August 7, 2026 • 39 mins
As the title says: Pols (Sen. Deb Fischer and incoming gubernatorial contender Brett Lindstrom), a golfer (Ralston's Scott Gutschewski before his opening round at the Pinnacle Bank Championship), and a HOF celebration (Dave Rimington on playing with and Curtis Craig on growing up with Roger Craig ahead of this weekend's induction).
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
So great to have you with us here on Nebraska's
Morning News with Jim Rose, Lucy Chapman, Courtney, Donahoone, Craig Evans.
I'm Scott Voorhees. A pleasure to welcome back here, Nebraska
Senator Dev Fisher too. Eleven ten kfab Senator, do you
wish you were on this Rand Paul committee taking a
vote on doctor Anthony Fauci this morning?
Speaker 2 (00:21):
You know, I think it's an interesting watch. I've had
the TV. I'm here in my office watching it, and
I think all the Republicans are going to take care
of him. But it would be it would be fun
to have been on the committee to listen to and
plead the fifth one hundred and eleven times.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Yeah, it's it's a little bit of a dog and
pony show all the way around here this morning, but
we're keeping an eye on it. The President has told Iran, look,
this is your eleventh last chance to not get blown
to Kingdom. Come here in Iran. What is your of
how things are going over there and the impact it's
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having here at home.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
I think it's important that we make and have a
nuclear weapon. You know, that was the President's reason for
going in there to take out their navy, to take
out the ballistic missiles, to take out their capabilities. I
wish it it would end. I wish there would be
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a decisive vent to it. But we need to make
sure that they can't get a nuclear weapon. They are
a threat to this country and security of the world.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
Jim Rose, Senator, you've got a stack of stuff. That's
what Leader Thune had to say yesterday. First of all,
are you guys going to recess after this weekend or
will you stay in DC until all of the work
is done.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Well, you know, on the schedule, we were supposed to
get out today, but we've got a lot of work
to do, and I can tell you Republicans are united
in saying we need to stay here and do it.
We've got to make sure we get a continuing resolution
passed and fund the government into December. We need to
make sure that we can address a number of bills,
(02:11):
including voter security, voter ID use. So there's there's a
lot to do here and Republicans want to want to
be able to get it done. To be honest with you,
you know, we had some talk at our lunch yesterday
about cutting short the recess as well, and coming back
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after Labor Day. They're scheduled to be two weeks in September.
Off you know where. I'm all for that. My colleagues
all seem for that as well. To get back here
early too, so we can get some things done before
the election.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
One of the bills is the Protect College Sports Act,
and you spoke out about this a week ago after
a lot of work trying to get the Big Ten
and the SEC on board. There are a lot of
components to it. Maybe you'll have a vote on it
today or tomorrow because Leader Thun ended the filibuster filed
for cloture yesterday. Most this is a bipartisan bill. I
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can't imagine you'll get a filibuster on it. But the
question is if people break the rules. This is a
federal law now. It puts a salary cap on what
athletes can be paid. If other schools, like say Oregon
or Ohio State, exceed the cap, are people.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
Going to jail.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Well, if they're breaking the law, there has to be
enforcement of the law. I can tell you that this
is a bill we had in Commerce Committee. I'm on
Commerce Committee and I worked hard with the university in
Nebraska with Troy with doctor Gold to figure out what
our university he need, not just the Big ten or
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the SEC, but what did our university need. And I
was able to get some things into the base bill
that we passed out of the committee. I'm happy to
see Big ten support now across board and SEC support.
I think that will help with the passage of the bill.
Speaker 5 (04:08):
But I think all of.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Us agree, except maybe you, Jim, But I think I think, well,
we'll agree that college sports there needs to be some
guardrails put up or we aren't going to see college
sports be what I would hope we would be what
it's been in the past. I don't think it's healthy
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to watch student athletes have the ability to move every year.
It's not fair to the rest of the team that
you've got people who can move every year because they
can get a better, more money, better deal at another institution.
It's not fair to the coaches. How do you form
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a team when you've got guys going in and out
all the time. So I think this is it's a solution.
Speaker 6 (05:01):
Is it the best I.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Don't know, But I'm trying to work with the university
and the athletic department in finding out with Nebraska Onston.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
Senator Deb Fisher, appreciate the time as always, Thank you
very much for being with us.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Here, you bet, thank you all right.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
That is Deb Fisher here on Nebraska's Morning News. I
know you've got more to say. Hang on a second.
I can't hang on.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
I can't complain about something that hasn't happened yet.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
Let me read it and then complain about it.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
I think it's got some good components to it, but
we don't know what the final bill looks like.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
The Pinnacle Bank Championship is a lot of fun, the golf,
the nightlife. Scotty McCrary is playing out there this weekend,
a great voice and country music and oh yeah, there's
really impressive golf as well. If you want to watch
some of the local guys, you have some opportunity. In fact,
right now, Omaha's Luke Gocewski is on the course. I
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believe he just teed off on number ten to start
his round for first round of the Pinnacle Bank Championship
at the Club at Indian Creek. Scott Vorhees here with
Jim Rose, Craig Evans, Lucy Chapman. Thank you for being
with US on Nebraska's Morning News and now welcoming to
news radio eleven ten kfab as someone is teeing off
on number one at one fifteen today Omaha Zone Scott
(06:19):
Kichwski at A. Ralston and the University of Nebraska, Scottie,
good morning.
Speaker 5 (06:25):
Good morning.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
So does it kill you a little bit not to
be able to go out there and watch your son
because you got your own tournament to play starting this afternoon.
Speaker 5 (06:35):
It's an interesting situation that's probably a little bit unique
to this house for.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
The most part, How have how's the house been managing
as now? It's it's been a really great story. A
few years ago, a couple of years ago, as you
and two of your sons were paired together in the
first two rounds, as Luke out of Iowa State, and
then Trevor, the US Junior Amateur Champion, were all paired together,
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you famously approached them on the first t shook their
hands and asked them where they were staying that night
while they were in town. Welcome to the tour boys.
But since then you and Luke are both competing on
the Corn Faery Tour and have been doing so all season.
So it's a nice novelty, but is it starting to
wear off and you guys are just going about your business.
Speaker 5 (07:22):
Now at best, I'm like a part time corn Fairy
guy at the moment. You know, the days are definitely
running out on my corn fairy career and maybe had
some champions Tour stuff in the future for me if
it works out. But yeah, I mean, you know, when
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we're at the same event, we play practice a rounds together,
we usually get an airbnb together and eat together. But yeah,
then when it comes to tournament time, we kind of
gotta both kind of take care of our business in
our own ways and do what's best for us. It
seems to work out a little better for him than me.
Speaker 4 (08:02):
He's having a good year, Yeah he is.
Speaker 5 (08:04):
He's having a he's having a phenomenal year from from
where he was a year and a half ago, just
getting done in aims. So very proud of him and
as I am of all of my children. But yeah,
I mean, it's it's been a lot of fun. It's
a unique opportunity for us to get to kind of
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travel together a little bit and then work together. So yeah,
it's been really cool.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
So when you play with your sons, do you guys
have a little side bets, you know, like ten dollars
NASA here and there that nobody else knows about just
you guys.
Speaker 5 (08:40):
Not too bad. We pretty much just played for bragging, right,
which I used to get a lot of them, and
now I very rarely get them, so I kind of
have to I kind of have to talk a little
bit more and try to get in their heads more
to be competitive with them, because they're both much better
than I am. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
Well, I've just been talking to Trevor a couple of
years ago. I asked him who's the best player, and
he demurred, So we'll give you the shot, Scott.
Speaker 4 (09:07):
Who's the best player? Isaac?
Speaker 5 (09:11):
I know, I know, Yeah, yeah, maybe Isaiah Isaiah Party. Yeah,
if you ask him, I definitely know. Between Luke, Trevor
and myself, I definitely know that I'm third.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
Ah, well, that's a shame.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
And then Isaiah's bringing up the rear there. He just
won one of those putt, chip and drive competitions here recently.
I saw that on social media. But it's been a
fun few years for your family as you beat a
kid in a playoff on the corn Ferry Tour who
was about Luke's age, and then Trevor wins the US
Junior Amateur, first Nebraska to do that since a guy
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named Johnny Goodman. Luke Achski's making cut after cut on
the corn Ferry Tour. You guys are playing together an
awful lot. So it's it's been fun, but you kind
of sound like you're saying, you know, sun's setting on
my career except for that Champions Tour. Let's not forget
the Champions Tour is pretty lucrative. It's pretty pretty lucrative.
