October 2, 2024 • 46 mins
Senior NFL reporter Albert Breer joined the show today to discuss possible landing spots for Las Vegas Raiders star receiver Davante Adams, and Peter King stopped by in studio to break down Bill Belichick's coaching future as well as his life in retirement.
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Peter King will join us.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Coming up a little bit later on in studio the
Monday Morning quarterback Albert Breer on the big story that
is Davante Adams prefers a trade. We'll talk to Peter
and Albert Breer about that, because right now, Davante Adams,
now you say he prefers a trade, he didn't demand
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a trade. Now, maybe it's semantics. It's a very nice
way of saying, I'd like to get out of here.
I don't know why he stayed in the first place.
When they traded Derek Carr. He went there to play
with Derek Carr's former college teammate. Don't you think that
he looked around and he sees the quarterback room and
goes mm aiden, who Gardner? Huh, this is the guy
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who played with Aaron Rodgers and Derek Carr. Now, all
of a sudden, you look around, you're not going anywhere.
You didn't get a quarterback in the draft. I was
surprised that he started the season with the Raiders because
I thought he would say, look, let's just see what
you can get for me. Let me go someplace else.
We're not going to be competing this year. Now we
(01:47):
have a situation where the trade deadline, I believe is
November fifth. He has a hamstring injury. Well you can't
really say does he have one or maybe it's just convene.
Maybe he doesn't want to play anymore and it's a
hamstring and it's day to day. Because this has to
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be awkward. And then there was a post about him
preferring a trade that his head coach Antonio Peers, on
social media liked. I'm guessing it was accidental. I don't
like stories. I've never done that before. I don't know
how you do it accidentally. Hey, there's this story there. Oh,
(02:29):
I just.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
Hit liked there. Yes, TuS talk about passive aggressive. I
love that I can speak to that day Calick.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
But I'm sure that the Jets situation will come up.
I think it's mandatory that any analyst who's on ESPN
or Fox has to say the Dallas Cowboys would be
interested in Devonte Adams. I'm waiting for somebody to say,
and don't rule out the Lakers, I mean, might we
might as well get them all in there, Bronnie, Lebron
(02:59):
and DeVante with the Lakers.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
Wait, he plays football. I don't care.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
We're gonna he could go to the Lakers there, okay,
and we're gonna play the Where will Devonte Adams end up?
So you have the Jets, the Cowboys are in there.
I guess the Buffalo Bills, the Baltimore Ravens, the Washington Commanders,
the Pittsburgh Steelers, and a dark horse, the Kansas City Chiefs.
(03:24):
I can't imagine the Raiders trading a great player in
the division to the Kansas City Chiefs. As far as
the Cowboys go, I like that they'd have money for
DeVante Adams, but they didn't have money for Derrick Henry. Okay,
but it's the Cowboys, and after you know they had
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a couple of ugly losses here. You know their problem
is not offense. Their problem is defense defensive line here.
But if you can somehow work in the Cowboys. Sure,
you know the Cowboys had twenty points against New York,
but having a number two option to seed Lamb. All right,
(04:07):
that I get it. But I think the Ravens are
sneaky interesting just because go all in. I mean, you
got a chance. That's where you see these teams. If
I'm the Jets, I got I have to get him.
I have to get him. I mean, what's the downside?
You got Rogers to win? Now, your offense has not
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been good at all all in Now, I don't know
what it cost you. I've read a couple of reports.
Maybe a second round pick for Davante Adams. Then you've
got to pick up his salary. I'm sure you'll get
some capologists who can help you with that. But that
to me makes the most sense. But we'll play the
where will Davante Adams end up? Coming up in a
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little bit. By the way, DeVante Adams was with k
Adams no relation and it's starting. Oh okay, up in
Adams with k Adams And here's her question to Devonte Adams,
how much does it.
Speaker 5 (05:03):
Bother you when you keep hearing these trade things?
Speaker 3 (05:05):
Because I would I would be paranoid. It gets annoying
for sure.
Speaker 6 (05:08):
You know, I'm one of those players that people like
to talk about one way or the other. So if
I was the type of guy that, you know, let
certain things that people say on the outside gets me,
then you know I wouldn't be in a position that
I am.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
Now.
Speaker 6 (05:20):
I've had some ups and downs in the league, and
through it all, I just try to stay like this
and you know, do my part in that.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
So whatever else happens when people are talking about, when
people are.
Speaker 6 (05:29):
Tweeting, liking, you know, whatever it is, you know, I
can't do anything about that.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Well, I think he was trying to do something about it.
He is doing something about it if you are reportedly
preferring to be traded by the Raiders. And then there
was a report that last year he had gone to
them or started the camp that you know, maybe it's
time to move on. I don't know how old Max
Crosby is, probably late twenties.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
What is he, PAULI twenty seven.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Okay, if you're Max Crosby and all of a sudden
you go, wait, Davante wants out. I think that if
I'm Max Crosby, I would say that I prefer to
be traded as well.
Speaker 7 (06:10):
I like the tone of that, like you know, you know,
I like to be not so much here but elsewhere.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
Yeah. I'm not demanding any No, I just you know what,
you know, what I'd like to be instead of here?
How about there? Prefer I'm just saying, yeah, prefer all right, Todd,
you're doing the UH poll question honors today.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
I am right in the wheehouse of what we're talking about.
First hour, Paul, Which team will Devantie Adams be traded
to Bill's Chiefs, Commanders, Jets, Ravens, Steelers, and our favorite other?
Speaker 3 (06:39):
Well, just put the Cowboys on there. Yeah, you gotta
have the Cowboys.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Yeah, because you're going to get clicks if you have
the cowboys on here. Of course the Cowboys would want him.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
Yes.
Speaker 7 (06:52):
A lot of the people are saying it's about caproom.
There's some teams that have the cap room and some
teams that don't. Some teams that do not not attractive
places like the Patriots or you know, but teams that
have camproom. The forty nine ers surprisingly of cap space
because of the brock Party situation. Oh, the Browns, the Patriots, Lions, Commanders, Cowboys, Cardinals, Jets.
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That's the top eight in cap space right now like
this season.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Well, I would say if I'm the Lions, now, sometimes
you get somebody to keep that guy from going to
someplace else. So this might be a proactive move that, hey,
let's get him so he doesn't end up with San Francisco.
Or if you're the Jets, you don't want him going
to Kansas City. Now, you do want him on your team,
but you also want to make sure that somebody else
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doesn't get better because the move you're going to make
is to win a Super Bowl. It's not going to
be hey, you know, we're Carolina, we're rebuilding that. Yes
you are, but DeVante Adams isn't going to want to
go there.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
He'd prefer not to go there.
Speaker 4 (07:57):
Yes, Marvin, And when Davante made that trade request, they say, hey,
what about Cleveland, Well not there.
Speaker 8 (08:03):
I prefer not to go there.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
I'll stay here. But the Browns need him real bad yeah,
they do need him.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
But if I'm Davante Adams, I probably go, eh, you know,
I helped you beat the Ravens. Now, I'll join you
and let's beat everybody else here Kansas City.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
Imagine that walk into that.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
I just don't know if the Raiders would be willing
to trade in the division to the Chiefs, I wouldn't be.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
I couldn't if I'm Mark Davis.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
There's no way I could watch the Super Bowl and
all of a sudden, Davante Adams is out there and
you're going, we just gave them another super Bowl.
Speaker 7 (08:40):
Yes, Paulmy I wonder I was reading today some people
in New York are speculating Aaron Rodgers could, you know,
volunteer to restructure again. He still gets all his money,
but he just defers it, you know, Shoho Tani style.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
Well you got Garrett Wilson there too, but he's been limited.
Alan Lazard is limited. But if I'm Aaron Rodgers, I'm tampering.
Oh yeah, yeah, I I am. Whatever it takes. I'd
tell him if if you could find maybe a phone booth,
(09:15):
I'm gonna call it.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
I don't think they have phone booths anymore, do they.
Speaker 7 (09:18):
You see them occasionally, like by the subways, but not
too much in New.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
York, like a true phone booth, or the ones that
are just like a well, I mean the box style, yeah, checking.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Yeah, I don't I remember using that before in Times Square,
and it's not a good thing to put that up
to your ear and your mouth when you're in Times Square.
You you have no idea what has happened in Times Square,
but you could pretty much guess what could have happened.
Speaker 7 (09:44):
Yes, Paul, there are no more freestanding public payphones in
New York City. There are four full they call them
superman booths, the ones that you open the doors. They
are freestanding and in New York, but their phones are
not in service. The people who own the property just
said you could leave him outside there. There's one outside
of bar in New York City, but people take pictures
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in it like it's a novelty.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
Oh okay, the phone doesn't work.
Speaker 8 (10:07):
Yes, did you have a prank one of those phone boots?
Speaker 4 (10:10):
I remember looking at my window in a couple of
blocks away, you can see, like the phone books, and
you get the number, and you called the number, and
you wait to see if someone's gonna pick it up.
Speaker 8 (10:17):
That was a fun time.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
Wow, you in college must have been a blast. You
you're crazy, little kid.
Speaker 4 (10:22):
And were you calling to see if someone's going to
enter the payphone because you have the number four?
Speaker 3 (10:26):
Did you ever say is your refrigerator running? Yes?
Speaker 2 (10:28):
It is way you better go catch it, all right?
Did you have Prince Albert n Cairn? Yes, we'll let
him out.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
Not a lot to do when you're nine once the
littleague games, I would say, your prank the phone.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
I think you were probably a little older than nine.
Speaker 8 (10:41):
Might have been seventeen.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
Yes, he wasn't busy calling girls?
Speaker 8 (10:43):
Yes, memorizing the periodic table beyond?
Speaker 4 (10:46):
Yes, Marvin, Relax, guys, and you guys said he didn't
do any damage.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
Come on, man, you were wild back then with mommy,
why are answering the payphone?
Speaker 9 (10:54):
Hang up the phone?
Speaker 8 (10:54):
Why did you pick it up?
Speaker 3 (10:55):
Mommy? Mommy?
Speaker 8 (10:58):
Yeah, bringing us cookies?
Speaker 3 (10:59):
Todd Are you on the phone calling the phone booth?
Speaker 9 (11:03):
Yes, mommy, I'm a sophomore. NYU close the door.
Speaker 8 (11:06):
We don't want any more cupcakes.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
Leave? Oh you wanted cupcakes?
Speaker 6 (11:11):
All right?
Speaker 2 (11:14):
Play of the Day will be coming up. Any other
poll questions there.
Speaker 8 (11:19):
We have a couple of baseball ones. Want to hear those?
I guess you're asked us so much interesting?
