April 15, 2026 • 29 mins
We put ourselves in the shoes of all involved in yesterday's disturbing incident at an Omaha Walmart.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Well, thank you very much for checking in with us,
hanging out with us, tolerating us. Whatever it is you do,
We're glad you're doing it. Here. This is News Radio
eleven ten KFAB. I'm Scott Borhes, Lucy Chapman and Craig
Evans here as well. Jim Rose is still in the
studio and if you want to jump in on this,
you're certainly welcome to. But it is the topic that
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has been taking up the bulk of the morning and
the conversations all around town as people are looking at
this going what in the world, How did this happen?
What is this world coming to? Which sequel are we
on to the question what is this world coming to?
This is one of those rare instances where everyone man, woman, Republican, Democrat, black, white, gay, straight,
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left handed, right handed, every single one of us is
a hundred percent right, and we're collectively so so wrong,
every single one of us. What do we write about? Well,
what are your feelings on this? In order to talk
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about this yesterday at the Walmart there at seventy second
and Pine Streets, you have to go back to March third,
twenty twenty four, when a twenty nine year old woman
stabbed her dad, doused him in a flammable liquid gas,
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I presume, and tried to set him on fire. When
he suggested maybe that was not the right activity for her,
she ran down the street to Saint Francis Cabrini Church,
tried to stab a different father, this one priest at
the church, and then tried to set the church on fire,
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smashed up the rectory. The father is hiding up in
a room upstairs. Police show up and they're able to
get her out of there by use of bear repellent.
They used a less lethal agent to kind of smoke
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her out of the church, so they had to use
bear repellent on her. The SWAT team crisis negotiators were
called in. That woman is the same woman who two
years later, now at the age of thirty one years old,
had a knife and a three year old boy in
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a shopping cart and was I think somewhere in the
fog of whatever was going on or not going on
with her synapses and her brain, I think maybe the
last act of goodwill was and this is me giveing
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full grace to this dangerously crazy individual yesterday in the
Walmart parking lot. I think her last shred of goodwill
was she didn't want to kill that kid. Oh she
cut that kid. She cut him on the side of
the head and the hand. That kid will have scars
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and quite a story for the rest of his life.
But mommy and Daddy's little cowboy. His first name, by
the way, is Siler, and they say he's our little cowboy.
He will survive. These are non life threatening injuries. He's
got a lot of healing to do there. On the
hand and on the side of the head. She cut
him from just above his eye up passed his ear,
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but didn't. She had a big chef's knife, the big,
almost comically large stereotype typical giant butcher knife knife. If
she wanted to kill that kid, I think she could have.
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So what did she want? Did she want to get
shot by the cops? If indeed, somewhere in there there
was some shred of lack of haze, and maybe that's
what she wanted to do, and this was the way
she was going to do it. Well, mission accomplished. She
did it. Cops shot her. Cops were perfectly justified in
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shooting her. Siler's parents would think so. The guardian, who
was so with this kid would certainly think so. And
you know, you know who else has actually kind of
been rather quiet since this happened yesterday at almost approximately
this time, twenty four hours ago. The cop haters, even
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the cop haters, even the why didn't they shoot the
knife out of her hand? Why didn't they shoot her
in the foot? Why didn't they send out mental health
counselors to deal with some some one who was clearly
having a really bad day with their mental health, And
why didn't they? You know what, they've all been pretty quiet.
When you see the bodycam footage of an officer rapidly
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approaching to get to unmistakable almost point blank range to
be able to hit one target as many times as
it would take without hitting the kid or any bystanders
behind her, and just stop that threat. When you see
that woman with that knife raised in the air waiting
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for the cop to shoot her before she stabs at
the kid again, she'd already done. So it's clear to
me that if well it's not clear, but I'm offering
grace in that this woman, through whatever tortured existence she
had two years ago, trying to kill her dad and
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then a priest down the street by stabbing and setting
on fire people there in South Omaha to whatever she's
been doing the last two years. Until twenty five months later,
she's in that Walmart parking lot, and it looks like
she had just assumed the position of this is how
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it all ends. I'm gonna wait for these cops or
this cop to shoot me. That if if there was
anything in her brain that suggested that's what I'm doing
and this is the right thing to do for everybody,
then it's sad. But that was the uh and maybe
the only correct decisions she could do in her entire life,
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all that she was capable of, because she and her
family went to us. Now this I didn't I didn't
forget that. A few minutes ago. I said, we're all right,
and we are all wrong on this. We're all right,
and that we look at this and whatever our feelings
are about it, you're completely justified. You look at this
and go, well, my goodness, why don't we have more
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mental health facilities, Why don't we have more treatment centers,
Why don't we have more counselors, Why don't we have
more resources? And you're one hundred percent right, and some
of you will look at it and go, well, it's
those evil Republicans they cut the founding. And then some
of you will look and go, well, thre's those evil
Democrats they let people just out walking around. You're all
one hundred percent right, you're all one hundred percent right,
and you're also dead wrong, every single one of us
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dead wrong, because we haven't collectively gotten together to say, look,
I don't care what you think about Trump. I don't
care what you think about x Y, GOP DEM, I
don't care none of it. It is not compassionate, It
is not right. It is not justifiable to have a
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woman who the family who just got all cut up
and almost set on fire. This is the dad two
years ago. Go to the judge and the police and say,
please do something. Our daughter is not right. She's been
spiral ling out of control. We've been dealing with this
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for ten years. Help. We don't know what to do,
And a judge says, well, I guess the only thing
we can do. Whether it was the judicial decision that
was made, or rather it is the parameters set up
by the legislature or whatever, but a Douglas County Court
judge released this woman on a personal recognizance bond, no bond,
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and it was not guilty by reason of insanity, second
degree assault, arson, burglary, criminal mischief. All of that would
have gotten her up to ninety two years in prison
in Douglas County, but it didn't because she was too crazy.