(10:13):
You ask Steven Alkers, caddy who's here in Omaha. He's
doing pretty well. And there aren't a lot of guys
that came out of your class about twenty five or
so years ago to join his rookies on the PGA
Tour who are still out there competing. Scott, where do
you rank what you've done and been able to continue
to do in professional golf, whereas a lot of those
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guys have started with you, they're you know, cleaning guy's
shoes next to porterhouse in the Caddy Shaka locker room.
Speaker 5 (10:44):
Yeah, I don't know, you know, it's hard hard to say.
You know, some guys have are not playing anymore for
various reasons. Hard hard to say for myself. You know,
I've been really good at I've been really good at
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getting my card. I've been very persistent. I've been really
poor at keeping my card on the big tour, but
I've been very persistent. I think that's probably the strongest
part of my approach to the game, probably maybe more
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so than logic would say to be. But that's part
of the deal. I mean, that's part of the deal
of doing something that the odds are against you. So yeah,
but I mean yeah, I mean I would love to
try to play the Champions Tour. It would be fun.
I love to play. I love to compete. It just
kind of comes to how much can your body take.
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So and I've definitely had a few struggles with that
through the years. Not complaining by any means, but yeah,
sometimes sometimes it hurts to play, so you try to
try to minimize that.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
Well, we need to get we need to right this wrong.
There's not a single sign heading into Ralston, Nebraska. That's
his home with the golf and gokis who do we
need to.
Speaker 5 (12:12):
Call Gosh, I'm not sure.
Speaker 4 (12:17):
Mayor don Gross Do you need to win? Do you
need to win a major before we get that done.
Something like that.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
Well, again, only only Scott and his wife are Ralston Knights.
His kids started graduating from all sorts of others, but Boston.
Speaker 4 (12:31):
Needs the Goks.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Oh yeah, the tap Root is in Ralston, Nebraska, and
this weekend at the club at Eating and Creek, Scott,
good luck in your first couple of rounds, and we,
of course always the Omaha Loves come out and watch
you play golf on the weekend, and hopefully it would
be just really really fun if you and Luke both
finished the first couple of rounds at the same score
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and managed to play Saturday or Sunday together.
Speaker 4 (12:56):
Good luck and we'll.
Speaker 5 (12:57):
See you this week, all right, thank you guys.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Is that is Scott Kachwski, a class of nineteen ninety
five Ralston High School and then graduate from the University
of Nebraska. We knew Scott in high school was a
pretty good golfer. We didn't know he'd be twenty five
plus years on a tour a good golfer.
Speaker 4 (13:16):
He has had a heck of a career.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
Well we don't know is how many dining room tables
they've gone through in that house with guys chipping balls,
you know, trying to you know, chip the ball over
the dining room table in the dining room into the cup.
Speaker 4 (13:28):
A lot of damage drywall in that house.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
Yeah, we don't know how much furniture they've gone through,
how much drywall they've gone through, how many lawn services
needed to replace divots, all that good stuff.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
Love hanging out with you on Big Red Radio and
welcome back Legends of the Game to talk about other
legends of the game. Jim Rose, you want to set
this up for.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
Us, Well, I don't know about the class of nineteen
seventy nine, the recruiting class of nineteen seventy nine, nineteen
eighty Dave Remington, but there was a little bit of
material in it. One of them's going into the NFL
Hall of Fame. Your Craig tomorrow. Your thoughts about a
former teammate reaching the pinnacle of the profession.
Speaker 6 (14:07):
Well, I think it's awesome. You know that Jamie Williams,
his teammate at Davenport Central, will be introducing Roger Tomile.
And those two guys came in the same year I did,
and you know, we went through a lot and Rogers
was always guy with a smile on his face and
ready to work hard. Just just a great teammate.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
I was thinking about it yesterday and I can only
imagine what that huddle look like.
Speaker 4 (14:32):
Okay, you guys are in the huddle.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
You got two Outland Trophy winners on the offensive line.
You've got a future first round draft choice at wingback.
You've got a Heisman Trophy winner at high back. You've
got now an NFL Hall of Famer at fullback, and
maybe the most versatile quarterback in the history of the
program at quarterback. How did anybody stop you guys?
Speaker 7 (14:54):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (14:55):
I mean I look at that roster, and if you
look at the draft the year after I left, I
think Dean serving Friar was number one and Dean Steinkuler
was number two in the whole NFL draft, and I
don't I think that's only happened a couple of times. Well,
we got the first two picks come from the same school.
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So I mean that was that that that whole roster
was quoted.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
Did you know, do you guys know how good you
were on the freshman team.
Speaker 6 (15:27):
Well, you know, Roger, I'm sure wasn't on the freshman
freshman team because I wasn't on the freshman team.
Speaker 7 (15:31):
We were.
Speaker 6 (15:32):
We were sent up, which was a big deal back
in the day when they had that old Oh they
had the locker room on one side for the freshman
and the guys who were kind of getting going up
with the program, and they had the varsity locker room.
We were sent to the boss varsity locker room pretty
early in our careers, and so you know, we were
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kind of it was quite a big deal that you
sent over there. Because he spent some time in the
freshman loser room, it looks like I doneon that pretty bad.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
Albert says that you guys were so low on the
total poll that your practice jerseys didn't even have an
N on them when you were freshmen.
Speaker 7 (16:12):
Yeah, that's that's true.
Speaker 6 (16:13):
I mean that freshman team they had he was great.
Speaker 7 (16:16):
I mean, we they end up. That was pretty good deal.
Speaker 6 (16:18):
They'd play UNO every year and they do a lot
of things and play different junior colleges and stuff. That
was they got a chance to play some football at freshman.
Speaker 7 (16:28):
That was nice.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
Talk about Roger and in particular that that kind of
Dowur moment for him when when Tom said I need
you to move to fullback. What was Roger's reaction, What
was the reaction in the locker room when that happened.
Speaker 6 (16:40):
Well, I mean it's been a long time, but I
don't remember anything change. I mean, it had the crush
him because he was one of the best. I think
it was one thousand yard runner two years in a row.
Speaker 4 (16:50):
He was.
Speaker 6 (16:51):
And then and then we had that bad stricking eighty
one where we started. Uh, he's from Davenport, which is
a quad city, which real close to Eye University of
and uh, you know, we had that rough game and
you know that that was the first game of the
season and they ended up beating us and your previous
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I think we beat him pretty battly, and so it
was just a big shot to everybody. And then uh,
Mike were here, came in and uh and really took
took over the iback position and they and they moved
Roger to pull back, which had to be disappointing for him.
But you know, I don't remember him, you know, causing
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a scene. He was just you know, he took whatever
came and he didn't with a clout on the States
and worked hard, and you know, he was just a
good teammates, and both both him and Jamie both were
great teammates. When I think of one, I think of
the other. They was like pretty inseparable during the first
couple of years in college.
Speaker 7 (17:54):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (17:54):
Great players, great people, and I mean Midwestern work ethic. Uh,
I mean it was it was just really good teammates.
That's all I can say about that.
Speaker 4 (18:04):
Have you played in the NFL too?
Speaker 3 (18:06):
Roger was a remarkably good NFL performer, thirteen thousand yards
from scrimmage in his eleven year career. Why did it
take so long for him to get into.
Speaker 4 (18:16):
The Hall of Fame?
Speaker 6 (18:19):
I had no idea. I mean, the thing is that
he went to three different teams, so he was a
San Francisco and then he went to the Raiders and
they went to Minnesota. So sometimes, you know, I don't
remember a lot of those other two years, and which
you know, it's your last few years of really being
a lot. And he was a true double threat. He
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could catch the ball, which we didn't know at Nebraska
at all. I mean, because he never got a chance
to catch the ball. I mean he was running, you know,
tosses and stuff, but you know, it wasn't until he
got in the West Coast offense with Bill Walsh and
Bill Mott Canna. Because the West Coast offense would also
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run at Cincinnati with the Sam Wise that the running
back was a lot of time was the checkdown guy,
and so he probably you know, he started off checkdown
with Joe Montana, who's a smart player who when he
doesn't have an open receiver will just hit his checkdown.
And if you have a guy like Roger in the platte,
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he could he could make you know, get your first
downs and he could keep you moving down the field.
So I think the West Coast offense was up just
a tremendous fit ground because of the quarterback. They had
a smart quarterback and didn't forced the ball and got
him the ball into the flat by himself, and he
would just you know, with that he had that high
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knee run that would be a pretty famous.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
After a while.
Speaker 6 (19:49):
Uh. And I think thinking that's where he got it
in his group. But it took a while because I
think it's you didn't hear too much when he was
in Minnesota or or the the Raiders, so sometimes it
takes a while. It's a tough thing to get into.
