Furness Show 9-1: Mariners Frustrations, Joe Sheehan, John Lund

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
First of all, you know the view that all these
guys out here have?

Speaker 2 (00:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (00:03):
So our studio was right up on the windows, and
it was about, what would it be, three or four,
three-fourths of the studio was big windows with a view
of Elliott Bay.

Speaker 3 (00:18):
Oh, that's awesome.

Speaker 1 (00:19):
And the Olympic Mountains. And we live in a beautiful place.
I know there's a lot of issues here. So that
was number one. Number two was big. Number three, it
was functional.

Speaker 4 (00:27):
Functional.

Speaker 5 (00:28):
Really?

Speaker 1 (00:28):
You could push buttons and they worked. Yeah, it was
just a better setup.

Speaker 3 (00:34):
It wasn't a bunch of power surges and stuff like that?

Speaker 1 (00:36):
No, we never had a power surge there. Never had
a fire. Never got kicked out. No one was making
chemicals in the floor below us and just waiting for
this place to just go up in flames one day. No,
none of that happened. And the mics were always erect,
which is nice. And that's not the case here. Those
are my issues. How are you guys doing today? Seriously,

(00:58):
I come in here, I'm like, I feel like I
don't want to touch anything because, A, I'm banging my
knees against the computer thing.

Speaker 6 (01:03):
Exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:04):
Okay, let's go. We've got a couple things going on.
One would be the Artie Moreno selling to the Angels.
We'll get into that a little bit later, maybe, too,
especially with Sheehan. I would just say, if you're a
Mariner fan, that's not what you wanted to hear.

Speaker 5 (01:24):
Mm-mm.

Speaker 3 (01:25):
Correct? That is correct. They were one of the teams
you could rely on to always suck because their owner,
while spends money, doesn't do it in the right way.

Speaker 2 (01:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:34):
So there's that. The next thing is, we're going to
get into some baseball today. Joe Sheehan's going to join
us at 120. We'll get into, we'll talk to him,
and then also at 2 o'clock, we got John Lund
coming on. I want to do this. I've been, last
night's game, was, for the Mariners, was something else in

(01:57):
a lot of different ways. And since last night, I've
been racking my brain a little bit, and I jotted
down some notes, and they just sounded just stupid sports radio-ish.
I just didn't want to go down that road. I'm not,
I just, I couldn't do it.

Speaker 3 (02:09):
You only have one.

Speaker 1 (02:11):
Yeah, I couldn't do it to myself. I couldn't do
it to you guys.

Speaker 3 (02:13):
Mount Rushmore.

Speaker 1 (02:14):
No, yeah, all this, blah, blah, blah. You know, do
you believe? Do you not believe? Yeah. But there's something there.
There's meat on the bone with this baseball team. And
so this is going to be a very abstract hour
that we're going to get into, the conversation that Anders
and I are going to have. It's very abstract. And
the thing that I'm looking at, you're 10 games under.

Speaker 3 (02:34):
500.

Speaker 1 (02:36):
You are, by all intents and purposes, a bad baseball team. Oh,
just hear that? I just kicked my arm.

Speaker 3 (02:42):
Oh, there it is. There it is. Did you turn
off the computer? It's still working?

Speaker 1 (02:46):
No, it's still working. I can't just... It's all right.
The knee will come back at some point. Anyway, the
game last night was sort of just a great microcosm
of who they are.

Speaker 3 (03:00):
How many times have we said that this season?

Speaker 4 (03:02):
A lot.

Speaker 1 (03:03):
But now we're at the end of the year and
we're in a situation in which you don't have much
of a margin of error. The blame game is always fun.

Speaker 3 (03:14):
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 6 (03:16):
The.

Speaker 1 (03:18):
That's kind of the go-to. Anytime your team loses, the
default is go to the blame game. It doesn't matter
if it's football, baseball, basketball, hockey, whatever. Teams lose, you
go to the blame game, right? And who's to blame?
And that's just human. That's just a natural reaction for
a human. Like blame somebody for something. Last night, for example,

(03:39):
there's a lot of places you could lay blame. The manager,
as always. That's every day.

Speaker 3 (03:45):
It's a given.

Speaker 8 (03:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (03:47):
The front office for roster construction.

Speaker 3 (03:50):
Yeah, having Brock Rodden be on the team every day.

Speaker 1 (03:54):
Cooper Criswell's your only option in extra innings. And listen,
to be fair to him, hadn't pitched in the big
leagues since, what was it, three months?

Speaker 3 (04:02):
Yeah, something like that.

Speaker 1 (04:03):
And you put him out in that situation in that ballpark?

Speaker 3 (04:05):
Well, and then he made it worse by walking the
bases loaded.

Speaker 1 (04:10):
He goes back to the manager. Yeah. So roster construction.
I still will say this until the cows come home.
My God, when are the players accountable? When are the
players to blame? To blame. Not just accountable, but to blame.
When will that happen? Well, last night, sort of it

(04:31):
did with Julio.

Speaker 2 (04:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (04:32):
God, that's the most creative triple in the history. I
guess he didn't touch the ball. Whatever. That's an error.
On every level, it's an error.

Speaker 3 (04:42):
It should be a single and an error.

Speaker 1 (04:43):
It should be a single and a two-base error all
day and every day.

Speaker 9 (04:47):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (04:48):
It was so poorly played. So there's that. Yes, Cal
hit a home run, but he was one for five.
And he had a couple other opportunities. He's bordering right now.
I'll say it, Anders. I don't care. I'm just going
to say it. He's bordering on Richie Sexton-type numbers right now.
If they get in the playoffs, I'll change that. But
right now, he's hitting solo home runs in the ninth inning.

(05:10):
off low-leverage relievers because it's a six-run game. That's what
he's doing. He didn't help you when you needed it.
And even on the night when he does, I mean, God,
if he doesn't hit that home run, you didn't get
to extra innings.

Speaker 4 (05:24):
True.

Speaker 9 (05:24):
Right?

Speaker 1 (05:25):
But there's all these different elements going on for this team.
Here's the one overriding. This is where I want to
go with it today. And I want to get your thoughts, too.
We'll see where it takes us. Like I said, this
is just kind of an abstract– I couldn't put my
finger on it, but I think that probably describes how
this season has gone. But, you know, we've got different

(05:46):
group chats. We've got our Molly Wap plus Benton group chat. Again,
not sure why Benton's on it, but he is. Because
he's a Dodger fan. Wants to be a part of
the baseball talk. He wants to be a part of it.
I think that might be part of it. I think
maybe we nix them out and they have a 14-10
month and finish only six games.

Speaker 3 (06:03):
Of bowl if I remember.

Speaker 7 (06:05):
But.

Speaker 1 (06:06):
No, we've got that group thread. I'm sure you have friends.
I've got friends. I've got a couple different groups with friends.
And people are– I've never seen it like people are
sideways with this baseball team. And they all have different
emotions and different feelings towards it. I'm trying to put
my finger on what is it about this particular team,

(06:27):
this Mariners team, that is just– I'll say almost to
the point of it's become unlikable.

Speaker 6 (06:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (06:38):
I hear that term a lot, but I want a
definition of that. What do we mean they're unlikable? Like,
they're unlikable in what way? But I hear that a lot.
So I guess my thing is, what is it about
this team that, for lack of a better term, annoys
you most, if that makes sense? Like, what is it

(07:00):
about this team that just absolutely– Because people have turned
on it to a certain extent. I'm going to get
to that in a second. I'm going to talk to
Lund a little bit about, he did a thing, I
was listening to his show driving in. He was talking about,
I guess there's this big debate in LA. I guess
Jim Rome said something and Colin Coward and Bill Plask,

(07:21):
all these media guys down there. And it's like, well,
because the whole debate was, like, did you see the
video from USC over the weekend?

Speaker 7 (07:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (07:28):
You know, and it's hot. Nobody went to the game.

Speaker 7 (07:29):
No fans.

Speaker 1 (07:30):
Yeah, no fans. Playing San Jose State and blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 7 (07:32):
Right.

Speaker 1 (07:32):
So people are like, it's a bad sports town. It's
a good sports town. Bad sports town. What's a good
sports town?

Speaker 6 (07:37):
Right.

Speaker 1 (07:37):
So we're kind of going through that. And a lot
of times people will point to attendance.

Speaker 10 (07:42):
Right.

Speaker 1 (07:42):
They'll point to attendance. Well, I'll just give you a
little number here just for giggles, shiggles and gets, as
they would say.

Speaker 10 (07:49):
Oh, man.

Speaker 1 (07:50):
So right now, Seattle has drawn 22.4 million fans to
the ballpark. 2.4.

Speaker 3 (07:57):
2.4.

Speaker 1 (07:58):
Okay. The Mariners are seventh in baseball in attendance. Seventh.

Speaker 3 (08:05):
They are.

Speaker 1 (08:06):
Now, here's the crazy thing. The top 10 teams in
attendance in Major League Baseball, eight of the 10 teams,
eight of the 10 are most certainly... Well, they're either
playoff teams or they're in a much better playoff position, Toronto,
than Seattle is.

Speaker 7 (08:25):
Okay?

Speaker 1 (08:27):
I guess you could argue it's Toronto. Well, they're ahead
of Seattle.

Speaker 3 (08:29):
They just swept you.

Speaker 1 (08:30):
Yeah, and you're six games out in your own division.
So the point is this. The fans here still go.
The other team that's not in it that is having
great attendance is San Francisco. They're averaging... 300 fans less
than Seattle per game. Like think about that for a second.

(08:56):
Like that's insane. That is, that's like those two, but
here's why. And this is what gets back to what
people are frustrated with here. Team mobile is a great
place to go. Team mobile is a, it's, it's kind of,
and I think to a certain extent, Oracle park is
the same way.

Speaker 3 (09:14):
A hundred percent.

Speaker 7 (09:15):
It is.

Speaker 1 (09:15):
It's the place to go in the summer. Yeah. It's,
we make fun of it. Bro land out there in
center field.

Speaker 3 (09:22):
It's a great spot.

Speaker 1 (09:23):
But that's like, you go to a game and there
is a vibe and it's, it's where you want to be.
I mean, I've got two kids in their twenties. That's, that's,
you know, now one of them, she'll, she doesn't go
out there. She's got to watch the game and get mad. Well,
she's the diehard. She's a lunatic, but it's, but that's,
but the rest, you know, walk around bro out what's happening.
Who's out here. Hey, you're out there. I'll, I'll meet

(09:44):
you out in center field. That's it's the place to be.

Speaker 7 (09:46):
Right.

Speaker 1 (09:47):
I mean, I was kind of surprised to saw the number, 35,000,
almost 36,000. They're basically 36,000 games.

Speaker 3 (09:53):
So it's interesting because of those two teams that you
just mentioned, Seattle and San Francisco. I think those two,
and I'm kind of making generalizations here, but go along
with this. It feels like those two places, almost more
than anywhere else, at least in those top eight that
you're mentioning, have... A higher percentage of the people that

(10:15):
go to the games that aren't diehard baseball fans than
the other ones.

Speaker 1 (10:20):
They just go because it's the place to be.

Speaker 3 (10:22):
And I think Seattle, more than anything else, when you
go to a Mariners game, I don't think that represents
the diehard fan that's watching every single game, every single pitch.

Speaker 1 (10:34):
And I think you're right.

Speaker 3 (10:35):
Living and dying with them.

Speaker 1 (10:36):
I think you're right. And this is why I bring
it up. When I worked in Portland, the Moda Center
was the place to be. Now, it's the same weather
as we have in the wintertime. It's basically dark, rainy,
and gray from October 1st until April 1st. And what
do you do? You go inside somewhere. You go to
a movie. Well, you're not interacting with people. You go
to the clubs, but nobody's in the club. What do

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you do? Blazer games are where it's at. When I
was there initially, they were still good. Then they started
to fall off and became really bad. But even in
those bad years, the Blazers would draw fans. And the
Motor Center's got some I know they want to do
some renovations. Just if you haven't been there, big, wide-ass,
like the two main concourses, pretty wide. You can kind

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of gather out there, some gathering spots. So they do
a good job with, you know, you can do that.
You kind of hang out at halftime and stuff like that.
I would equate it to what Climate Pledge is right now.
It is like the diehard Kraken fan is pissed. They're like,
when are we going to win? But there's 17,000 there

(11:42):
every night, and a lot of those 17,000 are just cool. Hey,
we're just having a Bodhisattva, hanging out in the Space
Needle Lounge, walking around, doing whatever.

Speaker 2 (11:48):
Right?

Speaker 1 (11:48):
That's the place to hang out. If there's no pressure
from a fan base to win, why would you win?
Why would you invest in it? What's the incentive? Why
would you make changes?

Speaker 4 (12:01):
Right.

Speaker 2 (12:02):
Right?

Speaker 3 (12:02):
And that's the thing.

Speaker 1 (12:03):
Why would you make changes? And I'm talking wholesale changes.
Kraken went very superficial. Bottleroll is here already. Bumped him up.
That didn't move the needle for any diehard fan. They've
changed coaches, but they change coaches like most of us
change underwear. Now, again, I think Lane's the guy. Lane's

(12:23):
the first coach they've had out of the three, honestly,
that I believe in.

Speaker 3 (12:26):
I totally agree.

Speaker 1 (12:26):
But the diehard fan doesn't like what they're doing. That
diehard fan probably isn't there 41 times a year. He's
probably watching games on TV or listening here on the radio.
Mariners fans are the same way. The diehards are listening
on the radio or they're watching games on TV. But
there's 35,000 that are every game, and out of those 35,000,
a lot of them are just happy to have a

(12:47):
good time. They don't care, so there's no incentive to
move on. That's why you look at the Giants, and
I'll talk to Lund about this. What's the incentive if
you're the Giants? You're drawing 36,000. You're awful. Buster Posey's
way over his skis. You can go on and on, right?
And that's historically a good franchise. They've actually done... There's
a thing called the World Series. They've been there.

Speaker 3 (13:06):
They've won it.

Speaker 1 (13:07):
They have won it.

Speaker 3 (13:07):
Multiple times in the last 15 years.

Speaker 1 (13:09):
Ironically, with a catcher that now runs the team.

Speaker 9 (13:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (13:12):
Who also is much like our catcher over his skis
in his role. But what's the incentive? What's the true
incentive if you are selling out Climate Pledge every game?
Or if you're, in the case of the baseball team,
You're drawing 36,000. No big crowds this weekend. Sunday might
be a little different with the Apple Cup being Sunday.

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But the first, you know, we'll see what Thursday looks like.
If they end up losing this series, if they lose
one of the next two, and they lose this series
to Boston, we'll see what that looks like on Thursday.

Speaker 3 (13:44):
I don't think attendance is going to change.

Speaker 1 (13:46):
It may not. Well, Thursday it might look bad. A's
on Thursday. Yeah. But Friday, Saturday, I think is the
last fireworks, isn't it? I just mean in general.

Speaker 3 (13:53):
So I bring that up. Is it just.
There's a huge disconnect between the fans that go to
games versus the fans. I agree living and dying with
the marriage.

Speaker 1 (14:02):
So I'm talking to the fans that aren't in bro land.

Speaker 2 (14:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (14:05):
I'm talking to the fan that's sitting there keeping score
down the third baseline.

Speaker 3 (14:07):
Exactly.

Speaker 1 (14:08):
I'm talking to the fan that's watching the game yesterday
and is screaming at his television. When Julio does whatever
Julio does.

Speaker 3 (14:15):
DJ Plano. Don't, don't, don't get his name mixed up.

Speaker 1 (14:20):
What's his incentive as well? Let me ask you that.
What's Julio's incentive? He got signed to basically the cold
Emerson deal.

Speaker 7 (14:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (14:33):
Before he did anything in baseball. He's getting paid. Now, obviously,
he gets paid a hell of a lot more if
he's in the MVP conversation.

Speaker 7 (14:42):
True.

Speaker 1 (14:43):
But, you know, fat and comfortable. Why would he care?
Josh Naylor. Josh Naylor's probably laughing in the offseason going, man,
my skills are declining. But look what I'm, I'm a
singles hitter now.

Speaker 3 (14:55):
Josh, Dan, that makes more than Julio.

Speaker 1 (14:57):
And, and, but he, and he signed a, what, three-year deal?

Speaker 3 (14:59):
Five-year deal.

Speaker 1 (15:00):
Five-year deal. God, is that aging bad.

Speaker 5 (15:02):
Right?

Speaker 1 (15:04):
What's the incentive? There's no pressure. Like other places, there's
pressure to win. I don't think there's that. I don't
think that exists except for the diehard fan. So here's,
this is like, and I'll get your thoughts in the
next segment. Cause I want to, I'm just going to
point this out there. Cause I think it's the only
way to phrase it. What is it about this team?
that annoys you the most. Maybe it's history. Maybe it's

(15:28):
the fact that you had expectations, they didn't live up
to them, and that's happened over and over again. It
happened in 2023. Although, God, what would you do for
an 88 and 74 record right now?

Speaker 3 (15:41):
I'll take 54%.

Speaker 9 (15:43):
Right?

Speaker 2 (15:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (15:44):
Or is it how they talk down to you? Like
the baseball ops?

Speaker 1 (15:48):
2024, 85, and 77. What would you do? Think about this. 2023, 2024,
either one of those records, you're in the playoffs this year.

