BIG FACTS feat. Brother Nuri Muhammad

Brother Nuri Muhammad joins Big Facts for a powerful build on spirituality, religion, and unity. He breaks down the misconceptions around the Nation of Islam, the truths and illusions within Christianity, the legacy of the Million Man March, and the teachings of Elijah Muhammad and Louis Farrakhan.

A high-frequency episode for those seeking clarity, knowledge, and perspective.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
Big Bank.

Speaker 2 (00:02):
DJ Scream bring you Big Facts, number one podcast in
the street.

Speaker 3 (00:08):
Live from Valse Studios in the atl It's time for
Big Facts, Big Bank.

Speaker 1 (00:12):
What up?

Speaker 3 (00:12):
DJ Scream, I'm here and we probably welcome today brother
Lurie Muhammad on Big Facts.

Speaker 4 (00:17):
So what's up? What's up? Thanks, what's up?

Speaker 1 (00:19):
My brother?

Speaker 3 (00:19):
Thanks for coming to join us today. How you doing?

Speaker 4 (00:21):
How you doing?

Speaker 1 (00:22):
I'm good by the grace of God and honored to
share space and time with you and my brother Big Bank.
It's an honor, man, and finally get this chance to
do this.

Speaker 4 (00:31):
We've been waiting on this for a minute.

Speaker 1 (00:33):
Yes, most definitely. Man.

Speaker 3 (00:35):
Let's let's start off top man. Let's talk about how
you found a nation of Islam. Let's talk a little
bit about that journey and how you transition from because
I think at some point you were kind of in
the streets too and hustling and doing some different things,
and you eventually found a nation of Islam.

Speaker 4 (00:49):
Let's talk a little bit about that.

Speaker 1 (00:51):
Yes, sir, well, you know the traditional introduction black people.
What happened was right, but you know, coming from you
know where I live. If that's everybody, that's all everybody
did was hustle. So you you know, ghetto boys used
to have a song that said that the world is
a ghetto, but when you in the ghetto, the ghetto
becomes your world. So whatever's happening in that environment, whatever

(01:13):
goes on around you, goes in you. So I was
in it and uh medelne you know, and end up
meeting a young sister as a fourteen year old little
brother had already been messing around in the streets since
I was eleven, and she introduced me to two tapes
by Minisa far Khan in a book by Deanna Bilaja

(01:36):
Muhamma call Messed to the Black Man. I never read it.
It took like a year or two, but I felt
so ashamed because I was on the phone with her,
you know, at night, and and all she keeps talking
about was black people struggle and God, I'm like, I
don't even know how to have a conversation. I guess
I better read. So when I cracked open that book,
you know, my mind said to me, then this is

(01:58):
what I've believed all of my life. I just didn't
know how to say it. And I committed myself to
the study of it and became a member of the
nation when I was seventeen, and rest is history.

Speaker 4 (02:12):
Let me ask you something, do you think by her
introducing it to you? And that was the first because
that was the first basically religion he was introduced to.

Speaker 1 (02:21):
I was in the church as a youngster, but I
was not a believer like that, Okay. I tried to
be yeah, and to be honest the first so long
story short, I was. I had stopped hustling because I
didn't like the way it felt. I didn't like the
hearing of a siren and feel like I go to

(02:43):
jail for something and I didn't like that. I felt
like every time I was giving something to kill my people,
I was dying on the inside and I was using
losing love for what I should love, including my family.
So I said, I'm through, I'm done. I'm done. And
the truth is, I was sitting on the porch. Back then,
y'all know about no pagers and beepers and stuff. We

(03:04):
had pagers. I said, you know what, I'm turning the
pager off today. And I was sitting on the porch
and a thought came to my mind, and it said,
what were the dope things doing when they were your age?
And instead of going to serve, I went to the
trap House liquor store. Everywhere we serve, and I just

(03:25):
start interviewing the people we were serving. And I asked him,
what was you doing when you was my age? We
was getting money just like you. I said, what you
mean getting money cutting grass, painting house? What was you
talking about? He said no, he was hustling. I said,
so you're telling me that you used to be selling
dope and now you own dope. Yeah. And it downed
on me that if I'm doing what they're doing when

(03:45):
they were my age, I'm in the route to be
doing what they're doing when I become their age. And
I said, I got to renegotiate my contract with life
and I quit, but the police start looking for me.
I moved to another side of town, silent for a
whole three moss and after I quit. But then then
then at that time, I ended up being introduced to

(04:10):
the Nation. But I started off going to church.

Speaker 4 (04:12):
Before, after using the streets at first. After you left
the streets, then you found the nation.

Speaker 1 (04:18):
Found nation after I didn't even know anything about the Nation.
I was mad at my mom. I'm like, you mean
telling me you never bought a bean pile. Nothing out
of paper or nothing. You not can tell me something.
But I started going back to church to try to
get myself strong enough to resist the pull of the streets.
Anybody that's been in the streets know that. You know,
they're saying that get two birds with one stone. That's

(04:40):
why they must have called it cracked rock, because it
gets two people with one stone. That's one to make
an added to the drugs. The other one was addicted
to The money just as hard to stop selling as
it is to stop using. So I'm trying to stop selling,
but I'm still feeling the pool, you know. Yeah, you're
talking about fifteen years old. I was. I was three
five thousand dollars a week, fifteen years old, sixteen years old,

(05:03):
so that that kind of money, you know, changes things.
And so I started going to church, but I didn't
feel like I was getting the strength to resist the
pool of the streets. And at that time God sent
my then girlfriend who now is my wife, okay, and
we've been together since we were fourteen years of age

(05:24):
and married since we were nineteen years of age, and
she introduced me to it, and I started getting the strength,
and you know, I went from selling dope to selling hope.

Speaker 4 (05:34):
So you thank God since you a wife and your
way of life at the same time.

Speaker 1 (05:40):
Yes, I believe. So, you know, my youngest daughter asked
me one time, but she said, Daddy, because they they went.
They went to our school all their life, to high school,
and in high school, they went to the school that
the world was going to. And when they got there,
everybody that was in the school were the children of

(06:01):
the people I grew up with. Now, keep in mind,
I was when I was in the streets. Thirteen of
my closest friends they got indicted and gay. All of
them was given life by the time I was eighteen
years old, and some of them are still in jail
right now. They went in in ninety five and still

(06:21):
in there right now. But after you know, them going
the way that they went and I'm out, I end
up making my mind up that you know, I'm done
with it, and you know, the rest became history.

Speaker 3 (06:39):
What is the current message to the black man? Because
we've read message to the black man, but what do
you think the current message to the black man is
in the current state that we are in society right
now in America, particularly.

Speaker 1 (06:52):
It's unfortunately it's the same call on just a different day.
The honor by Lajah Muhammed made this revolutionary observation. He
said that that ninety five percent of our problems could
be solved if we would just unite. And if you
look in every generation, I don't care what generation you

(07:13):
go to, whoever grew up in the eighties and nineties, seventies, fifties.
Every time you meet anybody that they say, all we
got to do is tonight come together. And that's been
the universal code, which really is a solution. Our problem, though,
is that we have a misunderstood word, you know. We Yeah.
So you know, if you're reading a book and you
come across a word you don't understand. If you don't

(07:34):
stop and get your dictionary and clear that word, everything
you read from that point become a boy.

Speaker 4 (07:38):
Yeah, you can throw the whole the whole, Yeah, And.

