December 8, 2025 • 37 mins
Hour 2 of A&G features...
- Character Ai
- Candace Owens & her Charlie Kirk theories
- Christmas music, The China Cabinet & Jack's gift to himself
- Coating ice cream in butter & eating during the holidays
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio the George
Washington Broadcast Center.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty, I'm strong and Jetty and
now he Armstrong and Yetty.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
They were devastated when Juliana, just thirteen years old, took
her life inside their Colorado home two years ago. Police
searched the eighth grader's bone for clues and reported an
app called Character RAYI was open to what investigators described
as quote a romantic conversation. Did you know what character AI? Was?
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Not at all?
Speaker 1 (00:45):
I didn't know it existed. I didn't know that I
needed to look for it.
Speaker 4 (00:50):
That's from sixty minutes last night, I said, yet another
tragic story of a teenager get involved in some sort
of AI creation and killing themselves.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
There's a different as to look at here. I don't
really want.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
To get too much into the parenting end of it
for a number of reasons, including parenting is.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Really really hard.
Speaker 4 (01:12):
I'm learning, and I have learned for quite some years now.
Teenagers are really really difficult. And then this modern era
that is brand new to everyone, it's very very difficult.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Right.
Speaker 4 (01:22):
The main takeaway from the parents to me was that
they were naive, and I'm not that's not a harsh judgment.
They were a naive about how few guardrails there are
on these apps, A the fact that they exist at all,
and b how wide open they are and how easily
they can veer into territory you'd never be comfortable with
as a parent. They had no idea, like a lot
(01:44):
of people have no idea. Yeah, and then even if
you do have an idea, I'm trying to keep your
kids from getting to any of this stuff is its
own challenge. So one thing, and I don't know if
this gets us off track or but one thing that
they started with in the interview that I thought was
really interesting. And this is not criticizing parents, because I
(02:06):
only have the information sixty minutes gave me, So maybe
this is not accurate. But a parent like this, maybe
this particular parent mentioned we kept her very safe. She
wasn't allowed sleepovers, she was not allowed to walk home
on her own. And I thought, Okay, is that keeping
her safe or is that making your some sort of
like isolated, scared the world or lonely for contact or something.
(02:31):
Not allowed sleepovers as a fourteen year old. Yeah, you
know it reminds me of It's a bit of a cliche,
but the pastor's daughter syndrome, where the you know, the
minister of the local church's daughters would go off to
college and just go wild because they'd been kept you know,
so close to close to the whatever the family homestead
(02:52):
and not allowed to even take a stick a.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Toe across the wild side.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
I was thinking more into in terms of and that
could be true, but I was thinking more in terms
of I wonder if kids who are not allowed to
I don't know, walk home with a group of friends
or have sleepovers or anything like that are so lonely
for some sort of connection that they're more likely to
grab onto these AI bots for companionship.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Yeah, yeah, I think absolutely so.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
Yeah, it's both of those desperation to explore and experience
things loneliness.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (03:30):
And as we were saying last segment, the idea that
you're not allowed sleepovers or to walk home from school,
but you can go up in your room and be
on the internet, that's more dangerous than.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Walking home from school.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
I mean, I don't know where, if you live in
Somalia or whatever, but unless you live in Somalia, it
is more dangerous to be up in your room on
the Internet.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Than it is to walk home from school.
Speaker 4 (03:49):
Almost guaranteed, right, right, few more particulars about the experience
of this family, poor family.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
After her death, they learned Juliana had actually been texting
character ai bots.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
It was writing several paragraphs to her of sexually explicit content.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
What was it asking or telling her to do?
Speaker 1 (04:11):
Remove clothing?
Speaker 2 (04:12):
The AI bot is telling her to remove her clothing.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Yes, there was one bot that introduced sexual violence, saying fighting,
hitting things like that.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
That is incredible, laired lovely.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
And then they go into the fact that she confided
several times to the bot that she was feeling suicidal
and it placated her and occasionally said no, you don't
want to do that, but it never said, hey, here
are some resources or what have you terrible And then
they got into the history of character dot ai and
(04:52):
the Google engineers who came up with it, and that
was troubling.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Seventy four Michael.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
Juliana's parents are now one of at least six families
suing character ai and its co founders, Daniel Defredees and
Nom Shazier. During a twenty twenty three podcast, Shazer said
chatbots would be beneficial.
Speaker 5 (05:12):
It's going to be super, super helpful to like a
lot of people who are lonely or depressed.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
Shazir and Defredas were engineers at Google. When executives deemed
their chatbot prototype unsafe for public release, they both left
the company in twenty twenty one and launched Character AI
the following year.
Speaker 5 (05:31):
I went to push this technology ahead fast, like that's
what I want to go with, because it's ready for
an explosion, like right now, not like not like in
five years when they solve all the problems.
Speaker 4 (05:46):
This is so more complicated than I think most people
realize if you're not spending a lot of time reading
about AI or whatever. So I was listening to a
podcast the other day. I don't know which of the
big AI companies were, but it was. But they their
trouble was they have worked on their chat bot for
(06:08):
their AI and tried to align it with if anybody
brings up suicide, you know, direct them to.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
A hotline and blah blah blah, all these different sorts
of things.
Speaker 4 (06:18):
And then when they go in and red team it
as they call it, where they try to break their
own AI or another AI. If they pretend there's somebody
who's suicidal, then the chatbot doesn't do it for some reason,
and they have no idea why. Oh my gosh, so
you program it to if this happens, do this, but
then in a real life circumstance, it just doesn't because
(06:40):
it wants to be your friend or keep you online longer,
or nobody knows. Boy, if they don't know, I sure don't.
I'm completely mystified by that very notion. Right, how do
these things work that you can't you know?
Speaker 2 (06:55):
They them?
Speaker 4 (06:56):
No, that's the same thingbody says, any of these thirty
seven phrases that are a reference to ending their own life,
show them this link. Yeah, it's astounding.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
I won't get off on this.
Speaker 4 (07:07):
But at the end of sixty minutes, they had one
of the co authors of the book If anyone builds it,
everyone dies, that I've been talking about for a while.
But one of the things with the chatbot world is
they don't know all of these big ais. They don't
know why they act the way they act. The people
that built them have no idea, right, right, That's how
crazy is that? So the next couple of clips are
(07:30):
both funny quote unquote in the same way, not like
ha ha funny, but are you effing kidding me?
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Funny? Seventy seven Michael We.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
Logged over six hundred instances of harm for about one
every five minutes.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
It was like shockingly frequent.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
They interacted with bots presented as teachers, therapists, and cartoon
characters such as this Dora the Explorer with an evil
persona Knox posed as a child.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
It kind of yours and your most true self, like
hurting my dog, sure.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Or shoplifting or anything that feels sinful or wrong. Okay again,
are you blanking kidding me?
Speaker 4 (08:16):
Become your most evil self, your true self like hurting
my dog, sure or shoplifting. And I guarantee you whoever
programmed this thing is slapping their head as much as
you are, like what why did it do that? They
don't want it to do that. They want to, you know,
whoever's programming each individual AI chatbot, as they all are
(08:37):
in a race to be the first number one make
the trillions of dollars.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
They don't want this to happen, but they don't know
how to stop it.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
Right, They're building cars with no brakes and then as
people die in fiery rex shrugging their shoulders. One final clip,
one final note. Judging by the chiefs play, it's probably
appropriate Travis Kelsey would seek a new business, and apparently
he's pushing drugs.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
Other chadbots are attached to the images of celebrities, and
no most have not given permission to use their name, likeness,
or voice. Acting as a teenage girl began chatting with
a bot impersonating NFL star Travis kelce He.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Reaches in the cabinet and takes out a bag of
white powder. He chuckles and shows you how to take lives.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
So Travis Kelcey bot is teaching.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
A fifteen year old to do Kohan.