Speaker 7 (15:56):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (15:57):
Comfortably in the playoffs this year. But there's something about,
and that's what I was thinking last night. There's something
about this team that truly does, lack of a better term,
maybe it's an appropriate term, not just lack of, maybe
it's the appropriate term, There's something about this team, whether

(16:17):
it's the 2026 team or the organization as a whole,
that annoys people. And I'm just curious as to what
that is. I've got, like I just said, one of
the other group threads I have with some bunch of
buddies I play golf with and stuff, the word, I
hate this team, this team pisses me off, it's just
all negative. And I've been kind of arguing all year,

(16:38):
guys are still in it. They're still in it. If
the goal is just to get to the playoffs... We're
not worrying about style points. This isn't college football or basketball.
There's no committee deciding whether or not you deserve to
be in. You're not sitting there going head-to-head and going, well, Mariners,
I just don't like what they're doing. Toronto has more

(17:00):
quad one wins, so we'll take the Blue Jays. There's
none of that here. You don't have to worry about
quad one wins or a bad loss. You don't have
to be UNLV going, God, we lost to Memphis. We're done.
You're on the table, whatever. That's... it's just different with this,
with baseball, but there is, there is absolutely no doubt

(17:20):
in my mind that there is a disconnect between the
baseball team and the baseball fan in this town, more
so than anything I've ever seen. I hear unlikable. I
don't know. Julio seems likable to me when he's not,

(17:40):
when he's not doing Julio things.

Speaker 7 (17:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (17:44):
I don't know what's going on with Naylor this year.
It went from my favorite player to a guy that
I honestly have a hard time watching.

Speaker 3 (17:50):
It doesn't look like he gives a blank.

Speaker 1 (17:52):
It just doesn't look like he cares.

Speaker 10 (17:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (17:54):
JP shouldn't be on this baseball team.

Speaker 3 (17:57):
He's going to be done anyway.

Speaker 1 (17:57):
He's done, right. But, I mean, you were relying on
him this year.

Speaker 3 (18:01):
100%.

Speaker 1 (18:02):
You know, I love Randy. I'm going to be honest
with you. If you had nine Randys out there every game,
you might give up four or five extra runs defensively,
but you know what? You're going to get five or
six more.

Speaker 3 (18:12):
Yeah, and he's going to run his ass off on
the bases.

Speaker 1 (18:15):
He's going to do stuff. Yeah, and I know he
jogged on the one of the foul balls.

Speaker 3 (18:18):
Whatever.

Speaker 1 (18:18):
That's inherent to who they are.

Speaker 2 (18:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (18:22):
So get your thoughts.

Speaker 3 (18:22):
49451.

Speaker 1 (18:23):
I'll even look at text a little earlier today, too.
We'll do a couple text segments.

Speaker 7 (18:28):
49451.

Speaker 1 (18:28):
Talkbacks are welcome as well. Go to the iHeartRadio app
on the red microphone. I'll get Anders' thoughts on this.
What is it about this team, this Oregon? What is
it that annoys you the most that just kind of
sends you sideways? What is it about them? Just try
to put your finger on it. You had something. I'll
see if you repeat it because I'm not going to
tee it up for you, but you said something there

(18:49):
that might be part of it. It has to do
with attitude from above. We'll get to all that next,
93.3 KGRFM.

Speaker 6 (18:58):
Now back to Ian Furness on your home for the Huskies, Kraken,
and the 12th man. Brought to you by Seattle's closest
Snoqualmie Casino and Hotel on Sports Radio 93.3 KJR FM.
We've got a ton of texts already. We'll get to
some of those at 1245. Then we'll do it again
at 230 today with the text messages.

Speaker 1 (19:20):
49451. Fire away.

Speaker 6 (19:23):
All right.

Speaker 7 (19:25):
Oops.

Speaker 1 (19:26):
Delicate. There we go. Got the mic set up there, Anders.
Got it all done.

Speaker 3 (19:30):
Excellent.

Speaker 1 (19:31):
Nothing broke. It's a win.

Speaker 3 (19:35):
Did you give it some Viagra?

Speaker 1 (19:37):
Nah, it needs something, man. It needs something. It does
need something there along the way. All right. Throw it
to you. What is it about this team that just is...
Because you said something yesterday. This is when i was
teeing you up for it because you didn't say something
else but you said something like i'm just done like
i can't watch anymore it's i'm having a hard time
and all that it's and you're and just for people
to know context you're a baseball guy like you you

(20:00):
love baseball 100 percent immerse yourself in it since you
started doing stuff with us do the podcast with chuck
and the whole nine yards right that that's your sport
and they've turned you off. But what is it about
this team, whatever it is, that just is annoying or
is sending you sideways?

Speaker 3 (20:16):
Well, and I want to kind of contextualize your question
here because it's not just a general, oh, what makes
you mad about the Mariners? Why is it that this team,
everyone has underperforming seasons, right?

Speaker 7 (20:28):
Right.

Speaker 3 (20:28):
Compare it to if the Seahawks went 7-9 before they
won the Super Bowl, 2009. there wouldn't be as much
vitriol and hatred about watching them. It's like, ah, you know,
tough season. It's been really hard. But I still love
this team. I'll still watch them day in and day out.
I get none of that. And I understand why. For me,

(20:49):
it's a multitude of reasons. One is the history. The
fact that, A, this team just has never, it's been
said a bunch, but never gone to the World Series.
And that they lean so much into nostalgia. especially nostalgia. Look,
it's a little personal to me because I wasn't alive
during most of the disnalgia or that they lean in towards. 95,

(21:13):
I wasn't even born yet. 2001, I was four years old.
So everyone talks about, oh, you know, that was such
a magical time to be a Mariner fan. Well, great.
Let's make now a magical time to be a Mariner fan.
And it felt like in kind of the early part
of this core, 2022 and onward, it was going to
be something along those lines. But the fact that they
haven't taken that next step is really frustrating to me.

(21:36):
The other thing that's frustrating is the way... Look, it's
one thing to act like, you know, okay, we want
to build a sustainable team and keep butts in seats
and not necessarily take a bunch of risks financially and
stuff like that. It's one thing to act that way.
It's another thing to literally tell the fans that's exactly

(22:00):
what you're trying to do. And, of course, with the 54% comment,
doing the fans a favor, that's exactly what they did. Like,
most teams operate in that way, but they don't tell
the fans directly to their face, hey, we're actually not
trying to win the World Series. We're just trying to
be decent every single year. And then the third one

(22:20):
is more with this year specifically. It's the fact that
it's a bunch of incompetence. It's incompetence in the manager's dugout,
not just... with the team's lack of fight, the team's
lack of focus. It's actual in-game management, which is when
I can feel like I have more confidence in the

(22:41):
decisions that I would be making in those situations than
Dan Wilson does, that's a bad sign because I'm not
that smart of a guy. And then finally, just everything
that was sold to us about Dan Wilson and how
he controls this team and how he has a pulse
on things On the clubhouse, and he gets the most
out of guys. All of that has just come crashing down. Yeah.

(23:02):
And you're having the worst year from Cal's career, the
worst year from Julio's career. A pitching staff that was
sold to us as elite, but is not. And a
bullpen that's melting down. Really, it's just Randy. That's the
only one that's having any sort of performing to their
expectations at this point.

Speaker 4 (23:23):
And.

Speaker 3 (23:25):
It's one thing to underperform, but it's another thing to
just show a complete lack of caring. And that's what
this team has done.

Speaker 1 (23:30):
In perception's reality.

Speaker 7 (23:32):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (23:33):
And, you know, we spent that first segment talking about
guys look like they don't care. I do think guys care.
I guess the question is how much. And one of
the things I was going to compare these guys to,
this particular Mariners team in 2026, the 2017 Seahawks team.

(23:53):
And I'll refresh everyone's memory. So you win the Super Bowl,
you lose the Super Bowl. Then things started to take
a little bit of a turn. 2015, you finish second
in the division. You get knocked out in the divisional
round after one wildcard win. I think that was the
cold weather win in Minnesota. 2016, you win the division.

(24:15):
And I'd make the argument that was your last division
win until 2025. Yes, they won it in 2020. If
you want to count anything for 2020, I'm going to
tell you right now, you're a fool. Nobody was in
the stands. Nobody was there. Nobody cared. That was a
nothing burger season. So that was 2016. Okay, maybe Pete
went 10-5-1, that horrible tie down in Arizona, but you've got, okay,

(24:40):
maybe we're coming back. Maybe we're coming back. Maybe we're
doing things.

Speaker 3 (24:44):
2017. 2017.

Speaker 1 (24:48):
Now, you'd already had the camp chancellor holdout prior, but
2017 was Earl being Earl. And you're starting to see
the cracks in the foundation. And then, now listen, people
can take this however you want. Here was the reality.
That was the 2017 season. That was the famous going

(25:09):
to Tennessee, Donald Trump makes the comments, SOB players, all
that stuff. We had a lot, and this was pre-2020
of all things. We had a lot going on in
our country. And there was a perception in this town,
right or wrong, that these guys cared more about non-football
stuff than football. They frankly lost a game in Tennessee
for that. And then they just kind of kicked their

(25:31):
way through the rest of the year. They go to Dallas.
Earl goes up to Jason Garrett on Christmas Eve, come
get me. And it was just going south. And I
remember that year doing shows and people were just like,
blow it up.

Speaker 3 (25:45):
We're done.

Speaker 2 (25:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (25:46):
This core is, it's run its course. We need to
move on. They became a very, at times, kind of
unlikable team. And frankly, if we're being honest, they scuffled
through stuff for a while. They weren't winning games in playoffs.
They were just scuffling through. Lost in the wild card,
lost in the division, lost in the wild card, lost

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in the wild card. And then they had, during that
stretch from 2017 until last year, what was it, one Two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight.
They missed the playoffs four of those eight years. And
people were just like, it wasn't going well. That's why
Jody made the moves.

Speaker 7 (26:27):
Right?

Speaker 1 (26:28):
They made the moves. But it took her a while.

Speaker 3 (26:30):
Yeah, it did.

Speaker 1 (26:30):
Took her a while. But that 2017 team feels a
lot like this Mariners team. Higher expectations. Because we always
had high expectations of the Seahawks. Russ was still there.
The core was all there. Carson was there. Actually, no.

Speaker 6 (26:45):
Who was there?

Speaker 2 (26:46):
No.

Speaker 1 (26:46):
2017 was also the year that the leading rusher was
Russell Wilson because he went through nine running backs. It
was just a horror show of a year. Do they
care about winning or do they care about other stuff?
It's good to have all those platforms and it's good
to use those platforms and rightfully so. And I look
at the great work that guys like Doug Baldwin and
Cliff Averill make in the community. It's great. Fans want
them to win. They want them to play football. And

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that was when it started going a little bit weird.
And people didn't like that. This team, you're coming off
what they did. And I think if nothing else, why
this team is so frustrating is the expectations were high.
You know, when Felix was Felix, at his height, like,
and I was reminded of this when they brought him
back for the top 50. And I looked at Felix

(27:27):
and I'm like, God.

Speaker 3 (27:29):
What a guy. That's just, yeah.

Speaker 1 (27:31):
Put Felix on this team.

Speaker 4 (27:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (27:34):
That dude competed. He cared. And you know what he
cared about?

Speaker 3 (27:39):
You guys.

Speaker 1 (27:40):
He cared about the fans. Do you feel like that's
the case here with this team?

Speaker 3 (27:45):
Not right now. I felt it last year. I'm going
to be honest. I did.

Speaker 2 (27:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (27:50):
And not much has changed. So it's not like you
got a new manager.

Speaker 1 (27:53):
I'll tell you what changed. You needed Geno. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (27:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (27:59):
You needed Geno.

Speaker 3 (28:00):
100%.

Speaker 1 (28:01):
I mean, you obviously don't care if guys hit 150.
You've had Ref Snyder here and Cal's still hitting well
below 200. JP can't field. Everybody's got a blemish.

Speaker 3 (28:11):
You don't have a third baseman, period. Like, at all.

Speaker 1 (28:14):
Tell me Gino didn't make a difference when he got
here last year.

Speaker 3 (28:16):
Yes, even if he didn't hit well.

Speaker 5 (28:18):
Right?

Speaker 1 (28:18):
The emotional stuff that he made a difference.

Speaker 3 (28:21):
Totally agree.

Speaker 1 (28:22):
And you decide to move on.

Speaker 3 (28:24):
And then when he became literally available for nothing.

Speaker 1 (28:27):
You said no.

Speaker 3 (28:28):
He said no.

Speaker 1 (28:28):
No, you got Weston Wilson.

Speaker 3 (28:31):
You're a Weston Wilson guy.

Speaker 1 (28:32):
Until he swung at that fastball in his eyes last
night and slammed his bat down like it was that
bat's fault. No, dude, you just couldn't catch up to it.
Every team and every organization goes through different stages where
there's teams that you like more than other teams. And

(28:53):
sometimes they're the teams that win the title, sometimes they're not.
Because I'll make the argument all day and every day.
The team that won the Super Bowl in 2025... Far
more likable than the one that won it in 2013.

Speaker 7 (29:05):
100%.

Speaker 1 (29:05):
Like, far more likable.

Speaker 3 (29:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (29:08):
I mean, how do you not love Big Cat?

Speaker 7 (29:11):
Huh?

Speaker 1 (29:11):
Leonard Williams, a dude.

Speaker 3 (29:13):
Sam Darnold?

Speaker 1 (29:13):
Sam Darnold? JSN's the most unassuming superstar in the history
of football. He's like, make the argument he's one of
the top two receivers in football right now. Three at
the worst, right? He's the most unassuming, mellow dude you've
ever seen.

Speaker 3 (29:28):
Selfless.

Speaker 1 (29:28):
Selfless. Chet Anuos, who's a silent assassin, man. The guy
just does his thing. Like, it's funny, Listen to the
interview they had promo running with Chuck. That's who he is, man.

Speaker 3 (29:39):
Yeah, it's true.

Speaker 1 (29:40):
I love Michael Bennett. I love Cliff. I love Bobby, KJ, Doug.
Those guys are great. But there were elements of that
team sometimes people didn't like. This team feels like it
has the same thing. The difference is that team most
of the time didn't win.

Speaker 4 (29:54):
They won.

Speaker 2 (29:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (29:54):
All right.

Speaker 1 (29:55):
I'm going to check your text. What annoys you about
this team?

Speaker 8 (29:57):
49451.

Speaker 7 (29:57):
We'll do it next.

Speaker 6 (30:02):
Snoqualmie Casino and Hotel on Sports Radio 93.3, KJR FM.

Speaker 1 (30:13):
A little earlier than.

Speaker 7 (30:17):
Normal.

Speaker 1 (30:17):
We're going to get some text in, though. We've got time.
I just looked through here. Here's the good news if
I'm sitting at T-Mobile Park, happen to be listening to
this show, which I know they all are.

Speaker 3 (30:30):
People still care. First down.

Speaker 1 (30:32):
That's probably the list.

Speaker 7 (30:33):
First down.

Speaker 3 (30:33):
Check it out.

Speaker 11 (30:34):
Anyway.

Speaker 3 (30:36):
People still care.

Speaker 1 (30:36):
They care. I mean, the volume of text is, to
be honest, is overwhelming, which is good. It's a good
problem to have. People are still passionate. Here's the thing.
Apathy hasn't kicked in.

Speaker 3 (30:50):
Anger has. To me, this is the closest I've been
to apathetic.

Speaker 1 (30:54):
You're getting close, but there's still anger overrides apathy right now.
In general, for most. There are those that have tuned out.
But anger has overridden apathy. My God, they had a
three-run lead late in that game yesterday.

Speaker 3 (31:09):
Four-run lead?

Speaker 6 (31:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (31:10):
I think that's the biggest comeback Boston's had since like
three years or something.

Speaker 7 (31:15):
Weird.

Speaker 1 (31:16):
I asked the question, 49451, what is it that annoys
you the most? 206, what annoys me the most is
how Dan looks so damn nervous all the time. This
is a good one, and this sums up a lot
of the texts I'm seeing. 425, biggest annoyance is Mr.
Ego DiBloto. He's seen Moneyball one too many times. He
thinks he can rewrite the game with his analytics, piggyback,

(31:37):
computer management, awful free agent signings, no polls to the team,
or what chemistry means, or having a locker room leaders.
Has a puppet manager, same as service, and thinks he's
smarter than any when in fact he's an egotistical moron.
There's a lot of people that say that Jerry is
the guy that is the cause for their annoyance on
the text line.

Speaker 3 (31:54):
I'm curious for those, if you, okay, I'm going to do,
I'm going to fall into the trap, Ian. You can
only have one to blame, the poto ownership.

Speaker 1 (32:02):
Well, I think it starts with ownership.

Speaker 3 (32:04):
And that's, we kind of had that discussion on Mullenwap yesterday.

Speaker 1 (32:09):
The thing with Jerry, just look at, and I guess
we don't know this. We sort of do because he
does talk about budgets, right? But we really, none of
us know the inner workings of what goes on down there.

Speaker 7 (32:25):
Right.

Speaker 1 (32:25):
How tied are his hands? Is he going after the Pollocks,
the Ref Snyders, the Colton Wongs?

Speaker 3 (32:33):
Because he doesn't have a choice.

Speaker 1 (32:35):
Because that's his only opportunity every year. And so he's
got to do that and he's got to sell it
to everybody. And now he hits left-handers as well as
anybody does. No, he doesn't. But we've heard that eight times.
Are his hands tied? Because I think you can also
look at the other side with Jerry DiPoto and say, look,
pitching staff that's been constructed.

Speaker 3 (32:56):
There's a lot of things he does well.

