September 14, 2026 • 36 mins
Hour 1 of A&G features...
- AI development, AI dangers & Trump lifts tariffs on Irish Whiskey
- Katie Green's Headlines!
- Maher on terrorists & 9/11
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio at the
George Washington Broadcast Center. Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty. Armstrong
and Getty. And now, here's Armstrong and Getty. Live, live,
live from Studio CCC. Si, senor. A dimly lit room
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deep in the bowels of the.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Armstrong and Getty communications compound. And hey, y'all, kicking off.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
A brand new week. This week, what's it going to
be like.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
I wonder? Oh.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
Is this going to be the week all my dreams
come true?
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Maybe.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
Win the lottery, meet Mrs.
Speaker 4 (00:41):
Wright.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
Or is this the week I march to my car
with a cardboard box?
Speaker 5 (00:46):
And I get a letter from the IRS saying you
completely missed like four years.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
You don't remember.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Yeah, I just went on a prediction market and bet
on the second one. Anyway, welcome to the show. And
we're toiling under the title of the show today. Western
liberal values under attack from everyone but space aliens.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
I mean, do you think about it? Islamism? The left.
The right. The socialists. The apathy. Oh, boy.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Or if you prefer, AI Uh-Oh Part 2 of 1000.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Wow. This topic is not going away. No kidding. It
definitely exploded over the weekend.
Speaker 5 (01:29):
Finally, as a guy who's been obsessed with this for
a while and watching all the videos and reading all
the books and listening to all the podcasts, now everybody.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
Is talking about it. It's pretty darned interesting.
Speaker 5 (01:43):
Man, over the weekend, I mean, Dario from Anthropic was
all over the place on every show, wrote that big
letter on Saturday, open letter that we'll talk about later.
And the Twitterverse was all excited with all kinds of
different comments from all the different people, all the heavyweights
in the AI industry weighing in. So it's definitely at
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peak people talking about it. Here's one of my favorite
things I came across over the weekend. I don't know
who this guy is who tweeted this out, but it's
about the whole AI thing and the way that the
guy runs Anthropic and the guy runs OpenAI and Elon
running that one and everything. We invented a Roomba chainsaw
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combo that unexpectedly sliced through our neighbor's house and toddler.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Who could have foreseen this? Who should be held responsible?
What should we do? Wow. Wow.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
All right, so here's my, that's hilarious. Horrible, but hilarious.
Here's my philosophical thought. Hang with me now. A rumble
chainsaw combo.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Who could have imagined that something.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Would have gone wrong? That's a really good metaphor.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
So you remember back when we mocked a clip of
Wolf Blitzer, who his crutch became good thing or bad thing.
Everything had to be reduced to that. And it was
so emblematic of the idiocy of most of the media,
that's as deep as they go. This might be the
ultimate example of, he's right, those people contradicting him are right,
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those people over there begging us to consider this are right, and.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
The cynics who are saying none of it's as big
as they're saying, they're right too.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
It's a swirling mix of, yeah, they have a self-interest
in promoting regulation.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
And maybe there should be regulation.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
And, you know, the doomers are right, but maybe they're
not entirely pure of heart.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
And just to.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
Shout good thing or bad thing at this, which is
what mostly happens in the media, is just, I think
it's missing the point.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
This is an enormous new challenge. Well, for the crowd
who thinks this is only.
Speaker 5 (03:58):
regulatory capture to try to stay in the lead i
think that's just nuts there are way too many people
that have been writing talking about ai their whole lives
who have no financial gain that i can see that
they they get from this agree that we're on the
verge of a catastrophe and something needs to be done
right so it's what you said regulatory capture would help
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anthropic if they put in all these guardrails so you
can't have any competition And he's completely right that it's
about to go off the rails, and we better wake
up to it.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
And the insiders in this field, they're extremely important to
look to for a greater understanding of what we're talking about.
On the other hand, I'll remind you folks, and this
is not a good idea. This may be the best idea.
We have civilian control of the military.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
In the United States. Why is that?
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Because maybe generals aren't the best people to decide whether
we go to war or not. Likewise, the AI superpowers,
maybe they're not the ones who ought to be in charge.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
Of the big philosophical decisions.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Oh, boy.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Or the regulatory decisions. On that front, holy cow.
Speaker 5 (05:10):
Watching Dario in a couple of the shows over the weekend,
talking about anthropic and AI and everything like that. He
is probably some level of super genius with AI. And,
you know, he's so much smarter than me.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Yeah. I can't comment on anything like that.
Speaker 5 (05:26):
But he ain't smarter than me when it comes to
human nature and world geopolitics. He sounds like an idiot.
I thought his answers on Face the Nation yesterday were
like high school level embarrassing on the way he sees
the competition of the globe or the way countries interact
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with each other.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
So, you know, and not surprising.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
It's the same reason we never want to quote actors
or athletes.
Speaker 5 (05:56):
They've dedicated their whole lives to one specific thing. They
don't know anything about the big picture. He doesn't understand
the world at all.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
You know, we'll just work with China.
Speaker 5 (06:06):
I think if we get a whole bunch of different
governments together, including China, and work together, give me a break.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
You child. You child. So you're right, having these.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
I don't know who else you're going to put in charge, though,
because who else is going to understand the product enough?
Speaker 1 (06:24):
Well, that's the thing.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
They absolutely have to be involved, but I don't know
if you need another example of it. How did it
go having your county health authority, some... dude or chick
who is just an expert more or less on like
healthcare systems. How did it go having them in charge
of all public policy during COVID? They knew nothing about
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economics in general. They knew nothing about education, human psychology.
They knew nothing but the very narrow field.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
They were in.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
But we're going to trust the scientists was the practically religious.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
Chant at the time. This is a similar situation.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
We need a panel of our best thinkers to assemble
and deal with this challenge.
Speaker 5 (07:12):
Yeah, and you bringing up COVID, I felt that at
some point over the weekend, taking in some of this.
Because if you haven't been following this, there's a lot
of new information since last week when that guy came
forward and a couple other people came forward and said,
you know, behind the closed doors, they're talking about all
of humanity being killed. probably I don't know that. A
fair amount happened over the weekend, but what was my point? Oh,
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it felt like COVID at one.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Point to me.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
It was like when the world woke up to how
real this is and how big a deal this is
going to be, that's what it felt like over the
weekend to me with the whole AI thing.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Like, oh, holy crap, what's going on here? What happens next,
I do not know.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
I know we both have some really good, interesting, comprehensible
stuff on What has developed over the last several days
and the growing understanding of how these systems may have
come to do the crazy stuff they did and the
extent to which the super brain of an AI system
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functions very much like a human brain. But as one
thinker writer put it, we have no neurological science of
these things. It's actually disturbingly similar to our lack of
understanding about how the human brain actually works. I mean,
we're getting better, but we're a long way from full understanding.
It does stuff that we never expected. And we can't explain.
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And we can't even tell you how it happened. And
yet it happened.
Speaker 6 (08:44):
Right.
Speaker 5 (08:44):
And the Wall Street Journal big, I think it's their
editorial board piece today.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
Yeah, really good. about this and this sentence stuck out
to me.
Speaker 5 (08:53):
Again, if you haven't been following this, AI development is
moving ahead at blazing speed, much faster than expected, feeding
a growing sense of dread within companies that it was
in danger of spinning.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
Out of control.