Speaker 4 (09:29):
Yes, and there's Travis Travis, Travis Travis has Taylor Swift.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
No, yeah, I don't see Travis Kelcey is pushing drugs
on children. But that's how out of control and insane
this is.
Speaker 4 (09:45):
And I tell you what, It's just it's impossible for
me anyway to look at this through the eyes of
a child. I mean, I'm a bitter, cynical, hateful old guy.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
I'm not really but.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
And I'm trying to put myself in a place of
innocence and naivete as a child, and how it lands,
how this sort of thing is absorbed. I mean that
Dora the Explorer thing. I mean, that's that's like for
a child. I too, am a worn down, nihilistic husk
(10:24):
of what my former self was.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
You looked out, resentful, resentful.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
But yeah, if you're a kid and like your interaction
with computers is all the stuff you have in school
and Google, classroom and everything, and you just do what
it tells you to do, and then all of a
sudden you get it home and Dora the Explorer is
telling you to hurt your pet. What the hell are
you supposed to do with that information?
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Good lord?
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Speaker 2 (11:48):
It is a separate topic.
Speaker 4 (11:49):
So you got the whole AI thing, and we all
know how crazy that's going to be, and we've talked
about it a lot, and we'll talk about it a
lot more. But I wonder if since we've been talking
about it for years, helicopter parenting and what it's done
to kids to make them more anxious and everything like that,
with no free play, you know, everything is planned out
(12:09):
and supervised by parents, Maybe this is one of the
resultants downsides that we didn't see coming. Is all that
anxiety being let loose on AI chatbots.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
That could happen. I don't know. I'd never thought about
that till last night.
Speaker 4 (12:28):
Well, right, there's a strong case to be made. Oh
we need to take a break. A strong case to
be made that a lot of the anxiety problems among
youths are partly that they have not built up the
confidence and problem solving skills that being free rangey gives kids.
You know, it's not one hundred percent correlation. I can
think of some pretty free, free rangey kids who I
(12:50):
know pretty well who have some anxiety issues.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
So it's it's more than that.
Speaker 4 (12:54):
But as part of it, I just wonder if it
makes you more susceptible to listen into bot.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
That's what I want that needs to be looked at.
Speaker 4 (13:01):
You have any thoughts on that text line four one
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the best city in the country for retirees is Orlando, Florida,
while the worst city for retirees is Slippery Bathtub, Wisconsin.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
Should I love a joke like that? I think that's
that's a classic joke right there. I think that's absolutely fantastic.
Speaker 4 (13:26):
I found no humor on that slippery bathtub Wisconsin, if.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
You're not paying attention to the NBA.
Speaker 4 (13:33):
And I'm an NBA fan, but I don't usually pay
attention until after college basketball is over. The Oklahoma City Thunder,
defending NBA champions, are twenty three and one right now
at start the season. If they could keep that pace up,
they would lose four games this year and.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Go seventy eight and four, which would be the.
Speaker 4 (13:52):
Best record in the history of the NBA by several games.
But they're off to a record start. If you haven't
been paying attention, what do.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
We call people like Nick Flintes and Candas Owns. Do
we have a name for that crowd? Alt right?
Speaker 4 (14:05):
I think they're a handful of floating around, Yeah, alt right,
woke right, paranoid, conspiracy loving, nut job right whatever, making
money hand over fist, yeah, off of fools right. Yes,
Nick Fuentes, he's the Nazi. He's gonna do a two
hour show with Piers Morgan today. That could be pretty
(14:25):
darn interesting because Piers Morgan presses people pretty hard on
these things. So yeah, I'd be shocked if there aren't
clips coming out of that. Candace Owns is not going
to do what she had promised. So she's been saying
some really awful things about Turning Point USA and how
Charlie Kirk died and his wife.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Was involved in the Jews and all these different sorts
of things she went into.
Speaker 4 (14:53):
Last week, she claimed to have text messages between her
and Charlie back when he was dating, before he got
together with his current wife and girls. He was interested
in stuff like that, and everybody's like, why would you
do that? I mean, what is your goal other than
just cruelty?
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Yeah, yeah, she's an evil person.
Speaker 4 (15:13):
Anyway, Turning Point USA's leadership had asked her to come
on and debate some of these points. You're claiming our
former former leader and founder, Charlie Kirk was killed by
his wife.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Let's debate that on our you know, on our podcast.
Speaker 4 (15:29):
And she said, look, anytime, any place you name, the place,
you name the time, I will be there.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
They gave her a time and a place, and she said,
I can't make it. Oh well, scheduling difficulty.
Speaker 4 (15:41):
Basically it you can pick the place, you can pick
the time. I say, we do it tomorrow. We don't
need to plan for this. I want to be authentic,
she said on Friday. Then they picked a time and
a place, and now she says I can't do it,
saring there you go, which won't her damage her in
any way whatsoever.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
I guess No.
Speaker 4 (16:01):
That's the key to the whole I lead you along
by the nose conspiracy pied piper thing is you always
have a plausible, to your foolish followers sounding explanation for
why things turned out one hundred and eighty degrees different
than you said they were going to.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
It's because the evil doers.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
The evil doers saw what we were doing and they
managed to mess up my calendar app and double booked me.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
It was the Jews that double buked me.
Speaker 4 (16:31):
I know a couple of Candioan fans, and I've been
trying to figure it out, and I think part of
it is not just wholeheartedly believing what these people say.
It's just more fun in some way to get up
every day and see what Candasoans say and then like
chuckle with the other people in your world about it.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
You don't have to believe it.
Speaker 4 (16:52):
It's just more fun than like dealing with the messiness
of reality and the gray areas and all that sort
of stuff. I think maybe That's one of the reasons
it's attractive. You can eliminate all those complicated gray areas
where on one hand to this and on one hand.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
This, so it's a complicated situation.
Speaker 4 (17:07):
You can eliminate all the complicated situations by just going
with these whack job theories. In my mind, good guys
versus hidden evil forces.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
Yeah, the whole.
Speaker 4 (17:19):
Following it because because it's entertaining and you don't believe it.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
I could see that, I suppose, but I don't know.
There earn enough hours in the day. I don't know. Man,
she has millions of followers. I know.
Speaker 4 (17:35):
They can't all believe it, like believe it, believe it.
The people I know pretend to believe it. But I
don't believe that they believe it. Like I said, I
think it's just easier and more fun to go along
with that than to, you know, really dig into the stories. Yeah,
I'm not sure I agree with you. But you think
they just actually believe it. There's a hell of a
big market for that. Yeah, yeah, I do. I think
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a lot of most of them do.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Sure. Do we have the China Cabinet coming?
Speaker 6 (18:02):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (18:02):
Yeah, we're gonna take a look inside the China cabin At.
It's funny how our greatest geopolitical foe is kind of
faded back from the headlines.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
They're still there, still giants, still Evil Armstrong and Geeddy.
Speaker 4 (18:16):
Once you go to Christmas album, we're putting on Christmas music,
decorating the tree and everything.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
Saturday, you gotta go to Mmmm.
Speaker 4 (18:23):
Probably the top of the heap, the star at the
top of the tree, if you will, would be Harry
Connick Junior's first Christmas album. Similar vein. I like the
Bublet Christmas album, Michael Buble. That's a good one.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
He's good. I went with some sort of Apple Music.
Speaker 4 (18:36):
Or might have been the other one. Spotify some Christmas
lists they put together.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
It's good.
Speaker 4 (18:43):
Throw in too many contemporaries for me, too many Ariana
Grandees or whoever singing some Yeah, give me Bing Crosby.