Speaker 3 (11:24):
How about we save those baseball poll questions.
Speaker 8 (11:27):
We have two fun baseball ones.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
You do, yes, yes, you know.
Speaker 7 (11:30):
I love about the first day of the playoffs, you
discover players you either forgot about or you didn't know
were with the team. Michael King, the pitcher for the
Padres yesterday, I was like, who is this guy? To
watch a lot of Padre baseball? He was?
Speaker 3 (11:42):
He used to bounce around on the Yankees. He's dominant
out of nowhere.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
At twelve strikeouts in seven innings, that's the second most
in a playoff game in Podre's history. Kevin Brown struck
out sixteen in nineteen ninety eight against the Astros. Stead
of good days, sad day, best, stead of the day,
stat of the day?
Speaker 8 (12:04):
Here comes that?
Speaker 3 (12:06):
What stat of the day.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
Since baseball went to the current postseason format a couple
of years ago, Game one winners have won all eight
of the opening round series.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
Only one of the eight went to a third game.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Interesting numbers there with the best of three in these
opening round matchups.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
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Speaker 2 (12:42):
He's Albert Brier, the Monday Morning Quarterback senior NFL reporter.
You have a situation with DeVante Adams. He is preferring
a trade, not demanding a trade. What's the difference between
preferring a trade but not demanding a trade?
Speaker 5 (13:00):
It's better pr right Like, It's like somebody saying somebody
applied the franchise tag versus being slapped with the franchise tag,
right like, so it still a little friendlier, you know,
I I I think part of it probably Dan is
you know, Davante maybe being a little bit sensitive to
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the idea that he'd be a malecontent because I do
think like he likes Antonio Pierce and you know, I
think and you know, a nuance.
Speaker 9 (13:32):
This is what like went.
Speaker 5 (13:34):
On there last year, you know, and like how there
were a small group of veteran players that you know,
really played a role in getting ap that job in
the first place. And you know, ironically enough, like if
if Davanta Adams has traded, two of the three would
be gone, because the three guys were really Max Crosby,
Josh Jacobs and and DeVante Adams, you know, and so
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now you know Jacobs was in Green Bay and Adams
would both be gone. So I think that's part of
the reason why is because you know Adams. I don't
think does I don't think Adams wants to disrespect Antonio Pierce.
But at the same time, his contract sets up in
a way where it's pretty clear he's not going to
be there next year. And you know, as a guy
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is turning thirty two in December, I'm sure wanting to
play for a contender right now and have a chance
to go compete for a Super Bowl is a big
priority of his.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
Okay, what's he worth? What's it going to cost? In
ye turn?
Speaker 2 (14:31):
And do you do you have a list of teams
pecking order where.
Speaker 9 (14:37):
You I think the obvious ones are the ones that
he's got.
Speaker 5 (14:40):
You know, he's got connections too, So the Jets, you know,
obviously played all those years with Aaron Rodgers, the Saints,
he has the relationship with Derek Carr, playing in college
with him. Derek Carr is a huge reason what he
wanted to be in Vegas to begin with. So you know,
you start with those two teams. We're sure the obvious
connect the Dot Team. Those teams actually also have guys
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as number one receivers and Garrett Wilson and Chris Olave
that I think could take the pressure off of them
as an older player, you know just In you know,
it's sort of coverage he's seeing and everything else.
Speaker 9 (15:15):
So those are be the.
Speaker 5 (15:16):
Teams I start with us for his value, I don't
think they're going to get like a Brandon Ayuk type
of package. The reality is Ayuk is twenty six, Adams
is thirty two. So I think the more reasonable comps
for for for an Adams trade would be.
Speaker 9 (15:33):
Keenan Allen and Stefan Diggs.
Speaker 5 (15:36):
And if you really dig into what those trades were
and and you both those guys that are production last
year was actually a little bit better than Devonte Adams.
Now those guys have better quarterbacks, you know, Diggs had
Josh Allen and Keenan Allen had, you had had Justin Herbert.
But those guys had similar production, had had better production,
slightly better but better production last year.
Speaker 9 (15:58):
Adam.
Speaker 5 (15:58):
You know, Adams or Alan went up wound up getting
traded from the Chargers to the Bears for a fourth
round pick. Diggs got traded from Buffalo to the Texans
for a future second round pick, So a second round
pick that was a year out, and fifth and sixth
round picks went to Houston with.
Speaker 9 (16:18):
Digs, so there was a give back there.
Speaker 5 (16:19):
So that's roughly the value of a third rounder. So
I think that's what you're looking at here, probably a
three or a four. My guess is that Vegas probably
wouldn't move DeVante Adams for a four.
Speaker 9 (16:31):
I think some.
Speaker 5 (16:32):
Teams will try to go fishing and see if a
four would do it. Ultimately, I think a three is
probably what winds up being the price.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
Yeah, I was told to two, but that might be
a two. That's what Vegas wants, But that doesn't mean
that's what Vegas is going.
Speaker 5 (16:45):
That's what I'm saying, Yeah, I mean what Vegas wants
Vegas is actually going to ask for is obviously going
to ask for a little bit more, I'd be. I mean,
I think the value, probably most teams would tell you
is a three or a four.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
But then what does Max Cronsby do? Does he prefer
a trade after Davante trade?
Speaker 9 (17:07):
You know? Like, I think it's certainly a question.
Speaker 6 (17:09):
You know, I.
Speaker 5 (17:11):
Don't think the Raiders as competitive as they've been in
Antonio Pierce deserves a lot of credit for this.
Speaker 9 (17:16):
There aren't very many spots in their rosters that that that.
Speaker 5 (17:20):
Don't qualify as need positions, right like, So this is
a very real ground up rebuild for Tom Tolasco and
Antonio Pierce. They are not close, but I think they
are walking this tightrope of we know we need to
rebuild the roster, but we also need to provide the
new coaching staff some proof of concept and not make
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it look like we're taking this thing down to the studs. So,
you know, I think with Crosby, it sort of rides
a little bit more.
Speaker 9 (17:48):
On where are you on Halloween?
Speaker 5 (17:51):
Right when you're you know whatever, it is a week,
two weeks out from the trade deadline, What does your
record look like? Are you still in the race. If
you're still competing for a playoff spot, then I think
you keep mac Max Crosby, you know, and I think
you do it almost regardless of what he wants.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
But if that's the case, then are you keeping DeVante
Adams as well that you're in the playoff?
Speaker 5 (18:16):
No, because I think I think at this point, like
Davante Adams is DeVante Adams isn't a building block for
you going forward to Crosby.
Speaker 9 (18:21):
I have to look up his.
Speaker 5 (18:24):
Twenty Okay, So like Crosby, like, let's say, if you're
if you're Telasco and and Pierce. Right now you say, realistically, realistically,
we can build this into a contender, a real contender
in twenty twenty six.
Speaker 9 (18:39):
How much does Adams have left in twenty twenty six?
Speaker 3 (18:44):
Not much?
Speaker 9 (18:45):
How much does Crosby have left?
Speaker 3 (18:47):
Yeah, hold a lot? Yeah right, yeah, probably.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
Still a really good But if you're the Raiders, don't
you try to trade Adams?
Speaker 3 (18:55):
Like now, like immediate are.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
You gonna are you going to go all the way
up to the deadline, because yeah, I'm going to.
Speaker 9 (19:02):
Drag this out.
Speaker 5 (19:03):
No, I do not think you want to drag this
out where you get into the you know, phantom injury.
Speaker 9 (19:09):
Thing, you know what I mean? Like you just might
have that what are you dealing with this week? Was that?
Speaker 5 (19:14):
I'm not saying that, but like I don't think you
want to deal with that on a week to week basis.
I don't think that that winds up being something that
is good for your locker room. It's good for your program.
So I'm with you on that, Like I don't I
don't think you're going to get markedly more for Davante
Adams a month from now than you would now now.
I mean, like, could you get a little bit more
because some team gets into an emergency injury situation. That's
(19:36):
certainly possible, you know, But I do think, like you
look at this and you say, it'd be better if
we just get a resolution on this now and then
we get a real view of where our team is
over the next few weeks without Davante Adams as part
of the equation, and then you know, we make decisions
on guys like Max Crosby and others on the roster
that maybe we can get some value back for.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
He's Albert Brier Monday Morning Quarterback. Last time you're on.
You floated out there. Bill Belichick and the Jags. The
Jags continue to go in the wrong direction here.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
Do you think Bill Belichick has his staff.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
In mind that he would he plug and play with
something like this, or or would he want to wait
and give me the entire offseason, not come in right
away and be judged on somebody else's team.
Speaker 5 (20:28):
I mean, like, I don't think he's coming in right away. Like,
if that's what you're asking, when was the lost time
that happened?
Speaker 2 (20:34):
Well, if they if they continue to lose, right, are
they going to make it? So you think this owner
would give Doug Peterson the rest of the season.
Speaker 9 (20:42):
No, I'm not saying that. I'm not saying that.
Speaker 5 (20:44):
Like I I look like I look at it like
they're they got a.
Speaker 9 (20:49):
Division game this week.
Speaker 5 (20:50):
If they lose Indianapolis, they go to London in h
to five. If they go to London in h and five,
that's an embarrassing thing for a billionaire. Billionaires don't like being.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
In and that's his that's hiss.
Speaker 5 (21:01):
And then yeah, and then you're going to a place
where he owns a soccer team, he owns Fulham and
he's invested a lot in making the Jaguars a factor
in that city. They're going there own five, then they've
wind up coming back on seven. I think all that's
are off, you know, because that would mean they'd have
vot to the Bears and Patriots, all due respect, that's
not losing to the Chiefs and Niners.
Speaker 9 (21:19):
You know, So like I don't know.
Speaker 5 (21:22):
Like I I think, you know, I like, I think
there's a possibility that that that this could be a
mid season thing. I wouldn't rule that out, but I
just don't know how you go about, you know, bringing
in a new head coach in mid season, if that's
what you're asking, you know, you know, I think they would.
I think they would, you know, pick whoever on the
staff and make Ryan Nielson the defensive coordinator and make
(21:44):
them the interim coach. And then you know, if you
wanted to get a head start, you maybe start working
in the background with someone like Bill you know what
I mean, Like on that now, could you go and
get a new general manager? That I think is possible
like that. We've seen that that. I believe it was
the Browns that did that with John Dorsey years ago,
(22:05):
right like at the end of maybe at the end
of the Hugh Jackson. Now, yeah, it was while Hugh
Jackson was the coach when they brought Dorsey in in December.
