BIG FACTS feat. G and CLIFF THA SUPA PRODUCER

G and Cliff the Supa Producer tap in with Big Bank and DJ Scream to talk about leveling up in 2026—physically, mentally, and spiritually. They open up about mental health, the discipline behind fitness, and how clarity and consistency translate into success. If you’re focused on being your best self this year, this episode hits home.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Big bank DJ Screams bring you Big Facts, number one
podcast in the street.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
Live for Revolse Studios. It's time for Big Facts, Big Bankers. Here,
DJ Screamers, Here's twenty twenty six.

Speaker 3 (00:14):
Listen.

Speaker 2 (00:14):
Today we got g and Super producer Cliff joining us
to talk about first clapping up for Gul. You know
we're gonna talk about twenty twenty six mental health. You
know what I'm saying, physical health, not procrastinating knocking down
them goals. But first off, let's check on y'all. Man,
what's up with y'all mental health?

Speaker 3 (00:33):
Good?

Speaker 2 (00:33):
Twenty twenty six, going on your heart retreat.

Speaker 4 (00:36):
Yeah, Like, I just came back from out of town.
I'll come from sc so I was out of town
top of year. So I'm just super grateful, super blessed.
Always been tear since my pop past, so I just
been you know what I mean, just get my mind
right preparing for the rest of the years. But other
than that, man, I'm grateful, super blessed, super grateful.

Speaker 5 (00:53):
I'm right there with him, Glad to make it into
another year. Last year was intense, but I'm looking forward to,
you know, big things twenty twenty six.

Speaker 2 (01:01):
Last time we chatted man. I know y'all big on
physical health and working out. You know what I'm saying,
The cardio and all different type of things. Talk about
how important it is to take care of that physical
health and some of the challenges that goes along with
staying consistent and being on top of.

Speaker 5 (01:17):
Your consistency compounds. So anything you do, you want to
make sure you're putting in that work on an everyday basis.
And I might not be the best person to speak
at it because I might be too intense. You know,
my sleeping patterns they very I drop as early as
five every night. I wake up every day at one am,
So I'm always texting this man music and oh.

Speaker 3 (01:36):
You said, you go to sleep at five and wake
up at one?

Speaker 5 (01:38):
Round one, getting a gym around two, doctors, gym around four,
he know, getting a message.

Speaker 4 (01:44):
When I get back from the club, he'll hit me
like he got this record, listen to this song. So
I'm already I'm already up doing I gotta do. But
he's you know what I mean, still active early. I'm
getting home. He already getting to day started.

Speaker 5 (01:58):
In the office by six, Yes, sir, two am.

Speaker 3 (02:01):
Workout is your worked out? Am?

Speaker 2 (02:05):
I know, maybe I just discovered he'd be a nighttime
nighttime hiking.

Speaker 1 (02:10):
Well yeah, but not no two am though, that's sleepy.
Hey the retreat, what you said you came here from
a retreat. What the retreat was?

Speaker 5 (02:18):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (02:18):
So I went to U Santea, South Carolina, and after
they have these cabins. So and as a kid, I'll
go out there a lot with my folks. So I
made a tradition at the top of the year, every
top of the year January third, with my pop pass
So around that time, I just stay out there do lo.

Speaker 1 (02:33):
It's you know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (02:34):
It's real peaceful on the lake, just just chilling, just
like I said, preparing for the top of the year,
and you know, making sure I'll keep my mental in
check like.

Speaker 1 (02:43):
A recent Yeah, absolutely, yeah, I have to.

Speaker 4 (02:46):
Being in night life as a club DJ, it's always
so much you know what I mean, just super intense,
mad people just trying to accommodate everybody as once you
can and staying on top of it all. But so
that that recept for me is mad important. I have
to do it like I make sure I don't break
that tradition no matter what, even if I got to

(03:07):
push it back a little bit, so like it may
be in a different time, but still I have to
do the top of her every everything you got balance,
Yeah that it's crazy extreme and yeah they yaid not
for real.

Speaker 1 (03:17):
I have to.

Speaker 4 (03:17):
Like for me, it's impative because my folks, they were
so important to me. My pops he played every instrument
you could think of, my mom saying they're just creative.
So I get all of my creative creativity from them,
you know what I mean. So I do what I
can to you know, of course, honor them and shoot
me and live for them, because man, I lost them.

Speaker 1 (03:39):
I was like what twenty three, twenty four, you know
what I mean?

Speaker 4 (03:42):
So ten years later, still you know, still working through
that because grief is is so like you just never
staw grieving, you know what I mean.

Speaker 5 (03:49):
So never I lost my dad at twenty nineteen.

Speaker 1 (03:52):
Yeah, yeah, yeah around there.

Speaker 4 (03:55):
Yeah, So anything I could, anything I can do to
just you know, keep myself focused and just making them proud.

Speaker 1 (04:01):
I'm doing every time.

Speaker 5 (04:01):
The same thing to my parents in May for thirty
five years. My father was the most complete man I
ever knew, and still discipline structure. I'm the oldest of three,
so I always had to take care of my brothers
me how to fight security. So once we figured out
we had that in common, which is unfortunate, you know,
we definitely kind of united around that as well. Named

(04:24):
after my father.

Speaker 2 (04:25):
What yall think some of the things is like this
as black men, that we suppressing holding like trauma, just
multiple things. Obviously we know about grief and losing people.
With some of the other things, we just be holding
in and just trying to be tough and beating that chest.

Speaker 4 (04:37):
Like I think a lot of times, I know, for
me personally, I could be super proud I can you
know what I mean, Like think like man, nobody either,
no one cares. So I'm like, all right, I'm not
gonna be the most emotional or receptive to certain things
or just be selfish. So like I said, I know,
like just not not really you know, I mean, just

(05:02):
just not really caring about certain things, but make it
to a point where I have to be open and
recept it to things in order to grow from that.

Speaker 1 (05:11):
So I think this is what's this men in general.

Speaker 5 (05:14):
Like black masculinity that's supposed to be vulnerable. Right while
we watched the interview with you and thug last summer.
I mean just being able to say you hurt somebody
hurt me, one of my peers hurt me. That's a challenge.

Speaker 1 (05:28):
That's the biggest challenge I think. I think that's people
start walls instead of telling the person, like, Bro, you
hurt my feelings. That's like kind of like the weakest
thing in the world to say out of a man
mouth hurt in his own mind. It's like if Union
hurt me, so they try to hurt you as bad. Yeah,

(05:50):
you know what I'm saying. It's crazy. I don't know.
I don't see myself just telling nobody that you hurt
me either. I probably just cut you off or whatever.

Speaker 5 (05:57):
But that shows you, like that, the lack of the
resolution skills that we have as black men too, because
a lot of this stuff can just be a conversation,
the straight problem solving everything everything.

Speaker 1 (06:07):
You're right, everything is a conversation.

Speaker 5 (06:09):
Right, Bro, Let's just get to it real quick. Like,
I know it's at uncomfortable for me to come to
you with this, but I really feel like they stop
everything I've done for you, sacrifices that I put in,
even if it was some confusion around something we could
have talked through it, and you don't really see that.

Speaker 1 (06:26):
Man who because some ain't trying to hear that man,
ain't abo trying to hear emotions.

Speaker 5 (06:33):
And we still don't you know what I'm saying, Like
that's crazy motions.

Speaker 1 (06:36):
They don't want to hear it.

Speaker 3 (06:37):
But okay, so why why is it that they can?

Speaker 2 (06:40):
Why is it that people just wondering can go to
social media and let everybody know how they feel, but
they can't let the person which is the most always
been backwards to.

Speaker 5 (06:47):
Be which is kind of feminine to in a way,
like the way social media it's designed for you just
to go back and forth. Yeah, which is kind of
rooted in femininity. No disrespect the women, right, like a
man is supposed to engage that man and first hand, yep,
whatever it is is bothering me, we need to go
ahead and just air it out, even if we got

(07:07):
to shoot a fair one, and then after the fair one,
when the emotion subside, had that discussion, had that discussion.
But you're not seeing that amongst our community anymore.

Speaker 1 (07:18):
Yeah, that's old So ain't nobody that's old? It? Man?

Speaker 5 (07:25):
You be on too many simple conversation. It's over with.

Speaker 1 (07:28):
About fighting, Like, ain't nobody doing no fami ones no more.
It's old.

Speaker 5 (07:32):
If we're friends, though, I feel like we should. We
should if we friends, and we.

Speaker 3 (07:35):
Gotta sometime that friends. Stuff is going wrong too.

Speaker 1 (07:39):
How we fight and we're friends though.

Speaker 5 (07:41):
I'm just trying to understand comp resolution. That's what I
understand that. But it's like, that's what's happening. If we fight.

Speaker 1 (07:46):
I'm trying to knock your TV. You knocked my t
fat We still friends, let me ask you a question
of it.

