August 15, 2026 • 38 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio the George
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the title well, at least people are finally paying attention
to the WNBAH. If you prefer I was wrong about
the Eagle, Dammit, Hanson. I need you to figure out
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exactly when I talked about Jackie the Eagle and mocked
it yesterday, Because for those of you who listened to
the show live on the radio somewhere in America or
I think we're just on in America online overseas for
those of you who listen live. I want to address
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the topic at the same time of day, so I'm
most likely to convey my Maya kulpa to the people
who heard it yesterday. Okay, the very short version. And Katie,
I know you get this. I realized, and we got
a couple of emails about this, very nice, very nice.
(02:09):
I realized there is a raptor cam that's not far
from my house that has focused on a couple of
different sorts of birds nests, but including some bald eagles.
And and I was really rooting for them to hatch
and the babies to be okay, and and and so,
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and I know nature is cruel, and maybe they will,
maybe they won't. But I get people who are like
invested in hoping the eagles would be okay and didn't
want to see Jackie the eagle. Eagles don't have names.
That part I'm still right about. Okay, Jackie here, where's Jackie?
(02:54):
Oh my god, mister president again again? Biden? Yeah no, no,
Biden's right, I'm sorry, Michael's right. Uh so anyway, what
I was objecting to, and I realize now I have
a bit of a problem. And Jack does this too,
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and I yell at him for it. I hate David
Muir so much. The bent knows jackass, who's the anchor
of ABC Evening News. Nobody watches the Evening News. His cloying,
surupy simpleton fixation on the story prejudiced me against the story. Yeah,
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and it got my backup. And I apologize to eagle
lovers everywhere. Your affection for rooting for the Eagles is
perfectly natural. Not the Philadelphia Eagles. I still hate them
and will till I die. But the Bald Eagles, it's
it's perfectly understandable. And I'm sorry the nice eagle lady
is dead. But nature is a nice eagle lady. But
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nature is cruel. Nature is really cruel. But I'm rooting
for the Eagles, of course I am. I'm not a monster.
I just hate David mu Or. He's a monster, all right.
So that's out of the way, although I will read
in a few words that's what I'm trying to say.
Thank you, mister former Attorney General. Who is that Michael again?
(04:31):
John Ashcroft? John Ashcroft. That's right, Wow, man, time flies, Katie.
I believe you have the transcript of what I said
yesterday and for which I need to apologize. Yes, how
long is it?
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Maybe a minute?
Speaker 1 (04:48):
All right? Jackie has passed.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
I believe in balance and that sort of thing. But look,
there is no crueler bitch on earth than Mother Nature.
Pardon my frank terminology. While there aren't that many bald eagles,
I'm just back from Alaska, where I can report that
they're like crows. There are a lot of them, a
hell of a lot of them.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
So if eagles did what eagles do.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
And Jackie's dead, that's just the way.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
That it goes. The eagle is dead.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
I'm sure I'll get angry emails about how insensitive I am. No,
I just like nature, and I understand human beings. You
don't get to tell nature how to be nature.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
That wasn't terrible. So we did get a couple of
emails from people who were hurt at my lack of
sensitivity to the dead eagle. And I will tell you this.
I reflected upon my words and realize two things. Number One,
I have been an enthusiastic consumer of a raptor cam
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that focuses on some nests by my house, and I
have rooted for the eagles, for their eggs to hatch,
and for them to have babies, and the babies to
be healthy and successful and that sort of thing. And
so I thought, well, wait a minute, then why was
I a little bit cynical about the reaction? And there
are two reasons. This is not an excuse, it's an explanation.
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Two reasons. Number one, some of the crazy people who
plagued the veterinarians and like went in and were trying
to insist that they save Jackie, and the people are like,
we're trying to do would you get out of here?
There were crazy people in the But secondly, and this
is the key point, I realized what queered me to
the whole thing, what poisoned my attitude, is how much
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I hate David Muir, the anchor of ABC News, the
bent nosed jackass who will report that well, first of all,
he reports that there's severe weather every single day, but
he uses the same self serious, low voice tone whether
he's reporting two baby ducks flew away from the nest
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or an earthquake killed one hundred thousand people in Detroit.
I mean, it's just and he's such a lefty and
he's so happy with himself. I hate him. And he's
really been hammering the Jackie the Eagle story in like
a syrupy, dopey way, and it prejudiced me, and it
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made me cynical about not David Muir bent knows jackass,
but about the people who are into the eagles. And
I apologize for that. I love nature. I love watching
raptors and shorebirds and that sort of thing. I spend
more time than his normal doing it. Yeah, I hate
David Muir, you know. So that's it.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
I had just kind of a bad taste in my
mouth for David Muir for a while, and now I
think I'm on your level. And it started with the
La fires when he had the fire jacket on and
they turned and he had a fashion clap clasp oh,
right back of the jacket to make him look more fish.
He's standing in front of Holmes burning to the ground.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
Yeah, he's so full of himself. Oh, that reminds me
among the other many things that we're probably not gonna
be able to squeeze in. Maybe we'll try tomorrow. But
the the trial or the legal proceedings against that confused,
dopey leftist piece of crap who actually set some of
the disastrous fires in southern California. It's it's underway, and
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it is utterly clear he did it in the name
of socialism and leftist politics. There have been reams written
about how those fires are the product of climate change,
yeah right, and fossil fuels and the evil, evil conservatives,
and how climate change threatens us all. Oh, they're about
to air a big climate change episode of sesame straight.
(08:52):
Oh good, that's nessaric. Yeah, that that's what they get.
Terrify the little kids. Terrify the little kids who can't
understand any of this monsters. Anyway, So you got reams
written about climate change, and you will you will be
unsuccessful if you go to La Times or any of
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the major publications to try to find information about leftist
inspired arson and the disaster, the utter devastation caused by
that leftist violence, because setting a massive wildfire is an
act of violence. I mean, my god, it's it is
perhaps the greatest mass destruction an individual can unleash, and
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it was leftist violence. But you will not get a
word on that. So anyway, enough said, I'm preaching to
the choir here. You all know what I'm talking about. Jacket.
There is no cruel e bit older mother nates soles
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what eagles do, and Jack is dead. That's just the
way it goes. I'm sure I get angry emaos about
how insensitive I am.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
No, I just I like nature and you don't get
to tell nature how to be nature.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Armstrong and Geddy Craig got Wall's longtime friend of the
Armstrong and Getty Show and friend of mine personally. Craig
the Healthcare Guru is an attorney, law and benefit consultant
for Benefit Revolution and is one of the most voracious
readers and studiers of what's happening in the world that
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I've ever met in my life. Hence a really good
guy to talk to you about some stuff that's pretty
complicated and tends to make people's eyes glaze over because
he's really really good at helping us understand it. Craig,
how are you, my friend?
Speaker 2 (10:56):
I am well, mister Getty, how are you?
Speaker 1 (10:58):
I'm terrific. Thank you can't come playing, but sometimes I
still do. Is the song said, let's talk about the
big problem in healthcare costs because I know I saw
this in your notes, and please people forgive me. Next year,
the healthcare costs for all of us, the increase will
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probably be the worst in a decade and a half.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
Correct, Yeah, the worst in sixteen years.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
Everybody's reporting, Oh, good lord, good lord. Okay, give us
all a minute. You've punched this in the stomach. Okay,
now we're able to stand up and listen. Why what's
the big problem?
