Furness Show 9-9: Hugh Millen, Molly Whop Monday, Mike Sando.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome into the show. On a Monday, we are underway.
Our Monday Show are brought to you by Frost Brewed
Coors Light as well, just like our headlines. If you're
a Seahawk fan, you probably needed a handful of Corps lights.
They're watching that first half great example, is a great
example of how coaching can help not to judge a
book by its cover in the first thirty minutes of

(00:20):
a football game. Because in the first rowd, in the
first eight minutes of the football game, that was absolutely
to call it atrocious is wrong. It was embarrassing what
that offensive line and that offense looked like. And then boom,
thanks for coming flip the switch got things going. Defense

(00:40):
held them in there. Defense had i would say, its
own little blip at that last Denver drive, like not
a lot of resistance there. Yeah, but Tyler Lockett comes through,
makes the catch and they are one to zero. And
that's all. This is not college football. It does not matter,
nothing matters outside of the final result. Rams look great
yesterday they lost the game too bad.

Speaker 2 (01:03):
And I was delighted.

Speaker 1 (01:06):
And the Lions didn't look great, looked, I mean, they
ever won. Like the last couple drives until the last couple.
But the Lions, Everyone's like, man, they are something else.
They are just gonna run through the NFC and this
and this and this, and the Lions looked like they
their great offensive line looked okay, But man, golf was
under duress. And I'm like, I kept looking out there,

(01:27):
where's ninety nine? He must be playing? Where's it has
to be right, There's got to be an air Donald's sutting. No, no,
just a bunch of other dudes that were just coming
out of in waves. But the end result was the
Lions one. So the Rams lose, the Cardinals lose. They
looked like they were gonna win that game, and then
the Seahawks get to win forty nine Ers play to night,

(01:48):
probably will win. God, what a horrible Monday night game
in terms of rooting interest. Great Monday night game, fantasy implication.
And we have the game for you right here in
KJR do five poin fifteen or so.

Speaker 3 (02:00):
You're not gonna wit for the Niners, are you?

Speaker 1 (02:03):
No? I But here's the problem. There may be our
show brought to you bysnon call me Casino. I see.
There may be the end of the back end of
a parlay that needs. So the worst thing that could
happen is if they don't cover and they win. If
they if they're going to win, just at least cover,
I kind of it's the old softy thing, you know,

(02:23):
you kind of cover your basis there a little bit.
Unless again, they win by like a point or two.
I think it's a four and a half point spread. Yeah, yeah,
that won't be good. But outside listen, I can't root
for Aaron Rodgers either, Like I don't know what I
guess I could root for the tie, but that's no
good either, because I'm.

Speaker 4 (02:38):
A Jets fan and I'm rooting against them tonight, mostly because.

Speaker 1 (02:44):
And I don't like Aaron Rodgers. I don't like him
for for a lot of people, he's really one of
the most unlikable players in the NFL. So that's a
But that what a great matchup end of the week.
I mean, people have high expectations for the Jets. Cowboys
look like a juggernaut. I mean they just rolled through there,
even when they lost their their elite tied end to
an injury. I mean it was and we'll get to
all the bigger pitcher NFL stuff. Sandal's going to join

(03:06):
us his pick six column is up. We'll talk about
head coaching debuts. New England doesn't look like a pushover
next week, and we all kind of thought that would be,
you know, a fairly easy, you know, time for the
Seattle Seahawks kind of thought that same thing about the Broncos,
and the Broncos just came out and we're the better
team for a while before. Let me see, I've just
got more playmakers and bon Nicks can't throw the football, like,

(03:26):
let's just be honest, you just can't throw the football
at all. What a twelfth overall pick man? I mean,
he just can't. I can't throw the football, like, not
at an NFL level. I don't think last Q about that.
But he was gonna join us, hardcore football. Til's a
big thing with you. I want to get to really
curious because we've talked about this and you hear the
cliche and sports all the time, halftime adjustments, right, yes,

(03:48):
but boy, there was something that changed, like on the
offensive side of the football, and what was that. Well,
there's one guy to talk about that with. It's Hugh Millen.
Hardcore football will do that at twelve twenty three. Don't
forget we've got Factor Fiction two thirty five or two
of that. Do we have a winner for last week?

Speaker 3 (04:02):
We called him no or them? I should say no answer.
We will try, Yeah, we'll try.

Speaker 1 (04:08):
Love to be able to us or Softy announced that
one of the two shows.

Speaker 5 (04:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (04:11):
So if you do have a message from an old
two six number, which is myself, be sure to give
me a call back.

Speaker 1 (04:16):
Yeah, because you want a thousand bucks you do like
if you see and does it still say like iHeartMedia
when it comes is my cell phone? Oh, it's your
cell phone?

Speaker 4 (04:23):
Yeah, I know that is the sacrifice. I know is
extremely difficult to give. It is your own personal number.
So I will try that number from a studio in
a little bit.

Speaker 1 (04:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (04:34):
And also apparently we're having a bug with uh the bouncebacks.
At the moment, I saw that old shows are being
listed on there. I'm looking at it. Everything looks good
from my end, So there's something going on there.

Speaker 1 (04:47):
So uh, yeah, I think Kevin Shockey, the Bronco fan,
he probably jumped into the system and screwed us so
bitter about the world of Bonix quarterbacking that he's probably
trying to do some something to you. Yeah. So it's
great weekend all the way around. We went off the air.
I mentioned this to Greg went off the here on
Thursday from the Snowclumby Casino and then a couple I

(05:09):
mean it was on my way home and I left.
We both left pretty early. Right afterwards. I'd already using
the the app at snow Calomby Casino on my phone,
already have my little weekend done, and uh the phone
with the sportsbook, got the car head home in somewhere
between here and Maple and Maple Valley or snow Calm
Meia and Maple Valleys. Softy and Dick, We're like, oh, whoa, hey, hey,
hey what what what we got?

Speaker 5 (05:29):
Ryo?

Speaker 1 (05:30):
We got Ryan Divis reporting Jerry Depoto's back. So oh,
what better day to have the Mulley Whoppers on than today?
Let them digest that for a week, and probably wouldn't
have been good to have him on right afterwards, so
we gave him a few days to do that. Will
checking with them coming up at one o'clock today. The
other thing, I don't know, if you guys, do you
see the newspaper article this morning the Adam Jude Road
now Edgar hates analytics yeah, I liked it. I mean,

(05:51):
just hit the ball. He's basically just saying this, hit
the ball, hit the ball, and hit it hard. And
he says, I don't care about it x AV Lol,
I don't care about all that stuff whoa and analytics.
That's literally just hitting the ball hard.

Speaker 2 (06:02):
But I get it.

Speaker 4 (06:03):
From a coach's standpoint, it's got to those guys don't
need to know numbers.

Speaker 2 (06:08):
They need to know how to do.

Speaker 1 (06:10):
Edgar heard about Edgar came up in the eighties, played
in the nineties and early two thousands, and he doesn't care.
And listen, there ain't none of us here to argue
with Edgar Martinez. No, no, I mean there, like there
isn't any in fact, unless the late Tony Gwynn was
still alive or Rod carew there is nobody on this

(06:32):
planet that can argue with Edgar Martinez about hitting. Maybe
Wade Bogs, Yeah maybe, yeah. I still take Edgar, yeah yeah,
But like the list is two or three guys, yeah yeah.
But so it's interesting, Guardic, We'll talk about that as well,
because it's like everything you stand for, Jerry Brolin is
an organization, You're legend, Hall of Famer, New hitting coach

(06:54):
standing by a batting cage in Bush Stadium yesterday talking
to Adam Jude just torpedoed you guys. But the poto's
a big story. We'll get to that coming up at
one o'clock today as well. Just real quick on the Seahawks,
I just I didn't think it would be possible. In fact,
there's no part of me that if you said, hey,
when you're watching the game on Sunday, is there any

(07:17):
point you're going to think that the offensive line is
actually worse than it was last year? There is no
part of me that would have said yes, Like none,
I was no, because you know, Scott Huff is a magician,
and they've got a legitimate center and Tomlinson's a veteran
guard to the left side. Crosses look great, and yeah,
I mean there's a question market right guard and right tackle.

(07:38):
The right tackles a backup and the right guard. Many
people think maybe it should be the rookie playing instead,
but there's no way they'll be worse.

Speaker 3 (07:46):
Like there's no way was there any way there should
have been maybe Mike Durell going in there, and.

Speaker 1 (07:52):
He was an active so it matter. But but but
it didn't even matter, Like, would you ever think, thk, God,
they're going to be worse And there's no chance I
would have said yes, because it would have been almost
impossible for that offensive line to have been worse than
it was last year. And for the first quarter and

(08:12):
a half it was the worst offensive line maybe in
Seahawks history, at least for about twenty minutes or so.
But something changed. How much was that? Was Ryan Grubb?
What did change? Is it sustainable? We'll talk to you
about that. Hardcore football only one got to break it
down because was there an adjustment? That's like what and

(08:35):
if so, what was it?

Speaker 6 (08:37):
Man?

Speaker 1 (08:37):
It was abysmal. You couldn't have started worse. I laughed
when McDonald said afterwards, oh, you know, that's how we
planned it. He's showing more and more personality. I think
what jumped out at the biggest thing after that game
yesterday was were players saying that McDonald's demeanor and how

(08:58):
we handled things in I mean, you could not lose
that football game if you're the Seattle Seahawks. I'm sorry,
you just could not lose that game. And I don't
want to hear any nonsense. Mariner fan baseball nerd goes early.
It doesn't matter football, not in football, it's never early,
and football is the ultimate. Look at the schedule. There
are games you can't lose, period, end of story. That

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was one of them, and they they looked like they
were gonna get run out of their own building except
for one thing. All the defense decided that it's going
to be way better than last year. Just all over
the field and outside of the final drive, they were
in sensational never in my wildest dreams. And I think
I'd missed DJ Dallas returning kicks never and I don't

(09:42):
care what I know. He returned the kick for the
touchdown yesterday. That now what I'm talking about. Dee Williams
is way over his skis.

Speaker 6 (09:48):
Man.

Speaker 1 (09:49):
He great story, It's awesome. You got a fair catch,
you got it, And then the muff you cut east
up Winston for that. Leviscus Chanaul's sitting on your bench
for that. That almost cost them the game. Unlucky with
the interception of the goal line kind of looked like

(10:10):
if they didn't only show a replay twice, kind of
looked like his foot touched the goal line, which I
thought would have been a touchback. It is on a punt,
but nevertheless, two safeties. You give up two safeties because
sensive lines that bad and they still came away with
a win. That's great, that's the bottom line. That's all
that matters. You're one to zero. Now you have to
go against a team that's going to flat out just

(10:30):
run it down your throat or at least try to
big test on Sunday against the Patriots. But how did
it all go down? What did it looked like? And
what actually happened? We Seahawk fans will make you smarter
and all of us smarter because Hu Melon's going to
join us next to tell us exactly what happened. Hardcore
Football coming.

Speaker 5 (10:49):
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(11:09):
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Speaker 1 (11:14):
Hardcore Football. Hugh Millan joins me on this Monday, the
first I would just the first real sink your teeth
into it, regular season hardcore football, and Hugh, I don't
need to butter you up because it's Apple Cup weeks,
so screw you in the Huskies. But I'm gonna butter
you up anyway, buddy, because I'm telling you, I'm sitting
at home yesterday and I kept thinking to myself as
that game progressed, and I'm watching through it, and I'm

(11:36):
watching the Seahawks rack up minus three yards net on
nine plays from scrimmage in the first three series. I'm
thinking to myself, Man, I got to talk to Hugh
Millan hardcore football Monday, what the hell happened? But then
I really started thinking about that after the second half
began and we started seeing things turn around. So hello,

(11:57):
welcome and thanks for joining us for another year of
heart or football.

