July 8, 2026 • 36 mins
Hour One of the Wednesday July 8, 2026 edition of The Armstrong & Getty Show features...
- The War with Iran resumes...
- Heather Myers has The Lead Story...
- Dispatch columnist David Drucker talks to Jack about the rise of the Democratic Socialist...
- The connection between sleep & dementia.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio the George
Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Kaddy Armstrong and
Jackie I.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Know he.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
Arms rang.
Speaker 4 (00:23):
From the studio ce a dimly left room deep with
on a vowels of the Armstrong and getting communications compound.
Speaker 5 (00:33):
And Joe is still on vacation.
Speaker 4 (00:36):
I'm celebrating his fortieth wedding anniversary with his wife Judy,
and he'll be back in just a couple of days.
Lots of big news overnight. Maybe I'll start here just
before we get into the serious stuff. I don't know
much about soccer. Well, the announcers kept calling it one
of the best soccer matches in World Cup history that
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have And yesterday between Argentina, the defending World Cup champ,
which features the greatest soccer player of all time according
to most people, Lionel Messi, and they almost lost to
Egypt yesterday and they fell behind nothing and at the
almost eighty minute mark, they played for ninety minutes more
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or less. At the almost eighty minute mark it was
still to nothing. And then the defending champions went on
a barrage, including Messi scoring a really cool goal and
won three to two. And I'll tell you what, first
time in my life I was ever excited watching soccer
and really enjoyed it and got into it stuff like that.
Speaker 5 (01:39):
First time that's ever happened to me.
Speaker 4 (01:41):
And I don't know why, if I've just watched enough
to understand enough, or the announcers are doing a good
enough job to bring me along, or because it's in
the United States or whatever.
Speaker 5 (01:49):
But that was pretty cool. That was pretty cool.
Speaker 4 (01:52):
And now they're down to the final eight, which of
course the United States is not in on the match
we lost the other day, thirty million people tuned into
that in the United States to watch USA soccer, and
that's the biggest audience for a soccer match ever in
the history of the United States.
Speaker 5 (02:12):
So I don't know if that means we're awakening to
the sport or not. I have no idea.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
Now to the real news that once we get started
on it's going to be hard to stop. Overnight, we
bombed the crap out of Iran, and most importantly, Donald
Trump said, as far as he's concerned, the MoU, the
ceasefire is over. The whole thing is dead, and that's
a major deal for him to announce that because of
course that was his baby. He and Jade Vance particularly
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were out there. As you know if you've been listening
to the show, they were selling it hard there for
a couple of days, with all kinds of critics on
all sides, left, right and center. I mean, Fox criticized
it all day long, in addition to your CNNs and
your MSNBC's in your mainstream media. And Trump and pushed
it and pushed it and pushed it, and Iran turned
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out to be exactly what we thought they were. They
bombed a couple of ships, a couple more ships, They've
bombed lots of ships trying to go through the straight
of horror moves during the ceasefire, and Trump said enough
and earlier in the day, and this didn't get as
much attention as the bombing. Earlier in the day, the
Secretary of the Treasury announced, don't get to trade oil anymore.
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So one of the worst things we did, I think
with the Memorandum of understanding was allow them to start
making money again off of oil sales before they agreed
to any of the stuff we wanted them to degree
agreed to around nuclear weapons, et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 5 (03:41):
They got the money first.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
Well, this is how they've paid the world back by
bombing ships that try to go through the straight of
horror moves. So we cut that off. They're no longer
allowed to sell oil legally. They'll still try to sell
it illegally, but their days of legal selling oil are
over for now. And then we bombed the crap out
of them with a pretty hard strike. I guess we'll
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find out how big a strike that was when we
talked to Mike Lyons a little bit later this morning,
but from what I read from the people that I
believe in, it was significantly more than we usually do.
And then Trump announced the deals over as far as
he's concerned. We'll play that clip in a little bit.
These are nut jobs and I don't trust them anymore.
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Behind the scenes, the Wall Street Journal reporting today, which
is pretty interesting, the Iranian regime has access to more
than half of the missiles and launchers that it had
before the conflict. Remember, we had devastated them pretty badly.
But it's been what four or five months, and with
the help of China and Russia are good friends.
Speaker 5 (04:46):
Sarcastic China and Russia.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
Helping them rebuild their missile rocket capability. They've got more
than half of what they started with, so they're in
shape to wage war, no doubt. And this is the
most important part. People close to the talks say there
has been no substantive progress made yet by the US
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Iranian teams on the final nuclear agreement, the important stuff,
the you don't get to have a nuclear weapon. We're
gonna sit down and have a serious conversation about it.
They've made no progress on that zero as of yesterday,
which is what most of us predicted. They were gonna
take the money and they were gonna continue to try
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to get a nuclear weapon, which I hope Trump has
finally woken up to Again. We'll play the clips and
we'll see if this time he means it. Back to
the Wall Street Journal, with technical talks on the issue
barely commencing. They barely even started talking about the what
happens to the uranium? Do you get to have a
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peaceful enriching program, inspectors, all the important stuff that most
of us were screaming about, saying the important stuff. If
it's the important stuff, you have to get that first,
then you give them the money. You can't give them
the money and expect them to then sit down and
seriously negotiate away their opportunity to have a nuclear weapon.
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So that's where the whole thing is. Books will be
written someday, I hope I live long enough to read them,
explaining why jd. Vance a week and a half ago,
two weeks ago, came out and said, you know what's
really cool is the IRGC now realizes it was a
mistake all those years to be an enemy of the
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United States, and they now want to just be a
regular country. I mean, that was just childlike either lying
or your father, be your wishes, being the father of
your thoughts, blindness or something.
Speaker 5 (06:50):
I don't even know what that is.
Speaker 4 (06:51):
Naive at a level that jd Vance is way too
smart to be that naive. I don't know what he
was talking about, But anyway, Iran turned out to be
we thought Iran was, so we got a lot more
on that, and some of the stuff Trump said was
really interesting. The only thing is does he mean it?
Does he actually recognize he's dealing with violent, nihilistic kooks.
Speaker 5 (07:13):
Remember we called them crazy effors a couple of months back.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
He was right then, He was right when he called
them crazy mfers, not what he and Jad were saying
a couple of weeks ago. You know, it's cool, they've
come around. I'm dealing with good some good people. They
want the same things we want. I just I don't
get it. And Trump is at the big NATO summit
right now, and he is sitting with Zelensky and taking
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questions as we speak about the Ukraine Russia war. Different war,
also very important to the world. And we'll bring you
any of the breaking news out of that, and I
guarantee there will be some. I was just looking at
the group picture for NATO, you know, on all the
talk since Trump's first about NATO being the greatest alliance
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in the world history and Trump not valuing it. And
my take has always been, they don't value it. They
didn't value it first, they don't even support it themselves.
So I was looking at that group picture. You got
Trump and is it thirty seven other world leaders, thirty
eight countries. I think in NATO something in that area,
and you got all those world leaders there.
Speaker 5 (08:21):
Trump's standing there.
Speaker 4 (08:22):
And the reality is, because I saw the numbers yesterday,
we always have been NATO, and at least for the
foreseeable future were NATO until they spend a lot more money.
We contribute almost nine hundred billion dollars, nine hundred billion
dollars to the NATO operation, whereas all of those other countries,
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the other thirty seven, thirty eight, thirty six, whatever countries
it is, are good for about five hundred and fifty billion.