Speaker 5 (07:50):
Because we lacked the communicator we can. We lack the
communication to just have the conversation. So sometimes it might
just have to come to that. And then after it
comes to that, motion subside, adrenaline comes down and it's like,
all right now, hey man, look, I was just.

Speaker 1 (08:05):
I think before we get to I think before we
get to fight, we should just put space in between us,
let us come down. Because time do kind of soften things.
It might not hear it. It is softening enough to well,
we move on with our life, and then we come
back and revisit that. We might not even talk about
it. It might be like our tripping and tripple. That's it.
We ain't gonna talk about because time trying to fight

(08:29):
and all that.

Speaker 5 (08:29):
I don't you ain't never just like fight.

Speaker 1 (08:35):
Because somebody got to lose in a fight.

Speaker 5 (08:38):
Long of them cameras now rolling, man.

Speaker 1 (08:40):
Bro who it's cameras.

Speaker 2 (08:41):
There is cameras every friends and the So y'all can
fight if y'all had a disagreement and think y'all can
hug it up after nah with a black eye and
a tooth mission.

Speaker 4 (08:51):
I think that. I think I think with my dog
and we just we too. I think I think we
just too we're too ill for that, Like it wouldn't
come to that because we can we could just talk
as men fact and not let our private and so
because I think I think everything just reversed to just
being too proud, you know what I'm saying, Like if if,
if you and I can speak as men and be

(09:14):
cool like whatever our differences are, and we get we
get through it.

Speaker 1 (09:17):
We get through it.

Speaker 4 (09:18):
But I think it's oftentimes it's just like folks just
just can't get get over themselves.

Speaker 1 (09:25):
I think me personally, I think we shouldn't. You just
shouldn't as people when you know you're very opinionated such
as myself. You just shouldn't even indulge in conversation with
people that just gonna go left. You know what I'm saying.
It's like we're cool, but we just gonna be cool.
You don't have to be on a personal level to
where we have in conversations because we don't agree.

Speaker 5 (09:46):
Right, I was gonna say agree to disagree.

Speaker 1 (09:48):
Yeah, so we don't agree. So there's no reason for
me and you to keep tangling up in conversations correctly,
because that's that's a disaster waiting to happen.

Speaker 5 (09:57):
That's what the whole agree to disagree is for you.

Speaker 1 (09:59):
Right, So I just be like, that's my boy, that's
my body, that's my body past that's it. That's it.

Speaker 4 (10:04):
Because some folks just be too ignorant and they can't
just you know, get past themselves. So like you said,
man like, if I can't talk to you, it is
what it is.

Speaker 1 (10:11):
You can't take people's opinion personal or don't. But you know,
with family and close type friends and business, you gotta
kind of it kind of become personal. Because I talk
stream every day more than I talk to my family
members like every day, So it's it's personal really. But
it's been, but it's personal. You get you know what
I'm saying. So it's like, but I know we are
the type of people if we disagree on something, I

(10:33):
can at least see your side. You can see my side,
and we can agree to meet it in the middle
of figure it out or you might be wrong or.

Speaker 3 (10:39):
It's on you.

Speaker 1 (10:40):
Go ahead with that strength and see if it works.
You know what I'm saying, And I'm gonna support it
for a thing, even if I don't see it. But
some people you just don't see how I with. Yeah,
we gotta know that too. Some people just not meant
to be in our conversation.

Speaker 2 (10:54):
The worst people to try to do that with those
people who don't take accountability. We'll all take accountability right here,
like I messed up. Yeah, that's on me, you know
what I'm saying. But some people will They gonna have
fifty million excuses, they gonna point the finger every which
way before it and.

Speaker 3 (11:08):
That make it worse.

Speaker 2 (11:09):
That really, that really brings something out of you, that
makes you more angry because it's like, you know that
you messed up. Just take accountability and let's move on.

Speaker 3 (11:16):
Correct.

Speaker 1 (11:16):
I think my biggest my biggest strong point is I
vent everybody, include myself.

Speaker 5 (11:22):
Hmm.

Speaker 1 (11:22):
You know what I'm saying, and that's that's that's real.
It's like I can vet you and see like how
because I'm a mirror, I can deal with you however
whatever necessary way for us to deal because I'm not
taking you personal absolutely or literally. It's just like you
know what I'm saying, we did being. I can do
being with people I don't like. I can I can
do have a friendship with people I don't like because

(11:43):
it's like I know how to adjust to it. I
don't take nothing personally.

Speaker 5 (11:47):
That's a mature mindset.

Speaker 3 (11:49):
That's very mature.

Speaker 5 (11:50):
And you do see that in business a lot, especially
when you get off to the corporate space. These folks
don't like each other and they do business as long
as they get to that bag and their families can benefit.
They keep it pushing. When do we get to evolve
as a collective to that place? Right, Because what happened
last fall or last timmer when you did that interview,
like it seems so obvious to me, but I'm not

(12:12):
from the culture right that these two should be able
to have a conversation around the bag. There's so much
on the table with y'all being together, we get this.
Some to bullshit happen, obviously, but we're gonna let all
of what could still be happening go by the wayside
because we just can't even have a simple conversation. We

(12:32):
might not like each other like we used to, we
might not be able to hang out like we used to.

Speaker 3 (12:37):
Right, But but.

Speaker 1 (12:38):
I think some conversations be meant supposed to happen before
it's unraveled. You get what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (12:52):
In those circumstances, how could it have happened?

Speaker 1 (12:56):
Say, if nobody want to say it nothing, If nobody
want to say nothing about each other, like one personal
when you try to like ruin me as a person
on my character, like people gonna take that person forever.

Speaker 5 (13:06):
Correct.

Speaker 1 (13:06):
That's why I said, Like earlier, I was like, if
I get a disagree with something before we fight or
fight on the internet, let's just put some space in
between us. Nobody ain't got to know we got no problem.

Speaker 5 (13:15):
Let's not fight on the internet. I said, no phones,
give what you're saying, no cameras.

Speaker 1 (13:20):
You know what I'm saying. I'm saying we fighting on
the internet as words too, Right, not just handing him
fighting like like you said back and for the female energy.
If we're going back and forth on the internet, we're
fighting correct Caddy, it's caddy, but we're fighting correct words.
Words are harmful, just like.

Speaker 4 (13:35):
Las, you're having the whole world involved to so now
you're looking crazy. Yep, you're trying to prove yourself. Like yo,
you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (13:41):
That's what we talked about on Scream Show. Like, especially
in our community too, we make the mistake of thinking
we're all monolithic. A lot of us come from what
we say monolithic, like we all come from the same
culture and the same background. Okay, yeah, when in reality,
like especially with me being from DC, I work with
a lot of black people. Well to do. We talked
about it on your show. Middle class high middle class

(14:03):
went to college educated and their fans of the culture
and they get into the comments sections and they pick
sides and they encourage the bullshit and it's like, wait
a minute, bro, like you should just be enjoying the
art of it.

Speaker 1 (14:17):
And they don't even care. They just they just they
it's just entertainment to them. But people are taking this
stuff personal. People are doing drugs, trying to escape that
reality because the people don't made not speaking on nobody
in particular. People have made the Internet their reality. See
that's the difference. I know what my reality is for real.

(14:38):
You get what I'm saying, Like the Internet is not
my reality, shouldn't be nobody.

Speaker 3 (14:44):
They say else.

Speaker 4 (14:50):
I think now we're a little bit too far going
from that. But like you said, folks made the Internet
the whole personality from fan bases, just your everyday person.
They feel like if I'm not if I'm not cool outside,
then I can create this person inside and whoever I
want to be. You know what I'm saying, just do

(15:10):
what I gotta do. And it is what it is.
So like it's just crazy right now.

Speaker 1 (15:15):
It's crazy.

Speaker 2 (15:15):
So it's the answer to engage and try to fix
some of this stuff, or disengage and let it be
what it is.

Speaker 3 (15:21):
The ladder.

Speaker 5 (15:22):
Somebody that works in tech hate to cut you off.
Bank work in tech. That's why I take the parameter
with this suspending and energy, the way they design these
apps to just.

Speaker 2 (15:30):
Have you going back and forth like a woman. So
disengage and let it be with it.

Speaker 5 (15:33):
You gotta find a way to get back into the
material world, right, because the parameters have been set by
socially awkward white men who've developed these apps, right that
we just blindly started to use. We never questioned while
we had to use these apps to interface and we
didn't have them before.

Speaker 3 (15:49):
Right.

Speaker 5 (15:50):
So now you got these socially awkward white men, the
Zuckerbergs of the world. They create these apps because they
don't know how to interface in the real world, and
we blindly just I never thought about that using them
these apps is making us, trying to make us like them. Yeah,
so go ahead, So yeah, we have to find a
way to slowly disengage and get back into the material world,

(16:12):
especially if you're not making money from these as.

