March 28, 2025 • 35 mins
Hour 3 of A&G features...
- Tariffs could up vehicle costs & half of us can't sleep
- Cold plunges for sleep?
- Student visas revoked
- The anxious generation
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio the George
Washington Broadcast Center.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty, I'm.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
Strong and get Katy and he arm Strong and Getty.
Speaker 4 (00:23):
If you look at the cost to produce a vehicle
with a twenty five percent tariff, economist estimate that this
will cost about thirty five hundred dollars to twelve thousand
dollars more per vehicle. And then when we talk about
the consumer, a lot of economists are suggesting that it
could cost upwards of five thousand to fifteen thousand dollars
(00:43):
more per vehicle. But let's take the White House's numbers
on this. According to their fact sheet, a forty thousand
dollars vehicle made in America would cost five thousand dollars
more if that company uses foreign parts.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Yeah, so that kicks in in a couple of days.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
In theory I've been there have been another number of
tariff deadlines that didn't end up occurring when somebody backs
down or perceived as backing down. But if this car
one kicks in.
Speaker 5 (01:15):
It's well, it'll be something to watch.
Speaker 6 (01:19):
Yeah, I just I don't think it's realistic. We don't
have time to really get into it now. But and
Trump is trying to browbeat the US automakers into not
raising prices. I just I don't know that it's realistic
to onshore that much manufacturing for a giant, complicated industry
in the time Trump's going to have because you make
these plans for the next decade, these giant one hundred
(01:44):
million dollar plants or whatever.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
So these two things fit together a little bit. A
story I came across about your phone and being a
distraction and how much it rules all of our lives.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
Oh, that reminds me.
Speaker 6 (01:58):
The one of your anniversary of the fabulous Peter Bagosian
book The Anxious Generation is today, and he's out with
a screen which includes some principles to just adopt in society.
It's like drunk driving at one point was pretty accepted
now it's not at all. And he has some social
principles we all need to adopt, easy to understand that
(02:20):
will save the kids. Anyway, that's later on the hour.
I hope you can stay too.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
I want to hear that because that definitely fits in
with this and the reason I'm looking at this and
tying it in with my whole newfound sleep problems, having
the hardest time sleeping I've ever had in my life,
just kind of started a couple of weeks ago and
trying different things. I did some research on melatonin last night.
(02:45):
First of all, when I started in on this, I
came across all these statistics. So about halfy out there
have trouble sleeping, according to most studies, and so it's
lots of people, so apparently many of you can relate
to this. But man, there's a lot not known about melatonin.
There's all kinds of conflicting studies on that. Whether it
actually does anything is still a bit of an open question.
(03:07):
There must be enough belief that it does, because doctors
have recommended it to me various times, but doctors recommend
things that turn out to be nothing over the years. Also,
But uh, melotone, whether it actually does anything, whether or
not it's addictive or you know, trains your brain to
not produce as much melatonin and gets you into a,
(03:29):
you know, an unproductive cycle, that's unknown. Some people believe
that makes sense. To me, it seems like it almost
certainly would be the case if your brain produces melatonin
but you're taking the melotone in your body says, oh,
we got enough melatonin, let's not produce it, although there
are studies that say no, your brain's going to produce
the same amount of no matter what. So I don't
know melatonin helps you get to sleep in thorty theory.
(03:49):
I know that I have taken melatonin quite a number
of times over the last several months. It makes me
so so tired. I fall asleep, but then like an
hour and a half later I wake up. So last
night I was up at twelve thirty looking at my phone.
How long does meltone last? With various studies saying it's
an hour, some study saying six hours. Don't take it,
it will be groggy all day. Some stady's saying twenty
(04:11):
four hours. So depends on who you ask. I guess, yeah, the.
Speaker 6 (04:14):
Conventional wisdom I've always heard is take it then go
to bed. There is don't fart around for two hours.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
H There doesn't seem to be any conventional wisdom around melatone,
and based in all the studies I was reading last night.
But anyway, uh, I just I took another one, So
like I took one, fell asleep hard, woke up twelve
thirty wide away, didn't want to live that again, went
and took another one, crashed hard, and slept clear to
my alarm, like deep slumber, and it was freaking awesome.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
But you came in today with no pants on, so I.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
Didn't even notice how till now I am pants genitals
are flapping right.
Speaker 6 (04:49):
And I didn't want to say anything, but yeah, it's
been uncomfortable.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Michael hasn't it? He sure has? But I slept well.
But I'll tell you what.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
I hope it's not a diffen bad for your brain,
because that result last night makes me think tonight I'm gonna.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Double it up again. Oh Elvis, I know Michael Jackson right,
for Michael, some.
Speaker 7 (05:10):
Of the milk, some of the melatonin milk, doctor Conrad,
I'm sure it's good for me.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Any who.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
So I'm talking about the whole sleeping thing, and when
I bring it up with people, people keep saying the
same thing, and I keep ignoring it because I don't
want to do it. Are you putting away your phone
at least an hour and a half before you go
to bed?
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Now I'm looking it up.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
I'm looking at it up until the second I go
to sleep every night and there's there's all kinds of
conflicting research on this.
Speaker 5 (05:43):
On how I mean.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
There are studies to say the blue light is absolute
worst thing for you. There are studies that say blue
light's a myth, it doesn't do anything. It's the it's
the being engaged with information that makes you awake, not
the light.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
From your phone. I don't have any idea. I do
know this.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Me and everybody else used to watch television up to
the moment they went to sleep, and it didn't keep
us awake. I don't remember anybody thinking the TV was
stimulating them to the point that was wake, whether I
was watching the.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
News or a movie or sports or whatever.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
Right.
Speaker 6 (06:15):
I don't know if I do this intentionally, but as
you were talking, I was thinking about my pattern, and
it is definitely as the evening progresses, because you know,
I work some in the evening quote unquote, it progresses
from the like intellectual and serious to the purely pleasurable.
And the last hour of my day is always music
(06:37):
or comedy or something like that.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
I just and then I read, and I read all
my books on my phone too, So.
Speaker 5 (06:46):
I just I can't imagine pulling the plug on that.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
I would be really really hard for me to put
my phone in a drawer or something an hour and
a half before betting then go to bed. I mean,
I feel like an addic or something just like it
kind of scares me to even think about it. But
what are you reading like before pad? Is it serious stuff?
Weighty stuff for a long Well, that's all kinds of stuff.
(07:10):
Could be anything, depends on the mood, but that's what
I'm saying. Almost always stuff that porn, Michael. Almost always
stuff I want to use on the show. But it
might be lighthearted stuff like this. I was reading a
study about sleeping. I enjoy that so but I can
use it on the air and then I screen captured
it and highlight it and everything like that for I'm
going to sleep well anyway that brings me to this,
Your phone may not be the problem when it comes
to distraction. In this article, I was just reading where
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they're making the argument, and I just don't know if
I buy this or not that it's the it's the information,
it's the engagement. It's not the it's not the phone itself,
it's not the light. It's just that if you're doing
anything to super get engaged that's addictive behavior and going
to keep you awake, whether it's on.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
Your computer or your phone or any other I.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
Just don't buy that because I never had these before,
and neither did anybody else. As far as I know,
I don't know anybody who said, man, I just I
don't know. I start reading readers Digest at eleven o'clock,
and I think it keeps me up. I need to
put the Reader's Digest down, our Sports Illustrated or watching
TV or anything other than this smartphone stuff.
Speaker 6 (08:16):
Yeah, I guess I just like I said, I deliberately
go from the serious stuff about how to battle Marxism
to some rock stars autobiography for.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
That last half hour hour of the day.
