Furness Show 9-4: Greg Cosell, Danny O'Neil, Rob Rang

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome in on a Friday. I didn't hear any crazy open,
so I guess it's not officially one of our football Fridays.

Speaker 2 (00:06):
Not yet.

Speaker 1 (00:06):
It is a football Friday. College football week one is tomorrow.
It started yesterday. Blocked field goal. Thrilling game down with
Georgia Tech and Colorado after you saw that. Thrilling ending.
A blocked field goal by Colorado against Georgia Tech. Colorado
took a late lead. Found the end zone and found
their way in and had a lead. And then all

(00:28):
of a sudden, just like that, Georgia Tech marched down
the field in 30 seconds and missed a field goal
from 45 yards out on a block at the end.
There is nothing like college football. As broken as it is.
As broken off the field as it is. The final
three minutes of that game, you never see in the NFL.
You just don't. Like, you just don't. A 7-7 game

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that ended up being.
You just don't see those games. So anyway, that was
last night. Tomorrow we've got a full slate. We've got
games tonight. Fresno State, USC, one of the headliners, among others. Saturday,
of course, a full slate. Clemson-LSU is the marquee matchup
in many people's eyes. Three games on Sunday. Two games

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are late, but the early game is the Apple Cup.
Pre-game show starts at 4 a.m. here on 93.3 KJR
FM with a new sideline for Softee and the Honks.
So enjoy all the coverage here if you're a Husky fan.
And away you go with the Huskies and the Cougs
and the Apple Cup in September. We'll get into that
a little bit with Danny O'Neill coming up today at
1.20 this afternoon.

Speaker 4 (01:33):
Should be fun, a Husky and a Coug in one segment.

Speaker 1 (01:37):
Danny's a good dude, too. He's not a typical Husky.
He's actually not a condescending jerk like most of them are.

Speaker 5 (01:42):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:43):
Yeah, so we'll have him on coming up today at 1.20.
And then Rob rang at 2 o'clock. We'll preview the
college football weekend as it relates especially to the draft,
and he'll talk Apple Cup with us too, Rob Will.
We'll get into that with him. Brought to you by
Farrelly's Pizza, farrellyspizza.com, down the South Sound. Greg Cosell is
going to join us here in about 12 minutes' time,
his first visit of the year. What can he tell us, Anders?

Speaker 4 (02:07):
He can only tell us what the tape shows us, Ian.

Speaker 1 (02:09):
Okay. Well, I just want to confirm if that's still
the policy or not. I'm sure we'll hear that line.
The tape's talking to me. God, he is a beauty.
He's a beauty. And I just want to point this out.
Let's pat KJ on the back for a second. Greg
does two or three national shows every week. He does,

(02:32):
I think, about three or four local shows a week.
And that's it.

Speaker 4 (02:36):
It's not like he goes parading around all the markets
in the NFL doing as many hits as possible.

Speaker 1 (02:43):
And we've had him on the show for, I want
to say, five. God, 15, 16 years.

Speaker 4 (02:46):
You're one of the lucky few.

Speaker 1 (02:48):
And I'm thrilled. I got lucky. I first talked to
him when we were in Portland, and I was filling
in when Colin Coward was our morning guy. And when
Colin was off, I flipped from the afternoons to the
morning show and had a few segments with Greg and said,
this guy is unbelievable. He is unbelievable. He's really good.

(03:09):
And we've got to get him on. We got to
get him on in Seattle and made the effort, and
he's been here with us ever since and I love
having him on. So he'll join us coming up at 1220.
We'll just talk Seahawks mostly. We haven't done enough of that.
It's kind of a weird week with them having three
days off, and now they're back at it. And I
guess today would be technically, what, a Tuesday? I don't

(03:30):
even know what day it is for them. Monday's a Tuesday,
Tuesday's a Wednesday, as our good friend used to say.
Jim Harbaugh. Jim Harbaugh, yeah. Monday's a Tuesday, Tuesday's a Wednesday,
Wednesday's a Thursday. But with a Wednesday football game, The
schedule's a little bit off, but we'll talk about that.
We'll talk about the Patriots. We'll probably replay a chunk
of that coming up on Wednesday, the day of the
game as well. So all that up. I'll wait till

(03:51):
1 o'clock, but we have kind of an interesting soundbite
from Bryce Miller last night with Softie and Fane. Disturbing,
I'd say, in some ways.

Speaker 4 (04:01):
Yeah, I got it. If you want to go.

Speaker 1 (04:03):
We'll play it. Because I want to jump in. We're
going to run out of time here in this segment,
I think. We'll spend some more time on that coming
up today. at 1 o'clock. Just a real quick thought
on them. Anders and I were doing the math here
before the show started. Every time you think they're in it,

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then they lose a game to the A's. Now, they
could go back and win the next three against the A's,
and you feel a lot better about yourself, right? Yep.
What gives you any indication they're going to win three
straight against the A's?

Speaker 4 (04:34):
That would be nothing.

Speaker 1 (04:36):
Okay. So let's do some math. Now, this isn't radio
math because we did it before the show, so it's
not on the fly. You guys won't have to suffer
through that. But, Anders, I've kind of thought all along
to win the division, you probably need to be 82
and 80. Yeah, I agree. That might be the bare minimum.

(04:58):
But let's take it a step down. Let's say it's
81 and 81, right? 81 and 81.

Speaker 2 (05:01):
Sure.

Speaker 1 (05:01):
The Mariners would have to go... 15-6 the rest of
the way. 15-6 the rest of the way to get
to 81-81. Now, I'm going to take Texas out of
the equation. For then that to be good, you would
have to hope Houston would go 9-12 the rest of

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the way. Or worse.

Speaker 6 (05:27):
Or worse.

Speaker 1 (05:28):
And you've got the tiebreaker on them. So the Mariners
go 15-6, the Astros go 9-12, you're 81-81 and you're
in the playoffs.

Speaker 4 (05:36):
That's if Texas doesn't go on a run either.

Speaker 1 (05:39):
And here's the... Because we were doing this math, and
that was the problem. Texas is... So you're six behind Houston,
but you're five behind Houston because you have the tiebreaker.

Speaker 7 (05:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (05:51):
Right?

Speaker 2 (05:51):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (05:52):
We can look at it that way. You're four behind Texas,
but you're actually five behind Texas because they have the tiebreaker. Correct.

Speaker 4 (05:59):
So really, you're five behind both teams.

Speaker 1 (06:02):
And you're four and a half out of the wildcard spot,
but you're The wild card's going to go to a
team above 500.

Speaker 4 (06:08):
It's just there's a bunch of teams there.

Speaker 1 (06:09):
There's a bunch of teams, and someone's going to end
up above 500.

Speaker 2 (06:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (06:12):
Right?

Speaker 1 (06:13):
Yeah. So then you're talking not just going, at that
point you're not just going, what did I say earlier,
15 and 7?

Speaker 4 (06:20):
15 and 6.

Speaker 1 (06:21):
15 and 6. Then you're probably having to go 16
and 5, 17 and 4, probably for the wild card?

Speaker 4 (06:29):
Yeah, it's just, again.

Speaker 1 (06:31):
Are you going to lose only four or five more
games the rest of the month?

Speaker 4 (06:34):
No, they might lose four more games this week.

Speaker 1 (06:38):
It's a maddening season, man. It's a maddening season. They
could still find their way in, maybe. That could happen,
I guess. Miracles could happen. But then you have a
game like last night, and you just... I don't know
what's missing, honestly. Montes looks great at times, but we
also saw the other side of Montes last night. The

(07:01):
swing and miss is there. Boy, when he... The foul
ball he hit was terrifying.

Speaker 9 (07:06):
It's true.

Speaker 1 (07:06):
I think it broke a seat down the first baseline.
I think it shattered a seat. That's a hard thing
to see.

Speaker 4 (07:11):
And the fact that he had in his one hit
of the night, the RBI in the first inning, on
a broken bat that almost got caught by the left fielder.
That tells you how much power this guy has.

Speaker 1 (07:23):
It's insane. So we got all that going on. All right,
let's do this. We'll get back to them at 1 o'clock.
Let's talk a little football. How about if we check
in with Greg Cosell? We're a few days away from
the Seahawks and the Patriots, but it's time to talk
with Greg Cosell. That's coming up next.

Speaker 7 (07:40):
Now back to Ian Furness on your home for the Huskies, Kraken,
and the 12th man. Brought to you by Seattle's closest
Snoqualmie Casino and Hotel on Sports Radio 93.3 KJR FM.

Speaker 1 (07:58):
All right, here you go, NFL music. And here on
this Friday, we're at the Snoqualmie Casino and Hotel. Ladies
and gentlemen, he is back for another year. Greg Cosell.
NFL Films, ESPN matchup show, the guru of all film study.
I don't think we have spoken since right after the draft.
We let him go for the summer. He said, listen,

(08:20):
I can only handle you so much. I don't see
Jessamyn there anymore. She's doing the show before yours. I know. Anders,
don't be offended, buddy. I'm not.

Speaker 4 (08:33):
Everyone says that about Jess compared to me, so it's
not abnormal.

Speaker 1 (08:39):
Hi greg how are you.

Speaker 10 (08:41):
Uh doing great i can't believe it's here um you
know i it's funny i pretty much watch tape of
some sort almost every day this summer i probably watched
about 120 college players of which i'm sure 95 of
them will be in the draft and then uh And,
of course, some of them might be back in college,
you know, the way the new ruling is, you know,

(09:02):
that's the way it is. Now you can, you know,
I guess you can be 35 and go back to college.
But anyway, yeah, the last month or so, I've just been,
you know, grinding, rewatching a whole bunch of NFL stuff
to get back in the groove. And, you know, just
especially teams that have the same coaching staff. Because when
it's a new coaching staff, you never know what kind

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of changes will be made unless it comes from the
same kind of school. Like, for instance, with the Seahawks,
with Brian Fleury, it's essentially the same school of offensive
philosophy that Kubiak came from, which is the Kyle Shanahan school.

Speaker 1 (09:38):
Well, we're going to get to that. We'll get to
that in a minute. You mentioned the college guys. Let
me just start with kind of a refresher for us
here in Seattle because it's been a while. When we
last spoke, you were telling us that we talked about
Jadarian Price and who the Seahawks drafted in the first round,
the second Notre Dame draft pick of a running back

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in the first round behind Love, obviously, going to Arizona.
We didn't see Jadarian Price. He didn't play in the preseason.
He was banged up a little bit, but he's healthy
as far as we know, and he will be the
starter and the lead running back for Seattle when they
take the field on Wednesday against the New England Patriots. Greg,
what do you recall? What can you tell Seahawks fans

(10:19):
about what you saw on tape during his tenure at
Notre Dame at Jadarian Price?

Speaker 10 (10:24):
Well, he had 113 rushes last year at Notre Dame, Ian,
and I watched them all when I did them prior
to the draft. And obviously, so people understand, I don't
know who's going to draft players when I watch them.

Speaker 2 (10:35):
So, you know, they.

Speaker 10 (10:36):
Obviously drafted him. Um, I thought what immediately stood out
with Price was his decisiveness as a downhill runner. He,
I thought he had sudden short area burst. I thought
he had explosiveness. Um, I wouldn't call him loose-hipped, and
I'd say he's a little stiff, but he did have
quick feet. He could make sharp, controlled cuts at the
first level of the defense. I didn't necessarily see him

(10:58):
as a true home-run threat, but I don't think that's
a critical trait for a running back in the NFL.
But I think there were times that he did run
away from second- and third-level defenders, even though he's not
Jameer Gibbs or that kind of bag. But I think
he certainly has enough juice. I really liked the way
he ran. I thought he was competitive. I thought he
was physical. I thought he was tough. You know, and,

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you know, I guess I saw him as a guy,
and here was my final line in my transition. I said,
my sense is Price will be seen as a higher-level
volume complement as opposed to a foundation back that is
the starting point of an offense, but it is certainly
possible that he could be seen as a feature back
depending on a team's offensive philosophies. Obviously, the Seahawks see

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him as a feature back.

Speaker 1 (11:47):
Yeah, no doubt. Charbonnet is going to miss a few games.
It looks like Helani is going to be the number
two guy for now. Let's get to the offense itself
because you mentioned Brian Fleury. We go from Kubiak here
in Seattle, who then now is the head coach of
the Raiders, and they bring in Brian Fleury, first-time play caller,

(12:08):
former assistant coach with Kyle Shanahan in San Francisco, and
while we don't know really what Fleury's about as a
play caller overall, you can kind of fill us in
a little bit on the philosophy and maybe kind of
what to expect from this offense. Is it much the
same as we've seen?

Speaker 10 (12:26):
Well, let's put it this way. I think what you'll
see conceptually and from a methodology standpoint, I think you'll see–
the same thing. The thing that I always think about
when you have a new coordinator is not necessarily how
it's taught, because it'll be taught in a very similar
fashion as to what Kubiak did. The question always then comes,

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and there's no way to know this until you play
the games. And it's even hard then because, you know,
you and I are not sitting in the meetings during
the week, but then it comes down more to the
specific calls.

Speaker 1 (12:58):
In a game.

Speaker 10 (12:59):
You know, uh, how you go about putting together the
game plan. The concepts will be very similar. The whole
structure will be very similar. But what, you know, what's
the game plan going to be against specific opponents? And
what are the calls going to be, you know, in
a given game versus a specific opponent? And those are
the things you don't know for sure. And it's very

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hard to know the answer to that. And sometimes, you know, obviously,
if all of a sudden week one, and obviously it's
a big matchup, it's a Super Bowl rematch, you know,
let's say it doesn't work out great. I'm sure a
lot of people are immediately going to rip Brian Flurry.
And that, you know, that's just, coaches know that that's
the nature of the business. But, you know, and that's
why watching the tape for me is so important because

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sometimes plays don't work, not because it's a bad call,
but because maybe the, you know, the right guard just
missed a block and they had a big play that
was there, but the right guard missed a block or, well,
you know, you never know the reasons until you really
see the tape in detail. But to me, it comes
down to, the specific way he goes about game planning
specific opponents, and then the calls within a given game.

Speaker 1 (14:06):
Yeah, Hugh, your friend Hugh Millen and I were talking
about this a couple weeks ago, and one of the
things he's looking for is tempo and things like that
and all those things. And until you get into a
real game, you don't know. We spent the offseason hearing
a lot up here in Seattle, not about the Seahawks title,
but about what the Rams are doing. I don't want
to get to that now, but what I want to
do is I'll let maybe you can kind of wax

(14:27):
poetically and in your own way about what you see
in the film. about a couple guys that we're expecting
big things from again this season. And I'll just talk.
We just saw Hard Knocks. It just finished up. I
don't know if you watched it, but all the Seahawks
fans did. One of the overriding themes was Jackson Smith
and Jigba, the route runner that he is. They did
a graphic one, so it looked like he's like 18
Jackson Smith and Jigba's running around. But who and what

(14:48):
Jackson Smith and Jigba was and the chemistry he had
with Sam Darnold last season. And that's something that Brian
Fleury inherits. You watched all the Sam Darnold tape. You've
watched all the JSN tape. What is it about those
two guys that was just so magical last year and
maybe separates them from some other combinations?