Speaker 5 (09:06):
Yeah, the experts who had been predicting how fast this
was all going to get to the point that they
couldn't control it are shocked at how fast it has
taken off in like the last six months.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Right.
Speaker 5 (09:20):
And if you thought you understood the hugging face hack,
it is so much more interesting and disturbing.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
Than we all thought it was.
Speaker 5 (09:31):
Now that people have had a chance to go in
and really look at how it unfolded.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
It's just, are these things alive or what? The way
they think.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
We're constantly being cautioned by listeners and experts to not
anthropomorphize these things. They're not humans. They don't, think like humans.
They're just predictors. They predict the next word, etc.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
etc.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
I would suggest that you fellows give a good read
to some of the stuff that's come out in the
last few days because I'd love to have your perspective.
But they behaved very much in ways human beings would
behave in terms of decisions, moral, practical, well, moral and
immoral and practical.
Speaker 5 (10:16):
They seem to have the ability to get excited about
things or scared about things.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Or anxious or protective. They seem to have all of
those qualities.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
And the AI agents, which is still a term most
of us are trying to wrap our little heads around,
would get into conflicts and shame each other into doing
what the majority demanded of them, including throw themselves on
a live grenade, as it were.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
So what is that?
Speaker 4 (10:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (10:45):
So more on this later. A lot happened over the weekend.
Interesting stuff. And a ton of other things to get to, too.
The NFL season kicked off.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
A lot of excitement there. Let's start the show officially.
I'm Jack Armstrong. He's Joe Getty. On this, it is
a Monday, September 14th. I have jury duty. Am I
going to end up on trial today? I'll find out.
Speaker 5 (11:03):
The year 2026, we are Armstrong and Getty, and we
approve of this program.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
On trial or on a trial? A trial.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Because I'd love to see justice finally brought down upon you.
Speaker 5 (11:13):
That is going to be a plot twist if I
walk into the room and they say, glad you're here.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
No, no, you don't sit there. You sit over here. No,
the judge says, this is a rare opportunity.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
We are going to exercise Clause 437C and put one
of the jurors on trial for his sins instead of
that guy over there. All right, let's begin officially according
to FCC rules and regulations.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
Here we go at Mark. Everybody's been bugging me. They're saying,
would you do me a favor? It's so unfair what's
going on.
Speaker 4 (11:41):
Could you possibly take the tariffs off of Irish whiskey?
On behalf of the United States of America, I am
going to take the tariffs off.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
That's Trump in Ireland at his golf course.
Speaker 5 (12:00):
Taking the tariffs off Irish whiskey because it made the
crowd happy.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
And illustrating to school kids and citizens like, this is
how we craft policy in the United States.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
This is how we pass laws. Oh, my God.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
Oh, boy.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
The crowd loved it, though. The crowd loved it.
Speaker 4 (12:23):
Great.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Great.
Speaker 5 (12:26):
So Katie has got her headlines on the way. We
have some fun, frivolity, disturbing. Man, there's new stuff in
the Clancy trial.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
Katie and Michael, because I doubt you've seen it.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Well, Katie may have.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
What is the hottest sector in commercial real estate right now?
Fastest growing, smartest place to put your money. Jack, you
got your confused face on, so you get to guess, too.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
I have no idea. I'll give you 50 guesses. Shopping malls.
Speaker 7 (12:56):
Oh, really?
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Shopping malls are staging a comeback. Indoor malls are getting
hot again. What kind of store?
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Counting them out, they're back, folks. What kind of store?
I want to hear about that.
Speaker 6 (13:07):
Yeah, okay.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
Yeah, we'll talk about that. Here comes Sears. Sears. Bring
back Sears. And why not Roebuck while we're at it? Exactly.
If you're young, Google it. All of that on the way.
Stay here. Armstrong and Getty.
Speaker 5 (13:23):
You see, if you invented a Roomba chainsaw combo, you
would know it's going to wreak havoc. So, you know,
you shouldn't be surprised is the comparison to A.I.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Yeah, especially if you throw in and the Roomba decides
that its geofencing is inconvenient and annoying. It's going to
start ignoring it. All right, let's figure out who's reporting what.
It's the Leaf Story with Katie Green.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
Katie. All righty, the Alphabet Network's ABC.
Speaker 7 (13:49):
Oil prices rise after strikes in Saudi Arabia and the
Strait of Hormuz. Hormuz, Houthis, and the pipeline strikes. Saudi
Arabia's list of big problems is growing. That one's from NBC.
And CBS, Iran-backed Houthis capture more territory in Yemen.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
Trump lectured Zelensky yesterday, stop attacking refineries in Russia. You're
causing the price of diesel to go up.
Speaker 8 (14:16):
Yikes.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
That makes me insane.
Speaker 6 (14:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
All right, lots of tech from here.
Speaker 7 (14:22):
NBC News, China dismisses AI slowdown, calls and blasts fear-mongering
from the United States tech leaders.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
Here's where we run a little audio of Dario Amadei saying,
all the countries just need to work together.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
Oh, God. New York Times.
Speaker 7 (14:41):
Obama urges Democrats to move AI oversight to the center
of their agenda.
Speaker 5 (14:46):
Yeah, he told Hakeem Jeffries, who very likely is going
to be the Speaker of the House in a year,
make this the center of Democrats.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
And anybody running for president in 2028, make this the
center of their agenda. platform.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
This is a great example of what I was talking about,
how all these different points are, they have some validity
to them. But like Barack Obama realizes as a Democrat,
one of their main strategies is scare people into giving
us more power, whether it's health care or global warming
or now this.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
That's the strategy. Never let a crisis go to waste
over and over again.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
Well, and my fear, like I said last week, is
that this becomes like masks or vaccines, an.
Speaker 5 (15:25):
Issue where one party is Four worrying about this, and
the other party acts like it's no big deal, and
that would not be a good place to end up.
Speaker 7 (15:35):
From the Wall Street Journal, at restaurants, phones are becoming
the new cigarettes.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
Oh, I hope so. That'd be awesome.
Speaker 4 (15:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
That would be awesome if you see somebody on their
phone or talking on their phone in a restaurant. It's
like they're smoking at their table. Yeah, I was all
excited about that article, but turns out they just cited
a few examples like in hipster enclaves.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
But maybe it's green shoots, as they say, the beginning
of something. I thought this one was bizarre from study finds.
Speaker 7 (16:04):
Seattle has nine times more coyotes per square mile than
Washington's wildlands.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
Wow. Where do they live? They're just roaming the streets.
There's just a bunch of pictures of coyotes roaming the streets.
Are they on drugs? A lot of the humans are.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
Probably.
Speaker 7 (16:25):
And finally, from the Babylon Bee, man paying $ 5 a
gallon for gas sure is glad that he stuck it
to Elon Musk by getting rid of his Tesla.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
Yeah, I got.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
Flipped off good and hard yesterday in my Tesla by
somebody who hates Elon. everything's got to be coded as something.
That's what I'm saying about AI. If it becomes coded,
then we're really doomed. Armstrong and Getty.
