March 12, 2025 • 12 mins
On the Wednesday March 12, 2025 edition of The Armstrong & Getty One More Thing Podcast...
- More details on the completely wack-a-doo academic paper, "Queer Canine Becomings: Lesbian feminist cyborg politics and interspecies intimacies in ecologies of love and violence." Yeah!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Lesbian robot Dogs of the World Unite. It's one more thing.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Thing, lesbian robot dogs.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
That's that's the short version. During the show, we talked
about this paper, this academic paper that just came out
that has caught people's attention, and folks sent us a
link to just the beginning of it, which is the abstract.
I guess it describes what the paper is. But to
actually get access to it either had to pay a
fee or have a sign on, and one of our
(00:32):
beloved listeners is accessed it and got us the whole thing.
Here's the title of this Some bitch Queer Canine Becomings
Lesbian Feminist cyborg Politics and Interspecies Intimacies in Ecologies of
Love and Violence.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Oh, they have to be trolling that I know.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
It's by Chloe Diamond Lenau, who is an actual professor
at Eastern at the American University, which is in New
York or somewhere.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
That sounds as one hundred percent as crazy as those
fake papers that James Lindsay and his friends put out, yes,
which which makes his point that things are so off
the rails that you can't tell the difference between something
that's real and what's not.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Yeah, exaggeration is completely impossible. God you can do is
what they did, and that's like equal the insanity, except
yours is completely fake. But nobody can tell which makes
the point. But you know, I feel like I ought
to read the abstract, but it's so long. I'll hit
you with it because Jack said, I, you know, it'd
(01:35):
be interesting to get that whole paper and see how
much sense it made on any level. And you're right.
But so here's the abstract. This article offers a queer
lesbian feminist analysis attuned to lesbian, queer trans canine relationalities.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
And that really sounds like chicks having sex with dogs?
Is it not beastiality?
Speaker 1 (01:56):
I just I can't believe they're expecting me to plo
through another queer lesbian feminist analysis to into lesbian queer
trans canine relation analities.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
I just want to let you know this chick's pronouns
are she. They.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
I like that.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
I like your your activist pieces of crazy ass Marxist garbage.
Who who throw you the curveball of she? And you're
thinking her? But no, no, I use she and they.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
If you call me her, I will be insulted.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
I'm looking at her Facebook, her profile picture is a
purple fist with a banner that says, professor of lesbian
dance theory.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
I don't mind watching lesbian's dance. That's my only theory.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
And somebody who makes a living doing that, yes, gets
paid dance theory.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Yeah, to indoctrinate children into this incoherent gobbledegook of theory. Okay,
So I just that was like that was first sentence. Specifically,
the article places queer and lesbian ecofeminism in conversation with
Donna Harroway's work on the Cyborgan companion species to theorize
the interconnected queer becomings of people, nature, animals, and machines
(03:14):
amidst ecologies of love and violence in the twenty twenties.
It takes two key case studies as the focus for analysis. First,
the state instrumentalization of dogs and robot dogs for racialized
and imperial violence. Oh, you got a little race in
there too. I didn't see that coming. I mean, you
got lesbian robot dogs. You wouldn't think there's time to
work race in But that's where you'd be wrong. Let's see.
(03:37):
In the second I'm sorry. In the first article, did
I say that already? The article traces how dogs are
weabonized as tools of state violence and proposes a queer
lesbian feminist critique of white supremacy and militarization that can
also extend to a critique of the violence committed through
and toward the dogs. In the second whoop, the article
analyzes how within lesbian, non binary and trans dog intimacies
(04:00):
got to stop there, don't we again?
Speaker 2 (04:02):
They're having sights with dogs? Get to the fun part.
Really just started discussing that.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
Transdog intimacies does Does that mean like transgender dogs? That's
like a former boy dog who's now an alleged bitch.
I prefer to use the technical term.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
I was taking it as the interactions between trans people
and dogs.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
See I was with Joe. I sounded like a trans
dog to me.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
In the second the article analyzes how within lesbian, non
berry binary and transdog intimacies, dogs help articulate I think
you're right, Jay, queer gender sexuality and kinship formations and
as such, queer worlds for gender sexual and kin becomings.