So the judge says, you don't have any contact with
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that church or your family. Where's she supposed to go?
Oh so, who thought it was compassionate, Whether it was lawmakers,
a judge, advocates who thought it was compassionate to allow
her to just find her own way. Why wait until
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she's in a position where she feels like everything I've
got nothing I can do here, everything's failed me. I'm
just gonna get shot by a cop. How do we
get to a point where someone goes shopping at Walmart
for whatever it is they're going to go pick up
yesterday and suddenly there's a woman with a knife who's
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saying I'm gonna start taking slices away at this kid,
and then witnesses that saw it a cop who had
to shoot this woman. He'll live with that the rest
of his life. Parents of the kid, who every time
they see that scar will be reliving that nightmare of
getting that phone call and the parents of this woman
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who was killed saying, we tried for years someone do
something with our daughter. She is dangerous. She's not guilty
by reason of insanity, she's criminally insane, and is there
nothing we can do about that? Well, we don't have
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the money. Yeah we do. It's jails, and it's resources
for the homeless, because there's a lot of mental illness
that's rampant in a lot of these homeless communities. Call
them what you will, whether they're makeshift encampments or whether
their treatment centers have been set up. We have these resources.
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We have a Douglas County Juvenile Detention Center downtown, brand new.
No one's in there, and we just decided like, well,
I guess the only thing we can do is let
someone just wander around in society until they're eventually killed
by someone else themselves or a cop, or they take
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someone out with them. And this is the absolute wrong
decision that society has made. We put these lawmakers there,
we make the decision on retention for these judges. But
what are we going to do? Well, apparently we're gonna say,
what is this world come into? Again? And again? Lucy
has an excellent question.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
What do you want the judge to do?
Speaker 1 (11:27):
That's the thing, isn't it.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
There? You cannot lock somebody up in I mean, the
prisons don't want to, the jails don't want to. They can't.
They can't handle that kind of mental illness.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
Sure they can, Sure they can. And the jails what
what what do I want the judge to do? If
the judge looks and says, well, we don't have mental
health treatment facilities anymore aka looney bins, funny far and
whatever you you call these things in a horrible It
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used to be that it was a place where someone
would go and they would get a nice soft coloring
book and some of them would color in it, and
some of them would try to eat it, and they
would all have their little space and they were not
a threat to society or in many instances, themselves. And
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we don't have those anymore because everyone saw that Jack
Nicholson movie One flew over the Cuckoo's Nest and said, well,
these are good people, and then the nurses in there
are terrible, and that we shouldn't have that anymore. And
then they shut down glen Wood because we had some
evidence that you guys were doing some experiments on the
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mentally ill or whatever. I don't know, but you could.
I tell you. Shutting the place down was the wrong idea.
Reforming for the better men of them, society, the employees, everyone,
that would have been a much better idea, because what
we have now is all of outdoors and every grocery
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store or whatever. It's all the old looney bin. And
I know I'm not supposed to use that phrase, but
if a judge looks and says there's no mental health
facility where you can keep someone against their will, no
matter if the family signs off for longer than three
days or whatever, then as the judge, what I wanted
that judge to do is say, the only other decision
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I can make here that would benefit this woman and
society is to put her in jail. How do you say, like,
I'm going to start, I have enough mental capability to
know that this knife is going to stab you, and
this flammable liquid and this fire is going to set
you in this church on fire. But suddenly it's like,
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well they didn't know what they were doing. Jail, Sorry,
Well yeah, I.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Think short term, you're you're right, she should have been
she should have been incarcerated at some point. But under
those circumstances, the way the laws are written, and I
don't know this for sure, but the ways I believe
the laws are written, she would have been let out
within a few days when they just put her on medications.
Well you're you're not. Maybe not a few days, but
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she would have been let out.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
Not no, not for these crimes. Try it. This is
two cases of attempting, but she was let out. Yeah,
I know. But if a judge, this is what I
want a judge to do, to look at this and go, no,
we're not doing an insanity plea here. You want to
be insane, You can be insane in jail for the
good of everybody involved. You're going to jail.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Well, the judge isn't the one who declared her insane.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
I would think no, but you had to.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
So he only can go off the reports, right, Yeah,
that's all he can do.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
Well, no, he or she? They let women be judges,
You sexist pig. They the judge could have made a decision. No,
I'm that's why you're the judge. I'm declaring that you
are guilty of these crimes and you are serving fifty
years in prison.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
If a report is ordered and done that she and
it comes back that she is criminally insane. You are
telling me that a judge, a criminal judge, yep, who
is not a psychiatrist, who is not a mental health professional,
can just look at that report and say, nah, you're
going to jail. I think that's okay. I mean, if
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that's what you're going to tell me, then that's she
needed to be off the street.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
Well.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
I wouldn't argue with you at that point, but I'm
asking you legally, what could this judge have done?