Speaker 5 (16:52):
Elon with a very short tweet over the weekend. Dario
is right about the essay that was put out from
Anthropic about the dangers of AI, and we'll talk about
that a little bit later, the developments that happened over
the last 72 hours. Man, this rant, speech, Performance by
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Bill Maher from Friday night is getting a lot of
attention in all circles.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
Certainly a lot of positive attention.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
Among a lot of my favorite right-leaning people as he
took on the whole topic of Islamofascism and 9-11 and
the way we look at it currently versus then. Bill
Maher has been pretty consistently hardcore against any soft peddling
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Muslim fundamentalism.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
Over the years. He did some of that on Friday night.
Let's listen to it.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
So much has changed since 9-11. For example, back then,
we were against the terrorists.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
Really, no cap.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
Now, Now, a lot of media outlets don't even want
you to say the T-word. On the 20th anniversary, four
American journalism associations put out guidance that said that terrorism
should only be used in quotes because it's emotionally and
politically loaded. We can't anymore just say out loud who
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the bad guys were that morning, those 19 hijackers.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
They shared something. Oh, let's call it a worldview.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
And it wasn't astrology. But somehow over time, we've decided
not to harp on that, the whole business about who
wanted us dead and why.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
Let's not put a name on it.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
When it comes to terrorist attacks, please, there are very
fine people on both sides.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
He goes on. Canadian state TV.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
Told its reporters, do not refer to the September 11th
attacks as terrorist attacks.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
No?
Speaker 2 (18:57):
No.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
Even though the very definition of terrorism is using violence
against civilians to pursue ideological goals, what should we call
it then?
Speaker 1 (19:06):
Unruly passenger? A wrong turn.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
Taken at the Chrysler building? Why not just say the
planes and the towers got into a fight? I mean,
after all, as the BBC advised its reporters, using the
word terrorist can be a, quote, barrier rather than an
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aid to understanding. You know what's really a barrier to understanding?
Speaker 1 (19:37):
Lying.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
Yeah, I absolutely love that, and I love the attention
it's getting. The only thing I worry about is people
will think, well, we just have to explain to the
young people.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
That the bad guys were the terrorists.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
But what they don't understand is that the kids have
picked up, the young people have picked up an entire
worldview from their education that tells them that the U.S.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
Is bad.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Therefore, anybody who attacks the U.S. can't be all that bad,
and they probably have good reasons. They believe that about
100 different things. They believe that about Luigi Mangione and
even that poor young mom who got stabbed by a lunatic. Well,
she's part of the power establishment, so I know she's bad,
so it's good she died. I mean, man, this is
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a tumor that is deep.
Speaker 5 (20:28):
How about the entities that make the journalism rules saying
you need to put terrorists in quote and should avoid
that word if possible because it's so loaded?
Speaker 1 (20:36):
What? Yeah, yeah. That's a very, very.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Even-handed excuse for doing what they want to do for
the reasons I've just explained.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
That is amazing. Yeah, it's a very.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
Honorable-sounding way to kind of defang what happened.
Speaker 5 (20:56):
Yeah, I read a number of pieces over the weekend,
one of them pointing out that on September 12th, the
day after, If you'd have been told there wouldn't be
another major terrorist attack in the next quarter of a century,
you wouldn't have believed it.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
I wouldn't have believed it.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
That we did a really good job of, you know,
both outside and inside the United States finding a way
to stop that. But you also wouldn't have believed, and
this would have been more shocking, that 25 years later,
people wouldn't want to call it out as fundamentalist Islam
or use the word terrorist or all kinds of stuff.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
You'd have thought, Well, that's not possible. I mean, that's crazy.
But that's what happened. Well, it's so patently obvious, right?
Speaker 2 (21:40):
And even like the re-promoting of Osama bin Laden's letter
to the American people now, it gets quoted all the time,
very small sections of it, by the woke crowd to
explain that it was just, you know, it's Zionism and
America's belligerent foreign policy. But they don't read the whole
thing in which he makes it clear that, yeah... Y'all
drink alcohol. You fornicate. Your women are uncovered. You got
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gay people. We got to wipe you.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
Out in the name of Allah. I mean, he makes
it infinitely.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
Clear what his motivations are. Does American foreign policy make
the list?
Speaker 6 (22:14):
Well, yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
But as the primary motivator?
Speaker 7 (22:17):
No.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
The Koran is the primary motivator. His interpretation of it.
So we've got to be willing to say that out loud.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
Yeah. So we didn't talk about this on Friday, I
don't think. It has come up over the years.
Speaker 5 (22:32):
I saw more footage of people jumping to their deaths
in the last few days than I saw the previous
25 years.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
Are we.
Were we that soft? Are we that much coarser?
Speaker 5 (22:52):
I don't know what's going on there, but at the time,
there was a decision made that we shouldn't show that.
That's too much, the people jumping to their deaths who
are standing there.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
Have you ever been on one of those really, really
tall buildings.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
And looked out the window? They're standing there on the
ledge trying to decide, well, do I want to burn
to death? Or do I want to die instantly when
I hit the ground and choosing to jump out the window?
I can't imagine a worse situation than that. Anyway, we
decided at the time that that was too much. It
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was unnecessary to show that horrible moment to illustrate the point.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
It was decided. It was too, what's the word, gratuitous.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
I think it's sick to get ratings and excitement or
oh my gods out of somebody's final moments like that.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
I know I agree at the time. I might still agree.
I'm not sure.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
So there is the idea of violence porn that some
people will click on.
Speaker 5 (23:59):
It doesn't have to have any greater significance whatsoever. Here's
somebody dying in a horrifying way and lots of people
watch it. There's also the dealing with the reality of
what those fundamentalist Islam terrorists did in attacking people who
were just at work that morning and putting them in
that position where they had to jump out the windows.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
I don't know. I don't know where I am on that.
But we clearly have changed as a.
Speaker 5 (24:22):
Society, though, because it was all over the place over
the last several days of people jumping to their deaths.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
This topic is so interesting, and you and I have
disagreed in a way about it through the years.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
There have been times.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
When I've said I forced myself to watch the video
because I want to be as outraged as I should be.
And there's the argument, well, I'm plenty outraged without watching it.
But then there's the undeniable fact that, and there are
a thousand examples of this, human beings will be like, oh, he.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
Beat his wife, huh? Well, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
They should probably investigate that or suspend them for a
game or two or whatever. And then the video comes
out and people go crazy. Oh, it's a big, strong.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Man beating a woman. Now I get it. It's just visual.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
We're visual creatures, obviously. And sometimes it takes that for
people to fully get it. So actually watching somebody make
that decision and plunge to their death I hate to
think we're so hardened we need to see that at
this point, but maybe we are.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
Of course, the youngsters, sorry, one final bitter note, the
youngsters will look at that and say, well, yeah, it's
terrible they were in that position, but that's what America
gets for being an oppressor. Well, that's if they look
at it politically at all. I was going to say
the younger crowd, because I know this with certainly my
oldest high school boy, he and his friends have seen
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so much.
Speaker 5 (25:49):
Of this crap on the Internet. it just doesn't really
register with them. Which, I mean, desensitized to a point
that's just, there's nothing you can do about it. It's everywhere,
and you can not allow it in your house, but
the kid at school that's got the smartphone shows it
to him. Hanson and I have talked about it, because
he's got a teenager himself. It's like you, some horrifying
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thing happens that you want to hide from your kid,
and then you talk to them when they get home
from school.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
Oh yeah, I've seen that.
