Furness Show 8-12: Hardcore Football, Molly Whop Monday, Olympics Was Fun.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Big show coming up today, humil in hardcore football. If
you've never heard hardcore football before, if you're new to
the station, new to the show Hardcore Football. We do
it with Hugh mill And every Monday during the football season.
I text him, but they say, hey, listen, I need
a little hardcore breakdown of basically McDonald defense, Grub offense.
I know it's one game. I know it's the preseason
and hardcore football a little different. You hear you on
the station a lot. It's a little bit different. It

(00:21):
truly is just that it's hardcore football x's and o's
as only Hugh can explain it. And I thought it
was really important today coming off the first preseason game,
our first chance to watch Mike McDonald's defense, our first
chance to watch a Ryan Grubb NFL offense. To get
Hugh on, so we'll spend some time with him. Coming
up at twelve twenty today, malliwap Monday, one o'clock, mallywap Monday,

(00:41):
Right to Buy, Simply Seattle, Simply Seattle dot com. Checking
with the boys coming up then and welsome free time.
In the two o'clock Howard hit on a bunch of things.
I got some Olympic thoughts, some other things going on
as well, so we'll hit all that coming up later on.
As always, you can text in four nine four or
five one tull him or do text line when it's
game time is Tully time, that is we uh, it
was toy time. So for some in a while, we
haven't I guess Friday, we didn't because we were at

(01:03):
the golf tournament. For some of a while, we haven't
started a show with a Seahawk guest right off the
get go, So big thanks to them. Just a quick
shout out, you know, traffic and driving and ease aside,
Just a quick shout out to my friends out the
Seahawk PR guys. Dave leads that group, but Jeff and
Rich and Chris and all their interns, the army of interns,

(01:24):
the army of interns they have there. Yes, big thanks also, yeah,
big thanks to them. We had a we had some
really fun shows and we appreciate the hospitality the last
couple of weeks. We're back in studio today and we'll
be here for the duration. Outside of a couple of
shows here, there are Snowclamba, Casino, some other places, but
big thanks to them, so a little bit different. The
uh we we we survived. We're all here, which is good.

(01:47):
We survived. Yesterday we did.

Speaker 2 (01:49):
I was with Softy alone. Okay, I survived. I would
say you had, Ashley, you had like the best win.

Speaker 1 (01:59):
I won one.

Speaker 3 (02:02):
Yeah, comedy, comedy, it was great.

Speaker 2 (02:05):
That's actually I think our three carts were the most interesting.

Speaker 1 (02:10):
Yes, we had a great time. We were for We
mentioned this. We we do an annual golf event with
as many of the staff members as can make it.
Not everybody plays golf, so some Jackson and Chuck kind
of showed up and had some cocktails and some appetizers
with us beforehand. But shout out big thanks to Softie.
He he hosts us out of his country club, Meridian
Valley country Club.

Speaker 4 (02:30):
It was really nice.

Speaker 1 (02:32):
Can we tell Well, I'll wait till Cross talk to
Jackson story. I guess I.

Speaker 4 (02:38):
Did not even know already seated.

Speaker 1 (02:43):
He's probably driving in. I don't want to get on.
He's gonna start, as we all mad, but I gotta
tell the story.

Speaker 4 (02:48):
It just they start every week.

Speaker 2 (02:49):
Man.

Speaker 1 (02:50):
Yeah, good point. I'll bring it up with Softie later
on crosstalk, because it was there's just a classic Jackson
felt story. I love you Jackson, if you're driving in
I do love you. But but the but the frustration
and anger you showed for something that frankly you shouldn't
have shown frustration or anger for is somewhat comical. But
we had a good time. We played some golf, we

(03:11):
had We had a whole bunch of laughs. We had
a good time. I had some Yeah, it was. It
was a but it was. It was a ton of
fun being out with everybody kind of in a non
work setting. So thanks to Softy and we all survived. Yeah,
Like Jess was driving around with Softy. Did we post
a picture of her smoking the cigar?

Speaker 2 (03:28):
I think it was like on our Instagram story.

Speaker 4 (03:32):
I had it in mine too.

Speaker 1 (03:33):
Was a whole vibe yesterday, just what I like.

Speaker 3 (03:36):
People.

Speaker 4 (03:37):
I'm sorry I.

Speaker 1 (03:38):
Got yourself a free golf lesson I saw too.

Speaker 2 (03:41):
Yeah, I was just like, no, I'm not coughing. I'm
bad at it because I get frustrated very easily because
I'm a hand to bawl sport or just run like
that's that's what I do, and like I need contact
with something so an extension of my body. Except for
beer League supple. It's just like not super comfortable. And
then yeah, this wonderful guy came up to me and

(04:03):
just started teaching me, okay, if you're going to use
this club, and then they gave me for golf clubs too.

Speaker 1 (04:09):
Wait you walked away with free golf clubs.

Speaker 2 (04:11):
No no, no, no, no no, just like play with no no, no,
they used them. I did a couple of times on
the like the little practice fields.

Speaker 1 (04:20):
Okay, all right, the practice fields.

Speaker 4 (04:22):
I don't know what do they call it?

Speaker 3 (04:25):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (04:26):
Those okay, the practice fields. I don't go.

Speaker 1 (04:33):
I know, Jackson, I know, I know.

Speaker 4 (04:36):
I did not get criticized for my attire.

Speaker 1 (04:38):
No, you did not, you did not, you did not.

Speaker 4 (04:42):
I were my fancies with us.

Speaker 1 (04:45):
We played with Ryan and Jay, two good dudes.

Speaker 2 (04:47):
He is the one that gave me a cigar and
he offered it to me three times, and my godfather
taught me on the third time, if you say yes.

Speaker 4 (04:54):
And then also, but the other.

Speaker 1 (04:56):
Thing, Nancy Reagan said, just say no. You have you said,
just say yes. It's a cigar all right? Anyway, So
I uh, how was had you have.

Speaker 3 (05:07):
To finish it?

Speaker 1 (05:07):
Though? Yeah? And you did good job, by the way,
how was, how was How were eighteen holes with the captain?

Speaker 5 (05:14):
Oh jeez, I love myself some Mike Ben and he's
the best. We had our little, uh kind of competition
between us, and then we added rich on to the
back half there and did you.

Speaker 1 (05:23):
Have a full breakdown of the all fifty players under
contract for the Kraken and where they rank in the system.

Speaker 5 (05:30):
Didn't talk a lot of hockey, to be honest, he was.
He was into the golf. He's a good golfer too,
all right. Yeah, I had a good time with him.
He was pretty surprised at how much I golfed, so
we kind of had some fun with that.

Speaker 1 (05:41):
I loved it and had Andrews was he was the
first guy to tee off with a full gallery. All
the pressure in the world stepped up, A little slice
to the left, sor right, but hit it well, hit far,
that's good, that's perfect, and left there is better than
right because of the driving range. I found out I
should have been using a green ball on the tea,
but that's that's okay. But yeah, I know we had

(06:02):
a great time. I really big thanks, and it's fun
to get out with everybody who's been kind of a
long few months with off seasons harder. You know, we've
got a lot of change here at the station, so
it was kind of good to go share some laughs
and so yeah, good times for us this weekend. And
the only downside was is we didn't get to watch
the American game, Yeah, because we teed off at three thirty.

Speaker 5 (06:20):
But your follow that's that, Okay, that's the thing that
Mike was updating us on every single time came up.

Speaker 1 (06:25):
Oh yeah, who struck out again? The polo ground out
four three?

Speaker 2 (06:30):
I was like, do you have the mics up in
your talking exactly?

Speaker 1 (06:35):
Was that like with with Benton doing that? Was that
like softy tweeting during a Husky game? Basically full play
by play? Curtis says the same thing for Seahawks, by
the way, like, guys, we don't need to play by play.

Speaker 5 (06:48):
Anybody's following your Twitter about your what you're watching.

Speaker 1 (06:51):
We want your comments and your opinions. They don't need
they don't need to know that. You know, Uh, someone
just gained three yards on a second down play. Oh
my gosh, well what a day it was. We'll talk
about the moulliwop guys. Just a quick thought, I kind
of want to bang my head against the wall. Throw
from this. No, just from the standpoint, this is where
Major Big Baseball just doesn't get it. And I think

(07:13):
it also caused something stupid to happen yesterday too, because
being on major on national TV on Sunday Night Baseball
is because it's twenty years removed from the last time,
and it is a big deal. And listen Apple TV. Yah, sure,
you're sort of national. Fox does games every Saturday. Those
are regional guys. Those aren't true national games. It's like

(07:33):
watching it's like the NFL cuts up the country, right,
That's what that is. Sunday Night Baseball is kind of
is the real national outside of playoffs. Yeah, so it's
a big deal. Well, first of all, shame on Major
League Baseball for not having on this team on earlier.
They've got this pitching staff. That doesn't matter which of
the five guys, but certainly the top three are are.

(07:54):
If you're a baseball fan, put them on like Showcase, Castillo, Showcase,
Gilbert show Case, Showcase, Kirby hell Woo Miller, it doesn't matter.
I think it also kind of put it put them
in a situation where and we'll talk about this with
the MLIWAP guys, like what the hell did do with Julio? Like, like,
I maybe I'm the dummy here, Okay, sorry.

Speaker 4 (08:18):
Anything.

Speaker 1 (08:22):
Anything, you've been out for three weeks. I thought a
one of the weirder things. And again, maybe it's it's protocol,
but to see a guy that was later diagnosed with
a high ankle sprain walk off the field to the clubhouse,
and probably from where he walked to where he had
to go, it was a good six hundred feet. Didn't
think that made any sense when I was at the game.

(08:42):
In fact, I thought, wow, it must be nothing bad.
I no know, it's a high ankle sprain. You don't
do that. But then equally curious, I guess, why rush
him back and not have a weast a game or
two in the minors, try to see some live pitching
and then results five k's. I hopefully it's something he flushes, right,
It's not like he was tearing up the world like,

(09:04):
It's not like offensively he's been great this season. So
I just didn't I thought that was kind of goofy.
I understand why, because Sunday Night baseball is a really
big deal and baseball needs to do a better job
of showing teams like Pittsburgh, like Seattle, like Kansas City
that all have young stars on their team that aren't
New York or Boston. They need to do a better
job of showing those teams grow the game. You cannot

(09:26):
grow the game with three or four markets that frankly,
the rest of the country despises. They've learned this in
Canada with Toronto with the maple Leafs, like they've learned
that up there. Everyone hates them except for Toronto, right
and so like in the States, nobody likes the Yankees
unless you're a Yankees fan leaning to the players, not
the teams. Yes, it's baseball just does a horrible job

(09:50):
of showcasing the great young talent in the league. And
there is some. And I think it costed Seattle to
kind of rush who weel back. That's the only downside
outside that was great and the fact that they absolutely
kicked the snot out of New York is that's awesome.
All right, Let's get to some Seahawks football, humil and
hardcore football. What's hardcore football? We're back for another year
with it. Will explain it's a little different than the
rest of the stuff you hear on the station with
you that's coming up next.

Speaker 6 (10:14):
Your home for the twelfth Man in the NFL proudly
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Now here's you with the inf nes on Sports Radio
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Speaker 1 (10:34):
Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls. It's kind of like
a just a you go to home, you put on
those those old beat up sweats and just kind of
settle in and get comfortable. They feel and they're more comfortable.
That's how my football season is. With the guests that
we have on this show. One of them's on with
us right now. We'll get to Hugh in a second.
But I always football season here. I've been doing this.

Speaker 3 (10:56):
For a long time.

