December 2, 2025 • 56 mins
In this episode of Big Facts, super-producer Zaytoven pulls up to break down his legendary run—from crafting classics with Gucci Mane and Future to shaping the sound of Atlanta. He also opens up about the rise of his son Zayskii, the next wave of the Zaytoven legacy, and more exclusive game from behind the keys.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Big Bank, DJ Scream and Baby J with the number
one podcast in the streets, Big Facts.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
A lot from Vose Studios and the at O. It's
time for that Big Facts, Big Bank, What Up?
Speaker 3 (00:11):
Baby J? What Up?
Speaker 4 (00:12):
DJ Scream? I'm here welcoming Family Today, super Producer, the
Legends on the couch, Finally on the couch, Finally, what's
something something.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Really supposed to be with y'all every time?
Speaker 5 (00:25):
Y'all doing the keys?
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Yeah, talk about that. Now you're looking real West Coast today?
Speaker 4 (00:37):
Man? Easy, easy see, Like, what's going on with this spider?
Speaker 3 (00:40):
Just look?
Speaker 2 (00:40):
You know what it is?
Speaker 5 (00:41):
Bro? I think it comes my hair a getting long
and the lot. I got to Jered Carroll, so I said,
you know what, let me throw the hat on.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Yeah, embrace it. I came in, I pulled my n
w A West Coast Okay.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Yeah, how you feeling.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
I'm feeling good, real good.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
You got a lot of the works.
Speaker 4 (00:59):
You know what I'm saying. You got a big show
December twentieth Tooven and friends. Let's just chat a little
bit about that before we get into it.
Speaker 5 (01:06):
Oh you know, these ain't nothing but just pieces, bro.
I'm adding things I'm doing just to add to the
Zaytoven name of Zaytoven brand. So I got a show.
It's called zay Tove and Friends with the Renaissance Orchestra.
And what made me kind of want to do it
is I played with Gucci at his orchestra show. You know,
I played the key and I'm like, well, bro hold on,
(01:26):
I got just mini songs as all the everybody else
is doing these show. Yeah yeah, so let me why
I can't do one and I play the keys at it?
So yeah, and just bring out all my you know,
my celebrity friends, Big Bank gonna be there.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
I can't wait for sure for show.
Speaker 4 (01:45):
So I'm gonna ask you an unfair question just to
start it out, to set the tone. Man, who's the
hardest artist? Say Toven, I ever worked with Gucci?
Speaker 2 (01:53):
That ain't hard? What you mean?
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Oh wow?
Speaker 2 (01:55):
Okay you just said damn Yeah, Like, why you gonna
that ain't nothing? That was a lot of hard artist.
Though I worked a lot of hard.
Speaker 5 (02:01):
Hard Topci is hard to make Gucci the hood. Well,
if you think about Zaytoven music or zay Toove and sound,
it comes from making music for Gucci.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Right. This is before I was anybody.
Speaker 5 (02:19):
And I used to remember, like when we're in the
studio and I make a beat, it don't matter to
beat trash or it ain't, it's undone. Gucci instantly gonna
go do a song to it that might turn into
but that's a song that just changed your life. That's
a song that's like created the sound that you have today.
So just I don't know. I just think the chemistry
men and Gucci. You know, God is just unmatched. So
(02:42):
he always gonna be my favorite. He was my favorite
back when people didn't like there, like.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
You think he that hard? Y'all like him? You like
him like that.
Speaker 5 (02:49):
I used to play music at the barbershop. Boy, they
like turn that out. Yeah, I'm like robust so hard,
So ain't nobody hard.
Speaker 4 (02:58):
You ever missed the basement, your Mama's basement.
Speaker 5 (03:00):
I miss it, bro We talk about that all the time.
I missed the basement so much because you know, that's
where everything started. All the artists that even artists not
even here today, you know that I were with that
passed away.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
It's like I.
Speaker 5 (03:16):
Remember them coming to the basement every day, all day,
every day.
Speaker 6 (03:19):
So your mama's basement was bigger than rap.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
Saying what for sure?
Speaker 5 (03:24):
And they ain't even playing it, bro, we just was
just just you know, making music.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
I'm not knowing what I'm not even knowing what I'm
doing down there.
Speaker 7 (03:30):
And it's so crazy because it's like, you know how
sometimes like when you go to a studio or you
go to a place where you're making music and you wondering,
like especially like when you're like a rap artist, you're wondering,
like are you gonna run into somebody that I don't
fuck with? And I gonna see this person? Am I
gonna see that person? Am I gonna see somebody? And
(03:51):
I don't feel like singing or whatever? But it was
like in your mom's basement. It was like a like
a cultivation in safe space. Like even if I did
see a nigga that I wanted to kill, like I
know this my basement. I can't do that here, Like
you know what I'm saying, Like we're finna figured this out,
We're finna be happy and made the music and then
(04:13):
when we get down.
Speaker 6 (04:13):
The street, we're gonna get it on.
Speaker 7 (04:16):
But this here, like this ain't that and I can't
do that today, Like people have that level of respect
for you to know like they're gonna respect you and
your space and wherever you are until after they get
away from there type shit.
Speaker 6 (04:31):
Yeah, and that's big, that's big.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
We never had no issues ever. Yeah, the basement.
Speaker 6 (04:37):
And think about how many niggas have been in your
mama's basement.
Speaker 5 (04:39):
Man, it used to be called wrapped around. I'm surprised
that people ain't called the police.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Yes, so many people.
Speaker 5 (04:50):
That ain't nothing but the Holy Spirit just covering the
whole place. Cause it's like, but it's so many street
guys just coming here, and I'm letting anybody come, I'm
talking about I don't even know.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Oh bro, he got fifteen for a beat, come on here?
You know all that. But you know, I think that's
what it really was.
Speaker 5 (05:12):
And and oncen't I will say Gucci being Gucci, that
he's like the main artist over there all the time.
People respect the Gucci in a certain type of way,
so they feel like, you know, bruh, Gucci is like,
ain't nobody finnna mess up what's going on over here too,
So you know, all that combined, I think it's why
it was so special.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
Yeah, what already shocked you from that from from your
era like that you were working with you, you know
what I'm saying, cause you work with everybody.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
But then he end up shocking, like man, this nigga Ashley.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Everybody did, but like Gucci shocked me.
Speaker 5 (05:43):
I thought going to the lever bro with Gucci man
and playing the music, that was like, that's the best
you get.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
I ain't know it get bigger than that.
Speaker 5 (05:53):
When I seen Gucci with Mariah Carey and I'm like,
but this dude that was at my house every day,
calling me every morning, you know what I mean. I
remember Nicki Minaj used to come over to my mom's basement.
I wouldn't have never imagined she'll be the Nicki Madag
she is today, you know.
Speaker 6 (06:09):
What I mean.
Speaker 5 (06:09):
So a lot of artists bro like she came from there.
I can't even there's so many people came out the basement.
That's like even you like you doing what you doing,
how big as you are now, It's like I ain't
see that.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
I didn't know that, you.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
Know, just coming in.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
I remember I remember got them putting on I just
had I think they were Gucci Gucci. They were like, nah,
Guccia on them. New Beat tore right up on them.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
She had me pull up on you.
Speaker 5 (06:40):
Bro, you had me pull up on you, and I
remember you buying some beats. You gave me a couple
of thousand that at once. She was the first person
in Atlanta to give me just some thousands just for
some beats. But past that, I remember you doing the song.
It was like shining like little time. I was like, bruh,
so hard. You gotta be honest. I always looked at
(07:02):
you like, bro, you are super star.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
Yeah music you I ain't want to do it.
Speaker 5 (07:07):
Still used to used to tell me about whoever else bro,
we I'm working with this. I'm like, bro, you the
start and you always made me. I appreciate that straight up.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
Always tell anybody that like Ola Zay ain't got damn
Gucci them nigga.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
But call you out the blue, like, bro, what is
you doing?
Speaker 2 (07:23):
You go?
Speaker 3 (07:24):
Yeah, too nervous about.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
What's about the rap game that you see now that
you be like damn, that would have never went on
back from when the basement days was going on.
Speaker 5 (07:37):
Uh, you know what you gotta do now, Like now
you gotta be all on social media. You gotta do
a lot of content.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
You gotta do.
Speaker 5 (07:45):
You gotta do that now to become relevant like back
in the day, want nobody.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
To do that that.
Speaker 5 (07:51):
It's like almost you gotta be a you lame doing
you know, trying to do all that and trying to
show too much of or you know, do too much waiting.
Now you ain't doing that, you laying for not doing so.
Speaker 7 (08:04):
And then like outside of the whole like music thing
or whatever, I want you to talk about your directorial
skills and what you have going on with film and
you know what I'm saying, all the projects that you've done,
what you got coming up and all that kind of
stuff because people don't understand like how dope you really
are behind the camera.
Speaker 5 (08:24):
Well, I'm gonna be honest with you. What's up game,
I'm gonna be honest with you. I do I do
one thing. I do one thing that's good and that's
make beats. That's like like I'm a technician at that.
Speaker 6 (08:41):
But no, no, no, and a director like.
Speaker 5 (08:44):
All Al Nukeas doing is the guy that for sure
that got me doing movies. He directed the movie, he
put the scripts together, he do all that. Mem I'm
just either willing vessel or you're.
Speaker 7 (08:56):
An expert tweaker because behind andy, Hey, let's do this
like this, or like you'll say, hey, come say this
like that, or y'all come together like this and then
that ship Like its all the difference in the world.
Speaker 5 (09:08):
Yeah, but you know, at the same time, all this
stuff is just things I enjoy doing or things I
feel like I have to do to continue to brand myself,
continue to market myself and make myself bigger than just
the guy that you know.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
To make beats. So you know, and I enjoy doing
all this stuff.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
So what you think it was that made you stay
like relevant all this time, like eating yourself and cause
your sound is still similar to then to now, but
it's still resonate with every every generation.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
It ain't similar, it's the same.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
It's you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
No, no, it ain't just me.
Speaker 5 (09:46):
It's like I be making you know, I make beats,
and I tweak from what I did back in the day,
but other people. The reason why my sound is still
relevant to this day is because younger people still mimic it. Yeah,
they still making I'm like, bro, they made the exact
same beat.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
That's that's my beat, right making that right you know,
right now?
Speaker 5 (10:05):
And so it's so relevant, which is a blessing for
me as well, because it makes.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Me relevant originator. I'm the originator.
Speaker 5 (10:13):
So it's like they know when you hear that music,
you don't think about no producer but all that they
told me.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
Yeah, so you know, it's like a trigger. That's what
it is. So it's it's a blessing. A lot of
times it can make you be like, dang, bro, why
would you do? Why are you taking my whole?
Speaker 3 (10:28):
When do the mimic in your beat turn into disrespect?
Speaker 5 (10:32):
I think a lot of guys I don't think they
mean disrespect.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
I feel like.
Speaker 5 (10:39):
They know the artists want this or you know, a
lot of times artists have come to me like Brank
a lot when I first even Migo said that when
when we first start rapping, we tell our producer just
made me.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
They tod and beat, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5 (10:52):
I've been on panels where I've been with other producers
where they be like Bro, I'd be so mad because
like even though Zay to sin right here, artists will
come to me and say, Bro just made me some
beats from Atoven Beats, and they're like, Bro, hold on,
I ain't gonna make this man beat I'm gonna produce, Well,
you ain't gonna get my money. That's what I want
make right up, straight up, so you know, and so
(11:16):
I don't a lot of times I don't think it
be disrespect. I just feel like that's what they want
to make. I'm make some Jatoven sound and beats and
it ended up being something special or something big, and
I definitely don't have no problem, especially when it comes
back around like Okay, they told we got to give
you a piece of this because it's really your music.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
What about when the artist just he's Atoven now, like
you know, how something produces.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
Just they don't make my own beats. I just only make.
Speaker 5 (11:45):
Listen, that's cool. That's cool until something blow up. Then
I got to they gotta come in and pull your coach.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Listen, we gotta.
Speaker 6 (11:58):
It's the Commons. Coolest nigga I've ever met in my life,
I swear.
Speaker 7 (12:03):
And then this is this is another question I wanted
to ask you to being that you have such a.
Speaker 6 (12:08):
Singularly unique and individual sound.
Speaker 7 (12:13):
Have you ever you know how some like producers collaborate
and you know, come together and like make beats together.
Speaker 6 (12:19):
Have you ever done that? Or is that something that
you will ever think about.
Speaker 5 (12:22):
Doing only have done that with producers that's you know,
already kind of major.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Like I've done beats with like Metro.
Speaker 5 (12:30):
I've done beats with Mike will and London and a
lot of other producers. Man, you know, I can't even
sit in name I didn't you know, did something beats
with almost all the producers, And believe it or not,
those guys are some of the guys that keep me
relevant as well. Because Metro might be working on this
(12:50):
big album, I'm gonna bring Zaytoe in in because we won't.
I want that type of sound to feel on you know,
I don't think they have to bring me in. But
a lot of times I remember then call me, man,
this just feel like your music. I want to I
want you to come in and finish doing this beat.
I would have never been on that album if he
didn't call me or whatever. So so I'm with collabing,
(13:11):
you know, I'm with collabing all the time, especially with
guys like that because and I always show tell them
I appreciate that because you know how it is the
new the new producers. They feel like bri I ain't
got to you ate enough. You've done enough already. It's
my turn. Yeah, but you know they always bring me
in so you know, I always appreciate that as well.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
How didn't feel to see like cash Is excel and
he came out the basement too.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Like just like a rapper.
Speaker 5 (13:36):
It's almost like anybody I'm working with, like like say,
with cash Is, I'm promoting them as man, it's the
best producer in the world, you know, and he was
and he is good. But I'm saying, you know, that's
how promoted. That's how to promote any artists I'm working with.
And so to see somebody like him and he did
(13:56):
a song with Cardi B or he did you know
this and that, and they just let me know that
you know, my ears working, you know what I mean,
all the artists that I've seen blow up. The only
reason I've been around for so long is because everybody
I worked with they with nobody when I was working with,
but then they become but they stars now. So people
(14:17):
don't call me to be on some big album. You know,
industry don't call me. They were working on you know,
jay Z album, We needed that. That don't happen to
me anytime you hear zay Town music. It's some new,
brand new artists you ain't never heard before, but they
got a zay toe and beat.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
You know that.