Speaker 5 (26:18):
I've also seen the music remix of it, and That
is a really, really interesting topic.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
And kind of sad.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
At the same time, if they look at it politically, remember,
that's what the critical theory crowd, the woke crowd, wants.
Every single class in every single school should be taught
through the lens.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
Of critical theory, critical race theory.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
So we've got a kind of wide variety of topics
going on here.
Speaker 5 (26:48):
I was explaining DEI to my son, so... Public school
English class. And somehow they got on the topic of
juries in the Clancy trial and how unfair the justice
system has been to minorities and women over the years.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
That is DEI. That is 100% DEI. That's taking a
story that's got nothing freaking to do with English whatsoever
and jamming it into the English class.
Speaker 6 (27:16):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
Wow. I thought, how, what?
Speaker 2 (27:19):
All right.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
Imagine you're teaching molecular biology and you've got to work
that stuff in.
Speaker 5 (27:25):
I was wondering about that. How are you going to
do that with math in his school? But I'll keep
an eye on it.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
Well, that reminds me.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
At some point, I'd like to do a mini feature
ad entitled, I don't know, Woke Madness or something like that.
But it will include the wonderful Helen Pluckrose's definition of
woke and how it works. And Helen, like a lot
of our favorite commentators, has the gift of an enormous
level of knowledge about this, but the ability to distill
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it down for halfwits and dullards like myself.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
So it's just absolutely wonderful. We'll get to that in
a little bit. Woke one was crazy. Woke one was crazy. Oh,
that's funny. Oh, AOC laughing reminds me.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
One listener excoriated me for claiming that AOC and Mamdani
greeted each other with a laugh and a smile at
the 9-11 thing while the names were being read and
said that's been... Debunked or something like that? I didn't...
I got it from a pretty good source. I did
not run into the debunking.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
Katie? It's on video. I know. Well, yeah, but these days... AI, please.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
I've seen Trump beating the Canadian Prime Minister with a
hockey stick.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
Good point. And I have reason to believe that was artificial.
And yelling at him to get up.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
Right.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
Exactly. That one was fairly crude, but... That is rough.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
Both idiotically hilarious and hilariously idiotic.
Speaker 5 (28:49):
Well, they were both wearing hockey uniforms. It just seems
so unlikely to me that that actually happened. But, you know,
until somebody can tell me that it's not true.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
Okay.
Speaker 6 (28:58):
All right.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
In case that emailer was true, I retract the allegation
and apologize for it. Zoran Mamdami is an Islamist and
would love to see the overthrow of the United States
Constitution in favor of the Koran.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
He is pretending to be a socialist. AOC's an actual socialist.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
They're working together to erode our system, whether they were
chuckling or not.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
So there you have it. Enjoy that. AOC's single now. Oh,
that's right. She's on the market. She's cute. She's a cutie. Oh, yeah, absolutely.
A little mouthy. Just saying. Again, candor. You want candor?
You come here for candor? There's a little candor.
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Speaker 1 (30:49):
Armstrong and Getty.
Speaker 5 (30:53):
We'll talk a little bit about the developments around AI
that occurred over the weekend. If you weren't paying attention, yeah,
there was more on Saturday and Sunday. A lot of
the heavyweights weighing in.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
And just a quick note, I went to grab the
actual text of the letter from bin Laden to the U.S.
and came across what purported to be a full translation
of it.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
It was edited. It left out the stuff I was
talking about.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
It left out the stuff that addressed the sins of
the Western world and only left in the stuff that
the woke crowd.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
Would use to say it was just about America's foreign
policy and war. See, that's it. That was his only gripe.
This is what we're up against. Holy cow. There's your
freedom-loving quote of the day.
Speaker 6 (31:33):
It's actually from Krzysztof of Poland describing the long march
through the institutions, and it relates directly to what we
were talking about.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
The long march through the institutions, not the barricades. It
was the school, the university, the media, the judiciary. I'm
reminded of the woke prosecutors who declined to prosecute crimes.
The civil service, the cultural establishment, every institution through which
a civilization transmits its values to the next generation. Capture these,
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fill them with people who share the counter-hegemonic project, and
the cultural assumptions that maintain the existing order gradually dissolve.
No barricades, no visible moment of rupture, just the slow
replacement of one culture with another. Ding!
Speaker 1 (32:20):
Mailbag. Drop us a note.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
Mailbag at Armstrong and Getty. Marina from San Diego writes,
she's catching up on shows after she went to an
educational tour in Europe with her son's high school group.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
Sounds like a wonderful trip. And has been catching up,
as I said.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
Listening in the future. It is remarkable how you stay
with stories. Sometimes your thoughts change, meaning you are open-minded
as information comes in.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
Certainly try to be.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
Saying all that, I caught two phrases you said that
I would like to see on a t-shirt. One, don't
reinforce insanity. And two, there's no idea too stupid for
the Internet.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
Yeah, no kidding. Let's see.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
Jack's 9-11 screed about why are we all weepy and
sad and hanging our heads as opposed to defiant.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
Kevin, the Texas Marine, wanting to give a shout out
to Jack on his feelings. Jack's 100% correct.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
The weak sadness of the memorials is pathetic. Instead of
standing strong in recognition, I would add in, of the
incredible heroism, selflessness, patriotism, etc., most of the useless media
went weak. Joe often says we need Navy SEALs and
we need poets. I'm worried we have too many poets.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
Yeah, no kidding.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
Try to picture any of our enemies doing the whole
rolling around in their grief thing. China.
Speaker 5 (33:45):
you know, fundamentalist Islam wherever it would be, in Gaza
or Iran or wherever. It'd just be, you know, shouting
death to America and waving AK-47s.
Speaker 6 (33:57):
Right.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
To paraphrase Abraham Lincoln in one of the greatest screeds
ever written in the English language, we can't consecrate this
ground beyond what they did.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
They consecrated the ground.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
How we pay tribute to them is to win.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
Thanks, Lincoln. Moving along. Jake in Central Valley. How much
time do we have, Michael? This is really good. So
he says, I'm a total doomer now.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
And he addresses the 10% chance of humanity being wiped
out by AI. But he says, this is how he's
thinking about it, though. It's not a one-time roll of dice.
We don't pick a number one through ten. And if
it's a six, we all become slaves to our robot overlords.
But any of the nine numbers in humanity is saved,
and AI will bring us mass abundance in intelligence.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
No, it's the opposite.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
It's a 10% chance every second of every iteration of
every country's own version of AI forever.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
It will always be 10%.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
Therefore, as the speed and complexity of these systems increases
and they iterate faster and faster, it's only a matter
of time before the dice roll is not in our favor.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
Anyway, oh, and two.
Speaker 4 (35:02):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (35:06):
So the godfather of AI, as they call him, that
Hinton dude who we've played clips from many times over
the years, I saw him asked over the weekend, everybody's wondering,
in what way will AI kill people? I mean, nobody ever,
he said, there are so many examples, it's not even
worth getting into the conversation.