And there are a number of guys that Belichick has
worked with, you know, Scott Pioli, John Robinson, Thomas de
mittrof that are out there that don't have that that
that don't that aren't working for NFL teams right now
(22:26):
that you might be able to to to install as
your general manager if you were going to make major
changes in mid season. That's aid to answer to the
other part of your question, Like, I think Bill has
a real good idea of who you have on his staff.
Like I think that there would be bringing the band
back together element to all of this, Like I I
think Josh McDaniels would be part of the equation, Matt Patricia,
(22:47):
Joe Judge, Like I think there'd be a lot of
familiar names as part of the next staff wherever Bill lands.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
You think Christian McCaffrey plays this season, I.
Speaker 9 (22:57):
Do, I, you know, I.
Speaker 5 (22:59):
I I think that this is I mean you and
I both know this, right, Like you've been around sports
longer than me. But I know well enough to know
when an athlete goes over to Germany, it's not for evaluation,
it's for treatment, right, So you know I I I I.
Speaker 9 (23:17):
Sort of it.
Speaker 5 (23:20):
The thing the thing that reminds me of the most
is Andrew Locke. You know, like when Andrew Locke just
could not get in front of the injuries that he
had and kind of kept trying to find different solutions
and it just kind of became too much for him.
Speaker 10 (23:35):
Now.
Speaker 5 (23:35):
I'm not saying that McCaffrey is going to become lock here,
you know, but it's certainly concerning, you know, like that
that he just can't seem to get in front of
this right now.
Speaker 9 (23:46):
So I think they find a way.
Speaker 5 (23:49):
I think that that that that a lot of this
is uncertain at this.
Speaker 9 (23:52):
Point, you know, and and and how he feels.
Speaker 5 (23:56):
What I do know is I I think they're going
to find a way to get him on the field
because I think McAffrey is determined to get back on
the field. I would never doubt that guy's drive, like
in his his will, and I think he's gonna want
to find a way to get back out there. Finding
the most judicious way to do that is the question.
And that's how that started in.
Speaker 9 (24:16):
The first place.
Speaker 5 (24:17):
Dan, Like I I think, you know, their feeling coming
out of out of week one, Week two is like okay, like, well,
if this is the NFC Championship game, he could have played, right,
but this is lingered to the point where it's you know,
now you're taking trips to.
Speaker 9 (24:29):
Germany and everything else. I think there's a real level.
Speaker 5 (24:33):
Of determination on McCaffrey's part to be a part of
the niners like drive for Super Bowl this year. And
you know, I think the fact that this could be
the one of the final shots that this particular group
of players has at it together is a motivator too.
So I think he finds a way out there. The
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question is what forum, and you know what sort of
condition he's going to be in when he gets out there,
And I'm not sure even he knows that until he
actually goes out there and tests how the treatment worked
on the practice field.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
The two tongue of ilo situation.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
Not many guys go in concussion protocol and end up
on the IR, but not many players have suffered the
concussions that too a Hat does to a play for
the Dolphins this season.
Speaker 5 (25:21):
Yes, and I say that like everybody else, you know,
waiting to see what comes of everything that he's done
and is doing with specialists. So I don't want to
put it on him that I'm guaranteeing anything, but I
I would say like that there are zero people I've
talked to around Toua that think that he is even
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considering retiring or wanting to shut it down. And I
think the dolphins own actions here would tell you that
they're giving him every chance. I think the act of
putting them on an injured reserve was very, very smart
by the Dolphins, and I think the idea there was
to take the pressure off of everybody doing that. Sidelining
him for four games took the pressure off the coaches,
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took the pressure off of too himself, took the pressure
off the trainers, took the pressure off the doctor. Took
the pressure off of everybody so he could make a
coherent decision on his future. I think he badly wants
to play again, and I think it's easy for the
rest of us to play mom and dad out there
and say I would never let my kid go back
out there. And it was pointing for me listening to
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like Tony Gonzalez's commentary right after the game and saying,
if that was my son, I wouldn't let him play.
I think we all feel that way. If that was
our son, if that was our brother, if that was
our dad, if that was our uncle, we wouldn't want
him going out there, right. But this is Toua's decision,
you know. And I think the psychology of the pro
athlete is an interesting one, because you know, you have
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something that you're so elite at that somebody's willing to
pay you millions for it, and it's been part of
your identity since you were a little kid.
Speaker 9 (26:56):
And invariably for all.
Speaker 5 (26:57):
These guys, at some point in their twenties or three already,
somebody's going to tap them on the shoulder and tell
them that they cannot do that anymore.
Speaker 9 (27:04):
And they still have more than half of their life
to live, right.
Speaker 5 (27:07):
It's a really it's an interesting psychological thing there, and
you know, Tua now being in that position in his
mid twenties has a tough spot to be in for
a player. And you know, so I can understand both
sides of it. You know, I think like the rest
of us look at it and say, we would never
let it. We would never want our brother or our son,
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or our again, our dad or our uncle wanting going
back out there after what two has been through. But
the psychology of a pro athlete is very different than that.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
Yeah, because if Tony Gonzalez was the player, Tony Gonzalez
would go out there and play exactly now he's saying,
you know, fifteen years, which.
Speaker 9 (27:45):
Is totally understandable too.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
Right, Yeah, I get it, I get it. But the
mentality of the player is going to continue to play.
Speaker 5 (27:52):
Yeah, and I think it was really interesting too. Just
one last thing on that, what Mike McDaniel's comment where
he said, like you're the quarterback of your family, right
like that Ultimately is who he has to answer to.
Speaker 9 (28:04):
Two.
Speaker 5 (28:04):
It doesn't have to answer to the Dolphins. He doesn't
have to answer He thinks he's got to answer to
his locker room, right, which is the natural mentality the athlete,
the coaching, Steff, Ultimately the people he's got to answer
to to the people who live under the same.
Speaker 9 (28:16):
Roof as him, not us. Thank you, Albert, you got it.
Thanks Dan.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan
Patrick Show weekdays at nine am Eastern six am Pacific
on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio WAPP.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
He's Peter King, NFL analyst for Sirius XM, the Let's
Go Podcast with Tom Brady, Bill Belichick, Max Crosby and
Jim Gray, and covered the NFL for more than four decades. Pete,
good to see you. As soon as I see Pete,
he says, Hey, forty five years today, and I go
forty five and he goes Chris Berman.
Speaker 10 (28:53):
Forty Firman forty fifth year, forty five year anniversary. I
just saw it on social media on the way up
here to that.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
Dang. Yeah, forty five years, forty five years at the Mothership,
So that must mean nineteen seventy.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
Nine he was there, yeah, when it started seventy yeah,
him and Bob Lee and tom Me's Yeah, and I
think they had a trailer there was no building. I
mean the fact, you know, everybody wanted to work at
ESPN when it became cool. Yeah, but those who were
the pioneers who started a place when it wasn't cool,
nobody knew if it would last. They thought it might
(29:29):
be a local Connecticut sports channel.
Speaker 8 (29:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
But for Bob and Chris and the late tom Mes
to take a chance with something like that, And that's
why I've said, all along, build a statue there of
those three, name a building after that. I mean, remember
them because people are going to forget them, and I
don't want them to because without them, I'm not here.
(29:55):
I don't have this job. And I forever indebted that
they were doing it when they I didn't even know
who was watching. So happy anniversary to Chris Burm All right,
what do you miss most? How are you when you
watch a football game? Watching it differently?
Speaker 3 (30:11):
I mean I.
Speaker 10 (30:13):
Watch it with I watched the Sunday Night game the
first half of a glass of wine in my hand
and having just finished pizza. No, I watch it for
total entertainment, now for yus, for fun. And I used
to watch it like if I had an idea that
(30:33):
I was going to write a column about Joe Burrow,
I would have the Bengals game on and I would
watch every moment of Joe Burrow. And now I just
watch the game. I do watch it a little bit differently.
I just watch it for fun. I put on red Zone.
Scott Hansen is my guru, and for six or seven hours,
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that's what I do. The difference in my life now, Dan,
is that, except for the first week where I watched
all of the Sunday Night game, I am in bed
no later than halftime. And one week I was in
bed about a quarter nine on Sunday night because I
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just that was the one thing about my life that
I really didn't like. When you're a kid, you can
stay up until four o'clock in the morning one day
and then so it's a rough next day, but then
you're fine the day after. But you do that when
you're sixty six, sixty seven years old, and your life
sucks until Wednesday. And so I just didn't want to
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do that anymore.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
But how much did your brother's health. Yeah, like you
start to have mortality, you know, when somebody around you
passes way.
Speaker 10 (31:49):
I mean all my father and my two brothers were
all dead before the age of sixty five. And you know,
I'm sixty seven now, and I'm not going to be
dead anytime.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
Well, shoot, that's a dumb thing.
Speaker 10 (32:02):
So but I don't I'm trying to take care of
myself and all that stuff.
Speaker 3 (32:07):
But my whole.
Speaker 10 (32:08):
Point is it's harder to do that when you're always
tired and when you're beat up, even if you're working out,
and I was working out three four days a week,
but after a while, it just really starts to get
to You.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
Give me the team, the story that you would love
to do a deep dive on this year right now.
Speaker 10 (32:26):
I would really love to do Dan Quinn the Commandos Commanders.
I really wish they'd just be Washington football team.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
Yeah, I love that.
Speaker 10 (32:37):
It was the greatest thing football team that would really
be fun. I've never met Jayden Daniels, I don't know
much about him, but wow, is he impressive. But the
other team I would love to be around a lot
is Kansas City because look, if Kansas City somehow finds
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a way this year, they're the Beatles. You know, they're
gonna be Mahomes as John Lennon, Andy Reid is a
portly Paul McCartney, and you know they are going to
be the biggest thing in sports because obviously in the
Super Bowl era and not since Green Bay sixty years ago,
or there's somebody win three titles in a row, and
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so that to me, I'm totally fascinated. And you know, Dan,
I think we are going to look back on this
era of football and we're going to say, Okay, the
first twenty years of this century were owned by Brady.
The next twenty years are going to be owned by Mahomes.
And one of the biggest reasons is not just talent
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and all that stuff, but he has the will. And
I tell this story last year in Frankfurt, when I
was covering the game for NBC, they played Miami and
they're playing crappy on offense, and after the game, I
interviewed Mahomes on the field for NBC and I said, man,
your offense. You won, but your offense is in trouble.
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And he goes, Oh, we're going to straighten it out.
Don't worry. We're gonna be okay. We're gonna And afterwards
I went into the locker room and I kind of
gave him a little fistbum said, thank you. You didn't
have to do that, and I appreciate you doing it.
He said, hey, no problem, he says, Peter, I want
to tell you we're going to get this offense straightened out.
Speaker 3 (34:25):
I guarantee it.