Speaker 7 (14:35):
Reminds you of another artist that was from the basement
that's big now.
Speaker 5 (14:41):
Basically pretty much, it's like it's always been that. It's
always been that new artist, new producers a lot of time.
Always is what keeps me.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
Relevant that they preached that how many times they beat recycle.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Man, I still do it to this day. Everybody said
I want that beat.
Speaker 5 (14:58):
People don't understand, like when you got that's something, when
you got a certain sound and you got something that works,
people still want to come.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
I want that again.
Speaker 5 (15:06):
Now why join tennis shoes says so much like bro,
I won't. I'm familiar with them. I want them true classic,
just classic, like it don't go nowhere. So so all
the beats, that's like the song that came out this
year to win wim Me song with Pluto, these young
guys you know, reproducing my beat. But it's the you know,
that's a zatoe beat that's been made fifteen years ago
(15:29):
where it become the hottest song of the year. It's like,
you know, that's that's the classic of the you know,
of the music. And I don't feel like I have
to try to change it.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
How that worked when when somebody usually being able to
come hit do y'all what y'all percentages?
Speaker 5 (15:44):
Yeah, just percentages and everything. Yeah, And I'm always you know,
more than fair, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
So you're welcome and people to go.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
Away, come on.
Speaker 5 (15:52):
If they didn't do that, I wouldn't be around it,
you know, like I am today.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
So it'd be a blessing and all that.
Speaker 5 (15:59):
It be a blessed sending somebody getting my beats that
I ain't never met before.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
They do a song to a whole that song blew up.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
So you do you feel like you when back in
the days, you'll put out the beats. Whoever make a hit,
that's who beat it is.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
Come on, you know you come on, you with there
what you're doing?
Speaker 4 (16:17):
Two or three people got that same beat though I
kind of seen it having.
Speaker 5 (16:20):
All the time, having all the time, But a lot
of times somebody made a mediocre song to it, or
that song was really all that the first niggad to
the finish line, but the other person they got the
hottest song in the world.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
Right now? Who beat it? How you gonna argument about this?
Man got the number one song? Right now? You're gonna
argue me about man? I had that beat. I gave
you the beat.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
Have you ever got there?
Speaker 1 (16:43):
Okay, if you had two people with the same beat
that was going up, have you ever changed a little sound?
Speaker 2 (16:47):
And listen I did that before.
Speaker 5 (16:49):
If they that's what they want, Like, I still want
this beat, you know, so I just changed some add
something else to it. They probably still ain't got no hit,
but you know I.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
Do that for him. That's what they want to do.
Straight up.
Speaker 4 (17:03):
You talk a lot about you know what I'm saying,
like people that you inspired? But who were you inspired by?
Coming up?
Speaker 2 (17:09):
As they told few people I was as far as
like music, yeahcers mainly producers.
Speaker 5 (17:17):
I would say DJ Quick definitely. I don't know MCA producers.
I know he kept shotting out either DJ Slip or
Hawking Bird. I don't even know who his producer was,
but I just remember listening to his music so much
that it's like, bro, whoever making them beasts?
Speaker 2 (17:36):
They crazy?
Speaker 5 (17:37):
And I listened to my music today and I think
about how I play the like Jazzy Pianos on the beats.
How I use certain flutes and violins, that's what they
used back then. I wasn't making beats trying to emulate
what they was doing. But subconstantly I think I was
just making beats and like ooh, this flute sound good,
or this this piano run feel good. And it was
(17:58):
off of listening to that music back in the day.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
Did you ever doubt your skills?
Speaker 2 (18:04):
I ain't.
Speaker 5 (18:05):
Never thought i'd be who I am today. I never
thought I was really that good. I used to matter
of fact, I used to go to the studio, you know,
where people playing beats and all that, and I hear
other people being like, Brian.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
Ain't gonna play my beat behind not behind that are.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
Lower than that.
Speaker 5 (18:24):
It wasn't that it made me. I always felt like
I wasn't good enough, Like I ain't as good. Like
I'm a church musician. I'm always going to churches where
the musician, the other musician, he way better than I am.
So I got to start trying to find like how
can I how can I stand out? How can I,
you know, be seen or heard? So I just had
(18:45):
to use different styles. I remember when I used to
play beats in the studio, and I felt like I
wasn't good enough. I go spend all my money on
the chain and third coach and come back and play
my beat.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Hard than that.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
Yeah, hard now, straight up.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
That's how it was. I always felt like that.
Speaker 5 (19:08):
It's like I got an overcomeversate, so on the way,
So maybe they'll listen to a different Yeah, you know,
you come in fresh and fly to he he he
hardened everybody.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
I want his beat coming with a coat. That's it,
you know what I mean?
Speaker 5 (19:24):
So, and I hate to say it, but that's in
the in the you know, industry that we're in.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
That stuff means something.
Speaker 5 (19:29):
If I see you and you look like you successful
and you look like I'm listening with a different here
that with the hard beat.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
His shoes curled up, his shirt like he's been wrestling.
So it's like that, ain't that hard?
Speaker 3 (19:43):
Now He'll got dropped. You pull it up in the baby.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
Whatever before you even turn it off, wrapping on that.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 7 (20:01):
So I want to ask you this, like talking about
like speaking about your confidence and you know, being grounded
in your.
Speaker 6 (20:07):
Foundation and stuff like that.
Speaker 7 (20:09):
How big of a part does having a supportive partner
play into that I just want to know.
Speaker 6 (20:17):
I'm you.
Speaker 5 (20:19):
Know, oh yeah, we bro Listen, that's the driving force now,
like the family has always been like the driving force
at first.
Speaker 6 (20:28):
And I know you're big on like the whole family
for sure.
Speaker 7 (20:31):
How does that How does that help boost you up
but also keep you down and grounded at the same time.
Speaker 5 (20:37):
Well, one thing about having a wife, uh, and a
woman that's like a partner, that's a supportive partner.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
They gonna push you to your destiny.
Speaker 5 (20:47):
Even when you feel like, bro, I don't think I
want to do that, or you feel like you ain't
good enough, or you know whatever, they gonna make sure
you feel like no, you come on, you the best
thing out there. You the goat, you the greatest. They
gonna break to somebody else about how good you are.
So it's like now it's like, man, I gotta do it.
You know, my kids the same way my kids helped
(21:09):
keep me relevant. My son been telling me who I
need to work with for the last ten years.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
They need to work with that artist.
Speaker 6 (21:16):
That's all right.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
I'm like, who, I ain't never heard of him? Who
is that? You know?
Speaker 3 (21:19):
So?
Speaker 5 (21:20):
And once I do finally work with the artists, say
like a Little Uzzi at the time. I remember him
telling me about Little Uzzi and the songs you know,
start blowing up.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
It's like, I'm bom show. Glad I worked with him.
It made me relevant all over again.
Speaker 7 (21:34):
Yeah yeah, yeah, So it's really like you have an
internal machine.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
Man for sure.
Speaker 6 (21:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (21:39):
How you see, I'm on TikTok all the time. My
daughter of them got to set that up. She got
to sit up and tell me what dance we gotta do?
What's trending?
Speaker 3 (21:47):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (21:47):
Yeah, but my kids is like, well, you ain't cool
me talking about Yeah, you know I was working with
me Gucci to them like that, Oh that was a
hundred years ago.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
Yeah, that's forever though.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
It's like, bro, you ain't.
Speaker 5 (22:02):
If you're not working with the people we listening to,
then you're not popping and as a daddy, and you
know you want.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
To be cool to your kids. Crust you, man. I
got to hold on, bro, I ain't talking about nothing.
I gotta step it up.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
So who who you feel like you didn't get a
chance to work with that? You like, I just want
to hear him on to beat.
Speaker 4 (22:24):
Mm.
Speaker 5 (22:24):
I don't think it's nobody bro to be honest with you.
I think everybody I work with, it's been who I
kind of wanted to work with.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
To be honest with you.
Speaker 7 (22:33):
You know who I think would kill one of your
beats in real life, Billy Eilishhm.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
That would be hard.
Speaker 5 (22:40):
You know me, b I'm gonna be honest with you.
I don't listen to nobody. I don't know nothing about
everybody else until I work. Well, yeah, and it might
be like like, I don't know. I ain't saying I'm hating,
but it's like, bro, I do want to hear that
junk until.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
I work, until I work with NASA. But that's the hardest.
Hey man.
Speaker 5 (23:01):
It don't matter how on how big he is, how
much you're telling me, how much, how good he is.
Hey man, I don't hear that now. When I worked
with him, you got to hear it.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
He the truth.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
How I feel like working with USh he's double back
to that.
Speaker 5 (23:17):
But you got to think back in high school, the
girls used to be like, oh, you look like Usher.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
You know that was my draw card back.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
In the day, you know what I mean?
Speaker 5 (23:26):
So to work with Usher, you got I think the
first time I worked with him, it was for papers,
and the song with Number one, But I never met him,
I never really talked to him. So for us to
get in the studio and do a whole project together,
it was an instant bro Soon we got in the studio,
we were kicking it like brother, you know, and we
enjoyed just working with each other.
Speaker 6 (23:45):
So that's like, I'm sorry not to cut you off.
Speaker 7 (23:48):
So, like, speaking of that, what's the difference in the
process between like working with somebody possibly virtually or just
doing the song and sending it and then they do
it as opposed to actually having that in studio chemistry.
Speaker 6 (24:01):
Do you think that that.
Speaker 7 (24:03):
Makes the song better or like, how do you think
that affects the outcome of the project?
Speaker 2 (24:08):
I think it has a big effect.
Speaker 5 (24:11):
And you know, once you in the room as a producer,
when you in the room with the artists, you have
more influence.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
You can tell them what you know.
Speaker 5 (24:18):
A lot of time artists looking for you to tell them, well,
what beat?
Speaker 2 (24:22):
What beat you think I need to rap on? Which
way I need to go?
Speaker 5 (24:25):
So I think that, uh, that brings a big difference,
and to some artists it can be intimidating, Like, man,
I don't even want him to be around some people
may make me feel like, Bro, you you too much
of the gold.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
I don't even want to rap while you right here.
Speaker 5 (24:41):
I'd be like, for real, you feel like that I'm
talking about big artists have been like that, and you're
just like brother, hold on, bro, I'm in here with it.
I'm nervous because they are here, Like, Bro, you super big?
How you nervous because I'm here. I've been doing But
I think it still makes you know, makes for the
better song, a better project.
Speaker 6 (24:58):
Yeahah, I think so.
Speaker 5 (24:59):
So that cook up, Yeah, the cook up, just the
presence of just being around each other. I think you
know it makes you want to go hard and makes
you want to impress the person.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
So what's the fastest you did the whole beat? Record time?
Speaker 5 (25:11):
Man, I don't be counting that with you that but
I don't be counting a lot of that stuff is
off impulse, and you know it's just being spontaneous. Like
if you're in the room and I'm making a beat
for you and I know you're excited to rap, I'm
just putting some sounds together.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
I don't know what I'm doing.
Speaker 5 (25:32):
I don't know what it's finna sound like I'm just
putting some sound together and I know you ready to
go wrap. So if it took two minutes, it's because
the artist was they pinned with.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
It, man, like you ain't done yet.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
Yeah, yeah, like I ain't started you put the.
Speaker 5 (25:48):
I won't never get a chance to do that. I
don't never come back. And you know I always felt like,
well I just come back and mess with it later.
But after you hear the song, it's like they don't
need nothing.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
It suck like tw twenty second, like she's done it,
done it done, it's the it's Gucci really, that's what
he the one got me on that because he used
to come over.
Speaker 5 (26:10):
He wanted to make ten songs in a day, so
you ain't got time to try to make the song
to beat extra pretty.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
Or extra life.
Speaker 5 (26:17):
He like say this hard listen, I'm ready you like,
I ain't even putting nonhing, I ain't putting no ongan
or nothing in that yet.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
Man, that's a hard already loder, I'm ready.
Speaker 5 (26:26):
And once you once he recorded to it and you
listen back to it's like, well, I'm glad I didn't
add nothing else because it probably wouldn't miss the song.
Speaker 4 (26:32):
Up you feel like something some of them artists don't
like their voice is an instrument to as a lot
to it.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
So all the extra stuff. Yep, what what did you read?
Did you read guccia new book?
Speaker 2 (26:44):
I ain't read it yet.
Speaker 5 (26:45):
I remember talking about they you know, his people called
me to talk about, you know, back when he he
was like on I think he was doing lean or whatever.
You know, just talk about my experience with him back then.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
Okay, yeah, but you gave you gave him.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Yeah, y'all gave the story. Yeap.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
What's some crazy ship that we might not know? Like that?
Speaker 1 (27:04):
You you almost turned You ain't never almost turn him around?
He said he never turned around?
Speaker 2 (27:08):
Yeah he's I ain't never turned around.
Speaker 3 (27:10):
Yeah yeah, he said, he all picked up the phone
no matter what till I'm going through it tripping. Yeah,
you ain't almost turned around there and tell.
Speaker 5 (27:18):
You just bro, like like that was Gucci ever since
I met him, you know what I mean. So it's
like I always thought that was a superpower of Gucci.
I always felt like bro, him being throwed off of
acting crazy like that's Gucci right there, you know, And
it's so crazy because I'm so opposite of that, especially
at the time. You know, I'm so opposite of how
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Gucci was, but I don't know, like the Yin and
the yang, it was.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
Like yeah, but I still want him around.
Speaker 5 (27:45):
I'm still gonna go you know, I'm still gonna be
with him even when he acting crazy.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
But he never had crazy flashed out on you.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
I ain't flashed out. No, I ain't never flashed out
on me at all.
Speaker 6 (27:54):
But I think that's what it was.
Speaker 7 (27:56):
Just like overall is you as a person, like your
spirit and your.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
Energy brings comfort.
Speaker 7 (28:01):
Like brings comfort, and it's like a candle. You're like
a like a human candle.
Speaker 6 (28:06):
Like you make.
