August 20, 2024 • 41 mins
MLB insider Tim Kurkjian drops by from the Little League World Series in Williamsport, PA as the pennant races are heating up in the Majors, and he answers questions about the proposed “6-inning rule.” And Miami Dolphins WR Tyreek Hill has challenged Olympic 100M Gold Medalist Noah Lyles to a race.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio Day.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Two in the main cave. Dan AT's at the home office. There,
Fritzy Seaton, Mark Paulie, Yours Truly Dan Patrick Show. Tim
kirkshim will join us on loan from ESPN's coverage of
the Little League World Series. A few things to talk
to him about. We'll get to the results of the
poll question from last hour, and we'll see what we're
(00:28):
going to set sail with in the final hour of
the program eight seven to seven to three DP show.
We'll try to squeeze in some phone calls here say
good morning. If you're watching on Peacock, thank you for
downloading the app and our radio affiliates around the country.
We spent a little bit of time, well, we kind
of bounced around on a few things here. We talked
about Anthony Edwards of the Minnesota Timberwolves. He said to
(00:51):
the Wall Street Journal that Michael Jordan was the only
player that really had a skill from past generations. I
think he is maybe misled in what his skill, what
is athleticism, because there are a lot of guys who
can't run and jump, but they can still dominate in
the NBA. But it was interesting that basically Michael Jordan
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is playing against plumbers.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Wasn't that what JJ Reddick said about Bob Coosey, that
he was playing against plumbers. I guess Michael Jordan was
playing against those plumbers, Larry Bird and Magic Johnson. Whatever
happened to those guys? Did they have good careers?
Speaker 4 (01:27):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (01:27):
That's right, they did? Uh? Sean and Oregon? Hey Sean,
what's on your mind today?
Speaker 5 (01:33):
Hey Dan?
Speaker 6 (01:34):
Thanks for taking my call. I think Anthony Edwards just
he's just a young guy that possibly misspoke, you know,
because we did have a lot of skilled guys.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
We had.
Speaker 6 (01:42):
We had skilled dribblers like Tim Hardaway. We had skilled
rebounders like Dennis Rodman. We had skilled passers like Magic Johnson.
We had guys with skilled footwork like Hakeem We had
one guy had a really good skilled free throw shoot,
he was Rick Barry. We had some really skilled uh
shoe like Jerry West. Say, you guys, go on down
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the line, brother, you know what I'm talking about?
Speaker 2 (02:06):
Yeah, you're right. I mean he's young, he's twenty two.
This is the guy who said that he's the number
one option on the Olympic team that didn't work out necessarily.
He's a lot of fun, he's charismatic, he's a really
talented player. He's just not informed on the kind of
players that you had when Michael was playing. You know,
this isn't Bob Coosey playing, or Bill Russell or Wilt Chamberlain.
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When Jordan was playing. There were some pretty high skilled players.
All right, more phone calls coming up. We make way
for Tim Kirchin, ESPN analyst and National Baseball Hall of
Fame sports writer. He's a Little League World Series Williamsport, Pennsylvania. Timmy,
good to see you again. There's a few things I
want to dive into. We thought about you yesterday when
we saw this, the possibility of a six inning rule
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for starting pitchers, and Baseball's floating it out there. I
always get nervous when they float something out there that
it feels like it's a little further down the line.
How do you enforce a six inning rule for starting pitchers?
Speaker 7 (03:08):
Well, I'm not sure how you do that. And Larry
Bird was an unbelievably skilled player, not kidding me. You've
never seen a guy pass in the half court better
than him. One of the greatest shooters of all time. Please, Okay,
I don't know how we're going to do this, Dan,
this is not going to work at six innings. It's
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going to tie the hands of the managers even more
so than they are now. But Dan, we have to
bring back the value of the starting pitcher in today's game.
Speaker 8 (03:41):
Look, I'm a tired old little man now.
Speaker 7 (03:43):
But when I grew up, Jim Palmer faced Sandy Kofax
in the World Series, and Bob Gibson faced Jim Lonborg
in Game seven, and he faced Denny McClain.
Speaker 8 (03:54):
In Game one the next year.
Speaker 7 (03:55):
That's what in baseball was about. And not only did
they start against each other, most of the time, they
went nine innings both of them. We have to get
back to something close to that. I don't know how
to do it. But Max Scherz got me on a
headlock last year at the postseason and said, you guys
meeting the writers have to do something about this. We
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have to come up with a better way to bring
back the value of the starting pitcher. And he kind
of hooked it to the designated hitter. If you take
your starter out after one inning, you lose the DH
for the rest of the game. That is a possibility.
But I just don't see how everyone has to go
six innings unless you've thrown a hundred pitches, or of course,
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unless you got hurt, or if you gave.
Speaker 8 (04:41):
Up four earned runs.
Speaker 7 (04:43):
This is something they're knocking around. I just don't know
how you implement it.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Sho Hey, Utani not pitching this year, but I'm assuming
he will be able to next year. But here he
is cruising to forty forty. The possibility that he could
go fifty to fifty, I mean, that's uncharted territory here, Dan,
everything is uncharted territory when it comes to this guy.
Speaker 7 (05:10):
He is the most remarkable player we've ever seen. I
got asked about two weeks ago if I thought he
would get to forty forty.
Speaker 8 (05:17):
I thought it was a joke. I thought it was
a trick question.
Speaker 7 (05:20):
Of course, he's going to get to forty forty, And yes,
he's got a shot to get to fifty to fifty.
And I know he's not pitching anymore. I know he
doesn't play the field. But it is difficult, Dan, you
know this, to just be a designated hitter.
Speaker 8 (05:35):
You're not playing in the field, you're not pitching, and
yet he hasn't lost a beat. Not only has he not.
Speaker 7 (05:40):
Lost to beat, he's hit even better than he has.
Speaker 8 (05:43):
In the past.
Speaker 7 (05:43):
And that is really really saying something.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
But you look at these guys. You know there's some
cloudist suspicion with some of the forty forty guys. You
know that those numbers are tainted bonds a rod Well,
it's bonds. It's his tainted when he went forty forty.
Speaker 7 (06:06):
Uh no, no, he did that, I believe before he
became the greatest slugger that we've ever seen.
Speaker 8 (06:14):
So I think he had already done that.
Speaker 7 (06:16):
He had already done a lot of things before the
problems or whatever we call it.
Speaker 8 (06:23):
I don't even know what to call it anymore.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Dan, And it feels like and I know that there's
so much pressure on the Hall of Fame, you being
a Hall of Famer voting on this. The Pete Rose
documentary that came out, there's the ground swell once again
that Pete deserves to be in the Hall of Fame.
It is a museum. There's a lot of things in
museums that are done by bad people, or you know,
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there's not necessarily a representation of the best of all
of us. But can we can we compromise and have
people in the Hall of Fame and tell the story
of base through the Hall of Fame, even though there's
going to be some warts at all.
Speaker 7 (07:06):
Well, as you know, Dan, there are a bunch of
people in the Hall of Fame who have plenty.
Speaker 8 (07:09):
Of wards right now.
Speaker 7 (07:11):
And you're right, that's the only way to do this
is to attach a story to every person so we
know exactly what happened. Is it a museum or is
it just a place for the greatest.
Speaker 8 (07:24):
Players of all time.
Speaker 7 (07:25):
If you're writing a story about Cooperstown and the Hall
of Fame, well Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens have to be
in it. But I totally understand the other side of
this that people say, no, you can't put people in
who you cheated on any level, and guys have been
cheating in baseball for one hundred and forty years. Dan,
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you know that you played, you are encouraged to cheat.
I remember Jeter got Jeter got hit on the knob
of his bat once and he pretended like it hit
him on the hand because he was behind in the count,
and he ended up in first base. That's what you're
taught That's what I was taught in high school to do.
And then when somebody does, he go, oh my gosh,
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he tried to deceive the empire. Well, they've been deceiving
the empire and the referees in the NBA for years.
This is part of the gig. It's not Magan. Doesn't
make it right, but you can't ignore.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
It is Pete getting in posthumously. Could you see like
a sympathetic type of vote for Pete after the fact.
Speaker 7 (08:32):
Yeah, I just refuse to believe that he will never
get into the Hall of Fame. But it's going to
take a different commissioner in my opinion, who's going to
have to come in and open it up again and
see where it goes from there, because I don't think
Rob Manford is going to allow this to happen.
Speaker 8 (08:51):
It's a really tricky spot.
Speaker 7 (08:53):
Dan, I made speeches all the time, and like within
the first five questions, no matter where I am, no
matter what the group is, it should Pete Roseby in
the Hall of Fame? Question happens every single time. That's
how interested people still are in this topic.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Talking to Tim Kirkchin, ESPN analyst, National Baseball Hall of
fame sports writer. He's at the Little League World Series
in Williamsport, Pennsylvania. Let me go back to o'tani. He
had a procedure. Now, I don't know if we're going
to make Tommy John the name obsolete. If, like, are
we coming up with a different type of surgery that
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it'll be called something different than Tommy John surgery and
therefore Tommy becomes obsolete.