Speaker 6 (08:28):
And it's it's good for me because I noticed you
think that hows you get to sleep one hundred percent. Yeah,
and you know your results may vary. But like I
used to, so, I don't know where it is where
you live.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
It's dark at night where I live, and I have
a black dog and who sleeps in the bedroom, and
so I would use my phone as a night light
to get me to the bathroom during my inevitable middle
of the night stop. As an older fellow, and so
I wouldn't step on poor Baxter.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
And then here here about Flomax, and then uh, I'm fine.
Speaker 6 (09:04):
Uh but so and I would glance at it and
see a headline or two and think, oh, that's interesting.
The talks in Ukraine are breaking down and blah blah blah,
and I would have a terrible time getting back to sleep.
Oh that's looking at a weather forecast.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
Totally totally abandon it. Now, I just look very carefully
for my dog.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Well, that's what that study is basically saying.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
It's the information, not the device or light or anything
like that.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
I'm saying, amen.
Speaker 5 (09:34):
Interesting.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
Well I do know this.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
I mean I understand the scientific method enough for this.
I got to at least try it to eliminate that
as a possible reason why I can't sleep at night.
Speaker 5 (09:46):
So I don't know.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
I got to buy a paper book for one thing,
I don't own any I'm got to get a paper book.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
They got stores full of them, that's what.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
They used to I might have to order it on
Amazon and then I get one. Got to come up
with some sort of light to be able to see
the book. I don't know, but I so many logistical
challenges a light. Where do you get those? I like
laying there in the pitch dark reading on my phone.
I just love that. I'm currently reading the memoir from
(10:15):
Salmon Rushdie about when he published this Satanic verses and
the fat wah and all that sort of stuff ended
up getting his.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
Eye carved out. And you can't sleep. I wonder why?
You know what, folks, I just I give up what
you don't think you can read?
Speaker 1 (10:33):
Seriously, you don't think you can read serious nonfiction before.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
You go to bed. I don't.
Speaker 6 (10:38):
I think it'll keep you awake. Wow, that's interesting. I've
been doing that my whole life, ramping down, ramping down.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
So what should I read?
Speaker 3 (10:47):
Like?
Speaker 6 (10:47):
I say, I I would read or reread, you know,
Keith Richards talking about making the Exile on Main Street
album or something like that.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
Just purely pleasurable, pleasurable reading.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
I only read things that are like a homework assignment,
which people often mock me for. I only read things
that are like punishingly difficult, that make.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
You angry and worry.
Speaker 6 (11:06):
Yes again, and I can't think of any connection speaking
of Witch, an update on the situation in Ukraine. It
is not great for anybody. Also, I really want to
squeeze this in. Help me do that. Jack there is
a public official in the great state of cal you
Cornia who really deserves.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
A calling out. Just awful, awful person cool. I would
like to do that.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
If you think you know anything about the melatonin thing.
I do worry about abusing that and altering my brain
and putting myself into a bad spiral there going full
Elvis slash Michael Jackson, and I'll want to do that.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
But man, it sure worked last night.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
Then I had doctor Murray pump me full of some
uppers this morning, and here I am.
Speaker 7 (11:48):
Will it works for a while, I promised you that
works for a while. I slept like the dead. Well
then will I think you know the rest?
Speaker 5 (11:56):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Or you go Elvis and it's just I'm gonna I'll
bet have a little trouble in here. We got more
on the way shot. Wow, I don't know if I
can commit to this. So I just got a text
on my personal phone from one of our best clients
that we endorse. Not I would mention his name, but
I didn't ask him if he was okay with people
(12:18):
knowing this. But anyway, this is what he says, and
I told Joe who it is. He said, He texted,
this is about getting to sleep. I started cold plunging
every morning. It's the best six thousand dollars I've ever spent.
And he gives me the link to plunge dot com,
which it gives you a tub for your ice bath that.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
You jump into.
Speaker 7 (12:41):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
And he said, my sleep scores have gone up twenty
five percent since starting.
Speaker 5 (12:46):
I don't know how you measure sleep scores.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
I guess your smart lots.
Speaker 5 (12:49):
I guess. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
He said, it's absolutely horrible, all caps, but it's the
best thing I've done. Sleep, stress, pain, joint pain recovery,
all vastly improved.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
Wow. Man, even I'm not sure I could do that.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
Even if you told me one hundred percent guaranteed you'll
sleep like a baby every.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
Night the rest of your life.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
I still don't think I could jump into an ice
bath before bed.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
It's when he gets up in the morning, he said, right,
is it right?
Speaker 5 (13:23):
This thing? It doesn't say either way, oh every morning?
Speaker 1 (13:25):
Yeah, okay, either way, No, it doesn't matter when I
don't care what time of day it is.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
I could not get into a tub of ice.
Speaker 6 (13:32):
Well, you could tell me, you know, once a year,
a fairy princess will descend in a gossamer gown and
hand me a million dollars.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
I still wouldn't want to do that.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
Well, he said it's horrible in all caps. Yeah, so
it's something that he does on a daily basis, and
it's absolutely horrible. But it's the best thing I've done,
best of money he's ever spent. You know, God, you know,
a full night of RESTful sleep. God, what is that worth?
But is your brain trying to die before you make it?
Speaker 2 (14:06):
Do that again?
Speaker 1 (14:07):
Is that why you're sleeping through the night, It's just
trying to turn I don't know. That's a good question there,
And it's not some sort of evolution thing. We weren't
designed to be plunged into ice every morning.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
Yeah, I have no idea.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
Well, the the old the guy that used to run Twitter,
remember he would do ice plunge than hot tub or
back and forth or something.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
Yeah, I knew a guy who saw by that, very
smart successful guy. Oh my god.
Speaker 6 (14:30):
Or back and forth heat cold, heat cold, I don't know. Yeah,
so of more political nature. Kim Strassel of the Journal
Who's just terrific, pointing out of the infamous signal leak situation.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
Well, well, if you don't know what happened, I don't
know what to do for you.
Speaker 6 (14:52):
They were chatting about bombing the Huthi's a bunch of
administration officials and it got out because inexplicably, a lefty
piece of crap journalist's pardon me, Jeffrey Goldberg of the Atlantic,
who is utterly dishonest and a coward, was included in
the string. I find myself wondering whether that was deliberate.
Was that just a sloppy staffer who meant to include
(15:13):
Jonah Goldberg in some string and put down Jeffrey Goldberg's
email address. But Jonah Goldberg wasn't part of the signal group.
How does that accidentally happen?
Speaker 1 (15:25):
There's some belief that, either with that or in the
afterwards part, this is an effort by a lot of
the MAGA crowd in the administration who doesn't like walls
because he's too much of a neo Khanish sort of
person like interventions, wants to fight these wars, and they
want him out because they.
Speaker 6 (15:42):
Absolutely traditional conservative. But yeah, that's an interesting theory. Yeah,
it's worth exploring anyway. Kim Straussel has a great piece
where she points out, Yeah, that was dumb and it
was sloppy and they need to do better. But then
she talks about the fever pitch of coverage of it
and how it wasn't It was literally a leak because
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it was unintentionally and this case is rare and that
we know who did it and how it happened.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
Compare that with a torrent of.
Speaker 6 (16:09):
Leaks that began in the run up to mister Trump's
first election, nearly all of them via unnamed officials who
planted selected information incredulous media outlets with the purpose of
manipulating politics. This was in the accidental inclusion of somebody's
email address. It was completely intentional.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
There were leaks about a scandalous fact free dossier and
the FBI investigation into Trump Russia collusion to sway the election.
Leaks about Michael Flynn's call with a Russian ambassador to
further the collusion narrative. Dozens more leaks out of Special
Council Robert Muller's investigation, most of which were as wild
as they were false.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
Adam Schiff leaks.
Speaker 6 (16:48):
About mister Trump's confidential phone calls with foreign leaders to
cast them as chaotic adult dangerous, which hurt the United
States national security because our allies were afraid to talk
to Trump because Staffer would leak it all. So, yeah,
your selective outrage is pretty selective.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
That's an excellent point, Armstrong and Getty.