Speaker 1 (07:40):
You end up spending two hours reading and don't remember
nothing except for the five minutes before you came. But
but so in life, because as a people, we have
a misunderstood word. When we say unity, it's drawn a
blank in our struggle. So we say unity, but we're
thinking uniformity. We're thinking everybody, they got to do the
same thing in the same way, the same place, at

(08:02):
the same time, worship in the same spot, dressed the
same way. And that's not going to happen. That's a mathematical,
biological impossibility. There's not even two snowflakes that are alike,
No blades of grass. We got our own fingerprint, pupil
on voice spot. There's no such thing as uniformity that
exists exactly, so any difference between but that's how we

(08:24):
promote it. So you know, it's it's that you know,
God bless my religion and nobody else.

Speaker 4 (08:29):
You're saying, we all got to be the same. We
can do the same we can work for the same direction.

Speaker 1 (08:33):
That's the way the body was created. So there's a
verse in the Koran that says that surely there's a
message in creation for those who believe, and then another
verse says that God created man in the best of modes.
So if you study the way the anatomy of the
human body is, you have all these different organs that
do different things at different places at a different time,

(08:54):
but for one common cause, the survival of the organism.
Fact the kidneys don't look like the lungs. The lung
don't do what the heart does. The heart doesn't do
with the brain. The brain doesn't do di spleen. All
of them do different things at different place at a
different time, but for one common call. That's what unity
looks like. So I wonder what would happen if our
organizations start working like that, organizations doing what you So

(09:18):
take your mission statement, NAACP Urban League, take your mission statement,
sorority fraternity, take your mission statement of whatever lodge you go,
whatever that mission statement is, fulfil your function as that
organ and let's do what we do for the survival
of this one black organism. The second side of the

(09:39):
unity piece that's missing is that we only talk when
we think unity. We think about brothers coming together with
brothers or sisters and brothers coming together all on the horizontal.
But there has to be a vertical too. We can't
just come together with each other. We got to come
together with God and principles facts. So if I come together,
if we come together, how can I be in unity?

(10:00):
The child molester? How am I gonna be a unity
with a thief? How am I gonna How we gonna
work together whenever you might try to take my daughter
or my wife, so that there has to be a
vertical unity where we united with God and principle.

Speaker 4 (10:13):
So so some people got to be weeded out at at.

Speaker 1 (10:16):
It's going to be a natural process, you know. Scripture
says that when the Messiah comes, that he will come
like a shepherd, and he would divide up nations the
way that a shepherd divides up sheep from goat.

Speaker 4 (10:30):
Hold up, hold now, you said said one more time.

Speaker 1 (10:35):
That when the Messiah comes, that he will come to
as a shepherd, and he would divide up nations the
way that a shepherd divides up sheep from goat. Now,
if you look at the characteristics of a sheep and
the characteristics of a goat, and you superimpose that on
a human being, sheep is a humble and submissive animal.

(10:56):
Goat are very mischief making evil, and in fact, in
the symbol of devil worship is a goat. The symbol
of devil worship is a circle with an upside down
five point star, and the upside down five point star
is really a outline of the head of a goat.
So you have the bottom of the point at the
star that's the chin or the gold tee of the goat.

(11:19):
Then you have the top the horns, and then you
have the whiskers. So upside down five point star symbol
of work. So goat represents a mischief type person. So
whenever you're dealing with God, he talks about a time
in scripture called harvest time where he'll separate the sheep
from the goat. He said, he will crush those that
are a goat like in his left hand, and he

(11:41):
will exalt those that are like the sheep in his
right hand and take them to the place of eminence.
So you know they unfortunately, it will have to be
a weeding out. If you're not willing to have the
unity on the vertical, we're not gonna be able to
be with you on the horizontal.

Speaker 3 (12:00):
What part do you think though religion plays in our
divide in our community.

Speaker 1 (12:06):
It is another tool of the enemy. See this is
what's going on when you look at the Bible in
the Koran. If you just was to do a consolidation
and synthesize it, God's mathematics is always addition in multiplication.
The Devil's mathematics is always subtraction and division. So anything,

(12:28):
even if it's religion, if it produces division, that's a
sign that that is the playbook of Satan himself. Just
the fact that we call them denominations should have told
us something was wrong. D nomination. The prefix d means
to divide, Nami in Latin means name, So a denomination

(12:52):
is when you divide up a nation by using different names.
Anyone that in our view and audience, that can google
a man named Willy Lynch. There were three primary hierarchies
in slavery. Slave trader, slave maker, slave master. Willie Lynch
was a man from the West Indies hired by the

(13:14):
slave masters and makers of America in seventeen twelve. All
this man said, look what he said he did. He said,
I've outlined the number of differences among the slaves, and
I make them bigger than what they really are. And
he named eleven different things. And he said, if you
implement these eleven different natural differences that they have with
each other and convert them into unnatural divisions. Age, young

(13:39):
versus old, male versus female, light versus dark, short versus tall, small,
plantation at odds with big plantation East coast, West coast,
no Tupakin. Biggie didn't thought that as Willie Lynch started that.
And look what he said, eleven. If you implement it,
it'll be self refuel and self perpetuat. In other words,
he said, I know how to make a self driving negro,

(14:01):
I know how to make a wireless slave. They'll keep
themselves in check for three hundred years. Well, if eleven
things that we call ourselves other than being what we are,
produces three hundred years of division, all you gotta do
is look at the math. Eleven produces three hundred. That
means every division we have produces twenty seven years, three months,

(14:23):
and seven days of us being disconnected from one another.
How many do we have now? Now? I'm Capital, I'm Q,
I'm Delta, I'm Aka, I'm Church of God in Christ.
I'm Church of God without Christ. I'm Church of Christ
without God. Not literally, but but we got I'm hesbien La,
I'm Sunni, I'm Soufi, I'm Site, I'm Hebrewism. All these

(14:43):
new labels, and ain't nothing wrong with keeping them as
a secondary label. But the primary thing we should be
calling ourselves is in Psalms A two verse six years
all God's children of the most hot God. We are
all a member of the Creator's nation.

Speaker 4 (14:59):
Makes you up. So do you feel as if though,
because some people feel like if they if you don't
get to God the way they get to God, you're
not going to heaven, right, yeah, like most people feel.
Do you do you feel like that, like if people
don't get to God through y'all teachings, that they won't
get to heaven.

Speaker 1 (15:16):
I believe that if you really have the true thing,
if you're a part of anything and you're true to it,
it's going to get you to the true spot anyway, exactly.
So the the honorable Minesuluis Farkas said this one time.
He said that five plus two is seven, and so
it's four plus three, and so it's six plus one exactly.

(15:37):
So what difference does it matter what math equation you use.
The goal is to get to seven, that's the goal.
So we don't we don't believe that Islam is a religion.
We believe it is a way of life. It's the
nature in which we are created. So we take a
cosmopolitan approach to faith. We believe in Moses and the

(16:02):
Torah or the Old Testament. We believe in Jesus and
the Gospel, and Muhammad and Holy Karan. We believe in
every messenger, every one or every prophet and every word
that came from all of them, in addition to Muhammad.
So because of that, that cosmopolitan approach we have by
study of us, we have a higher transformation ratio than

(16:23):
you see among most faiths when it comes to intelligence, discipline, cleanliness, righteousness,
or service to the people of God. Look at the
way the nation operates were outside of the traditional denominationalism
and the you know, I don't even call it Christianity.
I call it Churchianity because it's more ritual than it

(16:48):
is the faith, and it's more white supremacy in it
than it is the Word of God. I did a
lecture one time, big bang. It's called Christianity versus the Bible.
Shouldn't even be able to do that. But but but
in it we highlighted seventy one different things that are
in the scripture of the Bible that is different than

(17:09):
what most people are teaching inside side of the church.
That's a hell of a thing. But you can't tell
me that this is the source of your faith and
you are practicing something something and it's what we used
to say in the streets. They put some cut on
it be twelve and they re rocked.