Speaker 7 (09:39):
Well, I'm certainly hope so, because Tommy John was a really,
really good major league pitcher one over two hundred and
eighty games, should not have.
Speaker 8 (09:48):
An injury attached to his name.
Speaker 7 (09:51):
But this is the fifty year anniversary of Tommy John surgery,
and Dan somebody asked me once, like whose name comes
up more in regular conversation in baseball, Cy Young or
Tommy John, And I think the answer is Tommy Job.
And there's something wrong with that. So let's hope they
can and they know how to do this really well,
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and they're gonna keep doing it better and better, and
maybe instead of being out a year, they're only going
to be out six months. But I would really like
to see fewer pictures get hurt and fewer discussions of
all of this but I just don't see that happening
anytime soon.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
Well, it's like Kevin Durant and Aaron Rodgers with Achilles surgery.
That you know, modern medicine procedures that now you have
different doctors who are doing different things to get players
back sooner. And that's what I wondered that we've been
we just throw out Tommy John. Oh Tommy John surgery.
Oh Tani didn't have Tommy John surgery, but he had
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a procedure. I don't know if that was something that
can circumvent Tommy John surgery. So but I do like
that we'd mentioned Tommy and continue to mention him, and
then maybe people will look at his career record and
I mean, it's hard to win two hundred and eighty
games and you're not in a Hall of Fame. But
can he be in there for contributions to the game? Well,
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with me, Tommy shun.
Speaker 7 (11:14):
Surgery, its name comes up every day. He should be
in there for this. The guy asks him, once, is
losing you know really burn your stomach? He said, the
only thing that burns my stomach is Sechuan food. And
I said, all right, that's good enough for me.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
I think you know when he passes away, he just
donates his arm to the Baseball Hall of Fame.
Speaker 7 (11:36):
Well, I think for his sake, someday we're going to
rename this this surgery, and it's going to be named
after someone else, or it's just going to be given
a different name, at.
Speaker 8 (11:46):
Least I hope.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
So I'm listening to the Mets game, and you had
Keith Hernandez and Ron Darling and they're both going on
a three zero coount. No, no, you don't swing on
a three zero count. You don't you know you're not
swinging on a three o count. Well, the hitter swung
on a three zero count and hit a home run.
I don't know what is analytics. I don't know what
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is new baseball, because back in the seventies or eighties
when we were growing up, you're not swinging on a
three to zero pitch. Is it okay to swing on
a three to zero pitch in today's game?
Speaker 7 (12:18):
Dan, I'm at the Little League World Series and the
kid swung at a three to zero pitch yesterday and
we laughed out loud.
Speaker 8 (12:25):
It was wonderful.
Speaker 7 (12:26):
In the press box, me Ravi, Eduardo Perez three to
ozho pitch.
Speaker 8 (12:30):
It was out of the strike zone and he swung
at it.
Speaker 7 (12:32):
Yes, Dan, you're allowed to swing at a three tozero pitch.
Mike Trout a couple of years ago hit the first
home run of his career on a three to zero pitch,
so he usually doesn't.
Speaker 8 (12:44):
The rule, the.
Speaker 7 (12:45):
Unwritten rule about three to zero count is you never
swing three to zero when you're up by ten runs, which,
of course Fernando Tatiste Junior did a few years ago
and then celebrated it on his way around the bases
at A couple of veterans on his team said come
over here, we need to talk to you about this,
because I don't think he understood that that is really forbidden,
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because somebody's going to get thrown out after that. Somebody
on your team is going to get hurt because you
swung at a three to zero pitch. Just look at
the scoreboard, read the room, and you'll know what to do.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
Have you noticed a change in coaching style at the
Little League World Series? We were talking about growing up
tough love. Now you have coaches who are more what
came up with tuatongua Iloa with Mike McDaniel as opposed
to Brian Flores. Flores used to demean him and you know,
really rough him up. And then Mike McDaniel came in
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and was basically an arm around your shoulder looking at
you know these coaches and many of them have kids
on the team. Has it changed at all kind of
the tone of how they coach, Yeah, I.
Speaker 7 (13:57):
Think so and so as being miked up during the game. Look,
the Little League World Series is so beautifully run, Dan,
nobody makes a mistake here, and if a manager goes
out there and says something even mildly inappropriate, it's just
not gonna work. And they're gonna tell him you can
go home now if he's miked up and says something
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that he shouldn't have said. But Dan, it's a way
bigger thing, as you know, than just littlelegue. We don't
yell at anyone in the big leagues anymore. A few
years ago, a guy made a horrendous based running mistake.
If I had made that at age fifteen, my high
school coach would have taken me off the field and said,
you're not playing the rest of this game if you
don't know any better than that. But this guy makes
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it's a major leaguer makes a terrible mistake. He gets
called into the manager's office after the game. The manager
puts his arm around him and says, we love you. Okay,
just remember we love you, and then he explained, you
can't make this mistake again. This is what you do
the next time. Three times he was told, we love you.
Speaker 8 (15:00):
Don't forget that.
Speaker 7 (15:01):
Whereas back when I first started covered, if you made
that mistake. Jick Williams, Jim Fragozi, Whitey herz Up, Earl Weaver, what.
Speaker 8 (15:11):
A crush your bones. They're right on the field. Those
days don't exist anymore.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
Always great to talk to you, Tim. Thank you have
fun there in Williamsport.
Speaker 8 (15:22):
It's impossible not to have fun here.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
Dan.
Speaker 8 (15:24):
Thanks, They'll talk to you soon.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
That's Tim Kirkchin and you can see Tim on ESPN's
coverage Little League World Series all this week from Williamsport, Pennsylvania. Yeah,
the three to oho swinging on a three to oh.
I don't know what the analytics say. It always feels
like whenever there's a question, I go, what did the
analytics say? Like that's that's sort of my cop out.
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I don't know analytics must say, I understand it. If
you're a good hitter and you may only get one
good pitch, and maybe that good pitch is on a
three to oh, I have no problem with it. I
don't want somebody who strikes out a lot, you know,
bat in two hundred jumping on a three to zero
pitch and plus the time in place of a three
to zero pitch. As Tim said, you're up ten. You're
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not swinging on a three to zero pitch. I mean
you might, but then you're gonna be picking yourself off
off the turf when the next pitch comes your way.
All right, let me take a break, get two phone calls.
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Speaker 2 (17:10):
College football starts Saturday. Say goodbye to the wife and
kids until February. Gonna have football just about every day.
Next Thursday, there's a big slate to college football games
as well. Gonna have fantasy drafts coming up, and then
it starts. It's on for a good six months, seven months.
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Justin Herbert cleared to practice, Jayden Daniels will get the
start for the Commanders. Cameron in Cincinnati, Hey Cam, what's
on your mind today?
Speaker 4 (17:41):
Hey Dan? Love the show? Hey, I had a quick question.
I want to get your thoughts on do you think
bo Nicks. Let's save the sake of argument, he turns
out to be really good this year. Do you think
that this will change kind of the template of how
college quarterbacks go through their college career. I mean, he
was able to once around, learn new offenses, learn new coaches.
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He's still getting paid Nile money. He's got the transfer portal.
Do you think that'll kind of shift things in the
college landscape for these quarterbacks? And do you think that'll
shift the thought processes of coaches too and when they
evaluate these quarterbacks?
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Well, I think you have a couple of anomalies here
with Aiden Daniels because he probably felt he had gone
as far as he could go at Arizona State, and
he wanted to get paid and LSU was willing to
pony up the money. Bo would have probably stayed at Auburn.
It felt like that was a divorce, and then he
ends up at Oregon. But he was good. I mean,
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he's a You got to be talented first of all,
and then because that means somebody is going to want
you to transfer there. We've had the transfer portal, you
had COVID, so you're getting quarterbacks players at they were
a little bit older. The fact that bo Nix is
twenty four, you're not going to have that because you
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don't have the COVID year. And then you're gonna have
players who maybe play they have a five year career,
but you know, they transfer the red shirt, whatever it
might be. I think you're you're getting the You know,
Michael Pennix was at Indiana and played at a really
high level for Indiana, and then you know he was
banged up, but you know, I wanted to get paid.
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Washington was willing to pay him, and he you know,
took him to a national championship game. I don't think
you're gonna have that. It feels like you're gonna have
quarterbacks who were going to stay at places. I mean,
you're always going to have an outlier. If I I
would go year to year, if I was a quality
quarterback and I would just see what's out there. If
I like the offense, I like the coach, friends on
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the team, and I think we're gonna be good, then
you may stay. But this has really come down to
what's the best deal. That's what the players are doing.
What's the best deal for me, And that's going to continue.
So therefore you're gonna have a little bit of upheaval.
But I don't think you're gonna have these quarterbacks who
were twenty four, twenty five years of age anymore. We
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still can't get over the John Madden movie that's going
to be made and Nicholas Cage is going to play
John Madden, and from what I'm told, it's about the
video game Madden NFL. Nick Cage has had a really
interesting career. And if you go like on Netflix and
you'll just be like looking at movies and be, oh,
(20:26):
there's a Nick Cage movie. I never heard of that one.