Speaker 7 (28:07):
People, Yeah, you make people calm down. And it's like
you have the power to like quell any situation and
just kind of you know, even it out and like
smooth it out. And that's like that's another like blessing, like.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
For real, Like nah, it all goes down to like energy,
Like yeah, basically it's like you around them on that's
always this way, You're gonna be that way. But you
come around a calm niggas like Zay, you know you
when you walk through the door, you come like this
is a calm situation. I already know brother for me
down here chilling for real chilling, might see babies or something,
but he chilling.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
So it's like you expecting to be calm when you're.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
Going over there.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
You know how you're going other places. You never know
what it's gonna be. So it's just like you up.
But soon as you got there getting.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
Out the call over that, you know, like you're gonna
feel out a place.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
Yeah he's that.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
Why am I? Why am I on ten flat? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (29:01):
In fact, so you don't cut hell no more period what.
Speaker 5 (29:05):
I do could have, but I got a barber shop
in the house, so I still got to cut. You know,
my son here when he needs you know, he got
long hair now, but when he needed timp fade or
lined up my dad, my uncle, brothers, nephews or even
my son start telling his friend, come over, my daddy
cut your over hair. But it be like, you know,
you get about five six on the line, like bro
(29:26):
Ian's gonna keep doing this straight up.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
But I enjoyed. I still enjoyed, you know, still enjoy
cultn't hair.
Speaker 5 (29:34):
It's like when I cut Pop's hair or my uncle here,
it's a good conversation. You know, that's what I used
to love about being in the barbershop.
Speaker 3 (29:41):
You don't think you'll never lose that?
Speaker 5 (29:43):
No, no, no, no, I still love doing that. I couldn't.
It took so long for me to even leave the barbershop.
You end up buying that barbershop. Bro, I was in
the barbershop when besides she was still I was still
at the barbershop. Yeah, and they like, ro a, is
you still doing? I ain't want to leave. Just you know,
the atmosphere is.
Speaker 4 (30:01):
Just realistically saying, realistically, will we get another project with you?
Speaker 3 (30:09):
Think?
Speaker 2 (30:10):
I would love to call him and find out, because
I show would love to do it. Okay, you know
this stuff go, Bro, I'm just I'm the guy that's there.
Speaker 5 (30:18):
Whenever somebody called me and they need me or they
want to do it, I'm always ready to do it.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
You know.
Speaker 5 (30:24):
But if they don't call and they don't want to
do it, then that's cool too. Yeah, but I would
love to do it. I want to do another project
with everybody, undone project.
Speaker 6 (30:32):
So does that mean another Birds of a Feather.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
Or another all that?
Speaker 5 (30:36):
Like, that's one thing I like to do. I enjoy
doing that stuff, so I want to continue to do it.
But you know, sometimes some people might move past that,
like okay, I'm that area is over.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
Past.
Speaker 6 (30:51):
I'm waiting.
Speaker 4 (30:52):
I can't explain why, you know what I'm saying, I
want to say passes like like behind you know what
I'm saying, I would says, I just think that. I
guess some people just want to create with more people.
There's a bunch of people to create with. You Sure,
but it ain't nothing like Gucci and say hudos. Say
Juice Man and say it ain't nothing.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Like That's how I feel. But you know, it's sometime.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
Everybody's been up to human records.
Speaker 5 (31:17):
With Juice with Juice all the time. Juice Juice look
like he's sixteen. Bro, he do Yeah, you're always gonna
be my Juice is one of the guys for sure.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
I could call it any given time, you know, to
do whatever shut out to Juice man.
Speaker 7 (31:32):
But he's one of those people too, Like if you
hear him on anything other than it sounds.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
Funny, like it just goes go together, like what's going on?
Speaker 1 (31:42):
Yeah, you're noways having the well got you a beat? CD,
that's your meat.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
It's your whole taste.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
You ain't trying to look for no more beat even
record every every song on the.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
BIB with CD.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
There we go. I was doing too well. You ain't
finna skip.
Speaker 6 (31:57):
Of all the.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
All the fun.
Speaker 4 (32:01):
Sure you got any regrets along your path, like just
musically personally anything like Man, this one particular time, I
was tripping because a lot of people probably look at
you and be honest like Zatoven's perfect that type of ship,
but regrets.
Speaker 5 (32:15):
So Bro, it almost feel like everything been moving perfectly,
even with all the you know, you know, things that
that happened along the way or people that's not around,
but it's still it just feels like just God that
made it just easy for me. You know, no real hardships,
no real you know, I don't want to do this
(32:37):
no more. I ain't never felt nothing that so bless everything.
It's great still to be honest with you, Bro, I
still feel like my best days are hitding meat that
straight up. I feel like I ain't even really touch
the service yet. Yeah, so and that keeps me excited,
That keeps me motivated. That's why I keep you see
me making beats on Instagram every day, prettymum, just because
(33:01):
I'm still excited.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
I'm still you know, dope, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (33:05):
Gonna need that is what would you said?
Speaker 2 (33:07):
December twenty December twenty at the Tabernac.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
Gucci coming back to doing at the top of.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
Your doing, I think New York's Eve.
Speaker 3 (33:15):
So you're gonna You're gonna you're gonna go that one
to got.
Speaker 4 (33:17):
To what was the phone conversation? Like, I mean they
all good, Now, what was the phone conversation? Like knowing
that you were so locked in with Gucci when you
did get the phone conversation from GIZI, Like what was
that situation?
Speaker 2 (33:35):
Like? It wasn't nothing.
Speaker 5 (33:40):
I just remember talking to Gizi and she was like
I need you, like I gotta get something in with you.
And I'm just like all right, cool mm hmm. And
rather than sending him some beats, I went and pulled
up on him. I forgot what he was doing. I
pulled up on him. He was getting a haircut of summer.
I don't know if you're finished a photo shoot or something,
and we're just talking about it, like, yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Let's do it. We do something, put something together, And
that's what it was.
Speaker 5 (34:04):
We did trapad too, and I remember Gucci calling me
and Gucci was like, man, everybody think I'm supposed to
be mad at you because you did a song with Gesz.
He was like, I think that's the hardest song g
did in a long time. Yeah, and that's just how
it was.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
Like send me.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
He ended up putting his He ended up putting a
verse on that song, like yeah, I remember.
Speaker 5 (34:27):
Yeah, like with me and Gucci is that there's no
issues like that. You know what I mean, and Gucci
know how I am and I know how you know
how Gucci is. So I didn't feel no certain type
of way, and I knew he wasn't gonna feel no
certain time.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
That's hard, dope. Yeah, So you had projects with where
you worked with I feel like take Trouble, uh dolls,
who else bank? All these folks come out come well
them been to the basement. How I feel like.
Speaker 3 (34:58):
Just to see that happen, like school school, damn smoke.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
They said, that's crazy.
Speaker 5 (35:10):
They don't even seem real, to be honest with you,
feel like if I call one on right now, it's
like they're gonna pick up. I'm down here, I'm doing
this and that, so it don't even feel real. I
was just at a funeral, my real close cousins. Just
this past Saturday, I had two close cousins pass away.
With the last six months I'm talking about, I wouldn't
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have never thought of the million years they wouldn't be
here or they'll pass away that fast. But I don't know, man,
just all this stuff don't seem like it's even real.
Feel like I can still call.
Speaker 3 (35:41):
How you how you cope with that?
Speaker 2 (35:42):
Like the music helped you? Like making the music does
it help? Man? The music? I just music?
Speaker 5 (35:48):
Is I still feel like I do that like a
hobby bro To be honest with you, Uh, it's you know,
it's I think it's the relationship with God, me really
being in church on the real consistent basis.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
I'm constantly hearing the word. I'm constantly hearing a preacher
you know, speak these things you know, over your life.
Or I've been a musician for as long as I
can remember. You know how many funerals I didn't played
at or been to.
Speaker 5 (36:16):
So you know, it doesn't really you know, it doesn't
just sadden me or or disheartened me like that, you know,
But I just be thankful for the time I had
with these people. A lot of these people help shape
and mold who I am or my sound or whatever.
So I'll just be thankful for the you know times
I had with these people.
Speaker 3 (36:34):
What type of music you listening to in your cup?
Speaker 5 (36:37):
Why? I be listening to gospel music all day, every day,
straight up always.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
That's that's that's just that's just my thing. Bro. I
listened to.
Speaker 5 (36:46):
Like maveryge city music, elevation worship. Yeah, I'm like even
old school quartet music. I'm on like gospel music. I'm
really on that.
Speaker 2 (36:57):
Wow. So how do you that's wow, it's been like that.
Speaker 4 (37:00):
But let's say hot, So how.
Speaker 5 (37:03):
Do you treat the trap mode to cook up?
Speaker 2 (37:10):
Man?
Speaker 5 (37:11):
All this stuff really go hand in hand to me, Like,
if you listen to my music, right, even though the
beasts is thumping and it's hopping and it's trapped out,
you still feel so the soul behind and the you
know so, and that comes from the music I listen
to it. You know, I still play music at the
church twice a week, three times a week sometimes, so
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I think, to me, it just almost go hand in hand.
I'm just putting hard drum beats behind it and people
rapping what they wrap on it.
Speaker 1 (37:43):
Yeah, because because when you're in church, you definitely can
feel the music. That's why I always tell niggas, I like, man,
they really got hip hop bro shouting.
Speaker 3 (37:52):
You know what, Like they don't even know it. They
at church and they don't.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
Even know it. I know that, Bro. I feel like
that truth, it's the truth. I know.
Speaker 5 (38:01):
I can go in the studio, especially with somebody like Future,
I know I can go in the studio and play
some beats for him where it's gonna hit him funny,
where it's like, bro, I don't know what what I
don't know what this is. I've been listening to beats
all that and rapping making songs, but this right here
just hit me in the heart and it's street music.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
But it's like, brother, john't hit me.
Speaker 5 (38:20):
Funny, you know, because I know a lot of time
when I make the music, I can listen to it, like, bro,
that thing got the knowing, But that don't feel different
red light, But I play.
Speaker 3 (38:32):
That mother five hundred time.
Speaker 2 (38:33):
But it is a church, and I feel that's That's
what I feel like.
Speaker 5 (38:37):
And I feel like that's what made me so potent
in the hip hop game is you know, I don't
never feel like I'm better than anybody else, or you know,
I'm way harder than nobody else. I feel like I
have something that's unique though, and you know, and when
the right person rap on it, sing on it, whatever
it is, it's special. And people can feel like that
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feel different, like you know what I mean? All that
he got other songs that jamming and bumping and this
and that, but but that joint right there feel different.
Speaker 4 (39:09):
Right man, If you have five flowers and you had
to give five people flowers for inspiring to helping you
along your journey or a career, who would those five
people be?
Speaker 2 (39:20):
The top five people? It'd be people y'all never heard.
Y'all don't even know who they are.
Speaker 3 (39:24):
Okay.
Speaker 5 (39:25):
One of the guys that was just at my house Sunday,
he's a musician by the name of Vernon Moore. He's
a youth pastor at you know, at his church. But
these are guys. It'll be Vernon Moore, It'll be Hugh Davis,
it'll be Sheldon Harrington, it'll be j T the bigger figure.
(39:45):
J T the bigger figure for sure.
Speaker 2 (39:47):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (39:50):
You know what, And I had to say, I had
to say, my little brother Amos because he was the
first guy that I seen that I worked with that
I've seen. It's like, you know, he used to rap
at church, but he used to wrap at new Birth,
and this is when new Birth was packed out. I'm
talking about thirty thousand people that this man go up
here and rap these songs that I made the bat
(40:11):
fo no background vocals or none of that I'm talking about.
He's saying a lot of words and rapping a whole story.
But I was just remember just sitting back in the
back of the church, like, but this dude is amazing,
Like this is a real start. But that's my first
time hearing my music being played, you know, in a
sanctuary or somewhere that big that everybody's jamming to it.
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So that had a real big influence on me, you know,
just seeing that.
Speaker 2 (40:37):
That's before Gucci.
Speaker 5 (40:38):
So those people, the people I named, they took personal
time with me, whether at church, Let me show you
how you play this chord, Let me try to play
this song. I take you back home and practice it
all night. But you know they'll put me on the
organ when I don't know everything yet. But you're finna learn,
you know what I mean. We're gonna put you in
front of everybody to you know this, how you're gonna
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get good. And those people took personal time with me
and helped shape and mold me not just my musical talent,
but character as well.
Speaker 2 (41:12):
They said, anything else.
Speaker 1 (41:17):
What you think your strongest point is the keys of
the drum.
Speaker 5 (41:25):
I think it's both. I think it's put together because
my drums ain't the best and my keys, and people
think I'm just super amazing at the keys, but I'm
just okay. But I think when you put them together,
that's what makes it special.
Speaker 2 (41:39):
I think.
Speaker 7 (41:40):
So you ever thought about doing a whole total gospel project.
Speaker 2 (41:45):
I did.
Speaker 5 (41:46):
I did a gospel rap project with Lucre. Matter of fact,
we got to do Yeah.
Speaker 6 (41:52):
He talked about that the last time he was up here.
Speaker 3 (41:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (41:54):
I did a whole project with lu Craate. Then I
did one with this young artist name one k Few.
Speaker 3 (42:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (42:01):
Yeah, so man, I would love to be more than
the gospel. I just did some of the gospel artist
Tasha Cobb's album that just came out. Matter of fact,
she nominated for a Grammy this year, oh next year
for that. But you know that stuff is amazing to me.
I did songs with Bro. My favorite gospel artist was
d Tree. Hadn't I did a song with him, Bro,
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Like the song is called Real Faith. I had young
La feature on the song. Now, this is like a
hero to me in gospel music. Like just to meet him,
Bro was like, Bro, do you know how much a
fan I am? But to be working with him? He
actually came in and worked with me on the Usher album.
It's just like, this stuff be amazing to me.
Speaker 2 (42:42):
So I love to do gospel stuff. You want to
dominated Gray with Usher? Yeah? For the Raymond versus Raymond?
Speaker 3 (42:51):
Gotcha.