Speaker 4 (17:34):
The rerock back to us.

Speaker 1 (17:37):
And we've been taking a hit and it ain't been
getting high. We're reading about how high they I mean,
how great they will be coming off the word when
we read it, but we haven't become so it's been
it's been watered down. So we believe that you have
to step outside of the traditional ritual and look at

(17:58):
what it represents. So we got people getting you know,
I mean, you get dipped in a baby swimming pool
at the back of the church, and that's all you
gotta do. I just got a canfacity. No, it's it's
it's much deeper than that.

Speaker 4 (18:10):
It iss your path. It's the path you walk, right,
That's right, that's right. Yeah, it's how you move on
your journey.

Speaker 1 (18:17):
They say anything else when I got.

Speaker 4 (18:22):
What you think the biggest what you think the biggest
issue is for like the black community, like the biggest
issue over all besides unity, that would.

Speaker 1 (18:35):
Be I mean that that's so big, man, because if
if it's off ninety five percent of our problems, if
we just got that right, the other five percent would
probably just fade into the darkness. But on the other
side of the equation, I think that our association has
breeded an assimilation. We've been among our enemy for so

(18:57):
long that we've adopted everything that our enemy has given us.
We we worship what they said to worship, We wear
the names that they gave us. We eat like they
taught us to eat. So we've lost our name, our culture,
our religion, more waste, folk, waste norms, land, god customs.
We lost everything of essential and we our association is

(19:20):
breeded in assimilation. So, just like in the hood, whatever
goes on around you goes in you. On a bigger scale,
what's been going on around us since we've been kidnapped
and made slaves, we've been we've been westernized and Caucasianized
by the enemy. And now we are to each other
what they used to be to us, worse and worse

(19:43):
because we're closer and we as right and we and
we and we have such a deeply rooted trained self.

Speaker 4 (19:51):
Hatred yep, and we come in ways as friends and family,
you know what I'm saying. So so we kind of
get you with your guard down a little bit.

Speaker 1 (19:58):
More and that's what and that and that's what happens.
But and so, and look at how we train. You know,
there's nothing that we are given, whether it's a mental
or a physical diet, that does not promote us being
against each other. Even the food we eat turns us
against each other. Think about this. Do you know that

(20:19):
a pig is a grafted animal. It's three animals put together.
It's a cat, rat and a dog. It was a
eugenics experiment that mixed the cat, rat and dog genetic
makeup to produce the pig. Think about that cat, rat
and dog. That's what Deanna Bilajah Muhammad said to us.

(20:39):
Cat rat and dog scientists invented the pig cat rat,
and look at it. Think about it?

Speaker 4 (20:47):
Does it?

Speaker 1 (20:48):
Does it look like a rat a little bit, barks
like a dog. Look at the boar the original pig,
fast and frisky like a cat. In the Bible, in
the Book of Isaiah, it tells when it starts talking
about out the pig, it talks about the swine and
the mouse because it's connected together. But if you have
inside of a swine, pig, a cat, rat, and dog,

(21:12):
these are natural enemies. If one another, dogs chase cats.
Cats chaste chase rats. So the nature of a pig
is self conflicted. So if I'm eating it, and you
are what you eat, then I by proxy become self conflicted.
So by eating a self conflicted natured animal, I become

(21:36):
a self conflicted person. So it's easy for me to
hurt and kill my brother, or even hurt and kill
myself because I'm eating that which is self conflicted, So
I become self conflicted. So that's that's the that's some
of the math that has us, and that's why the
scripture tells us in Deuteronomy fourteen and seven and the
Veticus fourteen and six and Levetics eleven and said, don't

(21:59):
even touch the pig, because even touching it there's microscopic
maggots called traquina worms. They're they're so small they can
go in through the pores of your skin, and they
began to eat your digestive fluids, go into your ardis,
climb your spine, getting the brain, eat the brain cells,
sounding mental power. So when the slave master gave us

(22:23):
a diet, they made sure give the slaves swine because
it gives them calories to work. But it's going to
kill their brain, making it easy for them to be
made a slave. And if they eat a self conflicted animal,
they become self conflicted. So I don't have to fight
and kill them. They're fight and kill each other. Thus
here we.

Speaker 3 (22:42):
Are, yeh man big shout out to the honorable Minister
Lewis Farakahn.

Speaker 4 (22:48):
Did you go to the first millionaire March?

Speaker 1 (22:51):
I did? I was. I was nineteen years of age
and it was, man, I'm telling you it what. I've
never experienced anything like it since. It was just just
to just to see that many brothers from all different
walks of life, and everybody was supportive. Everybody was brotherly.

(23:13):
We it was so tight on the mall that you
couldn't even get out to go to the restaurom. But
the brothers and if you had to use the restaurroom,
just raise your hand. They would pick you up and
carry you one at a time, passing you. I'm talking
about a half a mile to get you to the

(23:33):
outside so you can get to the restaroom. And when
you came back, they would get you back in among
the among the ranks. It was. It was a glimpse
of heaven again. We could but we shouldn't. We shouldn't.
Why not, because the the purpose of a march is
to create a movement, because if if a march just

(23:55):
leads to another march, then the march failed. A march's
supposed to be at time we get together to highlight, strategize,
plan our work, and then go out and work our plan.
So the goal of the minister that God gave him
was never to have a march for the sake of stomping.
It was to have a march to produce a movement.

(24:18):
And that ever since that day, they've been working hard
to make sure that the march principles don't become a
movement in our lives. We won, though we've got some
victories in it. You know, after the Million Maare March,
there was nearly two million new black registered voters because
that's what we said to do. After the Million Maare March,

(24:41):
the ranks of the NAACP urbanly Black organization swelled because
that's what the minister asked. He didn't tell everybody, when
y'all leave, go to the mosque, join the nation. He said,
when you leave, join a black organization of your choice
that you think is doing something that you have an
affinity for mm hmm. During the time in ninety five,

(25:04):
there was on the roads over eight hundred thousand black
children that were in need of adoption, and we struggling.
We weren't adopting them. After that next year, between ninety
five and ninety six, nearly a million black children were
adopted because it was said to do so. So it had,
you know, a great impact, and I think I think

(25:26):
that we need movement, not necessarily march.

Speaker 4 (25:29):
Now, did you ever feel like a contradiction inside of
Islam any time?

Speaker 1 (25:37):
No, sir, I'm not a I mean not only only
only a lack of understanding, Okay. So I would always
ask questions because if it don't make sense, I need
I need to it has to make sense.

Speaker 4 (25:52):
So when you ask the question, did you ever get answers?

Speaker 1 (25:55):
They would always tell me, look here, boy, don't you
question God? But I wouldn't question in God. I was
quoting in my Sunday school teacher and Deacon Johnson and
my grandmoma and then but they wouldn't answer the questions.

Speaker 4 (26:07):
Do you think they just don't ask the question? Couse,
they don't know, they don't know.

Speaker 1 (26:10):
So so there's a difference between having faith and having
blind faith. And most people have blind faith. They just
believe it because it was told to them to believe it.
It's a hand me down religion. I was reading a
story about a man who had a wife who prepared
food a certain kind of way. She would take a

(26:32):
steak and cut off the front and end of it,
and they asked she had she had. The husband asked it,
why do you cut off both ends of the state.
She said, I don't know. That's that's the way my
mother always did it. That's why I do it. Then
they said, well, let's call her. Why do you do it?
I don't know my mother did. They called their grandmother Grandma.

