September 13, 2024 • 36 mins
In hour 2 of The Armstrong & Getty Show
- Retirement, finances & how much $$ you must have to be "wealthy"
- Jack's a misogynist
- We were robbed of our time during the debate
- Tua Tagovailoa suffers another concussion
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George
Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Armstrong and Jetty and he Armstrong and Yetty.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Or the exit polls. So people are walking out and
they're saying, you know, I would like to know something, sir,
who'd you vote for?
Speaker 2 (00:33):
And that's say Cricket, Hillary or Trump?
Speaker 1 (00:36):
Right, But so many of them, like almost fifty percent,
said none of your business who we voted for. They
have a tougher word, two words, not like Biden one
word and then he gives to two words. They begin
with the letters F you. That's what they say to
the purple F you. I would never say. Because we
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have a lot of young people here, what is thet
they've gotten.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Younger and younger? Do you notice that younger?
Speaker 3 (01:07):
Oh man, that's something I can almost enjoy that.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
He's a heated a rally yesterday, and the big headline
out of it is his proposal of no taxes, no
income taxes on people when they work over time, so
once you go past forty hours, the taxes drop off.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
That's his proposal. So he's done the no taxes on tips.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
There's another one in there and then this no taxes
passed forty hours as our populism march continues, and we'll
see how Kamala Harris responds to that, maybe with the
same policy. Tell you what if she says no taxes
for the left handed, she has my vote. We're an
oppressed minority, misunderstood, mocked other, kicked other.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Exactly right, Thank you.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
We've been othered. You cannot get me to talk politics, okay,
cannot drag me into I do want to get into
almost went there. I do want to get to later.
I've been following Crumbs the Cat. Have you been following
the story this week of Crumbs the cat? Crumbs the
thirty eight pound cat? No?
Speaker 2 (02:07):
And how Crumbs is at fat camp?
Speaker 3 (02:08):
Now? Oh yeah, I've been following the saga from the beginning.
That's a bf Oh yeah. Now it's at fat camp,
but it's not doing well. But more on that later.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
Also coming up a look in the China Cabinet and
my favorite headline of the day, Arizona resident finds lego
piece stuck up their nose after three decades.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Whoa stuck up their nose?
Speaker 4 (02:31):
Is that a freaking I'm sorry, some sort of queer, transgender,
non binary garbage to dude.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
Thirty years with a lego up your nose. Yeah okay,
And I got accused on the text line and misogyny
and they're right.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
So I have to get to that stay tuned.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
Wow, okay, excellent. So a quick metal game here. How
much money do you need to be considered?
Speaker 2 (02:56):
What term do they use? Wealthy?
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Like your net worth? How much would you have to
have in the bank to be wealthy? Now, trouble with
these questions, as we always point out, is where do
I live? Where I live currently? If I'm going to
stay here, it's a pretty big number. If I'm where
my brother lives, it's a much much smaller number to
have a perfectly happy life.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
So you are both absolutely correct and a fun suck.
All right, Let's specify.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
You are in a.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
Third quintile cost of living part of America, so you're
like a above average but not San Francis. So the
question is, and I'll stop being a fun suck, So
what's the number? What's the number that makes you wealthy
for your net worth?
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (03:54):
Yeah, So anyway, we'll come back to that in a minute.
A couple of stories about financing money and retirement, that
sort of thing, getting away from politics at least for
a little while.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
I thought it was interesting.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
And though we are both gen Xers, at the older
end of gen Xers, and I've been aware of this,
I hadn't ever really thought about it. The generation was
the first generation to see a massive shift in how
Americans work and save for retirement. Companies moved from pensions
that promise steady income after years of service, the goldwatch
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at the retirement you worked for one or two companies
your entire career. Dad did to a much much more
mobile feel of employment, and four O one k's becoming
your retirement savings method and it's in your own hands.
And in fact, there are some of the financial services
industry that call gen X. I think it's the four
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to one K experiment generation.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
I think it's interesting they call it an experiment, which
insinuates that they think it might not work or be
a good idea.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Is that what they're insinuating? I suppose.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
So I've never seen it as an experiment. It always
just seemed like such solidly a good idea.
Speaker 4 (05:09):
Right, But you've got to admit, because you know some people,
whether they're lower education or they're you know, they're just busy,
or don't have the interest in following politics and finance.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
They got into four oh one k's very very late.
Speaker 4 (05:25):
Or didn't appreciate the importance of starting early, compound interests, etc.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
It's a really good program in a lot of ways,
but you have to opt in.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
I've been hammering my kids on that since they were
too young to have the slightest idea what it even means.
Just so it's in their head somewhere. Start putting in
the max of your four oh one K the first
time you get one. I don't care if you have
to eat cats like you're a Haitian immigrant. Put your
money in your four oh one k. Change your life.
Yeah yeah, So, as an individualist, I have zero problem
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with me being in charge of my retirement.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
No.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
In fact, I wish George W. Had been successful in
privatizing social security. Everybody listening would be a good deal.
Ridger now where they are come retirement.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
We all know what the punchline to this is.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
Though, somebody that decides not to put into their four
oh one K or the George W. Bush style private retirement,
they get to old age and don't have any money,
and it's presented as they don't have a dignified retirement
and we need to have a program for that. Oh absolutely,
we need your tax dollars, including you being taxed on
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the very Social Security money that the government did.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
In a paltry and hilarious way pile up for you.
They don't pile it up current workers. It's in a
lock box, and it's not in a lock box. That's
a blasting twenty four years ago.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
But I enjoyed it.
Speaker 4 (06:52):
Ah, right, So we could labor those points, but I
think we're all kind of up on it. I loved
this article in the Wall Street Journal. I loved to
hate it. They're breaking every retirement rule to be off now,
not later. Some workers want to spread retirement throughout their careers,
even if it means a smaller four to zho one
k oh boy. And they profile this cute girl and
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her cute boyfriend and how they're taking years off of
work and like spending down their savings.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
To retire now. And they say, even if I don't
have as much money when I retire, this is totally
worth it. Oh my god.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
See if you're if this is the problem with the
libert straight libertarian point of view. And so I'm a
straight libertarian. Good, good for you, you moron, do it.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Go ahead. But if I'm a realist slash conservative, I.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
Realize when they don't have any money when they're older,
you're going to take a bunch of my tax money
or raise my taxes to help them out. I know
that's what's gonna happen.
Speaker 4 (07:54):
Well, and these these sexy thirty one year old say,
oh no, it's totally worth it to go hike here
in the Alps.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
And if I have less money as an oldster, it'll
be great.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
The idea that the Wall Street Journal didn't throw in
a paragraph saying, now, obviously they have no idea what
they're talking about. And there could be nothing more ridiculous
than a thirty one year old saying the Thrills at
age thirty one are quote unquote worth being paupers as
old people. Right, that's so stupid, it's almost hilarious. Let's
take a moment to laugh before they get back to
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the text of the article. But, as Jack has pointed out,
embittering the entire conversation when they do hit their golden
years and are forced to eat cat carcasses, we will
be paying for them moving along.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
God, dang it, I know a bunch of people living
like that. I know people living like that right now,
and I think I'm fine again. I don't care what
you do with your money, but I know how things
work in the real world. And you're gonna be voting
for parties that say you don't have enough when you
spent your money on traveling around Europe as a twenty
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six year.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Old, right, yeah, yep, that's why I hate humanity anyway.
