July 2, 2025 • 41 mins
Sports business insider Bret McCormick joins the show to talk about the spate of stadiums being renovated and new stadiums being built for professional sports teams around the country. And NBA legend Jermaine O’Neal drops by to talk about NBA free agency and playing against some of the greatest players of all time.
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Fox Sports Radio. Poll question from our one and what
are we going to go with an hour two of
the program, Seaton.
Speaker 4 (00:41):
If you were Damian Lillard, would you consider retiring right now?
Last I check those poll results, it was an overwhelming no.
Speaker 5 (00:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
I'm getting paid one hundred million dollars to not play
for the bus. I have to rehab. By the time
I'm ready to play, I'll be thirty six.
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That's not old. That's I mean Durant's doing it. Why
can't Dame Lillard?
Speaker 5 (01:05):
Now?
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Granted, Durant's seven feet tall, so you know he can
still get his shot off. By the way, Lebron James
had Kevin Durant on his podcast and he talked about
Kevin Durant every time he takes a shot.
Speaker 6 (01:19):
So if you guys in our league that you believe
every time they shoot the balls going and Katie is
one of those guys, that's a lot of pressure.
Speaker 5 (01:29):
It is it is, it is. Listen, you shoot the ball.
When Steph shoot the ball and Steph.
Speaker 6 (01:35):
Get a look, you just you don't think it's going
You don't think he's gonna miss.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Trying to think who else would be on that list.
I agree Katie and Steph when they shoot, I think
it's going in. Is there somebody where you go? He's
right in that.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
Category where it's weird when they miss. Yes, Yes, Paul Peek.
Speaker 7 (01:53):
Ray Allen when he was spotted up at the end
of his career.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Yeah, but I mean now, oh, I'm sorry, Marvin.
Speaker 8 (01:58):
Still, Klay Thompson, he's wide open cash Okay.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Not many guys on that list. When they're open, when
they shoot, they make I always thought whenever Kareem shot
the sky.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
Hook, it was going in.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
That That's probably the first guy that I can remember
when he shot it was going in.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
Yes.
Speaker 8 (02:22):
Marmon mid range with Shay.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Nh Okay, I need a little larger sample size maybe
on that.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
I mean, Katie's been doing this for a long long time.
Speaker 8 (02:35):
So you need people ten years plus.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
No, it doesn't have to be ten. But you don't
give me a good seven years six seven years. But
you're right, I mean Shay, But Shay, his shots are
contested from the standpoint of who's guarding him. Is probably
his size, maybe a little taller. Kevin Durant's seven feet tall.
They may list him at six'. Nine he's seven feet.
(02:59):
Tall if you see him next To. Lebron lebron's supposed
to be six' nine kd Seven.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
Feet Yes Does anthony edwards get into that list at?
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Some, point, HMM oh i guess, he CAN but i
don't look him as a bucket. Like that he's pretty.
Close though he nobody's Close TO Stephan. Kd open look
those guys even CONTESTED. For kd he's scoring because it's
rare if you're going to get a piece of. HIS
(03:30):
shot I remember Anthony uh sion who was it just
got Traded. From Portland does Simon's uh He blocked kd's shot?
One TIME and i remember seeing, the highlight it, WAS
like i gotta watch. That again but he blocked his
shot maybe last year of the, year BEFORE and i
was shocked like, a Jumper, LIKE dirk i don't you
(03:52):
know he seven footer fading away.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
Really tough to block. That, Shot, yes paully it's a.
Speaker 7 (03:57):
Different shot But When jalen brunson Of the knicks does
that little across into the middle and it's about ten
eleven feet and he has an open eye on it
and it, Rims out, you're, like, oh yeah it's.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
A Surprise but Katie and steph are in a category all.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
TIME category i always Thought whenever bird had a wide,
open shot it was. Going in i'd put him on that,
LIST too pauli Talked About ray allen. Wide, Open yes
i'd put him on that. List too anybody else you
can Think of marv like, wide open where, you go that's.
A bucket now we're TALKING. About kd, you know somebody
(04:34):
contesting him and it always feels like it's.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
Going, In.
Speaker 7 (04:38):
Yeah paul steph is the one, seed though when you
see him going around and it doesn't go in and the,
crowd does, oh, Yeah, Yes marv.
Speaker 8 (04:45):
And there's nothing worse than watching the, opposite uh the
opposing coaches going how is? He OPEN.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
But i can go back to When the lakers Played
the Celtics and magic hits the sky Hook the celtics all.
Time out they run a Play And james worthy is
actually holding On To larry, bird's shirt, his jersey and
He Loses larry bird in the Corner and larry can
win the game from the corner and he misses, the
(05:14):
shot and We Had james. Worthy on, he goes oh,
MY god i can't BELIEVE that i lost him and
he could have hit that shot from. The corner kind
of rattles in. And out, all right we'll come up
with the pole question for. Hour two, jermaine O'Neill Former,
all star is going to. Join Us jim jackson stops by.
As well joining us Now is, Brett McCormick Sports. Business
(05:37):
journal he, covers stadiums, fan, experience ticketing he covers. It
all and we were thinking about having, You, on Brett
because i'm looking at What the cleveland What the browns
are doing moving to, the SUBURBS and i guess it's a,
dome STADIUM but i, was wondering when does the stadium
(05:58):
become obsolete in.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
Your eye.
Speaker 9 (06:01):
Great question and thanks for, Having me and as a
Long suffering, HORNETS fan i hope That kahn knoople joins.
Speaker 10 (06:08):
The list you were just. Talking about that is that
is the Prayer.
Speaker 9 (06:11):
In, charlotte, yeah no This is this is The topic
i'm thinking about a lot right now because you have
this cycle of stadiums that are coming up to the
put up or shut.
Speaker 10 (06:22):
UP question.
Speaker 9 (06:23):
I guess so these stadiums built between nineteen ninety five
and two thousand, And five you've Got, Like, Jacksonville, Charlotte.
HOUSTON denver, i mean there's probably a dozen. Of them
and it's the kind of the critical juncture, of where,
you know architecturally and, engineering wise you look at should
we renovate this or should we build a?
Speaker 10 (06:42):
New stadium and.
Speaker 9 (06:44):
YOU know i don't write about the, you know whether
these should be financed, by who or whether it's a
good investment, Or what but that is about the lifespan
is twenty to twenty. Five years you're really studying should
we build a new stadium in a different location or
should we renovate what? We've got and you've got all
of the above going on right now and a lot
(07:05):
of those decisions are dictated. By location, you know is
it in the urban area or is it developable around it.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
Or whatever THAT'S why i Understand. The browns if you
want to do a, DOME stadium i. Get that but
where that's located is great in my opinion having, been
there and it feels like you could develop. AROUND that
i guess if. You want i've Been to foxboro Where the.
PATRIOTS play i mean they try to set up, something, there,
(07:33):
like hey come Out. To foxboro will you Go to
foxborough to See? The patriots you're not going to go to,
You know Dave and buster's There, or applebee's bring the
kids and let's go twenty miles.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
Or something.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
You Know the bears are moving out of downtown. As
well is that a dome stadium?
Speaker 3 (07:50):
As well.
Speaker 6 (07:53):
That's a.
Speaker 9 (07:53):
GOOD question i haven't seen the, design yet but so
what they're looking for. Is SPACE so i think With the,
CLEVELAND waterfront i think there is an issue that it's
difficult to develop down there because of some roads and
the way it's. Set up but you would think that in,
Both cases Chicago, and cleveland that the waterfront would be difficult.
To BEAT but i think what they're looking for, is
space and it kind of speaks to one of the
(08:13):
trends that's happening. In sports venue designed right now more with,
other sports, especially baseball where you've got people come into.
Eighty games it's a little different WITH, the nfl but
what they're trying to do is set up a stadium
as a hub of a district where again you have, people,
living working. And playing and that's what they're looking for.
Is space and so.
Speaker 10 (08:34):
It is kind OF.
Speaker 9 (08:37):
When i talk, about location the location for certain teams
can be, you know in an urban setting downtown in
the midst, of everything and for other teams they may.
Need space if you kind of think About, the braves,
You Know atlanta braves kind of started this second round
of mixed. Use development they left a Downtown in atlanta
and moved out to the suburbs and created their Own
(08:57):
Like Stepford wives Village or Timpkinville of, braves baseball, and.
Speaker 10 (09:01):
So, you know so teams have.
Speaker 9 (09:03):
Seen that and and the thing with mixed use development
is it's appealing to sports teams because they don't have to.
Share it it's not in the, revenue sharing so this
is money that they keep and so that that has
been a big impetus for joining this kind.
Speaker 10 (09:15):
Of development and you're.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
Talking About, the Bears, The Commanders, carolina Panthers, The Jaguars,
calgary flames, you know renovation there For The, saddle Dome
the Royals And white sox might be on the list
there of doing the. Same thing it, feels like, you
know even when you look At The dallas Mavericks Where
(09:36):
mark Cuban said i'm not a real estate Guy and
i'm going to sell it to real estate people and
then tried to develop around the stadium and then bring in,
a casino it's that the blueprint for what we should expect,
with all, you Know.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
Even wriglely wrigley's got its own sports.
Speaker 9 (09:53):
Book, there yeah and it's it kind of speaks to,
you know and you watch the costs of these are are,
like skyrocketing and it's part part of it is because
more is expected of.
Speaker 10 (10:04):
Venues now, you know you used.
Speaker 9 (10:05):
To have a lowerable, upper deck, you know maybe, some
suites and that has. REALLY shifted, i mean you've got
all kinds of seating products and different types of areas you,
can stand and there's different technologies that allow you to
buy beer faster and. More often and so, you know,
from that from, that standpoint the experience has changed. A
bit what, people expect like how you get in is
(10:28):
often easier than it used. To be and, so yeah
AND so i think what they have always thought about
is you get people to come early and you get
people to. Say later, and again that's the money that
you're generating that you don't have to share with the
other thirty thirty one owners and that's become. Highly appealing
as you, know this this whole thing has become. MORE
competitive i think more of the sports ownership groups are
(10:51):
looking at these as businesses and less of like a whole,
you know status play Thing that i'm going to hand
off to. My kids and so, you're saying like a
lot of new ownership groups that are coming in with very,
different ideas, You Know josh harris With the commanders and
Like the walton Family, with denver which is going to
be added to. THIS list i think they've got a
project that is brewing. Out there so, you know.