Speaker 1 (15:41):
If you're saying the judge had no parameters to do anything,
why do we have judges? Why not just let AI
call balls and strikes and guilty and not guilty and
insane or whatever.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
The evidence showed she was criminally insane. The judge can't
put her in prison if she is criminally insane. What
was he to do? I am not standing up for him.
He should have figured out something.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
Sorry. I mean, maybe the judge would have got it
wrong by putting this woman in jail, but you know
who would have been okay with it?
Speaker 2 (16:14):
All of us?
Speaker 1 (16:15):
The cop, the parents, the caregiver, the shoppers, the store manager,
the cop who had to shoot this woman, and the
boy who's got knife scars on his head and hands.
Scott Bodes, Lucy, let's try on some shoes.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
My feet just fell off. I'm sorry. I can't participate
in this.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
We make They make shoes for people with the stumpy shins.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
I have the you know, the little lazy the blade things.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
Ooh you got the the Yeah you got the blades.
Yeah you can be a sprinter. Okay, now we're gonna
try on shoes. This is something we do from time
to time. You have a story that everyone has been
talking about. We have been talking about it all morning,
and I know and I appreciate. I can't get mad
at you when you email and say, Scott, you've been
talking about this all morning? Is there nothing else to
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talk about it? There's always things to talk about, but
this is this is what people are coming to this
radio station to collectively discuss, and not everyone listens throughout
the entire morning. And so before you send me an
email and say, Scott, we have a bit of it,
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think about other people who aren't able to listen all
morning and they're coming in and if we're not talking
about the story they're coming to our radio station to
hear about then they think that we're failing everybody. So
don't worry, as I say all the time, as soon
and I'm so close, as soon as I figure out
how to make everyone happy all the time, I'll do it.
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It's not like I'm going to sit on that information
and I'll share it with the rest of the class.
There you go, trying on shoes. I try. I had
even put myself in the shoes earlier this hour of
the woman with the knife who looked to me like
if she wanted to murder that kid could have. After all,
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she had the big knife and she, yeah, took some
swipes at the kid, but it looked like she was
I mean, all we see right now the images of
the bodycam footage of the officer who shot her, and
she's holding the knife up. Looked like she's posing for
a horror movie poster. She's holding the knife up looking
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at the cop. I'll do it. I think she wanted
to commit suicide by cop, and.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
That's that's likely or possible. Did you look at her
face yeah, in that camera yea, Or in that picture
and her mugshot.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
Yeah, how'd you sleep last night after seeing that because
very different. I struggled, I honestly did.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
It didn't even look it was certainly not like the
same person. It almost didn't the human.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
No, it was. I mean, she she knew this is
it whatever? Like she didn't know she was out of
her mind. Yeah, but out of her mind, out of
any mental health or jail facility. For the last two years.
What has she been doing? Where's she been? What she
been doing? Two years ago she tried to kill her
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dad and a priest and they let her out, not
guilty by reason of insanity. Where's she been the last
two years? Why? Yesterday was she like, all right, I
can't take it. I'm gonna do this. And I think
her last measure of grace was I'm not gonna kill
this kid. I'm gonna wait for cops to kill me.
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And and that's what she felt was her way out.
And it's sad and it tears me up, but I
try on her shoes, and I'm able to provide that
grace where she felt this is the best way because
no one else would give her what she needed, which
was space to not be a threat to herself for others,
we need mental health institutes. We need asylums. We need
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these things. We can't sit here and say there's a
growing mental health problem and there's a lot of dangerous
people walking around here who are also mentally ill. Not
to say everyone what they ill and stigma. Look, I
get it, but we're all adults. We can have this
conversation and go. There's a difference between someone who reaches
out and said, man, I'm struggling right now, I need
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someone to talk to you, and a person with a
knife and a kid. There's a difference. And when you
see a woman come before you who just tried to
stab her father and then the father of the Saint
Francis Cabrini church and set them both on fire, well
that's one of those things like, Okay, she needs to
be away from everybody else, so we need asylums. Put
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yourself in the shoes of her dad. Two years ago,
March third, twenty twenty four, she tried to kill her dad.
In fact, she stabbed her dad, doused him in gasoline
or something, some sort of flammable liquid, and tried to
set him on fire. And he went, I mean, if
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I'm going to really try on shoes, I have to
think about my daughter trying to stab and set me
on fire, and then I didn't die. And now I'm
before authorities and they're saying, well, what do you think
should happen? And I'm saying, we've been dealing with this
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for ten years. It's been getting more and more out
of control. I think that there was a lot of
drug and alcohol use involved there as well. One of
the uh the tenets of the pre trial release here,
the conditions was you can't use alcohol or drugs. So
the family, this dad was saying, we tried, we were
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calling for mental health reform. Someone's got to do something
to intervene here because we don't have the resources to
do it. There's nothing we can do. There's nothing anyone's
going to do. And she just tried to kill me
and set the house on fire. And I'm guessing that
that guy, I don't know what kind of level of
contact he's had with his daughter in the last two years.
I don't think he was supposed to have any. But
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still every single day that dad was wondering where is she,
what she doing, and probably loving her beyond her wildest dreams.
And that breaks my heart that the fact that this
guy who was nearly killed by this woman two years ago,
who saw the same picture that Lucy was just talking
about and not recognizing that face of his little girl,
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but also saying, you know what, it's horrible and sad
that she just got killed by this officer justifiably, and
also probably feeling relief and then feeling guilty that he
feels relief. I don't want to try on those shoes anymore.