Speaker 2 (11:38):
Well, the number one problem in healthcare and it's taken
me years to uncover this, Joe, and I know everybody
likes to hate on the insurance companies and they're a
huge problem. But the number one problem, if you just
look at this in a sheer dollars number, is the hospitals,
the hospital lobby, and specifically what hospitals charge employers for
the care they receive, because it's typically two and a
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half to three times what a hospital will charge a
patient on Medicare, for example. Now, is Medicare enough for
every hospital? Probably not, but it doesn't have to be
three x. And that's what's going on in the hospital world.
The statistic that I think boggles most minds on this
topic is if you were to cobble together all of
the profits in the hospital industry in a given year,
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it's about seventy five billion dollars, Whereas if you were
to cobble together all of the profits of all of
the health insurers in a given year, it's only about
a third of that twenty five billion dollars.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Wow, that is in the hospital pricing.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
Right. So we're we're dedicated capitalists, you and I. I'm
pro profit. But the problem is, and this is where
leftists get away with what they get away with. They
point to this and say it's the free market. No,
it's the opposite of the free market. It's cronyism. It's
lobbyists buying favors from the government. So basically, if you're
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on government healthcare, you are grossly underpaying what you probably
would for say a hospital stay or treatment or whatever.
And the hospitals, because the game is fixed by the government,
can then like double triple charge those of us with
private insurance and the government lets them while the government
forces them to take those underpaying government accounts. Is that
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more or less accurate?
Speaker 2 (13:20):
That is more or less accurate, Joe, Yeah, I mean
I might quibble with some of your ferb phrasing there,
But that's pretty much what's going on. Yeah, well it's
when we say government payment, right, that's a pretty broad
picture because mecaid, what the low income amongst us pay,
which is about twenty five percent of society, is underpaid.
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The Medicaid doesn't pay enough. Medicare, what we put the
oldsters on, it actually does pay enough at about eighty
to ninety percent of facilities. So this marketing ploy that
the Medicare is so horrible in payment is actually really
been kind of a smoke screen created by the hospital
and durance cartel in bed with the government, is what
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I would say. It's like you said, the market is
totally broken because the end users have no real exposure
to the actual prices. I mean, how many people understand
if you have your family on a health plan this year,
the premium for that health plan in twenty twenty seven
is going to be thirty thousand dollars. You don't see
it because your employer pays the line's share of it.
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But it's a new car every year just to ensure
your family.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
Wow. Wow.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
So then, and I'm here to tell you, Joe, a
huge portion of that is waste fraud, and abuse, So
like roughly a third thirty percent, and that's wasted. And
when I say waste, fraud and abuse, I mean middleman
getting rich. I mean lobbyists getting rich. I mean the
hospital lobby and the insurance lobby, shaking hands behind closed doors,
pretending that they fight over prices, when in reality they're
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just gouging us all with these prices. But the market's
so broken, it's such an oligopoly. We can't fix it
that way. We can't fix it with free market mechanisms. More. Wow,
so dangerous. That's what's so dangerous to allow the left
to say, ah, yes, we need socialism, right.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
Gosh, it would be more of this, yeah, gosh. So
is it just a political problem? Then we need like
new leaders who won't take the bribes and will design
a system that works. O. Now, is it just so
screwed up that we as individuals and companies have to
find workarounds.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
It'll never be fixed at the individual level, and it'll
never be fixed at the political level. It has to be.
The one power we still have in healthcare is that
employers still control about a third to forty percent of
all healthcare, so it's incumbent upon employers one by one
to exit the system, self ensure their plan, and remove
as many of these cartel members from their direct health
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care plan as they can. It works, it's growing, and
it is. It is the one ray of light we
have in this space where we're innovative eploye are saying,
no more insurance companies, no more hospital cartels. We're going
to negotiate directly with our local hospital. We're going to
find fare pricing, and we're going to put a plan
together on our own that exits all this lobby government
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industrial compact flex from our.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
Plan, right right. You mentioned, Craig that roughly a third
of healthcare spending is private insurance. Is that what you said?
Speaker 2 (16:24):
Yeah, there's two ways to cut this. So this is
a little bit because.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
I was working forward asking you what percentage currently is
the government paying for, you know, around America.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
Yeah, so the government, let's say it this way, taxpayers
pay for seventy percent of health care in the United States. Wow,
all right, true statement. Yeah, yeah, but employers still control
about forty five percent of health care in the United States.
And you say, well, how does that square Well, you
got to remember counties, cities, and governments are still employers,
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so those are government controlled employers that where the taxpayer
is paying the so you can look overlap and that statistic.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
Right right, yeah, okay, all right, Well we can talk
more about the you know, what companies can do with
self insurance and that sort of thing, because I absolutely
love it. But the long story made short is that
big hospital, big insurance, and big pharma are all in
bed together.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
Yeah, they absolutely are, and Obamacare solidified that for them.
Obamacare brought all of them to the table and said, look,
we're going to basically what was happening behind the scenes
and Obamacare as they were saying, we're going to tell
everybody we're going to cover more people and bring costs down.
But the reality is it was all a Lincoln and
nod and everybody kind of knew you weren't going to
bring costs down, which of course we haven't. Costs have
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gone up even faster since Obamacare. Yes, more people were covered,
but the number, because of population growth in the United States,
the number of uninsured in the country today is roughly
the same as it was when Obamacare passed in twenty ten.
So yes, we have more people covered, but with the
people coming in, we still have the same problem we
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had in twenty ten for the most part.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
Wow. So Obama in essence thought, reinventing this is going
to be way too difficult and politically unpopular. So I
will use the super giants who are already just at
the troth getting fat and enlist their help in return
for not calling them on their bs.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
Yeah, and that's exactly what would happen with any Let's
just say we get another super lefty socialist type in
the federal office right at the president's level, the same
thing would happen. They would get in and realize big insurance,
big pharma, and the hospital chains are so powerful. They're
the number one employer, the number one lobby, and the
number one expenditure in the federal government. And so they
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would just realize, Okay, we have to work with them
to massage it. We'll never be able to break out
of the system entirely. It has to be employers doing
it one by one. If we got to twenty to
twenty five percent of employers doing this, it would radically
change the healthcare land.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
Wow. If people want to know more about that, or
understand it, or read it a little more slowly, how
do they get a hold of you or read your
substack or whatever.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
Yeah, Gottwalves dot substack dot com, or you can you
can just google my name. There's only one Craig Gottwalds
in the United States, so it makes it really easy.
You can find me on LinkedIn or Twitter or substack.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
G O T T W A LS. We'll have a
link at Armstrong and Getty dot com so people can
find you. Craig Gotwalls, Craig the healthcare guru. H grab
them online if you need to. Greg, It's always fun
to talk. Best of the family and will stay in
touch right, Thank you sir much, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty.
We've decided to call this the best weekend talk show
in America. And if you like it, download Armstrong and
(19:41):
Getty on demand. I have a local city councilman that
has this saying woke one was crazy. What a perfect
lead into a conversation with James Lindsey, author matth metician,
woke culture critic, critical clown theorist. You probably heard of
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James at first in the famous and hilarious Grievance Studies
Affair with Peter Bogosie and Helen pluck Rose in their
fabulous hoax papers having to do with the dog parks
and rape culture and the conceptual penis as a social construct.