There's so many times I've traveled around Europe when I
was twenty six zero. I don't even hit my current age.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
Why because I'm saving my money and I don't want
you to get it because you think it'd be super
cool to travel around the world.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
God, that pisses me off.
Speaker 4 (09:29):
Well, it's not like if you subsidize or reward bad
behavior you get more of it or anything, he says, sarcastically,
shaking his head sadly and wanting nothing more than to
vanish into the woods and leave humanity behind.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Finally, this.
Speaker 4 (09:45):
According to a major modern wealth survey by Charles Schwab.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
Dot What is It?
Speaker 4 (09:52):
They asked Americans what average networth it takes to be
wealthy with the caveat that. Well, actually they mentioned that
when it comes to geographic regions, California has the highest
threshold of what it takes to be wealthy. Of course,
and I'll tell you all Americans say it's two point
five million dollars net worth, you are wealthy.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
On average concascination, it's two and a half million. It's
higher than I would have guessed.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Well, San Franciscans say it takes four point four million.
To your point, I don't blame them, given the cost
of a house or rent or whatever.
Speaker 4 (10:26):
And Southern cal Unicornians indicated it takes an average networth
of three point four million. Survey respondents who lived in Atlanta, Chicago, Houston, Phoenix,
in Dallas expressed lower numbers, of course, which is why
any national figure, like for income tax, for instance, is
utterly unfair and ridiculous. Having said that, I suppose you
if you don't like where you are and your taxes
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and your wealth, and that you could move.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
So I just should like to point out for all
you who don't live in California, it is really expensive
to live here.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
But what you get for what you pay is a
kick in the groin.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
All Americans say you have to have two point five
million to be wealthy, to be financially comfortable, seven hundred
and seventy eight thousand.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Dollars net worth. Yeah again, depending on where you live.
Good luck with that in San Francisco. Yeah, yeah, well,
get the hell out.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
Boomers say you need two point eight million dollars or
seven hundred and eighty thousand dollars to be financially comfortable.
Speaker 4 (11:28):
Not surprisingly. Now this is interesting. Jen X says you
need two point seven million. Wh's right there in the number.
But they say to be financially comfortable, you need eight
hundred and seventy three thousand dollars, which is almost one
hundred thousand more than boomers and all Americans.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
The biggest wild the biggest wild card that nobody factors
in until they start to get older is healthcare costs. Yeah,
because you have have had zero Your healthcare costs every
year are almost none when you're thirty five, as I
remember it. But until the bridge you're taking, Yeah, until
it's like, holy crap, this is going to ruin me
in a couple of decades.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Yeah, which is one of the things that I'm glad
you threw that in.
Speaker 4 (12:06):
As I'm looking at those healthy thirty one year olds
hiking about Europe.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
It comes for all of us.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
I don't know how much I would have to have
to be like completely confident everything will be fine because
you know.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
The right health problem comes along or long term care.
Kurb Blewie. I don't mean to freak anybody out, but.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
Well, and in a world where a lot of people
who have kids have one who's got a variety of
problems because who knows why that's happening. That's an expense too,
you weren't planning on when you were hiking at age thirty. Well, finally,
though they're optimistic about their future wealth, respondents acknowledge that
there's more that they can do. With fewer than one
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in five saying they're currently on top of their finances,
eighteen percent say yeah, I'm doing what I'm supposed to
be doing and doing it systematically. Whoa again to your
bitter point, old bitter Jack. You know what's fun on
a Friday talking to bitter Jack. Hey, bitter Jack, come
bull up a bar stool, ruin our day for us.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
I'm here for you, doing Jack.
Speaker 4 (13:10):
I'm good now, but I could be decimated by future
health problems. Oh who invited bitter Jack?
Speaker 3 (13:18):
Oh my god?
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Stay with us.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
Well, guys, Halloween season has begun and tomorrow is Friday
the thirteenth.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
Yeah, if you're worried about bad luck, don't be because according.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
To Trump, people at Ohio are eating all the black cats.
All the cats are being eaten.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
The comment that launched a thousand memes, I would say,
and something tells me it's going to be around for
a while. Friday the thirteenth, it escaped me. Today is
a Friday the thirteenth, I guess because I'm not.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
A child present. The year fourteen.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
Headline from the New York Post that got my attention.
I mock regularly the New York Post, and it bothers me. Actually,
they they said I was too hot to be a
substitute teacher or whatever, and then it's obviously to get
you to click on and see how hot she is,
that sort of thing.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
But this one gets my attention.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
I've clicked on them all week long because there's been
an update every single day. Thirty eight pound rescue cat
Crumbs gets stuck in shoe rack while trying to escape
from fat Camp. Wow, there's a lot there following the
travails of the thirty eight pound rescue cat that they
somebody adopted because it had been overfed and gotten too
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fat and felt bad for it, and they've sent it
to fat Camp to try to get it in the
matter shape and the pictures are quite funny. But FT
fat Camp, Yeah, good for you having that sort of
expendable income. I wanted to mention the misogyny that I
think I actually participated in. I don't know how else
to explain this, so last hour we played well, I'll
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juxtapose these things, and it might be pretty obvious to you.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
It wasn't obvious to me.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
Came out of the commercials and I said, hey, good news,
in a mocking tone, which I'm known for, Hey good news.
Caitlin Clark, the WNBA star, says she's not going to
endorse a candidate, but everyone should make their own decision,
and I mocked that, like, who would give a crap?
Speaker 2 (15:28):
Then we played the clip of Patrick.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
Mahomes basically saying the same thing and praised him for
his wisdom. I can't figure out why I thought the
one was mockable and the one was praiseworthy other than
misogyny or I mean, I don't think I'm a misogynist,
but why did I immediately think it was ridiculous that
anybody's paying attention to Katelin Clark's saying that, but commented
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on Patrick Mahomes like it seemed like a wise gesture.
Speaker 4 (15:57):
Yea, an ah, interesting, Katie, you have a comment. I
was just gonna say. Pat shared his reasoning and it was,
you know, persuasive. She's right, Yeah, she's doing exactly the
same thing though, so she is.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
But Caitlin Clark WNBA much smaller scale than Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 4 (16:19):
True, and the other thing, With all due respect to
ms Clark in her incredible skill and toughness, Patrick Mahomes
is in the position where, because of the Travis Kelsey
Taylor Swift thing and the Swift endorsing Harris and all
that crap, all of a sudden you got the media
surrounding Patrick Mahomes and saying do you agree with Patrick
Kelsey's girlfriend?
Speaker 2 (16:40):
And he has to say, look, leave me alone. I'm
not going to talk about this.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
Yeah, I guess it's Caitlin Clark is huge among women
and just a sports figure and kind of in the
Taylor Swift vein of things. So I don't know, I
shouldn't have mocked one and praised the other that day.
It doesn't really make any sense. So clearly, clearly you
have a heart full of hate. You're making a you
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don't believe this, Katie space in my head, this is
a stretch, Jack, Okay, I just feel like.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
A bad person. Maybe I've got other reasons as to
yourself armstrong.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
And I remember NBC and that stupid ABC that did
this horrible debate. Those two people should be fired as
an anchor a couple of more years.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
He'll be fired. And she was nasty, she looked at
me with hatred in her eyes. And him he's a
nice guy. I mean they were told to do it.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
By George slap Adopolis's.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
Who's in the group, all right, George slap Adops. Oh
my god.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
Uh, I didn't become clear that that passed a very
limited certain point. Is not running for president those rallies,
That's not what he's doing. I want to get into
that in a moment, and some.