Speaker 1 (10:57):
Got here in two thousand and six, and really since
two thousand and seven or so, have had you know,
the same guys on pretty much every year, and there's
just a comfort level. I know what to expect, I
know the great insight, and you know, there's a lot
of people out there that we could put on the air,
and a lot of people have different expertise, or they
think they have expertise. But at the top of the

(11:18):
list for me is my guy. Hugh Millen played for
the Rams, the Falcons, the Patriots, the Broncos. Of course
a great career at Washington as well, at once the
highest paid player for the New England Patriots. Some guy
named Brady might be that guy now. But before Hutter's
Tom Brady, before there was Drew Bled, So there was
Hugh Millan, and he joined us right now for the
first segment of the Year of Hardcore Football. The former

(11:40):
quarterback with us right now. My friend, how are you?

Speaker 3 (11:43):
Yeah, I'm doing great, Ian, thanks for the nice words.
I as you read that list, I'm reminded that I
would wear out my welcome which usually within two years,
occasionally three. But yeah, I wasn't long for anybody.

Speaker 1 (11:56):
Well, you and I have been doing us for a
long time. My friend, you have one. You're out, You're
welcome here, so I appreciate you coming back.

Speaker 3 (12:01):
Yeah, you know, I played with ninety three Pro Bowl
players and six Hall of Famers, and when Shanahan Mike
Channan makes the Hall of FAMLB seven, so I was,
you know, just nondescript, but just paying attention around all
that greatness you try and pick up something.

Speaker 1 (12:16):
I want to get into just the general because it's preseason.
I counted, I mean, depending on who you want to
count as a starter for Seattle, there was about anywhere
between ten and twelve starters who didn't play on Sunday
or Saturday. But we still I want to get into
just the nuances of offense and defense McDonald defense, grub

(12:37):
offense in the NFL after Washington in a second, and
before I do that. If people are new to this,
and again we have, We've had the same guests on
for a long time during football season. I think just
getting the feedback I get from people on the text
line and just running into people, they really kind of
enjoy it. There's a comfort level to hearing the same
familiar voices all the time. Hughes one of those, of
course our man, great co Sell and others. But but

(13:00):
hardcore football is a little different segment than maybe you
do on the other shows on the station, and different
than what we do with some of the other segments
with football. For for those who are new hardcore football,
Hue every Monday is what, well.

Speaker 3 (13:13):
What we do is we try and explain some of
the aspects. In a sense, it's taking you into the
tape room, like how are these guys being taught? You know,
what were what were the details that may have led
to the success or the failure of any one play
or any any one a series or game, And and

(13:34):
just just kind of you not not afraid to use
maybe some terminology that that is common to the game
from football football coaches and players perspective. And we'll dip
our toe in that. On the other shows, I don't
want to say we never get a touch hardcore, but
on this show where we don't, we don't run from it.
If if it if it needs to be explained. Now

(13:55):
I do envy like the baseball guys, and we got
some phenomenal baseball guys. But because in your mind's eye,
if you analyze baseball, if I say, okay, that you
know it's a fastball up and the end and that's
set up the slider away and the center fielder was
shaded to the left, like all the things that you
describe in your mind's eye as a as a radio listener,
you can you can put that right on the back

(14:16):
of your eye lids. It's most difficult, in my opinion,
in football up to try and say, okay, can I
can we somehow paint this picture? But in any event,
that's that's the goal, and if we can occasionally succeed
then then then good for everybody.

Speaker 1 (14:32):
Well, let's let's start right now. Yeah, this is our
first hardcore segment of the year the regular season. It
gets a lot more in depth with certain plays, specific
plays that we can kind of illustrate and we you
may do that today, but let me just start with this.
It's the Mike McDonald defense. Our first chance to watch
the Mike McDonald defense. Not in Baltimore, not with the

(14:52):
Michigan Wolverines, but with the Seattle Seahawks and a couple guys.
Draymond Jones was out, Jerome Baker was out. But by
the law ar we saw a good chunk. Most of
the guys I mentioned that didn't play for Seattle were
on the offensive side that would be starters. But what
jumped out at you? What were the nuances? And I
guess maybe I'll be in preface by saying, let's start
with the front. You know, like we feel like Pete

(15:13):
Carroll went from you know, a lot of different fronts
the last couple of years, even in season. But let's
ma me start there. What were the things that you
jumped out and you saw with the Seahawks defense with
Mike McDonald in terms of schematics and how he had
things set up.

Speaker 3 (15:26):
Well, I was particularly keen on the first six plays, right,
because that's when they had their starters minus their will
linebacker and Tyrese Knight, the rookie started there. But what
you saw was of the six plays, first of all,
were they playing a three four in those plays? Well,

(15:46):
three of the six they did. And that's when you
have when I talk about three four, there's a three
four front and then there's three four personnel and as
the season goes along, those intier defensive lineman, uh if
they start off into three four, you know, the first
play of the game. For example, one guy that seems

(16:07):
like we never talk about is Jonathan Hankins. Yeah, the
undrafted or the free agent from you know, he's bounced
around the league and what have you. But at three
hundred and thirty pounds he fits the bill. And so
when you have Jaron Reid and Leonard Williams flanking him, well,
you know, the math just starts to to formulate because
then now you've got two outside linebackers in Nuoso and

(16:31):
boy Mafe, right, and so that's that's only gonna leave
two stand up linebackers. And those are off the ball
Tyrrel Dotson and and and in the case of last night,
we are Saturday night. Rather we have tires Knight and
that leads your fore So so when when you pull
that Jonathan Hankins and you play with just two defensive linemen,

(16:55):
now you can get another linebacker, or you can get
you can play nickel, you know, bring in already Burns
and you slide already Burns into the nickel spot and
and and uh or and in some situations, or you
can have Trey Brown the corner and you draw slide

(17:16):
Witherspoon inside. Like there's there's different things that they've done,
uh to create the nickel. So we saw we saw
as I said, half of their snaps were were from
a three four and that tends to be more in
in first and second down, you tend to get more
of a what we call forty front and four man front. Uh,

(17:37):
and that would involve two defensive linemen for example, just
just keeping it simple. If you had Leonard Williams and
Jen Reid stay on the field and then you still
had Nuosu and boy Mafe as the the outside edges,
well that's just four man rush and then you can
play the standard seven man coverage behind it. But but

(18:00):
one thing that was conspicuous about the front is that
they played with the middlefield what what uh uh uh?
In an NFL playbook, you'll see m O f C
or m O f O and middle of field open,
middle field closed, and a middle of field closed is
is that means there's a safety in the middle of
the field and and from that you play either a

(18:21):
mand a man or you play a Cover three, which
is three deep and four under. And in the past
I've liken that to a kind of a baseball uh
uh defense minus the pitcher and the catcher. If they
the infield has four and the outfield has three, that's
kind of what cover three is. And so they played
a couple of snaps there, but more mando man And

(18:43):
that'll be interesting from my perspective to to just watch
when when when you go back to our hardcore football
from uh from the Monday after the Ravens game, when
Seattle and when we had no idea Mike McDonald would
be the Sea ok head coach. You know, I was
raving about how how well they played zone defense. And

(19:05):
I even went back and listened to the podcast a
couple of days ago just to remind us because I
remember what I had said, but I just wanted to
hear it again and and and just you know, the
idea that man de man is is kind of just
hey do you have the dudes? But zone defenses is
how are you gonna pass communication?

Speaker 1 (19:24):
That's communication, isn't it. That's the communication that mc donald
talks about all the time when you're playing zone.

Speaker 7 (19:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (19:28):
And I would say just to let's just highlight one
play from Saturday that that impressed me. The second series,
So now the starters are still in because remember they
only played two series and they went three and out.
The first down of the second series, you had East
and Stick run a naked bootleg out to the.

Speaker 1 (19:50):
Run for those no know that's the quarterback for the
Chargers because Herbert was out.

Speaker 3 (19:53):
Yes, yeah, so he's gonna as a right handed quarterback,
They're gonna fake the run to the left to the
Chargers left side and then the right ended quarterbacks going
to come out. Well, you had Julian Love, who's coming
from depth, and he played down in what we call
a sky position. Sky is is with the strong safety
in the flat. If he had come down inside and

(20:15):
to the inside linebacker, we call that a buzz position,
and so that he replaces the linebacker. And so so
Julian Love comes down into a sky position. And a
lot of times coming from depth, your eyes can get
you'll see safeties make a mistake and they'll go with
the run and they're not really in a position to
immediately impact the defense of the boot play. But Julian

(20:38):
Love was just it was as if he had been
in the Charger huddle. He just sniffs out the flat
because in a bootleg, a quarterback is every playbook, it's
always the first readies guy in the flat and then
the second reaches across or Okay, so they had a
cross they had a crossing route, and now that's either
a tight end or a receiver from the backside the

(20:59):
opposite said side. In this case the Chargers, they reduced
the split, meaning the wide receiver what we call the
X the split in he reduces his split and he
runs an intermediate cross, not a shallow cross, not a deep,
but intermediate about twelve yards. A lot of people call
that an over route. And what you saw from Witherspoon

(21:22):
to that side to the right side is witherspoon he
made a zone turn, so he's backpedaling. A man turn
is when you turn your butt to the middle of
the field. A zone turn is when you turn your
butt to the sideline. So he makes his zone turn.
So his peripheral vision, he's feeling what is around him.
He senses, okay, the quarterback has got a boot and

(21:45):
the deep the deep influencer in the past concept from
the charger perspective was the tight end on a deep
corner route. So he is in a half turn. As
I said, zone turn, I'm using those terms interchangeably, and
he deterring the quarterback from taking the deep route. But
he's also kind of hanging in a no man's land

(22:08):
where you feel, as a quarterback like he might be
able to make a play on the over So the
over route again that that intermediate crossing coming from the backside,
stick is a little bit late on that, and then
that allows the speed of Tarique Woolan, who had lined
up slightly outside, because what what you want to do

(22:29):
is you have landmarks as a corner, and you say, okay,
often called the divider, what's my divider? If the if
the split in lines up close enough to the ball,
I got to stay wide to him if he if
he stays, my alignment is to the outside of that receiver.
If the receiver has a wide split, a plus split

(22:51):
really close to the sideline, then you want to line
up inside of them. So what the charges do they
reduce their split on uh and and so now you
have Treaque Woolen. He's playing as divider rules. He is
to the outside outside leverage. So then when that crosser
runs to the intermediate, Woolen is in essence, we've been

(23:13):
watching the Olympics here. It's like it's like a relay
race and you get the baton uh late, like you
got some ground to make up. Meaning Tariq wol in essence,
his mind is going, well, I gotta be outside of
him because I gotta work to play the outside. I
don't have any help to the outside. But oh crap,
he's going on a cross I better get on my

(23:34):
horse and chase him as fast as I can. Right
I'm simplifying what his thought process would have been. But
I'm behind because I lined up outside. Why I better
really go well, as I said, on the opposite side,
here Witherspoon in his own turn, he's he's kind of mid,
playing the deep and the and the intermediate. Julian Love

(23:55):
had already taken away the shallow, so they're trying to flood.
A flood is when you have deep, intermediate, and short,
and there's a lot of ways to do it. But
but on this case, this is a flood with the
naked and you had just perfect space. If you just
stop the tape and you say, where would you want
to be? You know, to that side of the field,

(24:15):
Love and Witherspoon, they're exactly the spacing you'd want. And
you got Tarik Wohllen with all that skill set chasing
the play, and he ends up for the reasons I'm
describing getting a hand on the ball. Looked like he
had a chance to get a pick.

Speaker 1 (24:28):
Which which you that I mean game one, all that
you're describing Game one, I'm thinking to myself, Damn, that's
that's a hell of a start. Just in terms of
the cerebral part of the game, right, like they like
they loved and part of me always saying is like
love Witherspoon. Guys like that they have the football sense right,
but they've still it's a new system. Let me ask

(24:49):
you just this about that defense.

Speaker 3 (24:51):
By the way, if we're learning football terms, the terms
that everybody uses, you could walk into any coaching clinic
and say the following word and everybody knows what you're talking.
Come about. Uh, the defense is yelling out nasty, nasty, nasty.
That's nasty. Is is a ubiquitous universal term where when
the split in he lines up weak every because nasty,

(25:13):
primarily because he's in a position where he could crack
the defensive end on a running play. Okay, But it's
also an awareness of what I've been describing. Okay, the
split in meaning the number one receiver will we count
outside in from the sideline in the number one receiver
is really close to that offensive tackle, Well, it's it's nasty.
Is is an alert for watch the crack, but it's

(25:33):
also an alert for what I've described, like, hey, watch
the shall across.