Speaker 8 (17:12):
Well, non citizens are generally guaranteed the same free speech
rights as American citizens. The Trump administration says their presence
in the US is a quote privilege.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
Secretary of State.
Speaker 8 (17:22):
Mark Rubio says more than three hundred student visas have
now been revoked by the Trump administration for jeopardizing security
or being a risk to US foreign policies.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
I assume this is.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
Going to the Supreme Court. What is it persons or
humans or whatever the language is for, you know, due
process and free speech and everything like, if you're here,
you get it.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
With few exceptions.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
Now the administration is making the argument, well, these few
exceptions apply here. Here's Marco Rubio's Secretary of State who's
been making these decisions.
Speaker 9 (17:55):
If you apply for a visa to enter the United
States and be a student, and you tell us that
the reason why you're coming to the United States, it's
not just because you want to write op eds, but
because you want to participate in movements that are involved
in doing things like vandalizing universities, harassing students, taking over buildings,
creating a ruckus.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
We're not going to give you a visa. We don't
want it. We don't want it in our country.
Speaker 9 (18:15):
Go back and do it in your country, but you're
not going to do it in our country.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
Yeah, you have the right to free speech. You don't
have a right to a visa. If you're going to
that's it. So yeah, okay, so I see the distinction there.
You're a disruptive pain in the ass. We don't want
you here. We've got like one hundred million of those already.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
Goodbye.
Speaker 5 (18:38):
Yeah, I understand it.
Speaker 6 (18:41):
I mean it's not like a bright line. Well it
is in a way, but and I will always stand
up for free speech. But to import somebody, I always
use the example of I wanted to go live and
work in Germany after college. Said that wasn't a good idea,
partly because German so freaking hard to learn. But you know,
(19:04):
they had ironically now as you look at it, but
just really really strict laws about who could immigrate, who
could work, what you had to do, and that sort
of thing, and I picture myself going there on some
sort of visa, then chanting and waving a placard down
with Germany. I hate Germany, and occupying a building or
something like that. And then when the German authorities come
(19:24):
to me and said, Joe, you got to go home.
You're annoying me, saying, wa, how can you do that? No,
I applied for a visander your rules, and now I
violated them.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
It's interesting that you don't hear.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
You don't hear lefties talking about how strict Germany's policies
were or Canada's. I know somebody who wanted to go
to Canada again. So I know somebody wanted to go
to Canada years ago. And you had to prove that
you weren't going to be a financial burden of the country,
that you're gonna be able to support yourself. Either had
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to have enough money already or a career or something
like that. And people weren't going nuts about how awful
it is that those other countries did that. If we
have any standard whatsoever, it's too much for a lot
of people.
Speaker 6 (20:12):
Yeah, in spite of the fact that that's utterly, you know,
unprecedented at least it was for you know, most of
human history, which reminds me I was thinking the other day.
I'll bet and I don't know what the name is
going to be, but there will be a generally recognized
name for the phenomenon of the two thousands, mostly that
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reached its height under like Angela Merkel and Joe Biden
and various authorities in European countries in which their borders
were thrown.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
Open to.
Speaker 6 (20:46):
Just unmitigated, unfiltered immigration from the Third World, particularly the Muslim.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
Why did they do it?
Speaker 1 (20:52):
Your theory always in the United States is we got
to have workers to prop up social security blah blah blah,
or the Democratic Party out they were gonna get voters.
Is it the same thing for Germany and Great Britain?
Speaker 6 (21:03):
You know, there are probably differences around the edges, but yeah,
they have low birth rates too, really in fact, lower
dinars in a couple of European countries. So I think, yeah,
they need to import young workers, is most of it.
And the globalists, and I don't throw that around as
an insult because there are benefits to globalism as well
as costs. But big industry was super in favor of it.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
And so.
Speaker 6 (21:31):
And remember, for the longest time, those people and others,
just soft headed idiots, would say that any expression of
I like our country, we have a culture, we've lived
here all our lives, we're proud of it. That was
decried as racism and xenophobia and nationalism.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
Oh, for a long time people were shamed into silence
in much of the Western world.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
And that needs a name.
Speaker 6 (22:01):
That period of insane suicidal self sacrifice on the altar
of a couple of different things. Anyway, these are the
things I think about. Back to Marco Rubio and his
various measures. I thought this was so interesting. There's a
lawsuit in New.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
York City from families of Israeli hostages against a lot
of these Columbia University student groups and activists.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
Saying they functioned not as like.
Speaker 6 (22:36):
Informal kind of sort of partners of Hamas, but they
led hamas as quote US based in house public relations firm,
the Columbia University Apartheid divest organization that remember that grad
student or they're trying to boot out macmood Khalil.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
He represented that organization.
Speaker 6 (23:00):
That and the Students for Justice in Palestine and American
Muslims for Palestine led to Hamas's propaganda arm in New
York City and on the Columbia University campus, and should
be held accountable for aiding in a betting Hamas's continued
acts of international terrorism. So it'll be interesting to see
this lawsuit proceed whether the ties were formal or extensive
(23:23):
enough to substantiate that.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
I'm looking at.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
It's breaking news on CNN hearing ends and deportation case
of that kid you just mentioned, the Columbia kids. So
I don't know if we're gonna get ruling on that
today or what.
Speaker 6 (23:35):
Yeah, he's a grown ass man by the way, no child,
but he's twenties, mid twenties, I think. Anyway, this got
no coverage and it just shows you the depth of
media bias, as if we need to point that out
to you anymore.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
But when you really, really really see the bias is
when you've got a great story. It's interesting, it's exciting,
has like violence and people shouting, and they ignore it anyway.
So if it bleeds, it leads, if there's fire, it
goes higher.
Speaker 6 (24:03):
Unless it kind of makes progressives look bad, then we
bury it. The day after the acting President of Columbia
announced the the new restrictions on mask wearing protests. Student
Workers of Columbia, the university's graduate student union, organized a
mask picket protest to protest Columbia's repressive new policies and
(24:28):
handed out masks to everybody. And in fact, oh my god,
Colombia's Palestine Solidarity Coalition called on students quote to wear
a mask on Monday.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
This happened a couple of days ago.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
Obviously, mask bands and the fascist trustees how are you
up with masks?
Speaker 2 (24:45):
That's crazy.
Speaker 6 (24:46):
The group appeared to poke fun at the new policy,
which allows masks for quote, medical reasons. While the campus
protest remained relatively tame and highly lamb It calls into
question in the school's ability or intention.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
Really to enforce its new rules.
Speaker 6 (25:04):
See yeah this for medical reasons, says every gd hamas
loving protest.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
Yeah, that's going to be hard to nail down. Legally speaking,
I'll bet it's coming out of COVID. I mean, if
it were twenty nineteen, maybe, but I see people regularly
wearing COVID.
Speaker 6 (25:21):
Masks, so this would have been so easy for the
entire history of the United States. Excuse me, these are
laws that were developed to stop the Ku Klux Klan
from organizing and marching and terrorizing people, they're still valid.
If you're so afraid of your health that you must
wear a mask everywhere, you got to skip the protest.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
It's as simple as that.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
Bye bye, Write them a check, write them a letter,
write a letter to the editor, tell all your friends
about it. Engage in one hundred different sorts of protest,
civil disobedience, or persuasion. But you can't come to the
protest if you're wearing a mask. In Joe Getty's America, Jack,
this would not be difficult to enforce. I guess we're
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gonna get a ruling later today from the judge, probably
on that student so and.
Speaker 5 (26:08):
We'll talk about that on Monday.