That's breaking me up.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
Well, just recover for a second there, because I find
her victims to be a little bit I'm not going
to say suspicious, but a little bothersome, a little worrisome
that the first victim was her father, a parent, then
a priest, and then a child. I mean, I just
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think that's interesting.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
I can go down that mental road and try and
to sign some reason why that would be, but absent
of any details to support that journey, I'd rather not
go down.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
But they're all very innocent in an abstract way.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
Okay, So I just gave you a minute, Okay, I
appreciate that I needed that. Thank you. You can't or
you won't physically come in here and slap me.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
No, by the way, you're kind of an innocent.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
By the way. I just remembered because I was talking
a moment ago. And I didn't sleep very well last night.
I did sleep for a little bit. And I love
telling co workers this because it's the last thing you're
supposed to say, is you look at a coworker and say,
I had a dream about you last night. Lucy had
a dream about you last night, and Jim Rose was
in it. Oh lord, I'm trying to remember. Oh yeah,
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here's here was my dream last night. You're the You're
the dream interpreter. I figure this out. I had to
go into the kg o R studio where you'd set
up a bunch of sleeping bags and you were living
in there like you were sleeping. I had to come
wake you up and go Lucy morning time to go
talk and do traffic on the KFAB Morning show. So
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you were you were living in the kg o R studio.
And then Jim Rose sent me a textas said, I'm
at the back door. Someone needs to let me in.
And then immediately I was transported to being at a
bar and I was supposed to be doing a live
radio show and my producer was was Josh who used
to work here who'd set up a very long show
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open that was basically just him playing a football video
game that had nothing to do with anything. And I'm
waiting the entire time, going when do I start talking?
And then some lady sat down next to me and said,
I don't like your show, and then I woke up.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
Oh boy, that's a lot to unpack.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
Let's go back to trying on shoes. Okay, what about
this kid? Siler is his name? See why L E. R. Siler?
Speaker 2 (25:46):
What did he do?
Speaker 1 (25:48):
He's the This is back to the story. This is
what did he do?
Speaker 2 (25:53):
Okay? I thought you hadge stories. I do not realize
that was That's.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
Right, that's right now. If you're having a hard time
keeping up, I imagine everyone else is too. I get it.
What's he going to do the rest of his life.
It's not like they can say, let's not tell him.
He's old enough to have a flash of memory. He's three,
he's a big boy. He's gonna have the scar in
his hand and his head. They're gonna do their best
to try and repair all that. It will get less
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noticeable over time. He'll always notice it, and people will
notice it. Don't you love it? And people, because this
happens to me all the time. Someone comes up and says,
what happened to your face? You know, you got a
scar on your face. What happened to your face? He'll
deal with that his entire life. I hope he has
the sense of humor to.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
Either make up new stories every time.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
Change the story every time, you know, it's the craziest thing.
We were at the zoo and I got bit by
a giraffe. What Yeah, I was a little kid, you know, right.
And then he tells someone else a different story and
they're like, wait, I thought that kid got bit by
a draft. And it'll just always be one of those
things like Jim Rose an hour ago mention Meatloaf in
not being in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame,
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which is an absolute travesty. But same thing with Meatloaf.
People ask him how'd you get the name Meatloaf? And
he just tell people a different story every time. And finally,
in the Internet age, people started putting all this together, going, wait,
he told me he got the name? Because no, he
told this journalist over here got the name. And then
they realized he'd just been messing with people for thirty years.
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I love meat loaf. I hope that he has either
the sense of humor to just make up different stories,
or I hope he never gets tired of telling the
story of what actually happened, because he's going to have
the opportunity to do it anytime. And when he looks
at himself in the mirror, when he's all alone and
not just trying to make up stuff or impress people
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with a story, he looks at them and says, I
can't imagine what my parents were going through that day.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
I wonder what is the psychological explanation for or results
of something at three years old, because I think the
more that you make of it, the more it's going
to be. In effect.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
I think that's largely going to be up to his
parents and how they deal with it. If you it's
like when you hear your kid say a really bad
curse word for the first time, and if you freak out, oh.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
My gosh, that word, how did you know?
Speaker 1 (28:22):
Then it becomes a bigger deal. Right. But if they
say the word and you don't say anything about it
because you know that they're young and they heard it
and thought, ooh, this is something I'm not someone told
me I'm not supposed to say it. I can't wait
to say it, and you don't make as big a
deal about it, then that changes the you know so
I kind of maybe the same thing. I don't know.
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I have no idea what I would do as a
parent in this one. I'd be very thankful to that
police officer, and last shoes would try on. Police officer
did exactly what he was supposed to do. Even the
cop haters aren't coming out after this copy. Didn't you
shoot the knife out of her hand? You know, the
cop haters are even quiet on this one. Everyone's like, yeah,
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she needed to go. But you know who's gonna be
reliving that the rest of his life, the cop. He's
gonna know I did the right thing and I saved
that kid, but it's still gonna bother him.
Well, thank you very much for checking in with us,
hanging out with us, tolerating us. Whatever it is you do,
We're glad you're doing it. Here. This is News Radio
eleven ten KFAB. I'm Scott Borhes, Lucy Chapman and Craig
Evans here as well. Jim Rose is still in the
studio and if you want to jump in on this,
you're certainly welcome to. But it is the topic that
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has been taking up the bulk of the morning and
the conversations all around town as people are looking at
this going what in the world, How did this happen?