Speaker 10 (11:11):
Kind of different ownership groups bringing.
Speaker 9 (11:12):
Different ideas and then just the changes that have happened
with the stand experience over like twenty to thirty years
are really influencing.
Speaker 5 (11:18):
These.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
DESIGNS yeah i go Back To camden yards because they
moved it back into the city and you had the,
waterfront there a, beautiful stadium we had the, warehouse there
Great FAN but i, don't know is that Becoming Obsolete
camden yards that are they going to want to do.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
SOMETHING different.
Speaker 10 (11:38):
I don't think, it's OBSOLETE but i think you could
see more.
Speaker 9 (11:41):
Around it so if you think about what's across the
parking LOT IS M Andt, bank stadium which is another
one of these Where the, ravens played it's. Getting renovated
you've got like this massive parking lot in. Between that
and So if i'm a, Parking lot, i'm like, you
know you're in the crosshairs because it's the lowest, you
know it's the lowest possible use of land is to
is to park. On it and so and if you
think About With camden YARDS an M And T, bank
stadium there's a train that runs right, by it, you
(12:03):
know so if you can get people to use, the
train you can use that parking lot for. SOMETHING else
i would watch a city field. With this, you know
you've got a highly aggressive owner Who's, very uh he's
got some change and they've got, you know probably one
of the best public transit setups IN the us for,
public sports for, sports venues and you know he's trying
(12:24):
to build a casino and basically develop those. Parking LOTS
so i Think The camden yards thing is is the
aesthetic and like the vibes there are probably more popular,
than ever but you just got to have something. Beyond
it now it kind of the stadium itself sort of
bleeds into this, next level, you know this.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
Next layer what is the least modern stadium or the?
Worst stadium, Great QUESTION so i, would say so we
were just Talking About.
Speaker 9 (12:54):
Camden Yards camden yards kind of sparked this like REVIVAL
of I don't i don't know the, architectural term but
maybe like neo classical or something. Like that the one
that was built right before THAT was i think it's
Now Called rape field Where The white, sox play and
this is the last of the last stadium before all
the cool, Stadiums basically and so that's that's widely agreed
(13:15):
with one of the just they like, no personality it's
it's there's there's.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
Not much there wasn't that cellular.
Speaker 9 (13:21):
Isn't it it's it was GUARANTEED great.
Speaker 10 (13:24):
Us CELLULAR yeah i, Was, THERE.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Yeah i was there for the last Game at comiski
and one of the first ones at.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
THE cell i. Remember that, YOU know i think charm is.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
The word you're, probably like we want something that has
a little charm, to it a little nostalgia. As well
but what is the best Stadium?
Speaker 5 (13:45):
In america.
Speaker 10 (13:47):
Great questions like, actually modern.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
Modern state let.
Speaker 10 (13:52):
Me add one more to the.
Speaker 9 (13:53):
Worst ones everybody's excited to see what happens WITH the
RFK because I Think FedExField night or or whatever it's,
Called Now northwest Mutual Something northwest stadium is. Widely agreed
it's probably the worst STADIUM in, us sports and in
a location it's out in the middle, of nowhere is nothing.
Speaker 5 (14:08):
Around it, you.
Speaker 9 (14:10):
Know you literally had sewage fall, on people railings, fall
over they. Got SUED so i think everybody is stoke
to see what happens with with them AND potentially rfk the.
Best stadium this is a, great question and it's probably
like a. Bit objective it kind of depends sports, a
sport it's going to.
Speaker 5 (14:26):
Be DIFFERENT but I.
Speaker 9 (14:28):
Think i really love the mid city kind of older.
STYLE ballparks i think. EVERYBODY does i would EVEN say
i would even Say The pittsburgh pirates have a, pretty
strong pretty, strong case which has always cracked, me up
because if you had promotion and Relegation In Major, league baseball,
you know they'd probably they'd probably be A single a team.
By now but because because they don't, get relegated they've
(14:49):
invested in their ballpark and, it's Beautiful The candy yards
is it's definitely. UP there, i mean they're about to
do a major renovation, on it which will. Modernize IT
but i, don't think, YOU know i don't THINK that's
i don't think they're going to touch it any of
the kind of mystique, of it, YOU know.
Speaker 10 (15:03):
I don't i.
Speaker 9 (15:04):
Don't Overly love Benway and wrigley because they're they're really really,
old like so they are, very cramped and, you know
and in terms of somebody who, visits stadiums.
Speaker 10 (15:13):
You know it's not it's not like a great it's
not a. Great, time.
Speaker 9 (15:17):
Yeah that's that's a. GREAT question i Really. Like pittsburgh
it's a great it's a. Great, ballpark brett thanks for.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
Joining us we. Appreciate, it yeah.
Speaker 10 (15:23):
It's fun thanks for, having me, All right.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
Brett McCormick Sports.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
Business journal now you start to look at, THESE stadiums,
i mean it's it's incredible the number of stadiums that
are being built. Or renovated and you go back To
What stan cronk Did In, los angeles even With The Golden, State,
warriors like you want to have something and then you
want apartments. Around it you you want to have things.
Around it and it helps when you have a basketball
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or a, baseball team certainly a, Baseball team so you
get eighty one, days there maybe you get the postseason,
in there but then the other days you want to
be able to get concerts.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
In there you want events.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
In there if you're GOT an, nfl stadium THAT'S where
i understand that you're gonna want. A dome And if
cleveland wants to, move OUT although i love, that location.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
Can't you put a dome on? That STADIUM.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
And i think most financial experts will say the people
who benefit from this are. The owners it's not like
cities do the real estate people and the owners usually
do well. With this, it's, like hey this is gonna,
provide job this is gonna mean and This.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
Is, i'm, like, Okay.
Speaker 4 (16:36):
Okay so what we're gonna do is take this teams
out of the city and then build a new stadium
to build a city around the new stadium that we
took out of.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
The, CITY yeah i.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
DON'T agree i don't KNOW if i want to go
to the SUBURBS where. I, go hey, come, on kids
we're going to the suburbs that you're going to go
out there to a restaurant in the suburbs if you
live twenty, miles away.
Speaker 4 (16:57):
They're typically not You Know michelin star restaurants that they
put around.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
These, Things, Yeah Hey gordon ramsey opened up a new.
Restaurant here, let's.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
Go, kid yeah it's Called. A plebe's oh, all right
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Patrick show, jermaine O'Neil head Coach Of Dynamic prep Academy, In.
Irving texas he played eighteen seasons IN, the nba played
for seven, different teams and back in nineteen, ninety six
seventeenth pick overall By The Portland. Trail, blazers jermaine good
to catch up with. You again take me back to that.
Draft night what were you seventeen years of age? Back,
(18:30):
THEN yeah i.
Speaker 6 (18:32):
Was seventeen first, Of, ALL dan i appreciate you having,
me BACK so i was good to see and talk.
Speaker 5 (18:36):
To you but it was a pretty.
Speaker 6 (18:40):
Amazing, night obviously back then the rules were a lot different.
From perspective once you made, yourself eligible it was no
time period where you can go through the. Draft process, it,
was hey, you commit you make yourself eligible for.
Speaker 5 (18:51):
The draft, you know you for feed your.
Speaker 6 (18:53):
College eligibility and it was nerve wracking obviously as a
seventeen year old and not really knowing what the. Process
IS but i was truly blessed to have a guy
In marn tellham who was my agent And UH. Son,
p carrol, you know who went through the process with
me and helped educate educate me about the, you know
the PROCESS that i was about to.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
Go, into okay but seventeen on, the, road.
Speaker 5 (19:17):
Right, SO listen i got to. Say this, you Know.
Speaker 6 (19:22):
The Portland trail blazers did an amazing job on being
prepared for a seventeen year old and all of. My
teammates they made SURE that i they did things with
me on the road that you know that made sense
for my age and and they were prepared for me to.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
Get there how did they?
Speaker 2 (19:39):
Prepare you because there's a lot of things that can
go wrong on, the road no matter, how old you.
Speaker 6 (19:44):
Are one, hundred PERCENT though i think a lot of It,
IS honestly i stuck with the core values of how
my mother, raised me making SURE that i understood what
my purpose WAS when i. Got, THERE obviously i knew
the task of trying to become a professional athlete and
a good professional athlete in basketball was, very difficult, you
know because of that big age gap. And transition but,
(20:05):
you know my focus was, you know, you know always
proved not only to the people that were SAYING that
i wasn't a great draft pick at, the time but,
you know for myself most IMPORTANTLY that.
Speaker 5 (20:13):
I KNEW what.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
I Was cooper flag's going in that, same age that
same Age. As lebron what advice would you?
Speaker 8 (20:21):
Give?
Speaker 6 (20:21):
Him man just, you know obviously things a lot different
now from a perspective of social, social media and we're
seeing this impact on how social makes.
Speaker 5 (20:30):
People feel he has to be able to give hisself
some grace.
Speaker 6 (20:33):
As well, YOU know i was just a lot of
pressure being the number, one pick going to a situation that,
you know he lost another really, good player so people
are expecting him to come in and feel.
Speaker 5 (20:43):
A void he needs to really just focus on what
he can do.
Speaker 6 (20:46):
In his development and give itself grace over a period
of time that he has to understand the transition from
college TO.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
The nba you Coached Against, COOPER flag, i did you
know quite.
Speaker 6 (20:58):
A bit, you know he's he was in my sons
that originally the twenty twenty, five class and then he.
RECLASSED up i think it's after his. Junior Year but
i've been Coaching, against cooper, you know since seventh.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
Eighth grade and what did? You see when did you?
See it?
Speaker 5 (21:17):
You know the first thing that jumped out to me.
Speaker 6 (21:19):
Right away used to WEAR these i Called The patrick
ewing knee pass all.
Speaker 5 (21:23):
The time and he was. A kid i, was like
why why is?
Speaker 3 (21:26):
This kid.
Speaker 5 (21:28):
But his?
Speaker 6 (21:29):
Talent level he always had, ball skills, you know bring the,
ball up, you know beat people off. The dribble he's.