Speaker 1 (32:59):
I'll take our second baseman right now. Take him, right?

Speaker 3 (33:02):
Hasn't had a great second half.

Speaker 1 (33:04):
No, but he's a kid. Yeah, he's a kid. I
certainly feel like he's your best second baseman since the
future Hall of Famer was there.

Speaker 7 (33:14):
Right?

Speaker 3 (33:14):
Jorge Polanco was really good last year, but yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (33:18):
But that was also a disaster because he started him
at third.

Speaker 7 (33:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (33:21):
Okay. This is a true second baseman.

Speaker 9 (33:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (33:23):
You know, I mean, Julio for all his blemishes. Okay.
The Randy trade. Great. Cal drafting.

Speaker 4 (33:29):
Good.

Speaker 1 (33:30):
Like there's a lot of things he does. Well, we're
going to see Montez tonight.

Speaker 4 (33:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (33:33):
I mean, he may strike out five times, but that's fine. Strikeouts.
Chris tells me are the same as a regular out.

Speaker 3 (33:38):
That's true.

Speaker 1 (33:39):
So, but like he's put stuff together. So I don't
know how much I could put on Jerry.

Speaker 3 (33:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (33:44):
I really don't.

Speaker 3 (33:45):
Go ahead. I'll go to what Nate said yesterday. Yes,
they have a middle-of-the-road payroll, which I think is about what...
I know people want the Mariners to spend more, but
if we're being realistic here.

Speaker 1 (33:58):
Let me counter that real quick, because I got a
text on that. And this ties into it. The 253.
What annoys me is the fact that our attendance is
so high every night with a loser franchise. Nothing will
change until fans take a stand or we have an
owner that wants to win. Go back. You're seventh in attendance.
You're 16th in spending. Now, you have media rights deals

(34:19):
and things like that that get tied into your revenue streams.

Speaker 3 (34:21):
Yes, yes.

Speaker 1 (34:22):
But I think you could make an argument that if
you're seventh in attendance, you could probably be top 10
in payroll, right?

Speaker 3 (34:29):
It's a good argument.

Speaker 1 (34:30):
Right?

Speaker 7 (34:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (34:30):
You're not 16th.

Speaker 5 (34:31):
Right.

Speaker 1 (34:32):
I mean, the Rockies are 17th.

Speaker 3 (34:35):
Where's their payroll?

Speaker 1 (34:37):
They don't care.

Speaker 3 (34:38):
Exactly.

Speaker 1 (34:38):
They don't care about anything.

Speaker 2 (34:39):
No.

Speaker 1 (34:40):
I mean, baseball's a different sport because you're not going
to sell out every night unless you're the Dodgers.

Speaker 3 (34:44):
Yankees, Red Sox.

Speaker 1 (34:45):
But Yankees don't even sell out every night. I mean,
they average 41,000. Yeah. So Red Sox sell out every game.

Speaker 4 (34:49):
They do.

Speaker 3 (34:50):
Except a small stadium.

Speaker 1 (34:51):
Yeah, and that's the thing. Like, I go through that attendance.
It's not based on percentage. It's based on total per game.
But fans still go. Well, they're going to keep going.
I mean, it's... Somebody, 253, they play bad fundamental baseball.
Approach of the plate, fielding, coaching, it's just awful baseball.
Little league teams play better baseball, way more enjoyable. And

(35:12):
we're not, we'll get into the crux of last night
in a second in the next segment before we check
in with Joe Sheehan. 425. Everyone above Stanton who are
chicken to show their faces or speak. Stanton is a
puppet for them. Jerry is a puppet for Stanton. Hollander
is a puppet for Jerry. Dan is a puppet for
all of the above. Last but not least, 54% enough said.
That's what annoys me.

Speaker 2 (35:31):
425.

Speaker 3 (35:31):
I think.

Speaker 1 (35:34):
And I'll read this one. I'll read this one. Cause
I think it's, I'll touch on this a little bit later.
The Mariners like the crack and have no fight in them.
They play poorly or lose a tough one. They can
seem completely apathetic. They look like they're just happy to
be there. Sometimes it's too easy to play in a place, right?
Like there's sometimes it's, it's a little easy. The Mariners
frankly have it pretty easy and crack and do too.

(35:55):
Like when you don't have the Mariners have one traveling
beat writer, right? It's impossible for whoever that is, whether
it be Jude, Divish, or Tim Booth, depending on the trip,
they all rotate. They have one true independent writer that
covers them. One. It used to be the PI traveled,
the Times traveled.

Speaker 3 (36:14):
Athletic when Corey was there. Athletic.

Speaker 1 (36:16):
TNT back in the days of Larry LaRue and Grumpy Bob.

Speaker 3 (36:21):
Right.

Speaker 1 (36:21):
Dutton. They had other media. There was a little more accountability.
There was other guys writing stories. It wasn't just the
Seattle Times. Now they have one paper that covers them,
one media member that covers them every day. And then
when they come back to town, TV guys, it's just,
it's rah, rah, rah. Let's show me the bobblehead. Here
we go. Fireworks. Let's do a live shot. There's no
criticism ever. Criticism on the radio. And frankly, it's only

(36:44):
on here. And it's not just me, like our station, Chuck, me, Softie, whatever.

Speaker 7 (36:48):
Great.

Speaker 1 (36:50):
It's easy to play here. So I think that texter's right.

Speaker 3 (36:53):
It's easy.

Speaker 1 (36:53):
I'll tell you this. I think it's way too easy
to be a Kraken player.

Speaker 3 (36:56):
Totally agree.

Speaker 1 (36:57):
Way too easy. The funniest thing with the Kraken is
they're treated like they are treated like gold, which is
the irony is that other players around the league don't
understand how easy it is to play here and how
well they're treated, how nice it is, the facilities and
everything else. It's really, you, I mean, they should have
just got, if they were in Detroit or someplace else,

(37:21):
That second half or that post-Olympic break last year with
the Kraken, they were going to get eviscerated. Here, it
was like, what can I say?

Speaker 7 (37:29):
You can.

Speaker 1 (37:30):
Others can. But really, it's pretty easy. Go home, have
a nice play. It's too comfortable at times. It's just
too comfortable.

Speaker 3 (37:38):
And that was a lot of the argument with keeping
Dan Wilson is, oh, the players all really like him.

Speaker 1 (37:42):
Maybe you need some uncomfortables. And honestly, I'll switch over
in the Kraken's defense. When they brought Lane in here,
he ain't easy to play for.

Speaker 3 (37:51):
That's true.

Speaker 1 (37:52):
That culture is changing.

Speaker 3 (37:53):
In a good way.

Speaker 1 (37:54):
In a good way. Yeah, Haxtell was borderline. Put him
closer to Mike Babcock than others. Bilesman was just happy
to be back in the NHL. Didn't really, whatever.

Speaker 3 (38:04):
He's very Dan Wilson.

Speaker 1 (38:05):
Bilesman was very Dan Wilson. That blank stare and postgame, like, yeah,
very Dan Wilson.

Speaker 3 (38:12):
Not a ton of accountability.

Speaker 1 (38:14):
Lane sat veterans last year. Jamie Oleksiak sat veterans. Other
guys sat. That doesn't happen usually. So yeah, but I
think it's easy. I think those two franchises, I think
you can compare them. I think it's easy to play here.
I think it's pretty easy. I'm curious, like our other team,
real quick before we go to the break, the Sounders.
I think it's always been easy and nice to play here.
I think there's got to be some pressure there. Now,

(38:35):
I don't know if Adrian cares enough, but he should.
He looks in the stands. They don't have the same. Now,
they had a nice attendance the other day, but they've
had a couple of games where you look out there
and go, whoa, I think a rain game might break
out at any point in time here. Are we sure
the rain aren't playing? There's like 5,000 people there. All right,
we'll take a break, come back, reset the show. Joe Sheehan,
he's going to go off on Dan Wilson, by the way.
I'm just going to tell you that right now. He

(38:55):
is going to go off on Wilson coming up at
120 today on 93.3 KJR FM.

Speaker 6 (39:02):
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Speaker 1 (39:08):
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Speaker 8 (39:10):
Chill.

Speaker 1 (39:12):
Mariners losing yesterday. Extra innings to the Boston Red Sox.
I do believe, Anders, it's going south in a hurry.

Speaker 3 (39:19):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (39:20):
Is that safe to say?

Speaker 5 (39:21):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (39:22):
Mariners are now 64-74. That's 10 games below.

Speaker 3 (39:25):
500.

Speaker 1 (39:25):
They have lost five straight games. Back at it tonight.
Fenway Park, Brian Wu. Road Brian Wu gets a start. Now,
Road Brian Wu in his last two road starts has
been good. Home Brian Wu. In his previous start, his
most recent start.

Speaker 3 (39:42):
Was bad.

Speaker 1 (39:43):
You were there.

Speaker 3 (39:43):
I was there.

Speaker 1 (39:44):
How was that for your son?

Speaker 3 (39:45):
Not great.

Speaker 1 (39:46):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (39:47):
The game, not good, but the experience was fun.

Speaker 1 (39:50):
The experience was fun. But that was home Brian Wu.

Speaker 7 (39:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (39:52):
Which Brian Wu will we get tonight?

Speaker 3 (39:54):
That's in Fenway Park. Probably not good.

Speaker 1 (39:58):
You think nothing but an arsenal of fastballs with a
green monster is a bad thing?

Speaker 3 (40:02):
Probably.

Speaker 1 (40:02):
Yeah. Will Julio boot another ball? Will JP have one
go under his glove like the Little League World Series?

Speaker 3 (40:08):
No, they'll find other ways to tick off fans. They
always do.

Speaker 1 (40:11):
Laz Montez, we're expecting to see him start tonight. I
haven't seen the lineup yet, but I think he's going
to play. He's called up. We'll see. Shiny new toy.

Speaker 3 (40:18):
Hey. Don't look at this.

Speaker 1 (40:20):
Look at this.

Speaker 3 (40:21):
Hey, look, a squirrel. Let's see.

Speaker 1 (40:26):
Dave Mahler, it says here, announces a new sideline reporter
for UW football. Who's that? David Mahler.

Speaker 3 (40:31):
Never heard of him.

Speaker 1 (40:33):
Elise Woodward on the call on Sunday for the Apple
Cup as the new play-by-play voice of the Washington Huskies.
Washington Huskies. Elise on the call.

Speaker 3 (40:43):
My grandpa would always have that accent.

Speaker 1 (40:44):
That's a long way from Elise and Ian at night.
Ian and I at night. That's a long way. That's
good stuff for her. She's done well for herself. Me?
I'm still here. Artie Moreno has agreed to sell the
LA Angels to Stan Kroenke, and Anders tells me that's
not a good thing, if you remember.

Speaker 3 (41:00):
No bueno.

Speaker 1 (41:01):
Kroenke likes to win, does he not?

Speaker 3 (41:03):
Yeah. Rams, Arsenal.

Speaker 1 (41:05):
Let me think. Stanley Cup, NBA title.

Speaker 3 (41:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (41:08):
NFL title, SoFi Stadium, Miles Garrett.

Speaker 3 (41:12):
Good sports owner.

Speaker 7 (41:13):
Hmm.

Speaker 6 (41:15):

Speaker 1 (41:31):
You're telling me ownership matters? Is that what you just
told me?

Speaker 3 (41:34):
Did I just hear you say that? I said no
such thing.

Speaker 4 (41:37):
No, I'm just kidding.

Speaker 3 (41:37):
Yes, it does. It does matter.

Speaker 12 (41:39):
100%.

Speaker 1 (41:40):
It's not Kevin Shockey doing a victory lap.

Speaker 2 (41:44):
I'm like.

Speaker 1 (41:45):
My co-worker, what did he say? His new co-worker is somebody,
I don't even know. Oh, is Mike Trout or something?

Speaker 7 (41:55):
Shut up.

Speaker 3 (41:56):
Oh, we did see a lineup, by the way.

Speaker 1 (41:58):
Give it to me.

Speaker 3 (41:58):
Montez is DHing tonight.

Speaker 7 (42:00):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (42:02):
Orozarena, Canzone, Julio. Weird. No repercussions or anything.

Speaker 7 (42:08):
Accountability, zero.

Speaker 3 (42:09):
Still batting third, even though he's one of the worst
hitters in the lineup the last three weeks. Yeah. Cal, Naylor, Young, Montez, Crawford,
and Brock Rodden, third base, batting ninth. I don't mean
to take shots at Brock Rodden. But it's if you're
a contending team. Yes, it shouldn't happen.

Speaker 2 (42:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (42:31):
No.

Speaker 1 (42:31):
If you're a contending team.

Speaker 3 (42:32):
Which we're not. I've tried to tell you guys this
team isn't going to the playoffs. Everyone just looks at
the standings like they're still in it.

Speaker 1 (42:41):
Well, they are. They're still technically in it. Minus 73
run differential. God, it's so bad. It's so bad. Let's
do the math again. Should we just do the math
one more time for giggles?

Speaker 4 (42:52):
Sure.

Speaker 3 (42:52):
Why not? What do they have to do to go 81-81, Ian?

Speaker 1 (42:57):
To go 81-81? Yeah. 17-7. Is this team capable of
doing that? To have a winning record. A winning record.

Speaker 2 (43:09):
18-6.

Speaker 7 (43:09):
18-6.

Speaker 3 (43:09):
Can they.

Speaker 1 (43:13):
Have an 18-6 month of September?

Speaker 3 (43:16):
Absolutely the blank nuts.

Speaker 1 (43:18):
But they're playing the Angels and the A's.

Speaker 3 (43:20):
I don't care.

Speaker 1 (43:21):
And the Rockies.

Speaker 7 (43:22):
I don't care. I don't care.

Speaker 3 (43:24):
This team is not a winning baseball team.

Speaker 1 (43:28):
50-year-old 503. Ooh, that's down in Oregon listening on the
OIR radio app, probably. 50-year-old original here. No commitment to winning.
DePoto's the smartest guy in the room. Two playoffs in
11 years. Get him out of here. Continued offensive philosophical failures.
Zero fundamentals or small ball. Zero, all caps, accountability. I
will not watch next year if anyone of Jerry... Justin

(43:48):
and Dan are retained, and Kroenke just bought the Angels,
so advantage over them just expired.

Speaker 4 (43:52):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (43:53):
Yeah, we were bringing that up in all seriousness. You
have an owner in Kroenke, and what Kroenke Sports Entertainment is,
they win.

Speaker 3 (44:01):
And they have the financial muscle in LA to do it.
They've got all of that at their fingertips. Now, you
still have to hire the right people. 100%.

Speaker 6 (44:09):
Right?

Speaker 1 (44:09):
You still have to hire the right people.

Speaker 3 (44:10):
He has a good track record of doing that.

Speaker 1 (44:13):
Yeah, it's, I mean... All three of his other North
American teams. I don't know anything about Arsenal.

Speaker 3 (44:18):
Arsenal just won the title last year.

Speaker 2 (44:19):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (44:20):
The Premier League title.

Speaker 1 (44:20):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (44:21):
They're a really freaking good team. So that's really good.

Speaker 4 (44:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (44:23):
And then if you look at what you have, I mean,
the Nuggets, NBA champions not too long ago.

Speaker 2 (44:29):
Nope.

Speaker 1 (44:29):
Very competitive.

Speaker 3 (44:30):
Avalanche, one of the best teams in the league.

Speaker 1 (44:32):
They go to the Stanley Cup final and win it.

Speaker 4 (44:34):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (44:34):
A lot.

Speaker 3 (44:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (44:35):
And have the best players in the world.

Speaker 3 (44:36):
Should have last year, but.

Speaker 1 (44:37):
And go out and find a way to get the
best players in the world to stay there.

Speaker 7 (44:40):
Exactly.

Speaker 1 (44:40):
Dale McCarr, Nathan McKinney, et cetera.

Speaker 7 (44:42):
Right, right.

Speaker 1 (44:43):
And the Rams, we don't need to talk about them
any more than needed. We'll wait until Lund joins us
coming up at 2 o'clock.

Speaker 3 (44:48):
That's lovely. James in the 360 says Montez batting 7th DH,
but the news that he's giving us is he's wearing
number 99, which I love. I love that.

Speaker 1 (44:56):
Is Aaron Judge the only guy in baseball that wears
it right now?

Speaker 3 (44:58):
I'm sure there's more, but he's probably the only notable one.

Speaker 1 (45:01):
What, does he think he's Wayne Gretzky? What are we
doing here?

Speaker 3 (45:03):
It's not retired. There's actually not a lot of numbers
that aren't retired for Yankees. They have a ton of
retired numbers.

Speaker 1 (45:09):
Yeah, no, that's a good point.

Speaker 3 (45:10):
That's a good point. 99 will be retired. Guarantee it.
At some point.

Speaker 1 (45:14):
I see 99. I think of Gretzky, though. I don't
know if I like that.

Speaker 3 (45:17):
A bunch of football players that wear 99?

Speaker 1 (45:20):
Yeah, but they're football players. What happened to the days
of wearing single digits and then teens and 20s and
you're good and that's it? Maybe a couple pitchers have
a 30 or a 40.

Speaker 3 (45:27):
I'm an advocate for number freedom.

Speaker 1 (45:30):
Number freedom.

Speaker 3 (45:31):
Number freedom.