What is this world coming to? Which sequel are we
on to the question what is this world coming to?
This is one of those rare instances where everyone man, woman, Republican, Democrat, black, white, gay, straight,
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left handed, right handed, every single one of us is
a hundred percent right, and we're collectively so so wrong,
every single one of us. What do we write about? Well,
what are your feelings on this? In order to talk
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about this yesterday at the Walmart there at seventy second
and Pine Streets, you have to go back to March third,
twenty twenty four, when a twenty nine year old woman
stabbed her dad, doused him in a flammable liquid gas,
(01:37):
I presume, and tried to set him on fire. When
he suggested maybe that was not the right activity for her,
she ran down the street to Saint Francis Cabrini Church,
tried to stab a different father, this one priest at
the church, and then tried to set the church on fire,
(01:59):
smashed up the rectory. The father is hiding up in
a room upstairs. Police show up and they're able to
get her out of there by use of bear repellent.
They used a less lethal agent to kind of smoke
(02:19):
her out of the church, so they had to use
bear repellent on her. The SWAT team crisis negotiators were
called in. That woman is the same woman who two
years later, now at the age of thirty one years old,
had a knife and a three year old boy in
(02:40):
a shopping cart and was I think somewhere in the
fog of whatever was going on or not going on
with her synapses and her brain, I think maybe the
last act of goodwill was and this is me giveing
(03:00):
full grace to this dangerously crazy individual yesterday in the
Walmart parking lot. I think her last shred of goodwill
was she didn't want to kill that kid. Oh she
cut that kid. She cut him on the side of
the head and the hand. That kid will have scars
(03:23):
and quite a story for the rest of his life.
But mommy and Daddy's little cowboy. His first name, by
the way, is Siler, and they say he's our little cowboy.
He will survive. These are non life threatening injuries. He's
got a lot of healing to do there. On the
hand and on the side of the head. She cut
him from just above his eye up passed his ear,
(03:49):
but didn't. She had a big chef's knife, the big,
almost comically large stereotype typical giant butcher knife knife. If
she wanted to kill that kid, I think she could have.
(04:09):
So what did she want? Did she want to get
shot by the cops? If indeed, somewhere in there there
was some shred of lack of haze, and maybe that's
what she wanted to do, and this was the way
she was going to do it. Well, mission accomplished. She
did it. Cops shot her. Cops were perfectly justified in
(04:29):
shooting her. Siler's parents would think so. The guardian, who
was so with this kid would certainly think so. And
you know, you know who else has actually kind of
been rather quiet since this happened yesterday at almost approximately
this time, twenty four hours ago. The cop haters, even
(04:51):
the cop haters, even the why didn't they shoot the
knife out of her hand? Why didn't they shoot her
in the foot? Why didn't they send out mental health
counselors to deal with some some one who was clearly
having a really bad day with their mental health, And
why didn't they? You know what, they've all been pretty quiet.
When you see the bodycam footage of an officer rapidly
(05:11):
approaching to get to unmistakable almost point blank range to
be able to hit one target as many times as
it would take without hitting the kid or any bystanders
behind her, and just stop that threat. When you see
that woman with that knife raised in the air waiting
(05:32):
for the cop to shoot her before she stabs at
the kid again, she'd already done. So it's clear to
me that if well it's not clear, but I'm offering
grace in that this woman, through whatever tortured existence she
had two years ago, trying to kill her dad and
(05:55):
then a priest down the street by stabbing and setting
on fire people there in South Omaha to whatever she's
been doing the last two years. Until twenty five months later,
she's in that Walmart parking lot, and it looks like
she had just assumed the position of this is how
(06:17):
it all ends. I'm gonna wait for these cops or
this cop to shoot me. That if if there was
anything in her brain that suggested that's what I'm doing
and this is the right thing to do for everybody,
then it's sad. But that was the uh and maybe
the only correct decisions she could do in her entire life,
(06:43):
all that she was capable of, because she and her
family went to us. Now this I didn't I didn't
forget that. A few minutes ago. I said, we're all right,
and we are all wrong on this. We're all right,
and that we look at this and whatever our feelings
are about it, you're completely justified. You look at this
and go, well, my goodness, why don't we have more
(07:06):
mental health facilities, Why don't we have more treatment centers,
Why don't we have more counselors, Why don't we have
more resources? And you're one hundred percent right, and some
of you will look at it and go, well, it's
those evil Republicans they cut the founding. And then some
of you will look and go, well, thre's those evil
Democrats they let people just out walking around. You're all
one hundred percent right, you're all one hundred percent right,
and you're also dead wrong, every single one of us
(07:28):
dead wrong, because we haven't collectively gotten together to say, look,
I don't care what you think about Trump. I don't
care what you think about x Y, GOP DEM, I
don't care none of it. It is not compassionate, It
is not right. It is not justifiable to have a
(07:50):
woman who the family who just got all cut up
and almost set on fire. This is the dad two
years ago. Go to the judge and the police and say,
please do something. Our daughter is not right. She's been
spiral ling out of control. We've been dealing with this
(08:10):
for ten years. Help. We don't know what to do,
And a judge says, well, I guess the only thing
we can do. Whether it was the judicial decision that
was made, or rather it is the parameters set up
by the legislature or whatever, but a Douglas County Court
judge released this woman on a personal recognizance bond, no bond,
(08:34):
and it was not guilty by reason of insanity, second
degree assault, arson, burglary, criminal mischief. All of that would
have gotten her up to ninety two years in prison
in Douglas County, but it didn't because she was too crazy.