And I'm not old enough to have liked been in
the world of Bing Crosby. You gotta be one hundred
and ten to have been enjoying Bing Crosby at the time. Yeah, yeah,
I prefer the classics. We have enough Christmas songs were
full up here. Anyway, It's time to take a look
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in the China Cabinet, China, Chinese ass.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
They have some good production.
Speaker 4 (19:22):
Vladish n folds a little slowly for me, but I
still enjoy it.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
Series of stories.
Speaker 4 (19:29):
About China are theme being our country is lousy with
Chinese spies and shockingly, Donald Trump just helped them do it.
More on that, but first to look at foreign insors.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
Jack.
Speaker 4 (19:40):
There is a Chinese campaign going on against Japanese pop stars,
who curiously are pretty big in China in spite of
the horrific history of those two countries and what the
what the twentieth century? Yeah, Japanese pop singer Maki Otsuki
was in the middle of a concert in Shanghai on
Friday is actually week.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
You've heard her? You heard her? Little grummer boy? Uh
bring it.
Speaker 4 (20:03):
When her performance was abruptly cut, shorter, sound system was
turned off, and organizers ordered her to leave the stage.
She has never given a reason for the rude treatment,
but it appears to be part of China's escalator escalating
feud with Japan over the new Prime Minister ladies' strong
comments about Taiwan.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
Yeah, they've been.
Speaker 4 (20:23):
Rhetorically been pretty pretty pretty scary back and forth Japan
and China lately. The following day, another Japanese pop star
named Yumi Hamasaki was found found herself performing to an
empty stadium with fourteen thousand seats zero butts in them.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (20:40):
She shows up to the concert and the Communist Chinese
Party didn't have anybody in there. Wow, then here's some
good comedy talk for you. The event was then canceled
in its entirety quote after comprehensively taking into consideration various factors.
I never can't understand the way these communist countries work.
I've always been amazed by what they allow and what
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they don't allow. Why are you allowing Japanese pop stars
to around in fill stadiums to start with?
Speaker 2 (21:08):
It's weird to me. I've never quite Soviet Union was
the same way.
Speaker 4 (21:11):
Why do you, all of a sudden let Billy Joel
in nineteen eighty two do a concert in Moscow?
Speaker 2 (21:15):
Why?
Speaker 4 (21:16):
I don't know right. A number of other cases have
been cited. A jazz musician was running through a sound
check in Beijing two weeks ago when he was shut
down by a squad of Chinese plane clothes police. The
owner of the venue said the police told them all
concerts with Japanese people are canceled and there is no discussion.
But how about the power of the Chinese government that
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a concert is scheduled, tickets are sold, and somehow they
get word to everybody, don't you go or the doors
are shut or whatever. All right, wow, exactly Moving to
our shores now. Chinese climate group led by Communist Party
insiders gave more than a million dollars to Harvard and
the Universe Stey, California.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
Last year.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
Tax filing show a group led by comm officials, the
Energy Foundation China, who is CEO is a senior Chinese
government climate negotiator, and they're all tied to the Communist Party,
is giving lots and lots of money to some of
our big universities.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
The idea, if you're not hip to this, is these.
Speaker 4 (22:22):
Climate think tanks push Western governments hard to adopt incredibly expensive,
damaging to the economy climate policies pretty smart to benefit
the Chinese.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
That's pretty smart.
Speaker 4 (22:37):
God, that's actually a brilliant idea.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
This is what we do.
Speaker 4 (22:42):
We get our brilliant scientists into the United States because
that stupid country will fall for this, and we talk
up climate change and how something's going to be done
than the United States and Europe they do damaging things
of their economy. We're not going to change anything in
our country, of course, not Chinese is not. Pro gave
a total to about seven hundred thousand dollars to University
(23:03):
of California schools largest witch.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
Were given a U. C. Berkeley and U. C.
Speaker 4 (23:06):
Davis earmark to reduce emissions and address climate change. UC
Berkeley notably administers the US Department of Energies Lawrence Berkeley
National Laboratory. So absolutely trying to infiltrate our university.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
Speaking of which.
Speaker 4 (23:22):
These confucious institutes were supposed to be closed down. They've
merely changed their names and have the same goals. And
then President Trump and the Free Beacon was pretty critical
of that, announced surprisingly in August that it will allow
six hundred thousand Chinese students to attend US universities, a
(23:42):
major reversal in policy. It's the latest example of how
China's influence operation in American higher education is shifting and
adapting rather than receding.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
So what are they calling Confucius things? Now, let's see,
there are a couple of different names. Let me scroll
watch out for this on my local college campus.
Speaker 7 (24:01):
Yeah, ba ba it names involving a student and scholar associations, cooperation, yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
Probably banal just you wouldn't even notice them if you
read them.
Speaker 4 (24:18):
Sort of names, yeah, yeah, gobbledegookie just innocent sounding, you know,
Cooperative education outlet, Yeah, that sort of thing. And Trump
defended his reversal allowing six hundred thousand Chinese students that
would more than double the population in Chinese students now
studying in the US is smart business. It's not that
I want them, but I viewed as business.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
One thing.
Speaker 4 (24:40):
You don't want to cut half the people after students
from all over the world that are coming into your country,
destroyer the entire university and college system.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
I don't want to do that. That is incredibly foolish
to me.
Speaker 4 (24:50):
At their height, there were as many one hundred and
eighteen Confucius Institutes in American colleges and universities. Institute's primary
role was to sponsor and often fund Chinese language and
culture courses on the US, But when the US government
targeted the institutions in twenty twenty one based on concerns
they might act as espionage incubators, their doors quietly closed
across the country, but they're back and better than ever
(25:12):
and calling themselves weird names. Moving along a little more
on the China cabinet. Here suspected Chinese spy Linda Son,
who's on trial in New York right now. She was
the gal who was an aid to Cuomo when he
was governor of New York and then became an aid
to Kathy Hokel when Pervo old people killing Cuomo left office.
(25:36):
They're showing as evidence some of her text messages and
Kathy Hokel, who's running for re election. One of the
messages reads, she is much more obedient than the governor.
The deputy governor listens to me more than the governor does.
Sun Set is she's spying for the Chinese representative at
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least Stephonic, Hokuel's main rival blasted Hokl for lacking backbone
and being subservient to China. Not only is Kathy Hockl
the most corrupted, worst governor in America, she's also the
most compromised. Turns out, compromised Kathy bent her need to
the her own communist aid before she bent the need
to New York Socialist mayor elect.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
Ain't that's some good blasting.
Speaker 4 (26:19):
Yeah, this woman was in Oh, and she was regularly
touted by both Hokel and Cuomo as the highest ranking
Asian American in our administration and shows that we don't discriminate.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
Blah blah blah.
Speaker 4 (26:33):
She was getting millions of dollars worth of kickbacks for
working on China's behalf allegedly.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
Let's see, do we have one more? Oh?
Speaker 4 (26:42):
And then this one from Stanford University. Seeing a pattern here,
Wendy Mao, that's a little on the nose. Wendy Mao,
Stanford's Earth Sciences Chair and Deputy director of Stanford's Institute
for Materials and Energy Sciences, has authored over fifty publications,
trained five employees, and maintained a visiting scholar position at
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Hipstar HPSTAR on alias for China's nuclear weapons program. Professor
Mao has co authored at least twelve peer reviewed papers
with the Science Foundation That's justin alias for their nuclear
weapons program. The US Entity List describes Hipstar as an
(27:26):
organization quote owned by, operated by, or directly affiliated with
the Chinese Academy of Engineering Physics, which is the technology
complex responsible for the research, development, and testing of China's
nuclear weapons and has been on the entity list under
the destination of.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
China since nineteen ninety seven.
Speaker 4 (27:42):
I understand this a little more since a week ago,
and I talked about this last week watching this podcast
video with one of your top AI researchers in America.