So that's where that is. That's why the commander of
NATO is always an American. It should be because it's
our military that's keeping the thing powerful enough to have
any effect on the world. Oh, by the way, the
Secretary of General, which is Secretary General of NATO, which
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is a foreigner, often with a thick accent, he actually
backed Trump this morning. When he was asked about our
attacks on Iran overnight. The NATO Secretary General said, well,
the United States had no choice. Iran violated the agreement,
et cetera, et cetera, which is really really good news.
(09:28):
And the first time NATO has said anything positive about
this really that I can remember, since the beginning. I
was just watching Fox and Friends a little bit ago
and Trump's former White House press spokesman, what's her name,
the blonde, I don't remember her name. She said that
there's very little chance, based on her reporting that europe
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ponies up any ships or anything to try.
Speaker 5 (09:53):
To force the Straight of Horror moves open.
Speaker 4 (09:54):
Though, So while NATO might be on board with we
had to hit them, they're not willing to like.
Speaker 5 (09:59):
Put me skin in the game in terms of trying
to open the Straight.
Speaker 4 (10:03):
By the way, as far as opening the Straight, there
was some reporting that came out over the weekend that
I had not heard. Trump was fully on board with
forcing open the Straight, with our military using the US
military might to get that dang thing open, which we
would be able to do it would it would be,
it would be it'd be violent, it'd be kinetic, and
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we'd probably lose guys. But Trump was willing to do
that and had made the decision, and Saudi Arabia intervened
and said, no, please, don't do that, absolutely don't do that,
and we backed off, which is its own interesting story
that I look forward to reading the details about someday
when these books history books are written by people that
were involved in the negotiations. But there is a lot
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going on around this whole thing, And the big question
is has Donald Trump finally had his eyes opened to
maybe with Putin and the Iranians, that everybody's not like
a New York real estate developer. They're not in it
for their own financial interest. They aren't going to do
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a deal that's in there that favors them. They don't
care about that. They have other weird goals with Putin.
It's being the next Peter the Great and expanding Russia
and all this sort of stuff.
Speaker 5 (11:20):
With the Mullahs in Iran.
Speaker 4 (11:22):
Obviously we know that it's some sort of strange version
of Islam that they believe in where they want to
kill all the Jews and bring about paradise or something.
That's not like dealing with a land developer who just
wants five percent more than you offered. You can't make
deals with these crazy people. And I hope he's finally
realized that speaking to crazy people and Trump calling him that,
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let's open the show officially so you can hear that.
I'm Jack Armstrong, He's Joe Getty. This is the official
opening of the show on this It is Wednesday, July eighth.
Speaker 5 (11:51):
Year, twenty twenty six.
Speaker 4 (11:52):
According to the FCC, we are supposed to start the
show at Mark.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Because he fire John at the IMOU.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Dead it's a very interesting question to me. I think
it's over. I don't want to deal with them an
with this gum. You know what scum is. There's scum,
there's sick people. They're lit by sick people, and they're vicious,
violent people.
Speaker 5 (12:17):
And if they had a nuclear weapon.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
They'd use it. As far as I'm concerned, it is over.
Speaker 5 (12:23):
That's a major deal.
Speaker 4 (12:25):
I mean, obviously they were touting that as a huge
diplomatic breakthrough and proof of the art of the deal
and all kinds of different things just a couple of
weeks ago. And now he's saying it's dead and these
guys are scum. And later he calls them kooks, which
will play that clip, and he said, I think the
most important part of this whole story, and I don't
know how many of you believe this.
Speaker 5 (12:45):
I believe it wholeheartedly.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
If they had a nuclear weapon, they would use it,
which obviously would be the biggest thing that happened in
world history. If they used aggressively a nuclear weapon on Israel.
Speaker 5 (12:57):
Or the United States. It's a it's a big deal.
This is a big deal.
Speaker 4 (13:02):
This is not just your normal Middle East dust up
that you can ignore anyway.
Speaker 5 (13:06):
We've got a lot more on that coming up later.
Speaker 4 (13:08):
He is taking questions in Turkey right now at the
NATO summit, so they'll probably be news made while we're
on the air today. We've got headlines on the way
please stay here, So we are going to talk to
our old friend David Drugger. He's down with the Dispatch
about the rise of democratic socialists. But I got plenty
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of stuff that has nothing to do with war or politics,
Like I definitely want to get to this piece ahead
of the New York Times over the weekend about how
they think they are wrong about the eight hours of
sleep thing being the right number for people, which is
worth hearing. About the sleep stuff they had in this article,
I as a guy who doesn't get enough sleep and
wants to know more about the importance of sleep.
Speaker 5 (13:52):
I thought it was really, really interesting. So I'll definitely
get to this hour. First. Let's check the headlines though,
with Heather Meyers. Heather, Yeah, good morning.
Speaker 6 (13:59):
We have a major preaking news coming to us this morning.
From that native summon from CNN, Trump says ceasefire over
after US and Iran trade stripes from the Washington Post,
same story frame like this, Trump says ceasefire is over,
calling its leader's scum. And from ABC News, oil prices
jump nearly six percent after Trump says ceasefire with Iran
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is over.
Speaker 4 (14:21):
Still it's seventy something of dollars a barrel though oil,
so it's way below the scary numbers we were talking
about earlier in the war. The question is whether this
is just a negotiating tactic from Trump the hole we're
out of the MoU or by the end of the
day he will say it's back on and he'll say
the IRGC came to me and they sound very sincere,
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and I think this time they're ready to talk if
he falls for it yet again.
Speaker 6 (14:48):
And there's more news coming to us from the same summit.
From CNBC, Trump says he doesn't want anything to do
with Spain cut off all trade.
Speaker 4 (14:57):
He says, right, and he did that like just off
the top of his head.
Speaker 5 (15:01):
We've got the clip of that. It's pretty funny. We'll
play that for you later.
Speaker 6 (15:04):
CBS News. DJ threatens criminal action against states that allow
non citizens to vote.
Speaker 5 (15:11):
Well, they should seems obviously I should. The non citizens
shouldn't vote.
Speaker 4 (15:16):
They should have criminal action against states that allowed my
sentence was non understandable, Heather.
Speaker 6 (15:23):
From NBC News. Prosecution shows video showing suspect in Charlie
Kirk shooting on campus before the attack.
Speaker 4 (15:30):
Yeah, I don't have any doubt that he's the guy
that did it, but I know some of the conspiracy
people out there don't think it's in.
Speaker 6 (15:38):
From CNN reflecting pool being drained again as Trump administration
tries once more to fix Landmark.
Speaker 5 (15:45):
That's a storlogy.
Speaker 6 (15:47):
Going away News Nation now. Eighty year old man caught
with three hundred and forty five pounds of cocaine at
US border.
Speaker 5 (15:56):
One guy I.
Speaker 6 (15:57):
Was in Texas. Yes, you have to under wonder what
was going on there or if somebody plays drugs on
him at eighty years old. That's tough. CBS News unstable
building on East forty second Street forces evacuations in midtown Manhattan.
Speaker 4 (16:12):
That led all the newscasts last night because they're based
out of New York.
Speaker 5 (16:15):
I thought that was amazing.
Speaker 4 (16:17):
I mean, that's it's an interesting story, but it's not
as interesting as we're back.
Speaker 6 (16:21):
At war, right, Yes, definitely, CNBC far more real estate
agents now report seeing a balanced market.
Speaker 5 (16:29):
Huh, I'll be down.
Speaker 4 (16:31):
I see sure, see a lot more signs than I've
seen in a long time.
Speaker 5 (16:34):
I mean not signs like I'm seeing sign.
Speaker 4 (16:37):
Now literal little literally for sale signs on houses.