Always athletic. You know the THING that i Loved, about
COOPER and i, told him listen To LAST nike YbO
game that you KNOW that i coached, against, him men
is that he approached the game the. Right way he's never,
sped up he's never shot. Chasing right he can impact.
(21:51):
The GAME but i didn't even have the ball in.
His hand how, you know, he defends how he, blocks
shots how, he rebounds how he communicates.
Speaker 5 (21:58):
His Team so i'm deaf and looking for great things
for his kid in.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
His Career but carmelo came out on A podcast i
think he might have Been With, paul george and he
Said that cooper doesn't have, the bag like he doesn't
have that. Signature MOVE and, i said but he does.
EVERYTHING else, i mean, he's seventeen eighteen years. OF age
i don't expect him to have that signature move. Right
away did you see like he can always be a,
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better shooter, deeper shooter but it feels like he can go,
inside out doesn't mind contact those kind. Of things, but
offensively what would you suggest he needs to work on?
Speaker 6 (22:37):
The shooting OBVIOUSLY the nba is about, shooting now so the.
Consistent shooting obviously the three point line is a little
bit deeper than. The COLLEGE but i would Agree. With, Carmelo,
carmelo actually You Know KYENE is i was in that,
same class so, you know we've been seeing each Other
the joe for a very. Long time but, from perspective
it's important that he understands that he doesn't have to
be anybody else.
Speaker 5 (22:57):
But, Himself right he's Like a swiss, army.
Speaker 6 (23:00):
Knife right he has so many different things that he
can bring to the table and he just needs to focus.
On that, you know he doesn't have a, flashy bag
but his flashes.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
His impact i'm Talking to, jermaine, O'Neil head Coach Of
Dynamic prep Academy, In irving texas and spend eighteen seasons IN.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
The nba do you have.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
A theory on why we've Seen these? Achilles tears.
Speaker 5 (23:23):
That's interesting we've been talking to talking a lot.
Speaker 6 (23:25):
ABOUT this, i think, you know one of the things
that people, talk about, you know, the pace and the
pace is. REALLY fast i think, from perspective, you know
the days, of practicing, you know like. Really practicing, you
know they don't practice, as, much right they have, more
downtime and when you look at, the pace you know
of how fast, they're PLAYING and i don't know if
the body's as conditioned to play at.
Speaker 5 (23:48):
That pace so they have a lot of, rest days
not a lot of.
Speaker 6 (23:51):
Contact days and so from a perspective, of like, you
know being able to be conditioned for that quick twitch
to change, your possession, you know that is SOMETHING that
i think has has a lot to do.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
With it your kids ask about who you played against
or you're welcome TO the? Nba moment Did they they
want to know what was it like guarding or being?
Guarded by who's? The player of players they, ASK about
i don't.
Speaker 6 (24:17):
Think the kids Really ask they always ask about how was?
It right it's always the question of how was it
to play in, The league and, you know how was
to play against, you know Guys like Shaq and kobe
and And was Lebron And. Michael jordan i've been able
to play against, you know all.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
Of them but what was your welcome TO the? Nba
moment Mm Hmm keema lodge One, in houston, and uh
that was not.
Speaker 5 (24:42):
A great matchup. For me.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
It wasn't a great matchup for a lot of guys Your,
main yeah.
Speaker 6 (24:49):
You know and it's, So, FUNNY dan i don't think
people talk enough about a king Like the king is literally.
Speaker 5 (24:55):
He was he had, the footwork he had, the moves,
you know he.
Speaker 6 (24:59):
Had the I'M shot i mean obviously he's all time,
shot blocking, you know leader you know IN. THE nba
i mean he just impacted the game and so many
times and. Many times, you know people don't give him
a lot of credit, to us but he was fasting
a lot in his career and it's hard to do
and play at, that level, you know not being able to.
Speaker 5 (25:17):
Eat, before games eating through, you know eat through a period.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Of, TIME yeah i think, he's underrated like because we
look at the big man and then it's old by the,
oh yeah then A chem. Elijah on but, you know,
HIS footwork i think soccer really. HELPED him i thought
his footwork was impeccable for a.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
Big man he's just dance.
Speaker 6 (25:36):
With people and, YOU know i remember killing in the
GAME and i try to give him all of, my
files right and it was wasn't in the game to
sub somebody else in.
Speaker 5 (25:46):
Foul trouble it's eighteen. Years old. It was it. Was
ridiculous but, you know he's a GUY that.
Speaker 6 (25:52):
I always liked to watch because he was almost impossible.
To guard, you know he can hit you, with anything
and he was like. A ballerina i think he just
danced with you at.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
All times, jordan's uh take advantage.
Speaker 5 (26:03):
Of You now i've had a chance to.
Speaker 6 (26:07):
Guard Him but Jordan is people always have this conversation about,
you know. The greatest and first, Of all i'm, you
know these are these guys are, all great, you know
within their own, you know their own uh you, Know
Games but jordan himself had a DIFFERENT or i remember
being In An all star game and obviously you've been
in the locker room and, it's like, you know everybody's
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his best players in, the, world right and we, consider ourselves,
you know so the best you know IN. The Nba
and jordan's always come in a little, bit, Late right he's,
a lad but you can hear. Him coming AND what
i mean, by that you hear it's kind of like
the noise and then you hit the cameras and then
he walks into the locker room and everybody just stopped
talking and just he just walks by and he'll be.
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Just looking he was almost like, a god, you know to,
be honest and, you know he's done so.
Speaker 5 (26:54):
Much for, the.
Speaker 6 (26:55):
Game MAN but i think his impact generationally has just
been something that we, hadn't seen you.
Speaker 3 (26:59):
Know Before did kobe have? THAT too.
Speaker 6 (27:03):
I think kobe, had it, YOU know i think, you
Know obviously lebron has it, as well but they don't.
Speaker 5 (27:07):
Have it was like it's like great AND is a
AND then B.
Speaker 6 (27:13):
And c you Know what i'm saying from a perspective
of like how we, as players, you know when we, see,
him right, YOU know i grew Up, with kobe so,
you know we're in the same high, school CLASS so
i didn't necessarily.
Speaker 5 (27:24):
Look at him.
Speaker 6 (27:25):
That way, You Know michael jordan is the one, THAT really,
i think, you know really TOOK the, nba to, you
know the.
Speaker 5 (27:32):
Next level, you know with.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
His starting mike has a mystery.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
About him, you know there's not a Mystery, with lebron
maybe not a Mystery.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
With kobe What was kobe like though you faced him?
Speaker 6 (27:44):
In, camps, Yeah yeah we've been facing each other since we.
Were Thirteen and kobe was always dedicated. To basketball AND
what i mean by that is like he he literally
didn't carried around a Lot Of michael, Jordan taates like
he would not do the typical things that we would do.
At camps he wouldn't really hang. Out much he was,
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always studying. Always STUDYING so i wasn't surprised to see
the type of career that he had because he wanted
to sacrifice other things just to make sure he was
considered one of the graces.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
EVER play i remember Talking To rick fox some Of
the lakers and they were out at a BAR and,
i Said where's Kobe And. Derek fisher, they LAUGHED and,
i go why? You're laughing, they go he didn't. Go
out he stays in. His room, i'm, Like, okay, SO.
Speaker 5 (28:40):
Yeah i, THINK then i think that was the.
Speaker 6 (28:41):
Biggest thing like early in, his career you heard a
lot of noise about he wasn't a, great, TEAMMATE right,
i mean people didn't know a lot about him on his,
own TEAM and i think some of that was.
Speaker 5 (28:53):
That was his, genetic.
Speaker 6 (28:55):
Makeup right he was, always, Studying right he's, always preparing,
and yeah to, a point it was almost too, you
know a default when it came to how people perceive
his own teammates proceeding because, they didn't, you know get
a chance to hang out. With them and that's one
of the things that we always do on. The team
we are always around. Each other and if you don't see,
your teammate then you your, mindset, is hey he doesn't
want to be, around us or you know.
Speaker 5 (29:16):
Something else but he was always studying.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
And Preparing This dame lillard situation is really interesting. For
Me the bucks are going to pay him one hundred
million dollars to, Not play he's going, To rehab he's
going to be. THIRTY six i think it's, a huge
huge Opportunity For dame lillard in a team that will
get him next spring when he's healthy and could be
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helping a team in. The playoffs your thoughts on What
the bucks Did And dame, Lillard's, future, Well one i'm.
Speaker 5 (29:48):
Not surprised you know about the.
Speaker 6 (29:49):
Business now Obviously the apron tax your threshold now is in,
full effect so teams are trying to figure out ways
to maneuver. Around that so things like this is probably
this is probably not gonna be, you know last time
we see something. Like this but From A dame, LILLARD
perspective i think he now has a true opportunity to
win a championship now because now he gets you just
(30:11):
have To have he doesn't have to rush back to
figure out free agency or, you know whatever it. May
be he can really take his time and really evaluate,
each roster evaluate his. Best fit and, you know for
a player that gets a chance to basically sit out a.
Speaker 5 (30:26):
Year, AND prepare i mean that's an.
Speaker 6 (30:27):
Amazing opportunity and by the way still get paid over
the next five years twenty plus million dollars from a
team that you don't.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
Play for did people think you were Related? To, shank
yeah all.
Speaker 6 (30:38):
The time it's funny because Me and shack have family Members,
in southron so we did talk a little bit.
Speaker 5 (30:42):
About IT but i get that question all.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
The time what was it like to? Guard him?
Speaker 6 (30:50):
Very difficult, YOU know i Really believe shaq is he's
a special. Human, being obviously he's, a giant, incredibly strong,
very kind HARD and i think even to, a point
is as dominant as he as he was in his
career and probably one of the most maybe the most
dominant player at that position we've. Ever seen, you know
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he really cared, about people and sometimes he will pull
up a little bit if he liked you in, the
game and, you know.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
He's just what do, you mean how would you he
wasn't taken?
Speaker 5 (31:21):
To, you well, he will you, could tell like, he
will he.
Speaker 6 (31:25):
Won't like it's certain players that you knew he, didn't,
Like right and you can tell from start, to, Finish
right and then you get.
Speaker 5 (31:31):
In games sometimes you see him talking and.
Speaker 6 (31:33):
Laughing with the guys that he's competing AGAINST and i
think some of it was to respect for, other people
but also to, You.
