7-27-26 Bill Cunningham Show

Willie talks with attorney Steve Goodin about the proposed School taxes. Also Steve Goreham breaks down how data centers could be self sustaining keeping costs down for local residents. Finally Indy Pederson describes what he has found in the UFO declassified files.

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Enter it now, Billy Cunningham, the Great America, welcome this
a great Monday at Union in the Tri State, and
the music festival happened seemingly without too many riots, too
many people beat up to within an inch of their life.
But we're not sure. Have to wait for the video
to come out, because if last year's video had not

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come out, we know nothing about Alex Shavinsky nor Holly,
we wouldn't know anything about it. But the video is
their thing that went national, and at this point we
have no indication a similar thing that happened. Plus Reds
Baseball kicks off tonight, covered starts about six oh five.
This is the most important. How many times have I
said this nine game homestand of the year got the

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Cleveland into Guardians in town for three, then Pittsburgh and
Olivia Dunn comes to town, and then three with athletics.
That's nine games, teams and the trading deadlines. A week
from today, August third, we'll see if the Reds are
buyers are sellers. But until then, as your Meno. Tonight
at the board meeting Cincinnati Board of Education, there's going
to be a big powwow how and where to increase

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taxes based upon the voter's okay. It could be a
seven mil property tax, it could be an eight mil
property tax, could be an earn income tax spanning five
years at zero point seventy five percent on top of
everything else. So if someone's rich like Tony Bender, he'd
be paying an additional about one thousand dollars a year
in income tax to the school board. Right now, property

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taxes are not so popular, but let's face it, income
taxes are as Many residents of the city don't pay
income tax, but we all pay a property tax. So
let's see where Steve Gooden is on this. Steve Gooden,
a great lawyer in the Tristate, also was on Cincinnati
City Council. I think you live in the Clifton area.
So when this thing is on the ballot in November,
Steve Gooden, are you in favor of the seven mil,

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the eight mil or the earned income tax? Rich guys
like you pay a bundle. Give me a full report.
Which one do you like? If any I.

Speaker 3 (02:05):
Don't like, I don't like any other to be candid
mister kind of game.

Speaker 2 (02:08):
I'm not.

Speaker 3 (02:08):
I don't know that I'm qualify as a rich guy,
but I'll tell you that if they particularly go that
earnings tax way, I think that's going to be deeply,
deeply unpopularly, that will be a very cynical move on
their part, because you're right, probably roughly forty percent of
the city, if not more, it really doesn't pay income
taxes because.

Speaker 4 (02:26):
Of their income level.

Speaker 3 (02:29):
So that would be one that would target directly people
like me, and it's really who frankly.

Speaker 4 (02:35):
Don't use the schools.

Speaker 3 (02:36):
You know, I don't send my kids to the CPS
because I'm concerned with the quality of what they do.

Speaker 4 (02:40):
And lucky, I'm in a.

Speaker 3 (02:41):
Position where I can, I can have other options, but
deeply unpopular, and I'm telling you there's great fatigue property taxes,
not just here but statewide.

Speaker 4 (02:51):
You know, we're one of the few.

Speaker 3 (02:54):
Few, but one of the states that doesn't have any
kind of relief for senior citizens. There's a homestead exemption
in a lot of states would don't really have a
meaningful one in Ohio. There's a movement statewide, as you know,
to do away with property taxes all together as a
mechanism to fund schools particularly. It's something that's been that
the Court has been wrestling with for many, many, many years.

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But look, my sense is everybody's fatigued. I mean, we
know the Children's Services levey is probably going on, and
that's not an insignificant ask. So there's going to be
a lot of talk right now, and I think between
the Children's Services levy, they're probably being a property tax, lovey,
it has to be a property tax. The school board
is probably going to give this income tax option a

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serious look. There's only a handful of school income taxes
in Cincinnati area. No Wyoming has one. I believe in
the Indian Hill and Marymont have them. But there's not
been a city of this size of Cincinnati that's actually
done an education based income tax in a long, long,
long time. So it will be a major adjustment for
people if they do it.

Speaker 4 (03:55):
It will not be good for business.

Speaker 3 (03:57):
It will affect not just city residents, of people who
have their businesses in the city, and that's a crucial
part of it. So if you live in Madeira but
work downtown, you're going to be paying for CPS schools
on top of that.

Speaker 1 (04:09):
Addition, addition, addition to madeir schools. Wherever you live, if
you and they're going to be very aggressive collecting the
income tax and people like you because you're a Putts,
you live in the city, have an income, don't send
your kids to public schools, but you bring up the
children's services levee. I'm looking at my recent tax bill
from Jill Schiller, who's the as you know, the the

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honor or the treasure of the treasure of Hamilton County.
Here's what I pay for you ready for this list.
I pay for the Joint Vocational School.

Speaker 3 (04:41):
What is that, Well, that's where they teach trades and
stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (04:48):
About the county General Fund, we know what that is.
More or less, I pay for the public library. I
pay for the Family Services and Treatment levee. I pay
for the health Hospital Care Engine levee. I pay for
the mental health levee. I pay for the Developmental disabilities levee.
I pay for the park levee. I pay for the
Crime Information Center levey. I pay for the Children's Services levey.

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I pay for the Senior services levee and the zoo.
On top of all that, an addition of my school district,
which is Indian Hill Schools, which are pretty good in
addition to my township. How many levees at number one,
levees never go down to defeat correct? And number two,
why don't I have so many levees?

Speaker 4 (05:30):
Well, it's it's just happened over the years. And look,
it's a terrible way to do business.

Speaker 3 (05:34):
I mean, it's something that it's not just Cincinnati, unfortunately,
there's a lot of big metro areas in the state
that have just increasingly offloaded all these public services onto uh,
you know, onto the homeowners.

Speaker 4 (05:46):
And they know they can do it.

Speaker 3 (05:48):
And as you pointed out, they know that there are
people who aren't paying income taxes or paying property taxes
because they're renters, are on fixed incomes or on public assistance.
They could vote these things in UH and and people
like you and me who want to question where the
money's going and whether we really need them or whether
it's fair our voices get drowned out. And it's very
very rare that you actually see an organized anti levee

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political campaign in this area. I mean typically when they
go to these things, they have corporate money, they have
nonprofits behind them, they have dark money and five to
one c threes and fours supporting the campaigns, and anybody
who wants to raise any kind of voice in opposition
get swamped out. So you have this kind of weird
situation where you have people like you know, myself or

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Tom Brickman over and out look at who's done this
for years and tried to oppose these levees and educate people.
We're supposedly fighting for the wealthy class, but we're the
ones who are underfunded when it comes to the political
camp day because all these people who all the vendors,
all the contractors, all the people who get money off
these levees, they come out real hard and they spend

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money to get them passed and push through.

Speaker 4 (06:54):
And so it's a grim situation I think for textpayers.

Speaker 1 (06:58):
And looking at the twelve special level that we voted on,
the most expensive is children's services, and now, according to
Alicia Reese and others, that's going to be doubled because
there's so many children without functional parents who pay for
all that. I look at my recent tax bill. I'm
paying for vocational schools, I'm paying for the library, I'm

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paying for drug treatment, I'm paying for mental hospitals. I'm
paying for developmental disabilities. I'm paying for the parks that
I never attend. I'm paying for the nine to one
to one center. I'm paying for children's services about the
double I'm paying for senior services. Hell, maybe I need
a few of those services.

Speaker 2 (07:34):
Now.

Speaker 1 (07:34):
I'm paying for the zoo, which I've never been to.
So those are the things that I'm paying for now. Secondly,
I'm glad you brought that up in the school system.
I had on Eve Bolton about a week ago. She's
on the school board and she's somewhat functional, she has
lucid moments, and she was a teacher at Wyoming for
like twenty five or thirty years, and she gave me
some stats in the school district. Are you ready for

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some facts?

Speaker 2 (07:57):
William Augley, thirty four.

Speaker 1 (07:59):
Thousand, five hundred kids. But I've got thirty four thousand,
five hundred. There's about three thousand that are chronically homeless.
There's two thousand who have special needs, and each one
needs a special needs program. That's about five thousand. Add
on top of that about four thousand who have language difficulties.
It's called EESL English Second language, and there's seventy seven

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oh languages and different dialects in the school system. So
you got about add up those numbers. There's about eight
or nine thousand kids either they're either homeless, they have
special needs, or English is the second language. They can't
understand what teachers are saying. That means every kid's got
to have someone with them to kind of translate what's
being said. That's about nine thousand kids. Of the rest,

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about forty eight percent or chronically absent from school. Add
on top of that, seventy percent of black boys are
chronically absent. So I said to her, twenty five thousand
or so per year per kid, and Cincinnati publics are
twenty five thousand, and you have a situation eight to
nine thousand either are not present, or have special needs,

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or can understand what's being said, or homeless you can
and a child's not responsible. If they're homeless, you can
imagine how kid's life is. If you're homeless, you imagine
where a kid's life. If you have special needs, you
can imagine what a kid's life is like when you
can't understand the English, have no idea what's being said.
And then that's about nine thousand of the thirty four thousand,
and of the rest a chunk, almost half are chronically absent.

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Do you want to pay for that?

Speaker 2 (09:35):
I mean, no, you don't want to pay that.

Speaker 3 (09:37):
And more importantly, you don't want to send your functional
kids into that situation. And you know, I hear a
lot of people in my neighborhood a little over here
in clipped new brag, but ah, I send my kids
to CPS much. Yeah, but you send your kids to
Walnut Hills where you have to test in, or SCPA
or the Fairbe School. There are some good you know,
have some some pockets, some really good schools here, but
by and large, the CPS is being forced to serve

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as those two are being forced to serve as social workers,
not educators. And it is a hard thing to pay for,
and it's a hard thing to stomach, and it raises
real questions. But we know what, just what the hell
we're doing here? Because I mean, you're right when you're
talking about like upwards of you know, three to four
percent or maybe more of the students that don't even
really speak English, aren't fluent in English. What's that going

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to do to the overall instruction in any given classroom.
Of course, you're going to be teaching down to the
people who are who are struggling the most. So it's
not a recipe for success. It's a really hard thing
to defend. I do feel for a lot of these teachers,
and I really feel for a lot of these kids
who have been placed in this awful position by their parents.
But you know, right now, it's going to be a

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very hard ask for people. But I predict it's one
of these versions is going to go on that levee
or on the ballot tonight.

Speaker 1 (10:45):
I can smell it, and it's going to pass. Right.
If it doesn't pass, of course, well what choice do
you have? You vote for it. I don't think a
CPS levey's failed in a long time. It's going to pass,
and then you kick the ball down the road. You're
going to still have large number thousands of kids that
are home. It's not their fault. Thousands of kids of
special needs, not their fault. Thousands of kids don't show

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up in thousands of kids that don't speak in the
English that is it's daycare. You send your kid the
most of the skills, probably eighty percent of the skills,
and CPS our daycare, and then they get to be
eighteen years old and then they get a piece of paper. Okay,
you graduated, go into the world. Then what happens, Well.

Speaker 4 (11:26):
You have a piece of paper that isn't worth anything.
They have no skills.

Speaker 3 (11:29):
We do have excellent vocational skills, but they're not particularly
aggressive and pushing kids into that vocational path. You know,
you notice that you pay that in your property taxes
every year. They do a really bad job I think
in my view of selecting kids and putting them on
that track.

Speaker 2 (11:43):
But at the end of the day.

Speaker 3 (11:45):
Of course, it's all going to pass because I mean,
you know a lot of the people who are voting
for the stuff.

Speaker 4 (11:49):
Aren't going to pay for it.

Speaker 3 (11:50):
I mean, my daughters are lucky enough to go to
Ursuline Academy, and if I could have voted that you
paid that tuition, I would have, you know, I mean,
that's just human nature. You know, if you're not paid it,
why not. That's another problem that's unfortunately what's going on.

Speaker 1 (12:03):
I bring this up to eve Bolton, which is the
voucher program. I would assume you know what's going on
in life. You can get thousands of dollars every year
from the state of Ohio for your kids not to
go to CPS, to go to Urthline. And she says
that's not fair. What would you say about that one?

Speaker 3 (12:20):
Well, I'm just saying here, here's the thing, I think
I pay enough taxes and as there's a certain point.