Speaker 2 (12:00):
It's great to be with you.

Speaker 1 (12:01):
Thank you. Let's let's get to it, Hugh. And I'm
just gonna give you a blank slate. You take it
where you want to go, because I think there's a
lot of different things, but I'm gonna give you the
cliche we hear all the time in football, halftime adjustments.
Was yesterday a classic example of halftime adjustments by Ryan
Grubbing that offense.

Speaker 7 (12:21):
Well, I think in some sense, yes, I would say,
first of all, you have to say there's always a
factor that that teams are going to get more fatigued
as the game wears on, and particularly when you're talking
about week one, relatively warm day right by Seattle standards,
and guys haven't been playing in the pre season in

(12:42):
the preseason right right, And and so you know the
pad level rises. You don't chase the ball with quite
the zeal Seattle. Let's talk about the Seahawks and their
clock in in the second quarter, Seattle had twelve plays
then the numbnumber of times that they snapped the ball
with ten seconds or more remaining in the play clock, right,

(13:05):
So if it was two seconds, you'd be right down
to the end giving the defensive break. Only two out
of twelve times in the second quarter did Seattle snap
the ball with ten or more seconds remaining. In the
third quarter alone, so they go from seventeen percent. Third
quarter alone, they go thirteen out of twenty one plays

(13:26):
or ten seconds or more and I think three were
twenty seconds or more.

Speaker 2 (13:29):
Wow, no huddle in the first and all of the
first half, Seattle.

Speaker 7 (13:35):
They had a four and a half at five plays
of no huddle, four and a half yards in the
third quarter alone, they had seven plays no huddle fifty
seven yards and eight point one yards average, And so
I think you just have to talk about the temple.
That's a factor in the first half. This is a

(13:56):
minor factor. But in under center in the running game,
Seattle of the nine runs, Seattle was under center for
six in shotgun and three. They come out in the
third quarter and they they not only do they start
in shotgun, but they they're going shotgun with three receivers
to one side, which which now keeps the RPO game
alive because because they have to the Broncos have to

(14:21):
match three over three to the trip side. So Gino's
in the shotgun, he's got three receivers to his left,
and he can throw the bubble screen out there if
he wants to post snap. He makes that decision post snap.
But they're they're rolling over the top of DK keeping
a safety there. So by having an extra safety the linebacker,

(14:41):
the box just gets light, particularly when you're in a
trips and they were even doing what we would call
a four by one where they would put the back
to the trip side and then run to the weak side.
So they're getting the defense to push over to the
trip side and then run away from it out of
shotgun keeping the RPO. Now, so now it wasn't a
huge fact. I said six to three the Raco. Then

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in the third quarter a loan was seven and fives
seven five shotgun. But they started off in shotgun and
I think they forced some adjustments there later they got
in later in the third quarter, they got under center
a little bit more. But you know, those are some
of the factors.

Speaker 1 (15:19):
Okay, let me and I'm looking here at the just
of the game sheeting for you know, for us, it's like, yeah,
first play after they you know, after they got Denver
off the field on that first drive in the third quarter,
shotgun ken Walker left guard five yards, no huddle, shotgun
as you mentioned, geno deep pass to Tyler Lockett for
thirteen yards, no huddle, they go right back right, no huddle,

(15:39):
shotgun ken Walker six yards, then ken Walker fifteen yards
and then no huddle penalty on four sized. So they
brought that back and then they go shotgun ken Walker
for four shotgun ken Walker up the middle twenty three
yards and a touchdown. So they found something there. It
looks like right, just like like no huddle, shotgun and
just go quick.

Speaker 6 (15:59):
Is that?

Speaker 1 (15:59):
Is that what you're telling me?

Speaker 7 (16:00):
In the second quarter, they averaged eight point three seconds
remaining in the shot in the in the UH in
the play clock when they snap the ball. In the
third quarter they average twelve point one. So you know,
just you know, four seconds faster. But you know that's
an extra you know, right, a couple extra breasts for

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those defensive tacks. And then when you go no huddle,
you're you're not allowing them to UH to sub. So
you know, the seven plays of no huddle alone in
the third quarter, all of these factors. I just don't
think you can tell the story of Seattle's turnaround without
mentioning these facets relative to UH uh to tempo.

Speaker 1 (16:41):
And I think it's important to point out for people
wondering what that means they in the NFL, I think
college is the same way right here, Like if if
the offense makes a personnel change, they sub out right,
if they you know, bring an extra receiver, whatever they
want to do. If they do that, they you'll see
the ref for the umpire. I think it is they'll
standard the ball to hold the ball. The defense has
the ability to also counter that if they don't, the

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offense can snap the ball whenever the hell they want, right, Like,
they can just go like you just said, they can
go fast. And Seattle obviously Grub got them in a
situation where they like their personnel groupings right and they
knew they could go fast.

Speaker 7 (17:17):
Well, is a general default just to close that you're
probably in eleven personnel, which is one running back, one
tight end, three receivers, and not to say that they're
always in eleven, but and I can let's see, ye
I'm looking at the Yeah, I'm only seeing I'm seeing
a twelve personnel at twelve. I'm thinking maybe four four

(17:41):
out of twenty nine plays, we're twelve personnel. Everything else
is eleven personnel. Twelve is one running back, two tight ends,
and two receivers. But generally we're three receivers with one
running back and one tight end.

Speaker 1 (17:55):
How different is that from a year ago with Shane Waldron.

Speaker 7 (17:58):
Well, they upped it a year ago because of Jackson
Smith in Jigba's acquisition. Remember now, the year before, in
twenty twenty two, they led the NFL in thirteen personnel,
a lot of three tight end sets. So they acquired Jackson,
Smith and Jigba. But if you go, now, this is
a stat that's been around. I haven't used it often

(18:22):
because it's kind of difficult to grasp, but there's a
stat called expected points added at the NFL. The nerds
they get into this and they have databases of all
of plays in the NFL. You say, okay, if you
snap the ball under these conditions, this down and distance,
this field position, this time in the game, this is

(18:43):
the expected points you'll have based on all of the
data of all teams and Seattle when they were in
eleven personnel they were twenty seventh in EPA and when
they were not in eleven personnel last year they were second.
So yeah, they wanted to work the eleven personnel, but

(19:05):
they didn't work it well.

Speaker 1 (19:07):
I mean, think of that.

Speaker 7 (19:08):
You go from second on all situations, not eleven personnel.
That's that's our guys. I mean, it's DK, that's Tyler,
that's Jackson, and yet they just you know, and there's
other yards per attempting both by the way, that's both
running and passing game. I could give you other stats,
but that would be talking about a year ago, and

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but just the summary would be.

Speaker 2 (19:32):
Surprising.

Speaker 7 (19:33):
I almost said shockingly surprisingly ineffective in eleven personnel a
year ago, got to be better this year?

Speaker 1 (19:38):
Well, Humil enjoying us hardcore football. I want to save
the second segment for defense, and I want to get
before this segment is over. I think it's important to
look at what happened on the final play before the
kneel downs, the pass to Tyler Lockett, because I'm sure
that's something that we can break down with you as well.
I mean, it was great catch by Lockett, but schematically
that's why we do hardcore football as well. I'm going
to ask you this question. We didn't rehearse this earlier.

(20:00):
A couple of guys were saying that in the second half.
Grub went to quote, gap scheme runs. Can you translate
that for me?

Speaker 8 (20:07):
And is that the case?

Speaker 7 (20:08):
Well, gap scheme is power and counter, and that's where
you're down blocking at the point of attack and then
pulling on the on the backside. I would say unequivocally
that is not the case. There was a power in
the third quarter for zero yards that there let's see

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a count. There was a there was a an inside
counter for fifteen yards that would be gap. But you
started off with a trips wide zone for five, inside
zone for six, mid zone for four, a trap play
for twenty three yards in the touchdown. That's that's that's

(20:52):
not gap scheme. You have a wide toss for six,
you had a where was another there was a wide
toss for a pin and poll for twelve. So so
unless you want to say, yeah, there was a counter
for not uh to number nine?

Speaker 2 (21:12):
Are our boy? K?

Speaker 8 (21:14):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (21:15):
K nine?

Speaker 7 (21:15):
Yeah and and so yeah, So yeah, it was neither
now fifteen yard or that's big. But to try and
paint a theme like they went to h to gap
scheme blocking, or to try and paint a theme that

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they went to outside runs as opposed to inside.

Speaker 2 (21:40):
Let's let's explore that in the first half.

Speaker 7 (21:44):
The outside runs three right, just first half, three rushes
fourteen yards off tackle to carries thirteen yards, and then
up the middle four carries three. So the four times
they ran up the middle for three yards, that definitely
that that that that was not as good as their

(22:04):
outside plays. But that's from a frequency standpoint. That's five
plays for twenty seven yards off tackle or outside and
then right at the middle four plays for just three yards.
But now if you go to the second half, if
you combine outside runs and off tackle, so that would

(22:25):
be charitable to this hypothesis.

Speaker 1 (22:27):
Okay, stop stop right there, stop stop right there. So
off tackle outside runs to me, in my mind, I'm thinking,
what's the difference.

Speaker 7 (22:34):
Okay, So off tackle would be like right, you're going
just right at Charles Cross okay, okay, And and and.

Speaker 2 (22:41):
The mid zone. I mean I'm being charitable.

Speaker 7 (22:43):
Technically, the is aiming point would be on a mid
zone would be the inside leg of the offense tackle.
But the play can get off tackle. I'm trying to
be as charitable as I can to this hypothesis. So
wide runs would be something out beyond outside the alley,
just trying to get, you know, to the sideline. So
if you combine emphasis, combined off tackle and outside it

(23:08):
was six rushes for thirty nine yards in the third quarter.
This is the third quarter when it has all happened, right,
because the first play of the fourth quarter was the
touchdown pass. So you go from down thirteen to nine
at halftime to up what.

Speaker 1 (23:23):
Was it one twenty six thirteen was the first play
of the third the fourth quarter the Charbonaye touchdown.

Speaker 7 (23:28):
Yeah, so you get to yeah, you go from nine yeah,
so you get seventeen points in the span of one
quarter and one one and one play.

Speaker 2 (23:36):
So again, just that third quarter of the pivotal third quarter.

Speaker 7 (23:39):
Six rushes off tackle or outside for thirty nine yards,
up the middle, six rushes for forty nine yards and
the touchdown. So and then in the fourth quarter, if
you go outside runs, five carries for minus three yards

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on the outside, and then up the middle two carries
for seven yards. So in the fourth quarter, certainly there
was nothing happening outside at all, minus four one yard,
minus one one yard, zero nothing outside the third quarter,
as I said, you could say, well six carries for
thirty nine yards, but just as many carries right up

(24:22):
the middle.

Speaker 2 (24:24):
For more yards and a touchdown. And in the fourth
quarter the middle was more profitable.

Speaker 7 (24:30):
So if one of two I'm here, I am I'm
shooting down one of two theories. It's not gap scheme blocking,
unless you want to say one fifteen yard run in
gap scheme. But if you measure that against the zone blocking,
the pin and poll or the trap blocking, it's dwarfed.
And then it's not outside runs that make it happen,

(24:52):
because they were actually more effective running inside with the
same amount of carries.

