July 13, 2026 • 17 mins
First, the connection between spicy food & longevity. Next, Joe shares some additional thoughts on his long vacation, including that inescapable feeling of...
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Oh my god, hide the foodies back again. It's one
more thing.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
I'm one more thing speaking of food, and before we
get to whatever that is just came across this. This
has got to be one of those causation versus what
is that that?
Speaker 1 (00:17):
What is it? Correlation?
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Correlation? Yeah, uh, there's got to be something else. Adults
whose spicy food intake you like, the spicy food averaged
six to seven days a week had a fourteen percent
lower relative risk of dying than those who take Why
why would what's the what's the theory?
Speaker 1 (00:39):
No, I don't, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
I just try. I never think it's that stuff. I
always think it's a correlation. Like what is the lifestyle
of people who eat spicy food that would cause them
to die less? Way around?
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Like you're like your your big fat southern.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Oh maybe it's about to have a heart attack. Yeah,
those foods are I don't call it bland, but it's
not spicy. A lot of gravy and fried chicken and
all those flavors which I love, but it's not spicy.
You're right, I'll bet it's that.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Oh. I discovered I like Indian food even more than
I realized. On the cruise, because that's.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
One flavor I do not like.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Oh Man was so good, but that's spicy.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Indian casino or wins spelling Bee.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Championship spelling Bee. Yeah, yeah, the subcontinent, not the reservations. Yeah,
oh yeah, yeah. Yeah. We made some jokes when we
were talking about the cruise and all about food and
buffets and stuff like that, and it is possible just
taking way, way, way too many calories. It's not like
you eat like a hog in an individual meal, but
every time you're hungry, you have fabulously prepared a huge
(01:53):
variety of food to choose from her.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
A little of this, a little maybe a little bit
of that, with the added weird mental thing of you
paid for this and you kind of get more value
the more you eat, which doesn't make any sense, but well.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
You're right. But yeah, there were a couple of mornings
I had what I usually have for breakfast, which is
some yogurt and fruit, maybe some nuts on top of it.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
I paid for this. I'm not just gonna have yogurt
and fruit.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Here. I am walking past the salmon and the bagels
and the pre made omelets or the order on omelet
or the delicious bacon and the just everything.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
I got up in the morning to make it, and
everything you eave them standing there alone, muffins and danishes
and what else was there?
Speaker 1 (02:35):
Just everything everything you could possibly.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Eakfast, the sort of pancake or French toast.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
Are you kidding me? Of course, yes, every variety you
can imagine. You think I'm just having a cup of yogurt.
I'm losing money here.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Yeah, right, yeah, And what's the point of being alive?
Speaker 1 (02:55):
Just gain like three pounds that you know, you know
how weighing in goes Tomorrow it could be three more
pounds and I'll be like, wait what, but we'll say so.
On the cruise, I found myself thinking about a couple
of things. Number one, retirement, not because I'm considering it.
Really a lot of my friends and golf buddies are
(03:17):
retired or about to retire and stuff like that. It's
kind of it's a conversation that I have. But I
love what I do and I'm super interested in it,
and I just I don't want to. So maybe a
little bit different, a little different work life balance, but
in short, I don't want to. But I was thinking
(03:37):
about self discipline in the different kinds of it. And
here's why. I you know, I make jokes about drinking
a lot, but I'm pretty responsible about my drinking, hardly
because I don't want my wife to think I'm a
lush and also because I care about this job. And
(03:59):
if I get like hammered and I'm hungover the next day,
I'm not as good at it, and I that it
kills me. I hate that. But I was thinking on vacation,
we would like to do almost every day an outing
or an adventure, whether it was a we did a
couple of kayak excursions that were quite strenuous, or a
(04:22):
you know, floatplane thing or a hike or whatever, and
you can't do them hungover, especially if I'm not I've tried,
I'm miserable and I'm and you know, everybody, depending on
your age, has a different view of what it means
to be hungover. I remember when it was just a
(04:43):
headache and my stomach didn't feel good, but it kind
of evolves to I know you remember this from your
drinking days. Excess of alcohol use can have digestive.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Effects where indeed, if you were to be kayak when
saying there was no saying no, what are you gonna
do you want to send this guyak to the dry cleaner?