Speaker 10 (34:26):
I promise you, And he just he has the will
that a lot of people don't have, but that Tom
Brady did have.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
Speaking of Brady, you're the newest member of the Let's
Go podcast. You got Brady Belichick, Max Crosby, Jim Gray.
How do you get into word edgewise?
Speaker 10 (34:43):
Well, you know, it's all in different segments. So like
I do one segment with Jim Gray on kind of
happenings of the league, and you know, the other day
we talked a lot about Derrick Henry and then I
am part me and Jim will interview Max Crosby every week,
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and then Belichick does his own thing with Jim and
Brady's not on every week.
Speaker 3 (35:14):
He's on.
Speaker 10 (35:16):
I don't know how often he'll be on, but he's
not on every week because he's got his other life now.
But I mean, it's kind of fun just to have
fourteen minutes. You know, at NBC you've got a minute
forty and now you've got fourteen minutes.
Speaker 3 (35:31):
That's kind of fun just to be able to talk.
You know, what do you make of Belichick the media star?
Speaker 9 (35:38):
Well?
Speaker 10 (35:39):
I always knew he'd be good at this for a
very simple reason. A long time ago in the eighties,
I covered the Giants and Belichick was defensive coordinator and
he wasn't Johnny Carson, but he was incredibly insightful and enlightening,
and look, he wanted a head coaching job, so he
was going to be friendly and not friendly, but you know,
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he was going to cooperate with the writers, and in
those days, the writers were everything. And so Belichick was great.
And he's got it in him to be clever, to
be a little bit funny, and to be really really smart,
obviously about football. So I had no doubt he'd be good.
(36:23):
If Bill wants to be good at something, he's going
to be good at something. Now we just have to wait.
I mean, there's no doubt in my mind or anybody.
I would assume that somebody's gonna give him a shot
next year. But Dan, I would just say this about
next year with Bill Belichick, I want to see how
accepting he is to some new stuff in football, to analytics, to.
Speaker 3 (36:46):
Stuff that.
Speaker 10 (36:47):
I think he's always sort of viewed himself as the
smartest guy in the room, even though he wouldn't say that,
but he has viewed himself that way. And I think
there's more information than ever. I think he's got to
start taking advantage of that information.
Speaker 3 (37:04):
Is he going to be a GM too? Is he
going to have a dual title?
Speaker 10 (37:08):
I don't think he should be, because I'm not saying
nobody in his right mind would allow Bill to pick
all the groceries. But I do think that he's going
to have to have a good deal of say. But look,
had he gone to Atlanta, Arthur Blank was not going
(37:30):
to newter or fire Terry Fontineau the GM, and so
Bill was going to have to accept that. And I
think and quite honestly, Dan, he.
Speaker 3 (37:39):
Should accept it.
Speaker 10 (37:40):
He should look at his weakness over the last six
or eight years that he did the Patriots, and he
was a weak evaluator and collector of talent.
Speaker 3 (37:53):
There's no other way to put it. We're talking to
Peter King.
Speaker 2 (37:57):
He's the newest member of the Let's Go Podcast, available
every Monday at six eastern three Pacific on Serious XM
Mad Dog Radio. That's a Channel eighty two. Why is
Jerry Jones in the Hall of Fame before Robert Kraft?
Speaker 10 (38:12):
Well, first of all, Robert Kraft I firmly believe will
get in the Hall of Fame. I think Jerry Jones
got in the Hall of Fame for two reasons. Number one,
three super Bowls. Number two, the business model. Jerry Jones
gets in as a quote contributor, end quote. And I
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don't know anybody who you know if you say a
guy has won three Super Bowls. Now, whatever year he
got in, it was about ten years ago, eight, ten
years ago, whatever it was. But at the time, he
had three Super Bowls and he changed the way the
NFL did a lot of its business, and he made
the league a lot of money, and he made the
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league different so that's why. Now, if you want to
argue that Robert Kraft, I mean, first of all, I
think and I'd have to look up the year that
Jerry got in, Robert Kraft probably had either three or
four by the time Jerry got in. And look, I've
said this about Craft many times. And now I'm not
(39:21):
a voter on the committee anymore. I resigned a couple
of months ago, but I am going to be a
consultant to the committee. And I have said this for
a long time that the reason that Robert Kraft will
get in. And I'm not one of those that said, well,
of course he should be in. I mean, he probably
should be in by now, but he's going to get in.
(39:43):
And the biggest reason is because in the year two thousand,
right as the millennium began, Robert Kraft did something that
nobody wanted him to do. He hired Bill Belichick. Everybody thought,
oh my god, this anti social loser from Klee Lynd.
You know who got blown out in Cleveland. You know,
(40:03):
why would you give him another team? You know, what
what are you doing? And he went against everybody, and
of all the things he's done in the NFL, and
he's done a lot business wise, collective bargaining wise, and
all that stuff. The fact that he went against the
grain and hired Belichick, because just remember Bill Belichick, Scott Pioli,
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they're the guys who picked the players in New England
very early on. There's no reason to think that Dom
Capers and whoever would be on the personnel side, there's
no reason to think they would have picked Tom Brady
with the one hundred and ninety ninth pick into in
that year in their first draft. I mean it was,
(40:50):
it's almost if it's almost chancy anyway. But the fact
is he brings in somebody who's got the presence of
mind somehow some way to pick Tom Brady and they
live happily ever after for two decades and win six
Super Bowls.
Speaker 2 (41:07):
Is Russell Wilson playing his way out of the Super
Bowl or out of the Hall of Fame?
Speaker 3 (41:13):
I don't know.
Speaker 10 (41:14):
There's gonna be so many quarterbacks from this era who
have a good argument for the Hall of Fame, so many.
Speaker 3 (41:23):
And I don't know.
Speaker 10 (41:25):
I'm always hesitant the one guy though, Dan and I'm
hesitant on Russell Wilson. I would like to see him
do a little bit more somewhere outside of the cocoon
of Seattle, and he hasn't yet. But let's see the
one guy who this year in Detroit on that Sunday
night and then against San Francisco, I said to myself,
(41:49):
Matthew Stafford. I'm not saying it's an absolute, no doubt.
Matthew Stafford absolutely has my vote. I think he's this
generation's Dan fouts And plus he's got a Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (42:02):
Yeah, Dan Foutz didn't have one.
Speaker 10 (42:04):
I just think that Matthew Stafford and what he's done
with a team that many times has been down and
out because of injuries, he just keeps them in every
single game. And I just I think Matthew Stafford's special.
Speaker 2 (42:20):
And what I found interesting is these younger quarterbacks Caleb Williams, yeah,
CJ Stroud, and they were gushing over Matthew Stafford, Yeah,
gushing yeah. And I'm like, I mean, they grew up
on him and they're watching now. Granted he wasn't on
the big stage really other than with the Rams, but
they're seeing him and seeing what it's like to be
(42:43):
a quarterback to be able to do what he's doing.
And I found that amazing because if you're a young quarterback,
you're probably saying, maybe it's Tom Brady, maybe it's Patrick Mahomes, somebody.
They're watching Matthew Stafford when he was in Detroit, Yeah,
and gushing over him.
Speaker 3 (42:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 10 (43:00):
I mean, look, everybody's gonna say if he say, oh,
Matthew Stafford the negative people for the Hall of Fame.
To me, Matthew Stafford lifted that franchise for so many
years into at least mediocrity when they probably didn't even
deserve that. And I would I'd say one of the
saddest things I've seen is when his own wife and
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their kids can't go to the first game of the
season because they're going to get booed. I mean, you know,
sports fandom has really gone too far when something like
that happens. Bothers me.
Speaker 2 (43:36):
Well, Dan Campbell, you lose the playoff game and somebody
leaks his address and you got I mean, they should
be planting flowers, yes, at Dan Campbell's house.
Speaker 10 (43:46):
Yeah, he's fabulous, So that whole franchise. You know, last
year in training camp. I remember I've been to the
Lions over the years in training camp and there's sixteen
people there, you know, as a crowd. And last year
it was raining steadily at seven thirty in the morning
for an eight thirty practice, and there was a line
(44:08):
of people waiting to get in a long Lion. I mean,
they've changed football in Detroit. Bill Parcells always said the
one team that he thought would have been great to coach,
not that he looked back and wanted to change his life,
would be the Detroit Lions. He just had a fascination
because when Parcells was a kid, the Lions meant something.
Speaker 2 (44:28):
Yeah, and Tony Dungee said, yeah, he came close to
coaching the Lions because his dad was.
Speaker 3 (44:33):
A Lion science fan. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (44:35):
Before I let you go, your remembrances of Pete Rose
when you were in Cincinnati, do you have a favorite?
Speaker 10 (44:43):
I'm twenty three years old. I just get hired by
the Cincinnati Inquirer. The Philadelphia Phillies come to town, and my
sports editor says, go, basically, do the state of Pete Rose?
What's going on with him now? With the Phillies all that?
And I went into I just walked into the clubhouse
before a game four point thirty in the afternoon in Cincinnati,
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and I introduced myself and he goes, oh, Peter King, Hey,
you're new at the Inquirer. That's cool, love the inquired
great paper. Where are you from Enfield, Connecticut?
Speaker 3 (45:16):
Oh? How jammed up out here?
Speaker 8 (45:18):
Well?
Speaker 3 (45:18):
I went to Ohio University. Oh cool.
Speaker 10 (45:20):
He interviewed me for two minutes before I started talking
to him and Dan. Over the years, I would see
him occasion. I went to lunch with him one day
in New York when he was still managing the Reds,
just for fun.
Speaker 3 (45:33):
Because I like the guy.
Speaker 10 (45:35):
And then the last time I saw him was maybe
five six seven years ago. I was out at Fox
on the Fox lot in LA and I saw him
and he goes.
Speaker 3 (45:45):
Peter, how you doing? What are you doing here?
Speaker 8 (45:48):
You know?
Speaker 10 (45:48):
And he had the memory of an elephant, he really did.
And he could talk to anybody pretty much about anything
as long as it had to do with sports.
Speaker 2 (46:01):
And uh, if you if you didn't get a chance
to listen to Johnny Bench yesterday.
Speaker 3 (46:05):
Yeah, I gotta hear that. I gotta go back and listen.