Speaker 4 (18:10):
Powal forwards written by a democratic operative's who's super heavyweight
in that world. But first I have considered Jack's misogyny
or not conundrum, and with my solemnic wisdom, having considered
the question for roughly six minutes, I will declare you
innocent for reasons that I think are interesting.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
As I noodled this through.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
As I mocked Caitlin Clark but praised Patrick Mahomes for
basically having the same stance right on the election, and
again I think why you've been let off the hook
by me is somewhat interesting.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
It's interesting to me anyway, only God the way you
judge me. But I'm still interested in europeon fair point.
Speaker 4 (18:52):
So it all has to do with the way it
was presented to us, and then the way we passed
it on the way it came to us is out
of nowhere, apropos of nothing. Caitlin Clark is announcing that
I will not be endorsing either candidate, and our reaction
is who asked you? And I have nothing negative to
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say about Ms Clark and again her incredible abilities, character, toughness,
et cetera.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
She's a model for young girls and boys for that matter.
Off sure that did you see that?
Speaker 3 (19:25):
They she got him into the playoffs after that, like
one in nineteen starter unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
It is unbelievable. She's a monster talent.
Speaker 4 (19:34):
Anyway, the way it was presented to us as consumers
of information, on the other hand, was that because of
the Taylor Swift Travis Kelty's thing, people are hounding Patrick
Mahomes for what do you think about the election? And
he was obviously irresponding to pressure that surrounds him and
was forced as a young athlete into making a declaration,
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and so it seemed much more appropriate that he would
speak out. That's not necessarily what happened, For I know
Caitlin Clark has been under unrelenting pressure to take a
stance one way or the other in her very feminist,
very lesbian the sports league, and.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
So the way the information came to us prejudiced are.
Speaker 4 (20:15):
View of the people speaking and their motives and how
important it was they spoke out. And for that, I apologize,
but also am intrigued at what that means about.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
How we take in information. So I'm not a bad person.
Speaker 4 (20:29):
I'm probably overthinking, Oh, you're a bad person for a
lot of reasons, but not that one. So moving along,
he says, after a prolonged distraction to the question of
the debate and politics and that sort of thing, the utter, miserable,
unforgivable failure of the moderators coming in a moment, according
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to like Everybody, Peggy Noon and the Fabulous Peggy Noon
and writing an article in the Wall Street Journal touches
on some of the obvious points that others had beaten
her too, because she only turns out to think one
column a week, but that Kamala quote unquote one but
with shallow as hell and didn't really say anything. And
then she pointed out the incapacity of mister Trump. He
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couldn't prosecute his case because the sentence has collapsed. He
leaves words out. He'll refer to he and them, but
you're not here. He's talking about his mind is pinballing
too much. He's been This is the sentence that was
brought to mind by the audio he came back with.
He's been spoiled by his safe space, his rallies, where
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his weird free associations amuse the crowd, and his non
sequiturs are applauded as authenticity. That doesn't work on a
debate stage. And it's strange he doesn't know this. Everybody
understands his shorthand and his catchphrases and buzzwords. At those rallies,
he can just briefly, like you know, a sentence fragment,
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say something about oh, Russia, Russia, Russia and everything.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
But on the debate stage, people are like, what the
hell is he talking about.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
So in is rally crowd, he can say in Aurora, Colorado,
you saw that, and everybody will know what he's talking
about because they take in the same media about the
Venezuelan and gang as in the apartment complex. But on
the debate stage, for most of America, there's lots of
people that don't know what it is. You can't just
say Aurora like he did and move on.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
Right exactly. And I was gonna there was one more.
Where is that? Can I find it? I was going
through windows and closing them earlier. Yeah, here it is.
Speaker 4 (22:35):
This is from I think the Free Press, Yeah, Oliver Wiseman,
the Free Press. But it was written on Monday, and
I quote with the all important presidential debate between Harrison
Trump just to day away the vice president's hunker down Pittsburgh,
preparing for the showdown, making the occasional run blah blah,
Donald Trump's camp meanwhile, says he doesn't need to do
much prep. He uses dozens of unscripted interviews and can
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stand with reporters unscripted for hours at a time. He
doesn't need staff cheat codes to go into a debate,
they said on Monday.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
So that was the feeling in the Trump plant.
Speaker 3 (23:09):
You know, there was a pull away shot during the
debate where you could see his notepad and it he
clearly didn't write anything down. Calmly came out and wrote
some things down. That weird rule they have in debates,
which I just don't quite understand that you're not allowed
to bring notes. You know, as the president of the
United States or a CEO or whatever, you could carry
around some notes with you all the time, Yeah, to
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help you make decisions really any adult activity except maybe
taking the bar exam. I mean the idea that you
show you're keeping in your head before you walk out
on stage. Inflation, immigration, and blah blah blah, whatever it
does you think debate, and then you walk out there
and write them down. It's somehow different than if you
had carried them out there in the notes. Weird rule,
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But anyway, she wrote some stuff down. He did not, dude,
maybe you should. Maybe you should have walked out there
and written down immigration and and whatever else you think
was important, so you could glance down whenever you're.
Speaker 4 (24:06):
Yeah, really frustrating anyway, having cleared that deck, onto the
utter horror of the moderators. Piece written once again for
The Wall Street Journal, but by Mark Penn and Andrew Stein.
Pen a long time polster and advisor to the Clintons,
and Stein was New York City Council president for years
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and years in the eighties and nineties, both the men
of the left.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
Mark Penn did the debate prep for Bill Clinton both
times and Hillary Clinton. He knows something about big time
presidential debate, and he's a Democrat and he's a partisan,
and he's pissed me off a million times.
Speaker 4 (24:44):
And then even he says this, Yeah. So first of all,
he throws a sentence or two about the debate. We've
gone over that more than once. But then he says,
they say, but as we reviewed the video and compared notes,
we became concerned about the role of ABC News and
what it did to our democracy. The moderators, who were
supposed to be neutral referees, had decided in advance that
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they were going to fact check Trump, but not miss Harris.
She enlisted every charge ever leveled against mister Trump, regardless
of the truth. That included, to name a few, the
false claims that he favored a national abortion ban and
opposes in vitro fertilization, that he called neo Nazis in Charlottesville,
Virginia very fine people, and that he threatened.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
A bloodbath if he loses the election. Each is untrue.
Speaker 4 (25:31):
Mister Trump has made cleary opposes a national abortion ban,
he favors idef and has even said the government should
pay for it. He condemned the Charlottesville neo Nazis, and
he predicted a financial blood bath for the auto industry
if he loses and the Biden Harris electric vehicle mandates progress.
This is amazing that a old school democratic operative is
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writing this.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
It's just incredible.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
That shows you how different our political culture is today
from couple of decades ago.
Speaker 5 (26:01):
Right.
Speaker 4 (26:02):
And among the many themes I often drown on about,
one is that you have to when you're shaping public policy,
for instance, not just look at it an inch deep.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
You've got to ask yourself what effect will this policy have?
Speaker 4 (26:16):
How will this change human beings behavior, then how will
that effect change what other human beings do. You've got
to try to understand the chain of reaction that happens
when you alter the law or the finances of the nation,
or incentives and disincentives for people to work or follow
the law, for instance. You've got to look at effects
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and after effects. And that's what Penn and Stein do.
I think really well, here, had the moderators turned to
miss Harris after these lies and said that has been debunked,
we might be having a totally different conversation about the
debate given to how she tends to react when challenged. True,
so they're looking beyond the making unfair calls and wrong calls.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
But how would you know what do they call it?