Speaker 1 (42:53):
I'm gonna tell you the most dopis shit about you
say you don't never give up on a nigga, Like,
no matter what they going through, You ain't give up
on Gucci, Old Jay, Younger La, no matter whether nigga
going through a How the world looking at.
Speaker 3 (43:08):
You standing right beside a nigga like, Bro, you hard
for sure?
Speaker 2 (43:11):
Really my favorite?
Speaker 3 (43:12):
Yeah? You know what I'm saying. That's the really ship ever, Bro,
because you.
Speaker 1 (43:15):
Don't know like that little ship like that keep a
nigga going in life. Brou niggas be like ship, Bro.
I heard too many niggas like nigga count me out
of everybody counting.
Speaker 2 (43:27):
Out these myo bro's. It's past music with these people.
Speaker 5 (43:32):
Yeah, with you know, like La and Ralph and all
these guys broded to me. I feel like I wouldn't
beay talking without them. They helped shape and mold my
sound to what it is today. And believe it or not, Bro,
when I hear these artists come and record with me,
a come rap on the song, I still be like, man,
(43:54):
it's just so hard bro. Like l A just did
a song the other day at the house, gave me chills.
I'm like, what, I don't know what he own? So
I'm still a fan at the same time, So these people,
I ain't gonna Man, it don't matter how the.
Speaker 2 (44:08):
World look at it or whatever. I'm still They're still
gonna be my favorite arts to work with.
Speaker 3 (44:12):
Sh cool facts. So are you really related to Sweetie?
Speaker 2 (44:17):
Uh? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (44:19):
No?
Speaker 5 (44:19):
You know how you Yeah?
Speaker 2 (44:21):
No.
Speaker 5 (44:21):
It's like so the church family I stayed with when
I was in California when my parents moved to Atlanta,
I stayed in California because I was so close with
the church family that I was playing the organ for.
So they became like you know they brothers and sisters
of me. Now we almost you know, the same family,
(44:43):
so sweetiest part of that family.
Speaker 2 (44:45):
So that's kind of really what it is. Okay, got you.
Speaker 5 (44:49):
The Harper's out there in California. Another that's another. These
are other people that just had great impact, you know,
on me, on my life. I was moving all my life.
I mean different people.
Speaker 3 (45:01):
You know how you think your life would have interviewed
to stayed in California.
Speaker 2 (45:04):
No, I could.
Speaker 5 (45:06):
I couldn't have stayed. I couldn't stayed in California past
the time I did. I couldn't afford to be out there. Yeah,
I wanted to stay though. I was trying to stay.
But then when I started getting the studio equipment, I
ain't have no money to really stay nowhere. So I'm
staying at the pastor's house, you know. I mean he
got six kids there. You know, we just putting it together.
(45:27):
I was like, hold on, my mom and dad got
a basement in Atlanta. I'ma ship all my equipment down there.
Speaker 1 (45:33):
When you first got to Atlanta, what was your first
thought about just the city in general.
Speaker 2 (45:39):
Ro I was just happy to be somewhere new.
Speaker 5 (45:42):
You got to thank my dad was in military, so
I was moving my whole life every three years.
Speaker 2 (45:46):
I'm moving.
Speaker 5 (45:47):
Yeah, So I love where I'm at, wherever I'm staying,
I love it. I donet made friends, you know, I
got bonds with people there. But at the same time,
we're finna move. I'm excited. I'm finna go meet new people.
I'm finna be in the new environment. That's kind of
how it was, you know, coming to Atlanta's like, Oh,
it's going to be something new. Oh my folks, new
got a basement. I can put my studio equipment down there.
(46:09):
I was just excited about just coming somewhere new.
Speaker 4 (46:13):
So what's the biggest thing you still want to accomplish? Say,
we understand the movies, we understand the music, we understand
where you're at with that, But it's gotta be something
on your spirit or your brain that you still feel
like you got to accomplish outside of what you already
kind of doing and getting your son up. I know,
I know that's covied, but just some personal to you
that you got to see happen, got to see happen, yeah,
(46:34):
or make happen.
Speaker 2 (46:35):
I'm gonna be.
Speaker 5 (46:36):
Straight up honest with just seemed like everything I can
never imagine that happened for me already. Like straight up, bro,
I ain't playing on none of what I got doing on.
I made a post other doubts like broll God don't
do nothing else, he'd have done enough because I didn't
see my life being what it is right now, you
know what I mean. So everything from you know, having
(47:00):
a family, being married to having kids to my kids
being you know, extra special, them doing what they doing now, Bro,
I don't know what else you can even think of.
Speaker 4 (47:10):
You think you keep getting them blessings pouring in so
much because you aren't so grateful.
Speaker 2 (47:13):
You think that's the key.
Speaker 5 (47:14):
I believe so, and I make sure like even though
I'm a music producer, I'm still a church musician and
I always put that first. Like you know, if people
don't know in the church I play, it's not no
real big church or nothing like that. It's just my
commitment to that. My whole life has been. You know,
I'm committed to committed to that first. So I just
(47:37):
feel like y'ad just blessed me with everything, just like
I'm finna do this for you. I'm finn that's like
next year, bro, I don't know how my I don't
know what my career gonna be next year. I don't
know what's gonna happen next year. I just know something
great coming, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (47:50):
The end of the church people ever turned aside eye,
no bro.
Speaker 5 (47:54):
At first, I was scared even tell church people I
was producing music until the past. Shout out to the
pastor because I'm still playing the church. Kendrick Meredith. Man,
he stood up one Sunday, I'm talking about this man
got the Gucci Man Hard to Kill album in his hand,
talking about we want to give a.
Speaker 2 (48:11):
Big shout out to our musician.
Speaker 5 (48:14):
I'm like, don't let nobody.
Speaker 6 (48:20):
But it just showed me his sister.
Speaker 5 (48:23):
Yeah, like all on slow down past, like you know
what I mean, the street there with the first to come.
So I was like what But that that alone, like
those things just you know, made me feel confident that
(48:44):
I was in the right place and doing the right thing.
Speaker 1 (48:46):
Now, I'm pretty sure they can see that you play
the game, but you don't joined the game. They see
that you're just doing it's music with you, you know
what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (48:53):
And I don't think it's just music.
Speaker 5 (48:55):
I think lifestyle and character mean something to the people
that I'm around.
Speaker 2 (49:00):
Yeah, even Gucci.
Speaker 5 (49:02):
I feel like Gucci is a totally different person than
he was back when we was you know, one music, sure,
and I you know not. I'm not trying to take
credit then like that, but I feel like I can't.
I'm a positive you know, inslance for sure, because when
Gucci used to talk about me, that's all he talked
about is the characteristic of me. Man, Jay Tobin boy,
he don't drink, he on smoke, he don't. I'm like, Gucci,
(49:23):
ain't why you saying all that? You ain't got to
tell nobody all that. But he was bragging on me
even though we totally different.
Speaker 2 (49:29):
Exactly, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (49:30):
So he's showing that he getting inspired.
Speaker 2 (49:32):
By inspired by that. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (49:33):
So I feel like that, and I feel like that's
I feel like the reason why I'm still around, the
reason why I'm Jay Toven and the credibility is there
is to help influence other people.
Speaker 2 (49:45):
Other people might look at me like I want to
do Toby.
Speaker 5 (49:48):
I want to be Toby. I want to do it
like that. You know, I don't want to come in
I got to be how all the time to make music.
I gotta do this and that.
Speaker 4 (49:58):
So yeah, So you've always been comfortable in your own
skin from they want to forever like pressure.
Speaker 5 (50:07):
I've been comfortable, but people like Gucci made me more
comfortable because because they brag about you know, sometimes you're
coming up. You know, you feel like bro, hold on
to really fit in, I might got to be like them.
Speaker 2 (50:18):
I gotta do what they doing.
Speaker 5 (50:20):
I gotta be in the streets, so I gotta I
gotta give me some tattoos.
Speaker 2 (50:24):
I gotta give me some gold teeth. So you know
what I mean.
Speaker 3 (50:27):
The niggas except that you fool you was and applaud.
Speaker 5 (50:31):
Yeah yeah, so they bragging on it like everybody, everybody, everybody.
So it makes me feel like we'll hold on. I
don't need to I don't need to try to change,
change to be nothing.
Speaker 4 (50:43):
So you love for the ice in the jury though
they ain't had nothing to do with no influence as
a Bucci you know you just love you just love
that ice off the top.
Speaker 5 (50:51):
Well, I ain't gonna lie, bro, being with Gucci, I
was spending up all my money trying to keep up, like.
Speaker 2 (50:56):
Hold on, brother, may we got another change. I gotta
get something.
Speaker 5 (51:00):
But I knew, I knew people responded to that, especially
back then, people responded to that stuff. If you go
back and look at me, Bro, my high school pictures,
brote on my uh on our basketball pitchure. We wanted
to stay championship at Galleo High School. I'm the only
person in the picture would have heir and bowl and chain.
(51:21):
I was on that stuff long. I used to have
rain nugget rains and all this stuff. Yeah, so it
wasn't nothing new.
Speaker 2 (51:27):
Yeah, so yeah, it wasn't new. We've been on that.
That's what it is.
Speaker 4 (51:34):
What's the biggest stay you want the people to know,
say people big fact supporters, your supporters, the people that
have been down for you. What is it twenty plus
now plus twenty plus?
Speaker 5 (51:47):
I'm grateful, Bro, I'm thankful for everybody that's you know
that ever listen to zay Ton Beach talked about zay
to be boss zay Toe and be you know, supporting me,
and you know, I'm grateful, man. I'm thankful to be
where I'm at right now, and I'm excited for what
the futures to come.
Speaker 2 (52:06):
Yeah, what twenty six look like for you? That's a
good question. Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 5 (52:15):
I don't even look at music that way. That's a
blessing to get those songs, to get big songs. But like, like,
my biggest inspiration right now is working with my son.
Like zay Ski is almost one of those guys where
I was looking at like an artist like, boy, if
I get to work with him, we are going crazy.
But he down in the basement or in his room
(52:37):
and I'm listening like, god, bro, whatn't the world and
man on like he taking the beast beasts, you know,
any beats, and it's just like, Bro, I didn't know
he was gonna be you know, he's getting that good.
So that for me, that's like, that's what I'm That's
what twenty twenty six look like to me.
Speaker 2 (52:54):
That's the most rewarded. Yeah, that's the most rewarding part.
Speaker 3 (52:57):
What if he came to say, I don't want to
be on those A beats.
Speaker 2 (52:59):
I want to be on that's fine.
Speaker 5 (53:01):
You know the reason he blew up like he got
a he got a deal without nothing to do with me.
Speaker 2 (53:06):
People don't even know he my son.
Speaker 3 (53:09):
Bro.
Speaker 5 (53:09):
The craziest thing in the world of me was I
got two different calls like hey, we're trying to work
with this kid out of Atlanta, and they send me
this Instagram like, can you you know I'm trying to
get with him.
Speaker 2 (53:21):
They're like, we're working on this album.
Speaker 5 (53:22):
Wants to beat for this too, but and we're trying
to get in terms of this kid out of Atlanta.
So he had a song called Dreaming that was on TikTok.
I'm not on TikTok at the time. I ain't had
no TikTok acount and I don't look at it. He
telling me how good this song doing. But I'm like, broo,
come on man, you don't know what you're talking about
it that's cool. I ain't heard in the radio. I
ain't heard on that. They ain't playing at the club,
(53:44):
so got you know what I mean. I didn't know
that TikTok stuff was like that. Yeah, but they called me,
can I get in touch with him?
Speaker 2 (53:51):
They send me to Instagram. I'm like, hold on, what
you want to do with him?
Speaker 5 (53:54):
That's my son because at this time, he ain't got
no pictures of me on his Instagram. He not used
the Zaytoven name, ose Tove and my dad none of that.
So just to get those calls like hey, we're trying
to sign two different people trying to wear three different
people trying to sign him.
Speaker 2 (54:10):
I'm like, bro, I didn't know that Jon was real.
Speaker 5 (54:12):
Ain't taking let me feel I'm getting called like, man,
my daughter just she love your son music.
Speaker 2 (54:18):
I'm like, bro, what a y'all even talking about? You
know what I mean?
Speaker 5 (54:22):
So that was the most rewarding part to me because
it's like, but that ain't had nothing to do with me.
Speaker 2 (54:26):
They want those to be one of those xatoven coach signed.
It's just him.
Speaker 3 (54:31):
So he hard though, and he got the swab foot,
he got the swag.
Speaker 2 (54:35):
Bro, he got address me now.
Speaker 5 (54:39):
You know that feel? You know, I feel like, hey, man,
day can you come downstairs? Did this shirt look right?
Speaker 2 (54:43):
With these shoes?
Speaker 3 (54:46):
They know they know? Nah that ain't it?
Speaker 2 (54:49):
You gone paying too big? Straight up appreciate you man.
Speaker 3 (54:57):
You know you're welcome any time man come in to.
Speaker 2 (54:59):
Kick well, I'm come and get a job. I need
to come on from the whole.
Speaker 3 (55:05):
Get it.
Speaker 1 (55:06):
You gotta baby, what I got to got, I got
to bring it that.
Speaker 2 (55:10):
You know what y'all should do? Should let me bring
the whole family to the crib. You don't do it
at the crib.
Speaker 3 (55:16):
That'll be hard.
Speaker 2 (55:17):
Let's do it to cook Man. I need to be super.
Speaker 3 (55:20):
That be sup.
Speaker 2 (55:22):
We're gonna do that.
Speaker 4 (55:23):
Let everybody know about that concert one more time going
down December twentieth.
Speaker 5 (55:27):
December twenty of they toven friends to and the Renaissance
Orchestra will be the greatest show on Earth.
Speaker 2 (55:33):
Y'all make sure y'all get your tickets.
Speaker 3 (55:35):
I put that ship on too.
Speaker 2 (55:36):
Yeah, you got to put it on.
Speaker 3 (55:38):
I'm like, well, they said, I know what to do.
I'm putting mink on. Put each cham good.
Speaker 1 (55:55):
I appreciate it that you always bring the great energy
my brother and I know they get tired him as
soon as I think of some my cause, ag, I
need to be like this now he be like, man
did that with it? They cut him up with them
up at twenty minutes to sit it right back to you. Yes, sir,
Now we appreciate everything you do for the culture, bro.