So the judge says, you don't have any contact with
(08:57):
that church or your family. Where's she supposed to go?
Oh so, who thought it was compassionate, Whether it was lawmakers,
a judge, advocates who thought it was compassionate to allow
her to just find her own way. Why wait until
(09:18):
she's in a position where she feels like everything I've
got nothing I can do here, everything's failed me. I'm
just gonna get shot by a cop. How do we
get to a point where someone goes shopping at Walmart
for whatever it is they're going to go pick up
yesterday and suddenly there's a woman with a knife who's
(09:39):
saying I'm gonna start taking slices away at this kid,
and then witnesses that saw it a cop who had
to shoot this woman. He'll live with that the rest
of his life. Parents of the kid, who every time
they see that scar will be reliving that nightmare of
getting that phone call and the parents of this woman
(10:01):
who was killed saying, we tried for years someone do
something with our daughter. She is dangerous. She's not guilty
by reason of insanity, she's criminally insane, and is there
nothing we can do about that? Well, we don't have
(10:23):
the money. Yeah we do. It's jails, and it's resources
for the homeless, because there's a lot of mental illness
that's rampant in a lot of these homeless communities. Call
them what you will, whether they're makeshift encampments or whether
their treatment centers have been set up. We have these resources.
(10:43):
We have a Douglas County Juvenile Detention Center downtown, brand new.
No one's in there, and we just decided like, well,
I guess the only thing we can do is let
someone just wander around in society until they're eventually killed
by someone else themselves or a cop, or they take
(11:03):
someone out with them. And this is the absolute wrong
decision that society has made. We put these lawmakers there,
we make the decision on retention for these judges. But
what are we going to do? Well, apparently we're gonna say,
what is this world come into? Again? And again? Lucy
has an excellent question.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
What do you want the judge to do?
Speaker 1 (11:27):
That's the thing, isn't it.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
There? You cannot lock somebody up in I mean, the
prisons don't want to, the jails don't want to. They can't.
They can't handle that kind of mental illness.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
Sure they can, Sure they can. And the jails what
what what do I want the judge to do? If
the judge looks and says, well, we don't have mental
health treatment facilities anymore aka looney bins, funny far and
whatever you you call these things in a horrible It
(12:01):
used to be that it was a place where someone
would go and they would get a nice soft coloring
book and some of them would color in it, and
some of them would try to eat it, and they
would all have their little space and they were not
a threat to society or in many instances, themselves. And
(12:22):
we don't have those anymore because everyone saw that Jack
Nicholson movie One flew over the Cuckoo's Nest and said, well,
these are good people, and then the nurses in there
are terrible, and that we shouldn't have that anymore. And
then they shut down glen Wood because we had some
evidence that you guys were doing some experiments on the
(12:42):
mentally ill or whatever. I don't know, but you could.
I tell you. Shutting the place down was the wrong idea.
Reforming for the better men of them, society, the employees, everyone,
that would have been a much better idea, because what
we have now is all of outdoors and every grocery
(13:03):
store or whatever. It's all the old looney bin. And
I know I'm not supposed to use that phrase, but
if a judge looks and says there's no mental health
facility where you can keep someone against their will, no
matter if the family signs off for longer than three
days or whatever, then as the judge, what I wanted
that judge to do is say, the only other decision
(13:25):
I can make here that would benefit this woman and
society is to put her in jail. How do you say, like,
I'm going to start, I have enough mental capability to
know that this knife is going to stab you, and
this flammable liquid and this fire is going to set
you in this church on fire. But suddenly it's like,
(13:46):
well they didn't know what they were doing. Jail, Sorry,
Well yeah, I.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Think short term, you're you're right, she should have been
she should have been incarcerated at some point. But under
those circumstances, the way the laws are written, and I
don't know this for sure, but the ways I believe
the laws are written, she would have been let out
within a few days when they just put her on medications.
Well you're you're not. Maybe not a few days, but
(14:16):
she would have been let out.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
Not no, not for these crimes. Try it. This is
two cases of attempting, but she was let out. Yeah,
I know. But if a judge, this is what I
want a judge to do, to look at this and go, no,
we're not doing an insanity plea here. You want to
be insane, You can be insane in jail for the
good of everybody involved. You're going to jail.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Well, the judge isn't the one who declared her insane.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
I would think no, but you had to.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
So he only can go off the reports, right, Yeah,
that's all he can do.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
Well, no, he or she? They let women be judges,
You sexist pig. They the judge could have made a decision. No,
I'm that's why you're the judge. I'm declaring that you
are guilty of these crimes and you are serving fifty
years in prison.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
If a report is ordered and done that she and
it comes back that she is criminally insane. You are
telling me that a judge, a criminal judge, yep, who
is not a psychiatrist, who is not a mental health professional,
can just look at that report and say, nah, you're
going to jail. I think that's okay. I mean, if
(15:28):
that's what you're going to tell me, then that's she
needed to be off the street.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
Well.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
I wouldn't argue with you at that point, but I'm
asking you legally, what could this judge have done?