Speaker 1 (25:00):
When you are and I want to get to the
clinching play because I thought it was I thought it
was I mean it was huge play. They would have
given the ball back time out remaining. I mean that
would have been terrifying. But before I get to that,
your your game planning. You've watched this team in training camp,
you watch him the preseason. You know, Scott Huff, you
know Ryan Grubb. What's your level of concern with this
offensive line on what can be done besides what you

(25:22):
just talked about in terms of going faster, going out
of shotgun things like that. Maybe it doesn't sound like
that sustainable.

Speaker 7 (25:27):
Well, I'm worried about the first quarter. I think early on,
you know Ryan Grubb, he tried to he tried to
dial it up and go go downtown. He he had
a deep over, you know in the first play and
trying to hit Tyler, trying to get Tyler on a
scissors concept. These are the type of stuff that we
saw from Penix down the field. And you know, in

(25:52):
the first case, you get a center who misses his
block and actually that was the second time they block
with a tight end. On the defensive end. Here they
got fan on look up number zero for the Broncos.
But he's pretty good, and that's just that's a losing
scheme in my mind. And then I mean, God blessed

(26:15):
Connor Williams is good to have him. But he was
he was lunging. I mean, your boy Keifer would say,
WHOA watch that technique? Like he was pass blocking, he
was lunging, his head was down. He's trying to use
his upper body to the extent he and I did this.
He wasn't using his arms. I went to the internet

(26:36):
to find out how many reps he had two twenty
five at the combine, just because I was like, he's
playing like he doesn't have faith in his upper body strength. Well,
he had twenty six reps and last year twenty six
would have been about middle of the pack for centers,
but the highest guy had thirty nine and there were
several over thirty the year before, twenty six would have

(27:00):
been the lowest of reps. So at any rate, maybe
I'm getting in the weeds too much, But it was
our first look at Connor Williams. He did some other
good things, but there's a couple of times where he's like,
they allow you to use your hands, like let's let's
let's use our upper body strength and.

Speaker 2 (27:19):
Right like, let's not let's not try. Let's not try.
And I mean it's not like the old days.

Speaker 7 (27:24):
Uh, you know back in the fifties when when offensive
lineman had to grab their jersey to make sure they
didn't hold Remember those Remember those photos with their elbows
all wide, grabbing their jersey at their chest like like
they're about to pull up in a Superman. You know,
that's how they that's the they football cards in that
that position.

Speaker 1 (27:39):
Well, I just feel like we do. It's like that
sounds like more of the same. Like for the last
two years, whether it was Brown or blythe these centers
were just physically overmatched. Is that what you saw yesterday?

Speaker 7 (27:49):
Well, I don't want to say that because there was
some there was some other goods and and and I
don't know, it just feels I feel kind of grouchy
if I just want to get after a guy who's
calling l and his first game and game action and
avy but but but there were Look, there were some
times where he's getting beat and and the quarterbacks getting hit,
and I would that's not standard technique. I mean you

(28:11):
you know, you get use your hands, and you know
you punch with your arms, and you know, get close
to straightening your ar I don't want to say straighten
your arms out, but you get close to straightening your
arms out, and and uh in an ideal world and
and he just he didn't do that.

Speaker 1 (28:25):
But all right, we'll do this to a quick break. Well,
one more segment hardcore football. Either go defense or big
play on offense. We'll figure out who and I'll talk
in the break. But uh, a good start to hardcore
football today. Seahawks did win, but felt a little little
little tenuous there for a while, Hugh, I mean little
tenuous pigs. Thanks to bow Knicks for helping out yesterday too.
We'll talk about that more with emailing next.

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a fact fiction two thirty five. Hugh, let's just get
to the defense. Just I mean, there's no doubt they
kept him in the game in that first half. What
jumped out at you, Well, first of all, the secondary
is this is a big time secondary. This is you know,

(29:26):
I don't want to say leads in a boom, but
the corners. When Weatherspoon is playing out there at the
corner and Tariq Woollen is at the corner, I mean,
there is so much skill. Witherspoon has got great instincts,
great juice. Julian Love had ten freaking solo tackles twelve

(29:47):
twelve for the game. Ten solo's first real good look
at rays On. Jenkins really liked him flying around. He
looks experienced, he.

Speaker 7 (29:56):
Knows where he's going, He's getting there fast, He's got
great technique. There, there's a there's a uh desire for
violence there. I mean, I love to As far as
the linebackers, I think Dotson, I'm really impressed with his
his his play in the in the passing game and
uh uh just you know, change the direction route recognition,

(30:20):
uh turning, getting underneath routes. I'm a little bit concerned
about him. As I said, playing hardball, Uh, I would
say Terrell Dotson for the most part, good instincts. But
I'm I'm a little worried about those guys. Sometimes they
were in the right gaps and and and there just
wasn't enough physicality. So I'm concerned for this Sunday that
there may be really good athletes and space guys. I

(30:41):
just don't know how much they thump. That'll be remain
to be seen. And and then and then as far
as the defensive line, I would say, my my critique
would be when they run their stunts, they've got to
be more contained conscious. You know, some of these quarterbacks.
The best thing they can do is run, and you
get them out on the edge. And stunts are where

(31:02):
the defensive end goes inside, the defensive tackle goes outside.

Speaker 2 (31:06):
And now it's a big guy.

Speaker 7 (31:07):
It's a big body guy coming from let's say, over
the guard, and he's now got contained. He's got to
make sure the quarterback doesn't get outside the pocket. In
that last drive, there's a twenty three yarder where with
Nicks up the sideline that was was exactly what I'm
talking about, and the touchdown run that he had was
exactly what I'm talking about. In both those cases, those

(31:30):
are et stunts and first then tackle looping and they
didn't contain.

Speaker 1 (31:36):
Hopefully then clean that up. Let me get to one
play in particular, and this is almost We've got about
four minutes here, Hugh. It's kind of a refresher course
because we saw a similar play that was an interception,
was almost interception by by Riek Wollen in the preseason
Gs and Chargers. But and we'll ignore the fact that
Bradford was immediately called for a holding the end zone.
It was a safety afterwards because the right we'll we'll

(31:57):
ignore that one. But the interception both Nicks intercepted by
Julian Love of the one yard line uh in the
in the second quarter, third nine of the Seattle twenty one.
He prevented some points from being scored.

Speaker 7 (32:07):
This initially, Yeah, and and and my fold on the
communication the uh, the the one by Riek Woolen was
the boot all broke down after the Charger game, the
boot where Greek Woolen almost got an interception.

Speaker 1 (32:22):
Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 7 (32:23):
We talked about how they're layered and it's a it's
a flood, a weak side flood concept where where to
the play side you go deep and then shallow, and
then you're fitting a backside crosser into the intermedia, just
kind of right in between trying to thread the needle
and and how Seattle was with their spacing and and
uh and it created some some delay and then uh,

(32:43):
Woolen almost got the interception. Well basically with the cup
you know, window dressing slightly different, but essentially the same
core of the play and Wolan gets the interception. As
for the love interception, that was a case where you
had good pressure by Mafe.

Speaker 2 (33:01):
And Derek Hall, so they're pushing the tackles back.

Speaker 7 (33:04):
Yet an inside stunt with Murphy and Leonard Williams and
so Williams breaks free. They were criss crossing in the middle.
Williams breaks bree Nix's kind of backpedaling and retreating to
the playside. The concept what the Broncos we're trying to
do is run a flood. Again, that was from a

(33:26):
pocket and flood is just this deep, intermediate and shallow.

Speaker 2 (33:32):
Towards the sideline.

Speaker 7 (33:33):
That's a general way you describe a flood and Usually
you have the outside guy run a clear out and
then you have a slot guy run a corner out.
That's the intermediate, and then somebody in the flat. So
you got deep, intermediate short. In this case, they were
having Courtland Sutton. He was the number two receiver count
outside in the second guy he's running a high angle corner.

Speaker 1 (33:54):
And then number.

Speaker 2 (33:56):
Seventeen for the Broncos, Devon Ve.

Speaker 7 (34:02):
He's the guy that that he's lined up at number
three and he's going up the field and then breaking out.
And so if we're doing a Denver show right now,
I'd be saying, Courtland Sutton, you can't go to.

Speaker 2 (34:16):
The front pilon. You have to go to the back
pilon to open it up.

Speaker 7 (34:20):
So because you're the deep guy, there's a guy in
the flat, and we got to get Valet at the
front pilon.

Speaker 2 (34:26):
So the Broncos jam that up.

Speaker 7 (34:29):
But let's let's talk about what we really care about
with the Seahawks, and what I liked in that there
was a cover two to that side and you had, uh,
you had twenty two Trey Brown.

Speaker 2 (34:41):
Trey Brown, he's covering the.

Speaker 7 (34:43):
Shallow guy, and then you had Love he's covering the
deep guy. They they handed this over. Well, so much
talk about communication. And then what we call the curl
defender was Witherspoon. Witherspoon's playing outside, He's playing inside, left, right,
all over his assignments, but he.

Speaker 2 (35:02):
Is just dead on that sale.

Speaker 7 (35:05):
They're trying to fool you by by running the sail route,
that's the intermediate. I'm breaking route by running it from
number three not to the Broncos are hoping you get
lost the thinking that number three is gonna cross and
go take out the safety in the middle of field,
and then you break him out to the sideline.

Speaker 2 (35:21):
But Witherspoon is just like he was in the huddle.
He's just like, I got my.

Speaker 7 (35:26):
Crow zone, I car, I care, I'm gonna carry number two.
That's I'm cutting, uh, and then hand him off to Love.
That's that's sudden. And then I'm gonna react inside. And
then I'm outside leverage. I'm I'm eyeballing. I see where
the quarterback, I see where the sales coming. And it
was literally as if somebody, you know in scout team
when they hold up the card yep uh, you know,

(35:47):
it's like somebody come up with you hold up the card,
and and and For those who don't know what I'm
talking about, imagine if if some some coach was standing
at the Seahawk huddle and they said, okay, here's here's
a drawing of what they're gonna do. Yes, and and now,
in real scout team, you show it to the offense
and we I was a professional scout team quarterback. I

(36:09):
try and you know, assimilate. You know, I did my
best Joe Montana or my best right, But in this case,
it was like they flipped the card around it. So
the Seahawks, I love it. So that's beautiful and uh
and you get an interception out of it.

Speaker 1 (36:23):
It's a beautiful play. Oh god, this is This is
gonna be the case all year.

Speaker 3 (36:27):
Man.

Speaker 1 (36:27):
I think we're gonna do this a lot where we're
just raving about what that defense is doing and Witherspoon
and other guys and well the secondary sorry, I got
I gotta run. And that's what I was gonna say
is And that's why I love the segment. I look
forward to it every Monday. At the same time, I
hate when it ends, and it's gonna end right now.
But the good news is you're on the rest of
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and I mean nobody does it better than this guy,

(36:48):
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Speaker 1 (37:55):
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Speaker 6 (38:04):
Here we have a lot to discuss. Man.

Speaker 1 (38:06):
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next season, no matter what happens in the final few
weeks of the year, a year in which they had

(38:37):
a ten game lead in June and now are trailing
by what is a four and a half today, So man,
we've got that to discuss. We've got the weekend Discuss
story by Jude this morning that apparently Edgar has thrown
analytics out the window in the door.

