great.

(01:13:25):
One Soto's great. By the way, Wan Soto, how good would
he look int the Seattle marriage?Huh, don't get me started. He's
my favorite player that's not a Mariner. Is he your favorite player that's not
a marinor yes? Currently playing?Yes, mine's Paul Skins. Now for
all the reasons that it's okay,you love his mustache a lot. I
really really do. Speaking of mustaches, in no way, We're going to
talk to Keith Law about the MLBDraft coming up on Sports Radio ninety three

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(01:14:29):
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(01:14:53):
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Oh, why do you sound sodejected by that. I'm just tired
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Let's go. Joining us on theBeacon Plumbing hotline. Guy who I've been
friends with for an awful long time. He is the senior writer for the
Athletic. He is somebody who hasworked for Major League Baseball. He is
someone who really likes board games.I'll have him on to talk board games

(01:15:38):
sometime because he knows his stuff.He is my good buddy, Keith Lock.
Keith, how are you doing today? I'm good and I'm tired.
There's been a lot of drafted.They've been drafted. How okay, how
much tention do you pay today too? Like? I know you don't not
pay attention to day too, butlike, is there a certain point where
you kind of not tap out butkind of go like, all right,

(01:16:00):
these are guys are outside of mylist. To that point, what point
does Keith Laws start to say it'stime to do the writing portion of this
stuff. And obviously you've done someright, but you know what I mean.
Yeah, yeah, I actually startedthis morning just writing up like you
know, we had Day one right, it was picked rounds one and two.
So I just started up the teamby team recaps and figured I just

(01:16:20):
roll with roll with them dressing Todaywe're in the in the eighth ground.
I had the tracker ut but Iwas just doing I was another media hit.
So wherever we are now, we'reat the point where you know,
I probably know off hand right halfthe players getting drafted, because we're getting
a lot of college seniors now orother money saver picks who are not they're

(01:16:45):
not non prospects, but they're notreal prospects. And you know, the
lower tier high school guy, theless famous high school guy, but they
made those guys may be real prospects. But you know, any area of
scout did the work, say,and he's got the they knew that they
could sign in maybe slide into thatspot in the draft. But folks like
me, we don't have as muchinformation because maybe the kid wasn't scouted as

(01:17:06):
much by other clubs or didn't doas much of the showcase stuff. So
I'll do some work afterwards on thoseguys, because obviously once they're taken,
once players are taken, it's gottoo much mobiling to share information. Yeah,
that makes a lot of sense,Keith. One of the things I
thought we were going to see abunch of yesterday was chaos. And I
thought we were starting to see somechaos when Chase Burns goes with the second

(01:17:29):
pick, but after that, Idon't think there was a ton of chaos.
Was it a little more of astraightforward draft than you thought it would
be? Or am I crazy?Yeah? No, that's exactly what I
thought. That kind of what Iwrote this morning was actually this was pretty
chalk and last year's was too.We're just not seeing the craziness. And
people were saying to me in thelast week there's going to be crazy deals
in the teams. I don't evenknow what that would constitute at this point,

(01:17:51):
but you know that they were,you know, names to make you
fall out of your chair, andI can't believe they took that guy,
Damie or Isaac was that guy tooyears ago? He went the very end
of the first round. I waslike, you know, I just made
the face in the gift right whereit's just blank blank blank blank, right,
and you know, and then foundout all they were like three other
teams there are three teams total thatwere heavy on him, and everyone else

(01:18:14):
was either just out on because it'snot a great body, it's first base
only high school player, or becausehe was too expensive, right, So
that to me, that's a bigsurprise. There were two guys who were
taken in the first round yesterday,Graylan pained by the Brewers and Dante worried
about the Phillies who surprised me wereoutive to the other picks. But they
were both in my top one hundred. I knew immediately who they were and

(01:18:36):
could immediately tell you why they weretaken in the first round even if I
didn't blank them there. So tome, that doesn't really qualify. Otherwise,
it was just like, yeah,the orders a little different than I
guess, and some spots because weall have different opinions on players. Cool,
yeah, and it would be prettyboring if we didn't, right,
it would be not the most verytrue. Yeah, And you know,