Oh there's another Nick Cage. He has quite a few
movies where you go, I never heard of it. And
it feels like has anybody done more movies than Nick
Cage total in the last Yes, No, I'm saying that
are acting. Now, how many actors have acted in more
(20:49):
movies in the last let's say, twenty five years than
Nick Cage.
Speaker 10 (20:53):
Nick Cage's IMDb and you know last year he was
in six movies in twenty twenty.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
Three, So one year, six movies.
Speaker 10 (21:01):
Yeah, and it's been basically since two thousand and eighteen,
he's average in four year at least.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Yeah. Seen.
Speaker 11 (21:09):
The crazy part of it isn't necessarily the volume of
movies that he's doing, but how awesome they are, like
his I'm not even kidding his the movies that he's
been doing lately are so good in a very Nicholas
Cage kind of way that it's crazy that he's had
a career resurgence while not completely changing exactly who he is.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
I don't know if he's had hit movies. I think
he's had interesting movies. What's the big blockbuster that he
was in. Oh, I don't know.
Speaker 11 (21:44):
That he's had blockbusters recently, but okay to critically been
pretty well received.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
I think, well, he had the one where he made
fun of himself, you know, the character the unbearable weight
of massive talent. It got great reviews, Yes, many.
Speaker 11 (22:03):
The one he's got out now, Long Legs is gets
great reviews. Pig got really good reviews. What was the
other one? It was a Girl's Name that A lot
of them are sort of like horror movies that are
really good, but his his career resurgence, it's it's not
in a like I don't it's just it has a
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certain quality to it that you don't normally see where
they're not necessarily straight to DVD movies.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
You know what, sounded like he had a comeback, because
in his mind he probably never went away. But for us,
it's like, oh, yeah, he used to be in some movies.
But when I watched Pig and I thought Pig was
pretty good. I want my Pig. I thought it was
pretty good. Yes, Todd based off.
Speaker 12 (22:52):
I thought it was pretty entertaining with him and John
Travolto or they ended up with each other's face. So yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
Yeah yeah.
Speaker 10 (22:59):
Paul Nicholas k you have a run if you start
about eighty five, where he had like Raising Arizona, Moonstruck, Vampires,
Kiss Honeymoon in Vegas. He had guarding tests that could
happen to you, Kiss of Death, Little Junior Brown is great.
Leaving Las Vegas. You got a lot of nominations for
leaving Las Vegas. Then he went the rock con Air
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face off in a eighteen month period. Then then it
kind of went like more Gone in sixty seconds, more
action type movies.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
I like Gone in sixty seconds because you know, when
you have cars and fast cars, beautiful women, and you
know there's some crime going on, I'm all in with That.
Speaker 11 (23:41):
Was like Montana Slim or something like that.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
Yeah, you're so close. I think it was like that.
His first name Dakota Jackson or something, Dakota Montana.
Speaker 5 (23:53):
Oh, what was it?
Speaker 2 (23:55):
I thought it was Montana something like that. So Angelina
Joe he is in that one, Uh Memphis rains and
given you half a point for that scene. Yeah, we
know it was a city somewhere and face Off he
was castor Troy and con Air he was Cameron Poe. Wow,
(24:16):
so he's gonna be John Madden and the uh what
is there? Is there a sports story that hasn't been
told yet that needs to be told? The USFL like
would you could you do a movie on it? There's
some characters.
Speaker 10 (24:33):
Doing a while business type movies like like Air and
the Mad Movie.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
USFL is kind of juicy. Once again, if you would
have said, hey, Moneyball, you're really gonna like it, I'd
be like, no, I'm not. And then I watched it
and then I liked it. I think their social network.
I thought, yeah, they're making how do you make an
interesting movie about that? And then they did. So that's
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where I mean, that's why you have these brilliant people
who come up with the idea, they write the script,
how they direct it. But yeah, there's times when you
go nobody's gonna watch that, and then all of a
sudden it's like, oh my god, it's unbelievable. Yes, tod
is he gonna be able to.
Speaker 12 (25:14):
Do John Madden's voice. It's gonna be give t Y
Hilton the ninety three.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
I don't know. I don't know anything about this picture.
Speaker 12 (25:22):
That's going to sound like movie to Sean Jackson's Too
High ninety one.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
I don't know. I don't know if he's going to
do a John Madden impersonation.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
He's not that easy to do.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
I don't think. And then boom, now I think you
know what you get Frank Caliendo, don't do the voice.
Just liclle boom, duncan Mark? Oh, we just lost Mark
in Savannah. Who's gonna have something about the movie?
Speaker 6 (25:51):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (25:52):
Luke and Charlotte. Hi, Luke, welcome back.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
Hey guys, it's good to be back. Good to have
you guys back. I was just doing some thinking. We
are thirty two years removed from the Dream Team in
ninety two talking about how the rest of the world
is picking up in basketball. If we have an NFL
Flag Football Dream Team in twenty twenty eight, in twenty sixty,
are we going to be talking about the rest of
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the world catching up in.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
Football only if they're playing football, Luke, because they were
playing basketball they just weren't playing good basketball. Then all
of a sudden, the Dream Team happened, and then all
these other countries were like, let's get a team together,
let's get better, let's try to compete with the Dream Team.
I don't know how big football. I mean, they're trying
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to grow it around the world. That's why you have
these games that are in different countries, because they want
Germany in Brazil that you know, they're going to embrace
a team and then maybe you start to develop football
players and then get those players to be able to
play in the NFL. Really, what's happened with the NBA.
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These players are really good, they go to academies, then
they come over here and you know, four of the
five best players in the world are from outside the
United States. I don't know if that'll happen in thirty
two years with the NFL or flag football. I am
curious about that. Who would play in flag football. It's just,
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you know, you're asking for an injury. It just feels like,
and that's what I always worry about. You know, where
you go, we're gonna well, remember when they had the
beach what was that ye pickup game? Who was the
running back out of Georgia, Robert Edwards. He had a
really good rookie year for the Patriots. Patriots w up
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his knee.
Speaker 11 (27:47):
Yes, yes see, not to sound so like American about it,
but do we really need Patrick Mahomes and that caliber
to be competing?
Speaker 2 (27:59):
Well? Did we need Lebron to compete?
Speaker 3 (28:01):
Yes?
Speaker 5 (28:02):
We did?
Speaker 2 (28:04):
Yeh. Well what's the second best football league in the world? Uh,
the UFL?
Speaker 11 (28:13):
I mean, I guess is the Spanish NFL LEAGUEFL coming up?
Speaker 2 (28:19):
No CFL, CFL that's very respectable. M Yeah, yeah, I
don't know.
Speaker 11 (28:28):
Okay, Justin Herbert could probably take care of him. I
think I don't know that we.
Speaker 13 (28:31):
Need all right, yeah, Marvin, But if you're the Olympics,
don't you want star power? Like you wouldn't want a
flag football team with a bunch of guys from you know,
the USFL or the XFL, Like, oh, where's Patrick Mahomes,
where's Tyreek Kill?
Speaker 2 (28:44):
Where's those guys? Well, if you can win a gold medal,
like that's really the key. Steph Curry had not played
in the Olympics. Now you have a chance to win
a gold I mean that to me would be enticing
to play.
Speaker 11 (28:59):
You have a European born quarterback.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
That I like.
Speaker 8 (29:06):
I can't even think.
Speaker 11 (29:08):
I don't know where everybody was born necessarily, but who
would be Is there somebody from France that's playing in
the league right now that would be like, dang, that
wide receiver quarterback combo from France is just gonna light
us up.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
Well, you're gonna, okay, you're gonna stumble upon some really
good players and then they're gonna get an opportunity, they'll
get a tryout. I feel like that that that'll happen.
But no, not off the top of my head, do
I go.
Speaker 11 (29:35):
Hey, you know that Dutch tight ends though, don't see
he's like a Kittle type.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
Yeah, he's the Dutch oven. It's a helmet in the
flat right helmet.
Speaker 11 (29:44):
I just don't know.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
I don't know that Tyreek Hill's still in the news
and so is Noah Lyles because it's Tyreek Hill. Because
now I guess Tyrek made it official that he's calling
him out and he wants to race fifty yards. And
if I'm no Alliles, I'm not racing fifty yards. I'm
going to race Tyreek Hill in my race. If you're
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challenging me, you run my race. Not because Tyreek Hill
could win a forty yard dash against No Alliles in
my opinion, because he's extremely quick right out of the
gate and No Alliles is not a good starter. But
the difference, I'm going to play you something that I
asked this question to Otto Bolden, NBC track analyst. He
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joined us from the Olympics, and I asked him about
Tyreek racing No Alliles. If Tyreek Hill and No Alliles
did a sixty meter dash, it wouldn't be pretty. Tyreek
tried to sixty a couple of years ago.
Speaker 3 (30:44):
I know he's not training for it, and his body's
been beat there by the NFL, and he has to
be a lot of bulk here.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
I get all of that. I coach a ton of
football players, But Tyreek rant sixty.