Speaker 1 (25:37):
Okay, and that was DJ Shark right, that was on
that play. I think, what what's the new? What are
the differences, because as you described the defensive front, the
first thing I thought of was, well, didn't they kind
of have a similar defensive front last season with two
or three defensive lineman and then two guys that were
you know, outside linebackers Nuosu Mafe. Think of those two guys,

(25:59):
Taylor if he's healthy, et cetera. So what were the
what were the differences that you noticed between Pete Carroll
defense and Mike McDonald defense.

Speaker 3 (26:08):
You know, there's there's a lot of people believe there's
only four or five fronts in football.

Speaker 1 (26:11):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (26:11):
You know at big Time, let you got over where
everybody's shifted to the strong side and under everybody's shifted
to the weak side. You've got an even where where
the inside uh, defensive tackles are both on on top
of the guards. You got a a a bear defense
where both the guards and the center are covered. And
then you've got an odd defense where you'd have what

(26:32):
we call bubbles on the guards where there's nobody on them. Okay,
and and the defensive tackles are in a headache on
the tackle, which would be called a four technique or
inside shade four eye technique for inside. So you're not
gonna see Mike McDonald inventing new you know, I'm sitting there, okay,
over front, underfront. What what you're gonna see from McDonald

(26:53):
and we didn't see much of that on Saturday, is
that McDonald does far more disguising of his coverage. Is okay,
So they're gonna start from a too high two ice
structure safety split and then a guy will come down. Now,
VIC fan Jay has been doing that, so I don't
want to say like McDonald's the only guy that's doing that.

(27:15):
What McDonald is truly rare at is that there is
a lot of window dressing at the line of scrimmage
with potential blitzes. You're gonna see linebackers up in gaps
and you say, well, why doesn't every what's the benefit.
The benefit is you get the offense thinking more than
they want to think, quarterbacks worried about Hey, who's blitzing?

(27:37):
Who's blitzing? Oh wait a minute, there's six seven guys
at the line of scrimmage. Holy hell, who's coming right?
You say, well, that sounds really problematic for a quarterback.
It is because the average last year all passes all
teams in the entire twenty twenty three, the average pass
got off in two point four to three seconds. Every

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single team in the NFL, every single pass two point
fourth second. So if you can get a quarterback to
think an extra third half of a second, three quarters
of a second, you're putting yourself ahead of the eight ball, right,
And so McDonald really will do that more than other coaches.
You say, well, what's the downside? Why don't thirty one

(28:18):
other teams do that? The downside is that if you're
out of position when the ball snapped, if you're not like,
let's say you have the hook zone, which ideally, say,
okay for me to complete. Hook zone is the shallow
zone in the middlefield around the hash marks. Okay, not
the wide zones closer to the flat, but just in

(28:39):
the middle of the field. Shallow, not deep, shallow middlefield.
So if you have a guy in the hook zone,
and ideally, depending on down and distance, you'd want him
lined up at about five yards because then he can
get his drop into his area, he can turn his
hips faster, and then he can get lateral. So this
would be the argument, I don't want to have my
guys up at the line of scrimmage. I want them
closer to where their assignment it's gonna be, so they

(29:01):
can get closer to doing their job. That would be
the argument against Mike McDonald's. Mike mcdonald' says, I understand that,
but I but the benefit that I'm getting by creating
mayhem and confusion is worth it to me to be
out of position for a half a second or even

(29:22):
a three quarter of the second at the beginning of
the play. I'm willing to take that risk. I will
now there's no there's no defense that will will be
perfect on every and stop everything right. The Ravens by
the to note where number one in the NFL in
fewest points allowed, number one in sacks with Jadavian Clowney

(29:43):
and Kyle van Nook Clowney it only had two sacks
opposite Miles Garrett. The year before Van Nout was a
journeyman and and they were also number one and turnover.
So this is this is the model. But understand how
he differs. So you're gonna see a lot of confusion
at the line, a lot of fake blitzing, backing out
and and and in their blitz package where Fangio doesn't

(30:05):
really like the blitz. He likes to disguise coverages, but
he doesn't like the blitz. Mike McDonald he wants to
disguise coverages like Fangio, but he also wants to have
a a instead of a vanilla approach at the line
of scrimmage. He wants to be complex at the lion
of scrimmage. For example, his his blitzers, they will they
will pick. So so if you imagine, look, let's just

(30:28):
take Tyrell Dotson, he looks like he's blitzing. He doesn't
have the intent of getting the quarterback. He's gonna go
and just ear hold the offensive guard and allow a
twist in behind it. So he's gonna create a pick
right there at the lion scrimmage. So there's a lot
of that going on there. They're very well disguised in
their blitzes off the edges and uh the slot blitzes

(30:53):
and what have you. So so a lot of a
lot of nickel guys. They they telegraph, you can tell
the safety kind of backs up and and you look,
and you go, I haven't snapped the ball yet, but
I know you're coming right with With McDonald and and
the nuance of how he teaches it. It looks like, oh,
they're not common The safety's way in the middle of
the field. How could he's not in a position to

(31:13):
back up? Backup means if if I've got Jackson Smith
and Jigba on my right, let's let's say it's Seahawks
and Seahawks and and I'm Geno Smith uh and and
Jackson Smith and Jigbas in the slot to my right,
and and Witherspoon is on top of him. I'm looking.
I'm saying, well, is Witherspoon and potential Blitzer to me?
Because if he is, I'll just throw it to Jackson

(31:34):
Smith and Jigba. Well, one indicator I would get would
be with uh, maybe Julian Love coming from the middle
of the field backing up, getting right behind Witherspoon in
a position to cover Jackson Smith and Jigba. What mcdonald'll
do is he'll say, look, I know that if we
don't show that backup and the quarterback reads it, I'm

(31:57):
well that we're kind of we're kind of because we're
momentarily out of position. But I want to disguise it
better than everybody else, and I'm willing to be momentarily
out of position. And by the way, you know in
the AFC Championship game, I mentioned all their statistics. In
the AFC Championship game, the Chiefs and the Ravens, the

(32:19):
final score is seventeen to ten. The Chiefs scored seventeen
points in the first half and then we're shut out
in the second.

Speaker 1 (32:25):
Exactly. I can't wait to talk about this defense all year.
We're not gonna have time for the offense today. We
got to take a break. But you know what we'll
do offense, hardcore offense next Monday. How's that rock and roll?
I love you great, but disguising and communication a big key.
And what Mike McDonald's doing, give you guys something to
watch this weekend when they go to Tennessee. If they
all survive all the fifty thousand fights are gonna have

(32:47):
in them joint practices will grace Sufhugh appreciate it. Looking
for another great year as well. That's you, Mail and
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Speaker 1 (33:19):
Urdcore football is Humil and we appreciate him popping on.
We'll do the offense next week and then during the season.
What we do is with hardcore football, we go through
and basically, you know, a couple series here and there,
key plays and why they happened, how they happen hardcore
wise with Hugh Millen and I.

Speaker 4 (33:36):
Think more we should podcast that again in full.

Speaker 1 (33:39):
Yeah, go along right now. Because it's the constraints of
a commercial radio station of having to take these commercials
sometimes cuts us off. But yeah, because I want to
talk offense. We didn't have time today, but we will
next week with the Ryan Grubb offense. It's a preseason game.
I think what I got out of watching it and
then listening to Hughes should talk about the disguising and

(34:01):
what they're doing, you know, at the line of scrimmage.
Mike McDonald's been very consistent throughout training camp talking about, Hey,
we need to go out and we need to communicate better.
We need to do this, and it's the terms community.
The term communication has been used so often for that defense.
But as huge describing it, I think if you've got
nothing else out of that, hopefully what you got out
of it is that this defense is different in the

(34:25):
sense that you have got to all eleven guys have
to be one hundred percent on the same page. The
communication has to be absolutely dialed in perfect and if
it is, then all of a sudden, you have a
defense that looks like Baltimore's last year. And as he mentioned,
I mean, Jadavian Clowney became a player again last season.

(34:45):
He was nothing before that. And yes, Seahawk fans, you
know that he was nothing before that. You know, Colin
Anoy was kind of a journeyman and became a dude.
You know, Kyle Hamilton became an All Pro like a
lot of guys just kind of jumped off the page
last season. With Mike McDonald coaching, matters, man, it matters
so much in this sport and all that.

Speaker 3 (35:06):
Yes, I know.

Speaker 2 (35:06):
One of the things I was going to bring up is, though,
is what people would view as a walkthrough. They called
him act, you know, but alignment is communication and technique
niqueah and that was the focus, and he just brought
it down to the basic level. But if you build
on that foundation, that creates I mean, and that's not
just defense, it's offense as well.

Speaker 1 (35:27):
But and you're talking about the walkthrough as we talked
about with your training camp, and the first time they
did it that we saw it during a two that out.
I think that practice was two hours and fifteen minutes.
The players all yeah, the players all come out and
they're wearing like T shirts, yeah, with their numbers on it,
no names, just T shirts with their numbers on it.
And guys were It was very casual. It was like
shorts and guys were in baseball hats, bucket hats. Guy said,

(35:50):
watches on whatever. I mean, it was just it was focus.

Speaker 3 (35:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (35:53):
But watching that, we're like, wow, this is great. And
then they did it for the fans. I believe it
was on the last day of camp, right we were
out there, or the second to last day with fans
out there, they did the same They did the same thing,
and it was it was unique because we had not
seen I had I mean, I covered home ground training camps,

(36:13):
the Mora Horror Show training camp. I'll take a shot
since he took a shot at me in draft weekend. Oh, no,
but it was. But the you know home grind Mora
and then Pete and now this one. There's four different
coaches they've run. But I've never seen that. But I
think what he was doing is we saw the proof
of that. I mean that, listen, it's the preseasons. Easton

(36:35):
Sticks the quarterback. I get we all understand that punt, punt, punt, interception,
punt punt, field goal, punt, punt, punt downs downs that
were Those were the drives for the LA Chargers. They
were basic as well. They're playing, but they played four
their five starting offensive linemen that would be you know,

(36:56):
first Seattle. Seattle frankly played three starting offense alignment because
Connor William's gonna be starting offensive is to be your center,
and Lucas and or Fant were not in that game,
so you have to take everything with that kind of
said that grain of salt. But the communication he described
that bootleg there by stick as he rolls out to

(37:18):
his right. I remember watching they had great low angle
replay of it and you can kind of see like
there was nothing there. Nuos who's staying home the pursuit
they gave. I'm excited. We talked to Draymond Jones about
this the very first day of camp, and it resonated
with me even watching Saturday, and I because I asked
him the question, why didn't it work? You guys have players,

(37:38):
You've got guys nuos who going out hurt them tremendously.
I get that. But that secondary, plus last year they
had Brooks and Bobby and that front, they had some
guys Hankins might be an under the radar, really really
big addition for this football team. It matters man and
but Hankins, that big body in the middle, Jared reyed

(38:00):
don't have to play nos anymore that could have that
might be quietly, just very quietly. I really good. And
we even talked about the rookie. I mean, did you
notice Byron Murphy the answers yes, on he was fun
to watch.

Speaker 2 (38:13):
Okay Man who was the defensive player last week that
said he will be he could be the rookie of
the year.

Speaker 4 (38:19):
He will be.

Speaker 1 (38:19):
Who was Jared Well, I mean to us maybe no, No.

Speaker 4 (38:23):
It was at the podium anyway, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (38:25):
I just like I can see that. Okay, we got
to take a break, we got to come back. Malliwat Monday,
on a Monday of all things. Who knew? Nathan and Chris?
Are we in a good mood this week? We should
be right? I mean they just swept, they won. They
went four and two this week? Right, good, good week.
We talk about it all the time. Go four and
to every week exactly, doesn't matter how you get there.
Just go four and two every week. We'll talk to

(38:47):
the boys. Malliwap Monday next.