Speaker 6 (26:11):
No justice, no peace, no campus police, they said, banging
on plastic buckets. Oh, that reminds me old friend of
the Armstrong and Getty show. Maybe I won't to identify him,
but he was in Chicago and came out of the
courtroom where he was working on a case and saw
a weak, pathetic Chicago teachers Union protest against like trying
(26:33):
to actually educate kids, school choice and that sort of thing,
and he looked out, is you know it's maybe twenty people,
just a sad, sad thing on.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
Their Facebook page.
Speaker 6 (26:42):
Though Classic had the camera in tight and it looked
like a throng of.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
Angry people fighting against the wrong doers.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
It was just sad.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
So before we take a break, I want to throw
a question out to you. Is anybody trying the cold
water plunge to sleep or whatever other benefits you get?
Speaker 5 (27:00):
Because we mentioned uh, our friend.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
Steve texted the show that he jumps into the does
the cold water Plunge every morning and now sleeps.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
The best he's ever slept with life.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
Thank you for that plunging into water sound, Michael, beautiful
Theater of the nine. I don't think I could do this,
but is anybody doing it? I would be interested? Four
one five here's our text line four one five two
nine five KFTC.
Speaker 5 (27:24):
If you are trying it.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
And coming up the cultural norms we must all adopt
to save the souls of our children, tune out and
lose the souls of your children.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
It's up to you.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
Oh you don't care about your child, say wow, okay, fine,
then go about your business, get your bagel or whatever
else you were gonna do.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
Stay here.
Speaker 10 (27:48):
Today, President Trump called for Republicans and Congress to immediately
defund NPR and PBS.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
Yeah, when NPR heard, they went nuts.
Speaker 5 (27:56):
They said, this is an outrage, where with a ton of.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
Transplanted dangerous came.
Speaker 10 (28:05):
If PBS stops airing those old doop concerts, a bunch
of eighty year olds are gonna storm the Capitol. That's
what I'm telling tell it's gonna have.
Speaker 5 (28:12):
It's gonna have.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
So we got a gazillion text about what you did
to sleep better, or this or that it apparently struck
a nerve. Maybe we'll get to some of those. An
hour four just came across this headline.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
New device.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
Allows visually impaired NBA fans to enjoy the action like
never before. So finally the blind can enjoy NBA action.
I guess with some device they invented. Maybe I'll get
that story later. I can't imagine that would.
Speaker 6 (28:42):
Be if you don't get our four as some folks don't,
or you gotta go somewhere grab it via podcasts subscribed
Armstrong and Getty on demand. So Peace just came out
and substack written by Jonathan Height and Zach Rausch, who
are terrific people talking about but Peter Bogos book The
Anxious Generation, that was published a year ago today, and
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their plan was to promote the book in the spring,
then get to work on John's next book, deeply depressing
investigation of technology's effect on democracy. That's John Heyde. I'm
sorry it wasn't because you know, it was height in
this case, and that's coming out at some point. But
instead they realized the book catalyzed a movement around the world,
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the Anxious Generation, about kids and smartphones and social media.
And they say, most spectacularly, school states and entire countries
implemented phone free school policies in Australia raise the age
for opening social media accounts to sixteen, which is beyond
their wildest dreams of how much effect the book might have.
It's really terrific book. And even read the rest of it.
I started it and didn't so, you know, being easily distracted.
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And then they describe the inevitable, well, the the unavoidable
description of what happens when kids are obsessed with smartphone
and social media, and how COVID made it even worse
because kids were, because of progressive policies, deprived of school
and every other normal social activity, even though they would
have been perfectly fine and were confined to their screens.
(30:14):
And that's left us in a terrible state. And by
early twenty twenty four parents were sick of it. I
don't think we need to describe that. The terrible effect, suicide, depression, anxiety,
to isolation, loneliness, just on and on and on, incost
So anyway, here's the main point. They say that we
can give you an update on the progress of the
movement draw lessons for the future by reviewing what's happened
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for each of the four norms that they're promoting. These
are social norms like hey, don't drink and drive, or no,
it's not okay to hit your spouse when you're mad.
Social norms Number one, no smartphones before high school or
age fourteen period. If you give your kid less than
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fourteen the smartphone, that's an odd thing to do.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
It's outside the norm.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
That's what we've done. Yeah, and look, this is not
to guilt anybody. Please don't treat your attacking parent.
Speaker 6 (31:11):
I had to because my kid is the epileptic and
I am an astronaut and you know whatever else.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
All right, Hey, he's up, man, it's it's fine.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
He's visually impaired and can't enjoy the NBA right exactly.
So the best way to delay the arrival of the
phone based childhood wow is that a devastating term is
to delay giving your child a smartphone to communicate. My
son at he got his at fourteen. I guess he
was a last one in his friend group.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
Wow wow.
Speaker 6 (31:42):
If you need to communicate, give him a simple phone, watch,
flip phone or other basic phone with no internet access. Mom,
I'm the only one who doesn't have one. I'm being
left out was the plea heard by many parents, and
many many many parents gave in that is now changing.
What was needed was a clear noise, a bright line,
a minimum age target that parents could aim for together.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
They suggested fourteen.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
Always careful when you get into parenting advice, obviously, but
like I know of several parents who like they won't
let their kids do sleepovers because of all of the
bad things that could happen, but they have smartphones. I'm
more worried to my kid alone with a smartphone that
over at his friend's house of what might happen.
Speaker 6 (32:28):
And they mentioned groups in the UK and the US
that are promoting this stuff. Norm Number two, no social
media before sixteen. Social media is wildly inappropriate for minors.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
That's got to be more of a girl thing, like
my kids boys. I got two boys that they're just
not interested in social media. I wonder if that's way
more a girl thing.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
It is, It absolutely is.
Speaker 5 (32:48):
Yep.
Speaker 6 (32:49):
They collect and sell children's data, capture their attention for
an average of five hours a day, and routinely expose
them to sex, violence, and content that promotes suicide. Although
an ideal minimum age would be eighteen, we chose sixteen
because it sets an age floor that could realistically.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
Emerge as a global norm. And it's working.
Speaker 6 (33:05):
And they give a bunch of different examples of states
and even countries that are saying no prior to sixteen.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
No, it's sick, it's bad for kids.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
God, smartphones came into my life when I was forty two,
and they've warped my brain.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
Norm Number three phone free schools.
Speaker 6 (33:23):
Obviously in America, left and right off and disagree on
how kids should be educated slash indoctrinated, but there's universal
agreement that they should be educated. There's also agreement that
kids are texting, playing video games, and watching TikTok videos
and class are not being educated. Phones are distraction machines.
That's becoming a more and more common norm from Arkansas
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to California.
Speaker 5 (33:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
La phone free school, second biggest school district in America.
Speaker 3 (33:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
I hope this becomes the absolute norm, just for the
sake of the children. I think it's nuts that they're
allowed to have phones at school.
Speaker 6 (33:59):
And number four or and this is a big one.
More independence, more free play, and more responsibility in the
real world for children, smartphones are the symptom of a
deeper problem, the crisis in childhood itself. Children need vast
quantities of free play, independence, and responsibility to guide brain
development and social development.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
Being a kid is about the fun, risk.
Speaker 6 (34:22):
Challenges, and thrills of exploring the richness of life with
friends at your side and no parents in sight. Most
people born before the mid eighties cherish memories of this
kind of childhood, making them receptive to this fourth norm.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
I think there are a lot This is gonna be
the toughest one. I don't even know if this one's doable.
There are lots of kids that don't get an hour
of that a week, not an hour where there's no
parents hovering over, keeping an eye on it, or organized
of some sort.
Speaker 6 (34:52):
They mentioned that the term anxious generation in the title
of the book applies not only to the kids but
their parents, who are stuck in a collective active problem
action problem. How do I send my ca kids outside
when no one else is doing it what they would
prefer to be on their device? There, someone might call
the police that my ten year old is playing ball
with his friends in the park without a parent. We've
got to stop that, America. We must stop it for
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our kids.