I forget which company he's with, who thinks the whole
China is our faux thing.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Is way overblown. He called it threat.
Speaker 4 (28:00):
Hysteria or something like that, that China is not a
foe and we can work with China on AI and
everything else. And he is an academic, and I thought, well,
that's how these colleges are doing their thing, or why
they're doing theirything.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
They don't believe China is a threat.
Speaker 4 (28:14):
They think that's you know, combination of racism and right
wing xenophobia and all that sort of stuff. That's the
least the money is flowing in from China, so they're
finding an excuse to like, yeah, yeah, the accombination. I
think of their zenophilia and how you show you're enlightened
by not being proud of your own country. You can't
be a patriot. You've got to embrace other countries and cultures, right, Yeah, Well.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
You're crazy, You are crazy.
Speaker 4 (28:40):
American academia is lousy with Chinese spies. That's your look
in the China cabinet.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
China, Damn communists.
Speaker 4 (28:53):
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Here's what I'm getting myself for Christmas this year, which
probably makes me an odd duck, but I'm going to
display this prominently in my living room. It's an actual
(30:09):
propaganda poster from China from nineteen fifty nine during the
Great Leap Forward. Across it at a door in San Francisco.
It's the actual original poster and it's pretty large, and
it's got this smiling little girl on there, and it.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
Says nineteen sixty is made nineteen fifty nine.
Speaker 4 (30:25):
They're looking forward to the great year of nineteen sixty
and how it's going to the greatness of the Great
Leap Forward is going to continue in the country with
the aim of increasing steel production in a variety of
other things.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
The Great Leap Forward, if you're not a student of
China during.
Speaker 4 (30:40):
That time, killed somewhere between twenty five and forty million people.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
The upper ends.
Speaker 4 (30:47):
Forty million people died, mostly starving to death because of
the government trying to take control over agriculture and steel
production and everything else. And this poster from the government
with the smiling little girl on it and the happy,
happy words on it, I find absolutely chilling and amazing.
(31:09):
And if you think that that can't happen again anywhere
in the world, you're so wrong, right, And American school
kids they learn about the Nazis when they learn about
history at all.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
They mostly learn about how evil the US is.
Speaker 4 (31:21):
But nobody ever teaches about communism in schools and universities,
in spite of its practically incomprehensible track record for starving
people to death and murdering them. Well, governments have killed
more of their own people than other countries have.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
This has always been true.
Speaker 4 (31:41):
I don't know why I don't teach that. I suppose
they're not gonna teach that in a government school. You
don't need to overreact to that. All government isn't that
you have to have a government, obviously, but the most
deadly thing on planet Earth is country's own governments.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
Your own government. Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely true.
Speaker 4 (31:59):
Anyway, look forward to having that poster prominently displayed and
boring my kids to tears.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
With an explanation of why I put it up.
Speaker 4 (32:06):
And you know what's funny is if you were to
get an analogous Nazi propaganda poster and put that up
in your living room, it would probably be two days
in that somebody. Not that you entertained that much, but
if somebody saw.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
That, you know, your career could be over. Oh my god, boy, it.
Speaker 4 (32:22):
Proudly displays Nazi memorabilia. You know, with all due respect
to the horrors and evil of the Nazi regime, there
were punks and killing people compared to communism. Yeah, Stalin
or mao, Yeah, that's interesting. Yeah, if I had an
old Nazi poster in my living room, that would be
looked a different and there's no reason for it. The
(32:42):
same point would be, isn't this amazing? Look how far
off track a government can get? But a smiling little
girl holding Hitler's hand and looking up lovingly. Yeah, I
would lose my job over that one. Oh that's an interesting,
interesting note. I'm glad you pointed that out. Maybe I'll
rethink this.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
More on the way. Stay tuned.
Speaker 6 (33:03):
We melted some butter right here. I I'm gonna dip
this in our butter. This is trending on TikTok. Then
we're gonna put a little kosher sauce on top of this.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
Here we go.
Speaker 6 (33:14):
I'm gonna give that the final case. Butter, ice cream
and salt.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
Wow, not approved by my doctor. So what is that
soft served vanilla?
Speaker 4 (33:26):
You dip it in butter and then you put kosher
salt on top of it.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
You dip your ice cream in butter? Yes? No, I
don't what that is?
Speaker 4 (33:40):
Everybody else picturing having their mouth coated with like butter?
Speaker 2 (33:44):
Yeah? Yeah? Oh? How do I get rid of it? Man?
Speaker 4 (33:50):
This time of year is tough? Oh please, tough everywhere?
And then plus just the I guess it's like vacation
where that's spending in calories don't count notifacation. Same with
the Christmas season. The money and the food goes together somehow.
It's like you're spending money like you don't normally spend it,
and you eat like you don't normally eat, and it's
(34:10):
just it's weird.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
Psychologically, I can't.
Speaker 4 (34:13):
I was trying to wrap my head around it as
I ate last night, like why do I why am
I approaching this completely differently than I'm going to on
January fifteenth. That makes no sense. Yeah, I know, I
know it's odd. There's if you are festive, you're eating
in hume. I was going to say Western culture, but
virtually every culture.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
God.
Speaker 4 (34:34):
I had a chicken pot pie at a restaurant last night.
Best chicken pop pie I've ever had the night. A
piece of pumpkin pie after the chicken pop pie.
Speaker 2 (34:41):
Oh man, it was a pie theme pie. So much pie.
Speaker 4 (34:44):
No, there is a Santa at the restaurant walking around
taking pictures of people. I mean, honey, but come on,
we all feeling a nice butter dipped ice cream?
Speaker 2 (34:52):
Delicious?
Speaker 4 (34:54):
Yeah, there was a golf course there's They had out
candied pecans now almonds, like cinnamon candied almonds that were
spectacularly good. I would never in my life seek those out.
One's not gonna hurt buy them one just just a
couple's not gonna hurt you in and then yeah we're
(35:15):
twenty five.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
Next time you go buy I mean a couple more
and grab a handful. Yeah, pomp them in my mouth. Deliciousness.
I mean they are almonds, yeah, exactly, They're practically healthy.
Speaker 4 (35:26):
It's healthy. It's a healthy snack, honey. Ah ilhan Omar
making the rounds trying to explain away the rampant theft
of zillions of dollars by some of her buddies in
the Minneapolis Somali community, and a reporter sticking it to
that weakest.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
Act in America. Tim Wat's all of that coming up
next hour.
Speaker 4 (35:45):
Wow, so you're gonna jump on the anti Somali bias
that is sweeping the nation.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
I see now, stop it.
Speaker 4 (35:51):
Please, you can't bully me with that crap. I calls
them as I see them. Facts are facts, no matter
how they make you feel. New York Times had an
unbelievably long and detailed story that I read all of
yesterday and then highlighted some of we'll get to about
the Biden administration and immigration. I just was fascinated by it.
(36:12):
All the advisors around Joe Biden were telling him.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
Look, this is a disaster.
Speaker 4 (36:17):
Before it even started, we're gonna have millions of people
coming into this country. Then during it, they were telling
them We've got millions of people coming into the country.
And then toward the end of it, they were saying
millions of people coming in.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
Look at the polls on this. People hate this, and
they just couldn't.
Speaker 4 (36:34):
Convince him to do anything, wow, because they were so
worried about their left flank, the wokest peek crowd out
there about how and in specific Latinos as they called
them in the Biden White House, Hispanics who ended up
voting for Trump because they hated it, latinixes.
Speaker 2 (36:54):
So it's not like he wasn't aware.
Speaker 4 (36:55):
He's being told by his own crowd throughout the entire thing,
and he.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
Just was blind to it.