Speaker 4 (12:25):
When you're at tchikina your children is just.

Speaker 3 (12:27):
Like like you know, picking your doctor or picking your
lawyer or picking you know whatever. You're a consumer and
if you don't like the product, you ought to be
allowed to pull at least some of your money away
and to try to do something with that and to
try to like you know, look out for your own
kids at a certain point in time.

Speaker 4 (12:44):
So you know, it's just.

Speaker 3 (12:45):
Not you know, like like eve a scene, I've known
her for years. She's one of the more seen people.
But like they they in their mind, the charter school
concept and the voucher concept is just evil and it's
depriving them of everything. And the other thing, the school
boy being incredibly aggressive these days and going after property
tax valuations at the border revision are really really being

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aggressive like never I like I've never seen in my
twenty some years of practice, and particularly on these older
commercial buildings, you know, wanting these, in my view, very
inflated values, and if you've pushed back, you're kind of
portrayed as like a tax cheat or something of that nature.
You know, they have to understand that this is all
part of the puzzle about why people want to do

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business here, particularly out of town companies that might want
to invest here. They look at us like we're crazy.
If you go up to Columbus, I can tell you
Columbus is growing. For all its problems. They're growing at
a much faster rate than we are. And it's because
the school board and their warriors are at the table
ever at the beginning of any kind of conversation with
the new business that wants to come in, where they
talk about abatements and any or and what the tax

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burden is going to be here. It's very adversarial, not
just with the taxpayers, not just against people like me
who might want to send the kids to parochial schools,
but also against just the property owners, particularly commercial property.

Speaker 4 (14:00):
It's a really nasty environment right now.

Speaker 1 (14:03):
Steve Gooden, when you were on city council, you dealt
with us. I'm looking the story from the Los Angeles Times,
the headline is badge to worse. Chief of Police says,
to the city of Los Angeles, we need four thousand
more cops immediately. They are four thousand cops short. When
I look at NYPD, they're about five thousand cops short.

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When I look at our city of Cincinnati, they are
about two to three hundred cops short. Can't cover the shifts.
The defund the police movement is alive and well. For
those who say we don't have to defund the police,
Cincinnati has defund the police movement. It's called not even
enough cops and we're in the hell out of them
and they want to get out as soon as possible.
And in LA the big city Chicago, they are four

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thousand cops short. Also, it's called defund the police by
making their job so difficult that young Americans don't want
to sign up to do that kind of work. And
so I understand from your law practice you often find
yourself in Los Angeles. Please explain what happens to a
city like New York that has about a mile and
a half of homeless on forty second Street. To Los Angeles,

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there are four thousand cops short, which is a crisis.
Cincinnati two to three hundred short. It's a crisis. There
could have been a terrible beatdown during the music festival
over the weekend, but no cops are patrolling and secondly,
no videos arise yet, so we don't know what happened.
What is your experiences in Los Angeles when they're four
thousand cops short? Much like Cincinnati.

Speaker 3 (15:30):
Well, let me tell you there are whole sections of
downtown Los Angeles right now that you don't go to.
I mean, it's actually worse than New York in my
view in terms of the homeless encampments. I mean, there
are whole city blocks that are taken up with homeless encampments, tents,
things of that nature. It's absolutely horrifying. You know, there's

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open their drug dealing, there's people using drugs out in
the open. I've seen people shooting up, you know, shooting
things into their veins, you know, while they're there. It's
just a terrible, terrible, terrible situation. And it's not just
in downtown. You can go to places even near Beverly Hills,
you know, and find homeless encampments there where they either

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don't have the will or the resources to break them
up and it's just it's just what happens.

Speaker 4 (16:18):
And I'll tell you here.

Speaker 3 (16:19):
I mean, I know the city's line is we're about
one hundred and fifty two hundred cops short. We're probably
more like four hundred cops short because they have not
resisted that we compliments to two thousand and five. And
you know, we have a lot more residents and a
lot more things going on downtown. So I mean, you
said ken Kobert says this all the time. There are
knights when there's only two or three officers patrolling the

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entirety of over the Rhine just because of staffing. So
when something bad happens, they you know, they just don't
have the people.

Speaker 4 (16:45):
Well, the Democrats are terrible situation.

Speaker 1 (16:47):
The Democrats, Steve Good, are defunding the police. They don't
call it that because politically that's not sailable. But by
not hiring cops, by disrespecting cops, by not promoting cops,
by having massive amounts of overtime good for the wallet,
bad for the mind and the heart and the soul
of a cop. They're defunding the police through a different mechanism.
And that's because they make being a police officer very

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difficult in every major American city. Steve Gooden, we got
to run great conversation. Well, I look forward tonight to
the vote. I predict it's going to be an income
tax to tax guys like you and Tony Bender as
opposed to property taxes. But you're fundamentally unpopular.

Speaker 4 (17:23):
I absolutely agree. Thank you for the time, and God
bless you, and God bless America.

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I Billy cunning In hit the music data. Keaton hit
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And later on we have Steve gorm who is an
expert in AI centers, the so called heartbeat of the Internet,
and heartbeat is so much more of these data centers.
And I would point out that presently America has almost

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five thousand data centers and the great majority of the
data centers do not rely upon water at all, and
the great majority or a net plus for the grid.
Some are not. So the President issued a couple months
back and an executive order which of course everyone is
suing him on it. He sues, gets sued all the
time for everything and what he's gonna he is requiring

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or try to require so called data centers to be
a net positive for your electricity bill. That means when
these huge data centers come in going forward, they must
demonstrate and actually operate in a way that lowers your
electricity bill. Now, many in the media and the left
wing of the Democratic Party be holding to many times

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the Communist Party today will not agree to data centers
because they're engaged in a freight campaign with the American people. Ohio,
I think presently has about one hundred and seventy five
data centers, and it's on the drawing board. They have
about three to four hundred more. If they're in an
industrial park away from those who live in apartments or

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condominius their homes. Put them in industrial parks far away
from those who are living. Make sure there's at least
a one mile separation between the data center and someone's
living quarters. Secondly, you must demonstrate how you're going to
fuel yourself the electure electrical needs of the data sen
enter itself, many times is so called modular nukes can

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get it done. There are times natural gas is being used.
There are times that other forms of energy are being
used to generate. You can't generate nearly the electricity required
of a windmill or a solar panel. So whatever it
is to operate a data center must be distant and
far away from Americans who live. Secondly, there must be

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a net positive to the web. And Thirdly, there has
to be some indication of how you're going to fuel
your own electrical needs. We would not have these devices.
I have four or five around me right now. Without
data centers. The electrical grid is far and overtaxed, especially
in blue cities and blue states Ohio was selected by

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CNBC and my friend Joe Kernin as the number one
state in America to operate new businesses. One of the
reasons that's number one in America Ohio is because of
data centers. That is, if you're Amazon, or if you're
Microsoft or Google or whatever you might be, meta you
need large data centers and particular states to serve the

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needs of the people who have deliveries to their home.
And one of the great reasons to have an AI
data center somewhere in the state of Ohio is because
of medical needs. How many of us at some point
are going to get heart disease or cancer, Huntington's, whatever
it might be. These data centers make it possible for
individuals to go through billions of possible permutations of the

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kind of cancer that you have and how to treat it,
which is why so many Americans are living so much
longer now because of data centers. And the communist parties
around the world, especially in China, do not want us
to have data centers. They want to dominate. There's two
countries in the world putting up data centers right now,
Communist right China has eight thousand data centers. We have

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about half that number. What they want to do is
dominate the next round of advancements scientifically and economically. And
they know it's communist. Chinese Party does not want data
centers in America. Why they want to control the Internet
and control all of that. Electrical needs which are going
forward is going to be massive. In fact, one expert said,

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I have one coming up in about half an hour.
Down in the next fifteen years, America will double its
electrical needs to be in advanced society double in fifteen years,
one hundred percent increase. And presently, if you talk to
those that Duke and elsewhere, it is very difficult to
keep up to the electrical electrical demands we currently have

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without using large data centers, which should be a net
positive for the Internet and for electrical needs. I don't
know about you, but the last bill I paid Duke
Energy was something like seven hundred and fifty dollars. Now
it was kind of a warm month a little bit
with seven fifty, and supposedly in next fifteen years that's
going to double or triple. Unless we have data centers

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available to have a net positive for your electrical bills,
they can't be a net negative. And many times beginning
this industry, three four five years ago that was the case.
One of the reasons your bills have gone up have
been data centers, and the main reason your bill is
going to go down in the future is data centers.
Because they were sold early on as no big deal.

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We found out it is a big deal. We also
found out that to build these data centers are going
to be about take five to six thousand workers to
build it and several hundred to take care of it
once it's up and running. That's one of the reasons,
one of many why Ohio is such a great business state.
Because we have unlimited water if that's the cooling requirement,
because of the high River and Lake area unlimited water.

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We have flat land, we have connected interstate highways and
state facilities. We have great education system as far as
college is concerned in this state. So that's one of
the main reasons. The Communist Party and the Democratic Socialists
who are mainly Communists. In fact, there's twenty one members
of the Executive Committee of Democrats Socialists America and fourteen

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are a vowed Marxist or Communists. Fourteen of the seventeen
that run the DSA and according to polling, the majority
of Democrats today support socialism. They've gone far left and
we can't have it. And so for those debating and
Batavia elsewhere about data centers, put them at least a
mile away from any residential area, have them demonstrate ahead

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of time how they're going to fuel their own electrical needs,
but more importantly, to make it positive that you cannot
use the electrical needs of residential and businesses currently in existence.
In other words, it's got to be a net positive.
And thirdly, you have to be able to satisfy all
the other requirements of zoning. But to bury our head

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in the sand and actus if you know what we're
not going to have data centers is like a livery
stable saying when a car comes down the road, you
know that car, that model, As that's never going to work.
We better stick with horses wh not. The data centers
are here to stay. The Red states largely will have them,
and unfortunately the Blue states largely will not, which is

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one of the main reasons. Looking to my left, I
had this story last week that the ten most unaffordable
places to live in America are all run by Democrats,
and the ten most affordable places to live in the
United States are all run by Republicans. The story from
CNBC what are the affordable states ranked from one to ten?

(25:34):
This is the easiest place to live with They have
seven criteria, which is crime, schools, electrical needs, availability of jobs,
interstate highway systems, etc. The ten best states to live
are Missouri number two, Ohio number three, Alabama affordable, four
as West Virginia, five is Kansas, six is Iowa, seven

(25:57):
is the state of Wyoming, eight is I put them
together North and South Dakota, nine is Kentucky, ten is Tennessee,
and eleven is Florida. Because they have seven criteria, and
those are the states that are most affordable. Now, if
you flip the coin and say what are the least
affordable states to live in? And by the way, the
criteria were rents and mortgages, transportation expenses, utility expenses, availability

(26:22):
of grocery stores and price, insurance, retail cost, the restaurant
eating out meals, educational expenses, car repair, real estate taxes.
So those ten or eleven states are the best, and
of course the worst you can only imagine. Let me
get to the right page. Here we are the worst
states to live in if you're an American are Number
one is California, Number two is Colorado, number three is Hawaii,

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four is Oregon, five is New York State, six is
Rhode Island, seven is Connecticut, eight is the state of Washington,
nine is the state of Illinois, and ten is the
state of Rhode Island. So if you live in one
of those ten states controlled by the Democratic Party that
talks about affordability all the time, they talk about it,
but don't do it because the expenses of living in

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the city of Cincinnati, a blue city in the red state,
are much higher than living in Sycamore Township or living
in Boone County. Right, But if you're a blue city
in the red state, you're not so bad. But if
you're a blue city in a blue state, it's unaffordable.
So what are the Democrats complain about affordability whose policies
make the state unaffordable? That would be the Democratic Party.

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Whatever they say, assume the opposite is true. So when
they talk about affordability crisis, they're the ones causing the
affordability crisis that they quickly pin on the Republicans. So
data centers absolutely right. Now we have almost five thousand
in the country. We need about fifteen thousand. And as
long as they're far removed from residential areas, as long

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as they're a net positive for the grid, and as
long as they all the zoning laws and other employment regulations,
why not. What's the reason not to do it? Because
other states will do it. To have a local data
center is going to save you more money. And when
modular nuclear reactors become a reality within five years, the

(28:16):
Trumpsters demand it immediate dispersal of these modular nuclear reactors
that have been on submarines for the past fifty years,
and you can load them on the back of a truck,
one of the great trucks available on the Interstate highway system,
and then transport that to the facility and hook it up.