Speaker 1 (05:08):
You're gonna, yes, Selene, what are you gonna hang your
ours over the edge and pollute the glacier lake? I know.
So a lot of the discipline I showed on vacation
was what I would call a circumstance related. And I realized,
(05:32):
if and you know, I don't where does one start
in the other one end or whatever? If I could,
if it just doesn't matter how I feel the next day,
or if there were no scale, would I be self
disciplined at all?
Speaker 2 (05:54):
Or what?
Speaker 1 (05:54):
I just I'm trying to understand what is like actual
moral and what is just a practical concession of the
fact that I don't want to suck at my job
and I don't want to have to take a crap
in the middle of a lake, which is sorry those
of you with more delicate sensibilities, it's a good thing
(06:16):
to avoid. Yeah, oh lord, that's a good point. Uh.
I don't know. I don't have any point to this.
I just found myself thinking, are you really disciplined or
is this just again a practical accommodation to the good
things and bad things you want to avoid? Or are
those the same thing? Right? It is that the same thing.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
I got two examples of that kind of like. So
I'm in the gym almost every day. I'm very very consistent,
right yeah, much more disciplined than I am right now.
But it's not driven by health or any sort of
like noble reason. It's because I'm single. It's vanity and lasciviousness.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
That's it is.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
It's never apologized for Lascius. It is not any sort
of well the doctor said I should keep my cluster. No, no, no,
I don't think about that at all. And then so
I've been trying to write lately. I'm trying to make
that a new habit.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
Ah.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Yeah, I bought this really cool electric typewriter thing. It's awesome,
it feels uh oh uh oh.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
The I'm going to turn over a new leaf.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
So I buy gears, right, definitely something you gotta watch
out for a lot. I gotta type on something. I
just I hate typing on computers. I always have. And
I came across this thing about how a lot of
people hate type on computers. I just hate it, something
about the shallow depth and the sound or something like that.
So I bought this thing that's very popular with writers
that feels and sounds like a typewriter, but it's a
(07:47):
word processor thing. Very cool. And also it's not hooked
to the internet and it's impossible, so you can't go online. Also,
that's the other thing with computers. There's lots of people
talking about it's just too easy to check your email
real quick or a text comes in. So I got
this word process or thing that I've been using, and
I've been trying to be disciplined every single day and
(08:08):
I was actually typing last night, doing my kind of
journaling before I try to write anything, but just owt
You know. The weird thing about that trying to get
this is nobody's making me do this. I don't have
to do it. I could easily say, you know what,
you're X years old, who cares? Don't do it? Why
are you making yourself do something that you find to
be a chore?
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Why? What is the goal here?
Speaker 2 (08:31):
What's the Because it's not like lifting weights I'm doing
so I can get a girlfriend. What am I gonna
get out of writing other than in theory some sort
So yeah, motivating yourself to do things for the right
reason is hard.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
If I had to write postponing brain rot though. That's yeah,
that's a good thing.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
Boy, I don't know. That doesn't work for me either,
because I mean, that'd be the exercise thing I should
be exercising because it's gonna help me live a longer,
more enjoyable life.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
That's not why I'm exercising.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
I need you writers get laid a lot. I need
some reason.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Yeah, they do conflicted about it.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
Uh if like if I got horrible, uncontrollable diarrhea by
not writing, kind of like your motivation for drinking.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
Yes, yes, the least bit controllable.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
It's funny the motivation of what makes people do things
or not, And you'd like it to be a character driven,
but it oftentimes is not.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
So. Yeah. Well, I've I've often said, particularly of a
certain young man who I'm very, very fond of, that
I wish you would find a great woman because if
you're the sort of guy and there are plenty of
you that are self motivated to become everything you can
(10:00):
be good for you. Uh. For me, A huge factor
in my life, huge was not wanting to let down
my wife or my children. Oh yeah, I'm afraid I
could be a slacker. Bum fairly easily, but I'm not
for obvious reasons. Uh yeah, yeah, So what is the
nature of self discipline?