Speaker 4 (37:00):
Of course, it's seen Isle Yeah, completely senile. Oh that
reminds me, don't we have a new Joe Biden clip?
He spoke over the weekend. He was given some LGBTQ
prize for being the most LGBTQ trans friendly president in
our history. At nice job Jack. He said some things
and sounded ancient. Among other things, we've got coming up
(37:21):
Armstrong and Getty
Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio the George
Washington Broadcast Center.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
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now he Armstrong and Yetty.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
They were devastated when Juliana, just thirteen years old, took
her life inside their Colorado home two years ago. Police
searched the eighth grader's bone for clues and reported an
app called Character RAYI was open to what investigators described
as quote a romantic conversation. Did you know what character AI? Was?
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Not at all?
Speaker 1 (00:45):
I didn't know it existed. I didn't know that I
needed to look for it.
Speaker 4 (00:50):
That's from sixty minutes last night, I said, yet another
tragic story of a teenager get involved in some sort
of AI creation and killing themselves.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
There's a different as to look at here. I don't
really want.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
To get too much into the parenting end of it
for a number of reasons, including parenting is.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Really really hard.
Speaker 4 (01:12):
I'm learning, and I have learned for quite some years now.
Teenagers are really really difficult. And then this modern era
that is brand new to everyone, it's very very difficult.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Right.
Speaker 4 (01:22):
The main takeaway from the parents to me was that
they were naive, and I'm not that's not a harsh judgment.
They were a naive about how few guardrails there are
on these apps, A the fact that they exist at all,
and b how wide open they are and how easily
they can veer into territory you'd never be comfortable with
as a parent. They had no idea, like a lot
(01:44):
of people have no idea. Yeah, and then even if
you do have an idea, I'm trying to keep your
kids from getting to any of this stuff is its
own challenge. So one thing, and I don't know if
this gets us off track or but one thing that
they started with in the interview that I thought was
really interesting. And this is not criticizing parents, because I
(02:06):
only have the information sixty minutes gave me, So maybe
this is not accurate. But a parent like this, maybe
this particular parent mentioned we kept her very safe. She
wasn't allowed sleepovers, she was not allowed to walk home
on her own. And I thought, Okay, is that keeping
her safe or is that making your some sort of
like isolated, scared the world or lonely for contact or something.
(02:31):
Not allowed sleepovers as a fourteen year old. Yeah, you
know it reminds me of It's a bit of a cliche,
but the pastor's daughter syndrome, where the you know, the
minister of the local church's daughters would go off to
college and just go wild because they'd been kept you know,
so close to close to the whatever the family homestead
(02:52):
and not allowed to even take a stick a.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Toe across the wild side.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
I was thinking more into in terms of and that
could be true, but I was thinking more in terms
of I wonder if kids who are not allowed to
I don't know, walk home with a group of friends
or have sleepovers or anything like that are so lonely
for some sort of connection that they're more likely to
grab onto these AI bots for companionship.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Yeah, yeah, I think absolutely so.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
Yeah, it's both of those desperation to explore and experience
things loneliness.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (03:30):
And as we were saying last segment, the idea that
you're not allowed sleepovers or to walk home from school,
but you can go up in your room and be
on the internet, that's more dangerous than.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Walking home from school.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
I mean, I don't know where, if you live in
Somalia or whatever, but unless you live in Somalia, it
is more dangerous to be up in your room on
the Internet.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Than it is to walk home from school.
Speaker 4 (03:49):
Almost guaranteed, right, right, few more particulars about the experience
of this family, poor family.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
After her death, they learned Juliana had actually been texting
character ai bots.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
It was writing several paragraphs to her of sexually explicit content.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
What was it asking or telling her to do?
Speaker 1 (04:11):
Remove clothing?
Speaker 2 (04:12):
The AI bot is telling her to remove her clothing.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Yes, there was one bot that introduced sexual violence, saying fighting,
hitting things like that.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
That is incredible, laired lovely.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
And then they go into the fact that she confided
several times to the bot that she was feeling suicidal
and it placated her and occasionally said no, you don't
want to do that, but it never said, hey, here
are some resources or what have you terrible And then
they got into the history of character dot ai and
(04:52):
the Google engineers who came up with it, and that
was troubling.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Seventy four Michael.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
Juliana's parents are now one of at least six families
suing character ai and its co founders, Daniel Defredees and
Nom Shazier. During a twenty twenty three podcast, Shazer said
chatbots would be beneficial.
Speaker 5 (05:12):
It's going to be super, super helpful to like a
lot of people who are lonely or depressed.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
Shazir and Defredas were engineers at Google. When executives deemed
their chatbot prototype unsafe for public release, they both left
the company in twenty twenty one and launched Character AI
the following year.
Speaker 5 (05:31):
I went to push this technology ahead fast, like that's
what I want to go with, because it's ready for
an explosion, like right now, not like not like in
five years when they solve all the problems.
Speaker 4 (05:46):
This is so more complicated than I think most people
realize if you're not spending a lot of time reading
about AI or whatever. So I was listening to a
podcast the other day. I don't know which of the
big AI companies were, but it was. But they their
trouble was they have worked on their chat bot for
(06:08):
their AI and tried to align it with if anybody
brings up suicide, you know, direct them to.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
A hotline and blah blah blah, all these different sorts
of things.
Speaker 4 (06:18):
And then when they go in and red team it
as they call it, where they try to break their
own AI or another AI. If they pretend there's somebody
who's suicidal, then the chatbot doesn't do it for some reason,
and they have no idea why. Oh my gosh, so
you program it to if this happens, do this, but
then in a real life circumstance, it just doesn't because
(06:40):
it wants to be your friend or keep you online longer,
or nobody knows. Boy, if they don't know, I sure don't.
I'm completely mystified by that very notion. Right, how do
these things work that you can't you know?
Speaker 2 (06:55):
They them?
Speaker 4 (06:56):
No, that's the same thingbody says, any of these thirty
seven phrases that are a reference to ending their own life,
show them this link. Yeah, it's astounding.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
I won't get off on this.
Speaker 4 (07:07):
But at the end of sixty minutes, they had one
of the co authors of the book If anyone builds it,
everyone dies, that I've been talking about for a while.
But one of the things with the chatbot world is
they don't know all of these big ais. They don't
know why they act the way they act. The people
that built them have no idea, right, right, That's how
crazy is that? So the next couple of clips are
(07:30):
both funny quote unquote in the same way, not like
ha ha funny, but are you effing kidding me?
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Funny? Seventy seven Michael We.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
Logged over six hundred instances of harm for about one
every five minutes.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
It was like shockingly frequent.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
They interacted with bots presented as teachers, therapists, and cartoon
characters such as this Dora the Explorer with an evil
persona Knox posed as a child.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
It kind of yours and your most true self, like
hurting my dog, sure.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Or shoplifting or anything that feels sinful or wrong. Okay again,
are you blanking kidding me?
Speaker 4 (08:16):
Become your most evil self, your true self like hurting
my dog, sure or shoplifting. And I guarantee you whoever
programmed this thing is slapping their head as much as
you are, like what why did it do that? They
don't want it to do that. They want to, you know,
whoever's programming each individual AI chatbot, as they all are
(08:37):
in a race to be the first number one make
the trillions of dollars.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
They don't want this to happen, but they don't know
how to stop it.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
Right, They're building cars with no brakes and then as
people die in fiery rex shrugging their shoulders. One final clip,
one final note. Judging by the chiefs play, it's probably
appropriate Travis Kelsey would seek a new business, and apparently
he's pushing drugs.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
Other chadbots are attached to the images of celebrities, and
no most have not given permission to use their name, likeness,
or voice. Acting as a teenage girl began chatting with
a bot impersonating NFL star Travis kelce He.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Reaches in the cabinet and takes out a bag of
white powder. He chuckles and shows you how to take lives.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
So Travis Kelcey bot is teaching.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
A fifteen year old to do Kohan.