(01:18:56):
it's not the most exciting event anyway. But adding a little bit of is
definitely interesting. Chris Crawford and forIan Forness talking to Keith Lon to Beacon
Plumbing Hotline. So let's talk aboutthe Mariner picks. Mariners had two yesterday
that I really want to talk toyou about, starting with their first pick,
the switch pitching Durangelo Jay, which, by the way, boy,
seeing that name and then hearing howit's pronounced was one of the big surprises

(01:19:19):
of my life. I've got totell you right now. I was thinking,
Sente ste there's got to be something, and then when I heard saying
Jay, that was a real eyeopener for me. But it does sound
like it's a name that everybody's goingto have to learn. Were you surprised
by him at fifteen? And alsodo you think it was good value?
I wasn't. I had think Ihad them taking him either my last mock

(01:19:41):
or the one before it. Iknew they wanted a pitcher. They were
hoping they would get one of Cinchaor you Savage, and both were there
actually, so then it got interesting, right which one do they end up
taking? You know, I'll bevery curious all spring you Savage was everyone
said he's the and that's the righthand Carolina who went twenty aeth everyone said
he's the third best college pitcher onthe board. I'm not sure. I'll

(01:20:05):
be very curious to see Sincha.I think since it was a less known
quantity coming into the year, hereally topped this spring and set the switch
pitching thing aside for a moment,because although it's real, it is a
little gimmicky when talking about the player. It's right handed that he's going to
be. That's going to be thebulk of what we see from him.
He's a much more complete pitcher,a full arsenal from that side, better

(01:20:28):
command, you know, he mightdo. He might pitch left handed occasionally,
maybe against tough lefties to give himselfthe platoon advantage. I'll be curious
to see how them the Mariners chooseto develop him, because there's not exactly
a blueprint for guys like that.But I love the pick that there was
great value. I think he's superathletic. I will say I am kind
of biased in favor of players fromcurre Us now. I think we have
consistently see guys who come out ofthere who play baseball at a really high

(01:20:51):
level. They have great instincts,great feel for the game. They'll speak
five languages, which I think isa nottch you pretty awesome. I'm all
for it, and I think itwas a great pick and also coincidentally exactly
what the Mariners need. Yeah,and I think you know, there were
a lot of people who were prettyupset not to see a bat, in
part because I don't know if you'veheard, Keith, the Mariners are in

(01:21:14):
first place, but have had someoffensive struggles, you know, as a
guy who's covered the draft for aslong as you have. And yes,
I am calling you world right now, I am explaining, I'm quietly calling
you an old man here kind ofexplain why drafting for need, especially for
drafting for need in a current statusfor the MLB draft, is such a
mistake. So, you know,the simplest explanation is that, unlike the

(01:21:39):
two drafts, people know the bestthe NFL, in the NBA, right
in MLB, these players don't comeright to the major Sure, Okay,
Paul Skins got there pretty quick,right. We actually have four guys from
last year's draft who were in themajors crazy already at the one year mark.
And that's a lot by our standard, right, this is, that's
just not how it goes. Theyhit or you take in the draft right

(01:21:59):
now is probably not helping your majorleague club for at least a year,
probably more. And then in thatcase, then you've got to think,
well, what does our major leagueclub look like a year from now?
Well, guess what. The Marinersfarm system is really pretty deep in hitters
right now. Now. They're notall going to be in the Major's at
this point next year, but oneor two might be flash. They might
use one or two of those guysto make a trade to go get a

(01:22:20):
hitter for the major league club.Drafting a hitter right now because your major
league offense isn't good makes no,absolutely no sense to me. And I
understand you are not saying that.I think fans may be saying that,
just like I had fans Cardinals fansay why would the Cardinals take a short
stop at seventy JJ weatherhold when theyhave Mason Win? And I was like,