Speaker 1 (15:41):
If you're saying the judge had no parameters to do anything,
why do we have judges? Why not just let AI
call balls and strikes and guilty and not guilty and
insane or whatever.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
The evidence showed she was criminally insane. The judge can't
put her in prison if she is criminally insane. What
was he to do? I am not standing up for him.
He should have figured out something.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
Sorry. I mean, maybe the judge would have got it
wrong by putting this woman in jail, but you know
who would have been okay with it?
Speaker 2 (16:14):
All of us?
Speaker 1 (16:15):
The cop, the parents, the caregiver, the shoppers, the store manager,
the cop who had to shoot this woman, and the
boy who's got knife scars on his head and hands.
Scott Bodes, Lucy, let's try on some shoes.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
My feet just fell off. I'm sorry. I can't participate
in this.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
We make They make shoes for people with the stumpy shins.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
I have the you know, the little lazy the blade things.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
Ooh you got the the Yeah you got the blades.
Yeah you can be a sprinter. Okay, now we're gonna
try on shoes. This is something we do from time
to time. You have a story that everyone has been
talking about. We have been talking about it all morning,
and I know and I appreciate. I can't get mad
at you when you email and say, Scott, you've been
talking about this all morning? Is there nothing else to
(17:04):
talk about it? There's always things to talk about, but
this is this is what people are coming to this
radio station to collectively discuss, and not everyone listens throughout
the entire morning. And so before you send me an
email and say, Scott, we have a bit of it,
(17:25):
think about other people who aren't able to listen all
morning and they're coming in and if we're not talking
about the story they're coming to our radio station to
hear about then they think that we're failing everybody. So
don't worry, as I say all the time, as soon
and I'm so close, as soon as I figure out
how to make everyone happy all the time, I'll do it.
(17:47):
It's not like I'm going to sit on that information
and I'll share it with the rest of the class.
There you go, trying on shoes. I try. I had
even put myself in the shoes earlier this hour of
the woman with the knife who looked to me like
if she wanted to murder that kid could have. After all,
(18:12):
she had the big knife and she, yeah, took some
swipes at the kid, but it looked like she was
I mean, all we see right now the images of
the bodycam footage of the officer who shot her, and
she's holding the knife up. Looked like she's posing for
a horror movie poster. She's holding the knife up looking
(18:36):
at the cop. I'll do it. I think she wanted
to commit suicide by cop, and.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
That's that's likely or possible. Did you look at her
face yeah, in that camera yea, Or in that picture
and her mugshot.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
Yeah, how'd you sleep last night after seeing that because
very different. I struggled, I honestly did.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
It didn't even look it was certainly not like the
same person. It almost didn't the human.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
No, it was. I mean, she she knew this is
it whatever? Like she didn't know she was out of
her mind. Yeah, but out of her mind, out of
any mental health or jail facility. For the last two years.
What has she been doing? Where's she been? What she
been doing? Two years ago she tried to kill her
(19:25):
dad and a priest and they let her out, not
guilty by reason of insanity. Where's she been the last
two years? Why? Yesterday was she like, all right, I
can't take it. I'm gonna do this. And I think
her last measure of grace was I'm not gonna kill
this kid. I'm gonna wait for cops to kill me.
(19:45):
And and that's what she felt was her way out.
And it's sad and it tears me up, but I
try on her shoes, and I'm able to provide that
grace where she felt this is the best way because
no one else would give her what she needed, which
was space to not be a threat to herself for others,
we need mental health institutes. We need asylums. We need
(20:09):
these things. We can't sit here and say there's a
growing mental health problem and there's a lot of dangerous
people walking around here who are also mentally ill. Not
to say everyone what they ill and stigma. Look, I
get it, but we're all adults. We can have this
conversation and go. There's a difference between someone who reaches
out and said, man, I'm struggling right now, I need
(20:31):
someone to talk to you, and a person with a
knife and a kid. There's a difference. And when you
see a woman come before you who just tried to
stab her father and then the father of the Saint
Francis Cabrini church and set them both on fire, well
that's one of those things like, Okay, she needs to
be away from everybody else, so we need asylums. Put
(20:54):
yourself in the shoes of her dad. Two years ago,
March third, twenty twenty four, she tried to kill her dad.
In fact, she stabbed her dad, doused him in gasoline
or something, some sort of flammable liquid, and tried to
set him on fire. And he went, I mean, if
(21:21):
I'm going to really try on shoes, I have to
think about my daughter trying to stab and set me
on fire, and then I didn't die. And now I'm
before authorities and they're saying, well, what do you think
should happen? And I'm saying, we've been dealing with this
(21:42):
for ten years. It's been getting more and more out
of control. I think that there was a lot of
drug and alcohol use involved there as well. One of
the uh the tenets of the pre trial release here,
the conditions was you can't use alcohol or drugs. So
the family, this dad was saying, we tried, we were
(22:05):
calling for mental health reform. Someone's got to do something
to intervene here because we don't have the resources to
do it. There's nothing we can do. There's nothing anyone's
going to do. And she just tried to kill me
and set the house on fire. And I'm guessing that
that guy, I don't know what kind of level of
contact he's had with his daughter in the last two years.
I don't think he was supposed to have any. But
(22:26):
still every single day that dad was wondering where is she,
what she doing, and probably loving her beyond her wildest dreams.