Speaker 10 (15:05):
Well, you know, it's funny. I mean, look, we know
Smith and Jig was a great player. I don't think
I'm going to add to that. I mean, obviously he's
got unbelievable route quickness and separation quickness and a little
more vertical juice than people probably thought when he came
out of Ohio State. But You know, I watched a
ton of Sam Darnold over the last couple of weeks,

(15:26):
probably 250 dropbacks from a year ago. And to me,
the Seahawks pass game was an outstanding mix of scheme
and talent. Darnold's a really high level thrower. And I
thought the route concepts and combinations really did an excellent
job of presenting clean, defined reads and throws, even when
Darnold needed to work through progressions. And I thought he
did a really good job with that. But obviously, you know,

(15:49):
we talked about this during the season that two years ago,
Smith and Jigba played predominantly in the slot. Last year,
he played close to 80% as an outside receiver. So
he really can do anything that you ask him to do. So,
you know, there's no issue with Smith and Jigba. I
just think that, and again, this gets back to, you know,
Brian Flurry to some extent, but I just thought, you know,

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what they did in the games with their concepts was so,
so good. Now the concepts won't change. because, you know,
as I said, it's the same sort of school and
philosophy of offense from Kubiak to Fleury. But I thought
the Seahawks pass game was really well-schemed, well-designed. Darnold is

(16:31):
a fun watch. Now, again, you know, I have a
certain view of the quarterback position that comes from a
lot of years of experience and a lot of, you know,
being taught by people smarter than I. But to me,
that's That's what a quarterback looks like. I mean, he's big.
He's 6'4. He's 225. He throws the ball really well.
One thing that constantly stood out to me watching Darnold,

(16:55):
I thought he did an excellent job marrying his eyes
and his feet when he worked through progressions. You know,
so many quarterbacks, when they work through progressions, they end
up throwing a little off balance. They don't step to
their throws. I thought he did a really, really good.

Speaker 1 (17:08):
Job with that. I love that. Greg Cosell joining us
weekly visit. Love having Greg on every week. Seahawks offense
largely intact from a year ago. They'll have Rashid Shahid,
who's a lot more a part of the offense. He
never really kind of got acclimated to that part of it.
We believe Torrey Horton will be okay at some point.
We think he might even be ready for Wednesday. Who

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knows what's going to happen there. It's a familiar matchup.
When did you think you'd ever.

Speaker 10 (17:36):
Say that he'd be ready for Wednesday? Did you ever
think you'd be saying that about an NFL game?

Speaker 1 (17:40):
Greg, I mentioned this last week or maybe earlier this week.
Of all my years covering this team and lucky enough
to go all across the country covering this team, I
thought I'd seen it all when I covered a game
on Tuesday night football in L.A. in SoFi in I
think it was 2021. Tuesday night football. I thought that

(18:03):
was odd. Now we have Wednesday night football. So, no,
I never thought we'd have that. I never thought we'd
have that.

Speaker 10 (18:09):
Can I mention one player on the Seahawks offense that
I think is such a glue player?

Speaker 1 (18:14):
Let me ask. Let me guess. Is it A.J.

Speaker 11 (18:18):
Barner?

Speaker 10 (18:20):
Yes, it is. The more I watch their offense, like
I said, the great thing about the offseason is I
can sit and watch 250 dropbacks by Darnold over the
course of a couple of days. I can't do that
during this season when I have to get through as
many games as possible.

Speaker 1 (18:36):
Right.

Speaker 12 (18:37):
A.J.

Speaker 10 (18:37):
Bonner, to me, is one of those glue guys. Like,
you know, he's not going to catch 80 balls. He's,
you know, probably not a lot of people around the
league know who he is. They might know him because
the Seahawks won the Super Bowl so that, you know,
they've seen him on TV. But, you know, I just
think he's a really, really important piece. He lined up
as an attached tight end on about 80% of his snaps.

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He's really important in the run game. He's kind of
a an interesting player in the past game. Like I said,
he's not going to get 100 targets, but it's not
as if he's a non-factor in the past game.

Speaker 1 (19:14):
How about that? We must have been doing this for
a long time if I was able to guess that
out of 11 guys, huh? Are you impressed?

Speaker 10 (19:20):
Yeah, I just think he's a really, really solid... You know, look,
every team... it's kind of a shame what happened to
Jake Bobo because I remember seeing when Bobo and, and,
and hard knocks when Mike, I think it was Mike,
was it Mike McDonald or was it someone else?

Speaker 1 (19:35):
I might've been his coach. Yeah.

Speaker 7 (19:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (19:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (19:38):
It was the receivers coach.

Speaker 2 (19:40):
You're right.

Speaker 10 (19:41):
And, you know, and then he was talking to him
just about that, that you're a glue guy and you're
so important to the team. And then unfortunately tears up
his knee and he's done for the season. But, every
team needs guys like that. You know, we all talk
about the Darnolds, the Smith and Jigbiz, you know, the
stars on defense, and they've got a lot of them.
But every team needs those kinds of players. They're really

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important players. And everybody in the locker room, the coaching
staff in the building knows who those players are.

Speaker 1 (20:08):
That's why they paid him, and he was going to
be on this team and our best go out. He's
one of our favorites in the media. He's one of
the best guys to talk to, and it's a sad
thing for him. Just real quick on New England. For
folks just tuning in, normally on a Friday, we would
be previewing a game on a Sunday and going through
the opponent and really kind of doing that. We're not
doing that today. It's more of a kind of a

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preview of the Hawks. Same matchup as the Super Bowl.
Are we going to see, do you think, a similar
team that we saw on defense from the Patriots in
the Super Bowl?

Speaker 10 (20:39):
Knowing Mike Rabel, and I have been around him at
Titans training camp when he coached there, you know that
he seethed all offseason because the thing that probably, going
beyond the X's and O's, what stood out to me,
particularly watching the tape, I mean, I was in the stadium, obviously,
but then coming back and watching the tape, what stood
out to me is that the Patriots on both sides

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of the ball were physically beaten. I mean, the Seahawks
beat them up physically. And I'm not sure people expected that.
You know, it's one thing to, you know, Smith and
Jibgen making plays or, and obviously he didn't make a
ton of plays in that game, but the game didn't
require it. You know, it's one thing if those kinds
of things happen where great athletes make great plays, but
they were physically handled on both sides of the ball.

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And that's normally not what happens to a Mike Grable team.
So you know that That's something that I guarantee from
the day the schedule came out that has been talked
about in that Patriots building. And, again, my guess is
the game won't play out exactly that way. You know,
I'm not a predictor of games, as you know, Ian.
I'm not going to sit here and say, well, who's
going to win and all that. I don't do that

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because there's so many variables. But I guess I'd probably
be surprised if it was a physical mauling the way
the Super Bowl was.

Speaker 1 (21:52):
I would agree. This is Greg Cosell joining us. Other
side of the football. By and large, Seattle pretty intact
from last season on the defense. They lose Reek Wollin.
Maybe they're a little thin at that cornerback position. They
got Julian Neal, a rookie, and Avery Smith, the kid
they picked up from the Chargers. But they lose Kobe Bryant.

(22:13):
But they honestly probably– I know you like Ty Okada
and Julian Love back there. We think Nick Imanuola.

Speaker 10 (22:19):
It would happen to Bud Clark, though, because I like
his tape a lot. I'm sure he would have gotten snaps.

Speaker 1 (22:24):
That defense, they do add Dante Fowler on the front.

Speaker 9 (22:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (22:29):
So I'm not sure what juice he has left in
the tank, but we'll see. But what is it about
the Mike McDonald defense? You watched 32 defenses around the league,
and you're watching tape on all 32. What separates the
Mike McDonald defense from the other 31?

Speaker 10 (22:44):
You know, it's a fascinating point because they're a defense
that's not necessarily like a heavy blitz defense. You know, that's–
That's not the way they play. And I did look
at them this offseason as well because I was just
really curious. Here's what stood out to me. I thought
on third down, and I think they were the number

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one third down defense in the league.

Speaker 1 (23:06):
Is that correct?

Speaker 10 (23:10):
I thought on third down, and that's such a critical
down in this league, as you know. I mean, they
had a lot of things that stood out as I
kept watching play after play. So there's certain tactics. They
lined up what we call loaded fronts pretty much consistently
on third down, meaning they had three defensive linemen to
one side of the offensive center. And then they stunt.

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They were a high percentage stunt defense with their defensive line.
And what they did is they changed their coverage look
from pre-snap to post-snap. They were really, really good at
dropping D linemen out into underneath coverage, which was foundational
to many of their coverage to their pressure concepts, and

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that can cause problems for quarterbacks. And don't forget, in
a game of milliseconds, that's a big deal, because if
the quarterback just for a second feels like he's uncertain,
that's a big deal. They were very multiple on third
and long with their pass rush tactics and their changing
coverage looks on the second level and on the back end.

(24:11):
And then, of course, when Witherspoon came back from injury,
I think it was week nine, they played dime on
more than 25% of their snaps. And that became kind
of foundational to the way they played. It was the
third highest percentage in the league. But I got to
tell you, another player, we talked about A.J.

Speaker 8 (24:27):
Bonner.

Speaker 1 (24:28):
There's a player on defense.

Speaker 10 (24:29):
And I actually had this conversation with a very good
friend of mine who's a scout on a team in
the league. And he was tasked this offseason with evaluating
every starting corner in the league. You know, that's what
teams do. They ask their scouts to do those kinds
of things in the offseason. And he validated what I thought.
And I didn't tell him what I thought. I asked him, hey,
who are the guys in your study that were not

(24:51):
the obvious guys that really stood out to you? And
one of the first names he said was Josh Jobe.
And you know, beginning two years ago, he and I
started talking about Josh Jobe and how good he was.
And predominantly, he was playing in the nickel then as
an outside corner. And then he clearly beat out Wolin,
which is why Wolin's not there anymore. probably among other

(25:12):
reasons as well. But Josh Jobe is a really solid
NFL corner, and I'm not sure a lot of people
think about him that way, but he is an important
player in the context of this defense because one of
the things they do a lot of is they play
a lot out of a two-shell, two-high safety structure, and
they take that boundary safety because Jobe's the boundary corner

(25:34):
and They take that boundary safety and they basically what
we call poach him or bring him inside. So they
let Joe play what is essentially zero-man coverage with no
safety help. And there's no way Mike McDonald would let
him do that if he didn't think he could handle
that responsibility.

Speaker 1 (25:51):
I wonder if that changes on Wednesday because last night, check,
the Patriots have a new wide receiver that we didn't
see in the Super Bowl who's pretty good, right?

Speaker 13 (26:00):
A.J.

Speaker 10 (26:00):
Brown, who's a boundary X. And that'll be interesting to
see what happens in that game because he'll be their
boundary X.

Speaker 1 (26:08):
Will Campbell kind of had his issues against Seattle in
that game. And the Seahawks, I mentioned Fowler, they re-signed
Derek Hall. They made the decision, Hall over Moffay, kind
of like Job over Wolin probably. They also re-signed a
guy by the name of Leonard Williams. You've heard of him,
pretty good player. So that defensive front, you mentioned it,

(26:30):
both sides of the line, that Super Bowl, the defensive
front for Seattle. Riley Mills, ladies and gentlemen, made his
appearance in the Super Bowl as well from Notre Dame.
You know what?

Speaker 10 (26:41):
In studying a lot of these teams that play too
high shell as a foundation, and Seattle's one of them.
They're not in the Vic Fangio school, which most people
talk about with the too high safety structures, but Seattle
played predominantly out of a too high shell team. The
argument could be made that de-tackle has become one of

(27:01):
the most, if not the most important position for these defenses.
And I'll tell you why. Because now you're not, now
a safety is not in the box. So you have
one less gap player in the run game. So now
the de-tackles are absolutely critical. I mean, look at a
team like the Eagles, the money they just spent on
Jordan Davis and Jalen Carter. Look at you mentioned Riley Mills,

(27:23):
who's now the fourth guy. You know, they have a
group of the tackle starting with Williams and Murphy who
are phenomenal. Murphy was had a great year and Williams
is Williams. And, you know, obviously, Jared Reed has been
a really solid NFL player for a lot of years.
And then Riley Mills, a player I really like coming
out of Notre Dame and then unfortunately tore his ACL
late in his last season. But they could have a

(27:46):
four-man rotation at D-tackle. But it all starts there because
now with one less player in the box, those D-tackles
are so, so critical in stopping the run, which obviously
Seattle does well.

Speaker 1 (28:00):
Well, Greg, it's a good start for us because every
Friday we will be checking in with you. Next Friday
the game will have been played. So what we'll do
is we will recap what you saw a little bit
and look ahead to– But we'll kind of recap. And
I think what I'm actually looking forward to, Greg, next Friday,
is when we do discuss what you saw on Wednesday,

(28:23):
is kind of getting a feel, maybe, I'm assuming in
a regular season game, you'll have a little better feel
for the Brian Flory offense after one game, too, right?

Speaker 10 (28:29):
Without question. You know, look, we all understand Ian, that
preseason to coaches and players is so, so important. So,
so important. And believe me, I've been to camps throughout
my career, and the importance for these players is just astronomical.
So I am not downplaying it at all. Just for me,
as far as tactics and schematics and those kinds of things,

(28:53):
it doesn't help me as much. But for the players
and the coaches and their evaluation, I mean, it is absolutely.

Speaker 1 (29:00):
Critical, clearly.

Speaker 10 (29:01):
And it's these guys' lives. So I'm not downplaying it
at all.

Speaker 1 (29:06):
When's the first matchup show?

Speaker 10 (29:08):
Well, I'm going to tell you I'm very excited about
it because now that ESPN and the NFL Network have merged,
I guess would be the right term, we're going to
be on six times on a lot of weeks starting
week one because we're going to have three airings on
ESPN and three airings on the NFL Network. So I
know people these days don't necessarily watch a lot of
shows when they're on. but there's so many more opportunities now.

(29:32):
Now you can obviously DVR it or whatever people do
these days, but the fact that we're going to be
on six times most weeks, I'm really pleased.

Speaker 1 (29:41):
Well, listen, if people want to see Greg Cosell's smiling
pretty face with makeup and a tie on, then make
sure you tune in and you'll get some good football
knowledge mixed in as well, right?

Speaker 10 (29:51):
Well, I appreciate that, even though I do have a
face for radio, Ian, but thank you.

Speaker 1 (29:57):
Jessamyn says hi, by the way. Jessamyn says hi. Oh, good. Good.
I say hi back, of course, always. You got to
text me. Say, make sure you tell Kosel I said hello. So, yeah,
she just bailed on us, right, Anders? Anders, she just
bailed on us. Yeah, she did.