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Within five years, we're going to have these modular nuclear
reactors that's going to funnel and fuel all of the
electrical needs of data centers and more smaller communities, maybe
like Deer Park or Sycamore Township with Tom Weedman. The
weed Man cares about these things. In fact, the milite
rate in Sycamore Township is less than the milite rate

(28:58):
in the city of Cincinnati, and the fund from out
all of their requirements, and they're going to increase it
by eight mills. That's just the increase. So it's not
run correctly. And so I can see many small cities
and small villages having nuclear modular reactors within the next
five to ten years, and electrical needs will be much
less expensive and secondly, very easy to maintain during storms,

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et cetera. And so that's where we're headed. So the
Trumpster are put out an order a few months back
saying we're going to fast track these data centers, but
with requirements of certain separation from residential areas, and they
must be a net positive for electrical expenses utility expenses

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for the residents living in that area. That was not
the case until Donald Trump took office. Now it is.
So the new ones are being By the way, it
takes two to four years to build a new one,
so many are already in the pipeline. Thousands of jobs created,
hundreds of jobs to maintain it. When I talk to
my friends like Johnny Kraft to Craft Electric, they tell
me that there's a need for five hundred thousand more

(30:05):
electricians in America over the next five years. Five hundred
thousand new electricians. They're begging for those to enter, young
men and women to be an electrician or be a plumber.
Scott Sloan would love this kind of talk. Be a drywaller,
be a carpenter. But the electrical needs are incredible in
this country. And for some person struggling in school, get

(30:25):
to hell out and get to some electrical school and
get your high school diploma and then go into an
eighteen month program to become a master electrician. After two
or three years you make six figures full benefits. Generally
it's eight to five, no weekends, no holidays. It's a
wonderful occupation. According to Johnny Craft to Craft electric at
He's right. I read the stuff from the Wall Street Journal,

(30:48):
how we're miseducating children, and we're talking about transgender dolls.
We're talking about DEI talking about multiplying and subtracting and aiding,
dividing by race or gender or sexual orientation. Please, let's
deal with the basics of the crafts and the trades.
That that's where the and that's where the future is
for so many Americans that don't care about English and

(31:10):
don't care about gender studies not important, so that's my
soapbox for the moment. But listen after one o'clock today
we have an expert coming on data centers and why
with rules and regulations they make all the sense in
the world because it is the next generation of fueling
this great economy of ours. By the way, the Communist Party,

(31:32):
Democratic Socialists and others don't want them. They're going to
fund movements to stop data centers, just says the Communist
Party is funded the defund the police movement or hate
Ice movement, whatever that might be. By the way, fifty
seven America, fifty seven human beings were killed when Obama
was in office in inter interaction with ICE because criminals

(31:54):
tend to run, tend to fight, tend to ran their
cars into ice vehicles, and more than four dozen were
killed by ICE rightfully under Barack Husain Obama, and it
was a non story. In fact, under Obama, the media
did ride alongs with ICE to talk about the tough
work they had to do. Every time there's some misapp

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in which some apprehending criminals tries to hurt an ICE officials,
suddenly the Communist Party is funding a lot of these
protests against ICE and against data centers because and now
also they fund universities. One hundred thousand Chinese students are
here and they pay the full boat, which means universities
want Chinese students to be here who are implicit passive

(32:38):
spies because the Chinese Communist government will pay full boat.
And that's how many universities are kept aflut. So let's
continue with more. And lastly, just when you think things
are looking dark, I know right now the media is
in a big deal talking about the affordability crisis, which
is caused by the policies of the Democrat Party. Right,

(33:00):
media ever go into you talk about affordability, why is
it so expense to to live in cities control by
the Democratic Party because you care about affordability, But the
Republican controlled states are more affordable and the Democratic controlled
states are most unaffordable. So someone needs to make the
connection in your mind. But secondly, big story at New

(33:22):
York Times yesterday inside the phone throwing drama at the
troubled broke Democratic Party. Wasn't aware of this? I think
I know everything, but I don't. Story written involves the
throwing of a device a phone by Ken Martin. The
fifty three year old party chairman who found himself increasingly isolated,

(33:45):
grip by fear that will lose his job, and lying
upon a vanishing small circle of people. Allegedly, according to
this woman, in early July, a couple of weeks ago,
he threw his phone at the desk of a female
junior aid while unbraiding that person. The phone tossing incident
resulted in a formal complaint to the DNC's HR department.

(34:08):
So a female employee not hit by the phone, but
a phone was thrown out her went to the Ken
Martin's HR department to complain about Ken Martin unbelievable. Martin
said he meant to throw the phone at a desk
and he missed, almost striking the aid, a female. In
addition to that, how about these numbers, you know? And politics?

(34:31):
Money is like mother's milk, It's required. The DNC right
now is in debt three point five million dollars Democratic
National Committee in their operating account. They just took out
a fifteen million dollar mortgage to pay off the financial
fiasco of the of their residents of their home of
the DNC in Washington. They went to a bank and

(34:54):
bard fifteen million dollars with the agreement to pay it back.
So the Democrats are upside down about eight ten million
dollars negative getting ready for the election of ninety nine days.
Eighteen million upside down. On the other side of the coin,
the evil Republicans. The RNC has one hundred and thirty
million dollars in cash on hand, the Republican National Committee

(35:15):
hundred and thirty million, and the Trump pack has four
hundred million. Put that together, the Republicans are plus five
hundred and thirty million, the Democrats are minus eighteen million.
Who's favor to win according to the media, that'd be
the Democrats, of course. So you can't complain about affordability
when your policies CAUs it, would you agree? Just the

(35:37):
thought of mine on my part, so plus pull show
according to this report right here. How about this one question?
Ask should he Ron be allowed to block, attack, mine,
or extort ships in the traits or her? Meuse? Seventy
two percent Americans say no, seventy two percent me included.

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I would assume you understand that Iran is a mortal
threat to this country and that they must be stopped.
Those are polls that never see the light of day,
would you agree. So step back, look at what's going on,
and understand that the Communist Party is now alive and
well in America, and it's owning now the Democratic Party,

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which is why Van Jones and rom E Manuel are
so angry. It owns the universities, and it owns the
protest culture available all over the country at a moment's
notice for any protests, call out the protesters to make
it look as if the people are arising to object
to eyes or the police, when in reality they're bought
and paid for protesters by the Communist Party, which is

(36:40):
alive and well, which is kind of said, kind of sick,
but it's the way things are today. So let's continue
with more the line becomes available five one, three, seven, four, nine,
seven thousand. After one o'clock today will be Steve gorm
Read's back in town tonight, and within a week next
week's the trade deadline. I think four o'clock on all
August the third. We'll see what happens to the Reds.

(37:03):
They've won two out of three in Colorado, two out
of three in Seattle, two out of three in Saint Louis.
They're finally marching again to glory. So let's continue with
more Bill Cunningham, Keep Hope Alive. Were Great Americans on
News Radio seven hundred WLW Bill Cunningham, The Great American.

(37:26):
Steve Gorm is the executive director of the Climate Science
Coalition of America. Author report great books on energy, climate change,
and sustainable development, over one hundred thousand in print. Latest
one is Green Breakdown The Coming Renewable Energy Failure. And
once again, Steve Gorm, welcome to the Bill Cunningham Show.
You have a great column up on the so called

(37:48):
data centers. And first of all, Kathy Hochl and some
others hate them. In fact, they're in the state of Ohio.
I live in Ohio and about sixty five percent of
Ohio wins. Well at the first Blush don't like data centers.
I don't know why, but we need information upon which
we can cast an informed a ballot based upon actual facts.

(38:09):
For those listening, what is a data center? Where are
they and what do they sake to do? Give me
a full report.

Speaker 2 (38:16):
Hey, Bill, great to join you again.

Speaker 5 (38:18):
Yeah, data centers are the I guess, the heart of
the artificial intelligence revolution that we entered into about three
years ago. And it's growing all the time, and people
using AI for all sorts of different things. AI is
handled in data centers, and the data center is like
a big warehouse, but it's filled with servers and boards

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and graphics processing units that run artificial intelligence.

Speaker 2 (38:48):
It used to be the data centers.

Speaker 5 (38:49):
Are running the Internet and cloud storage, but increasingly they're
running and running these AI systems, and so we have
these things being built all over the place to support AI.
And you're right about about sixty five seventy percent of
people in the US are afraid of them. I think
it's a bad idea. They've been getting a lot of
bad press. But they're being built all over and I

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think the builders are getting smarter about working with people
as well. Start of twenty twenty four, we had about
twenty seven hundred data centers in the United States. Now
that's over forty three hundred and continues to grow. My
numbers are from a group called USA Data Centers. Ohio
now has two hundred and five data centers and built

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fifty three of them in the last two years. That's
up about about eighty eight percent from the prior. So
we have these being built all over the country and
there's all kinds of bad press about them. We can
talk about what people should be concerned about, but they
are a fact of life right now.

Speaker 2 (39:52):
Four percent of Yeah, go ahead.

Speaker 1 (39:54):
We need them because all that I have one of
my devices, one of my left hand once in front
of me, laptop off to the side. Ten years ago,
I had only one device, and now I got multiple devices.
I know that AI is going to solve many cancer difficulties.
In fact, cancer trials go through an AI application and

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it runs through billions of possibilities. It's wonderful as far
as those issues. So why does it have such a
negative connotation. Give me the two or three reasons people
are frightened of the unknown?

Speaker 5 (40:26):
Well, I think the progressives have come out against it,
and a lot of the regular people as well.

Speaker 4 (40:31):
So there's some reasons.

Speaker 5 (40:32):
First off, I think the data center builders, and we're
talking now the people that are the hyperscalers. We're talking
Amazon and Meta and Microsoft and Google and Oracle. I
think they went and built a lot of these data
centers without the people really knowing about it, and they
had non disclosure agreements and they didn't disclose them, and
then people found all of a sudden they had these

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big data centers near the residential areas and they're like
big warehouses. You know, nobody wants a warehouse next the house.
And then it's gotten getting a lot of bad press
as well. There's a lot of press saying they're using
too much power, and your electric bills are going up,
they're using too much water, and your your water prices
are going to go up to be water shortages. And

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then we have the green folks of course, saying, well,
they're using too much electricity and they're causing man made
global warming. So we've had a whole bunch of people
come out against them, as matter of fact, we have.
We've had it was Representative Costio Cortes and Senator Bernie
Sanders that actually introduced a bill a couple of months

(41:36):
ago to try and ban all data center construction in
the United States. So, you know, there's been a lot
of folks that have come out against them, and there's
a lot of misinformation. Now, the good news is these
people building these data centers are being more sensible. They're
starting to talk to the local communities, let them know
what they're doing, and pointing out that in many places

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are building their own power plants.

Speaker 2 (42:01):
Yes, and in that in that.

Speaker 5 (42:03):
Case your electricity prices aren't going up if they're building
their own plants. They're also ways to uh to minimize
the water use so it doesn't affect local local communities.
And then of course they should be built out in
areas that are not next to residences. They should be
zoned industrial and maybe out a little bit not right
next to the city. So the good thing is that

(42:24):
people building these centers are are taking taking doing a
better job of informing people and and uh working with
the local communities. So that is the good news. But
this is this is something that's happening.

Speaker 1 (42:37):
Let's get into this. In Ohio, for example, uh, we
have more water than we can ever use between the
Ohio River Great and Little Miami Lake.

Speaker 3 (42:45):
Erie.

Speaker 1 (42:45):
We got all the water in the world. Places like Arizona, Colorado,
they got some difficulties. And I'm told by a little
birdie out of the White House they're about to have
an executive order, an EO that requires all new data
centers be energy positive for the electrical grid. In other words,
maybe modular nukes or something that character But going forward,
Trump's going to require these data centers to be a

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positive and unused energy must go into the grid, and
up to this point that's not been the case.