Speaker 13 (30:53):
Seven nor this year round sixty four, that may not
seem like a lot in terms of the mass, but
it's that.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
That's so that's a.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
Boot book game.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
So he brought up something else with No Alliles. It
takes No Alliles a little bit longer. He was last
in the one hundred meters with what at sixty meters
something like that, He was last ended up winning the
gold now granted photo finished, but he still won it,
and he doesn't he's not great at starting. What Otto
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Bolden talked about with track speed is they may take
a little while to get there. When they get there,
they can maintain that speed longer than you can. Sometimes
when you're running and you're running as fast as you
can and then you realize I got to slow down
or you get winded. The track guys get He'll get
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to twenty seven miles an hour and stay at twenty
seven miles an hour. Tyreek may get somewhere in that vicinity.
But what Otto Bolden is saying is no, Allisles will
continue at twenty seven miles an hour. That's how he
wins these races. I'm not racing fifty yards if I'm
no Allowles, not going to because Tyreek Hill can maybe
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maybe steal that now Auto Bolden said, it won't be pretty,
but that's sixty meters. If I'm Tyreek Hill, I do
forty I do forty yards, and I wouldn't be surprised
if he would win forty yards. He not going to
win much more distance, you know than that, but I
and it's going to be close too. Like you don't
want it to be where it's not a photo finish
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that Tyreek Hill wants to say, Hey, I can run
with you. But it's like DK Metcalf, he at least
tried to do this. Tyreek Hill was just talking right now, yes, pauling. Yeah.
Speaker 10 (32:40):
If I'm Tyreek Hill, I try every move to try
to get it on my playing field.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
Like No Allows. You got a hold of football.
Speaker 10 (32:47):
When you're running, all of a sudden, you gotta get
up and you gotta just start running with a football
on your right hand.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
Anything. If I'm No Allows, you want to challenge me,
then you know, if you're coming at me, you got
to run my race, and that's one hundred meters. I
wouldn't do anything less. I would do one hundred meters
and I would say, you want to challenge me the
fastest man in the world. We're going one hundred meters.
We'll take a break when we come back. Who will
be the Worst Team in the NFL will play the
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Who will Be the Worst Team in the NFL game
right after this.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
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Speaker 2 (33:27):
It's time now to play who will be the worst
team in the NFL game? All right? Who would like
to go first? Who feels really strong about it? Oh?
Todd's got the left paw up?
Speaker 13 (33:38):
Oh we do?
Speaker 2 (33:39):
Okay. The worst team in the NFL this year will
be the.
Speaker 12 (33:43):
New York Giants. I think there's gonna be a more
regression from Daniel Jones. They lost Saquan and I just
got a bad feeling about the Giants.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
Okay, Seaton O'Connor. The worst team in the NFL will
be Giants are a good guess.
Speaker 11 (33:57):
I like that one. I'm going to say the New
England Patriots. Okay, I think you got a new head coach,
you got a new quarterback. Even their good players are
now forcing their way out. It looks like an ugly situation.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
All right, Marvin. Worst team in the NFL will be.
Speaker 13 (34:15):
The Carolina Panthers. Yeah, schedules not looking too good for them.
They still got bad ownership, bad team. Three wins tops.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
Three wins times Okay, Paulie. The worst team in the
NFL will be Cowboys. Eagles and Commanders are competitive. The
New York Giants are going the wrong direction clean up
on asle five, They're gonna be the worst. I think
the Giants might surprise you that they'll be a little
bit better. They are going to have a really good defense.
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It comes down to Daniel Jones. Can he play at
a respectable level? Now? Commanders are going to be better.
I don't know what Dallas is going to be. Philadelphia
I think will be a good team. I mean there's
red flags. It feels like with the Eagles and certainly
with the Cowboys. The Commanders might be one of those
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underdog stories and maybe surprising some people. I think the
worst team will be Carolina. I just don't know if
they have the infrastructure there that they put a good
team out there. Bryce Young is still going to be undermanned, outmanned.
I think in just about every there'll be an underdog.
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I'm going to guess in every game. We should check
with Vegas or DraftKings. How many teams will be are
listed as underdogs the entire season. Do you see the
Patriots being favored in a game this year? Carolina being
favored in a game this year? Those to me are
that it feels like the two worst teams. I don't
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know why I'm a little more bullish on the Giants
than I should be, but I think they have a
little bit more talent than what people Carolina doesn't have,
you know, top end talent. Could anybody on Carolina start
for the Giants? It's a random thought. I'm not sure
there probably are, but yes, boy.
Speaker 10 (36:12):
I'm looking at the biggest line from DraftKings. On Week one,
the Bengals are given nine to the Patriots. Bengals are
at home. There's no other line bigger than five and
a half points.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
Okay, I mean that's not a lot if you're the
you know, the Bengals to me are a playoff team,
maybe outside super Bowl contender. Again, Patriots, we know are
just playing bad. But there's going to be two teams
that really surprise in a way that you go, wow,
we didn't see them being that good. And there'll be
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two teams where you go, wow, what happened? Every year?
At least you know you have that there'll be a
couple of surprises there. Doug in North Carolina, Hi, Doug,
what's on your mind today?
Speaker 5 (36:56):
Well, then a moment ago you said, is there any
sports movie that still needs to be made? And I
got to tell you. About six months ago, I sat
home and I stumbled upon a YouTube video. Somebody had
uploaded a nineteen eighty one Thanksgiving game of the Detroit Lions,
and I'm a huge Lions fan, so I said, I'll
put it on his background music. As as I'm watching this,
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the announcers are going off about how this is going
to be a battle of the two best young running backs.
Onalte was Billy Sims, who I remember as a kid.
The other I had never heard of, so I started
googling his name, and I'm like, why is this guy's
life not a movie. It's Joe Delating of the Kansas
City Chiefs, who died I think after his rookie year,
jumping into a pond in Louisiana, trying to save three
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kids who were drowning. He couldn't swim. He ended up
drowning himself, but did manage to save one of the kids.
I think it's a major motion picture movie. This guy's
name should be a household word.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
Yeah, it's certainly an interesting story. I remember at the time,
I'm like, wait a minute, how did he drown? He jumped,
he couldn't swim, but still tried to save peace and
he was a very good runner. Talented runner. Nobah Lyles,
fastest man in the world has set their joint is
coming up tomorrow. Let me see anything final results of
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the poll question Seaton.
Speaker 11 (38:14):
Yeah, we got a few of them working here today. Uh,
let's see we put up there for the third hour.
Or let's see we had If I had to choose
one to make the Pro Bowl Right now, Caleb Williams
is running away with that one, followed by Jaden Daniels.
Which coaching style works best right now? Support and encouragement.
Speaker 2 (38:32):
That's nice.
Speaker 11 (38:32):
I'm really happy with our audience. Well done, lads.
Speaker 2 (38:37):
I think what happens is it used to be that
managers and coaches just yelled. They but now you're yelling
if are you giving me the best effort? You're gonna
make mistakes. Everybody makes mistakes. It's how does your coach
or manager handle the mistakes you made as opposed to
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you're not hustling. There's no effort there. And I would
think that today's coach would probably have more of an
issue with how much effort you're showing as opposed to,
all right, you made a mistake and the ball went
through your legs. Or you know, you swung and miss
on a pitch that was outside the strike. Soone, it's
more of the do you really care? And I think
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that's where it probably bothers coaches nowadays. This day in
sports history for you, Paully, what do you have?
Speaker 10 (39:24):
A couple of good ones? Nineteen twenty, reps of four
professional football teams met in Campton, Ohio. The meetings led
to the founding of the American Professional Football Association. Two
years later, they said that name stinks and became the NFL.
Nineteen forty five, Tommy Brown and the Brooklyn Dodgers became
the youngest player that hit a home run in a
Major League game. He was seventeen years old. He started
a year earlier at age sixteen, made his debut with
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the Dodgers at age sixteen.
Speaker 2 (39:48):
He is still alive at age ninety six. Wow. I
looked him up, still alive, Tommy Brown. I always thought
the Joe Knuxaw story he was fifteen years of age
pitching in the major leagues during World War Two, because
he had a lot of players obviously who were drafted.
But Joe Nuxall was fifteen and he pitched at you know,
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in the major leagues. That to me is kind of interesting.
I did have a friend just point out that I
mentioned the Social Network and Moneyball. Aaron Sorkin wrote both
of those, So maybe there's something to be said. When
Aaron Sorkin, he gets the typewriter out, he can make
just about anything sound great. Except for the show's Sports Night.
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He didn't do a good job on the show that's
supposed to be based on me, and Keith Oberman at
Sports Center didn't quite capture the tone there. Yes, Marvin, what.
Speaker 13 (40:46):
About Jim Valvana as far as the movie.
Speaker 2 (40:52):
I inquired about that, and I was told by somebody
that family probably didn't want want some of the negativity
that was attached to Jim with recruiting some other things.
You know, great story that he won the title, what
happened at the SP's, You know, there's a lot of
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great and he was so much fun to be around.