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I don't know why was such a big deal. I
guess if it doesn't happen in twenty years, it's become
a big deal. Everything's on TV now, everything's nationally on TV.

(40:50):
But it was a big deal yesterday, especially with an
absolute whipping of the New York Mets out of town
in the midst of a sweep. Came after not such
a great start to the week, so kind of mixed results,
mixed bag. But let's go ahead and get the boys
in and we'll get our opening thoughts before we go
through everything else, Nathan Bishop, Christopher Crawford. But Nathan, go ahead,

(41:10):
fire away the week that was well.

Speaker 7 (41:13):
Thank you. You know, I could say so many different things.
I feel like this past week, like you just said, Ian,
was a mix of up and downs, But I really
just want to focus on the weekend. And try to
be a little bit more positive this week. It's the
freshest thing that happened anyway. The Marriner has played about
his outstanding of a weekend of baseball as they have

(41:33):
played all year.

Speaker 3 (41:35):
And I think that.

Speaker 7 (41:36):
When they do that, and when it culminates on, like
you said, their first ESPN Sunday night game in two
decades where they just absolutely trademark Mollywop the New York
Mets out of town, I think it's a good day
to just kind of be grateful for that. I tweeted
earlier today that there's been so many times, not just
this team this year, but this organization has had these

(41:58):
huge weekends series where they can really kind of capture
fan enthusiasm and energy, and they've fallen short and they've
not played well and they've squandered leads or they've not
gotten guys in from third with nobody out, and it's
just kind of taking the air out of the balloon.

Speaker 3 (42:16):
And at this point in.

Speaker 7 (42:17):
The schedule with football season getting going, I know, Ian,
you've been out of Seahawks practice the last two and
a half weeks. That's just what the calendar around here
is starting to do now. We're just naturally gravitating towards football.
I'm just really grateful that they had this past weekend.
I'm grateful that they won, obviously, I'm grateful that so
many fans got to experience that. I'm so happy that
yesterday was kind of just like a party, a nationally

(42:39):
televised party for everybody to get to enjoy. Cal Rawley
just absolutely spanking the Mets around the ballpark.

Speaker 3 (42:45):
And I have a lot of.

Speaker 7 (42:47):
Issues with his organization, which isn't going to surprise anybody.
I have a lot of issues and doubts about this
particular Marinerds team as far as their quality is concerned.
But one way or another, it is August twelfth and
we're in a virtual tie for first place, and it
really doesn't matter how good of a team I think
they are at this point. We have spent I mean
I I think I was in college, which is a

(43:07):
long long time ago, the last time we got a
true Pennant race here in Seattle. And as much as
I could be angry and frustrated with things, and as
much as they sure deserve to get swept by the
Detroit Tigers not three days ago, we're right here in it.
So I think it's a good day to just kind
of be focused on what's ahead and the opportunity that
this organization has, and to be really happy for the

(43:29):
fans that they got to have this past weekend, because
I thought it was just an awesome, awesome three days
for the Marriagers.

Speaker 1 (43:34):
Mister Mile, why.

Speaker 8 (43:35):
Yeah, you know, I was just happened to look at
the last time they played Sunday night baseball, by the way,
and you know, everybody's made a big deal about it's
been twenty years. That next weekend, here's how long it
wants ago, they swept the Montreal Expos. That next weekend,
they swept the Montreal Expos.

Speaker 9 (43:52):
That gives you an idea of how well it's been.

Speaker 8 (43:54):
And I get why people were so excited, Like we
sometimes in this little corner of our world feel like
we're kind of slided in twenty years and there's only
thirty Major League Baseball teams, I kind of get it.

Speaker 9 (44:04):
You go, what the heck, man, why has this been
so long?

Speaker 8 (44:07):
This weekend was awesome, But I don't want to forget
about that win that they had against the Tigers on
Thursday night, because sometimes the word catalyst gets used a
little too often. I kind of feel like that might
have been a catalyst game. You did not deserve to
win that game, you played terrible baseball. Mitch Handeger was
having one of his worst games as a Seattle Mariner,

(44:29):
and there may have been a text I won't say
who sent it, from somebody who said, Mitch Hanneger has
got to go in our text line. And he comes
up with that huge hit, and thanks to Ryan Valade
for making a absolutely atrocious defensive play as well. But
I just feel like there was something about that game
that made it feel like something good's gonna happen this weekend,
and something big can happen with this team. And then

(44:51):
you saw this starting pitching, this unbelievably borderline unrealistic group
of starting pitchers just shove against a good Matt's lineup,
very good Mets lineup, some very talented players, some future
Hall of famers, potentially the Seattle Mariners dominated the New
York Mets. And I'm very excited to see if they
can carry that. And I know momentum is a weird

(45:11):
word sometimes, I'm very excited to see if they can
carry that over through this next week.

Speaker 1 (45:15):
We're gonna get Anderson Hurst, By the way, was the
answer your question. Yes, I already threw one of the
bus on Friday, so it's okay.

Speaker 7 (45:21):
He's gonna sayers I want to We're gonna get to
the pitching, the offense, who will and much more in
a second.

Speaker 1 (45:33):
Let me just go back to Sunday Night Baseball for
a just a heartbeat, and I bring it up for this.
Cal Rawley addressed it after the game, saying I grew
up on the East Coast, or is an East Coast bias?
What have you? But I'm gonna go a different direction
if I can, just for a second, fellas, and I'd
love to get your thoughts. It's two guys that have
a deep, deep passion for this game and for major
League Baseball. And I think you guys are two guys

(45:54):
that that that understand the bigger picture sometimes more than
certainly I do in others. I think what we saw
yesterday was exactly why. And yeah it was the Mariner's
beating the hell out of a New York team on
national TV, primetime on the West, on the East Coast,
and surprising a lot of people who had never seen

(46:15):
the Mariners play before because baseball unlike other sports when
they do have games on quote, national television, it's somewhat
limited in the sense that if it's on MLB network,
it's regional action. If it's on Fox on Saturday, it's national. No,
it's not really, it's just like an NFL game. It's
this part of the country gets this game. This part

(46:35):
of the country gets that game. And I bring that
up for this reason. For baseball, it's not America's pastime anymore.
It's not even close to being the most popular sport
in this country anymore. In fact, far from it. It's
far closer to the National Hockey League, which is a
very regionalized, localized sport, than it is to the other two.

(47:00):
And I just say, shame on ESPN and shame on
Baseball for allowing that to happen twenty years. We made
a big deal of it, and that's why there was
juice in the building. People were excited. It was fun.
It's kind of like we used to get when the
Seahawks played a Monday night game the first few years
under Pete Whatever.

Speaker 3 (47:16):
I get it.

Speaker 1 (47:17):
There's a mystical, magical thing about that. But if we
want the game to grow, if Major League Baseball gives
a damn about the game?

Speaker 3 (47:25):
Growing?

Speaker 1 (47:26):
Should they not show teams like the Seattle Mariners more
often on television with that great pitching staff? And yeah,
he's not healthy. It was just one man's opinion, and
I don't have the medical records in front of me.
One of the dumbest decisions ever to put Julio back
in yesterday. Oh, by the way, almost as dumb as
having him walk six hundred feet from deep center left

(47:48):
center field with a high ankle sprain instead of bringing
a card out there. Yes, that aside, isn't this Chris
Baseball screws up way too much? You know who else
should be on TV more often? The Pittsburgh Pirates or
the Kansas City Royals, or the Minnesota Twins or the
Cleveland Guardians. My god, Baseball, what the hell are you doing?

Speaker 8 (48:13):
You know a lot of people like to say that
baseball is dying, Baseball is dying. Well, baseball is not dying,
but it's very much trying to kill itself, like it's
trying to do what it's what's to do. They are
attempting this mass murder of the sport. Yeah, you should
be showing these especially teams like you just mentioned, all
have young superstars that you should be promoting. And look,

(48:34):
I get it. New York versus Boston is going to
give you massive ratings. La versus San Francisco is going
to give you massive ratings. But it's only taking a
small step forward if you take if you go show
Pittsburgh versus Minnesota, you have a chance to take a
step backward, to take massive steps forward. Baseball has done
a terrible job of promoting its product, in part because

(48:55):
it can't get out of its own way. It just
cannot say, gosh, it's New York Boston, and we have
to show these games.

Speaker 9 (49:01):
They have to be on national television.

Speaker 8 (49:03):
When we know that every one of those games is
going to get massive ratings on a regional network, on
Fox Sports one, whatever you put it on. You can
put it on gosh damn Univision and it would do
really well. Put Major League Baseball teams like Minnesota, like Pittsburgh,
like Seattle, like Washington. You don't put those teams on
national television. So you have a chance to show off
the young talent and what can make this sport much

(49:25):
bigger over the time. Baseball screws this up so badly,
and I'm so glad you brought it up.

Speaker 1 (49:30):
Well, Nathan, let me just jump in real fast. Don't
you think how much of the rest of the country.
Nathan was saying, who's this big catcher, the dumper guy
for Seattle that just hit five, had five RBIs and
two swings of the bat, Like, I've never seen this guy.
I've heard about Adlei Rutchman, but who's this dude, I've
never heard of him. I don't know any catcher that
hasn't played for Saint Louis or named Jorge Pisada, Like

(49:52):
what the hell?

Speaker 3 (49:54):
Yeah, you know what it is too, and just echoing
what both of you are saying.

Speaker 7 (49:58):
It's a failure of leader ship's ability to look at
anything beyond what's happening over the right here and now.
It's a failure of planning, it's a failure of care
about the sport and the overall health. And you know,
we can always say that things used to be better
back in our day. But Bud Zealeg was a very,
very flawed commissioner of Major League Baseball. But he loved

(50:20):
baseball and wanted it to be great. He wasn't always
very good at that current leadership of Major League Baseball
doesn't give a damn about baseball, and if they did,
there's a million things that they would be doing differently.
The way that you can go off of their failure
to promote alternative teams and young talent, you can go
by the way that they have treated Oakland and the

(50:41):
franchise there and the fan base there. It's all trying
to squeeze out just a little bit more money over
the next season or the next month, without any sort
of care or thought about, hey, what does this do
for the next five to ten years, which is absolutely ridiculous.
And as much as baseball isn't the national pastime anymore,
and as much as the products can be a hard

(51:02):
watch in the current era of pitching dominance, there is
more young talent in baseball right now than any time
I can recall in the recent past. Guys like Bobby Wit, Junior,
guys like Paul Skins, guys like Cal Rawley who you
just mentioned, are superstars who should be known around the country,
but this sport will not market them because it's so desperate,

(51:23):
like you said, to squeeze every last drop of milky
can out of the cash cow. Of the Red Sox
and the Yankees and maybe one or two other franchises,
and they don't have any interest in trying to create
anything new because they're too lazy, they're too dumb, and
they're too greedy to have the imagination that would be
required to do that. And it's really frustrated.

Speaker 6 (51:43):
It is.

Speaker 1 (51:43):
I mean, there's just too much good. I mean, Seattle's
one team. I mean, like we just mentioned a bunch.
I mean, how many people have never seen Bobby Witt
except except for an All Star game? Uh? It is
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as well. All right, Nathan, let's let's go down the road.

(52:03):
I mentioned this last week that on the show. It
might have been when I had Joe Sheen on Friday,
but I just said, you know, like this will be
a great fun series to watch. It also will be
one of those things that you know, Seattle has an
opportunity to show the rest of the country that because
of that starting pitching staff one through three and then
bullpen four or five with Miller and wuin the bullpen

(52:24):
in the play. Like I laughed on Friday, I think
it was a two percent chance to win the World
Series as per some of the metrics out there, a
bit Pro Baseball Reference than others. At the time, they
were a half game under behind the behind the Tigers.
So maybe it was Thursday before the Tigers, before they
beat the Tigers, and Houston was was idle. So two percent.
I said, that's ridiculous if this team gets in, and

(52:46):
Nathan was it not just a great example this weekend.
If this team gets in, we just saw a pitching
staff give up one earned run, a starting staff give
up one earned run over three games. You get in,
you had a chance to do some damage.