Speaker 5 (16:41):
More than I've seen since pre pandemic, I think.
Speaker 6 (16:45):
And from the Babylon Bee this morning, us back in
World Cup after Trump deports Belgian team.
Speaker 4 (16:52):
That's what we should have done. Should have done that
before they played. Thank you very much, Heathery. Thanks and
again man that match yesterday with Argentina going down to nothing,
and it looked like the greatest player of all time
that was going to be.
Speaker 5 (17:03):
His last match, but they made a comeback. All I
was exciting.
Speaker 4 (17:08):
What's the deal with all the socialists taken over the
Democratic Party? Or is that actually what's going on. We'll
talk to David Drucker about that. And do you actually
need eight hours of sleep?
Speaker 5 (17:16):
All coming up, Armstrong and Getty.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
We are told that America is exceptional because we are richer, stronger,
more powerful than everyone else. The truth, my friends, is
that America is exceptional because here nothing is fixed into place.
The frontier may be closed, we may have walked on
the moon, but the work of fulfilling the values first
enshrined in the Declaration of Independence. That work endures, and
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it belongs to us all. It belongs to to our
newest Americans, those standing here with me today, all of
whom were recently naturalized.
Speaker 5 (17:54):
SAT's a mayor of New York City.
Speaker 4 (17:55):
Maybe you've heard of him, this guy Umdanti and he
is a Democratic Socialist and he.
Speaker 5 (18:01):
Is the leader of that movement, I guess.
Speaker 4 (18:04):
And they are on the march, and they've won a
bunch of primaries, of course, across the country, including another
one what last weekend in Colorado. And then you've got
the issue of has the momentum of that crowd, the
most progressive part of the Democratic Party moved from the
whole sexuality, gay trans stuff to the israel anti Semitic thing?
Speaker 5 (18:31):
Is that the driving force?
Speaker 4 (18:32):
These are all interesting questions for David Drucker is a
senior writer with The Dispatch and follows this sort of stuff.
Speaker 5 (18:38):
How are you, David.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
Good?
Speaker 4 (18:41):
How do you tell what's actually happening in America versus
what's happening on Twitter? Because it's very easy to get
misled by online stuff, and things seem bigger than they are,
or more people seem angrier than they are.
Speaker 5 (18:56):
How do you tell what's actually happening.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
Yeah, well, look, I mean I think sometimes you know,
we make the mistake of saying it's only about this
or only about that, when in truth, you know, these
it can be about everything, and these answers can be
you know, complex, which of course is really annoying to people. Right.
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You know, you know what I will say, you know,
in coquering campaigns and traveling the country, I mean, voters
are broadly concerned about the same things, and they usually
are always concerned about the same things. In this case,
it's affordability. It's a sense of you know, being upset
that Washington has been working in the way they want
it to work. Political volatility, and there's some terms of
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concerns about public safety because you know, you know the
community you're in, the differences are how do you deal
with that? How do you fix these problems? Who are
the right political leaders in the right you know what
what party? Right? So when I'm in Indiana and Kentucky, Yeah,
they're talking about you a portability issue and they're talking about,
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you know, this sense that Washington isn't working properly. But
their answer generally is, you know, people should should follow
the lead of the President Donald Trump Moore and stop
fighting with him if you're a Republican or the problem
or the Democrats. Right now, I'm in Michigan, I'm covering
the Democratic set of primary, so I'm talking to Democratic voters,
and affordability is top of mind for everybody, the real
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problem from their perspective, President Donald Trump and the Republicans.
And and you know, one of the reasons why L.
S i. E. Doctor Abdula said, who's the progressive candidate
in this primary? He says he's not a socialist, but
he's a progressive. His big message, and he just says
it over and over again, is, you know, take money
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out of politics, put money in your pocket, pass medicare
for all.
Speaker 5 (20:54):
Right.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
And if you look at the rise of Donald Trump
and the Republican populace, where they agree is would constantly
talk about special interests and money in politics being the
problems that's causing all of the corruption. And so again
it's America's generally identifying the same problems but coming up
with different solutions. Because obviously, if you're a Republican, the
idea of single payer, nationalized healthcare is anathema, and there
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are all sorts of problems with it. And then finally
when we get to this issue of Israel, and I
think there's no doubt that there is a strain of
anti Semitism on the left that's stronger than the strain
of anti Semitism on the rights that they exist on
both the right and the left. No doubt the strain
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of being against Israel is much stronger on the left
than you know, some of the online voices we see
from that regard on the right. But for some voters,
and we don't know yet because the polling can be
really complex, and most Jewish voters in every state in
America are Democrats, is for some voters, I think the
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idea of demonizing APAX and being anti Israel is code
for I'm against the status quo and the establishment. The
brother voters, it's just a case of jew hate and
being against Israel and giving no agency to the Palestinians
who committed atrocities on October seventh, Palestinians in southern Lebanon
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who are threatening israel security, an agency to the Iranians
who are paying for all of this and themselves threatening
Israel's existence, And so it can be an amalgam of
all this, I will tell you. I mean doctor al
Sayid is unapologetically and open about his opposition to Israel's
existence as a Jewish state. And Hailey Stevens, who is
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the establishment candidate in this race in a cycle where
it's not good to be an establishment democratic candidate in
a democratic primary, says the key difference between us is
that I support Israel's rights exist and he doesn't, and
he doesn't try and wheezse a lot of that. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (23:03):
I saw the clip from the debate last night, and
I mean that's something to have a guy standing on
a stage who says I don't believe Israel should exist.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
Yeah, and there are a lot of Democratic candidates like
that in some form or another. I think that's very concerning.
You know, if you're an American Jew, or you're an
American Christian or an American atheist who cares about Israel
security and thinks the US is Israel alliance is good
for American national security, all of this should be very concerning.
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But you know, aside from that, to me is very
part and parcel of what we've seen over the past
you know, twenty years. I remember in Oa Barack Obama
as a candidate for president, saying that he would talk
to the Ayantolas in Iran and we'd get up people
that were a part of the foreign policy to see
estab who's been flipped out. You can't put an American
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presidege at risk by talking to these murderers. And then
we saw President Trump as a candidate talk about, you know,
his willingness to talk to Iran and do deals, and
then being willing to meet with Kim John Gunn, one
of the biggest rogue, you know, murdering leaders in the
world and lending American credibility to this jag off, and
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the foreign policy establishment flipped, you know, flipped out, but
he went and did it. And there are many American
voters who, after nine to eleven and the Warner Rock
and a great recession, felt like all the things we
were doing that we were supposed to do weren't working.
And so maybe these things were not supposed to do
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won't work, but it's time to try these things. And
in that regard, I don't think you can automatically say
that that some of these socialists or progressive candidates that
have these you know, sort of weird views you know
from certain perspectives anyway, are necessarily going to be rejected
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by voters.
Speaker 4 (25:05):
Yeah, I think you're onto something with this idea that
it it's people who just don't like the status quo,
and so they get lumped into socialist or whatever categories.
Sometimes there are some There are actual socialists out there,
no doubt, but you know, like we saw with the
Rhiza McCrone or Trump himself or whatever, it's people that
just I want something different. So I'm willing to try
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to try, willing to try something wildly different because on
the socialist front, unless things have changed a ton. My
whole life of following politics, when when Gallup would pull
all kinds of different qualities about candidates, socialists would always
finish dead last among like every other possible thing you
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could be with, socialists would finish last.
Speaker 5 (25:48):
So how does this fit?