I mean at Hall of Fame things. It's really tough,
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really tough one.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
It's great that he's going in. So he's great talking
to you, Dave. Swing by Omaha, the old hometown. I'm
sure you're still welcome in some South Omaha bars, you know.
I'm sure your picture is still up on the wall
in a couple of places.
Speaker 6 (20:25):
Yeah, it might be out the candle light or something
like that.
Speaker 7 (20:29):
There's been a few.
Speaker 6 (20:29):
Places that I used to frequent, but yeah, I appreciate
talking to you guys, and hopefully you have a great season.
We got justin Evans and the yeah as a possible
watch listory, which is good.
Speaker 7 (20:41):
It's a good sign.
Speaker 6 (20:42):
Anytime you get your center in there that you might
you know, it's bodes well for the team.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
So we'll see, Okay, buddy, Dave Remington, number fifty, Hall
of Famer, best center in the history of college football,
no doubt about it. Teammate of Roger Craig with us
on eleven ten k.
Speaker 8 (20:59):
Patiently quarterback turns tosses to Craig running the right side.
He broke a tackle. He's in the thirty, the thirty five,
the forty, the forty five.
Speaker 7 (21:07):
The fifty.
Speaker 8 (21:08):
He's in the forty five, the forty, the thirty five,
the thirty, he's in the twenty, he's in the fifteen.
He's on the eleven and downy gold Man, woman and child.
What a run of that kid is?
Speaker 1 (21:20):
That's Lyle Brems are on the call here on eleven
ten kfab Jim rows right there, I'm Scott Vorhees. This
is Nebraska's Morning News. You're talking about a guy who's
a very talented runner. And you look at the back
of that jersey and it's got number thirty three and
Craig on there. You can only be talking about Curtis Craig, right.
I guess Roger was all right too, your brother was okay,
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but you were really the man right number the thirty three.
Speaker 4 (21:44):
Curtis Craig joins us here.
Speaker 7 (21:48):
Good morning.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
So is that the deal when he went to the
niners instead of twenty one? Did he just take your
number and say this is an homage to Curtis because
he's my man?
Speaker 7 (21:59):
Yeah, Well there's a story behind all that too. The
story is that I wored thirty three in high school,
and so my jersey was retired in high school. So
what he wanted to do is bring it out a
retirement when he got to the NFL.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
Well, that says all people need to know about Roger Craig,
in addition to the thirteen thousand yards that he generated
from scrimmage as a member of the San Francisco forty
nine ers. Curtis is with Roger in Canton, Ohio for
the ceremony tomorrow. Tell us about tell us about what's
in your heart and in your mind and in your emotions.
Your ninety one year old mother will be there too, Curtis,
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what does this mean for your family?
Speaker 7 (22:45):
It's an honor and we're just so proud of him
and all his accomplishment. But it is so emotional, and
it's really wards. Can't really explain how fantastic this whole
thing is is gonna be. So we're just so happy.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
Tell us about something. Tell us something about Roger that
most don't know.
Speaker 7 (23:10):
Well I don't know. I mean is uh, he's only
only really played in high school. He only played like
really his senior year and uh, because he broke his
leg his junior year, so he missed a whole year.
And I know, people really I don't know about that.
So uh, he had a fantastic senior year. Which you know,
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gave him the possibility to play at Nebraska. So in
just a hard work and I think that's what you know,
people don't know about that that he had that injury
that you know, could have he could have just you
know not even though continued to play football, but he
kept working harder and it worked out for him.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
So, yeah, he was obviously a great football player in
high school and college in the NFL, but he played
a lot of sports. Was football his best sport?
Speaker 7 (24:00):
Well, well, it's hard, it's hard to say. He was
a great track man too. He was a great hurdler.
You know, he ran the one twenty highs. He was
he was very he took second estate, you know in
that he also wrestled. He also wrestled in high school
and qualified for the state tournament. So so football was
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just one of the three things that he could do.
He was really good a lot of things.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
So what's it been like in Canton, Ohio this week?
I suppose the whirlwind of activities. How have you been
involved in what's happened in this last day or two
ending into tomorrow.
Speaker 7 (24:39):
Oh man, it's like a whirlwind. I mean it's like
a dream come true for for him and for our family.
So yeah, I just it's really like a dream kind
of thing. You know. It's like it's like, is this
really happening? I mean, it's real, but but it's been
a great thing for our family and those who that
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we know closed and I'm sure a lot of his
friends and other friends. So it's it's just been fantastic. Man.
It's like, wow, it is just really happening.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
Now your mom is still I mean Davenport, Iowa. The
Craig family represented one percent of the entire population of Davenport, Iowa,
because there were eight kids. Uh and you know, your
mom and dad came up from Preston, Mississippi for jobs
in the factories along the Mississippi River. Are there any
Craig still left in Davenport and can Nebraska football expect
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to get another one here before too long?
Speaker 7 (25:34):
Yes? My I still have a brother who and a
sister who still lives. There are two sisters who's still there,
you know, but at this time this, you know, most
of the kids are you know, doing other things. They're
not really involved in athletics. So this, if anything, would
be some of you know, some some great nieces or
something great nephews that might be able to, you know,
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do something that they put their minds to it. So
right now is just right now. I just no one
right now is going to be doing anything right in
his future right.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
Now, Okay, Curtis, Congratulations to Roger and to your family,
and to your incredible mother who must just be bringing
with pride today because of all of the things that
her children have accomplished and enjoy this weekend and taking
every minute.
Speaker 4 (26:18):
We're all excited.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
Any one of us who ever tried to high step
through all of his friends out there in some field
anywhere in Nebraska growing up, trying to emulate your brother,
We're all very proud today. Curtis. Congratulations to you guys.
This is Nebraska's Morning News. Really appreciate you being here
with us. Jim Rose, Craig Evans, Lucy Chapman, Courtney Donahoe.
I'm Scott Vhees Scott at kfab dot com as the
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email address here in the Zonker's custom was inbox, and
we'll start off for a conversation with former Nebraska State
Senator Bret Linstrom, who has now put forth the signatures
to appear as an independent on the as nonpartisan as
a non partisan in the governor's race in Nebraska this November.
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We'll start off the conversation with this email, Brett, and
you probably have seen this coming. This one comes from
Captain America that says, ask Brett Linstrom, please, how he's
gonna feel when he's the reason Nebraska has a commie
leftist governor Lynn Walls.
Speaker 4 (27:19):
Good morning, Brett.
Speaker 9 (27:20):
That sounds like Captain America might say, yes, well, thanks,
glad to be back in studio.
Speaker 4 (27:25):
You know, it's interesting all the different feedback.
Speaker 9 (27:27):
I've been accused by both sides of being a spoiler
or you're coming in you're going to help this side
or the other.
Speaker 4 (27:34):
That's not how these races work.
Speaker 9 (27:36):
I mean, I think people look at this on a
linear model and think, well, it's just tug a war,
and that's not how the races tend to go. I mean,
if you look at the electorate in Nebraska, you have
twenty six percent registered Democrat, you have twenty two percent
registered nonpartisan, about forty eight percent Republican, then you have
two percent sprinkled in there with libertarian and Marijuana Party.
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For the math of it, she would have to get
one of the Democrats pick up a significant amount of
nonpartisan and pull some Republicans that that's just not going
to happen in this race. Lynn has a record. There's
a lot of money that will be spent by the
pill and campaign against Lynn, and I'm assuming myself.
Speaker 4 (28:19):
Now he has a history of that.
Speaker 9 (28:22):
Well, yes, it goes back about four years where they
spent a lot against me. But she's just not going
to get a lot of traction. And you can look
at historically on different races in different states, how these
three way races play out. And from what I've the
numbers I've run, you're looking at the best she can
do is probably in the low twenties, probably high teens.
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And I think this race will come down to in
a three way Yeah, in a two way race, still
can't win. And in fact, I've had all the people
and I've had hundreds of conversations over the last seven
eight months, not one person has said Lynn Wallas can
win the race. And this wasn't a politic This isn't
a political thing for me. There's no spoiler, been very
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transparent about.
Speaker 4 (29:06):
All of this.
Speaker 9 (29:07):
I feel that the state is in trouble. We're going
to have a billion dollar deficit here in October. There's
a litany of things that have happened over the last
three and a half years. And I've again gotten a
lot of calls from different people, different associations and groups
and across the political spectrum and even current state senators
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former state senators, and I feel it's the right thing
to do to do this and put Nebraska back on track,
pour ourselves out of this mess that we're in, and
ultimately grow. And the idea is to build Nebraska, grow Nebraska.
If we do that, we can accomplish a lot of
these things. And so I created the Nebraska Doctrine Nebraska
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Doctrine dot com, and you can see exactly what this
looks like, both from a governing philosophy and policy framework.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
Well, seven or eight months ago, you were a Republican
seek the primary win in the second district congressional race.