Speaker 7 (52:59):
Well, it's like the hockey thing, you know, if a
goal I mean, I'm not a hockey guy at all,
as we've proven on this show before. I don't know anything,
but I don't know that much about baseball either, But
it is like the hockey thing where you get a
goalie standing in its head and any team can be
any team, and the Mariner's rotation is that goalie. They
are the one team that has that one thing that
can account for a talent disadvantage, because there is a

(53:21):
very good chance if the Mariners get in, they will
be the less talented team on the field as a
whole roster. They're just not a particularly talented group of
baseball players. But they have an X factor that almost
no other team has. And like you said, Ian, it
is this rotation. We saw it this past weekend. We
saw it back in May where they did that unbelievable

(53:41):
historic run of quality starts. There is no limit to
what this team can achieve if they can squeak into
the playoffs thanks to that rotation, because you just never know.
We saw this with the two thousand and five White Sox,
another very mediocre team that rode an incredible starting rotation
run all the way to a World Series title. So
it's happened before, it could absolutely happen this year. They

(54:03):
just have got to get in, all right. So Chris,
let me throw this at you.

Speaker 1 (54:06):
After what you saw this weekend, and you know you've
got one, two and three, and you know supposedly the
next two guys go to the bullpen. What would Chris
Crawford be telling Scott Servis his his rotation for a
playoff series should look like I'm gonna By the way,
for people that always say we're negative, this is the
dare to dream segment right here. Okay, so let's dare

(54:27):
to dream they're in the playoffs. Let's say they're actually
a home team, so they got a couple of games
to play. What does it look like for you?

Speaker 8 (54:34):
Oh gosh, it just changes every week, because like every
week one of those starters has like just an unbelievable outing,
and you say, oh, it has to be that guy.
At this point, I probably go Castillo Gilbert Kirby. I
just think Castillo has had the more experience and has
had the better playoff success. Now those other two guys,
you know, George Kirby had a great start in the

(54:56):
playoffs as well, But I can't help but remember what
Luis Castillo against the Blue Jays and against the Astros
as well. And also there's some recency bias here that
I just watched him absolutely shove against the New York
Mets as well. So I'd probably go those three. You
could argue any order you wanted here. It really probably
doesn't matter you know what I'm saying. It's like all

(55:18):
three of those guys have a great chance of giving
you six to seven innings of one to two run baseball,
and you hope that you can score the three runs necessary.
But if I had my drothers, I think I would
probably at this point go Castillo, Gilbert Kirby, and then
Miller and Wu available in the bullpen.

Speaker 1 (55:34):
What are Miller and Rou's what are their roles? Whose
roles do they kind of take over?

Speaker 8 (55:40):
So I probably have Miller as my multi inning guy,
and I probably have Wu as like my seventh inning guy,
like I would have him just because of how good
that fastball is and thinking about him doing a fastball
at Max's effort to against those guys, I think he
could be really good. All due respect to JT. Charguas,
and I assume that Greg Rissonto's just isn't going to

(56:02):
be a thing for the Seattle Mariners when you get
to our for twenty twenty four. Anyway, when you get
to the playoffs, I think that Brian wu slides in
nicely as that seventh inning guy who could give you
a multiple innings as well, and then Miller is your guy.
If one of those starter struggles, or if you need
a four starter, you know that could be your four
when you get to hopefully you win the series and
you play a seven game series, then you move him

(56:24):
from the multi inning guy to be that game four starter.
You could do Wu as well, but I just think
Brian Wu in the seventh inning, being that traditional guy
with that fastball could be really really special.

Speaker 1 (56:34):
Nathan, I'll let you dare to dream as well in
same question.

Speaker 7 (56:39):
This is really bad analysis, but your listeners are used
to that from me. I think that I'm going to
agree with Chris because of Castillo has a pitch Game one,
and it's not because I necessarily think he's the best starter.
He doesn't have the best numbers. If you want to
go by who has the best numbers, depending on what
numbers you want to use, you could start Brian Wu
in game one.

Speaker 3 (57:00):
That would be dumb. They shouldn't do that. So I
think that the thing with.

Speaker 7 (57:05):
Louise Castillo is it is a little bit of recency bias.
But there is one guy in this rotation who I
think has a semblance of aura and mystique about him,
and again, dumb analysis, very vibess based not something that
I'm used to doing, but I've seen Louise Castillo rise
to the occasion in that intangible.

Speaker 3 (57:24):
Way that I have. It's not that the other guys
can't do it.

Speaker 7 (57:28):
Maybe they do maybe this playoff, maybe they make it
in the playoffs, and then this is when they build
that mystique in aura. But I know that Louis Castillo
has it, and if you give him the ball in
Game one, I think his teammates know it too, and
I think there is something to that. There is a
level of boost to the confidence and the energy around
that lineup when they know we have got our horse,

(57:48):
we have been here before. And amazingly, if the Mariners
make the playoffs, this will be two years in three
that they've made the playoffs, So they will actually have
guys in their roster that can remember the last time
they were in the p and they will have that
past experience with Luis Castio being great in the playoffs.
So I think I'd start him one now. If they
say Logan Gilbert, if they say George Kirby, hey man,

(58:11):
those are great starting pitchers.

Speaker 3 (58:12):
I am not upset. But if it's my call, I'm
saying Louis Castio.

Speaker 1 (58:16):
And let the record show. Let the record show that
this is Molly Watt Monday on a Monday, brought to
you by Simply Seattlesimply Sale dot Com. And we just
had a breakdown and analysis on who the Mariners should
be starting in the postseason on August.

Speaker 3 (58:31):
Wait, so we're saying on August.

Speaker 1 (58:33):
Twelfth, I know, on August twelfth of twenty twenty four
of the Year of Our Lord, we're talking about a
postseason rotation for the Mariners. Yes, I think you can do.
But what we saw, I think what we just sawt
over the weekend was a team because first of all,
do they just only like they need to get to
the World Series because they'll beat whoever it is in
the National League. That's that's that's been well established now

(58:55):
that they're the best team in the National League. They
just happened to resign in the American League, right, But
let's just get there and see what happens along the
way because they keep dominating. They've got another National League
team coming up, and we'll talk about that coming up
in the next segment. Because I think helped me out. Boys,
I think that there's a decent pitching matchup coming up
on Friday in Major League Baseball, and it's actually on
national TV. I should say that it's Apple, sure, but

(59:17):
I'm not counting pay per view, all right, Like that's fine.
It's not a UFC fight for God's sakes, Like we
don't need to be on pay per view. So but
at least it is on somewhat of national television. Okay,
we'll come back. We'll continue molli wat Monday. We'll talk
a little bit about Julio's return. Victor Robles. Okay, are
we talking extension for this guy that came up in
the chat. We'll talk about that next. Ninety three point

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Speaker 1 (01:00:00):
All right, here we go our second segment of Molliwap
Monday on a Monday with the boys. Nathan and Chris
are here. Malliwap Monday, brought to you by Simply Seattle.
Simply Saydtle dot com Mollywap fifteen at checkout time. Well,
let's get the negative out of the way that we'll
move ahead to some of the other positive stuff, including
Victor Robos has monkeys and we found that out yesterday
while being liked up. Also he speaks English, which who

(01:00:20):
knew because he hasn't done that since it's been here
with the media. But just a fun segment with him.
So Julio gets activated, Chris off the injured lists, goes
zero for five, doesn't have any kind of rehab assignments
down in Tacoma. Just you know what, We're gonna throw
you out there on Sunday night baseball because you want

(01:00:41):
to go out there on Sunday night baseball. What are
we doing here?

Speaker 3 (01:00:44):
Huh?

Speaker 1 (01:00:44):
What are we doing?

Speaker 8 (01:00:46):
I just did not like that decision whatsoever, and it's
super unfair to Julio. And look, Julio is probably begging
to get in there, and that's great, and it's great
that he wanted to play, but sometimes you got to
be the adult in the room. And I'll due respect
to Julio, Rodje is that you're a twenty three year old.
I don't think anyone's really an adult at twenty three
years old. You may be able to do a lot
of things, that adults can do at twenty three. But

(01:01:07):
you gotta have somebody say, pump the brakes, Bud, we
need to get you some timing.

Speaker 9 (01:01:12):
We need to get you and look he strikes out
the five times. I was actually encouraged by ever get back.

Speaker 8 (01:01:17):
He made hard contact in everyone but the first one
when he was swinging just you could tell he wanted
to hit that ball to michaeltel Man like. He was
just swinging so hard. He found a couple of balls off.
He made a line drive that went just outside of
the wall to the left field side. His timing's off,
and of course his timing's off. He hasn't played a
major league baseball game in three weeks, So yeah, I

(01:01:39):
was really disappointed that Seattle made that decision. Now we'll
see how ready he is to go over the next
few weeks. But I just don't understand why you don't
have him play at least two or three rehab games
in Tacoma or Everett or wherever the heck you wanted
to send him. Get that timing a little bit down,
because you could tell timing was off, and of course
it was off. Anyone's time, he's going to be off.

(01:01:59):
When they haven't faced real pitching in that long.

Speaker 7 (01:02:02):
Mason, And you just brought this up for me, right
because you knew how hard it was for me to
be positive in the last segment, and I really appreciate
that that's doing me a solid, So thanks so much.
I don't know what the hell they're doing with this man, Like,
what what is the upside here?

Speaker 3 (01:02:15):
Like?

Speaker 7 (01:02:16):
What was the plan? Julia Rodriguez has not been a
very good hitter this year. He's been a perfectly fine
major League baseball player, and that's mostly been because he's
been an excellent defensive center fielder. And to take that
guy who hasn't been playing baseball for three weeks, who's
not one hundred percent because the thing that he needs
the most for his most valuable asset, which is his mobility,

(01:02:39):
is called into question and he's just to throw him
out at DH And like for what reason?

Speaker 3 (01:02:43):
What was? What?

Speaker 7 (01:02:45):
Why why are we doing this? We have Victor Robust,
he's been playing great in the position that Julio will
eventually come back and take over, which is rightfully his position.
I just don't understand it. And the organization's track record
with this kind of stuff is bad enough. That they
don't really deserve any benefit of the doubt. It feels
like this is the kind of thing that they just
did because Hulu really wanted it really badly, like Chris

(01:03:05):
already said.

Speaker 3 (01:03:06):
And why does that matter?

Speaker 7 (01:03:08):
I mean, I get I guess on a certain level
it kind of does, But geez man, I mean, I
don't even care if he had gotten hits at the
risk there of him re injuring himself in Major League
Baseball playing high level games at this point, there's just
no upside and the downside is so much greater than
any benefit. I just think it's really short sighted and
really kind of dumb.

Speaker 8 (01:03:28):
Sorry, and I know I totally agree, but I will
say this too, is I'm just kind of assuming it's
Julio wanting to play like I wouldn't doubt if ownership
was not exactly being unaggressive with this thing either. And
the reason I say that too is you saw what
uniformedis their Mariners were wearing on Sunday, right, he saw
what the big deal they made about this thing. You
cannot tell me that that ownership group was not saying, boy,

(01:03:51):
it's sure would be nice to have our superstar playing
in this baseball game as well. So look, Julio was
probably talking that he wants to play. I guarantee you
almost that nobody was saying, boy, this is a bad idea.

Speaker 9 (01:04:02):
So it's it's two sided.

Speaker 3 (01:04:03):
My only counter that would be, do we think that
ownership even knew they played yesterday? Yes?