Speaker 5 (31:39):
KNOW shaq I think shock understood just how strong.
Speaker 6 (31:41):
He was i've never ever seen or played against a person,
that size that nimble and. That, strong uh and he
could really probably just, you know people wouldn't grabbing him all.
Speaker 5 (31:53):
The time, you know he had, great.
Speaker 6 (31:55):
Composure but he could have really just dominated people if
he really wanted to just.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
Destroy Everybody the pacers, moving forward it almost feels like
they might be taking this next year Off with haliburton
Hurt And miles turner goes to.
Speaker 3 (32:08):
The box what do?
Speaker 2 (32:10):
You think, you know You, got celtics, They're Damaged the
knicks are going to, be There the cabs are going to.
Speaker 3 (32:17):
Be there seventy six ers.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
Aren't MUCH but, i Mean the pacers were a feel
good story and then all of, a sudden now You're
without haliburton and you're going to Be Without.
Speaker 3 (32:28):
Miles, turner.
Speaker 5 (32:31):
Yeah it's one of those things in really.
Speaker 6 (32:34):
Pro sports but, you KNOW you i was rooting For
the pacers to, win IT and i thought that they
could win it if it wasn't for.
Speaker 5 (32:42):
That injury but.
Speaker 6 (32:45):
Like you, Never know like in, this business you have
to almost be all in you know in the year
that you can you can you know you can, get
there because things like an injury or, you know or
a coaching change or a key player going to a,
different team it derails it and it doesn't really guarante he,
you know you you'll get. Back there, you know hell
That was it took twenty five years to get to that.
Point AGAIN so i do believe that it's an opportunity
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for some of the other young teams with all the
injuries you know that, we've had, you know late season
with guy's been out all of, next year Like The,
orlando Magic The. TORONTO raptors I think i Think the
sixers can get back if, they're healthy, you.
Speaker 5 (33:24):
Know dominant but, you know.
Speaker 3 (33:26):
We'll see when's the lasestime? You, dunked.
Speaker 5 (33:30):
Uh probably a couple maybe a month or.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
So ago, oh okay just showing off, AND.
Speaker 6 (33:38):
Listen i can go to a right league right now
and leading. AND scoring i PROMISE you. I. Could, GOOD
yeah i still try to stay in pretty good shape
and believe it, or not EVERY year i have kids
off from my school or my club that wants to
challenge me one. On one i'm the old guy that
they seem to think that they can beat and have to.
(33:59):
Remind THEM and i got paid to do this for,
a career, you Know so i'm not gonna allow a teenager.
Speaker 3 (34:05):
To be could you so you Could Beat cooper flag one?
On ONE so.
Speaker 5 (34:10):
I didn't i didn't say all.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
Of, that okay, all right it felt like you were
on the verge of.
Speaker 3 (34:18):
Saying, That no i'm not saying all of that.
Speaker 6 (34:20):
Right, now okay THERE'S what i will tell YOU if
i had if we had a possession game where we
were playing mid posts to posts and we're going to
let's call it five to one, ON one i like.
Speaker 3 (34:30):
My, chances OKAY.
Speaker 4 (34:34):
Then.
Speaker 5 (34:35):
I don't i don't like your response. On that though
you have no faith, IN me.
Speaker 3 (34:39):
I don't have to.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
SEE it, i mean what are you, forty five, forty six?
Forty six and if we're just paying playing in, the,
post yeah you're you're going To Dominate.
Speaker 6 (34:52):
Cooper, Flag listen I'M saying i will be ABLE to
i like my chances against anybody in the post at. This,
point now if we're talking about playing, Full court i'm not,
Doing That like i'm gonna lose.
Speaker 5 (35:06):
That battle these legs don't have that.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
Much, gas OKAY if i have You against Victor winbin
yama right now in the post.
Speaker 3 (35:15):
And we're just, straight, posts yes, Post, work, YEAH yeah.
Speaker 5 (35:18):
I think i got. A chance I, do, okay ABSOLUTELY
then i can, RIGHT now i can, work again Let's beat, That's.
Speaker 3 (35:28):
Okay okay you know how these these comments go when.
Speaker 8 (35:31):
You say you gotta?
Speaker 3 (35:32):
GO viral, i, Know.
Speaker 6 (35:33):
Right, so listen if we, just, said hey don't we
bo on, the post we go one on one versus
me garden and and and me having, OFFENSIVE possessions i
still like my chances against ANYBODY because i still am
pretty nimble from a perspective of being able. To, play
now if it goes to like going up and down
the court and screening rolls and all, that stuff yeah
you can take me out. Of that but if it's mono,
(35:54):
and mono let's, POST up I think i got.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
A chance so You'd beat lebron if you. Post up.
Speaker 5 (36:03):
Then this IS.
Speaker 6 (36:05):
Because i believe THAT if i had the ball and
if we plan just straight, post, UP yeah.
Speaker 5 (36:12):
I Believe that i'm. Strong.
Speaker 6 (36:13):
ENOUGH still I think i'm still agile enough to score
in the low POSTS because i do it.
Speaker 5 (36:19):
EVERY year i still go on to. Basketball quest still,
you know. Do things.
Speaker 6 (36:22):
I'm listening i'm sure if You Ask joe johnson, these,
things right you ask any of the older guys that still,
work out they're going to tell you the. Same thing
but they're not going, to, SAY look i can run
up and down the court with, these guys because.
Speaker 5 (36:33):
We're not we can't.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
Do that so you Could dominate lebron in, the post
is what, you're Saying and cooper flag you can. DOMINATE
him i said that VICTORIN be i just want to
MAKE sure i got this right.
Speaker 3 (36:44):
FOR me i just Want to.
Speaker 6 (36:46):
I'm SAYING that I have i FEEL like i have
a chance to win a one on one in the
low POST like ut win it, or not. We'll see
but if we're talking about just playing one on one in,
the post THERE'S something i do, every, YEAR right i
still still work out quite.
Speaker 3 (37:02):
A Bit and lebron's not that much younger.
Speaker 6 (37:04):
Than you so and men shout Out to, lebron, too
then like forty plus years old doing what.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
He's. Doing amazing great to talk to. You again keep
working on the low, Post, MOVES okay.
Speaker 5 (37:19):
I will i. Appreciate it In.
Speaker 2 (37:21):
That's, jermaine O'Neill head Coach Of Dynamic prep Academy, In.
Irving texas it didn't matter WHAT name i. Threw out
you could just see he's just. Processing it IT'S like
i like. My, Chances, yes mark but.
Speaker 8 (37:36):
We talked about that yesterday when, You, said Hey Does
james harden think he's better than so? And so these
guys they're. Wired, DIFFERENT yes.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
I Still want lebron to Say, to katie do you
think you're better?
Speaker 3 (37:48):
Than me on? That, podcast damn that would be a. Great,
question yes.
Speaker 4 (37:52):
But these kids don't play The way, jermaine O'Neill guys
like him grew, up. Playing right they don't play that
post sort of banging bodies kind. Of, thing, heck yeah
he Could Push. Cooper flag he's gonna he can. Look
on he Can Push victor. Wembenyama around, heck yet he's.
Speaker 3 (38:09):
Not Gonna push.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
Lebron around Maybe, Not OKAY but i like THE confidence i,
have that, you know blind drunk.
Speaker 3 (38:15):
Confidence too take a break back, after.
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This Story The cleveland Brown's insider Mary. Kay cabot she
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Speaker 5 (38:45):
Excuse me.
Speaker 2 (38:49):
According to Mary, Kay Cabot deshaun watson has been an
awesome teammate inside the, quarterback room most, meeting rooms a
great cheerleader for the.
Speaker 3 (38:58):
Four quarterbacks buying for the. Starting john.
Speaker 5 (39:01):
What could?
Speaker 3 (39:02):
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Speaker 2 (39:05):
And in Fairness To, deshaun watson maybe he truly is
going To Help shadoor sanders be, a quarterback. Be PROFESSIONAL
and i know you're going to say from a guy who,
wasn't professional but he was a very good quarterback at,
one point he was a very. Good quarterback i'll probably
get a little intel In The, cleveland browns if, not today,
(39:28):
maybe tomorrow maybe a little bit More because i'm reading
varying reports there about you know who's, the favorite and,
you know Is It? Kenny pickett which it Feels Like
kenny pickett might be the leader in. The clubhouse but
that's just to start. The season keep, in Mind the
browns have two first round picks, next year just, you
know you put that out there of maybe they don't have.
(39:52):
Their quarterback greatest week? In sports who had the greatest week? In,
Sports todd i'll start. With you the best week, In
sports i'm giving IT To sg they signs a new,
four year two hundred and eighty five Million dollars.
Speaker 8 (40:02):
Supermax extension his salary will steadily in christmsword reaches seventy
eight million during the thirty thirty. One season according to our,
Guest Yesterday Bobby Marks.
Speaker 3 (40:09):
Satan dame it's not. Even close and you know that's a.
Speaker 4 (40:13):
Great week You got paide a gajillion dollars to go wherever,
he wants march my word.
Speaker 3 (40:18):
Next spring. He's Healthy Marvin.
Speaker 8 (40:23):
Miles turner signing it a nice big deal after a
long career With.
Speaker 5 (40:26):
The pacers good, for.
Speaker 3 (40:27):
Him, All. Right paul best week? In sports i'll Go
With pittsburgh.
Speaker 7 (40:31):
Steeler fans it feels like your team has a, new
URGENCY and i think they had a nice month off.
Speaker 9 (40:36):
The.
Speaker 3 (40:36):
FIELD yeah i just NEED.
Speaker 2 (40:39):
The tj watts situation to, be rectified, because look If
the bengals Bring Back, trey hendrickson they finally get him,
in camp and what, Is It shamar stewart and he,
comes In the bengals are going to be there to
win that division if those two. THINGS happen i really
believe that they will be there at. The end with
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that offense and you get a little bit of, defense
there all you have to do is be middle of
the pack because that offense is going to. Be Elite
final hour on the way our Good Buddy, jim JACKSON former.
Nba player lots of things to talk about. WITH him
I enjoyed. GERMAINE O'Neil i hope you enjoyed it. As
well had a great appearance last time he was on.
(41:25):
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the program, Seaton.