But I was told that somebody who was in touch
with the family, they were concerned it might not be
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kirkshim will join us on loan from ESPN's coverage of
the Little League World Series. A few things to talk
to him about. We'll get to the results of the
poll question from last hour, and we'll see what we're
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going to set sail with in the final hour of
the program eight seven to seven to three DP show.
We'll try to squeeze in some phone calls here say
good morning. If you're watching on Peacock, thank you for
downloading the app and our radio affiliates around the country.
We spent a little bit of time, well, we kind
of bounced around on a few things here. We talked
about Anthony Edwards of the Minnesota Timberwolves. He said to
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the Wall Street Journal that Michael Jordan was the only
player that really had a skill from past generations. I
think he is maybe misled in what his skill, what
is athleticism, because there are a lot of guys who
can't run and jump, but they can still dominate in
the NBA. But it was interesting that basically Michael Jordan
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is playing against plumbers.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Wasn't that what JJ Reddick said about Bob Coosey, that
he was playing against plumbers. I guess Michael Jordan was
playing against those plumbers, Larry Bird and Magic Johnson. Whatever
happened to those guys? Did they have good careers?
Speaker 4 (01:27):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (01:27):
That's right, they did? Uh? Sean and Oregon? Hey Sean,
what's on your mind today?
Speaker 5 (01:33):
Hey Dan?
Speaker 6 (01:34):
Thanks for taking my call. I think Anthony Edwards just
he's just a young guy that possibly misspoke, you know,
because we did have a lot of skilled guys.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
We had.
Speaker 6 (01:42):
We had skilled dribblers like Tim Hardaway. We had skilled
rebounders like Dennis Rodman. We had skilled passers like Magic Johnson.
We had guys with skilled footwork like Hakeem We had
one guy had a really good skilled free throw shoot,
he was Rick Barry. We had some really skilled uh
shoe like Jerry West. Say, you guys, go on down
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the line, brother, you know what I'm talking about?
Speaker 2 (02:06):
Yeah, you're right. I mean he's young, he's twenty two.
This is the guy who said that he's the number
one option on the Olympic team that didn't work out necessarily.
He's a lot of fun, he's charismatic, he's a really
talented player. He's just not informed on the kind of
players that you had when Michael was playing. You know,
this isn't Bob Coosey playing, or Bill Russell or Wilt Chamberlain.
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When Jordan was playing. There were some pretty high skilled players.
All right, more phone calls coming up. We make way
for Tim Kirchin, ESPN analyst and National Baseball Hall of
Fame sports writer. He's a Little League World Series Williamsport, Pennsylvania. Timmy,
good to see you again. There's a few things I
want to dive into. We thought about you yesterday when
we saw this, the possibility of a six inning rule
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for starting pitchers, and Baseball's floating it out there. I
always get nervous when they float something out there that
it feels like it's a little further down the line.
How do you enforce a six inning rule for starting pitchers?
Speaker 7 (03:08):
Well, I'm not sure how you do that. And Larry
Bird was an unbelievably skilled player, not kidding me. You've
never seen a guy pass in the half court better
than him. One of the greatest shooters of all time. Please, Okay,
I don't know how we're going to do this, Dan,
this is not going to work at six innings. It's
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going to tie the hands of the managers even more
so than they are now. But Dan, we have to
bring back the value of the starting pitcher in today's game.
Speaker 8 (03:41):
Look, I'm a tired old little man now.
Speaker 7 (03:43):
But when I grew up, Jim Palmer faced Sandy Kofax
in the World Series, and Bob Gibson faced Jim Lonborg
in Game seven, and he faced Denny McClain.
Speaker 8 (03:54):
In Game one the next year.
Speaker 7 (03:55):
That's what in baseball was about. And not only did
they start against each other, most of the time, they
went nine innings both of them. We have to get
back to something close to that. I don't know how
to do it. But Max Scherz got me on a
headlock last year at the postseason and said, you guys
meeting the writers have to do something about this. We
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have to come up with a better way to bring
back the value of the starting pitcher. And he kind
of hooked it to the designated hitter. If you take
your starter out after one inning, you lose the DH
for the rest of the game. That is a possibility.
But I just don't see how everyone has to go
six innings unless you've thrown a hundred pitches, or of course,
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unless you got hurt, or if you gave.
Speaker 8 (04:41):
Up four earned runs.
Speaker 7 (04:43):
This is something they're knocking around. I just don't know
how you implement it.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Sho Hey, Utani not pitching this year, but I'm assuming
he will be able to next year. But here he
is cruising to forty forty. The possibility that he could
go fifty to fifty, I mean, that's uncharted territory here, Dan,
everything is uncharted territory when it comes to this guy.
Speaker 7 (05:10):
He is the most remarkable player we've ever seen. I
got asked about two weeks ago if I thought he
would get to forty forty.
Speaker 8 (05:17):
I thought it was a joke. I thought it was
a trick question.
Speaker 7 (05:20):
Of course, he's going to get to forty forty, And yes,
he's got a shot to get to fifty to fifty.
And I know he's not pitching anymore. I know he
doesn't play the field. But it is difficult, Dan, you
know this, to just be a designated hitter.
Speaker 8 (05:35):
You're not playing in the field, you're not pitching, and
yet he hasn't lost a beat. Not only has he not.
Speaker 7 (05:40):
Lost to beat, he's hit even better than he has.
Speaker 8 (05:43):
In the past.
Speaker 7 (05:43):
And that is really really saying something.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
But you look at these guys. You know there's some
cloudist suspicion with some of the forty forty guys. You
know that those numbers are tainted bonds a rod Well,
it's bonds. It's his tainted when he went forty forty.
Speaker 7 (06:06):
Uh no, no, he did that, I believe before he
became the greatest slugger that we've ever seen.
Speaker 8 (06:14):
So I think he had already done that.
Speaker 7 (06:16):
He had already done a lot of things before the
problems or whatever we call it.
Speaker 8 (06:23):
I don't even know what to call it anymore.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Dan, And it feels like and I know that there's
so much pressure on the Hall of Fame, you being
a Hall of Famer voting on this. The Pete Rose
documentary that came out, there's the ground swell once again
that Pete deserves to be in the Hall of Fame.
It is a museum. There's a lot of things in
museums that are done by bad people, or you know,
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there's not necessarily a representation of the best of all
of us. But can we can we compromise and have
people in the Hall of Fame and tell the story
of base through the Hall of Fame, even though there's
going to be some warts at all.
Speaker 7 (07:06):
Well, as you know, Dan, there are a bunch of
people in the Hall of Fame who have plenty.
Speaker 8 (07:09):
Of wards right now.
Speaker 7 (07:11):
And you're right, that's the only way to do this
is to attach a story to every person so we
know exactly what happened. Is it a museum or is
it just a place for the greatest.
Speaker 8 (07:24):
Players of all time.
Speaker 7 (07:25):
If you're writing a story about Cooperstown and the Hall
of Fame, well Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens have to be
in it. But I totally understand the other side of
this that people say, no, you can't put people in
who you cheated on any level, and guys have been
cheating in baseball for one hundred and forty years. Dan,
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you know that you played, you are encouraged to cheat.
I remember Jeter got Jeter got hit on the knob
of his bat once and he pretended like it hit
him on the hand because he was behind in the count,
and he ended up in first base. That's what you're
taught That's what I was taught in high school to do.
And then when somebody does, he go, oh my gosh,
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he tried to deceive the empire. Well, they've been deceiving
the empire and the referees in the NBA for years.
This is part of the gig. It's not Magan. Doesn't
make it right, but you can't ignore.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
It is Pete getting in posthumously. Could you see like
a sympathetic type of vote for Pete after the fact.
Speaker 7 (08:32):
Yeah, I just refuse to believe that he will never
get into the Hall of Fame. But it's going to
take a different commissioner in my opinion, who's going to
have to come in and open it up again and
see where it goes from there, because I don't think
Rob Manford is going to allow this to happen.
Speaker 8 (08:51):
It's a really tricky spot.
Speaker 7 (08:53):
Dan, I made speeches all the time, and like within
the first five questions, no matter where I am, no
matter what the group is, it should Pete Roseby in
the Hall of Fame? Question happens every single time. That's
how interested people still are in this topic.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Talking to Tim Kirkchin, ESPN analyst, National Baseball Hall of
fame sports writer. He's at the Little League World Series
in Williamsport, Pennsylvania. Let me go back to o'tani. He
had a procedure. Now, I don't know if we're going
to make Tommy John the name obsolete. If, like, are
we coming up with a different type of surgery that
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it'll be called something different than Tommy John surgery and
therefore Tommy becomes obsolete.
Speaker 7 (09:39):
Well, I'm certainly hope so, because Tommy John was a really,
really good major league pitcher one over two hundred and
eighty games, should not have.
Speaker 8 (09:48):
An injury attached to his name.
Speaker 7 (09:51):
But this is the fifty year anniversary of Tommy John surgery,
and Dan somebody asked me once, like whose name comes
up more in regular conversation in baseball, Cy Young or
Tommy John, And I think the answer is Tommy Job.