Speaker 1 (45:35):
It has changed a lot. I think I've told this
story before. When I was in Salt Lake and I
was working in the minor league hockey team for the
Utah Grizzlies back in the early 2000s, and we were
an affiliate of a couple teams over the years, Dallas, Islanders,
and Kings. But we had a guy by the name
of Jeff Sharples. He was a veteran player, been around
for a while, had a lot of NHL games under

(45:57):
his belt. kind of riding out the last couple of
years in the old International Hockey League, American Hockey League,
making some money, helping the young guys allegedly. All he
was doing was making like six figures to play minor
league hockey and travel around. But he said, he goes,
I knew my NHL days were kind of numbered. When
I went my last camp with the Detroit Red Wings,
I get there and in my locker, I'm like number 53, right?

(46:21):
And he's like, because back then it was like, dude,
you're headed.

Speaker 7 (46:24):
To the minors. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (46:25):
You are headed to the minors. It used to be
that way in baseball.

Speaker 3 (46:29):
It's true.

Speaker 1 (46:29):
Like you look out at a spring training game and
you see guys wearing 67, like he's not going to
be here. Now that dude, you're starting third baseman, Brock Rodden,
or whatever number he wears. But you know what I'm saying?

Speaker 3 (46:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (46:41):
90.

Speaker 3 (46:41):
Brock Rodden's 90. Is he really?

Speaker 1 (46:42):
God, I didn't even know that. That's actually a great
trivia question. What number does Brock Rodden wear?

Speaker 3 (46:46):
Does it matter? Yeah.

Speaker 1 (46:48):
Does it matter? I don't know. Longest running con job
in Seattle says Tom. And the question, if you're just
joining us, the reason I asked this, I said earlier,
I said, what's, what is it about the Mariners? I'm
trying to put my, I spent last night thinking about this.
And even today, I was just kind of thinking like,
what is it about this team that has so many

(47:09):
people upset? What is it about this team that just
annoys you? Because it's not like, we've suffered through a
lot of losing seasons in Seattle baseball. Like we just have. And, and,
you know, I think, You know, six playoff appearances in
50 years. I think that's it for me. Just the history?

(47:30):
Just the history. And maybe the frustration that comes with
the history.

Speaker 3 (47:35):
Yeah, and you're just over it.

Speaker 4 (47:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (47:37):
I'm going to get into a little more college football tomorrow,
but just in a little brief comparison, I was telling
Big Boss down the hall here.

Speaker 3 (47:43):
Big Boss.

Speaker 1 (47:43):
Big Boss, CrossFit Mark. He was asking about the Apple
cup or football. And I said, you know, like, like
I want to, when, when the Cougs were in the
PAC 12, the real PAC 12, uh, like every year
you went in thinking, okay, we got a chance. And
if we have a good season, surprise some people, uh,
we'll finish, we can finish, you know, we'll be a
ranked team. You know, when your game day came, there's

(48:06):
always a shot to get to a big bowl game place.
I mean, you have a chance, right? You just want
to have a chance. You just want to feel like
your team has a chance. All too often in the
50 years of the Mariners, you just feel like you
don't have a chance. You just don't feel like you
have an opportunity. And when you take that away, that
takes some of the passion away as a fan. And
that's hard. And I think that's kind of what we're

(48:28):
looking at right now. Last night was, and we could
look at 22-0 games or 19-0 games or whatever the
other games they've had over the, you know, Robles pitching,
Parada pitching. Those games are all, to me, those are one-offs.
Last night felt like it was different. Last night felt different.
Last night felt like it was okay. And I think

(48:48):
maybe part of it is the magical number of 10 under. 500.
Even in this awful, awful American League, when you are
10 games below. 500, Anders, that's a, man, that's a
really bad place to be. And I'm just kind of
looking through here. To be 10 games under, how many

(49:09):
times have they finished 10? I'm going to look this up.
How many times have they finished at least 10 games under. 500?
It's quite interesting. They could have one of the worst
seasons they've had as an organization. if September doesn't go
a lot better. Would you have ever thought that in April?

Speaker 3 (49:24):
Absolutely not.

Speaker 1 (49:26):
Joe Sheehan, he didn't like what he saw last night,
and he's ready to talk about it next.

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How are you?

Speaker 4 (50:09):
I'm feeling like the more I think about it, Dan
Wilson actually has done me a solid here. So here's
the thing. Ten days ago, Kate Anderson's first start. And
he totally mishandles that the sixth inning. And I wrote
about it. Even as I was writing about it that Monday,
I was thinking, oh, man, it's a shame I'm not
going on with Ian this week. I was off last week.

(50:29):
And then Dan Wilson goes out last night. I said
this to Jessamyn at one point. I said, Dan Wilson's
got to do his big screw-ups on Sundays and Mondays.
Because if he doesn't on Tuesday night, I don't talk
to you guys for a week. So Dan Wilson last night,
it was one of the worst innings, top to bottom,
that I have ever seen a manager manage.

Speaker 1 (50:51):
I'm not... I have the Blue Sky. I don't always
use it. It's been a while since I've been on it,
but I was alerted by Anderson Hurst, Chris Crawford, and
others yesterday. Oh, Sheehan, Blue Sky. Go check it out.
I flip over there. And I felt like you were
channeling the feelings, the thoughts, the opinions of many Mariner

(51:12):
fans last night. Let's unpack this a little bit, because
we've been having these conversations all year. I brought up
a topic today, Joe, about this baseball team, and I've never...
It's odd. 50 years, six playoff appearances. It looks like
it's going to stay at six. Obviously, a lot of
times there's angst here. There's some frustration with the baseball team.

(51:33):
It's reached a new high this season. Like it literally is, it's,
it's like boiling over and I'm asking people why they're
so annoyed. And a lot of it does come back
to the manager. So let's, let's kind of unpack what
happened in that game. You have a big lead and
then it just disappears. There were, there were a lot
of elements. We can get to Julio and other things
in a minute, but let's just talk about the 10th
inning and I'll let you take it from there because

(51:55):
you're a lot more objective than any of us here
in Seattle. So what the hell was going on in
inning number 10?

Speaker 4 (52:02):
So I know you want to get back to the
other thing, but let's let's I do want to start
with this. This game never should have gone to the
eighth inning.

Speaker 7 (52:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (52:09):
The tenth inning. Bizzardo had Trevor Story and Nick Sogard 0-2.
Couldn't put him away. Julio, just a terrible decision in
the ninth inning, turns a single into an air quotes triple.
And then for some reason, Randy Rosarito decided to say, hey,
this is my Johnny Damon tribute. catching a ball like
290 feet left field and like three hops it to

(52:30):
the plate. If he two hops it, the run is
probably out in the game. So the Mariners players set
all this up top of the tech. Now under the
current rules, runner on second. And you know that no
matter what you do in the top of the inning,
the bottom of the inning is going to start with
a runner on second. In the specific case of last night,

(52:52):
Wilson was going to have to put his third-best right-handed
reliever on the mound. If you look at who was
coming up and who had been used, who was available,
it was going to be Criswell or Vargas.

Speaker 3 (53:01):
Who just came off the aisle, by the way.

Speaker 4 (53:04):
Well, Criswell just didn't. Vargas really did, too. He came
off the aisle 10 days ago. So this is a
situation where you can't play for one run in a
context where you know you're starting the next inning with
a runner on second and nobody else. The team's expectation
in that is to score approximately one run, say 0.97
or something. So you can't, as a road team in

(53:28):
that situation, play for one run unless you're pulling like
Mason Miller out of the bullpen. So the first thing
Wilson does, and I went to look at the video
because I wanted to make sure this wasn't Robles bunting
on his own because I'd made that mistake before. But
Robles clearly squares the sacrifice, fouls one off, squares the
second time, takes, squares the third time and damn near

(53:48):
bunts it past uh, Chapman for a hit. Chapman makes
the play runner goes to third.

Speaker 9 (53:54):
Okay.

Speaker 4 (53:54):
Runner on third one out. Here's the problem. It's Cole Young.
Cole Young's a very good baseball player. He's a left-handed
hitter going up against one of the most dominant left-handed
pitchers in baseball history. So you wasted an out with
the best matchup you were going to have in the inning.
to set up a matchup, that's probably a 35, 40%

(54:14):
chance of a strikeout. And the, the, the outcomes that
aren't strikeouts are pop-ups and like two hoppers to the
first baseman that the, the run is not going to
score on. You're bunting to set up a bad matchup.
So now you've gone from playing for one run to hoping,
hoping for one run and, you know, uh, Chapman erases Young.
Weston Wilson comes up. Look, Weston Wilson's a little better

(54:36):
against lefties, but Weston Wilson's 31 with 380 career plate appearances.
I think if he was going to be a guy
you want up in that situation, we would have learned
it by now. So Chapman erases Wilson. So that's the
top of the end. Dan Wilson plays for one run,
sets up a horrid matchup against Young, and gets nothing
out of it. Okay, you got two bad choices out

(54:56):
of the bullpen. Vargas has thrown four outings, six and
a third innings, and he hadn't pitched in two days.
Criswell literally, as Anders just noted, just came off the aisle.
I don't know that there's a good answer there, but
I probably would not have the guy who hasn't pitched
in three months come into a winning run on second,
nobody out spot. I would have chosen Vargas. This isn't

(55:19):
the biggest mistake he made in the next 30 seconds
of this conversation. Criswell gets Sogard Bunce against Criswell. Runner
on third, one out, Chad Durbin, Caleb Durbin coming to
the plate, right-handed hitter. Now, if you wanted Criswell to
start the inning with a runner on second and a
left-handed batter up, don't you think you wanted him to

(55:42):
face Caleb Durbin? It's Durbin-Duran story. If you can get
Durbin out, you can walk Durbin out, really shouldn't be
walked anyway, and pitch to Story. There are paths through
this inning with Criswell facing two decent to mediocre right-handed
hitters in Durbin and Story. And the other thing is,

(56:03):
if you let your pitcher pitch with a run on
third and one out, he has 11.

Speaker 1 (56:08):
Balls to work with.

Speaker 4 (56:09):
He can try to get Durbin to swing and miss
at a bunch of stuff, and if that doesn't work out,
he can try to get Duran to swing and miss
at a bunch of stuff. He doesn't have to throw
a strike until he throws 11 balls. You're giving Criswell
an opportunity to get out of it with swing and miss.
Not that he's a big swing and miss guy, but
you give him the opportunity. Dan Wilson intentionally walks the

(56:30):
bases loaded. And I got to tell you, man, I
don't like intentionally walking the bases loaded in any circumstance
for what the reason I just said. And yeah, you
can come up with edge cases where it makes sense,
where it's Jordan Alvarez followed by Anders in the batting order,
and all that makes sense. But in this case, where
you've got a right-on-right matchup, first and second base open,

(56:52):
I think you've got to go after Durbin. So now
I want to go back to the first point. Criswell
hasn't pitched in the majors in three months. And you're
saying to him, we're going to take away all of
your rope and make you pitch to a batter But
the base is loaded and one out, and you have
no margin for error now. And sure enough, Criswell throws

(57:13):
three pitches out of the zone, comes in with two
sinkers for strikes. But Story knows that Criswell has to
throw a strike here. And that's the advantage you've given
away with the back-to-back intentional walks. Single into the gap,
Red Sox win. From start to finish, Ian, from the
decision to bunt, which to set up Nicole Young to
play for one run with Cooper Criswell coming into.

Speaker 3 (57:33):
The game, and then to walk.

Speaker 4 (57:37):
two mediocre batters to load the bases, taking away all
of Criswell's margin for error. You just don't see this anymore.
I live through Ron Washington. I once wrote 3,000 words
about one decision Ron Washington made in the 2011 World Series.
This was up there in terms of managerial malfeasance. I

(57:58):
know we've been picking on Dan for quite a while now.
I get that. Maybe people are tired of it. I
don't know. I have to say that If we grant
the initial thing that the game never should have gone
to the 10th and the players were the cause of that,
what Dan Wilson did in the 10th inning was put
his team in position to lose. He made his team

(58:18):
more likely to lose. He put his players, Cole Young,
Cooper Criswell, in position to fail. And that's just the
prime directive is put your players in position to succeed.
He's not doing that. He didn't do it with Kate
Anderson 10 days ago. He didn't do it with Cole
Young last night. He didn't do it with Cooper Criswell
last night.

Speaker 1 (58:36):
Yeah, I thought, just a real quick side note, that
Kate Anderson debut was borderline criminal. Like, could have had just, now,
I mean, I don't even, it doesn't even matter they
came back to win the game because Randy has carried
this team so many times. But that was criminal in
his first game. Last night, you know, I'm watching it

(58:57):
and I'm thinking, this is the same thing. It's like,
wait a second. Like, you already have the winning run
on third with one out. So you're already in a
bad situation, right? So you're gonna bring the infield in
If you, if you want to make the, I don't
even think you make the argument that you walk one
guy for a double play because that's never guaranteed.

Speaker 7 (59:15):
Right, Joe?

Speaker 1 (59:16):
Like that's just a, that's a, that's a big, big risk.
You've already put yourself in that position.

Speaker 4 (59:20):
Let's say for the sake of argument, if Duran is
batting and Durbin's on deck.

Speaker 3 (59:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (59:25):
Okay. Well now I'm putting the runner on, but I've
got a decent chance of turning the two. The catch
there is though the runner, the runner you walk is
pretty much always going to go to second without a throw.

Speaker 2 (59:33):
Yes.

Speaker 4 (59:34):
Like that's just an automatic play. Now you're not throwing
down and risking a throw in the center field that
loses you the game. So really, any intentional walk there
is just going to lead you back to second and third,
nobody out in field, or one out in field.

Speaker 1 (59:45):
Well, with Trevor's story coming up then, as you mentioned, 3-0,
and he's just waiting. Because he's going to get that
pitch that he wants. He's going to get a pitch,
he's going to put a bat on, and the game's
more than likely going to be over. And when you
asked about, you know, are people tired of the Dan
Wilson criticism, I think the answer is no. I think
it's like people are yelling it from the mountaintops here.
And Joe, it just brings us back, bigger picture, is

(01:00:08):
just this team. And how, I mean, I don't think
any of us on September 1st could have imagined, take
the standings, games behind, all that stuff out. Because Anders
brings that up, and you're right, Anders. I bring that
up all the time. Hey, they're kind of still sort
of in it, right? Just take all that aside. The
Seattle Mariners, with this roster and where they were last year,

(01:00:31):
Joe Sheehan, they are 10 games under. 500 as we
start September. Like, how can that be?

Speaker 4 (01:00:41):
It's the more recent collapse. If you go back even
six weeks, they weren't playing well. They were hovering around 500.
But you kind of looked at the underlying numbers and said,
you know, this is still one of the better teams
in the American League. They've lost that over these last
six weeks. They actually, the run differential is minus 45-50 now.
The third-order record is now under 500. Like, all the

(01:01:01):
things I might have been able to say about this
team six weeks ago have been erased over the last
six weeks. And, again, it's the players. Naylor, Rodriguez. Rally,
like eight wins short of where we would have expected
them to be. And now the starting pitching has fallen apart.
George Kirby, who I've been backing since the late 70s,
has just stopped putting the ball past hitters. You know,

(01:01:22):
Biller got hurt. Anderson's up. We'll see what Montez can do.
But it's just the core players on this team, by
which I mean the rotation, the top of the bullpen,
and the starting lineup, the top six guys normally in
the starting lineup. have simply completely underperformed. And they've gotten
good performance from some other guys. You know, we talked,
we can't cancel a rally before he got hurt. Cole

(01:01:43):
Young came up and played well. Emerson obviously got hurt,
but he held his own as a 20 year old
in the majors. There were good things that happened this year,
but when the top of your roster just misses a year, it's,
it's really, really hard. And again, I don't want to
put that on Dan Wilson because Dan Wilson managed these
guys last year and they all played well. So I
think you kind of got to be careful about that.
But from a tactical standpoint, he's absolutely murderizing. And that's

(01:02:07):
the thing. So 64 and 74, what is it, six
games out?

Speaker 1 (01:02:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:02:12):
Here's the thing. Have you looked at the last 24 games? Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:02:16):
Oh, yeah. But, Joe, let's do that for a second
under the context of this. They're in the same category
as all those teams are playing. I mean, in theory,
they're better. They should be better and all that. But
it's not like the Mariners are playing a bunch of
really bad teams and aren't a bad team themselves right now.

Speaker 4 (01:02:37):
They look like a bad team right now, but just
line up, you know, look at the lineups, look at
the rosters. They are light years, but certainly than the
current version of the A's certainly better than the Rockies. And,
you know, I guess maybe the angels, you make an argument,
the angels are playing better, but you're talking about the
three worst teams in baseball. And you look at that
and go, there's an opportunity here. to go 14-3 in
those games, to go 15-2. You're just that much better

(01:02:59):
than the teams you're going to play. Five of the
other games are the teams you're chasing at home. When
they get back from Boston, everything is on the West
Coast except for a three-day trip to Denver. It is
just a gift from the gods, the September schedule. Yes,
they squandered a lot of that advantage over the last
10 days. They should be a lot closer to first place.

(01:03:21):
They should be a lot closer to a playoff spot.
But if there's one team in the league that's going
to rip off 18-6, looking at the schedule, looking at
just the talent base, I think you've got to say
it's the Mariners. And, you know, I've been backing this
team all year. And I look at the talent relative
to the Rangers and the Astros, and I still think
they have that kind of upside. Obviously, it's probably going
to come down to the head-to-head games. And if the

(01:03:44):
Astros come in and take two out of three at
some point, okay, well, you know, it's not going to happen.
If they go to Denver and lose two out of three, okay,
it's not going to happen. But I think when you
look at a team that's going to be favored in
probably 20 of its last 24 games, you've got to
still be able to say, and again, they're not chasing
the 27 games. The Astros have gotten to 70 in 68.