Speaker 1 (35:26):
I thought, holy crap.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
It's a little like asking, how could a human being
kill another human being? But let me count the ways. Final,
final note, and we don't have time for the email,
but Paolo, frequent correspondent, points out that there are risks,
serious risks, of continuing AI development unabated.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
There are also serious risks to not doing it.
Speaker 6 (35:50):
Oof.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
I'd say. Because China ain't stopping. Sorry, Dario. I miss
the 1990s. Good times. Grunge, et cetera. That's not what
I'm thinking of, but yes.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
Armstrong and Getty.
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deep in the bowels of the.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Armstrong and Getty communications compound. And hey, y'all, kicking off.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
A brand new week. This week, what's it going to
be like.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
I wonder? Oh.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
Is this going to be the week all my dreams
come true?
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Maybe.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
Win the lottery, meet Mrs.
Speaker 4 (00:41):
Wright.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
Or is this the week I march to my car
with a cardboard box?
Speaker 5 (00:46):
And I get a letter from the IRS saying you
completely missed like four years.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
You don't remember.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Yeah, I just went on a prediction market and bet
on the second one. Anyway, welcome to the show. And
we're toiling under the title of the show today. Western
liberal values under attack from everyone but space aliens.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
I mean, do you think about it? Islamism? The left.
The right. The socialists. The apathy. Oh, boy.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Or if you prefer, AI Uh-Oh Part 2 of 1000.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Wow. This topic is not going away. No kidding. It
definitely exploded over the weekend.
Speaker 5 (01:29):
Finally, as a guy who's been obsessed with this for
a while and watching all the videos and reading all
the books and listening to all the podcasts, now everybody.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
Is talking about it. It's pretty darned interesting.
Speaker 5 (01:43):
Man, over the weekend, I mean, Dario from Anthropic was
all over the place on every show, wrote that big
letter on Saturday, open letter that we'll talk about later.
And the Twitterverse was all excited with all kinds of
different comments from all the different people, all the heavyweights
in the AI industry weighing in. So it's definitely at
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peak people talking about it. Here's one of my favorite
things I came across over the weekend. I don't know
who this guy is who tweeted this out, but it's
about the whole AI thing and the way that the
guy runs Anthropic and the guy runs OpenAI and Elon
running that one and everything. We invented a Roomba chainsaw
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combo that unexpectedly sliced through our neighbor's house and toddler.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Who could have foreseen this? Who should be held responsible?
What should we do? Wow. Wow.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
All right, so here's my, that's hilarious. Horrible, but hilarious.
Here's my philosophical thought. Hang with me now. A rumble
chainsaw combo.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Who could have imagined that something.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Would have gone wrong? That's a really good metaphor.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
So you remember back when we mocked a clip of
Wolf Blitzer, who his crutch became good thing or bad thing.
Everything had to be reduced to that. And it was
so emblematic of the idiocy of most of the media,
that's as deep as they go. This might be the
ultimate example of, he's right, those people contradicting him are right,
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those people over there begging us to consider this are right, and.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
The cynics who are saying none of it's as big
as they're saying, they're right too.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
It's a swirling mix of, yeah, they have a self-interest
in promoting regulation.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
And maybe there should be regulation.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
And, you know, the doomers are right, but maybe they're
not entirely pure of heart.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
And just to.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
Shout good thing or bad thing at this, which is
what mostly happens in the media, is just, I think
it's missing the point.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
This is an enormous new challenge. Well, for the crowd
who thinks this is only.
Speaker 5 (03:58):
regulatory capture to try to stay in the lead i
think that's just nuts there are way too many people
that have been writing talking about ai their whole lives
who have no financial gain that i can see that
they they get from this agree that we're on the
verge of a catastrophe and something needs to be done
right so it's what you said regulatory capture would help
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anthropic if they put in all these guardrails so you
can't have any competition And he's completely right that it's
about to go off the rails, and we better wake
up to it.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
And the insiders in this field, they're extremely important to
look to for a greater understanding of what we're talking about.
On the other hand, I'll remind you folks, and this
is not a good idea. This may be the best idea.
We have civilian control of the military.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
In the United States. Why is that?
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Because maybe generals aren't the best people to decide whether
we go to war or not. Likewise, the AI superpowers,
maybe they're not the ones who ought to be in charge.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
Of the big philosophical decisions.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Oh, boy.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Or the regulatory decisions. On that front, holy cow.
Speaker 5 (05:10):
Watching Dario in a couple of the shows over the weekend,
talking about anthropic and AI and everything like that. He
is probably some level of super genius with AI. And,
you know, he's so much smarter than me.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Yeah. I can't comment on anything like that.
Speaker 5 (05:26):
But he ain't smarter than me when it comes to
human nature and world geopolitics. He sounds like an idiot.
I thought his answers on Face the Nation yesterday were
like high school level embarrassing on the way he sees
the competition of the globe or the way countries interact
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with each other.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
So, you know, and not surprising.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
It's the same reason we never want to quote actors
or athletes.
Speaker 5 (05:56):
They've dedicated their whole lives to one specific thing. They
don't know anything about the big picture. He doesn't understand
the world at all.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
You know, we'll just work with China.
Speaker 5 (06:06):
I think if we get a whole bunch of different
governments together, including China, and work together, give me a break.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
You child. You child. So you're right, having these.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
I don't know who else you're going to put in charge, though,
because who else is going to understand the product enough?
Speaker 1 (06:24):
Well, that's the thing.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
They absolutely have to be involved, but I don't know
if you need another example of it. How did it
go having your county health authority, some... dude or chick
who is just an expert more or less on like
healthcare systems. How did it go having them in charge
of all public policy during COVID? They knew nothing about
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economics in general. They knew nothing about education, human psychology.
They knew nothing but the very narrow field.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
They were in.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
But we're going to trust the scientists was the practically religious.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
Chant at the time. This is a similar situation.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
We need a panel of our best thinkers to assemble
and deal with this challenge.
Speaker 5 (07:12):
Yeah, and you bringing up COVID, I felt that at
some point over the weekend, taking in some of this.
Because if you haven't been following this, there's a lot
of new information since last week when that guy came
forward and a couple other people came forward and said,
you know, behind the closed doors, they're talking about all
of humanity being killed. probably I don't know that. A
fair amount happened over the weekend, but what was my point? Oh,
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it felt like COVID at one.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Point to me.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
It was like when the world woke up to how
real this is and how big a deal this is
going to be, that's what it felt like over the
weekend to me with the whole AI thing.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Like, oh, holy crap, what's going on here? What happens next,
I do not know.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
I know we both have some really good, interesting, comprehensible
stuff on What has developed over the last several days
and the growing understanding of how these systems may have
come to do the crazy stuff they did and the
extent to which the super brain of an AI system
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functions very much like a human brain. But as one
thinker writer put it, we have no neurological science of
these things. It's actually disturbingly similar to our lack of
understanding about how the human brain actually works. I mean,
we're getting better, but we're a long way from full understanding.
It does stuff that we never expected. And we can't explain.
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And we can't even tell you how it happened. And
yet it happened.
Speaker 6 (08:44):
Right.
Speaker 5 (08:44):
And the Wall Street Journal big, I think it's their
editorial board piece today.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
Yeah, really good. about this and this sentence stuck out
to me.