Speaker 5 (43:13):
Well, this is already in process. Mister Trump came up
with something called the rate Payer Protection Plan, and back
in February, all the big hyperscalers sign this, Meta and
Oracle and Amazon and Google. They all agreed that they
would pay for any increase in electricity costs. Now, we
also have the utilities that are signing the rate Pair

(43:35):
Protection Plan. We have utilities all across the country and
even state governors are signing these. So the data centers
now are working to In many cases, what they're doing
is building their own power plants right on site. And
what these are typically are gas fired power plants, so
they're not taking electricity from the grid. If it's a

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big data center, they're taking it. They're building their own
power plant and this will keep rates from going up
for consumers. Now, as far as water, there's a lot
of misrepresentation in the press, and there are several different
ways to cool. You need water typically to cool servers,
the boards, and the AI systems, unless it's a small

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data center. I was in one there Houston recently. They
didn't use any.

Speaker 4 (44:19):
Water at all.

Speaker 2 (44:20):
It was all air cooled.

Speaker 5 (44:21):
But if you just bring in water and you do
evaporative cooling, you keep evaporating water and you use a
lot of water. That's not the way data center should
be designed. More and more now is they're putting in
contained systems where they use water to cool the boards
and the servers. But then that water is captured within
a closed system, it condenses and they reuse it again.

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And when you do that, you don't use much water.
And then there's people are actually coming out with systems
that are using that.

Speaker 2 (44:53):
Are non conducting fluids, so you don't use any water
at all. They're using fluids to handle the boards.

Speaker 5 (45:00):
Now, the key for communities, states and counties is that
the people building data centers have to be transparent. They
need to tell them what they're doing in terms of
power and water. And if they do that, then they
want to make sure that the water is being recycled
and they're not using a lot of water. And if
it's a big data center, they're they're building their own

(45:20):
power plants. So this can be done sure, and.

Speaker 4 (45:25):
It is.

Speaker 5 (45:26):
You know, more and more of the people building data
centers that are working with the local communities.

Speaker 2 (45:29):
So that's a good side.

Speaker 1 (45:31):
And the other issue is the Democrats will lotch on
this issue and the big race locally shared brown as
an alkali, a democratic socialist trending toward my God communism,
who thinks data centers are evil, same as Governor Hoceal.
She has issued an executive order banning large data centers

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in the state of New York. So are states once
again like blue state's gonna gonna lose out in this
because the rates are going to be higher because of
the policies of government in those states. And since in Ohio,
for example, we were selected by Joe Kernan of CNBC
as the number one state in the nation for new businesses,
and it's because partially we're open to the idea of

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data centers as long as it's positive for the average consumer.
So tell the American people what is Hokll doing plus
many other blue state governors, which is hurting their blue states?

Speaker 2 (46:22):
The Blue states are.

Speaker 5 (46:22):
Falling behind because they're trying to ban data center centers
or now New York past a temporary statewide ban. Governor Hochal,
that's the first state in the nation. But if you
look at where these data centers are being built, it's
not in the Blue states. In the last two years,
California's built twenty data centers, but that's only a seven

(46:43):
percent increase. New York's only built six data centers of
two years, Colorado only won. Massachusetts build the zero data centers.
And you have places like Indiana where they've built eighty
four new data centers, Ohio fifty three. In Texas they
built over two hundred and six data centers. And part
of the reason is these states still allow gas fired

(47:06):
power plants to power them, and that's that's the big
winner right now. People are building a lot of gas plants.
In Illinois, for example, they're banning gas plants, and so
you know, why would you go build the data center there.

Speaker 2 (47:19):
You can't.

Speaker 5 (47:19):
You can't do it with wind and solar. You have
to have seven D twenty four hour power. So yeah,
the the and in general, there are some blue states
that are a little bit of an exception. Virginia is one.
They've been building a lot. But a lot of these
blue states are going to lose out on the economy.
And there's there's huge amounts of jobs, huge amounts of
tax revenue, and a lot of economic.

Speaker 1 (47:41):
Growth, and Trump's rate payer protection plan is the key.
The citizens, especially in states like Ohio, got to understand
when important elections come up. We got a big one
in November that the Democratic Socialists want to go back
to the to the horse and buggy era and Republicans.
It's in Ohio with the wine or many other states. Indiana, Bron,

(48:04):
Governor Bron's doing a great job there. We're gonna have
lower rates. And for example, this is a different matter.
I just filled up my gas tank my Chevy Blazer
three dollars and forty nine cents a gallon. And in Midwest, that's.

Speaker 2 (48:16):
What it is.

Speaker 1 (48:17):
The national average is high because of the Blue states,
and business is bad in the Blue states. And these
data centers create thousands of jobs to begin with and
none hundreds or thousands of jobs going forward. And as
long as they're a net positive for the grid, that's
wonderful for business. And the states like Ohio, Indiana, Kentucky,
we have more water than we can never use and

(48:39):
we can keep the water cooled aspects of a power
of these of these data centers, and it puts to
work thousands of Americans living in those areas and that
big sucking sound will be jobs coming out of the
blue states like Illinois and maybe Maine and certainly New
York California. Correct, the sucking sound is the economic activity
leaving the blue states for the red ones.

Speaker 2 (49:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (49:03):
So again, the people in Ohio, what they need to
do is they need to get the plans from the
people building data centers. They need to disclose what they're
going to do for power, and what they're going to
do for water, and where they're going to build these
so they're not right next door to a bunch of houses.
And if they find the locations and you know, they're
building their own power plant, if it's a big one,

(49:23):
and they're recirculating water, all those things should allow them
to put in something that really grows.

Speaker 2 (49:28):
The community and can be a good thing.

Speaker 5 (49:30):
By the way, this artificial intelligence has become a new
reason for progressive politicians to demand bigger government. Senator Elizabeth
Warren has proposed a federal tax on all artificial intelligence
because she does she doesn't want the profits to go to.

Speaker 4 (49:46):
The big people.

Speaker 2 (49:46):
She wants the money to go to the little people.

Speaker 5 (49:48):
Redistributed and then Bernie Sanders has called for the federal
government to seize fifty percent ownership of all big AI companies.
So you know, there's always a reason to make government bigger,
and AI is the new one.

Speaker 1 (50:01):
Well, you have a great column also Canadian Prime Minister
Mark Karney. Of course all of us have gone quite
a bit of smoke from Canada and he's retreating from
climate control policies. Is Mark Karney? Are Canadians seeing the light?

Speaker 5 (50:16):
Yeah, this is really a big story. Mark Carney, the
new Prime minister, says that the climate plan under Justin
Trudeau was too expensive and too divisive. He's taken off
the emissioned requirements for energy companies, for oil and gas,
and this is huge. Mark Carney was appointed by UN

(50:36):
Secretary General Antonio Gutierrez in twenty nineteen. Carney was the
United Nations Special Envoy for Climate Action and Finance and
he served in that position at the UN for six years.
He was a big climate change promoter, and now he's
Prime Minister in Canada. He's saying, well, you know, our
missions are going to go up, but we want better policy.
So it's really a huge change and we're seeing this

(50:58):
really all over. It's part of the green breakdown that
I talk about in my book, and people are moving
away from climate alarminism, alarmism, and then zero energy.

Speaker 1 (51:08):
One other issue is modular type small nuclear power plants.
Right now, it's close. They've been used on US nuclear
powered submarines for about fifty years. It's slow rolling out.
Explain how that's going to solve maybe most of our
electricity problems in the future, these modular nukes.

Speaker 5 (51:28):
Yeah, Well, one of the reasons they've been building putting
gas in is they can do it quickly. All these
guys want to put up these data centers in two
or three years. The big nuclear plants have taken a
long time. Someone will have taken ten years or so.
But last May, President Trump signed four executive orders on
nuclear and one of them said he wanted to quae
drupele our nuclear capacity by twenty fifty. And they've also

(51:50):
funded I think eleven I guess they're providing loans for
eleven small modular reactor plans across the country. For of
those are now up and running as demonstrators. So there's
a possible big new nuclear transition and we may see
these data centers powered by small modular reactors. You know,
the thing is it's still a little bit experimental. So

(52:13):
they have to get these things up, they have to
get the costs down. But the idea here again, as
you would build these in a factory, these SMRs, you'd
be able to put them on a truck or on
a train and bring them to the site where they're
going to be set up. And so they should be
able to get the costs down and the time to
build down. But we'll just have to see, you know,
we hope that occurs. But still a little bit experimental.

Speaker 1 (52:36):
And you have a great Onlumn about a column about
the AI revolution is leaving green energy states way behind
and it's more expensive. In fact, I have another column
here which relates to what you're saying, Steve Gorm, and
that is CNBC not exactly a conservative outlet has listed
the ten least affordable states to live in in America

(52:56):
and the ten best states to live in America. How
may I say the best states to live in affordability
and utilities are about the one of the seven or
eight measurements is number one Missouri, Ohio, Alabama, Affordable, West Virginia, Kansas, Iowa, Wyoming,
North and South Dakota, Kentucky, and Tennessee. And you can

(53:17):
guess which are the most expensive states to live in
and they all shall we say blue states very expensive,
which are number one is California, Colorado, Hawaii, Oregon, New York,
Rhode Island, Connecticut, Washington, and Illinois all have above average rents,
a lack of job creation, and utility expenses plus insurance

(53:38):
cost and so you know, the people are voting with
their feet to leave the blue states for the red ones.

Speaker 2 (53:43):
Here it is, well, they are in Illinois, by the way.

Speaker 5 (53:46):
Illinois build a few data centers, but they also have
this law that says if you have a gas plant
or a coal plant, you got to shut it down
by as early as twenty thirty. And so we just
have a case here. They have a guest plant called
the Elwood power Plant one point three gigawatts, and the
company got the message they have to shut it down
by twenty thirty.

Speaker 2 (54:07):
So they said, well, we're not going to wait.

Speaker 5 (54:09):
So they're taking the plant and they're putting it on
trucks and they're shipping it down to Texas flatbed trucks,
this whole gas fired power plant. Uh So Texas is
building all these data centers and needs power. And by
the way, it's hard to get a gas turbine. They
the la times have gotten to be long. But they're
taking power plants right out of Illinois.

Speaker 2 (54:28):
And if these these greens, if these green.

Speaker 5 (54:31):
States say hey, you know you can't, you can't use
a gas power plant, they're all going to head to
They're going to head to UH Red States and then
they're going to put them up there next to data
centers and the blue estates.

Speaker 1 (54:41):
Cost of living. Skyrocket's got to run. Steve Gorham, how
did the American people get a hold of you and
your columns in your book? What are things?

Speaker 4 (54:49):
Are?

Speaker 3 (54:49):
They?

Speaker 5 (54:49):
Yeah, they can get my book Green Breakdown from my
website Steve Gorham g O R E H A M
dot com. If they buy my books there, I'll send
them a signed copy and Breakdown. In addition to having
these science and economics, it's a colored paperback. It's got
about one hundred and fifty colored sidebars, which are real headlines.
Here's one a Swedish scientist advocates advocates.

Speaker 2 (55:12):
Eating humans to combat climate change.

Speaker 5 (55:15):
There's actually a professor that would give lectures and then
at the end he would ask the audience whether they're
willing to try human flesh.

Speaker 1 (55:22):
Cannibal. Cannibal isn't by the left. That's good stuff. Gotta run,
Steve gorm your wonderful executive director, Climate Science Coalition, once again,
thanks for coming on the Bill Cunningham show stand you Bill.
You're a great American. The truth will set us free.
Thank you, Steve. Bill Cunningham with you every afternoon on
news radio seven hundred w l W. Goodbuye's Only GUYE. Hello, Byant, I'm.

Speaker 7 (55:52):
Broadcasting Goodbye's Only Guide.

Speaker 1 (56:00):
And let's go what six and three on the trip?
Come on? Now, I've done some work statistically, Oh boy,
in the National League the last ten games of the
fifteen teams, only two teams have a better record than
the Reds the past ten games. Can you believe that?

Speaker 4 (56:18):
One?

Speaker 1 (56:18):
I'm looking at it right.

Speaker 4 (56:20):
Not bad.

Speaker 1 (56:21):
They got ten at home now, yep, and they should.
They got the Cleveland Guardians. Then they got four with
Olivia Dunn's Pirates, correct, and three with the Athletics.

Speaker 4 (56:31):
Right.

Speaker 1 (56:31):
And we said last week on this nine game or
if they go five and four or four and five,
that'd be okay. What happened?