Speaker 1 (25:51):
Well, Look, I think, first of all, you know, we
have to try to understand what I'm Beerican's saying, and
they hear socialists. A lot of this is coming from
upwardly mobile upward. Well, let me back up here, because
I'm using the wrong the wrong terminology. A lot of
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this that we have seen in these house districts with
the rise of the self professed socialists and Democratic Socialists
of America affiliated candidates. These they're they're winning these elections
because of educated white voters, many of whom came from
financially well off or at least, you know, very solid
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middle class manties. These are not destitute, down and out people,
but they're people that believe that they're college educations and
their they're professional crudentials should by them more mobility and
more financial independence. And they're unhappy. And so you know,
if you hear a candidate who says had a care
for all, We're going to give you a bunch of
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free stuff, and they they think it's all free and
that's great. To other people, we're going to tax the rich,
tax the billionaires and take their wealth. So these are
not people that are for higher taxes. They're for higher
taxes on other people. These are people that feel and
by the way, this is you know, separately, well, this
is a public policy question that should be addressed. When
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people feel immobile, when people feel like they can't get ahead,
you know, we can brownbeep them. But this is a
this is an issue that needs to be addressed. But
Aside from that, I don't think they're looking at this
as a as a system or as a set of
policies that are going to reduce their freedoms and make
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it harder for them to get ahead. They think it's
going to make it easier for them to order seven
dollars launtes and have a nice lost in Brooklyn. And
I mean that it sounds like I'm I'm, you know,
being flippant, but I'm not, because these are people. When
you look at a lot of these house districts, it's
not the non white voters that are turning out establishments
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and traditional Democratic incumbents of candidates. It's a lot. It's
a lot of these you know, college educated, graduate degree educated,
PhD educated white voters who don't feel like they're being
adequately compensated for all the work they've put in. And
so it's a public policy question, but it also suggests
(28:21):
that they don't think they're voting to live in Eastern Europe.
They think that this is how they're going to get
the American dream the capitalism is supposed to get.
Speaker 4 (28:29):
How are there enough of those people though, you know,
graduate degree white over educated in degrees where you can't
actually make a living. How is there enough of those
people to have this much effect on one of the
major parties.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
Well, look, our politics is very balkanized. So you're talking
a few house districts, but a few how you know,
it's the old rule of journalism free is a trend.
But you know, we're seeing as what I mean, Denver's
first district. Let's just get out of New York for
a minute. It's a very fair, very blue districts, right,
and you have, you know, multiple candidates in some cases,
(29:07):
other cases it's a it's a head to head. But
you know, our politics are balkanized. These people are in
very blue districts. We further redistricted on both sides, and
so it's very easy to end up with UH candidates
like this. It's very to be reminiscent of the Tea
Party on the Republican side. Yeah, where you get these
(29:29):
anti establishment conservative populists and you know, and they were
running government and lower taxes and I'm sure they can't
I'm sure they believe that, but really, did we just
lose David beating up the established Republican It was all
about fighting the establishment, beating up the established for of
Republican Party, and you know, we saw the effect on
(29:52):
the GP for a few years, but that led us
to President Trump.
Speaker 5 (29:56):
Uh. David Drugger's senior writer with The Dispatch.
Speaker 4 (29:58):
I think you're right about all that's off, David, And
I don't always think you're always right about everything, but
I think you're right about everything you said today, and
I appreciate your time every time.
Speaker 5 (30:08):
Yeah, I absolutely think that.
Speaker 4 (30:10):
I mean, I'm worried about the embrace of socialism and
by young people, no doubt about it. But I think
it's driven by just a I don't like the way
thing the way things are. Throw it at the wall
and see what sticks. Anti current power structure. I think
that there's just a ton of that energy all over
(30:32):
the place, all over the Western civilization, as we've seen
all kinds of governments brought down.
Speaker 5 (30:37):
Macrown's such a good example of that. But we don't
have time to get into that now. And I love that. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (30:43):
So these are people that, uh, they already have a
great life. You you grew up middle middle, upper class
or upper class. You've got a graduate degree at a
fancy college that isn't worth anything, and you feel like
you should have a better life than you have, and
so your vote for socialists. Not fully understanding what he
was even going on there. I like the idea of
(31:05):
the guy says I'm not a socialist, but I want
medicare for all.
Speaker 5 (31:08):
That's hilarious.
Speaker 4 (31:10):
There are actual Marxists out there, there's no doubt about that,
who want to slip all this in through the back
door or front door, or however they can get it going.
But man, these are interesting times to live through, all
for all Western democracies. Really, I'm sure we'll be talking
about that more in the coming days. That race up
in Michigan is super interesting. We got a clip from
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you don't actually need eight hours of sleep. It's super interesting,
among other things. On the way, stay here, armstrong. So
I'm gonna talk about sleep here. This article that this
guest essay was in the New or Times over the
(33:00):
weekend by some doctor with the latest sleep science. And
I find sleep to be interesting, and I don't get
enough of it. I live on less than I should,
and I know that's really really bad for me. But
the headline of this was you may not need eight
hours of sleep, which obviously has never been a hard
(33:23):
fast rule. It's some people need nine, some people need seven,
et cetera, and it's bad for you if you don't
get enough sleep. Reports find that adults with the highest
mortality rates were those who slept nine to eleven hours
a night. Though getting more sleep is killing more people,
(33:43):
getting well nine to eleven I can't say too much
because you don't know how much anybody needs, and there's
all kinds of other things that might go along with it.
But when they broke down the meta analysis that means
lots and lots and lots of sleep studies from around
the world and really big bulk studies as opposed to
little individual studies, they found that there's a higher mortality
(34:04):
rate among the nine to eleven hour crowd than there
is the five to seven hour crowd, which is really interesting.
The risk grows with short sleep. The study to not
find much difference in all cause mortality between six and
seven hours a night, so all we know it's bad
(34:25):
for all kinds of stuff with your brain and proteins
and this and that, and there might be some link
with dementia, But in terms of just dying, which is
I think something most of us are trying to avoid.
More people are dying between nine an hour and eleven
hours of sleep a night than there are between six
and seven. The problem with any kind of study like
(34:46):
this is the sort of person who's sleeping ten hours
a night has all kinds of other different lifestyle patterns,
probably probably not going to the gym, probably not exercise
a probably depressed, probably all kinds of things that also
would lead to earlier death than people who sleep less.
(35:10):
Sleep quality and irregularity of the routine may matter more
than the duration of sleep. A consistent good quality six
and a half hours a night, that's probably what I
average when I'm doing it right, is six and a
half hours in which you go to better around the
same time every evening probably carries less risk than a fragmented,
anxious eight hour routine or pattern in which sleep varies
(35:31):
wildly night tonight. So six and a half of consistent
good quality at the same time every day they think
is better than eight hours that is not that good,
and your pattern.
Speaker 5 (35:44):
Varies a lot.
Speaker 4 (35:48):
Persistent short sleep duration that's defined as less than six hours,
and man, I don't need much sleep, but I get
less than six and I'm struggling. When you start to
get older is associated with a thirty per increased dementia
risk compared to normal sleep duration. I've got some more
numbers around this that are pretty interesting, but that's the
one that really got my attention. And if you're getting
(36:09):
less than six that's really not much sleep. But the
ties with dementia on that are highly troubling. I don't
know how you live on less than six consistently. I've
done it for weeks at a time and it almost
made me insane. We bombed the heck out of Iran yesterday?
What does that mean? We'll talk to Mike Lions an
hour two, among other things. If you miss it, gets
(36:31):
the podcast Armstrong and Getty on demand Armstrong and Getty
Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio the George
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Speaker 2 (00:12):
Know he.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
Arms rang.
