9-7-26 Gary Jeff Walker in for Bill Cunningham

Gary Jeff fills in for Willie discussing the Lindsey Clancy trial, remembering 9/11, and the history of Labor Day.

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Labor Day 2026. And look who's laboring and look who's not.
I would be one of the ones who are. Gary
Jeff Walker in for Bill Cunningham. Proud to be with you.
Glad for the opportunity. I love to work. There are
a lot of people in our society who really don't

(00:22):
love to work. And I'm not saying that that's a
fault of theirs necessarily. Maybe they've just been doing it
so long. For me, it's only been 50 years, but
going back to being like 15, 16 years old, consistently
having a job somewhere, I don't mind it. I live

(00:45):
for it. I thrive on work. You know who else
has to work maybe harder and smarter than almost anybody else?
With all of the technology we have, with the incursion
of AI and everything else, with high cost, affordability, you

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know who has to work harder and always has had
to work harder? The American farmer. And I don't care
whether you're a dairy farmer, whether you farm soybeans or corn,
you raise cattle, you raise pigs, you got a chicken farm.

(01:29):
And I come from those farming roots. Maybe that's where
my work ethic comes from, although I haven't plowed a
whole lot of fields, at least that produced much. But
we have someone who's generationally in a farm family, and

(01:53):
it is a before sunup to many times after sundown
proposition if you're the traditional American farmer. His name is
Brian Reisinger. He's the author of Land Rich, Cash Poor.
And to talk about the farmer on Labor Day, welcome
in Brian Reisinger. Brian?

Speaker 2 (02:16):
Hello.

Speaker 1 (02:19):
Put him back on hold. Okay. Brian, are you there?

Speaker 3 (02:25):
Hey, Gary, Jeff, good morning. Good to be with you.

Speaker 1 (02:27):
No, it's great to be with you. Actually, it's afternoon here.
Are you in Wisconsin?

Speaker 4 (02:34):
Oh, that's right. You know what?

Speaker 3 (02:35):
I'm in California today, but I'm getting out to Wisconsin
in just a few short days.

Speaker 1 (02:39):
And that's where the family's dairy farm is, right?

Speaker 2 (02:42):
That's right.

Speaker 3 (02:43):
That's where for four generations, more than a century, my
family's been farming up there in the hills of southwestern Wisconsin.
In fact, my dad's probably doing that right now, even
though it is Labor Day.

Speaker 1 (02:53):
You know, outside of Madison, Wisconsin's a pretty sane state.
Would you agree?

Speaker 3 (03:01):
You know, the old joke is that Madison is however
many square miles surrounded by reality. That's what they say
where I grew up, where we used to yell at
the TV coming out of Madison every night.

Speaker 1 (03:11):
Yeah, and we're seeing that surreality surface again in major
numbers now across the country, not just in Wisconsin. I
thought of you because I knew I had this fill-in
show today, and I thought of you during the gubernatorial
primary where this woman named Francesca Hong was running on

(03:35):
the Democrat side. And Brian, I don't want to be
unflattering or be incendiary to any human being on the
planet because we're all God's children, but that's one of
the dumbest women I've ever heard speak in my life.

Speaker 5 (03:53):
And I'll tell you, and she almost.

Speaker 1 (03:55):
Got elected on the Democrat side.

Speaker 3 (03:58):
It was really an incredible situation. And, you know, look,
I mean, where I'm from, you know, areas trend conservative
rural communities trend conservative. What not that long ago they
were voting for a blue collar Democrat if they thought
it was someone who was actually fighting for working people.
And so when I say people look at Madison and
don't know what to think, that's true of people all
across the political spectrum, especially true for folks who are conservative,

(04:20):
of course, when they see someone like Francesca Hong running
for governor. But the reality is it's kind of a
deeply held thing that people are like, hey, we need
a little common sense in our government. And the thing
that was shocking about this is she was rocketing to
the top of the field in that primary for the Democrats,
And at the same time, socialism as a concept is

(04:42):
deeply unpopular, really across the political spectrum. So this is
going to be quite a sensation to see her rise
to the top of a primary and then come into
a tight battleground state where you've got to be able
to win not just your base, but also those independent-thinking
swing voters. It was going to be quite a spectacle
to see how that was going to turn out. But Bennett,
primary turned out differently.