Speaker 2 (10:20):
What?
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Hmm, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
Are most people driven by the sticks rather than the
carrots or or or carrots that aren't anything you should
be proud of.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
Also, your metaphor is getting a little hasty to me,
what am I doing with the carrot? Is this a
substitute for getting laid or now? I well, you know
I Also there's the I want to do good at
my job because I like money.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
Yeah, I don't have any problem with that. You know,
we're on a stage every single day. Who wants to
embarrass themselves on stage in front of people?
Speaker 1 (11:03):
But that's a.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Stick also, yeah, avoiding embarrassment. So like you, Michael, you
you're pretty disciplined with your eating, But that's because the
doctor flat out told you you're going to lose your
feet or die or what.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
Yeah. Yeah, and you know I like having toes.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
So I eat.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Probably you have to buy all new socks.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
But I was thinking about when you guys were talking
about retirement. Yeah, by not retiring, by working till the
day you die, you always have that stick.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
Which is good.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
It means you can't drink as much as you want.
You've got to show up somewhere, so it it creates discipline.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
Well, you're right, and that's actually I left unsaid kind
of that point that I was thinking about retirement, thinking well,
I'll have to institute a new system of self discipline
or kind of a new paradigm to not just go
completely nuts. And I've talked to enough friends who have
retired that Yeah, that's part of it. And you have
(12:00):
to figure out a purpose. You have to have a
reason to get up in the morning. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Man, I had a couple of I only had a
couple of days where when we were on vacation last
week where my kids were busy and I had the
whole day free, and man, at least one of them, I.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
Just completely wasted.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
And I thought, dang it. I mean like I was
so productive when the kids were little, especially, It's like
I don't even know how I did it, just to
go all day long because I had no choice, given
a choice, it's very easy for me to sleep late,
flip on the TV. You know, I could use a nap.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
You just got up.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
I'm tired. I can get out of hand. So fast,
and I know I've talked to people retired who yes,
that can happen. Next thing, you know, a month has
gone by and you haven't done any of the things
you thought you were going to do in retirement, none
of them that.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
Would be me. I had a friend I wish we'd
stayed in touch, but when we met Roger, he was
seventy seven years old. He was our next door neighbor
at our walled compound in the woods, and and he
was just starting a big new business and had to
fly back and forth to Montana. I think because he
(13:18):
believed you retire, you die. He'd had several friends who
were tired and then just boom they did. In the
last two years.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
I've told you the story about my financial guy, who
you know. He said, I have seen this my entire career,
people who can't wait to retire, And then when I
see him the next year, one year later, when they
come back for their evaluation, they look like they've aged
fifteen years. He said, it's like it's like a truism.
And then I know some people who have thrived in retirement.
They're doing great.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
Generally, they're busy, they're trying to accomplish something. They're doing
something that's important to them. But you know what, I've
got this retired doctor friend who's absolutely hilarious, and he's
been retired for an number of years. He couldn't be happier.
And you know, we'll play golf, we'll have a drink
or two after the round or something. I'll say, well,
(14:06):
I gotta knock it off. I gotta work tomorrow, and say, Joe,
you know what, I gotta work never And he really
relishes it and he'll outlive us all. So just how
is I wish there was a genetic test you could take?
Or listen? You're a four C. I need you to
listen to me, very very carefully. The minute you leave work,
(14:27):
you do this, that and the other. You'll be dead
within a year or whatever. You're a one be don't worry,
You'll be fine.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
Yeah. I'm not good with free time. I wish I
was better at it, but I'm not good with it.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
So saw a bunch of whales Alaska, two bears, handful
of orcas. We saw you get flipped on your head
by that bison, got flipped on my head by bison.
Let's see sea otters sea lion, stellar seals. It's not
a rating, that's that's the breed.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
A bunch of good names for a breed. I wish
I was like the magnificent Jack. That was just my name, right,
Stellar sea lions. Yeah, they remind me of great egrets. Look,
that's a great egret.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
I've seen better egrets. Yeah, it's okay, boy. The wildlife,
the wildlife. You know, it's surprising about wildlife. It's how
little you see. You're in like a vast wild, untrammeled wilderness.