You and Branker Harding were in that race, and then
you dropped out. You dropped your affiliation as a Republican.
So now you've got the signatures to appear as nonpartisan
on the governor's ballot. But you said in this process
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that if you chose to be on the ballot. A
lot of people are wondering what exactly you're angling for
here and whether you're actually going to appear on the
ballot in November. How serious you are about this?
Speaker 4 (30:30):
Oh, very serious about it.
Speaker 9 (30:32):
I'll find out from the Secretary of State's office, hopefully
next week on the signatures we collected fifty seven and
thirty five in two weeks. You know, they'll send it
back to each Election Commission and all the counties. They
count them and bring them back and say we're authorized.
I need four thousand total, seven to fifty in each
congressional district. So I feel good about what we were
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able to do in two weeks, not a yeah, it's.
Speaker 4 (30:56):
I've never that's impressive. Well, I've never done that before.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
You got five thousand signatures seventy seven thousand square miles
in two weeks.
Speaker 4 (31:02):
That's pretty good. It was.
Speaker 9 (31:04):
Yeah, it was a lot of work, big undertaking something
that again never done before. But when I switched a nonpartisan,
and there was a lot of reasons for that. I mean, one,
I just am not comfortable with where things are at
politically right now. I think from I would argue in
our lifetimes, we haven't seen the political division that we
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are experiencing right now. And the day that I did
switch non partisan, I had probably fifty different texts and
calls from people that you would all know.
Speaker 4 (31:36):
On both sides of the aisle.
Speaker 9 (31:38):
And it got me thinking about where I was already
at presently and why I did it, but started to
think about what can be, what can we do as
a state, how can we set ourselves apart both in
the way that our leaders act but also in how
the policy and what that looks like. So that's where
the doctrine, Nebraska doctrine came from, and I started to
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put pen to paper, had many many conversations and coffees
and lunches and all the things that you do. And
it was through that process that and the encouragement of others,
that I said, you know, I'm going to do this.
Let's burn the boat, and we're going to do this
because Nebraska is in trouble and I don't see us
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being able to pull ourselves out of this under the
pillared administration. And if you look at the legislative races,
it's going to be a mixed bag down at the legislature.
Speaker 3 (32:29):
He may not get thirty three, he may not have
thirty three, which is a filibuster proof, but even thirty
three hasn't gotten everything done because there've always been an outlier.
But let's talk about the billion dollar deficit. It came
about because largely the governor funded schools, added another fifteen
hundred kids per school, and he added another four hundred
million into the property tax relief fund. That is a
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giant bucket with a giant hole at the bottom, and
we just keep pouring more money into it. If you
take that billion dollars away, the deficit goes away. But
this is what keeps people's property taxes from going up
six every year. So what do we so if the
plan is we got to eliminate the deficit which goes
because somebody's ox gets gored under the Lenstrum administration, which one.
Speaker 9 (33:13):
It doesn't actually because it takes time and it takes growth.
And there's the framework is set up with stability. To
your point, on the property tax side of things, if
you don't tackle valuation, you don't tackle property tax. And
so you can throw money down this Educational Future Fund,
which is now climbing and will climb to a billion
dollars that's going to become insolvent at some point the
cash reserve. That's what he took to do that. But
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if you don't tackle valuation, it doesn't fix. So we
will get spikes again and that's going to happen. Well yeah, ye,
and property and so the plan, under my plan, we
address that. There's a rolling We're going to do a
rolling average in the San Nebraska. That's what's called a
uniformity clause. So we have to keep residential, commercial, and
the ag the same. And with a rolling average, we
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will not get the spikes. And one of the parts
of the plan is to address agriculture land and work
to put as a net income or an income driver
versus just market value.
Speaker 4 (34:09):
Not all land and ag is the same. Right, you
got pasture and you got Roe crump.
Speaker 9 (34:14):
And this is a plan over the ten twelve years
as part of the doctrine, and we're going to phase
it in. We don't do tax increases, we don't do
exemption eliminations.
Speaker 4 (34:21):
We don't have to.
Speaker 9 (34:22):
And Pilling, what they've done is they've gone they've spent
far above what their inflows were. Expenditures are above inflows.
Speaker 3 (34:29):
Because he cut the property tax, the income tax, he
cut the income tax that well.
Speaker 4 (34:35):
They took phased in. Well they phased in, but they
took the guardrails off after we left.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
That's all right, policy nerds, Brett. I don't know that
there's anything you can say that's going to convince me
that you don't end up splitting a more conservative vote
with Governor Jim Pillen, and that that has Lynn Walls
very very excited in terms of her prospects for being
the next governor of Nebraska. Un Less, and this is
what I'm wondering, if there's some behind the scenes conversation.
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There have certainly been some accusations made by including Nebraska's
state auditor Mike Foley, that perhaps Jim Pillen has some controversies,
some issues, and there might be something that comes up
between now an election day that might get him out
of the race, make him less popular, or cause him
to resign his office. Is that part of your thinking
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in why you've jumped into this race.
Speaker 9 (35:29):
No, and again, I've heard all the tinfoil conspiracies about this.
I just don't think people understand quite They want to
put me in this box.
Speaker 4 (35:40):
There's no box.
Speaker 9 (35:41):
This is all about eliminating to the extent that I
can this political division and saying Nebraska can do better.
I know we can do better, and here's the plan
to do better. As this plays out, you're just gonna
see there's a lot of blue dog Democrats out there
that are frustrated with their party. Right There's a lot
of Republicans that are frustrated with the Republicans right now.
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This is what I would call the sometimes sixty percent,
sometimes eighty percent. But this is what it is. It's
governing for eighty percent. We're not I'm not talking to
the ten percent on either side that's just going to
be rattling sabers every day all day and don't really
care about doing things. This is about getting things done,
about putting Nebraska in a position to create stability but
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ultimately to grow. And as a nonpartisan running I can
work with the legislature no matter what a outcome is
and focus on what we do and that's a marketable thing.
Speaker 4 (36:36):
Right.
Speaker 9 (36:37):
I can go out and Nebraska can be unique. It
can be this lighthouse in the middle of the storm
and this chaos and go recruit businesses. Go say and
I've heard pill and say this. We don't want new
business here.
Speaker 3 (36:49):
That's a problem and the context was that he wanted
to do enhance opportunities for existing businesses, but he did
say that yes.
Speaker 9 (36:56):
So this idea is to create stability both in the
political environment but also in the structure of Nebraska and
to drive to drive growth. You know, I in my
mind and what I believe is I'm doing what's right
because it's what people I with all the conversations I have,
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want to see a change, want to see something different.
They're tired of the noise, they're tired of the political division.
And again, it's not a tug of war. There's going
to be some Democrats who come on board with this.
There's going to be I think a lot of Republicans
who are disenfranchised with what's going on, and that coalition
could be thirty eight, thirty nine, forty percent. You know, again, Lynn,
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with the numbers twenty six percent Democrats, she's not going
to get a lot of Republican crossover, very little.
Speaker 3 (37:44):
No, but she could get Democrats that have sat out
gubernatorial races because this is as close as they've come
since the mid nineteen nineties, and it's an off year election.
Speaker 4 (37:56):
But you're only still talking about twenty years.
Speaker 3 (37:57):
Six year number I think do better than that. But
the number I want to ask you, Bretton, well, you
can come back anytime between now on the election. What's
it going to take forty one percent to win this?
Speaker 4 (38:11):
Forty two? Forty one depends on it.
Speaker 9 (38:13):
So if Lynn were to get eighteen percent, it would
come down to pillin and I have thirty eight. Okay,
you know you got you got another candidate on there
and usually get a weed guy will get two percent.
There you go, it's about two percent. Now I've seen
internal polling. Pilling is in danger territory when it comes
to that, I know, just nationally is I think forty
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seventh out of fiftieth ranked out of the governor's that
you know, is that the main focus here?
Speaker 4 (38:41):
No, it's not.
Speaker 9 (38:42):
It's people are going to vote for for a solution.
They're going to vote for a candidate, and there has
to be a plan. If it was just running because
anti pilling, what good is that. I'm not I'm not
going to run as hey, I'm the anti pilling guy.
It's yeah, there's a lot of problems that have been
created under the ministration, but there has to be a plan.
That's what the Nebraska doctrine dot com is
Speaker 1 (38:59):
Well, get your name on the ballot and come back
and talk to us again, all right, Which is a
former Nebraska state Senator Brett Linstrom, who very well might
be on the ballot in November as a nonpartisan candidate
for governor of Nebraska, joining us here in Nebraska's morning
news
So great to have you with us here on Nebraska's
Morning News with Jim Rose, Lucy Chapman, Courtney, Donahoone, Craig Evans.