Speaker 4 (56:41):
Will you?

Speaker 8 (56:41):
They just keep winning two out of three, and it'll
just keep adding up six and three.

Speaker 1 (56:46):
They go in the right now, if they and this
ten games, give me the number ten days or so
from now, we'll be sitting here, I hope will. What
would the Reds have done in these ten games at home?
Six and four, six and four or six three and one.
I'm going seven for a tie, seven and two and
a rain out?

Speaker 8 (57:06):
Was Poneman right that day? A minute seven and two? Well, no,
they're not gonna have they reigned. They're gonna play double headers.

Speaker 1 (57:13):
Now it's day.

Speaker 8 (57:14):
I'm making to my prediction. Okay, seven to two, I
say six and four and a postponement.

Speaker 1 (57:20):
I'm betting. Okay, Well, we'll see what happens. It's like
the golfer. Yesterday somebody went to DraftKings on Koible and
bet about him twenty thousand dollars that he'd win the tournament. Yeah,
odds are like eighteen hundred to one or something. How
many tournaments had he won before yesterday?

Speaker 2 (57:39):
Zero?

Speaker 8 (57:39):
He was out of Auburn, right, it was his third start. Yeah,
he was at the beats and he beats in the
world number one. Scotty Scheffler down the stretch.

Speaker 1 (57:47):
Cheffer on the weekend, Scotty shot sixty four and sixty
three and didn't pick up ground. I said, again, incredible,
and that the kid Jackson. I think it's some country
song about Jackson. I'm not sure. I'm sure there is.

Speaker 8 (58:05):
Johnny Cash and June Carter sat Jackson Jackson.

Speaker 1 (58:08):
Well, Jackson stared down the number one player in the world.
He just turned twenty one, and he's celebrated by going fishing.
A fished in the Lake of the Eighteenth. Two hours
after everyone left.

Speaker 8 (58:21):
He got his fishing rod and casting bass pro shumps
and I'm thinking, Okay, this guy, is he the next
big thing in golf, like a Jordan Speith was the
next big thing that flamed out.

Speaker 1 (58:33):
We'll see what happens. I don't know, but you shoot
sixty four sixty three Scheffler and you don't go anywhere,
go anywhere.

Speaker 8 (58:40):
And he was like twenty under part one time, right right, Well,
Scheffler ended up twenty two under and Koibel was twenty
five under all time record and he's twenty one years old.

Speaker 1 (58:52):
I'm going to be maybe the winner to give the
veteran a little lesson, so Jackson said. After all the
news conferences, hugging his dad and his mom was on
the fishing pole out he said.

Speaker 7 (59:03):
He said to the other guys, I'm going fishing a
right They all left. Any Yep, he went fishing. He
went fishing on.

Speaker 1 (59:09):
Eighteen and had some small mouth bass. No wait, and
they wait for almost sundown. I went fishing. I said,
that's pretty good sake. Get me into the student report,
will he the.

Speaker 8 (59:21):
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Speaker 1 (59:35):
Sixty nine hundred spot. And you need it today, Willy,
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Those segments.

Speaker 8 (59:42):
Sal Stewart drove in the go ahead run Willie with
that pinchon single in the tenth and mister Nathaniel Lowe,
how about that added insurance with a two out, two
run single. Reds beat those Cardinals, capping off that six
and three road trip coming out of the break.

Speaker 1 (59:56):
What about stairs.

Speaker 8 (59:57):
The Reds have won three straight road series for the
first first time since twenty twenty three.

Speaker 1 (01:00:01):
Say that again.

Speaker 8 (01:00:03):
The Reds have won three straight road series for the
first time since twenty twenty three. The patient is a
heartbeat number forty four and what key Brian Hayes Homer.
I saw that for the first time since May the
fourth of what year. You wait and see he's coming on.
I think he's going to be the comeback player of
the year. Brian Hayes, Spencer Steer. They don't have an update.

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He was suffered that hand wrist injury at bat in
the fifth inning. He imaging what is if he's got
the handmate, that means it's going to be out for
a little bit and not tradable.

Speaker 1 (01:00:36):
I like Joe Burrow right.

Speaker 8 (01:00:38):
Ten game homestand begins tonight thirst of three against those
Cleveland Guardians. Here it is and the coveted title is
back up for grabs again, the Ohio Cup. The Guardians
are up two games to one over the Red Lakes.
So if they go one, two out of three, three
to three, we get the Cup. We get the why

(01:00:58):
because we held it as I think so seven hundred
WLW six to ten, Sports Talk, Rnell Carriers Inside Pitch
and then Kelsey Chevrolet Extrading.

Speaker 1 (01:01:07):
Show after the game. Now Cleveland, there we go comes
to town. Really, here we go. They've lost five in
a row, including being swept at Tampa Bay.

Speaker 8 (01:01:15):
Over the weekend. The Guardians won one lost yesterday one nothing.
Drew Rasmussen allowed a leadoff single to start the game
and then retired twenty one of the final twenty three
batters he faced. Cleveland is fifty four and fifty three,
second in the Central to the White Sox and won.

Speaker 1 (01:01:33):
Andrew Bennettendee, look at this way, though, I worry about
Chase Burns being shut down. He's pitching tonight. Correct, correct, Well,
he be shut down around Labor Day and not allowed
to pitch anymore when the Reds are in the thick
of it. What do you say about that? I don't know,
only see what happens.

Speaker 4 (01:01:52):
I don't know.

Speaker 8 (01:01:52):
Bengals update, Of course, the Bengals had their pre training
cam luncheon today and veterans report tomorrow. Training camp starts
on Wednesday. Evan Dryer of the of It Anderson, the
Home of the Raptors, is the winner of the p
B Paul Brown Excellent and Coaching Award this year. He's

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led Anderson to two straight state finals.

Speaker 4 (01:02:19):
That's it.

Speaker 8 (01:02:19):
Let's see head coach Zach Taylor says that he expects
DJ Turner, Dax Hill, and Chase Brown. They don't have
any new deals yet, but he looks to them for
be on the field on Wednesday.

Speaker 1 (01:02:30):
And Dak Schilson so unable for pups? No, he's okay.

Speaker 8 (01:02:34):
BJ Hill has an ankle injury. He's on pup along
with rookie tight end Josh Cattis how long Yon the puff?
Is that permanent or just I don't know for a while.

Speaker 1 (01:02:44):
How about this?

Speaker 8 (01:02:45):
The wife of Kansas City Chiefs offensive coordinator Eric b
Enemy allegedly shot by the couple's son last night in
their home in Virginia.

Speaker 1 (01:02:54):
She's in stable condition. Oh, when you shoot your I guess,
mother says step mother?

Speaker 8 (01:02:59):
Is that Elijah Zion b Enemy twenty seven is charged
with malicious wounding, among other things.

Speaker 1 (01:03:07):
Well, that's bad, would you agree? And then how about
the forty nine ers.

Speaker 8 (01:03:12):
Kyle Shanahan suffering significant injuries in a car crash over
the weekend during his summer break is going to leave
him very limited as the team opens training camp. Broke
his nose, three ribs in his hand, needed more than
forty stitches in his face, and suffered a severe concussion.

(01:03:35):
About being behind the eight ball for it even starts.

Speaker 1 (01:03:38):
No dui, no drug. Simply he had an accident, right
and his body is broken, that's for sure.

Speaker 8 (01:03:45):
He will see July fourteenth crash when he collided with
an SUV near his California home.

Speaker 1 (01:03:51):
Well, he wish him. Well, I don't know what to
tell you so but bj Hill and they say Willie.

Speaker 8 (01:03:58):
And today the Bengal said it bj Hill with his
ankle injuries, getting close to returning, but they're still going
to wait.

Speaker 1 (01:04:04):
And you know, do you give it some time? Well,
there's lots of report. He's a good guy. Played football here,
is pretty good running back. He's at the Kansas City
Chase for a while, correct when they were doing great.
Anyone elsewhere didn't do so well. Then they brought him
back home. Yep. Reading this story, the Sun of case
O c Eric enemy rest of falling shooting at his

(01:04:27):
home in Virginia unbelievable. Responded to a report of his shooting.
They show up and one adult female suffering from multiple
gunshot wounds taken to a hospital and uh, this is awful.
And Eric left his place in Kansas City to go
to Virginia. So when you shoot your mother, that's not good.

(01:04:52):
You'd have to think there's something mental going on. But think,
but we'll see what happens there. You were You didn't
stay for the ark turtle soup? Is that correct?

Speaker 3 (01:05:01):
No?

Speaker 8 (01:05:01):
I did not stay for the mock turtle soup My
forty seventh Bengals pre training camp luncheon.

Speaker 1 (01:05:06):
What was different about this one compared to years in
the past.

Speaker 8 (01:05:10):
When people show up in Paul Brown Stadium or I
mean pay Corpse Stadium, you will not know it. It
has become a palace in the National Football League. Why
new escalators, every new flooring. Knew everything Willie the Western
Southern Club presented by John Barrett is fabulous. They had

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to put a big picture of him up. I mean
the whole place is being redone and revamped.

Speaker 1 (01:05:39):
So that the money, I don't know how much money
one hundred million or the numbers they got.

Speaker 8 (01:05:45):
They got all the money right now, all the money
they got, you got, the money they got the time downtown.

Speaker 1 (01:05:50):
There's nothing left no, So I don't know. And unlike
other years, this year there's no story to cover. Is
that fair to say? No holdouts? No holdouts? They got
they get. They're gonna give some guys some new deals.

Speaker 8 (01:06:05):
Apparently. Uh, there's no drama, no this, no that, nothing.
All I got to do is play football and win.
That's all they gotta do is win. Start with Tampa Bay,
then with Houston.

Speaker 7 (01:06:18):
Well, allegedly the Bengals have are the tenth best team
in football.

Speaker 8 (01:06:23):
And I talked to some Bengals officials today, Willie, and
they're and they don't have to go to Spain until November.
They're already sending material over there, like starting this week they're.

Speaker 1 (01:06:34):
Going to Spain, the World Cup champions.

Speaker 8 (01:06:37):
And you know where they're training where the World Cup
champions trained in Spain, in Madrid, Spain.

Speaker 1 (01:06:42):
About that one nineteen year old boy, what about him?
Is he gonna I think he's gonna be I think
he's gonna be a white Chase against him, gonna be
a wide receiver for the Bengals. I'm just saying they're
gonna sign him. But we'll see what happens down there.

Speaker 6 (01:06:55):
Then.

Speaker 8 (01:06:55):
How about how about the how about Saturday night when
hell is real? How about the freak with between FC
Cincinnati and a Columbus crew right near the end of
the game, and then it went into the tunnels.

Speaker 1 (01:07:06):
Soccer players don't know how to fight. There are a
bunch of whissies though I don't know what they plays,
always faking injuries, right. They to yell at each other.
They yell at you know, talk badly. Then they chase
each other and nothing happens. There are a bunch of whissies.
You don't want to see fighting. Watch the m m A.

Speaker 8 (01:07:24):
Usually it was usually you come out of the back
and into the ring and wrestling. The soccer players do
it the other way. They go out there outside on
the pitch and then they go in to fight. It's
the other way around.

Speaker 7 (01:07:38):
I bet there was no fighting going on using foul language, Yeah,
plenty of it. Yeah, bombs all over the place.

Speaker 1 (01:07:46):
And how about this admitted murderer of college students, Brian Colberger,
wants to withdraw his guilty play. Brian Coberger waved all
his rights to appeal. Yeah, but he says, I didn't
do it and I want a trial. You know, I
would have said, young man, you made your bed, bloody

(01:08:06):
bed now lying it?

Speaker 4 (01:08:09):
Oh he did?

Speaker 1 (01:08:09):
He didn't do it?

Speaker 2 (01:08:10):
Then?

Speaker 1 (01:08:10):
Who did? Some guy just walking down the street happy
to be there, he's got he's got the blood of
the victims on the night he got the fancy stuff,
indicating he was present cellular phone to I got all
that they have. They have blood of the victims inside
his car and he didn't know the victims. I don't

(01:08:32):
know O. J. Simpson. And uh, he says he called
a reporter on Thursday and said, he's an absolute claim
of innocence, and this is an outrage. Brian Coberger. Boy,
he's this is this is an outrage. And they'd spent
hours on the guilty plea, the judge going over and

(01:08:52):
you're doing this or doing that, got four consecutive life
sentences from murdering four college kids, and uh, he said, quote,
my actual innocence is my truth. And the plea hinged
on me by false promises, blatant dis information and bad
representation by my lawyer must be with his fault, must

(01:09:13):
be with their fault. Okay, I gotta be with John
I see. And and a part of the plea was
waiving his right to appeal. In other words, you're done, understand,
yes I do. He said he got bad legal advice.
He didn't do it well.