An alternate history? Yeah, excellent point.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
How she might have gotten so flustered and been off
her game if David Mihir had said, to be fair
to the audience, the comments about bloodbath were not about violence,
They were about the economic and history. Three of the
things you just said are not true. Who knows how
she would have reacted to that.
Speaker 4 (27:22):
As the gentleman, right, we would be saying she was
having a good night until she couldn't help herself and
went too far. Mister Trump would have been freed from
having to spend so much time defending himself against false charges,
and the country would have gotten to hear more of
his plans for America. Partly because Trump, like a child,
finds it completely impossible to just laugh off a false
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charge and go to his talking points. He can't do it,
and they and the Harris Camp knows it. Think back
to the Trump day Biden debate in June, in which
the CNN moderators exemplified fairness.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
Had they spent time correcting mister.
Speaker 4 (27:55):
Trump while letting his opponent off the hook as ABC
did this or the result might not have been as
lopsided and Joe Biden still might be the nominee. But
CNN did its job fairly in the public got a
meaningful read on the two candidates. When referees put their
thumbs on the scale, the game changes. The results have
to be thrown out. We are robbed of our time
and democracy is drained of its meaning. A presidential debate
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shouldn't be a staged wrestling match. It should feature two
candidates on a level playing field so voters can make
up their minds free of interference. Anything less makes a
mockery of our institutions. Man, they are bringing the thunder.
ABC should have fact checked both candidates are neither fact checking.
Only one was the worst possible decision. Even a Democrat
(28:38):
can tell a whopper. Time and time again, we find
that supposedly neutral democratic institutions have been corrupted by bias.
Debate moderators must check their biases and seek to be
scrupulously fair, or they shouldn't do the job. They should
observe strict rules and come from a variety of networks.
Most important, they shouldn't interfere, but rather trust voters to
make their own decisions.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
ABC undermined the system for everyone in the Wall Street Journal.
I wish it'd have been in the New York Times
or Washington Post. I wonder if they shopped it to
either one of those and got turned down.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
I would like to know that.
Speaker 4 (29:10):
Wow, well, it wouldn't shock me. But if if the
New York Times turned down Mark Penn and.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
What's Bill Stein, whatever his name is, mister Stein, no
disrespect sir?
Speaker 4 (29:22):
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Speaker 3 (30:46):
I hope I don't ever get so disingenuous or phony
about politics that if I had watched a debate where
the reverse happened, that I would have ignored it. Where
if they would have just hammered the Democrat with fact
many of them wrong, and then then let our guy
your girls spout nonsense and then pretended that didn't happen.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
I don't know how you do that.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
I'm looking at our audio sheet, which which the crew
does a brilliant job of preparing every day.
Speaker 4 (31:16):
I mean, seriously, we have a great team. There's a
fair amount of ABCO Nightly News or whatever they call
it in America ABC Tonight. I don't want to hear
David Muir's voice on our air, I really.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
Don't just banned David Muir.
Speaker 4 (31:32):
I might I ball up my fists and I want
to throw Haymaker blows when I hear his greasy voice.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
Did you hear Trump commenting on his hair, David Muir's
hair that was part of his yesterday that, oh.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
My god, we got a lot more on the way
stay with us?
Speaker 5 (31:50):
Shot by twenty one points, fourth and four, pressure to
a step, so up is going to run for first
down and it takes a shot at the sixth short line,
haml and hit him and tow it down, picked up
the first split the scene. That pays the price, boy.
Speaker 3 (32:15):
That's something the way we talk about football. And I
mean I'm not anti or anything, but the way Tory
boy pays the price with maybe a life changing concussion.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
But the price is brain injury. Yeah, the price is
brain injury.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
It's not like paid the price by that's gonna hurt
your chances of winning, Well, it will, but it's not
only that might hurt your chances of living the rest
of your life in any enjoyable way. One of the
star players the NFL got a bad concussion. It might
be out for a long time.
Speaker 4 (32:45):
He's got a history of a couple of hum dingers
too that kept him out for a long time, and
they add up right, or should have.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
That's the way the concussion thing worked. You get several
and then you don't want another one.
Speaker 4 (32:56):
Right, Yeah, which is why I wear a helmet when Ivice,
for instance, stelbl.
Speaker 3 (33:02):
I have hit my head more in the last three days,
and I think I have cumulative in the last twenty years.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
I don't know what's going on. Lamps, cupboard doors that
are open, I don't know what's going on. I just
keep hitting my head. It's getting old. I might start
running home. I'm just walking around.
Speaker 4 (33:17):
That's probably a good idea, do you mean, like chandeliers
and that sort of thing, or just house your head
on a lamp.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
This new house I moved into has got well it's
so you're supposed to have the kitchen table in there,
but I'm not.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
I don't live a kitchen.
Speaker 4 (33:28):
Table, old missing table, chandelier to the head, gah, I've
done it many times.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
So we've got that as kind of like the living
room where we're watching TV.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
But every time I stand up from the couch, I
hit my head on the lamp, and you know, one
could ask how many times will you do that before
you either remove the lamp or put something underneath it,
or or change it somehow so you don't just continually
bash yourself.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
In that head.
Speaker 4 (33:50):
If say, remove our dining room table to clean the
floors or something in there, there's a roughly one hundred
percent chance I will walk into that light of fixture
during the time the table is removed.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
And here's the problem. Every time I hit my head
on it, I get a little dumber.
Speaker 3 (34:05):
So the likelihood that I can solve the problem goes down,
as I'm now dumber than I was before I hit
my head.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
Wow, a tragic ironic development saw this.
Speaker 3 (34:18):
The FDA has approved Apple AirPods Pro two to be
used as hearing aids. Not exactly sure how that works.
Is there a different app or something you can do
to turn those into his skids?
Speaker 2 (34:31):
There must be.
Speaker 3 (34:33):
That's got to be good news for Apple, as they
had their new products can the other day, But now
Apple switched over.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
That's a fellow like.
Speaker 4 (34:39):
Myself who's aging a bit. Maybe the hearing is going
a little bit. I look not old, I look.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
Like I'm rocking out right exactly. That's helpful.
Speaker 3 (34:49):
You're absolutely right because the hearing aid, you know, is
a is a definer of your generation sort of. Look,
you got the the apple things in Oh. I'm just
super into the hip hop, don't you know.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
Now.
Speaker 4 (35:04):
I've always gone with the big horn in my ear
because I'm old school.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
But you know, you do you folks.
Speaker 3 (35:10):
I don't want to get into politics again, but pretty
clever move by Kamala Harris to start rocking the EarPods
or headphones all the time like she's an athlete or
whatever getting out of the bus so that she doesn't
have to answer questions. Pretty clever because it kind of
makes you cool and hip because that's all young people.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
Oh my god, I fight my son on this all
the time. Dude, take that out of your ear, all right,
I can't talk to you. I talked to him all
the time, Hey can we do this?
Speaker 3 (35:36):
Or you want to do that? Or can you help
me with this? Or can you open the door? And
I get no response. I look at him, he's got
the things in his ears. Young people seem to need
to have music going in their ears constantly, like a
free waking moment.
Speaker 4 (35:51):
Yeah, it's so interesting. Does he have any policies or ideas?
Because she doesn't. That's why she wears the earbuds constantly.
Speaker 3 (36:01):
I got something super heavy I want to do on
a Friday, but I think it's necessary around the whole
lies at the debate the other night, specifically the fact
check on late term abortion.