I'm Scott Voorhees. A pleasure to welcome back here, Nebraska
Senator Dev Fisher too. Eleven ten kfab Senator, do you
wish you were on this Rand Paul committee taking a
vote on doctor Anthony Fauci this morning?
Speaker 2 (00:21):
You know, I think it's an interesting watch. I've had
the TV. I'm here in my office watching it, and
I think all the Republicans are going to take care
of him. But it would be it would be fun
to have been on the committee to listen to and
plead the fifth one hundred and eleven times.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Yeah, it's it's a little bit of a dog and
pony show all the way around here this morning, but
we're keeping an eye on it. The President has told Iran, look,
this is your eleventh last chance to not get blown
to Kingdom. Come here in Iran. What is your of
how things are going over there and the impact it's
(01:02):
having here at home.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
I think it's important that we make and have a
nuclear weapon. You know, that was the President's reason for
going in there to take out their navy, to take
out the ballistic missiles, to take out their capabilities. I
wish it it would end. I wish there would be
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a decisive vent to it. But we need to make
sure that they can't get a nuclear weapon. They are
a threat to this country and security of the world.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
Jim Rose, Senator, you've got a stack of stuff. That's
what Leader Thune had to say yesterday. First of all,
are you guys going to recess after this weekend or
will you stay in DC until all of the work
is done.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Well, you know, on the schedule, we were supposed to
get out today, but we've got a lot of work
to do, and I can tell you Republicans are united
in saying we need to stay here and do it.
We've got to make sure we get a continuing resolution
passed and fund the government into December. We need to
make sure that we can address a number of bills,
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including voter security, voter ID use. So there's there's a
lot to do here and Republicans want to want to
be able to get it done. To be honest with you,
you know, we had some talk at our lunch yesterday
about cutting short the recess as well, and coming back
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after Labor Day. They're scheduled to be two weeks in September.
Off you know where. I'm all for that. My colleagues
all seem for that as well. To get back here
early too, so we can get some things done before
the election.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
One of the bills is the Protect College Sports Act,
and you spoke out about this a week ago after
a lot of work trying to get the Big Ten
and the SEC on board. There are a lot of
components to it. Maybe you'll have a vote on it
today or tomorrow because Leader Thun ended the filibuster filed
for cloture yesterday. Most this is a bipartisan bill. I
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can't imagine you'll get a filibuster on it. But the
question is if people break the rules. This is a
federal law now. It puts a salary cap on what
athletes can be paid. If other schools, like say Oregon
or Ohio State, exceed the cap, are people.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
Going to jail.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Well, if they're breaking the law, there has to be
enforcement of the law. I can tell you that this
is a bill we had in Commerce Committee. I'm on
Commerce Committee and I worked hard with the university in
Nebraska with Troy with doctor Gold to figure out what
our university he need, not just the Big ten or
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the SEC, but what did our university need. And I
was able to get some things into the base bill
that we passed out of the committee. I'm happy to
see Big ten support now across board and SEC support.
I think that will help with the passage of the bill.
Speaker 5 (04:08):
But I think all of.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Us agree, except maybe you, Jim, But I think I think, well,
we'll agree that college sports there needs to be some
guardrails put up or we aren't going to see college
sports be what I would hope we would be what
it's been in the past. I don't think it's healthy
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to watch student athletes have the ability to move every year.
It's not fair to the rest of the team that
you've got people who can move every year because they
can get a better, more money, better deal at another institution.
It's not fair to the coaches. How do you form
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a team when you've got guys going in and out
all the time. So I think this is it's a solution.
Speaker 6 (05:01):
Is it the best I.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Don't know, But I'm trying to work with the university
and the athletic department in finding out with Nebraska Onston.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
Senator Deb Fisher, appreciate the time as always, Thank you
very much for being with us.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Here, you bet, thank you all right.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
That is Deb Fisher here on Nebraska's Morning News. I
know you've got more to say. Hang on a second.
I can't hang on.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
I can't complain about something that hasn't happened yet.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
Let me read it and then complain about it.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
I think it's got some good components to it, but
we don't know what the final bill looks like.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
The Pinnacle Bank Championship is a lot of fun, the golf,
the nightlife. Scotty McCrary is playing out there this weekend,
a great voice and country music and oh yeah, there's
really impressive golf as well. If you want to watch
some of the local guys, you have some opportunity. In fact,
right now, Omaha's Luke Gocewski is on the course. I
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believe he just teed off on number ten to start
his round for first round of the Pinnacle Bank Championship
at the Club at Indian Creek. Scott Vorhees here with
Jim Rose, Craig Evans, Lucy Chapman. Thank you for being
with US on Nebraska's Morning News and now welcoming to
news radio eleven ten kfab as someone is teeing off
on number one at one fifteen today Omaha Zone Scott
(06:19):
Kichwski at A. Ralston and the University of Nebraska, Scottie,
good morning.
Speaker 5 (06:25):
Good morning.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
So does it kill you a little bit not to
be able to go out there and watch your son
because you got your own tournament to play starting this afternoon.
Speaker 5 (06:35):
It's an interesting situation that's probably a little bit unique
to this house for.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
The most part, How have how's the house been managing
as now? It's it's been a really great story. A
few years ago, a couple of years ago, as you
and two of your sons were paired together in the
first two rounds, as Luke out of Iowa State, and
then Trevor, the US Junior Amateur Champion, were all paired together,
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you famously approached them on the first t shook their
hands and asked them where they were staying that night
while they were in town. Welcome to the tour boys.
But since then you and Luke are both competing on
the Corn Faery Tour and have been doing so all season.
So it's a nice novelty, but is it starting to
wear off and you guys are just going about your business.
Speaker 5 (07:22):
Now at best, I'm like a part time corn Fairy
guy at the moment. You know, the days are definitely
running out on my corn fairy career and maybe had
some champions Tour stuff in the future for me if
it works out. But yeah, I mean, you know, when
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we're at the same event, we play practice a rounds together,
we usually get an airbnb together and eat together. But yeah,
then when it comes to tournament time, we kind of
gotta both kind of take care of our business in
our own ways and do what's best for us. It
seems to work out a little better for him than me.
Speaker 4 (08:02):
He's having a good year, Yeah he is.
Speaker 5 (08:04):
He's having a he's having a phenomenal year from from
where he was a year and a half ago, just
getting done in aims. So very proud of him and
as I am of all of my children. But yeah,
I mean, it's it's been a lot of fun. It's
a unique opportunity for us to get to kind of
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travel together a little bit and then work together. So yeah,
it's been really cool.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
So when you play with your sons, do you guys
have a little side bets, you know, like ten dollars
NASA here and there that nobody else knows about just
you guys.
Speaker 5 (08:40):
Not too bad. We pretty much just played for bragging, right,
which I used to get a lot of them, and
now I very rarely get them, so I kind of
have to I kind of have to talk a little
bit more and try to get in their heads more
to be competitive with them, because they're both much better
than I am. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
Well, I've just been talking to Trevor a couple of
years ago. I asked him who's the best player, and
he demurred, So we'll give you the shot, Scott.
Speaker 4 (09:07):
Who's the best player? Isaac?
Speaker 5 (09:11):
I know, I know, Yeah, yeah, maybe Isaiah Isaiah Party. Yeah,
if you ask him, I definitely know. Between Luke, Trevor
and myself, I definitely know that I'm third.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
Ah, well, that's a shame.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
And then Isaiah's bringing up the rear there. He just
won one of those putt, chip and drive competitions here recently.
I saw that on social media. But it's been a
fun few years for your family as you beat a
kid in a playoff on the corn Ferry Tour who
was about Luke's age, and then Trevor wins the US
Junior Amateur, first Nebraska to do that since a guy
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named Johnny Goodman. Luke Achski's making cut after cut on
the corn Ferry Tour. You guys are playing together an
awful lot. So it's it's been fun, but you kind
of sound like you're saying, you know, sun's setting on
my career except for that Champions Tour. Let's not forget
the Champions Tour is pretty lucrative. It's pretty pretty lucrative.
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You ask Steven Alkers, caddy who's here in Omaha. He's
doing pretty well. And there aren't a lot of guys
that came out of your class about twenty five or
so years ago to join his rookies on the PGA
Tour who are still out there competing. Scott, where do
you rank what you've done and been able to continue
to do in professional golf, whereas a lot of those
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guys have started with you, they're you know, cleaning guy's
shoes next to porterhouse in the Caddy Shaka locker room.
Speaker 5 (10:44):
Yeah, I don't know, you know, it's hard hard to say.
