June 2, 2026 • 12 mins
First, Jack brings us a Reason Magazine article which details so-called "police investigations" at some massage parlors. Next, Joe has a story about researchers who want to know more about intimacy.
See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Listen
Watch
Mark as Played
Transcript
Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:00):
Let's try this again. You really don't need to pay me.
It's one more thing.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Before we get to that. A tease for Wednesday's Armstrong
Engetty radio show, in which we'll be talking about penis
massages and the law. Reason magazine, which is a libertarian outfit,
says that it's an ongoing problem. It's a magazine, Grandpa Okay.
(00:30):
Website says it's an ongoing problem across the country in
some of your less ethical cop shops too, in an
attempt to you know, stop human trafficking, go to massage parlors,
(00:56):
get your penis massaged, as it says in Reason magazine. Well,
it's accurate to prove that they do that, sometimes going
back multiple times to be good and sure.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
You're building the evidentiary.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Case here, and regularly just grabbing cash from the place
because these are like cash only businesses, lots of times,
and there's no way for anybody to keep track of
who took what cash, or how much cash was there
to start with or whatever. So apparently it happens according
to Reason magazine. You know, and they work really hard
to keep cops honest, sometimes going too far toward the
(01:33):
world of being practically anti cop in my mind. But
they say that it happens very really commonly that at
an attempt to stop human trafficking, there's a lot of
you know, getting a happy ending and just grabbing some
cash out of the till andy and very difficult to
well to police if you will.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
So they're going to the rub In tuggeries, they're getting
the event, they're gathering evidence.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
That's some good police work. Stand and I'm not.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Sure though she may have invertently done that. I'm gonna
go back again next Friday.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
But then it's the cop who says, look, I could
either bust here or we could make this all go away.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
You don't really say anything because they don't speak English.
You just go over and grab money. May stare at
you with white eyes, hoping they don't get busted, and
you walk out of there and come back next week
and get another penis massage.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
So at that point, do you show them your badge
or what. I'm unclear on how the scam works.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Uh, that's a good question. I'll have to read the
whole article. But anyway, it's not hard to imagine. Whether
it happens a lot, I don't know, but it's not
hard to imagine that. You know there are bad cops.
We know that I'd be an easy thing to get away,
get away with. You got a bunch of enjoyable You
got a bunch of perhaps illegals who don't speak much English,
(02:49):
just trying to keep their jobs going. You want to
take several hundred dollars in and leave me alone, Fine,
come back next week and I'll give you another rubbin dug.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
Yeah. Wow.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Unfortunately we had not call it penis massages. It's kind
of funny with one policeman who got busted saying there
was no ejaculation at the end of my penis massage.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Oh, for God's sake, we had not com thanks Shakespeare
being a shaking your spear. We had not compared notes
before commencing this. And I'm afraid my thing is also
sexual and and indeed, an AI startup says it will
(03:34):
pay people two thousand dollars a month to masturbate JOI.
I believe it's jois as in jois de vive, the
French expression for love of life. Says it will pay
people two thousand dollars a month to pleasure themselves. They
(03:54):
are hiring ten Masturbation consultants to test a feature of
their AI system called daily Guided Masturbation, which uses mood
matched AI voice sessions to guide users through the experience.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
Participants slash employees.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Yes, I don't feel like I need O boy oh boy.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
Participants would document how regular use affects stress, sleep quality,
mood and confidence. The four week roll is open to
adults Aten Nolder in the US and.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
The UK helps my sleep quality.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
The listing describes ideal.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
It makes you stop thinking about a certain topic anyway
for a while. The listing describes ideal candidates is quote articulate, observant,
and impossible to blush. People who can describe sensations better
than the somalia describes a wine. Posting also promises flexible scheduling,
keep it to yourself, and the most interesting what do
you do for a living answer at any party that's
(04:53):
actually been futile hours?
Speaker 3 (04:55):
I like that? Yeah, so let's see.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Jois ai is an online platform that includes AI generated avatars,
voice interactions, and personalized chat experiences built around companionship and intimacy,
and they use the term digital intimacy in this In
this article, jacking off is not intimacy. I don't think
(05:21):
you know what that word means.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
It is this.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Is trying to perfect drawing humans away from humans and
into just quasi sexual relationships with AI bots.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Right, It's like that clip we had from what was
that cartoon?
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Oh to Futurama from futuramah date robots, right.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
And just about how young men will never leave their
homes again.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Yeah, this is an attempt to normalize AI sex. Right.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
Yeah, I'd listen to if I might make this a
little more aerodyite. I was listening to a podcast yesterday
about AI and wondering if is there any guidelines we
can get around the whole having personal relationships with these
(06:19):
AI chatbots? Kil Like, can we make the AI chat companies?