Speaker 1 (16:14):
Okay, there we go.

Speaker 5 (16:16):
It's just about to say you just on it all
day with your attention, fragmented, got your data. Just you
forfeiting your data willingly. You know, you're just a user.
It takes us out of the user. Men set parameters
and build structures. Women fill them, women feel them. So
now you got just like a lot of men, and

(16:36):
you see people talking about the issues with masculinity now
and what's going on with men? Why do they feel
left out? Because we got to get back to just
general manhood. You got to get off the computer. You
got to get off the phone. Man ain't supposed to
be on the phone all day scrolling looking at pictures,
going back and forth about gunner and thug with an
opinion picking a side. Come on, like, No, you're supposed

(17:01):
to be working a construction job. We're getting all these
people out the country, whether you like it or not.
It's job opportunities. You can't tell AI to make a
make a house. Yeah yeah, come on, man, you're supposed
to be investing in x r P and bitcoin and
getting to the bag like and enjoy the enjoy the music.

(17:22):
You don't got to pick a side.

Speaker 3 (17:24):
I ain't at that.

Speaker 1 (17:26):
With the internet, you can't. Everybody can't disengaged though, because
there's some money to be made off. But you just
got to know what you're death for. You know what
I'm saying. The app you gotta know you gotta use
them to your advantage.

Speaker 5 (17:37):
You can't use let it.

Speaker 1 (17:39):
Use you, Like you just said, you're a user. So
that's an addic. That's what's happened.

Speaker 3 (17:43):
That's what it is.

Speaker 1 (17:44):
That's what.

Speaker 5 (17:46):
He had on a great point, Because you wake up,
you wake up. Sometimes you just hit the phone, hit
the phone like a pipe, because you don't even see
the spiritual aspect of what you're doing to yourself. Like
you got all the stuff on it, the content with
the gender wars and the raping this. You might wake
up in a good mood. Next thing you know, you've
seen a gender war video. Now that energy transference immediately,

(18:11):
immediately spiritual got you in the movie, like man, fuck bitches.
How they wake up in a good move and all
of a sudden your energy is fuck bitches And you
walk around anything, young lady, the first thing you see,
you gotta giving her attitude.

Speaker 1 (18:27):
Or that's crazy, bro, I ain't never thought about it.

Speaker 2 (18:31):
How long right for everybody? How long before y'all wake up?
Do y'all touch that phone to get on social media?
This year, I'll say, I've been doing an hour. I
ain't gonna cap screams January eight.

Speaker 3 (18:44):
This is so far.

Speaker 2 (18:45):
I've been taking an hour to myself before I touch
that phone get into it.

Speaker 4 (18:50):
So far, man, I ain't gonna hold you. Most times,
it'd be pretty much immediately, you.

Speaker 3 (18:55):
Know what I mean, Like soon as you open your eyes,
you see.

Speaker 4 (18:59):
Damn there, like just see what's going on. But like
I'm one of the people that just I'll be super observant.
I'm not going to be like engaged on everything chating
online all the time, because for real, a lot of
us on the internet, it just doesn't matter, like if
you just go out, just put the phone down, like

(19:20):
none of it matters. And there's some people in the
world that don't even know what's going on. It's so
much content, like gender world content. People might not even
know about that, like a lot of streamer a lot
of streamer content. There's something's going on in that world,
but someone else has no idea what's happening. Hip hop,
somebody somebody's listen to the country, I won't even know
like in that universe was going on, and it doesn't

(19:40):
even care. The whole Kendrick and Drake thing word those
people that don't even don't even care about it, didn't
even it didn't.

Speaker 5 (19:47):
Mean I know, there's a way for us to be
able to disengage.

Speaker 2 (19:51):
The way to disengage is just choose to disengage. You
just make a choice, like I'm gonna disengage, but you
gotta know why you're.

Speaker 3 (19:59):
When you're addicted to something.

Speaker 1 (20:01):
Ain't gonna lie.

Speaker 5 (20:01):
I'm gonna use you wake up and just touch the phone.

Speaker 1 (20:04):
But no, no, I put my phone in the other
rooms just so I can't just roll over and get it,
because I will. I'm an use it at times.

Speaker 3 (20:12):
I'm I'm reformed.

Speaker 1 (20:15):
No, you know, like obtaining one day at a time
because someone that might be used someone I erase the
app so you know what I'm saying. It got me.
It got me to the point of what he just
said just registered so hard. Like you can read something
and be like, just read just anything one of the quotes,
or listen to your friends backstare and now you're looking

(20:36):
at all your friends like that's the truth because it
sounds so triggering and true.

Speaker 3 (20:42):
And yes, the influence that's cold, this influence, I pray.

Speaker 5 (20:51):
I wake up. The first thing I do is talk
to God.

Speaker 1 (20:55):
Oh no, immediately talk to y'all.

Speaker 5 (20:58):
I grab it, but I grab it with a certain
level of intentionality and mindfulness. That's one thing we got
to practice in twenty six, especially in our culture, is mindfulness.
Be mindful of what you are paying your attention to.

Speaker 2 (21:11):
Hold a real quick book mark though. But you don't
have no Instagram though, right, or you got you know,
my issue.

Speaker 5 (21:17):
Because of what I do for a living, I can't
be out there as possible. So no, I don't have
the form of social media's like most people do. But
I'm still aware. I'm in the culture. I'm got you,
I got you, don't get drestured. I'm still hip. I
know what's going on out here. But no, I don't
have an Instagram, but still you pray. Yeah, and I'm
just mindful. Hey, look the gender war content, the rap stuff, right,

(21:40):
the women absorbed in themselves, the men absorbed in themselves.
I'm not trying to start my day with that and
with George trauma. Now, I got your trauma. And that's
not even for me, right, Like, nah.

Speaker 1 (21:56):
I'm trying to add to the algorithm. To add to
the algorithm me so to check by the way through
the algorithm. That's the thing.

Speaker 4 (22:06):
Like a business, Yeah, that's the thing like Montation made it,
made it to where anybody can really get to it.

Speaker 5 (22:12):
This bank though, you are a man of like principle
of the way for sure, So you're not using an
algorithm like a Charleston White. I'm just trying to say
nothing crazy, just for some attention. I don't see you
doing it.

Speaker 1 (22:24):
But guess what, I'm glad you said Charleston White. I
don't feel like this is what Charles White be saying
some crazy on purpose, on purpose, but he know what
he's doing. He's staying in the algorithm. He worked, he
has figured it out. I'm not this is the internet. Yeah,
this is a joke to me.

Speaker 2 (22:40):
You heavy in the algorithm though, you be up and
down all my page, all your quotes like you're heavy in.

Speaker 3 (22:45):
A lot of people.

Speaker 1 (22:46):
No, I get it because I'm being myself And that's
what great that was.

Speaker 5 (22:50):
That was my point exact. You're not making a caricature
out of yourself. He's making a caricature out of himself
to play the algorithm for monetization. Everybody don't want to
go there. Some of us just want to be ourselves.
Like you just say, is he wrong? In a way,
you can argue he is. How because of the impressionable minds,

(23:10):
they don't understand how he's playing the algorithm. Like to
Cliff's point, that might just see a clip of some
of the madness he said for attention and then define
him off of that, or take on the energy transference
that we've talked about the last fifteen to twenty minutes
because he does say some off the wall outlandish things.

Speaker 3 (23:31):
But she say, but you should shouldn't you think about
a comedian? All right?

Speaker 2 (23:35):
You should be able to take like I just watched
the Dave Chappelle. You should be able to take what
you want to take for face value and filter out
the risk.

Speaker 5 (23:42):
When we all had agreed upon truths, you could do that.
You don't have that. No more people get on there
and that think what they see.

Speaker 1 (23:48):
Is real, no doubt, but that. But is that on
the internet? Is that on the people that surround you
or your family? How you raised?

Speaker 5 (23:56):
Was said, we just agreed, we didn't set the parameters.
We didn't set the parameters.

Speaker 1 (24:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (24:02):
Yeah, so if you didn't set the parameters, you don't
control while the algorithm it's born centivized you. That stupid
to get attention. Now, this man will come in here
and tell you off the camera. I'm just playing a character.

Speaker 3 (24:13):
He said on camera.

Speaker 1 (24:14):
I like to us and white because he's saying everything.
You know what, people are just hearing what they now.
I don't like everything he said. I don't agree with
half of the stuff he says. But I get it.
I look at it like this what he's saying on
the camera. Bro, when he came to this game, Bro,
when I came with the bow tie, and nobody was
doing the community, nobody didn't want to kill nothing about me.
When I created this character, this bound feeding my family.

(24:37):
I can't be mad at the man for how he
feeded family. He ready to die, go to jail, kill
whatever about.