Speaker 1 (05:02):
So with the Iran excursion, The White House and the
Pentagon not wanting to call it a war, and right
now it's not really a war. It's kind of like
a standoff. But with that, fertilizer prices along with diesel fuel,

(05:24):
along with gas, all those prices have risen dramatically since
our incursion into Iran. How is this affecting... the everyday
family farm, Brian.

Speaker 5 (05:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (05:39):
You know, I'm going to be honest. It's a challenge
with those rising costs. I know consumers face that too.
Working families face that. For a farm family, like the
one I grew up with, what it means is you've
got not only the higher prices that folks in every
family are dealing with, but you've also got, even if
you're a very small farm, like ours is a small farm,
you have a large amount of diesel fuel that you're

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spending money on, especially during planting season.

Speaker 5 (06:02):
Now we're getting into.

Speaker 3 (06:03):
Harvest season for a variety of crops too. and that's
on top of the gas you already pay for for
your truck and everything else.

Speaker 5 (06:10):
And then the price of fertilizer, all these other things
pile up.

Speaker 3 (06:13):
But here's the thing that I always tell people. There
are these shocks going on as it relates to Iran
and some other things that have driven prices up.

Speaker 4 (06:21):
But we have to remember.

Speaker 3 (06:23):
That this is a deep systemic issue, this issue of
costs rising for farmers far faster than the price that
they get back for their goods that's been squeezing farmers
for decades that's been forcing to get bigger get out
and that's true of democrat republican any kind of administration
you've got for decades now so we got to remember
it's a systemic issue that these more recent flare-ups are
piling on.

Speaker 1 (06:43):
Top of and what i was saying at the top
ryan about is is there anybody in our and i'm
sure there's somebody who's pulling double 16 hour shifts, but
it's like a daily thing for most farmers in this
country to work that long and that hard. I had

(07:05):
an uncle who was the head of a very large
family farm in Southeast Iowa. I mean, thousands of acres, soybeans, corn,
and they raised pork. They had their own pig processing
plant right across from their farmhouse. But Uncle Jerry was

(07:29):
up before the sun rose. He was out in the
field by, you know, 6 or 6.30.

Speaker 2 (07:36):
In the morning.

Speaker 1 (07:38):
On the days that he was fortunate, lucky, he got
to come home for what they called dinner, I think.
It was either supper at lunch and dinner in the evening,
whatever it was. And he would be there or dinner.
you know, his wife would have it ready and he'd
just swing by the house and pick it up. And
he would be out until at least eight o'clock, nine

(08:01):
o'clock in the evening during the summer. I mean, that's
a full on 15 hour day every day. Is that
true for most, most farmers, Brian?

Speaker 6 (08:13):
It is.

Speaker 4 (08:14):
It is.

Speaker 3 (08:14):
You know, I mean, I'd say a 10 to 12
hour day is pretty well standard. And then from there
to your point during planting season, harvest season, the times
where you got to be out in the fields and
the weather dictates when you got to get the work done.
This guy's the limit as far as how high the
hours can go. You know, and I grew up working
with my dad. I can remember how old do you
have to.

Speaker 5 (08:29):
Be to get a wrench for a guy?

Speaker 3 (08:31):
I guess four years old, maybe when I was in
the far yard, you know, and I can remember working
with my dad.

Speaker 4 (08:37):
All day like that, and.

Speaker 3 (08:38):
He's still doing it. I mean, he's 75, and he'd
rather be nowhere else than on the back of a tractor.
And I've learned that not only did that impact me,
to your point at the top when you're talking about
the work ethic, not only did that impact me and
my writing career, but also the other things I've done
in my life. But when I'm home, in addition to
helping on the business side of the farm where I can,
if I want to spend time with my dad, the

(08:59):
best way to do it is to go work with him.
And it's hard life, but it's also a life that
he loves.

Speaker 1 (09:05):
Now, this is a dairy farm primarily?

Speaker 3 (09:09):
We were a dairy farm for more than 100 years.
And we sold the cows. My dad sold the cows
in spring of 2021. And we have since diversified. And
so we're raising dairy cows for other herds, for other farmers.
We're raising beef for consumers. And then we're cash cropping
of various kinds.