Speaker 8 (35:14):
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Speaker 4 (00:23):
If you look at the cost to produce a vehicle
with a twenty five percent tariff, economist estimate that this
will cost about thirty five hundred dollars to twelve thousand
dollars more per vehicle. And then when we talk about
the consumer, a lot of economists are suggesting that it
could cost upwards of five thousand to fifteen thousand dollars
(00:43):
more per vehicle. But let's take the White House's numbers
on this. According to their fact sheet, a forty thousand
dollars vehicle made in America would cost five thousand dollars
more if that company uses foreign parts.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Yeah, so that kicks in in a couple of days.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
In theory I've been there have been another number of
tariff deadlines that didn't end up occurring when somebody backs
down or perceived as backing down. But if this car
one kicks in.
Speaker 5 (01:15):
It's well, it'll be something to watch.
Speaker 6 (01:19):
Yeah, I just I don't think it's realistic. We don't
have time to really get into it now. But and
Trump is trying to browbeat the US automakers into not
raising prices. I just I don't know that it's realistic
to onshore that much manufacturing for a giant, complicated industry
in the time Trump's going to have because you make
these plans for the next decade, these giant one hundred
(01:44):
million dollar plants or whatever.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
So these two things fit together a little bit. A
story I came across about your phone and being a
distraction and how much it rules all of our lives.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
Oh, that reminds me.
Speaker 6 (01:58):
The one of your anniversary of the fabulous Peter Bagosian
book The Anxious Generation is today, and he's out with
a screen which includes some principles to just adopt in society.
It's like drunk driving at one point was pretty accepted
now it's not at all. And he has some social
principles we all need to adopt, easy to understand that
(02:20):
will save the kids. Anyway, that's later on the hour.
I hope you can stay too.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
I want to hear that because that definitely fits in
with this and the reason I'm looking at this and
tying it in with my whole newfound sleep problems, having
the hardest time sleeping I've ever had in my life,
just kind of started a couple of weeks ago and
trying different things. I did some research on melatonin last night.
(02:45):
First of all, when I started in on this, I
came across all these statistics. So about halfy out there
have trouble sleeping, according to most studies, and so it's
lots of people, so apparently many of you can relate
to this. But man, there's a lot not known about melatonin.
There's all kinds of conflicting studies on that. Whether it
actually does anything is still a bit of an open question.
(03:07):
There must be enough belief that it does, because doctors
have recommended it to me various times, but doctors recommend
things that turn out to be nothing over the years. Also,
But uh, melotone, whether it actually does anything, whether or
not it's addictive or you know, trains your brain to
not produce as much melatonin and gets you into a,
(03:29):
you know, an unproductive cycle, that's unknown. Some people believe
that makes sense. To me, it seems like it almost
certainly would be the case if your brain produces melatonin
but you're taking the melotone in your body says, oh,
we got enough melatonin, let's not produce it, although there
are studies that say no, your brain's going to produce
the same amount of no matter what. So I don't
know melatonin helps you get to sleep in thorty theory.
(03:49):
I know that I have taken melatonin quite a number
of times over the last several months. It makes me
so so tired. I fall asleep, but then like an
hour and a half later I wake up. So last
night I was up at twelve thirty looking at my phone.
How long does meltone last? With various studies saying it's
an hour, some study saying six hours. Don't take it,
it will be groggy all day. Some stady's saying twenty
(04:11):
four hours. So depends on who you ask. I guess, yeah, the.
Speaker 6 (04:14):
Conventional wisdom I've always heard is take it then go
to bed. There is don't fart around for two hours.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
H There doesn't seem to be any conventional wisdom around melatone,
and based in all the studies I was reading last night.
But anyway, uh, I just I took another one, So
like I took one, fell asleep hard, woke up twelve
thirty wide away, didn't want to live that again, went
and took another one, crashed hard, and slept clear to
my alarm, like deep slumber, and it was freaking awesome.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
But you came in today with no pants on, so I.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
Didn't even notice how till now I am pants genitals
are flapping right.
Speaker 6 (04:49):
And I didn't want to say anything, but yeah, it's
been uncomfortable.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Michael hasn't it? He sure has? But I slept well.
But I'll tell you what.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
I hope it's not a diffen bad for your brain,
because that result last night makes me think tonight I'm gonna.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Double it up again. Oh Elvis, I know Michael Jackson right,
for Michael, some.
Speaker 7 (05:10):
Of the milk, some of the melatonin milk, doctor Conrad,
I'm sure it's good for me.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Any who.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
So I'm talking about the whole sleeping thing, and when
I bring it up with people, people keep saying the
same thing, and I keep ignoring it because I don't
want to do it. Are you putting away your phone
at least an hour and a half before you go
to bed?
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Now I'm looking it up.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
I'm looking at it up until the second I go
to sleep every night and there's there's all kinds of
conflicting research on this.
Speaker 5 (05:43):
On how I mean.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
There are studies to say the blue light is absolute
worst thing for you. There are studies that say blue
light's a myth, it doesn't do anything. It's the it's
the being engaged with information that makes you awake, not
the light.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
From your phone. I don't have any idea. I do
know this.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Me and everybody else used to watch television up to
the moment they went to sleep, and it didn't keep
us awake. I don't remember anybody thinking the TV was
stimulating them to the point that was wake, whether I
was watching the.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
News or a movie or sports or whatever.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
Right.
Speaker 6 (06:15):
I don't know if I do this intentionally, but as
you were talking, I was thinking about my pattern, and
it is definitely as the evening progresses, because you know,
I work some in the evening quote unquote, it progresses
from the like intellectual and serious to the purely pleasurable.
And the last hour of my day is always music
(06:37):
or comedy or something like that.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
I just and then I read, and I read all
my books on my phone too, So.
Speaker 5 (06:46):
I just I can't imagine pulling the plug on that.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
I would be really really hard for me to put
my phone in a drawer or something an hour and
a half before betting then go to bed. I mean,
I feel like an addic or something just like it
kind of scares me to even think about it. But
what are you reading like before pad? Is it serious stuff?
Weighty stuff for a long Well, that's all kinds of stuff.
(07:10):
Could be anything, depends on the mood, but that's what
I'm saying. Almost always stuff that porn, Michael. Almost always
stuff I want to use on the show. But it
might be lighthearted stuff like this. I was reading a
study about sleeping. I enjoy that so but I can
use it on the air and then I screen captured
it and highlight it and everything like that for I'm
going to sleep well anyway that brings me to this,
Your phone may not be the problem when it comes
to distraction. In this article, I was just reading where
(07:34):
they're making the argument, and I just don't know if
I buy this or not that it's the it's the information,
it's the engagement. It's not the it's not the phone itself,
it's not the light. It's just that if you're doing
anything to super get engaged that's addictive behavior and going
to keep you awake, whether it's on.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
Your computer or your phone or any other I.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
Just don't buy that because I never had these before,
and neither did anybody else. As far as I know,
I don't know anybody who said, man, I just I
don't know. I start reading readers Digest at eleven o'clock,
and I think it keeps me up. I need to
put the Reader's Digest down, our Sports Illustrated or watching
TV or anything other than this smartphone stuff.
Speaker 6 (08:16):
Yeah, I guess I just like I said, I deliberately
go from the serious stuff about how to battle Marxism
to some rock stars autobiography for.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
That last half hour hour of the day.
Speaker 6 (08:28):
And it's it's good for me because I noticed you
think that hows you get to sleep one hundred percent. Yeah,
and you know your results may vary. But like I
used to, so, I don't know where it is where
you live.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
It's dark at night where I live, and I have
a black dog and who sleeps in the bedroom, and
so I would use my phone as a night light
to get me to the bathroom during my inevitable middle
of the night stop. As an older fellow, and so
I wouldn't step on poor Baxter.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
And then here here about Flomax, and then uh, I'm fine.