Speaker 2 (56:15):
Thank you.
Speaker 4 (56:15):
Big shouts out to say Tobin pulling up the Big
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Speaker 2 (00:07):
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time for that Big Facts, Big Bank, What Up?
Speaker 3 (00:11):
Baby J? What Up?
Speaker 4 (00:12):
DJ Scream? I'm here welcoming Family Today, super Producer, the
Legends on the couch, Finally on the couch, Finally, what's
something something.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Really supposed to be with y'all every time?
Speaker 5 (00:25):
Y'all doing the keys?
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Yeah, talk about that. Now you're looking real West Coast today?
Speaker 4 (00:37):
Man? Easy, easy see, Like, what's going on with this spider?
Speaker 3 (00:40):
Just look?
Speaker 2 (00:40):
You know what it is?
Speaker 5 (00:41):
Bro? I think it comes my hair a getting long
and the lot. I got to Jered Carroll, so I said,
you know what, let me throw the hat on.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Yeah, embrace it. I came in, I pulled my n
w A West Coast Okay.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Yeah, how you feeling.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
I'm feeling good, real good.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
You got a lot of the works.
Speaker 4 (00:59):
You know what I'm saying. You got a big show
December twentieth Tooven and friends. Let's just chat a little
bit about that before we get into it.
Speaker 5 (01:06):
Oh you know, these ain't nothing but just pieces, bro.
I'm adding things I'm doing just to add to the
Zaytoven name of Zaytoven brand. So I got a show.
It's called zay Tove and Friends with the Renaissance Orchestra.
And what made me kind of want to do it
is I played with Gucci at his orchestra show. You know,
I played the key and I'm like, well, bro hold on,
(01:26):
I got just mini songs as all the everybody else
is doing these show. Yeah yeah, so let me why
I can't do one and I play the keys at it?
So yeah, and just bring out all my you know,
my celebrity friends, Big Bank gonna be there.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
I can't wait for sure for show.
Speaker 4 (01:45):
So I'm gonna ask you an unfair question just to
start it out, to set the tone. Man, who's the
hardest artist? Say Toven, I ever worked with Gucci?
Speaker 2 (01:53):
That ain't hard? What you mean?
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Oh wow?
Speaker 2 (01:55):
Okay you just said damn Yeah, Like, why you gonna
that ain't nothing? That was a lot of hard artist.
Though I worked a lot of hard.
Speaker 5 (02:01):
Hard Topci is hard to make Gucci the hood. Well,
if you think about Zaytoven music or zay Toove and sound,
it comes from making music for Gucci.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Right. This is before I was anybody.
Speaker 5 (02:19):
And I used to remember, like when we're in the
studio and I make a beat, it don't matter to
beat trash or it ain't, it's undone. Gucci instantly gonna
go do a song to it that might turn into
but that's a song that just changed your life. That's
a song that's like created the sound that you have today.
So just I don't know. I just think the chemistry
men and Gucci. You know, God is just unmatched. So
(02:42):
he always gonna be my favorite. He was my favorite
back when people didn't like there, like.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
You think he that hard? Y'all like him? You like
him like that.
Speaker 5 (02:49):
I used to play music at the barbershop. Boy, they
like turn that out. Yeah, I'm like robust so hard,
So ain't nobody hard.
Speaker 4 (02:58):
You ever missed the basement, your Mama's basement.
Speaker 5 (03:00):
I miss it, bro We talk about that all the time.
I missed the basement so much because you know, that's
where everything started. All the artists that even artists not
even here today, you know that I were with that
passed away.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
It's like I.
Speaker 5 (03:16):
Remember them coming to the basement every day, all day,
every day.
Speaker 6 (03:19):
So your mama's basement was bigger than rap.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
Saying what for sure?
Speaker 5 (03:24):
And they ain't even playing it, bro, we just was
just just you know, making music.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
I'm not knowing what I'm not even knowing what I'm
doing down there.
Speaker 7 (03:30):
And it's so crazy because it's like, you know how
sometimes like when you go to a studio or you
go to a place where you're making music and you wondering,
like especially like when you're like a rap artist, you're wondering,
like are you gonna run into somebody that I don't
fuck with? And I gonna see this person? Am I
gonna see that person? Am I gonna see somebody? And
(03:51):
I don't feel like singing or whatever? But it was
like in your mom's basement. It was like a like
a cultivation in safe space. Like even if I did
see a nigga that I wanted to kill, like I
know this my basement. I can't do that here, Like
you know what I'm saying, Like we're finna figured this out,
We're finna be happy and made the music and then
(04:13):
when we get down.
Speaker 6 (04:13):
The street, we're gonna get it on.
Speaker 7 (04:16):
But this here, like this ain't that and I can't
do that today, Like people have that level of respect
for you to know like they're gonna respect you and
your space and wherever you are until after they get
away from there type shit.
Speaker 6 (04:31):
Yeah, and that's big, that's big.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
We never had no issues ever. Yeah, the basement.
Speaker 6 (04:37):
And think about how many niggas have been in your
mama's basement.
Speaker 5 (04:39):
Man, it used to be called wrapped around. I'm surprised
that people ain't called the police.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Yes, so many people.
Speaker 5 (04:50):
That ain't nothing but the Holy Spirit just covering the
whole place. Cause it's like, but it's so many street
guys just coming here, and I'm letting anybody come, I'm
talking about I don't even know.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Oh bro, he got fifteen for a beat, come on here?
You know all that. But you know, I think that's
what it really was.
Speaker 5 (05:12):
And and oncen't I will say Gucci being Gucci, that
he's like the main artist over there all the time.
People respect the Gucci in a certain type of way,
so they feel like, you know, bruh, Gucci is like,
ain't nobody finnna mess up what's going on over here too,
So you know, all that combined, I think it's why
it was so special.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
Yeah, what already shocked you from that from from your
era like that you were working with you, you know
what I'm saying, cause you work with everybody.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
But then he end up shocking, like man, this nigga Ashley.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Everybody did, but like Gucci shocked me.
Speaker 5 (05:43):
I thought going to the lever bro with Gucci man
and playing the music, that was like, that's the best
you get.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
I ain't know it get bigger than that.
Speaker 5 (05:53):
When I seen Gucci with Mariah Carey and I'm like,
but this dude that was at my house every day,
calling me every morning, you know what I mean. I
remember Nicki Minaj used to come over to my mom's basement.
I wouldn't have never imagined she'll be the Nicki Madag
she is today, you know.
Speaker 6 (06:09):
What I mean.
Speaker 5 (06:09):
So a lot of artists bro like she came from there.
I can't even there's so many people came out the basement.
That's like even you like you doing what you doing,
how big as you are now, It's like I ain't
see that.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
I didn't know that, you.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
Know, just coming in.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
I remember I remember got them putting on I just
had I think they were Gucci Gucci. They were like, nah,
Guccia on them. New Beat tore right up on them.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
She had me pull up on you.
Speaker 5 (06:40):
Bro, you had me pull up on you, and I
remember you buying some beats. You gave me a couple
of thousand that at once. She was the first person
in Atlanta to give me just some thousands just for
some beats. But past that, I remember you doing the song.
It was like shining like little time. I was like, bruh,
so hard. You gotta be honest. I always looked at
(07:02):
you like, bro, you are super star.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
Yeah music you I ain't want to do it.
Speaker 5 (07:07):
Still used to used to tell me about whoever else bro,
we I'm working with this. I'm like, bro, you the
start and you always made me. I appreciate that straight up.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
Always tell anybody that like Ola Zay ain't got damn
Gucci them nigga.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
But call you out the blue, like, bro, what is
you doing?
Speaker 2 (07:23):
You go?
Speaker 3 (07:24):
Yeah, too nervous about.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
What's about the rap game that you see now that
you be like damn, that would have never went on
back from when the basement days was going on.
Speaker 5 (07:37):
Uh, you know what you gotta do now, Like now
you gotta be all on social media. You gotta do
a lot of content.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
You gotta do.
Speaker 5 (07:45):
You gotta do that now to become relevant like back
in the day, want nobody.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
To do that that.
Speaker 5 (07:51):
It's like almost you gotta be a you lame doing
you know, trying to do all that and trying to
show too much of or you know, do too much waiting.
Now you ain't doing that, you laying for not doing so.
Speaker 7 (08:04):
And then like outside of the whole like music thing
or whatever, I want you to talk about your directorial
skills and what you have going on with film and
you know what I'm saying, all the projects that you've done,
what you got coming up and all that kind of
stuff because people don't understand like how dope you really
are behind the camera.
Speaker 5 (08:24):
Well, I'm gonna be honest with you. What's up game,
I'm gonna be honest with you. I do I do
one thing. I do one thing that's good and that's
make beats. That's like like I'm a technician at that.
Speaker 6 (08:41):
But no, no, no, and a director like.
Speaker 5 (08:44):
All Al Nukeas doing is the guy that for sure
that got me doing movies. He directed the movie, he
put the scripts together, he do all that. Mem I'm
just either willing vessel or you're.
Speaker 7 (08:56):
An expert tweaker because behind andy, Hey, let's do this
like this, or like you'll say, hey, come say this
like that, or y'all come together like this and then
that ship Like its all the difference in the world.
Speaker 5 (09:08):
Yeah, but you know, at the same time, all this
stuff is just things I enjoy doing or things I
feel like I have to do to continue to brand myself,
continue to market myself and make myself bigger than just
the guy that you know.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
To make beats. So you know, and I enjoy doing
all this stuff.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
So what you think it was that made you stay
like relevant all this time, like eating yourself and cause
your sound is still similar to then to now, but
it's still resonate with every every generation.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
It ain't similar, it's the same.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
It's you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
No, no, it ain't just me.
Speaker 5 (09:46):
It's like I be making you know, I make beats,
and I tweak from what I did back in the day,
but other people. The reason why my sound is still
relevant to this day is because younger people still mimic it. Yeah,
they still making I'm like, bro, they made the exact
same beat.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
That's that's my beat, right making that right you know,
right now?
Speaker 5 (10:05):
And so it's so relevant, which is a blessing for
me as well, because it makes.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Me relevant originator. I'm the originator.
Speaker 5 (10:13):
So it's like they know when you hear that music,
you don't think about no producer but all that they
told me.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
Yeah, so you know, it's like a trigger. That's what
it is. So it's it's a blessing. A lot of
times it can make you be like, dang, bro, why
would you do? Why are you taking my whole?
Speaker 3 (10:28):
When do the mimic in your beat turn into disrespect?
Speaker 5 (10:32):
I think a lot of guys I don't think they
mean disrespect.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
I feel like.
Speaker 5 (10:39):
They know the artists want this or you know, a
lot of times artists have come to me like Brank
a lot when I first even Migo said that when
when we first start rapping, we tell our producer just
made me.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
They tod and beat, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5 (10:52):
I've been on panels where I've been with other producers
where they be like Bro, I'd be so mad because
like even though Zay to sin right here, artists will
come to me and say, Bro just made me some
beats from Atoven Beats, and they're like, Bro, hold on,
I ain't gonna make this man beat I'm gonna produce, Well,
you ain't gonna get my money. That's what I want
make right up, straight up, so you know, and so
(11:16):
I don't a lot of times I don't think it
be disrespect. I just feel like that's what they want
to make. I'm make some Jatoven sound and beats and
it ended up being something special or something big, and
I definitely don't have no problem, especially when it comes
back around like Okay, they told we got to give
you a piece of this because it's really your music.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
What about when the artist just he's Atoven now, like
you know, how something produces.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
Just they don't make my own beats. I just only make.
Speaker 5 (11:45):
Listen, that's cool. That's cool until something blow up. Then
I got to they gotta come in and pull your coach.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Listen, we gotta.
Speaker 6 (11:58):
It's the Commons. Coolest nigga I've ever met in my life,
I swear.
Speaker 7 (12:03):
And then this is this is another question I wanted
to ask you to being that you have such a.
Speaker 6 (12:08):
Singularly unique and individual sound.
Speaker 7 (12:13):
Have you ever you know how some like producers collaborate
and you know, come together and like make beats together.
Speaker 6 (12:19):
Have you ever done that? Or is that something that
you will ever think about.
Speaker 5 (12:22):
Doing only have done that with producers that's you know,
already kind of major.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Like I've done beats with like Metro.
Speaker 5 (12:30):
I've done beats with Mike will and London and a
lot of other producers. Man, you know, I can't even
sit in name I didn't you know, did something beats
with almost all the producers, And believe it or not,
those guys are some of the guys that keep me
relevant as well. Because Metro might be working on this
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big album, I'm gonna bring Zaytoe in in because we won't.
I want that type of sound to feel on you know,
I don't think they have to bring me in. But
a lot of times I remember then call me, man,
this just feel like your music. I want to I
want you to come in and finish doing this beat.
I would have never been on that album if he
didn't call me or whatever. So so I'm with collabing,
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you know, I'm with collabing all the time, especially with
guys like that because and I always show tell them
I appreciate that because you know how it is the
new the new producers. They feel like bri I ain't
got to you ate enough. You've done enough already. It's
my turn. Yeah, but you know they always bring me
in so you know, I always appreciate that as well.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
How didn't feel to see like cash Is excel and
he came out the basement too.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Like just like a rapper.
Speaker 5 (13:36):
It's almost like anybody I'm working with, like like say,
with cash Is, I'm promoting them as man, it's the
best producer in the world, you know, and he was
and he is good. But I'm saying, you know, that's
how promoted. That's how to promote any artists I'm working with.
And so to see somebody like him and he did
(13:56):
a song with Cardi B or he did you know
this and that, and they just let me know that
you know, my ears working, you know what I mean,
all the artists that I've seen blow up. The only
reason I've been around for so long is because everybody
I worked with they with nobody when I was working with,
but then they become but they stars now. So people
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don't call me to be on some big album. You know,
industry don't call me. They were working on you know,
jay Z album, We needed that. That don't happen to
me anytime you hear zay Town music. It's some new,
brand new artists you ain't never heard before, but they
got a zay toe and beat.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
You know that.