Speaker 6 (38:52):
They don't matter at all, and that's why.

Speaker 1 (38:53):
The Mariners have scored some runs recently, with the exception
of Saturday in which they were shut out. This is
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Bishop are here with us? I say here, one of
us is here in the great Pacific Northwest. That'd be
Chris Crawford.

Speaker 6 (39:13):
Where are you? Where in the world is Nathan Bishop.

Speaker 9 (39:17):
I heard that same news that you did, Ian, and
I did the only sensible thing, which is I got
on an airplane and flew as far away from Jerry
to Poto as I possibly could. I am sitting here
in the middle of literally Harvard Square, surrounded by a
bunch of learned types and you know, exchanging ideas on
baseball analytics with the Boston Red Sox fans. I'll be

(39:38):
at Fanway tonight to watch a ball game so pretty
excited for that. Watch some good offense. But apparently the
Mariners can hit now too, So I don't know. All
I know is that I am as far removed from
all of this nonsense.

Speaker 1 (39:52):
As I can get on short notice, Chris, is there
any doubt that our guy belongs at Harvard right now?

Speaker 6 (39:57):
Like, is there any doubt that he's the Harvard one
of the three of us.

Speaker 10 (40:00):
Well, he's kind of looking like Jim Harbaugh with those
glasses right now, so I'm thinking maybe he belongs more
at ann Arbor right now.

Speaker 9 (40:07):
Man.

Speaker 6 (40:07):
So, yeah, so many people have it better than me, Chris,
So he couldn't go back to ann Arbor right now?

Speaker 1 (40:15):
The little thing called show of cause is they're kind
of hanging over his head as well. All Right, we'll
get more specifically into Jerry and the weekend and all
that and everything.

Speaker 6 (40:26):
Looking ahead.

Speaker 1 (40:27):
Castio's got a little bit of a hamstring issue. They've
got the Padre starting tomorrow, follow by the Rangers and
then this little team, this this pittance of a team
called the Yankees coming into town soon as well. Overall
generalization thoughts to wrap.

Speaker 11 (40:42):
Up the last week fire one, well, as far as.

Speaker 9 (40:46):
The week goes It's one of those weird ones because
you know, they started the week off so bad. Those
first two losses on Monday and Tuesday and open really
wrecked what, otherwise I feel like would have been the
kind of week that I think we talked about last
week that we wanted to see the team have.

Speaker 11 (41:02):
We said they could only lose up to two games,
and they didn't do that.

Speaker 9 (41:05):
They win four and three, which, as you're seeing, even
when you're playing decent baseball, when you dig yourself into
this kind of hole, it's really tough to climb out of,
you know, and they got they were given a gift
by Cincinnati sweeping the Astros and then Kansas City and
Minnesota having to play each other in that series.

Speaker 11 (41:22):
But even still, there's just no room for air.

Speaker 9 (41:26):
So while broadly speaking, I think that there have been
encouraging things about the team's play for the past week,
it's not good enough.

Speaker 11 (41:34):
Four and three is not good enough.

Speaker 9 (41:35):
Even though if we had this conversation, you know, in
June or July, we'd be like, great, very solid week,
something to build on.

Speaker 11 (41:42):
There's no time to build anymore. It's just the breaks
are off.

Speaker 9 (41:45):
They have to win every single game every Day is
a must win game for the Seattle Marriages from here
on through the rest of the month. So I'm encouraged
by some signs I've seen in the offense, but there's
just gonna They're going to have to have a stretch
where they win eight or nine out of ten.

Speaker 11 (41:58):
It's just going to have to have happened between now
and the end of the season, I think.

Speaker 1 (42:02):
And Chris, it was a five and five road trip
that you know, had blips along the way of highs
and lows, and a four and three week.

Speaker 6 (42:09):
What have you your thoughts on the week that.

Speaker 10 (42:11):
Was you know, bad start of the week, you lose
to two of three, and then you get a nice,
nice series win ends with a blowout, and of course
I'm didn't we decide this is the Detroit Tiger's channel.

Speaker 6 (42:22):
Now That's what I'm talking about.

Speaker 10 (42:24):
Oh yeah, uh, you know those It's just like Nathan
said there, the margin of air is so thin and
too I talked about how often I've had to say
what a waste. Blowing starts like they did on Saturday
really makes those wins feel less good. For lack of

(42:44):
a better term, it was just such a frustrating game
that's still sticking with me right now because Logan Gilbert
absolutely shoved deserves so much better, and there's still.

Speaker 6 (42:54):
These flashes of this offense.

Speaker 10 (42:56):
Even while having a good week, you're reminded, Oh, there
are still a lot of really incompetent offensive players on
this roster, and they still have such a not just
the thin margin of Aaron wins and losses in it,
bats like some of these guys are just going to
get worked way too often. It is encouraging that they
were able to score some runs outside of that Saturday blemish,

(43:16):
but you can't help but think what if that a
few of these games and Saturday is going to be
one of those what if games for me?

Speaker 1 (43:22):
That is Christopher Crawford Nathan Bishop molliwap Monday brought to
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enjoyed My My ol Y episode that was live once
he could bring himself to do so. On Tuesday, I
had a long drive home from a fantasy football draft
and I listened to it almost in its entirety, and

(43:45):
it was one of those Nathan, you would love this.

Speaker 6 (43:47):
It's one of those. It was a slow burn.

Speaker 1 (43:49):
It started out Chris had a handful of people on,
and then the momentum started to build and goes, well,
i'll take your questions, we'll have a conversation, and then
all of a sudden, it was like he was in
and with people and it was just a vent session.
It was really, to be honest with you, it wasn't
on radio. It was I guess it was good YouTube
is what it was, and it was really really good stuff.
I highly encourage people, and I guess I treat it

(44:13):
sometimes like I used to treat the Husky Hawks during
the Tyrone Willingham days. It was must listen to postgame
radio with Hugh and Dick and Softie. It was very
much it's this. Sometimes a fan just needs to vent.
He just needs some therapy and and Chris provides that.
Win or lose a mile wid YouTube channel check it
out every night. It's absolutely fantastic stuff. And he's got

(44:34):
this collection of folks that seem to be regular. Is
it just and it's shout out to all of them
because they're all very like minded to the three of us.
I think a lot of ways too yeah, they don't
put up with the bs. All right, let's not bury
the lead. Chris Crawford, your thoughts then and four days
later now when you heard the news at Topoto, the

(44:55):
decisions already made made and he's coming back, And maybe
it's not a surprise. I think we all probably agree
upon that, maybe to a certain extent, but just overall thoughts.

Speaker 10 (45:02):
Yeah, I think I've gone through a lot of emotions
about it, like, but none of the emotion was surprised
because I was never surprised by this. He is such
a shield for ownership. Like somebody in the chat compared
him to Roger Goodell, and I thought that was a
perfect comparison, because he is the shield that protects John Stanton.
He is the guy who will always keep this team

(45:23):
winning eighty to eighty five games. Sometimes you'll get up
to ninety, but sometimes it won't be enough to get
in the postseason. But that's okay because you're never going
to tank enough for the Tendants to be too bad.
So you've got your shield, you have your protection. The
only reason I'm okay with Jerry Depoto coming back, and
this is just my personal opinion, is that I think
if there was a new front office person put ahead

(45:46):
of Pobo Depoto. You're talking about a rebuild, you're talking
about taking steps backwards. I don't think you're talking about
taking step backwards with the Poto coming back for one year.
In fact, I think you're talking about hopefully this is
just a one year extension type of thing where Depoto
is actually general managing for lack of a better term,
for his job. It is still disappointing though that after

(46:09):
ten years they think this is good enough. And that's
what you're saying, after all of this, one playoff appearance
in his tenure, one is good enough for the Seattle
Mariner ownership. So I'm not surprised. I'm less disappointed than some,
but I still get why people are angry that a
front office regime that's been here for a decade, it

(46:30):
has been to the postseason once is considered good enough.

Speaker 6 (46:33):
All Right, I'm gonna come back to something you said
to ask you. I gotta followup.

Speaker 1 (46:36):
But Nathan, I want to get you in here now,
just again, thoughts then, thoughts today.

Speaker 9 (46:42):
I've tried to not have many thoughts. I'm gonna try
to describe this in a way that doesn't feel utterly defeated.
I was really starting to get excited for next year
for the Seattle Mariners, and I don't think surprise is
the best way to put how I felt. But when
I've seen the outcry for Jerry to go reach levels

(47:04):
in the past month that I have not seen before.
And I've been covering this team pretty closely his entire
time here, so I've seen it. I was here the
day he was hired, all the way up until today.
I've seen plenty of fans. I've been angry and angsty, obviously,
but I haven't seen things like Danie O'Neal's call him
and the way that the media has very specifically not
said that the Seattle Mariners need to improve, but that
Jerry the poto needs to go. And sometimes when you

(47:28):
see that ground swell, I saw it with Kevin Mather.
The Mariners didn't want to fire Kevin Mather either. They
waited an entire weekend hoping that that would all blow over,
but it just did not, and the pressure got so
significant that ownership actually had to do the thing that
they hate the most in the entire world, which is anything.
They had to do something they hate doing things. It's
their least favorite thing in the entire world. Can you

(47:49):
imagine having to do stuff as opposed to sit around
and watch your bank account go up more and more
and more, because that's all that they really want to
do here with this franchise.

Speaker 11 (47:58):
And I was hoping that the media was going to
institute change and it didn't.

Speaker 9 (48:03):
They are fine with this for all the reasons that
Christians outlined, and for me as a fan, just as
from my own personal perspective on the ground level, it
was about as big of a gut punch to have
it confirmed as I think that I've had in this era.
And it's just I'm trying to look at twenty twenty

(48:24):
five and think about why I would feel like it's different.
And I see all of these guys that are going
to get paid raises. I hear about how payroll is
not going to increase. I hear rumors that were going
to be trading starters from Major league bats. Why in
God's name would I trust Jerry Depoto to acquire major
league bats regardless of who he's trading.

Speaker 6 (48:43):
Why what is it?

Speaker 9 (48:45):
What's going to be different next year? Tell me I
would love to know. Is the American League West going
to be bad this year as bad next year.

Speaker 11 (48:52):
As it is this year.

Speaker 9 (48:53):
No, why are we supposed to What is there to
be excited about after the last game of the season.
Maybe the Mayor sneak into the playoffs at the end
of this year.

Speaker 11 (49:01):
God, I hope so.

Speaker 9 (49:02):
But if they don't, man Like, I'm really struggling to
feel any sort of enthusiasm for twenty twenty five. And
that's honestly a first for me. I get excited about
every baseball season, but I am so tired of the
direction of this franchise, and I'm so tired of being
told that what we've had for the last nine years

(49:23):
is good enough, because it's just not.

Speaker 6 (49:25):
It's not.

Speaker 1 (49:26):
And Chris, we go back to you, because you're pretty
dialed in with a lot of people in baseball and
scouts and others, and so you are talking to people.

Speaker 6 (49:34):
Why do you believe? Because I think you tweeted.