Odds are good. You're not gonna see goddamn squirrel. I mean,
just because there's so much room. It's not like the
(15:36):
bears are crowded together like commuters on a subway car
or something like that. They're off, they're off in a wilderness. Right.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
Did you see uh, like ice in water?
Speaker 1 (15:47):
What do you call that? All icebergs? Icebergs?
Speaker 2 (15:49):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (15:50):
Oh yeah, we saw some beautiful glaciers and icebergs. You
got three kinds of iceberg jack, depending on their size,
you got uh two meters or smaller. I think those
are growlers. Seriously, that's that's what you call unfortunate iceberg.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
Now, most of the iceberg is above water? Do I
remember that correctly?
Speaker 1 (16:07):
Oh no, no, as a matter of fact, that is incorrect.
So you got your growlers, Michael, And your second size
is I believe, up to five meters in length, and
those are called believe it or not, bergie bits, which
is as cutesy as growler is unfortunate. And then more
than five meters you've got an iceberg.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
One.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
Indeed, contrary to Jack's belief, they're dangerous because you can
only see a fraction.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
Why did we all learn in grade school that seven
tenths of an iceberg is under the water like we
are all because the Titanic was Titanic not everybody needs
to know this in case you're ever pilot in a
boat right outside of Scandinavia.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
Look, if you find yourself piloting an enormous ocean liner,
remember this one thing of all things to learn right right?
Speaker 3 (16:56):
Hey, real quick? A serious question? How daylight hours? Was
it daylight for twelve hours a day or what's it
like up there?
Speaker 1 (17:03):
Not quite because we were in late June early July,
but it was blazing sunshine at ten o'clock at night
ten o'clock. Wow, Oh yeah, you'd be you'd be you know,
sipping drinks and doing whatever, and you'd look at your
watch and think, holy crap, how did that happen? And
then you'd wake up, you know in the wee hours
of the morning too, I don't know, perhaps relieve yourself
and uh, and the sun would be bullazing. Oh boy,
(17:28):
oh boy. And the sun would be blazing. It should
ended at about a minute ago.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
Yeah, well, I guess that's it.
Oh my god, hide the foodies back again. It's one
more thing.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
I'm one more thing speaking of food, and before we
get to whatever that is just came across this. This
has got to be one of those causation versus what
is that that?
Speaker 1 (00:17):
What is it? Correlation?
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Correlation? Yeah, uh, there's got to be something else. Adults
whose spicy food intake you like, the spicy food averaged
six to seven days a week had a fourteen percent
lower relative risk of dying than those who take Why
why would what's the what's the theory?
Speaker 1 (00:39):
No, I don't, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
I just try. I never think it's that stuff. I
always think it's a correlation. Like what is the lifestyle
of people who eat spicy food that would cause them
to die less? Way around?
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Like you're like your your big fat southern.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Oh maybe it's about to have a heart attack. Yeah,
those foods are I don't call it bland, but it's
not spicy. A lot of gravy and fried chicken and
all those flavors which I love, but it's not spicy.
You're right, I'll bet it's that.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Oh. I discovered I like Indian food even more than
I realized. On the cruise, because that's.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
One flavor I do not like.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Oh Man was so good, but that's spicy.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Indian casino or wins spelling Bee.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Championship spelling Bee. Yeah, yeah, the subcontinent, not the reservations. Yeah,
oh yeah, yeah. Yeah. We made some jokes when we
were talking about the cruise and all about food and
buffets and stuff like that, and it is possible just
taking way, way, way too many calories. It's not like
you eat like a hog in an individual meal, but
every time you're hungry, you have fabulously prepared a huge
(01:53):
variety of food to choose from her.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
A little of this, a little maybe a little bit
of that, with the added weird mental thing of you
paid for this and you kind of get more value
the more you eat, which doesn't make any sense, but well.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
You're right. But yeah, there were a couple of mornings
I had what I usually have for breakfast, which is
some yogurt and fruit, maybe some nuts on top of it.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
I paid for this. I'm not just gonna have yogurt
and fruit.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Here. I am walking past the salmon and the bagels
and the pre made omelets or the order on omelet
or the delicious bacon and the just everything.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
I got up in the morning to make it, and
everything you eave them standing there alone, muffins and danishes
and what else was there?