Speaker 4 (36:12):
We'll look inside the China cabinet next hour as well
some really interesting stories. If you can't get Next Hour,
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Speaker 2 (00:10):
Armstrong and Jetty and he Armstrong and Yetty.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Or the exit polls. So people are walking out and
they're saying, you know, I would like to know something, sir,
who'd you vote for?
Speaker 2 (00:33):
And that's say Cricket, Hillary or Trump?
Speaker 1 (00:36):
Right, But so many of them, like almost fifty percent,
said none of your business who we voted for. They
have a tougher word, two words, not like Biden one
word and then he gives to two words. They begin
with the letters F you. That's what they say to
the purple F you. I would never say. Because we
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have a lot of young people here, what is thet
they've gotten.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Younger and younger? Do you notice that younger?
Speaker 3 (01:07):
Oh man, that's something I can almost enjoy that.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
He's a heated a rally yesterday, and the big headline
out of it is his proposal of no taxes, no
income taxes on people when they work over time, so
once you go past forty hours, the taxes drop off.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
That's his proposal. So he's done the no taxes on tips.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
There's another one in there and then this no taxes
passed forty hours as our populism march continues, and we'll
see how Kamala Harris responds to that, maybe with the
same policy. Tell you what if she says no taxes
for the left handed, she has my vote. We're an
oppressed minority, misunderstood, mocked other, kicked other.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Exactly right, Thank you.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
We've been othered. You cannot get me to talk politics, okay,
cannot drag me into I do want to get into
almost went there. I do want to get to later.
I've been following Crumbs the Cat. Have you been following
the story this week of Crumbs the cat? Crumbs the
thirty eight pound cat? No?
Speaker 2 (02:07):
And how Crumbs is at fat camp?
Speaker 3 (02:08):
Now? Oh yeah, I've been following the saga from the beginning.
That's a bf Oh yeah. Now it's at fat camp,
but it's not doing well. But more on that later.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
Also coming up a look in the China Cabinet and
my favorite headline of the day, Arizona resident finds lego
piece stuck up their nose after three decades.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Whoa stuck up their nose?
Speaker 4 (02:31):
Is that a freaking I'm sorry, some sort of queer, transgender,
non binary garbage to dude.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
Thirty years with a lego up your nose. Yeah okay,
And I got accused on the text line and misogyny
and they're right.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
So I have to get to that stay tuned.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
Wow, okay, excellent. So a quick metal game here. How
much money do you need to be considered?
Speaker 2 (02:56):
What term do they use? Wealthy?
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Like your net worth? How much would you have to
have in the bank to be wealthy? Now, trouble with
these questions, as we always point out, is where do
I live? Where I live currently? If I'm going to
stay here, it's a pretty big number. If I'm where
my brother lives, it's a much much smaller number to
have a perfectly happy life.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
So you are both absolutely correct and a fun suck.
All right, Let's specify.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
You are in a.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
Third quintile cost of living part of America, so you're
like a above average but not San Francis. So the
question is, and I'll stop being a fun suck, So
what's the number? What's the number that makes you wealthy
for your net worth?
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (03:54):
Yeah, So anyway, we'll come back to that in a minute.
A couple of stories about financing money and retirement, that
sort of thing, getting away from politics at least for
a little while.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
I thought it was interesting.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
And though we are both gen Xers, at the older
end of gen Xers, and I've been aware of this,
I hadn't ever really thought about it. The generation was
the first generation to see a massive shift in how
Americans work and save for retirement. Companies moved from pensions
that promise steady income after years of service, the goldwatch
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at the retirement you worked for one or two companies
your entire career. Dad did to a much much more
mobile feel of employment, and four O one k's becoming
your retirement savings method and it's in your own hands.
And in fact, there are some of the financial services
industry that call gen X. I think it's the four
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to one K experiment generation.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
I think it's interesting they call it an experiment, which
insinuates that they think it might not work or be
a good idea.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Is that what they're insinuating? I suppose.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
So I've never seen it as an experiment. It always
just seemed like such solidly a good idea.
Speaker 4 (05:09):
Right, But you've got to admit, because you know some people,
whether they're lower education or they're you know, they're just busy,
or don't have the interest in following politics and finance.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
They got into four oh one k's very very late.
Speaker 4 (05:25):
Or didn't appreciate the importance of starting early, compound interests, etc.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
It's a really good program in a lot of ways,
but you have to opt in.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
I've been hammering my kids on that since they were
too young to have the slightest idea what it even means.
Just so it's in their head somewhere. Start putting in
the max of your four oh one K the first
time you get one. I don't care if you have
to eat cats like you're a Haitian immigrant. Put your
money in your four oh one k. Change your life.
Yeah yeah, So, as an individualist, I have zero problem
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with me being in charge of my retirement.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
No.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
In fact, I wish George W. Had been successful in
privatizing social security. Everybody listening would be a good deal.
Ridger now where they are come retirement.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
We all know what the punchline to this is.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
Though, somebody that decides not to put into their four
oh one K or the George W. Bush style private retirement,
they get to old age and don't have any money,
and it's presented as they don't have a dignified retirement
and we need to have a program for that. Oh absolutely,
we need your tax dollars, including you being taxed on
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the very Social Security money that the government did.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
In a paltry and hilarious way pile up for you.
They don't pile it up current workers. It's in a
lock box, and it's not in a lock box. That's
a blasting twenty four years ago.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
But I enjoyed it.
Speaker 4 (06:52):
Ah, right, So we could labor those points, but I
think we're all kind of up on it. I loved
this article in the Wall Street Journal. I loved to
hate it. They're breaking every retirement rule to be off now,
not later. Some workers want to spread retirement throughout their careers,
even if it means a smaller four to zho one
k oh boy. And they profile this cute girl and
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her cute boyfriend and how they're taking years off of
work and like spending down their savings.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
To retire now. And they say, even if I don't
have as much money when I retire, this is totally
worth it. Oh my god.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
See if you're if this is the problem with the
libert straight libertarian point of view. And so I'm a
straight libertarian. Good, good for you, you moron, do it.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Go ahead. But if I'm a realist slash conservative, I.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
Realize when they don't have any money when they're older,
you're going to take a bunch of my tax money
or raise my taxes to help them out. I know
that's what's gonna happen.
Speaker 4 (07:54):
Well, and these these sexy thirty one year old say,
oh no, it's totally worth it to go hike here
in the Alps.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
And if I have less money as an oldster, it'll
be great.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
The idea that the Wall Street Journal didn't throw in
a paragraph saying, now, obviously they have no idea what
they're talking about. And there could be nothing more ridiculous
than a thirty one year old saying the Thrills at
age thirty one are quote unquote worth being paupers as
old people. Right, that's so stupid, it's almost hilarious. Let's
take a moment to laugh before they get back to
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the text of the article. But, as Jack has pointed out,
embittering the entire conversation when they do hit their golden
years and are forced to eat cat carcasses, we will
be paying for them moving along.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
God, dang it, I know a bunch of people living
like that. I know people living like that right now,
and I think I'm fine again. I don't care what
you do with your money, but I know how things
work in the real world. And you're gonna be voting
for parties that say you don't have enough when you
spent your money on traveling around Europe as a twenty
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six year.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Old, right, yeah, yep, that's why I hate humanity anyway.
There's so many times I've traveled around Europe when I
was twenty six zero. I don't even hit my current age.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
Why because I'm saving my money and I don't want
you to get it because you think it'd be super
cool to travel around the world.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
God, that pisses me off.