You know, some guys have are not playing anymore for
various reasons. Hard hard to say for myself. You know,
I've been really good at I've been really good at
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getting my card. I've been very persistent. I've been really
poor at keeping my card on the big tour, but
I've been very persistent. I think that's probably the strongest
part of my approach to the game, probably maybe more
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so than logic would say to be. But that's part
of the deal. I mean, that's part of the deal
of doing something that the odds are against you. So yeah,
but I mean yeah, I mean I would love to
try to play the Champions Tour. It would be fun.
I love to play. I love to compete. It just
kind of comes to how much can your body take.
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So and I've definitely had a few struggles with that
through the years. Not complaining by any means, but yeah,
sometimes sometimes it hurts to play, so you try to
try to minimize that.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
Well, we need to get we need to right this wrong.
There's not a single sign heading into Ralston, Nebraska. That's
his home with the golf and gokis who do we
need to.
Speaker 5 (12:12):
Call Gosh, I'm not sure.
Speaker 4 (12:17):
Mayor don Gross Do you need to win? Do you
need to win a major before we get that done.
Something like that.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
Well, again, only only Scott and his wife are Ralston Knights.
His kids started graduating from all sorts of others, but Boston.
Speaker 4 (12:31):
Needs the Goks.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Oh yeah, the tap Root is in Ralston, Nebraska, and
this weekend at the club at Eating and Creek, Scott,
good luck in your first couple of rounds, and we,
of course always the Omaha Loves come out and watch
you play golf on the weekend, and hopefully it would
be just really really fun if you and Luke both
finished the first couple of rounds at the same score
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and managed to play Saturday or Sunday together.
Speaker 4 (12:56):
Good luck and we'll.
Speaker 5 (12:57):
See you this week, all right, thank you guys.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Is that is Scott Kachwski, a class of nineteen ninety
five Ralston High School and then graduate from the University
of Nebraska. We knew Scott in high school was a
pretty good golfer. We didn't know he'd be twenty five
plus years on a tour a good golfer.
Speaker 4 (13:16):
He has had a heck of a career.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
Well we don't know is how many dining room tables
they've gone through in that house with guys chipping balls,
you know, trying to you know, chip the ball over
the dining room table in the dining room into the cup.
Speaker 4 (13:28):
A lot of damage drywall in that house.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
Yeah, we don't know how much furniture they've gone through,
how much drywall they've gone through, how many lawn services
needed to replace divots, all that good stuff.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
Love hanging out with you on Big Red Radio and
welcome back Legends of the Game to talk about other
legends of the game. Jim Rose, you want to set
this up for.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
Us, Well, I don't know about the class of nineteen
seventy nine, the recruiting class of nineteen seventy nine, nineteen
eighty Dave Remington, but there was a little bit of
material in it. One of them's going into the NFL
Hall of Fame. Your Craig tomorrow. Your thoughts about a
former teammate reaching the pinnacle of the profession.
Speaker 6 (14:07):
Well, I think it's awesome. You know that Jamie Williams,
his teammate at Davenport Central, will be introducing Roger Tomile.
And those two guys came in the same year I did,
and you know, we went through a lot and Rogers
was always guy with a smile on his face and
ready to work hard. Just just a great teammate.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
I was thinking about it yesterday and I can only
imagine what that huddle look like.
Speaker 4 (14:32):
Okay, you guys are in the huddle.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
You got two Outland Trophy winners on the offensive line.
You've got a future first round draft choice at wingback.
You've got a Heisman Trophy winner at high back. You've
got now an NFL Hall of Famer at fullback, and
maybe the most versatile quarterback in the history of the
program at quarterback. How did anybody stop you guys?
Speaker 7 (14:54):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (14:55):
I mean I look at that roster, and if you
look at the draft the year after I left, I
think Dean serving Friar was number one and Dean Steinkuler
was number two in the whole NFL draft, and I
don't I think that's only happened a couple of times. Well,
we got the first two picks come from the same school.
(15:18):
So I mean that was that that that whole roster
was quoted.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
Did you know, do you guys know how good you
were on the freshman team.
Speaker 6 (15:27):
Well, you know, Roger, I'm sure wasn't on the freshman
freshman team because I wasn't on the freshman team.
Speaker 7 (15:31):
We were.
Speaker 6 (15:32):
We were sent up, which was a big deal back
in the day when they had that old Oh they
had the locker room on one side for the freshman
and the guys who were kind of getting going up
with the program, and they had the varsity locker room.
We were sent to the boss varsity locker room pretty
early in our careers, and so you know, we were
(15:53):
kind of it was quite a big deal that you
sent over there. Because he spent some time in the
freshman loser room, it looks like I doneon that pretty bad.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
Albert says that you guys were so low on the
total poll that your practice jerseys didn't even have an
N on them when you were freshmen.
Speaker 7 (16:12):
Yeah, that's that's true.
Speaker 6 (16:13):
I mean that freshman team they had he was great.
Speaker 7 (16:16):
I mean, we they end up. That was pretty good deal.
Speaker 6 (16:18):
They'd play UNO every year and they do a lot
of things and play different junior colleges and stuff. That
was they got a chance to play some football at freshman.
Speaker 7 (16:28):
That was nice.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
Talk about Roger and in particular that that kind of
Dowur moment for him when when Tom said I need
you to move to fullback. What was Roger's reaction, What
was the reaction in the locker room when that happened.
Speaker 6 (16:40):
Well, I mean it's been a long time, but I
don't remember anything change. I mean, it had the crush
him because he was one of the best. I think
it was one thousand yard runner two years in a row.
Speaker 4 (16:50):
He was.
Speaker 6 (16:51):
And then and then we had that bad stricking eighty
one where we started. Uh, he's from Davenport, which is
a quad city, which real close to Eye University of
and uh, you know, we had that rough game and
you know that that was the first game of the
season and they ended up beating us and your previous
(17:12):
I think we beat him pretty battly, and so it
was just a big shot to everybody. And then uh,
Mike were here, came in and uh and really took
took over the iback position and they and they moved
Roger to pull back, which had to be disappointing for him.
But you know, I don't remember him, you know, causing
(17:34):
a scene. He was just you know, he took whatever
came and he didn't with a clout on the States
and worked hard, and you know, he was just a
good teammates, and both both him and Jamie both were
great teammates. When I think of one, I think of
the other. They was like pretty inseparable during the first
couple of years in college.
Speaker 7 (17:54):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (17:54):
Great players, great people, and I mean Midwestern work ethic. Uh,
I mean it was it was just really good teammates.
That's all I can say about that.
Speaker 4 (18:04):
Have you played in the NFL too?
Speaker 3 (18:06):
Roger was a remarkably good NFL performer, thirteen thousand yards
from scrimmage in his eleven year career. Why did it
take so long for him to get into.
Speaker 4 (18:16):
The Hall of Fame?
Speaker 6 (18:19):
I had no idea. I mean, the thing is that
he went to three different teams, so he was a
San Francisco and then he went to the Raiders and
they went to Minnesota. So sometimes, you know, I don't
remember a lot of those other two years, and which
you know, it's your last few years of really being
a lot. And he was a true double threat. He
(18:42):
could catch the ball, which we didn't know at Nebraska
at all. I mean, because he never got a chance
to catch the ball. I mean he was running, you know,
tosses and stuff, but you know, it wasn't until he
got in the West Coast offense with Bill Walsh and
Bill Mott Canna. Because the West Coast offense would also
(19:02):
run at Cincinnati with the Sam Wise that the running
back was a lot of time was the checkdown guy,
and so he probably you know, he started off checkdown
with Joe Montana, who's a smart player who when he
doesn't have an open receiver will just hit his checkdown.
And if you have a guy like Roger in the platte,
(19:23):
he could he could make you know, get your first
downs and he could keep you moving down the field.
So I think the West Coast offense was up just
a tremendous fit ground because of the quarterback. They had
a smart quarterback and didn't forced the ball and got
him the ball into the flat by himself, and he
would just you know, with that he had that high
(19:45):
knee run that would be a pretty famous.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
After a while.
Speaker 6 (19:49):
Uh. And I think thinking that's where he got it
in his group. But it took a while because I
think it's you didn't hear too much when he was
in Minnesota or or the the Raiders, so sometimes it
takes a while. It's a tough thing to get into.
I mean at Hall of Fame things. It's really tough,
(20:10):
really tough one.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
It's great that he's going in. So he's great talking
to you, Dave. Swing by Omaha, the old hometown. I'm
sure you're still welcome in some South Omaha bars, you know.
I'm sure your picture is still up on the wall
in a couple of places.
Speaker 6 (20:25):
Yeah, it might be out the candle light or something
like that.
Speaker 7 (20:29):
There's been a few.