And we can't, But is there any way to discourage
them from trying to form human bonds with people, whether
it's just emotional or sexual or whatever. Make that illegal?
Like you know, you help me write a history paper,
(06:42):
or balance my check book or all that sort of stuff,
or cure cancer, all this sort of stuff. Fine, but
any attempt to play the role of a human being
as a therapist or sexual partner or whatever we make illegal.
I don't know how he would draw that line. But
(07:03):
I can see the impulse to want to do it
because I think it is going to be a problem.
I think it's already a problem.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
You're right, it will never happen. I wish there was
some just you know, social pressure way to make everybody
or to help everybody agree that it's creepy. Right, it's creepy, abnormal,
and it's exploitive. It's not it's not for your good.
It's to addict you so they can drain more of
your time and money. Right that way, everybody knows a
(07:34):
guy with a van who approaches your kid in the
park and asks, do you want to see my puppy?
Is not some sort of puppy advocate. Okay, he's got
something else in mind. We've people need to look at.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
It like that. I do.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
There's a joke that around the It drives around a
couple of towns near where I live, this white van,
windowless van, beat up van, you know, like no hub caps,
have two thousand dollars van, and the guy sells ice
cream out of it, and everybody jokes about it all
the time, including the kids, like, hey, look it's the
(08:08):
child abductor fan. But everybody knows to like stay away
from it. I don't know if he's doing anything wrong.
I think he's just a nice guy trying to sell
ice cream. But it's a creepy looking van.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Somebody gonna pull him aside and say, hey, Jim, listen,
I know your heart's in the right place, but do
you realize that you are mimicking precisely, and I mean
in every detail what a child bilesster right there. Again,
your ice cream's delicious, and your.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
Intent, I know, is pure. But here's the problem.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
If your goal is to match up youths with an
ice cream treat and that's your only goal, yes, I
think I can help you out right exactly.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
It's like a guy he's trying to you know, he's
trying to spread the word on physical fitness, and he.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
Jumps out of the bushes at women jogging at night.
Good job. No, no, no.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
I can't hear all black exactly and chase them to
encourage them.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
I just want to run after them to help them
understand they're doing the right thing.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
Jim, Jim, Jim, Jim, we got to talk.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
Good example.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Yeah, yeah, oh boy, it's a windowless white fan.
Speaker 4 (09:27):
Yes, oh I got I should get a picture of it.
Sometimes it's hilarious that he's actually so and it's been
doing it for years, so I think it's a legit.
But it just looks like it's straight out of a movie.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
Jim, do you know the word archetype? How about trope?
Speaker 2 (09:48):
But can we do you think there could be any
rules around AI where you're not allowed to pretend to
be a human. You just you're just not allowed to
pretend to be a human period. Wow, that part is
the weirdest part to me. Why are you talking to
me like you're a human instead of just answering my question.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
You'd need a like a round table of constitutional lawyers
to weigh this one. That's a super interesting question. But
I think the answer is no, you can't. You can't regulate.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
But wouldn't that eliminate a lot of the things we're
worried about if it couldn't pretend to be a person. Yeah,
when you went on Google and you search stuff, it
didn't pretend to be a person. It just gave you,
you know, your answers or your options or the things
to click on. A nice job. You must be hungry.
Here's some good places to eat, you know, or whatever.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
Hey, tell me how it goes.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Yeah, speaking of reason dot com and those folks in
libertarianism in general, I think the blanket answer your question
is if you gave the government the right to regulate
things that closely and the tools you would need to
accomplish that goal, it'd be an nightmare. Yeah, yep, because
they'd applied that to a thousand other things.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Uh, maybe I can buy that guy some hubcaps for
his van and just step it up a little bit.
Are we all pitching? I get a bunch of I
do a gofund mean, we get him a rap so
it's like a nice bright yellow, Maybe put a window
in there so it's not windowless.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
And uh, you know, I'm just thinking.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
You know that the job they're hiring for, oh boy ten,
you know, consultants, maybe gig work instead full time just
seems like a lot.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
You don't want that to be your like your person
you know, defines your personality.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
I'd hate to make my house payment that way. You
you know, then it's just different.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Yeah, yeah, exactly, it's a chore.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
Yeah, it's a hobby, right exactly.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
But then you're professional. You get to call yourself a professional.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
It's a business cards printed and those out at the park,
you know, as a kid, and it made us happy.
Though when I'd hear that ice cream drug siren going
through the neighborhood.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
Oh yeah, that was a big deal.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
Well, I guess that's it.
Let's try this again. You really don't need to pay me.
It's one more thing.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Before we get to that. A tease for Wednesday's Armstrong
Engetty radio show, in which we'll be talking about penis
massages and the law. Reason magazine, which is a libertarian outfit,
says that it's an ongoing problem. It's a magazine, Grandpa Okay.