Speaker 1 (09:25):
Oh, okay. But again... That diversification means more work.

Speaker 7 (09:32):
Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 1 (09:34):
It's just on top of everything else and the cost
for the machinery and everything else. I mean, you talk
about people taking out a second mortgage for their house to,
you know, do what, help pay for college or whatever
it is. You guys have to take out a second
and third mortgage for a combine. Those things are massive

(09:58):
and they cost. cost is just outrageous. It always has been.

Speaker 3 (10:04):
Yeah, that's absolutely right. And as we try to figure
out how to have a brighter future for our farmers,
one of the challenges is there aren't a whole lot
of things that you can grow to make money on
in a new way in this country. We've got a
lot of different ways that the markets have gotten tougher
and tougher and tougher for the farmer, higher costs for
them to produce, not as good of prices for what
they get back. And people say, well, why.

Speaker 5 (10:23):
Don't they grow this? Why don't they grow that?

Speaker 3 (10:24):
Well, a lot of farmers are trying to figure out
what that ought to look like. and are willing to
shift toward whatever market is going to be real for them.
But so many markets are not yet real and not
yet solidified in our new food economy, things where there's
maybe a little opportunity. And at the same time, if
you're going to try to do something new, you've got
to do it on top of all the traditional crops
and products you're already raising and growing because you've got
to have an income meantime. And on top of it,

(10:46):
it's not like there's a whole lot of time to waste,
and there sure as heck isn't. isn't any money to
waste on something that isn't going to work. And so
it's a real challenge to figure out where farming ought
to go from here.

Speaker 1 (10:55):
Well, you see these blights upon our land for renewable
energy from solar panels and just what used to be
soybean fields just covered over with solar panels. It's just
so god-awful to me. And then the wind turbines and
everything else. You can understand the temptation of a farm

(11:18):
family because of the cost and everything, to just sell
out to one of these things. But we're really losing
a lot of American farmland. And do you think that
President Trump's administration has been good in leading the charge
to limit outside sources like the communist Chinese from buying

(11:41):
our American farmland? I think that's one of the great
Inside the country threats that we face is the giving
away or the selling of our American farmland that does
not benefit American farmers, only that specific American farmer who
cashed in and decided to go somewhere else. What do

(12:03):
you think of all that?

Speaker 3 (12:05):
I'll tell you what, there was a great big farm,
one of the real big farms that I remember being
one of the first ones that was really getting bigger,
putting milking parlors and other things years ago when I
was a kid, just recently went up on the auction block.
And there were rumors and deep concerns that actually the
Chinese were going to be among.

Speaker 5 (12:21):
The potential prospective buyers.

Speaker 3 (12:24):
And we're lucky it ended up being a series of
local farm families who ended up buying that land. and
trying to find new purposes for it and leasing some
of it out to other farm families. So it stayed
in the local community, and everyone breathed a collective sigh
of relief when that happened because the issue that you're
talking about with the Chinese buying up farmland, those entities

(12:44):
tie back to the Chinese Communist Party. And the issue
here is how fast the speed and the secrecy with
which they're able to buy farmland right now. Now, President
Trump and others, actually on both sides now, have highlighted
this threat We need Congress and we need individual states
to take more steps to be able to build in
safeguards so that, for one, farmers know who they're selling

(13:04):
to in those instances and so that our country is
able to track what's going on. There's no coincidence that
people are so alarmed by this when the amount of
farmland owned by foreign entities increased by double digits in
just two years.

Speaker 1 (13:17):
So in your book, Land Rich, Cash Poor, it's been
out a few years now, right? And I remember when
it came out, I said, I want to have this
guy on to talk about this just because I have
people in my family in farming. And I know how
important it is to not only to America, but to
the world, really. What's the main thing you want people

(13:42):
to take away if they find a copy of your
book or they buy a copy of your book, Brian?

Speaker 3 (13:49):
Well, first of all, I appreciate the conversations we've been
able to have. Gary, Jeff, you're one of the great
hosts in this country. I haven't talked to a lot
of people. You're one of the great hosts in this
country that is raising and shining a light on these
issues consistently. So I thank you for that. The thing
that I hope people take away from our story of
land rich, cash poor, and just what's going on with
the farmer in general is that the hope and hardship
goes hand in hand.