Entanglements of violence and love in these queer dog relationalities
provide insights into the complexities of queer and lesbian feminists,
(04:51):
feminist world building, and finally, lesbian and queer feminist cyborg
politics can help theorize the potentials and challenges of these interspecies.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
And so I'm going to take at least a shot
at what I think this is.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
I appreciate the cyborgs in the end because it was.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
Wondering where the hell where did they come from?
Speaker 1 (05:10):
I would be back you remember that that was great.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
I think they believe that that because of our systemic
racism and culture, dogs are raised in such a way
to not be friendly to the trans lesbian community, and
they have some concern that the robot dogs that are
coming our way are going to be the same. And
(05:35):
then when you end up with robot people like cyborgs,
now you're going to have the robot dogs who are
home transphobic, poorly treating the robot humans.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
What.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
That's my guess that what this paper is about. The hell.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
I think you may number one. I am impressed.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
Yeah, I mean, I admire you even being able to
some analyze that.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
I think you may be one notch off. And I'll
repeat the lessons lesbian in queer feminist cyborg politics can
help theorize the potentials and challenges of these interspecies entanglements. Well, no,
I think yeah, so so the relationship of a trans
person with a dog, robot or otherwise can.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Dogs are being raised to be transach and they're concerned
that when we have robot dogs and robot people it
will continue. Then we'll have transphobic robot dogs. How are
you trans if you're a robot though a person? What
difference does it make once you're a robot?
Speaker 3 (06:40):
What are we talking about?
Speaker 1 (06:42):
Yeah, you know what I'm with, Kenny. I'm reminded of
you know, you get somebody who's like a complete psychopath
and does all these weird things, and people say, what
were they thinking? No, no, you can't come up with
a rational explanation for the irrational. You're wasting your time.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
You gotta pick out Michael.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
No, I was just thinking, this is why I took
aerobics in college. Yeah, bowling, all right, I'm just going
to pick a sentence or two at random. At the
same time, it offers a model for a postgender world
that can be ironically blasphemous and subverts its origins in
the appropriation of women's bodies in a masculinist orgy of war,
(07:23):
and other oppressive traditions, including the tradition of racist, male
dominated capitalism, the tradition of progress, the tradition of the
appropriation of nature is a resource for the production of culture,
the tradition of reproduction of the self from the reflections
of the other. One thing they sought to spend more
time studying is grammar like throwing a period now and again, right,
(07:45):
so I can break it down by phrase, masculinist orgy
of war.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
That's a good band.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
Yeah, I saw them at the Warfield San Francisco.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
Yeah, yeah, wow.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
I she wrote this out and then threw it into
chat GPT and just said, make this as wordy and
confusing as humanly possible.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
I would love to take a class with one of
these people.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
Love it.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
God, I gotta see if I can take a class, like,
I'm sure my universe sty has this sort of stuff
in the town I live in, UC Davis. Take one
of these classes and ask sincere sounding questions like just
fully indulge their bullshit. Oh my god, you've really hit
something here with me. The masculine orgy of war or
(08:34):
whatever that phrase was expound on that for me with you.
Just let them go on with their right.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
What's revealing about this and so interesting and odd is
that this is again, I just picked another sentence at random.