He also James also, along with Helen Pluckrose, co authored
the book Cynical Theories, that I consider absolutely invaluable to read,
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at least the first several chapters. You will read them
and you will say, oh my god, now I get
it about the modern world. I know how busy you are,
so thanks for spending a couple of minutes to reinforce
this front in the same war you've been fighting.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (20:44):
Absolutely, I'm always glad to help out here.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
All right.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
Cool. So I'm going to start the chat non traditionally
with a quiz and we'll see how you do on it.
James lindsay, what links the WNBA's current woes the Smithsonianational
History Museum becoming an anti American museum and people insisting
that two plus two can equal five? What is the
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common threat?
Speaker 4 (21:09):
You guys probably call it woke, but the answer is
modern Western Marxism.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
Right, based on in large part critical theory, which you
talk about in Cynical Theories. Help people understand, is woke
not the most useful term or what is this thing
shaped like?
Speaker 4 (21:28):
Well, I mean, woke is a great term because the
way that this actually works is the people involved feel
like they woke up to a different understanding of reality
that they were asleep just accepting reality as it's handed
to them. And then now they've seen behind the curtain,
and what they see behind the curtain is systems of
power that are dominated by privileged groups ruling everything. So
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wok is a great term. In fact, it's the term
they gave themselves. It's not an academic term or a
technical term. Critical theory, like you just said, is the
technical term in critical theory is this idea that the
society is designed to reproduce itself over and over and
over again. This goes back to the first essay written
about the subject in nineteen thirty seven by Max Horkheimer.
He says, the society just reproduces itself. It works to
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make everything better all the time. And he says, but
we question what they mean by better, because something qualitatively
different is necessary to have better. And by qualitatively different,
he means no freedom, he means no capitalism, he means
socialism and central control.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
So I think a lot of people, perhaps those who
don't listen to this show think Marxism. Wait a minute,
that's about workers of the world and the proletariat and
that sort of thing I don't understand, right, So.
Speaker 4 (22:43):
That's the magic word that I threw him when I
said Marxism a moment ago and I said Western Marxism.
So in the nineteen tens, Marxism split into two schools.
One took over the Soviet or Russia and became the
Soviet Union. That same one went on into China. That's
Eastern Marxism, which effectively went to peasant societies and overthrew
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them and installed dictatorships. Western society had a problem. It
was capitalist, it was successful, There was a rising middle class,
and the middle class was stable and conservative and didn't
want to overthrow its culture or its economy or its politics,
and Marxism wouldn't take off. But that's what Marx said
would actually happen, is a capitalist society is not. Peasant
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societies would overthrow and become communists. So a new school
of thought that attacks cultural institutions in order to transform
the values of society outside of the workers, particularly arose,
and that's called Western Marxism. The thing we call woke
is a century of that developing to where it's become
a very sophisticated cultural revolution weapon against countries like the
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United States.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
I've got so many avenues I want to pursue with
you as a true or well freak. The part that
really disturbs me about theory about what you've been discussing
is the way they aggressively twist language and terrify people
into not saying anything at all.
Speaker 4 (24:11):
One is that they collect all the good words to
themselves and project all the bad words under their enemies.
And what they've done is systematically spent most of the
twentieth century and beginning of the twenty first century figuring
out words like racist and homophobe and transphobe that will
paralyze their opposition and let them get away with literally
almost anything people are literally giving. Look at the I
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know that's Britain, not America, but look at this Pakistani
rape gag scandal in Britain. Scandal is a funny word
for over two hundred and fifty thousand girls, white girls
being raped by Pakistani Muslims in systematic ways. And this
whole thing gets shoved under the rug, it gets downplay,
it gets ignored, it gets covered up because nobody wanted
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to get called racist. That's what they've managed to do
with the bad word, and then they call themselves good
words that people don't understand. They twist like democratic socialist. Well,
they don't tell you when they say democratic socialist, the
democratic means only the people who have the right ideology
count as the people and therefore have free speech or
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political suffrage to get to vote or even at the
end of the day end up if they get power,
having full access to private property. That there's two kinds
of people, the privileged and the oppressed, and only the
oppressed have political rights. They don't tell you that's baked
into their definition of democracy. That that's the way that
Vladimir Lenin, who they take is their inspiration, used the term,
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wrote about the term, explain the term in speeches. And
the same thing with socialism. They try to portray it
in these men on the street videos that oh, it
means we're going down to the bar and watching the
game and hanging out because we're all having things in common.
It's like socializing, And that's just a lie. Socialism you
cannot voluntarily do. Everybody has to participate. You can just
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choose to be socialist in your lifestyle. The only way
you can have a socialist lifestyle style is that everybody
has a socialist lifestyle, and that the state, with its
guns secures a socialist lifestyle for everybody.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
Right, one of the twists of language that a lot
of folks noticed was the whole that's not free speech,
that's hate speech, and hate speech shouldn't be free speech.
Speech is violence, but then acts of violence or speech.
And you know, if there's an overarching point of this conversation,
it's that a lot of people thought, Wow, those people
are just crazy academic and they don't realize there's a
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huge there's a whole philosophical underpinning to what they're doing.
They're not doing it accidentally because they're wacky, they have
a deliberate purpose. To your point about the Britain rape gangs,
which is, for what it's worth, mister Lindsay did not
exaggerate one iota in the horror of that story. Need
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there be anything else said about the Red Green Alliance?
How Islamists and Marxists work together at overthrow Western civilization
and fight it out afterward, or do you think that
covers the top.
Speaker 4 (27:03):
I mean, yeah, there is. Actually, I think there's something
very important. People ask all the time, like we have
this movement here in the West, Queers for Palestine. People
think that's funny because they all know that the radical
Giadis will throw gay people off of roofs and openly
now are saying, you know, we're not with you, guys, Instill.
The Queers for Palestine are behind them, this Red Green alliance.
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Why are Muslims, radical Muslims and communists or you know,
democratic socialists working so closely together. Why is this on
Piker so influential. Why do we see these you know,
radical Muslims rising in like Michigan, this lsied guy or whatever.
Why is this happening? And the answer, actually, the interesting
thing is the answer from the communist side is on
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the last page of the communist manifesto. Mark's on the
last page of the communist Manifesto says that the communists
always and everywhere will take the side of any revolutionary
movement that's trying to overthrow the existing order of things.
So the communists will all always ally themselves, Marxists will
always ally themselves with anything that's socially disruptive. The other
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side is that the principle of common enemy works as
the principle of common enemy for both sides. So the
Muslims are more than happy to play the game, just
like they played the game in Iran in the late
nineteen seventies to establish the the Shia regime that has
been in power ever since. The President Trump is now
trying to dismantle. So they're more than willing to make
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frenemies with each other. It's explicitly coded in the communist
manifesto as a means of opportunism, and the radical Muslims
see the same exact means of opportunism. And they've been
working together closely for a long time to take down America,
take down the West.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
Well, in nineteen seventy nine in Iran, how'd things go
for those college educated, dewey eyed young Marxists who helped
the Iatola come back?