Speaker 5 (24:42):
That character and not knocking his hustle. I never knocked
a black man. That's the end user who took advantage
of the algorithm to work in his favorite I put
the emphasis back on the people that created the nonsense
exactly and structured it so you got to play a
character just to make a living.

Speaker 1 (24:58):
It's messed up, but somebody had to do it. Somebody
gonna do it.

Speaker 3 (25:02):
We all not.

Speaker 5 (25:03):
That's why we go back to every but we all
not gonna do that. You're not gonna do that. I'm
not gonna do that. I know you're not gonna do that.

Speaker 1 (25:09):
It's really all about how you use it.

Speaker 4 (25:10):
Because I see Bank all the time on TikTok, even
scream all the time on TikTok, and it was just
just just different clips and like I said, it's about
how you use it. Because with Charleston White, I think
I think what he does is intentional, but he has
that fan base and it's been working ever since.

Speaker 5 (25:26):
So we're all here and be sad if something happened
to him, because we all know what.

Speaker 1 (25:30):
He's doing, right, I think. So the other thing, he's
gonna let that.

Speaker 5 (25:39):
Budget.

Speaker 3 (25:39):
I think he said in the sense of, like I
get what he said.

Speaker 5 (25:43):
Everybody, man, everybody.

Speaker 2 (25:45):
Was so hard on Kevin Samuels, but it's like people
start missing when he was gone, like man actually still.

Speaker 5 (25:52):
Made a lot of sense.

Speaker 4 (25:52):
And yeah, and they stand true a lot of what
he was saying because I consume a lot of that
content just just because like I just find it interesting
how he speaks to women and people that call into
the show, because I think a lot of times, if
you just talk about this women in general, I think
sometimes they need some type of leadership or some type
of you know what I mean, some.

Speaker 5 (26:13):
Type of guidance, you know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (26:14):
So I think what he was doing, whether it might
have been aggressive or he was on point, but either way,
it was direct, and I think it was just a
lot of things that certain women needed to hear. But
to your point, though screen like it still stands true
people people might not have liked it then and some
people don't like it now. But regardless, I think a

(26:35):
lot of what he was talking about was just it's
just relevant no matter what.

Speaker 1 (26:38):
They've made it impossible for you to literally like a
lot of stuff I say. This podcast has been a
very humbling experience for me because it's calmed me down,
made me know I can't really be exactly who I
am because certch stuff I be wanting to say too,
for sure, but I just don't because me knowing people

(27:00):
watching and taking my words for face value and these
could be my feelings.

Speaker 5 (27:03):
That's what I just was pointed to.

Speaker 1 (27:05):
You get what I'm saying. But at the end of
the day, I want to do with Kane and you.

Speaker 5 (27:10):
Don't want to self centered it all?

Speaker 1 (27:12):
Yeah, yeah, but I can't though, you know what I'm saying,
because I chose this lane. But I can't be mad
with somebody who just don't give up. You can't listen
because what would I be if I didn't create this character?
Not me, I'm saying, a character people that's getting going
to get paid. What would I be if I didn't

(27:34):
create that.

Speaker 5 (27:34):
But let's keep the You're making a good point. But
then with ya, the one thing we got to take
into consideration with all mental health is the fact that
he is bipolar, and when he does lose it, people
negate that context and take what he's saying face value,
and that always bothers me.

Speaker 1 (27:51):
But the thing about it, we all bipolar.

Speaker 5 (27:54):
He just he's clinically diagnosed. That's different in our community.
I am too. I was get ready to go there,
no respecting anybody it. We got a lot of issues
that we don't like to.

Speaker 1 (28:07):
Talk about one hundred percent. But I know I'm just like,
I mean, even y'all how to contain it a little
bit where.

Speaker 5 (28:14):
Y'all have Wop on the show. Shout out to Wap
and his wife for being able to talk about some
of the stigma that's associated with the issues that a
lot of us have that we know we have in
our family and we just don't want to talk about it.
So folks not getting a treatment that they need, and
we know folks ain't rap too tight and be like
why so because so and so might schizophrenical that ship

(28:35):
running the family, Like, we just don't talk about this
is why we're suffering from some of the conflict resolution
problem solving skills. Yes, I feel like I could say anything.
As a man, you know you need to carry yourself
with a certain level of self control and self awareness,
and you know you can't say everything that comes to

(28:56):
your mind. You are a grown man.

Speaker 1 (28:59):
That you should be able to them like this, this,
this didn't listen. Not to cut you off, but this
was making this fake. If we look, if we be
one hundred percent honest, if everybody said their true true
what's being their true self, we would know how to

(29:19):
deal with everybody. If everybody's everybody's coming. Everybody got a character.
Most people got a character in life, not even on
the internet. Their life is a Character's gonna work with
a character for sure. Like I learned how to act
like that's what's messing it up. Like with Trump, he's
acting how he acts. He don't care about That's That's

(29:41):
what I'm saying. That's the problem with everything that's going on.

Speaker 5 (29:44):
President.

Speaker 1 (29:46):
He first black president. So so y'all hold hold up.
If everybody was being their self, their true, authentic self,
we wouldn't have these issues because we would know what
every problem was.

Speaker 5 (30:01):
You've never at any point had a society like that.
You've always had people that have to self governed. And
that's where strategy comes in. You don't worry everything you
want to say on your sleeve.

Speaker 3 (30:11):
Bank.

Speaker 5 (30:11):
Like I said, you you've pointed to your own evolution.

Speaker 1 (30:13):
No, no, you point I learned how to act. You
know what I'm saying. We had to learn how to act.
But what I'm saying, I don't. I don't. This ain't
what I want to do. I really want to say
certain ship and don't give a fuck about the consequences
about it. But I can't. But like you said, that's
come with growth and inner work and all this peace

(30:33):
and walking and drinking juices, being vegan, all that come
with that.

Speaker 5 (30:38):
That's that's your car. That's metacognition, you're thinking.

Speaker 1 (30:41):
But I really, in my soul you still want to
crash out to the match because it's so much stuff
that just urgs me. And I know I got these
grand kids coming up in this, my kids and camp.
It's just so much shit that urks me that I
really want to speak on, but it's just gonna sound
like a nagging granddad.

Speaker 3 (31:01):
There's ways to do it, though, there's ways to do it.

Speaker 2 (31:03):
Like I feel like, okay, a podcast is one platform,
but then there's certain stuff you can get by. I'm
not saying get away with it, but like in a book,
if you do a book or you do something else,
it's other ways to express that. You can get your
whole mind and get your shit off in different ways.

Speaker 5 (31:18):
So that takes us back to the first question you
asked when we sat down the music, did you listen
to the project?

Speaker 3 (31:23):
I said, it to.

Speaker 5 (31:26):
That. So that's really what we're doing. We're taking that
aggressive energy and a lot of the music that has
no real content direction in it, and we're channeling it
for people who want to take that energy out in
the gym. So you transmute that aggressive energy in the
gym and it ends up working to your benefits.

Speaker 1 (31:48):
You're right, That's why I play golf, when I go hiking,
listen to music while I'm doing it it, do it,
do it, do kind of you know what I'm saying,
But some balance. But what's That's why I said, we
all have issues, bro, correct trust me, bro, everybody. If
you're a black man in America, Bro, if you're a
black man in it, well Bro, you got issues, bro definitely,

(32:11):
most definitely, because we harbor too much and we try
to poke our chests out, cheerin up too much. Well,
sometimes it's try to lay down and just cry about it.
We try to poke, but all this up in there.
They're like a laxative man for real, though they.

Speaker 5 (32:27):
Say any else will sell when I get big fat.

Speaker 4 (32:32):
That's that's the thing with me, like with grief, like
with my folks sometimes, Like yo, I think, like in
my adult life when my mom passed back in twenty fifteen,
and I never cried that much like in my adult
life period. So anytime I do feel, I just allow
myself to feel. I can't. I can't hold it. I
can't hold it in because if I hold it in,
I'm gonna go outside and like I might just act

(32:54):
out of character and not care about what I think
about those consequences. Like you said, like Yo, I know
you might think a certain thing or people want to
do certain things. I say certain things, But if I
hold in all that aggression, then I might not care,
and then that might stop me from getting certain club
gigs as a DJ, getting certain it's the business, I mean,

(33:14):
that's the money up. Yeah, exactly the money money up.
So I just I've just been allowing myself within these
past ten years just to just feel.

Speaker 1 (33:22):
So I don't like just lose it all.

Speaker 5 (33:25):
Can the black Man just feel?

Speaker 1 (33:27):
Word?