Speaker 4 (00:41):
If you were Damian Lillard, would you consider retiring right now?
Last I check those poll results, it was an overwhelming no.
Speaker 5 (00:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
I'm getting paid one hundred million dollars to not play
for the bus. I have to rehab. By the time
I'm ready to play, I'll be thirty six.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
That's not old. That's I mean Durant's doing it. Why
can't Dame Lillard?
Speaker 5 (01:05):
Now?
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Granted, Durant's seven feet tall, so you know he can
still get his shot off. By the way, Lebron James
had Kevin Durant on his podcast and he talked about
Kevin Durant every time he takes a shot.
Speaker 6 (01:19):
So if you guys in our league that you believe
every time they shoot the balls going and Katie is
one of those guys, that's a lot of pressure.
Speaker 5 (01:29):
It is it is, it is. Listen, you shoot the ball.
When Steph shoot the ball and Steph.
Speaker 6 (01:35):
Get a look, you just you don't think it's going
You don't think he's gonna miss.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Trying to think who else would be on that list.
I agree Katie and Steph when they shoot, I think
it's going in. Is there somebody where you go? He's
right in that.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
Category where it's weird when they miss. Yes, Yes, Paul Peek.
Speaker 7 (01:53):
Ray Allen when he was spotted up at the end
of his career.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Yeah, but I mean now, oh, I'm sorry, Marvin.
Speaker 8 (01:58):
Still, Klay Thompson, he's wide open cash Okay.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Not many guys on that list. When they're open, when
they shoot, they make I always thought whenever Kareem shot
the sky.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
Hook, it was going in.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
That That's probably the first guy that I can remember
when he shot it was going in.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
Yes.
Speaker 8 (02:22):
Marmon mid range with Shay.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Nh Okay, I need a little larger sample size maybe
on that.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
I mean, Katie's been doing this for a long long time.
Speaker 8 (02:35):
So you need people ten years plus.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
No, it doesn't have to be ten. But you don't
give me a good seven years six seven years. But
you're right, I mean Shay, But Shay, his shots are
contested from the standpoint of who's guarding him. Is probably
his size, maybe a little taller. Kevin Durant's seven feet tall.
They may list him at six'. Nine he's seven feet.
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Tall if you see him next To. Lebron lebron's supposed
to be six' nine kd Seven.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
Feet Yes Does anthony edwards get into that list at?
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Some, point, HMM oh i guess, he CAN but i
don't look him as a bucket. Like that he's pretty.
Close though he nobody's Close TO Stephan. Kd open look
those guys even CONTESTED. For kd he's scoring because it's
rare if you're going to get a piece of. HIS
(03:30):
shot I remember Anthony uh sion who was it just
got Traded. From Portland does Simon's uh He blocked kd's shot?
One TIME and i remember seeing, the highlight it, WAS
like i gotta watch. That again but he blocked his
shot maybe last year of the, year BEFORE and i
was shocked like, a Jumper, LIKE dirk i don't you
(03:52):
know he seven footer fading away.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
Really tough to block. That, Shot, yes paully it's a.
Speaker 7 (03:57):
Different shot But When jalen brunson Of the knicks does
that little across into the middle and it's about ten
eleven feet and he has an open eye on it
and it, Rims out, you're, like, oh yeah it's.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
A Surprise but Katie and steph are in a category all.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
TIME category i always Thought whenever bird had a wide,
open shot it was. Going in i'd put him on that,
LIST too pauli Talked About ray allen. Wide, Open yes
i'd put him on that. List too anybody else you
can Think of marv like, wide open where, you go that's.
A bucket now we're TALKING. About kd, you know somebody
(04:34):
contesting him and it always feels like it's.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
Going, In.
Speaker 7 (04:38):
Yeah paul steph is the one, seed though when you
see him going around and it doesn't go in and the,
crowd does, oh, Yeah, Yes marv.
Speaker 8 (04:45):
And there's nothing worse than watching the, opposite uh the
opposing coaches going how is? He OPEN.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
But i can go back to When the lakers Played
the Celtics and magic hits the sky Hook the celtics all.
Time out they run a Play And james worthy is
actually holding On To larry, bird's shirt, his jersey and
He Loses larry bird in the Corner and larry can
win the game from the corner and he misses, the
(05:14):
shot and We Had james. Worthy on, he goes oh,
MY god i can't BELIEVE that i lost him and
he could have hit that shot from. The corner kind
of rattles in. And out, all right we'll come up
with the pole question for. Hour two, jermaine O'Neill Former,
all star is going to. Join Us jim jackson stops by.
As well joining us Now is, Brett McCormick Sports. Business
(05:37):
journal he, covers stadiums, fan, experience ticketing he covers. It
all and we were thinking about having, You, on Brett
because i'm looking at What the cleveland What the browns
are doing moving to, the SUBURBS and i guess it's a,
dome STADIUM but i, was wondering when does the stadium
(05:58):
become obsolete in.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
Your eye.
Speaker 9 (06:01):
Great question and thanks for, Having me and as a
Long suffering, HORNETS fan i hope That kahn knoople joins.
Speaker 10 (06:08):
The list you were just. Talking about that is that
is the Prayer.
Speaker 9 (06:11):
In, charlotte, yeah no This is this is The topic
i'm thinking about a lot right now because you have
this cycle of stadiums that are coming up to the
put up or shut.
Speaker 10 (06:22):
UP question.
Speaker 9 (06:23):
I guess so these stadiums built between nineteen ninety five
and two thousand, And five you've Got, Like, Jacksonville, Charlotte.
HOUSTON denver, i mean there's probably a dozen. Of them
and it's the kind of the critical juncture, of where,
you know architecturally and, engineering wise you look at should
we renovate this or should we build a?
Speaker 10 (06:42):
New stadium and.
Speaker 9 (06:44):
YOU know i don't write about the, you know whether
these should be financed, by who or whether it's a
good investment, Or what but that is about the lifespan
is twenty to twenty. Five years you're really studying should
we build a new stadium in a different location or
should we renovate what? We've got and you've got all
of the above going on right now and a lot
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of those decisions are dictated. By location, you know is
it in the urban area or is it developable around it.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
Or whatever THAT'S why i Understand. The browns if you
want to do a, DOME stadium i. Get that but
where that's located is great in my opinion having, been
there and it feels like you could develop. AROUND that
i guess if. You want i've Been to foxboro Where the.
PATRIOTS play i mean they try to set up, something, there,
(07:33):
like hey come Out. To foxboro will you Go to
foxborough to See? The patriots you're not going to go to,
You know Dave and buster's There, or applebee's bring the
kids and let's go twenty miles.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
Or something.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
You Know the bears are moving out of downtown. As
well is that a dome stadium?
Speaker 3 (07:50):
As well.
Speaker 6 (07:53):
That's a.
Speaker 9 (07:53):
GOOD question i haven't seen the, design yet but so
what they're looking for. Is SPACE so i think With the,
CLEVELAND waterfront i think there is an issue that it's
difficult to develop down there because of some roads and
the way it's. Set up but you would think that in,
Both cases Chicago, and cleveland that the waterfront would be difficult.
To BEAT but i think what they're looking for, is
space and it kind of speaks to one of the
(08:13):
trends that's happening. In sports venue designed right now more with,
other sports, especially baseball where you've got people come into.
Eighty games it's a little different WITH, the nfl but
what they're trying to do is set up a stadium
as a hub of a district where again you have, people,
living working. And playing and that's what they're looking for.
Is space and so.
Speaker 10 (08:34):
It is kind OF.
Speaker 9 (08:37):
When i talk, about location the location for certain teams
can be, you know in an urban setting downtown in
the midst, of everything and for other teams they may.
Need space if you kind of think About, the braves,
You Know atlanta braves kind of started this second round
of mixed. Use development they left a Downtown in atlanta
and moved out to the suburbs and created their Own
(08:57):
Like Stepford wives Village or Timpkinville of, braves baseball, and.
Speaker 10 (09:01):
So, you know so teams have.
Speaker 9 (09:03):
Seen that and and the thing with mixed use development
is it's appealing to sports teams because they don't have to.
Share it it's not in the, revenue sharing so this
is money that they keep and so that that has
been a big impetus for joining this kind.
Speaker 10 (09:15):
Of development and you're.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
Talking About, the Bears, The Commanders, carolina Panthers, The Jaguars,
calgary flames, you know renovation there For The, saddle Dome
the Royals And white sox might be on the list
there of doing the. Same thing it, feels like, you
know even when you look At The dallas Mavericks Where
(09:36):
mark Cuban said i'm not a real estate Guy and
i'm going to sell it to real estate people and
then tried to develop around the stadium and then bring in,
a casino it's that the blueprint for what we should expect,
with all, you Know.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
Even wriglely wrigley's got its own sports.
Speaker 9 (09:53):
Book, there yeah and it's it kind of speaks to,
you know and you watch the costs of these are are,
like skyrocketing and it's part part of it is because
more is expected of.
Speaker 10 (10:04):
Venues now, you know you used.
Speaker 9 (10:05):
To have a lowerable, upper deck, you know maybe, some
suites and that has. REALLY shifted, i mean you've got
all kinds of seating products and different types of areas you,
can stand and there's different technologies that allow you to
buy beer faster and. More often and so, you know,
from that from, that standpoint the experience has changed. A
bit what, people expect like how you get in is
(10:28):
often easier than it used. To be and, so yeah
AND so i think what they have always thought about
is you get people to come early and you get
people to. Say later, and again that's the money that
you're generating that you don't have to share with the
other thirty thirty one owners and that's become. Highly appealing
as you, know this this whole thing has become. MORE
competitive i think more of the sports ownership groups are
(10:51):
looking at these as businesses and less of like a whole,
you know status play Thing that i'm going to hand
off to. My kids and so, you're saying like a
lot of new ownership groups that are coming in with very,
different ideas, You Know josh harris With the commanders and
Like the walton Family, with denver which is going to
be added to. THIS list i think they've got a
project that is brewing. Out there so, you know.
Speaker 10 (11:11):
Kind of different ownership groups bringing.
Speaker 9 (11:12):
Different ideas and then just the changes that have happened
with the stand experience over like twenty to thirty years
are really influencing.