Speaker 4 (28:54):
Maybe we should ask them, Oh wait, we can't. They
killed all of them. Oh yeah, it didn't work out,
that's right. And the only interesting question about the entire thing,
because the Islamists, the Shia killed them all, all the Leftists,
all the Communists that helped, is whether or not the
Soviet Union let it happen in kind of a conspiracy
theory way, because it would be more advantageous to their
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interests not to have another communist state arise and to
let the Molas run things to their own benefit without
it being explicitly communists. It's the only question. But the Communists,
whether they were sacrificed by their own headquarters in Moscow
or whether they were just the end result of the
Molas taking over, are all dead or got kicked out
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if they were able to flee for their lives but
they were completely put down.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
We're talking to author James Lindsay and James, I know
your time is limited, so just one or two more
quick questions, and again this is you know, through the
lens of orwell, but why is it so important that
these folks infiltrated the schools number one and are teaching
American history in the way they're teaching it.
Speaker 4 (30:01):
Well, you know, it's very interesting because normally when you
go to give an answer about communists, you stick to
the communists, and you can talk about Lenin saying, you know,
if he's given the youth for a few years, you'll
plant the seed so deep you'll never uproot it. But
the best answer actually comes from a national socialist, namely
the national socialist that Off Hitler. A lot of people
don't know he wrote a book in nineteen twenty eight
(30:22):
after mindkomf. It never got published. It's literally called I'm
Not Joking my Secret Book. And in his secret book
he actually has a chapter where he explains that the
older population will never go for this radical proposal of
national socialism the way he's laying it out, and then
he says, in the last few words of that particular chapter,
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but what we can do is that we can get
the youth. We can convince young people that this is
the way the world is supposed to be. We can
convince young people that this is the ideology. Even if
we can't get the old people in the next generation
coming up will displace the generations that came before. And
so this strategy of the theory in communism is called socialization.
(31:03):
They believe everybody learns how to be who they are
through a social process. There's no there's no genetic component
or anything. You socialize people to be how they are.
So our society socializes them to be capitalists who believe
in freedom, and that's a huge problem. But if we
had a socialist system, it would socialize people to be socialist.
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So what you do. The easiest people to socialize are children.
You take the children, You get control of the schools,
you get control of the curriculum, you get control of
the young people's minds, and raise them to believe that
they were brought up in the wrong kind of society,
with the wrong kind of values, with the wrong kind
of parents, with the wrong kind of faith in church.
And you get them to turn against that society by
showing them how rotten and evil and unfair and unjust
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it was, even though it traumatizes them. That's actually to
the advantage of the leftist educator because that trauma can
be used to restructure their value system. It's actually called
borrowing off of Nietzsche a transvaluation of values, which is
written about in the leftist literature as well. So you
go after the young people because it works because older
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people have roots, have understanding, have wisdom and won't take it,
but the younger people don't. So they steal people's children
on purpose as a strategic way to overthrow the existing society.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
James Lindsay's Fabulous Book with Helen Fluckrose is cynical theories.
James also a great follow on Twitter or whatever social
media you like. James, we sure appreciate the time you
spent today and if there's anything we can ever do
to help you, please let us know that we're serious
about this. It's a huge fight and it's really important.
So thanks a Millian, keep up the good work.
Speaker 4 (32:40):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
Oh absolutely, yeah, James Lindsay. Everybody, wow, wow, wow. More Toicum.
Let's get right into it. The freedom loving quote of
the day, continuing our series from the Kita Khrushchev, one
of the most critical figures in communism in the twentieth century,
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guided the Soviet Union well, so to speak, in the
middle part of the century. I can prophesy that your
grandchildren in America will live under socialism. Our firm conviction
is that sooner or later, capitalism will give way to socialism.
Whether you like it or not, History is on our side.
We will bury you. He was kind enough to say
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out loud what their strategy was, and a lot of young,
dope Americans are embracing it, but thinking they're so smart
and innovative they will guide socialism and state control to
a utopian outcome and not end up like it always
ends up. Ah youth, It's wonderful, isn't it. Mailbag drops note.
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Mail Bag at Armstrong and Geddy dot com got this
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for two plus DECs case. Thanks Tom, Gosh. I wanted
to you to know that I recognize how difficult your
job must be when done solo. Passed this on to
Jack as well. Doing what you do as a team
five days a week must be challenging. It is fairly,
but going solo has got to be a mindbender. It
isn't Oh, And then he says you're a season pro, Joe, Eddy,
(34:15):
and so's Jack. All right, First of all, thank you
for the note. You know, anytime one of us does
the show solo, we get lovely expressions like this, But
then there's inevitably and we appreciate it because it is
It's like going from doubles tennis to singles tennis, and
we appreciate them, but inevitably we'll get a couple of notes.
We got one today saying, you know, Joe, when Jack
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was on during our four I just I got to
tell you I think the show is better when both
of you are on, and I always roll my eyes
and laugh at them. Why do you think we've been
doing a show together for twenty eight years? Well, if
you include our music radio days misery, it's like thirty
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five years.
Speaker 2 (34:59):
We know.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
Oh oh boy, I've always so amused by that. Okay,
moving along, Kevin the Texas Texas Marine with a thought
about the book you mentioned. Wednesday's Third Hour is a
book about radicalism that is in favor of political violence
that L. Sied Is recommended ten times on his podcast.
(35:23):
It's one of his favorite books. Kevin the Texas Marine says, well,
a voracious reader, a reader, I will never read this
particular book, mainly because I don't want to give these
authors any money. You mentioned that they are against the
state because the state is violent. It isn't what communists
want is more the state. In fact, the state is
in charge of everything. Oh wait, they want the state
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they agree with, then the violence is okay and widespread
and state sanctioned. Well, the left is nothing if they
aren't hypocrites. It's absolutely true. Similar topic aj from the
People's Public of the Lehoe, California Rights Dear vern vern
Is Jack I think doesn't. If Jack wanted to be
known as Verne, you wanted the nickname Verne Michael. Yeah.
(36:05):
AOC's comment about Francesca Hong saying Woke one was crazy
was a veiled way to say those who stick blindly
to yesterday's party line are too dumb to succeed. I
think you're absolutely right. AJ is a great point. Rather
than being in denial that she herself once spouted that nonsense,
AOC's comment was more lament that there are those who
(36:27):
can't keep current with today's accepted party line A La
Mao's China Ca, CWTJ keep current with today's jargon. AJ,
that's an absolutely excellent point. And that's what I was
talking about before before. Yeah, there's gonna be a woke
two point zero, three point zero. They're just adapting strategies.
These people want to overthrow Western civilization. If you missed
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my interview with James Lindsay yesterday, it's available on the
Armstrong and Getty on demand podcast. It's kind of highlighted.
It's easy to find. Let's see. Skipper McHale writes, hag
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We had a deputy commander of Special Ops Command, South Navy,
Captain Seal Guy looked a lot like Hegzeth. He kept cats,
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One day he said, Champlain, do you know why I
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to the WNBAH. If you prefer I was wrong about
the Eagle, Dammit, Hanson. I need you to figure out
(01:22):
exactly when I talked about Jackie the Eagle and mocked
it yesterday, Because for those of you who listened to
the show live on the radio somewhere in America or
I think we're just on in America online overseas for
those of you who listen live. I want to address
(01:44):
the topic at the same time of day, so I'm
most likely to convey my Maya kulpa to the people
who heard it yesterday. Okay, the very short version. And Katie,
I know you get this. I realized, and we got
a couple of emails about this, very nice, very nice.