Speaker 5 (33:27):
And the project to speaking of feel, It's so it's
three projects. The most recent project represents growth. They're like capsules.
The first is pain. I was dealing with a lot
of crazy madness in my personal life. Took it to him.
You put together a project that captured it perfectly, the
project we promoted last year on your show. Second version
is more fun. It represents healing right. Last one growth

(33:52):
and then you look at like from a spiritual standpoint.
The Chakras projects starts off with two three six records
Love three six that aggression. I'm in the gym, That's
what I need, start flexing and getting it up out
of me. So you started the root chakra and you
work your way up to what you said, Feel my
Heart project make you wanna feel something? You got bank

(34:13):
Roll fresh on the anterlude and we all miss bank
talking about Hardy getting ready to go from a clip
in twenty sixteen. Twenty fifteen, just ended.

Speaker 1 (34:21):
All knew everything.

Speaker 5 (34:21):
I all knew everything. You know the clip. Yeah, go
right in the Bank's record, New Crib on the way
all that. Then we end at the heart after Pool
shikes the fdo Madness. We go right into Married to
the Game by Pluto and then I do this with
Nipsey and Thug then Mazie.

Speaker 2 (34:37):
See that's the beautiful man. I think that's what the
music was for. The music was. This music was not
meant to be taken literal, you know what I'm saying.
The music was meant as a soundtrack for however you're doing,
whatever you do on your day to day life. Is
when we start taking it too literal the problem started. Yeah,
absolutely absolutely, we gotta start using it.

Speaker 5 (34:55):
This more of a two now as well. And I
really blame my Pero more than anything, because we still
got cousins, a lot of us just one generation removed
from poverty, just one generation. You might have came up,
like I said, high middle class, you know, college educated, whatever, whatever,
br you just one generation removed. That means your parents
sacrifice to put you in a position, That's all I mean.

(35:16):
But your cousins, some of them on both sides, they
still in it. They still in it to win it.
And the fact that like I think Bank was saying,
we take that culture and almost like white boys, little
white boys, little white girls do start to become fanatics
of it and cheer on the ignorant aspects of it.

(35:37):
You almost incentivize them. And this is before the algorithm.
You almost incentivize them to start playing caricatures of their life.
They're like, oh, well, if I can't make it out,
but my only way out is to talk about criminality.

Speaker 1 (35:52):
Yep.

Speaker 5 (35:53):
Well, and you know my bigger cousins that look like
me they like it too. Maybe I'm gonna just go
wrap and you get in them spaces and then people
that look like you they want to sign you, or
the people that want to sign you don't even look
like you.

Speaker 1 (36:10):
And then you get the money. They get the money,
they funk around and be a starf get the money,
then they actually can get some people around them like that. Now,
we like that, but you ain't never been like that,
you know what I'm saying. That's how I go like

(36:31):
your money made you like that. That happens a lot though,
got too much, too much.

Speaker 5 (36:36):
We gotta get back in control of our of our collective.

Speaker 1 (36:39):
How we do it? Bro the solution we know the problem.

Speaker 5 (36:42):
I don't have all the answers you got one. I
think we probably need to just start small, like we're
starting with health. Health clears your mind, the mental cognition.
The benefits that you get from a clear mind help
you be able to think. When you went through your process,
if I could crash out, if I think about everything
I got going up, you start to immediately like and

(37:03):
then neatedly that introspection piece. Got to be able to
self reflect most of that.

Speaker 1 (37:08):
Yeah, that's important.

Speaker 5 (37:10):
Look in the mirror, Gunna, Look in the mirror. You
came home screaming, freaked up. He made it seem like
everything was cool. All of a sudden, the man came
home and he's upset and maybe rightfully so, based off
how he see things, and all of a sudden, you
don't say nothing. He got hurt. That interview with you,

(37:32):
that man, he's about to cry.

Speaker 1 (37:34):
You would crying.

Speaker 5 (37:36):
Y'all need to talk so simple things communication and we
don't need to talk on social media. We need to
talk as men. You know what I'm saying. I'm still
signing you you put me on. We ain't talk about that?
What part twenty fifteen, twenty fourteen, How that man shifted

(37:58):
the over ten in the window. What's accepted in trap music?
Oh my god, break it down. What's your feeling?

Speaker 3 (38:06):
Was it?

Speaker 5 (38:06):
Out of towner man? I had to come down for
a detail. We talked about this, like we never heard
anything like that before, specifically when he was in that pocket,
the slurring his words when he was really spitting his aesthetic,
the way he was pushing the boundaries with the different clothes.
When you thought trap music at one point, go back

(38:28):
to that era and you that memg that time before
that you thought and conceived the music a certain way.
After that, it was like we do anything with this.
It was a good thing, bad thing, A good thing
because it makes the music in the art more universal,
basically like a modern od three three thousand got you Yeah, yep, Pluto,

(38:51):
same way. Both of them got crazy work ethics. So
to be able to see that as an out of towner,
I was just like Wow. I didn't realized like at
those moments, I'm living through a golden era of Atlanta music,
you know. But the trigger that thought is like Gunna
comes after that. Doug influenced so many artists like Bro.

(39:12):
You wouldn't have am like gonna say you would have
a career, but you might not be where you are
if it wasn't for this man, right, and the work
did he put in, And at the time when he's
putting it in again, I'm an out of time. I
keep level setting with that context for a reason. It
wasn't like everybody liked it.

Speaker 3 (39:30):
You from d C, correct, how did you view what
was your perspective of Atlanta?

Speaker 1 (39:36):
Then?

Speaker 3 (39:36):
Versus your perspective of Atlanta.

Speaker 5 (39:38):
You're capturing the context.

Speaker 3 (39:40):
It was.

Speaker 5 (39:42):
GZ Gucci, black culture, black cookouts, black festivals, a place
where black mecca still exists because at one point that
was DC. So that was my perception. And then I
come down and I'm on the ground. Oh and then
some of the new oppiing and stuff, well Dr York
Big Kid before we got in trouble, and that's what's

(40:06):
going on twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen.

Speaker 3 (40:09):
They like Dug.

Speaker 5 (40:10):
I'm like, Dug, what is thug? Then I get like,
I think with that some of his music, I just
never heard music like that, Right, It wasn't just regular
sixteen bars. And then you look at him and he
looks that's when he's mild nursed with the gold Teeth,
and it was just like what It's like, Damn, he
put it down like that. And then you read the

(40:30):
lyrics here like he actually flowing and rapping and snapping.
So it's like now, I'm like, damn, I'm in the
midst of a whole new renaissance. I didn't even conceptualize.

Speaker 3 (40:40):
Being in.

Speaker 2 (40:43):
How you pursue compared to then, and this for everybody,
How do y'all perceive Atlanta now? Because I know a
lot of people will say unity and this and that,
and like you said, Black Metter have.

Speaker 5 (40:53):
Fun and cost Rico different, post COVID different, a lot
of out of towners, a lot of people just came
down here for the lord of it, and it just
feels different now.

Speaker 4 (41:07):
I think, just on on the music side, I think
that I think that's more variety. You got people like
Playboard CARDI that's different from Baby and you know what
I mean. So I think that's some variety in the
underground scene too, that's really coming up. So I think
Atlanta ten years ago or fixteen years ago, like the
city is still prominent in the music scene just in general,

(41:31):
still influential. Like I think I think Atlanta and Mephis
is like right there with each other, you know what
I mean, just just period. I don't care what region.
I think, Atlanta Mythhis really got it. So just yeah,
like they still got it, got the game in the
palm of their hands, like no matter how you spin it. Yeah,
like you can't say it away from them. It just

(41:52):
that's just it. It is what it is.

Speaker 3 (41:55):
You think.

Speaker 1 (41:57):
Earlier y'all said about Trump, you said Trump.

Speaker 5 (41:58):
To go, not to go. I said he was thorough,
meaning that. Let me be clear too, because I know
people gonna see this backroom. I did not say to go.
He says what he's going to do. He follows through.

Speaker 3 (42:09):
He does.

Speaker 5 (42:10):
Seldom have you seen a politician, especially a conventional politician
that came up in the politics world. I was a governor,
I was a senator. Now a president actually follow through
with the things they say they're going to do. They
might get an office and do one thing, two things.
You know, Trump gets in there and he's just having
his way. So that's what I meant when I said
he's thorough. His temperament sometimes seems a little off. He

(42:33):
could be governed by his emotions. But no, I don't
think he's a go. If I had to say, like
go for a President Parker like LBJ or maybe in
my lifetime maybe President Clinton. But I wouldn't Clinton. Yeah, bro,
I wouldn't. You know, maybe history will be kinder to
President Trump. But I get his appeal. I think on

(42:54):
the progress support with Li Lai mentioned. While I understand
his his appeal, he comes across like a my Chismo
rapper from the nineties with the women. You know what
I'm saying, And you see the clips room from back
in the day with all the women. He's been divorced
like three times and shit. So I get his appeal.
But at the same time, you know, we somebody running
the country and that's different than like, you know, just bravado.