Speaker 6 (09:04):
Uh but so and I would glance at it and
see a headline or two and think, oh, that's interesting.
The talks in Ukraine are breaking down and blah blah blah,
and I would have a terrible time getting back to sleep.
Oh that's looking at a weather forecast.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
Totally totally abandon it. Now, I just look very carefully
for my dog.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Well, that's what that study is basically saying.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
It's the information, not the device or light or anything
like that.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
I'm saying, amen.
Speaker 5 (09:34):
Interesting.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
Well I do know this.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
I mean I understand the scientific method enough for this.
I got to at least try it to eliminate that
as a possible reason why I can't sleep at night.
Speaker 5 (09:46):
So I don't know.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
I got to buy a paper book for one thing,
I don't own any I'm got to get a paper book.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
They got stores full of them, that's what.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
They used to I might have to order it on
Amazon and then I get one. Got to come up
with some sort of light to be able to see
the book. I don't know, but I so many logistical
challenges a light. Where do you get those? I like
laying there in the pitch dark reading on my phone.
I just love that. I'm currently reading the memoir from
(10:15):
Salmon Rushdie about when he published this Satanic verses and
the fat wah and all that sort of stuff ended
up getting his.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
Eye carved out. And you can't sleep. I wonder why?
You know what, folks, I just I give up what
you don't think you can read?
Speaker 1 (10:33):
Seriously, you don't think you can read serious nonfiction before.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
You go to bed. I don't.
Speaker 6 (10:38):
I think it'll keep you awake. Wow, that's interesting. I've
been doing that my whole life, ramping down, ramping down.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
So what should I read?
Speaker 3 (10:47):
Like?
Speaker 6 (10:47):
I say, I I would read or reread, you know,
Keith Richards talking about making the Exile on Main Street
album or something like that.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
Just purely pleasurable, pleasurable reading.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
I only read things that are like a homework assignment,
which people often mock me for. I only read things
that are like punishingly difficult, that make.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
You angry and worry.
Speaker 6 (11:06):
Yes again, and I can't think of any connection speaking
of Witch, an update on the situation in Ukraine. It
is not great for anybody. Also, I really want to
squeeze this in. Help me do that. Jack there is
a public official in the great state of cal you
Cornia who really deserves.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
A calling out. Just awful, awful person cool. I would
like to do that.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
If you think you know anything about the melatonin thing.
I do worry about abusing that and altering my brain
and putting myself into a bad spiral there going full
Elvis slash Michael Jackson, and I'll want to do that.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
But man, it sure worked last night.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
Then I had doctor Murray pump me full of some
uppers this morning, and here I am.
Speaker 7 (11:48):
Will it works for a while, I promised you that
works for a while. I slept like the dead. Well
then will I think you know the rest?
Speaker 5 (11:56):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Or you go Elvis and it's just I'm gonna I'll
bet have a little trouble in here. We got more
on the way shot. Wow, I don't know if I
can commit to this. So I just got a text
on my personal phone from one of our best clients
that we endorse. Not I would mention his name, but
I didn't ask him if he was okay with people
(12:18):
knowing this. But anyway, this is what he says, and
I told Joe who it is. He said, He texted,
this is about getting to sleep. I started cold plunging
every morning. It's the best six thousand dollars I've ever spent.
And he gives me the link to plunge dot com,
which it gives you a tub for your ice bath that.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
You jump into.
Speaker 7 (12:41):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
And he said, my sleep scores have gone up twenty
five percent since starting.
Speaker 5 (12:46):
I don't know how you measure sleep scores.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
I guess your smart lots.
Speaker 5 (12:49):
I guess. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
He said, it's absolutely horrible, all caps, but it's the
best thing I've done. Sleep, stress, pain, joint pain recovery,
all vastly improved.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
Wow. Man, even I'm not sure I could do that.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
Even if you told me one hundred percent guaranteed you'll
sleep like a baby every.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
Night the rest of your life.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
I still don't think I could jump into an ice
bath before bed.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
It's when he gets up in the morning, he said, right,
is it right?
Speaker 5 (13:23):
This thing? It doesn't say either way, oh every morning?
Speaker 1 (13:25):
Yeah, okay, either way, No, it doesn't matter when I
don't care what time of day it is.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
I could not get into a tub of ice.
Speaker 6 (13:32):
Well, you could tell me, you know, once a year,
a fairy princess will descend in a gossamer gown and
hand me a million dollars.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
I still wouldn't want to do that.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
Well, he said it's horrible in all caps. Yeah, so
it's something that he does on a daily basis, and
it's absolutely horrible. But it's the best thing I've done,
best of money he's ever spent. You know, God, you know,
a full night of RESTful sleep. God, what is that worth?
But is your brain trying to die before you make it?
Speaker 2 (14:06):
Do that again?
Speaker 1 (14:07):
Is that why you're sleeping through the night, It's just
trying to turn I don't know. That's a good question there,
And it's not some sort of evolution thing. We weren't
designed to be plunged into ice every morning.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
Yeah, I have no idea.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
Well, the the old the guy that used to run Twitter,
remember he would do ice plunge than hot tub or
back and forth or something.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
Yeah, I knew a guy who saw by that, very
smart successful guy. Oh my god.
Speaker 6 (14:30):
Or back and forth heat cold, heat cold, I don't know. Yeah,
so of more political nature. Kim Strassel of the Journal
Who's just terrific, pointing out of the infamous signal leak situation.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
Well, well, if you don't know what happened, I don't
know what to do for you.
Speaker 6 (14:52):
They were chatting about bombing the Huthi's a bunch of
administration officials and it got out because inexplicably, a lefty
piece of crap journalist's pardon me, Jeffrey Goldberg of the Atlantic,
who is utterly dishonest and a coward, was included in
the string. I find myself wondering whether that was deliberate.
Was that just a sloppy staffer who meant to include
(15:13):
Jonah Goldberg in some string and put down Jeffrey Goldberg's
email address. But Jonah Goldberg wasn't part of the signal group.
How does that accidentally happen?
Speaker 1 (15:25):
There's some belief that, either with that or in the
afterwards part, this is an effort by a lot of
the MAGA crowd in the administration who doesn't like walls
because he's too much of a neo Khanish sort of
person like interventions, wants to fight these wars, and they
want him out because they.
Speaker 6 (15:42):
Absolutely traditional conservative. But yeah, that's an interesting theory. Yeah,
it's worth exploring anyway. Kim Straussel has a great piece
where she points out, Yeah, that was dumb and it
was sloppy and they need to do better. But then
she talks about the fever pitch of coverage of it
and how it wasn't It was literally a leak because
(16:03):
it was unintentionally and this case is rare and that
we know who did it and how it happened.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
Compare that with a torrent of.
Speaker 6 (16:09):
Leaks that began in the run up to mister Trump's
first election, nearly all of them via unnamed officials who
planted selected information incredulous media outlets with the purpose of
manipulating politics. This was in the accidental inclusion of somebody's
email address. It was completely intentional.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
There were leaks about a scandalous fact free dossier and
the FBI investigation into Trump Russia collusion to sway the election.
Leaks about Michael Flynn's call with a Russian ambassador to
further the collusion narrative. Dozens more leaks out of Special
Council Robert Muller's investigation, most of which were as wild
as they were false.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
Adam Schiff leaks.
Speaker 6 (16:48):
About mister Trump's confidential phone calls with foreign leaders to
cast them as chaotic adult dangerous, which hurt the United
States national security because our allies were afraid to talk
to Trump because Staffer would leak it all. So, yeah,
your selective outrage is pretty selective.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
That's an excellent point, Armstrong and Getty.