And there's something wrong with that. So let's hope they
can and they know how to do this really well,
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and they're gonna keep doing it better and better, and
maybe instead of being out a year, they're only going
to be out six months. But I would really like
to see fewer pictures get hurt and fewer discussions of
all of this but I just don't see that happening
anytime soon.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
Well, it's like Kevin Durant and Aaron Rodgers with Achilles surgery.
That you know, modern medicine procedures that now you have
different doctors who are doing different things to get players
back sooner. And that's what I wondered that we've been
we just throw out Tommy John. Oh Tommy John surgery.
Oh Tani didn't have Tommy John surgery, but he had
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a procedure. I don't know if that was something that
can circumvent Tommy John surgery. So but I do like
that we'd mentioned Tommy and continue to mention him, and
then maybe people will look at his career record and
I mean, it's hard to win two hundred and eighty
games and you're not in a Hall of Fame. But
can he be in there for contributions to the game? Well,
(11:12):
with me, Tommy shun.
Speaker 7 (11:14):
Surgery, its name comes up every day. He should be
in there for this. The guy asks him, once, is
losing you know really burn your stomach? He said, the
only thing that burns my stomach is Sechuan food. And
I said, all right, that's good enough for me.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
I think you know when he passes away, he just
donates his arm to the Baseball Hall of Fame.
Speaker 7 (11:36):
Well, I think for his sake, someday we're going to
rename this this surgery, and it's going to be named
after someone else, or it's just going to be given
a different name, at.
Speaker 8 (11:46):
Least I hope.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
So I'm listening to the Mets game, and you had
Keith Hernandez and Ron Darling and they're both going on
a three zero coount. No, no, you don't swing on
a three zero count. You don't you know you're not
swinging on a three o count. Well, the hitter swung
on a three zero count and hit a home run.
I don't know what is analytics. I don't know what
(12:07):
is new baseball, because back in the seventies or eighties
when we were growing up, you're not swinging on a
three to zero pitch. Is it okay to swing on
a three to zero pitch in today's game?
Speaker 7 (12:18):
Dan, I'm at the Little League World Series and the
kid swung at a three to zero pitch yesterday and
we laughed out loud.
Speaker 8 (12:25):
It was wonderful.
Speaker 7 (12:26):
In the press box, me Ravi, Eduardo Perez three to
ozho pitch.
Speaker 8 (12:30):
It was out of the strike zone and he swung
at it.
Speaker 7 (12:32):
Yes, Dan, you're allowed to swing at a three tozero pitch.
Mike Trout a couple of years ago hit the first
home run of his career on a three to zero pitch,
so he usually doesn't.
Speaker 8 (12:44):
The rule, the.
Speaker 7 (12:45):
Unwritten rule about three to zero count is you never
swing three to zero when you're up by ten runs, which,
of course Fernando Tatiste Junior did a few years ago
and then celebrated it on his way around the bases
at A couple of veterans on his team said come
over here, we need to talk to you about this,
because I don't think he understood that that is really forbidden,
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because somebody's going to get thrown out after that. Somebody
on your team is going to get hurt because you
swung at a three to zero pitch. Just look at
the scoreboard, read the room, and you'll know what to do.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
Have you noticed a change in coaching style at the
Little League World Series? We were talking about growing up
tough love. Now you have coaches who are more what
came up with tuatongua Iloa with Mike McDaniel as opposed
to Brian Flores. Flores used to demean him and you know,
really rough him up. And then Mike McDaniel came in
(13:44):
and was basically an arm around your shoulder looking at
you know these coaches and many of them have kids
on the team. Has it changed at all kind of
the tone of how they coach, Yeah, I.
Speaker 7 (13:57):
Think so and so as being miked up during the game. Look,
the Little League World Series is so beautifully run, Dan,
nobody makes a mistake here, and if a manager goes
out there and says something even mildly inappropriate, it's just
not gonna work. And they're gonna tell him you can
go home now if he's miked up and says something
(14:18):
that he shouldn't have said. But Dan, it's a way
bigger thing, as you know, than just littlelegue. We don't
yell at anyone in the big leagues anymore. A few
years ago, a guy made a horrendous based running mistake.
If I had made that at age fifteen, my high
school coach would have taken me off the field and said,
you're not playing the rest of this game if you
don't know any better than that. But this guy makes
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it's a major leaguer makes a terrible mistake. He gets
called into the manager's office after the game. The manager
puts his arm around him and says, we love you. Okay,
just remember we love you, and then he explained, you
can't make this mistake again. This is what you do
the next time. Three times he was told, we love you.
Speaker 8 (15:00):
Don't forget that.
Speaker 7 (15:01):
Whereas back when I first started covered, if you made
that mistake. Jick Williams, Jim Fragozi, Whitey herz Up, Earl Weaver, what.
Speaker 8 (15:11):
A crush your bones. They're right on the field. Those
days don't exist anymore.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
Always great to talk to you, Tim. Thank you have
fun there in Williamsport.
Speaker 8 (15:22):
It's impossible not to have fun here.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
Dan.
Speaker 8 (15:24):
Thanks, They'll talk to you soon.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
That's Tim Kirkchin and you can see Tim on ESPN's
coverage Little League World Series all this week from Williamsport, Pennsylvania. Yeah,
the three to oho swinging on a three to oh.
I don't know what the analytics say. It always feels
like whenever there's a question, I go, what did the
analytics say? Like that's that's sort of my cop out.
(15:46):
I don't know analytics must say, I understand it. If
you're a good hitter and you may only get one
good pitch, and maybe that good pitch is on a
three to oh, I have no problem with it. I
don't want somebody who strikes out a lot, you know,
bat in two hundred jumping on a three to zero
pitch and plus the time in place of a three
to zero pitch. As Tim said, you're up ten. You're
(16:08):
not swinging on a three to zero pitch. I mean
you might, but then you're gonna be picking yourself off
off the turf when the next pitch comes your way.
All right, let me take a break, get two phone calls.
Who will be the worst team in the NFL this year?
We're gonna play the who will be the Worst Team
in the NFL game when we return.
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Speaker 2 (17:10):
College football starts Saturday. Say goodbye to the wife and
kids until February. Gonna have football just about every day.
Next Thursday, there's a big slate to college football games
as well. Gonna have fantasy drafts coming up, and then
it starts. It's on for a good six months, seven months.
(17:31):
Justin Herbert cleared to practice, Jayden Daniels will get the
start for the Commanders. Cameron in Cincinnati, Hey Cam, what's
on your mind today?
Speaker 4 (17:41):
Hey Dan? Love the show? Hey, I had a quick question.
I want to get your thoughts on do you think
bo Nicks. Let's save the sake of argument, he turns
out to be really good this year. Do you think
that this will change kind of the template of how
college quarterbacks go through their college career. I mean, he
was able to once around, learn new offenses, learn new coaches.
(18:02):
He's still getting paid Nile money. He's got the transfer portal.
Do you think that'll kind of shift things in the
college landscape for these quarterbacks? And do you think that'll
shift the thought processes of coaches too and when they
evaluate these quarterbacks?
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Well, I think you have a couple of anomalies here
with Aiden Daniels because he probably felt he had gone
as far as he could go at Arizona State, and
he wanted to get paid and LSU was willing to
pony up the money. Bo would have probably stayed at Auburn.
It felt like that was a divorce, and then he
ends up at Oregon. But he was good. I mean,
(18:40):
he's a You got to be talented first of all,
and then because that means somebody is going to want
you to transfer there. We've had the transfer portal, you
had COVID, so you're getting quarterbacks players at they were
a little bit older. The fact that bo Nix is
twenty four, you're not going to have that because you
(19:01):
don't have the COVID year. And then you're gonna have
players who maybe play they have a five year career,
but you know, they transfer the red shirt, whatever it
might be. I think you're you're getting the You know,
Michael Pennix was at Indiana and played at a really
high level for Indiana, and then you know he was
banged up, but you know, I wanted to get paid.
(19:22):
Washington was willing to pay him, and he you know,
took him to a national championship game. I don't think
you're gonna have that. It feels like you're gonna have
quarterbacks who were going to stay at places. I mean,
you're always going to have an outlier. If I I
would go year to year, if I was a quality
quarterback and I would just see what's out there. If
I like the offense, I like the coach, friends on
(19:44):
the team, and I think we're gonna be good, then
you may stay. But this has really come down to
what's the best deal. That's what the players are doing.
What's the best deal for me, And that's going to continue.
So therefore you're gonna have a little bit of upheaval.
But I don't think you're gonna have these quarterbacks who
were twenty four, twenty five years of age anymore. We
(20:05):
still can't get over the John Madden movie that's going
to be made and Nicholas Cage is going to play
John Madden, and from what I'm told, it's about the
video game Madden NFL. Nick Cage has had a really
interesting career. And if you go like on Netflix and
you'll just be like looking at movies and be, oh,
(20:26):
there's a Nick Cage movie. I never heard of that one.
Oh there's another Nick Cage. He has quite a few
movies where you go, I never heard of it. And
it feels like has anybody done more movies than Nick
Cage total in the last Yes, No, I'm saying that
are acting. Now, how many actors have acted in more
(20:49):
movies in the last let's say, twenty five years than
Nick Cage.