Speaker 6 (20:29):
Places that I used to frequent, but yeah, I appreciate
talking to you guys, and hopefully you have a great season.
We got justin Evans and the yeah as a possible
watch listory, which is good.
Speaker 7 (20:41):
It's a good sign.
Speaker 6 (20:42):
Anytime you get your center in there that you might
you know, it's bodes well for the team.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
So we'll see, Okay, buddy, Dave Remington, number fifty, Hall
of Famer, best center in the history of college football,
no doubt about it. Teammate of Roger Craig with us
on eleven ten k.
Speaker 8 (20:59):
Patiently quarterback turns tosses to Craig running the right side.
He broke a tackle. He's in the thirty, the thirty five,
the forty, the forty five.
Speaker 7 (21:07):
The fifty.
Speaker 8 (21:08):
He's in the forty five, the forty, the thirty five,
the thirty, he's in the twenty, he's in the fifteen.
He's on the eleven and downy gold Man, woman and child.
What a run of that kid is?
Speaker 1 (21:20):
That's Lyle Brems are on the call here on eleven
ten kfab Jim rows right there, I'm Scott Vorhees. This
is Nebraska's Morning News. You're talking about a guy who's
a very talented runner. And you look at the back
of that jersey and it's got number thirty three and
Craig on there. You can only be talking about Curtis Craig, right.
I guess Roger was all right too, your brother was okay,
(21:42):
but you were really the man right number the thirty three.
Speaker 4 (21:44):
Curtis Craig joins us here.
Speaker 7 (21:48):
Good morning.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
So is that the deal when he went to the
niners instead of twenty one? Did he just take your
number and say this is an homage to Curtis because
he's my man?
Speaker 7 (21:59):
Yeah, Well there's a story behind all that too. The
story is that I wored thirty three in high school,
and so my jersey was retired in high school. So
what he wanted to do is bring it out a
retirement when he got to the NFL.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
Well, that says all people need to know about Roger Craig,
in addition to the thirteen thousand yards that he generated
from scrimmage as a member of the San Francisco forty
nine ers. Curtis is with Roger in Canton, Ohio for
the ceremony tomorrow. Tell us about tell us about what's
in your heart and in your mind and in your emotions.
Your ninety one year old mother will be there too, Curtis,
(22:40):
what does this mean for your family?
Speaker 7 (22:45):
It's an honor and we're just so proud of him
and all his accomplishment. But it is so emotional, and
it's really wards. Can't really explain how fantastic this whole
thing is is gonna be. So we're just so happy.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
Tell us about something. Tell us something about Roger that
most don't know.
Speaker 7 (23:10):
Well I don't know. I mean is uh, he's only
only really played in high school. He only played like
really his senior year and uh, because he broke his
leg his junior year, so he missed a whole year.
And I know, people really I don't know about that.
So uh, he had a fantastic senior year. Which you know,
(23:30):
gave him the possibility to play at Nebraska. So in
just a hard work and I think that's what you know,
people don't know about that that he had that injury
that you know, could have he could have just you
know not even though continued to play football, but he
kept working harder and it worked out for him.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
So, yeah, he was obviously a great football player in
high school and college in the NFL, but he played
a lot of sports. Was football his best sport?
Speaker 7 (24:00):
Well, well, it's hard, it's hard to say. He was
a great track man too. He was a great hurdler.
You know, he ran the one twenty highs. He was
he was very he took second estate, you know in
that he also wrestled. He also wrestled in high school
and qualified for the state tournament. So so football was
(24:22):
just one of the three things that he could do.
He was really good a lot of things.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
So what's it been like in Canton, Ohio this week?
I suppose the whirlwind of activities. How have you been
involved in what's happened in this last day or two
ending into tomorrow.
Speaker 7 (24:39):
Oh man, it's like a whirlwind. I mean it's like
a dream come true for for him and for our family.
So yeah, I just it's really like a dream kind
of thing. You know. It's like it's like, is this
really happening? I mean, it's real, but but it's been
a great thing for our family and those who that
(25:01):
we know closed and I'm sure a lot of his
friends and other friends. So it's it's just been fantastic. Man.
It's like, wow, it is just really happening.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
Now your mom is still I mean Davenport, Iowa. The
Craig family represented one percent of the entire population of Davenport, Iowa,
because there were eight kids. Uh and you know, your
mom and dad came up from Preston, Mississippi for jobs
in the factories along the Mississippi River. Are there any
Craig still left in Davenport and can Nebraska football expect
(25:31):
to get another one here before too long?
Speaker 7 (25:34):
Yes? My I still have a brother who and a
sister who still lives. There are two sisters who's still there,
you know, but at this time this, you know, most
of the kids are you know, doing other things. They're
not really involved in athletics. So this, if anything, would
be some of you know, some some great nieces or
something great nephews that might be able to, you know,
(25:56):
do something that they put their minds to it. So
right now is just right now. I just no one
right now is going to be doing anything right in
his future right.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
Now, Okay, Curtis, Congratulations to Roger and to your family,
and to your incredible mother who must just be bringing
with pride today because of all of the things that
her children have accomplished and enjoy this weekend and taking
every minute.
Speaker 4 (26:18):
We're all excited.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
Any one of us who ever tried to high step
through all of his friends out there in some field
anywhere in Nebraska growing up, trying to emulate your brother,
We're all very proud today. Curtis. Congratulations to you guys.
This is Nebraska's Morning News. Really appreciate you being here
with us. Jim Rose, Craig Evans, Lucy Chapman, Courtney Donahoe.
I'm Scott Vhees Scott at kfab dot com as the
(26:41):
email address here in the Zonker's custom was inbox, and
we'll start off for a conversation with former Nebraska State
Senator Bret Linstrom, who has now put forth the signatures
to appear as an independent on the as nonpartisan as
a non partisan in the governor's race in Nebraska this November.
(27:03):
We'll start off the conversation with this email, Brett, and
you probably have seen this coming. This one comes from
Captain America that says, ask Brett Linstrom, please, how he's
gonna feel when he's the reason Nebraska has a commie
leftist governor Lynn Walls.
Speaker 4 (27:19):
Good morning, Brett.
Speaker 9 (27:20):
That sounds like Captain America might say, yes, well, thanks,
glad to be back in studio.
Speaker 4 (27:25):
You know, it's interesting all the different feedback.
Speaker 9 (27:27):
I've been accused by both sides of being a spoiler
or you're coming in you're going to help this side
or the other.
Speaker 4 (27:34):
That's not how these races work.
Speaker 9 (27:36):
I mean, I think people look at this on a
linear model and think, well, it's just tug a war,
and that's not how the races tend to go. I mean,
if you look at the electorate in Nebraska, you have
twenty six percent registered Democrat, you have twenty two percent
registered nonpartisan, about forty eight percent Republican, then you have
two percent sprinkled in there with libertarian and Marijuana Party.
(28:00):
For the math of it, she would have to get
one of the Democrats pick up a significant amount of
nonpartisan and pull some Republicans that that's just not going
to happen in this race. Lynn has a record. There's
a lot of money that will be spent by the
pill and campaign against Lynn, and I'm assuming myself.
Speaker 4 (28:19):
Now he has a history of that.
Speaker 9 (28:22):
Well, yes, it goes back about four years where they
spent a lot against me. But she's just not going
to get a lot of traction. And you can look
at historically on different races in different states, how these
three way races play out. And from what I've the
numbers I've run, you're looking at the best she can
do is probably in the low twenties, probably high teens.
(28:43):
And I think this race will come down to in
a three way Yeah, in a two way race, still
can't win. And in fact, I've had all the people
and I've had hundreds of conversations over the last seven
eight months, not one person has said Lynn Wallas can
win the race. And this wasn't a politic This isn't
a political thing for me. There's no spoiler, been very
(29:04):
transparent about.
Speaker 4 (29:06):
All of this.
Speaker 9 (29:07):
I feel that the state is in trouble. We're going
to have a billion dollar deficit here in October. There's
a litany of things that have happened over the last
three and a half years. And I've again gotten a
lot of calls from different people, different associations and groups
and across the political spectrum and even current state senators
(29:29):
former state senators, and I feel it's the right thing
to do to do this and put Nebraska back on track,
pour ourselves out of this mess that we're in, and
ultimately grow. And the idea is to build Nebraska, grow Nebraska.
If we do that, we can accomplish a lot of
these things. And so I created the Nebraska Doctrine Nebraska
(29:49):
Doctrine dot com, and you can see exactly what this
looks like, both from a governing philosophy and policy framework.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
Well, seven or eight months ago, you were a Republican
seek the primary win in the second district congressional race.
You and Branker Harding were in that race, and then
you dropped out. You dropped your affiliation as a Republican.