Speaker 8 (17:12):
Well, non citizens are generally guaranteed the same free speech
rights as American citizens. The Trump administration says their presence
in the US is a quote privilege.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
Secretary of State.
Speaker 8 (17:22):
Mark Rubio says more than three hundred student visas have
now been revoked by the Trump administration for jeopardizing security
or being a risk to US foreign policies.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
I assume this is.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
Going to the Supreme Court. What is it persons or
humans or whatever the language is for, you know, due
process and free speech and everything like, if you're here,
you get it.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
With few exceptions.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
Now the administration is making the argument, well, these few
exceptions apply here. Here's Marco Rubio's Secretary of State who's
been making these decisions.
Speaker 9 (17:55):
If you apply for a visa to enter the United
States and be a student, and you tell us that
the reason why you're coming to the United States, it's
not just because you want to write op eds, but
because you want to participate in movements that are involved
in doing things like vandalizing universities, harassing students, taking over buildings,
creating a ruckus.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
We're not going to give you a visa. We don't
want it. We don't want it in our country.
Speaker 9 (18:15):
Go back and do it in your country, but you're
not going to do it in our country.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
Yeah, you have the right to free speech. You don't
have a right to a visa. If you're going to
that's it. So yeah, okay, so I see the distinction there.
You're a disruptive pain in the ass. We don't want
you here. We've got like one hundred million of those already.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
Goodbye.
Speaker 5 (18:38):
Yeah, I understand it.
Speaker 6 (18:41):
I mean it's not like a bright line. Well it
is in a way, but and I will always stand
up for free speech. But to import somebody, I always
use the example of I wanted to go live and
work in Germany after college. Said that wasn't a good idea,
partly because German so freaking hard to learn. But you know,
(19:04):
they had ironically now as you look at it, but
just really really strict laws about who could immigrate, who
could work, what you had to do, and that sort
of thing, and I picture myself going there on some
sort of visa, then chanting and waving a placard down
with Germany. I hate Germany, and occupying a building or
something like that. And then when the German authorities come
(19:24):
to me and said, Joe, you got to go home.
You're annoying me, saying, wa, how can you do that? No,
I applied for a visander your rules, and now I
violated them.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
It's interesting that you don't hear.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
You don't hear lefties talking about how strict Germany's policies
were or Canada's. I know somebody who wanted to go
to Canada again. So I know somebody wanted to go
to Canada years ago. And you had to prove that
you weren't going to be a financial burden of the country,
that you're gonna be able to support yourself. Either had
(20:00):
to have enough money already or a career or something
like that. And people weren't going nuts about how awful
it is that those other countries did that. If we
have any standard whatsoever, it's too much for a lot
of people.
Speaker 6 (20:12):
Yeah, in spite of the fact that that's utterly, you know,
unprecedented at least it was for you know, most of
human history, which reminds me I was thinking the other day.
I'll bet and I don't know what the name is
going to be, but there will be a generally recognized
name for the phenomenon of the two thousands, mostly that
(20:34):
reached its height under like Angela Merkel and Joe Biden
and various authorities in European countries in which their borders
were thrown.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
Open to.
Speaker 6 (20:46):
Just unmitigated, unfiltered immigration from the Third World, particularly the Muslim.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
Why did they do it?
Speaker 1 (20:52):
Your theory always in the United States is we got
to have workers to prop up social security blah blah blah,
or the Democratic Party out they were gonna get voters.
Is it the same thing for Germany and Great Britain?
Speaker 6 (21:03):
You know, there are probably differences around the edges, but yeah,
they have low birth rates too, really in fact, lower
dinars in a couple of European countries. So I think, yeah,
they need to import young workers, is most of it.
And the globalists, and I don't throw that around as
an insult because there are benefits to globalism as well
as costs. But big industry was super in favor of it.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
And so.
Speaker 6 (21:31):
And remember, for the longest time, those people and others,
just soft headed idiots, would say that any expression of
I like our country, we have a culture, we've lived
here all our lives, we're proud of it. That was
decried as racism and xenophobia and nationalism.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
Oh, for a long time people were shamed into silence
in much of the Western world.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
And that needs a name.
Speaker 6 (22:01):
That period of insane suicidal self sacrifice on the altar
of a couple of different things. Anyway, these are the
things I think about. Back to Marco Rubio and his
various measures. I thought this was so interesting. There's a
lawsuit in New.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
York City from families of Israeli hostages against a lot
of these Columbia University student groups and activists.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
Saying they functioned not as like.
Speaker 6 (22:36):
Informal kind of sort of partners of Hamas, but they
led hamas as quote US based in house public relations firm,
the Columbia University Apartheid divest organization that remember that grad
student or they're trying to boot out macmood Khalil.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
He represented that organization.
Speaker 6 (23:00):
That and the Students for Justice in Palestine and American
Muslims for Palestine led to Hamas's propaganda arm in New
York City and on the Columbia University campus, and should
be held accountable for aiding in a betting Hamas's continued
acts of international terrorism. So it'll be interesting to see
this lawsuit proceed whether the ties were formal or extensive
(23:23):
enough to substantiate that.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
I'm looking at.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
It's breaking news on CNN hearing ends and deportation case
of that kid you just mentioned, the Columbia kids. So
I don't know if we're gonna get ruling on that
today or what.
Speaker 6 (23:35):
Yeah, he's a grown ass man by the way, no child,
but he's twenties, mid twenties, I think. Anyway, this got
no coverage and it just shows you the depth of
media bias, as if we need to point that out
to you anymore.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
But when you really, really really see the bias is
when you've got a great story. It's interesting, it's exciting,
has like violence and people shouting, and they ignore it anyway.
So if it bleeds, it leads, if there's fire, it
goes higher.
Speaker 6 (24:03):
Unless it kind of makes progressives look bad, then we
bury it. The day after the acting President of Columbia
announced the the new restrictions on mask wearing protests. Student
Workers of Columbia, the university's graduate student union, organized a
mask picket protest to protest Columbia's repressive new policies and
(24:28):
handed out masks to everybody. And in fact, oh my god,
Colombia's Palestine Solidarity Coalition called on students quote to wear
a mask on Monday.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
This happened a couple of days ago.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
Obviously, mask bands and the fascist trustees how are you
up with masks?
Speaker 2 (24:45):
That's crazy.
Speaker 6 (24:46):
The group appeared to poke fun at the new policy,
which allows masks for quote, medical reasons. While the campus
protest remained relatively tame and highly lamb It calls into
question in the school's ability or intention.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
Really to enforce its new rules.
Speaker 6 (25:04):
See yeah this for medical reasons, says every gd hamas
loving protest.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
Yeah, that's going to be hard to nail down. Legally speaking,
I'll bet it's coming out of COVID. I mean, if
it were twenty nineteen, maybe, but I see people regularly
wearing COVID.
Speaker 6 (25:21):
Masks, so this would have been so easy for the
entire history of the United States. Excuse me, these are
laws that were developed to stop the Ku Klux Klan
from organizing and marching and terrorizing people, they're still valid.
If you're so afraid of your health that you must
wear a mask everywhere, you got to skip the protest.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
It's as simple as that.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
Bye bye, Write them a check, write them a letter,
write a letter to the editor, tell all your friends
about it. Engage in one hundred different sorts of protest,
civil disobedience, or persuasion. But you can't come to the
protest if you're wearing a mask. In Joe Getty's America, Jack,
this would not be difficult to enforce. I guess we're
(26:04):
gonna get a ruling later today from the judge, probably
on that student so and.
Speaker 5 (26:08):
We'll talk about that on Monday.
Speaker 6 (26:11):
No justice, no peace, no campus police, they said, banging
on plastic buckets. Oh, that reminds me old friend of
the Armstrong and Getty show. Maybe I won't to identify him,
but he was in Chicago and came out of the
courtroom where he was working on a case and saw
a weak, pathetic Chicago teachers Union protest against like trying
(26:33):
to actually educate kids, school choice and that sort of thing,
and he looked out, is you know it's maybe twenty people,
just a sad, sad thing on.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
Their Facebook page.