Speaker 2 (46:07):
Yeah, yeah it was raw. Are you sticking around for
the pizza party after the show? I am, yeah, okay, yeah,
thank you, Dan. It's great to be with you. That's
Peter King,
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
A lot of baseball yesterday, and I watched a lot
of the Tigers over the Astros. I also watched the
Mets and the Brewers and got to see the Padres
against the Braves at least the beginning of that, Royals
over the Orioles. And so keep in mind it's the
best of three, so you could say goodbye to the
Astros if the Tigers pick up another win, or the Orioles,
(00:28):
or the Braves or the Brewers. Eight seven seven three
DP show email ADDRESSDP at Danpatrick dot com, Twitter handle
a DP show.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
Peter King will join us.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Coming up a little bit later on in studio the
Monday Morning quarterback Albert Breer on the big story that
is Davante Adams prefers a trade. We'll talk to Peter
and Albert Breer about that, because right now, Davante Adams,
now you say he prefers a trade, he didn't demand
(00:58):
a trade. Now, maybe it's semantics. It's a very nice
way of saying, I'd like to get out of here.
I don't know why he stayed in the first place.
When they traded Derek Carr. He went there to play
with Derek Carr's former college teammate. Don't you think that
he looked around and he sees the quarterback room and
goes mm aiden, who Gardner? Huh, this is the guy
(01:25):
who played with Aaron Rodgers and Derek Carr. Now, all
of a sudden, you look around, you're not going anywhere.
You didn't get a quarterback in the draft. I was
surprised that he started the season with the Raiders because
I thought he would say, look, let's just see what
you can get for me. Let me go someplace else.
We're not going to be competing this year. Now we
(01:47):
have a situation where the trade deadline, I believe is
November fifth. He has a hamstring injury. Well you can't
really say does he have one or maybe it's just convene.
Maybe he doesn't want to play anymore and it's a
hamstring and it's day to day. Because this has to
(02:07):
be awkward. And then there was a post about him
preferring a trade that his head coach Antonio Peers, on
social media liked. I'm guessing it was accidental. I don't
like stories. I've never done that before. I don't know
how you do it accidentally. Hey, there's this story there. Oh,
(02:29):
I just.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
Hit liked there. Yes, TuS talk about passive aggressive. I
love that I can speak to that day Calick.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
But I'm sure that the Jets situation will come up.
I think it's mandatory that any analyst who's on ESPN
or Fox has to say the Dallas Cowboys would be
interested in Devonte Adams. I'm waiting for somebody to say,
and don't rule out the Lakers, I mean, might we
might as well get them all in there, Bronnie, Lebron
(02:59):
and DeVante with the Lakers.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
Wait, he plays football. I don't care.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
We're gonna he could go to the Lakers there, okay,
and we're gonna play the Where will Devonte Adams end up?
So you have the Jets, the Cowboys are in there.
I guess the Buffalo Bills, the Baltimore Ravens, the Washington Commanders,
the Pittsburgh Steelers, and a dark horse, the Kansas City Chiefs.
(03:24):
I can't imagine the Raiders trading a great player in
the division to the Kansas City Chiefs. As far as
the Cowboys go, I like that they'd have money for
DeVante Adams, but they didn't have money for Derrick Henry. Okay,
but it's the Cowboys, and after you know they had
(03:46):
a couple of ugly losses here. You know their problem
is not offense. Their problem is defense defensive line here.
But if you can somehow work in the Cowboys. Sure,
you know the Cowboys had twenty points against New York,
but having a number two option to seed Lamb. All right,
(04:07):
that I get it. But I think the Ravens are
sneaky interesting just because go all in. I mean, you
got a chance. That's where you see these teams. If
I'm the Jets, I got I have to get him.
I have to get him. I mean, what's the downside?
You got Rogers to win? Now, your offense has not
(04:28):
been good at all all in Now, I don't know
what it cost you. I've read a couple of reports.
Maybe a second round pick for Davante Adams. Then you've
got to pick up his salary. I'm sure you'll get
some capologists who can help you with that. But that
to me makes the most sense. But we'll play the
where will Davante Adams end up? Coming up in a
(04:48):
little bit. By the way, DeVante Adams was with k
Adams no relation and it's starting. Oh okay, up in
Adams with k Adams And here's her question to Devonte Adams,
how much does it.
Speaker 5 (05:03):
Bother you when you keep hearing these trade things?
Speaker 3 (05:05):
Because I would I would be paranoid. It gets annoying
for sure.
Speaker 6 (05:08):
You know, I'm one of those players that people like
to talk about one way or the other. So if
I was the type of guy that, you know, let
certain things that people say on the outside gets me,
then you know I wouldn't be in a position that
I am.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
Now.
Speaker 6 (05:20):
I've had some ups and downs in the league, and
through it all, I just try to stay like this
and you know, do my part in that.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
So whatever else happens when people are talking about, when
people are.
Speaker 6 (05:29):
Tweeting, liking, you know, whatever it is, you know, I
can't do anything about that.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Well, I think he was trying to do something about it.
He is doing something about it if you are reportedly
preferring to be traded by the Raiders. And then there
was a report that last year he had gone to
them or started the camp that you know, maybe it's
time to move on. I don't know how old Max
Crosby is, probably late twenties.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
What is he, PAULI twenty seven.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Okay, if you're Max Crosby and all of a sudden
you go, wait, Davante wants out. I think that if
I'm Max Crosby, I would say that I prefer to
be traded as well.
Speaker 7 (06:10):
I like the tone of that, like you know, you know,
I like to be not so much here but elsewhere.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
Yeah. I'm not demanding any No, I just you know what,
you know, what I'd like to be instead of here?
How about there? Prefer I'm just saying, yeah, prefer all right, Todd,
you're doing the UH poll question honors today.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
I am right in the wheehouse of what we're talking about.
First hour, Paul, Which team will Devantie Adams be traded
to Bill's Chiefs, Commanders, Jets, Ravens, Steelers, and our favorite other?
Speaker 3 (06:39):
Well, just put the Cowboys on there. Yeah, you gotta
have the Cowboys.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Yeah, because you're going to get clicks if you have
the cowboys on here. Of course the Cowboys would want him.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
Yes.
Speaker 7 (06:52):
A lot of the people are saying it's about caproom.
There's some teams that have the cap room and some
teams that don't. Some teams that do not not attractive
places like the Patriots or you know, but teams that
have camproom. The forty nine ers surprisingly of cap space
because of the brock Party situation. Oh, the Browns, the Patriots, Lions, Commanders, Cowboys, Cardinals, Jets.
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That's the top eight in cap space right now like
this season.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Well, I would say if I'm the Lions, now, sometimes
you get somebody to keep that guy from going to
someplace else. So this might be a proactive move that, hey,
let's get him so he doesn't end up with San Francisco.
Or if you're the Jets, you don't want him going
to Kansas City. Now, you do want him on your team,
but you also want to make sure that somebody else
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doesn't get better because the move you're going to make
is to win a Super Bowl. It's not going to
be hey, you know, we're Carolina, we're rebuilding that. Yes
you are, but DeVante Adams isn't going to want to
go there.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
He'd prefer not to go there.
Speaker 4 (07:57):
Yes, Marvin, And when Davante made that trade request, they say, hey,
what about Cleveland, Well not there.
Speaker 8 (08:03):
I prefer not to go there.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
I'll stay here. But the Browns need him real bad yeah,
they do need him.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
But if I'm Davante Adams, I probably go, eh, you know,
I helped you beat the Ravens. Now, I'll join you
and let's beat everybody else here Kansas City.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
Imagine that walk into that.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
I just don't know if the Raiders would be willing
to trade in the division to the Chiefs, I wouldn't be.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
I couldn't if I'm Mark Davis.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
There's no way I could watch the Super Bowl and
all of a sudden, Davante Adams is out there and
you're going, we just gave them another super Bowl.
Speaker 7 (08:40):
Yes, Paulmy I wonder I was reading today some people
in New York are speculating Aaron Rodgers could, you know,
volunteer to restructure again. He still gets all his money,
but he just defers it, you know, Shoho Tani style.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
Well you got Garrett Wilson there too, but he's been limited.
Alan Lazard is limited. But if I'm Aaron Rodgers, I'm tampering.
Oh yeah, yeah, I I am. Whatever it takes. I'd
tell him if if you could find maybe a phone booth,
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I'm gonna call it.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
I don't think they have phone booths anymore, do they.
Speaker 7 (09:18):
You see them occasionally, like by the subways, but not
too much in New.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
York, like a true phone booth, or the ones that
are just like a well, I mean the box style, yeah, checking.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Yeah, I don't I remember using that before in Times Square,
and it's not a good thing to put that up
to your ear and your mouth when you're in Times Square.
You you have no idea what has happened in Times Square,
but you could pretty much guess what could have happened.
Speaker 7 (09:44):
Yes, Paul, there are no more freestanding public payphones in
New York City. There are four full they call them
superman booths, the ones that you open the doors. They
are freestanding and in New York, but their phones are
not in service. The people who own the property just
said you could leave him outside there. There's one outside
of bar in New York City, but people take pictures
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in it like it's a novelty.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
Oh okay, the phone doesn't work.
Speaker 8 (10:07):
Yes, did you have a prank one of those phone boots?
Speaker 4 (10:10):
I remember looking at my window in a couple of
blocks away, you can see, like the phone books, and
you get the number, and you called the number, and
you wait to see if someone's gonna pick it up.
Speaker 8 (10:17):
That was a fun time.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
Wow, you in college must have been a blast. You
you're crazy, little kid.
Speaker 4 (10:22):
And were you calling to see if someone's going to
enter the payphone because you have the number four?
Speaker 3 (10:26):
Did you ever say is your refrigerator running? Yes?
Speaker 2 (10:28):
It is way you better go catch it, all right?
Did you have Prince Albert n Cairn? Yes, we'll let
him out.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
Not a lot to do when you're nine once the
littleague games, I would say, your prank the phone.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
I think you were probably a little older than nine.
Speaker 8 (10:41):
Might have been seventeen.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
Yes, he wasn't busy calling girls?
Speaker 8 (10:43):
Yes, memorizing the periodic table beyond?
Speaker 4 (10:46):
Yes, Marvin, Relax, guys, and you guys said he didn't
do any damage.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
Come on, man, you were wild back then with mommy,
why are answering the payphone?
Speaker 9 (10:54):
Hang up the phone?
Speaker 8 (10:54):
Why did you pick it up?
Speaker 3 (10:55):
Mommy? Mommy?
Speaker 8 (10:58):
Yeah, bringing us cookies?
Speaker 3 (10:59):
Todd Are you on the phone calling the phone booth?
Speaker 9 (11:03):
Yes, mommy, I'm a sophomore. NYU close the door.
Speaker 8 (11:06):
We don't want any more cupcakes.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
Leave? Oh you wanted cupcakes?
Speaker 6 (11:11):
All right?
Speaker 2 (11:14):
Play of the Day will be coming up. Any other
poll questions there.
Speaker 8 (11:19):
We have a couple of baseball ones. Want to hear those?
