Furness Show 8-31: Mollywhop Monday, Corbin Smith, Hugh Millen

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's officially week one in college football. The Apple Cup
is Sunday. Clemson LSU is the highlight on Saturday. We've
got games coming up this weekend. Cutdown day in the
NFL yesterday. Got all those things going on. And you
know what's good about that? That takes your mind off
of the local Major League Baseball team. Which is a
good thing. Because they're not good. I just mentioned this

(00:23):
in the headlines. I'm trying to wrap my arms around this, Anders.
And we'll mollywop at 1 o'clock today. They are nine
games under.

Speaker 2 (00:32):
500.

Speaker 1 (00:32):
Yeah. This is a team that was on the brink
of going to the World Series last season, and they
are nine games under. 500. How in the world did
we get here? And five games back in the wild card,
five games back in the AL West. With 25 games

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left to go. Very much everything in front of them, blah, blah, blah,
all that stuff, sure.

Speaker 3 (00:58):
No.

Speaker 4 (00:59):
But.

Speaker 1 (00:59):
I disagree. You disagree?

Speaker 5 (01:01):
They're dead.

Speaker 3 (01:01):
Well.

Speaker 1 (01:04):
Okay, here's the thing.

Speaker 5 (01:05):
They're dead.

Speaker 1 (01:05):
It certainly feels that way.

Speaker 6 (01:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:08):
And I think in most years, you would be... I
wouldn't even push back with you.

Speaker 5 (01:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:14):
But this year, I'm just looking at the American League standings. God,
it's awful.

Speaker 5 (01:19):
Okay, I don't care what the standings say. Because Toronto's
in a very similar situation to the Mariners are, standings-wise.

Speaker 3 (01:26):
Right.

Speaker 5 (01:26):
But you saw what a team that's desperate to make
the playoffs looked like across the diamond this weekend.

Speaker 1 (01:32):
I'm going to go back to Friday's show, because we
talked about that, you, Chris, and I talked about it.
That if one of the two teams this past weekend
in Toronto, Seattle, or Toronto, got a sweep, right? That
would probably, it wouldn't mathematically eliminate you from the wildcard race, right?
But it would put you in a situation that would
be really, really challenging, like really difficult to overcome. And

(01:57):
I frankly, honestly, there's some weird sicko part of me
that was thinking, yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if the
Mariners go and sweep Toronto. The other thing happened. They
got swept. Because we also, did we not agree, someone's
going to win two of three, and that muddling middle
mess is just going to still exist. Somebody's going to
gain one game. Someone's going to lose one game. But
it really doesn't affect you. Well, the reality is Seattle

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got swept. They're nine games under.

Speaker 7 (02:22):
500.

Speaker 1 (02:23):
Cleveland holds down the final wildcard spot. They're one game over. 500,
by the way. One game back would be Baltimore. One
and a half games back is Toronto. Two games back
is Texas, and four games back is Minnesota. So just
to get to the point where you can see Cleveland,
you've got to pass Minnesota, Texas, Toronto, and Baltimore. That's
four teams, and then Cleveland makes it five. That is

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hard to do. Detroit feels like they're done. They're 2-8
in their last 10. They're a half game behind you.
They probably feel like they're done. They traded their best pitcher.
Saw a young guy. He's pretty good, I heard. But
I don't even look at it. I'm going to go
back to what we said on Friday. I want to
stay consistent with that. I feel like the wild card is,
and we've talked about it, that the division is your

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best chance.

Speaker 3 (03:07):
Right?

Speaker 1 (03:08):
We've talked about that. That feels now like you might
as well be an American League East team, that the
wild card is your only shot if you're not named,
you know, Toronto or, I mean, Tampa or the Yankees. Yeah.
Because there's so much traffic in front of you. You'd
have to have a lot of things bounce your way. Houston, though,

(03:28):
give them credit, man. They went and won a couple
series in the Big Apple.

Speaker 3 (03:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (03:32):
Good for them. Texas, they're not doing much, but they
both got a win yesterday.

Speaker 5 (03:37):
Staying alive.

Speaker 1 (03:37):
And they're staying alive. And they've got some distance between
Seattle and those two teams. It is, I don't know, Anders,
how to describe it other than it's got to be
one of the most disappointing seasons ever in Seattle sports.
And I'm not just talking Mariners. I'm just talking Seattle sports. Period.
With the expectations you had, and you will enter the
month of September, at best, at best, eight games under. 500.

(04:01):
At best. But possibly reaching that weird threshold of being
10 games under. 500 with 24 left to go.

Speaker 5 (04:09):
The worst part isn't even the record itself. It's A,
how it's looked. It looks completely lifeless. You've already lost
a series to Toronto, a team that ended your season
last year, by the way, in that building. And you
have a chance. Alright, we're not going to let them
sweep us. We need to at least get one of
the games back. And you have probably the worst game

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of the year yesterday where you let the ghost of
Max Scherzer dice you up for his season-high strikeouts. Looks
like he's in Cy Young form, even though he has
a 7 ERA this year. I mean, one hit, more
mental mistakes, just a complete lack of focus. This team

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is soft. They're mentally weak. They... They have no accountability.
Softie's mentioned that a few times. And honestly, it's gross
to watch. And that's the worst part about it.

Speaker 1 (05:09):
They had, over the weekend, 12 total hits and 4
total runs. 12 hits, 4 runs. That should be a ballgame.

Speaker 3 (05:22):
Right?

Speaker 1 (05:23):
Like that, that, that should.

Speaker 5 (05:24):
Be, that's like a good ball game.

Speaker 8 (05:26):
That's good.

Speaker 1 (05:26):
Like a good say we, we got it going like
a 12 hit, not outrageous.

Speaker 8 (05:31):
Right.

Speaker 3 (05:31):
Right.

Speaker 5 (05:31):
No, you just good.

Speaker 6 (05:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (05:33):
I mean, I'm just looking back. There's a number of
teams that had double digit hits just yesterday in baseball,
you know, like it shouldn't be that hard. And yet
that's what it ends up being. It's just, I think
the frustration level two for fans has reached an all
time high and we'll, we'll get into all this coming
up with the Molly Wap guys at, at one o'clock,
but I think the frustration of all involved is, is, is,

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is understandable. It's, it's also something that you just kind of,
I'll be honest with you. I didn't see it coming.
I think when the season ended last year is disappointing
as it was, you had that feeling of, okay, they're
on the right track. Will they do enough in the
off season? Well, the answer was no. They didn't address

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third base. They tried to, I guess, with Donovan, but God,
what a waste. And not by his own choice. Nobody
wants to get hurt. Right. But he's not a third
baseman at this point in his career. So he never
addressed that. You rush up Cole Emerson. Maybe you waited
too long to bring Cade in up here. I mean, just,

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it feels like, and then the Rob Ref Snyder, you know,
Tommy LaStella move, which... Gotta have one of those every year.

Speaker 5 (06:46):
It turns into Taylor Ward.

Speaker 1 (06:51):
You know, I know it's fun, and I'm as guilty
as anybody to ask questions and criticize the catcher and
Julio to a certain extent as well.

Speaker 5 (07:01):
Where in Hades has Julio been?

Speaker 6 (07:03):
Well.

Speaker 1 (07:04):
I'm sorry, but... We can question Julio. We can question
a lot of these guys. The Taylor Ward trade has
been a nothing. A zero. A zilch on the board.
Like I, so you go from being a power hitter
to the best block slash on base guy. Either one

(07:25):
of those would work.

Speaker 3 (07:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (07:26):
We'll take either one.

Speaker 1 (07:27):
Either one would work. Instead you get Rob Refsnyder.

Speaker 5 (07:32):
It's true.

Speaker 3 (07:33):
Right.

Speaker 8 (07:34):
It's honestly, it's true.

Speaker 1 (07:35):
And, and Colton Wong and Tommy LaStella and AJ Pollock
and all the rest. That's what you get.

Speaker 7 (07:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (07:41):
How does that happen? What is in the water here?
Tribal ground.

Speaker 3 (07:46):
Burial.

Speaker 1 (07:47):
That's what it is. Chief Self. Chief Self somewhere is
smiling to himself saying, I told you not to build here.
I told you not to build here. Damn you. Oh
my God. All right. More on them later. While we
walk at one. Stand by. Stand by for the Molly
Watt Monday, boys, coming up at 1 o'clock today. Corbin Smith,
we're going to check in with Corbin next. We're going

(08:08):
to find out what's going on Seahawk land. They're starting
to do some practice squad movement. Get his thoughts on
what was done when it was all said and done
as far as the roster moves are going.

Speaker 6 (08:18):
So all that's coming up on 93.3 KDRFM. It's time
to take a deep dive into all things Seahawks with
Corbin Smith, sports reporter for Emerald City Spectrum. All Seattle sports,
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Speaker 1 (08:38):
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Speaker 6 (08:39):
Contact Jim at 206-769-5466 or at Jim at soldbyjim.com. Now
with Corbin Smith, here's Ian.

Speaker 1 (08:50):
All right, we'll get a little football talk. That'll get
us away from the baseball team for a minute, which
is probably good for everyone's mental health and well-being and
so forth. So let's do that. Yesterday was cut-down day
in the NFL. So you actually get a few days off.
There's a mandatory some time off with their early schedule.
There usually be like a Labor Day weekend, but they
got to get ready for a Wednesday game, which is
still the oddest thing ever. But those are small problems
when you're the Super Bowl champions. Corbin Smith joins us.

(09:12):
I just read your story here. The cut-down takeaways, Montori
Foster Jr., Amongst the ex-earned spot in the initial 53-man roster,
there's a lot going on. I don't even know if
things have changed. I think 1 o'clock is when things
really can happen, and away we go. I know that
they lost one player, I think Jared Ivey, right? Got
claimed off waivers by somebody. But, Corbin, first of all,

(09:33):
how are you, my friend? I'm good.

Speaker 3 (09:36):
How are you?

Speaker 1 (09:36):
I'm good.

Speaker 6 (09:37):
I'm good.

Speaker 1 (09:39):
Before we get to just kind of take away thoughts
on the roster, where this team is, Let's just take
a little bit of a step back and kind of
re-educate everybody. There's different things here in play, correct? I'll
let you kind of explain it. You did a good
job in your story. Just how it how it actually
works because the 53 man roster announced yesterday is far
from a finished product.

Speaker 9 (10:01):
It's going to go through a lot of alterations over
the next nine to 10 days before Seattle plays new England. And,
you know, I saw some fans that were panicking a
little bit, reading the story that I put together, like
three safeties. Why do we only have three safeties or,
you know, why do we only have five corners? Why
do we have three, 18 offensive linemen. The first 53-man

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roster is all about trying to protect the assets that.

Speaker 4 (10:28):
You're worried about getting claimed on waivers.

Speaker 9 (10:31):
You are trying to keep as many of your young
talents as you can, and the ones that you think
are going to slip through, you take the risk. And
one of the ways that teams can make it that
they have fewer of those guys testing the waiver waters
is with the vested veterans. If they have four or
more accrued seasons in the NFL, they are not subject

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to the waiver wire. So those guys can be signed
quickly to your practice squad or brought back on the
active roster if you make another move to open up
a spot for them. But it gives you the flexibility
initially to keep as many guys from hitting the waiver
wire as possible to try to limit the damage so
that you don't have three or four guys get claimed

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the way that Jared Ivey was by Atlanta today.

Speaker 1 (11:16):
Let's go through a couple of the highlights, and we'll
start first with the good story that is Montori Foster Jr., No.

Speaker 10 (11:22):
87.

Speaker 1 (11:23):
He is on the roster. The great story. It was
chronicled in Hard Knocks. You've talked to him. It feels
like he's one of those guys we all get a
chance to talk to during training camp. Just how good
a story is this?

Speaker 4 (11:37):
I don't want.

Speaker 9 (11:38):
To say it's unprecedented because we see stuff like this
happen in NFL camps, but for a defending Super Bowl champion–
that has as many returning pieces as the Seahawks have.
And I know there's been a few injuries that have
happened along the way too, that have opened up some
roster spots, but for a player that was not on
an NFL team, most of his rookie year was substitute teaching,

(12:02):
got his real estate license. I mean, he was preparing
for life after football while still preparing to play football.
And then he gets the call late December to come
back to the Seahawks. And that six, seven weeks that
he was back with the team, uh, really catapulted him
into the spring when OTA started and for a guy
like that on this receiving core that is stacked with

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talent for him to be able to force Seattle's hand
like we can't release this guy he's been too valuable
he's done too many things on special teams he's gotten
it done as a blocker like he has forced our
hand I think if Jake Bobo was healthy that Montori
Foster still makes this team that that's how good he's
been he absolutely earned the spot and And talking to

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John Schneider yesterday, I asked him about Foster, and he
made it clear that he doesn't remember a receiver improving
more in such a short period of time than this
kid has, which that's a testament to the work he's
put in, the coaching he's gotten, and now here he
is with a chance to play on Sundays for the
defending champions.

Speaker 1 (13:03):
Corbin Smith joining us, Emerald City Spectrum, EmeraldCitySpectrum.com. What is
the one surprise? What was the surprise? Or maybe there's
multiple surprises. When you guys walked out and watched practice
yesterday and someone was there, wasn't there, whatever the case
might have been, what really kind of shocked you after
watching the last month or so of training camp?

Speaker 9 (13:25):
I was surprised with how the cornerback position played out
in particular because Julian Neal's missed almost the entire training camp.
I thought he was going to be a candidate to
start the year on injury reserve. but he was out
there practicing yesterday and it sounds like they think he
is over the hump with the quad injury that's kept
him out. So he's on the active roster, not an
injured reserve designation.

Speaker 4 (13:47):
And then Michael Dansby and Andre Fuller both get cut.

Speaker 9 (13:50):
I thought one of them was going to get kept,
but then they went out and traded for Avery Smith,
got him from the chargers. And he's the, he's ends
up being the rookie corner that is on the initial roster.
So Then you have Trayvon Diggs going to cuts. We're
going to ramp him up on the practice squad. I
can tell you that he is officially back on the

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practice squad. It just felt like that position went very
different than I thought it was going to.

Speaker 4 (14:16):
A lot of the other ones felt like chalk. Cornerback
was not.

Speaker 1 (14:21):
Yeah, that's the one that's odd to me, and I
want to stay there for a second. Do you think
there's any remorse or any questioning inside on maybe we
should have kept Reek Wollin?

Speaker 10 (14:35):
I don't know if.

Speaker 1 (14:35):
There's remorse about it.

Speaker 4 (14:37):
I mean, you can't keep everybody.