(26:52):
Why did you cut the two ends off? She said, oh, baby,
I used to do that because my pan was too short.
We had. That's a hand me down practice, and unfortunately
we gotta hand me down religion. So even even while

(27:14):
I'm asking I want to know, how does a ghost
get a woman pregnant? I want to know how do
you die and go? So I need to know. Explain
it to me. I wasn't trying to disbelieve. I was
trying to have some knowledge to base my faith on.
Paul said, this in the Bible. He said, prove all things,
and hold faster that which is good. So if I
can't prove it, I can't call it good. And if
I can't call it good, I can't hold.

Speaker 4 (27:35):
On to it.

Speaker 1 (27:35):
So I'm asking questions. And they said, you know, you
just got to have faith, you just got to believe. Boy,
don't you question God? But Jesus said, ask and you
shall receive, Seek and ye shall find. Knock and the
door shall be opened under you if you take the
three words he said, do, ask, seek, and knock. And

(27:56):
the first letter of each one of them is ask.
It still spells ask again. So who said the question?

Speaker 4 (28:01):
God?

Speaker 1 (28:02):
You suppose the question? Ask questions? So when I came
into the nation, I was getting answers. And I'm be honest.
I said to myself at seventeen. From the outside, look
at it, I say, Man, this life look a little
too too much discipline, and that I don't think i'mna
be the You know, I can do some of it,
I don't think i'm gonna be to be all the way.

(28:23):
And I said, well, if I can prove it wrong,
I leave it alone. But if I can't, I'm gonna
commit my life to it. I would be studying back
then there wasn't no internet. This is ninety three. I'm
at the library, six seven, eight hours stacking. I come
talk to one little regular brother bro. I look, I
found out so far and so far, eight hours of study,

(28:45):
and in five minutes he would destroy my whole argument.
After that happened a few times, I said, well, I'll
put my word out there. If you can't prove it wrong,
you'll commit yourself one hundred percent to it. And I
can't say that I am one hundred percent, but I'm
striving to get there. And that uh, that's that's how
it landed, you know. So no contradiction. I tried to

(29:07):
have some exactly, I tried to their answers. So I
mean it was this is, you know, the teachings of
the honor Bieladje Muhammad are scripturally sound, scientifically based, and
agree with nature. So it's there's no aspect of what
he taught that I can't find evidence in history, Bible, Koran, mathematics,

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and nature.

Speaker 4 (29:33):
And it just feel. You can just feel too. You
can feel and you're not being tricked right. You can
feel like it's like before we here see taste, touch, smell,
our gut, tell us everything. Like you get this funny
feeling about certain things, and it can feel good or bad.

(29:53):
You know what I'm saying it, I'll hit you right
here first.

Speaker 1 (29:56):
It's real. So they call it intuition. But but do
you think about this? Where do you go that you
have to pay tuition school, So you pay tuition at school,
So if you are learning from within, they call it
intuition because what exists everywhere is already in us. It

(30:18):
just has to be fed, nurtured and cultivated. So the
God lives within us, you know. The minister said this,
You know when we think about the God within. This
is what I loved about the teachings because I heard
the same thing at church, god within, but I didn't
know in my mind they left it like that. So
I'm thinking that God within is a ghost inside of

(30:40):
my body. But the God within is it has ingredients
to it. The minister said that God within is your
will power. It's your will, your strength of will, and
it's buttressed supported by faith and knowledge, springs forth out
of love and is guided by love. So if you
unpack that, the God within is made up of four

(31:01):
ingredients will, power, faith, knowledge and love. If I feed love,
feed knowledge and faith and build my will, all of
that builds more God in me. And the more God
I build up in me, the more power I have
to face the circumstances of life to get things done.

(31:22):
So that kind of breakdown made it so, you know,
so simple. And the antibilijah Muhammad said that I wasn't
raised to complicate truth. I was raised to make the
truth so plain that a food couldn't even make a mistake.
What a blessing, you know. He the antibliged Mohammad only
went to the fourth grade but didn't make it out.
Think about that, a man that went to the fourth

(31:45):
grade but didn't even graduate from the fourth grade taught
the kind of wisdom that he was able to teach.
The question then becomes who taughty?

Speaker 4 (31:53):
Yeah, that's what I'm asking. Who taught God? Yeah? God
taught gave it to him. He ain't teaching, He just
gave it to him.

Speaker 1 (31:59):
So we think that for some reason, we think that
God lost his power after he did all that stuff
for the people in the past, and he don't care
nothing about black people in America. But based upon history
and scripture, there's a verse in Malacha three and six
that says that I am the Lord, I change it.
Not that mean God got a method.

Speaker 4 (32:19):
What you think made people like believe the teachers of.

Speaker 1 (32:26):
It was the same thing. It agreed with our nature.
It made sense, you know, Like I said, the first
time I'm reading, I'm reading something totally different than what
I've been trained. But my thought was, this is how
I've been believing all of my life. I just didn't
order to say it like this. Yep, it makes sense,
and then when you try it, you get results in

(32:47):
real time. So I started. I started practicing How They
Eat to Live before I joined the Nation. I was
sixteen years old, and I started eating one the other day
and I got off swine flesh. Then I said, I
read in How They Need to Live that they was
pumping beef with twenty one drugs that were harmful to
the human body. That was in nineteen ninety three. The

(33:11):
book is written in nineteen sixty five. I know they
ain't got better. So if it was twenty one drugs
back then, it might be two ten now. And I said, well,
if it's dope, and let me see if I can
stop eating it. And I was addicted. I was craving it.
I said I'm done, and then I went to chicken.
And then the results that you get by living according

(33:32):
to what He taught in real time provides you with
your own testimony. You know, it's one thing to be
able to say what God did four thousand years ago
for Moses, five thousand years ago for Abraham, two thousand
years ago for Paul, James and Matthew. But it's another
thing to say what God did for me yesterday personally.

(33:53):
And that's what I got from the teachings. And unfortunately,
we as a people, we have have missed God's gift,
two precious gifts that God gave us. That's the honor
of Elizh Muhammad and the honor them and that louse Phaka.
If we look at scripture, you will find that anytime

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that the people are in a mess he always gives
them a messenger. When the people have problems, then a
prophet comes. Whenever people are at war with themselves, a
warner's raised from among them where there's a crisis than
Christ is. That's the way God always works, and we,
for some reason, because of our deeply rooted self hatred
we don't even think we're worthy of God doing something

(34:37):
for us. We don't say this, but you have During
a time of Moses, people in slavery, they got them
of Moses. Now you've got doing Abraham. They worshiping idols,
they got them Abraham. During the time of Noah, they
were fighting and killing each other, but God gave them
a Noah. In Sodom Mangomore, they had become freaks of
nature and a lot was given to them. In Arabia,

(35:00):
they had become alcoholics, disrespect us of their women, so
God gave him a Muhammed. Look at what happened in Palestine.
The people are blinded and stupid in superstition and ritual.
So here comes to Jesus to clear it all up.
How could God do that for them? But here we are.

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We got all them conditions wrapped up in one, multiplied
by some new ones. And God can't give us somebody too.
So we believe that God didn't lose his power two
thousand years ago, four thousand years ago. He still got
the same power, and he love us the same way
he loved them. And he gave us these two to

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give us a guidance and a teaching that will put
us back on top of civilization.

Speaker 4 (35:48):
How do y'all pick the person or how do y'all
let the people pick the person from the nation that
tells the story or just be the speakers? How do
y'all pick that?

Speaker 1 (35:57):
There's no real choices like that, It's just your work
and your commitment and the way that God navigates you.
So the thing that I have always loved about the
minister is that he believes in and the only this
the only group that believes in young people. I was.

(36:20):
I was made a minister when I was twenty. Think
about that, fresh out of high school. I was twenty
years old and the minister saw fit that I would
be a minister. And it wasn't based upon what he
heard me saying. It was based upon what he had
heard that I was doing. And as a result, you

(36:42):
know that that productivity in the nation is what gets
you up.