Speaker 2 (43:16):
How you think this pulling up and just taking people
trap end up as a person who.

Speaker 5 (43:21):
That's been going on historical context. We talked about this
out in the in the lockery. President Obama took Goadaffie
out and Goodafi was a good leader, a good leader
like he was thorough. All he was trying to do
is get away from the dollar, right, got that, But
Obama must have got that call. We don't want that

(43:41):
next thing, you know, Goodafi's out of here. Same thing
in Venezuela. Now the President Trump. And the reason I
bring that up is people like picking sides with the
parties on this side better than that side. If we
had k Mala in there, this wouldn't have If we
had came out in there, got the call Venezuela, lead
would have been removed. Thing, same thing.

Speaker 1 (44:04):
So that's how they saying Trump bucketing systems doing it
his way, like ride pay the gas station light. Oh too, We.

Speaker 5 (44:12):
Got to stop giving Trump too much credit.

Speaker 3 (44:15):
It's somebody a bun.

Speaker 5 (44:17):
We gotta stop giving Trump too much credit.

Speaker 3 (44:19):
The man worked with them, not with them, but he
works closer. You work for the d OJ. You can
say that.

Speaker 5 (44:26):
Yeah, so you're.

Speaker 1 (44:27):
Saying everything got something to do with something else.

Speaker 5 (44:31):
Correct. Correct. The higher up you go, you know, the
more you see how things really work. Okay, and you
just make a mental note if you, like I said
to answer, you have other question too, like how could
we change things? You start small, but the ultimately you
work towards changing institutions. Institutions still matter. Yeah, the world
might change because social media is rewired the way we

(44:52):
interact with each other, and people might seem different, But
institutions still matter. You still stop it red lights. You
still wanted how your grandkids had the best life, so
they getting college funds. Your cousin is an investment banker,
he got investment knowledge with Marriage still matters, even though
in our community we've tried to denigrate, it still matters.

(45:14):
Try getting into your partners doctor room, the medical room,
and they're going through something that you ain't the power
of attorney because you ain't the real wife or the
real husband.

Speaker 1 (45:24):
That's quiet.

Speaker 5 (45:25):
Try we got parents, we lost. Tried getting a life
insurance policy. Hopefully there is one. But but but folks
ain't married. They just extended girlfriendhood, extended boyfriendhood.

Speaker 1 (45:37):
And forget about it.

Speaker 5 (45:39):
You're looking like what them life insurance policies be game changers.
That's really where a lot of their generation and wealth
comes from their wills and their life insurance policies. Yeah,
we over here like, man, get married, not married to
the game life future? Man, You ain't future. Take care
of her. She loves you, She waut your dirty drug.

(46:02):
How long did you go build a life? How you
gonna build a life? You don't get married. That's an institution.
You said that Marriag's an institution, Yes, sir, So you're
saying people should get mad in our community. We should
refocus around coming together and looking at it is a
way to get ahead, because that's how you build a life.

(46:22):
That's the purpose of it, building a life formally, not informally.
Not that's my girlfriend for thirty years, okay, and no
scenarios I just gave you. Since she's your girlfriend for
thirty years. When it's time for y'all to get to
the nooks and crannies and the critical things. She ain't
your power of attorney, like she ain't in your will,

(46:43):
sheoul ain't have access to it. And because she's just
the girlfriend, well we want to take all that money
and send it right back to the state. Good job.
And then we take these negative tropes and we just
promote this nonsense to the youngins. And they's so impressionable,
you know what I'm saying. Now, they're like, get married.

Speaker 3 (47:01):
I don't even like women.

Speaker 5 (47:03):
Bitchy's like, bro, never do that ship again, bro. And
we can't get ahead. We at the bottom of every
category that matters. And here come AI.

Speaker 4 (47:16):
Now, hey, y'all about to change the game. It's already
changing the game. It's already changing the game. Man, I'm
just outside.

Speaker 1 (47:23):
Man. You like that. Man, it's too far gone. Man.
You gotta know when to hold them, know when the
for you gotta change within you and with your little crew. First,
you can't reach out, you know what I'm saying, and
let them see what we're doing and speak on on
these podcasts hopefully somebody pick up on it. It's like,
it's too fun gone, bro. It gives you, It gives

(47:45):
you anxiety to deal with people.

Speaker 4 (47:46):
Absolutely, absolutely my tripper because because you just don't know
sometimes how to navigate through things.

Speaker 5 (47:52):
It's it's so much going on with the news. And
they did it on purposely design social media everything every
day you picked up on you whelming yourself with information
to the point when you are handicapped and don't know
which way is up. They're doing this on purpose. It's
psychological warfare. That's crazy, that's insane. And I'm telling you
that with the context you just gave the world of

(48:14):
who I am. It's psychological warfare. If we overwhelm you
with information, we render you handicap cognitively to the point
where you don't even want to even get in a
relationship no more. Why everybody?

Speaker 3 (48:26):
So you said this is all designed.

Speaker 5 (48:28):
Of course, I believe control chaos.

Speaker 1 (48:32):
I believe that.

Speaker 2 (48:33):
From the food to the relationships, to the family structure,
to the economic structure, to the.

Speaker 5 (48:39):
Thirty year forty year play and guess who's still at
the bottom. Us niggas are like me and you.

Speaker 3 (48:46):
Yeah yeah, bank will say that's cold.

Speaker 1 (48:50):
That's cold.

Speaker 5 (48:53):
So hopefully you know a lot of what we're talking
about on the show. You know, it gets out there
like yeah it. Don't just be a blind user on
the internet all to get donating your attention for free
comment on topics. I got nothing to do with your
life giving your opinon OPININGNA.

Speaker 1 (49:12):
Tell you, bro, I gotta confess, Bro, you're speaking to me.
I'm gonna stop sending that stuff to people. Yeah, you
know what I'm saying, all that, you gotta stop, like
I'll be sending them but bull ship the people.

Speaker 3 (49:26):
He will, you said some fool ship too, but you will.

Speaker 1 (49:30):
Yeah, man, I like that.

Speaker 5 (49:34):
I got I got girl cousins, girl cousins and relationships.
Call me gi my man can't change a tire? What
he can't? What that's your man? You can't We need
help come cut the grass. We need help, come cut

(49:54):
the grassy. Don't got a lawnmower.

Speaker 1 (49:58):
What it's nasty outside, but here.

Speaker 5 (50:01):
On the phone all day. You have an out of
body experience. If you have an in theory, imagine what
it looked like to see you just doing this all
day and doing this all day. And I always just
go back that one looking at yourself.

Speaker 3 (50:13):
Damn, what if you looked at yourself and what you did.

Speaker 5 (50:17):
Instagram jacket man, bro, You're supposed to be outside making
a way for you.

Speaker 1 (50:24):
You popping it.

Speaker 4 (50:25):
Even that, just that just affects club culture too, Like
just as a DJ, I see that same thing, folks,
not as engaged no matter what's going on, Like you
could be killing it on the.

Speaker 3 (50:35):
Share phones, killed the clubs, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (50:37):
Like, even but even so, I think that's such a
it's such a nuanced conversation with that too, because it's
not just it's not just that I think like sections
kind of kills certain things. And you know what I'm saying, folks,
Heaven is.

Speaker 5 (50:49):
Like we ain't even relating anymore what you're saying.

Speaker 2 (50:52):
Yeah, babies happen in a restaurants with people like me
and my wife looking at people on their phone the
whole time.

Speaker 3 (50:58):
How the hell they're gonna.

Speaker 1 (50:59):
Get addicted, especially when people walk around them if they
like you really like a robot?

Speaker 5 (51:07):
I mean, correct what I just said.

Speaker 1 (51:08):
We are connected to your phone.

Speaker 5 (51:10):
We are still lad, but we're not being intentional with
how we have, how we engage. We're not being intentional.
We're still making babies, but we just be more intentional
with sex. Sex is serious.

Speaker 3 (51:22):
They say anything else, ship right at the sex, you
grab the phone.

Speaker 5 (51:29):
But we didn't bastardized. We didn't bassardize the practice in
our community so long like people just take it for granted,
Like and then you look up people to be making
babies and there's no path for the child.

Speaker 1 (51:43):
You're like, why do I even have a kid. They
broke a little baby.

Speaker 5 (51:47):
Man, we're already dealing with madness. You just kind of
adding to it in a way, not saying that that
child could be doing because you never know how a
child's life will turn out. Start bob to make the top,
no matter what odds.

Speaker 1 (51:59):
Just that instead.

Speaker 5 (52:01):
But we could, at this information age that we're in,
could be more intentional around sexuality and who we make fabies.

Speaker 1 (52:09):
With yeah, making trauma child Yes, because if I'm boring
into some posts like a pole life drummer, that's just
what it is. That's just what everybody that comes from
the struggle, any type of struggle. You may not know,
we may have made the best out of it. You
may not know that you're trauma tiede, but you are.