Speaker 9 (14:39):
And I think that they, I think they feel they
handled that situation the best they could. And here's the thing,
Nehemiah Pritchett, from my observations, I feel like Nehemiah Pritchett
had a good camp and played well in the preseason.
So I think that they, more than anything, they saw
that there were some veteran options out there that they
felt could be upgrades over what they had, rather than

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it being a, we regret we didn't bring back Reed
Woolen type situation. But, Certainly, it's easy to see why
all the moves that they have made through signings and
trades that it would suggest they are not happy with
what they have after their first two guys.

Speaker 1 (15:14):
Talk about Trevon Diggs. What's the situation there?

Speaker 9 (15:18):
Yeah, this was just simply a situation where because he's
only been with the team for like 10 days, even
though he played well in that preseason game against Kansas City,
it was a preseason game. they feel like he needs
that a little bit more time to get ramped up
so that he could play a full regular season game
and have a full understanding of this scheme that he

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has now jumped headfirst into. So John Schneider called it
the ramp up period. And obviously he wants to be here.
It was the team that he chose to sign with
late and free agency. So that was kind of where
that respect and culture comes in. Hey, we're going to
release you, but we want you back and you're going
to get to play at some point. And so that's,
the end game that they have here, there's really a

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lot of long-term plays, at least for the season with
the moves they've made. And obviously Terry on Arnold, that's
a long-term play beyond this year. Assuming that he doesn't
even play this season, who knows if he does or not,
but they're trying to look with a long-term lens with
a lot of these moves. And they're trying to make
sure that they have plenty of depth that when the

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injuries and stuff do happen, that they've got capable guys
ready to go.

Speaker 1 (16:25):
And they're not bringing in somebody off the street all
the time. Corbin Smith, Emerald City Spectrum, joining us at EmeraldCitySpectrum.com.
Three draft picks. Jadarian Price, your first round pick. Bo Stevens,
fifth round pick on the offensive side. And Julian Neal
on the defensive side, as you mentioned. So just three
of the draft picks make the initial 53, man. Now,

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of the draft picks who released, who do you expect
to see back on the practice squad?

Speaker 9 (16:52):
Well, the rookie corners, I can already tell you are
coming back. Michael Dansby and Andre Fuller are going to
be on the practice squad. I would anticipate that Emmanuel
Henderson is going to be here as well.

Speaker 1 (17:02):
Devin Eastern is the one that's going.

Speaker 9 (17:04):
To be interesting because I just didn't see enough in
training camp in the preseason. I felt like J.R. Singleton
was a much more effective player and J.R. Singleton is
also available to bring back. So is it possible they
could resign both those guys?

Speaker 1 (17:19):
Absolutely.

Speaker 9 (17:20):
But Eastern would be the one of those latter four
picks that I would feel least confident about getting to
come back.

Speaker 1 (17:26):
Uso Sayamalo was a star in hard knocks, and he's
kind of felt like him and Eastern were in that
same category. Is there a chance that they bring the
big fellow Sayamalo back on the practice squad?

Speaker 7 (17:38):
No.

Speaker 9 (17:41):
That would be very similar to me to Devin Eastern.
I don't feel like either one of those guys, that
is an instance where being a storyline on hard knocks
doesn't necessarily get you.

Speaker 3 (17:52):
Right.

Speaker 1 (17:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (17:52):
So I, I don't know that he is going to
be brought back in that capacity either, especially when you
have Brandon Peely on your roster. I, I just don't
know that they have the need to do that. I
think they would probably want the more versatile guy, which
Devin Eastern would fit that bill, but so does J.R.

Speaker 3 (18:07):
Singleton. J.R.

Speaker 9 (18:08):
Singleton's got some pass rushing abilities. So, It's possible that
any of those three could be back. I would say
it would go Singleton, and then I would say Eastern,
then Sumalo probably would be the order.

Speaker 1 (18:21):
Brandon Peele is a good story, too. I just want
to point him out for a second. I'm just going
through 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17.
From my count, 20 transactions since he came into the
league in 2023. Most of them would be the following. Waived, waived, waived.
claimed waved, et cetera. I feel like Brandon Peely has

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established himself as an NFL player.

Speaker 6 (18:49):
Yep.

Speaker 9 (18:49):
He's a great example of a guy that had to
scratch and claw. He was with multiple teams and then he,
you know, Seattle liked him, but we don't like you
enough to keep you on the squad. And we're, you know,
they gave him the $ 2 million contract. This off season
is a reward for his work last year, playing in
13 games. And there were still a few times he
was a healthy scratched. But, you know, he was a

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big-time contributor on that front line. I think he's become
a true NFL caliber nose tackle, which there's just.

Speaker 1 (19:18):
Not a lot of those hanging around in the league
these days. Corbin, I'm going to go back to the
receiver position. They've got right now five guys on the–
and before we get to maybe, you know, we'll see
if they– Ricky White and Manuel Henderson, those guys end
up on the practice squad probably. But right now they've
got five guys. But one of those guys is Torrey Horton.
Is there a concern at all about his health?

Speaker 9 (19:40):
Not from what Mike McDonald and John Schneider have said
in the last week. Now, maybe he isn't going to
be ready for week one. If that's the case, you
better have some receivers in your practice school. that are
going to be ready to come up, which no Manuel Henderson,
Ricky White, Cody White, those are all really good candidates
to do that. They can get back on your practice squad.
But my understanding from what Schneider and McDonald have said,

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this is not a long-term thing they're concerned about. It's
not like last year with the shin where it was
like a state secret. The thing is, we don't know
what the injury is though. Nobody has said what the
injury is, but it doesn't sound like this is a
significant one. So I don't think there's any reason to
be worried on that front. You can worry about the

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durability concerns as a whole with him because he had
some injury issues in college too, but I would think
that he's going to be playing sooner rather than later.
The fact they didn't put him at injured reserve as
well indicates that.

Speaker 1 (20:38):
I'll cater to your favorite position, the running backs. Jadarian Price,
George Helani, Emanuel Wilson. Brady Russell's a fullback, but those
three guys at running back. How should Seahawks fans feel
about that group?

Speaker 9 (20:53):
You know, if everybody's healthy, I think that that is
a more than capable backfield, and he got a lot
of different styles. I think all three of those backs
bring some different skill sets to the table. We haven't
gotten to see Price other than on the training camp field,
but certainly he's looked dynamic in that setting. You're going
to be throwing him into his first NFL game action
against the defending AFC champs, so that's going to be

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a little bit of a pressure cooker in week one
for him, but I think he's more than talented enough
to be able to handle that, and then You know
where I stand with Helani, and I think Helani is
just a rock-solid No. 2 back that's got the pass-catching
and pass-protecting skills. And Emmanuel Wilson was out there yesterday,
and he was doing some stuff. He's been dealing with
a hamstring injury, but before that, I thought he looked

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pretty impressive as a downhill, faster-than-you-expect, 230-pound battering ram. So
he's going to be the one that really fills Charbonnet's
role until Sharves is back, and I would anticipate that
they're going to try to get Jakardia Wright and or
Valus Jones back in the practice squad so they have
a little insurance there as well.

Speaker 1 (21:57):
A lot of people are talking about Valus Jones maybe
having the advantage over Jakardia Wright. Who do you think
fits better for what they need? And it doesn't mean
they couldn't join any time during the year either.

Speaker 9 (22:07):
You know, I think Valus Jones' ability to catch the
football really creates– makes him a really valuable chess piece
to have in your pocket to utilize. And at the
same time, every time Jakardi Wright plays, I mean, this
last preseason game, he had no blocking to speak of
in that game. But when he's had a little bit

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of blocking to work with, we've seen a really dynamic
runner at 220 plus pounds. So I'd actually lean towards
Jakardi Wright there if I had to pick one or
the other. But I think that Valus Jones gives you
a lot of flexibility to have both of them because
he's played receiver in the league.

Speaker 1 (22:45):
Just quickly on the defensive side again, the inside linebackers,
Thomas and Jones are the starters. Tyrese Knight had a
great training camp, great preseason. Patio gets kept, Patrick O'Connell
and Chaz Surratt. So you've got five guys. That surprised me. Okay,
and that was what I was going to ask you.
I thought Surratt was good. I thought O'Connell. Both those

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guys showed flashes, right? Tyrese Knight wasn't going anywhere. I
was a little surprised they kept both those guys. Doesn't
mean they can't. Hell, I could look up right now.
Maybe they put one of those guys on waivers. Who knows?
But I was a little surprised they kept those guys. Obviously,
they were worried about losing somebody.

Speaker 4 (23:20):
Yeah, they were probably worried about with both of.

Speaker 9 (23:22):
Them being really good special teams players that somebody was
going to pluck them up, but The thing that's weird
about it is in the past, they've been more than
happy to release Patrick O'Connell because they felt like they
could slip him through, but they must have had an
inkling that wasn't going.

Speaker 1 (23:36):
To happen this time.

Speaker 9 (23:38):
And Chaz Surratt was a little banged up last week,
so I actually wondered if he might be an injured
reserve candidate to try to stash him, but that clearly
was not the case there, and he was out practicing yesterday.
So that is a position that I could see some shuffling, though,
where One of those guys gets cut in the second
round of waivers, and then Seattle then signs a safety

(24:00):
or a corner or another position back onto the 53.
There's going to be some musical chairs.

Speaker 1 (24:07):
There always is.

Speaker 8 (24:08):
All right.

Speaker 1 (24:08):
When it's all said and done, three draft picks, two
free agents in Wilson and Dante Fowler Jr., and the
trade for Avery Smith. So what is that? That's six
total players. on the 53-man that at some point in
time were not here last year. People say Montori Foster
was here off and on. So just in terms of
guys that were either here, they were part of the,
as they like to call it, the 70-man roster with

(24:29):
the practice squad. They only have, I mean, when it's
all said and done, on the 53-man, six additions from
last year. Overall, thoughts on the strength of the roster
compared to the Super Bowl roster?

Speaker 4 (24:44):
I mean.

Speaker 9 (24:45):
the Superbowl roster was almost completely kept intact.

Speaker 4 (24:48):
There was only a few guys. We know they only
lost five guys in free agency.

Speaker 9 (24:51):
So it was going to be tough for these draft
picks to make this football team with how many guys
were coming back. This is still, this is still a
top two, top three roster in the NFL. And you
just didn't see a lot of these guys in the preseason.
So fans of course are like, well, I'm not sure
how to feel. Well, those guys will be back in
action on September 9th. You're going to get to see

(25:12):
your Leonard Williams is and, devin witherspoons and jackson smith
and jigbas of the world so this is still i
mean the fact that they only have that many newcomers
on the roster tells you all you need to know
about the strength of this roster returning from last year's
team that by the way was mostly a very young
roster that a lot of guys are still coming into
their prime.

Speaker 1 (25:33):
Finally uh our friends down in southern california in los
angeles california to be specific aaron donald is officially back
they added him they added Miles Garrett, then of course
they had the two corners in McDuffie and Jalen Watson.
Anything short of 17-0 in a Super Bowl is a
disappointment for them, right?

Speaker 9 (25:52):
You know, I think they've put themselves in a position
where they don't win 15 regular season games and don't
win the Super Bowl. That is a disappointment with what
they've done. I mean, they went out and got the
best defensive player in the world, and then they brought
the best defensive player in the world out of retirement.

Speaker 4 (26:09):
I mean, that's that right there.

Speaker 10 (26:11):
But, you know, I know some fans are going.

Speaker 9 (26:14):
To be like, I don't know if Nicky Manwari should
have tweeted what he did yesterday, but like, like, Hey,
all that for us, like the Seahawks are off. I mean,
the Seahawks are, I mean, this is going to be spicy.

Speaker 1 (26:24):
It really is going to.

Speaker 4 (26:25):
Be those two teams in San Francisco. Of course you
can't count them out.

Speaker 9 (26:29):
I mean, I, I think that they are probably, they
are probably the distant third in this division at this point,
in my opinion, but Kyle Shanahan may have something to
say about that, but I think that those two teams
at the top, man, that, that is going to be
an incredible battle to see who can get the bragging
rights at the top of that division and try to get.

Speaker 1 (26:50):
Home field advantage. I got one more for you.

Speaker 5 (26:52):
I forgot.

Speaker 1 (26:52):
I just want to get just touch, just a quick
thought on Jalen Milrow and his final preseason game.

Speaker 9 (26:57):
I thought he looked really good. That was the best
he's played in the preseason game. I thought he played
a lot more decisive. There were a few times that he,
held onto the ball too long or, you know, he
made a couple of throws that slipped out of his hand,
but I mean, he, he was throwing downfield. He was
being aggressive. He ran the ball a few times effectively,
but he didn't do it. Didn't force the issue with

(27:18):
that regard. I just thought he played with much greater
confidence and there was an urgency to him that I
think he needed to display a little.

Speaker 1 (27:26):
Bit in that game.

Speaker 9 (27:27):
And that's another reason why he is still on the
53 man roster. I don't think he was in trouble regardless, but, uh,
having a good performance like that certainly helped.

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Uh, we've got a bunch of new stuff for every
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I got a bunch of Seahawk stuff.

Speaker 9 (27:51):
I'll have some new articles up this afternoon and, uh,
We're going to have a new Seahawks podcast. I can't
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Let's talk soon.

Speaker 8 (28:31):
Sounds good, Ian.

Speaker 9 (28:32):
Thanks.

Speaker 1 (28:32):
That is our guy, Corbin Smith. We'll take a break,
wrap up Hour 1. We're mollywhopping, by the way. This
is a threat. This is your warning. We are mollywhopping
at 1 o'clock on 93.3 KGRFM.

Speaker 6 (28:46):
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Speaker 1 (29:04):
We have a couple of roster moves. We'll just real quick.
Cooper Criswell reinstated from the 60-day injured list. Nick Davilia
is on the injured list. Apparently he has a joint sprain.

Speaker 8 (29:16):
Weird.

Speaker 5 (29:17):
Yeah, he pitched yesterday.

Speaker 3 (29:21):
Hmm.

Speaker 8 (29:21):
Hmm. Hmm.

Speaker 1 (29:23):
Hmm. Cold Emerson goes to the 60-day injured list. He
was out for the year. We already knew that, so
those moves were made, and they're bringing up a top prospect.
We'll talk about that with Chris coming up tomorrow, officially.
I'm sure he's already there, but when the roster expands tomorrow. Montez, baby.
Let's go. What do you think?

Speaker 5 (29:43):
I think it's very similar to the Kate Anderson situation,
which I forget which series they lost right before he
came up.

Speaker 1 (29:49):
Don't look at the scoreboard.