Speaker 4 (36:46):
How y'all deal with haters? Like when somebody feels like
him was supposed to be the one I was supposed
to be Like, how y'all deal with haters?

Speaker 1 (36:51):
Amoths, family well in envy and jealousy. Unfortunately that that's
the E and j we've been drinking as a people
for a long time. Crabs in the veryl bvintality, It don't.

Speaker 4 (37:03):
How y'all weed it out though.

Speaker 1 (37:06):
We have laws and rules. No slack talk, no slander,
no gossip, no backbidy. If you found gossip and slandering
back body, you can be brought to a HN and
you can be giving time out of the community. We'll
get you ninety days out. So if you're thinking it,

(37:28):
if you're thinking it, the law can check you because
you don't want to be gone. But the other side
of it too, we're taught that you are not a
righteous person or Muslim until you want for your brother
what you want for yourself. So once you once you
think like that, if that's constantly on your mind, how
can I be envious of something you have become, or

(37:50):
you're doing, or you have. If I want for my
brother what I want for myself, whatever I want it,
I'm happy. I'm just as happy to see you with
it as as if it was me with it.

Speaker 4 (38:00):
It's like you'll implement implement a self chicken mechanism. So
you're gonna check yourself from your teachings.

Speaker 1 (38:07):
Yep, because that and that's what happens. So there's certain
things knowledge you won't let you do.

Speaker 4 (38:11):
What about renegade? Nigga niggas just renegade.

Speaker 1 (38:13):
That's what I'm saying. You get you, you oust it.
We caught you, got you, so we put you out,
but we don't put you out forever. You know, you
come back and guess what, when you come back, we
want to interview to see whether or not you've learned
from your mistake. Have you learned that from your mistake?
Now if they come back talking about I ain't do
nothing wrong in the first place, all right, Well, well

(38:36):
we'll talk to you in a couple of weeks and
see if you should and we try to reintegrate you
back into the community. There's a saying that that the
Big Mama used to have that one bad apple could
spoil the whole bunch. We had a basket of squash
and everything looked real good, but we didn't know it.
There was one squash somewhere down in the basket that

(38:59):
was rotten. Two days later we come back all of
them rotten. So the Honor Bi Lash Muhammed made this
statement to us. He said that I'm happier to see
a bad one go than a good one come, because
if that one bad one could mess up a whole lot.
So you know, we we try. And and then by
the fact that you and I we're trained into protocols

(39:21):
of self love and it makes you love your your brother,
you know, and your sister as you love yourself. And
the minister said this too, He said that if if
you work to discover your gifts, skills and talents, you'll
never hate somebody else that has done the same thing.
See see your light shining gives me permission for me

(39:42):
to shine my own life. So I shouldn't get discouraged
to see you great. I should be inspired by it.
And you know that that's how it used to be,
Big Bank, but dj that's how it used to be
back back in the day. My grandparents said that one
ever they had no TV, they had radios, they'd be

(40:03):
on the porch. Let Joe Lewis be fighting. Every black
person was rooting for everybody black. Let Jesse Owens be wrong.
It wasn't. It wasn't what we was for everybody black.
And at that time, we had a greater affinity for
black excellence wherever we found it, not because we thought

(40:24):
that we was getting ready to get into a boxing ring,
or we was getting ready to get into the Olympics
and run track. But your light shine and give me
permission to let mine shine.

Speaker 4 (40:35):
It's possible to be great.

Speaker 1 (40:36):
Yeah, excellence exactly. Manifestation of greatness is a sign that
if you can do that in that arena, if I
put myself and apply myself with the fight, drive, focus
and discipline you did in what I'm boring for, I
can be the Jesse Owens of engineering, and I can
be the Joe Lewis of architecture, because that's what I'm

(40:56):
supposed to be doing. So that mentality has to return
where we we actually are inspired by what we see
instead of being being a hater. You know, I have
an acronym for hating is hating everyone or hating all
people that are excelling or doing something or great. I

(41:18):
came about saying, but it's it's it's you should never
You should never see someone up and want to pull
them down. You should see someone up as a sign
that I can climb to.

Speaker 4 (41:30):
What's the difference between being like a Muslim and a
part of the nation. What's the difference?

Speaker 1 (41:35):
Well, you know, all of us are Muslims. But just
like you have. Unfortunately inside of Christianity people that have
divided up the faith into different denominations. They don't call
them that. In Islam, they call them sex schools of thought.
But you've got different people with different schools of thought,

(41:55):
different sex, if you will. So in the nation, we
don't call ourselves by any label or denomination. We're called
the nation of Islam. That is, that is something rooted
in the Holy of Koran. In the second chapter, Abraham

(42:16):
was making a prayer. He said, and you know, whatever
faith you're a part of, you consider to be Abraham
to be the father of your faith. Jews, Christians, and
Muslims say Abraham is the father of the righteous. Well,
in the Qoran, Abraham is making a prayer. He's raising
the foundations of the house. And then he says to Allah,

(42:36):
raised from our my offspring, our offspring, me and Ishmail,
raised from our offspring, a nation submissive to THEE, submissive
to THEE, submissive to God. So Islam means submission to God.
So what is Abraham saying, raised from my seed, a
nation of Islam. Well, Abraham wasn't white. He's a black man.

(42:58):
If he wasn't. Then, why when he was in Egypt
did they think he was an Egyptian. In the scripture,
when Abraham went to Egypt with Sarah, they thought both
of them were Egyptians. Well, Egypt is not in Europe
as in Africa. Egypt in Greek is ieptus. It means
land of black and burnt skinned people. So if they
thought Abraham was an Egyptian five thousand years ago, he

(43:18):
had to have black burnt skin. So the seed of
a black man is going to be black people. So
from that seed you have black people in the West
that was as Genesis fifteen thirteen says that would be
made slaves for four hundred years. Seed of Abraham black people.
Nation of Islam, So we don't prescribe to a school

(43:42):
of thought or a sec of denomination. We are the
nation of Islam, and we accept all of the brothers
as our brothers. But we don't stop with just saying
Kuran and Hadith. We say God gave us a law
or a lah, gave us Mohammad. He gave us the

(44:03):
Holy Koran as our final revelation. But he promises that
there would be a messiah that would have to come
and teach the meaning of it, and we believe that
he did so with Master Fred Muhammad, the Hoanna Elijah Muhammad.
Now today with the Minister the giving us the top
sear or explanation that we can practically apply it better

(44:24):
in real time. So we we don't make distinctions among them.
They might try to, but we don't. We consider you.
You say you are, then you you are a brother
in faith. But that's that's our our little separation. Again,
they say anything else.

Speaker 4 (44:45):
So what's the Yeah, what's the what would a person
have to have or what would you'll have to see
on the person? Be like, okay, yeah, he'll be good.
He could be with us.

Speaker 1 (44:55):
We we believe every last one has the same potential.
So so there's a there's a scripture that I mentioned
earlier that I wish that the reverend would teach you sometimes.
Psalms A two verse six says, year are all gods
children of the Most High God. There's no brother of
the original family, no sister of the original family that

(45:18):
is not born with the potential to become a god.
So we don't think that this is a good candidate
in this That's how fraternities and sororities do they want
to find the best that they can pull in. We
believe that we can take the worst and make them
into the best. We can take the engineer and make

(45:41):
him into the better teaching. Yeah, so, and guess what
the honiblage Mama said. He said, my best followers are
in the streets. In the streets. It's not just a location,
it's a mentality. See what happens when you in the streets,
in the streets, you hustling, and the streets but hustling.

Speaker 5 (46:02):
What is that?