I guess you're asked us so much interesting?
Speaker 3 (11:24):
How about we save those baseball poll questions.
Speaker 8 (11:27):
We have two fun baseball ones.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
You do, yes, yes, you know.
Speaker 7 (11:30):
I love about the first day of the playoffs, you
discover players you either forgot about or you didn't know
were with the team. Michael King, the pitcher for the
Padres yesterday, I was like, who is this guy? To
watch a lot of Padre baseball? He was?
Speaker 3 (11:42):
He used to bounce around on the Yankees. He's dominant
out of nowhere.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
At twelve strikeouts in seven innings, that's the second most
in a playoff game in Podre's history. Kevin Brown struck
out sixteen in nineteen ninety eight against the Astros. Stead
of good days, sad day, best, stead of the day,
stat of the day?
Speaker 8 (12:04):
Here comes that?
Speaker 3 (12:06):
What stat of the day.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
Since baseball went to the current postseason format a couple
of years ago, Game one winners have won all eight
of the opening round series.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
Only one of the eight went to a third game.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Interesting numbers there with the best of three in these
opening round matchups.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
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Speaker 2 (12:42):
He's Albert Brier, the Monday Morning Quarterback senior NFL reporter.
You have a situation with DeVante Adams. He is preferring
a trade, not demanding a trade. What's the difference between
preferring a trade but not demanding a trade?
Speaker 5 (13:00):
It's better pr right Like, It's like somebody saying somebody
applied the franchise tag versus being slapped with the franchise tag,
right like, so it still a little friendlier, you know,
I I I think part of it probably Dan is
you know, Davante maybe being a little bit sensitive to
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the idea that he'd be a malecontent because I do
think like he likes Antonio Pierce and you know, I
think and you know, a nuance.
Speaker 9 (13:32):
This is what like went.
Speaker 5 (13:34):
On there last year, you know, and like how there
were a small group of veteran players that you know,
really played a role in getting ap that job in
the first place. And you know, ironically enough, like if
if Davanta Adams has traded, two of the three would
be gone, because the three guys were really Max Crosby,
Josh Jacobs and and DeVante Adams, you know, and so
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now you know Jacobs was in Green Bay and Adams
would both be gone. So I think that's part of
the reason why is because you know Adams. I don't
think does I don't think Adams wants to disrespect Antonio Pierce.
But at the same time, his contract sets up in
a way where it's pretty clear he's not going to
be there next year. And you know, as a guy
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is turning thirty two in December, I'm sure wanting to
play for a contender right now and have a chance
to go compete for a Super Bowl is a big
priority of his.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
Okay, what's he worth? What's it going to cost? In
ye turn?
Speaker 2 (14:31):
And do you do you have a list of teams
pecking order where.
Speaker 9 (14:37):
You I think the obvious ones are the ones that
he's got.
Speaker 5 (14:40):
You know, he's got connections too, So the Jets, you know,
obviously played all those years with Aaron Rodgers, the Saints,
he has the relationship with Derek Carr, playing in college
with him. Derek Carr is a huge reason what he
wanted to be in Vegas to begin with. So you know,
you start with those two teams. We're sure the obvious
connect the Dot Team. Those teams actually also have guys
(15:03):
as number one receivers and Garrett Wilson and Chris Olave
that I think could take the pressure off of them
as an older player, you know just In you know,
it's sort of coverage he's seeing and everything else.
Speaker 9 (15:15):
So those are be the.
Speaker 5 (15:16):
Teams I start with us for his value, I don't
think they're going to get like a Brandon Ayuk type
of package. The reality is Ayuk is twenty six, Adams
is thirty two. So I think the more reasonable comps
for for for an Adams trade would be.
Speaker 9 (15:33):
Keenan Allen and Stefan Diggs.
Speaker 5 (15:36):
And if you really dig into what those trades were
and and you both those guys that are production last
year was actually a little bit better than Devonte Adams.
Now those guys have better quarterbacks, you know, Diggs had
Josh Allen and Keenan Allen had, you had had Justin Herbert.
But those guys had similar production, had had better production,
slightly better but better production last year.
Speaker 9 (15:58):
Adam.
Speaker 5 (15:58):
You know, Adams or Alan went up wound up getting
traded from the Chargers to the Bears for a fourth
round pick. Diggs got traded from Buffalo to the Texans
for a future second round pick, So a second round
pick that was a year out, and fifth and sixth
round picks went to Houston with.
Speaker 9 (16:18):
Digs, so there was a give back there.
Speaker 5 (16:19):
So that's roughly the value of a third rounder. So
I think that's what you're looking at here, probably a
three or a four. My guess is that Vegas probably
wouldn't move DeVante Adams for a four.
Speaker 9 (16:31):
I think some.
Speaker 5 (16:32):
Teams will try to go fishing and see if a
four would do it. Ultimately, I think a three is
probably what winds up being the price.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
Yeah, I was told to two, but that might be
a two. That's what Vegas wants, But that doesn't mean
that's what Vegas is going.
Speaker 5 (16:45):
That's what I'm saying, Yeah, I mean what Vegas wants
Vegas is actually going to ask for is obviously going
to ask for a little bit more, I'd be. I mean,
I think the value, probably most teams would tell you
is a three or a four.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
But then what does Max Cronsby do? Does he prefer
a trade after Davante trade?
Speaker 9 (17:07):
You know? Like, I think it's certainly a question.
Speaker 6 (17:09):
You know, I.
Speaker 5 (17:11):
Don't think the Raiders as competitive as they've been in
Antonio Pierce deserves a lot of credit for this.
Speaker 9 (17:16):
There aren't very many spots in their rosters that that that.
Speaker 5 (17:20):
Don't qualify as need positions, right like, So this is
a very real ground up rebuild for Tom Tolasco and
Antonio Pierce. They are not close, but I think they
are walking this tightrope of we know we need to
rebuild the roster, but we also need to provide the
new coaching staff some proof of concept and not make
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it look like we're taking this thing down to the studs. So,
you know, I think with Crosby, it sort of rides
a little bit more.
Speaker 9 (17:48):
On where are you on Halloween?
Speaker 5 (17:51):
Right when you're you know whatever, it is a week,
two weeks out from the trade deadline, What does your
record look like? Are you still in the race. If
you're still competing for a playoff spot, then I think
you keep mac Max Crosby, you know, and I think
you do it almost regardless of what he wants.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
But if that's the case, then are you keeping DeVante
Adams as well that you're in the playoff?
Speaker 5 (18:16):
No, because I think I think at this point, like
Davante Adams is DeVante Adams isn't a building block for
you going forward to Crosby.
Speaker 9 (18:21):
I have to look up his.
Speaker 5 (18:24):
Twenty Okay, So like Crosby, like, let's say, if you're
if you're Telasco and and Pierce. Right now you say, realistically, realistically,
we can build this into a contender, a real contender
in twenty twenty six.
Speaker 9 (18:39):
How much does Adams have left in twenty twenty six?
Speaker 3 (18:44):
Not much?
Speaker 9 (18:45):
How much does Crosby have left?
Speaker 3 (18:47):
Yeah, hold a lot? Yeah right, yeah, probably.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
Still a really good But if you're the Raiders, don't
you try to trade Adams?
Speaker 3 (18:55):
Like now, like immediate are.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
You gonna are you going to go all the way
up to the deadline, because yeah, I'm going to.
Speaker 9 (19:02):
Drag this out.
Speaker 5 (19:03):
No, I do not think you want to drag this
out where you get into the you know, phantom injury.
Speaker 9 (19:09):
Thing, you know what I mean? Like you just might
have that what are you dealing with this week? Was that?
Speaker 5 (19:14):
I'm not saying that, but like I don't think you
want to deal with that on a week to week basis.
I don't think that that winds up being something that
is good for your locker room. It's good for your program.
So I'm with you on that, Like I don't I
don't think you're going to get markedly more for Davante
Adams a month from now than you would now now.
I mean, like, could you get a little bit more
because some team gets into an emergency injury situation. That's
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certainly possible, you know, But I do think, like you
look at this and you say, it'd be better if
we just get a resolution on this now and then
we get a real view of where our team is
over the next few weeks without Davante Adams as part
of the equation, and then you know, we make decisions
on guys like Max Crosby and others on the roster
that maybe we can get some value back for.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
He's Albert Brier Monday Morning Quarterback. Last time you're on.
You floated out there. Bill Belichick and the Jags. The
Jags continue to go in the wrong direction here.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
Do you think Bill Belichick has his staff.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
In mind that he would he plug and play with
something like this, or or would he want to wait
and give me the entire offseason, not come in right
away and be judged on somebody else's team.
Speaker 5 (20:28):
I mean, like, I don't think he's coming in right away. Like,
if that's what you're asking, when was the lost time
that happened?
Speaker 2 (20:34):
Well, if they if they continue to lose, right, are
they going to make it? So you think this owner
would give Doug Peterson the rest of the season.
Speaker 9 (20:42):
No, I'm not saying that. I'm not saying that.
Speaker 5 (20:44):
Like I I look like I look at it like
they're they got a.
Speaker 9 (20:49):
Division game this week.
Speaker 5 (20:50):
If they lose Indianapolis, they go to London in h
to five. If they go to London in h and five,
that's an embarrassing thing for a billionaire. Billionaires don't like being.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
In and that's his that's hiss.
Speaker 5 (21:01):
And then yeah, and then you're going to a place
where he owns a soccer team, he owns Fulham and
he's invested a lot in making the Jaguars a factor
in that city. They're going there own five, then they've
wind up coming back on seven. I think all that's
are off, you know, because that would mean they'd have
vot to the Bears and Patriots, all due respect, that's
not losing to the Chiefs and Niners.
Speaker 9 (21:19):
You know, So like I don't know.
Speaker 5 (21:22):
Like I I think, you know, I like, I think
there's a possibility that that that this could be a
mid season thing. I wouldn't rule that out, but I
just don't know how you go about, you know, bringing
in a new head coach in mid season, if that's
what you're asking, you know, you know, I think they would.
I think they would, you know, pick whoever on the
staff and make Ryan Nielson the defensive coordinator and make
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them the interim coach. And then you know, if you
wanted to get a head start, you maybe start working
in the background with someone like Bill you know what
I mean, Like on that now, could you go and
get a new general manager? That I think is possible
like that. We've seen that that. I believe it was
the Browns that did that with John Dorsey years ago,
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right like at the end of maybe at the end
of the Hugh Jackson. Now, yeah, it was while Hugh
Jackson was the coach when they brought Dorsey in in December.