Speaker 1 (49:37):
This as well, and maybe or maybe said one of
the Mile Why episodes that what you just told us
again is that if they made a move, you believe
that they would be in a partial rebuilder, or they
do they would kind of take a step back in
a sense. I've brought up this name a couple times.
In some ways, I felt like maybe the poto was Sark.
And I'm not talking I don't want to even get

(49:59):
in this. I'm just talking about Sark, the football coach
and the program builder. You know, Sark got Washington back.
If you look at the guys that went to the NFL,
I believe a lot more were Sark guys than Chris
Peterson guys. But he got him back, but he wasn't
able to take that really good talent to that next
level like Chris Peterson was able to in twenty sixteen.
So I guess I asked, I use it, And maybe

(50:20):
it's a really bad comparison, But why would we believe
that it would be a step back as opposed to, Okay,
you got us here, especially on the pitching side.

Speaker 6 (50:29):
You got us here, but now we need a guy.

Speaker 1 (50:32):
Maybe it's justin Holland er I don't even know, but
maybe we need a guy that could take us to
that next level.

Speaker 6 (50:36):
Why do you believe it would be the opposite. It's
just usually what happens.

Speaker 10 (50:40):
Every once in a while, you see a Dave Dombrowski,
or you see a Patent gyellig who takes over, and
those are the guys who are willing to basically destroy
farm systems in order for those wins. And I wouldn't
hate that the Seattle Mariners would have brought in someone
like that. But usually when you're bringing in, especially in
this day of analytics, that apparently Edgar hates analytics, and
that's fine. It's funny that the guy is locked as

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much as anybody hates analytics, which is one of the
key things from it. But usually what you see is
a team. The new guy comes in and he wants
to build his organization his way. You want to see
them take their type of talents and put them into
the organization. And what that often means is that you're
trading guys for prospects. You're trading guys for younger talent

(51:24):
guys that are more in line with your way of
developing the system. That's just what we have seen for
years and years and years. Sure, it's possible they could
have hired a Dombrowski type or a Gillick type, but
more than likely they would have hired one of these
Harvard guys, these guys from the Ivy League who goes
in and looks to reshape the roster into their direction.

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And that usually doesn't mean that you're going to see
a bunch of moves to make the team better for
twenty twenty five. You'd be seeing moves that are made
to make the team better for twenty twenty six, twenty
twenty seven. And I'm sorry, I'm not willing to deal
with that. I'm not willing to have a rebuild for
this organization. I've waited too many gosh dang years for
this team to be competitive. You cannot take a step backward.

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I can't imagine if the photo coming back for at
least one more year, that's the direction that they're going
to go.

Speaker 6 (52:12):
With this team.

Speaker 1 (52:14):
Nathan, We're asking for your patients, sir, We're asking for
your patients as you scout out that next Harvard analytical
guy there in the northeast part of our country, Nathan
would have would if they would have brought him back, well,
if they would brought if they had the same move,
I don't know my personal thought, Nathan will have you
jumping after. I just kind of wish that what they

(52:35):
would have done is I wish what they would have
done is just just wait, like just wait see how
the rest of the next three weeks plays out, because
if it stays status quo when they finish a couple
three games out, then you've got one thing. If they
sneak in somehow, or Houston completely implodes, or they get
of the last wildcard spot, maybe.

Speaker 6 (52:58):
You can spin it.

Speaker 1 (52:59):
It's just Nathan if nothing else. To me, it was
just a horrific pr move. Now again, they could look
really smart. Hey, look at Jerry got us in the
playoffs and all that. But I guess the thing is
is just why not wait? Especially like you said, they
don't like to do things, So why not just wait?
And why not wait and do it?

Speaker 6 (53:15):
You know how you do it?

Speaker 1 (53:16):
You do it the Seahawk way. You just don't even
announce anything. Oh, he's stillunder contract. Why nothing to announce?
You know, nothing to say?

Speaker 9 (53:22):
Well, yeah, and from my perspective, as far as I
can read it, and maybe you guys have seen more details. Again,
I've been traveling, But I wouldn't be surprised at all
if this extension happened a long time ago, back when
they were in first place by ten games, which would
be very reminiscent. This season reminds me a lot of
twenty and eighteen, when the marin has got off to

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a huge wild card lead thanks to a big first
half and then completely collapsed and then.

Speaker 11 (53:47):
Ended up missing the playoffs entirely.

Speaker 9 (53:49):
But while they had that big playoff lead, Jerry Depoto
and Scott Service got extensions and I wouldn't be surprised
at all if that's what happened.

Speaker 11 (53:55):
And I don't know has the team even officially announced
anything or did it all come from the YEA.

Speaker 9 (54:00):
So maybe by the end of the year, if Chris
Larsen can spring for a satellite phone from his yacht,
we'll get a zoom call or something that'll actually like
maybe they'll let the media I don't know, like send
Morse code signals by a carrier pigeon or something and
they can actually comment on this.

Speaker 11 (54:14):
But I don't know.

Speaker 9 (54:15):
Was it up to them that they released this news
recently or is that just good reporting from jud and Divish.

Speaker 11 (54:20):
I don't even know.

Speaker 9 (54:22):
I don't know why they would make the decision in
the middle of the year other than the fact that,
like we keep talking about, they're running this like a
business and they're seeing steady returns around the middle of summer,
So why make any changes because everything's going.

Speaker 11 (54:33):
To keep going.

Speaker 9 (54:34):
So it's just I think the thing that we need
to remind ourselves, and that I've had to remind myself
to stay sane, is that the things that the Mariner's
owners want and the things that we as fans want
are not necessarily in conflict. But they are not the
same thing. We have different goals and sometimes they cross over.

(54:56):
Sometimes winning baseball games is in line with ownerships, but
more often than not, it doesn't really matter. It's just
a byproduct. So when I remember that, I can be
a little bit less angry than I am right now.

Speaker 11 (55:08):
But yeah, it's just a frustrating way to be.

Speaker 1 (55:12):
Well, to answer your question, it was just great reporting
by Adam and by Ryan. You know, I think that
those guys do a terrific job. They're the only independent
They're really the only independent mainstream in dispense. Yeah, they're
the only independent mainstream media that covers them. I mean,
if you I'll respect to Daniel, he works for MLB
dot com, Chris Larson helps pay a salary, and the
radio reporter that travels with them, she works for them.

Speaker 6 (55:34):
Slash the flagship.

Speaker 1 (55:35):
You're not independent, You have no independence, and that's just
the way media works. Those guys found it out. Someone
got it to them. I'll go back to I think
it was Chris said this earlier. I mean, I think
Nate just answered the question why we're never going to
see Chris Larson in front of a bank of microphones
on a podium speaking to the media and John Stanton.
I think I'm gonna guess it's going to be a
while before we ever see that again. The accountability, the

(55:58):
lack of accountability by the guys that run the organization
is striking. You know, we had Stanton on the radio
opening day twenty twenty three. I believe he did something
later that summer with our morning show. He has not
been on our station since, nor will he ever probably
be on our station again, even with my producer having
a great relationship with him, he won't.

Speaker 6 (56:17):
He just won't do it.

Speaker 1 (56:18):
And I get I get why because we're not a
safe haven like others are. We're not going to ask
the softball questions. We're not going to give go by
the script. We're not you know, that's that's not state
run radio. So it's not going to happen. But Chris,
you went I'll go back to it to Poto because
he is always the smartest guy in the room. He
can be that shield maybe with Nathan said it was

(56:40):
or whoever when you guys said a goodell, but he's
he's the shield, right and that's I think that's why
he's back as much as anything, because he can represent
both ownership and front office.

Speaker 10 (56:49):
He does a perfect job of satiating. He does a
perfect job of just keeping everybody, maybe not as happy
as possible, but no one's ever going to be angry.
You're never going to have under the Depoto era, unless
you know, people start getting tired of baseball or whatever.
You're not going to get the thirteen thousand crowds. Maybe

(57:11):
you'll get those in early April, but you're still going
to get the solid weekend crowds because the team will
be good enough and entertaining enough, but it's never going
to be good enough to compete for championships, like seriously
compete for championships, which is really sad because you have
a rotation that should have you contending for championships every
single year, but the rest of your roster is so

(57:32):
mediocre that you're not an actual contender for World championships.
But that's what Jerry Depoto's going to give you. And
as an owner, if somebody who's mostly concerned about profit
and mostly is an understatement, like the overwhelming factor for
John Stan is to make money. Do if they win, great,
But if he makes money, he's doing his job. That's

(57:53):
the perfect general manager for him. That's the perfect front office.
Going eighty five and seventy seven sneaking into the plays
here and there, eighty eight and seventy four, the ninety
and seventy two years when you really got lucky. That's
perfect for him because he doesn't have to spend too
much money. He still gets his profit. Bingo bengo bongo.
Everything works out all right, Yeah, go ahead, Date.

Speaker 9 (58:15):
I just want to add really quick, this is where
the Goodell and the Poto thing breaks down.

Speaker 5 (58:19):
To me.

Speaker 11 (58:19):
I get the analogy.

Speaker 9 (58:21):
But if Roger Goodell came out and told the media
at a press conference and that he doesn't actually care
about the troops are about America. But the reason that
they do all that stuff is because they focus grouped
it and it makes an X amount of money over
why number of years, he would get fired into the
sun before the press conference ended Jerry Depoto. He revealed
everything last year. He told you exactly what they're doing

(58:42):
and why they do it. He was dumb enough to
show you the sausage being made, and they absolutely let
him do it. He insulted everyone directly to their face
for an hour with that press conference, and it just
doesn't matter. And that's the thing for me that really
makes this a different way, because unlike Roger Goodell, he

(59:02):
was so stupid and arrogant that he couldn't just keep
doing his job and being a shield.

Speaker 11 (59:07):
He had to tell you exactly.

Speaker 9 (59:09):
How the game is played and dare you to do
something about it, And he knew his bosses wouldn't care,
and they don't.

Speaker 6 (59:15):
I love it.

Speaker 1 (59:16):
We got one more segment to get to analytics apparently
no more, no longer a part of what the Mariners do.
We'll talk about that coming up next night three point
three KJFM. All right, welcome back in Molly wat Monday.
Continue second segment with Chris and Nathan. By the way,
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Mike Sando at two o'clock. So last week we put

(59:59):
a clip up. Are a social media digital manager and
director of all things social media, Mike Benton. Everybody he is,
He's great at what he does. Put up a little
real I put it on my Instagram. You guys sides
as well. It's twenty nine thousand people have viewed it already,
and that's pretty big numbers concerning I don't have. I
have like one tenth of that in terms of uh

(01:00:21):
Mistagram followers, et cetera. So it blew up because of this.
It was us talking kind of a little bit about
this before Depoto. But I think when we go back
to that last segment, what jumps out at me Fellas
is this, they don't care. And you guys both kind
of said this. They don't they care about profits. They
really don't care about the baseball fan and I think

(01:00:42):
that's sad because the baseball fan, not the hot dogs
from Heaven, postgame concert fireworks, blah blah blah.

Speaker 6 (01:00:51):
Because the baseball fan doesn't.

Speaker 1 (01:00:52):
Go to T Mobile Park for for some some sale
hot dogs being tossed out and you know, like it
just doesn't have The baseball fan goes there to see, Hey,
Luis Castiel's pitching today. You know that's why they're going.
They don't care about that fan. And honestly, Nathan, that's
what makes me sad. They don't care about the baseball fan.
I no, no ownership group should ever do what fans

(01:01:14):
want them to do because it would be crazy, like
there would be a payroll that would be about a
billion dollars a year. It just wouldn't make any sense.
But you have to listen to your real consumer, not
your casual consumer. And Nathan, I don't think they have
any clue or either they don't they don't have a clue,
or they don't care what the baseball fan thinks. Because
a baseball fan wants to do wants to hear what

(01:01:36):
you guys just talked about, and Chris said, they want
to see a team can tend for a title.