Speaker 5 (29:51):
Don't look here.

Speaker 1 (29:52):
Don't look at.

Speaker 5 (29:52):
This bright, shiny new toy that you get to watch.

Speaker 6 (29:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (30:00):
Here's the thing.

Speaker 6 (30:02):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (30:04):
But I think it's hard, too. I mean, Kate Anderson's
handled it perfectly. He's been great. He's been really good.

Speaker 8 (30:11):
For sure.

Speaker 1 (30:12):
But you're bringing these kids up in a situation in
which you're playing for your playoff lives every day. It's
a lot. It's a lot different than Arkansas or Tacoma.

Speaker 2 (30:22):
Seems.

Speaker 1 (30:24):
Desperate or maybe what you said, a distraction. It's one
or the other.

Speaker 5 (30:27):
I think it's the latter.

Speaker 1 (30:28):
A distraction.

Speaker 5 (30:29):
Because if there's any desperation within that club, they're not
showing it on the field, I'll tell you that.

Speaker 1 (30:34):
No, they're not. No, they are not. Real quick, we're
going to switch to baseball. We'll get into some other
things in the 2 o'clock hour. Hugh may or may
not join us in the 2 o'clock hour for a
little hardcore real quick. It depends. I've got a couple
things going on, but he's on a... He's on a
game-time decision basis, is Millen, at 2 o'clock. So we
may get to him. Just a real quick riff on

(30:56):
college football for a second. I mentioned this at the
start of the show. Week Zero is fun.

Speaker 10 (31:01):
It's weird.

Speaker 1 (31:02):
My wife is sitting there going, well, these games matter?
Why do they call it Week Zero? I don't know.
If you're trying to figure out what makes sense in
college football, don't. It'll hurt your brain. But you know
what I think? I did find myself with a couple
overriding thoughts.

Speaker 3 (31:18):
One.

Speaker 1 (31:19):
watching the game in Virginia within Virginia and NC state,
it felt like college football, like in all the, and
what I mean by that, like, Oh, of course it did. No, no,
everything going on in the world right now with, with
that sport. And if, listen, it's the second most important
sport in our country behind the NFL in terms of ratings, revenue,

(31:40):
all those things. It's number two. I know we've got
the big, the so-called big four in terms of pro
sports and But if you just look at the numbers,
because the ratings are all cumulative, like if you just
add up college football ratings for a weekend, they're massive.
It's massive. It's a huge deal. And we've all gone
through this weird off-season with college football. And it's a
sport that I think if you're listening to this show,
if you're listening to this station, and especially, honestly, from

(32:04):
noon until 7, Softie loves college football. I love college football.
Yell and scream at each other. Cougs, Huskies, all that stuff.
I hate the Ducks. All those things. But if you listen, like,
you're probably a college football fan, too. Yeah. But it's
also been hard to be a college football fan. It's
been really hard because there's been so much, first of all,
and I think this is a deal. I think this
is something that matters, and we'll probably have Mandel on

(32:26):
on Wednesday. It's hard because, like, we're going to do
the first episode tomorrow with Alex and MK for the kooks,
talking kooks. It's hard because you don't know who the
hell's on your team anymore. Like, keeping track of it
is hard. You can't develop guys. They come and go.
But just the eye test, Virginia was a really cool atmosphere.

(32:47):
I think they had the largest student section they've ever had,
which was awesome. Place was packed, which is weird because
that game wasn't originally on the schedule to be played there. Remember,
it was supposed to be played in Brazil. And here's
the overriding thing. The most experienced Division I team in
terms of college snaps in the country is Virginia, and
they looked like it, and they just beat the doors

(33:09):
off of NC State. I mean, men playing against boys.
That's what that was. There is going to be a
lot of talk about the Apple Cup, and we'll get
to that later in the week. The thing with the
Apple Cup, and one of the reasons there's some frustration
on Wazoo's part is, sure, it's hard to develop guys. Well,
it's hard to compete with the money and stuff. It

(33:30):
just is. I mean, it was hard to compete with
Washington on their level anyway before. I mean, that's just
the reality of it. I mean, I know Cougar fans
get upset and Husky fans like to take jabs. That's fine.
But that's the reality. That's what it was. The problem
now is that you're going to have these teams that
are younger in the group of six and the non... Hell, honestly,
even in conferences not named Big Ten SEC, you're going

(33:51):
to have younger teams. That's hard to compete with. We
saw that on Saturday. Because your older players are going
to get scooped up and poached by other teams. It's not...
It's never been a level playing field. But before it
was a competitive playing field. That's the thing. Never was level... Like,
Washington's got more money than Washington State. Ohio State has

(34:15):
more money than Washington. We can just go on. You know,
there's always a guy, like the toughest guy in the block,
there's probably someone that can beat him up. That's always
the case. Well, in the case of college football, the
haves and the have-nots, the separation is greater. Thinking that
you're going to see an Appalachian State knock off a Michigan.
It's not going to happen. I mean, it just... And

(34:38):
then the hard thing is knowing who's on your team
and everything else. One thing is still certain, though. Stanford's
a joke. That's still 100% certain.

Speaker 5 (34:48):
You can always count on that.

Speaker 1 (34:50):
I mean, I know you're great and you win whatever
President's Cup or whatever the hell it is every year,
the All-Sports Trophy. I know that's a big deal for
you guys because you have more sports programs than anybody
else in the country. Like, literally, you have everything. And
you're good at everything except for the sports that matter,
football and men's basketball. And they had an announced crowd

(35:13):
of 23,000 in a 51,000 seat building on Saturday. It
was closer to 2,300 than 23,000. That's a power four
program in name only. In name only. Because that's an embarrassment.
That's an absolute embarrassment. USC didn't have people there, but Whatever.

(35:37):
I mean, USC had their own issues. It was hot.

Speaker 3 (35:40):
Whatever.

Speaker 1 (35:42):
They'll be fine. When they play a 5 o'clock game
in October, it'll be packed. But Stanford's a joke. The
only good thing about Stanford, Davida Pritchard got the win.
His first win as a head coach. That's cool. He's
a local kid. He's from Clover Park here in our area.
So good for him. Davida, Jack Thompson's nephew. But outside
of that, I want to bang my head against the wall.

(36:02):
It's like we want to talk about power. Power conference
is all we want. It's not a power school. Just isn't.
It is in terms of academics. It is in terms
of women's basketball, men's and women's volleyball. We go through
the list.

Speaker 5 (36:14):
We used to care about that stuff, but we don't anymore.

Speaker 1 (36:16):
Not anymore.

Speaker 3 (36:17):
All right.

Speaker 1 (36:18):
We've put it off long enough. The boys are standing by.
We're going to mollywop. After the Mariners got swept by
the Toronto Blue Jays from Toronto, Ontario, Canada, A. Swept
out of Canada. Swept all the way down to Boston.
What do the boys have to say? They're next.

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(37:05):
say his name?

Speaker 5 (37:07):
Dejan Jovalic.

Speaker 1 (37:08):
Two goals. That's pretty good. Nice debut. That works. Aaron
Donald officially returned to the Rams. Signed a one-year deal.
Messi retiring from the Argentina national team in soccer. Cowboys releasing.
This just came across. Releasing quarterback Joe Milton. I thought
he was the number two, but when they played here,
Sam Howell was taking snaps ahead of him. Sam Howell.

Speaker 5 (37:31):
Sam Howell.

Speaker 1 (37:33):
Listen, any starting quarterback goes down for any good team.
you're going to be taking a little bit of a
step back. I'll just ask you this. Donald goes down,
do you feel better with Drew Locke? Or if Doc
goes down, do you feel better with Sam Howell?

Speaker 5 (37:46):
I'll take Drew Locke.

Speaker 1 (37:46):
I think so. For sure. I might take Jalen Milrow
over Sam Howell.

Speaker 5 (37:50):
I think I would too, especially after Saturday.

Speaker 1 (37:52):
Seems a risky move, but Milton's kind of a knucklehead,
so there you go. All right, here we go. Molly
Whoppers right now.

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(38:21):
and Chris Crawford. With my O-Y, here's Ian Furness. All right, yes, indeed.

Speaker 1 (38:27):
What you've been waiting for as a Mariner fan probably
since the end of the game yesterday. Hell, you've probably
been waiting for this since Saturday, maybe even Friday. I
know that. We did cheat on Nathan a little bit.
We had a Chris Crawford sighting on Friday on the
radio show. To preview, Chris, I'm checking my notes here.
Did we not talk about the importance of this three-game series?

(38:47):
Did we not do that on Friday, how important these
three games were? Did I miss that? I.

Speaker 10 (38:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (38:56):
Yeah, we sure did, buddy. make a note of that.
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Speaker 1 (39:32):
Day one of school, I saw, right? First day of school.

Speaker 3 (39:35):
Yeah.

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It was a lost weekend. I'll joke an aside. As
we did talk about it on Friday, it was like, okay.
And I think we kind of agreed, too, Chris. Someone's
going to win two of three. No one's going to sweep,

(39:56):
and really nothing will have changed that much dramatically. Whoa,
were we wrong. So we had our say. We'll get
back to that in a second. Nathan Bishop, away you go.

Speaker 8 (40:09):
Well, I've been trying to think about how to talk
about this team after this weekend. You know what's amazing, guys?
This team is 11-15 in August. Does that sound disappointing?
I guess it's kind of disappointing. 11-15 is not great.
It's pretty freaking good when you've been outscored 160-87 for
the month. And they're 11-15 thanks to, I think, three

(40:31):
walk-off wins in this month. In the games they've lost
in August, they've been outscored 125-27.

Speaker 3 (40:35):
27 runs in.

Speaker 8 (40:41):
In 15 losses. I think this past weekend was it
for me. I love being able to put stuff on
tape that you guys can run back when I'm wrong
and just make me look really stupid, but let's just
do it right now. This team is fricking cooked that
loss yesterday. I know that there's some very, very stern
competition already in the clubhouse. I think that was the

(41:02):
low point of the season yesterday, getting absolutely manhandled by
42 year old Max Scherzer, who has been crap all
year long, in a one hit, seven nothing loss against
a really not very good Blue Jays team to end
the sweep when you know your season is on the line,
putting you in a situation where you have to go

(41:22):
17 and eight down the stretch just to get to 500.
This team is done, man. Their left side of their
infield is Brock Rodden and the ghost of JP Crawford.
There's broken parts all over the place. The starting rotation
is like spewing oil and catching flame everywhere it goes.
I think Bryce Miller is finding out a new role
that he gets every four hours or so right now.

(41:44):
He's a reliever. He's a starter. He's an opener. Now
he's a starter again. I mean, this is it. And
I watched my why last night. I'm sure everybody else did, too,
because if you aren't doing it, why or why? Why
even bother pretending to be a fan of this team
if you're not watching my why every single day? But
Chris is right. Nothing should be off the table. after
the way the season has gone, assuming that it doesn't

(42:05):
turn around. And I know we'll have more time to
talk about it, but this is just a comprehensive organization-wide
failure from top to bottom since George Springer hit that
three-run home run in Game 7 of the ALCS last year.
Everything from that point to right now is a cascading
series of failures that everyone should bear responsibility for.

Speaker 1 (42:26):
I was thinking last night, same thing, because I forgot
to hit the like yesterday, though. My apologies for my why.
But I thought it was the most aptly named thing
because I thought yesterday, my, oh, why? Why? Why? Like, why, Chris? Like, why?
Explain the why for me.

Speaker 7 (42:51):
You know, you know, you had a pretty terrible Seattle
sports weekend when the highlight is jail in Mill Road.
Like if that's the best thing you have to talk
about for three days. And you know, what's funny is
Nathan's right that they probably are cooked, but it reminds
me of my grandpa liked well done steak. And he
used to go to this place in Shelton and they

(43:12):
hated serving him well done steak. And then we call it,
they would serve him their beef jerky. And he would say,
here's your beef jerky, Ray. If the Mariners even make
the post season, they're the piece of crap steak that
nobody wants to eat. And this still isn't any fun.
This is just.

Speaker 1 (43:27):
An absolute failure.

Speaker 7 (43:29):
It's a failure of a season, even if a miracle
happens over these next 25 games and they make the
postseason and they won't do anything in the postseason. I
hate to be Randy Quaid in Major League Two, but
even if they do go to the postseason, what in
the hell tells you that this team can do anything
once they get there? Are you kidding me? And, you know,

(43:50):
I've talked about this a lot, but I made the
demands about them going to the World Series this year.
And ha ha, Chris Crawford, ha ha, you stupid idiot.
Number one, correct.

Speaker 1 (44:00):
Stupid idiot.

Speaker 7 (44:00):
But number two, my demands were not based on me
loving this baseball team and thinking that the roster was perfect.
My demand was based on you were eight outs away
from the World Series. You decided to run it back.
You made changes on the margins. So why shouldn't I
demand you go to the World Series? Why shouldn't I
demand that you take that next step? If you thought

(44:22):
it was good enough, why the hell shouldn't I think
it's good enough? And it's nowhere close to good enough.
And you know what? I'll just be honest with you.
Sunday was the first time in a long time that
I was embarrassed to be a Seattle Mariner fan.

Speaker 3 (44:35):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (44:36):
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That's until Aaron Donald becomes Aaron Donald again.

Speaker 5 (44:51):
Oh, gosh.

Speaker 1 (44:53):
Let's– which, you know, is an interesting thing now that
I think of it. So if you're the L.A. Rams,
you were one Zach Charbonnet picking up the ball away
from probably– from going to– more than likely going to
the Super Bowl. I mean, just with home field advantage
and everything else, right? You're that close. And you really

(45:15):
know that it's probably a 50-50 split between you and
the team that's in your division, Seattle.

Speaker 11 (45:23):
Sure.

Speaker 1 (45:24):
You could have run it back and probably been just
as capable of beating them as you would have been before.
You didn't. You went out and got Trent McDuffie. You
got Jalen Watson. You convinced Aaron Donald to come out. Oh,
and some guy named Miles Garrett. Like, you upped the ante. So, Chris,
I go back to what you just said. Does this...
this year in which, as Nathan mentioned, they're going to
be at best 12 and 15 in the month of August, right?

(45:46):
At best if they win today, but right now sitting
at 11, 15, they've had one winning month. That was
a month of May. And that was like a two game,
they're at 15 and 13 or something like that. Let's
just go back. Does this all stem from the off season, Chris?