Speaker 5 (11:18):
These.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
DESIGNS yeah i go Back To camden yards because they
moved it back into the city and you had the,
waterfront there a, beautiful stadium we had the, warehouse there
Great FAN but i, don't know is that Becoming Obsolete
camden yards that are they going to want to do.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
SOMETHING different.
Speaker 10 (11:38):
I don't think, it's OBSOLETE but i think you could
see more.
Speaker 9 (11:41):
Around it so if you think about what's across the
parking LOT IS M Andt, bank stadium which is another
one of these Where the, ravens played it's. Getting renovated
you've got like this massive parking lot in. Between that
and So if i'm a, Parking lot, i'm like, you
know you're in the crosshairs because it's the lowest, you
know it's the lowest possible use of land is to
is to park. On it and so and if you
think About With camden YARDS an M And T, bank
stadium there's a train that runs right, by it, you
(12:03):
know so if you can get people to use, the
train you can use that parking lot for. SOMETHING else
i would watch a city field. With this, you know
you've got a highly aggressive owner Who's, very uh he's
got some change and they've got, you know probably one
of the best public transit setups IN the us for,
public sports for, sports venues and you know he's trying
(12:24):
to build a casino and basically develop those. Parking LOTS
so i Think The camden yards thing is is the
aesthetic and like the vibes there are probably more popular,
than ever but you just got to have something. Beyond
it now it kind of the stadium itself sort of
bleeds into this, next level, you know this.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
Next layer what is the least modern stadium or the?
Worst stadium, Great QUESTION so i, would say so we
were just Talking About.
Speaker 9 (12:54):
Camden Yards camden yards kind of sparked this like REVIVAL
of I don't i don't know the, architectural term but
maybe like neo classical or something. Like that the one
that was built right before THAT was i think it's
Now Called rape field Where The white, sox play and
this is the last of the last stadium before all
the cool, Stadiums basically and so that's that's widely agreed
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with one of the just they like, no personality it's
it's there's there's.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
Not much there wasn't that cellular.
Speaker 9 (13:21):
Isn't it it's it was GUARANTEED great.
Speaker 10 (13:24):
Us CELLULAR yeah i, Was, THERE.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Yeah i was there for the last Game at comiski
and one of the first ones at.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
THE cell i. Remember that, YOU know i think charm is.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
The word you're, probably like we want something that has
a little charm, to it a little nostalgia. As well
but what is the best Stadium?
Speaker 5 (13:45):
In america.
Speaker 10 (13:47):
Great questions like, actually modern.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
Modern state let.
Speaker 10 (13:52):
Me add one more to the.
Speaker 9 (13:53):
Worst ones everybody's excited to see what happens WITH the
RFK because I Think FedExField night or or whatever it's,
Called Now northwest Mutual Something northwest stadium is. Widely agreed
it's probably the worst STADIUM in, us sports and in
a location it's out in the middle, of nowhere is nothing.
Speaker 5 (14:08):
Around it, you.
Speaker 9 (14:10):
Know you literally had sewage fall, on people railings, fall
over they. Got SUED so i think everybody is stoke
to see what happens with with them AND potentially rfk the.
Best stadium this is a, great question and it's probably
like a. Bit objective it kind of depends sports, a
sport it's going to.
Speaker 5 (14:26):
Be DIFFERENT but I.
Speaker 9 (14:28):
Think i really love the mid city kind of older.
STYLE ballparks i think. EVERYBODY does i would EVEN say
i would even Say The pittsburgh pirates have a, pretty
strong pretty, strong case which has always cracked, me up
because if you had promotion and Relegation In Major, league baseball,
you know they'd probably they'd probably be A single a team.
By now but because because they don't, get relegated they've
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invested in their ballpark and, it's Beautiful The candy yards
is it's definitely. UP there, i mean they're about to
do a major renovation, on it which will. Modernize IT
but i, don't think, YOU know i don't THINK that's
i don't think they're going to touch it any of
the kind of mystique, of it, YOU know.
Speaker 10 (15:03):
I don't i.
Speaker 9 (15:04):
Don't Overly love Benway and wrigley because they're they're really really,
old like so they are, very cramped and, you know
and in terms of somebody who, visits stadiums.
Speaker 10 (15:13):
You know it's not it's not like a great it's
not a. Great, time.
Speaker 9 (15:17):
Yeah that's that's a. GREAT question i Really. Like pittsburgh
it's a great it's a. Great, ballpark brett thanks for.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
Joining us we. Appreciate, it yeah.
Speaker 10 (15:23):
It's fun thanks for, having me, All right.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
Brett McCormick Sports.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
Business journal now you start to look at, THESE stadiums,
i mean it's it's incredible the number of stadiums that
are being built. Or renovated and you go back To
What stan cronk Did In, los angeles even With The Golden, State,
warriors like you want to have something and then you
want apartments. Around it you you want to have things.
Around it and it helps when you have a basketball
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or a, baseball team certainly a, Baseball team so you
get eighty one, days there maybe you get the postseason,
in there but then the other days you want to
be able to get concerts.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
In there you want events.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
In there if you're GOT an, nfl stadium THAT'S where
i understand that you're gonna want. A dome And if
cleveland wants to, move OUT although i love, that location.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
Can't you put a dome on? That STADIUM.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
And i think most financial experts will say the people
who benefit from this are. The owners it's not like
cities do the real estate people and the owners usually
do well. With this, it's, like hey this is gonna,
provide job this is gonna mean and This.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
Is, i'm, like, Okay.
Speaker 4 (16:36):
Okay so what we're gonna do is take this teams
out of the city and then build a new stadium
to build a city around the new stadium that we
took out of.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
The, CITY yeah i.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
DON'T agree i don't KNOW if i want to go
to the SUBURBS where. I, go hey, come, on kids
we're going to the suburbs that you're going to go
out there to a restaurant in the suburbs if you
live twenty, miles away.
Speaker 4 (16:57):
They're typically not You Know michelin star restaurants that they
put around.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
These, Things, Yeah Hey gordon ramsey opened up a new.
Restaurant here, let's.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
Go, kid yeah it's Called. A plebe's oh, all right
we'll get phone calls. Coming up just.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Getting start at, Hour two, jermaine O'Neil former, nba player will,
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Speaker 3 (18:05):
Hour two dan And the Dan Atge Stan.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
Patrick show, jermaine O'Neil head Coach Of Dynamic prep Academy, In.
Irving texas he played eighteen seasons IN, the nba played
for seven, different teams and back in nineteen, ninety six
seventeenth pick overall By The Portland. Trail, blazers jermaine good
to catch up with. You again take me back to that.
Draft night what were you seventeen years of age? Back,
(18:30):
THEN yeah i.
Speaker 6 (18:32):
Was seventeen first, Of, ALL dan i appreciate you having,
me BACK so i was good to see and talk.
Speaker 5 (18:36):
To you but it was a pretty.
Speaker 6 (18:40):
Amazing, night obviously back then the rules were a lot different.
From perspective once you made, yourself eligible it was no
time period where you can go through the. Draft process, it,
was hey, you commit you make yourself eligible for.
Speaker 5 (18:51):
The draft, you know you for feed your.
Speaker 6 (18:53):
College eligibility and it was nerve wracking obviously as a
seventeen year old and not really knowing what the. Process
IS but i was truly blessed to have a guy
In marn tellham who was my agent And UH. Son,
p carrol, you know who went through the process with
me and helped educate educate me about the, you know
the PROCESS that i was about to.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
Go, into okay but seventeen on, the, road.
Speaker 5 (19:17):
Right, SO listen i got to. Say this, you Know.
Speaker 6 (19:22):
The Portland trail blazers did an amazing job on being
prepared for a seventeen year old and all of. My
teammates they made SURE that i they did things with
me on the road that you know that made sense
for my age and and they were prepared for me to.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
Get there how did they?
Speaker 2 (19:39):
Prepare you because there's a lot of things that can
go wrong on, the road no matter, how old you.
Speaker 6 (19:44):
Are one, hundred PERCENT though i think a lot of It,
IS honestly i stuck with the core values of how
my mother, raised me making SURE that i understood what
my purpose WAS when i. Got, THERE obviously i knew
the task of trying to become a professional athlete and
a good professional athlete in basketball was, very difficult, you
know because of that big age gap. And transition but,
(20:05):
you know my focus was, you know, you know always
proved not only to the people that were SAYING that
i wasn't a great draft pick at, the time but,
you know for myself most IMPORTANTLY that.
Speaker 5 (20:13):
I KNEW what.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
I Was cooper flag's going in that, same age that
same Age. As lebron what advice would you?
Speaker 8 (20:21):
Give?
Speaker 6 (20:21):
Him man just, you know obviously things a lot different
now from a perspective of social, social media and we're
seeing this impact on how social makes.
Speaker 5 (20:30):
People feel he has to be able to give hisself
some grace.
Speaker 6 (20:33):
As well, YOU know i was just a lot of
pressure being the number, one pick going to a situation that,
you know he lost another really, good player so people
are expecting him to come in and feel.
Speaker 5 (20:43):
A void he needs to really just focus on what
he can do.
Speaker 6 (20:46):
In his development and give itself grace over a period
of time that he has to understand the transition from
college TO.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
The nba you Coached Against, COOPER flag, i did you
know quite.
Speaker 6 (20:58):
A bit, you know he's he was in my sons
that originally the twenty twenty, five class and then he.
RECLASSED up i think it's after his. Junior Year but
i've been Coaching, against cooper, you know since seventh.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
Eighth grade and what did? You see when did you?
See it?
Speaker 5 (21:17):
You know the first thing that jumped out to me.
Speaker 6 (21:19):
Right away used to WEAR these i Called The patrick
ewing knee pass all.
Speaker 5 (21:23):
The time and he was. A kid i, was like
why why is?
Speaker 3 (21:26):
This kid.
Speaker 5 (21:28):
But his?
Speaker 6 (21:29):
Talent level he always had, ball skills, you know bring the,
ball up, you know beat people off. The dribble he's.
Always athletic. You know the THING that i Loved, about
COOPER and i, told him listen To LAST nike YbO
game that you KNOW that i coached, against, him men
is that he approached the game the. Right way he's never,
sped up he's never shot. Chasing right he can impact.
(21:51):
The GAME but i didn't even have the ball in.