Speaker 4 (30:10):
She wanted to go to a more professional radio show.

Speaker 1 (30:13):
Apparently that's what happened. Yeah. Listen, Greg, I'm thrilled to
have you back. You do a handful of these across
the country, and us here in Seattle Seahawk fans are
better off every week hearing from you, and thrilled to
have you back again this year, my friend. Thank you.

Speaker 10 (30:29):
Oh, no, great to be back. Really looking forward to it. And,
you know, let's hope people remember. And I know it's
a new season. You never know what's going to happen.
But the Seahawks are Super Bowl champions until they play
a game.

Speaker 1 (30:41):
We've got to remind the rest of the national media
that because I think the Rams have already collected their Lombardi. Please.
I'll let Andrew wax on about that. Greg, thank you.
We'll talk to you next week after game one.

Speaker 9 (30:52):
Thanks, guys.

Speaker 1 (30:52):
Appreciate it. Greg Cosell joining us here. We'll take a break.
We're at the Snoqualmie Casino and Hotel specifically. Hawks Peak
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Speaker 1 (31:35):
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starting next weekend. Not this weekend. Starting next weekend. 11
o'clock tomorrow. Breakfast served all day.

Speaker 4 (31:57):
Oh, that's my favorite. When they do that, that's good stuff.

Speaker 1 (32:03):
May have actually had breakfast here earlier today, Anders.

Speaker 3 (32:06):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (32:07):
Went with the touchdown. That would be eggs over easy.

Speaker 7 (32:11):
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 (32:12):
Sausage patties.

Speaker 4 (32:14):
I'm a huge breakfast food guy. I'm not going to lie.

Speaker 1 (32:16):
Thick bacon.

Speaker 7 (32:17):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (32:18):
Hash browns. I substitute an extra thing of hash browns
instead of having toast.

Speaker 4 (32:23):
I like that.

Speaker 1 (32:23):
Very healthy breakfast for me.

Speaker 4 (32:25):
Well done.

Speaker 1 (32:25):
Well done. Need a nap, but yeah, good stuff here.
These guys do a great job as well. Good stuff
from Greg Cosell. The NFL season starting, as we were
joking on Wednesday, is still odd, but it does.

Speaker 7 (32:41):
And.

Speaker 1 (32:41):
I think it just ended a really important game for Seattle.
A really important game for Seattle.

Speaker 4 (32:48):
I tell you, when Greg was talking about Mike Vrabel's
thought process with that, I think a lot of people,
rightly so, thinking about the Rams, but this first game
kind of scares me a little bit. I could totally
see the Patriots wanting absolute revenge after what happened in February.

(33:09):
They have a better team this year, no doubt. I'm
curious as to how they'll respond and if the Seahawks
will be ready. They've had a lot, not distractions, but
Super Bowl champs. You're going in with a target on
your back.

Speaker 1 (33:20):
That's a good point. That's a good point. And you
look ahead, they go New England, and then they've got
back-to-back road games, Arizona and Washington. I can guarantee you
Washington's not going to be as bad as they were
last year.

Speaker 4 (33:31):
Correct. I totally agree with that.

Speaker 1 (33:32):
That's just not going to be the case. 10 a.m.
game on the 20th. But Arizona, that should be one
of your easiest games of the year. For sure.

Speaker 4 (33:40):
For sure.

Speaker 1 (33:41):
I'm going to emphasize the word should. Should. It should be.

Speaker 4 (33:44):
We all know that place can be weird.

Speaker 1 (33:47):
Very weird. So you've got to get off to a start,
want to know. We talk about it every year on
this show, over and over and over again. People get
tired of it, I'm sure. The right-hand column in the
NFL is all that matters. Yes, it is. And you
cannot get past six or seven. Probably six. And if
you want to win the division, you can't get past

(34:08):
three or four.

Speaker 9 (34:09):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (34:10):
That's just the way it is. With the division win
comes home field advantage. Without it, you're on the road
for the entire playoffs. We just talked about the Mariners
in the first segment today and what it's going to
take to get to the playoffs. What do we come
up with? 16-5, right? Maybe 16-5, 15-6 gets you to 500.
Think about that. Only six more losses on that right-hand column.

(34:30):
When we come back, Interesting comments yesterday on the Softie
Mahler-Richard L. Fane show. It's afternoons 3 to 7 here
on KJR if you haven't heard it. But interesting comments
from Mariner pitcher Bryce Miller. Team's kind of living in

(34:52):
the past. A little disturbing. We'll hear those next.

Speaker 7 (34:57):
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Speaker 1 (35:04):
Brought to you by Frostbrew Coors Light. Choose chill. AMZOO's
first game of the series yesterday. The Athletics 7-4. Season-high
18 strikeouts. More in a moment on that. Logan Gilbert
does go tonight for Seattle. Apple Cup Sunday, 1 o'clock
here on KJR. NFL Pro Football Hall of Fame made
sweeping changes to its selection process, including a significant reduction
in the number of selectors and the elimination of a
separate seniors category.

Speaker 4 (35:25):
Is that good for the Mike Holmgren hopes?

Speaker 1 (35:27):
We think. We'll get more clarity on it Monday when
Sandow jumps on with us. And then... Daquan Wright, Xavier Harris,
cleared to return to college football after a court order
on Thursday, late Thursday in Alabama. They play for LSU.
Will they play this weekend?

Speaker 4 (35:43):
It's quite a risk if you're LSU.

Speaker 1 (35:46):
Might be a risky move, LSU Lane Kiffin. I don't
think he cares. And finally, Jacob Melanson, Kraken winger, has
signed a three-year contract extension to remain with the team. Actually,
he was already under contract, but just an extension to
his final year, I believe, of his deal. Here we go.

(36:08):
All right, we're back. It's the Oklahoma Casino Hotel. Ian Furness,
Anderson Hurst, back in the studio. Great to be at
Hawks Peak, 60-plus TVs. It's a place to be watching
your college football this weekend, NFL in college next weekend,
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If you're a diehard fan and want to come up here,
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(36:30):
Have some fun. Make it a weekend. Enjoy your football.
All here at the Oklahoma Casino and Hotel. SNOCasino.com to
book your room today. Well, Anders, before we get back
to some conversation about football, Danny O'Neill is going to
join us at 1.20. Rob rang at 2 p.m. today.
Let's wrap up the baseball real quick, shall we? We shall.

(36:50):
We shall. Pre-game yesterday, Bryce Miller was on with Softee
and Fane. And Anders is going to play this sound,
but I'm just going to let him play it, and
then we'll react to it on the other side. Go ahead.

Speaker 14 (37:05):
Coming into this season and spring training and just about
every single meeting that we've had as a team up
until about a month ago, it was every single time,
you know, it comes up of, oh, you know, last
year we did this last year. We were in the
ALCS last year. We almost went to the world series.

(37:25):
And I think there comes a point where we recognize that,
you know, we had a good season last year and
we have expectations that we want to meet and but
there also comes a point where you've got to let
go of that. This is a new season. What we
did last year has nothing to do with what we
do this year, and we've just got to go out

(37:46):
there and play. It wouldn't have mattered if we were
in the World Series last year or not. That's not
going to change the results that we have this year,
and I think that's something that we kind of, as
a team, talked about in our last meeting was like,
all right, whatever happens, Our expectations were whatever happened last year,

(38:06):
it's done. We can't relive it. We're living now. We're
living in a new season with new difficulties and new opportunities.
It's time to move on and go out and win
today and win this series, win this month, and get

(38:26):
into the postseason and make a new story.

Speaker 1 (38:30):
What are you reading to that?

Speaker 4 (38:32):
I think that's very wise, first of all, from Bryce Miller.
And I think that kind of plays itself out on
the field. You can tell these guys I've said this
multiple times this year. This isn't what Bryce is saying,
but I'll take it a step further and say these
guys kind of just thought that they could show up
day after day and their talent would kind of show through.

(38:54):
And they would end up winning the AL West. They
were listening to all the narratives that everyone was talking about.
That the AL West wasn't good this year. And that
the Mariners were by far the most talented team in
the division. And they're kind of playing like that. And
the fact that we're now... Now it's go time. We've
got to figure out what we're doing and go on
a run here. That tells you that there wasn't any

(39:15):
sort of urgency for this year, in 2026, for the
majority of this team. That's how I kind of view
like they've been playing for.

Speaker 1 (39:25):
The entirety of the year as well. So, one one
thing i i agree and this whole living in the
it's also the kind of the theme of the organization
is to live in the past yeah like it's very
on brand yeah it's really is it's about as on
brand mariners as you can get 95 01 We're living
in the past. No organization that has done less lives

(39:47):
in the past and celebrates the past more than these guys.
It's the reality of it.

Speaker 4 (39:51):
It ticks me off.

Speaker 1 (39:53):
Yeah, and listen, right, wrong, that's until you win a
World Series, that's what you have. But they do live
in the past, and this current team being haunted by that.
I would actually make an argument right now that living
in the past, including last year, at this particular time,

(40:13):
may not be a bad thing. Because a year ago,
in terms of the same number of games, they were
three and a half games out of first place. A
year ago right now.

Speaker 9 (40:25):
That's right.

Speaker 1 (40:26):
And we all know how finished they ended up winning
the division. Now, they were also sitting in a wild
card spot, comfortably in a wild card spot at that point.
So it's a little bit different. You had two ways
to get in. It felt like, okay, maybe if you
don't win the division, you're going to get in Via
the wild card. That's not probably going to be the
case this season. But you're only a couple games behind
last year's pace. Right. In terms of where you were.

(40:49):
So maybe living in the past has been haunting them
all year. But maybe now the message is, hey, we
were three and a half out last year at this
time with 21 to go.

Speaker 7 (40:59):
Right.

Speaker 12 (40:59):
Right.

Speaker 1 (40:59):
So maybe that's okay. But it was when, you know,
I missed it live. I got in the car right
after an appointment. And Softie, I hear Softie talking about it.
I'm going, what? hell, we've got to talk to them
about this. I think it was right they had Jerry
Brewer on afterwards and they talked about it. It's very
much living in the past. Very much living in the past.

(41:21):
That's a hard thing to do. That's a hard thing
to be haunted by. I think part of that is
just the expectations were so high this season and rightfully so.
They should have been high. Higher than they've ever been
for this organization. It doesn't erase anything. It this has
just been probably the most frustrating year from a fan standpoint,

(41:44):
from what we hear from fans, and even friends that
we talk to, right? Would you agree? This is about
the most frustrating season of Mariner baseball that any of
us can remember.

Speaker 4 (41:54):
Probably in my lifetime, to be honest.

Speaker 1 (41:56):
And yet they still have the opportunity to flip the script,
change the narrative, turn it all around, softy term coming,
wait for it, three, two, one.

Speaker 4 (42:05):
There's the wait for it, by the way.

Speaker 1 (42:07):
I know. It's all in front of us. It's all
in front of them. How often do you hear them
say that? Yeah, it's a lot. Everything's in front of
you right now. I mean, it's true, though.

Speaker 9 (42:15):
It's true.

Speaker 7 (42:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (42:16):
But then you have a game like last night.

Speaker 9 (42:18):
Like, really?

Speaker 1 (42:20):
That was what we had last night?

Speaker 15 (42:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (42:22):
After a big series in Boston where it feels like
the offense wakes up.

Speaker 15 (42:26):
And, yeah.

Speaker 1 (42:27):
And the offense. I guess in a sense yesterday.

Speaker 4 (42:30):
Not good enough. Absolutely not. No, you look at the
four runs and you're like, oh yeah, they were okay,
but as bad as the A's pitching is.

Speaker 1 (42:38):
Yeah, here's the thing with last night. This is what
I would argue with last night is the following. You
got like the, and I think it was Ryan Healy
mentioned it on the broadcast and he was so true.
He was so right. When you have that long coast
to coast trip and they had a, you know, not
to give an excuse, but they had that weird schedule
where Instead of playing a true day game, they put

(43:00):
it at 4 o'clock Boston time. Right. You know, like, what?
That's nice. That's nice. Thanks, schedule makers. Now, this is
the last thing that you can wait about the schedule
considering what they have left on their schedule. Nobody's got
a softer schedule. But the weird thing was they came
out and they scored three in the first. Like, they
got on top early. A's got the one. They come
back and take a 3-1 lead. And you're like, okay, well,

(43:22):
we're good. Here we go. And then they didn't score
again until the sixth. And by then it was... too little,
too late, because they gave up the... I mean, it
was a two-run game. They made it within one, and
then obviously what happened with the eighth and ninth with
the A's knocking them out. And then you talk about
some of the at-bats. Josh Naylor, 0 for 5 last night.
Cal Raleigh was 1 for 4 with two strikeouts. Naylor

(43:44):
had two strikeouts. I mean, everybody had a strikeout. They
had 18. I mean, Crawford's the only guy that didn't
strike out. But you look through the lineup, and there
were some guys you would expect more from. Julio, 1
for 4. Left a number of runners on base. Your
best players have to be your best players, and that
wasn't the case last night. Against, frankly, not a very
good baseball team. It's been that way all year long, Ian.
Besides Randy. Randy's the only one that you can say

(44:06):
has done his job offensively this year. Really.

Speaker 4 (44:10):
You can say Dom as well, but from your guys
that you expected going into the year to be playing
every single day and be a big part of this offense,
Randy's the only one that can say that.

Speaker 1 (44:19):
That's just pathetic, man.

Speaker 11 (44:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (44:21):
It's pathetic. Absolutely pathetic.

Speaker 1 (44:23):
But it's still something you can turn around. I'm going
to say that until it's over. Ian, stop it.

Speaker 4 (44:31):
I can't do it anymore, man.

Speaker 1 (44:33):
I know everyone wants to jump ship. I know. But, guys,
do the math. They're there. They're there. And they're not
competing against a juggernaut of a team. It's not like
they're in the same division as a dynasty big red
machine team or early 70s A's.

Speaker 12 (44:49):
No.

Speaker 1 (44:49):
No. They're playing in this just absolutely mushy middle, meh,
American League.

Speaker 4 (44:57):
Meh.

Speaker 1 (44:58):
Meh. What did they call it last year in the hockey?
The pillow fight that was the Pacific Division?

Speaker 4 (45:03):
God, so true.

Speaker 1 (45:04):
Well, this is worse.

Speaker 4 (45:06):
This is AOS, yeah.

Speaker 1 (45:08):
At least teams were above 500. That's true. Very true.
That's not the case here. Anyway, good stuff. By the way,
the interview with Bryce Miller was great yesterday.

Speaker 4 (45:18):
Yeah, he did a good job.

Speaker 1 (45:19):
He's a good interviewer. He's great on that front. So
you can go check that out, the podcast page for
Softie and Fane, if you want to hear the whole thing. Okay.
We'll take a break. We'll come back in a second.
We've got to check in with Danny O'Neill. I should
mention 49451. That is the Tacoma Dodge text line, 49451.
Fire off your thoughts, your comments, your questions, concerns. Obviously,

(45:42):
talkbacks are welcome as well. Boy, I'd like to hear
me a softie heading into the Apple Cup weekend, wouldn't you?