Speaker 9 (01:01:41):
Yeah, I'm really interested to see because I'm going to
the game at Fenway tonight with my son, and I
was kind of doing a little research there and I
was checking out. In twenty thirteen, the Red Sox won
the World Series, which was their third World Series win
of a decade, and within two years after.

Speaker 11 (01:01:57):
That World Series win, Ben Cherington, who is a GM
of that twenty thirteen team, was out of a job.
He was fired. I think after the twenty fifteen season.

Speaker 9 (01:02:05):
I was trying to think about how many decades there
to photo would get as executive if he actually stumbled
into a World Series winning Seattle, regardless of whether they
ever did anything afterwards. And it's just kind of a
different mindset. And I don't necessarily know that Red Sox
fans are better fans, but I think that there is
a certain priority to your point in that ownership hears

(01:02:30):
from what the power users are saying out here in
a different way than on the West Coast, And I
don't know what that is. I think maybe there's just
a different priority level via East coast West Coast and
for the Mariner fans, you know, I mean, it's not
just baseball, and it's not just sports a lot of
our life. The people that are in charge of this stuff,
like the Marrier's owners, have so many different ways of

(01:02:53):
getting revenues, so many different streams, so many ways of
earning money, which is all that really matters to them,
that they don't really have to care about the people
like Chris and I because the money is still going
to flow win, whether that's digital media rights, whether that's
people that are there for family nights and bobbleheads and giveaways,
and they've figured out new ways to do it even now.
The way that they spread out these like bobblehead giveaways
over three different midweek games now that they're doing this year,

(01:03:17):
so they get that bigger crowd of the.

Speaker 11 (01:03:18):
Middle of the week. It's just not about us, man,
and that sucks.

Speaker 6 (01:03:23):
Chris. Let me go. Run out of time, So pick
up a paper this morning.

Speaker 1 (01:03:27):
Oh, your new hitting coach, which I guess in theory
would be your third hitting coach this year and his
second tour of duty in that role, the Hall of
Famer that is Edgar Martinez tells Adam Jude yesterday at
batting practice in Bush Stadium, or as others they CIVI
help Bush team. I think they do in Saint Louis. Yeah,
I don't really care about analytics. Like I'm just telling
these guys to swing and do this and do that
and exit ve Lo nothing like I'll be interested. See

(01:03:50):
does Root Sports get rid of exit Vlo tonight on
the graphic because you're because.

Speaker 6 (01:03:54):
The hitting coach says, it does not matter.

Speaker 1 (01:03:57):
My god, can you imagine what the nerds are doing
down They're ate mobile Park in their offices right now,
looking at their computers.

Speaker 6 (01:04:02):
They must be losing their mind. Chris Crawford and.

Speaker 10 (01:04:05):
I think the whole thing is and I sometimes people
just use analytics as the boogeyman.

Speaker 4 (01:04:10):
You know.

Speaker 6 (01:04:10):
They just used the way to Edgar.

Speaker 10 (01:04:13):
I have heard the Edgar Martinez interview in my head
for my whole life, and I won't try to impersonate
his voice, even though I used to as a kid.
Allie Ever said they'd ask him tons of questions. I
just tried to hit the baseball hard. I just tried
to hit it hard. I just tried to hit the
baseball up the Mindal what he's really saying is it's
not about I'm not teaching them analytics. I'm just trying

(01:04:34):
to simplify these things for these guys, because there were
a bunch of reports about how the messaging was too complicated.
JP Crawford came out, my son came out and said
that the messaging was just too complicated. So a simplified approach,
you know, it sounds easy enough, you know, just make
hard contact, hit the ball when you see the ball,

(01:04:54):
hit the ball when you don't swing at bad pitches,
swing at good pitches. When you get good pitches, hit
the ball. Like this is all Edgar Martinez is really saying.
It's not about bo analytics, like we're not looking at
WRC plus all that stuff.

Speaker 11 (01:05:07):
It's just he's saying, hey.

Speaker 10 (01:05:09):
Idiots, go up there and do what made you a
gosh damn major league player and what has made you
successful in the past. It's not about like thinking about
WARP or thinking about WRC. It's just about see the
ball and do what made you the best version of yourself.
And by the way, that's why I love Julio Rodriguez
hitting at the top of the lineup, because yes, analytically

(01:05:31):
that is not the best thing, because he's not the
guy who draws a bunch of walks, but he is
the guy who comes up there and clearly feels comfortable
at the top of the lineup. Look at his numbers
as the leadoff hitter compared to everything else. He clearly
feels confident in that spot. He's assertive, he goes up there,
he's looking to attack, and it makes him the best
player he is. It's not about poo pooing analytics. That's

(01:05:51):
always going to have a part in the game. It's
about simplifying the game and just playing to the best
of your.

Speaker 1 (01:05:57):
Abilities and just real quick, if you are in professional sports,
and it doesn't matter what. I don't know about soccer,
what they have, I'm sure they have their own version,
but you know, they become analytics become a big part
of hockey.

Speaker 6 (01:06:11):
They're a big part of the NBA now, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:06:14):
They When Kyle Smith got hired, even at was in
college basketball, they called it nerd ball because of how
he approached especially and it was more like three point
shooting is more effective than two point shot any guys.
The NBA used that, and there's day data around that
and where you shoot from all those different things, rebound angles,
things like that. Hockey, it's it's I mean, the Kraken
have been criticized because they're too analytically based in their

(01:06:34):
hockey operations department. Their first hire was an analytics person.
It wasn't Ron Francis. But the thing is is that
there's a reason those numbers matter. And if you're not
using the if you're not using numbers provided to you,
along with everything else you have at your disposal, weight training, nutrition,
all those things we're athletes are big. I went to

(01:06:55):
a D three football game in Minnesota on the weekend
and I'm looking at dudes coming off the field and
not name the Whitworth Pyrs necessarily, but the team that lost,
the home team was not good. But you look at them,
they sure look the part. They don't look like a
D three team, Like dudes look different than they do
because we have all this new information. How do you
make your body better? Analytically? In baseball it is, it's

(01:07:18):
the boogeyman. It's like, we don't want to talk about
it because there's a place for it. I just found it,
damn funny. Oh yeah, the best that the best hitter
you've ever had in this organization and that probably ever
will and one of the best hitters ever and the
guy that the DH Ward is named after said screw it,
hit the ball hard, like you said up the middle, Nathan.

Speaker 11 (01:07:36):
I just wanted to add too, And I love this discussion.

Speaker 9 (01:07:38):
We can talk about this for like a whole offseason
show and be such a good conversation. But just as
we discuss analytics and sports, and specifically in baseball, just
to remember, it's the organization's job to use every analytical
and data focused tool that they can to improve the team.
It is not the player's job to understand analytics or
to have in depth knowledge of them. It's their job

(01:07:58):
to perform. That's all that matters. Guys have been great
hitters for decades without the slightest understanding of analytics. If
they can hit, it's a reactive thing. You don't have
to go up there with a bunch of equations in
your brain. You have a few thousands of a second
in order to react to the pitch, see the ball
and hit it. Man, the mirrors have to understand WRC

(01:08:19):
plus exit angle, launch excuse me, launch angle, exit, velocity,
all of that stuff.

Speaker 11 (01:08:24):
Maybe the hitters don't. They just need to go up
and hit the ball well and and you know it goes.

Speaker 1 (01:08:29):
I think as much anything into pre scouting, doesn't it
Chris like scout, you know, like like like going into
series and things like that.

Speaker 6 (01:08:34):
You need to use what's there for you. So as
we're doing this conversation, you.

Speaker 1 (01:08:38):
Know what's coming into my mind is that the visual
anytime there's a postgame interview with with Luis Castile or
I don't know why Robles uses a translator. He was
micd up in an on Sunday night game and was fine,
but whatever. But when Freddy is doing the translation, the
PR guys doing the translation for those guys, maybe the
translator between upper office and know the nerds, a team mobile,

(01:09:01):
the upright the translation from there to the players, what
Nate's saying isn't working right, It just isn't working. And
you know, like it's it's it's just not And I
think what Nate said is good because I'll just use
the Seahawks. They have so much data now and you know,
when I'm covering a practice or training camp and they
all have the GPS things in there and that tracks

(01:09:23):
everything they do that doesn't go into a sheet that's
handed after after practice to you know, Charles Cross and
say here's what it says, right, it goes to the coaches,
or it goes to the trainer, and when they say, here,
here's what we need to do, here's what you're doing.

Speaker 4 (01:09:40):
What have you?

Speaker 1 (01:09:41):
You know, you're you're taking too long a loop in
the corner and whatever it is, it's lost in the translation,
I guess is what I'm trying to say.

Speaker 6 (01:09:46):
Okay, we got a reppornite.

Speaker 1 (01:09:48):
Let's go to this day off today, Podrey's Rangers, Yankees
all on the horizon.

Speaker 6 (01:09:54):
Uh, they're Chris, what do they have to do?

Speaker 1 (01:09:57):
As always? But more importantly, are they still in it?
And I'm gonna ask you that's a two part division
and wildcard.

Speaker 10 (01:10:04):
Yeah, they're still in it, but it's just by the
skin of their teeth, like it's mathematically possible, just because
the wild Card has really come down to them. And look,
they are now three in it. They're three wins behind
the Wildcard now, so they need to really play well.
They need to sweep the series against the Padres and
they need to take two of three in that series afterwards,

(01:10:24):
or maybe it's three or four, I can't remember what
exactly is going on, but they need to win every
series going forward, and they need to start getting some
sweeps starting with a two game series. But because the
wild card is played down to them, and because you
still have those three games against the Astros, you still
are in this thing. But it's I mean, that's margin
of air is just so very It is the bo

(01:10:44):
Nix of margin of airs. Who by the way, two
of twelve for forty two yards and two interceptions.

Speaker 6 (01:10:50):
I hate the Ducks. Where can we find your work,
sir mile Y.

Speaker 11 (01:10:55):
You can find me on YouTube.

Speaker 10 (01:10:56):
And by the way, I am now covering Seahawk games
as well. I did my first Seahawk game this week.
I will do every game for them. I do every
game for the Seattle Mariners. I'm also going to do
the Cracken this year. Super excited. Please follow.

Speaker 6 (01:11:08):
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Speaker 1 (01:11:13):
It really you can't watch it and sometimes sometimes live
sometimes after, but it builds, it bridges the gap with
this little thing here, right, just kind of bridges a
gap with this all week Miley on YouTube. Nathan, besides
walking through talking to your fellow nerds there at Harvard,
you fit in so well there by the way like
you just fit in perfectly there.

Speaker 6 (01:11:31):
Besides that work, can we find you?

Speaker 9 (01:11:33):
You can find me on x slash Twitter Nathan underscore
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(01:11:54):
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It's going to continue to be even.

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Speaker 1 (01:13:18):
I think a collective world would agree with you. Yeah,
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The only time was quicker was the first year, and
that was because nobody could actually go to a bar
restaurant and have a pint or anything like that. So
the Growler sold out in about five or six days.
This one took. This one just took fourteen days, which
is incredible. Now here's the better news. This is the
better news than that. Oh yeah, you don't think. You
don't think we didn't save a keg, did you. Let's
get I knew you'd have something. Don't think we saved

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ourself a keg, Ladies and gentlemen, We saved ourself a keg.
Coming up on September twenty third, Monday Night football, and
can you look at who we play? Who actually can
do that? I'll do that right now?