Speaker 1 (46:04):
The dope man has the right program, He just got
the wrong product. Facts, ain't nothing wrong with buying wholesale
selling retail. Ain't nothing wrong with getting enough of a
supply that you can give it to the people you
love the most for a lower rate and create you
a downline and the sales team. There's nothing wrong with that.

(46:24):
It's just the wrong product. Best followers in the streets.
In the streets is where people are that are soldiers
that might be killing for nothing. Well, if you've been
out there killing for nothing, then we can give you
something not to kill for it, but something to live for.
And if you was willing to die for nothing, I

(46:45):
know you will live for something facts, So we always
we want the soldiers from the streets. We want those
that are in the trenches. We're not going out there
trying to be a fraternity or sorority and grab a
engineer or a doctor or a chemist and just say come,
we want them too. But give us the brother that

(47:06):
you consider to be the one that's the worst, and
we'll prove that he's probably the best.

Speaker 4 (47:11):
Do you think it's like like like Min's faircund Do
you think it's one of those guys out there roam
and he just don't know him yet?

Speaker 1 (47:22):
Well, there will never be another him.

Speaker 4 (47:24):
Not him exactly. With those with that type of can
have that type of yeah impact impact.

Speaker 1 (47:32):
Yeah, well you know that the.

Speaker 4 (47:35):
People are like that too. There will never be another him.

Speaker 1 (47:38):
He's He's the one and only him. Yeah, but but
there can be those that follow the far contemplate and
become great in what they're supposed to be great in.

Speaker 4 (47:50):
What about haw the same like influence and impact you
think that could ever happen again?

Speaker 1 (47:55):
The job of any student is to stand on the
shoulders of his teacher facts and take what the teacher
represented to the next level. So any of us that
are saying we love, admire and are his students. We
should be trying to take everything he put out there
and make it bond. I agree when he says a
b we're supposed to be the ad squad to make
it into an eve and take it to the next level.

(48:17):
So that's that's the assignment. Unfortunately, most of the the
brothers that that you see that are out in the
streets like they are, these are brothers that had potential
that the enemy worked on to make sure that they
didn't rise. So you you don't have the chief Malics incarcerated.

(48:42):
You don't have the Larry Hoover's locked up because of
the crimes they committed. You have them they're they're incarcerated
because of the influence that they have. So they find
a way. If they see that you're manifesting greatness, they
figure out a way to entrap you and have you
locked up forever so that you don't have that sway

(49:03):
and influence. It's no coincidence that there was a counterintelligence
program by Jay Egger Hoover and at the top Principles
five points. Top one says that his job, his goal
was to prevent the rise of a black messiah. Think
about that, and what would he do? He said he
could unify and electrify the masses of the people. So

(49:26):
anytime that they see greatness on the horizon or someone
that has that far Khan demeanor, far Khan influence, far
con Way per se, they tap them and find a
way to get them off off the scene. And if
they cannot assassinate the character of the person, then that

(49:50):
character becomes assassinated.

Speaker 4 (49:53):
Damn, damn. So what would make the nation want smoke?
Like if they do what what's the wrong thing they
can do to y'all to make y'all just black?

Speaker 1 (50:02):
Well, we you know we're never the aggression.

Speaker 4 (50:05):
I'm saying, what will make you the aggression? The aggression
would make y'all get aggressive.

Speaker 1 (50:10):
So we don't fight with anyone unless they fight with us.
But if we are aggressed upon, we fight with those
who fight with us. And we're not fighting till the
black eye or the busted lip.

Speaker 4 (50:21):
No words can do it, like nobody can say.

Speaker 1 (50:23):
You can't say anything that's getting ready to make us
fight you with uh physical activity. So we we believe
that if you fight with words, we can fight with
a greater word. And and that's what we do. So
we don't you know, we don't. We don't raise our
hand if somebody else, don't raise the hand. But if

(50:46):
you know, if it does, if it does go to
that point, we will lay hands on you now in
Jesus name, and you will be speaking.

Speaker 4 (50:56):
We will. I said, yeah, I got moving like this, man,
y'all you just inspired. When you y'all get putting, the said, yeah,
how you pull up? I ain't seen no raffle pull.

Speaker 1 (51:08):
Up like that. Well, this is our brothers, man. We
we we look out for each other and we love
we love each other. And uh, you know, I feel
great and greatly honored that I never asked for. But
wherever we go, the brothers are making sure that everything's
locked down and secured. And when you teach a truth
that can resurrect the people, the enemy of that people

(51:31):
are just as mad at you as your people are
happy with you. So so you you know, we don't
go anywhere not understanding that conflict could arise. But we
don't we respectful to everyone. It's yes, ma'am, it's yes, sir.
We we we treat everyone, regardless to creed, class, or color,

(51:52):
with the same respect we want to be handled with.
But if you know, you cross that line physically, then uh,
you know, we obligated.

Speaker 4 (52:02):
What's the biggest misconception of from the nation, But people think.

Speaker 1 (52:05):
But the biggest misconception is that we don't believe in Jesus.
That's probably the biggest one that has been propagated and
that has been by the enemy because they know that
that black people we have been We have a we
have an emotional relationship with Jesus, not necessarily an educational relationship.
We we like to feeling sing about it, praising and worshiping.

(52:30):
But but that's not that's not the way that that
Jesus wanted us to operate Jesus right now he has
Jesus has too many fans and not enough followers. That's
the truth. People that celebrate praise clatform. But the difference
between a fan and a follower, a fancist and the
bleachers and watching somebody else play. But a follower puts

(52:51):
their foot in the same spot that the one that
they're following was. So In imagery and art, the number
one image for following is called the footprints in the sand.
You're supposed to put your foot wherever the one you're
following put his foot. So by having an emotional attachment
to Jesus as a people, soon as they can get

(53:11):
you to say, you know, the Muslim they don't believe
in Jesus. That automatically disconnects them from wanting to listen
to what you have to say. But they don't tell
you that. We believe that he's our rock, our sword,
our shield. We believe in him. That there's a whole
chapter in the Holy Koran not just about Jesus, but

(53:32):
about the Mother of Jesus. And the Koran doesn't teach
the return of Muhammad, it teaches the return of Jesus.
So we believe in him. The difference, though, the difference
that they don't want to tell us, is we believe
in the right Christ, not a white Christ. We don't
believe in some buttermilk complexed brunette or blonde with blue

(53:52):
eyes as a Caucasian Christ. That is not what Jesus
looked like. Matter of fact, Bank there's a man or brother,
doctor Dale Jones, that did a study on the effects
of lies on the black psychology, and they put black
people on a meter to measure brain activity to see

(54:16):
what lies had the most damaging effect, and when the
math was done, there's never been a lie told to
a black mind that has been more destructive than that
Jesus was a white man. You know why, because what
happens is they say, your logic circus kicking, and.

Speaker 4 (54:31):
That's that's that's how ultimate power. That color you go
looking at that, we're go to looking at this color
that's amongst us. Come on, it's like, that's pure, that's
God's that's God Like.

Speaker 1 (54:41):
That's the math. That's the that's the math that goes
on in the mind. We don't say it out loud,
but we say, oh, wait, Jesus, Wait a minute, he's
the If Jesus is white and he's the son of God, logically,
then if he's the son of God and he's white
and God is his father, then God must be white.
Wait a minute. If God is white and God is
love and God is good, Wait, but I'm black and
black is the opposite of white. And if God is love,

(55:03):
God is good, and God is white, and I'm black,
I'm the opposite of love, opposite of good. I'm the
opposite of God. So self hatred becomes justified, and we
don't say this out loud. But this is the kind
of self defeating monologue that goes on in our sub
conscious mind that has us turning on each other. So
that lie that we the Muslims don't believe in Jesus

(55:27):
is designed by the enemy to get our people that
have an emotional relationship when we need an educational one
to be able to shun listening to what we have
to say and keeping them away from that route that
avenue God gave through the Honorabilijah Muhammad that would end
up having salvation for us as a people.