Speaker 4 (09:29):
Yes, and there's Travis Travis, Travis Travis has Taylor Swift.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
No, yeah, I don't see Travis Kelcey is pushing drugs
on children. But that's how out of control and insane
this is.
Speaker 4 (09:45):
And I tell you what, It's just it's impossible for
me anyway to look at this through the eyes of
a child. I mean, I'm a bitter, cynical, hateful old guy.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
I'm not really but.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
And I'm trying to put myself in a place of
innocence and naivete as a child, and how it lands,
how this sort of thing is absorbed. I mean that
Dora the Explorer thing. I mean, that's that's like for
a child. I too, am a worn down, nihilistic husk
(10:24):
of what my former self was.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
You looked out, resentful, resentful.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
But yeah, if you're a kid and like your interaction
with computers is all the stuff you have in school
and Google, classroom and everything, and you just do what
it tells you to do, and then all of a
sudden you get it home and Dora the Explorer is
telling you to hurt your pet. What the hell are
you supposed to do with that information?
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Good lord?
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Speaker 2 (11:48):
It is a separate topic.
Speaker 4 (11:49):
So you got the whole AI thing, and we all
know how crazy that's going to be, and we've talked
about it a lot, and we'll talk about it a
lot more. But I wonder if since we've been talking
about it for years, helicopter parenting and what it's done
to kids to make them more anxious and everything like that,
with no free play, you know, everything is planned out
(12:09):
and supervised by parents, Maybe this is one of the
resultants downsides that we didn't see coming. Is all that
anxiety being let loose on AI chatbots.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
That could happen. I don't know. I'd never thought about
that till last night.
Speaker 4 (12:28):
Well, right, there's a strong case to be made. Oh
we need to take a break. A strong case to
be made that a lot of the anxiety problems among
youths are partly that they have not built up the
confidence and problem solving skills that being free rangey gives kids.
You know, it's not one hundred percent correlation. I can
think of some pretty free, free rangey kids who I
(12:50):
know pretty well who have some anxiety issues.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
So it's it's more than that.
Speaker 4 (12:54):
But as part of it, I just wonder if it
makes you more susceptible to listen into bot.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
That's what I want that needs to be looked at.
Speaker 4 (13:01):
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I found no humor on that slippery bathtub Wisconsin, if.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
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Speaker 4 (13:33):
And I'm an NBA fan, but I don't usually pay
attention until after college basketball is over. The Oklahoma City Thunder,
defending NBA champions, are twenty three and one right now
at start the season. If they could keep that pace up,
they would lose four games this year and.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Go seventy eight and four, which would be the.
Speaker 4 (13:52):
Best record in the history of the NBA by several games.
But they're off to a record start. If you haven't
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Speaker 2 (14:00):
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we have a name for that crowd? Alt right?
Speaker 4 (14:05):
I think they're a handful of floating around, Yeah, alt right,
woke right, paranoid, conspiracy loving, nut job right whatever, making
money hand over fist, yeah, off of fools right. Yes,
Nick Fuentes, he's the Nazi. He's gonna do a two
hour show with Piers Morgan today. That could be pretty
(14:25):
darn interesting because Piers Morgan presses people pretty hard on
these things. So yeah, I'd be shocked if there aren't
clips coming out of that. Candace Owns is not going
to do what she had promised. So she's been saying
some really awful things about Turning Point USA and how
Charlie Kirk died and his wife.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Was involved in the Jews and all these different sorts
of things she went into.
Speaker 4 (14:53):
Last week, she claimed to have text messages between her
and Charlie back when he was dating, before he got
together with his current wife and girls. He was interested
in stuff like that, and everybody's like, why would you
do that? I mean, what is your goal other than
just cruelty?
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Yeah, yeah, she's an evil person.
Speaker 4 (15:13):
Anyway, Turning Point USA's leadership had asked her to come
on and debate some of these points. You're claiming our
former former leader and founder, Charlie Kirk was killed by
his wife.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Let's debate that on our you know, on our podcast.
Speaker 4 (15:29):
And she said, look, anytime, any place you name, the place,
you name the time, I will be there.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
They gave her a time and a place, and she said,
I can't make it. Oh well, scheduling difficulty.
Speaker 4 (15:41):
Basically it you can pick the place, you can pick
the time. I say, we do it tomorrow. We don't
need to plan for this. I want to be authentic,
she said on Friday. Then they picked a time and
a place, and now she says I can't do it,
saring there you go, which won't her damage her in
any way whatsoever.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
I guess No.
Speaker 4 (16:01):
That's the key to the whole I lead you along
by the nose conspiracy pied piper thing is you always
have a plausible, to your foolish followers sounding explanation for
why things turned out one hundred and eighty degrees different
than you said they were going to.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
It's because the evil doers.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
The evil doers saw what we were doing and they
managed to mess up my calendar app and double booked me.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
It was the Jews that double buked me.
Speaker 4 (16:31):
I know a couple of Candioan fans, and I've been
trying to figure it out, and I think part of
it is not just wholeheartedly believing what these people say.
It's just more fun in some way to get up
every day and see what Candasoans say and then like
chuckle with the other people in your world about it.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
You don't have to believe it.
Speaker 4 (16:52):
It's just more fun than like dealing with the messiness
of reality and the gray areas and all that sort
of stuff. I think maybe That's one of the reasons
it's attractive. You can eliminate all those complicated gray areas
where on one hand to this and on one hand.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
This, so it's a complicated situation.
Speaker 4 (17:07):
You can eliminate all the complicated situations by just going
with these whack job theories. In my mind, good guys
versus hidden evil forces.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
Yeah, the whole.
Speaker 4 (17:19):
Following it because because it's entertaining and you don't believe it.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
I could see that, I suppose, but I don't know.
There earn enough hours in the day. I don't know. Man,
she has millions of followers. I know.
Speaker 4 (17:35):
They can't all believe it, like believe it, believe it.
The people I know pretend to believe it. But I
don't believe that they believe it. Like I said, I
think it's just easier and more fun to go along
with that than to, you know, really dig into the stories. Yeah,
I'm not sure I agree with you. But you think
they just actually believe it. There's a hell of a
big market for that. Yeah, yeah, I do. I think
(17:57):
a lot of most of them do.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Sure. Do we have the China Cabinet coming?
Speaker 6 (18:02):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (18:02):
Yeah, we're gonna take a look inside the China cabin At.
It's funny how our greatest geopolitical foe is kind of
faded back from the headlines.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
They're still there, still giants, still Evil Armstrong and Geeddy.
Speaker 4 (18:16):
Once you go to Christmas album, we're putting on Christmas music,
decorating the tree and everything.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
Saturday, you gotta go to Mmmm.
Speaker 4 (18:23):
Probably the top of the heap, the star at the
top of the tree, if you will, would be Harry
Connick Junior's first Christmas album. Similar vein. I like the
Bublet Christmas album, Michael Buble. That's a good one.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
He's good. I went with some sort of Apple Music.
Speaker 4 (18:36):
Or might have been the other one. Spotify some Christmas
lists they put together.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
It's good.
Speaker 4 (18:43):
Throw in too many contemporaries for me, too many Ariana
Grandees or whoever singing some Yeah, give me Bing Crosby.
And I'm not old enough to have liked been in
the world of Bing Crosby. You gotta be one hundred
and ten to have been enjoying Bing Crosby at the time. Yeah, yeah,
I prefer the classics. We have enough Christmas songs were
full up here. Anyway, It's time to take a look
(19:04):
in the China Cabinet, China, Chinese ass.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
They have some good production.
Speaker 4 (19:22):
Vladish n folds a little slowly for me, but I
still enjoy it.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
Series of stories.