Speaker 5 (08:53):
Again, if you haven't been following this, AI development is
moving ahead at blazing speed, much faster than expected, feeding
a growing sense of dread within companies that it was
in danger of spinning.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
Out of control.
Speaker 5 (09:06):
Yeah, the experts who had been predicting how fast this
was all going to get to the point that they
couldn't control it are shocked at how fast it has
taken off in like the last six months.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Right.
Speaker 5 (09:20):
And if you thought you understood the hugging face hack,
it is so much more interesting and disturbing.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
Than we all thought it was.
Speaker 5 (09:31):
Now that people have had a chance to go in
and really look at how it unfolded.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
It's just, are these things alive or what? The way
they think.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
We're constantly being cautioned by listeners and experts to not
anthropomorphize these things. They're not humans. They don't, think like humans.
They're just predictors. They predict the next word, etc.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
etc.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
I would suggest that you fellows give a good read
to some of the stuff that's come out in the
last few days because I'd love to have your perspective.
But they behaved very much in ways human beings would
behave in terms of decisions, moral, practical, well, moral and
immoral and practical.
Speaker 5 (10:16):
They seem to have the ability to get excited about
things or scared about things.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Or anxious or protective. They seem to have all of
those qualities.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
And the AI agents, which is still a term most
of us are trying to wrap our little heads around,
would get into conflicts and shame each other into doing
what the majority demanded of them, including throw themselves on
a live grenade, as it were.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
So what is that?
Speaker 4 (10:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (10:45):
So more on this later. A lot happened over the weekend.
Interesting stuff. And a ton of other things to get to, too.
The NFL season kicked off.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
A lot of excitement there. Let's start the show officially.
I'm Jack Armstrong. He's Joe Getty. On this, it is
a Monday, September 14th. I have jury duty. Am I
going to end up on trial today? I'll find out.
Speaker 5 (11:03):
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On trial or on a trial? A trial.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Because I'd love to see justice finally brought down upon you.
Speaker 5 (11:13):
That is going to be a plot twist if I
walk into the room and they say, glad you're here.
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No, no, you don't sit there. You sit over here. No,
the judge says, this is a rare opportunity.
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We are going to exercise Clause 437C and put one
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going on.
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On behalf of the United States of America, I am
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That's Trump in Ireland at his golf course.
Speaker 5 (12:00):
Taking the tariffs off Irish whiskey because it made the
crowd happy.
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And illustrating to school kids and citizens like, this is
how we craft policy in the United States.
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This is how we pass laws. Oh, my God.
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The crowd loved it, though. The crowd loved it.
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Great.
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Great.
Speaker 5 (12:26):
So Katie has got her headlines on the way. We
have some fun, frivolity, disturbing. Man, there's new stuff in
the Clancy trial.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
Katie and Michael, because I doubt you've seen it.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Well, Katie may have.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
What is the hottest sector in commercial real estate right now?
Fastest growing, smartest place to put your money. Jack, you
got your confused face on, so you get to guess, too.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
I have no idea. I'll give you 50 guesses. Shopping malls.
Speaker 7 (12:56):
Oh, really?
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Shopping malls are staging a comeback. Indoor malls are getting
hot again. What kind of store?
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Counting them out, they're back, folks. What kind of store?
I want to hear about that.
Speaker 6 (13:07):
Yeah, okay.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
Yeah, we'll talk about that. Here comes Sears. Sears. Bring
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If you're young, Google it. All of that on the way.
Stay here. Armstrong and Getty.
Speaker 5 (13:23):
You see, if you invented a Roomba chainsaw combo, you
would know it's going to wreak havoc. So, you know,
you shouldn't be surprised is the comparison to A.I.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Yeah, especially if you throw in and the Roomba decides
that its geofencing is inconvenient and annoying. It's going to
start ignoring it. All right, let's figure out who's reporting what.
It's the Leaf Story with Katie Green.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
Katie. All righty, the Alphabet Network's ABC.
Speaker 7 (13:49):
Oil prices rise after strikes in Saudi Arabia and the
Strait of Hormuz. Hormuz, Houthis, and the pipeline strikes. Saudi
Arabia's list of big problems is growing. That one's from NBC.
And CBS, Iran-backed Houthis capture more territory in Yemen.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
Trump lectured Zelensky yesterday, stop attacking refineries in Russia. You're
causing the price of diesel to go up.
Speaker 8 (14:16):
Yikes.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
That makes me insane.
Speaker 6 (14:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
All right, lots of tech from here.
Speaker 7 (14:22):
NBC News, China dismisses AI slowdown, calls and blasts fear-mongering
from the United States tech leaders.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
Here's where we run a little audio of Dario Amadei saying,
all the countries just need to work together.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
Oh, God. New York Times.
Speaker 7 (14:41):
Obama urges Democrats to move AI oversight to the center
of their agenda.
Speaker 5 (14:46):
Yeah, he told Hakeem Jeffries, who very likely is going
to be the Speaker of the House in a year,
make this the center of Democrats.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
And anybody running for president in 2028, make this the
center of their agenda. platform.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
This is a great example of what I was talking about,
how all these different points are, they have some validity
to them. But like Barack Obama realizes as a Democrat,
one of their main strategies is scare people into giving
us more power, whether it's health care or global warming
or now this.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
That's the strategy. Never let a crisis go to waste
over and over again.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
Well, and my fear, like I said last week, is
that this becomes like masks or vaccines, an.
Speaker 5 (15:25):
Issue where one party is Four worrying about this, and
the other party acts like it's no big deal, and
that would not be a good place to end up.
Speaker 7 (15:35):
From the Wall Street Journal, at restaurants, phones are becoming
the new cigarettes.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
Oh, I hope so. That'd be awesome.
Speaker 4 (15:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
That would be awesome if you see somebody on their
phone or talking on their phone in a restaurant. It's
like they're smoking at their table. Yeah, I was all
excited about that article, but turns out they just cited
a few examples like in hipster enclaves.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
But maybe it's green shoots, as they say, the beginning
of something. I thought this one was bizarre from study finds.
Speaker 7 (16:04):
Seattle has nine times more coyotes per square mile than
Washington's wildlands.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
Wow. Where do they live? They're just roaming the streets.
There's just a bunch of pictures of coyotes roaming the streets.
Are they on drugs? A lot of the humans are.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
Probably.
Speaker 7 (16:25):
And finally, from the Babylon Bee, man paying $ 5 a
gallon for gas sure is glad that he stuck it
to Elon Musk by getting rid of his Tesla.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
Yeah, I got.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
Flipped off good and hard yesterday in my Tesla by
somebody who hates Elon. everything's got to be coded as something.
That's what I'm saying about AI. If it becomes coded,
then we're really doomed. Armstrong and Getty.
Speaker 5 (16:52):
Elon with a very short tweet over the weekend. Dario
is right about the essay that was put out from
Anthropic about the dangers of AI, and we'll talk about
that a little bit later, the developments that happened over
the last 72 hours. Man, this rant, speech, Performance by
(17:13):
Bill Maher from Friday night is getting a lot of
attention in all circles.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
Certainly a lot of positive attention.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
Among a lot of my favorite right-leaning people as he
took on the whole topic of Islamofascism and 9-11 and
the way we look at it currently versus then. Bill
Maher has been pretty consistently hardcore against any soft peddling
(17:43):
Muslim fundamentalism.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
Over the years. He did some of that on Friday night.