And that breaks my heart that the fact that this
guy who was nearly killed by this woman two years ago,
who saw the same picture that Lucy was just talking
about and not recognizing that face of his little girl,
(22:50):
but also saying, you know what, it's horrible and sad
that she just got killed by this officer justifiably, and
also probably feeling relief and then feeling guilty that he
feels relief. I don't want to try on those shoes anymore.
That's breaking me up.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
Well, just recover for a second there, because I find
her victims to be a little bit I'm not going
to say suspicious, but a little bothersome, a little worrisome
that the first victim was her father, a parent, then
a priest, and then a child. I mean, I just
(23:34):
think that's interesting.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
I can go down that mental road and try and
to sign some reason why that would be, but absent
of any details to support that journey, I'd rather not
go down.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
But they're all very innocent in an abstract way.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
Okay, So I just gave you a minute, Okay, I
appreciate that I needed that. Thank you. You can't or
you won't physically come in here and slap me.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
No, by the way, you're kind of an innocent.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
By the way. I just remembered because I was talking
a moment ago. And I didn't sleep very well last night.
I did sleep for a little bit. And I love
telling co workers this because it's the last thing you're
supposed to say, is you look at a coworker and say,
I had a dream about you last night. Lucy had
a dream about you last night, and Jim Rose was
in it. Oh lord, I'm trying to remember. Oh yeah,
(24:34):
here's here was my dream last night. You're the You're
the dream interpreter. I figure this out. I had to
go into the kg o R studio where you'd set
up a bunch of sleeping bags and you were living
in there like you were sleeping. I had to come
wake you up and go Lucy morning time to go
talk and do traffic on the KFAB Morning show. So
(24:56):
you were you were living in the kg o R studio.
And then Jim Rose sent me a textas said, I'm
at the back door. Someone needs to let me in.
And then immediately I was transported to being at a
bar and I was supposed to be doing a live
radio show and my producer was was Josh who used
to work here who'd set up a very long show
(25:16):
open that was basically just him playing a football video
game that had nothing to do with anything. And I'm
waiting the entire time, going when do I start talking?
And then some lady sat down next to me and said,
I don't like your show, and then I woke up.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
Oh boy, that's a lot to unpack.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
Let's go back to trying on shoes. Okay, what about
this kid? Siler is his name? See why L E. R. Siler?
Speaker 2 (25:46):
What did he do?
Speaker 1 (25:48):
He's the This is back to the story. This is
what did he do?
Speaker 2 (25:53):
Okay? I thought you hadge stories. I do not realize
that was That's.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
Right, that's right now. If you're having a hard time
keeping up, I imagine everyone else is too. I get it.
What's he going to do the rest of his life.
It's not like they can say, let's not tell him.
He's old enough to have a flash of memory. He's three,
he's a big boy. He's gonna have the scar in
his hand and his head. They're gonna do their best
to try and repair all that. It will get less
(26:20):
noticeable over time. He'll always notice it, and people will
notice it. Don't you love it? And people, because this
happens to me all the time. Someone comes up and says,
what happened to your face? You know, you got a
scar on your face. What happened to your face? He'll
deal with that his entire life. I hope he has
the sense of humor to.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
Either make up new stories every time.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
Change the story every time, you know, it's the craziest thing.
We were at the zoo and I got bit by
a giraffe. What Yeah, I was a little kid, you know, right.
And then he tells someone else a different story and
they're like, wait, I thought that kid got bit by
a draft. And it'll just always be one of those
things like Jim Rose an hour ago mention Meatloaf in
not being in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame,
(27:04):
which is an absolute travesty. But same thing with Meatloaf.
People ask him how'd you get the name Meatloaf? And
he just tell people a different story every time. And finally,
in the Internet age, people started putting all this together, going, wait,
he told me he got the name? Because no, he
told this journalist over here got the name. And then
they realized he'd just been messing with people for thirty years.
(27:26):
I love meat loaf. I hope that he has either
the sense of humor to just make up different stories,
or I hope he never gets tired of telling the
story of what actually happened, because he's going to have
the opportunity to do it anytime. And when he looks
at himself in the mirror, when he's all alone and
not just trying to make up stuff or impress people
(27:47):
with a story, he looks at them and says, I
can't imagine what my parents were going through that day.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
I wonder what is the psychological explanation for or results
of something at three years old, because I think the
more that you make of it, the more it's going
to be. In effect.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
I think that's largely going to be up to his
parents and how they deal with it. If you it's
like when you hear your kid say a really bad
curse word for the first time, and if you freak out, oh.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
My gosh, that word, how did you know?
Speaker 1 (28:22):
Then it becomes a bigger deal. Right. But if they
say the word and you don't say anything about it
because you know that they're young and they heard it
and thought, ooh, this is something I'm not someone told
me I'm not supposed to say it. I can't wait
to say it, and you don't make as big a
deal about it, then that changes the you know so
I kind of maybe the same thing. I don't know.
(28:45):
I have no idea what I would do as a
parent in this one. I'd be very thankful to that
police officer, and last shoes would try on. Police officer
did exactly what he was supposed to do. Even the
cop haters aren't coming out after this copy. Didn't you
shoot the knife out of her hand? You know, the
cop haters are even quiet on this one. Everyone's like, yeah,
(29:05):
she needed to go. But you know who's gonna be
reliving that the rest of his life, the cop. He's
gonna know I did the right thing and I saved
that kid, but it's still gonna bother him.
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