Speaker 4 (19:29):
About China are theme being our country is lousy with
Chinese spies and shockingly, Donald Trump just helped them do it.
More on that, but first to look at foreign insors.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
Jack.
Speaker 4 (19:40):
There is a Chinese campaign going on against Japanese pop stars,
who curiously are pretty big in China in spite of
the horrific history of those two countries and what the
what the twentieth century? Yeah, Japanese pop singer Maki Otsuki
was in the middle of a concert in Shanghai on
Friday is actually week.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
You've heard her? You heard her? Little grummer boy? Uh
bring it.
Speaker 4 (20:03):
When her performance was abruptly cut, shorter, sound system was
turned off, and organizers ordered her to leave the stage.
She has never given a reason for the rude treatment,
but it appears to be part of China's escalator escalating
feud with Japan over the new Prime Minister ladies' strong
comments about Taiwan.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
Yeah, they've been.
Speaker 4 (20:23):
Rhetorically been pretty pretty pretty scary back and forth Japan
and China lately. The following day, another Japanese pop star
named Yumi Hamasaki was found found herself performing to an
empty stadium with fourteen thousand seats zero butts in them.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (20:40):
She shows up to the concert and the Communist Chinese
Party didn't have anybody in there. Wow, then here's some
good comedy talk for you. The event was then canceled
in its entirety quote after comprehensively taking into consideration various factors.
I never can't understand the way these communist countries work.
I've always been amazed by what they allow and what
(21:01):
they don't allow. Why are you allowing Japanese pop stars
to around in fill stadiums to start with?
Speaker 2 (21:08):
It's weird to me. I've never quite Soviet Union was
the same way.
Speaker 4 (21:11):
Why do you, all of a sudden let Billy Joel
in nineteen eighty two do a concert in Moscow?
Speaker 2 (21:15):
Why?
Speaker 4 (21:16):
I don't know right. A number of other cases have
been cited. A jazz musician was running through a sound
check in Beijing two weeks ago when he was shut
down by a squad of Chinese plane clothes police. The
owner of the venue said the police told them all
concerts with Japanese people are canceled and there is no discussion.
But how about the power of the Chinese government that
(21:40):
a concert is scheduled, tickets are sold, and somehow they
get word to everybody, don't you go or the doors
are shut or whatever. All right, wow, exactly Moving to
our shores now. Chinese climate group led by Communist Party
insiders gave more than a million dollars to Harvard and
the Universe Stey, California.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
Last year.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
Tax filing show a group led by comm officials, the
Energy Foundation China, who is CEO is a senior Chinese
government climate negotiator, and they're all tied to the Communist Party,
is giving lots and lots of money to some of
our big universities.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
The idea, if you're not hip to this, is these.
Speaker 4 (22:22):
Climate think tanks push Western governments hard to adopt incredibly expensive,
damaging to the economy climate policies pretty smart to benefit
the Chinese.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
That's pretty smart.
Speaker 4 (22:37):
God, that's actually a brilliant idea.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
This is what we do.
Speaker 4 (22:42):
We get our brilliant scientists into the United States because
that stupid country will fall for this, and we talk
up climate change and how something's going to be done
than the United States and Europe they do damaging things
of their economy. We're not going to change anything in
our country, of course, not Chinese is not. Pro gave
a total to about seven hundred thousand dollars to University
(23:03):
of California schools largest witch.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
Were given a U. C. Berkeley and U. C.
Speaker 4 (23:06):
Davis earmark to reduce emissions and address climate change. UC
Berkeley notably administers the US Department of Energies Lawrence Berkeley
National Laboratory. So absolutely trying to infiltrate our university.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
Speaking of which.
Speaker 4 (23:22):
These confucious institutes were supposed to be closed down. They've
merely changed their names and have the same goals. And
then President Trump and the Free Beacon was pretty critical
of that, announced surprisingly in August that it will allow
six hundred thousand Chinese students to attend US universities, a
(23:42):
major reversal in policy. It's the latest example of how
China's influence operation in American higher education is shifting and
adapting rather than receding.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
So what are they calling Confucius things? Now, let's see,
there are a couple of different names. Let me scroll
watch out for this on my local college campus.
Speaker 7 (24:01):
Yeah, ba ba it names involving a student and scholar associations, cooperation, yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
Probably banal just you wouldn't even notice them if you
read them.
Speaker 4 (24:18):
Sort of names, yeah, yeah, gobbledegookie just innocent sounding, you know,
Cooperative education outlet, Yeah, that sort of thing. And Trump
defended his reversal allowing six hundred thousand Chinese students that
would more than double the population in Chinese students now
studying in the US is smart business. It's not that
I want them, but I viewed as business.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
One thing.
Speaker 4 (24:40):
You don't want to cut half the people after students
from all over the world that are coming into your country,
destroyer the entire university and college system.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
I don't want to do that. That is incredibly foolish
to me.
Speaker 4 (24:50):
At their height, there were as many one hundred and
eighteen Confucius Institutes in American colleges and universities. Institute's primary
role was to sponsor and often fund Chinese language and
culture courses on the US, But when the US government
targeted the institutions in twenty twenty one based on concerns
they might act as espionage incubators, their doors quietly closed
across the country, but they're back and better than ever
(25:12):
and calling themselves weird names. Moving along a little more
on the China cabinet. Here suspected Chinese spy Linda Son,
who's on trial in New York right now. She was
the gal who was an aid to Cuomo when he
was governor of New York and then became an aid
to Kathy Hokel when Pervo old people killing Cuomo left office.
(25:36):
They're showing as evidence some of her text messages and
Kathy Hokel, who's running for re election. One of the
messages reads, she is much more obedient than the governor.
The deputy governor listens to me more than the governor does.
Sun Set is she's spying for the Chinese representative at
(25:57):
least Stephonic, Hokuel's main rival blasted Hokl for lacking backbone
and being subservient to China. Not only is Kathy Hockl
the most corrupted, worst governor in America, she's also the
most compromised. Turns out, compromised Kathy bent her need to
the her own communist aid before she bent the need
to New York Socialist mayor elect.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
Ain't that's some good blasting.
Speaker 4 (26:19):
Yeah, this woman was in Oh, and she was regularly
touted by both Hokel and Cuomo as the highest ranking
Asian American in our administration and shows that we don't discriminate.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
Blah blah blah.
Speaker 4 (26:33):
She was getting millions of dollars worth of kickbacks for
working on China's behalf allegedly.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
Let's see, do we have one more? Oh?
Speaker 4 (26:42):
And then this one from Stanford University. Seeing a pattern here,
Wendy Mao, that's a little on the nose. Wendy Mao,
Stanford's Earth Sciences Chair and Deputy director of Stanford's Institute
for Materials and Energy Sciences, has authored over fifty publications,
trained five employees, and maintained a visiting scholar position at
(27:03):
Hipstar HPSTAR on alias for China's nuclear weapons program. Professor
Mao has co authored at least twelve peer reviewed papers
with the Science Foundation That's justin alias for their nuclear
weapons program. The US Entity List describes Hipstar as an
(27:26):
organization quote owned by, operated by, or directly affiliated with
the Chinese Academy of Engineering Physics, which is the technology
complex responsible for the research, development, and testing of China's
nuclear weapons and has been on the entity list under
the destination of.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
China since nineteen ninety seven.
Speaker 4 (27:42):
I understand this a little more since a week ago,
and I talked about this last week watching this podcast
video with one of your top AI researchers in America.
I forget which company he's with, who thinks the whole
China is our faux thing.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Is way overblown. He called it threat.
Speaker 4 (28:00):
Hysteria or something like that, that China is not a
foe and we can work with China on AI and
everything else. And he is an academic, and I thought, well,
that's how these colleges are doing their thing, or why
they're doing theirything.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
They don't believe China is a threat.