Speaker 10 (20:53):
Nick Cage's IMDb and you know last year he was
in six movies in twenty twenty.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
Three, So one year, six movies.
Speaker 10 (21:01):
Yeah, and it's been basically since two thousand and eighteen,
he's average in four year at least.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Yeah. Seen.
Speaker 11 (21:09):
The crazy part of it isn't necessarily the volume of
movies that he's doing, but how awesome they are, like
his I'm not even kidding his the movies that he's
been doing lately are so good in a very Nicholas
Cage kind of way that it's crazy that he's had
a career resurgence while not completely changing exactly who he is.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
I don't know if he's had hit movies. I think
he's had interesting movies. What's the big blockbuster that he
was in. Oh, I don't know.
Speaker 11 (21:44):
That he's had blockbusters recently, but okay to critically been
pretty well received.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
I think, well, he had the one where he made
fun of himself, you know, the character the unbearable weight
of massive talent. It got great reviews, Yes, many.
Speaker 11 (22:03):
The one he's got out now, Long Legs is gets
great reviews. Pig got really good reviews. What was the
other one? It was a Girl's Name that A lot
of them are sort of like horror movies that are
really good, but his his career resurgence, it's it's not
in a like I don't it's just it has a
(22:26):
certain quality to it that you don't normally see where
they're not necessarily straight to DVD movies.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
You know what, sounded like he had a comeback, because
in his mind he probably never went away. But for us,
it's like, oh, yeah, he used to be in some movies.
But when I watched Pig and I thought Pig was
pretty good. I want my Pig. I thought it was
pretty good. Yes, Todd based off.
Speaker 12 (22:52):
I thought it was pretty entertaining with him and John
Travolto or they ended up with each other's face. So yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
Yeah yeah.
Speaker 10 (22:59):
Paul Nicholas k you have a run if you start
about eighty five, where he had like Raising Arizona, Moonstruck, Vampires,
Kiss Honeymoon in Vegas. He had guarding tests that could
happen to you, Kiss of Death, Little Junior Brown is great.
Leaving Las Vegas. You got a lot of nominations for
leaving Las Vegas. Then he went the rock con Air
(23:19):
face off in a eighteen month period. Then then it
kind of went like more Gone in sixty seconds, more
action type movies.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
I like Gone in sixty seconds because you know, when
you have cars and fast cars, beautiful women, and you
know there's some crime going on, I'm all in with That.
Speaker 11 (23:41):
Was like Montana Slim or something like that.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
Yeah, you're so close. I think it was like that.
His first name Dakota Jackson or something, Dakota Montana.
Speaker 5 (23:53):
Oh, what was it?
Speaker 2 (23:55):
I thought it was Montana something like that. So Angelina
Joe he is in that one, Uh Memphis rains and
given you half a point for that scene. Yeah, we
know it was a city somewhere and face Off he
was castor Troy and con Air he was Cameron Poe. Wow,
(24:16):
so he's gonna be John Madden and the uh what
is there? Is there a sports story that hasn't been
told yet that needs to be told? The USFL like
would you could you do a movie on it? There's
some characters.
Speaker 10 (24:33):
Doing a while business type movies like like Air and
the Mad Movie.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
USFL is kind of juicy. Once again, if you would
have said, hey, Moneyball, you're really gonna like it, I'd
be like, no, I'm not. And then I watched it
and then I liked it. I think their social network.
I thought, yeah, they're making how do you make an
interesting movie about that? And then they did. So that's
(24:58):
where I mean, that's why you have these brilliant people
who come up with the idea, they write the script,
how they direct it. But yeah, there's times when you
go nobody's gonna watch that, and then all of a
sudden it's like, oh my god, it's unbelievable. Yes, tod
is he gonna be able to.
Speaker 12 (25:14):
Do John Madden's voice. It's gonna be give t Y
Hilton the ninety three.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
I don't know. I don't know anything about this picture.
Speaker 12 (25:22):
That's going to sound like movie to Sean Jackson's Too
High ninety one.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
I don't know. I don't know if he's going to
do a John Madden impersonation.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
He's not that easy to do.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
I don't think. And then boom, now I think you
know what you get Frank Caliendo, don't do the voice.
Just liclle boom, duncan Mark? Oh, we just lost Mark
in Savannah. Who's gonna have something about the movie?
Speaker 6 (25:51):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (25:52):
Luke and Charlotte. Hi, Luke, welcome back.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
Hey guys, it's good to be back. Good to have
you guys back. I was just doing some thinking. We
are thirty two years removed from the Dream Team in
ninety two talking about how the rest of the world
is picking up in basketball. If we have an NFL
Flag Football Dream Team in twenty twenty eight, in twenty sixty,
are we going to be talking about the rest of
(26:18):
the world catching up in.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
Football only if they're playing football, Luke, because they were
playing basketball they just weren't playing good basketball. Then all
of a sudden, the Dream Team happened, and then all
these other countries were like, let's get a team together,
let's get better, let's try to compete with the Dream Team.
I don't know how big football. I mean, they're trying
(26:41):
to grow it around the world. That's why you have
these games that are in different countries, because they want
Germany in Brazil that you know, they're going to embrace
a team and then maybe you start to develop football
players and then get those players to be able to
play in the NFL. Really, what's happened with the NBA.
(27:01):
These players are really good, they go to academies, then
they come over here and you know, four of the
five best players in the world are from outside the
United States. I don't know if that'll happen in thirty
two years with the NFL or flag football. I am
curious about that. Who would play in flag football. It's just,
(27:25):
you know, you're asking for an injury. It just feels like,
and that's what I always worry about. You know, where
you go, we're gonna well, remember when they had the
beach what was that ye pickup game? Who was the
running back out of Georgia, Robert Edwards. He had a
really good rookie year for the Patriots. Patriots w up
(27:45):
his knee.
Speaker 11 (27:47):
Yes, yes see, not to sound so like American about it,
but do we really need Patrick Mahomes and that caliber
to be competing?
Speaker 2 (27:59):
Well? Did we need Lebron to compete?
Speaker 3 (28:01):
Yes?
Speaker 5 (28:02):
We did?
Speaker 2 (28:04):
Yeh. Well what's the second best football league in the world? Uh,
the UFL?
Speaker 11 (28:13):
I mean, I guess is the Spanish NFL LEAGUEFL coming up?
Speaker 2 (28:19):
No CFL, CFL that's very respectable. M Yeah, yeah, I
don't know.
Speaker 11 (28:28):
Okay, Justin Herbert could probably take care of him. I
think I don't know that we.
Speaker 13 (28:31):
Need all right, yeah, Marvin, But if you're the Olympics,
don't you want star power? Like you wouldn't want a
flag football team with a bunch of guys from you know,
the USFL or the XFL, Like, oh, where's Patrick Mahomes,
where's Tyreek Kill?
Speaker 2 (28:44):
Where's those guys? Well, if you can win a gold medal,
like that's really the key. Steph Curry had not played
in the Olympics. Now you have a chance to win
a gold I mean that to me would be enticing
to play.
Speaker 11 (28:59):
You have a European born quarterback.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
That I like.
Speaker 8 (29:06):
I can't even think.
Speaker 11 (29:08):
I don't know where everybody was born necessarily, but who
would be Is there somebody from France that's playing in
the league right now that would be like, dang, that
wide receiver quarterback combo from France is just gonna light
us up.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
Well, you're gonna, okay, you're gonna stumble upon some really
good players and then they're gonna get an opportunity, they'll
get a tryout. I feel like that that that'll happen.
But no, not off the top of my head, do
I go.
Speaker 11 (29:35):
Hey, you know that Dutch tight ends though, don't see
he's like a Kittle type.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
Yeah, he's the Dutch oven. It's a helmet in the
flat right helmet.
Speaker 11 (29:44):
I just don't know.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
I don't know that Tyreek Hill's still in the news
and so is Noah Lyles because it's Tyreek Hill. Because
now I guess Tyrek made it official that he's calling
him out and he wants to race fifty yards. And
if I'm no Alliles, I'm not racing fifty yards. I'm
going to race Tyreek Hill in my race. If you're
(30:07):
challenging me, you run my race. Not because Tyreek Hill
could win a forty yard dash against No Alliles in
my opinion, because he's extremely quick right out of the
gate and No Alliles is not a good starter. But
the difference, I'm going to play you something that I
asked this question to Otto Bolden, NBC track analyst. He
(30:30):
joined us from the Olympics, and I asked him about
Tyreek racing No Alliles. If Tyreek Hill and No Alliles
did a sixty meter dash, it wouldn't be pretty. Tyreek
tried to sixty a couple of years ago.
Speaker 3 (30:44):
I know he's not training for it, and his body's
been beat there by the NFL, and he has to
be a lot of bulk here.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
I get all of that. I coach a ton of
football players, But Tyreek rant sixty.