Speaker 7 (14:35):
Reminds you of another artist that was from the basement
that's big now.
Speaker 5 (14:41):
Basically pretty much, it's like it's always been that. It's
always been that new artist, new producers a lot of time.
Always is what keeps me.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
Relevant that they preached that how many times they beat recycle.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Man, I still do it to this day. Everybody said
I want that beat.
Speaker 5 (14:58):
People don't understand, like when you got that's something, when
you got a certain sound and you got something that works,
people still want to come.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
I want that again.
Speaker 5 (15:06):
Now why join tennis shoes says so much like bro,
I won't. I'm familiar with them. I want them true classic,
just classic, like it don't go nowhere. So so all
the beats, that's like the song that came out this
year to win wim Me song with Pluto, these young
guys you know, reproducing my beat. But it's the you know,
that's a zatoe beat that's been made fifteen years ago
(15:29):
where it become the hottest song of the year. It's like,
you know, that's that's the classic of the you know,
of the music. And I don't feel like I have
to try to change it.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
How that worked when when somebody usually being able to
come hit do y'all what y'all percentages?
Speaker 5 (15:44):
Yeah, just percentages and everything. Yeah, And I'm always you know,
more than fair, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
So you're welcome and people to go.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
Away, come on.
Speaker 5 (15:52):
If they didn't do that, I wouldn't be around it,
you know, like I am today.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
So it'd be a blessing and all that.
Speaker 5 (15:59):
It be a blessed sending somebody getting my beats that
I ain't never met before.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
They do a song to a whole that song blew up.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
So you do you feel like you when back in
the days, you'll put out the beats. Whoever make a hit,
that's who beat it is.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
Come on, you know you come on, you with there
what you're doing?
Speaker 4 (16:17):
Two or three people got that same beat though I
kind of seen it having.
Speaker 5 (16:20):
All the time, having all the time, But a lot
of times somebody made a mediocre song to it, or
that song was really all that the first niggad to
the finish line, but the other person they got the
hottest song in the world.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
Right now? Who beat it? How you gonna argument about this?
Man got the number one song? Right now? You're gonna
argue me about man? I had that beat. I gave
you the beat.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
Have you ever got there?
Speaker 1 (16:43):
Okay, if you had two people with the same beat
that was going up, have you ever changed a little sound?
Speaker 2 (16:47):
And listen I did that before.
Speaker 5 (16:49):
If they that's what they want, Like, I still want
this beat, you know, so I just changed some add
something else to it. They probably still ain't got no hit,
but you know I.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
Do that for him. That's what they want to do.
Straight up.
Speaker 4 (17:03):
You talk a lot about you know what I'm saying,
like people that you inspired? But who were you inspired by?
Coming up?
Speaker 2 (17:09):
As they told few people I was as far as
like music, yeahcers mainly producers.
Speaker 5 (17:17):
I would say DJ Quick definitely. I don't know MCA producers.
I know he kept shotting out either DJ Slip or
Hawking Bird. I don't even know who his producer was,
but I just remember listening to his music so much
that it's like, bro, whoever making them beasts?
Speaker 2 (17:36):
They crazy?
Speaker 5 (17:37):
And I listened to my music today and I think
about how I play the like Jazzy Pianos on the beats.
How I use certain flutes and violins, that's what they
used back then. I wasn't making beats trying to emulate
what they was doing. But subconstantly I think I was
just making beats and like ooh, this flute sound good,
or this this piano run feel good. And it was
(17:58):
off of listening to that music back in the day.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
Did you ever doubt your skills?
Speaker 2 (18:04):
I ain't.
Speaker 5 (18:05):
Never thought i'd be who I am today. I never
thought I was really that good. I used to matter
of fact, I used to go to the studio, you know,
where people playing beats and all that, and I hear
other people being like, Brian.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
Ain't gonna play my beat behind not behind that are.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
Lower than that.
Speaker 5 (18:24):
It wasn't that it made me. I always felt like
I wasn't good enough, Like I ain't as good. Like
I'm a church musician. I'm always going to churches where
the musician, the other musician, he way better than I am.
So I got to start trying to find like how
can I how can I stand out? How can I,
you know, be seen or heard? So I just had
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to use different styles. I remember when I used to
play beats in the studio, and I felt like I
wasn't good enough. I go spend all my money on
the chain and third coach and come back and play
my beat.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Hard than that.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
Yeah, hard now, straight up.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
That's how it was. I always felt like that.
Speaker 5 (19:08):
It's like I got an overcomeversate, so on the way,
So maybe they'll listen to a different Yeah, you know,
you come in fresh and fly to he he he
hardened everybody.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
I want his beat coming with a coat. That's it,
you know what I mean?
Speaker 5 (19:24):
So, and I hate to say it, but that's in
the in the you know, industry that we're in.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
That stuff means something.
Speaker 5 (19:29):
If I see you and you look like you successful
and you look like I'm listening with a different here
that with the hard beat.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
His shoes curled up, his shirt like he's been wrestling.
So it's like that, ain't that hard?
Speaker 3 (19:43):
Now He'll got dropped. You pull it up in the baby.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
Whatever before you even turn it off, wrapping on that.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 7 (20:01):
So I want to ask you this, like talking about
like speaking about your confidence and you know, being grounded
in your.
Speaker 6 (20:07):
Foundation and stuff like that.
Speaker 7 (20:09):
How big of a part does having a supportive partner
play into that I just want to know.
Speaker 6 (20:17):
I'm you.
Speaker 5 (20:19):
Know, oh yeah, we bro Listen, that's the driving force now,
like the family has always been like the driving force
at first.
Speaker 6 (20:28):
And I know you're big on like the whole family
for sure.
Speaker 7 (20:31):
How does that How does that help boost you up
but also keep you down and grounded at the same time.
Speaker 5 (20:37):
Well, one thing about having a wife, uh, and a
woman that's like a partner, that's a supportive partner.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
They gonna push you to your destiny.
Speaker 5 (20:47):
Even when you feel like, bro, I don't think I
want to do that, or you feel like you ain't
good enough, or you know whatever, they gonna make sure
you feel like no, you come on, you the best
thing out there. You the goat, you the greatest. They
gonna break to somebody else about how good you are.
So it's like now it's like, man, I gotta do it.
You know, my kids the same way my kids helped
(21:09):
keep me relevant. My son been telling me who I
need to work with for the last ten years.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
They need to work with that artist.
Speaker 6 (21:16):
That's all right.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
I'm like, who, I ain't never heard of him? Who
is that? You know?
Speaker 3 (21:19):
So?
Speaker 5 (21:20):
And once I do finally work with the artists, say
like a Little Uzzi at the time. I remember him
telling me about Little Uzzi and the songs you know,
start blowing up.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
It's like, I'm bom show. Glad I worked with him.
It made me relevant all over again.
Speaker 7 (21:34):
Yeah yeah, yeah, So it's really like you have an
internal machine.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
Man for sure.
Speaker 6 (21:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (21:39):
How you see, I'm on TikTok all the time. My
daughter of them got to set that up. She got
to sit up and tell me what dance we gotta do?
What's trending?
Speaker 3 (21:47):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (21:47):
Yeah, but my kids is like, well, you ain't cool
me talking about Yeah, you know I was working with
me Gucci to them like that, Oh that was a
hundred years ago.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
Yeah, that's forever though.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
It's like, bro, you ain't.
Speaker 5 (22:02):
If you're not working with the people we listening to,
then you're not popping and as a daddy, and you
know you want.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
To be cool to your kids. Crust you, man. I
got to hold on, bro, I ain't talking about nothing.
I gotta step it up.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
So who who you feel like you didn't get a
chance to work with that? You like, I just want
to hear him on to beat.
Speaker 4 (22:24):
Mm.
Speaker 5 (22:24):
I don't think it's nobody bro to be honest with you.
I think everybody I work with, it's been who I
kind of wanted to work with.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
To be honest with you.
Speaker 7 (22:33):
You know who I think would kill one of your
beats in real life, Billy Eilishhm.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
That would be hard.
Speaker 5 (22:40):
You know me, b I'm gonna be honest with you.
I don't listen to nobody. I don't know nothing about
everybody else until I work. Well, yeah, and it might
be like like, I don't know. I ain't saying I'm hating,
but it's like, bro, I do want to hear that
junk until.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
I work, until I work with NASA. But that's the hardest.
Hey man.
Speaker 5 (23:01):
It don't matter how on how big he is, how
much you're telling me, how much, how good he is.
Hey man, I don't hear that now. When I worked
with him, you got to hear it.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
He the truth.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
How I feel like working with USh he's double back
to that.
Speaker 5 (23:17):
But you got to think back in high school, the
girls used to be like, oh, you look like Usher.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
You know that was my draw card back.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
In the day, you know what I mean?
Speaker 5 (23:26):
So to work with Usher, you got I think the
first time I worked with him, it was for papers,
and the song with Number one, But I never met him,
I never really talked to him. So for us to
get in the studio and do a whole project together,
it was an instant bro Soon we got in the studio,
we were kicking it like brother, you know, and we
enjoyed just working with each other.
Speaker 6 (23:45):
So that's like, I'm sorry not to cut you off.
Speaker 7 (23:48):
So, like, speaking of that, what's the difference in the
process between like working with somebody possibly virtually or just
doing the song and sending it and then they do
it as opposed to actually having that in studio chemistry.
Speaker 6 (24:01):
Do you think that that.
Speaker 7 (24:03):
Makes the song better or like, how do you think
that affects the outcome of the project?
Speaker 2 (24:08):
I think it has a big effect.
Speaker 5 (24:11):
And you know, once you in the room as a producer,
when you in the room with the artists, you have
more influence.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
You can tell them what you know.
Speaker 5 (24:18):
A lot of time artists looking for you to tell them, well,
what beat?
Speaker 2 (24:22):
What beat you think I need to rap on? Which
way I need to go?
Speaker 5 (24:25):
So I think that, uh, that brings a big difference,
and to some artists it can be intimidating, Like, man,
I don't even want him to be around some people
may make me feel like, Bro, you you too much
of the gold.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
I don't even want to rap while you right here.
Speaker 5 (24:41):
I'd be like, for real, you feel like that I'm
talking about big artists have been like that, and you're
just like brother, hold on, bro, I'm in here with it.
I'm nervous because they are here, Like, Bro, you super big?
How you nervous because I'm here. I've been doing But
I think it still makes you know, makes for the
better song, a better project.
Speaker 6 (24:58):
Yeahah, I think so.
Speaker 5 (24:59):
So that cook up, Yeah, the cook up, just the
presence of just being around each other. I think you
know it makes you want to go hard and makes
you want to impress the person.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
So what's the fastest you did the whole beat? Record time?
Speaker 5 (25:11):
Man, I don't be counting that with you that but
I don't be counting a lot of that stuff is
off impulse, and you know it's just being spontaneous. Like
if you're in the room and I'm making a beat
for you and I know you're excited to rap, I'm
just putting some sounds together.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
I don't know what I'm doing.
Speaker 5 (25:32):
I don't know what it's finna sound like I'm just
putting some sound together and I know you ready to
go wrap. So if it took two minutes, it's because
the artist was they pinned with.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
It, man, like you ain't done yet.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
Yeah, yeah, like I ain't started you put the.
Speaker 5 (25:48):
I won't never get a chance to do that. I
don't never come back. And you know I always felt like,
well I just come back and mess with it later.
But after you hear the song, it's like they don't
need nothing.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
It suck like tw twenty second, like she's done it,
done it done, it's the it's Gucci really, that's what
he the one got me on that because he used
to come over.
Speaker 5 (26:10):
He wanted to make ten songs in a day, so
you ain't got time to try to make the song
to beat extra pretty.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
Or extra life.
Speaker 5 (26:17):
He like say this hard listen, I'm ready you like,
I ain't even putting nonhing, I ain't putting no ongan
or nothing in that yet.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
Man, that's a hard already loder, I'm ready.
Speaker 5 (26:26):
And once you once he recorded to it and you
listen back to it's like, well, I'm glad I didn't
add nothing else because it probably wouldn't miss the song.
Speaker 4 (26:32):
Up you feel like something some of them artists don't
like their voice is an instrument to as a lot
to it.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
So all the extra stuff. Yep, what what did you read?
Did you read guccia new book?
Speaker 2 (26:44):
I ain't read it yet.
Speaker 5 (26:45):
I remember talking about they you know, his people called
me to talk about, you know, back when he he
was like on I think he was doing lean or whatever.
You know, just talk about my experience with him back then.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
Okay, yeah, but you gave you gave him.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Yeah, y'all gave the story. Yeap.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
What's some crazy ship that we might not know? Like that?
Speaker 1 (27:04):
You you almost turned You ain't never almost turn him around?
He said he never turned around?
Speaker 2 (27:08):
Yeah he's I ain't never turned around.
Speaker 3 (27:10):
Yeah yeah, he said, he all picked up the phone
no matter what till I'm going through it tripping. Yeah,
you ain't almost turned around there and tell.
Speaker 5 (27:18):
You just bro, like like that was Gucci ever since
I met him, you know what I mean. So it's
like I always thought that was a superpower of Gucci.
I always felt like bro, him being throwed off of
acting crazy like that's Gucci right there, you know, And
it's so crazy because I'm so opposite of that, especially
at the time. You know, I'm so opposite of how
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Gucci was, but I don't know, like the Yin and
the yang, it was.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
Like yeah, but I still want him around.
Speaker 5 (27:45):
I'm still gonna go you know, I'm still gonna be
with him even when he acting crazy.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
But he never had crazy flashed out on you.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
I ain't flashed out. No, I ain't never flashed out
on me at all.
Speaker 6 (27:54):
But I think that's what it was.
Speaker 7 (27:56):
Just like overall is you as a person, like your
spirit and your.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
Energy brings comfort.
Speaker 7 (28:01):
Like brings comfort, and it's like a candle. You're like
a like a human candle.
Speaker 6 (28:06):
Like you make.