Speaker 1 (02:35):
Just everything everything you could possibly.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Eakfast, the sort of pancake or French toast.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
Are you kidding me? Of course, yes, every variety you
can imagine. You think I'm just having a cup of yogurt.
I'm losing money here.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Yeah, right, yeah, And what's the point of being alive?
Speaker 1 (02:55):
Just gain like three pounds that you know, you know
how weighing in goes Tomorrow it could be three more
pounds and I'll be like, wait what, but we'll say so.
On the cruise, I found myself thinking about a couple
of things. Number one, retirement, not because I'm considering it.
Really a lot of my friends and golf buddies are
(03:17):
retired or about to retire and stuff like that. It's
kind of it's a conversation that I have. But I
love what I do and I'm super interested in it,
and I just I don't want to. So maybe a
little bit different, a little different work life balance, but
in short, I don't want to. But I was thinking
(03:37):
about self discipline in the different kinds of it. And
here's why. I you know, I make jokes about drinking
a lot, but I'm pretty responsible about my drinking, hardly
because I don't want my wife to think I'm a
lush and also because I care about this job. And
(03:59):
if I get like hammered and I'm hungover the next day,
I'm not as good at it, and I that it
kills me. I hate that. But I was thinking on vacation,
we would like to do almost every day an outing
or an adventure, whether it was a we did a
couple of kayak excursions that were quite strenuous, or a
(04:22):
you know, floatplane thing or a hike or whatever, and
you can't do them hungover, especially if I'm not I've tried,
I'm miserable and I'm and you know, everybody, depending on
your age, has a different view of what it means
to be hungover. I remember when it was just a
(04:43):
headache and my stomach didn't feel good, but it kind
of evolves to I know you remember this from your
drinking days. Excess of alcohol use can have digestive.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Effects where indeed, if you were to be kayak when
saying there was no saying no, what are you gonna
do you want to send this guyak to the dry cleaner?
Speaker 1 (05:08):
You're gonna, yes, Selene, what are you gonna hang your
ours over the edge and pollute the glacier lake? I know.
So a lot of the discipline I showed on vacation
was what I would call a circumstance related. And I realized,
(05:32):
if and you know, I don't where does one start
in the other one end or whatever? If I could,
if it just doesn't matter how I feel the next day,
or if there were no scale, would I be self
disciplined at all?
Speaker 2 (05:54):
Or what?
Speaker 1 (05:54):
I just I'm trying to understand what is like actual
moral and what is just a practical concession of the
fact that I don't want to suck at my job
and I don't want to have to take a crap
in the middle of a lake, which is sorry those
of you with more delicate sensibilities, it's a good thing
(06:16):
to avoid. Yeah, oh lord, that's a good point. Uh.
I don't know. I don't have any point to this.
I just found myself thinking, are you really disciplined or
is this just again a practical accommodation to the good
things and bad things you want to avoid? Or are
those the same thing? Right? It is that the same thing.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
I got two examples of that kind of like. So
I'm in the gym almost every day. I'm very very consistent,
right yeah, much more disciplined than I am right now.
But it's not driven by health or any sort of
like noble reason. It's because I'm single. It's vanity and lasciviousness.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
That's it is.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
It's never apologized for Lascius. It is not any sort
of well the doctor said I should keep my cluster. No, no, no,
I don't think about that at all. And then so
I've been trying to write lately. I'm trying to make
that a new habit.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
Ah.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Yeah, I bought this really cool electric typewriter thing. It's awesome,
it feels uh oh uh oh.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
The I'm going to turn over a new leaf.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
So I buy gears, right, definitely something you gotta watch
out for a lot. I gotta type on something. I
just I hate typing on computers. I always have. And
I came across this thing about how a lot of
people hate type on computers. I just hate it, something
about the shallow depth and the sound or something like that.