Speaker 8 (45:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (45:48):
Wouldn't you like to hear softie?

Speaker 4 (45:49):
Would love that.

Speaker 1 (45:50):
Or Seattle Pacific alum, furious, I'm a husky, Feltz. Fire one, two.

Speaker 4 (45:57):
Furious Feltz, FIFA Feltz.

Speaker 1 (46:00):
Serious Feltz.

Speaker 4 (46:01):
Serious Feltz.

Speaker 1 (46:02):
Serious Feltz might have been the best one, right?

Speaker 4 (46:04):
Yeah, I still like FIFA Feltz the best. FIFA Feltz.
That was my favorite.

Speaker 1 (46:11):
FIFA makes me feel like there's something dirty going on
there because FIFA is corrupt. Jackson's right in the forefront
of it.

Speaker 4 (46:17):
I just think it was his excitement for the World
Cup coverage at the time was very palpable, I should say.

Speaker 1 (46:23):
Yeah. I'd say borderline unhealthy, but that's just me. Fair enough.
All right. Danny O'Neill, the dang apostrophe. He is standing by.
We'll check with him coming up next.

Speaker 7 (46:37):
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Speaker 11 (47:13):
I'm good. How are you, Ian?

Speaker 1 (47:14):
I'm good. I hear you're going to the U.S. Open
at some point over the next few days out there
in New York City, Flushing Meadows, Long Island, the former
home of one Jessamyn McIntyre. I know it's a big
thing for my guy, Andrew. I'm not a tennis guy,
but I know for a lot of people, even if
you're not a tennis person, it's a bucket list thing.
What's that all about?

Speaker 11 (47:35):
It's very fun.

Speaker 16 (47:37):
When I'd never gone to a tennis tournament before, I
guess there had been one. I'm not sure what level
on the tour it was when I lived.

Speaker 6 (47:44):
In California in high school.

Speaker 16 (47:46):
But the first time I went to the U.S.

Speaker 6 (47:48):
Open, it would have been 2021.

Speaker 9 (47:50):
Actually, the first year that I went to the U.S.

Speaker 16 (47:54):
Open, I was standing on the subway platform waiting to
take the 7 train back to Manhattan when I saw
that Montana had beaten the Huskies.

Speaker 1 (48:02):
Oh, God. Oh, God. All right.

Speaker 11 (48:06):
I was coming back. I just watched.

Speaker 16 (48:08):
It was the it was the women's final. Emma Raducanu
had played Layla Fernandez. And yeah, that was that was
very devastating.

Speaker 11 (48:16):
I love it.

Speaker 16 (48:17):
Watching tennis is really fun. It's a different sporting experience.

Speaker 11 (48:21):
The and the.

Speaker 16 (48:23):
Crowd's a little quieter, but people get a little rowdier
in New York and. You've just got all these matches
going on. So the first week really is my favorite
part of the tournament.

Speaker 1 (48:32):
I love it. Well, have fun with that. Danny O'Neill
joining us. All right. Before we get to Seahawks and
Mariners maybe and everything else, it's Apple Cup week. We're
supposed to hate each other. I hate you, Danny O'Neill.
I just hate you.

Speaker 16 (48:47):
I felt there was a little tinge because we've talked
about this before. I'm one of those Huskies that feels
a lot of regret. and sadness over the departure from
the pac-12 and kind of really feel that it was
we abandoned the kooks and i know the i know
the rationale and the explanation right or right it you

(49:08):
had to do it for washington's sake it's the right
move but there was still just like it's it's it's
felt wrong but this year for the first time and
it was when the when the controversy started stirring up
about the band and where the Coug band was given tickets.

Speaker 1 (49:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 16 (49:23):
And I felt a little flash of the old condescending
Husky in me, which was like, Oh, you guys could
work the stairs to be able to walk down for
the halftime show. It was, there was just, it was
a little glimmer of, Oh yeah, this is, that's how
we're supposed to feel this time of year. It, I,
I don't want to say I've accepted what's happened because

(49:45):
there's a big part of it that still makes me sad.
I do feel better about the game this year than
I have the past two years.

Speaker 6 (49:51):
I feel better about that part.

Speaker 1 (49:53):
What do you mean by that? You feel better about
the game?

Speaker 16 (49:55):
I feel the Cougs are in a better place. Last
year when this game was played, you're coming off the
North Texas game.

Speaker 11 (50:04):
You've got a new coach, did not appear to know.

Speaker 16 (50:06):
What he was doing when it came to picking a quarterback.

Speaker 6 (50:09):
And it looked like the bottom was falling out.

Speaker 11 (50:11):
And then to the Cougs credit, they rallied and were
really competitive.

Speaker 16 (50:17):
In my mind, especially when you view what happened those
first couple games, how competitive they were at Ole Miss,
like really showed some starch. I think it's lame that
Jimmy Rogers left. And I think that's a reflection on him.
But I think the buyout and the money that came
from that and getting Kirby Moore, I feel like while
we don't know more about the Wazoo program necessarily because

(50:41):
it is a first-year coach, it feels to me that
Wazoo is in a much better place right now than
they were 12 months ago.

Speaker 1 (50:46):
I think they're in a better place, and we wouldn't
have known because we had to have some context to
look back on. I think you're right. I think one
of the things with Rodgers, and I've had my say
about him on the air enough times, but wasn't invested,
wasn't buying in, which is fine. And, you know, there's
stepping stone jobs all across the country. And that's just

(51:07):
the reality. I mean, there's very few schools that don't
have the ability to say, or that have the ability
to say, we're not a stepping stone school. Case in point,
Caitlin DeBoer took your school to the national championship game
and then left for a bigger program. There's almost always
a bigger program unless it's three or four programs in
the country. I didn't have a problem with Jimmy. I
had a problem with Jimmy Rogers, period. And you're right.

(51:29):
He just wasn't. He was never invested. He was never
invested in anything Washington State. He had good enough players
still around left over from Dickert, brought a few guys
from South Dakota State. They were competitive, but it just, yeah,
it was, I would say the thing, and I don't,
our guys may get their doors blown off on Sunday.

(51:50):
I know this is a big point spread. Danny, I
think you're right. I think we're in a better spot
moving ahead. It may not show up at 1 o'clock
on Sunday at Husky Stadium against a ranked Washington team.
It may not show up there, but I think long-term
we're better off. If nothing else, you can see the
retention that Kirby Moore had and guys not going down
to Iowa State with Jimmy Rogers. I think that says

(52:13):
all you need to see. I like Dickard, but Dickard
mailed in the second half of his last season. I
think Rogers did the same thing and That's hard, man.
So hopefully we have a guy here for a couple years.
And obviously Jed's third year with, you know, DeMond, whether
he wants to be here or not, it doesn't matter.
It's an elite quarterback and good offensive line and really
good defense. I mean, I think there's good stuff down

(52:35):
the road for probably both programs.

Speaker 16 (52:38):
Well, it'll be very interesting to see because Washington this
season should be positioned to, like, look, the idea of
go compete for a playoff spot, That wasn't realistic the
past couple years.

Speaker 3 (52:51):
No.

Speaker 16 (52:52):
It is this year, and that'll be the expectation. And
then you talk about stepping stone jobs. Nobody knows what'll
happen after that. If they're as successful as people like
me hope, if they're able to win 10 games, if
they do get into the playoffs, what does that mean long-term?

Speaker 11 (53:04):
I have no idea, but it should be. I'm excited
to watch it out. I will say.

Speaker 16 (53:10):
I don't think there's going to be a lot of
patience with DeMond. If the score is 13-6 at halftime
and things haven't looked great, I think you might hear
some grumbles. I don't think there's going to be a
ton of patience with DeMond this year from the home crowd.

Speaker 1 (53:24):
Daniel O'Neill joining us. As a Husky alum, what are
your feelings about Jed Fish?

Speaker 16 (53:32):
I think that Jed has done a really good job
of rebuilding relationships or building relationships.

Speaker 6 (53:39):
With the local high school programs.

Speaker 16 (53:41):
I've really been impressed with that.

Speaker 11 (53:43):
I think he's an exceptional recruiter.

Speaker 16 (53:46):
I think he's done a really good job after walking
into a really tough situation. I don't know how, I
think he has bigger expectations of what kind of support
he should be getting than he might ever get at Washington.
I think that that and look, that's a that's a

(54:08):
fair question of what does it take to compete in
the Big Ten? I think that I think that Jed's
got a pretty big vision for what it would take
for Washington to do that. And I like and approve
of the job he's done. I'm not sure how long
it's going to last here. And I might might turn
out to be wrong when they took that huge first

(54:28):
step forward in Kalen DeBoer's first year. and you saw
a lot of money step up in terms of NIL
support for Penix and Roma Dunze and Troy Paotano. They
kept a lot of guys after that season, and maybe
there's a similar uptick here, but my honest feeling as
a Husky fan is that if it goes as well

(54:51):
as everybody hopes it might this year, that you very
well might see a similar situation where he ends up
somewhere else, and I don't I kind of accept that
as the nature of contemporary college football. And that's what
Washington has signed up for by going to.

Speaker 6 (55:07):
The, to, to the big 10. Like this is, they
were part.

Speaker 16 (55:10):
Of that decision and this is the little big bank
take little bank world that's there. But I think he's
done a really good job and I think he has
some pretty high expectations.

Speaker 11 (55:20):
And to be honest, I don't think is entirely happy.

Speaker 16 (55:23):
With how much the infrastructure support and the funding and
the level of, of, of, just money that they have
available for players.

Speaker 4 (55:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (55:32):
I think it's a, it's the dynamic on the West coast,
as opposed to the Southeast, for example, or even some
of the upper Midwest schools, it's just a different feel,
you know, in terms of what you're going to do for,
you know, for the program in terms of finances and,
you know, the ones that Texas tech or Oregon that
have true whales, like one whale that supports the whole thing.
That's one thing it's, it's, but there's this, it's inherent

(55:54):
in the, in the culture in your, in your society
or community, in the area of the region you're in that,
you know, like what, Schools like ours, honestly, it's probably
the one thing they have in common is you're, you
played in the pack 10. I'll use that for example.
I don't even want to think about the 12, but
let's just think about the pack 10. You played in
the pack 10 and you recruited kids from your own state.
And then you got whatever's left over in California from USC, right?

(56:17):
That's what you did. And you were always good enough
to compete with pretty much everybody in the country. maybe
not win national championships on a regular basis, but you
were always in the top 25 and you were one
of those programs. And all it costs the fan, Danny,
all it costs the fan was season tickets and maybe
a seat license or a parking pass, right? That's what
it cost you as a fan. And you were good
with that. And maybe you donated to the athletic fund,

(56:38):
but that was probably in the form of a seat license.
So you sat at the 40 as opposed to the
10-yard line. Well, as we all know, things have changed.
And I don't think we've evolved on the West Coast
enough And let's be honest, Oregon gets a lot of
credit for having all the money. No, they've got Phil Knight.
You know, like that's the thing. We're just not used
to spending money to support our football program as opposed

(57:01):
to a place, even Texas Tech, right? It's Texas. I mean,
the dude that's supporting Texas, Campbell, whatever his name is,
Texas Tech, he probably sat there and he probably built
like three high school stadiums so his kids could play
him Steve Ballmer-like, right? I mean, so that's just a
different way of thinking, I guess, is my long-winded way
of saying that I give a little bit of a
pass to whether it be Husky fans or anybody else
on the West Coast, because we're just not used to that.

(57:22):
We weren't handing out, well, Tosh LaPoi was. But outside
of Tosh and his $ 100... His $ 100 Styrofoam cup. We
weren't used to doing that. Or Billy Joe playing golf
out at the old Tyee course and getting money for it. Like,
by and large, we weren't handing out money to, you know,
boosters weren't handing out money as the kids were walking
through into the locker room.

Speaker 16 (57:42):
As someone who has, since the time I've been in school,
said I will willingly take two years of probation for
a Rose Bowl, I tend to see cheating as somewhat
endemic and a part of college football that I don't
know if you're ever going to flush completely out and
there are cultural differences in different parts of the country
about how that has happened and gone about i do

(58:04):
like the idea of balmer though because he might have
some time on his hands maybe we could get him i.

Speaker 13 (58:09):
Would have absolutely no complaints to have someone like look
man you're not going to have an adam silver breathing
down your neck pablo torre isn't going to come out
of here and do any sort of podcast i i
think what you say what you say is right and
It's very interesting to see what has happened.

Speaker 16 (58:26):
Texas Tech and Indiana are two schools who have vaulted
themselves toward the top. And in the case of Texas Tech,
that has really been through the donations of Cody Campbell.
He has upped the amount of money that's available. We'll
see if they have a quarterback this year. They certainly
tried to fix their problem with quarterback, but that became

(58:46):
an issue in and of itself. Indiana is a school
that When they hired Kurt Cignetti, I think people that
knew football thought that was a really good hire, but
it wasn't this sort of game changing. They went and
dropped a million dollars, millions upon millions of dollars to
get the best coaching prospect. Now, with the success they've experienced,

(59:07):
you've seen an uptick in the donations and now you have.
Mark Cuban tied in there, but you also have Kurt
Cignetti didn't want to go.

Speaker 6 (59:13):
To a different job.

Speaker 16 (59:15):
Like he, yes, he is extremely highly paid at his
job and where he is, but he also didn't say
I'm going to go and get to the biggest flashiest
place I can because like Kalen DeBoer did. And there's
part of me, like maybe Jed will ultimately see Washington
as this is the place that I can win a
national championship. He also might be more along the lines

(59:35):
of other coaches and I'm not begrudging him because if
you sign up to go to a place with more resources,
ask Kalen DeBoer about the additional scrutiny or the fairness
of that.

Speaker 6 (59:44):
Scrutiny that you face.

Speaker 16 (59:46):
There's a part of college football that is now, it
resembles the NFL in some ways, And then in other ways,
not at all. Because the one thing that you don't
have in the NFL is people don't go poaching coaches.
That doesn't happen. And that absolutely happens in college football.

Speaker 1 (01:00:02):
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say it's pro football and all this kind of stuff
every morning. There's a great I think it was with
the ball brothers. Max Crosby was on with them a

(01:00:23):
couple of weeks ago and he was just killing kids going,
I got these dudes coming into the locker room. Now
they went to four schools in five years. They thought
they were pros as an 18 year old freshman. That's
not pro football. And he went on and on and
he's right. It's not pro football. And one of the
reasons is what he was saying that, you know, like
I can't trust a teammate that's going, you know, always
looking for something else. Right. But in college, that's what

(01:00:43):
it is. You're always looking for the next best thing.
And the coach is getting poached. Like, A contract besides
the buyout money for the school means nothing in college football.
Washington enforced a contract with DeMond last year, and that's
the first contract. Honest to God, I feel like, Danny,
that's the first and only contract I've seen in college
football that was ever enforced or mattered. And you don't

(01:01:06):
have that in the NFL. You don't have guys– Mike McDonald's–
Jerry Jones isn't calling Mike McDonald in the middle of
the season saying, hey, man, are you interested in coming here?
And then Mike McDonald mailing in the second half of
the season like, I've seen it happen twice with Dickerton Rogers.
That doesn't happen, right? But it does in college football.
They're so different. I'm glad you brought that up because
if Jed has a great year and people want to

(01:01:27):
get him, they're going to have to wait. They're going
to have to wait. Well, except for they don't because
of college football. Away you go. He might have the
Florida job before he plays in a college football playoff game.