Speaker 4 (09:29):
Well, it's not like if you subsidize or reward bad
behavior you get more of it or anything, he says, sarcastically,
shaking his head sadly and wanting nothing more than to
vanish into the woods and leave humanity behind.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Finally, this.
Speaker 4 (09:45):
According to a major modern wealth survey by Charles Schwab.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
Dot What is It?
Speaker 4 (09:52):
They asked Americans what average networth it takes to be
wealthy with the caveat that. Well, actually they mentioned that
when it comes to geographic regions, California has the highest
threshold of what it takes to be wealthy. Of course,
and I'll tell you all Americans say it's two point
five million dollars net worth, you are wealthy.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
On average concascination, it's two and a half million. It's
higher than I would have guessed.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Well, San Franciscans say it takes four point four million.
To your point, I don't blame them, given the cost
of a house or rent or whatever.
Speaker 4 (10:26):
And Southern cal Unicornians indicated it takes an average networth
of three point four million. Survey respondents who lived in Atlanta, Chicago, Houston, Phoenix,
in Dallas expressed lower numbers, of course, which is why
any national figure, like for income tax, for instance, is
utterly unfair and ridiculous. Having said that, I suppose you
if you don't like where you are and your taxes
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and your wealth, and that you could move.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
So I just should like to point out for all
you who don't live in California, it is really expensive
to live here.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
But what you get for what you pay is a
kick in the groin.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
All Americans say you have to have two point five
million to be wealthy, to be financially comfortable, seven hundred
and seventy eight thousand.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Dollars net worth. Yeah again, depending on where you live.
Good luck with that in San Francisco. Yeah, yeah, well,
get the hell out.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
Boomers say you need two point eight million dollars or
seven hundred and eighty thousand dollars to be financially comfortable.
Speaker 4 (11:28):
Not surprisingly. Now this is interesting. Jen X says you
need two point seven million. Wh's right there in the number.
But they say to be financially comfortable, you need eight
hundred and seventy three thousand dollars, which is almost one
hundred thousand more than boomers and all Americans.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
The biggest wild the biggest wild card that nobody factors
in until they start to get older is healthcare costs. Yeah,
because you have have had zero Your healthcare costs every
year are almost none when you're thirty five, as I
remember it. But until the bridge you're taking, Yeah, until
it's like, holy crap, this is going to ruin me
in a couple of decades.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Yeah, which is one of the things that I'm glad
you threw that in.
Speaker 4 (12:06):
As I'm looking at those healthy thirty one year olds
hiking about Europe.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
It comes for all of us.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
I don't know how much I would have to have
to be like completely confident everything will be fine because
you know.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
The right health problem comes along or long term care.
Kurb Blewie. I don't mean to freak anybody out, but.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
Well, and in a world where a lot of people
who have kids have one who's got a variety of
problems because who knows why that's happening. That's an expense too,
you weren't planning on when you were hiking at age thirty. Well, finally,
though they're optimistic about their future wealth, respondents acknowledge that
there's more that they can do. With fewer than one
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in five saying they're currently on top of their finances,
eighteen percent say yeah, I'm doing what I'm supposed to
be doing and doing it systematically. Whoa again to your
bitter point, old bitter Jack. You know what's fun on
a Friday talking to bitter Jack. Hey, bitter Jack, come
bull up a bar stool, ruin our day for us.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
I'm here for you, doing Jack.
Speaker 4 (13:10):
I'm good now, but I could be decimated by future
health problems. Oh who invited bitter Jack?
Speaker 3 (13:18):
Oh my god?
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Stay with us.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
Well, guys, Halloween season has begun and tomorrow is Friday
the thirteenth.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
Yeah, if you're worried about bad luck, don't be because according.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
To Trump, people at Ohio are eating all the black cats.
All the cats are being eaten.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
The comment that launched a thousand memes, I would say,
and something tells me it's going to be around for
a while. Friday the thirteenth, it escaped me. Today is
a Friday the thirteenth, I guess because I'm not.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
A child present. The year fourteen.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
Headline from the New York Post that got my attention.
I mock regularly the New York Post, and it bothers me. Actually,
they they said I was too hot to be a
substitute teacher or whatever, and then it's obviously to get
you to click on and see how hot she is,
that sort of thing.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
But this one gets my attention.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
I've clicked on them all week long because there's been
an update every single day. Thirty eight pound rescue cat
Crumbs gets stuck in shoe rack while trying to escape
from fat Camp. Wow, there's a lot there following the
travails of the thirty eight pound rescue cat that they
somebody adopted because it had been overfed and gotten too
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fat and felt bad for it, and they've sent it
to fat Camp to try to get it in the
matter shape and the pictures are quite funny. But FT
fat Camp, Yeah, good for you having that sort of
expendable income. I wanted to mention the misogyny that I
think I actually participated in. I don't know how else
to explain this, so last hour we played well, I'll
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juxtapose these things, and it might be pretty obvious to you.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
It wasn't obvious to me.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
Came out of the commercials and I said, hey, good news,
in a mocking tone, which I'm known for, Hey good news.
Caitlin Clark, the WNBA star, says she's not going to
endorse a candidate, but everyone should make their own decision,
and I mocked that, like, who would give a crap?
Speaker 2 (15:28):
Then we played the clip of Patrick.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
Mahomes basically saying the same thing and praised him for
his wisdom. I can't figure out why I thought the
one was mockable and the one was praiseworthy other than
misogyny or I mean, I don't think I'm a misogynist,
but why did I immediately think it was ridiculous that
anybody's paying attention to Katelin Clark's saying that, but commented
(15:53):
on Patrick Mahomes like it seemed like a wise gesture.
Speaker 4 (15:57):
Yea, an ah, interesting, Katie, you have a comment. I
was just gonna say. Pat shared his reasoning and it was,
you know, persuasive. She's right, Yeah, she's doing exactly the
same thing though, so she is.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
But Caitlin Clark WNBA much smaller scale than Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 4 (16:19):
True, and the other thing, With all due respect to
ms Clark in her incredible skill and toughness, Patrick Mahomes
is in the position where, because of the Travis Kelsey
Taylor Swift thing and the Swift endorsing Harris and all
that crap, all of a sudden you got the media
surrounding Patrick Mahomes and saying do you agree with Patrick
Kelsey's girlfriend?
Speaker 2 (16:40):
And he has to say, look, leave me alone. I'm
not going to talk about this.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
Yeah, I guess it's Caitlin Clark is huge among women
and just a sports figure and kind of in the
Taylor Swift vein of things. So I don't know, I
shouldn't have mocked one and praised the other that day.
It doesn't really make any sense. So clearly, clearly you
have a heart full of hate. You're making a you
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don't believe this, Katie space in my head, this is
a stretch, Jack, Okay, I just feel like.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
A bad person. Maybe I've got other reasons as to
yourself armstrong.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
And I remember NBC and that stupid ABC that did
this horrible debate. Those two people should be fired as
an anchor a couple of more years.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
He'll be fired. And she was nasty, she looked at
me with hatred in her eyes. And him he's a
nice guy. I mean they were told to do it.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
By George slap Adopolis's.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
Who's in the group, all right, George slap Adops. Oh
my god.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
Uh, I didn't become clear that that passed a very
limited certain point. Is not running for president those rallies,
That's not what he's doing. I want to get into
that in a moment, and some.