(02:09):
I realized there is a raptor cam that's not far
from my house that has focused on a couple of
different sorts of birds nests, but including some bald eagles.
And and I was really rooting for them to hatch
and the babies to be okay, and and and so,
(02:34):
and I know nature is cruel, and maybe they will,
maybe they won't. But I get people who are like
invested in hoping the eagles would be okay and didn't
want to see Jackie the eagle. Eagles don't have names.
That part I'm still right about. Okay, Jackie here, where's Jackie?
(02:54):
Oh my god, mister president again again? Biden? Yeah no, no,
Biden's right, I'm sorry, Michael's right. Uh so anyway, what
I was objecting to, and I realize now I have
a bit of a problem. And Jack does this too,
(03:17):
and I yell at him for it. I hate David
Muir so much. The bent knows jackass, who's the anchor
of ABC Evening News. Nobody watches the Evening News. His cloying,
surupy simpleton fixation on the story prejudiced me against the story. Yeah,
(03:43):
and it got my backup. And I apologize to eagle
lovers everywhere. Your affection for rooting for the Eagles is
perfectly natural. Not the Philadelphia Eagles. I still hate them
and will till I die. But the Bald Eagles, it's
it's perfectly understandable. And I'm sorry the nice eagle lady
is dead. But nature is a nice eagle lady. But
(04:08):
nature is cruel. Nature is really cruel. But I'm rooting
for the Eagles, of course I am. I'm not a monster.
I just hate David mu Or. He's a monster, all right.
So that's out of the way, although I will read
in a few words that's what I'm trying to say.
Thank you, mister former Attorney General. Who is that Michael again?
(04:31):
John Ashcroft? John Ashcroft. That's right, Wow, man, time flies, Katie.
I believe you have the transcript of what I said
yesterday and for which I need to apologize. Yes, how
long is it?
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Maybe a minute?
Speaker 1 (04:48):
All right? Jackie has passed.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
I believe in balance and that sort of thing. But look,
there is no crueler bitch on earth than Mother Nature.
Pardon my frank terminology. While there aren't that many bald eagles,
I'm just back from Alaska, where I can report that
they're like crows. There are a lot of them, a
hell of a lot of them.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
So if eagles did what eagles do.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
And Jackie's dead, that's just the way.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
That it goes. The eagle is dead.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
I'm sure I'll get angry emails about how insensitive I am. No,
I just like nature, and I understand human beings. You
don't get to tell nature how to be nature.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
That wasn't terrible. So we did get a couple of
emails from people who were hurt at my lack of
sensitivity to the dead eagle. And I will tell you this.
I reflected upon my words and realize two things. Number One,
I have been an enthusiastic consumer of a raptor cam
(05:50):
that focuses on some nests by my house, and I
have rooted for the eagles, for their eggs to hatch,
and for them to have babies, and the babies to
be healthy and successful and that sort of thing. And
so I thought, well, wait a minute, then why was
I a little bit cynical about the reaction? And there
are two reasons. This is not an excuse, it's an explanation.
(06:13):
Two reasons. Number one, some of the crazy people who
plagued the veterinarians and like went in and were trying
to insist that they save Jackie, and the people are like,
we're trying to do would you get out of here?
There were crazy people in the But secondly, and this
is the key point, I realized what queered me to
the whole thing, what poisoned my attitude, is how much
(06:37):
I hate David Muir, the anchor of ABC News, the
bent nosed jackass who will report that well, first of all,
he reports that there's severe weather every single day, but
he uses the same self serious, low voice tone whether
he's reporting two baby ducks flew away from the nest
(07:00):
or an earthquake killed one hundred thousand people in Detroit.
I mean, it's just and he's such a lefty and
he's so happy with himself. I hate him. And he's
really been hammering the Jackie the Eagle story in like
a syrupy, dopey way, and it prejudiced me, and it
(07:22):
made me cynical about not David Muir bent knows jackass,
but about the people who are into the eagles. And
I apologize for that. I love nature. I love watching
raptors and shorebirds and that sort of thing. I spend
more time than his normal doing it. Yeah, I hate
David Muir, you know. So that's it.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
I had just kind of a bad taste in my
mouth for David Muir for a while, and now I
think I'm on your level. And it started with the
La fires when he had the fire jacket on and
they turned and he had a fashion clap clasp oh,
right back of the jacket to make him look more fish.
He's standing in front of Holmes burning to the ground.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
Yeah, he's so full of himself. Oh, that reminds me
among the other many things that we're probably not gonna
be able to squeeze in. Maybe we'll try tomorrow. But
the the trial or the legal proceedings against that confused,
dopey leftist piece of crap who actually set some of
the disastrous fires in southern California. It's it's underway, and
(08:30):
it is utterly clear he did it in the name
of socialism and leftist politics. There have been reams written
about how those fires are the product of climate change,
yeah right, and fossil fuels and the evil, evil conservatives,
and how climate change threatens us all. Oh, they're about
to air a big climate change episode of sesame straight.
(08:52):
Oh good, that's nessaric. Yeah, that that's what they get.
Terrify the little kids. Terrify the little kids who can't
understand any of this monsters. Anyway, So you got reams
written about climate change, and you will you will be
unsuccessful if you go to La Times or any of
(09:12):
the major publications to try to find information about leftist
inspired arson and the disaster, the utter devastation caused by
that leftist violence, because setting a massive wildfire is an
act of violence. I mean, my god, it's it is
perhaps the greatest mass destruction an individual can unleash, and
(09:39):
it was leftist violence. But you will not get a
word on that. So anyway, enough said, I'm preaching to
the choir here. You all know what I'm talking about. Jacket.
There is no cruel e bit older mother nates soles
(10:02):
what eagles do, and Jack is dead. That's just the
way it goes. I'm sure I get angry emaos about
how insensitive I am.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
No, I just I like nature and you don't get
to tell nature how to be nature.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Armstrong and Geddy Craig got Wall's longtime friend of the
Armstrong and Getty Show and friend of mine personally. Craig
the Healthcare Guru is an attorney, law and benefit consultant
for Benefit Revolution and is one of the most voracious
readers and studiers of what's happening in the world that
(10:44):
I've ever met in my life. Hence a really good
guy to talk to you about some stuff that's pretty
complicated and tends to make people's eyes glaze over because
he's really really good at helping us understand it. Craig,
how are you, my friend?
Speaker 2 (10:56):
I am well, mister Getty, how are you?
Speaker 1 (10:58):
I'm terrific. Thank you can't come playing, but sometimes I
still do. Is the song said, let's talk about the
big problem in healthcare costs because I know I saw
this in your notes, and please people forgive me. Next year,
the healthcare costs for all of us, the increase will
(11:19):
probably be the worst in a decade and a half.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
Correct, Yeah, the worst in sixteen years.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
Everybody's reporting, Oh, good lord, good lord. Okay, give us
all a minute. You've punched this in the stomach. Okay,
now we're able to stand up and listen. Why what's
the big problem?