(01:04:05):
We're kind of throwing a parade for them at this point.
It's frustrating because I keep going back to the example
of Ned Yost. I want to get this year right.
So 7, 08, I think it was 08. Ned Yost
is a terrible tactical manager, and he still won a
World Series with the Royals. But two weeks left in

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the season, Doug Melvin fired him because he was such
a bad tactical manager. The Brewers closed 7-5, ended up
making the playoffs and getting knocked out. It's not too
late to fire Dan Wilson. It would be unusual. I'm
going back to 2007 or 2008 for my example here.
Let's be clear. But it's not too late to just
replace him with a Ficus. Just stick a houseplant right

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there in the corner and say, you're the manager now.
Because we're at a point where replacing Dan Wilson with
a plant is actually probably an upgrade. That's how much
he's hurting this team right now.

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two things I want to unpack with that. Let me
start first with, if they were to make a managerial move,

(01:05:19):
outside of putting a ficus plant or even, you know,
a rosebush or something there in the dugout, would you,
would you just hand it over to Manny Acta? You
saw what he did before as a manager. Would you just,
I mean, he's got a managerial experience. Would you give
it to him or what would you do?

Speaker 4 (01:05:33):
He's also got a huge fan on the other end
of this phone call. I think Manny Acta really inherited
two bad jobs in his career. And that kind of
painted him. But you're talking about a guy who almost
the opposite of Dan Wilson in terms of how he
understands game state and, I don't want to say he's
a stat head, but he's a lot closer than Wilson is.

(01:05:54):
I think Manny Acta would be an enormous upgrade. I
think he's got a great baseball mind, and I think
that you just make that move today, and whatever happens,
you've made the manager position better. And again, you can't
really go outside the organization at this point. It's got
to be somebody who's already in the dugout, and I
think handing the reins to Acta It feels like what
they did two years ago, cashiering service and going to Wilson.

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But I'm certain in this case that Manny Acton would
be very good in the job.

Speaker 1 (01:06:19):
Well, if you did that and it was Manny. The
next step would be not to hand him a three-year
contract and just say you're an interim. Can you just
say you're an interim manager?

Speaker 4 (01:06:29):
Oh, my God.

Speaker 1 (01:06:29):
Right? Yes.

Speaker 4 (01:06:30):
That's all you do. And see how it plays out.
I mean, you would consider, again, if Manny Act is
the manager on opening day 2027, I think that's a
boost for the Mariners. But you play it out and
you do a real search and include Act in that search.
But you say, look, Danny, take the job for the
next three weeks or four weeks, hopefully seven weeks, and

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we're all in a dog pile. But there's absolutely no
reason to make a managerial commitment for 27 right now. None.

Speaker 1 (01:07:00):
Joshian brought to you by Northwest Handling Systems. You mentioned
the Astros. Let's dance down that road for a second.
They're at 70-68. They've played better lately. They've got probably
the MVP of the American League on their roster. That's
just a monster. true aircraft carrier handicap Houston for me. Like,

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are they going to, are they going to hang around?
Cause right now, if they were to finish 82 and 80,
cause there are two games above 500, but let's just
say they stay on relatively the same pace and they
finish a little above 500. Seattle would have to do
what you just said. Seattle would have to go 18
and six the rest of the way to, to tie up.

Speaker 5 (01:07:38):
Right.

Speaker 4 (01:07:38):
I think they have the tiebreaker over the Astros, and
they don't have it over the Rangers.

Speaker 7 (01:07:42):
Correct.

Speaker 1 (01:07:42):
18-6 would get you, and say Houston plays 500 ball
and they finish two games above 500, then Seattle would
have the tiebreaker. But again, Seattle would have to go
18-6 the rest of the way. How concerned is Houston
finding itself? Are they truly that team that is two
games above 500 and could finish even higher than that?

Speaker 4 (01:08:03):
They won five of the last seven. They went to
New York, they came here and they won four out
of six in the city, which is a good road trip.
I mean, the Mets are competitive. The Yankees obviously a
good team. The series at home against the White Sox.
We've seen them in the offense. It's Alvarez, but we
started to see them get a little more out of
Christian Walker, get a little more out of Iza Perides. So,
you know, the depth is there in a way that
it hasn't always been for them this season and the

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starting pitching. So, I mean, getting a lot of Peter Lambert,
Hayden Wisniewski and, I'm not saying I don't like any
of these guys, but it's not what you would consider
to be a playoff top three. Hunter Brown, really been
a box of chocolates this year. You never know what
you're going to get. I guess the rest of that is,
but you know, it's going to be good. And that's
not been the case with Brown this year. He's capable
of going out there and walking four and five innings.

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Just not looking right. The bullpen better recently. Ryan Abreu
got off to a terrible start this year. He's been better.
We know they've been tough on the left side with
haters and getting him back. It's a very front loaded team.
And it is a five. talent team. And I say
that to make the point, well, the 78, 68. So,
I mean, that's one obvious point, but a team that

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is a 500 talent team over 24 games can do
just about anything. And this is kind of the point
I'm making. I've talked about the Tigers today. I talked
about the Mariners today. Like there is no, real upper
or lower bound when you have a 500 team playing
24 games, which is why 18 and six is in play.
Six and 18 is in play for the Astros. It's
also 18 and six. We're at a point now where

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like projections matter less than how you play on the field.
And I know the stat isn't supposed to say things
like that, but it really does come down to, okay,
who wins the head to head games and you know,
what random gets hot over the, you know, does Montez
come up? and play like Cesar Cedeno did down the
stretch in 85 or Shane Spencer for the Yankees in 98?
Do you get that kind of crazy rookie performance that

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lifts the offense and makes it that much better? Does
Carlos Vargas, who didn't pitch last night, does he end
up throwing 12 shutout innings in September and fixing some
of the bullpen problems? The range of outcomes for any
player over the next 25 days is just incredibly wide.
And this is where analysis kind of over Billy Bean

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would say, you know, my stuff doesn't work in the playoffs.
My stuff doesn't work in September. It's just, hey, look,
roll the balls out and let's see what happens. So
that's why I'm trying to keep an open mind about
what could happen here. Because all three of the teams
in this race are capable of just about anything over
a 24-game stretch. They've showed us that all year long.
They've had good long extended stretches and they've had bad

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extended stretches.

Speaker 1 (01:10:34):
I got one more quick one for you. I didn't
want to let this segment go without asking because we
kind of glossed it over, but you mentioned the players.
You know, Bizzardo is number five in the league in
terms of appearances, number one for the Mariners. I feel
at some time you're just kind of overusing this guy,
but let's move on from him just in the interest
of time. As you said, the air quote triple. Julio,

(01:10:55):
his defense has taken a step back, not just last night.
The metrics tell us the defense has taken a step back.
What does Joe Sheehan see with Julio Rodriguez?

Speaker 4 (01:11:04):
Yeah, just the reads are bad. I mean, he hasn't
lost a ton of raw speed, but he's lost a step,
we'll say. But really, it's just the reads just seem
to be off this year. And I'm not sure... It
could just be a bad, and the same way guys
have bad years at the plate. The year that Cal
Raleigh is having at the plate, Julio's having in the field.
The play last night, that's a judgment. You know, he
kind of thought he could make the play and just

(01:11:24):
made it. It wasn't a physical issue so much as
it was he reacted too late to realizing he wasn't
going to get to the ball. So, I mean, that's
going to happen. But you've got to have game state
in mind, right? You've got to make that decision a
little bit quicker, keep the ball in front of you.
A single might not score. A triple is almost certainly
going to score with nobody else. So that's part of it.

(01:11:44):
You know, Rosarito, he's been so great. I want to
pick on him for one throw, but.

Speaker 3 (01:11:47):
Man, that was a bad throw.

Speaker 4 (01:11:49):
But yeah, I think Julio, the funny thing about Julio
Rodriguez is that his floor is still going to end
up being like a three, three and a half one season.
That's the thing about a superstar superstar can have a
bad year and still be helping you. And are we
holding Julio Rodriguez to such a high standard that he
can't have a three and a half one season and,
and still be good. I do think I will say this.

(01:12:11):
What we've seen this year has to carry over into
next year. If he has this year, next year, maybe
you've got to start thinking about him as a right fielder.

Speaker 7 (01:12:19):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:12:20):
We've got a lot to chew on. That was a
hell of a segment, Joe.

Speaker 3 (01:12:22):
Thanks, Dan.

Speaker 1 (01:12:23):
Thanks, Mariners, for doing it on a Monday as well.
That's even better. It's all fresh in my mind. Tell
people about the Joe Sheehan newsletter, sir.

Speaker 4 (01:12:29):
JoeSheehan.com. Get all the information there. I've excerpted a piece
from today's newsletter about Dan Wilson. I actually excerpted one
from the Kate Anderson one last week, I think, too.
So check those out. Get all the information on how
to subscribe. Look, this September and October, there's going to
be a ton of content, a ton of writing, hopefully
a ton of writing about the Mariners. And I hope
you'll check out the newsletter, JoeSheehan.com.

Speaker 1 (01:12:50):
Look forward to next week, my friend. Thank you so much.

Speaker 4 (01:12:53):
Thanks, Ian.

Speaker 1 (01:12:53):
That's Joe Sheehan. Man, he was revved up today. That
was as good as it gets right there. That was
as good as it gets. We'll wrap up hour number two.
Don't forget, John Lund, 2 o'clock, 93.3 KDRFM.

Speaker 6 (01:13:05):

Speaker 1 (01:13:24):
A lot of good feedback on Joe Sheehan today. He
was revved up to say the very least. Not even
a Mariner fan.

Speaker 3 (01:13:32):
He's revved up. Love it.

Speaker 1 (01:13:33):
I think what it is, Joe doesn't like to see
bad baseball. Or bad baseball decisions.

Speaker 5 (01:13:39):
Right?

Speaker 1 (01:13:39):
It's true.

Speaker 3 (01:13:41):
I'm surprised he was as high a maniac as he was.

Speaker 1 (01:13:44):
Yeah, a lot of people aren't, right?

Speaker 3 (01:13:46):
Some aren't. Chris Crawford's one of them. So that's an
interesting conversation. Maybe those two have.

Speaker 1 (01:13:52):
I need to take a Tuesday off so they can
get together again and have a little spicy conversation.

Speaker 7 (01:13:57):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (01:13:59):
I think it's interesting because the few times that either
Dan Wilson's been tossed and then Maniac has been making
the decisions, it's like, whoa. It's a completely different shift.
It's a shift.

Speaker 1 (01:14:09):
Let me ask the one question about, because I had
you look this up. So, Bizzardo gets beat up a
little bit.

Speaker 3 (01:14:14):
Yeah, he does.

Speaker 1 (01:14:17):
Unfortunately for him, last year, it won't haunt him as
bad as it will Dan, but it'll still be there
for him. He's the guy that gave it up.

Speaker 2 (01:14:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:14:27):
But I heard Greg today driving in. He's talking about
where the hell was Ferrer. It doesn't matter, right? I
would assume tonight Munoz isn't available.

Speaker 3 (01:14:42):
Probably not.

Speaker 2 (01:14:43):
Right?

Speaker 1 (01:14:43):
He threw two innings.

Speaker 7 (01:14:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:14:46):
Because he went to that set. Because he came in
the eighth. First of all, they did what we all wanted.

Speaker 3 (01:14:51):
The four-out save. Honestly, this is the other thing. He
pitched well. He pitched extremely well. His center fielder failed him.
Failed him.

Speaker 1 (01:15:00):
Failed him miserably. But the Bazzardo thing, I guess the
only thing I'd ask, Dan just goes to that well,
but where else can he go?

Speaker 7 (01:15:10):
One.

Speaker 1 (01:15:11):
And two, my God, Bazzardo. So where does he rank
in terms of appearances?

Speaker 3 (01:15:15):
Fifth in the entire league. So he's made the fifth
most relief appearances in the entire league.

Speaker 1 (01:15:20):
And if we're being honest, he's not in low leverage situations.

Speaker 3 (01:15:25):
No, not a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:15:27):
I don't know who the other guys are. If the
four guys ahead of him are guys that are long
relievers or low leverage guys, what it is. But I
would just say... It's kind of a mixed bag. Okay,
so at least a couple of them.

Speaker 3 (01:15:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:15:40):
That's a different type of pitching than Nick Davila coming
in and mopping things up.

Speaker 3 (01:15:45):
Yeah, 100%.

Speaker 7 (01:15:45):
Right?

Speaker 1 (01:15:46):
Yeah. I guess I just want to give Bizarro a
little bit of a pass. To me, the guy's just
a warrior.

Speaker 3 (01:15:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:15:52):
And you just keep going to that well. That's not
his fault. That's roster construction.

Speaker 3 (01:15:56):
Yeah, and he made a mistake against Toronto. We all
admit that. Doesn't look back to tag the guy. But again,
it's becoming a thing where it's not one player making
these mistakes. It's the entire team.

Speaker 1 (01:16:07):
Well, and the thing with that in Toronto, I know
it was loud. Dan kind of tried to cover up
for him saying it was loud there and all that. Like,
where are the rest of your infielders? like making him
like yelling, like, like we've all played baseball at a
very low level, right? Like whether it's how many outs
are there? One out, two outs, raising your hands, just resetting. Hey,
he's coming home. He's coming home.

Speaker 3 (01:16:29):
Or you have to tag the guy. You can't just
step on the plate. I mean, it's just, it goes
to what, what Joe was saying. An upgrade in the,
in the dugout is possible. It goes a long way.

Speaker 1 (01:16:42):
And it would probably change some things. And I think
if you want to convince your fan base that you
really care about winning and there's a sense of urgency,
that's probably the only, the only way to do that.
Now you can, you can cross your fingers and hope
like hell, like Joe said, that you go 18 and six,
like he seems, you don't seem confident that he does.

Speaker 3 (01:17:02):
I'm just not. And like, I get it. Like he's
a very projections based guy. He looks at the rosters.
He looks at the numbers, uh, what the underlying metrics
say about what you can do. And yes, we think
the Mariners are a bad baseball team. The majority of
these teams that we're playing against in September are worse,
even now. Even now.

Speaker 1 (01:17:22):
Even now, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:17:23):
So, yeah, I get the feeling about that, but this
team just has no juice, man. And maybe it's coming
from a place of wishful thinking that they don't do it.

Speaker 1 (01:17:31):
The Mariners are 11 games better than the A's, the Angels,
and 12 games better than the Rockies, those teams that
we mentioned.

Speaker 2 (01:17:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:17:40):
The run differential, though, the Mariners are exactly the same
as the Angels. Now, I know there's been a couple blowouts,
but my guess is the Angels have had blowouts, too.

Speaker 3 (01:17:47):
Well, it's funny. Those are, what, three of the five
teams that you play in September?

Speaker 1 (01:17:52):
Yeah, but the other two are.

Speaker 3 (01:17:53):
The other two are the two guys you're chasing.

Speaker 1 (01:17:55):
Yeah, those are the series that matter.

Speaker 4 (01:17:57):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (01:17:57):
Actually, honestly, if we're being... That's what matters. It doesn't matter.
The game's really against the slappies. You can't kick those.
But if you take two out of three or whatever
it is, or three out of four this weekend from
the A's, then that's good. But then if you lose
to the Rangers. It doesn't matter if you lose to
the Rangers. And probably more so even the Rangers.

Speaker 5 (01:18:18):
Right?

Speaker 1 (01:18:18):
Because you're already behind them by a game.

Speaker 3 (01:18:22):
100%. You have kind of the game. And you've already
lost the tiebreaker.

Speaker 1 (01:18:25):
Right? Yeah, so... Oh, God.

Speaker 3 (01:18:28):
It's just a mess. It's a mess.

Speaker 1 (01:18:29):
It's a mess.

Speaker 3 (01:18:30):
Absolute mess.

Speaker 1 (01:18:30):
Speaking of a mess, John Lund next.

Speaker 6 (01:18:35):
Now, from the Star-Reynolds Sports Desk, your 93.3 KJR FM
Sports Headlines.

Speaker 1 (01:18:41):
Back to you by Frostbrook Coors Light. Choose chill. Mariners
back at it tonight in Fenway against the Red Sox.
They enter the game 10 games below.

Speaker 7 (01:18:48):
500. Lose.

Speaker 1 (01:18:50):
Streak continues. Brian Wu will try to end it tonight.
Laz Montez gets his Major League debut. Is he 6th, right?
6th in the lineup, I do believe?

Speaker 10 (01:18:57):
7th.

Speaker 1 (01:18:57):
7th? There you go. So something to keep an eye
on later on tonight. Also Major League Baseball. Artie Moreno
selling the LA Angels to Stan Kroenke for about $ 4 billion.
Cronky owns the Nuggets. They've won an NBA title. The Avalanche,
they've won a couple Stanley Cups. The Rams. You hit that.

(01:19:19):
Angels may not be a doormat anymore. That's no fun.
Let's see what else.

Speaker 7 (01:19:23):
Oh, Huskies.

Speaker 1 (01:19:24):
David Mahler announces a new sideline reporter for UW football. Congratulations, David.
I'll have to meet him someday. All right, let's get
to it. You've been waiting for it all day, all week.
John Lund standing by.