Speaker 16 (01:01:38):
It is one of the ways, and there are many
ways in which college football coaches can be breathtakingly hypocritical,
but As that sport moves in the direction it is,
I absolutely believe that you need to have contracts that
are enforceable. And there's nothing stopping those from happening other

(01:01:59):
than the power that college coaches and their agents or
the one super agent in Jimmy Sexton wield in saying like, no,
it needs to have the flexibility to be able to
get out of it.

Speaker 6 (01:02:12):
And I think that's a pretty unsustainable system. We'll see.
Maybe it continues to function there.

Speaker 16 (01:02:18):
But college coaches wanting to have that flexibility whilst then
trying to tamp down the ability of players to transfer.

Speaker 11 (01:02:28):
And then, oh, by the way, they're also going to
be clamoring.

Speaker 16 (01:02:31):
This SEC fight over whether guys who've been drafted into
the NFL or signed professional contracts should be able to
play is one of the single most.

Speaker 6 (01:02:41):
Hilarious fights ridiculous things.

Speaker 16 (01:02:44):
And the latest news, the fact that the SEC is
going to sue LSU over its attempts to do that
is just, it epitomizes how insane the entire system is.

Speaker 1 (01:02:57):
It is nuts, is it not? Danny O'Neill joining us
for a couple more moments. You wrote a column this week.
I love, I'll always love how you tie things together.
Expired milk and Jason Myers. Well done.

Speaker 4 (01:03:10):
Well done.

Speaker 16 (01:03:12):
I'd feel a little bad because I like Jason Myers.
I do, but I do tend to feel like once
a kicker goes bad, like you can't wait for him
to like fix himself.

Speaker 6 (01:03:22):
You, it has to be like spoiled milk.

Speaker 11 (01:03:24):
You need to toss it.

Speaker 16 (01:03:25):
And as you sit there and I do this sniff
in the milk carton to see like, Oh, is it
still good?

Speaker 11 (01:03:30):
And you're like, ah, it smells kind of sour, but
maybe it's just my mind.

Speaker 2 (01:03:33):
Maybe it'll really be okay.

Speaker 16 (01:03:37):
The longer you spend, sitting there sniffing and trying to
figure it out, the more that's telling you, you should
just toss it and go on your way.

Speaker 1 (01:03:45):
Oh, I'm with you.

Speaker 16 (01:03:47):
That last field goal he missed against, I know it's
the preseason, but God, that wasn't even close.

Speaker 1 (01:03:54):
Wasn't close. So I think I can speak about this.
I know it happens during practice and we're not supposed
to report during, but like one of the, a couple,
at least twice, when we were doing shows out at
the Virginia Mason Athletic Center, and this was like, they
would bring the, the, the, and you know, where we sat,
you know, where you guys used to sit that, that

(01:04:14):
area right next to the wall.

Speaker 7 (01:04:15):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:04:16):
And there was one day I'm sitting there and it
actually happened more than once, but the one day really
stood out. Those were watching, they brought the goalposts right
down to that kind of the Northwest, Northeast corner, I guess,
kind of close to like right between where the two
radio stations are. And, and they were just the three
specialists were there. and Myers was kicking field goals. And

(01:04:38):
no word of a lie, Danny, I think he missed
like 10 straight. I said to Anders down the line,
I'm like, God, he must be working on something. He's
got to be working on something. This has got to
be the golfer on the driving range. It just looks awful,
but there's a reason because you're doing this or that.
And it was just like miss, miss, miss.

Speaker 2 (01:04:59):
Whoa.

Speaker 1 (01:04:59):
Almost one almost hit me. It was missed so bad. Whoa.
Like what's going on here. And then all of a
sudden he goes out in the preseason. He's awful. Like
he wasn't just Kansas city game. It was a couple,
like he missed a few and I'm like, what the
hell's going on here. And so I'm glad you wrote
that because I don't think there's a more fickle thing
in sports than the kicker. And I'm glad you mentioned
it because I know they can say like McDonald can

(01:05:21):
profess his, his confidence in him after the game, but
He goes out there against the Patriots and is like
one for three on field goals or misses a couple.
There's going to be guys in the VMAC on Monday.
They're going to be trying dudes out. Hey, we love
what you did in the playoffs. Super Bowl, that was great.
You're not good enough anymore. It's crazy.

Speaker 6 (01:05:42):
Yeah, it is.

Speaker 16 (01:05:44):
And it's just this exceedingly important position, especially.

Speaker 1 (01:05:47):
In the NFL. Yes, in today's NFL.

Speaker 9 (01:05:49):
It is volatile.

Speaker 6 (01:05:51):
It's one of the spots where.

Speaker 16 (01:05:53):
You can go from being really good to all of
a sudden you kind of just can't get out of
your own way. And then I'm definitely of the belief
that it gets in everybody's head, including the kicker. And
when that happens, I mean, it's I just remember how
much I enjoyed. kyle shanahan's reaction last week all week

(01:06:14):
one yeah when nick moot missed that field goal because
that was a guy they drafted in the third round
they stuck with him the whole.

Speaker 1 (01:06:20):
Year moody yeah jake moody yeah jake yeah jake moody
yeah that was well he yeah oh god he lost
his mind.

Speaker 11 (01:06:29):
And then i'm like a year later i'm wondering if.

Speaker 16 (01:06:32):
It's gonna be the exact same thing maybe i shouldn't
have laughed so hard but I think all signs are
that Jason Myers is going to be the kicker, so
we're all just going to cross our fingers, plug our nose,
and hope the milk is good.

Speaker 1 (01:06:44):
I'm just looking through because, I mean, as great as
Hauschka was, right? Let's see. He missed four his last
year in Seattle. And I think it just came down,
but that was, yeah, it was, yeah, he missed four.
But he still made 89%. Went to Buffalo, had one

(01:07:05):
good year in Buffalo, and then it just dropped off.
He was sub-80% his last two years in Buffalo with
the Bills was Hauschka. And that's not good in today's NFL.
And so, like, right? Like, that's not good.

Speaker 16 (01:07:19):
I remember Pete talking about it, where they're like, the
ball's just coming out so low.

Speaker 6 (01:07:24):
Like, he didn't like how it was. And then there
was that 6-6 tie.

Speaker 1 (01:07:27):
Oh, God. The worst game in the history of man
in Arizona. That was awful. Yes.

Speaker 16 (01:07:32):
And Hauschka had a tough time kicking in Arizona.

Speaker 1 (01:07:35):
He didn't like Arizona.

Speaker 6 (01:07:36):
No, he did not.

Speaker 7 (01:07:38):
No.

Speaker 6 (01:07:38):
But, God, he just hooked that last one.

Speaker 16 (01:07:40):
And I guess afterward, he was talking, and I heard
this secondhand, but he was explaining how something about the footing.
And John Ryan just looked at him and goes, dude,
you didn't even hit the net.

Speaker 1 (01:07:52):
Yeah, it was bad. John Ryan, true speaker. You know
the red flag for Hauschka now that I look at it?
He missed six extra points his last year in Seattle.

Speaker 11 (01:08:03):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (01:08:03):
That was it. Thanks for coming. That's the coal in
the canary mine, man. That is the coal in the canary.
All right, let's go. What do you guys got going?
Tell me about the dang apostrophe.

Speaker 11 (01:08:14):
It is a newsletter that originates out of New York City.

Speaker 16 (01:08:16):
I can guarantee next week I'm writing about the shame
stickers that get affixed to cars. for breaking parking rules.
They've started putting stickers on cars here in New York.
It should be pretty funny. And I've got a sports
analogy to go with it. Go to dannyoneal.com, enter your email,
and I will send you periodic missives from the city
that supposedly never sleeps.

Speaker 1 (01:08:38):
The thing here in Seattle now in our area is
everyone rides around, even if your kids are graduated or infants,
saying they have these stickers on their cars that say,
student driver, please be patient. And I'm like, no, you're
just a bad driver. You're trying to give yourself an
excuse because you're a bad driver. You don't have a
student driver. It's either that or baby on board. Baby

(01:08:58):
on board and you're like seven. years old and you're
not a grandparent. Yeah, like shut up.

Speaker 4 (01:09:02):
Stop it.

Speaker 1 (01:09:03):
Leave me alone.

Speaker 9 (01:09:04):
All right.

Speaker 1 (01:09:04):
Have a great time at the U.S. Open. We'll talk soon.

Speaker 9 (01:09:07):
Sounds great.

Speaker 6 (01:09:08):
Take care of you.

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Speaker 1 (01:10:07):
We're going to do a quick daily power play just
because a couple things I want to hit on. Not
normally something we would do until training camp starts this
time of year. With football going on, we're going to
hit a couple things. One, we mentioned this in the headlines,
Jacob Melanson signed a contract extension. High energy guy, try
hard guy, fourth liner that you just, you want those
kind of guys on your team. And he's going to be,
you know, Greg Cosell talked in the noon hour about

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wanting guys like Jake Bobo on your team. Like there's certain,
you know, those glue guys, however you want to call it.
You want to have those guys on. So Mellie, good
for him. Signed a three-year extension. He'll be here for
a few more years. Gives them a little juice, a
little jam that sometimes they were lacking. So good for him.
The other thing came out today. I just want to
hit on this real quick. Emerald City Spectrum, Josh Frogelund,

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who's the Kraken writer for Corbin's site, Emerald City Spectrum,
had a story with the agent for Shane Wright today.
basically saying he's committed to Seattle, we'll see what happens, blah, blah, blah.
He pointed out again that Kurt Overhart's the agent for
Shane Wright. Remember the story, Anders? The Kraken had promised
to move him this summer and all these things. And

(01:11:11):
I've told you this, I'm going to say it again.
That is 100% not true.

Speaker 9 (01:11:16):
False.

Speaker 1 (01:11:17):
They never said, we promise we are going to trade you.
No GM in any sport would promise that and make
it public for the agent to say that because what happens?
No juice.

Speaker 4 (01:11:31):
No juice.

Speaker 1 (01:11:33):
No leverage. Nothing. And not like Shane had a big
trade market anyway. He hasn't lived up his potential. So
he's here to start the season. He could get traded.
He could get traded. He could get traded. But if
you stop buying the nonsense that he was told that.
Botts never told him that. Just so-called insiders. That's like

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having Ramona Shelbourne as your insider. How did that story
turn out, Ramona?

Speaker 4 (01:12:03):
Not great.

Speaker 1 (01:12:03):
You and ESPN kind of got taken to the cleaners there.
Got taken to the woodshed on that one. Anyway, that's it.
You had a thought on Wright.

Speaker 4 (01:12:13):
Yeah, I mean, it's just.

Speaker 2 (01:12:15):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:12:16):
Frustrating watching him?

Speaker 4 (01:12:17):
Yeah, and all these hockey people, whether it's teams that
are wanting to trade for him, thinking that there's something
there that's untapped, I've never seen it. I'm not going
to lie. And maybe that's me being a very naive,
not a hockey scout or anything like that, but everything
that I've seen, there's just been nothing that stands out

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to me with him. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:12:40):
They need him to pop this year, or they do
need to move him. It's one or the other. Because
it's not healthy all the way around. Maybe he'll take
that step. He's still only 22 years old. I mean,
he's a kid. I've mentioned this before and I'll say
it again. Hey, Eddie Olchek's on the TV right now.
What's up, Edzo? A guy like that, if he doesn't

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take steps forward, then you do move him. Health for him,
healthy for the organization, away you go. That's what you
can do. But I think there's a to me there's
a concern two ways. One is he peaked when he
was in juniors at 16, 17, you know, like he
just peaked at that age. That happens. I mean, if

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anybody who's got a kid or a kid that plays
youth sports, how many of those kids that were like
middle school, freshman year in high school were like the,
the dude, right. Or the girl. Of course. And then,
and as you probably played with and against these types
of kids.

Speaker 4 (01:13:40):
A hundred percent. The guy has a mustache when he's
12 years old.

Speaker 1 (01:13:43):
And then, I mean, I remember hearing the story, I
think it was Hugh told me, about Dylan Morris, the
quarterback for Washington. Dylan Morris had a mustache in ninth
grade at Graham Kapowson or wherever he went to high school.
Never grew, never got bigger. That happens, right? And maybe Shane,
one of those guys that peaked early and that's what
it is. Or maybe he's just still very young and

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there's something there and he's going to pop this year.
And if he does, then How smart did the Kraken
look for not moving along the way? I don't know
what's there, Anders. I don't either. I really don't know.
I don't know either. I'm not going to pretend to
be a scout. I don't see him doing anything exceptional.

Speaker 5 (01:14:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:14:18):
It's not like he is incredibly skilled and just can't
find the shot. It's not like he has just a.

Speaker 1 (01:14:25):
I think he's a pretty good... I think he's got
the potential to be a pretty good playmaker.

Speaker 11 (01:14:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:14:28):
I think he's got the potential. I think he's got
a pretty decent finish when he gets opportunities. Saw that
two years ago.

Speaker 4 (01:14:34):
He doesn't skate around anyone, though, either.

Speaker 1 (01:14:36):
He's a pretty good skater. He's a pretty good skater. Yeah.
But it just hasn't translated. Yeah. We all can agree
it hasn't translated. But good story. Go read Emerald City Spectrum.
I'll just warn you once again, that was never promised
that he was going to get traded. Because if it did,
they broke their promise. And that wouldn't be good either.

Speaker 9 (01:14:51):
Okay?

Speaker 1 (01:14:52):
So that was a promise. Use your head. A little
common sense as well.

Speaker 9 (01:14:56):
4-9-4-5-1.

Speaker 1 (01:14:56):
It's going to be on your text line. Should we
talk some college football?

Speaker 9 (01:15:00):
Let's do it.

Speaker 1 (01:15:01):
I'm listening carefully with my app in hand as Rank
breaks things down for us. Here at the Sokolovic Casino
and Sportsbook next.

Speaker 7 (01:15:12):
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Speaker 1 (01:15:19):
Headlines brought to you by Frost Brewed Coors Light Chews Chill. Anders,
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Speaker 4 (01:15:34):
You'll get it eventually.