(01:22:41):
just sit down a moment, I'llexplain a few and very very small
words. Well, we sure appreciateit, because as non smart folks really
do like them small words. Talkingabout the fifty fifth pick, I was
surprised he was still there. Inmy humble of estimation that I didn't cover
the draft as much as I havein previous years, Ryan Sluan was my

(01:23:02):
favorite prep pitcher of the non Southballs. I think that Cam Kammanitti and
Cash Mayfield were a little bit better, and assuming William Schmidt was not available,
and William Schmidt was obviously not available, was pretty excited about seeing Ryan
Slump's Ryan Sloan selected at fifty five. Should I be excited about that selection?
You should? I think he waswi'ud you say, second, first,

(01:23:26):
second, third among high school righthanders. They guess, depending on
how you want it up, theywere all pretty close for me, right.
I think he was the hardest thrower. He definitely hit one hundred this
year, and he had the bestchange up I think of any of the
high school pitchers. And I dolove seeing that because that is often the
thing that's lacking with high schoolers becausethey just don't need it, or often
it's the old oh you're doing ahit or a favor by during him a

(01:23:47):
change up. He's got a reallygood one, though, one that I
think he's going to sustain him throughthe lower levels as he works on command
and control, finding a consistent breakingball for his third pitch. He's got
he's got arm strength, the biggestissue of all is typically true with high
school pictures, just keeping him healthy. But I look at this as they
got two legit first round talents,one home move a little faster since years

(01:24:11):
older, and slowan a guy thatthey can take their time with, And
it looks like those guys are goingto take up a lot of their bonus
pool because they have so far.What are they there? And they haven't
made their ninth round pick yet.Everybody except the fourth rounder has been other
than those first two guys has beena senior or a grad student. So
they're all money savers. Yeah,And I've talked a little bit about that
and how the allocated funds change howyou go about the draft so much.

(01:24:34):
And you're going to see players whoare going to be signing senior type deals.
Where are they only? And youcan't see me, but I'm putting
the air quotes up one hundred thousanddollars. But it sounds pretty nice to
me right now, but it's it'sdefinitely pittance compared to some of what these
other players will receive Chris Crawford andfor Ian Forness. Talking to Keith Long

(01:24:56):
to becon Plumbing Hotline. There wasjust a recent report, Keith, and
I want to get your thoughts onthis, the Mariners being considered the favorites
according to Bob Nightingale of USA Today, for Jazz Chisholm. And the question
here not so much. Is JazzChisholm someone who can help the Mariners,
because I don't think there's any questionabout that, But what type of prospect

(01:25:16):
capital And sometimes I don't love usingthat word. What do you think makes
sense in terms of how much you'dbe willing to give up a player for
a player like Jazz Chism. Yeah, I love watching Jazz Chisholm. I
am a fan of him as aplayer, sure, And I'm also a
realist, okay. And he's notthat good, right, He's a perfectly

(01:25:38):
fine, everyday player and that's aboutit. He is an average hitter who
plays somewhere up the middle. Foryou, it is not his fault that
the Marriagers have been scoring with hisposition basically since the moment he got to
the majors. I cut him someblack on that, but it's probably you
know, he's even this year wherehe's getting on base at a somewhat higher
clip for you know, better thanhis career average, but he's given back

(01:26:00):
a little bit of power. He'sa league average hit. It's the league
average hit somewhere up in the middle. That's a nice everyday player. I
am not giving up Holt, Emersonor fill In sell us In to get
jazz to them. Interesting, youknow, I think that you're trying to
trade more from your second and thirdtier of prospects, and hopefully the Marlins
where it's new leadership there, andI knowing some of those folks, so

(01:26:20):
I think they're perfectly aware of whatsort of player jazz Chism is, what
kind of value you should return ina trade. They may just be looking
more for some quantity. Also thattheir farm system is in pretty abysmal shape,
right, and so even just gettinggetting two second tier prospects, so
again you're not in the Emerson sellUston group. That may still be good