Speaker 4 (00:23):
From the studio ce a dimly left room deep with
on a vowels of the Armstrong and getting communications compound.
Speaker 5 (00:33):
And Joe is still on vacation.
Speaker 4 (00:36):
I'm celebrating his fortieth wedding anniversary with his wife Judy,
and he'll be back in just a couple of days.
Lots of big news overnight. Maybe I'll start here just
before we get into the serious stuff. I don't know
much about soccer. Well, the announcers kept calling it one
of the best soccer matches in World Cup history that
(00:59):
have And yesterday between Argentina, the defending World Cup champ,
which features the greatest soccer player of all time according
to most people, Lionel Messi, and they almost lost to
Egypt yesterday and they fell behind nothing and at the
almost eighty minute mark, they played for ninety minutes more
(01:21):
or less. At the almost eighty minute mark it was
still to nothing. And then the defending champions went on
a barrage, including Messi scoring a really cool goal and
won three to two. And I'll tell you what, first
time in my life I was ever excited watching soccer
and really enjoyed it and got into it stuff like that.
Speaker 5 (01:39):
First time that's ever happened to me.
Speaker 4 (01:41):
And I don't know why, if I've just watched enough
to understand enough, or the announcers are doing a good
enough job to bring me along, or because it's in
the United States or whatever.
Speaker 5 (01:49):
But that was pretty cool. That was pretty cool.
Speaker 4 (01:52):
And now they're down to the final eight, which of
course the United States is not in on the match
we lost the other day, thirty million people tuned into
that in the United States to watch USA soccer, and
that's the biggest audience for a soccer match ever in
the history of the United States.
Speaker 5 (02:12):
So I don't know if that means we're awakening to
the sport or not. I have no idea.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
Now to the real news that once we get started
on it's going to be hard to stop. Overnight, we
bombed the crap out of Iran, and most importantly, Donald
Trump said, as far as he's concerned, the MoU, the
ceasefire is over. The whole thing is dead, and that's
a major deal for him to announce that because of
course that was his baby. He and Jade Vance particularly
(02:42):
were out there. As you know if you've been listening
to the show, they were selling it hard there for
a couple of days, with all kinds of critics on
all sides, left, right and center. I mean, Fox criticized
it all day long, in addition to your CNNs and
your MSNBC's in your mainstream media. And Trump and pushed
it and pushed it and pushed it, and Iran turned
(03:02):
out to be exactly what we thought they were. They
bombed a couple of ships, a couple more ships, They've
bombed lots of ships trying to go through the straight
of horror moves during the ceasefire, and Trump said enough
and earlier in the day, and this didn't get as
much attention as the bombing. Earlier in the day, the
Secretary of the Treasury announced, don't get to trade oil anymore.
(03:23):
So one of the worst things we did, I think
with the Memorandum of understanding was allow them to start
making money again off of oil sales before they agreed
to any of the stuff we wanted them to degree
agreed to around nuclear weapons, et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 5 (03:41):
They got the money first.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
Well, this is how they've paid the world back by
bombing ships that try to go through the straight of
horror moves. So we cut that off. They're no longer
allowed to sell oil legally. They'll still try to sell
it illegally, but their days of legal selling oil are
over for now. And then we bombed the crap out
of them with a pretty hard strike. I guess we'll
(04:02):
find out how big a strike that was when we
talked to Mike Lyons a little bit later this morning,
but from what I read from the people that I
believe in, it was significantly more than we usually do.
And then Trump announced the deals over as far as
he's concerned. We'll play that clip in a little bit.
These are nut jobs and I don't trust them anymore.
(04:23):
Behind the scenes, the Wall Street Journal reporting today, which
is pretty interesting, the Iranian regime has access to more
than half of the missiles and launchers that it had
before the conflict. Remember, we had devastated them pretty badly.
But it's been what four or five months, and with
the help of China and Russia are good friends.
Speaker 5 (04:46):
Sarcastic China and Russia.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
Helping them rebuild their missile rocket capability. They've got more
than half of what they started with, so they're in
shape to wage war, no doubt. And this is the
most important part. People close to the talks say there
has been no substantive progress made yet by the US
(05:08):
Iranian teams on the final nuclear agreement, the important stuff,
the you don't get to have a nuclear weapon. We're
gonna sit down and have a serious conversation about it.
They've made no progress on that zero as of yesterday,
which is what most of us predicted. They were gonna
take the money and they were gonna continue to try
(05:28):
to get a nuclear weapon, which I hope Trump has
finally woken up to Again. We'll play the clips and
we'll see if this time he means it. Back to
the Wall Street Journal, with technical talks on the issue
barely commencing. They barely even started talking about the what
happens to the uranium? Do you get to have a
(05:51):
peaceful enriching program, inspectors, all the important stuff that most
of us were screaming about, saying the important stuff. If
it's the important stuff, you have to get that first,
then you give them the money. You can't give them
the money and expect them to then sit down and
seriously negotiate away their opportunity to have a nuclear weapon.
(06:14):
So that's where the whole thing is. Books will be
written someday, I hope I live long enough to read them,
explaining why jd. Vance a week and a half ago,
two weeks ago, came out and said, you know what's
really cool is the IRGC now realizes it was a
mistake all those years to be an enemy of the
(06:35):
United States, and they now want to just be a
regular country. I mean, that was just childlike either lying
or your father, be your wishes, being the father of
your thoughts, blindness or something.
Speaker 5 (06:50):
I don't even know what that is.
Speaker 4 (06:51):
Naive at a level that jd Vance is way too
smart to be that naive. I don't know what he
was talking about, But anyway, Iran turned out to be
we thought Iran was, so we got a lot more
on that, and some of the stuff Trump said was
really interesting. The only thing is does he mean it?
Does he actually recognize he's dealing with violent, nihilistic kooks.
Speaker 5 (07:13):
Remember we called them crazy effors a couple of months back.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
He was right then, He was right when he called
them crazy mfers, not what he and Jad were saying
a couple of weeks ago. You know, it's cool, they've
come around. I'm dealing with good some good people. They
want the same things we want. I just I don't
get it. And Trump is at the big NATO summit
right now, and he is sitting with Zelensky and taking
(07:41):
questions as we speak about the Ukraine Russia war. Different war,
also very important to the world. And we'll bring you
any of the breaking news out of that, and I
guarantee there will be some. I was just looking at
the group picture for NATO, you know, on all the
talk since Trump's first about NATO being the greatest alliance
(08:03):
in the world history and Trump not valuing it. And
my take has always been, they don't value it. They
didn't value it first, they don't even support it themselves.
So I was looking at that group picture. You got
Trump and is it thirty seven other world leaders, thirty
eight countries. I think in NATO something in that area,
and you got all those world leaders there.
Speaker 5 (08:21):
Trump's standing there.
Speaker 4 (08:22):
And the reality is, because I saw the numbers yesterday,
we always have been NATO, and at least for the
foreseeable future were NATO until they spend a lot more money.
We contribute almost nine hundred billion dollars, nine hundred billion
dollars to the NATO operation, whereas all of those other countries,
(08:44):
the other thirty seven, thirty eight, thirty six, whatever countries
it is, are good for about five hundred and fifty billion.
So that's where that is. That's why the commander of
NATO is always an American. It should be because it's
our military that's keeping the thing powerful enough to have
any effect on the world. Oh, by the way, the
Secretary of General, which is Secretary General of NATO, which
(09:07):
is a foreigner, often with a thick accent, he actually
backed Trump this morning. When he was asked about our
attacks on Iran overnight. The NATO Secretary General said, well,
the United States had no choice. Iran violated the agreement,
et cetera, et cetera, which is really really good news.