Speaker 1 (01:15:36):
It's almost like it was written down for me. It's
almost like it was written down. Maybe I would know
better next time. All right, let's go to it. Here
we go. Mariners lose the first game of the series
to the Athletics yesterday 7-4. That didn't make us happy,
did it? No, not at all. Not at all. They
lose that game, but they get a chance to get

(01:15:57):
back at it tonight. Logan Gilbert's on the mound. I
like their chances with Logan Gilbert on the mound. Do
you like their chances with Logan Gilbert on the mound?

Speaker 4 (01:16:02):
Yeah, about more than usual.

Speaker 1 (01:16:04):
Okay. That's good. I don't like your lack of enthusiasm
for that.

Speaker 4 (01:16:09):
It's just, I can't do it much longer, man.

Speaker 5 (01:16:12):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:16:13):
Let's see. Apple Cup Sunday, 1 o'clock here on 93.3 KDRFM.
Pre-game show starts at 6 a.m. with Softee and the Hawks.
NFL Pro Football Hall of Fame has made sweeping changes
to its selection process. That includes a significant reduction in
the number of selectors and the elimination of the seniors
category being separate. Mike Sando joins us starting his weekly
visits on Monday. He's part of that committee. We'll have

(01:16:35):
him explain what this means coming up Monday at 2 p.m.
on the radio show. Anders, I've got a score update
for me for Major League Baseball.

Speaker 4 (01:16:42):
Hey, there you go.

Speaker 1 (01:16:43):
Detroit and Cleveland are tied at 6 in the top
of the 6. Why is that relevant? Why?

Speaker 4 (01:16:47):
Because I told you not to live bet that.

Speaker 1 (01:16:49):
Even though it was a 4-0 deficit for Cleveland, and
they've been roaring back to tie it at 6-6. So
I'm not happy with you right now.

Speaker 9 (01:16:58):
Don't listen to me.

Speaker 1 (01:16:59):
That's readily apparent. High school football final score last night.
A couple of them. Skyline beat Covington High School, a.k.a. Kentwood.
That's a good day for football. Sorry, Kentwood. And Tahoma
with a big win over Eastlake, the other school up
on top of the plateau there. Attaboy, Zach Myers and
Tahoma Bears. You want your score mentioned?

Speaker 2 (01:17:19):
Well.

Speaker 1 (01:17:20):
Send me a text someday. All right, 49451. Let's get
to it. Rob Rank talking college football right now.

Speaker 7 (01:17:25):
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Speaker 1 (01:17:42):
All right, 2 o'clock hour, Friday afternoon. Well, not the
eve of college football starting. We had college football last night.
We had college football tonight, today. But we are here
at Snoqualmie Casino, Hotel, Sportsbook, Hawks Peak Sports Bar and Grill,
60-plus televisions. You want to be here throughout the weekend.
This is our first official visit with one Rob Rang. Actually,

(01:18:03):
we kind of had one last week, but this is
really our first big one, first big weekend. If you're
new to this show, for the last, what, 15 or
so years, Rob and I convene on a Friday. He
tells us about some of the big college games and
some of the prospects to look for. It's never too
early to talk NFL draft, so we're going to do
that as we do every single year. Big thanks, big
shout-out to our friends at Forelli's, Forelli's Pizza, forellispizza.com. Look

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for a location near you, Forelli's Pizza, forellispizza.com, down in
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know a big, very popular one will be Sumner because
they have a little high school football going on down there.
It was at Sunset Stadium, I think it is. The

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brand new one that opened up in the Claw, Enum Claw,
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Check it out all at Forelli's Pizza. Forellispizza.com. Hello, Rob Rang.
How are you?

Speaker 2 (01:19:00):
I'm doing very well.

Speaker 1 (01:19:01):
Ian, how are you, sir? I'm ready to go. Let's
get some stuff going. We got a lot going on.
Let me start first. We'll just jump ahead to Sunday.
Let's get to the Apple Cup. Washington, Washington State. It's
different on a lot of levels. One of those levels
would be the fact that it's a Sunday. It's September,

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Labor Day weekend. It's not a conference game. etc. We
go through all those things. Let's just talk about some
of the players that we're expecting to see, and I
know UW has far more prospects for the NFL than
Washington State does, so let's start with Washington first, and
then we'll get to a couple guys for Wazoo, and
it sounds like Washington's got some boys up front this year.

Speaker 2 (01:19:45):
They really do, Ian.

Speaker 15 (01:19:47):
As you said, you and I have been working together,
previewing every weekend's college football games for an awful long time.
I've been very fortunate to have had some perspective of
the University of Washington being invited in and seeing how
they practice and operate for several different coaching staffs now.

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And I can tell you this, this is one of
the better offensive lines I've ever seen at the University
of Washington. There's three upperclassmen that I want to make
sure that we talk about. And I say upperclassmen because,
you know, of course, we live in this era now,
you know, where guys with six, seven years of college
eligibility are still playing college ball. And so I, as

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we talk today and in the future episodes this year,
I'm always going to try to mention players as you know,
a fourth-year junior or a fifth-year senior, whatever the case
might be. So that way, you and I and the
Seattle Seahawks and everybody else out there, we have a
feel for if these players might be eligible for this
upcoming year's NFL draft. I want to start off the

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conversation real quick. As far as on the offensive line,
with the left tackle, excuse me, right tackle, Drew as
a party, this is a fifth-year senior.

Speaker 2 (01:21:04):
He's the right tackle. He's 6'7, he's 320 pounds.

Speaker 15 (01:21:08):
And just his physicality is really what stands out about him.
Anytime you're talking about an offensive tackle who's 6'7, Ian,
a lot of times... Those guys are really, really high-waisted,
and that leaves them vulnerable to bull rushers.

Speaker 2 (01:21:23):
They often don't have much lateral agility.

Speaker 15 (01:21:25):
He's got enough agility and enough balance to be able
to remain at the right tackle spot. And if a
team ever wanted to move him inside the guard, he
certainly has the power to push people. So to me,
that is going to be a big part of what
the University of Washington is going to be looking to do,
is just run the football right off of their right side,
I think at the right guard next to him, Garen

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Hatchett is a player that people should also be familiar with.
And Garen Hatchett actually is a local Washington State area product.
He and his brother, Landon Hatchett, the center, who is
unfortunately out for the Apple Cup due to coming back
from a broken right wrist suffered a year ago. But

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when Washington is really rolling and they have those three veterans, again,
Drew has a party at the right tackle position, the
right guard, Guerin, Hatchett, the center, Landon Hatchett. The two
Ferndale natives, being the brothers there in the middle of
four of the Huskies, I really think that they have
as powerful a run-blocking offensive line as I've seen in

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awful long times. I'm really excited to see what the
Huskies might be able to do in terms of just
running the football down opponents' throats.

Speaker 1 (01:22:37):
Yeah, with the Hatchets, as you mentioned, one of them's
out and Garen Hatchett kind of almost I don't know
if he's been beaten out. We'll see what he ends
up doing, but he's a big boy. Hatcher Brothers has
been there for like eight years. They're listed as seventh-year players.
What the hell? How are we doing this? What in
the name of Juan Garcia are we doing there? They're starting,

(01:22:57):
I believe, if I'm not mistaken, isn't it a true freshman?
They're starting a left tackle, Cody Green. as well. But
they are big up front. Washington is on that offensive line.
And I just kind of think back, that team that
went to the National Championship game before losing to Michigan,
that offensive line felt like almost all those guys went
to the NFL, didn't they, Rob?

Speaker 2 (01:23:18):
They did. And that's the thing.

Speaker 15 (01:23:19):
It's been a tradition for Washington to have quality players
drafted into the NFL. Of course, we've seen some guys.
I mean, some first-round selections as Morris Trophy Award winners.
I think Caleb McGarry in.

Speaker 2 (01:23:30):
The right tackle.

Speaker 15 (01:23:31):
And Troy Fautano at the left tackle spot, both of
them wound up having, you know, still having in the
case of Fautano, a quality NFL career. And Caleb McGarry
was a very good player for the Atlanta Falcons for
a long time since he's retired. It's been a strong
tradition at the University of Washington. But again, to me,

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what's exciting about this is it just feels like they
have greater depth. You mentioned some of the young players
who might even be able to jump ahead of some
of these veteran players. I think when it's all said
and done, however, that some of these veteran players, if
they don't start for the University of Washington this year,
like a Garrett Hatchett at right guard, for example, one
of the more powerful run blockers I've seen as far

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as interior offensive linemen so far this year. If they
don't start for the Huskies, that's a testament to the
young talent that they're already developing. And these are players
that are going to get their opportunity, say, in the
East-West Shrine Bowl or a senior role, something like that,
where they're really going to turn some heads and be
a so-called surprise. But I'm telling you right now, it's
no surprise. NFL teams know who these players are, and

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they have a pro future.

Speaker 1 (01:24:37):
It's funny. I'm looking at their depth chart right now,
the one that they released for the game notes this week.
And you started the conversation off by talking about what
year guys are. I guess that's the thing now, right?
We have to get away from saying what we used
to say. He's a redshirt freshman. He's a fifth-year senior.
He's a third-year. a redshirt junior. They're listing these guys
by the year. Fourth, fourth, first, first, second, fourth, fifth.

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That's how they list them. So let me talk about
one of the guys that's a fourth-year player. Jacob Lane
is their edge rusher, number 48 from Puyallup.

Speaker 15 (01:25:09):
Yeah, I'm really excited about Jacob Lane. This guy is 6'4,
260 pounds. As you mentioned, he grew up playing in Puyallup,
specifically Emerald Ridge High School. I mentioned before, with the
two brothers, the Hatchet brothers from Ferndale High School. It
just makes it that much more enjoyable for me as

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the Mount Tahoma teacher and alum that I am. When
you see the local high school prospects, you know, really
playing pro-caliber ball. With Jacob Lane, look, I mean, this
is a young man who's not coming out of nowhere.
I mean, he led the Huskies a year ago in
quarterback pressures, tackles for loss, and sacks. But he only

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had four sacks a season to go in a And frankly,
I think that that number might double this year and
that he is going to become one of the real
breakout stars in the entire country. He has some burst,
some bend, a twist. He really is a really nice
dip and rip move where he gets under the pads
of tackles and is able to turn the corner and

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still maintain speed.

Speaker 2 (01:26:12):
That is a trait that.

Speaker 15 (01:26:14):
We talked about so many times with the Conor O'Toole's
and the Jalen Gaines' edge rushers for the Seahawks who
have the ability to get those quick wins. I think
that Jacob Lane is the guy who is going to
get some of those quick wins this year.

Speaker 2 (01:26:26):
He's going to pad his numbers.

Speaker 15 (01:26:27):
And he's another one that people across the country maybe
haven't even heard of Jacob Lane. But they'll be talking
about him when we get to our NFL draft conversation, say,
in February, March, and April.

Speaker 1 (01:26:39):
All right, Rob Ryan, joining us, brought to you by
Fro's Pizza. Cougs, this is where one of the things
has changed over the years. First of all, great unknown.
We have no idea. We know the running backs or
some veteran guys have been around for a couple years.
Outside of Voorhees, they're all second, first or second year guys.
Tony Freeman's kind of their bigger name as far as
the offense is concerned. He's a slot receiver. I don't

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know if he's an NFL product or not.

Speaker 15 (01:27:02):
Well, he's listed at 5'8 and 174 pounds, and he
might even be smaller than that. So it's obviously very
difficult to make it into the NFL at that height.
He's a slot receiver. He's a return man. He has
dynamic athletic ability. He can make people miss. And for
a smaller... receiver in terms of stature. He certainly plays big.

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I mean, he jumps back into contact to try to
make the catch or get the pass interference flag. And
so I just respect that element of his game. He
might be small, but that's, you know, he's got some.

Speaker 2 (01:27:36):
Fight to him. So he's an intriguing player.

Speaker 15 (01:27:38):
And then of course the quarterback, Caden Pinnock, uh, You know,
the UC Davis transfer, another one who's pretty small, 6'195,
but he is a little thicker than his listed size suggests.

Speaker 2 (01:27:50):
He's got good overall weight distribution.

Speaker 15 (01:27:52):
I would argue that he's got more of an average
arm when it comes to major college football than an
overpowering arm, but it's not a weak arm.

Speaker 2 (01:28:00):
He can make every throw.

Speaker 15 (01:28:02):
He's got some talent to him, and he certainly has
some moxie to him as well. I think that he's
going to be an awful lot of fun for Coug
fans to watch. So I'm excited about the offense that
could be for Washington State this year.

Speaker 1 (01:28:15):
All right, let's move on to some of the other games.
We'll start on Ole Miss and Louisville coming up on Sunday,
I believe that game is. And let's talk about all
the stuff going on in the offseason. Doesn't it feel
like a distant memory that we were talking about? Is
Trinidad Chambliss, the quarterback from Ole Miss, is he eligible
to play? And with everything else that's going on, we'll

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get to LSU and Clemson in a minute. Trinidad Chambliss
is kind of the main show for that game. What
do you see from him?

Speaker 15 (01:28:44):
Well, Trinidad Chambliss is just one of the biggest stories
in all of college football. As you said, Ian, we
kind of started the show talking about these, you know,
fourth-year juniors or fifth-year seniors.

Speaker 2 (01:28:54):
Or whatever the case might be.

Speaker 15 (01:28:55):
You know, this is a guy who's, you know, He's
25 years old. He is entering his sixth season of
college football. His first four seasons, he was actually at
Ferris State, and he was a backup in three of
his first four seasons. Three seasons at Ferris State, and

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then the one season last year, Ole Miss, he was
actually the backup. The anticipated starter for the Rebels got
hurt in week two. Trinidad Chambliss takes over the job
and becomes a superstar. He was a superstar that one
year at Ferris State. He was the backup the one
year that he was a starter. They just went and
won the D2 National Championship.

Speaker 2 (01:29:41):
So, again, this is a.

Speaker 15 (01:29:43):
Guy that when he is on the field, then he
has been undeniably one of the best players on the field.

Speaker 2 (01:29:49):
That's it. Again, he's older. He's 25 years old.

Speaker 1 (01:29:52):
He's smaller.

Speaker 15 (01:29:53):
He's six foot, 210 pounds. There's so many just obvious
knocks on this young man. But when you watch him
on tape, Ian, the maneuverability, the accuracy.

Speaker 2 (01:30:03):
The poise, the clutch play.

Speaker 15 (01:30:05):
You know, I remember a certain guy, Russell Wilson, who
was bandied about as being too small to play on
the big stage. And then whether it be in the
college level, the pro level, for the most part, every
time in the biggest of big moments, he typically stepped up.
And that's one of the things I think with Trinidad Chambliss,
I think that he is one of the biggest storylines.

Speaker 2 (01:30:24):
Of this class.

Speaker 15 (01:30:25):
We know we always talk about the quarterbacks. Everybody's going
to be talking about Oregon's Dante Moore or Texas's Arch Manning.
You're going to hear the same names over and over
and over again. To me, one of the huge storylines
this year, if all these underclassmen quarterbacks do in fact
come out for the NFL draft, then we're going to
see a historic class. Trinidad Chambliss doesn't have the ability

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to come back to school anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:30:47):
This is it for him.