Speaker 2 (11:38):
Well, the number one problem in healthcare and it's taken
me years to uncover this, Joe, and I know everybody
likes to hate on the insurance companies and they're a
huge problem. But the number one problem, if you just
look at this in a sheer dollars number, is the hospitals,
the hospital lobby, and specifically what hospitals charge employers for
the care they receive, because it's typically two and a
(12:01):
half to three times what a hospital will charge a
patient on Medicare, for example. Now, is Medicare enough for
every hospital? Probably not, but it doesn't have to be
three x. And that's what's going on in the hospital world.
The statistic that I think boggles most minds on this
topic is if you were to cobble together all of
the profits in the hospital industry in a given year,
(12:22):
it's about seventy five billion dollars, Whereas if you were
to cobble together all of the profits of all of
the health insurers in a given year, it's only about
a third of that twenty five billion dollars.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Wow, that is in the hospital pricing.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
Right. So we're we're dedicated capitalists, you and I. I'm
pro profit. But the problem is, and this is where
leftists get away with what they get away with. They
point to this and say it's the free market. No,
it's the opposite of the free market. It's cronyism. It's
lobbyists buying favors from the government. So basically, if you're
(12:58):
on government healthcare, you are grossly underpaying what you probably
would for say a hospital stay or treatment or whatever.
And the hospitals, because the game is fixed by the government,
can then like double triple charge those of us with
private insurance and the government lets them while the government
forces them to take those underpaying government accounts. Is that
(13:18):
more or less accurate?
Speaker 2 (13:20):
That is more or less accurate, Joe, Yeah, I mean
I might quibble with some of your ferb phrasing there,
But that's pretty much what's going on. Yeah, well it's
when we say government payment, right, that's a pretty broad
picture because mecaid, what the low income amongst us pay,
which is about twenty five percent of society, is underpaid.
(13:41):
The Medicaid doesn't pay enough. Medicare, what we put the
oldsters on, it actually does pay enough at about eighty
to ninety percent of facilities. So this marketing ploy that
the Medicare is so horrible in payment is actually really
been kind of a smoke screen created by the hospital
and durance cartel in bed with the government, is what
(14:02):
I would say. It's like you said, the market is
totally broken because the end users have no real exposure
to the actual prices. I mean, how many people understand
if you have your family on a health plan this year,
the premium for that health plan in twenty twenty seven
is going to be thirty thousand dollars. You don't see
it because your employer pays the line's share of it.
(14:23):
But it's a new car every year just to ensure
your family.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
Wow. Wow.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
So then, and I'm here to tell you, Joe, a
huge portion of that is waste fraud, and abuse, So
like roughly a third thirty percent, and that's wasted. And
when I say waste, fraud and abuse, I mean middleman
getting rich. I mean lobbyists getting rich. I mean the
hospital lobby and the insurance lobby, shaking hands behind closed doors,
pretending that they fight over prices, when in reality they're
(14:51):
just gouging us all with these prices. But the market's
so broken, it's such an oligopoly. We can't fix it
that way. We can't fix it with free market mechanisms. More. Wow,
so dangerous. That's what's so dangerous to allow the left
to say, ah, yes, we need socialism, right.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
Gosh, it would be more of this, yeah, gosh. So
is it just a political problem? Then we need like
new leaders who won't take the bribes and will design
a system that works. O. Now, is it just so
screwed up that we as individuals and companies have to
find workarounds.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
It'll never be fixed at the individual level, and it'll
never be fixed at the political level. It has to be.
The one power we still have in healthcare is that
employers still control about a third to forty percent of
all healthcare, so it's incumbent upon employers one by one
to exit the system, self ensure their plan, and remove
as many of these cartel members from their direct health
(15:50):
care plan as they can. It works, it's growing, and
it is. It is the one ray of light we
have in this space where we're innovative eploye are saying,
no more insurance companies, no more hospital cartels. We're going
to negotiate directly with our local hospital. We're going to
find fare pricing, and we're going to put a plan
together on our own that exits all this lobby government
(16:13):
industrial compact flex from our.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
Plan, right right. You mentioned, Craig that roughly a third
of healthcare spending is private insurance. Is that what you said?
Speaker 2 (16:24):
Yeah, there's two ways to cut this. So this is
a little bit because.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
I was working forward asking you what percentage currently is
the government paying for, you know, around America.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
Yeah, so the government, let's say it this way, taxpayers
pay for seventy percent of health care in the United States. Wow,
all right, true statement. Yeah, yeah, but employers still control
about forty five percent of health care in the United States.
And you say, well, how does that square Well, you
got to remember counties, cities, and governments are still employers,
(16:55):
so those are government controlled employers that where the taxpayer
is paying the so you can look overlap and that statistic.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
Right right, yeah, okay, all right, Well we can talk
more about the you know, what companies can do with
self insurance and that sort of thing, because I absolutely
love it. But the long story made short is that
big hospital, big insurance, and big pharma are all in
bed together.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
Yeah, they absolutely are, and Obamacare solidified that for them.
Obamacare brought all of them to the table and said, look,
we're going to basically what was happening behind the scenes
and Obamacare as they were saying, we're going to tell
everybody we're going to cover more people and bring costs down.
But the reality is it was all a Lincoln and
nod and everybody kind of knew you weren't going to
bring costs down, which of course we haven't. Costs have
(17:41):
gone up even faster since Obamacare. Yes, more people were covered,
but the number, because of population growth in the United States,
the number of uninsured in the country today is roughly
the same as it was when Obamacare passed in twenty ten.
So yes, we have more people covered, but with the
people coming in, we still have the same problem we
(18:01):
had in twenty ten for the most part.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
Wow. So Obama in essence thought, reinventing this is going
to be way too difficult and politically unpopular. So I
will use the super giants who are already just at
the troth getting fat and enlist their help in return
for not calling them on their bs.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
Yeah, and that's exactly what would happen with any Let's
just say we get another super lefty socialist type in
the federal office right at the president's level, the same
thing would happen. They would get in and realize big insurance,
big pharma, and the hospital chains are so powerful. They're
the number one employer, the number one lobby, and the
number one expenditure in the federal government. And so they
(18:46):
would just realize, Okay, we have to work with them
to massage it. We'll never be able to break out
of the system entirely. It has to be employers doing
it one by one. If we got to twenty to
twenty five percent of employers doing this, it would radically
change the healthcare land.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
Wow. If people want to know more about that, or
understand it, or read it a little more slowly, how
do they get a hold of you or read your
substack or whatever.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
Yeah, Gottwalves dot substack dot com, or you can you
can just google my name. There's only one Craig Gottwalds
in the United States, so it makes it really easy.
You can find me on LinkedIn or Twitter or substack.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
G O T T W A LS. We'll have a
link at Armstrong and Getty dot com so people can
find you. Craig Gotwalls, Craig the healthcare guru. H grab
them online if you need to. Greg, It's always fun
to talk. Best of the family and will stay in
touch right, Thank you sir much, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty.
We've decided to call this the best weekend talk show
in America. And if you like it, download Armstrong and
(19:41):
Getty on demand. I have a local city councilman that
has this saying woke one was crazy. What a perfect
lead into a conversation with James Lindsey, author matth metician,
woke culture critic, critical clown theorist. You probably heard of
(20:05):
James at first in the famous and hilarious Grievance Studies
Affair with Peter Bogosie and Helen pluck Rose in their
fabulous hoax papers having to do with the dog parks
and rape culture and the conceptual penis as a social construct.