Speaker 7 (46:01):
A large part of it does, you know, and there
are things that we couldn't have predicted, right? Like we
couldn't have predicted that, Cal Raleigh was going to have
his worst season by a long shot. We've talked about
it a bunch, but not just a disappointing season compared
to 2025, but a disappointing season compared to with other
seasons as well. Julio Rodriguez has been a very average

(46:24):
player at best. Josh Naylor has provided zero power whatsoever.
I don't think you could have predicted all of that stuff,
but you can say that this should have influenced them
to do more. It should have influenced more motivation to be, man,
let's do what it takes to make sure that we
actually accomplish that thing, that we are the only freaking

(46:46):
baseball team has never done in Major League Baseball. We
are the only team that hasn't done it. We were
so close last year. Let's make the necessary additions to
do more. And two, you can't guarantee it, but to
give us this best opportunity to finally do this thing, Well, no.
And unfortunately, it's also a lot easier to just rest

(47:10):
when you have the season that they did to say,
you know what? These are all young players. They're all
going to get better. We don't need to make those
necessary moves. So you can say it's a little bit
Captain Hindsight if you want, but it doesn't take that
much foresight to see that it would have been better
to make better auditions, to stabilize this bullpen, to make

(47:32):
the moves necessary to put them in that better position.

Speaker 3 (47:36):
And you know what?

Speaker 8 (47:37):
Can I name any of them?

Speaker 12 (47:38):
Nope.

Speaker 7 (47:38):
But thank God I'm not the president of baseball operations
or the general manager. They are, and they should have
made those moves. It's unfortunate that some of the stuff
I talked about happened, but they weren't prepared for those situations.
You know, they weren't prepared for, to put themselves into
a position to be ready to swoop when those things

(47:59):
started to happen, and they should have acted sooner. Kate
Anderson should have been here sooner. There should have been
other moves made in the offseason and in April and
in May and in June to right this ship too
little too late. Yeah, the offseason is a big portion
of it. You can point to all the things that
went wrong that they can't control, but they didn't put

(48:20):
themselves into enough control for it to matter.

Speaker 8 (48:25):
I agree with everything that Chris just said. My perspective
on this kind of stuff is if the way that
the Mariners had acted this for the past 12 months,
let's say 12 months, whenever the ALCS ended, since the
ALCS ended until now, if the way the Mariners had
comported themselves and the way that they had approached the
season and the off season and during the season and
all of this stuff had felt like a one-off, I'd

(48:48):
probably feel a lot more grace towards the organization about
the kind of outcomes that they're experiencing now. They're doing
the exact same thing that they've been doing every offseason
and every single time this decade. I mean, this is
a team that doesn't do good offseasons. The last time
they made the playoffs before this previous season was 2022,
and we ended up with Tommy LaStella at DH on

(49:10):
opening day. Every single offseason, what they're doing, what they're
attempting to do is not to leverage any sort of
opportunity to newfound heights defensively. looking to hedge against worst
case scenarios, fill in at the margins, like Chris said,
and assume that they're smarter and better at player development
and pitching development, that it will overcome the gap there.

(49:30):
And that's how they've been behaving for six, seven years now.
And what you're seeing this year is the failure of
that model when you don't hit on your development team
because what you're seeing is there was no plan here
for j everybody chris crawford has been talking about jp
crawford being terrible at defense for at least three years
this is a known thing we all knew that he

(49:53):
was at the end of his rope what was the
plan when it became clear within i don't know a
week and he could barely throw the ball to first
base There was no backup plan. There was no contingency.
And now as a result, you've rushed your star prospect
to the major leagues who you just extended for $ 95 million.
And guess what? You completely screwed up his first year
of development. His entire first season is a loss now.

Speaker 3 (50:15):
Completely.

Speaker 8 (50:16):
It's all being compounded because this team, to Chris's point,
will not take risk to be great. They are so
scared of failing if they actually try that they would
rather hedge And I know this because of their actions
and because they told you to your face that that's
what they were trying to do. So believe them when

(50:39):
they tell you who they are. And they keep showing
us time and time again. And frankly, I know this
is a little long-winded. I'm sorry. If this team makes
the playoffs, I know this is terrible. I'm going to
be upset. I don't want the people involved in this
mess to have any sort of validation. There should be
no escape hatch for this. They need to sit in
this and wallow in it. And that's the only way

(51:01):
I don't think they can change because I think they
think they're too smart. And I think that they just
think that the coin flips went against them. Prove me wrong,
fail here and change and make this organization.

Speaker 3 (51:12):
Great.

Speaker 8 (51:12):
That is my challenge to them. I am almost positive.
It will not do that.

Speaker 1 (51:15):
Well, I think it, well, you bring up Nathan Bishop,
Chris Crawford, uh, uh, my lot money brought to by
simply Seattle. Chris, he brings up that point. It's been
a topic in sports radio. You filled in for me
a few times. I'm sure you've seen texts as well.
There's people, there's people that are like, I just don't
even want them to make it anymore. Uh, I think
because people want change. I think it's at that point.
This is, to me, it's one of the strangest seasons

(51:39):
in sports for a team that I've been around, covered,
what have you, since I started doing this 30 years
ago when I was in Salt Lake. I've never seen
a team that has so completely turned off its fan base,
and yet they still have. stuff in front of them.
They still could get there. Now, you know, Nathan, I mean,

(52:00):
25 games left to finish above 500, which hell, maybe
that's not even needed to win the AL West, but
to finish above 500, they'd have to go 18 and seven,
11 games over 500. That's how deep in the depths
they are. They're nine under 500 right now. Guy in
the major league network said yesterday I was watching was like, well,
nine games under there. There's just, you can't battle back

(52:20):
from that. The problem is in the, in this year's
American league, you can't, I don't even know how people
here would even handle it because, again, Chris, you've seen it.
You hear it on MyOI with feedback as well. I
don't know what the fan base is. I've never seen
a fan base, Chris, I'll let you explain. I've never
seen a fan base so turned off by a team

(52:42):
that they're a fan of than this one, this year,
this particular year.

Speaker 7 (52:47):
I get the feeling. The positive thing to say is.
That they believe that taking a step back might lead
to steps forward, that if by this all going wrong,
then you make the managerial change, maybe even make bigger
changes than that.

Speaker 8 (53:03):
And you talk.

Speaker 7 (53:05):
About, sorry, I'm getting distracted here by a phone person
that will not leave me alone. I'm seeing it though.
And I think some of this might have to do
with We're pretty pumped up for the other team playing
in Seattle right now.

Speaker 6 (53:21):
Sure.

Speaker 7 (53:21):
That the Seahawks football stuff is something that we're all
real interested in. But I think there are people who
have just had a fricking enough man who have just
had enough of complacency and platitudes and selling us on
the farm system and all that stuff that it only
can take you so far. It can only keep a

(53:44):
fan happy for so long because, And you watch this
team play. And the other thing is, man, watching this
team is just it's a suckless joy.

Speaker 8 (53:53):
There's no life.

Speaker 1 (53:55):
There's no life.

Speaker 8 (53:55):
What's the term again?

Speaker 1 (53:56):
I got to write this one. It's suckless joy.

Speaker 8 (53:58):
It's a joyless suck factory.

Speaker 1 (54:00):
And I said it wrong myself. Joyless suck factory.

Speaker 8 (54:04):
And it's just I'm not wrong.

Speaker 7 (54:06):
I think I watched this team play and I talked
to others like they've completely lost my grandma. My grandma
has no desire to watch them. And when you've lost grandma,
who's been watching this team since Jeff Manto was traded
for Archimedes Pozo. And you watch this team just look
miserable out there. And she notices, she doesn't know where

(54:26):
the hell she is half the time, but she knows
that the Seattle Mariner team is not fun to watch.
I think people are tired of it. I think people
are tired of it and they just haven't embraced these
guys the way that I think so many have like,
People have really turned on Cal Raleigh. People have really
turned on him quickly. And a lot of that has

(54:47):
to do with what happened in the WBC, I think.
And they, you know, this is a fickle sports town,
if I'm just being completely honest with you. And a
lot of sports towns are. They did not forget that.
They did not forget about the Cal Randy thing whatsoever.
And I think people just haven't embraced this team and
they haven't made it easy to embrace.

Speaker 1 (55:09):
That's just unfortunate, man. I mean, I say this often.
I'll say it again. I've lived in and worked in
markets that don't have Major League Baseball teams, two of them,
Portland and Salt Lake. And a joyless suck factory is
a summer without Major League Baseball, like in your town.
But then you have this. And I think it goes back, Chris,

(55:29):
you brought up a great point. Nathan, I'll let you
expand on this. It's a great point because we have
a hard time as sports fans multitasking, I think, sometimes.
Like being fans of two things at once at the
same time. Like, okay, baseball's over. Now I can be
a Seahawks fan. All right, Seahawks season's over. Now I
can be a Kraken fan. Now I can be whatever fan,
Mariner fan. It's just we do all these things, right?

(55:51):
But I think Chris Nathan brings up a good point.
The bar is so high in Renton, and we're seeing
it firsthand on Hard Knocks. Like how they handle things.
You've got this GM who is, if we're being honest,
a GM who's kind of eccentric. He's his own guy.
He's far from buttoned down, but he's a Hall of

(56:11):
Famer without a question. And he's built two Super Bowl
champions from the ground up. He's made tough decisions, all
the things. And I think that that bar being set
that high, I think it does put pressure on the
other teams in this town. And frankly, Nathan, the baseball
team has not responded.

Speaker 8 (56:30):
No. And I do think that there's an element to that.
And I know that the Mariners at times can be
resentful of these kinds of things about the idea that
there are expectations. I know that there are people in
that organization who resented the idea that they were carrying
along the playoff list streak before they actually broke it.
They felt like that wasn't their mess and they were
having to bear all the brunt and the displeasure. From

(56:51):
the fans as they were trying to break that. And
I would assume for them, they feel a little bit
resentful that people expect them to be like the best
football team in the world, which plays right here. And
by the way, it's going to be super funny when
the Rams don't win the Super Bowl. I don't even
really care who does. It's just going to be really funny.

Speaker 1 (57:04):
When they don't.

Speaker 8 (57:06):
But yeah, I think that that's definitely a factor for them.
I think a thing that also just gets so– that
is so aggravating from the fan perspective with this kind
of season, you already touched on– This is probably the
worst American League, at least that I can remember. It
might be the worst American League in this country. If
the Mariners had, I don't know, had a C-minus offseason

(57:28):
or a D-plus and a D-plus season, they'd be in
first place in this division by three or four games.
All it took was... just barely regressing and they would
be coasting to the playoffs right now in first place
in the worst division in since 1994, when the season
got canceled and every team in the American league West
was below 500. So I think there's this understanding that

(57:50):
the art to, to achieve what this team wants to
achieve has been put so low for them this year.
They really don't have to do anything other than not
completely screw up in order to win this division. And
they couldn't even do that. And I think that really aggravates,
it aggravates me. And I'm a fan. I find it
really frustrating. And I bet a lot of other people

(58:12):
just look at this and like, dude, you could not
have an easier path. And you tripped all over yourself
trying to walk it. It's just so frustrating to watch.

Speaker 1 (58:20):
Chris, you're not in agreement.

Speaker 3 (58:21):
It is the worst.

Speaker 1 (58:22):
I mean, has American League ever been this down?

Speaker 6 (58:24):
No, no.

Speaker 7 (58:25):
This is the worst just league that I can remember
since like, those years where the nets were winning the,
the Eastern championships, like when they had to go up
against those guys, like it's, it's really bad. And you know,
the national league, I don't know what the odds are
on the gambling sites, but they have to be overwhelming

(58:47):
favorites to win it all. And that's part of what
makes it so frustrating, but you know, it's so it's
unfair to compare John Schneider and Jerry to Poto because it's,
You know, there are different circumstances here, but it is
so crazy how someone is so beloved because he's done
a great job, but also embraced the fan base in

(59:07):
such a great way. Jerry DePoto. has done a lot
of good things in my humble estimation. Not enough, but
a lot of good things. Embracing the fan base ain't
one of them. It just isn't one of them whatsoever.
And you can't help but compare the two. They're the
two major, all due respect to Jason Botterell, who just
hasn't been here long enough to compare. They're the two

(59:28):
compare and contrast, right? And I think both are talented.
I think both have made mistakes. I still remember Rashad
Penny and the defensive tackle they drafted who played negative
six games for him and a bunch of mistakes that
he's made. But he embraced those mistakes and he learned
from those mistakes.

Speaker 8 (59:44):
And he got better.

Speaker 7 (59:46):
And you look at Jerry DiPoto on the other side
and it's stubborn, stubborn, stubborn, someone else's fault, stubborn, stubborn.
You can't help but compare them. And unfortunately, this wonderful,
stupid TV show that we're all watching just kind of
inflates just how much better at his job. John Snyder
is than Jerry DePoto.

Speaker 1 (01:00:05):
Well said. Let's take a quick break. We'll come back.
We'll wrap it up on a segment. I'll ask Chris
about the call up tomorrow. Uh, well today, but slash tomorrow,
he'll make his debut. Uh, and then I'm going to
use a word that softy did on, I don't know,
multiple social media posts this weekend. It's accountability. Uh, and
we'll get to that a little bit next preview, the
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(01:01:05):
we got a call up tomorrow. Should we be excited? So, yes,
and also maybe no.

Speaker 7 (01:01:12):
So I've been a big Lazaro Montes fan for a very,
very long time. And there were some people who used
to work for MLB teams who thought I was a
crazy person for ranking him so high. So I'm taking
at least a little bit of a victory lap that
he got here because some people thought that there was
no chance that he would be a major league player.

Speaker 1 (01:01:31):
Ha ha, ha ha, ha ha.

Speaker 7 (01:01:33):
So at least he reached the majors. There is reason
for concern early on. This guy swings and misses a lot,
like a lot, a lot. And it's going to be
something to keep an eye on going forward. I will
also say that strikeouts are just outs. And when you
hit the ball as hard as this guy does, it's
going to help compensate for it. I think this guy

(01:01:53):
has a chance to be a legitimate middle of the
order hitter someday. Somebody who can, you know, his nickname
is baby Yordan, which is totally not fair because Yordan
Alvarez is one of the greatest offensive players of the
last decade or so. But he is a guy who
can hit 30 plus home runs, who can get on
base at a strong, because one of the things that
comes with the strikeouts is walks. And he is a

(01:02:15):
guy who has shown much improved patience. I think this
guy has a chance to be a well above average
offensive player who can hit in the middle of the
order someday. I will not be shocked at all. If
this first month is a major learning experience for him,
because you just can't simulate major league pitching. And when
you swing and miss a lot, it becomes really hard
to simulate what you're going to go through.