In doing so, the article develops a queer and lesbian
feminist approach to living in coalition with the more than
human with attention to what Stevens and Sprinkle name in
this journal issue is cosensing an ethical embodied motive relating
to the earth. It's the tune of the sensorial and
(09:01):
activated through the erotic playfulness and joy. Every single sentence
is so I mean, just stuffed full of jargon. Yeah,
it can mean whatever they say it means, or mean
nothing at all.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
I'm so happy to have become tutored by James Lindsay
and his books and his tweets about how this is
on purpose to make you feel dumb, because I no
longer feel dumb when I hear this stuff. I realize
you're trying to You're trying to, you know, pull the
wool over my eyes by using a bunch of phrases
and words that don't mean anything or only mean something
(09:37):
to you and make me feel dumb. So I'll sit
here and listen to this crap, right, and I don't
feel that way anymore, which is good.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Yeah, it almost becomes a riddle. All right, what are
they talking about? I'm reminded, you know, we got we
did not get enough mileage out of the cliff that
came out. Might have been during the crazy Columbia demonstrations
like last winter, in which one of the leaders of
the up with terrorism, which is actually just down with
(10:06):
Western civilization. All of this boils down to tearing down
Western civilization. And this gal, because of course it's an
angry woman, was saying, you've learned your colonialist theory and
your gender theory, and your queer theory and your Marxist
theory or whatever. It's time to take all of your
(10:27):
theories and put them into action. And that was a
really good kind of summary what all of this is,
All of those wackadoodal theories that fall under critical theory
are all just different ways to attack Western civilization and
bring it to its knees so you can infiltrate it
and usher in your Marxist utopia. And all of this
(10:51):
stuff is what that looks like inside the sausage factory.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
Shuh, I tell you this. I ain't gonna pay for
my kid to sit in one of those classrooms and
learn that crap. It ain't gonna happen. If they somehow
decide they really want that, they'll have to take out
a loan or figure it out on their own.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
One more, Just one more, can I please? Lesbian feminism
integrated with queer ecofeminism, animal studies and critical posthumanisms provide
tools to rethink non heteropatriarchal relations across more than human realms.
Queer ecofeminism involves liberating the erotic alongside nature queers and women,
(11:35):
challenging the hierarchical dualisms that link mind, body, reason, emotion, man, woman,
you can't bipoc human, animal, nature, culture and heterosexual queer.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
It's almost impossible to believe it's real. It's almost impossible
to believe it's real.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
I'm convinced for being trolled.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
By this she they I can believe that somewhere in
a marria there's a crazy old man tunelessly playing the
saw you ever seen anybody playing? I can believe that
and accept it. The idea that someone's paying them to
(12:13):
do that and they have tenure. That's where it gets
crazy to me. And that's what this stuff is.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
The most important thing we learned from today's podcast that
the purple fist represents what Katie.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
Oh sand circulat.
Speaker 4 (12:30):
Break Yeah, professor of lesbian dance theory. Yes, the purple
fist is lesbian dance theory. Or as Joey said, your
Scornchy's too tight around your wrist, you mind.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
Crutchy's too tight.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
Bad mittens another easy three units instead of this crap.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Well, I guess that's it.
Lesbian robot Dogs of the World Unite. It's one more thing.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Thing, lesbian robot dogs.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
That's that's the short version. During the show, we talked
about this paper, this academic paper that just came out
that has caught people's attention, and folks sent us a
link to just the beginning of it, which is the abstract.
I guess it describes what the paper is. But to
actually get access to it either had to pay a
fee or have a sign on, and one of our
(00:32):
beloved listeners is accessed it and got us the whole thing.
Here's the title of this Some bitch Queer Canine Becomings
Lesbian Feminist cyborg Politics and Interspecies Intimacies in Ecologies of
Love and Violence.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Oh, they have to be trolling that I know.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
It's by Chloe Diamond Lenau, who is an actual professor
at Eastern at the American University, which is in New
York or somewhere.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
That sounds as one hundred percent as crazy as those
fake papers that James Lindsay and his friends put out, yes,
which which makes his point that things are so off
the rails that you can't tell the difference between something
that's real and what's not.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Yeah, exaggeration is completely impossible. God you can do is
what they did, and that's like equal the insanity, except
yours is completely fake. But nobody can tell which makes
the point. But you know, I feel like I ought
to read the abstract, but it's so long. I'll hit
you with it because Jack said, I, you know, it'd
(01:35):
be interesting to get that whole paper and see how
much sense it made on any level. And you're right.
But so here's the abstract. This article offers a queer
lesbian feminist analysis attuned to lesbian, queer trans canine relationalities.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
And that really sounds like chicks having sex with dogs?
Is it not beastiality?
Speaker 1 (01:56):
I just I can't believe they're expecting me to plo
through another queer lesbian feminist analysis to into lesbian queer
trans canine relation analities.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
I just want to let you know this chick's pronouns
are she. They.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
I like that.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
I like your your activist pieces of crazy ass Marxist garbage.