So now you've got the signatures to appear as nonpartisan
on the governor's ballot. But you said in this process
(30:18):
that if you chose to be on the ballot. A
lot of people are wondering what exactly you're angling for
here and whether you're actually going to appear on the
ballot in November. How serious you are about this?
Speaker 4 (30:30):
Oh, very serious about it.
Speaker 9 (30:32):
I'll find out from the Secretary of State's office, hopefully
next week on the signatures we collected fifty seven and
thirty five in two weeks. You know, they'll send it
back to each Election Commission and all the counties. They
count them and bring them back and say we're authorized.
I need four thousand total, seven to fifty in each
congressional district. So I feel good about what we were
(30:52):
able to do in two weeks, not a yeah, it's.
Speaker 4 (30:56):
I've never that's impressive. Well, I've never done that before.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
You got five thousand signatures seventy seven thousand square miles
in two weeks.
Speaker 4 (31:02):
That's pretty good. It was.
Speaker 9 (31:04):
Yeah, it was a lot of work, big undertaking something
that again never done before. But when I switched a nonpartisan,
and there was a lot of reasons for that. I mean, one,
I just am not comfortable with where things are at
politically right now. I think from I would argue in
our lifetimes, we haven't seen the political division that we
(31:25):
are experiencing right now. And the day that I did
switch non partisan, I had probably fifty different texts and
calls from people that you would all know.
Speaker 4 (31:36):
On both sides of the aisle.
Speaker 9 (31:38):
And it got me thinking about where I was already
at presently and why I did it, but started to
think about what can be, what can we do as
a state, how can we set ourselves apart both in
the way that our leaders act but also in how
the policy and what that looks like. So that's where
the doctrine, Nebraska doctrine came from, and I started to
(31:58):
put pen to paper, had many many conversations and coffees
and lunches and all the things that you do. And
it was through that process that and the encouragement of others,
that I said, you know, I'm going to do this.
Let's burn the boat, and we're going to do this
because Nebraska is in trouble and I don't see us
(32:19):
being able to pull ourselves out of this under the
pillared administration. And if you look at the legislative races,
it's going to be a mixed bag down at the legislature.
Speaker 3 (32:29):
He may not get thirty three, he may not have
thirty three, which is a filibuster proof, but even thirty
three hasn't gotten everything done because there've always been an outlier.
But let's talk about the billion dollar deficit. It came
about because largely the governor funded schools, added another fifteen
hundred kids per school, and he added another four hundred
million into the property tax relief fund. That is a
(32:50):
giant bucket with a giant hole at the bottom, and
we just keep pouring more money into it. If you
take that billion dollars away, the deficit goes away. But
this is what keeps people's property taxes from going up
six every year. So what do we so if the
plan is we got to eliminate the deficit which goes
because somebody's ox gets gored under the Lenstrum administration, which one.
Speaker 9 (33:13):
It doesn't actually because it takes time and it takes growth.
And there's the framework is set up with stability. To
your point, on the property tax side of things, if
you don't tackle valuation, you don't tackle property tax. And
so you can throw money down this Educational Future Fund,
which is now climbing and will climb to a billion
dollars that's going to become insolvent at some point the
cash reserve. That's what he took to do that. But
(33:36):
if you don't tackle valuation, it doesn't fix. So we
will get spikes again and that's going to happen. Well yeah, ye,
and property and so the plan, under my plan, we
address that. There's a rolling We're going to do a
rolling average in the San Nebraska. That's what's called a
uniformity clause. So we have to keep residential, commercial, and
the ag the same. And with a rolling average, we
(33:56):
will not get the spikes. And one of the parts
of the plan is to address agriculture land and work
to put as a net income or an income driver
versus just market value.
Speaker 4 (34:09):
Not all land and ag is the same. Right, you
got pasture and you got Roe crump.
Speaker 9 (34:14):
And this is a plan over the ten twelve years
as part of the doctrine, and we're going to phase
it in. We don't do tax increases, we don't do
exemption eliminations.
Speaker 4 (34:21):
We don't have to.
Speaker 9 (34:22):
And Pilling, what they've done is they've gone they've spent
far above what their inflows were. Expenditures are above inflows.
Speaker 3 (34:29):
Because he cut the property tax, the income tax, he
cut the income tax that well.
Speaker 4 (34:35):
They took phased in. Well they phased in, but they
took the guardrails off after we left.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
That's all right, policy nerds, Brett. I don't know that
there's anything you can say that's going to convince me
that you don't end up splitting a more conservative vote
with Governor Jim Pillen, and that that has Lynn Walls
very very excited in terms of her prospects for being
the next governor of Nebraska. Un Less, and this is
what I'm wondering, if there's some behind the scenes conversation.
(35:03):
There have certainly been some accusations made by including Nebraska's
state auditor Mike Foley, that perhaps Jim Pillen has some controversies,
some issues, and there might be something that comes up
between now an election day that might get him out
of the race, make him less popular, or cause him
to resign his office. Is that part of your thinking
(35:27):
in why you've jumped into this race.
Speaker 9 (35:29):
No, and again, I've heard all the tinfoil conspiracies about this.
I just don't think people understand quite They want to
put me in this box.
Speaker 4 (35:40):
There's no box.
Speaker 9 (35:41):
This is all about eliminating to the extent that I
can this political division and saying Nebraska can do better.
I know we can do better, and here's the plan
to do better. As this plays out, you're just gonna
see there's a lot of blue dog Democrats out there
that are frustrated with their party. Right There's a lot
of Republicans that are frustrated with the Republicans right now.
(36:02):
This is what I would call the sometimes sixty percent,
sometimes eighty percent. But this is what it is. It's
governing for eighty percent. We're not I'm not talking to
the ten percent on either side that's just going to
be rattling sabers every day all day and don't really
care about doing things. This is about getting things done,
about putting Nebraska in a position to create stability but
(36:24):
ultimately to grow. And as a nonpartisan running I can
work with the legislature no matter what a outcome is
and focus on what we do and that's a marketable thing.
Speaker 4 (36:36):
Right.
Speaker 9 (36:37):
I can go out and Nebraska can be unique. It
can be this lighthouse in the middle of the storm
and this chaos and go recruit businesses. Go say and
I've heard pill and say this. We don't want new
business here.
Speaker 3 (36:49):
That's a problem and the context was that he wanted
to do enhance opportunities for existing businesses, but he did
say that yes.
Speaker 9 (36:56):
So this idea is to create stability both in the
political environment but also in the structure of Nebraska and
to drive to drive growth. You know, I in my
mind and what I believe is I'm doing what's right
because it's what people I with all the conversations I have,
(37:17):
want to see a change, want to see something different.
They're tired of the noise, they're tired of the political division.
And again, it's not a tug of war. There's going
to be some Democrats who come on board with this.
There's going to be I think a lot of Republicans
who are disenfranchised with what's going on, and that coalition
could be thirty eight, thirty nine, forty percent. You know, again, Lynn,
(37:37):
with the numbers twenty six percent Democrats, she's not going
to get a lot of Republican crossover, very little.
Speaker 3 (37:44):
No, but she could get Democrats that have sat out
gubernatorial races because this is as close as they've come
since the mid nineteen nineties, and it's an off year election.
Speaker 4 (37:56):
But you're only still talking about twenty years.
Speaker 3 (37:57):
Six year number I think do better than that. But
the number I want to ask you, Bretton, well, you
can come back anytime between now on the election. What's
it going to take forty one percent to win this?
Speaker 4 (38:11):
Forty two? Forty one depends on it.
Speaker 9 (38:13):
So if Lynn were to get eighteen percent, it would
come down to pillin and I have thirty eight. Okay,
you know you got you got another candidate on there
and usually get a weed guy will get two percent.
There you go, it's about two percent. Now I've seen
internal polling. Pilling is in danger territory when it comes
to that, I know, just nationally is I think forty
(38:35):
seventh out of fiftieth ranked out of the governor's that
you know, is that the main focus here?
Speaker 4 (38:41):
No, it's not.
Speaker 9 (38:42):
It's people are going to vote for for a solution.
They're going to vote for a candidate, and there has
to be a plan. If it was just running because
anti pilling, what good is that. I'm not I'm not
going to run as hey, I'm the anti pilling guy.
It's yeah, there's a lot of problems that have been
created under the ministration, but there has to be a plan.
That's what the Nebraska doctrine dot com is
Speaker 1 (38:59):
Well, get your name on the ballot and come back
and talk to us again, all right, Which is a
former Nebraska state Senator Brett Linstrom, who very well might
be on the ballot in November as a nonpartisan candidate
for governor of Nebraska, joining us here in Nebraska's morning
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