Speaker 1 (01:04:08):
I guarantee you that City Connect uniforms tell us the
City Connect tells us that they did. Victor Robles guys
was a star last night and on the miked up
segment everything else. It is one of the cool things
that baseball does. I can't imagine any other sport micing
somebody up during play with the ball coming their way.
It's awesome, it's cool. I think it's I mean, really fun.

(01:04:31):
But it came up on our chat about re signing
him or extending him or what have you. He did
a little bit of this last year with Washington, right, Chris,
and then kind of fell off. Have we seen enough
of Victor Roebliss to say, hey, this guy could be
a cornerstone part of what you're doing in the years ahead.

Speaker 8 (01:04:49):
I don't know about cornerstone, but like building block, like
something that you want.

Speaker 1 (01:04:54):
Yeah, cornerstone is probably the wrong one, like like a
guy like okay'r he's your third outfielder. Like you say,
I feel good about this guy being my third outfield
over the next couple of years with Rosarin and Julio.

Speaker 8 (01:05:04):
And with how good he is defensively, with how good
of a throwing arm he has, especially like in right field,
that throwing arm plays awfully. Well, yeah, I think I
am comfortable with it now. I don't know how interested
Victor Rubless is going to be in signing an extension
right now because of the fact that it's not a
great free agent market next year and we'll see how
comfortable he is in Seattle, but he sure seems to

(01:05:26):
be having a good.

Speaker 1 (01:05:26):
Tear a market for him. There'll be a market for him.

Speaker 8 (01:05:29):
There will be a market for Victor Rubls because of
his defense, because of his prospect predigree. This guy had
an X outstanding rookie season and a little bit before
his rookie year as well.

Speaker 9 (01:05:39):
I know that's weird to say, but you know how
these things work.

Speaker 8 (01:05:42):
Victor Rubbles is a good baseball player, and I imagine
that he's going to be looking at a seven to
nine million dollar contract somewhere along those lines. And the
Seattle Mariners can certainly afford that. The question is going
to be whether or not you want to do it
long term, because if he's signing an extension, it doesn't
really make sense for him to sign an extension right
now for one or two years. He wants to probably

(01:06:02):
see I can either go get a proven meat deal
similar to what ti Oscar her name has kind of took.
Not at the same contract level, but similar in terms
of I want to show you what I can do.
He can hit that market and get that one year
deal with a player option. If you're signing him to
a long term deal, you're probably paying some good shekels
to it, so I would be doing it. I know
that the Mariners are negotiating with him. I hope that

(01:06:23):
they can get something done because I think at the
very worst, he's a fantastic fourth outfielder, like a guy
that you absolutely want to replace your defensive issues in
the corner outfield. Like Randy Rose Arena is not a
great defensive player. It wouldn't be the worst thing to
have Victor Roblez as a defensive replacement for Randy rose
Arena late in games. Long story short, yeah, I do

(01:06:44):
think Victor roblaz is somebody that the Seattle Mariners should
be looking to bring back, because you know what the
ceiling is now, and you also see a pretty high
floor nape.

Speaker 7 (01:06:53):
Well, yes, I think that they pretty much have to
the way the guy is playing. I mean, the season
looks so much different right now if Victor Robust doesn't
come in here and play the way that he's played
since they brought him on board, he's just really been
not I think. I also said this morning that he
and Randy rosen Raina have actually made this team fun
to watch for the first time all year. I can

(01:07:13):
enjoy watching the Seattle Mariners play with those two guys
out there. They're just really entertaining to watch. My concerns
have nothing to do with Victor Robusts. I do think
that there's a decent chance that we're seeing about as
good as he's ever going to play in Major League
Baseball right now where he's been in Seattle. He does
have prospect pedigree, but he also has twenty twenty through
twenty twenty three of not being very good, and that's

(01:07:36):
a significant sample size. My concern is if the Seattle
Marins extend him and pay him money. We just talked
about how ownership can get their myths in these things,
and he is a fantastic fourth outfielder almost certainly unless
he completely craters offensively. But if the Marion is paying
real money, will they be willing to deploy him as
a fourth outfielder if that's the kind of player that

(01:07:57):
he actually settles into being, or is this a either
because we give him a contract, if he regresses back
down to the kind of below average player he's been
for the past four years, we're going to be forced
to run him out there ad nauseum on not unlike
players who are the mitches. And I think that there's
just concern there. So that's not saying don't do it.
It's just saying that I have concerns that are primarily

(01:08:18):
Mirrors related and less Victor Robust related.

Speaker 3 (01:08:20):
If that makes I.

Speaker 8 (01:08:21):
Will point out though, like for that concern. Hey, they've
turned Mitch Garver's twelve million dollars into a backup catcher
and they've turned Mitch Haniger's massive salary into a platoon
player as well, So I will give them credit so
to speak, for doing that.

Speaker 9 (01:08:35):
And I would imagine maybe willing to do that with
robos as well.

Speaker 1 (01:08:37):
All right, let's look at the week ahead, Nathan, the
juggernaut that is the Detroit Tiger staring them in the
face starting tomorrow, and then boy, what a match up
on Friday to headline the Pittsburgh series. Thoughts on the
week ahead?

Speaker 7 (01:08:49):
Yeah, man, I mean what command We can only hope
to get out of Detroit with one win, right, because
that's just an absolute titan of an organization out there. No,
they need to win two out of three against Detroit
and then you know, we we've kind of gone back
and forth on the merits of the various ways that
Seattle does those Now I mean, excuse me, the Major
League Baseball does national broadcasts, and there's definitely pros and
cons to the Apple thing. But we've had Heidi Watney

(01:09:11):
on the show before. She does a great job there.
That is about as visually compelling a product of a
way to watch Major League Baseball on TV on that
Friday night telecast, that's gonna just kick ass.

Speaker 5 (01:09:21):
Man.

Speaker 7 (01:09:22):
What a great pitching matchup that's gonna be. That's gonna
be so much fun. And that Pirates team is just
an enjoyable team to watch. That's probably supposedly one of
the very nice, nicest stadiums and all the Major League
Baseball I've never had a chance to get out there.
I want to get out there really bad. So you know,
I'm really excited about this team right now. But I
also have to remind myself that for the first half

(01:09:43):
of this past week they looked just like their old selves.
So they need to even out. They need to they
need to cut out the downs and get more of
the highs because we can't keep having this jeckal and
Hyde thing every week where we spend one series looking
utterly incompetent before we play well. So the Tigers are bad,
they should consider sweeping them because that would be really cool.

Speaker 3 (01:10:03):
But four and two week as always is what we're.

Speaker 1 (01:10:04):
Looking for, all right, Where can we find your work?

Speaker 7 (01:10:07):
Just hang out with me on the ever degrading and
ever collapsing x slash Twitter at Nathan Underscore h Underscore
B been a little slow in the past couple of
weeks because of some real life stuff, but should be
back and ready to.

Speaker 3 (01:10:18):
Roll this week for the rest of the stretch front.

Speaker 1 (01:10:20):
And he'll be on there tonight also talking to Elon
just like the other guys, So Nathan and Elon. All right,
Chris thoughts on the week ahead and where we can
find you.

Speaker 8 (01:10:30):
Boy, it's tough to not make a Livy Dun joke
when you're talking about visually compelling stuff.

Speaker 9 (01:10:34):
By the way, I'm really showing my maturity in this job. Chris,
Thank you so very much.

Speaker 1 (01:10:39):
Thanks for putting the brakes on.

Speaker 8 (01:10:40):
Gotta find a way to go foreign too. They found
a way to go foreig too, which we said they
needed to last week. If they did it by the
skin of their teeth. All they beat the crap out
of them met so maybe not so much skin of
their teeth. But you gotta win a series against the Tigers,
and I think you got to win a series against
the Pirates as well. But Paul Skins logan Gilbert pitching
matchup is as good as it gets. I cannot wait
to watch that. Paul Skins really might be the best

(01:11:01):
pitcher in baseball right now, which is absolutely insane. This
guy was at LSU just a year ago. You can
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a whole bunch of other stuff.

Speaker 9 (01:11:19):
Really appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (01:11:19):
Chris gets the night off tonight with the Mariners off,
but he'll be back on there tomorrow early evening after
the four o'clock local time start for Pittsburgh or Detroit.
M Seattle before the weekend in Pittsburgh as well. Big
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Detroit Tigers of the American League and they'll start that
series coming up tomorrow. Is it Detroit or Detroit Detroit?

Speaker 5 (01:12:56):
It is Detroit Detroit rock City.

Speaker 1 (01:12:59):
That's a kiss told me back in the day the
Ta the Mariners picking up the win and the sweep.
They have won four in a row. That's the good news.
The bad news. The Houston Astros have reeled off five straight.
They slapped the Boston Red Sox around a little bit

(01:13:20):
this past weekend. So I was kind of nice to
see you on those lines the Wildcard race. The Mariners
are really in Houston for that matter, right, back in
it thanks to what Houston. I mean, there's the other
silver lining. What Houston did. They they helped out the
wildcard race as well in the American League. As you know,
you look at the leaders and then the wildcard and

(01:13:41):
Seattle is now just two and a half out of
a wild card race. The wildcard race. Right now, Baltimore
Yankees are tied for the top spot in the East,
Cleveland in Houston technically tied. Houston is ahead of Seattle
just because of the lost column the wildcard teams right
now as it stands the other team in the AL East.

(01:14:04):
So just say, for example, let's just say the Yankees
Minnesota and Kansas City, Seattle two and a half games back,
Boston now three games back, and Tampa Bay is just
the weirdest team ever. They're very weird five and a
half out of a wildcard spot in it right in
it sort of and yet minus forty nine run differential
and traded everybody. And what what you were telling me?

(01:14:29):
A stat in the in the break, And I think
it's an interesting stat because I think as we watch
the Mariners make their moves, we've seen some big hits
by guys a Rose Reina Justin Turner. We've seen them
make some plays, but you kind of jumped out at
me with this this stat with a Roseraine.

Speaker 7 (01:14:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:14:45):
I was just curious because it always seemed to me
that he like never had the biggest hit of the inning,
but he always would be the guy kind of starting
the rally. Right for a guy that was your big
acquisition at the deadline, he's kind of flown under the radar.
So I looked up and I was like, all right,
how's he done since coming here? He is a nine
to twenty one ohps since becoming a Seattle Mariner. That's
very good, really good, very very very good. His energy

(01:15:07):
is great. I think him and Roblesz play off each
other really well. And then you know, assuming Julio, we'll
be back pretty soon in the outfield at least, right,
that's a fun outfield, a great outfield.

Speaker 9 (01:15:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:15:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:15:19):
Robless is a crazy one too. We did and that's
kind of your guy. Yeah, And we talked about that
with the Molly Waller. Three of my guys, like the
Victor Robless thing is, first of all, you're Washington, Okay,
you want to kick him to the curb. You kick
him to the curve. You know, it didn't cost him much.
What have you? I'll tell you, man, I I kind
of lean in the direction of step. You can get

(01:15:41):
this guy, you know, extended, Chris said, they're talking to him.
But the problem is is it like, if you're him,
why would you do it right now? Well, and Chris
did mention that he is now, he could fall in
his face in the next month, right, Yeah, you want to.

Speaker 5 (01:15:55):
That's so hard for a player to like when you
negotiate for your extension and you got those guys that
do it. Chris mentioned a prove it deal. That means like, oh,
I feel like my value right now is not as
good as it will be next year, So I'm just
going to sign for a one year deal and play
better this next year to get an even bigger contract
the following year. Right, But then worst comes to the worst,
maybe you get injured during that year and you actually

(01:16:16):
end up having no worse value. So there's there's a
lot of different like ways that can go about it. Yeah,
I don't know, man, I think you need to sign
this guy. I don't even think of him as a
fourth outfielder. I think of him as you're a third guy.