Who who throw you the curveball of she? And you're
thinking her? But no, no, I use she and they.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
If you call me her, I will be insulted.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
I'm looking at her Facebook, her profile picture is a
purple fist with a banner that says, professor of lesbian
dance theory.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
I don't mind watching lesbian's dance. That's my only theory.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
And somebody who makes a living doing that, yes, gets
paid dance theory.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Yeah, to indoctrinate children into this incoherent gobbledegook of theory. Okay,
So I just that was like that was first sentence. Specifically,
the article places queer and lesbian ecofeminism in conversation with
Donna Harroway's work on the Cyborgan companion species to theorize
the interconnected queer becomings of people, nature, animals, and machines
(03:14):
amidst ecologies of love and violence in the twenty twenties.
It takes two key case studies as the focus for analysis. First,
the state instrumentalization of dogs and robot dogs for racialized
and imperial violence. Oh, you got a little race in
there too. I didn't see that coming. I mean, you
got lesbian robot dogs. You wouldn't think there's time to
work race in But that's where you'd be wrong. Let's see.
(03:37):
In the second I'm sorry. In the first article, did
I say that already? The article traces how dogs are
weabonized as tools of state violence and proposes a queer
lesbian feminist critique of white supremacy and militarization that can
also extend to a critique of the violence committed through
and toward the dogs. In the second whoop, the article
analyzes how within lesbian, non binary and trans dog intimacies
(04:00):
got to stop there, don't we again?
Speaker 2 (04:02):
They're having sights with dogs? Get to the fun part.
Really just started discussing that.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
Transdog intimacies does Does that mean like transgender dogs? That's
like a former boy dog who's now an alleged bitch.
I prefer to use the technical term.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
I was taking it as the interactions between trans people
and dogs.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
See I was with Joe. I sounded like a trans
dog to me.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
In the second the article analyzes how within lesbian, non
berry binary and transdog intimacies, dogs help articulate I think
you're right, Jay, queer gender sexuality and kinship formations and
as such, queer worlds for gender sexual and kin becomings.
Entanglements of violence and love in these queer dog relationalities
provide insights into the complexities of queer and lesbian feminists,
(04:51):
feminist world building, and finally, lesbian and queer feminist cyborg
politics can help theorize the potentials and challenges of these interspecies.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
And so I'm going to take at least a shot
at what I think this is.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
I appreciate the cyborgs in the end because it was.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
Wondering where the hell where did they come from?
Speaker 1 (05:10):
I would be back you remember that that was great.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
I think they believe that that because of our systemic
racism and culture, dogs are raised in such a way
to not be friendly to the trans lesbian community, and
they have some concern that the robot dogs that are
coming our way are going to be the same. And
(05:35):
then when you end up with robot people like cyborgs,
now you're going to have the robot dogs who are
home transphobic, poorly treating the robot humans.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
What.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
That's my guess that what this paper is about. The hell.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
I think you may number one. I am impressed.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
Yeah, I mean, I admire you even being able to
some analyze that.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
I think you may be one notch off. And I'll
repeat the lessons lesbian in queer feminist cyborg politics can
help theorize the potentials and challenges of these interspecies entanglements. Well, no,
I think yeah, so so the relationship of a trans
person with a dog, robot or otherwise can.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Dogs are being raised to be transach and they're concerned
that when we have robot dogs and robot people it
will continue. Then we'll have transphobic robot dogs. How are
you trans if you're a robot though a person? What
difference does it make once you're a robot?
Speaker 3 (06:40):
What are we talking about?