Speaker 15 (01:30:48):
And I think that he is a guy that certainly
deserves to be in that day two conversation just based
on what he's already demonstrated. But I think he's got
a chance to actually sneak into the later portion of
of the first round. And so to me, he is
the player of all the players.

Speaker 2 (01:31:03):
And all of college football. There's almost like a must.

Speaker 15 (01:31:06):
Watch because you have to be evaluating him just because again,
his game does translate to the NFL and he's a
polarizing player just because of the size and age.

Speaker 1 (01:31:15):
What about Q1? While Lacey, they're running back.

Speaker 15 (01:31:18):
Dynamic player, also a little bit undersized, but my goodness,
he's a player who led the country in, or led
the SEC in rushing touchdowns and in rushing attempts. And
that was one of the things that really surprised me
is that anytime we're talking about a back who is 185,
190 pounds, then the question is going to be, okay,
he's dynamic, but can he be a bell cow? I mean,

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is this a guy who is more of a George Helani?
You'd like to see him play. eight to ten uh
you know get eight to ten touches in a game
or is this a devon hn uh for the miami
dolphins who is now you know one of the highest
paid backs in all the nfl just because of his
explosiveness while he's undersized he's still a true bell cow

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back i think that kiwan lacy can be that bell
cow back and he proved it last year by leading
the scc in touches he didn't have any injuries throughout
the entire season if he can do it again this
year ian I don't know that there's a running back
in this entire draft class who can match him in
terms of big play ability. And again, if he can
prove that he can remain durable in terms of.

Speaker 2 (01:32:23):
Toughness as well.

Speaker 1 (01:32:24):
Who's got the running back advantage in that game? Louisville
with Isaac Brown or Ole Miss with Lacey?

Speaker 2 (01:32:31):
Oh, I still think it's Lacey.

Speaker 15 (01:32:32):
And I just think that, again, it's not just in
terms of their individual talent. I think it's in terms
of their fit with the offense and the fact that
he has Trinidad Chambliss next to him who's Again, not
only a dynamic quarterback as far as passing, but a
dynamic runner as well.

Speaker 2 (01:32:48):
Louisville is loaded.

Speaker 15 (01:32:49):
I mean, they've got, I believe they have like 16
players who are on the East-West Shrine Bulls top 1,000 list.
So again, this is a list that is compiled by
one of the preeminent all-star games in all of college football.
Their staff, led by Eric Galko, is one of the

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best in terms of it's full of former NFL scouts
who are putting together this list. And again, for Louisville
to have that number of players, they are talented. They're
going to test Ole Miss. But I just think between
Lacey and Chambliss, the quarterback position, Ole Miss's skilled position
talent is just too much.

Speaker 1 (01:33:28):
Good to know as I sit here at Snoqualmie Casino. Okay,
biggest game of the weekend, Rob, LSU-Clemson. God, it's big
for a lot of reasons. It's big because it's LSU-Clemson,
4.30 Saturday on ESPN. It's also big because of all
the stuff going on with Lane Kiffin and LSU and
bringing guys back from the NFL and Dabo Sweeney from Clemson.

(01:33:48):
He's got a little bit of pressure down there and
also him being critical of said things, bringing back guys
from the NFL. But who are you watching? I heard
there's an edge rusher to keep an eye on this game.

Speaker 15 (01:34:00):
Ian, with Clemson and LSU, again, I mentioned that East-West
Shrine Bowl numbers. And look, just to put this in perspective,
University of Washington has 10 players on that East-West Shrine Bowl.
Washington State has three players on that East-West Shrine Bowl.
They're top 1,000 prospects. LSU has 21. The only team
that has more than that is the reigning champions, defending

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champion Indiana Hoosiers.

Speaker 2 (01:34:26):
We have 22. So LSU is just absolutely low. And
say what you will about Lane Kiffin.

Speaker 15 (01:34:33):
He certainly has made himself into a bit of a
villain from a lot of people's perspectives. The man can
flat recruit and coach, especially offensive football. So I think
for LSU, what we've got to focus in on is
the quarterback, Sam.

Speaker 2 (01:34:47):
Levitt, previously at Arizona State.

Speaker 15 (01:34:51):
I think that he's going to put up eye-popping numbers
in Lane Kiffin's offense. I mentioned 21 players on that
East-West Shrine list. Four of them are wide receivers. None
of them were at LSU originally. They were all transfers in.
The guy I want to talk about is a tight
end who actually is born and raised, so to speak, LSU,

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and that's Tredez Green. and this guy is six foot seven.
He's 237 pounds. He looks like a power forward out
there playing. Uh, he doesn't have the, the, the production
to this point where you'd be like, Oh my goodness,
this guy's a.

Speaker 2 (01:35:25):
First round pick.

Speaker 15 (01:35:26):
But I am telling you that this guy's athletic traits
are dynamic.

Speaker 2 (01:35:30):
He is going to be a first round pick. He,
he is just fantastic.

Speaker 15 (01:35:34):
I mean, it, everything that the Seahawks are excited about
with their young tight end, Elijah Arroyo, former wide receiver,
kind of making that tight end move. That's exactly what
you get with traded as green, except green is even
more athletic. I just think that, uh, again, they are
going to be as high powered of offenses as you're
going to see in all of college football.

Speaker 2 (01:35:52):
So they're worth the.

Speaker 15 (01:35:53):
Price of admission just to watch the young NFL talent
growing up around them. And then you mentioned the pass rushers, uh,
at Clemson will help is the player that I think
we should be talking about.

Speaker 2 (01:36:04):
Look, we, We do this show, of course.

Speaker 15 (01:36:06):
And so many of our listeners and followers, and thank
you to all of them, they listen because they want
to know what.

Speaker 2 (01:36:13):
The Seahawks might be thinking.

Speaker 15 (01:36:14):
It's clear. Seattle needs to get themselves young defensive ends,
young edge rushers for the future just because of the
fact that they have some guys, like Demarcus Lawrence, who
turned to us, who are kind of towards the back
end of their respective careers, will help to me. is
a guy I think that is going to check the
box for John Schneider. He's going to check the box

(01:36:35):
for Mike McGaughan.

Speaker 2 (01:36:36):
He's 6'6. He's 260 pounds.

Speaker 15 (01:36:38):
A lot of Seahawks fans out there are kind of,
you know, hoping the Seahawks are going to pull off
some miraculous trade at some point for a Max Crosby.
Why trade for a Max Crosby when you can get
a younger version of him? And that's exactly why I
think with Will Held. Again, 6'6, 260 pounds. Last year,
this time, we were talking about guys like Peter Woods,
who wound up being a first-round pick.

Speaker 2 (01:36:59):
T.J.

Speaker 15 (01:36:59):
Parker wound up being a an early second-round pick to
the Miami Dolphins. One of the reasons why they didn't
go as high as maybe people were thinking originally is
because Will Helt, number 13, was the best defensive player
for Clemson last year. I think that he is another
one who was good last year and could be even
better this year.

Speaker 2 (01:37:19):
But, of course, he's got to prove it.

Speaker 15 (01:37:20):
Everybody is going to be focusing in on number 13
after focusing on the two NFL prospects, Woods and Parker,
a year ago.

Speaker 1 (01:37:28):
Rob Rang brought to you by Farrelly's Pizza. Farrelly'sPizza.com. Find
that location in the south sound near you. Great late
and early happy hours. You can check them both out there. Rob,
I heard you, Corbin, I'm a man. Turbo, have a
new thing going on. Tell me about it real quick.

Speaker 15 (01:37:43):
Yeah, we got the triple option, which is an all-new podcast.
It's going to be housed at Emerald City Spectrum and
on KGR's website as well. And we're really excited about it.
I mean, the reality is that there are a lot of–
There's a lot of quality Seahawks analysis available. What we
think is that we've got something pretty unique here. We're

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going to have the perspective of a former player, of course,
and Robert Turbin, the Super Bowl champion. We have the
perspective of Corbin Smith, our buddy, who's at the Virginia
Mason Athletic Center and goes.

Speaker 2 (01:38:18):
To every game.

Speaker 15 (01:38:19):
So he's got the beat writer perspective. And, of course,
my perspective as a scout for the BC Lions and
NFL draft analysts for, for Fox sports and for your
own fine program as.

Speaker 2 (01:38:30):
Well, sir.

Speaker 15 (01:38:30):
So we're excited about our, our opening show is tonight, 7. P.M.

Speaker 2 (01:38:35):
Pacific.

Speaker 15 (01:38:36):
You can check on Twitter. There'll be probably 45 tweets
from Corbin in the next hour or so. So, so
I'm sure that there'll be plenty of opportunity to, to
see Corbin, whether it be Thursday's show, Friday's show, or
anything in the future, please feel free to check it
out and give us a like on Facebook or.

Speaker 2 (01:38:56):
Twitter or YouTube or anything else.

Speaker 15 (01:38:58):
But I can promise you, we will be breaking down
the Seahawks from different perspectives than anybody else available.

Speaker 1 (01:39:03):
I love it. We're going to be talking more and
more about this show with Corbin every week, with you
every week, and great to have Turbo on. Really excited
that us here at iHeart involved as well, which is
even better. So much more to come on that. In
the meantime, my friend, thank you so much. We will
check in with you next week. And crazy to think
when we check in with you next week, we'll be
week two of the college football season. Crazy enough. Crazy stuff.

(01:39:25):
We'll talk to you then, man. Have a great show tonight.
Thank you, sir.

Speaker 2 (01:39:29):
Thank you, Ian.

Speaker 1 (01:39:30):
That is our guy. Man, Rob Rang, love these Friday conversations.
We'll put a wrap on our week's shows. Get ready
for the weekend when we come back to Snoqualmie Casino
and Hotel, 93.3 KDRFM.

Speaker 7 (01:39:45):
Snoqualmie Casino and Hotel on Sports Radio 93.3 KJRFM.

Speaker 12 (01:40:02):
Mayor of maple valley calling in on his own show
just wanted to speak one more time to the fans
of our local baseball team and point out that the
mariners are there they can still win their division they
don't wait for it play anybody with a winning record

(01:40:25):
the rest of the way so win tonight or tomorrow
against the a's and you're there.

Speaker 1 (01:40:33):
All right, like this is getting out of control. How
many impersonators do we need? A lot.

Speaker 4 (01:40:41):
Give me more.

Speaker 1 (01:40:43):
Keep going.

Speaker 5 (01:40:46):
Ancient Mariner here. Very seldom do I ever agree with
the analytical Anders because I disagree with him about analytics.

Speaker 1 (01:40:54):
But that's another story. Ian, give it up.

Speaker 5 (01:40:58):
There is nothing redeemable about the 2026 Seattle Mariners.

Speaker 1 (01:41:03):
Let it go.

Speaker 5 (01:41:04):
Let them lose. Let them go to the dog pile.
Hopefully we'll get a new president, GM, and manager.

Speaker 1 (01:41:15):
Anders the analytics. Analytics Anders. I like that.

Speaker 4 (01:41:17):
Analytical Anders, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:41:19):
Analytical Anders. Ancient Mariner, there's no doubt in my mind
that Ancient Mariner has no room, no headspace.

Speaker 9 (01:41:26):
For analytics.

Speaker 1 (01:41:27):
No bandwidth at all for analytics.

Speaker 4 (01:41:30):
That makes sense.

Speaker 9 (01:41:31):
You know what?

Speaker 1 (01:41:31):
That's fair. That's fair. He's slumming down at some dive
bar in Ballard right now. Like, I'll tell you what, man.
Back in my day, Rupert Jones, best center fielder ever.
Mike Cameron sucks. I don't know that.

Speaker 9 (01:41:42):
Julio, whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:41:43):
Yeah. All right. One more. Next one.

Speaker 8 (01:41:48):
Hey, Dan Wilson here. Tough one tonight, you know, you know.
Real tough game, you know. We fought hard, thought the
guys fought back, you know, really, really tried hard, you know,
you know. They did listen, and we played Bazzardo for
the 85th game in a row, you know, you know.
Tough one night for Bazzardo, you know. I think he
looked good, and I got kicked out of the game,
you know, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:42:04):
But it was tough.

Speaker 8 (01:42:05):
Ended up in Jerry's office, JD, I call him, and
gave him a nice back rub. We watched the game
together and talked about the analytics for next game, you know,
you know, you know, you know, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:42:13):
So hopefully it's not a tough game. Hopefully it'll be
a good one tonight, you know, you know. Oh, very good.
Well done. Well done. I'm going to just read one text. Ian,
those student driver stickers are an epidemic that works swing shift.
And saw three of them after 11 o'clock last night.
Didn't know so many student drivers were out that late. Exactly.

Speaker 4 (01:42:31):
You would think, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:42:32):
The dumbest sticker in the world. Just put your head
through a wall if you want to put that. Just
put your head through a wall next time. You know,
or give your head a shake.

Speaker 4 (01:42:40):
Give your head a shake. That's another Ian Furnessism.

Speaker 1 (01:42:45):
I want to do something here real quick. I forgot
about this. I was going to do it earlier, and
we just were jammed. It's weird. A Friday football show,
and we're just jammed, right? Yep. But this coming Monday,
at this particular time, you know what it is, Anders?
Fact or fiction? Oh, yes. You of all people should know.

Speaker 9 (01:43:05):
I do.

Speaker 4 (01:43:05):
It's your favorite thing of the year. I had to
get my head a-shaking to make sure.

Speaker 11 (01:43:08):
All right.

Speaker 1 (01:43:09):
You're in charge of it again, right?

Speaker 4 (01:43:10):
Yes.

Speaker 9 (01:43:11):
Yes, I am.

Speaker 1 (01:43:12):
Let's get that spreadsheet going. Let's go. Coming up on Monday,
it's our first Factor Fiction Day. I know Softie does
it at 3.35. We do it at 2.35. I don't
know when the other shows do it.

Speaker 4 (01:43:25):
Same time, 7.35, 11.35, 2.35.

Speaker 7 (01:43:25):
7.35, 11.35, 2.35, 3.35.

Speaker 4 (01:43:25):
So what you do is we'll give you a game.

Speaker 1 (01:43:28):
If you agree, you'll text FACT to 49451. If you disagree,
you'll text FICTION to 49451. You get a point for
every correct answer.

Speaker 4 (01:43:45):
The winner who has the most correct points at the
end of the season, it's a 14-week contest, will win
a grand prize of $ 10, 000. $ 10, 000 weekly prize? Yes, and
our weekly prize, so every point that you score is
put into a hat, so to speak, a metaphorical hat,
and we pick out a random one, so the more
points you get in a week, the more chances you

(01:44:05):
have to win, but you just need one, and you
can win $ 1, 000 every single week.

Speaker 1 (01:44:10):
Some people think on our radio station it's about who
has the most wins and losses.