Speaker 5 (52:30):
It's twenty twenty six. We want to have these conversations,
shed light on this stuff so we could leave a
lot of it behind us. Not judging anybody in the
circumstances they may be in or they came out of,
or how they live their life. But with the information
that we do have, we should be aren't ourselves with

(52:50):
it to make better decisions. If we can have a
conversation around starting a family and building a life, let's
do it. Let's do it because the family and the
children to benefit that much more from it. Why because
two people came together and they wanted me to be here.
I wasn't born from young Dolph's preached two shots to

(53:12):
Hennessy in some wings and I ain't really even want
to see you after that. I just wanted to get
what I wanted to get out of it, and now
we got Tyrone and I don't even really want to
be his dad. And seventy four percent of Black children
are born out of wedlock. That's almost one hundred percent.

(53:34):
And then we wonder why the young men in our
community are having a crisis where they think Vin Samuel
was the second coming. A lot of what I was
listening to from Kevin Samuels, my father taught me. It
was common sense to me, So when I was hearing
it, it was just like something I already heard growing up,
So I would just look at it like, okay, you know.
And then when he died, I think what sensationalized it
for me is a lot of the women now felt

(53:55):
comfortable coming out saying, well, he was right, Okay, that
was interesting.

Speaker 3 (53:59):
That's what I was saying.

Speaker 5 (54:00):
But a lot of what he was saying in real time,
like my pops told me that stuff. So when you
look at men that are overly feminized, and we're not
knocking nobody community, we're just saying there's no balance and
there's no real masculinity there, at least in a conventional way.
If Mama raised him and all he know is that
you can't fault him for that and shout out to
my lg BTQ brothers and sisters. We love y'all too, baby,

(54:23):
open arms, no judgment, We love y'all right. But dads
and family structure has its place still. And when we
look up one day and we're like, how did we
get like this in twenty twenty six, Happy New Year,
it's all these problems, brou that's how. So we got
to do better accountability, Charleston White. It's cool because, like

(54:45):
the Boondocks, for the first time or the second time
ever in modern history, we got somebody who can point
out dysfunction in our community and not get the kind
of critique that most of us get when we point
out dysfunction. A lot of time, when you point out
the function in the black community, people get upset. Right,
Oh man, I don't need a dad. My mama did

(55:07):
a great job. Bruh, listen, father, you.

Speaker 1 (55:11):
Feel like he pulling he pointed, he pulling out some
good points.

Speaker 5 (55:14):
Yeah, he does make good points. But the boom Docks
did it perfectly because with the boonm Docks, they pointed
out the dysfunction and captured it in a way where
none of us really critiqued it. We didn't hate the
boom Docks. If anything, that kept us engaged, and it
was pointing out all the issues in our community. So
that's the only time in modern recent history you've seen

(55:34):
some of the stuff that we don't want to be
accountable for pointed out on that kind of stage, and
none of us got fragile around it. They put the mirror,
for sure, they put the mirror. They get fragile around Charleston.
But that's the world we live in now. The femine
energy is taken over, you know, And he's just can't
believe he said that. It's like, bro, he doing this
on purpose. Like you still ain't caught on you just
the user, you just but but yeah, it's time to

(56:00):
call it out and it's time to make a change.
In twenty twenty six.

Speaker 2 (56:05):
Speaking of change, so twenty twenty six, let's touch on
three things real quick.

Speaker 3 (56:08):
Before your slat.

Speaker 2 (56:10):
Somebody says, man, I want to work out, but I
don't know how. I want everybody to kind of just
give a little gym or how you can start your
fitness journey, because it's really a lot easier than a
lot of people think. You gotta go spend a bunch
of money, get a gym membership and all that. But
it's really most simple to.

Speaker 5 (56:24):
Stay away from the sensational influencer culture. Start small. You
don't need the fanciest gym, might not even need the gym.
Might just be able to start with going for walks. Yep,
that's how you started, right, You just went outside going
for walks. Don't let it be about your camera. People
always trying to encourage me to post videos of curling
and squats. Not about that, right, Make it about whatever

(56:48):
your personal goal is and how it enhances your overall
quality of life. Have that goal ironed out. Don't let
it be about likes, views and comments. It's not why
you're getting into.

Speaker 3 (57:00):
Go do it for yourself.

Speaker 1 (57:01):
Correct.

Speaker 5 (57:03):
Next thing, you know, you'll be caught up and I
gotta have al and I gotta have the Nike shoes,
and I gotta have the big the leggings. They got
leggings now for women. Men, Please stay focused. Booty leggings
now make the women look like knocking your focus. That's
not why you hear. So keep the right mindset too.

Speaker 1 (57:23):
Definitely, yeah one.

Speaker 4 (57:24):
I think it just starts with the mental just actually
wanting to get fit and just as simple as going
up in neighborhood. Just walk, you know, to go go
super crazy, just start somewhere, like even whether you're in
school or whatever. Just just taking some time. I think
a lot of time people people just don't think they
have time. But man, you can just do what you

(57:46):
gotta do.

Speaker 5 (57:46):
You've got time to blindly scroll time to get them
numbers back on your phone.

Speaker 3 (57:51):
I scrolled.

Speaker 1 (57:53):
Time. Word.

Speaker 4 (57:54):
Yeah, people like it, just one just like I said,
making that time, taking that time, and just start, like
like you said, starting small, whether you walk or you
know what I mean, have some friends, Like I think
support is walking group running support is just as important too.
So if you can find some people that's that's like minded,
correct and keep going like that. So yeah, it don't

(58:16):
take much, you know what I mean, just just if
you want to do it, you can.

Speaker 5 (58:20):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (58:21):
You don't have to lose like thirty forty pounds in
like two days. As we say it, consistency compoundsistency for sure,
that's progress.

Speaker 5 (58:28):
Every day you look up, that's how you burn calories.
Or just meet us at am a color what is it?
Amma Cola falls for.

Speaker 3 (58:36):
The next hiking with bank.

Speaker 1 (58:37):
Hiking with bank pulling up, y'all pull up on us. Okay,
you know, we got a support group. So if it's
your third time, we got people that's gonna be with
your top, which is be like one hundred and two
hundred of us sometimes fit this. Sometimes you never know.
But it's free, totally free, no sign up, Just pull up,
follow paid hiking with bank.

Speaker 3 (58:56):
Y'all pull up on the perfect I want to eat better,
but I don't know how.

Speaker 5 (59:03):
Man. That's deep. And that's also what's got us in
this hypnosis is the food. The diety is a tough part.
Of course, it is more important than it working out,
and that's playing a role. And while we're in a
degregated state too. As a collector, a lot of us
are obese. Obesity is definitely gonna affect you know what

(59:23):
I'm saying, your everyday life. Definitely gonna affect your cognition.
That's tough. I say you could probably start looking at
glp ones. Gop ones are brain drugs that you know
right now people are seeing a lot of results with
cutting weight and turning down the food noise in your brain.

(59:44):
And when you do that, a lot of the cravings
that you have before you no longer have. So it's
easier for you someone like a hack. It's easier for
you to get away from that center, bund those wings
because your mind is no longer sending those signals to
your stomach to crave it. So I would say, look
into how you can access a GLP one to reverse

(01:00:07):
some of that, and make sure you do your homework.

Speaker 1 (01:00:10):
I'm not a doctor.

Speaker 5 (01:00:12):
A lot of these GLP ones are still relatively new,
uh so we don't even know what these side effects
look like yet. Olympics and the glue tide, they're a couple.
Other way. If you go, I might be mispronouncing it
the natural way to do it. If you don't want
to take Olympic foods that will This is gonna sound crazy.
Y'all made fun of me out there. There's black coffee

(01:00:32):
you curve your appetite and give you energy. There's L
carntine if you want to target belly fat ladies. A
lot of the ladies who want to consult me about
roan what my belly? What can I do? I want
to lose my gut? I always pointed in the direction
of L. Carntine one shot that they can help again.
A clean diet. There's no cut corners. It's not sexy.

Speaker 3 (01:00:53):
You got to eat right. You got to eat right, right,
eat right, that's my that's my answer.

Speaker 1 (01:00:58):
Yeah, And you gotta gross yourself out first. You gotta
go see what you eat. Once you see what you're eating,
that'll do introspect. Introspection, bank, that's the truth. That's what
it did to me, Like looking at them gorging out
ship all this stuff that's online, like googling, like, what's

(01:01:20):
really what they're doing to the food now, conspiracy theorists
go look at a lot of that, like a whole
bens on that.

Speaker 5 (01:01:27):
Not even real food.

Speaker 1 (01:01:29):
Bro know, they showing how the sickness being in them
cows and they just cutting it out like a bunch
of puffs and they put them on the line.

