Description:What if you were handed a single piece of information that could change everything you think you know about your life?
For this Jen Hatmaker Book Club episode, Jen sits down with novelist Nikki Erlick, author of the wildly imaginative and deeply human novel The Measure—a story that asks one unsettling question: What would you do if you knew exactly how long you had to live?
In The Measure, every adult in the world receives a small wooden box containing a string that reveals the length of their life. What follows isn’t chaos for chaos’ sake, but something far more intimate: marriages tested, dreams deferred or pursued, fears amplified, and love redefined. It’s a novel about mortality, yes—but even more so about meaning, choice, and how we show up for one another when certainty is stripped away.
Jen and Nikki talk about the origin of this unforgettable premise, the emotional weight of writing about death in order to illuminate life, and why the book resonates so deeply with readers navigating grief, anxiety, hope, and big unanswered questions. They explore what The Measure reveals about how we value time, how fear can quietly shape our decisions, and what it might look like to live more honestly—even without guarantees.
Whether you’ve already read along with the book club or are just encountering this story for the first time, this conversation invites you to reflect on your own “measure”—and to consider how love, courage, and presence might matter more than the number of days themselves.
This episode is tender, thought-provoking, and quietly life-altering. Come for the story. Stay for the questions it leaves you asking long after the last page.
Thought-provoking Quotes:
“I was preoccupied with these big questions in life, the things that don't have easy answers or any answers at all. Why do people have different fates? Why do bad things happen to good people? How much power do we actually have over our lives? That inspired me.” – Nikki Erlick
“My process felt like people knocking on the door to my brain at all times, being like, what about me? What about me? I would be an interesting story too. I had to answer the first couple of knocks and bring these new characters in. Once I hit eight or 10, I felt like readers can't handle any more than this.” – Nikki Erlick
“I wanted to pull on everything, for every community that has been marginalized to make this experience feel real for the people in this book.” – Nikki Erlick
“The one thing that doesn't go out of style is hope.”– Nikki Erlick
Resources Mentioned in This Episode:
The Measure: A Novel by Nikki Erlick - https://amzn.to/3OmiJaK
The Poppy Fields: A Novel by Nikki Erlick - https://amzn.to/49ZxdGf
Allen Bradley, author - https://alanbradleyauthor.com/
Sandwich: A Novel by Catherine Newman - https://amzn.to/4a0bOwB
Catherine Newman on the For the Love podcast - https://jenhatmaker.com/podcasts/series-64/august-2025-catherine-newmans-sandwich/
Wreck by Catherine Newman - https://amzn.to/4bvUy3o
This Is Not About Us by Allegra Goodman - https://amzn.to/4qnGIE3
Guest’s Links:
Website - https://www.nikkierlick.com/
Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/nikkierlick/
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