Speaker 1 (01:02:36):
Nathan, uh, we, uh, we were going to use the graphic, but, uh,
we didn't on Friday cause it's radio, but, uh, your graphic,
you sent us, how's the, uh, How's the ticker going?
It's now Taylor Ward and Rob Refsnyder?

Speaker 8 (01:02:46):
Yeah, I appreciate you bringing it to our attention. So
we've decided, since Rob decided to retire, to honor him
by comparing his replacement, which is Taylor Ward. So Rob
Refsnyder has 16 hits as a Seattle Mariner in 2026.
After the big knock that Taylor Ward had on Saturday,
kudos to him to temporarily put the Mariners in the lead,
he's now at seven. So Taylor Ward's at seven hits

(01:03:07):
and Rob Refsnyder is at 16. I think that Taylor
can get there before the end of the season. I
know we're all really pulling... really hard for him unless
he's going to lose out on playing appearances as the
season goes downhill and the team continues to work in
all of its prospects. But, Regardless, we're rooting hard for you, Taylor.

Speaker 3 (01:03:23):
Go get them.

Speaker 8 (01:03:23):
We think that you can exceed or at least match
the legendary output of 2026 Rob Refsnyder.

Speaker 1 (01:03:29):
We mentioned this on Friday, Anders and Chris and I,
that the graphic you sent us, it looked like the
Price is Right yodeling game or whatever the hell it is.

Speaker 8 (01:03:37):
The saddest Price is Right game you've ever seen in
your life. Also, really quickly, I think it's a very
inapt nickname to call Laz baby Yordan, not just because
it saddles him with unfair expectations, but because I'm pretty sure...
He's significantly larger than Jordan Alvarez. He really is. I
think that's the thing. Regardless of what else you see,

(01:03:59):
just take a minute to appreciate the sheer scope and
size of this human being as he steps into the
plate this is a guy that could be if you
were not born in cuba were born in america he
could be playing uh d1 tight end probably like he's
or or edge rush like he is rushing for sure
five 250 260 moves pretty good for a guy that

(01:04:20):
size like just enjoy the splendor of what what do
you call him it's the big beefy boys he's.

Speaker 7 (01:04:25):
A triple b for sure but he's like.

Speaker 8 (01:04:27):
They're they they don't get bigger or beefier.

Speaker 7 (01:04:30):
But there's nothing vogelbachian about him right like there's no
there's no uh you know he has not found the
cream cheese hot dog yet okay let's just be honest
here there is a this is a big old dude
if rob wrang sees this guy he's probably going to
try to convert him to go play uh d1 somewhere
on your.

Speaker 8 (01:04:48):
Sky he's going to hit a baseball yeah he will
hit a baseball between now in the end of the
season in the major leagues. And when he does, it's
going to be hit extremely hard. So enjoy the, the
aesthetic experience of whatever he's going to strike out a ton,
but I just can't wait to see him run into one.
Cause it could go 480 feet.

Speaker 1 (01:05:03):
I got just a few minutes left. Accountability soft. He
screamed and yelled on Instagram and Twitter all weekend about accountability.
We saw the bizarro play with behind him. We've seen
Julio be Julio. We've seen things like that. JP can't
get to a, what I think would be a considered
a routine ground ball on the way. Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:05:19):
Chris, is accountability an issue with this team? A thousand percent.
And it starts at the very, very top. It starts
with John Stanton. It goes down to Pobotopoto and Justin Hollander.
It goes to Dan Wilson. It goes to the players.
There just isn't accountability. And I think a lot of
people think that just looking like you're playing hard and

(01:05:40):
not smiling or whatever is accountability.

Speaker 1 (01:05:44):
Bullcrap.

Speaker 7 (01:05:45):
Accountability is taking accountability for your actions and then fixing
said actions, because you can say all you want about
how you were going to be playing harder and we're
going to do what we can to write this ship.
And how many times have we heard tough one tonight?
My God, if you're playing that game and drinking, do
not drive for the rest of your life. There's no accountability.

Speaker 8 (01:06:07):
There's none.

Speaker 7 (01:06:07):
There's zero accountability with this. And that's kind of, that
goes back to the Schneider to Poto comp comp too,
because when John Schneider's made mistakes, he's admitted his mistakes.
When's the last time you heard Jerry DePoto admit his mistake?

Speaker 6 (01:06:21):
Can't.

Speaker 3 (01:06:21):
Nope. Nathan.

Speaker 8 (01:06:23):
There are a few people I think on air in
local airwaves that have been meaner to John Stanton than
I have been. And I take that as a point
of pride. I don't apologize for it. He should sell
the team immediately to real people who actually want to
feel the winter in town. That said, the Mariners have
the 16th ranked payroll in major league baseball, which is
entirely too low for a team in the situation that
it's in of the 14 teams that have spent less

(01:06:46):
money on payroll. 11, Have better records. If you want
to talk about accountability, should the Mariners spend more money?

Speaker 3 (01:06:52):
Sure.

Speaker 8 (01:06:53):
Jerry's getting run in circles by guys that are supposed
to be not doing this. He should not have worse
records than the Cincinnati Reds and the Miami Marlins and
the Washington Nationals and all of these other guys are
supposed to be bottom feeders. So I don't think that
you can hold the owners accountable, really. but somebody should
be holding Jerry accountable for this because this is a

(01:07:13):
mess and he is not dealing with the bottom five
payroll and he's getting, he's just, you know, it's just
not good enough, man. And it hasn't been, it hasn't
been good enough for a really long, long, long time.

Speaker 7 (01:07:26):
But, but real quick on that. Number one, not an
excuse not to spend money. And number two, the person
who would hold Jerry DePoto and Justin Hollander accountable is
John Stanton. He is ultimately the one who decides who's
good enough to this. We are not the green Bay
flipping Packers. We don't get to vote on who gets
to be the general manager or who gets to do
this stuff. It's ultimately up to John Stanton and his

(01:07:48):
board members who decide whether or not this is good enough.
And this is good enough for John Stanton because the
attendance was great and he's going to make a lot
of money. And if he happens to win, so be it.

Speaker 8 (01:07:59):
Can I say one more thing really quick? Um, Oh, geez,
I just totally lost my train of thought. But I
think that, oh, gosh, no, forget it. It's totally gone.

Speaker 1 (01:08:07):
I don't remember right after we go off there. I'd
wrap it up with this, with that conversation. It's, yeah,
I mean, I think, can you imagine if the Mariners
had the Sounders deal? Were they, the fans got to
vote on if the GMs and stuff.

Speaker 8 (01:08:20):
And you know, I just remember too, all I wanted
to say is Jerry's been here for 11 years. And
it's true that in those 11 years, winning a division
title in two playoff appearances counts as one of the best,
eras in franchise history, that doesn't make it good enough.
And that's the distinction you have to draw anywhere else.
Any other franchise, the track record that Jerry has is

(01:08:41):
not good enough to stick around. The fact that it's
one of the best runs ever seen here is more
of an indictment than it is praise. I think we
need to be honest about that.

Speaker 1 (01:08:49):
Chris Boston, real quick thought on what they're going to
see the next three days.

Speaker 7 (01:08:53):
I'm a better baseball team, just a team that's, and
it's so crazy because it was a team that Anders
and I were talking about, Hey, this could be a
team you trade with, with Wilson Contreras. They are just
a more, they're not a great team, but they have
taken advantage of how crappy the American league is. They
have been the team that said, if you guys are
going to suck, well, we're going to play up to

(01:09:14):
an average level and that's going to be good enough
to get a second wildcard spot. So yeah, I have
my real doubts that they can win this series.

Speaker 1 (01:09:22):
God, Nathan, final thoughts from you.

Speaker 8 (01:09:24):
I enjoy that bull and Mariners because the Red Sox
are going to absolutely mow you down and they're going
to throw so many left-handers, which I still think should
be illegal. Guys should just not be able to throw
left-handed pitchers against the Mariners. It's not fair. There's no
way that Jerry could have seen that coming. Left-handed were
an unexpected development in baseball. So enjoy it guys. It's
going to be a lot of fun.

Speaker 1 (01:09:44):
The, um, Yeah, I– can Cal hit– what's Cal's situation,
lefty or righty? Can he hit better? Because it was
a lefty problem for a while.

Speaker 8 (01:09:54):
It looks like righty right now to me.

Speaker 7 (01:09:56):
Yeah, the last five, I believe, have been from the
left side, so that's been encouraging, but it doesn't matter.

Speaker 1 (01:10:03):
Nothing in life matters. Go Seahawks.

Speaker 7 (01:10:06):
Huskies, 49. Washington State, maybe 13 if they get one late.

Speaker 3 (01:10:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:10:13):
Go Western Washington. I don't think they have a program anymore. No,
they don't. No, they don't. You'll see. Tim Booth's in-state
college football rankings will come out on Saturday night, and
that'll send everybody sideways. Western will be ranked 10th out
of 10, even though they don't have a program, which
is one of my favorite things, especially when people actually

(01:10:34):
take it serious. How can you put Whitworth ahead of
the Huskies?

Speaker 3 (01:10:38):
Well, anyway.

Speaker 1 (01:10:39):
Um, guys, this was, uh, it was therapeutic, I think for, well,
hopefully for you, I'm sure for our listeners as well.
I've again, I'll just wrap it up. I've never seen
the frustration level of a fan base for a team
that still has a chance to do some things, but
people have just, they've turned on this team and it's just, it's, it's, it's, they,

(01:11:00):
if they don't get in, even if they do get
in and get whacked early on, whatever, uh, the off
season will be interesting. And of course, and that's a
whole different conversation because what kind of off season are
we going to have if there's a lockout or a
strike or what have you, right? So anyway, all right.
Greg Bell said earlier, it's going to, we can't wait
for Molly Wap Monday.

Speaker 6 (01:11:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:11:18):
Well, there it is. It's in the books. And more importantly,
we got the tracker going with Taylor Ward. The on
base machine before he got here and Rob ref Snyder.
So well done, Nathan. We'll look forward to having that
updated as the days go by. Of course, he doesn't
get a hit. I guess there's no update, right? So
we haven't seen an update for a while. That's a Saturday.

Speaker 8 (01:11:35):
We will update the tracker.

Speaker 3 (01:11:37):
You'll see it.

Speaker 1 (01:11:37):
Thank you, Chris.

Speaker 10 (01:11:38):
Mile.

Speaker 6 (01:11:39):
Why? Mile? Why?

Speaker 7 (01:11:41):
Boy, by the way, thank you guys so much. I
had my most viewed weekend ever. I believe the total
of 7,000 views over the last three days, which for
me is big time. that's going to make me about
$ 11 on YouTube. So I really do appreciate it. I
can afford to drive up to Seattle and host for
Ian in October or something like that.

Speaker 8 (01:11:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:11:59):
You know, I might take some time off. What the hell?
It's only football. It's only football. It's only football and
hockey season. You know, life is pain. It is.

Speaker 3 (01:12:05):
It is.

Speaker 1 (01:12:06):
It is indeed. But I'm glad to hear that mile
wide tonight after the game, go check it out. Because again,
the biggest part of that thing is why Chris, why,
why I'm asking why that's.

Speaker 7 (01:12:15):
What I titled the last two videos is why, and
then why care. And by the way, Also check out
Locked on Mariners with Andrew Searcy.

Speaker 1 (01:12:21):
There he goes. All right, boys. Nathan, go sell a house.
We'll talk to you soon. That's Nathan. That's Chris. We'll
come back with more 93.3 KJR FM.

Speaker 6 (01:12:32):
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Speaker 1 (01:12:48):
Thanks to the Molly Whoppers, Chris and Nate. Very spicy
couple of segments today with Molly Whop Monday. Therapeutic perhaps
for some. Expressing some frustration. Everyone's mad. Everyone's frustrated. Rightfully so.
I get it. We all get it. Yeah, man. Not

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a great situation right now for the baseball team. Good
situation for Kyle Raleigh, named the American League Player of
the Week. It just tells you, first of all, good
for him on what's been a Brutal year and probably
brutal on a lot of different levels, but good for him.
The odd part of that, Anders, he's American League Player
of the Week. Team went 2-4 during the week and

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sits nine games under.

Speaker 3 (01:13:35):
500.

Speaker 1 (01:13:35):
It just tells you that there's not just, rightfully so,
Cal has been in the crosshairs of a lot of
the criticism and the blame this year. Your best players
have to be good. They don't have to be great,
but they have to be good. He's been awful. So
it's like, well, maybe if Cal was better. Well, Cal
was better last week, and you still went two and four,

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which is telling, like really telling on a lot of levels, right?

Speaker 8 (01:14:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:14:03):
So, yeah, a little frustration.

Speaker 5 (01:14:06):
It's just I can't watch it anymore, really. It's perfect
timing for the Seahawks to be starting here pretty quickly.

Speaker 1 (01:14:15):
I think a lot of people, we're going to get
into that a little more as a topic tomorrow on
some stuff.

Speaker 12 (01:14:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:14:19):
Because I think there's a lot of people like that.
And again, mathematically, mathematically, the American League West is still there.

Speaker 5 (01:14:31):
I feel like Nathan, I almost hope they don't get
it now.

Speaker 3 (01:14:33):
I really don't.

Speaker 1 (01:14:34):
That's been a topic of conversation on a number of
shows lately. I know the guys in the afternoon have
talked about that a handful of times. And they're not alone.
You're not alone. There's a lot of people that way.
I can't bring myself there yet, but I wish we

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could put our finger on what it is about this
team that has caused that emotion like you just mentioned.

Speaker 5 (01:15:05):
This is as apathetic at this point in the season
than I've felt. And I'll just tell people you're a
dire baseball player. Yeah, well, even in 23 and 24,
the Mariners missed the playoffs. There was this feeling of, okay,
they can tweak a couple things. The team's still battling.
In 24, when they replaced Scott Service with Dan Wilson,
they went on a run to end the year. In 23,

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they missed it by one.

Speaker 3 (01:15:29):
Game, and.

Speaker 5 (01:15:32):
They ended up having one of their worst off-seasons, which
is saying something after that. But it felt like they
were still... pretty close. This year, it feels like, okay,
what if we actually need to make some big changes here?
And the worst part about it, the thing that makes
it the most apathetic is the fact that you know
it's not going to happen. And so it's just like,

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all right, why even care at this point if this
is all you're going to shoot for?