Speaker 1 (06:42):
Yeah, you know what I'm with, Kenny. I'm reminded of
you know, you get somebody who's like a complete psychopath
and does all these weird things, and people say, what
were they thinking? No, no, you can't come up with
a rational explanation for the irrational. You're wasting your time.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
You gotta pick out Michael.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
No, I was just thinking, this is why I took
aerobics in college. Yeah, bowling, all right, I'm just going
to pick a sentence or two at random. At the
same time, it offers a model for a postgender world
that can be ironically blasphemous and subverts its origins in
the appropriation of women's bodies in a masculinist orgy of war,
(07:23):
and other oppressive traditions, including the tradition of racist, male
dominated capitalism, the tradition of progress, the tradition of the
appropriation of nature is a resource for the production of culture,
the tradition of reproduction of the self from the reflections
of the other. One thing they sought to spend more
time studying is grammar like throwing a period now and again, right,
(07:45):
so I can break it down by phrase, masculinist orgy
of war.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
That's a good band.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
Yeah, I saw them at the Warfield San Francisco.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
Yeah, yeah, wow.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
I she wrote this out and then threw it into
chat GPT and just said, make this as wordy and
confusing as humanly possible.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
I would love to take a class with one of
these people.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
Love it.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
God, I gotta see if I can take a class, like,
I'm sure my universe sty has this sort of stuff
in the town I live in, UC Davis. Take one
of these classes and ask sincere sounding questions like just
fully indulge their bullshit. Oh my god, you've really hit
something here with me. The masculine orgy of war or
(08:34):
whatever that phrase was expound on that for me with you.
Just let them go on with their right.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
What's revealing about this and so interesting and odd is
that this is again, I just picked another sentence at random.
In doing so, the article develops a queer and lesbian
feminist approach to living in coalition with the more than
human with attention to what Stevens and Sprinkle name in
this journal issue is cosensing an ethical embodied motive relating
to the earth. It's the tune of the sensorial and
(09:01):
activated through the erotic playfulness and joy. Every single sentence
is so I mean, just stuffed full of jargon. Yeah,
it can mean whatever they say it means, or mean
nothing at all.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
I'm so happy to have become tutored by James Lindsay
and his books and his tweets about how this is
on purpose to make you feel dumb, because I no
longer feel dumb when I hear this stuff. I realize
you're trying to You're trying to, you know, pull the
wool over my eyes by using a bunch of phrases
and words that don't mean anything or only mean something
(09:37):
to you and make me feel dumb. So I'll sit
here and listen to this crap, right, and I don't
feel that way anymore, which is good.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Yeah, it almost becomes a riddle. All right, what are
they talking about? I'm reminded, you know, we got we
did not get enough mileage out of the cliff that
came out. Might have been during the crazy Columbia demonstrations
like last winter, in which one of the leaders of
the up with terrorism, which is actually just down with
(10:06):
Western civilization. All of this boils down to tearing down
Western civilization. And this gal, because of course it's an
angry woman, was saying, you've learned your colonialist theory and
your gender theory, and your queer theory and your Marxist
theory or whatever. It's time to take all of your
(10:27):
theories and put them into action. And that was a
really good kind of summary what all of this is,
All of those wackadoodal theories that fall under critical theory
are all just different ways to attack Western civilization and
bring it to its knees so you can infiltrate it
and usher in your Marxist utopia. And all of this
(10:51):
stuff is what that looks like inside the sausage factory.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
Shuh, I tell you this. I ain't gonna pay for
my kid to sit in one of those classrooms and
learn that crap. It ain't gonna happen. If they somehow
decide they really want that, they'll have to take out
a loan or figure it out on their own.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
One more, Just one more, can I please? Lesbian feminism
integrated with queer ecofeminism, animal studies and critical posthumanisms provide
tools to rethink non heteropatriarchal relations across more than human realms.
Queer ecofeminism involves liberating the erotic alongside nature queers and women,
(11:35):
challenging the hierarchical dualisms that link mind, body, reason, emotion, man, woman,
you can't bipoc human, animal, nature, culture and heterosexual queer.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
It's almost impossible to believe it's real. It's almost impossible
to believe it's real.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
I'm convinced for being trolled.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
By this she they I can believe that somewhere in
a marria there's a crazy old man tunelessly playing the
saw you ever seen anybody playing? I can believe that
and accept it. The idea that someone's paying them to
(12:13):
do that and they have tenure. That's where it gets
crazy to me. And that's what this stuff is.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
The most important thing we learned from today's podcast that
the purple fist represents what Katie.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
Oh sand circulat.
Speaker 4 (12:30):
Break Yeah, professor of lesbian dance theory. Yes, the purple
fist is lesbian dance theory. Or as Joey said, your
Scornchy's too tight around your wrist, you mind.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
Crutchy's too tight.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
Bad mittens another easy three units instead of this crap.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Well, I guess that's it.
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