And there are a number of guys that Belichick has
worked with, you know, Scott Pioli, John Robinson, Thomas de
mittrof that are out there that don't have that that
that don't that aren't working for NFL teams right now
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that you might be able to to to install as
your general manager if you were going to make major
changes in mid season. That's aid to answer to the
other part of your question, Like, I think Bill has
a real good idea of who you have on his staff.
Like I think that there would be bringing the band
back together element to all of this, Like I I
think Josh McDaniels would be part of the equation, Matt Patricia,
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Joe Judge, Like I think there'd be a lot of
familiar names as part of the next staff wherever Bill lands.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
You think Christian McCaffrey plays this season, I.
Speaker 9 (22:57):
Do, I, you know, I.
Speaker 5 (22:59):
I I think that this is I mean you and
I both know this, right, Like you've been around sports
longer than me. But I know well enough to know
when an athlete goes over to Germany, it's not for evaluation,
it's for treatment, right, So you know I I I I.
Speaker 9 (23:17):
Sort of it.
Speaker 5 (23:20):
The thing the thing that reminds me of the most
is Andrew Locke. You know, like when Andrew Locke just
could not get in front of the injuries that he
had and kind of kept trying to find different solutions
and it just kind of became too much for him.
Speaker 10 (23:35):
Now.
Speaker 5 (23:35):
I'm not saying that McCaffrey is going to become lock here,
you know, but it's certainly concerning, you know, like that
that he just can't seem to get in front of
this right now.
Speaker 9 (23:46):
So I think they find a way.
Speaker 5 (23:49):
I think that that that that a lot of this
is uncertain at this.
Speaker 9 (23:52):
Point, you know, and and and how he feels.
Speaker 5 (23:56):
What I do know is I I think they're going
to find a way to get him on the field
because I think McAffrey is determined to get back on
the field. I would never doubt that guy's drive, like
in his his will, and I think he's gonna want
to find a way to get back out there. Finding
the most judicious way to do that is the question.
And that's how that started in.
Speaker 9 (24:16):
The first place.
Speaker 5 (24:17):
Dan, Like I I think, you know, their feeling coming
out of out of week one, Week two is like okay, like, well,
if this is the NFC Championship game, he could have played, right,
but this is lingered to the point where it's you know,
now you're taking trips to.
Speaker 9 (24:29):
Germany and everything else. I think there's a real level.
Speaker 5 (24:33):
Of determination on McCaffrey's part to be a part of
the niners like drive for Super Bowl this year. And
you know, I think the fact that this could be
the one of the final shots that this particular group
of players has at it together is a motivator too.
So I think he finds a way out there. The
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question is what forum, and you know what sort of
condition he's going to be in when he gets out there,
And I'm not sure even he knows that until he
actually goes out there and tests how the treatment worked
on the practice field.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
The two tongue of ilo situation.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
Not many guys go in concussion protocol and end up
on the IR, but not many players have suffered the
concussions that too a Hat does to a play for
the Dolphins this season.
Speaker 5 (25:21):
Yes, and I say that like everybody else, you know,
waiting to see what comes of everything that he's done
and is doing with specialists. So I don't want to
put it on him that I'm guaranteeing anything, but I
I would say like that there are zero people I've
talked to around Toua that think that he is even
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considering retiring or wanting to shut it down. And I
think the dolphins own actions here would tell you that
they're giving him every chance. I think the act of
putting them on an injured reserve was very, very smart
by the Dolphins, and I think the idea there was
to take the pressure off of everybody doing that. Sidelining
him for four games took the pressure off the coaches,
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took the pressure off of too himself, took the pressure
off the trainers, took the pressure off the doctor. Took
the pressure off of everybody so he could make a
coherent decision on his future. I think he badly wants
to play again, and I think it's easy for the
rest of us to play mom and dad out there
and say I would never let my kid go back
out there. And it was pointing for me listening to
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like Tony Gonzalez's commentary right after the game and saying,
if that was my son, I wouldn't let him play.
I think we all feel that way. If that was
our son, if that was our brother, if that was
our dad, if that was our uncle, we wouldn't want
him going out there, right. But this is Toua's decision,
you know. And I think the psychology of the pro
athlete is an interesting one, because you know, you have
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something that you're so elite at that somebody's willing to
pay you millions for it, and it's been part of
your identity since you were a little kid.
Speaker 9 (26:56):
And invariably for all.
Speaker 5 (26:57):
These guys, at some point in their twenties or three already,
somebody's going to tap them on the shoulder and tell
them that they cannot do that anymore.
Speaker 9 (27:04):
And they still have more than half of their life
to live, right.
Speaker 5 (27:07):
It's a really it's an interesting psychological thing there, and
you know, Tua now being in that position in his
mid twenties has a tough spot to be in for
a player. And you know, so I can understand both
sides of it. You know, I think like the rest
of us look at it and say, we would never
let it. We would never want our brother or our son,
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or our again, our dad or our uncle wanting going
back out there after what two has been through. But
the psychology of a pro athlete is very different than that.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
Yeah, because if Tony Gonzalez was the player, Tony Gonzalez
would go out there and play exactly now he's saying,
you know, fifteen years, which.
Speaker 9 (27:45):
Is totally understandable too.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
Right, Yeah, I get it, I get it. But the
mentality of the player is going to continue to play.
Speaker 5 (27:52):
Yeah, and I think it was really interesting too. Just
one last thing on that, what Mike McDaniel's comment where
he said, like you're the quarterback of your family, right
like that Ultimately is who he has to answer to.
Speaker 9 (28:04):
Two.
Speaker 5 (28:04):
It doesn't have to answer to the Dolphins. He doesn't
have to answer He thinks he's got to answer to
his locker room, right, which is the natural mentality the athlete,
the coaching, Steff, Ultimately the people he's got to answer
to to the people who live under the same.
Speaker 9 (28:16):
Roof as him, not us. Thank you, Albert, you got it.
Thanks Dan.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan
Patrick Show weekdays at nine am Eastern six am Pacific
on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio WAPP.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
He's Peter King, NFL analyst for Sirius XM, the Let's
Go Podcast with Tom Brady, Bill Belichick, Max Crosby and
Jim Gray, and covered the NFL for more than four decades. Pete,
good to see you. As soon as I see Pete,
he says, Hey, forty five years today, and I go
forty five and he goes Chris Berman.
Speaker 10 (28:53):
Forty Firman forty fifth year, forty five year anniversary. I
just saw it on social media on the way up
here to that.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
Dang. Yeah, forty five years, forty five years at the Mothership,
So that must mean nineteen seventy.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
Nine he was there, yeah, when it started seventy yeah,
him and Bob Lee and tom Me's Yeah, and I
think they had a trailer there was no building. I
mean the fact, you know, everybody wanted to work at
ESPN when it became cool. Yeah, but those who were
the pioneers who started a place when it wasn't cool,
nobody knew if it would last. They thought it might
(29:29):
be a local Connecticut sports channel.
Speaker 8 (29:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
But for Bob and Chris and the late tom Mes
to take a chance with something like that, And that's
why I've said, all along, build a statue there of
those three, name a building after that. I mean, remember
them because people are going to forget them, and I
don't want them to because without them, I'm not here.
(29:55):
I don't have this job. And I forever indebted that
they were doing it when they I didn't even know
who was watching. So happy anniversary to Chris Burm All right,
what do you miss most? How are you when you
watch a football game? Watching it differently?
Speaker 3 (30:11):
I mean I.
Speaker 10 (30:13):
Watch it with I watched the Sunday Night game the
first half of a glass of wine in my hand
and having just finished pizza. No, I watch it for
total entertainment, now for yus, for fun. And I used
to watch it like if I had an idea that
(30:33):
I was going to write a column about Joe Burrow,
I would have the Bengals game on and I would
watch every moment of Joe Burrow. And now I just
watch the game. I do watch it a little bit differently.
I just watch it for fun. I put on red Zone.
Scott Hansen is my guru, and for six or seven hours,
(30:57):
that's what I do. The difference in my life now, Dan,
is that, except for the first week where I watched
all of the Sunday Night game, I am in bed
no later than halftime. And one week I was in
bed about a quarter nine on Sunday night because I
(31:17):
just that was the one thing about my life that
I really didn't like. When you're a kid, you can
stay up until four o'clock in the morning one day
and then so it's a rough next day, but then
you're fine the day after. But you do that when
you're sixty six, sixty seven years old, and your life
sucks until Wednesday. And so I just didn't want to
(31:39):
do that anymore.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
But how much did your brother's health. Yeah, like you
start to have mortality, you know, when somebody around you
passes way.
Speaker 10 (31:49):
I mean all my father and my two brothers were
all dead before the age of sixty five. And you know,
I'm sixty seven now, and I'm not going to be
dead anytime.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
Well, shoot, that's a dumb thing.
Speaker 10 (32:02):
So but I don't I'm trying to take care of
myself and all that stuff.
Speaker 3 (32:07):
But my whole.
Speaker 10 (32:08):
Point is it's harder to do that when you're always
tired and when you're beat up, even if you're working out,
and I was working out three four days a week,
but after a while, it just really starts to get
to You.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
Give me the team, the story that you would love
to do a deep dive on this year right now.
Speaker 10 (32:26):
I would really love to do Dan Quinn the Commandos Commanders.
I really wish they'd just be Washington football team.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
Yeah, I love that.
Speaker 10 (32:37):
It was the greatest thing football team that would really
be fun. I've never met Jayden Daniels, I don't know
much about him, but wow, is he impressive. But the
other team I would love to be around a lot
is Kansas City because look, if Kansas City somehow finds
(32:57):
a way this year, they're the Beatles. You know, they're
gonna be Mahomes as John Lennon, Andy Reid is a
portly Paul McCartney, and you know they are going to
be the biggest thing in sports because obviously in the
Super Bowl era and not since Green Bay sixty years ago,
or there's somebody win three titles in a row, and
(33:20):
so that to me, I'm totally fascinated. And you know, Dan,
I think we are going to look back on this
era of football and we're going to say, Okay, the
first twenty years of this century were owned by Brady.
The next twenty years are going to be owned by Mahomes.
And one of the biggest reasons is not just talent
(33:44):
and all that stuff, but he has the will. And
I tell this story last year in Frankfurt, when I
was covering the game for NBC, they played Miami and
they're playing crappy on offense, and after the game, I
interviewed Mahomes on the field for NBC and I said, man,
your offense. You won, but your offense is in trouble.
(34:06):
And he goes, Oh, we're going to straighten it out.
Don't worry. We're gonna be okay. We're gonna And afterwards
I went into the locker room and I kind of
gave him a little fistbum said, thank you. You didn't
have to do that, and I appreciate you doing it.