Speaker 5 (01:01:38):
All I got a question for you before you get
to your third question, because you guys know him. What
makes twenty one so emotionally mature? Because he seems like
he may be the most emotionally intelligent artistuff Is Peers.

Speaker 4 (01:01:54):
I think Thug was like that too, Like when I
watched the interview Thugs, the way he's able to articulate
himself and just really even even going back to his
childhood and talking about why he might be the way
he is. I think that was super dope, and I
didn't I didn't realize that about him. You just see
the music and you don't really see anything else.

Speaker 2 (01:02:11):
But I'm gonna throw something out. I think I think
a lot of our brothers is smart. It's just that
the media and how the media what they choose to
talk to them about. When you're looking at what Bank
did with twenty one and Thud, he talked to them,
these my partners and let me really talk to them
is like therapy rather than Okay, sit down, let's talk
about a lot of bullshits so we can try to get.

Speaker 5 (01:02:30):
Why don't most of them go to therapy?

Speaker 1 (01:02:34):
Bro, That's the same thing like saying telling somebody they
hurt your feelings, the same Sorry. It's like I'm saying,
you know, I'm not I'm not like justifying, but I
get it because I'm being in the mindset like, Bro,
I don't need nobody to talk to about me. You
get what I'm saying, But we really do. It's just
it's just everything that we taught was right is basically wrong.

(01:02:55):
Everything we talked was wrong, was basically right. You know
what I'm saying. We do need somebody to aso you
know what I mean. Absolutely, I don't know if it's
a therapist, preacher, if it's your girl, if it's whoever. Somebody,
there's gonna be none. Just gonna hold you accountable. Yeah,
that's that's the thing, and that you're not afraid to
be vulnerable.

Speaker 5 (01:03:14):
With accountability vulnerability. We keep hearing these keywords throughout the
entire interview.

Speaker 1 (01:03:21):
And over so yeah, I just feel like, you know,
it's that armor. We all got that armor on, you
know what I mean?

Speaker 5 (01:03:30):
Yeah, due twenty one. For whatever reason, it seems like,
and this is just outside looking in, he seems to
be very emotionally intelligent, doesn't have an issue being vulnerable,
you know, and articulated some of the things that some
folks may just be uncomfortable about. And it stands out
and I do agree when thus shared this trauma. Once again,
here's our community picking sides. It's like, if in this moment,

(01:03:50):
if you can't at least get this man grace based
off of how he's telling you he grew up and
all you care about is, like we said it in
Suchember the album coming out, or Ghanna Gunner's Abs Gunner's
album was better. It's like, Bro, you guys have completely
missed the Marcus humans. This man is telling you he
grew up in abject poverty in America, in in in Atlanta.

(01:04:17):
That shouldn't make your antenna stand.

Speaker 1 (01:04:18):
I think, I think is the like you said, the
users fault man, because we put so much pressure on
people when they get a status like they just not
regular people anymore. Humanity. These everybody still regular, wake up,
their eyes open, their eyes open the same way, you

(01:04:40):
know what I'm saying, by the function, the same way.
These people are regular people.

Speaker 5 (01:04:43):
Why in our community do we not have baseline grace?
But what you just said is so common in our community.
Why don't we have grace?

Speaker 3 (01:04:52):
Kindergarten man in kindergarten?

Speaker 5 (01:04:57):
Everybody else culture as crazy as they are, and they
come with because they got.

Speaker 3 (01:05:01):
Iss used to.

Speaker 2 (01:05:02):
They teach compassion in Eastern philosophy. They don't think teaching
that in the Western. It ain't just black Western civilization.
They ain't teaching no compassion.

Speaker 5 (01:05:10):
I wish we had more of an Eastern spirituality aspect
of how we teach sex that's.

Speaker 1 (01:05:16):
How I get I get how how how like when
people get be ready to crash out on the internet
and do out it, I get it because it's like
y'all not hearing me that makes you crash out, Like
y'all got a big misconception of me, Like I don't
let this entertainment make y'all make me feel like I'm
somebody that I'm not. And people be feeling like they
can beat the internet or try to to the internet.

Speaker 5 (01:05:38):
Can that's how they set it up. Get off of
it now you want, baby, that's what they don't want
you to know exactly. Keep you on the app all
day long. I want your data. Get off that. Start
separating yourself from right, Start separating yourself from it. This
probably not gonna like me after I put this out there.

(01:06:00):
I don't care. We need it as a collective. What
was your third question?

Speaker 3 (01:06:03):
I'm sorry, finally facts tired of being broke.

Speaker 2 (01:06:07):
I want to get some money, twenty six, some real money.

Speaker 1 (01:06:13):
Man.

Speaker 4 (01:06:14):
You start one in so many ways. It's so many ways,
I think because because I can send myself a creative.
So if you are a creative and looking to make
some money, learn like if you're a producer or DJ.
I think one honing in on the craft is number
one because you can't be out here whack and try
to get a placement or get a gig. So I

(01:06:35):
think just one honding it on the craft, learning the craft,
actually studying it, studying everything, and just like with just
like working out, start small, like yo, I'll do this
network that's important too. But man, it's some always get
money out here in the internet monetization if you if
you got away with words, or if you're you take

(01:06:58):
dope pictures or I'm thinking like it's it's more than
one way to skin a cat for real. So if
you can, like yo, learn about crypto stocks everything I'm listening,
I've been.

Speaker 1 (01:07:09):
I've been going.

Speaker 5 (01:07:10):
Crazy with day trade, right, make you say something about that?

Speaker 1 (01:07:13):
You feel me? So I've been going crazy with that.

Speaker 5 (01:07:15):
You don't talk about that side of yourself.

Speaker 4 (01:07:16):
Yeah, like I because I've been I've been learning how
they trade. I started August twenty twenty, and it's listen,
I've been so obsessed with just learning it, trying to
understand it and being as consistent as I can, and
even now, like because it's not one of those things
where you can just put some money in and you're
rich in twenty four hours. Don't don't. It doesn't work

(01:07:38):
like that. I wish it did, just like they're working out.

Speaker 5 (01:07:40):
Yeah, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:07:41):
I wish it did. But now it takes time.

Speaker 4 (01:07:43):
Like and like I said, I started wracking twenty twenty
and like like right now, I feel like I'm starting
to really make something from it, like because I don't
put hundreds, if not thousands into it and took ls
back to back. But I know that's you can't give
up on that, Like, if you really want to be profitable,

(01:08:03):
you can't give up, Like y'all just show up. So
if learn how to day trade and learn and learn
about stocks and all of that. So man's it's so
many ways, it's endless.

Speaker 5 (01:08:12):
As we transition into the AI economy and the AI
world where a lot of the conventional jobs are getting
sort of going away, learn how to build chat bots,
learn about lllms. If you're going to be computer oriented
and you just can't put your phone down, right, there's
still going to be opportunities for you there. Even vetting
some of the outputs that the AI spits out from

(01:08:32):
prompts and the credibility of it and the validity of it.
You want to be able to be that human capital
that can verify the data is accurate. Given what's going
on with ICE in this country. If you're more of
one of the alpha dog's alpha males and you want
to get to it, there's going to be lots of
opportunities in architecture and construction. Hone in on those skills.

(01:08:54):
Trades are going to make a comeback. Getting off the
internet is about to make a comeback. Make sure you
sh strengthen your posture towards that so you can take
advantage of it. Right, don't just sit around and waste time.
Like Cliff just said, different context. You want to make
sure you have the skill set that makes you marketable

(01:09:14):
for these opportunities. If you've got that entrepreneurial spirit, you
can get the skill set, get the mastery. Then you
can start the company and then go out and find
what's left of the vados or put your brothers in place.
So now y'all going out and y'all are getting some
of these construction contract opportunities in DC or local government

(01:09:35):
in Georgia. It's ways to get to the bag and
as it relates to crypto. Not a financial advisor. I'm
not screams cousin, I'm not couz. But there may be
an opportunity with XRP to jump in now while it's
still low like bitcoin was in twenty fourteen, in two
thousand and seven. Do your homework on that. I'm not
telling you to go buy anything, but again with what

(01:09:59):
President Trump and is it aministration is done with busting
things wide open for crypto not replacing the dollar, but
being a legitimate currency. You want to make sure you
invest in some crypto.

Speaker 4 (01:10:12):
Yeah, it's super accessible like hash out, you can buy
bitcoining on that. It's different crypto wallets correct. Yeah, so
like it's not as inaccessible as people. It's no longer
going to be cool to be dumb, no doubt. It's
no longer going to be cool to not know the
influlce right there, because it's too much information age infulce
right there.

Speaker 5 (01:10:31):
Literally.

Speaker 3 (01:10:33):
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Speaker 2 (01:10:35):
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