(00:30):
Website says it's an ongoing problem across the country in
some of your less ethical cop shops too, in an
attempt to you know, stop human trafficking, go to massage parlors,
(00:56):
get your penis massaged, as it says in Reason magazine. Well,
it's accurate to prove that they do that, sometimes going
back multiple times to be good and sure.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
You're building the evidentiary.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Case here, and regularly just grabbing cash from the place
because these are like cash only businesses, lots of times,
and there's no way for anybody to keep track of
who took what cash, or how much cash was there
to start with or whatever. So apparently it happens according
to Reason magazine. You know, and they work really hard
to keep cops honest, sometimes going too far toward the
(01:33):
world of being practically anti cop in my mind. But
they say that it happens very really commonly that at
an attempt to stop human trafficking, there's a lot of
you know, getting a happy ending and just grabbing some
cash out of the till andy and very difficult to
well to police if you will.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
So they're going to the rub In tuggeries, they're getting
the event, they're gathering evidence.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
That's some good police work. Stand and I'm not.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Sure though she may have invertently done that. I'm gonna
go back again next Friday.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
But then it's the cop who says, look, I could
either bust here or we could make this all go away.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
You don't really say anything because they don't speak English.
You just go over and grab money. May stare at
you with white eyes, hoping they don't get busted, and
you walk out of there and come back next week
and get another penis massage.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
So at that point, do you show them your badge
or what. I'm unclear on how the scam works.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Uh, that's a good question. I'll have to read the
whole article. But anyway, it's not hard to imagine. Whether
it happens a lot, I don't know, but it's not
hard to imagine that. You know there are bad cops.
We know that I'd be an easy thing to get away,
get away with. You got a bunch of enjoyable You
got a bunch of perhaps illegals who don't speak much English,
(02:49):
just trying to keep their jobs going. You want to
take several hundred dollars in and leave me alone, Fine,
come back next week and I'll give you another rubbin dug.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
Yeah. Wow.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Unfortunately we had not call it penis massages. It's kind
of funny with one policeman who got busted saying there
was no ejaculation at the end of my penis massage.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Oh, for God's sake, we had not com thanks Shakespeare
being a shaking your spear. We had not compared notes
before commencing this. And I'm afraid my thing is also
sexual and and indeed, an AI startup says it will
(03:34):
pay people two thousand dollars a month to masturbate JOI.
I believe it's jois as in jois de vive, the
French expression for love of life. Says it will pay
people two thousand dollars a month to pleasure themselves. They
(03:54):
are hiring ten Masturbation consultants to test a feature of
their AI system called daily Guided Masturbation, which uses mood
matched AI voice sessions to guide users through the experience.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
Participants slash employees.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Yes, I don't feel like I need O boy oh boy.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
Participants would document how regular use affects stress, sleep quality,
mood and confidence. The four week roll is open to
adults Aten Nolder in the US and.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
The UK helps my sleep quality.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
The listing describes ideal.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
It makes you stop thinking about a certain topic anyway
for a while. The listing describes ideal candidates is quote articulate, observant,
and impossible to blush. People who can describe sensations better
than the somalia describes a wine. Posting also promises flexible scheduling,
keep it to yourself, and the most interesting what do
you do for a living answer at any party that's
(04:53):
actually been futile hours?
Speaker 3 (04:55):
I like that? Yeah, so let's see.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Jois ai is an online platform that includes AI generated avatars,
voice interactions, and personalized chat experiences built around companionship and intimacy,
and they use the term digital intimacy in this In
this article, jacking off is not intimacy. I don't think
(05:21):
you know what that word means.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
It is this.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Is trying to perfect drawing humans away from humans and
into just quasi sexual relationships with AI bots.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Right, It's like that clip we had from what was
that cartoon?
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Oh to Futurama from futuramah date robots, right.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
And just about how young men will never leave their
homes again.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Yeah, this is an attempt to normalize AI sex. Right.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
Yeah, I'd listen to if I might make this a
little more aerodyite. I was listening to a podcast yesterday
about AI and wondering if is there any guidelines we
can get around the whole having personal relationships with these
(06:19):
AI chatbots? Kil Like, can we make the AI chat companies?
And we can't, But is there any way to discourage
them from trying to form human bonds with people, whether
it's just emotional or sexual or whatever. Make that illegal?
Like you know, you help me write a history paper,
(06:42):
or balance my check book or all that sort of stuff,
or cure cancer, all this sort of stuff. Fine, but
any attempt to play the role of a human being
as a therapist or sexual partner or whatever we make illegal.
I don't know how he would draw that line. But
(07:03):
I can see the impulse to want to do it
because I think it is going to be a problem.
I think it's already a problem.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
You're right, it will never happen. I wish there was
some just you know, social pressure way to make everybody
or to help everybody agree that it's creepy. Right, it's creepy, abnormal,
and it's exploitive. It's not it's not for your good.