(01:26:41):
enough for the Marlins to do adeal like that, you know, depending
on what the rest of the marketis offering. But I think there are
a lot of teams that would justsay we're out because there are going to
be a lot of contenders. Theychism doesn't help us at one of the
positions we know he can play becausethere isn't quite enough back there. He's
more famous than good and I saythat with a little, you know,
a little in my heart. Sure, I do love the way he played

(01:27:01):
me too. Yeah, I'm youknow, I kind of broke my heart
thinking about jash chishm and Tim Andersonshould have been the swaggiest middle infield of
all time, but when he wasplague in the middle infield and one unfortunately,
skill set just completely fell apart.I have to ask you about the
reports that this guy is a clubhousecancer, which has been a specific term
used by some people. How muchshould the Seattle Mariners value that. I

(01:27:27):
can't help but think that this isan organization that isn't good enough to worry
about stuff like that. But atthe same time, it's definitely something that's
going to be on people's minds.Yeah, I have I'm very wary of
reports like that when they're not tiedto a lot of specific behaviors, but
I think that that exists. Thereis a play. There is such a
thing as a player who is badin the clubhouse. Is such a thing

(01:27:49):
as a player who's exceptionally good inthe clubhouse? Right? I find that
those things are often not well backedup by evidence. I you and I
have talked about this over the years. Right things, the negative things often
get stuck to players of color alot more than they get stuck to white
players. That is something to bearin mind. And you know, I

(01:28:09):
would also say that the other bigthing is how much does it matter.
He's not the reason even if heis bad in the clubhouse. I'm not
conceding actual they just don't know,right, But is he the reason that
in the Marlins are bad? No, the Marlins are just bad, and
they're going to trade him, andguess what, They're still going to be
bad. Is he going to cometo the Mariners and somehow make the Mariners
better with his play on the fieldand worse in the clubhouse. I really,

(01:28:30):
really doubt that. I have avery hard time buying that. And
I will say, if the Mariner'sknowing several people in the Mariner's front office,
they think he's really bad in theclubhouse, They're just not going to
trade him. I think that's thebiggest point of all of this is that
the Mariners are doing their their duediligence and they absolutely know what they are
going to get from him. Inthe clubhouse talking some more MLB Draft,

(01:28:53):
anybody stand out for your favorites.I got to tell you the Rockies.
I loved them being able to getcommed in with the third pick and some
other guys. I ragh am aBrody Brett fan. But outside of and
you can mention the Rockies if youwant. I'm not your boss. I
can't tell you what to do.But what are some other teams that you
really liked have so far? Whatthey've done so far? I think the
Redss just the fact that you know, the guy fell for them, getting

(01:29:15):
Bradon Montgomery's like fourth on my boardto get to get him at the twelfth
pick. I still haven't heard anyexplanation other than that, you know,
he broke his ankle and teams areworried is he going to come back?
It's okay. From that, whatI've heard is that the injury is not
supposed to be They're not supposed tobe any lasting effect from like the liganin
damage. This is not a payto say the name, but a Kyle
Lewis type situation, well, expectingto come back as a lesser player.

(01:29:36):
I know, too soon. Ithought that was probably of the first round.
That was kind of the best valuepick a lall. I really like
what the Reds have done. Iwould have taken Convent, but they did
take Chase Burns, who was thenumber one pitcher on my board. Came
back around with another four line firsttime talent, high school shorts up Memed
Tyson Lewis. I know a lotof Scots absolutely loved him. You got

(01:29:57):
a omaha. They took a twoflyers in the third and fourth rounds on
college players who had kind of offyears. Mike Sarota from Northeastern. People
were talking about him as a topten pick in the draft coming out of
the summer, and I saw him. He's stunk. He was really bad
when I saw him in the spring. You know what, It's just one
of those like we're going to bringyou in and just hit reset right if
you've got to. I think there'ssome swing stuff that needs he needs him

(01:30:19):
outside help, but a lot ofit may just be like it's over.
If you have draft itis, it'sall done. You're in your organization.
You're paid, let's go, andPeyton Stovall was their fourth round pick.
I think that guy can really hit. I think there's a medical he had
some injury trouble, especially last year, slow start this year. It's a
really good swing though. And thisis also a guy where everyone in high