Let's listen to it.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
So much has changed since 9-11. For example, back then,
we were against the terrorists.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
Really, no cap.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
Now, Now, a lot of media outlets don't even want
you to say the T-word. On the 20th anniversary, four
American journalism associations put out guidance that said that terrorism
should only be used in quotes because it's emotionally and
politically loaded. We can't anymore just say out loud who
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the bad guys were that morning, those 19 hijackers.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
They shared something. Oh, let's call it a worldview.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
And it wasn't astrology. But somehow over time, we've decided
not to harp on that, the whole business about who
wanted us dead and why.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
Let's not put a name on it.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
When it comes to terrorist attacks, please, there are very
fine people on both sides.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
He goes on. Canadian state TV.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
Told its reporters, do not refer to the September 11th
attacks as terrorist attacks.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
No?
Speaker 2 (18:57):
No.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
Even though the very definition of terrorism is using violence
against civilians to pursue ideological goals, what should we call
it then?
Speaker 1 (19:06):
Unruly passenger? A wrong turn.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
Taken at the Chrysler building? Why not just say the
planes and the towers got into a fight? I mean,
after all, as the BBC advised its reporters, using the
word terrorist can be a, quote, barrier rather than an
(19:32):
aid to understanding. You know what's really a barrier to understanding?
Speaker 1 (19:37):
Lying.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
Yeah, I absolutely love that, and I love the attention
it's getting. The only thing I worry about is people
will think, well, we just have to explain to the
young people.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
That the bad guys were the terrorists.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
But what they don't understand is that the kids have
picked up, the young people have picked up an entire
worldview from their education that tells them that the U.S.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
Is bad.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Therefore, anybody who attacks the U.S. can't be all that bad,
and they probably have good reasons. They believe that about
100 different things. They believe that about Luigi Mangione and
even that poor young mom who got stabbed by a lunatic. Well,
she's part of the power establishment, so I know she's bad,
so it's good she died. I mean, man, this is
(20:25):
a tumor that is deep.
Speaker 5 (20:28):
How about the entities that make the journalism rules saying
you need to put terrorists in quote and should avoid
that word if possible because it's so loaded?
Speaker 1 (20:36):
What? Yeah, yeah. That's a very, very.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Even-handed excuse for doing what they want to do for
the reasons I've just explained.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
That is amazing. Yeah, it's a very.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
Honorable-sounding way to kind of defang what happened.
Speaker 5 (20:56):
Yeah, I read a number of pieces over the weekend,
one of them pointing out that on September 12th, the
day after, If you'd have been told there wouldn't be
another major terrorist attack in the next quarter of a century,
you wouldn't have believed it.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
I wouldn't have believed it.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
That we did a really good job of, you know,
both outside and inside the United States finding a way
to stop that. But you also wouldn't have believed, and
this would have been more shocking, that 25 years later,
people wouldn't want to call it out as fundamentalist Islam
or use the word terrorist or all kinds of stuff.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
You'd have thought, Well, that's not possible. I mean, that's crazy.
But that's what happened. Well, it's so patently obvious, right?
Speaker 2 (21:40):
And even like the re-promoting of Osama bin Laden's letter
to the American people now, it gets quoted all the time,
very small sections of it, by the woke crowd to
explain that it was just, you know, it's Zionism and
America's belligerent foreign policy. But they don't read the whole
thing in which he makes it clear that, yeah... Y'all
drink alcohol. You fornicate. Your women are uncovered. You got
(22:04):
gay people. We got to wipe you.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
Out in the name of Allah. I mean, he makes
it infinitely.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
Clear what his motivations are. Does American foreign policy make
the list?
Speaker 6 (22:14):
Well, yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
But as the primary motivator?
Speaker 7 (22:17):
No.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
The Koran is the primary motivator. His interpretation of it.
So we've got to be willing to say that out loud.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
Yeah. So we didn't talk about this on Friday, I
don't think. It has come up over the years.
Speaker 5 (22:32):
I saw more footage of people jumping to their deaths
in the last few days than I saw the previous
25 years.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
Are we.
Were we that soft? Are we that much coarser?
Speaker 5 (22:52):
I don't know what's going on there, but at the time,
there was a decision made that we shouldn't show that.
That's too much, the people jumping to their deaths who
are standing there.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
Have you ever been on one of those really, really
tall buildings.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
And looked out the window? They're standing there on the
ledge trying to decide, well, do I want to burn
to death? Or do I want to die instantly when
I hit the ground and choosing to jump out the window?
I can't imagine a worse situation than that. Anyway, we
decided at the time that that was too much. It
(23:27):
was unnecessary to show that horrible moment to illustrate the point.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
It was decided. It was too, what's the word, gratuitous.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
I think it's sick to get ratings and excitement or
oh my gods out of somebody's final moments like that.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
I know I agree at the time. I might still agree.
I'm not sure.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
So there is the idea of violence porn that some
people will click on.
Speaker 5 (23:59):
It doesn't have to have any greater significance whatsoever. Here's
somebody dying in a horrifying way and lots of people
watch it. There's also the dealing with the reality of
what those fundamentalist Islam terrorists did in attacking people who
were just at work that morning and putting them in
that position where they had to jump out the windows.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
I don't know. I don't know where I am on that.
But we clearly have changed as a.
Speaker 5 (24:22):
Society, though, because it was all over the place over
the last several days of people jumping to their deaths.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
This topic is so interesting, and you and I have
disagreed in a way about it through the years.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
There have been times.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
When I've said I forced myself to watch the video
because I want to be as outraged as I should be.
And there's the argument, well, I'm plenty outraged without watching it.
But then there's the undeniable fact that, and there are
a thousand examples of this, human beings will be like, oh, he.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
Beat his wife, huh? Well, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
They should probably investigate that or suspend them for a
game or two or whatever. And then the video comes
out and people go crazy. Oh, it's a big, strong.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Man beating a woman. Now I get it. It's just visual.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
We're visual creatures, obviously. And sometimes it takes that for
people to fully get it. So actually watching somebody make
that decision and plunge to their death I hate to
think we're so hardened we need to see that at
this point, but maybe we are.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
Of course, the youngsters, sorry, one final bitter note, the
youngsters will look at that and say, well, yeah, it's
terrible they were in that position, but that's what America
gets for being an oppressor. Well, that's if they look
at it politically at all. I was going to say
the younger crowd, because I know this with certainly my
oldest high school boy, he and his friends have seen
(25:49):
so much.
Speaker 5 (25:49):
Of this crap on the Internet. it just doesn't really
register with them. Which, I mean, desensitized to a point
that's just, there's nothing you can do about it. It's everywhere,
and you can not allow it in your house, but
the kid at school that's got the smartphone shows it
to him. Hanson and I have talked about it, because
he's got a teenager himself. It's like you, some horrifying
(26:13):
thing happens that you want to hide from your kid,
and then you talk to them when they get home
from school.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
Oh yeah, I've seen that.
Speaker 5 (26:18):
I've also seen the music remix of it, and That
is a really, really interesting topic.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
And kind of sad.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
At the same time, if they look at it politically, remember,
that's what the critical theory crowd, the woke crowd, wants.