Speaker 6 (01:14:14):
What is that?

Speaker 1 (01:14:14):
Week four?

Speaker 6 (01:14:16):
Right?

Speaker 1 (01:14:17):
Week three? Week? That's a week three right Monday? Yeah, No,
Week three is next. It's a week two week from day,
Week four. Commanders and Bengals the best in the world. Yeah,
but uh well maybe Bengals will pull their head out anyway.
Commanders Bengals money infoble. We're gonna do a little a
last keg celebration of the Mayor i PA on Monday

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September twenty third at in Vibe tap house in Maple
Valley because it is the Mayor of Maple Valley open.
We did that last year. Incredible party, had a ton
of fun, had a great food truck out there, rolling
smoke barbecues coming out this year, so it's gonna be
a blast. So we have one keg left to go
and we'll fire that off out there at im Vibe
on Monday, September twenty three, So if you're the South End,

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come on bine see us that night. So it was
about five o'clock and we'll go intill. I would say,
we'd go until we killed the keg. Last year we
took two hours to kill the keg, which is remarkable,
never had been done before there at in By. Like
my friend Angie who owns the place, and she says,
at one point I said to her, I go, hey,
I want to get a crowler, you know the cans
you can fill up and stuff just for later in

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the week and you know, like one final crowler at home.
And she I said, she just come back tomorrow. She
can get come back tomorrow the next next couple days
and get it. And I thought, and then she comes
back to me five minutes later. She goes, after you
asked me that, I went back and checked and the
keg's almost gone, and she goes, I've never seen that
before because they have, you know, guest brewers in there
all the time for different things. So yeah, so I
would hope it would last a couple of days. You

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guys got after it last year, really got after it
last year. Hopefully we'll we'll last a couple days. But again, Monday,
September twenty third, final keg of the Mayor. But it's
out of Georgetown, so if you're heading down there, you're
out of luck. Wait till the twenty third of September,
two weeks from today, will be down there. I can't wait. Okay,
we'll take a break. We'll come back. Coming up next
Mike Sandal first Pick six column of the year. New

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coaches all around the NFL. Some did well, some did not.

Speaker 5 (01:16:07):
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Meg MacDonald era Underway Seahawks twenty six to twenty win
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to one to seventy one a touchdown, ran for one
as well, did throw one interception. Ken Walker twenty carries
one hundred and three yards, says he's a little banged
up but should be okay this week. We'll find out.
On Wednesday, Tyler Lockett led the receiving course six reception

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seventy seven yards. MS took two or three from the
Cardinals of the weekend. They are now four and a
half back of the Astros in the AL West, tied
with the Tigers in the wildcard race, three and a
half games out of the final wildcard spot in the
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Pre game here on ninety three point three kJ FM.
I'm told only thirty six thousand seats have been sold
only second that's half the stadium. Not good, that's awful, yeah,
and but to be honest with you, not unexpected. So
there we go. We'll talk about that later. We've got
our cool ground table coming up. Tomorrow, but right now,

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Mike sandal first Pick six column of the year, read
it this morning, has always loved it. Time to break
it all down with him.

Speaker 5 (01:17:30):
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Speaker 1 (01:17:52):
Mike Sando, how are you today, my friend, happy Monday
of the first Monday, the first NFLCA of the NFL season.

Speaker 8 (01:17:57):
How are you?

Speaker 2 (01:17:58):
I'm doing great.

Speaker 8 (01:17:59):
Thanks. Always love it when we get back into the
season and we can watch the football and it just
feels right.

Speaker 1 (01:18:04):
It does feel right. I need you to take me
behind the curtain for a second. And I think others
would find this interesting as well, because as a reader
Pick six column and there's a massive amount of information
in there, like a ton of information in there from
games historically speaking, stats that are hard to find and etc.
And you've got, you know, all these games going on

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over on a Sunday as well. What does Mike Sando
do on a Sunday, like how many TVs? How many screens?
And when does the pick six columns start to get written?
Because I thought of that yesterday I was home, got
home from a road trip to watch my kid play
in Minnesota, and so I wasn't at the game yesterday,
and I was for the first time, I don't know
how long, watching a Sea How game at home and

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red zone on a computer, and I was overwhelmed by that.
I'm thinking to myself, how the hell does Sando do it?

Speaker 8 (01:18:52):
Well, it's a perpetual state of panic on Sunday. Let
me tell you. I really try to put I do.
But thought in during the week, you're thinking through certain things.
We know the schedule, so there's there's different things you're
thinking about your researching. I always like to have one
or two things in my back pocket that maybe I
can start to write ahead of time, and so this

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week I had a little item on Dion Sanders. Well,
I'm not going to be doing that at ten pm
on Sunday night, right, I gotta get that thing done,
you know. I try to even get working a little
bit of that on maybe on Saturday, and then Sunday
I come into the office about six in the morning,
which is great because you get a good four hours
before the games start, so I can make phone calls,
like it's quiet in my office, I can do some research,

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get organized. But as a day goes on and the
games start, it's really hard to you know, watch the games.
So I have I guess I have four screens here,
but I really put about four games on, you know,
in that four box window. And I usually have the
red zone audios so I can hear that and then
turn that off if I'm on the phone or doing

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I do some radio stuff or whatever. But man, by
the time, like I always.

Speaker 2 (01:20:03):
Feel like.

Speaker 8 (01:20:06):
I hate the feeling of like the night game is
starting and I and I'm behind, Like you don't occasionally
you may not know what your lead's going to be yet,
or you haven't written very much, and that is just
you know, invigorating and scary feeling. I pushed my editor
you a lot of times. We'll file it thing, We'll

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finishing touches at one in the morning, so you can
go six am to one am, you know, in the office,
it's a real rush. And then and then monday's a
little bit of a recovery day, you know, really where
I just kind of I go back and actually watch
some of the games a little more closely, like I
did for the Seahawks for this show. I went through
and flipped through some of them. I watched their game.
But you know, with that many games going on and

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that much of writing, you can't just watch every moment
of every game and have a great feeling for all
of them, right.

Speaker 2 (01:20:55):
So that's kind of the challenge.

Speaker 1 (01:20:56):
I just think, well, listen, there's a ton I don't
say this just because you're on our show. I've known
you for a long time. I know the work you
put in. There's a lot of different ways and places
and people do. There's some great stuff out there, you know.
I mean when Peter King was still writing, and certainly
Albert does the money money in football, the quarterback all.
There's a lot of great stuff out there. I find
your is just unique and the perspective is different. It's

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not the norm that you read everywhere else.

Speaker 2 (01:21:18):
And that's why I like it.

Speaker 1 (01:21:19):
And I'm going to get to I'm glad you talked
about the Seahawks. We'll get to that in a second.
McDonald's debut, along with another a number of other head
coaches and Ryan Grubb's debut, along with another a bunch
of offensive coordinator which wrote broke down. But let's just
start first because we have a contender, maybe even two
that are playing tonight Jets in San Francisco. But you
did read you've covered this league forever. Week one is

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week one. We see things that are strange and weird
and then they all kind of settle down. But you
did write about this. You know what, what did we
find out about some of the contending teams in the
National Football League this year? What did we find out
about some of the contenders.

Speaker 8 (01:21:54):
Yeah, I feel like I feel better about the Chiefs,
a little worse about the Ravens, just in terms of
where their offense is and go based on what they
have a receiver. You know, Mark Andrews did not look
right for Baltimore. They do have Isaiah Likely, just not
sure in they're a wide receiver group. Who's going to
really grow that? And when we saw Exavier Worthy and
we're still going to see Hollywood Brown on the On

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the Chiefs, I think they have a potential to grow
that we haven't seen before. You know, I noticed that
Houston to me with their MS on the run game
was just a reminder. We spent the whole off season
talking about C. J. Stroud, But they're a defensive group
with a Shanahan offense. That's awesome when you can rush
for two hundred yards, you know, in a game. And

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they got Joe Mixon, so that stood up to me.
I think they're just kind of a fundamentally solid team,
not just a quarterback. So you know, those were a
handful of things that I looked at. Cowboys I thought
were interesting because of the way Jerry Jones handles that
team for them to get Dak Prescott done and just
leave Mike McCarthy as the only guy out there that

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has to take some kind of a toll over the
course of the season or or come to a head
in some way. So great start for them, but that's
kind of something that I think, you know, is going
to be a factor at some point.

Speaker 1 (01:23:10):
Did you enjoy the New York Giants looking like the
Montreal Canadians Like? Uh, I mean that was those jerseys? Wow,
that was that was something I gotta tell you right.

Speaker 8 (01:23:18):
There was an unbelievably unrepeatable uh tweet.

Speaker 6 (01:23:24):
It was.

Speaker 8 (01:23:24):
It was very funny. Can't I can't I couldn't recall
exactly what was something about a Giants a Giants jersey
kind of mating with a Montreal Canadians jersey, and it
was it was really not an appropriate joke, Okay, it was.
It was actually very funny. It was very funny wherever

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I saw that on Twitter, Yeah, I'm not sure what
that was. It's it's been a weird year for the
Giants with being on Hard Knocks.

Speaker 1 (01:23:52):
Yes, you wrote about that, about that, you got to
read that some good stuff because how different when things
have been right, how different things might have been without
Hard Knocks, with the with the Giants along the way,
And yeah, they probably didn't like seeing Sequon Barkley find
his way too. The end zone knew what he did
the other day.

Speaker 8 (01:24:07):
So that's one of the things I brought up in
there that I think is I love this part of
how the game works. You know, the owner of the
Giants made it clear on Hard Knocks he did not
want to lose Saquon Barkley. You could feel that tension
between him and the gm and so they end up
letting Berkeley leave and you can see the owner of
Mara goes out of the room kind of in a

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huff almost he's not happy. But one of the comments
that you included in there from somebody I spoke with
earlier was in the league, was just maybe John Marra
intervenes and stops that if there's not cameras, you know,
no owner wants to be seen as meddling.

Speaker 1 (01:24:44):
Right.

Speaker 8 (01:24:44):
Is that interesting? Like did the presence of the camera,
how did it affect maybe a team's offseason?

Speaker 1 (01:24:49):
I think that's is fascinating. The let's talk about the
coaches new head coach epa scorecard and using that a
jut along the way Harbaugh, Mayo McDonald, the three guys
that won, so new coaches were three and four yesterday.
What jumped out at you about that.

Speaker 8 (01:25:10):
Well, just how bad most of their offenses were. I
think if you're a new coach, you're probably not taking
over Mahomes's team, right, you know, it's probably the Probably
the main reasons that job was open was because you
didn't have necessarily a great offense or you're in transition.
But I do think it was a little bit surprising
that Jim Harbaugh's offense was, you know, really showed some

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really good things on the offensive line, but statistically was
not as productive as you might think. And then same
thing really for Seattle. They really got it going in
the second half, but that was a really tough start
for them. So I think those are two teams out
of this group that you're going to see definite probably
some offensive improvement, they just didn't play to their level.