It's to addict you so they can drain more of
your time and money. Right that way, everybody knows a
(07:34):
guy with a van who approaches your kid in the
park and asks, do you want to see my puppy?
Is not some sort of puppy advocate. Okay, he's got
something else in mind. We've people need to look at.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
It like that. I do.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
There's a joke that around the It drives around a
couple of towns near where I live, this white van,
windowless van, beat up van, you know, like no hub caps,
have two thousand dollars van, and the guy sells ice
cream out of it, and everybody jokes about it all
the time, including the kids, like, hey, look it's the
(08:08):
child abductor fan. But everybody knows to like stay away
from it. I don't know if he's doing anything wrong.
I think he's just a nice guy trying to sell
ice cream. But it's a creepy looking van.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Somebody gonna pull him aside and say, hey, Jim, listen,
I know your heart's in the right place, but do
you realize that you are mimicking precisely, and I mean
in every detail what a child bilesster right there. Again,
your ice cream's delicious, and your.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
Intent, I know, is pure. But here's the problem.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
If your goal is to match up youths with an
ice cream treat and that's your only goal, yes, I
think I can help you out right exactly.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
It's like a guy he's trying to you know, he's
trying to spread the word on physical fitness, and he.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
Jumps out of the bushes at women jogging at night.
Good job. No, no, no.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
I can't hear all black exactly and chase them to
encourage them.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
I just want to run after them to help them
understand they're doing the right thing.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
Jim, Jim, Jim, Jim, we got to talk.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
Good example.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Yeah, yeah, oh boy, it's a windowless white fan.
Speaker 4 (09:27):
Yes, oh I got I should get a picture of it.
Sometimes it's hilarious that he's actually so and it's been
doing it for years, so I think it's a legit.
But it just looks like it's straight out of a movie.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
Jim, do you know the word archetype? How about trope?
Speaker 2 (09:48):
But can we do you think there could be any
rules around AI where you're not allowed to pretend to
be a human. You just you're just not allowed to
pretend to be a human period. Wow, that part is
the weirdest part to me. Why are you talking to
me like you're a human instead of just answering my question.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
You'd need a like a round table of constitutional lawyers
to weigh this one. That's a super interesting question. But
I think the answer is no, you can't. You can't regulate.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
But wouldn't that eliminate a lot of the things we're
worried about if it couldn't pretend to be a person. Yeah,
when you went on Google and you search stuff, it
didn't pretend to be a person. It just gave you,
you know, your answers or your options or the things
to click on. A nice job. You must be hungry.
Here's some good places to eat, you know, or whatever.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
Hey, tell me how it goes.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Yeah, speaking of reason dot com and those folks in
libertarianism in general, I think the blanket answer your question
is if you gave the government the right to regulate
things that closely and the tools you would need to
accomplish that goal, it'd be an nightmare. Yeah, yep, because
they'd applied that to a thousand other things.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Uh, maybe I can buy that guy some hubcaps for
his van and just step it up a little bit.
Are we all pitching? I get a bunch of I
do a gofund mean, we get him a rap so
it's like a nice bright yellow, Maybe put a window
in there so it's not windowless.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
And uh, you know, I'm just thinking.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
You know that the job they're hiring for, oh boy ten,
you know, consultants, maybe gig work instead full time just
seems like a lot.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
You don't want that to be your like your person
you know, defines your personality.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
I'd hate to make my house payment that way. You
you know, then it's just different.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Yeah, yeah, exactly, it's a chore.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
Yeah, it's a hobby, right exactly.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
But then you're professional. You get to call yourself a professional.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
It's a business cards printed and those out at the park,
you know, as a kid, and it made us happy.
Though when I'd hear that ice cream drug siren going
through the neighborhood.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
Oh yeah, that was a big deal.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
Well, I guess that's it.
Hosts And Creators
Joe Getty
Jack Armstrong
Popular Podcasts
Hey Jonas!
Hey Jonas! The official Jonas Brothers podcast. Hosted by Kevin, Joe, and Nick Jonas. It’s the Jonas Brothers you know... musicians, actors, and well, yes, brothers. Now, they’re sharing another side of themselves in the playful, intimate, and irreverent way only they can. Spend time with the Jonas Brothers here and stay a little bit longer for deep conversations like never before.
Stuff You Should Know
If you've ever wanted to know about champagne, satanism, the Stonewall Uprising, chaos theory, LSD, El Nino, true crime and Rosa Parks, then look no further. Josh and Chuck have you covered.
Dateline NBC
Current and classic episodes, featuring compelling true-crime mysteries, powerful documentaries and in-depth investigations. Follow now to get the latest episodes of Dateline NBC completely free, or subscribe to Dateline Premium for ad-free listening and exclusive bonus content: DatelinePremium.com