Speaker 1 (01:16:26):
By the way, Chris says, like a worst case scenario. Okay,
worst case scenario, he's a fourth outfield that's like the
worst case scenario. And for a team that you know
has been running Dylan Moore out of every day at shortstop. Yeah,
for the Mitch hannigher world of playing in the outfield, ever,
I mean those days are over. Yeah, Like you don't
have to worry about that. Rayley's your first basement, right,

(01:16:47):
I mean, so it's you're you're a Turner, I guess,
but slash RALEI yeah, Rayley can DH. Turner can DH.
So you just your lineup is just with the addition
of Turner and Rose Raina and with the development of Robos,
even with out Julio, it looks just so much better.

Speaker 5 (01:17:02):
And it just, like I've mentioned this to a couple
of people right after thes is pretty amazing. That's close
to one of the top. Like if that were a
full season, op'd be one of the tops in baseball
right now. So uh yeah, I mean it's with the deadline,
what it did. I think the biggest thing was it
moved guys down to the role they were supposed to
be in, right, So often. We heard Joe Sheen talk

(01:17:23):
about this too, where you can get the middle of
the road acquisition that had good numbers in that role,
like a five six hitter or something like that. Now
you're putting your guy right and then they don't end
up living up to that expectation. So much of it
being mental. I can see where that happens, and with
these guys that are men to be those guys, right,
Like Randy is supposed to be a top of the

(01:17:44):
order guy, justin middle of the order guy, veteran presence.
He'll do what he needs to do. It pushes everyone
else down a peg. And I think it's like, not
in a bad way, in a very good way.

Speaker 1 (01:17:52):
I like that you that was she mentioned that, and
it is true, like when you go get a guy
that's not used to having that kind of role.

Speaker 5 (01:17:59):
Exactly wink happened. Yeahs with Mitch Garver right now right.

Speaker 1 (01:18:03):
Well, yeah, the Mitch Garver is probably the best example.
Here's a guy that you brought in here and you're
gonna be our everyday d h, you're not even gonna
catch well, we all know how that's turned out. So
uh offt today onto a Detroit Detroit tomorrow and then
Pittsburgh later on. Detroit, Detroit, Detroit Rock Citio is that

(01:18:25):
kiss saying it? Yeah? All right? Olympics are over. A
couple of things jumped out from the week or the
three weeks. I guess almost a thousand medals awarded, a
lot of medals, a lot of running, a lot of swimming,
a lot of jumping. No update this time, no update,
but pretty cool event that Paris put on and it
kind of shows why the Olympics can indeed be still great.

(01:18:46):
We'll talk a little bit about that, some of the
things and Pois. I don't know if you guys caught it.
The demise of Steph Curry is slightly exaggerated, and then
some we'll get to that coming up next.

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Speaker 4 (01:19:16):
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Speaker 5 (01:19:21):
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Speaker 4 (01:19:25):
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Speaker 1 (01:19:28):
It looked like a good swing. My friend, I was
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Uh yeah, there you go, there you go.

Speaker 3 (01:19:39):
All right?

Speaker 1 (01:19:40):
What do we got going on? Mariners are off today
on the way to Detroit. They start a series there tomorrow.
Road trip. Next up is Pittsburgh as well, so that's
coming up. Uh, let's see Seahawks on the practice field
as we speak. Connor Williams out there. So it's a
bunch of other guys that have been hurt. Basically everybody
but Jerome Baker. I was gonna ask he's back it.

(01:20:00):
That'd be a negatory, sir, eight, would be a negatory
abe practicing eight. Well, no, he's on PP so that's
a little bit different. It's match day for your Seattle
Sounders tonight at the pitch at Lumen Field. Match Day Seattle.
And is it Puma Pumas plus us that's a team

(01:20:21):
they'd beat for the coccat is indeed. Yes, they're a
big Mexican team. So how does this work? If they
win tonight? They continue or is it one and done
or is this one series? It's one done? Where's that
game at here? Or nine fifty? I think it's nine fifty.
Let me double check. Okay, thank you. I appreciate that.
Is Jackson on the call again? He should be. He

(01:20:42):
got to win last time. Yeah, I'm just saying they
if they change it, Yeah, yeah, I don't think you
changed on. Hey, sorry, Danny, it's all nice and fine,
but you know what, my dodthd o. Our guy got
to win last time. So let's do that.

Speaker 4 (01:20:55):
Three three nil.

Speaker 1 (01:20:57):
Yeah, let's go. Let's get into the next hour.

Speaker 3 (01:20:59):
Here we go.

Speaker 1 (01:21:07):
AP Top twenty five is out to and it mentioned
that Georgia, Ohio State, Oregon won two and three. Oregon
got one first place votes. The rest went to Georgia
and Ohio State. The Wolverines of Michigan University, they defending
national champs, are ranked number I want to see this, sorry, Horton, No, no, no, no,

(01:21:29):
they're down number nine. Oh wow, which I believe is
the lowest that the Yeah, it's the lowest preseason ranking
for defendant national champs since twenty eleven. Auburn was twenty three,
but they had a guy named Cam Newton. That left wait, yea,
Cam Newton. Cameron Newton, Cameron Newton. Before that, the last

(01:21:51):
time in fitting Champ was lacked ranked worse was number
seven lower than number seven. That was Colorado in nineteen
ninety one. Washington went on to win the title that year,
sharing it with Miami. And speaking of the Huskies there
the first team to go to the college football Playoff
and be unranked the next season, not a surprise with
the losses to the NFL and oh yeah the coach

(01:22:11):
I believe too, and kind of like you lose Cam Newton,
you lost Michael Pennix. Like that's so it's not similar.
That's certainly not an indictment on Washington. Okay, uh tell
them are new text slign when it same time, I
wanted to spend a little bit of time just we've
talked a lot of Mariners day, we talked a lot
of seahawksday. I did want to spend a little time.

(01:22:32):
We just wrapped up the Olympic Games yesterday when we
were kind of getting ready for our little golf outing yesterday,
the closing ceremonies were up on the screens there where
we were at closing ceremonies and opening ceremonies. Don't care
the events though unbelievable. Oh yeah, and just you know
the COVID. It's a Beijing right before, right, It's just

(01:22:55):
and we had the COVID situation, so that's three years ago.

Speaker 3 (01:22:57):
It was the same.

Speaker 1 (01:23:00):
It's it. You know, we've the pandemic kind of really
has taken some of the luster away from it over
the last few years. What we saw over the last
three weeks in Paris was awesome. It's also what's great
in my opinion, and we'll get you both years in
a second. What's great about sports is that the competition
to win, not the competition for the almighty buck, not

(01:23:21):
the competition to see if I can get my big paycheck,
my multi year contract, be set financially for life. Those
are all great incentives. I get that. But as a fan,
when you're watching an athlete compete purely for a medal, gold, silver,
or bronze, and the emotion that goes into that, even

(01:23:44):
for people at the highest level, it's pretty damn cool.
Both US basketball teams won a gold. US women's national
team in soccer won a gold. I want to go
with those three before I go to some of the
individuals in a second. First for the US women's national team,
new coach, kind of a new era of soccer, not

(01:24:05):
just a new coach like ten games in charge, right, yes,
and hasn't like unproven at the international level, at the
international level, but more importantly, like like a lot of
like a lot of new faces on that roster. Yes,
the old guard no longer there. There was I mean,
you know, yeah, old Meg retired and then she decided

(01:24:28):
not to bring Alex Morgan, which was huge, and there was,
you know, just some of the faces and names you've
known for a decade plus no longer there. So big,
big shout out to the younger US, new generation of
US women's soccer. Playoffs. Man, they're really good. They're fun
to watch. I you know, I I think the other

(01:24:49):
thing that jumps out of me is that the rest
of the world has caught up. Yes, it used to
be a three two three team tournament, whether it be
the Olympics or the World Cup. Yes, that's not the
case anymore. They got a one nothing win, one nil
win to win a gold and it was tight.

Speaker 5 (01:25:04):
And I talked about this with Jackson like US could
usually before this point win on just talent, right, you
have to have a good coach, now.

Speaker 1 (01:25:12):
You have to And the keeper was was she was elite.
Listen her, nay her, she's her, nay her was really good.
The men let me just get to basketball for saying.
So that just jumped out at me. And I wanted
to talk about this after watching it on Saturday, because
we've gone through a lot of different eras and different

(01:25:32):
versions of US basket men's basketball for a long time,
you know, and I'm not trying to be condescending, but
for a long time, people might not have remembered that
the US would send over college all stars because it
used to be and this is why we saw the
nineteen eighty Olympic hockey team beat the Soviet Union. It

(01:25:53):
used to be that you couldn't have quote, professionals in
the Olympics, so you wouldn't have NHL players play hockey,
you wouldn't have NBA players play basketball. Soccer was different
because the way they they need to change that, by
the way, but whatever, the way they do the men
and women is kind of yeah, I mean, it's just
twenty three or U nineteen, What the hell is.

Speaker 5 (01:26:11):
It's twenty three but the reason they do that isn't
even because like they need to. It's because the men
that play other tournaments like the Copa America and the Euros.

Speaker 1 (01:26:20):
It's odd, it's going to odd they do it differently,
especially since in a day and age, we want to
compare men and women.

Speaker 3 (01:26:25):
All the time.

Speaker 1 (01:26:25):
That's what we want to do. We're not going to
do that. Okay, that's not But let's just go to
the basketball for a second, because for a lot of
years it was it was we're playing sometimes men against boys,
and some of the Europeans, especially again the Soviet Union
had dudes and older dudes, and you're playing against college
kids and it was just you know, finally they moved

(01:26:47):
and we got the Dream team in there and we
saw what happened. I mean, they rolled people. We're the
best basketball country in the world. But again others are
catching up. France right there on the doorstep, I mean,
look out, well and they've finished the silver and women's too,
right so and Serbia no, I mean in a lot

(01:27:09):
of those countries will have like a couple three dudes,
and the international game is a little different. But the
things that jumped out at me with the Olympics. Someone
Biles is great. We all know that that obvious statement.
Kat Kate, Katie the DECKI is unreal, you know, just
But on the professional side of things, I was refreshed,

(01:27:31):
energized and truly enjoyed watching the emotion with the men's
basketball team. And I didn't think I would. I didn't
think I would. I was just I was kind of
non just whatever.

Speaker 5 (01:27:43):
I was kind of giving you play by player in
the Serbia game, and I'm telling I was telling you,
my god.

Speaker 1 (01:27:47):
And I was like, I don't care. Yeah, I didn't
even care if they lost. You almost wanted them to.
I kind of did, because I'm so tired of Lebron.
But but then watching them play on Saturday in a
really great I mean I watched start to close game.
I mean, just Wemby's unreal. He's really good. Goodness, me

(01:28:08):
get US an NBA team here now so I can
see that guy in person. But watching the emotion for
guys that have all the money in the world and
won everything exactly even if they haven't won an NBA championship,
there wasn't a guy on that on that US roster
that isn't set financially for life for generations to come,

(01:28:30):
and all too often that's what the motivation. We kind
of feel like it is for professional athletes, and maybe
it's easier in a sense because they are set for life.
I don't think so. There was something about the gold medal,
the pride of playing for the country, you know, Stephan
others like kind of pulling out the USA jersey, kind
of pointing to that him and like him and Lebron's chemistry,

(01:28:52):
but it meant something, take the chemistry, take chemistry, but
take the chemistry side, take the chemistry side. The emotion.
It was the emotion and the want too. The emotion.
I'm not surprised they could play together. I'm not surprising
of the best players in the world and honestly, and
Steve Kerr is the best coach in the world. You
just talked about with women's soccer coaching matters, Steve k
I mean, even though few was on the bench, they

(01:29:14):
had a hell of a staff. I mean, Eric Spolstra,
I mean a bunch of NBA rings just on the
coaching staff. But watching them and the emotion of winning
a gold medal when you've already kind of done it
all in sports was really cool to see and then
I'll take it to another sport for a second. The golf. Yes,

(01:29:38):
Olympic golf, Lydia Cole Lydia Coe broke down. Now she
solidified her spot in the LPGA Golf Hall of Fame,
which frankly is probably the hardest hall of fame to
get into in all of sports. Like it's crazy the criteria.
Yet it's a point system, like you can I just

(01:30:00):
want a Master's and get in, Freddy, you know, Like
it's just it's the criteria is really hard, and I
think there was probably seeds of doubt for her to
get in, but that wasn't it. Shed already won Olympic medals,
she had won a gold watching the others kind of
fade at the end, and she faded. She had a
bad hole. Everyone had bad holes in that course. But
the emotion for all of those women winning medals was again,

(01:30:24):
you're on the top tour in the world. You're one
of the best. Anybody in that tournament's a top one
hundred golfer in the world, not just in the world.
You've accomplished more than most people can even fathom. But
winning the gold watching aperl Lyda Coe is again set
for life. Financially, she has nothing left except me. Okay,
the Hall of Fame. She probably would have got any anyway.