His hand how, you know, he defends how he, blocks
shots how, he rebounds how he communicates.
Speaker 5 (21:58):
His Team so i'm deaf and looking for great things
for his kid in.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
His Career but carmelo came out on A podcast i
think he might have Been With, paul george and he
Said that cooper doesn't have, the bag like he doesn't
have that. Signature MOVE and, i said but he does.
EVERYTHING else, i mean, he's seventeen eighteen years. OF age
i don't expect him to have that signature move. Right
away did you see like he can always be a,
(22:25):
better shooter, deeper shooter but it feels like he can go,
inside out doesn't mind contact those kind. Of things, but
offensively what would you suggest he needs to work on?
Speaker 6 (22:37):
The shooting OBVIOUSLY the nba is about, shooting now so the.
Consistent shooting obviously the three point line is a little
bit deeper than. The COLLEGE but i would Agree. With, Carmelo,
carmelo actually You Know KYENE is i was in that,
same class so, you know we've been seeing each Other
the joe for a very. Long time but, from perspective
it's important that he understands that he doesn't have to
be anybody else.
Speaker 5 (22:57):
But, Himself right he's Like a swiss, army.
Speaker 6 (23:00):
Knife right he has so many different things that he
can bring to the table and he just needs to focus.
On that, you know he doesn't have a, flashy bag
but his flashes.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
His impact i'm Talking to, jermaine, O'Neil head Coach Of
Dynamic prep Academy, In irving texas and spend eighteen seasons IN.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
The nba do you have.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
A theory on why we've Seen these? Achilles tears.
Speaker 5 (23:23):
That's interesting we've been talking to talking a lot.
Speaker 6 (23:25):
ABOUT this, i think, you know one of the things
that people, talk about, you know, the pace and the
pace is. REALLY fast i think, from perspective, you know
the days, of practicing, you know like. Really practicing, you
know they don't practice, as, much right they have, more
downtime and when you look at, the pace you know
of how fast, they're PLAYING and i don't know if
the body's as conditioned to play at.
Speaker 5 (23:48):
That pace so they have a lot of, rest days
not a lot of.
Speaker 6 (23:51):
Contact days and so from a perspective, of like, you
know being able to be conditioned for that quick twitch
to change, your possession, you know that is SOMETHING that
i think has has a lot to do.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
With it your kids ask about who you played against
or you're welcome TO the? Nba moment Did they they
want to know what was it like guarding or being?
Guarded by who's? The player of players they, ASK about
i don't.
Speaker 6 (24:17):
Think the kids Really ask they always ask about how was?
It right it's always the question of how was it
to play in, The league and, you know how was
to play against, you know Guys like Shaq and kobe
and And was Lebron And. Michael jordan i've been able
to play against, you know all.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
Of them but what was your welcome TO the? Nba
moment Mm Hmm keema lodge One, in houston, and uh
that was not.
Speaker 5 (24:42):
A great matchup. For me.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
It wasn't a great matchup for a lot of guys Your,
main yeah.
Speaker 6 (24:49):
You know and it's, So, FUNNY dan i don't think
people talk enough about a king Like the king is literally.
Speaker 5 (24:55):
He was he had, the footwork he had, the moves,
you know he.
Speaker 6 (24:59):
Had the I'M shot i mean obviously he's all time,
shot blocking, you know leader you know IN. THE nba
i mean he just impacted the game and so many
times and. Many times, you know people don't give him
a lot of credit, to us but he was fasting
a lot in his career and it's hard to do
and play at, that level, you know not being able to.
Speaker 5 (25:17):
Eat, before games eating through, you know eat through a period.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Of, TIME yeah i think, he's underrated like because we
look at the big man and then it's old by the,
oh yeah then A chem. Elijah on but, you know,
HIS footwork i think soccer really. HELPED him i thought
his footwork was impeccable for a.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
Big man he's just dance.
Speaker 6 (25:36):
With people and, YOU know i remember killing in the
GAME and i try to give him all of, my
files right and it was wasn't in the game to
sub somebody else in.
Speaker 5 (25:46):
Foul trouble it's eighteen. Years old. It was it. Was
ridiculous but, you know he's a GUY that.
Speaker 6 (25:52):
I always liked to watch because he was almost impossible.
To guard, you know he can hit you, with anything
and he was like. A ballerina i think he just
danced with you at.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
All times, jordan's uh take advantage.
Speaker 5 (26:03):
Of You now i've had a chance to.
Speaker 6 (26:07):
Guard Him but Jordan is people always have this conversation about,
you know. The greatest and first, Of all i'm, you
know these are these guys are, all great, you know
within their own, you know their own uh you, Know
Games but jordan himself had a DIFFERENT or i remember
being In An all star game and obviously you've been
in the locker room and, it's like, you know everybody's
(26:28):
his best players in, the, world right and we, consider ourselves,
you know so the best you know IN. The Nba
and jordan's always come in a little, bit, Late right he's,
a lad but you can hear. Him coming AND what
i mean, by that you hear it's kind of like
the noise and then you hit the cameras and then
he walks into the locker room and everybody just stopped
talking and just he just walks by and he'll be.
(26:49):
Just looking he was almost like, a god, you know to,
be honest and, you know he's done so.
Speaker 5 (26:54):
Much for, the.
Speaker 6 (26:55):
Game MAN but i think his impact generationally has just
been something that we, hadn't seen you.
Speaker 3 (26:59):
Know Before did kobe have? THAT too.
Speaker 6 (27:03):
I think kobe, had it, YOU know i think, you
Know obviously lebron has it, as well but they don't.
Speaker 5 (27:07):
Have it was like it's like great AND is a
AND then B.
Speaker 6 (27:13):
And c you Know what i'm saying from a perspective
of like how we, as players, you know when we, see,
him right, YOU know i grew Up, with kobe so,
you know we're in the same high, school CLASS so
i didn't necessarily.
Speaker 5 (27:24):
Look at him.
Speaker 6 (27:25):
That way, You Know michael jordan is the one, THAT really,
i think, you know really TOOK the, nba to, you
know the.
Speaker 5 (27:32):
Next level, you know with.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
His starting mike has a mystery.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
About him, you know there's not a Mystery, with lebron
maybe not a Mystery.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
With kobe What was kobe like though you faced him?
Speaker 6 (27:44):
In, camps, Yeah yeah we've been facing each other since we.
Were Thirteen and kobe was always dedicated. To basketball AND
what i mean by that is like he he literally
didn't carried around a Lot Of michael, Jordan taates like
he would not do the typical things that we would do.
At camps he wouldn't really hang. Out much he was,
(28:07):
always studying. Always STUDYING so i wasn't surprised to see
the type of career that he had because he wanted
to sacrifice other things just to make sure he was
considered one of the graces.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
EVER play i remember Talking To rick fox some Of
the lakers and they were out at a BAR and,
i Said where's Kobe And. Derek fisher, they LAUGHED and,
i go why? You're laughing, they go he didn't. Go
out he stays in. His room, i'm, Like, okay, SO.
Speaker 5 (28:40):
Yeah i, THINK then i think that was the.
Speaker 6 (28:41):
Biggest thing like early in, his career you heard a
lot of noise about he wasn't a, great, TEAMMATE right,
i mean people didn't know a lot about him on his,
own TEAM and i think some of that was.
Speaker 5 (28:53):
That was his, genetic.
Speaker 6 (28:55):
Makeup right he was, always, Studying right he's, always preparing,
and yeah to, a point it was almost too, you
know a default when it came to how people perceive
his own teammates proceeding because, they didn't, you know get
a chance to hang out. With them and that's one
of the things that we always do on. The team
we are always around. Each other and if you don't see,
your teammate then you your, mindset, is hey he doesn't
want to be, around us or you know.
Speaker 5 (29:16):
Something else but he was always studying.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
And Preparing This dame lillard situation is really interesting. For
Me the bucks are going to pay him one hundred
million dollars to, Not play he's going, To rehab he's
going to be. THIRTY six i think it's, a huge
huge Opportunity For dame lillard in a team that will
get him next spring when he's healthy and could be
(29:40):
helping a team in. The playoffs your thoughts on What
the bucks Did And dame, Lillard's, future, Well one i'm.
Speaker 5 (29:48):
Not surprised you know about the.
Speaker 6 (29:49):
Business now Obviously the apron tax your threshold now is in,
full effect so teams are trying to figure out ways
to maneuver. Around that so things like this is probably
this is probably not gonna be, you know last time
we see something. Like this but From A dame, LILLARD
perspective i think he now has a true opportunity to
win a championship now because now he gets you just
(30:11):
have To have he doesn't have to rush back to
figure out free agency or, you know whatever it. May
be he can really take his time and really evaluate,
each roster evaluate his. Best fit and, you know for
a player that gets a chance to basically sit out a.
Speaker 5 (30:26):
Year, AND prepare i mean that's an.
Speaker 6 (30:27):
Amazing opportunity and by the way still get paid over
the next five years twenty plus million dollars from a
team that you don't.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
Play for did people think you were Related? To, shank
yeah all.
Speaker 6 (30:38):
The time it's funny because Me and shack have family Members,
in southron so we did talk a little bit.
Speaker 5 (30:42):
About IT but i get that question all.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
The time what was it like to? Guard him?
Speaker 6 (30:50):
Very difficult, YOU know i Really believe shaq is he's
a special. Human, being obviously he's, a giant, incredibly strong,
very kind HARD and i think even to, a point
is as dominant as he as he was in his
career and probably one of the most maybe the most
dominant player at that position we've. Ever seen, you know
(31:10):
he really cared, about people and sometimes he will pull
up a little bit if he liked you in, the
game and, you know.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
He's just what do, you mean how would you he
wasn't taken?
Speaker 5 (31:21):
To, you well, he will you, could tell like, he
will he.
Speaker 6 (31:25):
Won't like it's certain players that you knew he, didn't,
Like right and you can tell from start, to, Finish
right and then you get.
Speaker 5 (31:31):
In games sometimes you see him talking and.
Speaker 6 (31:33):
Laughing with the guys that he's competing AGAINST and i
think some of it was to respect for, other people
but also to, You.
Speaker 5 (31:39):
KNOW shaq I think shock understood just how strong.
Speaker 6 (31:41):
He was i've never ever seen or played against a person,
that size that nimble and. That, strong uh and he
could really probably just, you know people wouldn't grabbing him all.