(09:28):
And the first time NATO has said anything positive about
this really that I can remember, since the beginning. I
was just watching Fox and Friends a little bit ago
and Trump's former White House press spokesman, what's her name,
the blonde, I don't remember her name. She said that
there's very little chance, based on her reporting that europe
(09:50):
ponies up any ships or anything to try.
Speaker 5 (09:53):
To force the Straight of Horror moves open.
Speaker 4 (09:54):
Though, So while NATO might be on board with we
had to hit them, they're not willing to like.
Speaker 5 (09:59):
Put me skin in the game in terms of trying
to open the Straight.
Speaker 4 (10:03):
By the way, as far as opening the Straight, there
was some reporting that came out over the weekend that
I had not heard. Trump was fully on board with
forcing open the Straight, with our military using the US
military might to get that dang thing open, which we
would be able to do it would it would be,
it would be it'd be violent, it'd be kinetic, and
(10:24):
we'd probably lose guys. But Trump was willing to do
that and had made the decision, and Saudi Arabia intervened
and said, no, please, don't do that, absolutely don't do that,
and we backed off, which is its own interesting story
that I look forward to reading the details about someday
when these books history books are written by people that
were involved in the negotiations. But there is a lot
(10:45):
going on around this whole thing, And the big question
is has Donald Trump finally had his eyes opened to
maybe with Putin and the Iranians, that everybody's not like
a New York real estate developer. They're not in it
for their own financial interest. They aren't going to do
(11:07):
a deal that's in there that favors them. They don't
care about that. They have other weird goals with Putin.
It's being the next Peter the Great and expanding Russia
and all this sort of stuff.
Speaker 5 (11:20):
With the Mullahs in Iran.
Speaker 4 (11:22):
Obviously we know that it's some sort of strange version
of Islam that they believe in where they want to
kill all the Jews and bring about paradise or something.
That's not like dealing with a land developer who just
wants five percent more than you offered. You can't make
deals with these crazy people. And I hope he's finally
realized that speaking to crazy people and Trump calling him that,
(11:42):
let's open the show officially so you can hear that.
I'm Jack Armstrong, He's Joe Getty. This is the official
opening of the show on this It is Wednesday, July eighth.
Speaker 5 (11:51):
Year, twenty twenty six.
Speaker 4 (11:52):
According to the FCC, we are supposed to start the
show at Mark.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Because he fire John at the IMOU.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Dead it's a very interesting question to me. I think
it's over. I don't want to deal with them an
with this gum. You know what scum is. There's scum,
there's sick people. They're lit by sick people, and they're vicious,
violent people.
Speaker 5 (12:17):
And if they had a nuclear weapon.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
They'd use it. As far as I'm concerned, it is over.
Speaker 5 (12:23):
That's a major deal.
Speaker 4 (12:25):
I mean, obviously they were touting that as a huge
diplomatic breakthrough and proof of the art of the deal
and all kinds of different things just a couple of
weeks ago. And now he's saying it's dead and these
guys are scum. And later he calls them kooks, which
will play that clip, and he said, I think the
most important part of this whole story, and I don't
know how many of you believe this.
Speaker 5 (12:45):
I believe it wholeheartedly.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
If they had a nuclear weapon, they would use it,
which obviously would be the biggest thing that happened in
world history. If they used aggressively a nuclear weapon on Israel.
Speaker 5 (12:57):
Or the United States. It's a it's a big deal.
This is a big deal.
Speaker 4 (13:02):
This is not just your normal Middle East dust up
that you can ignore anyway.
Speaker 5 (13:06):
We've got a lot more on that coming up later.
Speaker 4 (13:08):
He is taking questions in Turkey right now at the
NATO summit, so they'll probably be news made while we're
on the air today. We've got headlines on the way
please stay here, So we are going to talk to
our old friend David Drugger. He's down with the Dispatch
about the rise of democratic socialists. But I got plenty
(13:31):
of stuff that has nothing to do with war or politics,
Like I definitely want to get to this piece ahead
of the New York Times over the weekend about how
they think they are wrong about the eight hours of
sleep thing being the right number for people, which is
worth hearing. About the sleep stuff they had in this article,
I as a guy who doesn't get enough sleep and
wants to know more about the importance of sleep.
Speaker 5 (13:52):
I thought it was really, really interesting. So I'll definitely
get to this hour. First. Let's check the headlines though,
with Heather Meyers. Heather, Yeah, good morning.
Speaker 6 (13:59):
We have a major preaking news coming to us this morning.
From that native summon from CNN, Trump says ceasefire over
after US and Iran trade stripes from the Washington Post,
same story frame like this, Trump says ceasefire is over,
calling its leader's scum. And from ABC News, oil prices
jump nearly six percent after Trump says ceasefire with Iran
(14:20):
is over.
Speaker 4 (14:21):
Still it's seventy something of dollars a barrel though oil,
so it's way below the scary numbers we were talking
about earlier in the war. The question is whether this
is just a negotiating tactic from Trump the hole we're
out of the MoU or by the end of the
day he will say it's back on and he'll say
the IRGC came to me and they sound very sincere,
(14:44):
and I think this time they're ready to talk if
he falls for it yet again.
Speaker 6 (14:48):
And there's more news coming to us from the same summit.
From CNBC, Trump says he doesn't want anything to do
with Spain cut off all trade.
Speaker 4 (14:57):
He says, right, and he did that like just off
the top of his head.
Speaker 5 (15:01):
We've got the clip of that. It's pretty funny. We'll
play that for you later.
Speaker 6 (15:04):
CBS News. DJ threatens criminal action against states that allow
non citizens to vote.
Speaker 5 (15:11):
Well, they should seems obviously I should. The non citizens
shouldn't vote.
Speaker 4 (15:16):
They should have criminal action against states that allowed my
sentence was non understandable, Heather.
Speaker 6 (15:23):
From NBC News. Prosecution shows video showing suspect in Charlie
Kirk shooting on campus before the attack.
Speaker 4 (15:30):
Yeah, I don't have any doubt that he's the guy
that did it, but I know some of the conspiracy
people out there don't think it's in.
Speaker 6 (15:38):
From CNN reflecting pool being drained again as Trump administration
tries once more to fix Landmark.
Speaker 5 (15:45):
That's a storlogy.
Speaker 6 (15:47):
Going away News Nation now. Eighty year old man caught
with three hundred and forty five pounds of cocaine at
US border.
Speaker 5 (15:56):
One guy I.
Speaker 6 (15:57):
Was in Texas. Yes, you have to under wonder what
was going on there or if somebody plays drugs on
him at eighty years old. That's tough. CBS News unstable
building on East forty second Street forces evacuations in midtown Manhattan.
Speaker 4 (16:12):
That led all the newscasts last night because they're based
out of New York.
Speaker 5 (16:15):
I thought that was amazing.
Speaker 4 (16:17):
I mean, that's it's an interesting story, but it's not
as interesting as we're back.
Speaker 6 (16:21):
At war, right, Yes, definitely, CNBC far more real estate
agents now report seeing a balanced market.
Speaker 5 (16:29):
Huh, I'll be down.
Speaker 4 (16:31):
I see sure, see a lot more signs than I've
seen in a long time.
Speaker 5 (16:34):
I mean not signs like I'm seeing sign.
Speaker 4 (16:37):
Now literal little literally for sale signs on houses.