Speaker 13 (30:53):
Seven nor this year round sixty four, that may not
seem like a lot in terms of the mass, but
it's that.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
That's so that's a.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
Boot book game.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
So he brought up something else with No Alliles. It
takes No Alliles a little bit longer. He was last
in the one hundred meters with what at sixty meters
something like that, He was last ended up winning the
gold now granted photo finished, but he still won it,
and he doesn't he's not great at starting. What Otto
(31:24):
Bolden talked about with track speed is they may take
a little while to get there. When they get there,
they can maintain that speed longer than you can. Sometimes
when you're running and you're running as fast as you
can and then you realize I got to slow down
or you get winded. The track guys get He'll get
(31:45):
to twenty seven miles an hour and stay at twenty
seven miles an hour. Tyreek may get somewhere in that vicinity.
But what Otto Bolden is saying is no, Allisles will
continue at twenty seven miles an hour. That's how he
wins these races. I'm not racing fifty yards if I'm
no Allowles, not going to because Tyreek Hill can maybe
(32:08):
maybe steal that now Auto Bolden said, it won't be pretty,
but that's sixty meters. If I'm Tyreek Hill, I do
forty I do forty yards, and I wouldn't be surprised
if he would win forty yards. He not going to
win much more distance, you know than that, but I
and it's going to be close too. Like you don't
want it to be where it's not a photo finish
(32:31):
that Tyreek Hill wants to say, Hey, I can run
with you. But it's like DK Metcalf, he at least
tried to do this. Tyreek Hill was just talking right now, yes, pauling. Yeah.
Speaker 10 (32:40):
If I'm Tyreek Hill, I try every move to try
to get it on my playing field.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
Like No Allows. You got a hold of football.
Speaker 10 (32:47):
When you're running, all of a sudden, you gotta get
up and you gotta just start running with a football
on your right hand.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
Anything. If I'm No Allows, you want to challenge me,
then you know, if you're coming at me, you got
to run my race, and that's one hundred meters. I
wouldn't do anything less. I would do one hundred meters
and I would say, you want to challenge me the
fastest man in the world. We're going one hundred meters.
We'll take a break when we come back. Who will
be the Worst Team in the NFL will play the
(33:13):
Who will Be the Worst Team in the NFL game
right after this.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan
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Speaker 2 (33:27):
It's time now to play who will be the worst
team in the NFL game? All right? Who would like
to go first? Who feels really strong about it? Oh?
Todd's got the left paw up?
Speaker 13 (33:38):
Oh we do?
Speaker 2 (33:39):
Okay. The worst team in the NFL this year will
be the.
Speaker 12 (33:43):
New York Giants. I think there's gonna be a more
regression from Daniel Jones. They lost Saquan and I just
got a bad feeling about the Giants.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
Okay, Seaton O'Connor. The worst team in the NFL will
be Giants are a good guess.
Speaker 11 (33:57):
I like that one. I'm going to say the New
England Patriots. Okay, I think you got a new head coach,
you got a new quarterback. Even their good players are
now forcing their way out. It looks like an ugly situation.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
All right, Marvin. Worst team in the NFL will be.
Speaker 13 (34:15):
The Carolina Panthers. Yeah, schedules not looking too good for them.
They still got bad ownership, bad team. Three wins tops.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
Three wins times Okay, Paulie. The worst team in the
NFL will be Cowboys. Eagles and Commanders are competitive. The
New York Giants are going the wrong direction clean up
on asle five, They're gonna be the worst. I think
the Giants might surprise you that they'll be a little
bit better. They are going to have a really good defense.
(34:47):
It comes down to Daniel Jones. Can he play at
a respectable level? Now? Commanders are going to be better.
I don't know what Dallas is going to be. Philadelphia
I think will be a good team. I mean there's
red flags. It feels like with the Eagles and certainly
with the Cowboys. The Commanders might be one of those
(35:09):
underdog stories and maybe surprising some people. I think the
worst team will be Carolina. I just don't know if
they have the infrastructure there that they put a good
team out there. Bryce Young is still going to be undermanned, outmanned.
I think in just about every there'll be an underdog.
(35:31):
I'm going to guess in every game. We should check
with Vegas or DraftKings. How many teams will be are
listed as underdogs the entire season. Do you see the
Patriots being favored in a game this year? Carolina being
favored in a game this year? Those to me are
that it feels like the two worst teams. I don't
(35:51):
know why I'm a little more bullish on the Giants
than I should be, but I think they have a
little bit more talent than what people Carolina doesn't have,
you know, top end talent. Could anybody on Carolina start
for the Giants? It's a random thought. I'm not sure
there probably are, but yes, boy.
Speaker 10 (36:12):
I'm looking at the biggest line from DraftKings. On Week one,
the Bengals are given nine to the Patriots. Bengals are
at home. There's no other line bigger than five and
a half points.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
Okay, I mean that's not a lot if you're the
you know, the Bengals to me are a playoff team,
maybe outside super Bowl contender. Again, Patriots, we know are
just playing bad. But there's going to be two teams
that really surprise in a way that you go, wow,
we didn't see them being that good. And there'll be
(36:43):
two teams where you go, wow, what happened? Every year?
At least you know you have that there'll be a
couple of surprises there. Doug in North Carolina, Hi, Doug,
what's on your mind today?
Speaker 5 (36:56):
Well, then a moment ago you said, is there any
sports movie that still needs to be made? And I
got to tell you. About six months ago, I sat
home and I stumbled upon a YouTube video. Somebody had
uploaded a nineteen eighty one Thanksgiving game of the Detroit Lions,
and I'm a huge Lions fan, so I said, I'll
put it on his background music. As as I'm watching this,
(37:17):
the announcers are going off about how this is going
to be a battle of the two best young running backs.
Onalte was Billy Sims, who I remember as a kid.
The other I had never heard of, so I started
googling his name, and I'm like, why is this guy's
life not a movie. It's Joe Delating of the Kansas
City Chiefs, who died I think after his rookie year,
jumping into a pond in Louisiana, trying to save three
(37:37):
kids who were drowning. He couldn't swim. He ended up
drowning himself, but did manage to save one of the kids.
I think it's a major motion picture movie. This guy's
name should be a household word.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
Yeah, it's certainly an interesting story. I remember at the time,
I'm like, wait a minute, how did he drown? He jumped,
he couldn't swim, but still tried to save peace and
he was a very good runner. Talented runner. Nobah Lyles,
fastest man in the world has set their joint is
coming up tomorrow. Let me see anything final results of
(38:12):
the poll question Seaton.
Speaker 11 (38:14):
Yeah, we got a few of them working here today. Uh,
let's see we put up there for the third hour.
Or let's see we had If I had to choose
one to make the Pro Bowl Right now, Caleb Williams
is running away with that one, followed by Jaden Daniels.
Which coaching style works best right now? Support and encouragement.
Speaker 2 (38:32):
That's nice.
Speaker 11 (38:32):
I'm really happy with our audience. Well done, lads.
Speaker 2 (38:37):
I think what happens is it used to be that
managers and coaches just yelled. They but now you're yelling
if are you giving me the best effort? You're gonna
make mistakes. Everybody makes mistakes. It's how does your coach
or manager handle the mistakes you made as opposed to
(38:57):
you're not hustling. There's no effort there. And I would
think that today's coach would probably have more of an
issue with how much effort you're showing as opposed to,
all right, you made a mistake and the ball went
through your legs. Or you know, you swung and miss
on a pitch that was outside the strike. Soone, it's
more of the do you really care? And I think
(39:19):
that's where it probably bothers coaches nowadays. This day in
sports history for you, Paully, what do you have?
Speaker 10 (39:24):
A couple of good ones? Nineteen twenty, reps of four
professional football teams met in Campton, Ohio. The meetings led
to the founding of the American Professional Football Association. Two
years later, they said that name stinks and became the NFL.
Nineteen forty five, Tommy Brown and the Brooklyn Dodgers became
the youngest player that hit a home run in a
Major League game. He was seventeen years old. He started
a year earlier at age sixteen, made his debut with
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the Dodgers at age sixteen.
Speaker 2 (39:48):
He is still alive at age ninety six. Wow. I
looked him up, still alive, Tommy Brown. I always thought
the Joe Knuxaw story he was fifteen years of age
pitching in the major leagues during World War Two, because
he had a lot of players obviously who were drafted.
But Joe Nuxall was fifteen and he pitched at you know,
(40:13):
in the major leagues. That to me is kind of interesting.
I did have a friend just point out that I
mentioned the Social Network and Moneyball. Aaron Sorkin wrote both
of those, So maybe there's something to be said. When
Aaron Sorkin, he gets the typewriter out, he can make
just about anything sound great. Except for the show's Sports Night.
(40:35):
He didn't do a good job on the show that's
supposed to be based on me, and Keith Oberman at
Sports Center didn't quite capture the tone there. Yes, Marvin, what.
Speaker 13 (40:46):
About Jim Valvana as far as the movie.
Speaker 2 (40:52):
I inquired about that, and I was told by somebody
that family probably didn't want want some of the negativity
that was attached to Jim with recruiting some other things.
You know, great story that he won the title, what
happened at the SP's, You know, there's a lot of
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great and he was so much fun to be around.
But I was told that somebody who was in touch
with the family, they were concerned it might not be
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