So I bought this thing that's very popular with writers
that feels and sounds like a typewriter, but it's a
(07:47):
word processor thing. Very cool. And also it's not hooked
to the internet and it's impossible, so you can't go online. Also,
that's the other thing with computers. There's lots of people
talking about it's just too easy to check your email
real quick or a text comes in. So I got
this word process or thing that I've been using, and
I've been trying to be disciplined every single day and
(08:08):
I was actually typing last night, doing my kind of
journaling before I try to write anything, but just owt
You know. The weird thing about that trying to get
this is nobody's making me do this. I don't have
to do it. I could easily say, you know what,
you're X years old, who cares? Don't do it? Why
are you making yourself do something that you find to
be a chore?
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Why? What is the goal here?
Speaker 2 (08:31):
What's the Because it's not like lifting weights I'm doing
so I can get a girlfriend. What am I gonna
get out of writing other than in theory some sort
So yeah, motivating yourself to do things for the right
reason is hard.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
If I had to write postponing brain rot though. That's yeah,
that's a good thing.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
Boy, I don't know. That doesn't work for me either,
because I mean, that'd be the exercise thing I should
be exercising because it's gonna help me live a longer,
more enjoyable life.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
That's not why I'm exercising.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
I need you writers get laid a lot. I need
some reason.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Yeah, they do conflicted about it.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
Uh if like if I got horrible, uncontrollable diarrhea by
not writing, kind of like your motivation for drinking.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
Yes, yes, the least bit controllable.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
It's funny the motivation of what makes people do things
or not, And you'd like it to be a character driven,
but it oftentimes is not.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
So. Yeah. Well, I've I've often said, particularly of a
certain young man who I'm very, very fond of, that
I wish you would find a great woman because if
you're the sort of guy and there are plenty of
you that are self motivated to become everything you can
(10:00):
be good for you. Uh. For me, A huge factor
in my life, huge was not wanting to let down
my wife or my children. Oh yeah, I'm afraid I
could be a slacker. Bum fairly easily, but I'm not
for obvious reasons. Uh yeah, yeah, So what is the
nature of self discipline?
Speaker 2 (10:20):
What?
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Hmm, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
Are most people driven by the sticks rather than the
carrots or or or carrots that aren't anything you should
be proud of.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
Also, your metaphor is getting a little hasty to me,
what am I doing with the carrot? Is this a
substitute for getting laid or now? I well, you know
I Also there's the I want to do good at
my job because I like money.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
Yeah, I don't have any problem with that. You know,
we're on a stage every single day. Who wants to
embarrass themselves on stage in front of people?
Speaker 1 (11:03):
But that's a.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Stick also, yeah, avoiding embarrassment. So like you, Michael, you
you're pretty disciplined with your eating, But that's because the
doctor flat out told you you're going to lose your
feet or die or what.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
Yeah. Yeah, and you know I like having toes.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
So I eat.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Probably you have to buy all new socks.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
But I was thinking about when you guys were talking
about retirement. Yeah, by not retiring, by working till the
day you die, you always have that stick.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
Which is good.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
It means you can't drink as much as you want.
You've got to show up somewhere, so it it creates discipline.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
Well, you're right, and that's actually I left unsaid kind
of that point that I was thinking about retirement, thinking well,
I'll have to institute a new system of self discipline
or kind of a new paradigm to not just go
completely nuts. And I've talked to enough friends who have
retired that Yeah, that's part of it. And you have
(12:00):
to figure out a purpose. You have to have a
reason to get up in the morning. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Man, I had a couple of I only had a
couple of days where when we were on vacation last
week where my kids were busy and I had the
whole day free, and man, at least one of them, I.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
Just completely wasted.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
And I thought, dang it. I mean like I was
so productive when the kids were little, especially, It's like
I don't even know how I did it, just to
go all day long because I had no choice, given
a choice, it's very easy for me to sleep late,
flip on the TV. You know, I could use a nap.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
You just got up.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
I'm tired. I can get out of hand. So fast,
and I know I've talked to people retired who yes,
that can happen. Next thing, you know, a month has
gone by and you haven't done any of the things
you thought you were going to do in retirement, none
of them that.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
Would be me. I had a friend I wish we'd
stayed in touch, but when we met Roger, he was
seventy seven years old. He was our next door neighbor
at our walled compound in the woods, and and he
was just starting a big new business and had to
fly back and forth to Montana. I think because he
(13:18):
believed you retire, you die. He'd had several friends who
were tired and then just boom they did. In the
last two years.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
I've told you the story about my financial guy, who
you know. He said, I have seen this my entire career,
people who can't wait to retire, And then when I
see him the next year, one year later, when they
come back for their evaluation, they look like they've aged
fifteen years. He said, it's like it's like a truism.