Speaker 5 (16:41):
More than I've seen since pre pandemic, I think.
Speaker 6 (16:45):
And from the Babylon Bee this morning, us back in
World Cup after Trump deports Belgian team.
Speaker 4 (16:52):
That's what we should have done. Should have done that
before they played. Thank you very much, Heathery. Thanks and
again man that match yesterday with Argentina going down to nothing,
and it looked like the greatest player of all time
that was going to be.
Speaker 5 (17:03):
His last match, but they made a comeback. All I
was exciting.
Speaker 4 (17:08):
What's the deal with all the socialists taken over the
Democratic Party? Or is that actually what's going on. We'll
talk to David Drucker about that. And do you actually
need eight hours of sleep?
Speaker 5 (17:16):
All coming up, Armstrong and Getty.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
We are told that America is exceptional because we are richer, stronger,
more powerful than everyone else. The truth, my friends, is
that America is exceptional because here nothing is fixed into place.
The frontier may be closed, we may have walked on
the moon, but the work of fulfilling the values first
enshrined in the Declaration of Independence. That work endures, and
(17:46):
it belongs to us all. It belongs to to our
newest Americans, those standing here with me today, all of
whom were recently naturalized.
Speaker 5 (17:54):
SAT's a mayor of New York City.
Speaker 4 (17:55):
Maybe you've heard of him, this guy Umdanti and he
is a Democratic Socialist and he.
Speaker 5 (18:01):
Is the leader of that movement, I guess.
Speaker 4 (18:04):
And they are on the march, and they've won a
bunch of primaries, of course, across the country, including another
one what last weekend in Colorado. And then you've got
the issue of has the momentum of that crowd, the
most progressive part of the Democratic Party moved from the
whole sexuality, gay trans stuff to the israel anti Semitic thing?
Speaker 5 (18:31):
Is that the driving force?
Speaker 4 (18:32):
These are all interesting questions for David Drucker is a
senior writer with The Dispatch and follows this sort of stuff.
Speaker 5 (18:38):
How are you, David.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
Good?
Speaker 4 (18:41):
How do you tell what's actually happening in America versus
what's happening on Twitter? Because it's very easy to get
misled by online stuff, and things seem bigger than they are,
or more people seem angrier than they are.
Speaker 5 (18:56):
How do you tell what's actually happening.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
Yeah, well, look, I mean I think sometimes you know,
we make the mistake of saying it's only about this
or only about that, when in truth, you know, these
it can be about everything, and these answers can be
you know, complex, which of course is really annoying to people. Right.
(19:19):
You know, you know what I will say, you know,
in coquering campaigns and traveling the country, I mean, voters
are broadly concerned about the same things, and they usually
are always concerned about the same things. In this case,
it's affordability. It's a sense of you know, being upset
that Washington has been working in the way they want
it to work. Political volatility, and there's some terms of
(19:42):
concerns about public safety because you know, you know the
community you're in, the differences are how do you deal
with that? How do you fix these problems? Who are
the right political leaders in the right you know what
what party? Right? So when I'm in Indiana and Kentucky, Yeah,
they're talking about you a portability issue and they're talking about,
(20:03):
you know, this sense that Washington isn't working properly. But
their answer generally is, you know, people should should follow
the lead of the President Donald Trump Moore and stop
fighting with him if you're a Republican or the problem
or the Democrats. Right now, I'm in Michigan, I'm covering
the Democratic set of primary, so I'm talking to Democratic voters,
and affordability is top of mind for everybody, the real
(20:27):
problem from their perspective, President Donald Trump and the Republicans.
And and you know, one of the reasons why L.
S i. E. Doctor Abdula said, who's the progressive candidate
in this primary? He says he's not a socialist, but
he's a progressive. His big message, and he just says
it over and over again, is, you know, take money
(20:50):
out of politics, put money in your pocket, pass medicare
for all.
Speaker 5 (20:54):
Right.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
And if you look at the rise of Donald Trump
and the Republican populace, where they agree is would constantly
talk about special interests and money in politics being the
problems that's causing all of the corruption. And so again
it's America's generally identifying the same problems but coming up
with different solutions. Because obviously, if you're a Republican, the
idea of single payer, nationalized healthcare is anathema, and there
(21:20):
are all sorts of problems with it. And then finally
when we get to this issue of Israel, and I
think there's no doubt that there is a strain of
anti Semitism on the left that's stronger than the strain
of anti Semitism on the rights that they exist on
both the right and the left. No doubt the strain
(21:42):
of being against Israel is much stronger on the left
than you know, some of the online voices we see
from that regard on the right. But for some voters,
and we don't know yet because the polling can be
really complex, and most Jewish voters in every state in
America are Democrats, is for some voters, I think the
(22:05):
idea of demonizing APAX and being anti Israel is code
for I'm against the status quo and the establishment. The
brother voters, it's just a case of jew hate and
being against Israel and giving no agency to the Palestinians
who committed atrocities on October seventh, Palestinians in southern Lebanon
(22:28):
who are threatening israel security, an agency to the Iranians
who are paying for all of this and themselves threatening
Israel's existence, And so it can be an amalgam of
all this, I will tell you. I mean doctor al
Sayid is unapologetically and open about his opposition to Israel's
existence as a Jewish state. And Hailey Stevens, who is
(22:48):
the establishment candidate in this race in a cycle where
it's not good to be an establishment democratic candidate in
a democratic primary, says the key difference between us is
that I support Israel's rights exist and he doesn't, and
he doesn't try and wheezse a lot of that. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (23:03):
I saw the clip from the debate last night, and
I mean that's something to have a guy standing on
a stage who says I don't believe Israel should exist.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
Yeah, and there are a lot of Democratic candidates like
that in some form or another. I think that's very concerning.
You know, if you're an American Jew, or you're an
American Christian or an American atheist who cares about Israel
security and thinks the US is Israel alliance is good
for American national security, all of this should be very concerning.
(23:35):
But you know, aside from that, to me is very
part and parcel of what we've seen over the past
you know, twenty years. I remember in Oa Barack Obama
as a candidate for president, saying that he would talk
to the Ayantolas in Iran and we'd get up people
that were a part of the foreign policy to see
estab who's been flipped out. You can't put an American
(23:56):
presidege at risk by talking to these murderers. And then
we saw President Trump as a candidate talk about, you know,
his willingness to talk to Iran and do deals, and
then being willing to meet with Kim John Gunn, one
of the biggest rogue, you know, murdering leaders in the
world and lending American credibility to this jag off, and
(24:20):
the foreign policy establishment flipped, you know, flipped out, but
he went and did it. And there are many American
voters who, after nine to eleven and the Warner Rock
and a great recession, felt like all the things we
were doing that we were supposed to do weren't working.
And so maybe these things were not supposed to do
(24:42):
won't work, but it's time to try these things. And
in that regard, I don't think you can automatically say
that that some of these socialists or progressive candidates that
have these you know, sort of weird views you know
from certain perspectives anyway, are necessarily going to be rejected
(25:03):
by voters.
Speaker 4 (25:05):
Yeah, I think you're onto something with this idea that
it it's people who just don't like the status quo,
and so they get lumped into socialist or whatever categories.
Sometimes there are some There are actual socialists out there,
no doubt, but you know, like we saw with the
Rhiza McCrone or Trump himself or whatever, it's people that
just I want something different. So I'm willing to try
(25:26):
to try, willing to try something wildly different because on
the socialist front, unless things have changed a ton. My
whole life of following politics, when when Gallup would pull
all kinds of different qualities about candidates, socialists would always
finish dead last among like every other possible thing you
(25:46):
could be with, socialists would finish last.