Speaker 4 (18:10):
Powal forwards written by a democratic operative's who's super heavyweight
in that world. But first I have considered Jack's misogyny
or not conundrum, and with my solemnic wisdom, having considered
the question for roughly six minutes, I will declare you
innocent for reasons that I think are interesting.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
As I noodled this through.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
As I mocked Caitlin Clark but praised Patrick Mahomes for
basically having the same stance right on the election, and
again I think why you've been let off the hook
by me is somewhat interesting.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
It's interesting to me anyway, only God the way you
judge me. But I'm still interested in europeon fair point.
Speaker 4 (18:52):
So it all has to do with the way it
was presented to us, and then the way we passed
it on the way it came to us is out
of nowhere, apropos of nothing. Caitlin Clark is announcing that
I will not be endorsing either candidate, and our reaction
is who asked you? And I have nothing negative to
(19:16):
say about Ms Clark and again her incredible abilities, character, toughness,
et cetera.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
She's a model for young girls and boys for that matter.
Off sure that did you see that?
Speaker 3 (19:25):
They she got him into the playoffs after that, like
one in nineteen starter unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
It is unbelievable. She's a monster talent.
Speaker 4 (19:34):
Anyway, the way it was presented to us as consumers
of information, on the other hand, was that because of
the Taylor Swift Travis Kelty's thing, people are hounding Patrick
Mahomes for what do you think about the election? And
he was obviously irresponding to pressure that surrounds him and
was forced as a young athlete into making a declaration,
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and so it seemed much more appropriate that he would
speak out. That's not necessarily what happened, For I know
Caitlin Clark has been under unrelenting pressure to take a
stance one way or the other in her very feminist,
very lesbian the sports league, and.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
So the way the information came to us prejudiced are.
Speaker 4 (20:15):
View of the people speaking and their motives and how
important it was they spoke out. And for that, I apologize,
but also am intrigued at what that means about.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
How we take in information. So I'm not a bad person.
Speaker 4 (20:29):
I'm probably overthinking, Oh, you're a bad person for a
lot of reasons, but not that one. So moving along,
he says, after a prolonged distraction to the question of
the debate and politics and that sort of thing, the utter, miserable,
unforgivable failure of the moderators coming in a moment, according
(20:50):
to like Everybody, Peggy Noon and the Fabulous Peggy Noon
and writing an article in the Wall Street Journal touches
on some of the obvious points that others had beaten
her too, because she only turns out to think one
column a week, but that Kamala quote unquote one but
with shallow as hell and didn't really say anything. And
then she pointed out the incapacity of mister Trump. He
(21:12):
couldn't prosecute his case because the sentence has collapsed. He
leaves words out. He'll refer to he and them, but
you're not here. He's talking about his mind is pinballing
too much. He's been This is the sentence that was
brought to mind by the audio he came back with.
He's been spoiled by his safe space, his rallies, where
(21:32):
his weird free associations amuse the crowd, and his non
sequiturs are applauded as authenticity. That doesn't work on a
debate stage. And it's strange he doesn't know this. Everybody
understands his shorthand and his catchphrases and buzzwords. At those rallies,
he can just briefly, like you know, a sentence fragment,
(21:57):
say something about oh, Russia, Russia, Russia and everything.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
But on the debate stage, people are like, what the
hell is he talking about.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
So in is rally crowd, he can say in Aurora, Colorado,
you saw that, and everybody will know what he's talking
about because they take in the same media about the
Venezuelan and gang as in the apartment complex. But on
the debate stage, for most of America, there's lots of
people that don't know what it is. You can't just
say Aurora like he did and move on.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
Right exactly. And I was gonna there was one more.
Where is that? Can I find it? I was going
through windows and closing them earlier. Yeah, here it is.
Speaker 4 (22:35):
This is from I think the Free Press, Yeah, Oliver Wiseman,
the Free Press. But it was written on Monday, and
I quote with the all important presidential debate between Harrison
Trump just to day away the vice president's hunker down Pittsburgh,
preparing for the showdown, making the occasional run blah blah,
Donald Trump's camp meanwhile, says he doesn't need to do
much prep. He uses dozens of unscripted interviews and can
(22:58):
stand with reporters unscripted for hours at a time. He
doesn't need staff cheat codes to go into a debate,
they said on Monday.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
So that was the feeling in the Trump plant.
Speaker 3 (23:09):
You know, there was a pull away shot during the
debate where you could see his notepad and it he
clearly didn't write anything down. Calmly came out and wrote
some things down. That weird rule they have in debates,
which I just don't quite understand that you're not allowed
to bring notes. You know, as the president of the
United States or a CEO or whatever, you could carry
around some notes with you all the time, Yeah, to
(23:31):
help you make decisions really any adult activity except maybe
taking the bar exam. I mean the idea that you
show you're keeping in your head before you walk out
on stage. Inflation, immigration, and blah blah blah, whatever it
does you think debate, and then you walk out there
and write them down. It's somehow different than if you
had carried them out there in the notes. Weird rule,
(23:52):
But anyway, she wrote some stuff down. He did not, dude,
maybe you should. Maybe you should have walked out there
and written down immigration and and whatever else you think
was important, so you could glance down whenever you're.
Speaker 4 (24:06):
Yeah, really frustrating anyway, having cleared that deck, onto the
utter horror of the moderators. Piece written once again for
The Wall Street Journal, but by Mark Penn and Andrew Stein.
Pen a long time polster and advisor to the Clintons,
and Stein was New York City Council president for years
(24:28):
and years in the eighties and nineties, both the men
of the left.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
Mark Penn did the debate prep for Bill Clinton both
times and Hillary Clinton. He knows something about big time
presidential debate, and he's a Democrat and he's a partisan,
and he's pissed me off a million times.
Speaker 4 (24:44):
And then even he says this, Yeah. So first of all,
he throws a sentence or two about the debate. We've
gone over that more than once. But then he says,
they say, but as we reviewed the video and compared notes,
we became concerned about the role of ABC News and
what it did to our democracy. The moderators, who were
supposed to be neutral referees, had decided in advance that
(25:06):
they were going to fact check Trump, but not miss Harris.
She enlisted every charge ever leveled against mister Trump, regardless
of the truth. That included, to name a few, the
false claims that he favored a national abortion ban and
opposes in vitro fertilization, that he called neo Nazis in Charlottesville,
Virginia very fine people, and that he threatened.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
A bloodbath if he loses the election. Each is untrue.
Speaker 4 (25:31):
Mister Trump has made cleary opposes a national abortion ban,
he favors idef and has even said the government should
pay for it. He condemned the Charlottesville neo Nazis, and
he predicted a financial blood bath for the auto industry
if he loses and the Biden Harris electric vehicle mandates progress.
This is amazing that a old school democratic operative is
(25:52):
writing this.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
It's just incredible.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
That shows you how different our political culture is today
from couple of decades ago.
Speaker 5 (26:01):
Right.
Speaker 4 (26:02):
And among the many themes I often drown on about,
one is that you have to when you're shaping public policy,
for instance, not just look at it an inch deep.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
You've got to ask yourself what effect will this policy have?
Speaker 4 (26:16):
How will this change human beings behavior, then how will
that effect change what other human beings do. You've got
to try to understand the chain of reaction that happens
when you alter the law or the finances of the nation,
or incentives and disincentives for people to work or follow
the law, for instance. You've got to look at effects
(26:37):
and after effects. And that's what Penn and Stein do.
I think really well, here, had the moderators turned to
miss Harris after these lies and said that has been debunked,
we might be having a totally different conversation about the
debate given to how she tends to react when challenged. True,
so they're looking beyond the making unfair calls and wrong calls.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
But how would you know what do they call it?