(01:30:41):
school thought this guy would hit.When there's a long track record of people
believing in a guy's bat him showingit against good competition, I have a
little more confidence too. I don'tknow. Maybe Stoveveall doesn't end up sticking
at second base, maybe he hastroubles staying healthy, but I really believe
he's going to hit. Chris Crawfordin free in Fornatz, talking to Keith
law on the Beacon Plumbing Hotline.I want to ask you about one specific
prospect because Keith, you and Idon't disagree often, but we might kung

(01:31:04):
fu fight about this one. Yourabsolute hatred of lazarro Montes is the most
disappointing thing since you told me thatyou didn't like Up in the Air.
That's the most disappointed. Actually,Baby Driver, that was pretty bad too.
Like that you're disliking that my producerjust gave me the biggest shock and

(01:31:25):
off face of all time for yourhatred of that movie. But lazarro Montes
and I and I will be fair. Some of it I get, and
it has to do with build andsome other stuff. And you know what,
maybe I'm just stealing your point.Talk about your concerns with lazarro Montes,
and please please please say something niceso that I don't hate you.

(01:31:48):
It's the ball hard, that's areal thing. You definitely you can definitely
do that. So I think Montesde Montes was not on my off season
top hundred. He's my top fifty. Update for this is for all of
baseball that I did in May,and some folks asked, you know,
to point to the both the statline and in fact he's posting huge exit

(01:32:09):
velocity. Look, he's very big, and he's very strong, and he
is for nineteen, about as bigand strong as it gets. Right,
he was I think to a lotof to a pretty wide extent. He
was about strong in a lot ofhis opponents. Right, The nineteen year
olds don't typically look like that lowa. You don't see a lot of
hitters with that kind of size andstrength and power. I am worried about

(01:32:32):
what that body looks like long term, I think he's most likely to be
a DH in a long run.Mondesto is also a pretty good place to
hit, and we've seen him.He's nineteen and lowe, so he's young
for the level. But guess whyhe's starting to struggle now, right,
I think pitchers are taking advantage wherehe can't get away with as much just
because of this year strength. He'sstill going to hit some balls extremely hard.

(01:32:53):
He's going to you know, he'llfinish the season with Everett. It's
also not a bad place to hit. He's going to hit the ball pretty
hard, like I absolutely think he'sgoing to do that. I think he's
got that kind of power. Thehope is it's Jordan Elviros, right,
that is the one guy who lookslike this, built like this, and
who, by the way, didhave some real you know, he's a
major surgery on both knees, right, He's managed to stay healthy for a

(01:33:14):
long time since then. But that'sone of the real concerns I have with
players who are this big, thisyoung, is what is the effect that
that has on your lower body andwhat does that mean for your long term
durability? Also for a guy whoI know, Mantez plays the outfield now
like I don't think I think it'sfirst base. Yes, right, it's
first If it works out, itsfirst base. If it doesn't work out,
its need right. Well, Ihate you a little less, but

(01:33:41):
I don't know how to finish thatsentence. Keith, First of all,
thank you so much for joining us, and tell everyone where they can follow
your excellent work. So everything I'mwriting about the draft right now is on
the Athletics. So if you havean Athletics subscription or all access subscriptions from
New York Times, I will haverecaps of the drafts for all thirty teams.
It's some right others. I actuallyam right in the Mariners as we

(01:34:01):
speak, good going belief, justalphabetically that's what I was up to for
the American League. So those willgo off I think Wednesday and Thursday of
this week. I already have stuffup on what's happened in the draft so
far from day one. You canfollow me on Twitter. I won't call
it the other thing at Keith Law. And basically if there's a social media
site worth anything, I probably havean account on it and I post all
my LIGs there, you're the best, buddy. Thanks so much for joining

(01:34:24):
us my pleasure, take a break, get to your text and talk some
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