Speaker 6 (01:19:36):
Welcome to Ian's weekly visit with John Lund Unleashed. He's
a Bay Area media icon who's known Ian for over
25 years. But don't let their age change your opinion
of them. John takes you through the Bay Area and
the NFC West and dukes it out with Ian over
the Niners and the Hawks.

Speaker 3 (01:19:54):
So let's unleash it. Now with John Lund, here's Ian.

Speaker 1 (01:19:59):
Well, there he is, ladies and gentlemen, John Lund. I'm
looking forward next Wednesday. I'll have to tape it because
I'll be on the air, but it's the big, is
it Wednesday or Thursday, the big 49ers roundtable that you're
a part of that I hear about on KNBR.

Speaker 3 (01:20:14):
Is that right?

Speaker 1 (01:20:15):
Can't wait for that.

Speaker 7 (01:20:16):
Yeah, I'm leading the roundtable. Can you imagine?

Speaker 1 (01:20:19):
That's right, because it's during your show, isn't it? Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:20:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:20:23):
Well, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:20:23):
So, uh, yeah, we're, we're getting ready for the season.
Everybody's excited.

Speaker 2 (01:20:27):
Uh, you know, Aaron Donald's coming back, whatever Sean McVeigh's
is obnoxious as ever. And I know in Seattle that
you'll be rooting for the 49ers and you can't deny
it because you hate the Rams worse. I know.

Speaker 3 (01:20:40):
You're going to be rooting for him.

Speaker 1 (01:20:41):
We will get to that more, especially next week, because
when we do talk to you next week, we'll be
on the eve of the opener in Seattle, and we'll
be 48 hours away from 49ers Rams down under. And then, yeah,
you're right. We will have to be 49er fans at
least for one night. So listen, I listened to the
show today driving in. I've got a lot of feedback.

(01:21:03):
Do you want it? I got a lot of feedback here. Yeah,
what do you got? Commercial breaks are way too long. Uh,
that's not, that's number one. Uh, I don't, but I'm
very popular.

Speaker 7 (01:21:13):
I mean, lots of people want to be on the show.
I mean, that's all it tells me is lots of commercials.
I mean, it's, I'm in demand. All the rest of
the shows don't have any commercials.

Speaker 1 (01:21:22):
Well, I got to carry the whole thing. That's heavy burden.
I knew you were going to say that. That's where
I come in. That's, that's where the feedback comes. You
don't have a lot of, well, you have a lot
of commercials, but it's Redwood Credit Unions, like the sponsor
every other spot plays is Redwood Credit Union. I mean,
I feel like I need to go to Redwood Credit Union.

(01:21:43):
I heard them all the time. Who is Redwood Credit Union?
Do you even know who they are? Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:21:47):
Yeah, I'm a member of Redwood Credit Union. What are
you talking about?

Speaker 1 (01:21:49):
Okay, there you go.

Speaker 7 (01:21:50):
That's my bank.

Speaker 2 (01:21:52):
That's where I put the gobs of money that they
pay me. It's the best credit union in the history
of credit unions.

Speaker 1 (01:21:58):
I did that.

Speaker 7 (01:21:59):
Don't you talk down to them. I could be in
a lot of trouble.

Speaker 1 (01:22:02):
I'd get a hold of this, and they'll be like,
did you hear that?

Speaker 7 (01:22:04):
Did you hear what he did? Did you hear what
he was saying, that joker in Seattle?

Speaker 1 (01:22:07):
Well, let's see. This is amazing. London trouble at KMBR.
Water's wet, sun's hot.

Speaker 7 (01:22:11):
What's... Yeah, I've already been in trouble a couple of times.
I've already been.

Speaker 3 (01:22:16):
Called into meetings.

Speaker 1 (01:22:16):
How many times?

Speaker 7 (01:22:17):
Can't say that.

Speaker 3 (01:22:18):
You remember?

Speaker 7 (01:22:19):
Can't say that. This isn't a podcast. Can't say that.

Speaker 1 (01:22:22):
Can you get fired by the same station twice in
the course of 24 months?

Speaker 7 (01:22:27):
Probably. If someone's going to do it, it's yours truly.

Speaker 2 (01:22:31):
I have been called into meetings already to be like, hey, remember.

Speaker 7 (01:22:35):
You're back on the radio. It's terrestrial. There's the SEC.
And I'm like, you guys.

Speaker 1 (01:22:40):
Are not any fun.

Speaker 7 (01:22:42):
Can't say that.

Speaker 1 (01:22:43):
Before I get to the creepy guy impersonating a 49er
player and all that stuff in a second, we'll get
some NFL stuff. So I did have a– I got a–
I was very interested in the best sports cities argument
because I found– and this all stems from– we talked
about this yesterday. So, like, nobody went to the USC game, right,
because it was hot in– hang on.

Speaker 7 (01:23:05):
LA. Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:23:06):
So they didn't go to that because it was hot.
Bad team, whatever. They didn't go. And now there's this debate.
Is it media on media crime about if LA is
a good sports town?

Speaker 7 (01:23:14):
That's awesome.

Speaker 5 (01:23:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:23:16):
So what happened was, so they're going crazy. They do
this every year, right? They do this in LA every year.
They have this debate.

Speaker 2 (01:23:23):
So they don't show up. And USC is the professional team.

Speaker 7 (01:23:26):
Everybody knows.

Speaker 2 (01:23:27):
Seahawks fans dominate down there. We call it Levi's South here.
Niner fans go down there. The whole reason why the Rams,
by the way, are playing the 49ers, because the 49ers
take over their stadium anyway, so they thought, let's just
take it out.

Speaker 7 (01:23:39):
Let's go to Australia.

Speaker 2 (01:23:40):
They had their choice to play anybody, and they took
the 49ers. But essentially what happened was the Coliseum.

Speaker 7 (01:23:47):
Holds about 80,000 people. It's San Jose State. They stink.

Speaker 2 (01:23:51):
And then you've got heat in LA, you know, excessive
90 degrees until nobody went. And they said, I think
they said.

Speaker 7 (01:23:59):
There was like 50,000.

Speaker 3 (01:24:00):
There's no way.

Speaker 2 (01:24:00):
I mean, I watched the game cause I got nothing
else to do. So there's maybe 30,000 in that place.

Speaker 7 (01:24:05):
And so then what happened was Jim Rome comes on
and he says something like, Hey, we're a bunch of
front runners essentially.

Speaker 3 (01:24:10):
And there's lots to do in California.

Speaker 2 (01:24:12):
Then Bill Plasky, their main columnist at the LA time
goes crazy. Then our friend.

Speaker 7 (01:24:15):
Colin Coward jumps in.

Speaker 2 (01:24:17):
So these guys are having media on media crime about
how good of a sports city L.A. is when we
all know that it's a front-runner sports city because what
Plasky tried to write was that we're discerning fans.

Speaker 7 (01:24:28):
So in other words, we don't go if you suck.

Speaker 2 (01:24:31):
Well, doesn't that fly in the face of being a
good sports city? I mean, this is an endless conversation,
but I even, I gave Seattle credit on my show today.

Speaker 7 (01:24:37):
I was saying, look, I think the Bay area is
the best sports city on the West coast. I should
say that that's where I am, but I think Seattle's
really good. We don't have the college influence that you
have like Sanford and Cal, even when Harbaugh and luck
were good. We didn't, we don't talk about college football ever.

Speaker 2 (01:24:51):
We're not a very good hockey town unless the sharks
are really good, which they might be shortly. But, you know,
I think because we've had this rivalry, I mean, football,
we're both into football. You guys get the Sonics back.

Speaker 7 (01:25:01):
You didn't lose this. Just like the A's and the Raiders.
They didn't lose them.

Speaker 2 (01:25:04):
Because they have bad fans. They have bad ownership, bad deals,
all that kind of stuff. That's not why the Sonics left.
It was, you know, it was a bad owner who
was going to.

Speaker 7 (01:25:12):
Yeah, right. So I don't that's not checkmark against Seattle
or anything.

Speaker 2 (01:25:15):
But I think it's just always a fascinating conversation.

Speaker 7 (01:25:18):
Because the other thing too is, and I know people
get mad at this, but like all of us are
front runners, media, fans, everything. Because when it starts to.

Speaker 2 (01:25:26):
Be on the news, like last year, Seattle went, right,
the Seahawks won the Super Bowl. You know this because
you work in TV, you've worked in TV news a ton.
All of a sudden, when, as the sports guy, you're
leading the sports cast.

Speaker 7 (01:25:37):
You know, the two anchors come on and go, and
it's the 11 o'clock nightly news. Hey, here's Ian Ferdows.
What's going on with the Seahawks?

Speaker 2 (01:25:44):
Normally, it's like you get 90 seconds at the end
of the broadcast, right? But everyone's front running, so they
want to, they throw to you like.

Speaker 7 (01:25:50):
A minute into the broadcast, right? Well, that's what you
do when your team wins. So there's nothing wrong with
being a front runner. Every city does that.

Speaker 1 (01:25:57):
Yeah, you go from D block to A block just
like that in the newscast. You know something's going on.

Speaker 7 (01:26:01):
You listen to that.

Speaker 1 (01:26:02):
Exactly. D block to A block.

Speaker 3 (01:26:04):
You got it. There you go.

Speaker 1 (01:26:05):
Use that on your show. You'll sound smart. John Lund
joining me. I bring it up for this reason. Two things. One,
Stanford's a joke, dude. They're a joke. Like there was like,
there's like 12 people at that game. They're like, that's
a joke.

Speaker 7 (01:26:19):
Like, like, yeah, no matter how bad you are, that's
just a job.

Speaker 1 (01:26:22):
But you know, you brought up the sports town. I
did hear you give Seattle a little bit of credit. I, I,
whatever list you had in front of you, whoever made
that list had Kansas city is number 10. That's a,
that's kind of a joke. They've got, they're a good
chief town, but nobody cares about the Royals.

Speaker 5 (01:26:37):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:26:37):
And that's, they don't have anything else.

Speaker 3 (01:26:39):
And that's it.

Speaker 1 (01:26:40):
They only have those two teams. And if you want
to go to the colleges, none of the colleges are
in Kansas city. They're all a drive.

Speaker 5 (01:26:46):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:26:46):
So I think about that.

Speaker 2 (01:26:48):
I think, you know, I think we'd all admit this,
that the tier one cities, like the tier one cities
are Boston, Philadelphia, New York. I think you throw Chicago
in there. There's different variations of it. See, I think
that if you go to a game, no matter what,
like giant, the giant stink, they're.

Speaker 7 (01:27:07):
Worse than the Mariners, like way worse than the Mariners.
And they've had 35, 40,000 all season long. Is that good?

Speaker 2 (01:27:14):
Like, does that mean you're a good sport because you
support a bad team or should you sit home and go, Hey,
we're not coming until you get better. So like good
sports cities will say, well, we go to all.

Speaker 7 (01:27:24):
The games and we support, we do this and we
do that.

Speaker 2 (01:27:27):
Well, I don't know if you were smarter because there's
no consumers that do that in any other walk of
life except for sports. Like if you go to a restaurant,
I use this as the example, and they've got horse
meat in there and they say.

Speaker 7 (01:27:37):
Hey, if you keep coming, we'll get you Wagyu beef.
It's like, well, dude, I'm not waiting until Wagyu beef.

Speaker 2 (01:27:42):
But right now that's what the giants stink. And yet
we're getting 35 and 40,000 every night.

Speaker 7 (01:27:47):
Like it's crazy to me.

Speaker 1 (01:27:48):
Well, that's why I wanted to bring it up to
set this up because we've been talking about this today.
So just in terms of attendance, right, and actually an
average per game. And you guys, there's a little bit
of a grain of salt here because one of the
teams would be the Red Sox. I mean, they have
a smaller stadium. They're number one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine.

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They're ninth. Ten is Atlanta. But the two teams that
kind of jump out in terms of major league attendance
are The 49ers, the Giants and the Mariners, they're both
in the top 10. They average basically within 600 fans
of each other, 35.9, 35.6. You just mentioned it, like
the Oracle Park people go. And I brought that up
for this reason when I heard you talking about it today.

(01:28:32):
There's a couple parallels here. One is both have a
former legendary catcher running some part of the team.

Speaker 3 (01:28:39):
You guys have him running.

Speaker 1 (01:28:40):
The whole team, and he seems to be extremely over
his skis in Buster Posey. The guy that dug out
here in Seattle is way over his skis in Dan Wilson.
But on the other side is this, John. This is
I'm curious from how the Giants in the Bay Area
thinks about this. If you're the Giants and you're their ownership, And, yeah,
you're having an awful year. You're 57-81. But what pressure

(01:29:01):
is there to win when you're putting people in the seats? Now,
those aren't your diehard Giants fans. Those are people just
wanting to hang out at Oracle Park. We kind of
have the same thing here. Like, is there really pressure
to win when you're in the top 10 in attendance? Well,
our team's 10 under, so it's not like they're much better.
What's the pressure like in San Francisco on the Giants
to win, or is there any?

Speaker 2 (01:29:23):
I think you bring up a great point. I brought
this up before. Why would you improve something? You know
this as well as I do, and I know you've
talked to a lot of owners, too. I think fans
are under the impression, and I'm sorry to pull back
this curtain, that all owners want to win, and they don't.
A lot of owners want to win. The Mark Cubans
want to win Joe Laker, but the warriors, you know,
all that Jerry Jones doesn't want to win. Jerry Jones

(01:29:45):
wants to win the financial game, which is the, the
Cowboys are worth $ 15 billion. That's the, that's the scoreboard
he keeps. And there's a lot of owners that think that.
So you're right. Logic would tell you there's, you know,
as much as people complain about the Dodgers, they want
to win. They put money back into the, into the team.
They get all the, they do the trades.

Speaker 7 (01:30:02):
They do it.

Speaker 2 (01:30:03):
And we're jealous of the Dodgers a little bit as fans,
but You can tell the teams that want to win
and you can.

Speaker 7 (01:30:07):
Tell the teams that don't want to win.

Speaker 2 (01:30:08):
And I don't, I've questioned this before with the giants here.
And I don't know enough about the situation in Seattle
to make that parallel, but I don't think the giants
owners want to win. I mean, I go to their ballpark.
They got a big, they like a lot of teams are.

Speaker 7 (01:30:21):
Doing right now.

Speaker 2 (01:30:22):
They sold a percentage of their team and brought in, uh,
a bunch of money. Well, they didn't put it back
into their baseball operations. They put it back into the
stadium so that every time you turn around, there's a
bar within five feet of you. I mean, they completely
changed the, the, the setup of the ballpark internally. And you,
I mean, it's to bleed more money out of your
pocket and that's fine. If you want to be a

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business first kind of a ball club, that's fine. But they, the,
the situation is, so they won world series in 10,
12 and 14. They, between that time, they had a 2021,
which I don't know how you can get lucky over 162,
but they won 107. And then one other time they
got in, in 16. So eight of the last 10 years,
they haven't been in the playoffs and get this. They
haven't been over 500. So they've won 81 games a

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couple of times, but they haven't been at over 500
in eight of the last 10 years. And yet there's
40,000 at the ballpark. And we'll ask again, is that,
does that mean they're good fans.

Speaker 7 (01:31:14):
Or dumb fans?

Speaker 1 (01:31:15):
And I think the bigger thing is what's the incentive
for the owners? Like would they look out? Cause cause
Oracle park to me is very much like here at
T-Mobile is this T-Mobile is, is phenomenal. I think you've
been there. It's, it's a great ball. Great ballpark, great amenities,
cool atmosphere. You can walk around. You know, and, you know,

(01:31:36):
go to the, if you're, you know, you can go
hang out in Bro Center Field with all the bros
and do your thing. And they got same thing, bars.

Speaker 7 (01:31:41):
Yeah, I've done that.

Speaker 1 (01:31:42):
Food there is high end. I mean, they got all,
it's perfect. It's the place to be in the summer.
And no matter how bad you might be, you're still
in the summer months until football starts at least. You're drawing, again,
they're seventh in the league. They're 35,000 people. It's crazy
what they're doing. Every game, how much incentive is there
to win? Like just to really invest in the product

(01:32:04):
like you just said. Because Seattle's 16th in payroll, the
Mariners are. But they're seventh in attendance. And they're a
top 15, 11 or 12 media market. They probably should
spend more. San Francisco is even worse in that regard.
They're a top three or four media market, and they're
eighth in attendance. Is there incentive to win? Because your

(01:32:26):
diehard fans are not there every day. A lot of
your diehard fans are watching on TV, right? They're calling
into your show. They're texting into my show. That's what
they're doing.

Speaker 2 (01:32:34):
Well, and what the Giants do is I said this
on my show the other day is they're really good
at everything but baseball. And what I mean by that
is I can't went into the Hall of Fame. He
just had his number retired on Saturday. They're 10, 12
and 14 teams. They do a million things all the
time to celebrate those guys, even though that was 13
years ago. They're always doing things. They do amazing, you know,

(01:32:56):
just all sorts of giveaways. And the ballpark sells itself.
It's right on the water on the bay. If you
haven't seen it, it's, you know, Seattle's.

Speaker 7 (01:33:03):
Got a beautiful park. It's one of the more beautiful parks.

Speaker 3 (01:33:05):
Around.

Speaker 2 (01:33:06):
And so what they do is they do this amazing
job of marketing this team. They have some of the
best broadcasters who have been around forever. Everybody loves the
broadcasters here. They do all sorts of cool stuff to
do around the ballpark, just like there is in Seattle.
They do everything right except for baseball. And that's what
draws people because we're sitting in California and it's a
beautiful day and who wouldn't want to go to the
ballpark and everything is great except for the actual baseball itself.