Speaker 8 (01:09:27):
He should have called you for free legal advice, and
don't you absolutely right, it's it's that's how you started.

Speaker 1 (01:09:33):
That's that's exactly what it's worth, right free me and
the magic Man could have gone there, Merlin Shiverducker and
I would have gone out there and represented him for
nothing and get Scottie crosswell too, and maybe just as
Joe you like that matchup. But a dream team that way,
that's a dream team. And that says I didn't do it,
didn't do it, didn't do it. I'm innocent, explain away

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the evidence.

Speaker 8 (01:09:54):
Young John Welkes Booth was innocent. Lee Harvey oswald O J.
Simpson innocent of course.

Speaker 1 (01:10:01):
But one of the reasons you take the guilty pleay
is to end all the machinations of the legal system,
get rid of the trials, get rid of the motions.
You have no right to appeal. They got to go
back really to square one.

Speaker 7 (01:10:14):
I predict what the judge can say, Knobabana, no you
wave see they got the guts and he was He
was asked, are you under the influence of any drugs?

Speaker 1 (01:10:26):
Do you have any mental conditions? Do you do this
of your free will? Because it's the truth, you in
fact killed this four he said, yes, yes, yes, you
know you're waving your right to appeal. You're waving your
right for a trial prot Yes, I understand. Now here
we are are. About eight months later, he's in prison
saying I didn't do it. I didn't do it. What
they all say? The judge should say, young man, you

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did it?

Speaker 4 (01:10:48):
See you.

Speaker 1 (01:10:50):
Motion denied? Move on? Unbelievable. Andy Mack saying I have
a guest coming up now, Indy Peterson, who has uh
shall we up close and personal interactions with aliens and UFOs?

Speaker 2 (01:11:08):
What woa?

Speaker 1 (01:11:09):
This is something Trump believes in? UFOs say, get me
out of the stuge report? Please?

Speaker 2 (01:11:14):
Will he?

Speaker 8 (01:11:14):
On this Monday, July twenty seventh, we see, Happy birthday
to the one and only who Bugs Bunny eighty six
years old today, Bugs Bunny.

Speaker 1 (01:11:25):
Like, make your mouse sounds racist to me? What's up?
Doc Hey? Sounds racist to me? Mickey Mouse is racist?
Yes it is. Don't you know the subliminal messages you're
receiving from Bugs Bunny? Yeah, from Wiley Coyote and Elmer Fudd,
Daffy Duck. Yeah, don't you know what then? And what
about what's his name? Donald Duck got them all say,

(01:11:48):
give me out of the Stuge report. By the way,
I didn't do nothing. I didn't do it. We leave
you with the immortal words of the Stooge Report. At
some point it foolishness is got to stop. Let's talking
about the Haitians leaving Springfield? How about that on seven
hundred WLW Billy cunning in The Great American. Of course,

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I watch most congressional hearings on YouTube off hours, and
one of the things happening is that there is sincere belief.
I think among many United States senators and congressmen that
there are shall we say, UFOs and shall we say
aliens that are visiting the earth and doing certain things.
In the past, it was a nineteen fifties type movie.

(01:12:37):
Today it's a reality. I don't dismiss whatsoever the testimony
under oath of naval pilots who talk about orbs or
other devices that exceed human capability. And what is happening
a man that has written a book on the subject
and has had some connection with an orb is Indy Peterson.
Indy Peterson is author of Sacrificing Humanity. The UFO is

(01:13:00):
supporting of nuclear war, and himself had a close encounter
with an ORB in South America and at the present
time in sacrificing humanity. Peterson also points out that maybe
there's an advantage that we do not have when it
comes to dealing with individuals, and I'm told by the
scientific community it's impossible to travel from one galaxy to another,

(01:13:23):
but that I don't think that's the case. Indy Peterson,
welcome again into Bill Cunningham Show. And first of all,
over the last few months has been more testimony accepted
by many responsible politicians that there is somehow connection to
UFO witnessing and whistle blowers available to giving all this information.
And by the way, having spoken indirectly with the President,

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I think Donald Trump believes that these things are real.
I wish you'd give us more information. So if you
can talk about your own encounter with an ORB and secondly,
what is it portend for the United States of America
in fact the world in general.

Speaker 6 (01:14:01):
Okay, well, thank you for having me back, appreciate it.
So my own encounter with ORB everything started when I
purchased an island in Patagonia and wrote Chile on the
coastline and probably one of the most remote places on
the planet. That was inaccessible prior to the road going

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the dirt road going in down there. And to make
this long story short, my business partner and I were
coming back. I was in the project building a sixty
million dollar resort on the island over watertop of Waterfall.
Had a number one architect, Antoine Predock down there, a

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great expense and I'm getting investors coming down there. Met
a lot of these breakaway civilization people, which we can
talk about later if you'd like. And so my business
partner and I were coming up on the community straw
at three am when we last left the last town
of Port Assistance, a little tiny town which was one

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hundred miles south of us. There was not a single
human being out there in the park in the middle
of the night, in the winter, at three am, and
we pulled over and first we saw it in the distance,
zipping around doing all the right angle turns and all
that stuff. So initially it looked like a star, but
it's seeing us watching it. It came down and hubbard

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over the tree next to the truck where the truck
was parked, and then it navigated very intelligently between the
space of the tree and the truck down to my
side window, right where my head was, and my face
was pressed up against the glass, and I was looking
inside of it, and it's got.

Speaker 2 (01:15:44):
A metal liquid metal churning.

Speaker 6 (01:15:47):
Going on inside of it. This whole thing took about
fifteen minutes. So it rolls out ball, lightning and the
piece of electric effect as other possible explanations. But I
could tell that the engine was very powerful. When I
looked in side, there's only two feet in front of
my faith, which is closer than any human being that
I know of that lived to tell about it. Because
the Stanford, famous Stanford pathologists who studied these victims, who

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who had experienced these on nuclear launch sites, which they're
interrupting by the way, I'm taking control of command and
control systems. They go out and get zapped by these things.
And of the one hundred Gary Nolan, the Stanford pathologists
studied for the victims families as a consultant, twenty five

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died and the rest had serious brain damage similar to
Vena syndrome.

Speaker 2 (01:16:42):
So I was fortunate.

Speaker 6 (01:16:43):
But in the congressional hearings, they say, some of the
orbs aren't They aren't all the same the red ones
which we saw in trench number four that were on
the moon. Those are the most dangerous ones. Those are
the ones that will fry you.

Speaker 1 (01:16:58):
Yes, in your story, you say the fun and to
my way of thinking, Congressman Tim Burchett of Tennessee is
somber and sober. He's always holding news conferences pressing for
more transparency about these visitors, UAPs and UFOs, and he's
also remarked publicly. I heard him say it that if

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the classified information that the Congressman has received is of
such a character, it would keep Americans awake at night,
that it's serious. And this is one of the more conservative,
shall I say, normal representatives. Do you know what he's
talking about?

Speaker 6 (01:17:34):
Well, yeah, Actually I will add to his quote, he
said when he got the hell scared out of him,
excuse the French first, I will maintain sec ratings here.
The things I've seen, you'd be up at night worrying,
he said. Worrying was a keyword, and then he added later,
I'm not suicidal, repeating the mantra of the leven missing

(01:17:57):
or dead scientists that are all related to UFOs that
are suddenly gone missing, like one of them was with
two of her colleagues on her trail. She was the
one that was responsible for looking into the materials that
these things are made out of, because they in Congress
they said they do three thousand g's. Our aircraft fall apart,

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disintegrated seventeen g's. So how is it that these things
do three thousand g's with the right angle turns and
completely to fire our physics?

Speaker 2 (01:18:29):
But she was on a trail.

Speaker 6 (01:18:30):
She's one of the experts in the materials, because the
materials are the key to these and she was thirty
feet behind, not yards, but feet behind one of her
friends and she just disappeared gone. And there's eleven of
these now, So there's a quite a So when Burchett
says I'm not suicidal, he's repeating the mantra of those

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who who've been briefed on these things or and or
are scientists who are looking into how the things run
or the materials they're made out of, and they vanish.

Speaker 1 (01:19:06):
Well, why doesn't the government, whether it's whether it was
Obama or Biden, if you knew what he was doing,
or Trump, make it public? Well why not? Birchet is
a good guy Tennessee congressman, and he has information that
we don't what interest is there in not making these
things completely public?

Speaker 2 (01:19:23):
Why?

Speaker 6 (01:19:24):
Well, I believe that Trump is being the most transparent
president we had because he released the JFK Pile files
and says release them, and and people are fighting that
he said, release the UFO files. He said, release the
Epstein files.

Speaker 2 (01:19:40):
The Epstein files.

Speaker 6 (01:19:41):
The last crunch was horrifying, beyond belief. I can't even
talk about in the radio, what's in those things. I've
read hundreds of them, and they're they're they're killing and
eating children, and it's just absolutely horrific.

Speaker 2 (01:19:53):
And Epstein admits to.

Speaker 6 (01:19:56):
There's one girl, and I'll just this one I can
quote on the radio. This young girl is in her
bed and she's praying to Jesus save her life. This
is Epstein in his email.

Speaker 2 (01:20:06):
So this is the don't words. He said, she's in her.

Speaker 6 (01:20:09):
Bed praying to Jesus to save her life. Whoops, whoops unquote,
which means he killed her. And then his friend says, oh,
that's the Jesus I'm coming tricks.

Speaker 2 (01:20:21):
So they're really sick.

Speaker 6 (01:20:24):
But so the same thing with the UFO files. They
start off a lot of people are going around them
because they're getting fed up with this, and so they're
releasing things out through It's really interesting. The ORB experience
I had, which I believe because I've been on somebody shows,
but I think on your show I was one of

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the first ones explained on your show that the ORB.
It was almost like something out of Star Trek, where
it materialized in front of my face into a being
with a head and torso and so forth. And I
had not heard of anyone who had ever experienced that before.
It is kind of like beam me up, Scottie. So

(01:21:05):
it was slowly materializing, and I've never seen anything like
that anywhere until this latest data dump where there's hundreds
of files that were dumped through unofficial channels to get
them out through military, high level military people. And in
one of those there's an ORB that's doing exactly that.

(01:21:26):
It's called anamorphous ORB, not amorphos, but anamorphis, which means
it's arms and legs come in last and a material
is starting to materialize. The one I saw actually materialized
more so these small orbs that it was right in
front of me.

Speaker 2 (01:21:43):
It's the size of a bowling.

Speaker 6 (01:21:44):
Ball, and it's got this massive, powerful engine of metal
churning right and two feet.

Speaker 2 (01:21:50):
In front of my face. I couldn't be any.

Speaker 6 (01:21:52):
Closer to sit and examine the thing. It was only
the piece of the side glass of the side windows
of the.

Speaker 2 (01:21:59):
Truck between me. It. That's it.

Speaker 6 (01:22:00):
My face is pressed up against the glass and it
was right next to the glass, so they couldn't get
any closer.

Speaker 1 (01:22:06):
Indy Peterson. Yeah, And what you're saying is the same
thing said by US Air Force and naval pilots that
the orbs travel at right angles and three thousand g's,
hundreds or thousands of miles an hour. They dive into
the ocean and then pop out of the ocean, things
that human beings we cannot do. And one thing about
the Trumpster, that's a great point you made, India, is

(01:22:28):
that he wants to make things public. The Kennedy wants
to release that, got it, and then they file the lawsuits.
The Epstein files, there's two million released, another million. He
wants those released. Martin Luther King junior files are due
to be released next year, in twenty twenty seven, but
the family's suing him, so he can't release the files
about mL King. And now he wants to release these

(01:22:48):
things and he's being sued again not to release them.
One other thing in your articles is some are preparing
for this specifically billionaires. Explain with those who have a
lot of money, maybe they have in side information. What
are the billionaires doing.