Speaker 7 (28:07):
People, Yeah, you make people calm down. And it's like
you have the power to like quell any situation and
just kind of you know, even it out and like
smooth it out. And that's like that's another like blessing, like.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
For real, Like nah, it all goes down to like energy,
Like yeah, basically it's like you around them on that's
always this way, You're gonna be that way. But you
come around a calm niggas like Zay, you know you
when you walk through the door, you come like this
is a calm situation. I already know brother for me
down here chilling for real chilling, might see babies or something,
but he chilling.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
So it's like you expecting to be calm when you're.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
Going over there.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
You know how you're going other places. You never know
what it's gonna be. So it's just like you up.
But soon as you got there getting.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
Out the call over that, you know, like you're gonna
feel out a place.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
Yeah he's that.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
Why am I? Why am I on ten flat? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (29:01):
In fact, so you don't cut hell no more period what.
Speaker 5 (29:05):
I do could have, but I got a barber shop
in the house, so I still got to cut. You know,
my son here when he needs you know, he got
long hair now, but when he needed timp fade or
lined up my dad, my uncle, brothers, nephews or even
my son start telling his friend, come over, my daddy
cut your over hair. But it be like, you know,
you get about five six on the line, like bro
(29:26):
Ian's gonna keep doing this straight up.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
But I enjoyed. I still enjoyed, you know, still enjoy
cultn't hair.
Speaker 5 (29:34):
It's like when I cut Pop's hair or my uncle here,
it's a good conversation. You know, that's what I used
to love about being in the barbershop.
Speaker 3 (29:41):
You don't think you'll never lose that?
Speaker 5 (29:43):
No, no, no, no, I still love doing that. I couldn't.
It took so long for me to even leave the barbershop.
You end up buying that barbershop. Bro, I was in
the barbershop when besides she was still I was still
at the barbershop. Yeah, and they like, ro a, is
you still doing? I ain't want to leave. Just you know,
the atmosphere is.
Speaker 4 (30:01):
Just realistically saying, realistically, will we get another project with you?
Speaker 3 (30:09):
Think?
Speaker 2 (30:10):
I would love to call him and find out, because
I show would love to do it. Okay, you know
this stuff go, Bro, I'm just I'm the guy that's there.
Speaker 5 (30:18):
Whenever somebody called me and they need me or they
want to do it, I'm always ready to do it.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
You know.
Speaker 5 (30:24):
But if they don't call and they don't want to
do it, then that's cool too. Yeah, but I would
love to do it. I want to do another project
with everybody, undone project.
Speaker 6 (30:32):
So does that mean another Birds of a Feather.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
Or another all that?
Speaker 5 (30:36):
Like, that's one thing I like to do. I enjoy
doing that stuff, so I want to continue to do it.
But you know, sometimes some people might move past that,
like okay, I'm that area is over.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
Past.
Speaker 6 (30:51):
I'm waiting.
Speaker 4 (30:52):
I can't explain why, you know what I'm saying, I
want to say passes like like behind you know what
I'm saying, I would says, I just think that. I
guess some people just want to create with more people.
There's a bunch of people to create with. You Sure,
but it ain't nothing like Gucci and say hudos. Say
Juice Man and say it ain't nothing.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Like That's how I feel. But you know, it's sometime.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
Everybody's been up to human records.
Speaker 5 (31:17):
With Juice with Juice all the time. Juice Juice look
like he's sixteen. Bro, he do Yeah, you're always gonna
be my Juice is one of the guys for sure.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
I could call it any given time, you know, to
do whatever shut out to Juice man.
Speaker 7 (31:32):
But he's one of those people too, Like if you
hear him on anything other than it sounds.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
Funny, like it just goes go together, like what's going on?
Speaker 1 (31:42):
Yeah, you're noways having the well got you a beat? CD,
that's your meat.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
It's your whole taste.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
You ain't trying to look for no more beat even
record every every song on the.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
BIB with CD.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
There we go. I was doing too well. You ain't
finna skip.
Speaker 6 (31:57):
Of all the.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
All the fun.
Speaker 4 (32:01):
Sure you got any regrets along your path, like just
musically personally anything like Man, this one particular time, I
was tripping because a lot of people probably look at
you and be honest like Zatoven's perfect that type of ship,
but regrets.
Speaker 5 (32:15):
So Bro, it almost feel like everything been moving perfectly,
even with all the you know, you know, things that
that happened along the way or people that's not around,
but it's still it just feels like just God that
made it just easy for me. You know, no real hardships,
no real you know, I don't want to do this
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no more. I ain't never felt nothing that so bless everything.
It's great still to be honest with you, Bro, I
still feel like my best days are hitding meat that
straight up. I feel like I ain't even really touch
the service yet. Yeah, so and that keeps me excited,
That keeps me motivated. That's why I keep you see
me making beats on Instagram every day, prettymum, just because
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I'm still excited.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
I'm still you know, dope, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (33:05):
Gonna need that is what would you said?
Speaker 2 (33:07):
December twenty December twenty at the Tabernac.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
Gucci coming back to doing at the top of.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
Your doing, I think New York's Eve.
Speaker 3 (33:15):
So you're gonna You're gonna you're gonna go that one
to got.
Speaker 4 (33:17):
To what was the phone conversation? Like, I mean they
all good, Now, what was the phone conversation? Like knowing
that you were so locked in with Gucci when you
did get the phone conversation from GIZI, Like what was
that situation?
Speaker 2 (33:35):
Like? It wasn't nothing.
Speaker 5 (33:40):
I just remember talking to Gizi and she was like
I need you, like I gotta get something in with you.
And I'm just like all right, cool mm hmm. And
rather than sending him some beats, I went and pulled
up on him. I forgot what he was doing. I
pulled up on him. He was getting a haircut of summer.
I don't know if you're finished a photo shoot or something,
and we're just talking about it, like, yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Let's do it. We do something, put something together, And
that's what it was.
Speaker 5 (34:04):
We did trapad too, and I remember Gucci calling me
and Gucci was like, man, everybody think I'm supposed to
be mad at you because you did a song with Gesz.
He was like, I think that's the hardest song g
did in a long time. Yeah, and that's just how
it was.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
Like send me.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
He ended up putting his He ended up putting a
verse on that song, like yeah, I remember.
Speaker 5 (34:27):
Yeah, like with me and Gucci is that there's no
issues like that. You know what I mean, and Gucci
know how I am and I know how you know
how Gucci is. So I didn't feel no certain type
of way, and I knew he wasn't gonna feel no
certain time.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
That's hard, dope. Yeah, So you had projects with where
you worked with I feel like take Trouble, uh dolls,
who else bank? All these folks come out come well
them been to the basement. How I feel like.
Speaker 3 (34:58):
Just to see that happen, like school school, damn smoke.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
They said, that's crazy.
Speaker 5 (35:10):
They don't even seem real, to be honest with you,
feel like if I call one on right now, it's
like they're gonna pick up. I'm down here, I'm doing
this and that, so it don't even feel real. I
was just at a funeral, my real close cousins. Just
this past Saturday, I had two close cousins pass away.
With the last six months I'm talking about, I wouldn't
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have never thought of the million years they wouldn't be
here or they'll pass away that fast. But I don't know, man,
just all this stuff don't seem like it's even real.
Feel like I can still call.
Speaker 3 (35:41):
How you how you cope with that?
Speaker 2 (35:42):
Like the music helped you? Like making the music does
it help? Man? The music? I just music?
Speaker 5 (35:48):
Is I still feel like I do that like a
hobby bro To be honest with you, Uh, it's you know,
it's I think it's the relationship with God, me really
being in church on the real consistent basis.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
I'm constantly hearing the word. I'm constantly hearing a preacher
you know, speak these things you know, over your life.
Or I've been a musician for as long as I
can remember. You know how many funerals I didn't played
at or been to.
Speaker 5 (36:16):
So you know, it doesn't really you know, it doesn't
just sadden me or or disheartened me like that, you know,
But I just be thankful for the time I had
with these people. A lot of these people help shape
and mold who I am or my sound or whatever.
So I'll just be thankful for the you know times
I had with these people.
Speaker 3 (36:34):
What type of music you listening to in your cup?
Speaker 5 (36:37):
Why? I be listening to gospel music all day, every day,
straight up always.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
That's that's that's just that's just my thing. Bro. I
listened to.
Speaker 5 (36:46):
Like maveryge city music, elevation worship. Yeah, I'm like even
old school quartet music. I'm on like gospel music. I'm
really on that.
Speaker 2 (36:57):
Wow. So how do you that's wow, it's been like that.
Speaker 4 (37:00):
But let's say hot, So how.
Speaker 5 (37:03):
Do you treat the trap mode to cook up?
Speaker 2 (37:10):
Man?
Speaker 5 (37:11):
All this stuff really go hand in hand to me, Like,
if you listen to my music, right, even though the
beasts is thumping and it's hopping and it's trapped out,
you still feel so the soul behind and the you
know so, and that comes from the music I listen
to it. You know, I still play music at the
church twice a week, three times a week sometimes, so
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I think, to me, it just almost go hand in hand.
I'm just putting hard drum beats behind it and people
rapping what they wrap on it.
Speaker 1 (37:43):
Yeah, because because when you're in church, you definitely can
feel the music. That's why I always tell niggas, I like, man,
they really got hip hop bro shouting.
Speaker 3 (37:52):
You know what, Like they don't even know it. They
at church and they don't.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
Even know it. I know that, Bro. I feel like
that truth, it's the truth. I know.
Speaker 5 (38:01):
I can go in the studio, especially with somebody like Future,
I know I can go in the studio and play
some beats for him where it's gonna hit him funny,
where it's like, bro, I don't know what what I
don't know what this is. I've been listening to beats
all that and rapping making songs, but this right here
just hit me in the heart and it's street music.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
But it's like, brother, john't hit me.
Speaker 5 (38:20):
Funny, you know, because I know a lot of time
when I make the music, I can listen to it, like, bro,
that thing got the knowing, But that don't feel different
red light, But I play.
Speaker 3 (38:32):
That mother five hundred time.
Speaker 2 (38:33):
But it is a church, and I feel that's That's
what I feel like.
Speaker 5 (38:37):
And I feel like that's what made me so potent
in the hip hop game is you know, I don't
never feel like I'm better than anybody else, or you know,
I'm way harder than nobody else. I feel like I
have something that's unique though, and you know, and when
the right person rap on it, sing on it, whatever
it is, it's special. And people can feel like that
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feel different, like you know what I mean? All that
he got other songs that jamming and bumping and this
and that, but but that joint right there feel different.
Speaker 4 (39:09):
Right man, If you have five flowers and you had
to give five people flowers for inspiring to helping you
along your journey or a career, who would those five
people be?
Speaker 2 (39:20):
The top five people? It'd be people y'all never heard.
Y'all don't even know who they are.
Speaker 3 (39:24):
Okay.
Speaker 5 (39:25):
One of the guys that was just at my house Sunday,
he's a musician by the name of Vernon Moore. He's
a youth pastor at you know, at his church. But
these are guys. It'll be Vernon Moore, It'll be Hugh Davis,
it'll be Sheldon Harrington, it'll be j T the bigger figure.
(39:45):
J T the bigger figure for sure.
Speaker 2 (39:47):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (39:50):
You know what, And I had to say, I had
to say, my little brother Amos because he was the
first guy that I seen that I worked with that
I've seen. It's like, you know, he used to rap
at church, but he used to wrap at new Birth,
and this is when new Birth was packed out. I'm
talking about thirty thousand people that this man go up
here and rap these songs that I made the bat
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fo no background vocals or none of that I'm talking about.
He's saying a lot of words and rapping a whole story.
But I was just remember just sitting back in the
back of the church, like, but this dude is amazing,
Like this is a real start. But that's my first
time hearing my music being played, you know, in a
sanctuary or somewhere that big that everybody's jamming to it.
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So that had a real big influence on me, you know,
just seeing that.
Speaker 2 (40:37):
That's before Gucci.
Speaker 5 (40:38):
So those people, the people I named, they took personal
time with me, whether at church, Let me show you
how you play this chord, Let me try to play
this song. I take you back home and practice it
all night. But you know they'll put me on the
organ when I don't know everything yet. But you're finna learn,
you know what I mean. We're gonna put you in
front of everybody to you know this, how you're gonna
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get good. And those people took personal time with me
and helped shape and mold me not just my musical talent,
but character as well.
Speaker 2 (41:12):
They said, anything else.
Speaker 1 (41:17):
What you think your strongest point is the keys of
the drum.
Speaker 5 (41:25):
I think it's both. I think it's put together because
my drums ain't the best and my keys, and people
think I'm just super amazing at the keys, but I'm
just okay. But I think when you put them together,
that's what makes it special.
Speaker 2 (41:39):
I think.
Speaker 7 (41:40):
So you ever thought about doing a whole total gospel project.
Speaker 2 (41:45):
I did.
Speaker 5 (41:46):
I did a gospel rap project with Lucre. Matter of fact,
we got to do Yeah.
Speaker 6 (41:52):
He talked about that the last time he was up here.
Speaker 3 (41:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (41:54):
I did a whole project with lu Craate. Then I
did one with this young artist name one k Few.
Speaker 3 (42:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (42:01):
Yeah, so man, I would love to be more than
the gospel. I just did some of the gospel artist
Tasha Cobb's album that just came out. Matter of fact,
she nominated for a Grammy this year, oh next year
for that. But you know that stuff is amazing to me.
I did songs with Bro. My favorite gospel artist was
d Tree. Hadn't I did a song with him, Bro,
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Like the song is called Real Faith. I had young
La feature on the song. Now, this is like a
hero to me in gospel music. Like just to meet him,
Bro was like, Bro, do you know how much a
fan I am? But to be working with him? He
actually came in and worked with me on the Usher album.
It's just like, this stuff be amazing to me.
Speaker 2 (42:42):
So I love to do gospel stuff. You want to
dominated Gray with Usher? Yeah? For the Raymond versus Raymond?
Speaker 3 (42:51):
Gotcha.
Speaker 1 (42:53):
I'm gonna tell you the most dopis shit about you
say you don't never give up on a nigga, Like,
no matter what they going through, You ain't give up
on Gucci, Old Jay, Younger La, no matter whether nigga
going through a How the world looking at.
Speaker 3 (43:08):
You standing right beside a nigga like, Bro, you hard
for sure?