Speaker 1 (01:15:56):
Yeah, there was a, you know, I always kind of
look back. There's that stretch from 2007 to 2010. They
had five different managers in four seasons. Hargrove, McLaren, Riggleman, Wakamatsu,
and Brown. Like that, you kind of feel like there's
a low point, but there's different types of low points.
The low point this year is the fact that the

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expectations were such, and they're not being, not only not
being met there. I mean, it's just, and it's been
that way all year. And just real quick, I think
part of it too, is it, it's been that way
all year. Like if it's one thing, if you're like
playing well, blah, blah, blah. And then you hit a
skid like, oh man, if not for that 10-game losing streak,

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we'd be fine, right? That's not the case. That's not
the case. So what were you going to say? I'm sorry.

Speaker 10 (01:16:46):
No, I know. You're good.

Speaker 5 (01:16:47):
It's just for those who... And I've seen this sentiment
pretty frequently. For those who say, oh, maybe they weren't
as talented and we weren't right to have those expectations.
And Chris kind of alluded to that. It wasn't just
us here in Seattle. It wasn't just.

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The Mariners themselves, the entire league expected the Mariners to
easily walk through the AL West and be that team
that's one of the best in the American League. Even
up until the last couple weeks, the Mariners were still
favored as the second or third most likely team to
win the World Series because of how much talent that

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everyone sees them having. And that's Vegas. And they have
no other.
Agendas to meet there besides who's actually going to be
the one to do it. So it's, it's, it's mind
boggling to me how it's come to this point. Um,
and I, I expect, I don't expect, but I hope
at the end of the day, there's some changes.

Speaker 1 (01:17:49):
Hardcore football. One, just one quick segment today. Hardcore football
with Hugh Miller next.

Speaker 6 (01:17:56):
Now from the star rental sports desk, your 93.3 KJR
FM sports headlines.

Speaker 1 (01:18:04):
Ross Bucure's light juice, chill. The Mariners got swept in
Toronto versus the Blue Jays over the weekend. Five games back,
the Wild Card and AL West start a series with
Boston today. About 3.45 our time. We should mention Cal
Raleigh is named the American League Player of the Week.
Had a big week last week for Seattle, while the
team did not, but he did. Seahawks make final cuts.

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53-man roster. Javon Diggs cut. He re-signs with the practice squad,
at least expected to. They haven't announced that officially yet.
Ranked number five in the NFL Top 100. Sam Howell
is the backup quarterback in Dallas. They cut to the Cowboys'
Joe Milton today. Sounders drew with Chicago over the weekend 2-2.
Aaron Donald's back. We all know that. And Lionel Messi

(01:18:45):
retiring from the Argentina national team as well. Hugh Millen
standing by.

Speaker 6 (01:18:52):
Your home for the 12th man in the NFL proudly
presents Hardcore Football with Hugh Millen.

Speaker 1 (01:18:58):
Brought to you by Hunt Services.

Speaker 6 (01:19:00):
Hit on the horn and call Hunt. Now here's Hugh
with Ian Furness on Sports Radio 93.3 KJR-FM.

Speaker 1 (01:19:09):
All right, Hugh Millen joins us. Normally earlier in the
show on a Monday, we've got some scheduling things that
we did, so I did not want this Monday to
go by without a Hardcore Football Edition with Mr. Millen
after the cut-down day, final preseason game, all that fun stuff,
so he's with us here for a segment.

Speaker 10 (01:19:24):
Hello, sir.

Speaker 1 (01:19:25):
Thanks for doing this. Great to be with you, Ian.
Let's get to it. Anything jump out at you before
I want to get into a little hardcore with Jalen
Milrow in a second, but before I do that, anything
jump out at you with the cut-down day yesterday?

Speaker 11 (01:19:40):
I would say primarily the safeties that, uh, you know,
you look and only three guys that have a safety
next to their name, Julian Love, Ty Okada, and Nick Emanwuri.
And Emanwuri, as we've discussed, uh, he's really a strong
outside linebacker. Uh, star, uh, is a term that is

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used by, uh, uh, Nick Saban. So therefore, uh, a
lot of, uh, a lot of, uh, the college football
and a lot of football period, uh, use that term.
Carl Scott coached with Saban, uh, who's the, uh, the
DB coach for the Seahawks. So at any event, um,

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that probably surprised me because that means that if you
had to play tonight, there's only two guys on the
roster and there are two high team. They're in the
top five in the league in terms of their use
of too high. So they're back in safety. There there's
only two guys.

Speaker 1 (01:20:37):
Yeah. So, that's going to change.

Speaker 2 (01:20:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (01:20:39):
And so that probably surprised me the most. Um, yeah, that, that, and, and,
you know, the cornerback position has been a position in
flux all summer. So that didn't really surprise me, but
I think that secondary is feeling a little bit undernourished
right now.

Speaker 3 (01:20:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:20:57):
They, they're playing a little, you know, roster gymnastics, I guess, and,
and banking on some guys being vested veterans and getting
them back. And, Doing whatever Schneider does, but yeah, we
would expect to see D'Anthony Bell and maybe Thomas back
as well. We'll see. All right, let me get to
Jalen Millrell. I just mentioned the headline that Sam Howell
is the backup quarterback in Dallas this year. For a

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Cowboys team, and there's context to what I'm saying here,
for a Cowboys team that has very high expectations in
the NFC, they gutted their defensive staff, added to that
roster on the defensive side. They had a top-five offense
and a bottom-three defense last year. But they got Dak Prescott,
and if something were to happen to him, it's not
Joe Milton, it's Sam Howell. I'd be terrified if I

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was a Cowboy fan with that. Drew Locke, he's not
Sam Darnold, but I think, you know, okay. Number three
in Seattle is Jalen Milrow. And we were all wanting
to see the quarterback position. You know, everyone knows, so
damn important. Developing a guy is hard to do. You
just don't have the space on a roster and the
time and the practice. You've talked about that a lot.

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But they have a guy that has a skill set,
and I know they want to see something move forward.
I bring up Sam Howell. We know what Sam Howell is.
We've seen him here. We've seen him in Washington. Whatever.
Jalen Milrow, we're just scratching the surface. From last year,
training camp, final preseason game, what have you seen from
Jalen Milrow, and is it giving you any optimism for

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what he could be in a couple years?

Speaker 11 (01:22:24):
Well, first of all, I think Joe Milton, that surprised
me because when he played against Seattle, Yeah. He had
a couple completions over the middle. I was watching the
end zone copy, and I have this affinity to quarterbacking,
and I just thought it looked so pretty how he
was like this beautiful, efficient mechanics. I mean, it looked

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dead-ass perfect how he threw the football and the way
he ripped it in there on some intermediate crossing routes
really impressed me. So I'm surprised. to know that Milton is–
I don't know, is he on the streets? Did he
get picked up? Well, they just released him today. Yeah,
so as for Jalen Milrow, I thought it was a

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really good night for him Friday. Now, personally, I don't
think that means that you're out of the woods. He's
had six preseason games, and he's played well in one
of them, and yet it's the most recent. So that's
a good thing for him, and it certainly– lends itself
to the idea that he has made improvements since a
year ago when he started and played all of the

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Green Bay game in the last preseason game, right? But
he throws the ball to Cody White on a post
route where the five-man rush, so you got just a
six-man match zone type concept, which is normally three deep,
three under. It happened to be two deep. And so
when the safety came down, on uh on his left

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then then he he had cody white to just beat
the safety and the corner on that side leans out
outward crosses his face and then then you have to
worry about the backside corner the corner from milrose left
as he's throwing the ball right to left uh he
just put it in a perfect spot that was beautiful
uh you know he hit mark uh elijah roya on

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a a little glance route a little skinny post from
the tight end where he play action And I love
the timing on it because he went five steps, turned
back to the defense, gets his feet wide, and then
turns with absolutely no footstep. He just rotates within his shoes,
and he gets his hips into the ball. And it

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ends up being 24 yards, but the last 10 of
which were because he got the ball to the tight
end early enough. Arroyo makes the nickel throw. Here's that
term again, that star coming from the other direction. He
made that guy miss and then get 10 more yards.
So that run after the catch doesn't happen unless you're
playing on time from playing under center and shotgun. You know,

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he hit Montori Foster on a dig route, an in-breaking
route in between the two hook defenders. Those are the
shallow inside defenders. And he anticipated a window, got in there.
A couple more beautiful job of navigating the pocket on
a cover zero, on a six-man blitz, on just a

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six-man protection. The Seahawks picked everybody up, but things were
kind of closing in on him. He shuffles to his left,
closes his hips, and at that juncture, it's advantage to
the defense. At that point, if he just frees the tape,
but then he whips his hips back out, throwing position.

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Hits Henderson over the middle for 26 yards on a
catch and run there. That was beautiful. And lastly, a
corner route, often termed a shake route, which is a
hard lean to the post and then back to the corner.
And this was play action to his left, turns, finds

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the route, and it.

Speaker 1 (01:26:10):
Was good coverage.

Speaker 11 (01:26:11):
But he just put it in a near perfect spot
out to the sideline, 26 air yards on that completion.
All those completions I just described, the ball was in
the air more than 10 yards. And in the preseason,
he had eight completions with air yards of 10 or more.
Five of them were Friday night. So he had a

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clean pocket. He was 12 of 17, 147 yards. And
And then he made the play action game work, whether
it was under shotgun or from shotgun or under center,
seven and nine, 103 yards. That's the way the Seahawks
want to play. So he took a big step forward.
He didn't take a step forward to go get Drew

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Locke at the number two, but at least he got
people's concerns assuaged momentarily for Seahawks. the direction he was
going because it felt like he was treading water until
Friday and then he had a really good night.

Speaker 1 (01:27:06):
Yeah. Well, and it just, you know, as, as cut
down day happens and you see rosters around the league
and I look at guys, you know, not the 32 starters,
but the guys that are the twos, right. Or even threes.
And there was, I think it was four teams. Now,
one of those was Minnesota and they let Brosmer go today, but,
but there were four teams initially on the cut down
to 53 that kept four quarterbacks on their 53 man roster,

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which is kind of crazy, I think, you know, in
a sense, right? Like you're like, well, you're keeping all
these guys, four quarterbacks seems out of the ordinary. But
I think what it does show you is that there's
an urgency. I won't use the term desperation, but I
think there's an urgency around the NFL to not just
find the guy, but also to have some quality depth

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at that position. And I've kind of, you and I've
talked about this on and off the air. I think
the cool thing with Milrow is there is no sense
of urgency. Like he didn't have to be ready today.
He doesn't have to be ready today, tomorrow. I mean,
they've got a four-year window with a third-round pick to
kind of get him there. But that's only good if
you see development. And from listening to you just now,
they probably are looking and saying, okay, we're seeing him

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take steps forward, not to the level of Drew Locke,
but we're seeing levels of movement on an upward trajectory.

Speaker 11 (01:28:17):
I would think that they would want– In their private
desires to have Milrow be the number two next year.

Speaker 1 (01:28:24):
Yep.

Speaker 11 (01:28:25):
He would still have two more years after this year
on his contract. And Drew Locke, his contract's up. And obviously,
you're looking to save a buck. And maybe if Milrow
can present a different flair with his style.

Speaker 1 (01:28:39):
Mm-hmm.

Speaker 11 (01:28:40):
A more athletic flair, then that would be desirous of
the Seahawks for a year from now.

Speaker 1 (01:28:46):
But he's not ready.

Speaker 3 (01:28:47):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:28:48):
I don't think anybody's thinking that. And just a thought.

Speaker 11 (01:28:53):
As an aside to what you were saying, I think
the league should just mandate there's three quarterbacks, period. Every
three quarterbacks have to dress. It doesn't matter when you
play in the game. None of this business about if the,
you know, the third guy goes in, then the second
guy can't go in after.

Speaker 1 (01:29:07):
Right.

Speaker 11 (01:29:08):
And the way I could sell it on them is,
is the, the safety, the safety part of this. I mean,
if you only dress two guys that let's say, let's
say the starter goes down with an unequivocal injury. Well,
Then now the backup is in a hell of a
position because, you know, a moderate injury that would ordinarily say, hey,

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sit out, you know, you get hit in the head
and you're like, oh, hey, you know, maybe let me
go in the tent for a minute and, you know,
see if, you know, how I'm doing, clear the cobwebs,
whatever it is. There's no third guy to go on.
And now all of a sudden your teammates are looking
at you like, dude.

Speaker 3 (01:29:43):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:29:44):
Like, what if this is a vital game? Well, we
saw that in the NFC Championship game with the 49ers
a couple years ago.

Speaker 11 (01:29:49):
Purdy rips his elbow up, and he ends up having
to go back in. So now his ulnar collateral ligament
is on a string, and he has to go out
there and throw a football. But his teammates are going,
All we need is one pin, Rodney. All we need
is one completion to get in field goal range. And

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that's just not fair to do to guys. And there
was concussion elements to that, if I remember as well.

Speaker 6 (01:30:17):
There was.

Speaker 1 (01:30:18):
Was it Josh Johnson, I think, was the backup? Josh Johnson, yeah.

Speaker 11 (01:30:22):
So now, all of a sudden, you're a guy. And
I've actually been in this situation. I handled it myself.
But I got hit in the face once. This is
back when. you know, they could smack you in the face.
There was no penalty. You look at a referee and say,
what's the problem? You're wearing a helmet.

Speaker 3 (01:30:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (01:30:38):
You know, I got smacked in the helmet, uh, uh,
helmet to helmet, the first play. And I knew I
was concussed.

Speaker 3 (01:30:44):
Right.

Speaker 11 (01:30:46):
And I'm like, well, do I tap out here? Um,
you know, I could go out there and play worse
and that that's not going to help the team or me.

Speaker 3 (01:30:55):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:30:55):
Um, you know, and I'm, I'm sitting there, I'm not
telling the trainer nothing.

Speaker 6 (01:30:59):
Right.

Speaker 11 (01:30:59):
And I'm on the sideline and I, I resolve, well,
I'll go out. And I'll just kind of, I won't
try and, you know, push the ball down the field.
You know, maybe I'll hit a check down. That was
kind of my thought at the time, but I, I,
you know, kind of cleared up and, and went out
and everything was fine. Um, you know, probably should, um,
bang my head on a, on a wall in the

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locker room, uh, more often because it seems like that
was the only time I played well is when I
thought I was concussed. So, um, it worked out okay, but, um, But,
you know, think of the– that just underscores the type
of circumstances that we could be dealing with with this
ridiculous idea that you only dress two quarterbacks. Dress three,

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mandate it, take it out of the team's hands. All
three guys got to be dressed, ready to go, and
it doesn't matter. You can play the third on the
second play of the game. You can yank them out, in, out.
You're paying them the money anyways. So what does it
matter which quarterback's on the field? Let the coach determine
and not have to worry about, well, if the second stringer–

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you know the rule. If the third stringer goes in,
then the second stringer can't go in. And I know
they say, well– because they were using the third quarterback
for other positions– That's a really simple rule. Just say, hey,
if the third quarterback, he has to take the ball
from under center or from shotgun. He's not allowed to

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line up and go wildcat. You can just say, you
know what? That would be a very simple rule. The
designated third quarterback, if he's in the game, he has
to be the quarterback. He has to take the ball
from center. That is not a difficult rule.