Speaker 6 (01:23:04):
Well? I met quite a few of these and what
Catherine Austin Fits, a former assistant secretary of HUD calls
a breakaway civilization that Dan was the one to first
coined that term for these people X files. Call them
the syndicate where they go around murdering people with immunity,

(01:23:24):
cancer man or smoking man.

Speaker 2 (01:23:26):
How every call him? You know X files? Chris Carter
had those.

Speaker 6 (01:23:30):
He admitted he had scripts or X files leaked to
him by a whistle blower on the U and the
CIA to get the UFO information out through fiction. So anyway,
so I met a number of these people in this
what they call the numbers of people calling the breakaway
civilization billionaires down there when I was I'll give you

(01:23:51):
a couple of quick stories because we don't have much time,
but I elaborate about this in my book Sacrificing Humanity.
One was the Morgans of the chain Morgan Bank that
just paid two hundred ninety million to the Epstein victims.

Speaker 2 (01:24:04):
This is all related.

Speaker 6 (01:24:05):
Number of the Epstein victims saw the UFOs there at
Zoro Ranch, and Juliet woke up on a table naked
with people and has mets and very large figures that
were didn't look human, as she described it, creating hybrids. Anyway,
so we can take her story with a grain. It's

(01:24:27):
all I don't know, maybe it's true. If it's true,
it's really horrifying anyway. So the Morgan's when I was
taking one of this rich family to my island project,
sixty million dollar resort, he wasn't asking the questions the
normal investors asked. And I know those questions because I
had a lot of people out taking him out. So

(01:24:47):
on the boat going there, and he keeps on asking
questions about where the caves are. There's massive case structures
in the island and he wants to know where they are,
and he kept on asking that, and I got trusted
and I said, well, why do you keep on asking.

Speaker 4 (01:24:59):
You about caves?

Speaker 6 (01:25:01):
And he's very serious, is if body language and everything
communicates everything. And he looked, he tilted his head back,
looked at space and said, because we have a lot
of friends returning.

Speaker 1 (01:25:13):
So the billionaires, those in the no NO. I asked
you off there this question, Indy Peterson. Assuming these things exist,
and I believe they do. Most in the military believe
they do. Most in Congress believe they do. The President
believes they exist. What is their purpose in coming? Would
they be friend or foe?

Speaker 6 (01:25:34):
That's a very good question. I believe they're foe. I
believe we're in a parallel situation two when the Europeans
first landed here with the Native Americans, and initially we
were friendly and good relations with them, and eventually they
were largely killed off in Suck Reservation.

Speaker 4 (01:25:56):
I believe it.

Speaker 6 (01:25:57):
We're the new Indians and we're going to be repeating
that this situation. In South America, which is the front
lines for this battle I've witnessed there's entire islands like
Chloris where there's it's an island, very similar to the
island when I bought my Island project. It's a part
of the islands, nine miles of the National Park. There's

(01:26:18):
no other way into it. It's very similar to Cloris
in Brazil, and that it's very remote. It's on the coast.
Entire village if four hundred people were attacked. You can
look this up online. Attacked and struck by these UFOs,
and forty were seriously burned. And it's tiny, it's just

(01:26:38):
a tiny village.

Speaker 2 (01:26:39):
It's all there were there.

Speaker 6 (01:26:41):
Forty went went to the hospital for serious burns and
two to three were died depending on the numbers. And plus,
I don't want to horrify your audience here, but I've
seen the blood curdling photos of humans that are being
caught out like the cattle that I saw the largest
cattle mutilation right across the narrow fjord from my island
for hundreds of cattle and cheaper or mutilated and Patagonia

(01:27:03):
and dozens of one single night. And all the explanations
that you can possibly come up with the cattle for
the cattle mutilations, Well, this is government. How much time
do I got left?

Speaker 1 (01:27:13):
About a minute? One minute?

Speaker 4 (01:27:18):
Okay?

Speaker 2 (01:27:19):
I can tell you.

Speaker 6 (01:27:20):
I can go through a list of reasons why the examples.
You know, the military, US military is down there, so
they're not doing test of radiation. Neither was the Chilean military. Helicopters.
You can't get down there. We tried for a TV
project and pranksters can't pull us off in the winter
because they have to go past. The families are intermarried,
and they know when someone comes in on dirt road

(01:27:42):
and and the uh, you can't take one step in
the rainforce without sinking, and the mock and there's no tracks,
so and there's lights and causes psychosis collective of the
population because they saw the UFOs stucking their cows up
and exanguinating them.

Speaker 1 (01:27:58):
Well, I can say this you. You raise the question
in your book and in your columns. Are we as America?
Is the world witnessing the gradual colonization of humanity by
technologically superior intelligence already operating here? And many in I
think most in Congress say correct. I think the President
says correct. How to prepare against it? I have no

(01:28:18):
idea that's only scratching the surface alien colonization. The book
is by Indy Peterson I N D Y Peterson H
P E D E R S O N sacrificing, sacrificing humanity.

Speaker 2 (01:28:31):
That's it.

Speaker 1 (01:28:31):
The UFO is nuclear war. It's everywhere, and I love
getting on every few months, especially after Congressional hearing.

Speaker 6 (01:28:38):
And when I see it, I'll have to update you regularly.
The police last trunch number four was amazing.

Speaker 1 (01:28:44):
Please, we'll do that in about a month or two.
But when when you and Congressman Burchette of Tennessee says
it is, it is earth shattering. What's happening? I tend
to believe it. Once again, Indy Peterson, thanks for coming
on the Bill Cunningham Show and in they you're a
great American. God bless you, Thank you, thank you. Let's
continue with more. Fore warned? Is forearmed? Are we being colonized?

(01:29:07):
And are they breeding with our women? Those are the issues.
Bill Cunningham on seven hundred WW the whole town's battie
about Cincinnati.

Speaker 4 (01:29:15):
What a team?

Speaker 2 (01:29:16):
What a team? A team? Hello? Quiet?

Speaker 1 (01:29:24):
And I'm broadcasting by wrong. I had a reporter over
the weekend. You can confirm or deny you fight people downtown?

Speaker 5 (01:29:35):
Right?

Speaker 1 (01:29:36):
I did not, but I kept the order no issues
in town. Guess why? Lincoln b where and others told
me you were You were like a snowball in a
coal bin. There were reports there was a white family
on Fountain Square and the father seemingly had three kids.
With three kids exactly, that's say, come on, So there

(01:29:57):
were five SNAs and a coal bin and you were
there for the music festival. You gotta tell me what happened.

Speaker 7 (01:30:03):
So are My wife did the reservations for downtown, which
we don't go downtown often, especially with the Little Rocks.
All right, so my wife made the reservation. I was like,
it's gonna be kind of packed because there's the music festival. Well,
whenever we ate down there, we're right near a fountain square.
Let's walk out there, let's go there.

Speaker 1 (01:30:25):
There's a nice jazz band out there. You went along scarves,
you bought a few Nigeria had a food truck to
did to get a little dessert. I didn't get any food,
but we had some good food, a little bit, A
little bit, you mean. Took them out the skyline all
the way from Harrison. They had one out there skyl

(01:30:45):
We just want went right the greaters to say greaters
just kidding, but it was good.

Speaker 2 (01:30:50):
It was fun.

Speaker 1 (01:30:50):
You get beat up or pummeled.

Speaker 7 (01:30:52):
I did not get pummeled. My wife did not get assaulted.
The Little Rocks didn't, you know, pop out the like
seg said. They had their their you know, bandanas on
and their robes and the gods. When we're in this situation,
know your role and shut your mouth and don't talk.

Speaker 1 (01:31:11):
Jump in the fountain. He looks at you crazy.

Speaker 7 (01:31:13):
Just keep walking out, don't respond. But you're okay, We're okay.
Kept the order, kept the peace. That was a nice events.

Speaker 1 (01:31:21):
Second, and you didn't get any culture this weekend. We
were down there. Where were you Kenwood Country Club? Playing golf?

Speaker 2 (01:31:29):
Where were you.

Speaker 1 (01:31:31):
Cut I was sitting in the control center monitoring things.

Speaker 7 (01:31:36):
You're on your way back from India and you right,
you said you ran into a little bit of traffic.

Speaker 1 (01:31:40):
That's an understatement. Yeah, tell me about it my house.

Speaker 8 (01:31:45):
Instead of fixing it, how about widening seventy four like
three lanes back and forth.

Speaker 1 (01:31:52):
That's gonna take a long time. Kidding, go to downtown Madeira.
If you want to see a crisis, go to Madeira.
There's nobody working there, but everything is shut down to
one lane with speed bumps. Secondly, I'm reading out of Indianapolis.
You refuse to address this issue off the air, then
that's what There was over one hundred thousand empty seats
in the brickyard, four hunds. They're not they're not going

(01:32:12):
to get Willie.

Speaker 8 (01:32:13):
They had over three hundred thousand for the brickyard four
hundred and nineteen ninety four, the first one three hundred
and from then on a few years and it's tailed
off ever since.

Speaker 1 (01:32:23):
Why it's no stars and maybe it's losing its lust.

Speaker 7 (01:32:27):
I mean NFL and MLB, and maybe it's maybe the
stars retire and the six stars come down?

Speaker 8 (01:32:33):
What about the next stars? What about the next Earnhardt,
the next Gordon? What about the next Tony Stewart? Well,
that that's Corey Heim. You haven't heard of him. It's
time time, time time, see the guy. That's time time?

Speaker 2 (01:32:44):
What time is it?

Speaker 1 (01:32:45):
That's high time time? What about the bricks? Did he
burn out on that?

Speaker 8 (01:32:49):
That was That was Carson Quaffis who unplugged his unplugged
his radio helmet when they're trying to tell him and
one of his one of his one of his crew members,
are trying to say, don't go over.

Speaker 1 (01:33:02):
The bricks, don't do the burnout over the bricks. What
does he do the burnout over the bricks? And the
world lost its mind. That's the holy Tabernacle of racing.

Speaker 4 (01:33:11):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:33:12):
So you had six sixteen guys on hands and knees.

Speaker 8 (01:33:16):
I think they I think they used Procter and gambles
dawn to clean, rub the tires, marks out. Yesterday, Corey
Heim wins the race and you're thinking he's heading right
for the bricks.

Speaker 1 (01:33:30):
In a burnout that lasted about seemed like minutes.

Speaker 8 (01:33:34):
He ends up about his front front bumper ends up
about two inches away from the bricks.

Speaker 1 (01:33:41):
It was like, don't do that again. A star vacuum
right now, motor. What about the kid from Ron's roost?
How'd he do it?

Speaker 8 (01:33:51):
He went out, He went out like I think he
finished like in the twenties. He had a bad truck
with a bad transmission. That's not a good thing. You
know what, you know what he did it, and now
you know he may he may get he may get it.
He may get another ride. They need the next star
to come up. Some of his had some they're trying
to talk and Chase Chase Elliott's one of them. Ryan

(01:34:14):
Blaney is another one. But it just takes time. It
takes time.

Speaker 1 (01:34:18):
Are you sure?

Speaker 8 (01:34:20):
And then you lose Dale Earnhardt Jr. And that really
knocked everything out of out of whack.

Speaker 1 (01:34:25):
But you have twenty years. That's what I'm saying. They're
not listening what the Rock is saying. I'm listening, Yes,
I am. Every two or three years, you need to
refurbish it, you know, the next stars Baseball man, you
got rid of Aaron Davis and Beryl Now we got
Li Dela Cruz, and then you got rid of Kenny
Anderson's sport.

Speaker 8 (01:34:44):
The sport has lost that many stars and dance part
and tries to survive.

Speaker 7 (01:34:48):
Let me try this again. Ten years ago Tom Brady retired.
I'm telling you, cam Ward comes up.

Speaker 8 (01:34:57):
Chase Elliott is the future, Ryan Blaney the future, Corey
Heim who won yesterday as the future. Joey Logano is
the future. Brad Keselowski. He's old, but he's still the
futures here now correct, they're not working well?

Speaker 7 (01:35:10):
Well, one of those guys need to go out and
get in trouble or do something crazy to get a
little media attention, little social.

Speaker 1 (01:35:17):
Media and something. Carson he gave, he gave yesterday.