Speaker 2 (43:11):
Really my favorite?
Speaker 3 (43:12):
Yeah? You know what I'm saying. That's the really ship ever, Bro,
because you.
Speaker 1 (43:15):
Don't know like that little ship like that keep a
nigga going in life. Brou niggas be like ship, Bro.
I heard too many niggas like nigga count me out
of everybody counting.
Speaker 2 (43:27):
Out these myo bro's. It's past music with these people.
Speaker 5 (43:32):
Yeah, with you know, like La and Ralph and all
these guys broded to me. I feel like I wouldn't
beay talking without them. They helped shape and mold my
sound to what it is today. And believe it or not, Bro,
when I hear these artists come and record with me,
a come rap on the song, I still be like, man,
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it's just so hard bro. Like l A just did
a song the other day at the house, gave me chills.
I'm like, what, I don't know what he own? So
I'm still a fan at the same time, So these people,
I ain't gonna Man, it don't matter how the.
Speaker 2 (44:08):
World look at it or whatever. I'm still They're still
gonna be my favorite arts to work with.
Speaker 3 (44:12):
Sh cool facts. So are you really related to Sweetie?
Speaker 2 (44:17):
Uh? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (44:19):
No?
Speaker 5 (44:19):
You know how you Yeah?
Speaker 2 (44:21):
No.
Speaker 5 (44:21):
It's like so the church family I stayed with when
I was in California when my parents moved to Atlanta,
I stayed in California because I was so close with
the church family that I was playing the organ for.
So they became like you know they brothers and sisters
of me. Now we almost you know, the same family,
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so sweetiest part of that family.
Speaker 2 (44:45):
So that's kind of really what it is. Okay, got you.
Speaker 5 (44:49):
The Harper's out there in California. Another that's another. These
are other people that just had great impact, you know,
on me, on my life. I was moving all my life.
I mean different people.
Speaker 3 (45:01):
You know how you think your life would have interviewed
to stayed in California.
Speaker 2 (45:04):
No, I could.
Speaker 5 (45:06):
I couldn't have stayed. I couldn't stayed in California past
the time I did. I couldn't afford to be out there. Yeah,
I wanted to stay though. I was trying to stay.
But then when I started getting the studio equipment, I
ain't have no money to really stay nowhere. So I'm
staying at the pastor's house, you know. I mean he
got six kids there. You know, we just putting it together.
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I was like, hold on, my mom and dad got
a basement in Atlanta. I'ma ship all my equipment down there.
Speaker 1 (45:33):
When you first got to Atlanta, what was your first
thought about just the city in general.
Speaker 2 (45:39):
Ro I was just happy to be somewhere new.
Speaker 5 (45:42):
You got to thank my dad was in military, so
I was moving my whole life every three years.
Speaker 2 (45:46):
I'm moving.
Speaker 5 (45:47):
Yeah, So I love where I'm at, wherever I'm staying,
I love it. I donet made friends, you know, I
got bonds with people there. But at the same time,
we're finna move. I'm excited. I'm finna go meet new people.
I'm finna be in the new environment. That's kind of
how it was, you know, coming to Atlanta's like, Oh,
it's going to be something new. Oh my folks, new
got a basement. I can put my studio equipment down there.
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I was just excited about just coming somewhere new.
Speaker 4 (46:13):
So what's the biggest thing you still want to accomplish? Say,
we understand the movies, we understand the music, we understand
where you're at with that, But it's gotta be something
on your spirit or your brain that you still feel
like you got to accomplish outside of what you already
kind of doing and getting your son up. I know,
I know that's covied, but just some personal to you
that you got to see happen, got to see happen, yeah,
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or make happen.
Speaker 2 (46:35):
I'm gonna be.
Speaker 5 (46:36):
Straight up honest with just seemed like everything I can
never imagine that happened for me already. Like straight up, bro,
I ain't playing on none of what I got doing on.
I made a post other doubts like broll God don't
do nothing else, he'd have done enough because I didn't
see my life being what it is right now, you
know what I mean. So everything from you know, having
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a family, being married to having kids to my kids
being you know, extra special, them doing what they doing now, Bro,
I don't know what else you can even think of.
Speaker 4 (47:10):
You think you keep getting them blessings pouring in so
much because you aren't so grateful.
Speaker 2 (47:13):
You think that's the key.
Speaker 5 (47:14):
I believe so, and I make sure like even though
I'm a music producer, I'm still a church musician and
I always put that first. Like you know, if people
don't know in the church I play, it's not no
real big church or nothing like that. It's just my
commitment to that. My whole life has been. You know,
I'm committed to committed to that first. So I just
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feel like y'ad just blessed me with everything, just like
I'm finna do this for you. I'm finn that's like
next year, bro, I don't know how my I don't
know what my career gonna be next year. I don't
know what's gonna happen next year. I just know something
great coming, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (47:50):
The end of the church people ever turned aside eye,
no bro.
Speaker 5 (47:54):
At first, I was scared even tell church people I
was producing music until the past. Shout out to the
pastor because I'm still playing the church. Kendrick Meredith. Man,
he stood up one Sunday, I'm talking about this man
got the Gucci Man Hard to Kill album in his hand,
talking about we want to give a.
Speaker 2 (48:11):
Big shout out to our musician.
Speaker 5 (48:14):
I'm like, don't let nobody.
Speaker 6 (48:20):
But it just showed me his sister.
Speaker 5 (48:23):
Yeah, like all on slow down past, like you know
what I mean, the street there with the first to come.
So I was like what But that that alone, like
those things just you know, made me feel confident that
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I was in the right place and doing the right thing.
Speaker 1 (48:46):
Now, I'm pretty sure they can see that you play
the game, but you don't joined the game. They see
that you're just doing it's music with you, you know
what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (48:53):
And I don't think it's just music.
Speaker 5 (48:55):
I think lifestyle and character mean something to the people
that I'm around.
Speaker 2 (49:00):
Yeah, even Gucci.
Speaker 5 (49:02):
I feel like Gucci is a totally different person than
he was back when we was you know, one music, sure,
and I you know not. I'm not trying to take
credit then like that, but I feel like I can't.
I'm a positive you know, inslance for sure, because when
Gucci used to talk about me, that's all he talked
about is the characteristic of me. Man, Jay Tobin boy,
he don't drink, he on smoke, he don't. I'm like, Gucci,
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ain't why you saying all that? You ain't got to
tell nobody all that. But he was bragging on me
even though we totally different.
Speaker 2 (49:29):
Exactly, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (49:30):
So he's showing that he getting inspired.
Speaker 2 (49:32):
By inspired by that. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (49:33):
So I feel like that, and I feel like that's
I feel like the reason why I'm still around, the
reason why I'm Jay Toven and the credibility is there
is to help influence other people.
Speaker 2 (49:45):
Other people might look at me like I want to
do Toby.
Speaker 5 (49:48):
I want to be Toby. I want to do it
like that. You know, I don't want to come in
I got to be how all the time to make music.
I gotta do this and that.
Speaker 4 (49:58):
So yeah, So you've always been comfortable in your own
skin from they want to forever like pressure.
Speaker 5 (50:07):
I've been comfortable, but people like Gucci made me more
comfortable because because they brag about you know, sometimes you're
coming up. You know, you feel like bro, hold on
to really fit in, I might got to be like them.
Speaker 2 (50:18):
I gotta do what they doing.
Speaker 5 (50:20):
I gotta be in the streets, so I gotta I
gotta give me some tattoos.
Speaker 2 (50:24):
I gotta give me some gold teeth. So you know
what I mean.
Speaker 3 (50:27):
The niggas except that you fool you was and applaud.
Speaker 5 (50:31):
Yeah yeah, so they bragging on it like everybody, everybody, everybody.
So it makes me feel like we'll hold on. I
don't need to I don't need to try to change,
change to be nothing.
Speaker 4 (50:43):
So you love for the ice in the jury though
they ain't had nothing to do with no influence as
a Bucci you know you just love you just love
that ice off the top.
Speaker 5 (50:51):
Well, I ain't gonna lie, bro, being with Gucci, I
was spending up all my money trying to keep up, like.
Speaker 2 (50:56):
Hold on, brother, may we got another change. I gotta
get something.
Speaker 5 (51:00):
But I knew, I knew people responded to that, especially
back then, people responded to that stuff. If you go
back and look at me, Bro, my high school pictures,
brote on my uh on our basketball pitchure. We wanted
to stay championship at Galleo High School. I'm the only
person in the picture would have heir and bowl and chain.
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I was on that stuff long. I used to have
rain nugget rains and all this stuff. Yeah, so it
wasn't nothing new.
Speaker 2 (51:27):
Yeah, so yeah, it wasn't new. We've been on that.
That's what it is.
Speaker 4 (51:34):
What's the biggest stay you want the people to know,
say people big fact supporters, your supporters, the people that
have been down for you. What is it twenty plus
now plus twenty plus?
Speaker 5 (51:47):
I'm grateful, Bro, I'm thankful for everybody that's you know
that ever listen to zay Ton Beach talked about zay
to be boss zay Toe and be you know, supporting me,
and you know, I'm grateful, man. I'm thankful to be
where I'm at right now, and I'm excited for what
the futures to come.
Speaker 2 (52:06):
Yeah, what twenty six look like for you? That's a
good question. Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 5 (52:15):
I don't even look at music that way. That's a
blessing to get those songs, to get big songs. But like, like,
my biggest inspiration right now is working with my son.
Like zay Ski is almost one of those guys where
I was looking at like an artist like, boy, if
I get to work with him, we are going crazy.
But he down in the basement or in his room
(52:37):
and I'm listening like, god, bro, whatn't the world and
man on like he taking the beast beasts, you know,
any beats, and it's just like, Bro, I didn't know
he was gonna be you know, he's getting that good.
So that for me, that's like, that's what I'm That's
what twenty twenty six look like to me.
Speaker 2 (52:54):
That's the most rewarded. Yeah, that's the most rewarding part.
Speaker 3 (52:57):
What if he came to say, I don't want to
be on those A beats.
Speaker 2 (52:59):
I want to be on that's fine.
Speaker 5 (53:01):
You know the reason he blew up like he got
a he got a deal without nothing to do with me.
Speaker 2 (53:06):
People don't even know he my son.
Speaker 3 (53:09):
Bro.
Speaker 5 (53:09):
The craziest thing in the world of me was I
got two different calls like hey, we're trying to work
with this kid out of Atlanta, and they send me
this Instagram like, can you you know I'm trying to
get with him.
Speaker 2 (53:21):
They're like, we're working on this album.
Speaker 5 (53:22):
Wants to beat for this too, but and we're trying
to get in terms of this kid out of Atlanta.
So he had a song called Dreaming that was on TikTok.
I'm not on TikTok at the time. I ain't had
no TikTok acount and I don't look at it. He
telling me how good this song doing. But I'm like, broo,
come on man, you don't know what you're talking about
it that's cool. I ain't heard in the radio. I
ain't heard on that. They ain't playing at the club,
(53:44):
so got you know what I mean. I didn't know
that TikTok stuff was like that. Yeah, but they called me,
can I get in touch with him?
Speaker 2 (53:51):
They send me to Instagram. I'm like, hold on, what
you want to do with him?
Speaker 5 (53:54):
That's my son because at this time, he ain't got
no pictures of me on his Instagram. He not used
the Zaytoven name, ose Tove and my dad none of that.
So just to get those calls like hey, we're trying
to sign two different people trying to wear three different
people trying to sign him.
Speaker 2 (54:10):
I'm like, bro, I didn't know that Jon was real.
Speaker 5 (54:12):
Ain't taking let me feel I'm getting called like, man,
my daughter just she love your son music.
Speaker 2 (54:18):
I'm like, bro, what a y'all even talking about? You
know what I mean?
Speaker 5 (54:22):
So that was the most rewarding part to me because
it's like, but that ain't had nothing to do with me.
Speaker 2 (54:26):
They want those to be one of those xatoven coach signed.
It's just him.
Speaker 3 (54:31):
So he hard though, and he got the swab foot,
he got the swag.
Speaker 2 (54:35):
Bro, he got address me now.
Speaker 5 (54:39):
You know that feel? You know, I feel like, hey, man,
day can you come downstairs? Did this shirt look right?
Speaker 2 (54:43):
With these shoes?
Speaker 3 (54:46):
They know they know? Nah that ain't it?
Speaker 2 (54:49):
You gone paying too big? Straight up appreciate you man.
Speaker 3 (54:57):
You know you're welcome any time man come in to.
Speaker 2 (54:59):
Kick well, I'm come and get a job. I need
to come on from the whole.
Speaker 3 (55:05):
Get it.
Speaker 1 (55:06):
You gotta baby, what I got to got, I got
to bring it that.
Speaker 2 (55:10):
You know what y'all should do? Should let me bring
the whole family to the crib. You don't do it
at the crib.
Speaker 3 (55:16):
That'll be hard.
Speaker 2 (55:17):
Let's do it to cook Man. I need to be super.
Speaker 3 (55:20):
That be sup.
Speaker 2 (55:22):
We're gonna do that.
Speaker 4 (55:23):
Let everybody know about that concert one more time going
down December twentieth.
Speaker 5 (55:27):
December twenty of they toven friends to and the Renaissance
Orchestra will be the greatest show on Earth.
Speaker 2 (55:33):
Y'all make sure y'all get your tickets.
Speaker 3 (55:35):
I put that ship on too.
Speaker 2 (55:36):
Yeah, you got to put it on.
Speaker 3 (55:38):
I'm like, well, they said, I know what to do.
I'm putting mink on. Put each cham good.
Speaker 1 (55:55):
I appreciate it that you always bring the great energy
my brother and I know they get tired him as
soon as I think of some my cause, ag, I
need to be like this now he be like, man
did that with it? They cut him up with them
up at twenty minutes to sit it right back to you. Yes, sir,
Now we appreciate everything you do for the culture, bro.
Speaker 2 (56:15):
Thank you.
Speaker 4 (56:15):
Big shouts out to say Tobin pulling up the Big
Fact check us out at w w W dot big
faxpod dot com, looted.
Speaker 1 (56:24):
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