Speaker 6 (26:42):
Though Classic had the camera in tight and it looked
like a throng of.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
Angry people fighting against the wrong doers.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
It was just sad.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
So before we take a break, I want to throw
a question out to you. Is anybody trying the cold
water plunge to sleep or whatever other benefits you get?
Speaker 5 (27:00):
Because we mentioned uh, our friend.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
Steve texted the show that he jumps into the does
the cold water Plunge every morning and now sleeps.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
The best he's ever slept with life.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
Thank you for that plunging into water sound, Michael, beautiful
Theater of the nine. I don't think I could do this,
but is anybody doing it? I would be interested? Four
one five here's our text line four one five two
nine five KFTC.
Speaker 5 (27:24):
If you are trying it.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
And coming up the cultural norms we must all adopt
to save the souls of our children, tune out and
lose the souls of your children.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
It's up to you.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
Oh you don't care about your child, say wow, okay, fine,
then go about your business, get your bagel or whatever
else you were gonna do.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
Stay here.
Speaker 10 (27:48):
Today, President Trump called for Republicans and Congress to immediately
defund NPR and PBS.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
Yeah, when NPR heard, they went nuts.
Speaker 5 (27:56):
They said, this is an outrage, where with a ton of.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
Transplanted dangerous came.
Speaker 10 (28:05):
If PBS stops airing those old doop concerts, a bunch
of eighty year olds are gonna storm the Capitol. That's
what I'm telling tell it's gonna have.
Speaker 5 (28:12):
It's gonna have.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
So we got a gazillion text about what you did
to sleep better, or this or that it apparently struck
a nerve. Maybe we'll get to some of those. An
hour four just came across this headline.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
New device.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
Allows visually impaired NBA fans to enjoy the action like
never before. So finally the blind can enjoy NBA action.
I guess with some device they invented. Maybe I'll get
that story later. I can't imagine that would.
Speaker 6 (28:42):
Be if you don't get our four as some folks don't,
or you gotta go somewhere grab it via podcasts subscribed
Armstrong and Getty on demand. So Peace just came out
and substack written by Jonathan Height and Zach Rausch, who
are terrific people talking about but Peter Bogos book The
Anxious Generation, that was published a year ago today, and
(29:06):
their plan was to promote the book in the spring,
then get to work on John's next book, deeply depressing
investigation of technology's effect on democracy. That's John Heyde. I'm
sorry it wasn't because you know, it was height in
this case, and that's coming out at some point. But
instead they realized the book catalyzed a movement around the world,
(29:28):
the Anxious Generation, about kids and smartphones and social media.
And they say, most spectacularly, school states and entire countries
implemented phone free school policies in Australia raise the age
for opening social media accounts to sixteen, which is beyond
their wildest dreams of how much effect the book might have.
It's really terrific book. And even read the rest of it.
I started it and didn't so, you know, being easily distracted.
(29:52):
And then they describe the inevitable, well, the the unavoidable
description of what happens when kids are obsessed with smartphone
and social media, and how COVID made it even worse
because kids were, because of progressive policies, deprived of school
and every other normal social activity, even though they would
have been perfectly fine and were confined to their screens.
(30:14):
And that's left us in a terrible state. And by
early twenty twenty four parents were sick of it. I
don't think we need to describe that. The terrible effect, suicide, depression, anxiety,
to isolation, loneliness, just on and on and on, incost
So anyway, here's the main point. They say that we
can give you an update on the progress of the
movement draw lessons for the future by reviewing what's happened
(30:35):
for each of the four norms that they're promoting. These
are social norms like hey, don't drink and drive, or no,
it's not okay to hit your spouse when you're mad.
Social norms Number one, no smartphones before high school or
age fourteen period. If you give your kid less than
(30:58):
fourteen the smartphone, that's an odd thing to do.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
It's outside the norm.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
That's what we've done. Yeah, and look, this is not
to guilt anybody. Please don't treat your attacking parent.
Speaker 6 (31:11):
I had to because my kid is the epileptic and
I am an astronaut and you know whatever else.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
All right, Hey, he's up, man, it's it's fine.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
He's visually impaired and can't enjoy the NBA right exactly.
So the best way to delay the arrival of the
phone based childhood wow is that a devastating term is
to delay giving your child a smartphone to communicate. My
son at he got his at fourteen. I guess he
was a last one in his friend group.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
Wow wow.
Speaker 6 (31:42):
If you need to communicate, give him a simple phone, watch,
flip phone or other basic phone with no internet access. Mom,
I'm the only one who doesn't have one. I'm being
left out was the plea heard by many parents, and
many many many parents gave in that is now changing.
What was needed was a clear noise, a bright line,
a minimum age target that parents could aim for together.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
They suggested fourteen.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
Always careful when you get into parenting advice, obviously, but
like I know of several parents who like they won't
let their kids do sleepovers because of all of the
bad things that could happen, but they have smartphones. I'm
more worried to my kid alone with a smartphone that
over at his friend's house of what might happen.
Speaker 6 (32:28):
And they mentioned groups in the UK and the US
that are promoting this stuff. Norm Number two, no social
media before sixteen. Social media is wildly inappropriate for minors.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
That's got to be more of a girl thing, like
my kids boys. I got two boys that they're just
not interested in social media. I wonder if that's way
more a girl thing.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
It is, It absolutely is.
Speaker 5 (32:48):
Yep.
Speaker 6 (32:49):
They collect and sell children's data, capture their attention for
an average of five hours a day, and routinely expose
them to sex, violence, and content that promotes suicide. Although
an ideal minimum age would be eighteen, we chose sixteen
because it sets an age floor that could realistically.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
Emerge as a global norm. And it's working.
Speaker 6 (33:05):
And they give a bunch of different examples of states
and even countries that are saying no prior to sixteen.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
No, it's sick, it's bad for kids.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
God, smartphones came into my life when I was forty two,
and they've warped my brain.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
Norm Number three phone free schools.
Speaker 6 (33:23):
Obviously in America, left and right off and disagree on
how kids should be educated slash indoctrinated, but there's universal
agreement that they should be educated. There's also agreement that
kids are texting, playing video games, and watching TikTok videos
and class are not being educated. Phones are distraction machines.
That's becoming a more and more common norm from Arkansas
(33:44):
to California.
Speaker 5 (33:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
La phone free school, second biggest school district in America.
Speaker 3 (33:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
I hope this becomes the absolute norm, just for the
sake of the children. I think it's nuts that they're
allowed to have phones at school.
Speaker 6 (33:59):
And number four or and this is a big one.
More independence, more free play, and more responsibility in the
real world for children, smartphones are the symptom of a
deeper problem, the crisis in childhood itself. Children need vast
quantities of free play, independence, and responsibility to guide brain
development and social development.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
Being a kid is about the fun, risk.
Speaker 6 (34:22):
Challenges, and thrills of exploring the richness of life with
friends at your side and no parents in sight. Most
people born before the mid eighties cherish memories of this
kind of childhood, making them receptive to this fourth norm.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
I think there are a lot This is gonna be
the toughest one. I don't even know if this one's doable.
There are lots of kids that don't get an hour
of that a week, not an hour where there's no
parents hovering over, keeping an eye on it, or organized
of some sort.
Speaker 6 (34:52):
They mentioned that the term anxious generation in the title
of the book applies not only to the kids but
their parents, who are stuck in a collective active problem
action problem. How do I send my ca kids outside
when no one else is doing it what they would
prefer to be on their device? There, someone might call
the police that my ten year old is playing ball
with his friends in the park without a parent. We've
got to stop that, America. We must stop it for
(35:13):
our kids.
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