Every single class in every single school should be taught
through the lens.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
Of critical theory, critical race theory.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
So we've got a kind of wide variety of topics
going on here.
Speaker 5 (26:48):
I was explaining DEI to my son, so... Public school
English class. And somehow they got on the topic of
juries in the Clancy trial and how unfair the justice
system has been to minorities and women over the years.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
That is DEI. That is 100% DEI. That's taking a
story that's got nothing freaking to do with English whatsoever
and jamming it into the English class.
Speaker 6 (27:16):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
Wow. I thought, how, what?
Speaker 2 (27:19):
All right.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
Imagine you're teaching molecular biology and you've got to work
that stuff in.
Speaker 5 (27:25):
I was wondering about that. How are you going to
do that with math in his school? But I'll keep
an eye on it.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
Well, that reminds me.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
At some point, I'd like to do a mini feature
ad entitled, I don't know, Woke Madness or something like that.
But it will include the wonderful Helen Pluckrose's definition of
woke and how it works. And Helen, like a lot
of our favorite commentators, has the gift of an enormous
level of knowledge about this, but the ability to distill
(27:54):
it down for halfwits and dullards like myself.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
So it's just absolutely wonderful. We'll get to that in
a little bit. Woke one was crazy. Woke one was crazy. Oh,
that's funny. Oh, AOC laughing reminds me.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
One listener excoriated me for claiming that AOC and Mamdani
greeted each other with a laugh and a smile at
the 9-11 thing while the names were being read and
said that's been... Debunked or something like that? I didn't...
I got it from a pretty good source. I did
not run into the debunking.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
Katie? It's on video. I know. Well, yeah, but these days... AI, please.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
I've seen Trump beating the Canadian Prime Minister with a
hockey stick.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
Good point. And I have reason to believe that was artificial.
And yelling at him to get up.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
Right.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
Exactly. That one was fairly crude, but... That is rough.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
Both idiotically hilarious and hilariously idiotic.
Speaker 5 (28:49):
Well, they were both wearing hockey uniforms. It just seems
so unlikely to me that that actually happened. But, you know,
until somebody can tell me that it's not true.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
Okay.
Speaker 6 (28:58):
All right.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
In case that emailer was true, I retract the allegation
and apologize for it. Zoran Mamdami is an Islamist and
would love to see the overthrow of the United States
Constitution in favor of the Koran.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
He is pretending to be a socialist. AOC's an actual socialist.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
They're working together to erode our system, whether they were
chuckling or not.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
So there you have it. Enjoy that. AOC's single now. Oh,
that's right. She's on the market. She's cute. She's a cutie. Oh, yeah, absolutely.
A little mouthy. Just saying. Again, candor. You want candor?
You come here for candor? There's a little candor.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
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Speaker 1 (30:49):
Armstrong and Getty.
Speaker 5 (30:53):
We'll talk a little bit about the developments around AI
that occurred over the weekend. If you weren't paying attention, yeah,
there was more on Saturday and Sunday. A lot of
the heavyweights weighing in.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
And just a quick note, I went to grab the
actual text of the letter from bin Laden to the U.S.
and came across what purported to be a full translation
of it.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
It was edited. It left out the stuff I was
talking about.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
It left out the stuff that addressed the sins of
the Western world and only left in the stuff that
the woke crowd.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
Would use to say it was just about America's foreign
policy and war. See, that's it. That was his only gripe.
This is what we're up against. Holy cow. There's your
freedom-loving quote of the day.
Speaker 6 (31:33):
It's actually from Krzysztof of Poland describing the long march
through the institutions, and it relates directly to what we
were talking about.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
The long march through the institutions, not the barricades. It
was the school, the university, the media, the judiciary. I'm
reminded of the woke prosecutors who declined to prosecute crimes.
The civil service, the cultural establishment, every institution through which
a civilization transmits its values to the next generation. Capture these,
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fill them with people who share the counter-hegemonic project, and
the cultural assumptions that maintain the existing order gradually dissolve.
No barricades, no visible moment of rupture, just the slow
replacement of one culture with another. Ding!
Speaker 1 (32:20):
Mailbag. Drop us a note.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
Mailbag at Armstrong and Getty. Marina from San Diego writes,
she's catching up on shows after she went to an
educational tour in Europe with her son's high school group.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
Sounds like a wonderful trip. And has been catching up,
as I said.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
Listening in the future. It is remarkable how you stay
with stories. Sometimes your thoughts change, meaning you are open-minded
as information comes in.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
Certainly try to be.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
Saying all that, I caught two phrases you said that
I would like to see on a t-shirt. One, don't
reinforce insanity. And two, there's no idea too stupid for
the Internet.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
Yeah, no kidding. Let's see.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
Jack's 9-11 screed about why are we all weepy and
sad and hanging our heads as opposed to defiant.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
Kevin, the Texas Marine, wanting to give a shout out
to Jack on his feelings. Jack's 100% correct.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
The weak sadness of the memorials is pathetic. Instead of
standing strong in recognition, I would add in, of the
incredible heroism, selflessness, patriotism, etc., most of the useless media
went weak. Joe often says we need Navy SEALs and
we need poets. I'm worried we have too many poets.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
Yeah, no kidding.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
Try to picture any of our enemies doing the whole
rolling around in their grief thing. China.
Speaker 5 (33:45):
you know, fundamentalist Islam wherever it would be, in Gaza
or Iran or wherever. It'd just be, you know, shouting
death to America and waving AK-47s.
Speaker 6 (33:57):
Right.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
To paraphrase Abraham Lincoln in one of the greatest screeds
ever written in the English language, we can't consecrate this
ground beyond what they did.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
They consecrated the ground.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
How we pay tribute to them is to win.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
Thanks, Lincoln. Moving along. Jake in Central Valley. How much
time do we have, Michael? This is really good. So
he says, I'm a total doomer now.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
And he addresses the 10% chance of humanity being wiped
out by AI. But he says, this is how he's
thinking about it, though. It's not a one-time roll of dice.
We don't pick a number one through ten. And if
it's a six, we all become slaves to our robot overlords.
But any of the nine numbers in humanity is saved,
and AI will bring us mass abundance in intelligence.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
No, it's the opposite.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
It's a 10% chance every second of every iteration of
every country's own version of AI forever.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
It will always be 10%.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
Therefore, as the speed and complexity of these systems increases
and they iterate faster and faster, it's only a matter
of time before the dice roll is not in our favor.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
Anyway, oh, and two.
Speaker 4 (35:02):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (35:06):
So the godfather of AI, as they call him, that
Hinton dude who we've played clips from many times over
the years, I saw him asked over the weekend, everybody's wondering,
in what way will AI kill people? I mean, nobody ever,
he said, there are so many examples, it's not even
worth getting into the conversation.
Speaker 1 (35:26):
I thought, holy crap.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
It's a little like asking, how could a human being
kill another human being? But let me count the ways. Final,
final note, and we don't have time for the email,
but Paolo, frequent correspondent, points out that there are risks,
serious risks, of continuing AI development unabated.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
There are also serious risks to not doing it.
Speaker 6 (35:50):
Oof.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
I'd say. Because China ain't stopping. Sorry, Dario. I miss
the 1990s. Good times. Grunge, et cetera. That's not what
I'm thinking of, but yes.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
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