Speaker 5 (25:48):
So how does this fit?
Speaker 1 (25:51):
Well, Look, I think, first of all, you know, we
have to try to understand what I'm Beerican's saying, and
they hear socialists. A lot of this is coming from
upwardly mobile upward. Well, let me back up here, because
I'm using the wrong the wrong terminology. A lot of
(26:12):
this that we have seen in these house districts with
the rise of the self professed socialists and Democratic Socialists
of America affiliated candidates. These they're they're winning these elections
because of educated white voters, many of whom came from
financially well off or at least, you know, very solid
(26:35):
middle class manties. These are not destitute, down and out people,
but they're people that believe that they're college educations and
their they're professional crudentials should by them more mobility and
more financial independence. And they're unhappy. And so you know,
if you hear a candidate who says had a care
for all, We're going to give you a bunch of
(26:55):
free stuff, and they they think it's all free and
that's great. To other people, we're going to tax the rich,
tax the billionaires and take their wealth. So these are
not people that are for higher taxes. They're for higher
taxes on other people. These are people that feel and
by the way, this is you know, separately, well, this
is a public policy question that should be addressed. When
(27:17):
people feel immobile, when people feel like they can't get ahead,
you know, we can brownbeep them. But this is a
this is an issue that needs to be addressed. But
Aside from that, I don't think they're looking at this
as a as a system or as a set of
policies that are going to reduce their freedoms and make
(27:38):
it harder for them to get ahead. They think it's
going to make it easier for them to order seven
dollars launtes and have a nice lost in Brooklyn. And
I mean that it sounds like I'm I'm, you know,
being flippant, but I'm not, because these are people. When
you look at a lot of these house districts, it's
not the non white voters that are turning out establishments
(28:00):
and traditional Democratic incumbents of candidates. It's a lot. It's
a lot of these you know, college educated, graduate degree educated,
PhD educated white voters who don't feel like they're being
adequately compensated for all the work they've put in. And
so it's a public policy question, but it also suggests
(28:21):
that they don't think they're voting to live in Eastern Europe.
They think that this is how they're going to get
the American dream the capitalism is supposed to get.
Speaker 4 (28:29):
How are there enough of those people though, you know,
graduate degree white over educated in degrees where you can't
actually make a living. How is there enough of those
people to have this much effect on one of the
major parties.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
Well, look, our politics is very balkanized. So you're talking
a few house districts, but a few how you know,
it's the old rule of journalism free is a trend.
But you know, we're seeing as what I mean, Denver's
first district. Let's just get out of New York for
a minute. It's a very fair, very blue districts, right,
and you have, you know, multiple candidates in some cases,
(29:07):
other cases it's a it's a head to head. But
you know, our politics are balkanized. These people are in
very blue districts. We further redistricted on both sides, and
so it's very easy to end up with UH candidates
like this. It's very to be reminiscent of the Tea
Party on the Republican side. Yeah, where you get these
(29:29):
anti establishment conservative populists and you know, and they were
running government and lower taxes and I'm sure they can't
I'm sure they believe that, but really, did we just
lose David beating up the established Republican It was all
about fighting the establishment, beating up the established for of
Republican Party, and you know, we saw the effect on
(29:52):
the GP for a few years, but that led us
to President Trump.
Speaker 5 (29:56):
Uh. David Drugger's senior writer with The Dispatch.
Speaker 4 (29:58):
I think you're right about all that's off, David, And
I don't always think you're always right about everything, but
I think you're right about everything you said today, and
I appreciate your time every time.
Speaker 5 (30:08):
Yeah, I absolutely think that.
Speaker 4 (30:10):
I mean, I'm worried about the embrace of socialism and
by young people, no doubt about it. But I think
it's driven by just a I don't like the way
thing the way things are. Throw it at the wall
and see what sticks. Anti current power structure. I think
that there's just a ton of that energy all over
(30:32):
the place, all over the Western civilization, as we've seen
all kinds of governments brought down.
Speaker 5 (30:37):
Macrown's such a good example of that. But we don't
have time to get into that now. And I love that. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (30:43):
So these are people that, uh, they already have a
great life. You you grew up middle middle, upper class
or upper class. You've got a graduate degree at a
fancy college that isn't worth anything, and you feel like
you should have a better life than you have, and
so your vote for socialists. Not fully understanding what he
was even going on there. I like the idea of
(31:05):
the guy says I'm not a socialist, but I want
medicare for all.
Speaker 5 (31:08):
That's hilarious.
Speaker 4 (31:10):
There are actual Marxists out there, there's no doubt about that,
who want to slip all this in through the back
door or front door, or however they can get it going.
But man, these are interesting times to live through, all
for all Western democracies. Really, I'm sure we'll be talking
about that more in the coming days. That race up
in Michigan is super interesting. We got a clip from
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weekend by some doctor with the latest sleep science. And
I find sleep to be interesting, and I don't get
enough of it. I live on less than I should,
and I know that's really really bad for me. But
the headline of this was you may not need eight
hours of sleep, which obviously has never been a hard
(33:23):
fast rule. It's some people need nine, some people need seven,
et cetera, and it's bad for you if you don't
get enough sleep. Reports find that adults with the highest
mortality rates were those who slept nine to eleven hours
a night. Though getting more sleep is killing more people,
(33:43):
getting well nine to eleven I can't say too much
because you don't know how much anybody needs, and there's
all kinds of other things that might go along with it.
But when they broke down the meta analysis that means
lots and lots and lots of sleep studies from around
the world and really big bulk studies as opposed to
little individual studies, they found that there's a higher mortality
(34:04):
rate among the nine to eleven hour crowd than there
is the five to seven hour crowd, which is really interesting.
The risk grows with short sleep. The study to not
find much difference in all cause mortality between six and
seven hours a night, so all we know it's bad
(34:25):
for all kinds of stuff with your brain and proteins
and this and that, and there might be some link
with dementia, But in terms of just dying, which is
I think something most of us are trying to avoid.
More people are dying between nine an hour and eleven
hours of sleep a night than there are between six
and seven. The problem with any kind of study like
(34:46):
this is the sort of person who's sleeping ten hours
a night has all kinds of other different lifestyle patterns,
probably probably not going to the gym, probably not exercise
a probably depressed, probably all kinds of things that also
would lead to earlier death than people who sleep less.
(35:10):
Sleep quality and irregularity of the routine may matter more
than the duration of sleep. A consistent good quality six
and a half hours a night, that's probably what I
average when I'm doing it right, is six and a
half hours in which you go to better around the
same time every evening probably carries less risk than a fragmented,
anxious eight hour routine or pattern in which sleep varies
(35:31):
wildly night tonight. So six and a half of consistent
good quality at the same time every day they think
is better than eight hours that is not that good,
and your pattern.
Speaker 5 (35:44):
Varies a lot.
Speaker 4 (35:48):
Persistent short sleep duration that's defined as less than six hours,
and man, I don't need much sleep, but I get
less than six and I'm struggling. When you start to
get older is associated with a thirty per increased dementia
risk compared to normal sleep duration. I've got some more
numbers around this that are pretty interesting, but that's the
one that really got my attention. And if you're getting
(36:09):
less than six that's really not much sleep. But the
ties with dementia on that are highly troubling. I don't
know how you live on less than six consistently. I've
done it for weeks at a time and it almost
made me insane. We bombed the heck out of Iran yesterday?
What does that mean? We'll talk to Mike Lions an
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