Speaker 4 (55:46):
Oh, so's the whole story of how Jesus came about.
Like y'all don't believe that.

Speaker 1 (55:53):
Though not in the literal sense, but if you like
again I said the Bible. See there's a verse in Romans,
first chapter of Romans where Paul says concerning his son
Jesus to Christ, who was the seed of David according
to the flesh, but declared to be the son of God.
About the spirit of holiness. We don't believe that there

(56:16):
was some divine piece of wind or some ghosts that
came and got married pregnant. See See, if you're going
to prove all things and hold fast at that which
is good. To prove something means you have to find
material evidence in the present time. To verify something could
have happened in the past. Let your daughter come home
and say, she I'm pregnant. Well, who's the father? I

(56:39):
was walking past the church. Oh the divorce, the spirit
came upon me. It never happened.

Speaker 5 (56:50):
No, So.

Speaker 1 (56:53):
Seed of David according to the what flesh, So the
body of Jesus came from a human being. How could
Mary have been the only human being involved in the
creation of Jesus. Women have just a double X chromosome.
Man have X and Y chromosome. So a spirit with

(57:13):
a woman could only produce a female if an X
and Y. If a boy is born, a man had
to be involved because the Y chromosome had to be there.
When you do the lineage in Luke and Matthew of
the Seed of David, and you get downed on the
time of Jesus, Mary's not in there. But Joseph is.

(57:36):
See Joseph is the biological father seed of David according
to flesh. But Joseph and Mary didn't make Jesus Christ.
It was God that worked with his mind that made
him what he was. So the mind of Christ comes
from the spirit of God, but the body comes from

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Joseph and Mary.

Speaker 4 (57:58):
Oh that makes sense.

Speaker 1 (58:00):
It didn't look you know, they say, if you if
you want Jesus to say it's in.

Speaker 4 (58:03):
Red writing, No, that makes sense.

Speaker 1 (58:05):
But you flipp it. He says, I am of the
root of Jesse and the seed of David. That's what
Jesus says. Now if Mary wasn't said like all.

Speaker 4 (58:17):
This, when they be saying, said, who heard him say it?

Speaker 5 (58:19):
Like?

Speaker 1 (58:20):
Who, where's the proof that he actually said? Well, of
course you these are the witnesses you have. You have Matthew, Mark,
Luke John, all the disciples were present, they say, and
then the four Matthew, Mark, Luke John, they are the
ones that did the recording and gave us what what
they they said that they've seen or that he said.

Speaker 4 (58:38):
Okay, okay, I never knew that. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (58:40):
So that's that's there their recollection. Unfortunately, I don't want
to mess it all up for everybody, but.

Speaker 4 (58:48):
I'm gonna put a story by screen put on it.

Speaker 1 (58:52):
Yeah, but that but I mean that's what they are
a little different. Each story is a little different. How
can I say that? How can I say this problem
put it out there first, the minister said that the
Bible is the road map to our salvation if it's
properly understood. Okay, So there's truth in it that just

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has to be unpacked properly, and it can be that
road map to get us where we need to go. However,
if you look at the first page of the Bible,
it says this is the authorized King James version that
was diligently compared and revised and translated from former translations.

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So if when we was in kindergarten we played the
game Telephone, that's where translations come from. You can't keep
something the same. Paul said that I that I see
in part therefore a prophesy in part you're never gonna
hear things and pass it on exactly accurate. So we
would be inside the circle at five years of age,
and the sand would have been a red dog jumped

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over a blue moon on a Thursday. By the time
that thing made it through, seventeen little children ear to
ear it be Pooky got shot on thirty third Street
and his mama found him out there without his shoes
on it just and we say got lost in translation.
So when you take translations from former translation that automatically

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changes it. Then listen to what he said. It was
diligently compared and then revised. The word revised means to
alter or change from original form.

Speaker 4 (01:00:35):
But who gave King James the authority exactly?

Speaker 1 (01:00:39):
That's another question. So this is the math. Do you
know that in sixteen eleven King James when he translated
the Bible, do you know it took him seventy years
to do it and he had fifty four people helping him.
You telling me that all you doing is taking a
book out of two languages and putting it in the

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one on and it takes fifty four people seventy years to.

Speaker 4 (01:01:02):
Do that fifty four white people, Yes it was, but fifty.

Speaker 1 (01:01:06):
Four people, so it should have took you seven minutes.
The fact it took seven years show something.

Speaker 4 (01:01:11):
Different, remix stretching it.

Speaker 1 (01:01:14):
So one of one of his translators that wasn't allowed
to be put in the book because at the time
it was not accepted in the public for homosexuality, was
his boat boyfriend William Shakespeare.

Speaker 4 (01:01:32):
So Shakespeare and King Jane doing his buddies, but buddies
in the yeah, too close so how are you right
the bib about that?

Speaker 1 (01:01:40):
So he ain't. He didn't get credit for helping the
translate it, so he tried. He added his name in there.
So down Shakespeare. So you go to on his forty
six birthday, You're going to forty six. Watch this. Indeed,
go to Psalms forty six and you count forty six
words down in the word shake appears. Go to the
bottom of Psalms forty six and you count forty six
words up in the worst spirit appears.

Speaker 4 (01:02:02):
So they gotta read.

Speaker 1 (01:02:04):
At all and and think about it. Right here, boo
name in the Bible kad has kind of I mean
he has, but it's still enough truth. It's still enough truth.
So the Honiblaje Mama said, we believe in the truth
of the Bible, but we believe that it must be
reinterpreted so the man in mankind will not be snared
by the many falsehoods that have been added to it.

Speaker 5 (01:02:25):
But in the court of law, when you raise a
reasonable doubt, you're not guilty, right you just you just
answered that once you get doubt, how can I.

Speaker 4 (01:02:36):
Believe anything you said? If if if if if if
if I come in the house and my mama asked
me why I was and I say, I was at school,
but she know I was at the playground. Nothing else,
I say, I'm still gonna add with it.

Speaker 1 (01:02:48):
But so, so what happens in court though you have
to bring a witness. You have to have witnesses to
verify something is what it's supposed to be. So what
happens when the Holy Koran? The Holy Koran becomes a
book that becomes a witness bearer to help what should
be said in the scripture. And in addition to that,

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when God gives us a messenger, now he has the
ability see see. Messengers of God have three sites. When
we only got two regular people. We can see hindsight,
back in the back, back, insight, present. But a messenger
of God is given a third site. They're given foresight.
So when you have foresight, you can see in the future.

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But when you when a messenger is raised, one of
the things that he does, he's given what's called a revelation.
Revelation is new knowledge, but also it means to expose
or unpack or make known what has been hidden. So
if you say that a woman has on a revealing dress,
whatever is being shown was always there, you just couldn't

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see it because it was covered. So it is with
the scripture. So there there's scriptures in the Bible that
needed to be revealed. So what God did, He said, here,
I'll give you a man, here's Elijah, here's here's far Come.
Let them show you what the meaning of that is.
Practice it and see if it doesn't bear you fruit.