And then I know some people who have thrived in retirement.
They're doing great.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
Generally, they're busy, they're trying to accomplish something. They're doing
something that's important to them. But you know what, I've
got this retired doctor friend who's absolutely hilarious, and he's
been retired for an number of years. He couldn't be happier.
And you know, we'll play golf, we'll have a drink
or two after the round or something. I'll say, well,
(14:06):
I gotta knock it off. I gotta work tomorrow, and say, Joe,
you know what, I gotta work never And he really
relishes it and he'll outlive us all. So just how
is I wish there was a genetic test you could take?
Or listen? You're a four C. I need you to
listen to me, very very carefully. The minute you leave work,
(14:27):
you do this, that and the other. You'll be dead
within a year or whatever. You're a one be don't worry,
You'll be fine.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
Yeah. I'm not good with free time. I wish I
was better at it, but I'm not good with it.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
So saw a bunch of whales Alaska, two bears, handful
of orcas. We saw you get flipped on your head
by that bison, got flipped on my head by bison.
Let's see sea otters sea lion, stellar seals. It's not
a rating, that's that's the breed.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
A bunch of good names for a breed. I wish
I was like the magnificent Jack. That was just my name, right,
Stellar sea lions. Yeah, they remind me of great egrets. Look,
that's a great egret.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
I've seen better egrets. Yeah, it's okay, boy. The wildlife,
the wildlife. You know, it's surprising about wildlife. It's how
little you see. You're in like a vast wild, untrammeled wilderness.
Odds are good. You're not gonna see goddamn squirrel. I mean,
just because there's so much room. It's not like the
(15:36):
bears are crowded together like commuters on a subway car
or something like that. They're off, they're off in a wilderness. Right.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
Did you see uh, like ice in water?
Speaker 1 (15:47):
What do you call that? All icebergs? Icebergs?
Speaker 2 (15:49):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (15:50):
Oh yeah, we saw some beautiful glaciers and icebergs. You
got three kinds of iceberg jack, depending on their size,
you got uh two meters or smaller. I think those
are growlers. Seriously, that's that's what you call unfortunate iceberg.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
Now, most of the iceberg is above water? Do I
remember that correctly?
Speaker 1 (16:07):
Oh no, no, as a matter of fact, that is incorrect.
So you got your growlers, Michael, And your second size
is I believe, up to five meters in length, and
those are called believe it or not, bergie bits, which
is as cutesy as growler is unfortunate. And then more
than five meters you've got an iceberg.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
One.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
Indeed, contrary to Jack's belief, they're dangerous because you can
only see a fraction.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
Why did we all learn in grade school that seven
tenths of an iceberg is under the water like we
are all because the Titanic was Titanic not everybody needs
to know this in case you're ever pilot in a
boat right outside of Scandinavia.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
Look, if you find yourself piloting an enormous ocean liner,
remember this one thing of all things to learn right right?
Speaker 3 (16:56):
Hey, real quick? A serious question? How daylight hours? Was
it daylight for twelve hours a day or what's it
like up there?
Speaker 1 (17:03):
Not quite because we were in late June early July,
but it was blazing sunshine at ten o'clock at night
ten o'clock. Wow, Oh yeah, you'd be you'd be you know,
sipping drinks and doing whatever, and you'd look at your
watch and think, holy crap, how did that happen? And
then you'd wake up, you know in the wee hours
of the morning too, I don't know, perhaps relieve yourself
and uh, and the sun would be bullazing. Oh boy,
(17:28):
oh boy. And the sun would be blazing. It should
ended at about a minute ago.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
Yeah, well, I guess that's it.
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