An alternate history? Yeah, excellent point.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
How she might have gotten so flustered and been off
her game if David Mihir had said, to be fair
to the audience, the comments about bloodbath were not about violence,
They were about the economic and history. Three of the
things you just said are not true. Who knows how
she would have reacted to that.
Speaker 4 (27:22):
As the gentleman, right, we would be saying she was
having a good night until she couldn't help herself and
went too far. Mister Trump would have been freed from
having to spend so much time defending himself against false charges,
and the country would have gotten to hear more of
his plans for America. Partly because Trump, like a child,
finds it completely impossible to just laugh off a false
(27:42):
charge and go to his talking points. He can't do it,
and they and the Harris Camp knows it. Think back
to the Trump day Biden debate in June, in which
the CNN moderators exemplified fairness.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
Had they spent time correcting mister.
Speaker 4 (27:55):
Trump while letting his opponent off the hook as ABC
did this or the result might not have been as
lopsided and Joe Biden still might be the nominee. But
CNN did its job fairly in the public got a
meaningful read on the two candidates. When referees put their
thumbs on the scale, the game changes. The results have
to be thrown out. We are robbed of our time
and democracy is drained of its meaning. A presidential debate
(28:18):
shouldn't be a staged wrestling match. It should feature two
candidates on a level playing field so voters can make
up their minds free of interference. Anything less makes a
mockery of our institutions. Man, they are bringing the thunder.
ABC should have fact checked both candidates are neither fact checking.
Only one was the worst possible decision. Even a Democrat
(28:38):
can tell a whopper. Time and time again, we find
that supposedly neutral democratic institutions have been corrupted by bias.
Debate moderators must check their biases and seek to be
scrupulously fair, or they shouldn't do the job. They should
observe strict rules and come from a variety of networks.
Most important, they shouldn't interfere, but rather trust voters to
make their own decisions.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
ABC undermined the system for everyone in the Wall Street Journal.
I wish it'd have been in the New York Times
or Washington Post. I wonder if they shopped it to
either one of those and got turned down.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
I would like to know that.
Speaker 4 (29:10):
Wow, well, it wouldn't shock me. But if if the
New York Times turned down Mark Penn and.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
What's Bill Stein, whatever his name is, mister Stein, no
disrespect sir?
Speaker 4 (29:22):
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Speaker 3 (30:46):
I hope I don't ever get so disingenuous or phony
about politics that if I had watched a debate where
the reverse happened, that I would have ignored it. Where
if they would have just hammered the Democrat with fact
many of them wrong, and then then let our guy
your girls spout nonsense and then pretended that didn't happen.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
I don't know how you do that.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
I'm looking at our audio sheet, which which the crew
does a brilliant job of preparing every day.
Speaker 4 (31:16):
I mean, seriously, we have a great team. There's a
fair amount of ABCO Nightly News or whatever they call
it in America ABC Tonight. I don't want to hear
David Muir's voice on our air, I really.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
Don't just banned David Muir.
Speaker 4 (31:32):
I might I ball up my fists and I want
to throw Haymaker blows when I hear his greasy voice.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
Did you hear Trump commenting on his hair, David Muir's
hair that was part of his yesterday that, oh.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
My god, we got a lot more on the way
stay with us?
Speaker 5 (31:50):
Shot by twenty one points, fourth and four, pressure to
a step, so up is going to run for first
down and it takes a shot at the sixth short line,
haml and hit him and tow it down, picked up
the first split the scene. That pays the price, boy.
Speaker 3 (32:15):
That's something the way we talk about football. And I
mean I'm not anti or anything, but the way Tory
boy pays the price with maybe a life changing concussion.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
But the price is brain injury. Yeah, the price is
brain injury.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
It's not like paid the price by that's gonna hurt
your chances of winning, Well, it will, but it's not
only that might hurt your chances of living the rest
of your life in any enjoyable way. One of the
star players the NFL got a bad concussion. It might
be out for a long time.
Speaker 4 (32:45):
He's got a history of a couple of hum dingers
too that kept him out for a long time, and
they add up right, or should have.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
That's the way the concussion thing worked. You get several
and then you don't want another one.
Speaker 4 (32:56):
Right, Yeah, which is why I wear a helmet when Ivice,
for instance, stelbl.
Speaker 3 (33:02):
I have hit my head more in the last three days,
and I think I have cumulative in the last twenty years.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
I don't know what's going on. Lamps, cupboard doors that
are open, I don't know what's going on. I just
keep hitting my head. It's getting old. I might start
running home. I'm just walking around.
Speaker 4 (33:17):
That's probably a good idea, do you mean, like chandeliers
and that sort of thing, or just house your head
on a lamp.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
This new house I moved into has got well it's
so you're supposed to have the kitchen table in there,
but I'm not.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
I don't live a kitchen.
Speaker 4 (33:28):
Table, old missing table, chandelier to the head, gah, I've
done it many times.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
So we've got that as kind of like the living
room where we're watching TV.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
But every time I stand up from the couch, I
hit my head on the lamp, and you know, one
could ask how many times will you do that before
you either remove the lamp or put something underneath it,
or or change it somehow so you don't just continually
bash yourself.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
In that head.
Speaker 4 (33:50):
If say, remove our dining room table to clean the
floors or something in there, there's a roughly one hundred
percent chance I will walk into that light of fixture
during the time the table is removed.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
And here's the problem. Every time I hit my head
on it, I get a little dumber.
Speaker 3 (34:05):
So the likelihood that I can solve the problem goes down,
as I'm now dumber than I was before I hit
my head.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
Wow, a tragic ironic development saw this.
Speaker 3 (34:18):
The FDA has approved Apple AirPods Pro two to be
used as hearing aids. Not exactly sure how that works.
Is there a different app or something you can do
to turn those into his skids?
Speaker 2 (34:31):
There must be.
Speaker 3 (34:33):
That's got to be good news for Apple, as they
had their new products can the other day, But now
Apple switched over.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
That's a fellow like.
Speaker 4 (34:39):
Myself who's aging a bit. Maybe the hearing is going
a little bit. I look not old, I look.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
Like I'm rocking out right exactly. That's helpful.
Speaker 3 (34:49):
You're absolutely right because the hearing aid, you know, is
a is a definer of your generation sort of. Look,
you got the the apple things in Oh. I'm just
super into the hip hop, don't you know.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
Now.
Speaker 4 (35:04):
I've always gone with the big horn in my ear
because I'm old school.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
But you know, you do you folks.
Speaker 3 (35:10):
I don't want to get into politics again, but pretty
clever move by Kamala Harris to start rocking the EarPods
or headphones all the time like she's an athlete or
whatever getting out of the bus so that she doesn't
have to answer questions. Pretty clever because it kind of
makes you cool and hip because that's all young people.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
Oh my god, I fight my son on this all
the time. Dude, take that out of your ear, all right,
I can't talk to you. I talked to him all
the time, Hey can we do this?
Speaker 3 (35:36):
Or you want to do that? Or can you help
me with this? Or can you open the door? And
I get no response. I look at him, he's got
the things in his ears. Young people seem to need
to have music going in their ears constantly, like a
free waking moment.
Speaker 4 (35:51):
Yeah, it's so interesting. Does he have any policies or ideas?
Because she doesn't. That's why she wears the earbuds constantly.
Speaker 3 (36:01):
I got something super heavy I want to do on
a Friday, but I think it's necessary around the whole
lies at the debate the other night, specifically the fact
check on late term abortion.
Speaker 4 (36:12):
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