Speaker 6 (01:32:43):
No.

Speaker 11 (01:32:43):
To, to enact in order, you know, with the objective again, to, to,
to have three quarterbacks and, and, and avoid some of
these injury situations.

Speaker 1 (01:32:53):
Anyway, sorry. No, I'm with you. That's a little bit
of a tangent I went on. I'm with you. I mean,
Mike Holmgren talked about that for years is on our,
on our station is that, you know, Hey, need it like, like,
and he said, when they go to the competition meetings,
they always kind of push back was like, if we,
you know, maybe, maybe make the roster 54 and that
54 spot has to be what you just said, a
third quarterback. And Mike would say the pushback from owners

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was money or what have you. And I'm like, God,
if there's one league that can afford it, it's this league.
But you're paying them anyway. I know. It's ridiculous. If
you're on the 53, you're getting paid.

Speaker 3 (01:33:23):
100%.

Speaker 1 (01:33:24):
Let me get to this real fast because in the
last couple minutes here, before we got to wrap it up,
you referenced and kind of mentioned the cornerback position. I
want to go back down that road for a second.
Right now, Witherspoon, Nehemiah Pritchett, Josh Jobe, Julian Neal, and
then they traded for Avery Smith from the Chargers, who's
probably going to get cut, but they gave away a
late draft pick for him to bring him in. Those

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are your corners. You've expressed some concern with Jobe a
little bit. We have no idea about Julian Neal, right, Hugh?
We haven't seen him at all. We have no idea there.
That's a great unknown. You've seen enough Pritchett. Where does
Hugh Millen stand on the cornerbacks right now? Well, I
I'll just go back to what I thought of them

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in the Superbowl. I thought that on a, on exceedingly
good defense, if you're trying to find any, uh, any weakness,
it was in the person of Josh Jobe, in my opinion.
And that's not to denigrate him. I think he's a
solid corner, but on a defense where you're looking at
stars everywhere, I'd rather go after Josh Jobe than Reek Wollin. And, um,

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and so, you know, off Reek Wollin goes.

Speaker 11 (01:34:34):
So, So now that elevates Josh Jobe, but then where
you are on the rest of it, Julian Neal, third
round draft pick, you know, Shaq Griffin was a third
round draft pick and started first game as a rookie,
if I recall. So it wouldn't have been unheard of
had that happened, but his injuries have presented that, prevented that,

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but he's six, one and a half. And, you know,
he's got some some skills. And so you, you, you
don't want to put them on any PUP or IR
or anything. So, so you just kind of navigate these
few days until he's up and ready to go. I
watched a little bit of tape on Avery Smith. I,
you know, I don't see anything really special. I mean,

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he looks like he just looks like a good player,
you know, kind of a fringe back of the roster
type guy.

Speaker 1 (01:35:22):
He's 141 snaps, 52 were in the outside. So that's
a good number on the inside.

Speaker 11 (01:35:28):
And so I think as much as anything, that's kind
of a nickel-dime acquisition for a guy who can play
inside on the slot.

Speaker 1 (01:35:38):
By the way, the Seahawks just as of a minute ago,
as we were talking, they announced their practice squad, Hugh.
I'll just bang it through for you real quick. React
on the fly. Tackle Logan Brown on the offensive side.
I'll stay on the offensive side. Tackle Logan Brown. Wide
receiver Julian Hicks. Wide receiver Emmanuel Henderson Jr. Also, Valus

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Jones Jr. to Cartier Wright. The running backs, Ricky White III,
who's a receiver, return man, special teams guy. They get
Frederico Marin Jens, he's the foreign player, so they get
the extra player there. Those are all on the offensive side.
On the defensive side, Michael Dansby, Trevon Diggs, the corners. Also, A.J. Finley,

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Andre Fuller, another corner. Safety, Maxson Hook. That was Marshawn's
buddy from Hard Knocks. Aidan Hubbard, defensive end, Marvin Jones,
a pass rusher. and Uso Sayamalo. The tackle's been featured
in Hard Knocks and Rodney Thomas, so that's your practice squad.
So they get Diggs onto the practice squad. He'll be elevated,

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so I guess that is a good transition, real fast
to wrap it up. Trevon Diggs, he's going to be on.
They'll bump him up for sure. They're just trying to
get him up to speed. Yeah, and you saw him
as they had to bump over on on the switch
there in man-to-man coverage, he had Worthy. He was arguably
the fastest receiver in the NFL. And he had to

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run stride for stride with them on an intermediate route,
and he diagnosed the crossing route, got underneath it, and
made a play on the ball, which is not surprising
because he had 11 interceptions one year. A couple of
those guys that I really like– Oh, where's my notes?

Speaker 3 (01:37:27):
24.

Speaker 1 (01:37:27):
What's the safety? 24. That'd be Rodney Thomas.

Speaker 2 (01:37:31):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (01:37:32):
I liked him. 62, the backup center. Was he?

Speaker 10 (01:37:35):
Meringes.

Speaker 1 (01:37:36):
Yeah, he's a foreign player, yeah.

Speaker 11 (01:37:38):
I really liked him in the game there, but I
didn't even know he was a foreign player. I just
like 62. Hicks, I'm surprised. I saw nothing there. But 84,
really love the fact that they got him back, Henderson, right?

Speaker 1 (01:37:52):
Yep, Manuel Henderson Jr.

Speaker 3 (01:37:53):
yep.

Speaker 6 (01:37:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:37:54):
Hicks was war. He wore number one the other night, right?

Speaker 3 (01:37:57):
Yes.

Speaker 6 (01:37:57):
Yes. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:37:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (01:37:58):
That, that, that, that was nothing there. So I think
it's a mix of mostly, you know, Finley.

Speaker 3 (01:38:03):
Great.

Speaker 6 (01:38:03):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (01:38:04):
Um, and then, um, who's, uh, who's the, the defensive end? Uh,
they got Hubbard and Marvin Jones.

Speaker 9 (01:38:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (01:38:13):
There's, there's one other model. No, Ed's got an outside linebacker.
You just mentioned.

Speaker 1 (01:38:20):
Hang on, I'm banging through it.

Speaker 3 (01:38:21):
Hang on.

Speaker 1 (01:38:22):
Finley, Hooks, Hook, Aiden Hubbard, Marvin Jones Jr. Yeah, they
don't have an outside linebacker. Oh, all right.

Speaker 8 (01:38:30):
All right.

Speaker 1 (01:38:30):
Unless you're looking at Marvin Jones Jr.

Speaker 2 (01:38:33):
No.

Speaker 1 (01:38:34):
I didn't see much from him. Devin Eastern, I forgot
to mention him. So they keep the two D tackles,
Devin Eastern and Sam Mollo. You know what's interesting as
I look through this? It's all their guys. which, you know,
like a lot of times, this is like people poaching,
and it feels like Schneider likes to go get the corner,
like we mentioned, from the Chargers. But, yeah, it's all
their own guys that they brought back. And I think

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all of their draft picks, right? Yeah, I think all
their draft picks, too. So, yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:39:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:39:03):
Jared Ivey was a guy. Did they bring back Jared Ivey?
He got claimed today by Cleveland, I believe it was. Oh, okay. Yeah,
he got claimed. He was– An enigma, to say the least.

Speaker 11 (01:39:14):
His best plays were out of sight, and his worst
plays were shocking. The gap between his best and his
worst was about as big as you'll ever see for
an August tape review. At any event, they're betting on

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the come. That was an interesting study, Jared Ivey. Because
they thought that they had something there with him.

Speaker 1 (01:39:41):
Yes.

Speaker 11 (01:39:42):
But then watching him move in space, he looked so stiff.
And then when they tried him at the three technique,
he just stood up and it was like a traffic cone,
a large traffic cone. But then he had a play,
I think the first play of the game.

Speaker 3 (01:39:56):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (01:39:56):
Or the second play of the game. It might have
been first play of the game.

Speaker 11 (01:40:01):
He brought some violence. The right guard for the Chiefs pulled.
And Ivy just literally bobblehead him. And you're like, oh, Lord.
And so the good and the bad. But anyways, that's
somebody else's enigma now.

Speaker 1 (01:40:18):
Are you more at four with Softie today? I think
we're going at five. Five, more at five.

Speaker 11 (01:40:23):
Yeah, we're going to give this.

Speaker 1 (01:40:25):
scintillating segment, some breathing room. I love it.

Speaker 3 (01:40:28):
I love it.

Speaker 8 (01:40:28):
All right.

Speaker 1 (01:40:29):
I will check with you later on, man. Thanks for
popping on today. I appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (01:40:32):
There you go.

Speaker 1 (01:40:32):
That's our good friend. That's our good friend, Hugh Millen,
joining us here on the Beacon Plumbing Hotline. All right.
We'll take a break.

Speaker 10 (01:40:38):
Come back.

Speaker 1 (01:40:38):
Your techs talk backs as well. We'll check those next.

Speaker 3 (01:40:40):
93.3 KJFM.

Speaker 6 (01:40:45):
Snoqualmie Casino and Hotel on Sports Radio 93.3, KJR FM.

Speaker 1 (01:40:56):
I'm going to check something here as I look at
the text, 49451. I just went through this.

Speaker 3 (01:41:06):
Where is it?

Speaker 1 (01:41:09):
Ah, let's see here. Somebody asked a good question on
the text line, 49451. No D'Anthony Bell. I'm making sure
I didn't.

Speaker 6 (01:41:20):
Nope.

Speaker 1 (01:41:22):
Brown, Dansby Diggs, Eastern Finley.

Speaker 10 (01:41:24):
A.J.

Speaker 1 (01:41:24):
Finley, yes. Maxson Hook, yes. No D'Anthony Bell. Interesting. Good point.
Thank you, 49451. Also, no Cody White.

Speaker 3 (01:41:33):
Right? Da-da-da.

Speaker 1 (01:41:41):
Hmm.

Speaker 4 (01:41:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:41:43):
Something to keep an eye on. Those are two guys
that I thought would be there. And I should have
mentioned that to Hugh. No Cody White, no D'Anthony Bell
on the practice squad as of right now. Interesting. Very,
very interesting. Okay. What do we got here? 4, 9, 4, 5, 1... Anders,

(01:42:10):
why is the YouTube camera out of focus?

Speaker 5 (01:42:12):
Yeah, I actually noticed that when I was going on
my Mariners rant.

Speaker 1 (01:42:15):
Is it your camera?

Speaker 8 (01:42:16):
Yeah, it's mine.

Speaker 5 (01:42:17):
Specifically mine. But I got it back. Should be good.
Sometimes it doesn't automatically focus, but I got it back.
We got some talkbacks, by the way.

Speaker 1 (01:42:25):
Let's get a talkback in. Fire away.

Speaker 3 (01:42:27):
Good afternoon, Ian. Hello. I'm here at the Toronto airport.
licking my wounds after a terrible weekend of traveling on
the road with the Mariners.

Speaker 1 (01:42:37):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (01:42:39):
Disgusting weekend. I was there Friday night, and I was
there yesterday. And both games were equally bad. And my
flight's delayed. So, more salt in the wound. Get me
home and get me a Seahawks football.

Speaker 1 (01:42:54):
Hey, man, go find yourself a Tim Hortons, get a
Coffee Crisp candy bar. Maybe some poutine there. I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:43:02):
Staying in Canada longer than you have to.

Speaker 1 (01:43:06):
Toronto's a great city, though, man. It's a good city.
But not if you went there to watch your local
baseball team and they got boat raced for three straight days.
What did we say? Twelve hits, four runs over three days.

Speaker 5 (01:43:18):
Not one game.

Speaker 1 (01:43:20):
Over three. Twelve and four. What else you got?

Speaker 11 (01:43:25):
Hey, Ian.

Speaker 2 (01:43:25):
The reason why we're so down on this team is, like,
it's one thing if they were bad and they were
fighting and scrapping and pulling their hair out and making
every effort to try and be better, even as a team.
But this team just seems like either they're goofing around
or they're hanging their heads, one or the other.

Speaker 1 (01:43:44):
And the fire.

Speaker 5 (01:43:45):
To win just doesn't seem to be there. And as fans,
if you're bad at least, try to win.

Speaker 1 (01:43:53):
Can you play the first five seconds of that again, please? Hey, Ian.
There it was.

Speaker 5 (01:44:00):
The Shockey sigh.

Speaker 1 (01:44:01):
The Kevin Shockey Memorial Heavy sigh. Coming from a Mariner fan. Shocking.

Speaker 8 (01:44:05):
Shockey.

Speaker 1 (01:44:06):
Do we have any more?

Speaker 13 (01:44:06):
Yeah, more.

Speaker 1 (01:44:07):
All right.

Speaker 12 (01:44:09):
Ian, I'm with Anders. Always have been. I love his
feeling of the Mariners. And Nathan, I do not want
this team to make the playoffs. I want serious change.
And if this team makes the playoffs, they're going to
keep everyone. It's the same old, same old. This team
needs serious change. And for that to happen, we need

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to nosedive right out of the playoffs.

Speaker 1 (01:44:39):
See, there's no guarantee that you're going to have changes.

Speaker 5 (01:44:41):
That's what I say. The sad part about that is
that even if you lose, you might not make changes.

Speaker 1 (01:44:46):
There's just no.

Speaker 5 (01:44:48):
See, that's where the apathy is kicking in for me.

Speaker 8 (01:44:50):
It's like.

Speaker 5 (01:44:51):
Why hope for anything more? And also, why should I
care when it looks like the team doesn't care?

Speaker 3 (01:44:57):
Right? Right.

Speaker 1 (01:44:58):
No, that's totally it. Listen, we've said it all along.
We've said it all day. We're going to get into
this a little bit more tomorrow. It's just there's something seriously,
seriously broken.

Speaker 6 (01:45:10):
You know?

Speaker 1 (01:45:11):
And I'm not sure.

Speaker 3 (01:45:12):
3-6-0.

Speaker 1 (01:45:14):
I'm expecting the M's to go on a winning streak. But,
of course, fall one game short. Front office will spin
it positively. And we all know it's complete BS.

Speaker 6 (01:45:21):
See?