(01:33:28):
And there's a lot of teams that are like that.
They would rather market it do all these things, put
money back into the product.

Speaker 7 (01:33:34):
So that you almost don't know that the team isn't good,
as weird as that sounds.

Speaker 1 (01:33:37):
Yeah, and I think that's the criticism here of Seattle.
Sounds very familiar. You just basically, every Mariner fan's nodding
his head going, now, that's the perception.

Speaker 3 (01:33:46):
Is it reality?

Speaker 1 (01:33:47):
I don't know, but I tend to think that that's
kind of what it is, reality. The perception is the reality.
It's John Lund joining us, as he does every week.
All right, what's going on? Tell us a story about
the weirdo guy that impersonated a 49er player. Oh, my God.
And duped some woman who sounds like she was a
gold digger anyway into, like, giving her, like, what the

(01:34:09):
hell is going on with that football team, man, between
that and Jed York?

Speaker 3 (01:34:13):
Yeah, Jed York.

Speaker 1 (01:34:16):
Brandon Ayuk is still MIA.

Speaker 3 (01:34:18):
Like, what the hell?

Speaker 7 (01:34:19):
Yeah. It's crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:34:21):
Well, the story is, and everybody's read it by now,
but this guy duped a number of women. I think
it was up to 26 women, over a million dollars.
And I mean, the first question he had to ask
him is, do you have any idea of football? Like
anything at all? Do you know what this ball is
that's in front of you? And if they said no,
then I think you could prey on them. If they
knew anything, it was like, okay. Because I mean, he's
talking about like, waiver wire claims and, and, and, and

(01:34:44):
I mean, everything he's running.

Speaker 7 (01:34:45):
Routes on sand. He's just, he's, his helmet was everywhere.

Speaker 2 (01:34:48):
Like he walked around with a helmet on like any,
just any small sign would have tipped anybody off who
knew anything about football.

Speaker 7 (01:34:56):
I mean, it He's really one of the dumbest.

Speaker 2 (01:34:58):
And you know what I equate it to? I watch Jeopardy,
and no offense to really smart people, which I'm not,
but the eggheads know nothing about sports. And so it's
comical when they put a sports topic on because they
can't get any of it. But then me, on the
other hand, all the other topics, I can't get any
of those. So he just preyed on women who know
zero about football and basically said that he was a
football player for the 49ers. But all you'd have to do,

(01:35:21):
even if you were the dumbest person, you just Google it.
And so he had answers for that.

Speaker 3 (01:35:25):
He's like, well, when you're.

Speaker 7 (01:35:26):
On injured reserve, then you don't.

Speaker 2 (01:35:28):
And if you're not on it, it's like, what are
you talking about?

Speaker 7 (01:35:30):
Like the whole thing was just crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:35:32):
But to your point of Jed York, Kyle.

Speaker 7 (01:35:35):
Shanahan, just the weirdest things that have happened to him.
And then he just chooses that.

Speaker 2 (01:35:39):
To, to have it be with the 49ers. And then
the funnier thing about it is they have a wide receiver.
His name's Deshaun Stribling.

Speaker 7 (01:35:46):
He's their second round pick at Ole Miss. He's a,
he's a really good player.

Speaker 2 (01:35:48):
So, you know, at the end of cut down day,
you can have any, you know, if there's open numbers,
you can take that number. So in preseason, he wore 15,
he's wearing seven. It's like, dude, you're a rookie wide receiver.
This whole Dajon love.

Speaker 7 (01:36:00):
Thing's going on.

Speaker 2 (01:36:01):
He said he was a wide receiver wearing, of course,
Kaepernick seven with the 49ers. It's like, don't take number seven.
Like the kid took number seven. Like it's just, It's
just so– like.

Speaker 7 (01:36:11):
The whole thing is just the weirdest, wildest.

Speaker 2 (01:36:14):
And plus the players are now jumping all over it
and they're having fun with it. There's all sorts of
stuff on social media that I'm sure people have seen
of guys faking the whole thing. Like this is one
of the wildest stories I have ever seen. And then
it comes out today that before he was a fake
football player.

Speaker 7 (01:36:29):
He would tell people he was a fake basketball player
playing overseas.

Speaker 2 (01:36:32):
Like it's just like this– This dude, like, he's that
guy on Saturday Night Live, like, yeah, that's the ticket.

Speaker 7 (01:36:38):
Like, he would just tell a lie, and then it
just became, like, lie, lie, lie. Like, unbelievable. Crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:36:45):
Go back to Stribling for a second. Is he the
first person to wear seven since Kaepernick?

Speaker 2 (01:36:51):
No, they've had it because they had Shavarius Ward at
corner and some other guys have worn it.

Speaker 7 (01:36:56):
But it's, yeah, they didn't retire it or anything like
that or whatever the case, not issue it. But yeah,
it was just the weirdest.

Speaker 2 (01:37:03):
Thing because they, you know, usually have numbers or whatever.
So then the Everybody, you know, throw the Niners, put
out their email of what numbers.

Speaker 7 (01:37:10):
Guys had switched to. And it's like, I don't know, dude,
you might want to let the Dajon love number seven,
kind of like, you know, cool off for a second,
but the kid took it.

Speaker 2 (01:37:19):
So he's going to get a bunch of like, when
he comes into Seattle and he goes running out the tunnel,
he's wearing number seven.

Speaker 7 (01:37:24):
Everybody was like, Hey, Dajon, you know, he just set
himself up for it.

Speaker 1 (01:37:28):
Come on, bro.

Speaker 7 (01:37:29):
Don't wear seven.

Speaker 1 (01:37:30):
Don't wear seven. He's a former Coug, too, that guy.
Good luck. Sometimes the hands aren't quite.

Speaker 7 (01:37:36):
You mean the Cougs aren't the brightest?

Speaker 11 (01:37:37):
No, no.

Speaker 1 (01:37:38):
I'm just saying the hands don't match the body. Because
you look at the body, you're like, this guy looks
like the dude, man. And then you're like, no, I
think actually he's going.

Speaker 7 (01:37:48):
To be fine.

Speaker 2 (01:37:50):
You know what the craziest part of this whole thing, too,
is at NFL Shop over the weekend, the number one
selling jersey was a customized Love 7 jersey.

Speaker 7 (01:37:59):
That was the best-selling jersey.

Speaker 2 (01:38:03):
Was Dajon Love. So the Love 7 49ers jersey was
the number one selling jersey over the weekend.

Speaker 1 (01:38:08):
How crazy is that? Here in Seattle, the funny thing
is people lost their mind when Trevon Diggs took number 16.
And it's like, well, that's Tyler Lockett's number. Like, you
can't just give it to him. It's like, wait a second,
Tyler Lockett? We all like Tyler Lockett, but there's this
little small uprising of, say, you took Tyler Lockett's number,

(01:38:32):
and it's like, first of all, he's been gone for
two years, and it's the NFL. There's only so many
numbers you can ever retire. And again, but the only
number that hasn't been used, as far as I can tell,
since the first Super Bowl was is 54. It was Wagner's.
And now he's a first ballot. And he's a first

(01:38:53):
ballot Hall of Famer. I was sitting there with Cliff
Averill because he started working for us right after he
retired and we're sitting out there watching practice and some
dude comes out, some undrafted free agent comes out in
56 and he's like, what the disrespect, man!

Speaker 3 (01:39:09):
It's like... You know....

Speaker 1 (01:39:14):
Oh, they put some tall linebacker in KJ Wright's 50
as well, right after he left. And KJ's like, what the,
I texted him. I go, dude, are you kidding me?
He's like, yeah, I just, the guy looks like me.
So they're going to make him 50 with the disrespect.
And I'm like, yeah, I don't, you can't retire numbers
in the NFL for God's sakes, but.

Speaker 7 (01:39:30):
No. Well, even, even it's getting to the point where
like with the Yankees or something, like they don't have any, like, I.

Speaker 2 (01:39:35):
Don't think any single digits left. So they got guys
wearing like spring training numbers. Like some dudes like 97,
you know, they're bringing up shortstops.

Speaker 7 (01:39:42):
That are wearing like 53. Like, come on, man. Like,
I don't know, do a ceremony.

Speaker 2 (01:39:47):
And that's really like Jeff Canada giants just got 21 retired.
Like they don't have too many giants ones, but like
the Yankees have like 25 numbers retired.

Speaker 7 (01:39:54):
It's like, there's no numbers left.

Speaker 1 (01:39:56):
Not, not, not at all. All right. Next week, we
will reconvene on Tuesday. It will be going to be great.
I can't wait. Cause we'll, let's see. We'll bash each other,
then bash the Rams back to each other and then
bash the Rams.

Speaker 3 (01:40:08):
We'll be back to rooting for the Niners.

Speaker 1 (01:40:10):
God, we got to root for the Niners next week.

Speaker 7 (01:40:11):
That's what I'm talking about.

Speaker 1 (01:40:12):
We got to root for the Niners.

Speaker 7 (01:40:13):
How about your own?

Speaker 3 (01:40:14):
How about that?

Speaker 7 (01:40:15):
So I thought he was a Niner, but he's a
Steeler fan.

Speaker 1 (01:40:17):
Don't worry about that.

Speaker 3 (01:40:20):
Oh, don't, don't get in on that, John.

Speaker 1 (01:40:22):
It's whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:40:23):
He knew that they played in the Super Bowl against
the most crooked, you know, that was the most crooked
Super Bowl in history, right?

Speaker 7 (01:40:31):
Against, I can't remember who that was. Who was that?

Speaker 1 (01:40:33):
As long as, listen, just see, as your friend Rasheed
Wallace said, CTC cut the check and all will be well.

Speaker 3 (01:40:41):
Just CTC, baby. Cut the check.

Speaker 1 (01:40:43):
Just cut the check. All you guys don't know what
that means.

Speaker 3 (01:40:46):
Cut the check. Let's cut the check.

Speaker 1 (01:40:49):
Cut the check, man. Just cut the check.

Speaker 4 (01:40:51):
All right.

Speaker 3 (01:40:51):
Cut him off.

Speaker 1 (01:40:52):
He's done. I'll talk to you next week.

Speaker 8 (01:40:53):
See ya.

Speaker 4 (01:40:53):
All right.

Speaker 7 (01:40:54):
See ya.

Speaker 1 (01:40:54):
There's John Lund.

Speaker 7 (01:40:55):
All right.

Speaker 1 (01:40:55):
We'll take a break. I think we might have a
talk back or two. One or two. We'll get to
those coming up next.

Speaker 6 (01:41:04):

Speaker 1 (01:41:18):
All righty. We got some talkbacks.

Speaker 3 (01:41:20):
Fire away, Anders.

Speaker 8 (01:41:27):
You want to know what makes this team unlikable? It's
the fact that your manager can't even come up with
a good answer to a question other than it's a
tough day. And you've got a GM or whatever the
hell DiPloto is who is an arrogant son of a
gun who probably does not relate to any players.

Speaker 1 (01:41:50):
Tough one tonight. Tough one tonight. I feel bad for Dan.
He needs media coaching so bad right now.

Speaker 3 (01:41:57):
He's not getting it.

Speaker 1 (01:41:58):
And we've talked about this with, you know, like we always,
we got to drop in here somewhere, anything else drop
from Dave Pearson, who's the VP. Anything else?

Speaker 2 (01:42:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:42:07):
I'm telling you, Dave learned from the best, who's Gary Wright.
And Dave and Gary Wright and Homer's talked about this.
Those guys, they get prepped. Mike McDonald's the same way now. Like,
just help him.

Speaker 3 (01:42:21):
Coach him.

Speaker 1 (01:42:22):
He tried yesterday. He said difficult game, and then he
went right back to tough game later. And now it's
become just a meme. People want to make fun of it.

Speaker 3 (01:42:28):
Does he know it's a meme? Does he know it's
a thing? Does he know that every time he says that, everyone.

Speaker 1 (01:42:33):
Just face palms? I think because of how he started
it yesterday, he knows. I don't know. Maybe not. I
don't know. Hey, they could win the next two, then
take three or four from the A's, and all of
a sudden you go, wow, how about that? They've won
five of their last six, five of their last seven, whatever.
You'd be all happy, right?

Speaker 3 (01:42:53):
I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:42:55):
Know.

Speaker 3 (01:42:55):
I'm going to wait to see what ends up happening
at the end of the year. But if they end
up actually going to run in September and they fall
one or two games short, that'll almost be worse than
just bottom falling out. All right, next.

Speaker 7 (01:43:06):
I'll tell you what bumps me about the Mariners.

Speaker 13 (01:43:09):
They act like they've done one something.

Speaker 7 (01:43:10):
They have.

Speaker 13 (01:43:11):
They haven't ever.

Speaker 9 (01:43:12):
Even been to the World Series.

Speaker 13 (01:43:14):
They get mad about the piggyback. We keep players around
too long. We ain't making the moves we need to
make to.

Speaker 1 (01:43:19):
Get over the hump.

Speaker 13 (01:43:20):
Meanwhile, two blocks north, I'm pretty sure they'll do anything
they need to do to win the game. You could
ask Sam Darnold to play special teams. He'd probably do
it if he helped the team out. And that's what
really grinds my gears.

Speaker 1 (01:43:34):
The culture part of it's big. We talked about it before.
The Julio brain farts, bizarro brain fart, whatever it is
out there. And then Julio's, there's no retro, there's nothing.
There's no accountability. There's no, it's, and you don't have
to yell and scream at anybody, but I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:43:54):
Even if it's behind the scenes, even if you're not
going to bench him, move him down the order or
anything like that, I want to see that there's a
little bit of a change in attitude.

Speaker 7 (01:44:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:44:02):
That something is being said to him because I don't
think there is.

Speaker 1 (01:44:04):
I think, you know, I mentioned earlier, last year, Jamie
Oleksiak was benched for a couple games. Veteran, vested veteran
by Lane Lambert. Guess what? He came back and he
started standing up for his teammates. Got the message.

Speaker 2 (01:44:19):
Next.

Speaker 5 (01:44:20):
Ian, the most annoying thing is Jerry fricking DePoto. I
can't believe there's people that actually support him and think
he's done.

Speaker 1 (01:44:27):
A good job.

Speaker 5 (01:44:27):
Done a good job at what? Scouting pitchers? There's more
to your job. His free agent sightings are a joke.
The analytics are awful. He watched Moneyball one too many
times and thinks he's Billy Bean. You can't rewrite the
game with piggyback and everything he does.

Speaker 3 (01:44:42):
He has puppet managers.

Speaker 5 (01:44:43):
He is an absolute egotistical joke who thinks he's smarter
than anyone.

Speaker 4 (01:44:48):
And he's an idiot.

Speaker 1 (01:44:51):
No comment.

Speaker 5 (01:44:51):
Next.

Speaker 9 (01:44:52):
Dan Wilson is the problem with the Mariners. You can
see it on his face in the post-game interviews. He
has no idea what's going on. You can see it
on the face of the players on the field. They
have no confidence in their leadership. None of them care.
They couldn't be motivated to make a sandwich by their leader,
Dan Wilson.

Speaker 7 (01:45:13):
He needs to go. He is the problem.

Speaker 9 (01:45:15):
Jerry DiPoto put together a 54% lineup like he always does,
and Dan crapped it away.

Speaker 1 (01:45:23):
The question, by the way, if people are just tuning
in that we asked at the start of the show today,
what is it that's annoying you about this team? Because
everyone seems to be annoyed for some reason, different reasons,
at this team. There's a couple of common denominators here.
Do we have a couple more left?

Speaker 4 (01:45:38):
Yep.

Speaker 11 (01:45:39):
Ian Anders, 39-year-old man who lives in Spokane now. My
buddies and I used to have the 16-game pass for
the Mariners when we were younger, and we would go
to about 20 games a year. We were diehard fans
when they were losers back then. We gave them all
the chances.

Speaker 14 (01:45:59):
In the world.

Speaker 11 (01:46:00):
And now we're all 30 and we're 40. We ain't
going to games. We're watching and we are making fun
of them on the text thread. And one more thing.
This team never had a legit managerial search. Jerry just
trotted out Dan like, oh, here's our puppet. Here's Dan Wilson,

(01:46:21):
a Mariner Hall of Famer who's hit a career 260.

Speaker 3 (01:46:23):
Whoop-de-doo.

Speaker 4 (01:46:26):
Look at us.

Speaker 14 (01:46:27):
Here's Dan Wilson, Mariner Hall of Famer. He's going to
save us. It was such BS. I smelt it from
a mile away. I knew it was going to be horrible.

Speaker 3 (01:46:42):
I will push back a little bit from ev i
don't know this for a fact but from everything that
most have drawn the conclusion of dan wilson was an
ownership hire not a jerry i.

Speaker 1 (01:46:54):
Think that's i think that's i think yeah i think
that's kind of it it was not jerry's choice we
have any left yep i'll.

Speaker 10 (01:46:59):
Walk in chip here i i don't know i i
don't know um I think what frustrates me the most
is that this historic run we've been on would be
grounds for firing in any other franchise. That's how bad
we are. And I think they're going to use it
to bring everybody back. I really do. And it's not

(01:47:21):
impossible to win a World Series with this ownership, but
sustained winning is. We might stumble into one, but my God,
the sell-off afterwards. I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:47:30):
Oof.

Speaker 7 (01:47:30):
Oof.

Speaker 1 (01:47:31):
Is that it?