Speaker 8 (01:35:21):
He gave a guy the bird and almost wrecked his
car at one hundred and eighty miles an hour.

Speaker 1 (01:35:24):
What's a guy's name? Just Carson josefar just right out
the window, fingo number one, number one. But there's always
another Well there's not an ast, yes, there is that
it's taking time. How much times?

Speaker 8 (01:35:38):
Well, there's only there only one guy can win every week. Dope,
it's what years ago? Earnhardt Jr. Earnhardt Jr. Quit too,
He got out while he was ahead. He didn't he
want to sit under porch and saying, hey, what's my name?
In ten years a concussion wasn't very good anyway. Oh,
you're out of your mind?

Speaker 5 (01:35:59):
He what?

Speaker 1 (01:36:00):
How many NASCAR races did he win? I don't know.
I don't have it in front of me. I can
tell you. Yeah, you don't know. You don't know nothing.
Ready to say something, I'm gonna regret with you at
this girl knows everything. I don't know to you? Oh boy,
how many NASCAR races did Dale Earnhardt Junior win? Fifty?
Has one? Twenty six NASCAR Cup Series, twenty six the

(01:36:23):
Cup Series, BO fifty National Tour Series. So he won
it at the bush? No, that that's it, I said,
She said, twenty six? So how many did this moran
me and you did about his dad? How many he win?
Wait a minute, now, I got that right out the
tip of my time. I think it's eighty. I think

(01:36:45):
how many NASCAR cuts seventy six point three senior, seventy
that was close, seventy six is fantastic radio and seventy
six Cup series. Right there we go. Now, what's the
all time record segment? Tell the Rock? Who's the next person?
Who's the next door coming? Shay Selliot, come on time,

(01:37:05):
Cory Heime time, give me some sports. You're missing the point.
These things are refurbished. You're missing your head. Blainey's the
big star right now. NASCAR is in big trouble. Rock's
doing some research. He's gonna give you way. Corey Haynes,
wasn't he like an eighties actor?

Speaker 3 (01:37:21):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:37:22):
No, No, guy's still alive. Corey Haym is he in
good shame?

Speaker 4 (01:37:27):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:37:27):
He almost died. He is a part time driver going
to be a full time now. Never heard him.

Speaker 7 (01:37:32):
He was in the Lost Boys like back in the eighties,
but not him. It's a different guy. I don't think
was this the same guy?

Speaker 2 (01:37:38):
It is not.

Speaker 1 (01:37:40):
I'm Willie the soo Am.

Speaker 4 (01:37:43):
I with you two.

Speaker 8 (01:37:44):
The Stuart Reporters, Aprouch Service, every local Tame Star Heating
and air conditioning dealers, Thamestar quality you can feel in Cincinnati.
Kelch Sheldon Braun at braun heating at five one, three, three, eight, five,
seventy seven.

Speaker 1 (01:37:58):
Sixty Five's got a problem and you're not addressing it.

Speaker 7 (01:38:02):
The red you got a problem, and we are going
to address if some of these drivers some bucks in
their pocket sponsor them, got Chase Elliott, Minars and everybody,
you know, I mean, what do you do they got sponsors?

Speaker 1 (01:38:15):
I don't know.

Speaker 8 (01:38:17):
The reds are placed. The reds are placed on the
ten day injured list. Infield or outfielder Spencer Steer with
a right wrist sprain.

Speaker 2 (01:38:25):
Here we go.

Speaker 1 (01:38:25):
They've They've called up Ivan Johnson and apparently is he
related to Ivan? Yacking off? No, Drago, that's I'm not
jacking off. By the way. Who's the all time winner
in NASCAR?

Speaker 8 (01:38:40):
Richard Petty, who's number two, David Pearson, who's number three.

Speaker 1 (01:38:48):
Let me get you don't know what still really good? Silver?
Jeff Gordon, right, he's doing funny things for Chevrolet. He's
like he was doing funny things for how many wins?
Is Danika Patrick hav.

Speaker 8 (01:39:02):
One in an IndyCar race and a rain delay a
rain delayed race in Japan?

Speaker 1 (01:39:07):
You know I met her like circa two thousand and six,
very attractive the Reds.

Speaker 8 (01:39:12):
Let's see Buster only of ESPN says that Steer will
miss significant time with the injury.

Speaker 1 (01:39:19):
There goes to trade right now, trade now down the teams.
Let's see what else. Stevenson is here a week from now,
segment Stevenson here.

Speaker 8 (01:39:27):
He could be going to the Athletics. He could be
going to Tampa Bay. He could be going to the Dodgers.

Speaker 1 (01:39:33):
They all need catchers and rock In the last ten games,
there's only two teams in the National League have won
more games in the Reds the last ten games. I'm
saying right now, I'm having hope. Are you having? They're
five games? Two? Serious? Three? Take them three?

Speaker 7 (01:39:49):
Tell them that you had from like years ago. But
they've won three at least three consecutives.

Speaker 8 (01:39:54):
The Reds have won three straight road series for the
first time since twenty twenty three. They went six and
three on them to give up on the Reds, and
it's unfair.

Speaker 1 (01:40:03):
It's unfair. The Reds do not have an off day today. No,
that is a joke.

Speaker 8 (01:40:07):
After going to from the West coast, from what Colorado
to Seattle to Saint Louis and no off day.

Speaker 1 (01:40:14):
Now they got a ten game homestand that.

Speaker 4 (01:40:17):
Is a joke.

Speaker 1 (01:40:17):
There not off again for a while. Shut up, Marty,
Shut up, Marty, Marty, shut up. Yeah, you're showing no respect.

Speaker 8 (01:40:24):
Ohio State picked to win the Big Ten in by
the conference media shocker. Let's see eleven first place votes.
See Oregon was second, defending conference and national champion, Indiana
Hoosiers third, followed by Southern Calan Michigan.

Speaker 1 (01:40:44):
Did you hear Paul Finebaum go after Michigan the Wolverines?
Why talk about them? He said? In the last seventy years,
they've won two championships nationally and one stained. Why are
we talking about Michigan? They don't matter. In the last
seventy years, they've won two and one of them was stained.
Now is that a big deal?

Speaker 2 (01:41:03):
Rock?

Speaker 1 (01:41:05):
Maybe seventy to women's angry, But the truth he can't
handle the truth. Seventy years, they've won two and one
of them was iffy. Right, Uh tell tell uh tell Tom,
it's Sycamore Township. That hole at Hosbrook and Montgomery is
back again. Tell him, Yeah, Hosbrook and Montgomery get on it.

(01:41:28):
But it's I'm not paying taxes in this township. You
do pay, and you'll and you no way, you paid points,
go to jail, and I'm going to hire Justice Joe
as my lord, the magic man the team. That's right, Well,
where's the there's another hole in the Snoco station. Montgomery

(01:41:51):
would take a rite on the East converge. There's a
hole right there to fix no service, fix no service.
What are we paying it for?

Speaker 6 (01:41:58):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:41:59):
I don't said without representation.

Speaker 7 (01:42:01):
I don't pay. I live in Sycamore town there. I
don't pay the YouTube pay. That is the key of
your government to find out how to make the other
guy in the other township jurisdic city pay.

Speaker 8 (01:42:14):
For your STANKU. Yeah, thank you, okay, that is how
you do it. And you have the shoppers at Kenwick
Town Center also.

Speaker 1 (01:42:20):
Whether it's a jit or it's like weed that Green
township by the way, there we go.

Speaker 8 (01:42:28):
I probably sit outside that Kenwood Town Center with a calculator.

Speaker 7 (01:42:31):
Get so much money. Championships in seventy years. We keep
talking about Michigan Dog Matt Michigan. I think they'll make
the playoffs this year. That's as far as they're going
to go, right, Well, I mean, for if you're a
successful program these days, did you make the twelve team
college football.

Speaker 1 (01:42:47):
Give me the teams in the Big ten making the playoffs.
Ohio State, Indiana of course, Oregon, of course, Oregon, of course,
of course Indiana. And you said Michigan more than four Indiana.
You're saying to somebody has said to you two years ago,
is going to be like Northwestern? They got a new stadium.

(01:43:09):
I like Northwestern. There's still they were Purdue. They're wonderful
coach in Michigan State. Now really yeah about that, They're terrible.

Speaker 7 (01:43:21):
I'm still trying to figure out how Corey Ham can
drive a pot when he died, He's got to be
years old.

Speaker 1 (01:43:27):
He was on the movie Lost Boys. He's two different people.
That's why he's part time. He can't drive. Are he
lost his license for being You are an idiot? No,
he's not. What's on the Big Show?

Speaker 8 (01:43:40):
His car was sponsored by Field and Stream magazine yesterday?

Speaker 1 (01:43:43):
And what did you win at Coyman? What did the
winner of the PGA tournament do? Rock after Jackson? Coyman's
twenty one years old? Did all the media stuff. He said,
I'm going fishing. People laughing at him. There's a photo
of him on the eighteenth pond eighteenth grade with a
fishing rod. Nobody nobody around. He's sitting there, the sun's
going down. He's fishing. Said, I got to get me

(01:44:06):
a small mouth pass say.

Speaker 7 (01:44:08):
We need to get the younger people, the people with
charisma and passion that can maskcars when need to get
their names in the spotlight.

Speaker 1 (01:44:15):
Help grow that sport. I don't want to die. Earn Hurts,
Dansdan Well, find somebody else find him. Brady's gone, Here
comes my homes Boomers gone, here comes Joe. You just
getting new stars, right rock? Yeah, don't you understand that?
That's what they're doing now. And he was at the
big lunch today and didn't stick around for the mock
turtle soup. Right there, Mike Brown did not speak, correct,

(01:44:38):
you not speak this year? First time? Every one? I mean,
how's he doing? I think he's doing okay, but I
mean ninety one, it's clearly that Troy and and the
family is Elizabeth.

Speaker 7 (01:44:50):
But Duke Tobin spoke, I believe Williams is coming on okay, Yeah,
Jason Williams is coming on.

Speaker 1 (01:44:56):
Five o'clock to give us report on it.

Speaker 7 (01:44:58):
By the way, right of the game, we have Dan
Roe an economist on talk about the economy. We need
to Dave had her talk about some tech stuff, and
Jason Williams to talk about mock turtle soup day.

Speaker 1 (01:45:10):
Where's Eddie? He's back, he deserves to be back back.
I told him to take more time off. Do you agree, yes,
you don't know. I need him back. I need him
back here. All right, Thank you, Rock, thank you segment.
You better get the NASCAR right now. It's failing right
now to help propagate that sport. And if you say nothing,

(01:45:30):
we're gonna be disappointed. Okay, the stars have pansed down,
the times have pants down. They don't have many stars.
Sports don't have stars. They find news stars, not Blainey.
And with the other guy you talked about. Those guys
are stars. Now you're an idiot.

Speaker 8 (01:45:44):
Talk to Bob Jenkins, Willie and honor of your knowledge
of auto racing not the best. I would we leave
you with the immortal words of the stood report.

Speaker 1 (01:45:57):
Boogey boogey boogety. Let's play some baseball, but there you go, right,
was excited right days? Ten games? Right now I'm messing
Darryl Waltrip too well tied ride? How many years ago
was that twenty Yeah, you lay the past. You got
to ask your sons about NASCAR, and what do you

(01:46:18):
get crickets? At least you're snow raising you're not raising them, right.
I give you credit going down the music festal I
got some culture.

Speaker 3 (01:46:27):
You did it.

Speaker 2 (01:46:28):
I didn't.

Speaker 1 (01:46:28):
I want some Nigerian desserts from the food tree. You
don't even know where Nigeria is.

Speaker 7 (01:46:32):
Some of the handbags they were selling a little real nice,
were great ones outside of Portsmouth, whether Louis Baton knockoffs
something like that.

Speaker 1 (01:46:42):
How long they're selling the real How about the kids
stealing the stealing the watches the Kenwick down Center with
one of those two were there with the sledgehammers, with
the roll exes. I didn't hear about to watch the rocket?
You need to watch? What do you have them like
on his arm? Watch sleep? You want to watch? He
got ten ten and roll exers the town center roll.

Speaker 7 (01:47:02):
Ex unbelievable, Andy back, you're right, thank you, thank you,
n yah ya ya yeah, seven hundred w l w
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Speaker 2 (01:47:13):
Yeah