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So we got the reinterpretation, but it's it's you know,
the Bible originally had eleven thousand, two hundred and eighty
words in it, I mean different words down it's only
six thousand. So you know that if you want to
get an understanding, you go to a dictionary, you take
a word, look up more words. So understanding always comes
when you go from less to more. So if less

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to more produces understanding. If you got eleven thousand, two
hundred and eighty words and it gets reduced to six thousand,
then going from more to less produces misunderstanding. So we
have a misunderstanding. But that's why it has to be reinterpreted.
And what we've been given in that book mess to
the Black Man, we talked about there's a b in
the back of it. There's a section called God to

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understanding the Bible, guide to understand the Holy Koran. And
what you do is you read the verse, then you
turn to the page. The Honabilajahama breaks it down. But
what he's doing he's given you what different symbols in
the scripture mean, so you'll be able to pick the
book up later on and you read about a heel
or a mountain or a certain animal, and you'll remember

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what he said that meant. And now you can properly
interpret the rest of it, even though he didn't personally
break that one down. Does that makes sense? Give me
kind of like a like a formula.

Speaker 3 (01:05:32):
Now, I was saying, you kind of answered your own
question though, like you said earlier, when you see something,
hear something, whatever, you trust your gut, right, So that's
what I was saying. When I'm reading the Bible, I'm
be honest. Some of it I'm just like, okay, my gut,
I'm skipping past this part of it. You do know
what I'm saying. But I might get into songs or
something like that and it might feel good in my gut.
So you kind of answered, well, it's in two you know,

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it's the.

Speaker 1 (01:05:56):
I mean, they wrote it in a way that you
get caught up in the hither thou go offrom the
whether thou come from the thus? Say if by the
time you get finished with all that, you confused exactly so?

Speaker 3 (01:06:06):
So so what what?

Speaker 1 (01:06:08):
What we? What mamma did? He's breaking it down in
the layman term, playing terms and showing you not how
to find a then and a there or or them
and are there? But I want you to see the
here and the now, and I want you to see yourself.
See the first person. If I took a picture of
the room right now, the first person you're gonna look

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for is yourself. So it is with history, so it
is you can't show me. I know I was there.
If you're showing me this and I don't see myself, man,
I was there. This pictures fate. So when you can't
find yourself and now and all you can think about
is some them and some there, then the book becomes

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irrelevant to you. That God gave the mament. He allows
us to see the now and the self, and you
can see where you can use it as a guide
in life for your footsteps.

Speaker 4 (01:07:03):
Your nations support Trump.

Speaker 1 (01:07:06):
We don't support any politician or ruler of this world
as it stands.

Speaker 4 (01:07:11):
You said, we don't, we do not.

Speaker 1 (01:07:13):
We don't, we don't. We don't get into politics like that.
Now you can. You can extract from any political party.
You might be able to find principles that we agree with.
But you know, the scripture says this in Isaiah, that
that there will be one that would come and he

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would have a government on his shoulders. He'd be called
wonderful counselor Mighty God, princip Peace, everlasting Father end up
on the establishment of his government, a piece that should
be no end. So we don't look to the political
for for the guide or leadership in the world. We
look to the spiritual. And government on your shoulders doesn't

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mean that somebody's literally carrying around business buildings. It means
what's on your shoulders is your head. So there is
a servant of God that has the government of God
in his mind. I believe that that man that fulfills
that would be the minister. He has the government of
God in his mind, and so we he's our teacher

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and our leader. They gonna do what they gonna do
and be who they're gonna be. So we move, We
move according to divine guidance, not political positions.

Speaker 4 (01:08:30):
So can can can summon a political position hinder the
hinder the nature.

Speaker 1 (01:08:38):
Of course, I mean they can create a stumbling block,
you know. But what does the scripture says. It says
no weapons formed against the righteous shall prosper. They'll be formed,
but but they won't prosper with God before you. Who
can be against you? Anybody and everybody. But it's a
waste of their time. So at the end of the day,

(01:08:58):
you know, y'all vote that we do vote, but we
don't get into that jumping into the curtain, pulling the
curtain and just pulling one level for everybody. You know,
if you know somebody that you've talked to, interviewed and
you think that they operate under the principles and are
good for you and your people in your community, then
you pull that leverl for that person. But we don't

(01:09:19):
go in there and just say I'm Democrat, I'm this you. No,
you selectively can pick you know, your people that you
that you want to vote for. But that's that's kind
of the way we operate. But we have never You've
never seen the minister come out and say I'm endorsing
a political person. At the end of the day, all
of them Pharaoh. They're Pharaoh on the Bible. They're a

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better ruler of Egypt, the land of bondage, and we
are the real children of Israel. So I'm voting for
Moses young have Pharaoh.

Speaker 4 (01:09:51):
You think it's impossible for somebody like the minister or
somebody from the nation become like a president.

Speaker 1 (01:09:57):
The minister could if you wanted to be that, but
it would be such a diminishing title. It would reduce
him to be the president, to be the president of
the instead of that. It's hustling backrus So. So the minister,
you know, he he's the servants of God have never

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been ah kings perceived, They've been king makers. So his
position is thus, say, of the Lord, you can't be
in the politics voting for And.

Speaker 4 (01:10:33):
Do you think he can advisee advised somebody from the
nation as a president like y'all could pick somebody and
be like, okay, this good this, this guy is good
for that, and let the minister like, I.

Speaker 1 (01:10:45):
Mean, he has done that for we have we have
brothers and sisters that are in political offices all over
the country, and of course they are they seek guidance
in the council from me. But to put somebody up
there to run for pharaoh of think about that, I

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want you to be your pharaoh. That God getting ready
to destroy you and your people, so go go be naw.
So it's just not a good job. It's not a
good job to have to be pharaoh. So I don't
see that. I don't see that, but he does. Like
I said, we do have local politicians that are in
the nation that we have a mayor that's in the nation.

Speaker 4 (01:11:27):
We have.

Speaker 1 (01:11:27):
We have politicians that get a counsel and advice, but
not you know, you know, we don't. We don't. We
don't get involved. You can't say that I'm getting ready
to be loyal to a party and the parties not
loyal to your principles. So we don't. We don't operate
like that.

Speaker 4 (01:11:45):
What's the before we get out of it? What's the
main purpose of the nation?

Speaker 1 (01:11:48):
You think the main purpose it is the resurrection of
the people of the planet, starting with the resurrection of
the so called American Nigua black people in America. We
believe that what we've gone through, the four hundred years
of slavery, suffering, and death six thousand years of hell

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under Satan, fifty thousand years of life in the jungle,
sixty six trillion years absent the wisdom of God. We
have been conditioned and constitutionally fit not just to be
citizens of the New World, but the rulers of the
New World. So our assignment is to get our people
up back to God and to become a perfect reflection

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of God, that we can be the new perfect people,
new perfect rulers, and inspire the whole planet, to bring
the whole planet back into harmony and balance with the
will of God and make it the Kingdom of God
everywhere you look. That's the ultimate objective.

Speaker 4 (01:12:44):
Nah, for sure. Well y'all got well, y'all got our platform, man,
I want to get you come back whenever you come
back to a perspective. You got the red carpet to
come on here whenever y'all already, Man, we want to
get your message out.

Speaker 1 (01:12:54):
Bro, Thank you, Thank you, big bangs like I follow you,
I watch.

Speaker 4 (01:12:57):
All your stuff, man, and you know I just begin
enlighten from them and.

Speaker 1 (01:13:00):
Appreciate man phrase be to a lot. Thank y'all so much.
And I really, like I said, I'm honored to share
space and time with you all because you all, you
all have the ear of that most difficult segment of
our population, which is young black people and the group
that Theanna Bilasch Mouhammad said that his best followers will
come from that's the streets. So this is, this means

(01:13:23):
so much to me, so much to us to be
able to share space and time with you all. And
I hope that we h you know, provided some news
that everybody can use.

Speaker 4 (01:13:31):
So anytime y'all got anything going on and you want
to get out, we can help me with it.

Speaker 1 (01:13:35):
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:13:37):
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