(01:30:46):
She may walk away from the sport now to which
would be a bomber because she's fun to watch, but
it meant everything to her. Same thing with Scotty and
the men. Tommy Fleetwood got a silver. Guy hasn't won
anything on the tour. He's rich as hell. It's got
a ton of money, never won anything on the on
the PGA Tour. Winning winning a silver for him was
probably better in some ways of winning the damn Masters. Yes,

(01:31:09):
first country, yeah, yes, So I'm just as I'm watching
all these things, I thought to myself that the different,
the different things we saw during the Olympics. Noah Lyles,
of course, was phenomenal. Shakari Richardson too.

Speaker 4 (01:31:22):
Oh gosh, I could.

Speaker 2 (01:31:24):
I spent Saturday with a track athlete who is at
the University of Oregon right now, and she's a journalism major,
so and she talking to her as a track athlete
about how much this Olympics means to the next generation
of athletes coming up. It was amazing, and Shakari was

(01:31:46):
I just wanted to see her again.

Speaker 1 (01:31:48):
Well, and I simone Bile's got a lot of love
for her medals, rightfully, so yeah, she's the greatest, She's
the greatest. The visual of her on the podium with
Brazilian gymnast Rebecca Andre who won the gold in the
floor exercise, her and Jordan Chiles, and that's a whole
different deal with Jordan Chiles. But when Bile's and Chiles

(01:32:10):
were bowing to the person that beat them like this,
sportsmanship was awesome. Help Lydia Cole on Saturday Friday, and
it was Friday, yeah, Friday, but even on Saturday Gulftown
did a great breakdown of her watching her. It was Metro,
Maddie Motrou the young lady from Sweden. I believe it

(01:32:31):
was sween Er, Switzerland. She was she's never won on
PG on the LPGA tour, struggles to keep her card.
She was second, she was playing the final group. She
was just I mean, grinding away. Had the best tournament
week of her life, didn't medal, but Lydia Coe they
showed all these shots because she was playing the same thing,
the same threesome with Lydia who's trying to beat her

(01:32:52):
and catch her for a gold medal and like you
can see her on the green, she makes she's she
hits a putt and Lydia is like kind of like
kind of urging the putt to go and wanting to
see it go. In My point is this, what we
saw for the last three weeks was the best of sports.
It was the best of sports. And for so many
years the Olympics have had issues and maybe stuff will

(01:33:14):
come out. I'm sure it will. It always does. It's
about the doping, it's about this, it's about that the
infrastructure didn't work. I've mentioned this a million times, so sorry,
I'll then to do it again though, And because they're
getting they're getting them the Winter Olympics back. You know,
I was in Salt Lake with the Winter Olympics. Were
there pre Olympics and post Olympics, and our Olympic Games

(01:33:35):
in Salt Lake weren't probably what they could have been
in terms of outside people coming in because if you
remember it was four months after nine to eleven. People
didn't want to fly, people don't want to travel, kind
of like the last little while with the last couple
of Olympics before Paris. But I did spend time a
lot of time, downtown metal ceremonies and things like that.

(01:34:00):
There's nothing like an Olympic Games. There just isn't. It's
just different level. And we've been lucky enough, you and
I just to cover super Bowls. I'll be lucky enough
cover NBA Finals. It's like, I've seen a lot of
different there's nothing like the Olympics. You put your heart
and soul into something, and it's kind of it's kind
of like an NCAA championship in this sense. You prop

(01:34:21):
you don't get a lot of chances, like maybe one
if you're lucky, it's someone of the World Cup with
that and you get Yeah, like there's certain championships you
just don't. Hey, you don't win the Stanley Cup this year,
you don't win the World Series this year. You don't
win the NBA Finals this year, you don't win a
Super Bowl this year. You know what, there's next year.
If you're a pro athlete, most of the times there
is no like there is no tomorrow, There is no

(01:34:42):
next year. Yeah, Katie and Simone kind of proved differently,
but for the real vast majority of people, you kind
of have one and done. I mean, I want to
watch is Leon marshand right. The he's not no relation
to Brad, He's French. The swimmer, he's unreal. The guy
looks like Marshan is that goofball from Detroit, which yeah, God,

(01:35:04):
it's like it's like Brab Marshan's taller brother that was
in our group chat for the just equally as ugly
kid kid from France. Not ugly, just a great swimmer. Anyway,
I listened the Olympics. It's kind of weird. They're on
different times. Hard to kind of sometimes keep track of
when stuff was live and when it wasn't. If you
avoided stuff, you could watch primetime at night, you know.

(01:35:26):
For for me, a lot of times swimming, I kind
of didn't know who had won or tried to avoid it,
so I watched it and I just nothing. Rowdy Gaines
is one of the best broadcasters in all sports. Who
is the analyst there. Dan Hicks is right there with.
I mean, they're they're it's phenomenal day and age, which
we want to rip everybody for how they broadcast and
do things. NBC was fantastic, very very good. You did

(01:35:47):
a great job with things. I can't even imagine what
it takes to put that on. I mean, we see
what it takes to put a Super Bowl on. Anyway,
just some thoughts four one, four to five one, feel
free to share those four nine, four to five one.
I just thought the Olympics were awesome. I just thought
it kind of renewed my energy and my zest and
my excitement for sports because I saw people that sometimes
I question whether or not they really Joel and Biebe

(01:36:10):
whoever it is right, they're doing it for the right
reasons and Lebron and caring and wanting to do it
for their country. I'm not a Britney Grinder fan. Sorry,
just aren't you know.

Speaker 4 (01:36:21):
A fan of someone, But there was something but for a.

Speaker 1 (01:36:25):
Woman who didn't stand for the anthem, didn't come out
for the anthem, was very and again that's your prerogative, man,
you do what you want to do. And then then
she needed this country. She needed this country. She made
a big mistake. She needed this country. She was not
all in on some of the things in this country,

(01:36:46):
and nobody, nobody should be all in. But the defiance
that she had at times was very, very public and
very well, I mean right there for us to see.
And look where we are a few years later, a
gold medal for a country that worked tirelessly to get
her out of that hell hole of Russia. And you

(01:37:06):
could see the emotion in her eyes. Well you could
see it in her tears, which was again pretty awesome
to see. I was like, I'm sure her world feels
a lot different now than it did, you know, pre prison,
even post prison.

Speaker 3 (01:37:20):
I love that.

Speaker 1 (01:37:20):
I love the evolution. Sports can change, Sports can change.
And she went out, she said, to want to win
a medal for the country that supported me. Good, that's awesome,
that's awesome, Like, how can you not like that? How
can you not appreciate that? And so like I for me,
I became more of a Okay, now I can I
can embrace Britney Grinder again, one of the greatest female
basketball players ever in our country. So there's so much

(01:37:43):
good that came out of it. So we'll get your
thoughts four nine, four to five one real quick, you guys,
thought anything you want to wrap it up with?

Speaker 2 (01:37:48):
Jess, I've always thought the Olympics, and I usually Summer
Olympics just because I have more time to view them,
mostly with my schedule, but I just wimming and track
has always been my thing. I watched more events outside
of swimming and track than I ever have then I

(01:38:11):
have in a very long time, i should say, and
I I love it too because it just kind of
feels like it brings the world together. It's not just
like one country like you were saying that, you know,
with Simone Biles and Chials like you know, bowing to
the Brazilian who won. It's amazing and it's just so
much respect. And I think that's why I always love sports,

(01:38:35):
is the bringing together of people. And I think the
Olympics is a perfect example of that. It's, yes, we're competing,
but we're bringing each other together at the same time.
And that's my favorite part about sports.

Speaker 5 (01:38:47):
And you mentioned the basketball. I'm gonna I'm gonna highlight
that because I was watching that closely and the actual
basketball played. I will say those last two games at
the semi final, the final that the US were in,
for me as a casual basket ball fan, those are
the best two games I've seen since at least to
twenty nineteen NBA Finals with Toronto vers.

Speaker 1 (01:39:06):
Part of it because they let him play. Yeah, because
they let them play. They did it was the players
liked it.

Speaker 5 (01:39:12):
It's not like they were complaining about everything. They were
playing hard and.

Speaker 2 (01:39:16):
There was a minimal amount of flopping in that and
nobody complaining as much as you see in the game.

Speaker 1 (01:39:22):
I think people had done. I think those guys adjusted
pretty quick to saying, Okay, you know what, they're gonna
let us play.

Speaker 5 (01:39:26):
And it was lower scoring, like it was all about that,
and I don't know, just to seek that round of
oh my god, he's my favorite He's my favorite player ever.
Man Like, it's that's a whole other thing. But the
other the other thing I wanted to point out was
I really really hope that this like what we were
talking about with the every four years and then comparing
it to Salt Lake City, I hope that the World

(01:39:47):
Cup has that effect here and so I think it will.

Speaker 1 (01:39:48):
I think I think it will. I you know, I
don't know if we'll have the same camaraderie among nations.
Probably won't. Instead of camaraderie, probably a lot more acrimony.
But yeah, like, can I mention Salt Lake Like going
downtown at night in Salt Lake of all places, there
was this festive, joyous, cool atmosphere and we needed it
as a country at the time, because again we were

(01:40:10):
just a few months removed around eleven. But even then,
like people from everywhere, from all these countries. I remember
walking around it was you know, you're having a beer
and you're just sitting there like this is this is
amazing melting pot of cultures. And I don't think I
I went down there a handful of times to just
do and take it in at night because at night
that's when they had the metal ceremonies and things like that,
and they had a concert stuff. But I think I

(01:40:32):
it took me a couple of years afterwards to understand
how awesome it was the bringing together of all those
cultures and and all the just the the fun times
we had together so down there.

Speaker 5 (01:40:42):
And that basketball team. What made it so fun for
me was watching players that had like kind of rivalries
in the league that turned like had to be teammates,
so they were like really good teammates.

Speaker 1 (01:40:50):
We've seen that in hockey. It feels like that's that's
a norm if the nh and that's why it's good.
The NHL is playing in the next Olympics.

Speaker 5 (01:40:56):
And one thing I wanted to add on that was
I want to see baseball I want to see baseball.

Speaker 1 (01:41:01):
Olympics. I would love to see so cool. I would
love to see baseball. I'd love to see and softball.
I think softball is coming back in LA right because
just listen climbing a rock wall and break dancing. Okay,
you do you that's fine.

Speaker 2 (01:41:14):
The Australian dude, I just I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (01:41:18):
But to not have fast pitch in the Olympics, I mean,
I blame our country because we were too good at it.
I think baseball it's like worldly little.

Speaker 2 (01:41:28):
Baseball also, like I mean, and even though it's just
tangential to America.

Speaker 4 (01:41:32):
We had the All Star Game here last year.

Speaker 2 (01:41:34):
We saw how amazing that was with all these teams
coming together.

Speaker 4 (01:41:39):
Be amazing if all countries came to you.

Speaker 1 (01:41:40):
But what you said, Andrews is right. It's a world.
It's a it's a global game now and they try
to make the World Baseball Classic something some countries care.
Most don't. It's not it's not the Olympics. With the Olympics,
we just we just saw it with women's basketball, men's basketball,
and women's soccer. We just saw what the team events are. Okay,
they can break come back to your text next

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