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But man, some of these teams really played the defense,
and I feel like, you know, out of the gates,
probably offenses at a disadvantaged sometimes. Anyway, there's a lot
of young quarterbacks playing. I believe this was the third
youngest opening week of starting quarterbacks since the nineteen seventy merger.
Last year was the youngest, So some of those things

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kind of go together. But yeah, the if you're the
owner of the Panthers and you watch your team that
had a Vegas preseason win total of four and a
half lose by thirty seven to the Saints, who people
think everyone's gonna get fired from, right, while New England,

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whose Vegas win totals about the same as yours maybe
five and a half, goes and wins at Cincinnati, what
do you think if you're that Panther owner. Isn't that interesting?

Speaker 1 (01:26:42):
Very I mean, it's just, yes, Yes, the imagine one of.

Speaker 8 (01:26:46):
These teams and your egos into it for these guys
that are billionaires and you're so excited for game day
and you lose by thirty seven to the Saints.

Speaker 1 (01:26:55):
That was, I think, of all things Dave Canalis, Yeah,
it was who I love. I think we all like Dave,
but that was that was a rough and along way
that The hardball one was interesting because offensively, I mean
they just it was pound the football day, right, Like
You've got Justin Herbert and you're just like, We're going
to smash play smash mouth with you, and our defense
is going to dominate.

Speaker 8 (01:27:13):
Thanks for coming, which is crazy to think that their
defense would be able to But you know, the the
Raiders were the only people I think in the world
who thought going in and getting Gardner Minshew. We like
Gardner Minshew, but it probably as a backup, yes was
going to be the way to compete with Justin Herbert
and Patrick Mahomes in the AFC West. So they are

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going to have some ups and lots of downs, probably
on offense this year as a whole, and we saw
that yesterday was just some really big bad plays with turnovers.

Speaker 1 (01:27:43):
Really bat along the way, explain once again what EPA means,
because that'll lead us into the offensive coordinators.

Speaker 8 (01:27:50):
So traditionally we have always relied on points and yards
basically to tell it, to say how well you have done. Okay,
allows you to know that seven yards is a lot
more valuable on third and five than on third and seventeen. Right,
every yard is not created equally, so we know how

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much more likely you are to score. Statistically after each play,
if you have first and goal from the one yard line, Ian,
what's your expected scoring on this drive? Probably six or seven? Right,
first and goal. Yes, what happens if we fumble the
ball and the other team returns up for a touchdown?

Speaker 1 (01:28:32):
I think we would go with a minus six or seven.

Speaker 8 (01:28:33):
Mike Well, from a plus six expectation to a minus six,
that one play could cost you twelve on your offense. Okay,
So EPA is a on every play. It's like a
little bit of a tally. That's saying, oh, we gained
about one point on that one. We lost five on

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that fumble, and at the end of the game. If
you do that for offense, defense, and special teams, you
get a much more more accurate picture of how each
contributed to winning as opposed to, Hey, the Buccaneers allowed
a bunch of yards yesterday, Yeah, but they were up
by sit you know, however they got those yards may.

Speaker 6 (01:29:12):
Not be equal.

Speaker 8 (01:29:13):
So I like it for that way. And then you
can also divide out the special teams to see, you
know what impact that it was like for the Seahawks yesterday,
they were more than a touchdown and the negative on
offense and on special teams. So if you if your
defense was just average and you're a touchdown below on
offense and special teams, you're gonna lose by fourteen points.

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It all equates to scoring. But they're so high on
the defensive side they end up winning the game by six.
And so when we break it out that way that hey,
you're minus eight on offense, plus twenty four on defense,
minus nine on special teams. That's a great way to
just kind of see how the game went. It usually
matches up very much with what we saw. Whereas if

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you look at a twenty six to twenty final score,
normally there's a lot of ways to get there that
may not it could be different, right.

Speaker 1 (01:30:03):
Well, And for example, there was five first time play
callers in the in the NFL yesterday and those first
time play callers went three and two. But only one
of those first time play callers had an offensive EPA
in the negative. That was Ryan Grubb. As Mike mentioned,
he alluded to it. He's minus eight point six, Quid
Kubiak and in the New Orleans plus twelve point five,

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Liam Cohne right almost seventeen, plus sixteen point.

Speaker 8 (01:30:27):
Zach Robinson and Baron Callahan were negative too. They were worse.

Speaker 1 (01:30:30):
Yeah, but they didn't win. They didn't win. G Oh, yeah,
Grubs only got one. Yeah, Grubs only got one. The
new head coach EPA scorebook score card. The three guys
at won. It was interesting because we just kind of
talked about Mike McDonald minus eight point six offense but
the and minus nine point four on special teams never
win doing that. But they were plus twenty four on defense.

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The Seahawks who had all these returning stars on offense,
Mike and all these guys on defense that were here
last year when they were one of the bottom third
teams in almost every category, and they won with a
plus twenty four on the defensive EPA. Who saw that
one coming?

Speaker 8 (01:31:09):
Yeah, Well, the only way you would see that coming.
Is if you thought bo Nix is going to be
super limited with the Denver offense and at Seattle at
home with a much more organized defense, you know, that
was kind of hopefully from a Seattle perspective, I thought
they could get after him. But twenty four is a
real big extreme because think of it this way, if
you're just average, you're going to be zero. So basically

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they were over three touchdowns better than expected. On defense.
That's really really rare, Like even great defenses may not
even do that in a whole season. So it's a
great way to win it. There's a lot of ways
to win a game, but the EPA helps us, especially
if you didn't watch the game, you know, to look
across the whole league. That helps me know how it went,

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you know, and I can look at I can look
at Atlanta here and say, you know what, it's their defense,
their offensive special teams lost the game. And then you
you go watch their game and you go, sure enough,
their offense had these turnovers. Defense was pretty good.

Speaker 1 (01:32:08):
Dan Quinn's a defensive coach. He was minus sixteen point
nine on defense and nine point three plus nine point
three on offense, but not minus nine point four on
special teams, and.

Speaker 8 (01:32:16):
Yes, you know, I'm I'm a numbers geek. I like it,
and so I've tried. It's kind of one of the
nice things about the fact that I think more and
more people are open and eager to kind of understand
new things. And if you, even if you couldn't explain
exactly how EBA works, and you know, you're not even
necessarily interested in explaining it, if you can see these

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things relative to each other and understand it, especially when
you put what you see with your own two eyes
there and mesh it together, it can create a little
bit more precise understanding of why the games were one
and the loss.

Speaker 1 (01:32:50):
Nor Bud Dave Kanalis minus nineteen point one offense, minus
twelve point five defense, minus five point four on special teams.
They lost forty seven to ten, and just a debacles Mike, Okay,
I thought on from you watching in that Seattle game
they win twenty six to twenty. They went it frankly
because the defense was spectacular and the offense got a
little better in the second half enough so or were

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they final finally scored some points? But what were your
first impressions of the Mike McDonald's Seahawk era.

Speaker 8 (01:33:18):
Yeah, it was very shaky on offense to start. But
you know, one of the things I noticed, and I'm
not through the every single play of the game, I
think they might have found a center. I think Connor
Williams looks good and he's coming back off of the
ACL So I thought that just watching this probably you know,
two thirds of the way through the game, that seemed
to be nice. He seemed to be a really good

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addition to them. I think they're good at left tackle
probably and we'll see what happens at the card spots,
but you know, that's an important position. So I noticed that,
you know, bigger picture, I think defensively they really had
a purpose. I think they were sort of re energized
probably by having a new direction on defense. They tackled
pretty well. They just see to be pretty on point

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for most of the game, defenially playing with purpose. So
I thought that was a little bit new from where
they had been in the last couple of years. And
see if it carries over from week to week. But
I know that's going to be a huge point of
emphasis for their coach, who's really super dialed into you know,
on a play level of the defense, so you would
think that would probably continue.

Speaker 1 (01:34:25):
Jared Mayo, who the Seahawks are going to see this
week with New England one of the bigger surprises this
weekend and what they did to Cincinnati. But you pointed
it out. I'm trying to read into this, especially as
you've articulated in the pick six callm Mike Mike Sander
with the athletic joining us, is that Cincinnati looking awful
early is kind of typical, right like that, maybe that
isn't the biggest surprise, even with you know, the post

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Belichick era starting with I mean, first of all, ground
and pound attack that was crazy good for New England.
But that's kind of Cincinnati's. M all right, it is.

Speaker 8 (01:34:56):
But I'm so surprised. I mean, I just didn't think
very much of the Patriot so good for them. But yes,
the the Bengals with Joe Burrow starting the last I
think twenty twenty one, two three four, So the last
four years they're averaging like under twenty points a game
on offense, and then that goes way up to you know,
twenty five twenty six higher the rest of the year.

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So they've started slow before It's still a little concerning
because you never know. It's real easy to say this
is some kind of a pattern, but it doesn't guarantee
it's going to get better. Right, They have some issues
on their team. I think, you know what is not
getting a deal done with Jamar Chase mean to the
locker room, to Chase. I don't know, I don't know,
but the usually when you have a great player like that,

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the you know, they took care of Joe Burrow. I
think you know, you could get a little bit of
a boost if you're taking care of Jamar Chase. He
seems like a you know, the exact type of guy
you'd want to you'd want to build around. What could
the hang up be there? Defensively, they haven't been as
good for a while a little bit, and so their
run defensive suspect. They lost DJ Reader in free agency.

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He was injured, but he went to Desroight and the
Lions think he's going to be a huge part of
their run defense as the season goes along. So, you know,
I think you are going to just have faith that
it's Joe Burrow and have faith that it's uh, you know,
Jamar Chase. As the season goes on, but it's still alarming.
And from a Seattle standpoint, that gets your tension. You know,
you're if they had gone, if the Patriots had gone

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and played like the Panthers, did you know, you might
be putting this one down as a as a sure win.
But as we saw there, you know, New England showed up.

Speaker 1 (01:36:28):
Uh, what's our what's Mike Mike Sandal watching with a
Monday night game tonight?

Speaker 8 (01:36:34):
Well, I just think we have to be watching Aaron Rodgers.
But I'm all I'm interested in Aaron Rodgers. Uh. And
the playing surface. You know, it's a it's a it's
a grass field. They used to have some issues at
that stadium and night gets slick, that sort of a thing.
I think it's been better lately.

Speaker 4 (01:36:50):
Uh.

Speaker 8 (01:36:51):
But Rogers, footing, Rogers, movement ability, Rogers, just comfort in
the pocket, Rogers when uh, there's pressure bearing down on him.
Is he's standing in there and firing. Is he kind
of turning his back away to not take the hit?
Is he you know, is he limping around a little
bit because he's not that mobile. We saw like Matthew Stafford,

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you know, limping around a little bit yesterday. So I
think it's all all on just our curiosity of Rogers.
What's he going to do against a good team, a
good defense on a surface he doesn't play on that
much at night. Who knows what the new conditions are,
you know, those sorts of things. That's what I want
to see.

Speaker 1 (01:37:30):
Yeah, I think that the turf is better than it
has been, but that is a little different. It's interesting
that that's I kind of tend to agree with you.
It's going to be seeing what this guy's all about.
It's going to be fun. Plus the forty nine ers,
how do they use AUK? And I'm still trying to
figure out how they get all those guys into the
salary count. But we will look for the pick six
column every Monday in the Athletic. The Athletic dot com,

(01:37:50):
Mike does a great job with it. Just click on
the NFL tabage usually the first thing up there. Easy
to find great stuff. Michael, talk to you next week
and only know what the morning so later on this
week look forward to that conversation as well.

Speaker 8 (01:38:00):
Thank you.

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Good to be back. There we go.

Speaker 1 (01:38:01):
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on the beacon Plumbing hotline all We're moments away, Yes,
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