He said, hey, no problem, he says, Peter, I want
to tell you we're going to get this offense straightened out.
Speaker 3 (34:25):
I guarantee it.
Speaker 10 (34:26):
I promise you, And he just he has the will
that a lot of people don't have, but that Tom
Brady did have.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
Speaking of Brady, you're the newest member of the Let's
Go podcast. You got Brady Belichick, Max Crosby, Jim Gray.
How do you get into word edgewise?
Speaker 10 (34:43):
Well, you know, it's all in different segments. So like
I do one segment with Jim Gray on kind of
happenings of the league, and you know, the other day
we talked a lot about Derrick Henry and then I
am part me and Jim will interview Max Crosby every week,
(35:07):
and then Belichick does his own thing with Jim and
Brady's not on every week.
Speaker 3 (35:14):
He's on.
Speaker 10 (35:16):
I don't know how often he'll be on, but he's
not on every week because he's got his other life now.
But I mean, it's kind of fun just to have
fourteen minutes. You know, at NBC you've got a minute
forty and now you've got fourteen minutes.
Speaker 3 (35:31):
That's kind of fun just to be able to talk.
You know, what do you make of Belichick the media star?
Speaker 9 (35:38):
Well?
Speaker 10 (35:39):
I always knew he'd be good at this for a
very simple reason. A long time ago in the eighties,
I covered the Giants and Belichick was defensive coordinator and
he wasn't Johnny Carson, but he was incredibly insightful and enlightening,
and look, he wanted a head coaching job, so he
was going to be friendly and not friendly, but you know,
(36:02):
he was going to cooperate with the writers, and in
those days, the writers were everything. And so Belichick was great.
And he's got it in him to be clever, to
be a little bit funny, and to be really really smart,
obviously about football. So I had no doubt he'd be good.
(36:23):
If Bill wants to be good at something, he's going
to be good at something. Now we just have to wait.
I mean, there's no doubt in my mind or anybody.
I would assume that somebody's gonna give him a shot
next year. But Dan, I would just say this about
next year with Bill Belichick, I want to see how
accepting he is to some new stuff in football, to analytics, to.
Speaker 3 (36:46):
Stuff that.
Speaker 10 (36:47):
I think he's always sort of viewed himself as the
smartest guy in the room, even though he wouldn't say that,
but he has viewed himself that way. And I think
there's more information than ever. I think he's got to
start taking advantage of that information.
Speaker 3 (37:04):
Is he going to be a GM too? Is he
going to have a dual title?
Speaker 10 (37:08):
I don't think he should be, because I'm not saying
nobody in his right mind would allow Bill to pick
all the groceries. But I do think that he's going
to have to have a good deal of say. But look,
had he gone to Atlanta, Arthur Blank was not going
(37:30):
to newter or fire Terry Fontineau the GM, and so
Bill was going to have to accept that. And I
think and quite honestly, Dan, he.
Speaker 3 (37:39):
Should accept it.
Speaker 10 (37:40):
He should look at his weakness over the last six
or eight years that he did the Patriots, and he
was a weak evaluator and collector of talent.
Speaker 3 (37:53):
There's no other way to put it. We're talking to
Peter King.
Speaker 2 (37:57):
He's the newest member of the Let's Go Podcast, available
every Monday at six eastern three Pacific on Serious XM
Mad Dog Radio. That's a Channel eighty two. Why is
Jerry Jones in the Hall of Fame before Robert Kraft?
Speaker 10 (38:12):
Well, first of all, Robert Kraft I firmly believe will
get in the Hall of Fame. I think Jerry Jones
got in the Hall of Fame for two reasons. Number one,
three super Bowls. Number two, the business model. Jerry Jones
gets in as a quote contributor, end quote. And I
(38:37):
don't know anybody who you know if you say a
guy has won three Super Bowls. Now, whatever year he
got in, it was about ten years ago, eight, ten
years ago, whatever it was. But at the time, he
had three Super Bowls and he changed the way the
NFL did a lot of its business, and he made
the league a lot of money, and he made the
(38:59):
league different so that's why. Now, if you want to
argue that Robert Kraft, I mean, first of all, I
think and I'd have to look up the year that
Jerry got in, Robert Kraft probably had either three or
four by the time Jerry got in. And look, I've
said this about Craft many times. And now I'm not
(39:21):
a voter on the committee anymore. I resigned a couple
of months ago, but I am going to be a
consultant to the committee. And I have said this for
a long time that the reason that Robert Kraft will
get in. And I'm not one of those that said, well,
of course he should be in. I mean, he probably
should be in by now, but he's going to get in.
(39:43):
And the biggest reason is because in the year two thousand,
right as the millennium began, Robert Kraft did something that
nobody wanted him to do. He hired Bill Belichick. Everybody thought,
oh my god, this anti social loser from Klee Lynd.
You know who got blown out in Cleveland. You know,
(40:03):
why would you give him another team? You know, what
what are you doing? And he went against everybody, and
of all the things he's done in the NFL, and
he's done a lot business wise, collective bargaining wise, and
all that stuff. The fact that he went against the
grain and hired Belichick, because just remember Bill Belichick, Scott Pioli,
(40:28):
they're the guys who picked the players in New England
very early on. There's no reason to think that Dom
Capers and whoever would be on the personnel side, there's
no reason to think they would have picked Tom Brady
with the one hundred and ninety ninth pick into in
that year in their first draft. I mean it was,
(40:50):
it's almost if it's almost chancy anyway. But the fact
is he brings in somebody who's got the presence of
mind somehow some way to pick Tom Brady and they
live happily ever after for two decades and win six
Super Bowls.
Speaker 2 (41:07):
Is Russell Wilson playing his way out of the Super
Bowl or out of the Hall of Fame?
Speaker 3 (41:13):
I don't know.
Speaker 10 (41:14):
There's gonna be so many quarterbacks from this era who
have a good argument for the Hall of Fame, so many.
Speaker 3 (41:23):
And I don't know.
Speaker 10 (41:25):
I'm always hesitant the one guy though, Dan and I'm
hesitant on Russell Wilson. I would like to see him
do a little bit more somewhere outside of the cocoon
of Seattle, and he hasn't yet. But let's see the
one guy who this year in Detroit on that Sunday
night and then against San Francisco, I said to myself,
(41:49):
Matthew Stafford. I'm not saying it's an absolute, no doubt.
Matthew Stafford absolutely has my vote. I think he's this
generation's Dan fouts And plus he's got a Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (42:02):
Yeah, Dan Foutz didn't have one.
Speaker 10 (42:04):
I just think that Matthew Stafford and what he's done
with a team that many times has been down and
out because of injuries, he just keeps them in every
single game. And I just I think Matthew Stafford's special.
Speaker 2 (42:20):
And what I found interesting is these younger quarterbacks Caleb Williams, yeah,
CJ Stroud, and they were gushing over Matthew Stafford, Yeah,
gushing yeah. And I'm like, I mean, they grew up
on him and they're watching now. Granted he wasn't on
the big stage really other than with the Rams, but
they're seeing him and seeing what it's like to be
(42:43):
a quarterback to be able to do what he's doing.
And I found that amazing because if you're a young quarterback,
you're probably saying, maybe it's Tom Brady, maybe it's Patrick Mahomes, somebody.
They're watching Matthew Stafford when he was in Detroit, Yeah,
and gushing over him.
Speaker 3 (42:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 10 (43:00):
I mean, look, everybody's gonna say if he say, oh,
Matthew Stafford the negative people for the Hall of Fame.
To me, Matthew Stafford lifted that franchise for so many
years into at least mediocrity when they probably didn't even
deserve that. And I would I'd say one of the
saddest things I've seen is when his own wife and
(43:23):
their kids can't go to the first game of the
season because they're going to get booed. I mean, you know,
sports fandom has really gone too far when something like
that happens. Bothers me.
Speaker 2 (43:36):
Well, Dan Campbell, you lose the playoff game and somebody
leaks his address and you got I mean, they should
be planting flowers, yes, at Dan Campbell's house.
Speaker 10 (43:46):
Yeah, he's fabulous, So that whole franchise. You know, last
year in training camp. I remember I've been to the
Lions over the years in training camp and there's sixteen
people there, you know, as a crowd. And last year
it was raining steadily at seven thirty in the morning
for an eight thirty practice, and there was a line
(44:08):
of people waiting to get in a long Lion. I mean,
they've changed football in Detroit. Bill Parcells always said the
one team that he thought would have been great to coach,
not that he looked back and wanted to change his life,
would be the Detroit Lions. He just had a fascination
because when Parcells was a kid, the Lions meant something.
Speaker 2 (44:28):
Yeah, and Tony Dungee said, yeah, he came close to
coaching the Lions because his dad was.
Speaker 3 (44:33):
A Lion science fan. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (44:35):
Before I let you go, your remembrances of Pete Rose
when you were in Cincinnati, do you have a favorite?
Speaker 10 (44:43):
I'm twenty three years old. I just get hired by
the Cincinnati Inquirer. The Philadelphia Phillies come to town, and my
sports editor says, go, basically, do the state of Pete Rose?
What's going on with him now? With the Phillies all that?
And I went into I just walked into the clubhouse
before a game four point thirty in the afternoon in Cincinnati,
(45:05):
and I introduced myself and he goes, oh, Peter King, Hey,
you're new at the Inquirer. That's cool, love the inquired
great paper. Where are you from Enfield, Connecticut?
Speaker 3 (45:16):
Oh? How jammed up out here?
Speaker 8 (45:18):
Well?
Speaker 3 (45:18):
I went to Ohio University. Oh cool.
Speaker 10 (45:20):
He interviewed me for two minutes before I started talking
to him and Dan. Over the years, I would see
him occasion. I went to lunch with him one day
in New York when he was still managing the Reds,
just for fun.
Speaker 3 (45:33):
Because I like the guy.
Speaker 10 (45:35):
And then the last time I saw him was maybe
five six seven years ago. I was out at Fox
on the Fox lot in LA and I saw him
and he goes.
Speaker 3 (45:45):
Peter, how you doing? What are you doing here?
Speaker 8 (45:48):
You know?
Speaker 10 (45:48):
And he had the memory of an elephant, he really did.
And he could talk to anybody pretty much about anything
as long as it had to do with sports.
Speaker 2 (46:01):
And uh, if you if you didn't get a chance
to listen to Johnny Bench yesterday.
Speaker 3 (46:05):
Yeah, I gotta hear that. I gotta go back and listen.
Speaker 2 (46:07):
Yeah, yeah it was raw. Are you sticking around for
the pizza party after the show? I am, yeah, okay, yeah,
thank you, Dan. It's great to be with you. That's
Peter King,
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