Speaker 5 (31:53):
The time, you know he had, great.
Speaker 6 (31:55):
Composure but he could have really just dominated people if
he really wanted to just.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
Destroy Everybody the pacers, moving forward it almost feels like
they might be taking this next year Off with haliburton
Hurt And miles turner goes to.
Speaker 3 (32:08):
The box what do?
Speaker 2 (32:10):
You think, you know You, got celtics, They're Damaged the
knicks are going to, be There the cabs are going to.
Speaker 3 (32:17):
Be there seventy six ers.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
Aren't MUCH but, i Mean the pacers were a feel
good story and then all of, a sudden now You're
without haliburton and you're going to Be Without.
Speaker 3 (32:28):
Miles, turner.
Speaker 5 (32:31):
Yeah it's one of those things in really.
Speaker 6 (32:34):
Pro sports but, you KNOW you i was rooting For
the pacers to, win IT and i thought that they
could win it if it wasn't for.
Speaker 5 (32:42):
That injury but.
Speaker 6 (32:45):
Like you, Never know like in, this business you have
to almost be all in you know in the year
that you can you can you know you can, get
there because things like an injury or, you know or
a coaching change or a key player going to a,
different team it derails it and it doesn't really guarante he,
you know you you'll get. Back there, you know hell
That was it took twenty five years to get to that.
Point AGAIN so i do believe that it's an opportunity
(33:11):
for some of the other young teams with all the
injuries you know that, we've had, you know late season
with guy's been out all of, next year Like The,
orlando Magic The. TORONTO raptors I think i Think the
sixers can get back if, they're healthy, you.
Speaker 5 (33:24):
Know dominant but, you know.
Speaker 3 (33:26):
We'll see when's the lasestime? You, dunked.
Speaker 5 (33:30):
Uh probably a couple maybe a month or.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
So ago, oh okay just showing off, AND.
Speaker 6 (33:38):
Listen i can go to a right league right now
and leading. AND scoring i PROMISE you. I. Could, GOOD
yeah i still try to stay in pretty good shape
and believe it, or not EVERY year i have kids
off from my school or my club that wants to
challenge me one. On one i'm the old guy that
they seem to think that they can beat and have to.
(33:59):
Remind THEM and i got paid to do this for,
a career, you Know so i'm not gonna allow a teenager.
Speaker 3 (34:05):
To be could you so you Could Beat cooper flag one?
On ONE so.
Speaker 5 (34:10):
I didn't i didn't say all.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
Of, that okay, all right it felt like you were
on the verge of.
Speaker 3 (34:18):
Saying, That no i'm not saying all of that.
Speaker 6 (34:20):
Right, now okay THERE'S what i will tell YOU if
i had if we had a possession game where we
were playing mid posts to posts and we're going to
let's call it five to one, ON one i like.
Speaker 3 (34:30):
My, chances OKAY.
Speaker 4 (34:34):
Then.
Speaker 5 (34:35):
I don't i don't like your response. On that though
you have no faith, IN me.
Speaker 3 (34:39):
I don't have to.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
SEE it, i mean what are you, forty five, forty six?
Forty six and if we're just paying playing in, the,
post yeah you're you're going To Dominate.
Speaker 6 (34:52):
Cooper, Flag listen I'M saying i will be ABLE to
i like my chances against anybody in the post at. This,
point now if we're talking about playing, Full court i'm not,
Doing That like i'm gonna lose.
Speaker 5 (35:06):
That battle these legs don't have that.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
Much, gas OKAY if i have You against Victor winbin
yama right now in the post.
Speaker 3 (35:15):
And we're just, straight, posts yes, Post, work, YEAH yeah.
Speaker 5 (35:18):
I think i got. A chance I, do, okay ABSOLUTELY
then i can, RIGHT now i can, work again Let's beat, That's.
Speaker 3 (35:28):
Okay okay you know how these these comments go when.
Speaker 8 (35:31):
You say you gotta?
Speaker 3 (35:32):
GO viral, i, Know.
Speaker 6 (35:33):
Right, so listen if we, just, said hey don't we
bo on, the post we go one on one versus
me garden and and and me having, OFFENSIVE possessions i
still like my chances against ANYBODY because i still am
pretty nimble from a perspective of being able. To, play
now if it goes to like going up and down
the court and screening rolls and all, that stuff yeah
you can take me out. Of that but if it's mono,
(35:54):
and mono let's, POST up I think i got.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
A chance so You'd beat lebron if you. Post up.
Speaker 5 (36:03):
Then this IS.
Speaker 6 (36:05):
Because i believe THAT if i had the ball and
if we plan just straight, post, UP yeah.
Speaker 5 (36:12):
I Believe that i'm. Strong.
Speaker 6 (36:13):
ENOUGH still I think i'm still agile enough to score
in the low POSTS because i do it.
Speaker 5 (36:19):
EVERY year i still go on to. Basketball quest still,
you know. Do things.
Speaker 6 (36:22):
I'm listening i'm sure if You Ask joe johnson, these,
things right you ask any of the older guys that still,
work out they're going to tell you the. Same thing
but they're not going, to, SAY look i can run
up and down the court with, these guys because.
Speaker 5 (36:33):
We're not we can't.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
Do that so you Could dominate lebron in, the post
is what, you're Saying and cooper flag you can. DOMINATE
him i said that VICTORIN be i just want to
MAKE sure i got this right.
Speaker 3 (36:44):
FOR me i just Want to.
Speaker 6 (36:46):
I'm SAYING that I have i FEEL like i have
a chance to win a one on one in the
low POST like ut win it, or not. We'll see
but if we're talking about just playing one on one in,
the post THERE'S something i do, every, YEAR right i
still still work out quite.
Speaker 3 (37:02):
A Bit and lebron's not that much younger.
Speaker 6 (37:04):
Than you so and men shout Out to, lebron, too
then like forty plus years old doing what.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
He's. Doing amazing great to talk to. You again keep
working on the low, Post, MOVES okay.
Speaker 5 (37:19):
I will i. Appreciate it In.
Speaker 2 (37:21):
That's, jermaine O'Neill head Coach Of Dynamic prep Academy, In.
Irving texas it didn't matter WHAT name i. Threw out
you could just see he's just. Processing it IT'S like
i like. My, Chances, yes mark but.
Speaker 8 (37:36):
We talked about that yesterday when, You, said Hey Does
james harden think he's better than so? And so these
guys they're. Wired, DIFFERENT yes.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
I Still want lebron to Say, to katie do you
think you're better?
Speaker 3 (37:48):
Than me on? That, podcast damn that would be a. Great,
question yes.
Speaker 4 (37:52):
But these kids don't play The way, jermaine O'Neill guys
like him grew, up. Playing right they don't play that
post sort of banging bodies kind. Of, thing, heck yeah
he Could Push. Cooper flag he's gonna he can. Look
on he Can Push victor. Wembenyama around, heck yet he's.
Speaker 3 (38:09):
Not Gonna push.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
Lebron around Maybe, Not OKAY but i like THE confidence i,
have that, you know blind drunk.
Speaker 3 (38:15):
Confidence too take a break back, after.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
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Speaker 2 (38:29):
This Story The cleveland Brown's insider Mary. Kay cabot she
Said That deshaun watson reportedly Has Taken shadoor sanders under.
Speaker 3 (38:42):
His wing.
Speaker 5 (38:45):
Excuse me.
Speaker 2 (38:49):
According to Mary, Kay Cabot deshaun watson has been an
awesome teammate inside the, quarterback room most, meeting rooms a
great cheerleader for the.
Speaker 3 (38:58):
Four quarterbacks buying for the. Starting john.
Speaker 5 (39:01):
What could?
Speaker 3 (39:02):
Go wrong.
Speaker 2 (39:05):
And in Fairness To, deshaun watson maybe he truly is
going To Help shadoor sanders be, a quarterback. Be PROFESSIONAL
and i know you're going to say from a guy who,
wasn't professional but he was a very good quarterback at,
one point he was a very. Good quarterback i'll probably
get a little intel In The, cleveland browns if, not today,
(39:28):
maybe tomorrow maybe a little bit More because i'm reading
varying reports there about you know who's, the favorite and,
you know Is It? Kenny pickett which it Feels Like
kenny pickett might be the leader in. The clubhouse but
that's just to start. The season keep, in Mind the
browns have two first round picks, next year just, you
know you put that out there of maybe they don't have.
(39:52):
Their quarterback greatest week? In sports who had the greatest week? In,
Sports todd i'll start. With you the best week, In
sports i'm giving IT To sg they signs a new,
four year two hundred and eighty five Million dollars.
Speaker 8 (40:02):
Supermax extension his salary will steadily in christmsword reaches seventy
eight million during the thirty thirty. One season according to our,
Guest Yesterday Bobby Marks.
Speaker 3 (40:09):
Satan dame it's not. Even close and you know that's a.
Speaker 4 (40:13):
Great week You got paide a gajillion dollars to go wherever,
he wants march my word.
Speaker 3 (40:18):
Next spring. He's Healthy Marvin.
Speaker 8 (40:23):
Miles turner signing it a nice big deal after a
long career With.
Speaker 5 (40:26):
The pacers good, for.
Speaker 3 (40:27):
Him, All. Right paul best week? In sports i'll Go
With pittsburgh.
Speaker 7 (40:31):
Steeler fans it feels like your team has a, new
URGENCY and i think they had a nice month off.
Speaker 9 (40:36):
The.
Speaker 3 (40:36):
FIELD yeah i just NEED.
Speaker 2 (40:39):
The tj watts situation to, be rectified, because look If
the bengals Bring Back, trey hendrickson they finally get him,
in camp and what, Is It shamar stewart and he,
comes In the bengals are going to be there to
win that division if those two. THINGS happen i really
believe that they will be there at. The end with
(41:01):
that offense and you get a little bit of, defense
there all you have to do is be middle of
the pack because that offense is going to. Be Elite
final hour on the way our Good Buddy, jim JACKSON former.
Nba player lots of things to talk about. WITH him
I enjoyed. GERMAINE O'Neil i hope you enjoyed it. As
well had a great appearance last time he was on.
(41:25):
As Well final hour In, this wednesday right after this
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