Speaker 6 (01:44:15):
It's not.

Speaker 1 (01:44:18):
It's about who has the most people texting in on
their show. And, Anders, can you confirm who has, on average,
the most people, the most listeners participating?

Speaker 4 (01:44:29):
I will confirm that for the past three seasons, the
Ian Furness Show has been the highest number the greatest attendance,
if you will, most people playing. We lead the league
in attendance on our show. And or participation, however you
want to look at it.

Speaker 1 (01:44:45):
Exactly. Now, I'm not worried about wins and losses. I
just want to make sure you, the listeners, are being
serviced correctly. How selfless of you. That's what I am.
I'm a selfless individual. I want to make sure you
guys are getting taken care of. It also tells me
a lot about our listeners. Yeah. This is the This

(01:45:05):
apparently is where all gamblers go. We know our demographic.
And if you guys could have heard us in the break, Anderson,
he just bullied me into making a Mariner.

Speaker 4 (01:45:18):
Bullied you? I literally just nudged you in a direction.

Speaker 1 (01:45:22):
And I did it.

Speaker 4 (01:45:23):
And you did it.

Speaker 1 (01:45:25):
We only do football, but this would be an example
of fact or fiction. We'll see if we can get
some text. Ready?

Speaker 3 (01:45:30):
Ready?

Speaker 1 (01:45:31):
Yeah. Logan Gilbert on the mound. I just went with
the runs. Mariners, minus one and a half. They've got
to win by two or more. Fact, 49451.

Speaker 4 (01:45:45):
Fact, if you agree. Fiction, if you disagree.

Speaker 1 (01:45:47):
Fiction, if you disagree.

Speaker 4 (01:45:48):
It's a practice round, guys. Just so you guys know.
It's a practice round.

Speaker 1 (01:45:51):
Practice round.

Speaker 12 (01:45:53):
49451.

Speaker 1 (01:45:53):
Mariners, minus one and a half.

Speaker 4 (01:45:54):
Don't text back that you're not getting a bounce back
either because we haven't started yet. This is a practice round.

Speaker 1 (01:45:59):
This is a practice. We're doing a practice here. Mariners,
minus one and a half. Fact, 49451. If you disagree, Fiction49451.
Text it right now. We'll see how many people figure
it out and agree. I went fact, by the way.
I went Mariners minus one and a half. Anders bullied
me into that pick. Yes, I did. Uh, facts so far.
We'll go and see. People will believe. All you guys

(01:46:21):
say you don't believe in the Mariners, everyone's believing right now.

Speaker 4 (01:46:23):
I've been saying facts.

Speaker 1 (01:46:24):
Weird.

Speaker 4 (01:46:24):
I'd do fiction. I have zero faith.

Speaker 1 (01:46:26):
In this game. You are a hater, sir.

Speaker 3 (01:46:28):
I am.

Speaker 1 (01:46:29):
You are a.

Speaker 4 (01:46:29):
I mean, as someone who has to do a postcast
after every single one of these godforsaken things every night,
it's getting really frustrating.

Speaker 1 (01:46:36):
Is it? It's getting hard for you.

Speaker 12 (01:46:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:46:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:46:39):
Oh, there's a fiction. First fiction just came in.

Speaker 5 (01:46:41):
Yeah!

Speaker 1 (01:46:42):
Let's go. First fiction just came in. Mariners minus one
and a half. Fact, 49451. If you disagree, fiction, 49451.
I mean, you can still think they're going to win.
You're just not going to win by two. They're going
to win only by one round.

Speaker 4 (01:46:53):
Exactly. So even more reason to go fiction.

Speaker 1 (01:46:56):
God, now they're all going to... This is the gambling
show of records.

Speaker 9 (01:46:59):
This is.

Speaker 4 (01:47:00):
The degenerate show of records.

Speaker 16 (01:47:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:47:03):
Ian is a Mariners apologist. Fact. It's true.

Speaker 4 (01:47:05):
He is, guys. He's still on the bandwagon. I can't
get him off of it.

Speaker 1 (01:47:10):
Hey, Martinez, Kmart, are you listening to that? All the
grief you give me about being negative and mean to
your baseball team, and people are calling me the Mariners apologist. Huh?

Speaker 8 (01:47:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:47:20):
My, how things have changed over the years. My, how things. Oh,
now all the fictions are coming. Fiction with a bullet.
Love it.

Speaker 3 (01:47:29):
Love it.

Speaker 1 (01:47:30):
Oh, by the way, did I hear Funson texting starting
time is noon? Yes, it is. Ryan and Scottsdale. Because
the show starts at noon now. I don't know if
you guys know that. They switched it. No one told
me or Anders or anybody else. One day we showed
up to do a show at 1 and there was
like an hour of dead space. They said, no, you're
supposed to be here at noon. Oh, I remember what happened. Okay,
so we'll start now. Okay, a lot of fictions. Yeah,

(01:47:54):
there it is.

Speaker 4 (01:47:54):
There's the just terrible Mariner fandom that I know. M's suck.

Speaker 1 (01:47:59):
Then, there it is. Portland Sucks is thrown in there
as well.

Speaker 4 (01:48:02):
Love it. Sorry, I didn't mean terrible Mariner fandom. Fandom
of the terrible Mariners.

Speaker 1 (01:48:07):
I should say. They literally lose more. Guys, Logan Gilbert's
pitching tonight. That's why they're gonna win this thing they're
gonna go away all right just trust me they're all
fictions now like you guys were taking it serious all
texted early now we got like 100 fictions in a
row okay yep yep.

Speaker 4 (01:48:24):
Whatever we also have all the numbers on what percentage
east each host gets agreed on and sometimes when it's
in like the low like 30 that's like yikes everyone
disagrees with your pick That's what this one would be.

Speaker 1 (01:48:38):
Yeah, this would be, this would be, this would be,
you know, bet it now, thank me later type of
guy in terms of people disagreeing. That's what that would be.
Okie dokie. You guys are being that person. Okay. By
the way, what I would urge you guys to do
is just every five minutes, text fact or fiction, just
one word for the next two hours.

Speaker 4 (01:48:57):
Do it.

Speaker 1 (01:48:57):
That'll make Jackson's life really fun.

Speaker 4 (01:48:59):
And Softie will love it.

Speaker 1 (01:49:02):
Softie joins us next. Your text message screen up on
your computer. Is he there? Talking to me. Do you

(01:49:24):
have your text message machine up?

Speaker 9 (01:49:26):
Text messages?

Speaker 15 (01:49:27):
No.

Speaker 3 (01:49:28):
I'm not allowed to look at text. I've been told
by Jackson Phelps.

Speaker 6 (01:49:33):
Really?

Speaker 4 (01:49:34):
Jackson's actually confirming that report.

Speaker 1 (01:49:36):
Is he? Wow. You're not allowed to look at text.
Why can't you look at text? I don't know, man.
I just do what I'm told.

Speaker 4 (01:49:43):
Jackson says he wants it to be a surprise.

Speaker 9 (01:49:44):
Jackson's like my wife. I'm afraid of him. I just
do what I'm told, man.

Speaker 1 (01:49:48):
All I see is fiction right now, Anders, by the way.

Speaker 9 (01:49:50):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:49:53):
It's our first, you know, we did a little, I
know you love preseason football.

Speaker 4 (01:49:57):
Preseason football, baby.

Speaker 1 (01:49:58):
We did a little factor fiction preseason. We did preseason
factor fiction. Ready?

Speaker 4 (01:50:02):
All right.

Speaker 1 (01:50:03):
Mariners minus one and a half. Fact.

Speaker 9 (01:50:05):
Tonight, fact. They're going to win tonight.

Speaker 1 (01:50:07):
Fiction. There you go.

Speaker 9 (01:50:08):
Gilbert will shove tonight.

Speaker 4 (01:50:10):
That's my– Yeah, but the offense will get two hits. Strikeout.

Speaker 9 (01:50:13):
They're going to shove.

Speaker 1 (01:50:14):
Anders bullied me into making that bet here at Snoqualmie Casino.

Speaker 9 (01:50:17):
Good for you. There you go.

Speaker 1 (01:50:19):
So I went with it, but people were making me
feel bad about it.

Speaker 3 (01:50:21):
Well, I got suckered into taking the M's plus 500
to win the West about four days ago.

Speaker 1 (01:50:25):
Wow. What do you think it is now here? Let
me see.

Speaker 9 (01:50:28):
Plus one million.

Speaker 11 (01:50:29):
Let me see.

Speaker 1 (01:50:30):
What'd you say, plus 1 million?

Speaker 3 (01:50:32):
It was plus 180 a week ago. Why does it
feel like last night was a huge fatal blow for
these guys?

Speaker 1 (01:50:38):
It didn't feel good. I thought, well, because I think
people are going into this thinking, well, they'll win four
straight against the A's.

Speaker 9 (01:50:45):
Right?

Speaker 1 (01:50:45):
Or at least three of four. Well, you could still
win three or four, but it seems a lot more unlikely,
does it not?

Speaker 9 (01:50:50):
Well, they're going to wake up at some point in time,
I think. I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:50:54):
I mean, just running the numbers. So Astros have 21 left.
We have 21 left. Let's just say for giggles they
go 11 and 10 the rest of the way. M's
have to go 17 and 4 in their final 21
to catch up.

Speaker 1 (01:51:06):
Wow. We were doing some math earlier, and it just
does not look promising. But there's still a chance, David.

Speaker 3 (01:51:13):
I don't like having to do math, by the way,
at all.

Speaker 1 (01:51:15):
No, I know.

Speaker 4 (01:51:15):
We did it off the air. 15-6 to go 500,
by the way.

Speaker 1 (01:51:19):
Yeah, 15-6, and you've got to hope they go 9-12.

Speaker 9 (01:51:22):
If they win the division, they're going to win it
under 500.

Speaker 4 (01:51:24):
You think so?

Speaker 9 (01:51:26):
I'm saying the Mariners, if they do win it. If
they win the division under 500?

Speaker 4 (01:51:29):
You think their only chance to win the division is
if the Astros basically poop themselves the rest.

Speaker 1 (01:51:33):
Of the way?

Speaker 9 (01:51:33):
I think they'll be 80-82 if they win the West.

Speaker 1 (01:51:35):
So the Astros then would have to go 7-14. Correct. Correct.
Why does that seem really unlikely?

Speaker 3 (01:51:46):
Look, right now I just don't feel good about any
of it, all right? I don't feel good about any
of it.

Speaker 1 (01:51:50):
I've got a source out there.

Speaker 9 (01:51:52):
You've got no sources?

Speaker 1 (01:51:53):
I have a source. I don't know where you were
at earlier today, but I have a source earlier today, quote,
Softie is screaming at somebody right now on the phone.
Who are you yelling at? What did Jackson do?

Speaker 9 (01:52:07):
I don't know. I was screaming at nobody.

Speaker 1 (01:52:08):
I have no idea.

Speaker 4 (01:52:09):
Maybe it's whispering for Softie in his eyes.

Speaker 1 (01:52:12):
You know what? It might just be you talking in
a normal voice.

Speaker 3 (01:52:14):
Is your source happen to be an ex-Cougar offensive lineman?

Speaker 1 (01:52:20):
Softie yelling at someone right now in a parking lot.
Maybe on the phone. I said, oh, cool. Is that
an ex-Cougar that sent you that text? I'm just telling,
I don't, listen. Much like Ramona Shelburne and Ian... Much
like Ramona Shelbourne and ESPN and their great reporting, I
do not reveal my sources.

Speaker 9 (01:52:38):
You can't go anywhere, man. There's no privacy anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:52:41):
I'm just going to point out, you're a big deal.
You've got to behave yourself. All right? Can you just
behave yourself? You know what?

Speaker 9 (01:52:47):
Listen, I may be a big deal, and I agree
with that. I'm a big deal.

Speaker 1 (01:52:51):
You are a big deal.

Speaker 9 (01:52:52):
But I'm also a person, man. All right?

Speaker 1 (01:52:53):
I have emotions.

Speaker 9 (01:52:57):
I have emotions.

Speaker 1 (01:52:58):
I get angry.

Speaker 9 (01:52:59):
I get mad. Just like other people get mad.

Speaker 1 (01:53:03):
Oh, God.

Speaker 9 (01:53:04):
Jeez.

Speaker 1 (01:53:06):
I'm a real person, too, man. I may be a
big deal. I'm now the sideline reporter for Husky Football.

Speaker 9 (01:53:11):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:53:12):
But I have emotions, too, and sometimes I get upset.
I get upset.

Speaker 9 (01:53:17):
People are coming up to me like, hey, this is
so great. Congratulations. It's like, did I win the lottery
or something?

Speaker 1 (01:53:22):
I mean, am I missing something here? Listen, listen. I
need you just to be careful. What's the big deal?
We need you around for a while. We don't need
you having a medical emergency because you're mad at somebody,
whether it be Billy Knotts or whoever it is. I'll
tell you this. It was not Billy.

Speaker 9 (01:53:38):
It was not Billy?

Speaker 3 (01:53:39):
Okay, gotcha. Then what other ex-Cougar bum texted you?

Speaker 1 (01:53:44):
Let's see.

Speaker 9 (01:53:44):
I'm going to go over the list of Cougar bums
that I know. I'll be texting you on the side
to figure out which one it was. I just know this, Anders.
I know this. Those Cougar bums that I'm talking about?

Speaker 3 (01:53:55):
None of them are going to the game on Sunday.

Speaker 15 (01:53:58):
None.

Speaker 1 (01:53:58):
They don't like your stadium. Are going. They don't like it.

Speaker 4 (01:54:01):
The greatest setting in college football?

Speaker 9 (01:54:03):
Unbelievable, man.

Speaker 1 (01:54:04):
I think that's a very subjective thing.

Speaker 9 (01:54:05):
You guys are just tapping out right and left.

Speaker 1 (01:54:08):
Yeah, we'll see. We'll see.

Speaker 12 (01:54:11):
All right.

Speaker 3 (01:54:12):
Well, speaking of Cougs, ex-Cougs, Pat Jones on the show today.
In like five minutes.

Speaker 1 (01:54:19):
Did my connection just fall off, Anders? I think it
might have. And then Chris Peterson is going to join us.

Speaker 4 (01:54:23):
Yeah, you're purposely being late for that?

Speaker 7 (01:54:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:54:24):
He'll be with us tonight. We mill it tonight.

Speaker 1 (01:54:27):
Maybe I'll do a filibuster here. If I do a
filibuster here, do you have to cancel that first segment?

Speaker 9 (01:54:31):
No, we got to go. We got to go.

Speaker 1 (01:54:33):
All right.

Speaker 9 (01:54:34):
See you.

Speaker 1 (01:54:34):
Hey, good luck in your new job this weekend.

Speaker 9 (01:54:36):
See you. Thanks, pal.

Speaker 3 (01:54:37):
For the mild-mannered and marginally objectionable Ian Furness, this is
Paddle Day saying so long, everyone.

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