He also James also, along with Helen Pluckrose, co authored
the book Cynical Theories, that I consider absolutely invaluable to read,
(20:30):
at least the first several chapters. You will read them
and you will say, oh my god, now I get
it about the modern world. I know how busy you are,
so thanks for spending a couple of minutes to reinforce
this front in the same war you've been fighting.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (20:44):
Absolutely, I'm always glad to help out here.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
All right.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
Cool. So I'm going to start the chat non traditionally
with a quiz and we'll see how you do on it.
James lindsay, what links the WNBA's current woes the Smithsonianational
History Museum becoming an anti American museum and people insisting
that two plus two can equal five? What is the
(21:08):
common threat?
Speaker 4 (21:09):
You guys probably call it woke, but the answer is
modern Western Marxism.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
Right, based on in large part critical theory, which you
talk about in Cynical Theories. Help people understand, is woke
not the most useful term or what is this thing
shaped like?
Speaker 4 (21:28):
Well, I mean, woke is a great term because the
way that this actually works is the people involved feel
like they woke up to a different understanding of reality
that they were asleep just accepting reality as it's handed
to them. And then now they've seen behind the curtain,
and what they see behind the curtain is systems of
power that are dominated by privileged groups ruling everything. So
(21:49):
wok is a great term. In fact, it's the term
they gave themselves. It's not an academic term or a
technical term. Critical theory, like you just said, is the
technical term in critical theory is this idea that the
society is designed to reproduce itself over and over and
over again. This goes back to the first essay written
about the subject in nineteen thirty seven by Max Horkheimer.
He says, the society just reproduces itself. It works to
(22:12):
make everything better all the time. And he says, but
we question what they mean by better, because something qualitatively
different is necessary to have better. And by qualitatively different,
he means no freedom, he means no capitalism, he means
socialism and central control.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
So I think a lot of people, perhaps those who
don't listen to this show think Marxism. Wait a minute,
that's about workers of the world and the proletariat and
that sort of thing I don't understand, right, So.
Speaker 4 (22:43):
That's the magic word that I threw him when I
said Marxism a moment ago and I said Western Marxism.
So in the nineteen tens, Marxism split into two schools.
One took over the Soviet or Russia and became the
Soviet Union. That same one went on into China. That's
Eastern Marxism, which effectively went to peasant societies and overthrew
(23:05):
them and installed dictatorships. Western society had a problem. It
was capitalist, it was successful, There was a rising middle class,
and the middle class was stable and conservative and didn't
want to overthrow its culture or its economy or its politics,
and Marxism wouldn't take off. But that's what Marx said
would actually happen, is a capitalist society is not. Peasant
(23:26):
societies would overthrow and become communists. So a new school
of thought that attacks cultural institutions in order to transform
the values of society outside of the workers, particularly arose,
and that's called Western Marxism. The thing we call woke
is a century of that developing to where it's become
a very sophisticated cultural revolution weapon against countries like the
(23:49):
United States.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
I've got so many avenues I want to pursue with
you as a true or well freak. The part that
really disturbs me about theory about what you've been discussing
is the way they aggressively twist language and terrify people
into not saying anything at all.
Speaker 4 (24:11):
One is that they collect all the good words to
themselves and project all the bad words under their enemies.
And what they've done is systematically spent most of the
twentieth century and beginning of the twenty first century figuring
out words like racist and homophobe and transphobe that will
paralyze their opposition and let them get away with literally
almost anything people are literally giving. Look at the I
(24:34):
know that's Britain, not America, but look at this Pakistani
rape gag scandal in Britain. Scandal is a funny word
for over two hundred and fifty thousand girls, white girls
being raped by Pakistani Muslims in systematic ways. And this
whole thing gets shoved under the rug, it gets downplay,
it gets ignored, it gets covered up because nobody wanted
(24:55):
to get called racist. That's what they've managed to do
with the bad word, and then they call themselves good
words that people don't understand. They twist like democratic socialist. Well,
they don't tell you when they say democratic socialist, the
democratic means only the people who have the right ideology
count as the people and therefore have free speech or
(25:16):
political suffrage to get to vote or even at the
end of the day end up if they get power,
having full access to private property. That there's two kinds
of people, the privileged and the oppressed, and only the
oppressed have political rights. They don't tell you that's baked
into their definition of democracy. That that's the way that
Vladimir Lenin, who they take is their inspiration, used the term,
(25:36):
wrote about the term, explain the term in speeches. And
the same thing with socialism. They try to portray it
in these men on the street videos that oh, it
means we're going down to the bar and watching the
game and hanging out because we're all having things in common.
It's like socializing, And that's just a lie. Socialism you
cannot voluntarily do. Everybody has to participate. You can just
(25:57):
choose to be socialist in your lifestyle. The only way
you can have a socialist lifestyle style is that everybody
has a socialist lifestyle, and that the state, with its
guns secures a socialist lifestyle for everybody.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
Right, one of the twists of language that a lot
of folks noticed was the whole that's not free speech,
that's hate speech, and hate speech shouldn't be free speech.
Speech is violence, but then acts of violence or speech.
And you know, if there's an overarching point of this conversation,
it's that a lot of people thought, Wow, those people
are just crazy academic and they don't realize there's a
(26:33):
huge there's a whole philosophical underpinning to what they're doing.
They're not doing it accidentally because they're wacky, they have
a deliberate purpose. To your point about the Britain rape gangs,
which is, for what it's worth, mister Lindsay did not
exaggerate one iota in the horror of that story. Need
(26:53):
there be anything else said about the Red Green Alliance?
How Islamists and Marxists work together at overthrow Western civilization
and fight it out afterward, or do you think that
covers the top.
Speaker 4 (27:03):
I mean, yeah, there is. Actually, I think there's something
very important. People ask all the time, like we have
this movement here in the West, Queers for Palestine. People
think that's funny because they all know that the radical
Giadis will throw gay people off of roofs and openly
now are saying, you know, we're not with you, guys, Instill.
The Queers for Palestine are behind them, this Red Green alliance.
(27:24):
Why are Muslims, radical Muslims and communists or you know,
democratic socialists working so closely together. Why is this on
Piker so influential. Why do we see these you know,
radical Muslims rising in like Michigan, this lsied guy or whatever.
Why is this happening? And the answer, actually, the interesting
thing is the answer from the communist side is on
(27:45):
the last page of the communist manifesto. Mark's on the
last page of the communist Manifesto says that the communists
always and everywhere will take the side of any revolutionary
movement that's trying to overthrow the existing order of things.
So the communists will all always ally themselves, Marxists will
always ally themselves with anything that's socially disruptive. The other
(28:07):
side is that the principle of common enemy works as
the principle of common enemy for both sides. So the
Muslims are more than happy to play the game, just
like they played the game in Iran in the late
nineteen seventies to establish the the Shia regime that has
been in power ever since. The President Trump is now
trying to dismantle. So they're more than willing to make
(28:27):
frenemies with each other. It's explicitly coded in the communist
manifesto as a means of opportunism, and the radical Muslims
see the same exact means of opportunism. And they've been
working together closely for a long time to take down America,
take down the West.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
Well, in nineteen seventy nine in Iran, how'd things go
for those college educated, dewey eyed young Marxists who helped
the Iatola come back?