Speaker 1 (01:45:23):
Here's the thing that would be a little bit scary, Anders,
because like you said, like the talkback, like we talked
about even on my walk, and Chris talked about on
my walk. For those who are thinking, well, I can
just root against them now because there will be a
change if you're in that crowd, I think there's no guarantee.

(01:45:48):
And then the worst thing that could happen is what
was just said. On that text, go on a run,
finish 81-81.

Speaker 5 (01:45:57):
Miss the playoffs by a game or two.

Speaker 1 (01:46:00):
Like you're two games out of the wild card and
one game behind the Astros. Hey, look at what you
did in August.

Speaker 3 (01:46:06):
Great.

Speaker 8 (01:46:07):
Great run.

Speaker 1 (01:46:07):
Think about this. To get to what I just said,
to get the record I just said, 81-81, right? Yeah.
Let's see. They would have to go 17-18. Well, to
get to 81, just to get to 81 and 81,
that's hypothetical, not the 82. But to get to 500,

(01:46:29):
they'd have to go 17 and 7 the rest of
the way.

Speaker 3 (01:46:34):
Right?

Speaker 5 (01:46:34):
And that's the thing is, yes, that is the worst
case scenario.

Speaker 1 (01:46:38):
17 and 8. I'm sorry, 17 and 8.

Speaker 5 (01:46:39):
This team isn't capable of doing that.

Speaker 1 (01:46:40):
17 and 8, yeah.

Speaker 10 (01:46:41):
They're not.

Speaker 1 (01:46:42):
No, no, no.

Speaker 5 (01:46:43):
I don't care if Cal Raleigh's fixed.

Speaker 1 (01:46:45):
Well, yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:46:47):
Like.

Speaker 5 (01:46:48):
You're starting rotations leaking oil, as Nathan said, and that's
a great description of it.

Speaker 1 (01:46:53):
Let me read my man Nick Allen. By the way, Nick,
as always, I say thank you for what you do.
Thank you, my man. Ian, the past year I've been
squirreling away money for this past week when the M's
would release their Flex package for next year that would
include playoff tickets for this year. Now I'm going to
be hanging on to my money. My oldest asked if
we were going to go to a Mariners game this year,
maybe this Sunday, and I replied to him, why? This

(01:47:15):
will be the first time in over 20 years I
won't attend an M's game. Breaks my heart, Nick Allen. Nick, no.
The person sitting here in this seat, this particular host,
will never, ever, I never want to say don't go.
If you love going to the games, especially with your son, Nick,

(01:47:35):
just go. I mean, you don't get those days back.

Speaker 3 (01:47:41):
That's true.

Speaker 1 (01:47:41):
You just don't get those days back. I mean, you
went to the worst game of the year, one of them.

Speaker 10 (01:47:44):
I did.

Speaker 1 (01:47:44):
With your son.

Speaker 5 (01:47:45):
It was his first Mariner game, and I wouldn't trade
it for anything.

Speaker 1 (01:47:48):
Bingo. What was it? Was that the 22-0 game or
the 19-0 game? Who pitched?

Speaker 5 (01:47:54):
Brian Wu.

Speaker 6 (01:47:55):
No, no.

Speaker 1 (01:47:55):
The home Brian Wu bad start. Yeah, but who pitched later?
Did you have a position player in that game?

Speaker 3 (01:48:00):
Yes.

Speaker 5 (01:48:01):
Was it Johnny Parada?

Speaker 1 (01:48:02):
Oh, it was Parada. That was Parada's debut. Actually, no,
he pitched before.

Speaker 3 (01:48:06):
He did.

Speaker 5 (01:48:07):
The fact that we've had to remember which position player
pitched in that game is.

Speaker 1 (01:48:14):
Was it Robles or Pareda, Anders?

Speaker 5 (01:48:16):
Or Leo Rivas.

Speaker 1 (01:48:18):
Well, he can't anymore because.
He's the blame for all things wrong. Let's just send
Rivas down. It must be his fault. Must be his fault.
Have you done the math? What would it take to
get to 54%? I think, like, almost. Hang on, I'll
find out. I'll tell you right now.

Speaker 3 (01:48:35):
Hang on.

Speaker 1 (01:48:36):
Because I'll just find something last year that was 54%.

Speaker 3 (01:48:37):
89 wins.

Speaker 1 (01:48:41):
So 89 wins. 88 wins, I guess. 88 wins gets
you there.

Speaker 5 (01:48:45):
They would almost have to win every single game.

Speaker 3 (01:48:48):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:48:50):
Yeah, they can't even reach 54.

Speaker 12 (01:48:52):
Damn.

Speaker 1 (01:48:55):
That's no good. Like I said, we're going to get
to the root of the problem. Not the root of
the problem. The emotions are just out of control right
now with these guys. There's just this... This anger, like
an absolute flat out, there's an anger with these guys.
It's crazy.

Speaker 5 (01:49:15):
I'm not even angry. I'm just, I'm done. I'm just done.

Speaker 1 (01:49:19):
Let me read a couple more here.

Speaker 3 (01:49:21):
49451.

Speaker 1 (01:49:22):
Hey, Ian, what's the final date of the final imbibe,
final keg for the mayor? We're working on that. Should
be able to announce that later this week. As of
yesterday afternoon, there was a little bit of mayor left,
but I don't know if I'll double check. It's, I'm,
I'm assuming it'll be gone by, if it wasn't gone
last night, it's probably gone by now, but we'll find out.
But we will have a final keg at Imbibe in

(01:49:43):
Maple Valley. Also, somebody just texted, and this is an
interesting one.

Speaker 6 (01:49:47):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (01:49:48):
Did I hear you correctly say that you can now
bet on Washington teams at Snoqualmie Casino? I think I
heard you say that, Ian.

Speaker 3 (01:49:54):
I did.

Speaker 1 (01:49:55):
You can now do that.

Speaker 5 (01:49:56):
Wow.

Speaker 6 (01:49:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:49:58):
What do you think at Snoqualmie the odds are on
the Apple Cup?

Speaker 5 (01:50:02):
Like talking Moneyline or?

Speaker 1 (01:50:04):
What's the spread here?

Speaker 5 (01:50:07):
I'd say 16.5.

Speaker 1 (01:50:11):
Let's see here. What'd you say?

Speaker 5 (01:50:13):
16.5?

Speaker 1 (01:50:15):
I bet it's higher than that.

Speaker 5 (01:50:16):
You think so?

Speaker 1 (01:50:16):
Yeah, I do.

Speaker 6 (01:50:18):
20?

Speaker 1 (01:50:18):
Yeah, I think it's... Let's see, it's the last game, right? Before...
That's crazy. What's cool? Scrolling through this. Okay. What'd you
guess it was?

Speaker 5 (01:50:31):
16.5.

Speaker 1 (01:50:32):
23 and a half. Wow. 23 and a half.

Speaker 6 (01:50:38):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:50:38):
Washington is a minus 2,200. Cougs are plus 1,050. God almighty. Really?
Over-under is 50 and a half. If I was to
do something and I've made it a habit of never
wagering on the Cougs one way or the other, even
in other places, now you can do it legally here.

(01:50:59):
I just don't do it, but yeah. That's not as
high a spread as I think I saw elsewhere. I
think it's like 31 nationwide. Remember here with our casinos,
if they have their own book, things will change. The Mariners'
odds are always different here than they are elsewhere. Stuff
like that. Seahawks, same way. But yes, you can do

(01:51:20):
all those things. All right, we'll take a break. Come back,
wrap it up. Appreciate the texter pointing out a couple
of guys that were not on that Seahawks practice squad.
Cody White, DeAnthony Bell. Big Nogginy is also not. That's interesting.

(01:51:43):
Three veterans.

Speaker 3 (01:51:44):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:51:44):
I haven't seen those guys get picked up by anybody either.
Dave Sotomayor joins us right now. I think he is
at freaking Motlake, baby.

Speaker 10 (01:51:53):
We are freaking Motlake, baby.

Speaker 13 (01:51:55):
Staring at the beautiful Husky Stadium feel that will be
used for the Annual spanking of the Cougars on Sunday
at 1 o'clock in the Boeing Apple Cup.

Speaker 10 (01:52:05):
And looking forward to seeing you here. Ian, I know
you're fired up for Sunday.

Speaker 1 (01:52:08):
Can't wait.

Speaker 13 (01:52:09):
Yeah, I know you'll be here sitting in your seats,
waving your crimson foam finger. Hey, why is the Cougar
marching band not coming out here? What's going on with that?

Speaker 1 (01:52:16):
You guys did not allow them to come.

Speaker 10 (01:52:19):
That's BS.

Speaker 1 (01:52:20):
That's what they said. That's not true.

Speaker 10 (01:52:23):
That is an absolute flat-out fallacy.

Speaker 1 (01:52:26):
That's what I heard.

Speaker 13 (01:52:27):
They were handed over 300 tickets for the game if
they needed them, and they.

Speaker 10 (01:52:31):
Turned them down.

Speaker 1 (01:52:33):
All I heard is that Washington didn't want him there.
And if that's wrong, and I'm being dead serious, Dave.
I'm dead serious.

Speaker 10 (01:52:38):
No, I get it.

Speaker 1 (01:52:39):
If that's wrong, then that's on them because the story
out there is that they were not allowed to come
or I don't know what it was.

Speaker 10 (01:52:46):
Honestly, you know what?

Speaker 1 (01:52:48):
Do I really care? No.

Speaker 13 (01:52:49):
No, but, and look, I mean, I get this is
a sore subject for a lot of people. I'm not
trying to be a total smartass, maybe half a smartass.

Speaker 1 (01:52:56):
It's Apple Cup week, you should be at least half
a smartass.

Speaker 13 (01:52:58):
Why, in what world, why would UW not allow the
Cougar marching band to come to the Apple Cup?

Speaker 1 (01:53:03):
I have no idea.

Speaker 13 (01:53:04):
They've been to every Apple Cup for the last, how
many years? 50 years of my life?

Speaker 1 (01:53:08):
Here's the thing that made no sense to me.

Speaker 10 (01:53:10):
That's not true.

Speaker 1 (01:53:10):
I know, just tell me what I heard. That's the
story going around, and then this is where people got all...
This is why... This is probably why the rivalry should continue,
because of the stupid and bitterness and all the stuff. Right?
All the things that make a rivalry good, you know? Like,
he did this, she did that. And one of the

(01:53:31):
things going around, which to me made no sense, and again,
if this is what I heard was erroneous, then somebody
better change that narrative soon. But the thing that was
strange is, what was it? Whatever year it was, four
or five years ago, when Washington had the issue with
the bus and the band, and they got in the
car accident, and Wazoo's band played their fight song and

(01:53:52):
learned the fight song. There's some goodwill there. It didn't
pass the sniff test, but that's all I heard, and
so if it's wrong... then somebody will correct me or
them or you or whatever, and away you go.

Speaker 13 (01:54:06):
I was told by people on campus today they were
offered well over 300 tickets.

Speaker 1 (01:54:11):
What are those tickets for? Are they for fans only?
For the game.

Speaker 10 (01:54:16):
No, for the game. To perform in the stadium.

Speaker 1 (01:54:18):
So it's basically specifically for the marching band. Those 300 tickets, okay.

Speaker 13 (01:54:23):
Yeah, they'd be up in the upper deck where they
stick every marching band. Now, we can argue whether or
not they should be given better seats if you want
to fight about that.

Speaker 10 (01:54:29):
That's fine.

Speaker 1 (01:54:30):
Is that where the band always is for visitors?

Speaker 10 (01:54:32):
That's where all the bands go. They all get stuck
in the corner.

Speaker 1 (01:54:35):
Well, then there shouldn't have been an issue.

Speaker 13 (01:54:36):
Because UW needs to sell the better seats to make
more money to pay for these ridiculous salaries.

Speaker 1 (01:54:41):
That they got.

Speaker 10 (01:54:42):
We got a quarterback making $ 4 million, dude.

Speaker 1 (01:54:44):
I was thinking about that today, man.

Speaker 10 (01:54:46):
Gotta make some money somewhere.

Speaker 1 (01:54:47):
I was thinking about that today, that the amount of money.
God, I was pissed when Cam Ward was making like
a hundred, I had a package, not making, a package
worth about 110 grand. And I thought, this guy's not
living up to that.

Speaker 10 (01:55:04):
Well, that's part of it, right?

Speaker 1 (01:55:05):
You're paying a long time for that now. Well, that's
part of the whole thing.

Speaker 10 (01:55:09):
Now you know what guys are making.

Speaker 13 (01:55:11):
Part of the reason why for some fans at the
pro level it's easier to criticize athletes is because you
know what they're getting paid. We all know what they're
getting paid. Sooner or later, we might all know what
college athletes are getting paid. Guys like Pete Nakos are
putting stuff like that online all the time. We've known
what DeMond's number is ever since the LSU kerfuffle nine

(01:55:32):
months ago, but Yeah, I mean, there's more pressure on
these kids.

Speaker 3 (01:55:36):
They're pros.

Speaker 13 (01:55:36):
They're absolute professional athletes. They might be snooties, but they're
also pros. There's nothing amateur about it, man. So anyway,
we're here at Husky Stadium. Jed just had his press conference.

Speaker 3 (01:55:48):
Ready to go.

Speaker 13 (01:55:49):
Greatest setting in college football, so we're fired up for that.
Bill Kruger will join us. Hugh Millen will join us.
And then 6 p.m. tonight, the debut. She's done the
show before, but now she is hosting the show as
the grand poobah of Husky Football Radio. Elyse Woodward tonight
with Jed Fish from Eureka. Is that right, Elyse? Eureka
in the U Village with Damon Heward, I believe, will

(01:56:11):
be there as well. So it's going to be a
fun show. What's Eureka? Is that a restaurant?

Speaker 10 (01:56:16):
It's a restaurant, correct. Okay, correct.

Speaker 1 (01:56:18):
Eureka.

Speaker 13 (01:56:19):
Right directly across from Joey, if you feel like swinging
over to say.

Speaker 1 (01:56:23):
Hello to Eureka. Is Sark there? Is Sark and Joey there?

Speaker 3 (01:56:26):
No.

Speaker 10 (01:56:26):
Sark will not be there.

Speaker 3 (01:56:27):
Oh, okay. All right.

Speaker 1 (01:56:28):
I'll probably pass that. All right. Have a good show.

Speaker 10 (01:56:31):
See you.

Speaker 3 (01:56:31):
Bye.

Speaker 6 (01:56:32):
For the mild-mannered and marginally objectionable Ian Furness, this is
Battle Day saying so long, everyone.

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