Speaker 3 (01:47:32):
Last one.

Speaker 7 (01:47:33):
Oh, wow.

Speaker 1 (01:47:34):
Hey, Anna, Joe Sheehan, JoeSheehan.com.

Speaker 15 (01:47:37):
I was talking about the Mariners game, and I was
thinking watching the game, you know, what would Ian Furness do?
And he'd probably come up with some obscure hockey reference, but,
you know, I want to go back to the game.
You know, this guy on third, you essentially give Chris Wall,
you know, 11 balls. You have 11 balls to throw
a strike, and he didn't do that. You know, walk
the bases, Logan, you could have pitched a story, and
so forth. And the thing with Julio Rodriguez is his
floor is a lot higher than other superstars, but his
floor is higher than his other floor, and a 3.5
to the other wall on the other floor. So, you know,

(01:47:57):
but they're still going to go 6-18. They could easily
go 18-6. I actually wrote a 3,000-page story on it, JoeSheehan.com.

Speaker 3 (01:48:07):
I'm speechless.

Speaker 7 (01:48:08):
It's so good.

Speaker 1 (01:48:10):
I don't know how the technical stuff works back there.
I need you to save that. We've got to play
that for Joe next week.

Speaker 3 (01:48:16):
Okay, I got it.

Speaker 1 (01:48:17):
I got that one. I got it.

Speaker 7 (01:48:19):
Oh, my God. Done.

Speaker 8 (01:48:21):
Easy.

Speaker 3 (01:48:21):
Playing it for Joe. Oh, that's so good.

Speaker 4 (01:48:25):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (01:48:27):
Oh, my gosh. Every now and then you guys just
hit home run. That is so good. Yeah, that was.
Gold. That was good.

Speaker 7 (01:48:39):
206.

Speaker 1 (01:48:40):
Joe Sheehan coming off the top rope saying a house
plant as a manager is an upgrade. I know.

Speaker 3 (01:48:45):
We have to play that for Softie. Oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:48:47):
Do you have that?

Speaker 4 (01:48:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:48:48):
Can you pull that? Yeah. Let's... Somebody else, 206. Every
dissatisfied Mariners fan should just order a plant delivered to
the Mariners and drop one off at the stadium the
first home game after.

Speaker 3 (01:48:59):
The Boston series. That's from Julia Kirkland.

Speaker 1 (01:49:03):
Oh God.

Speaker 7 (01:49:03):
Ugh.

Speaker 1 (01:49:06):
The techs today are phenomenal. I've got to just tell
you guys, you're awesome. You guys are fantastic. We keep
talking about the mirror September schedule. The teams we play
are looking at us the same way. They aren't the
bad teams. We are the bad teams.

Speaker 3 (01:49:20):
It's true.

Speaker 1 (01:49:20):
Somebody else just says the fourth worst team in the
league playing the three worst teams in the league. Yeah,
we've got a good chance. Okay. Joe Sheehan, that is
one of the best ones of all time. That is
one of the best ones of all time.

Speaker 3 (01:49:33):
So good.

Speaker 7 (01:49:36):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:49:37):
We good?

Speaker 3 (01:49:37):
We're good.

Speaker 1 (01:49:38):
Thank you, people. You guys were good today. You guys
were really, really. And if you're sitting down there at T-Mobile,
you're in there, and you're even tuned in, like, what
the hell, they're bashing us? The passion's still there. That's
what I got out of today, Anders. Honestly, people, again,
it's better that people are pissed, interacting, sending texts, than

(01:49:59):
just apathetic. Now, the apathy could kick in the next
week or two. But you're starting September. It used to
be in this town. Hey, if they just get us
to September, they're kind of in it. God, this is
a year like you look at it like, God, they're
10 games under.

Speaker 3 (01:50:11):
They're out of it.

Speaker 1 (01:50:11):
No, but they're still in it. Weird year.

Speaker 7 (01:50:15):
Weird year.

Speaker 1 (01:50:15):
NFL season starts a week from tomorrow on a Wednesday.
Weird year.

Speaker 3 (01:50:18):
They took us to that point, I guess.

Speaker 1 (01:50:20):
Softies next.

Speaker 4 (01:50:35):
It's not too late to fire Dan Wilson. It's not
too late to just replace him with a fight. Just
stick a house plant right there in the corner and
say you're the manager. Because we're at a point where
replacing Dan Wilson with a plant is actually probably enough.
That's how much he's.

Speaker 7 (01:50:50):
Hurting his team.

Speaker 5 (01:50:52):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:50:53):
Joe Sheehan off the top rope as somebody texted in.
And he's not normally like that, right, Joe?

Speaker 3 (01:50:57):
No, he's not.

Speaker 1 (01:50:58):
No, he's not.

Speaker 3 (01:50:59):
That's not his personality.

Speaker 1 (01:51:01):
Julian Kirkland heard that, and she says on the text line,
Who's Julian Kirkland?

Speaker 3 (01:51:06):
She's a listener.

Speaker 6 (01:51:06):
Oh, Julian.

Speaker 1 (01:51:07):
I thought you meant Julian. Yeah, Julian Kirkland. Like Julian Love. No,
she said, Every dissatisfied Mariners fan should order a plant
delivered to the Mariners' dugout or drop one off at
the stadium in the first game after the Boston series.
So a plant would be an upgrade, apparently.

Speaker 6 (01:51:20):
Yeah. I, uh.

Speaker 3 (01:51:23):
You know, you were talking earlier. I heard you coming
in today. I was over at UW.

Speaker 1 (01:51:26):
Yeah. Frickin' Motley.

Speaker 3 (01:51:28):
Well, I was scouting out seats for your band.

Speaker 1 (01:51:30):
I don't want to get into that. I want to
make sure you guys are comfortable. I'm really worried about that.

Speaker 3 (01:51:33):
Right in the game on Sunday.

Speaker 7 (01:51:34):
Exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:51:34):
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:51:34):
We're not getting good enough free tickets. We can't come.

Speaker 1 (01:51:38):
Stay focused here.

Speaker 5 (01:51:39):
Really?

Speaker 4 (01:51:39):
Yes.

Speaker 5 (01:51:40):
Okay.

Speaker 4 (01:51:41):
You know what?

Speaker 12 (01:51:42):
I'll do you a favor. I'll move off that topic
for now. You know how little I care. But I
heard you on the air. You were talking about it
was a classic Ian Furness topic.

Speaker 1 (01:51:53):
What annoys you?

Speaker 3 (01:51:53):
But why do you hate that?

Speaker 4 (01:51:55):
Why?

Speaker 1 (01:51:58):
Actually, it was more creative than that. Why? It was
more creative than that.

Speaker 3 (01:52:02):
Tell me why.

Speaker 1 (01:52:03):
What is it about them that annoys you? What is
it about them? What is it about annoying you?

Speaker 3 (01:52:07):
What is annoying?

Speaker 2 (01:52:08):
Why?

Speaker 12 (01:52:09):
Tell me why. I know what annoys you. You took
up an entire segment to explain why. No, this is
a classic sports radio trick. I was like, that son
of a bitch.

Speaker 5 (01:52:20):
Oh, man.

Speaker 1 (01:52:21):
I took up an hour.

Speaker 3 (01:52:21):
It's incredible. Absolutely incredible, man. Oh, God.

Speaker 1 (01:52:25):
What annoys you about him? Well, I thought to myself.
Mascots playing with post-game hosts? Well, I just, first of all,
I just want people to read a room.

Speaker 7 (01:52:33):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:52:33):
Read a room.

Speaker 12 (01:52:34):
And I don't know who's producing that show. Probably some
poor bastard making, you know, 20 bucks an hour, whatever.
And they got this B-roll clip of Brad Adam, who
I like Brad.

Speaker 1 (01:52:44):
I like Brad. How could you not like Brad?

Speaker 3 (01:52:46):
Good guy.

Speaker 12 (01:52:46):
But there's a B-roll of him with the green freak
mascot for Boston that probably was recorded during the game
or before the game.

Speaker 7 (01:52:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 12 (01:52:55):
And they decide to put it on their postgame show
after we all got kicked right in the balls. And
I'm just like, guys, don't do that. Take that off
the air.

Speaker 1 (01:53:03):
Read a room.

Speaker 3 (01:53:04):
Nobody wants to see that.

Speaker 12 (01:53:05):
I mean, you skip over Julio's mistake, which was mistake
number one on their part, and then you show Brad
Adam dancing around with a freak on the field at
Fenway Park, and then we're all supposed to, you know,
the guy, who was the Red.

Speaker 3 (01:53:19):
Sox starting pitcher last night?

Speaker 1 (01:53:21):
Sorry.

Speaker 3 (01:53:21):
Oh, what was his name? The guy with the mustache.
He does that thing with Ken's own. Yeah. That's not funny. No,
I don't find that funny.

Speaker 1 (01:53:30):
Fat Tom.

Speaker 12 (01:53:30):
So, I mean, maybe for you guys, it's funny because
you won the game. But for me, it's not funny.
So it's just it's just unbelievable how tone deaf they are.

Speaker 7 (01:53:37):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (01:53:37):
At times.

Speaker 12 (01:53:38):
And then it's just the arrogance. Like, I think when
you say things like, you know, arrogance, you think the
players are all cocky. I think the franchise itself has
a little bit of an arrogance problem in that they
think that they can be the only team in baseball
that can have players make these mental mistakes over and
over and over again and not do a damn thing

(01:53:59):
about it. I've mentioned this on the air about what
Pat Murphy did to Cooper Pratt last week. If he
was coaching this baseball team, he'd have a stroke every day.
And there'd be multiple times where guys would have been yanked.
A Rose Arena, Josh Naylor, Julio Rodriguez, multiple times.

Speaker 3 (01:54:16):
And you know what, guys?

Speaker 12 (01:54:17):
Maybe, just maybe, if they had a better attitude towards
that and a better culture, maybe these guys aren't making
the mistakes they're making now. Maybe if you nip this
in the bud in April, you're not seeing Julio Rodriguez
do what he did last night and throw a ball
into a stands with one out when he thought there
were two.

Speaker 1 (01:54:36):
What kind of odds would you have given me that
they would be 10 games under. 500 on the 1st
of September?

Speaker 3 (01:54:41):
I wouldn't have wasted a penny on it. I mean,
it's shocking, right?

Speaker 12 (01:54:43):
I mean, guys, the Kansas City Chiefs are 14 games under.

Speaker 7 (01:54:46):
500.

Speaker 3 (01:54:47):
Or the Royals, sorry. The Royals are 14 games under.

Speaker 7 (01:54:48):
500.

Speaker 3 (01:54:48):
And we're two games better than them. Two games better
than a team that's 40.

Speaker 12 (01:54:58):
We are closer to the bottom of baseball than we
are the number one wild card in the American League.
It's amazing how far this team has fallen. So, you know,
Dick asked me last night, is it time for Wilson
to go? Well, guys, either A, he's got.

Speaker 3 (01:55:11):
To be fired.

Speaker 1 (01:55:12):
Get a plant.

Speaker 12 (01:55:12):
Or B, he's got to wake up and just morph
into something totally different.

Speaker 1 (01:55:17):
A ficus.

Speaker 3 (01:55:18):
Which I don't think he can do.

Speaker 1 (01:55:19):
It's been time for him to go for it.

Speaker 3 (01:55:20):
Can't do it.

Speaker 7 (01:55:21):
A month.

Speaker 3 (01:55:21):
Can't do it.

Speaker 7 (01:55:22):
Two months.

Speaker 1 (01:55:22):
Andrews, you know what just happened? Softie answered the question.
What is it about marriage that annoys you?

Speaker 3 (01:55:28):
But why? Spend an entire hour. Why do they make
you angry? Spell angry.

Speaker 1 (01:55:34):
Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you, ladies and gentlemen.

Speaker 7 (01:55:37):
All right.

Speaker 3 (01:55:38):
What is angry? You know what you need is a thesaurus.

Speaker 4 (01:55:40):
I'm going to buy you something.

Speaker 1 (01:55:41):
You can look up synonyms for anger. You know what
I need? What is angry? I need a baseball team
that's not like Groundhog Day, and I need football season
to get here. What are you doing today?

Speaker 12 (01:55:51):
Well, you know what's funny about that? We got the
Apple Cup on Sunday. Seahawks go Wednesday.

Speaker 7 (01:55:54):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (01:55:55):
And what kind of world are we living in?

Speaker 3 (01:55:56):
All I want to do is bitch about the baseball team.

Speaker 1 (01:55:58):
So true.

Speaker 4 (01:55:58):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:55:59):
That's all I want to do. I just want to complain.
I want to complain and scream and yell.

Speaker 1 (01:56:04):
We're not going to be complaining about the Seahawks on
Thursday next week, are we?

Speaker 3 (01:56:06):
I don't think so.

Speaker 1 (01:56:07):
I mean, I heard fame kind of talk like, oh,
they're going to kick their ass. And I'm like, no.

Speaker 3 (01:56:12):
I don't know.

Speaker 12 (01:56:15):
I don't know, man. It's just incredible. I'm semi-shocked at Wilson.

Speaker 7 (01:56:21):
Are you?

Speaker 12 (01:56:22):
Well, I knew he was a quieter guy and a
guy that didn't like to ruffle a lot of feathers,
but I just would have thought at his age, after
how many years he played for Lou, that there'd be
just a little, just a little, just a.

Speaker 3 (01:56:35):
Little bitter at us. Just a little bit there. There's
just nothing there. He's batting third tonight. He's batting third tonight.

Speaker 12 (01:56:40):
Yeah, these guys are walking all over him, and he
doesn't even know it. It's like what I said on
that little Twitter video a couple days ago.

Speaker 3 (01:56:47):
You made a tweet? I did. I made a tweet.

Speaker 1 (01:56:49):
And an Instagram post. The culture on this team is terrible.

Speaker 3 (01:56:54):
It is awful.

Speaker 12 (01:56:54):
And the players don't even know it. They don't even
know it. The manager doesn't know it. I hope Jerry
knows it, and I hope John knows it. But the players,
they don't even know how bad their culture is. Anders,
I almost root for the losses now.

Speaker 7 (01:57:08):
I do too.

Speaker 3 (01:57:08):
You know why?

Speaker 1 (01:57:09):
Because what I want is the real on Instagram. And
here's how it always starts. All right, guys, I'm telling
you right now. And then it just goes on. It's
calm at first. It's calm at first. And then Mount
Mauler starts to just... It's like when St. Helens went up.
It's a little puff of smoke, puff of smoke.

Speaker 3 (01:57:27):
Who was the guy that said he wasn't leaving? I'm
not freaking leaving. Was it Harry Truman?

Speaker 9 (01:57:31):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (01:57:31):
The guy that owned the cabin.

Speaker 3 (01:57:33):
Not the president.

Speaker 1 (01:57:34):
No, he owned a cabin at Mount St.

Speaker 3 (01:57:35):
Helens.

Speaker 7 (01:57:36):
I'm not leaving.

Speaker 3 (01:57:36):
I'm not going anywhere. And he got blown to bits. Hey, man,
if a guy wants to go, it's his time.

Speaker 1 (01:57:41):
He wants to go.

Speaker 12 (01:57:42):
What are you doing today? We're late. Husky Honks will
be here. New sideline reporter. That's right.

Speaker 1 (01:57:48):
Congratulations. Greg Lewis.

Speaker 3 (01:57:49):
Mario Bailey will be here. Pay me my money. Pay
me my money.

Speaker 12 (01:57:54):
Is there an uglier sideline reporter in football? Pee Wee Herman,
the new sideline reporter for UW football. God, you know
what I'm hoping for? You know what I'm hoping for?
Is there a Quinn, what's his name?

Speaker 3 (01:58:06):
Oh, Kesenich. Please let him be on our show.

Speaker 12 (01:58:10):
A game with you on the sideline this year. I
don't talk like this very often. I almost beat his
ass on the sideline. And by the way, I don't
think we have any games on ESPN, so no worry there.
Because what I was hoping for, I was going to
make a promise. That's the cupcake guy.

Speaker 1 (01:58:21):
I was going to make a promise.

Speaker 7 (01:58:22):
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:58:23):
If there was that game, and you and him were
on the sideline together, I would request a sideline pass.

Speaker 7 (01:58:27):
He's on the.

Speaker 3 (01:58:27):
Sideline this weekend, actually. I want you there. You know what?
I'm going to say this. With love in my heart.
Can we keep this going for a second? Yeah, let's
try it. You're a bitch.

Speaker 1 (01:58:37):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:58:37):
You really are.

Speaker 1 (01:58:38):
Why is that?

Speaker 3 (01:58:38):
Because why are you going to the game Sunday?

Speaker 1 (01:58:40):
I have not been to the game.

Speaker 3 (01:58:41):
Your team never comes to town.

Speaker 8 (01:58:43):
Yeah, no.

Speaker 3 (01:58:43):
Once every two years.

Speaker 1 (01:58:44):
I hate that place.

Speaker 3 (01:58:45):
And you can't get off your ass and go watch
your coogs on Sunday?

Speaker 1 (01:58:48):
I'll get off my ass with a fridge.

Speaker 3 (01:58:49):
What is wrong with you? Man, I don't like that stadium.

Speaker 4 (01:58:51):
Unbelievable, man.

Speaker 1 (01:58:51):
People are mean to me there.

Speaker 2 (01:58:52):
Oh, God.

Speaker 3 (01:58:55):
See ya. For the mild-mannered and marginally objectionable Ian Furness,
this is Paddle Day saying so long, everyone.

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