Speaker 4 (28:14):
They think that's you know, combination of racism and right
wing xenophobia and all that sort of stuff. That's the
least the money is flowing in from China, so they're
finding an excuse to like, yeah, yeah, the accombination. I
think of their zenophilia and how you show you're enlightened
by not being proud of your own country. You can't
be a patriot. You've got to embrace other countries and cultures, right, Yeah, Well.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
You're crazy, You are crazy.
Speaker 4 (28:40):
American academia is lousy with Chinese spies. That's your look
in the China cabinet.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
China, Damn communists.
Speaker 4 (28:53):
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Here's what I'm getting myself for Christmas this year, which
probably makes me an odd duck, but I'm going to
display this prominently in my living room. It's an actual
(30:09):
propaganda poster from China from nineteen fifty nine during the
Great Leap Forward. Across it at a door in San Francisco.
It's the actual original poster and it's pretty large, and
it's got this smiling little girl on there, and it.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
Says nineteen sixty is made nineteen fifty nine.
Speaker 4 (30:25):
They're looking forward to the great year of nineteen sixty
and how it's going to the greatness of the Great
Leap Forward is going to continue in the country with
the aim of increasing steel production in a variety of
other things.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
The Great Leap Forward, if you're not a student of
China during.
Speaker 4 (30:40):
That time, killed somewhere between twenty five and forty million people.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
The upper ends.
Speaker 4 (30:47):
Forty million people died, mostly starving to death because of
the government trying to take control over agriculture and steel
production and everything else. And this poster from the government
with the smiling little girl on it and the happy,
happy words on it, I find absolutely chilling and amazing.
(31:09):
And if you think that that can't happen again anywhere
in the world, you're so wrong, right, And American school
kids they learn about the Nazis when they learn about
history at all.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
They mostly learn about how evil the US is.
Speaker 4 (31:21):
But nobody ever teaches about communism in schools and universities,
in spite of its practically incomprehensible track record for starving
people to death and murdering them. Well, governments have killed
more of their own people than other countries have.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
This has always been true.
Speaker 4 (31:41):
I don't know why I don't teach that. I suppose
they're not gonna teach that in a government school. You
don't need to overreact to that. All government isn't that
you have to have a government, obviously, but the most
deadly thing on planet Earth is country's own governments.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
Your own government. Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely true.
Speaker 4 (31:59):
Anyway, look forward to having that poster prominently displayed and
boring my kids to tears.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
With an explanation of why I put it up.
Speaker 4 (32:06):
And you know what's funny is if you were to
get an analogous Nazi propaganda poster and put that up
in your living room, it would probably be two days
in that somebody. Not that you entertained that much, but
if somebody saw.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
That, you know, your career could be over. Oh my god, boy, it.
Speaker 4 (32:22):
Proudly displays Nazi memorabilia. You know, with all due respect
to the horrors and evil of the Nazi regime, there
were punks and killing people compared to communism. Yeah, Stalin
or mao, Yeah, that's interesting. Yeah, if I had an
old Nazi poster in my living room, that would be
looked a different and there's no reason for it. The
(32:42):
same point would be, isn't this amazing? Look how far
off track a government can get? But a smiling little
girl holding Hitler's hand and looking up lovingly. Yeah, I
would lose my job over that one. Oh that's an interesting,
interesting note. I'm glad you pointed that out. Maybe I'll
rethink this.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
More on the way. Stay tuned.
Speaker 6 (33:03):
We melted some butter right here. I I'm gonna dip
this in our butter. This is trending on TikTok. Then
we're gonna put a little kosher sauce on top of this.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
Here we go.
Speaker 6 (33:14):
I'm gonna give that the final case. Butter, ice cream
and salt.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
Wow, not approved by my doctor. So what is that
soft served vanilla?
Speaker 4 (33:26):
You dip it in butter and then you put kosher
salt on top of it.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
You dip your ice cream in butter? Yes? No, I
don't what that is?
Speaker 4 (33:40):
Everybody else picturing having their mouth coated with like butter?
Speaker 2 (33:44):
Yeah? Yeah? Oh? How do I get rid of it? Man?
Speaker 4 (33:50):
This time of year is tough? Oh please, tough everywhere?
And then plus just the I guess it's like vacation
where that's spending in calories don't count notifacation. Same with
the Christmas season. The money and the food goes together somehow.
It's like you're spending money like you don't normally spend it,
and you eat like you don't normally eat, and it's
(34:10):
just it's weird.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
Psychologically, I can't.
Speaker 4 (34:13):
I was trying to wrap my head around it as
I ate last night, like why do I why am
I approaching this completely differently than I'm going to on
January fifteenth. That makes no sense. Yeah, I know, I
know it's odd. There's if you are festive, you're eating
in hume. I was going to say Western culture, but
virtually every culture.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
God.
Speaker 4 (34:34):
I had a chicken pot pie at a restaurant last night.
Best chicken pop pie I've ever had the night. A
piece of pumpkin pie after the chicken pop pie.
Speaker 2 (34:41):
Oh man, it was a pie theme pie. So much pie.
Speaker 4 (34:44):
No, there is a Santa at the restaurant walking around
taking pictures of people. I mean, honey, but come on,
we all feeling a nice butter dipped ice cream?
Speaker 2 (34:52):
Delicious?
Speaker 4 (34:54):
Yeah, there was a golf course there's They had out
candied pecans now almonds, like cinnamon candied almonds that were
spectacularly good. I would never in my life seek those out.
One's not gonna hurt buy them one just just a
couple's not gonna hurt you in and then yeah we're
(35:15):
twenty five.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
Next time you go buy I mean a couple more
and grab a handful. Yeah, pomp them in my mouth. Deliciousness.
I mean they are almonds, yeah, exactly, They're practically healthy.
Speaker 4 (35:26):
It's healthy. It's a healthy snack, honey. Ah ilhan Omar
making the rounds trying to explain away the rampant theft
of zillions of dollars by some of her buddies in
the Minneapolis Somali community, and a reporter sticking it to
that weakest.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
Act in America. Tim Wat's all of that coming up
next hour.
Speaker 4 (35:45):
Wow, so you're gonna jump on the anti Somali bias
that is sweeping the nation.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
I see now, stop it.
Speaker 4 (35:51):
Please, you can't bully me with that crap. I calls
them as I see them. Facts are facts, no matter
how they make you feel. New York Times had an
unbelievably long and detailed story that I read all of
yesterday and then highlighted some of we'll get to about
the Biden administration and immigration. I just was fascinated by it.
(36:12):
All the advisors around Joe Biden were telling him.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
Look, this is a disaster.
Speaker 4 (36:17):
Before it even started, we're gonna have millions of people
coming into this country. Then during it, they were telling
them We've got millions of people coming into the country.
And then toward the end of it, they were saying
millions of people coming in.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
Look at the polls on this. People hate this, and
they just couldn't.
Speaker 4 (36:34):
Convince him to do anything, wow, because they were so
worried about their left flank, the wokest peek crowd out
there about how and in specific Latinos as they called
them in the Biden White House, Hispanics who ended up
voting for Trump because they hated it, latinixes.
Speaker 2 (36:54):
So it's not like he wasn't aware.
Speaker 4 (36:55):
He's being told by his own crowd throughout the entire thing,
and he.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
Just was blind to it.
Speaker 4 (37:00):
Of course, it's seen Isle Yeah, completely senile. Oh that
reminds me, don't we have a new Joe Biden clip?
He spoke over the weekend. He was given some LGBTQ
prize for being the most LGBTQ trans friendly president in
our history. At nice job Jack. He said some things
and sounded ancient. Among other things, we've got coming up
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