Speaker 4 (28:54):
Maybe we should ask them, Oh wait, we can't. They
killed all of them. Oh yeah, it didn't work out,
that's right. And the only interesting question about the entire thing,
because the Islamists, the Shia killed them all, all the Leftists,
all the Communists that helped, is whether or not the
Soviet Union let it happen in kind of a conspiracy
theory way, because it would be more advantageous to their
(29:15):
interests not to have another communist state arise and to
let the Molas run things to their own benefit without
it being explicitly communists. It's the only question. But the Communists,
whether they were sacrificed by their own headquarters in Moscow
or whether they were just the end result of the
Molas taking over, are all dead or got kicked out
(29:37):
if they were able to flee for their lives but
they were completely put down.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
We're talking to author James Lindsay and James, I know
your time is limited, so just one or two more
quick questions, and again this is you know, through the
lens of orwell, but why is it so important that
these folks infiltrated the schools number one and are teaching
American history in the way they're teaching it.
Speaker 4 (30:01):
Well, you know, it's very interesting because normally when you
go to give an answer about communists, you stick to
the communists, and you can talk about Lenin saying, you know,
if he's given the youth for a few years, you'll
plant the seed so deep you'll never uproot it. But
the best answer actually comes from a national socialist, namely
the national socialist that Off Hitler. A lot of people
don't know he wrote a book in nineteen twenty eight
(30:22):
after mindkomf. It never got published. It's literally called I'm
Not Joking my Secret Book. And in his secret book
he actually has a chapter where he explains that the
older population will never go for this radical proposal of
national socialism the way he's laying it out, and then
he says, in the last few words of that particular chapter,
(30:42):
but what we can do is that we can get
the youth. We can convince young people that this is
the way the world is supposed to be. We can
convince young people that this is the ideology. Even if
we can't get the old people in the next generation
coming up will displace the generations that came before. And
so this strategy of the theory in communism is called socialization.
(31:03):
They believe everybody learns how to be who they are
through a social process. There's no there's no genetic component
or anything. You socialize people to be how they are.
So our society socializes them to be capitalists who believe
in freedom, and that's a huge problem. But if we
had a socialist system, it would socialize people to be socialist.
(31:23):
So what you do. The easiest people to socialize are children.
You take the children, You get control of the schools,
you get control of the curriculum, you get control of
the young people's minds, and raise them to believe that
they were brought up in the wrong kind of society,
with the wrong kind of values, with the wrong kind
of parents, with the wrong kind of faith in church.
And you get them to turn against that society by
showing them how rotten and evil and unfair and unjust
(31:45):
it was, even though it traumatizes them. That's actually to
the advantage of the leftist educator because that trauma can
be used to restructure their value system. It's actually called
borrowing off of Nietzsche a transvaluation of values, which is
written about in the leftist literature as well. So you
go after the young people because it works because older
(32:07):
people have roots, have understanding, have wisdom and won't take it,
but the younger people don't. So they steal people's children
on purpose as a strategic way to overthrow the existing society.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
James Lindsay's Fabulous Book with Helen Fluckrose is cynical theories.
James also a great follow on Twitter or whatever social
media you like. James, we sure appreciate the time you
spent today and if there's anything we can ever do
to help you, please let us know that we're serious
about this. It's a huge fight and it's really important.
So thanks a Millian, keep up the good work.
Speaker 4 (32:40):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
Oh absolutely, yeah, James Lindsay. Everybody, wow, wow, wow. More Toicum.
Let's get right into it. The freedom loving quote of
the day, continuing our series from the Kita Khrushchev, one
of the most critical figures in communism in the twentieth century,
(33:07):
guided the Soviet Union well, so to speak, in the
middle part of the century. I can prophesy that your
grandchildren in America will live under socialism. Our firm conviction
is that sooner or later, capitalism will give way to socialism.
Whether you like it or not, History is on our side.
We will bury you. He was kind enough to say
(33:29):
out loud what their strategy was, and a lot of young,
dope Americans are embracing it, but thinking they're so smart
and innovative they will guide socialism and state control to
a utopian outcome and not end up like it always
ends up. Ah youth, It's wonderful, isn't it. Mailbag drops note.
(33:52):
Mail Bag at Armstrong and Geddy dot com got this
note from Tom, the former submariner. I've been listening daily
for two plus DECs case. Thanks Tom, Gosh. I wanted
to you to know that I recognize how difficult your
job must be when done solo. Passed this on to
Jack as well. Doing what you do as a team
five days a week must be challenging. It is fairly,
but going solo has got to be a mindbender. It
isn't Oh, And then he says you're a season pro, Joe, Eddy,
(34:15):
and so's Jack. All right, First of all, thank you
for the note. You know, anytime one of us does
the show solo, we get lovely expressions like this, But
then there's inevitably and we appreciate it because it is
It's like going from doubles tennis to singles tennis, and
we appreciate them, but inevitably we'll get a couple of notes.
We got one today saying, you know, Joe, when Jack
(34:37):
was on during our four I just I got to
tell you I think the show is better when both
of you are on, and I always roll my eyes
and laugh at them. Why do you think we've been
doing a show together for twenty eight years? Well, if
you include our music radio days misery, it's like thirty
(34:58):
five years.
Speaker 2 (34:59):
We know.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
Oh oh boy, I've always so amused by that. Okay,
moving along, Kevin the Texas Texas Marine with a thought
about the book you mentioned. Wednesday's Third Hour is a
book about radicalism that is in favor of political violence
that L. Sied Is recommended ten times on his podcast.
(35:23):
It's one of his favorite books. Kevin the Texas Marine says, well,
a voracious reader, a reader, I will never read this
particular book, mainly because I don't want to give these
authors any money. You mentioned that they are against the
state because the state is violent. It isn't what communists
want is more the state. In fact, the state is
in charge of everything. Oh wait, they want the state
(35:43):
they agree with, then the violence is okay and widespread
and state sanctioned. Well, the left is nothing if they
aren't hypocrites. It's absolutely true. Similar topic aj from the
People's Public of the Lehoe, California Rights Dear vern vern
Is Jack I think doesn't. If Jack wanted to be
known as Verne, you wanted the nickname Verne Michael. Yeah.
(36:05):
AOC's comment about Francesca Hong saying Woke one was crazy
was a veiled way to say those who stick blindly
to yesterday's party line are too dumb to succeed. I
think you're absolutely right. AJ is a great point. Rather
than being in denial that she herself once spouted that nonsense,
AOC's comment was more lament that there are those who
(36:27):
can't keep current with today's accepted party line A La
Mao's China Ca, CWTJ keep current with today's jargon. AJ,
that's an absolutely excellent point. And that's what I was
talking about before before. Yeah, there's gonna be a woke
two point zero, three point zero. They're just adapting strategies.
These people want to overthrow Western civilization. If you missed
(36:47):
my interview with James Lindsay yesterday, it's available on the
Armstrong and Getty on demand podcast. It's kind of highlighted.
It's easy to find. Let's see. Skipper McHale writes, hag
Seth's the cat guy. Not's a early in my military career.
We had a deputy commander of Special Ops Command, South Navy,
Captain Seal Guy looked a lot like Hegzeth. He kept cats,
(37:09):
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One day he said, Champlain, do you know why I
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