Speaker 5 (14:08):
You know, my dad.

Speaker 3 (14:10):
He took on the work of a man when he
was eight years old. My grandpa slipped off a corncob,
broke his back. He got back up on his feet,
but not before my dad took on his work and
really never quit. And at the same time, my dad
still loves what he does. So the hope and the hardship,
the beauty and the hardship go hand in hand. We
don't have to give up hope on our farmer. We
have to lean in and try to figure out a
way to help our farmer. It's not all gone. It's

(14:30):
disappearing 45,000 farms a year, but it's not over yet.
And there is reason for hope. And the reason for
that hope is the resilience of, of those farm families.
Like my dad and every farm family across the country
I've ever talked to exemplifies it.

Speaker 5 (14:42):
We're not unique.

Speaker 3 (14:43):
We just picked our head up to tell our story.

Speaker 1 (14:45):
Brian Reisinger, thank you for helping tell your story to
this audience again. And I always enjoy talking to you.
And I feel just because of familial connections with farming,
I feel a connection, that connection with you. And it's
great to talk to you again on this Labor Day.

(15:05):
I appreciate your time.

Speaker 3 (15:08):
Well, thank you so much, Gary.

Speaker 5 (15:09):
Jeff, you have a happy Labor Day.

Speaker 1 (15:10):
All right. You as well. And we'll continue in a
few moments with Mark Mix from National Right to Work.
Is there anybody better on Labor Day than a guy
who was talking and defending people's right to work? Ain't
that what it's all about, critters? Anyway, also along the

(15:33):
way this afternoon, Dr. John Huber, my old friend, forensic psychologist.
He's out of Austin, Texas, which is another one of
those places surrounded by reality. Jim Serger, for a brief
stop in this afternoon. He will be on with Dan
Carroll later in studio, I understand. And if you don't
know the story about Jim, we'll refresh your memory. As

(15:55):
we approach 9-11, I think it's important to have guests
like Mr. Serger on. Todd Starnes on how President Trump,
the golden age, really did save America. No matter what
you hear out of our news department or the opposition.
Michael Levine, America's publicist, the authentic PR guy. And a

(16:20):
visit with the furball before we're done. Gary Jeff in
for Bill Cunningham on 700 WLW.

Speaker 6 (16:27):
Brown.

Speaker 1 (16:29):
And what a beautiful studio it is. Gary Jempf in
for Willie on this Labor Day. You go back to
the late 19th century and early 20th century in this country.
And workers who were facing just unbelievable working conditions just

(16:51):
to feed their families. found it necessary to organize against
the big bad companies, the people that were employing them,
to petition and politic for better working conditions and then
more money for the jobs that they were doing. And

(17:13):
if you worked in a coal mine or you worked
on an assembly line, I can understand how A union
felt like a savior to you. Well, things changed over
the years. Unions changed over the years. And here we

(17:34):
are in Labor Day. And many people, and I used
to wrongly regard this particular holiday as a communist holiday. Yeah,
hammer and sickle. It's Labor Day.

Speaker 4 (17:45):
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 (17:46):
You're looking out after the worker. But I've kind of changed.
my mind and my focus on what Labor Day actually means.
Labor Day in America should be a celebration of the
fact that you can work, not that you take the

(18:07):
day off or you work a 32-hour week and get
paid for 40 or any of that other nonsense that's
being pushed right now. And I thought, how good to
have on Labor Day The man, the man behind the

(18:28):
National Right to Work organization. He is a guy I've
talked to, had the privilege of talking to multiple times
in the past and have the privilege of chatting with
today with you. Mark Mix from National Right to Work.
Good afternoon. How are you, sir?

Speaker 3 (18:46):
Gary, Jeff, I'm doing fine. It's good to hear your
voice again and good to catch up with you. And
your framing of Labor Day is really spot on now.
I mean, back in the end of the 1800s and
the early 1900s, the idea that workers could join together voluntarily,
and I use that word very, very critically, to amplify

(19:07):
their voice in the workplace was an important part of
the development of of the American workplace that we come
to enjoy now and provides opportunities for millions and millions
of Americans. But something did change, Gary Jeff, to your point,
and that was kind of the power of organized labor.
What was it, Lord Acton, who said power corrupts and
absolute power corrupts absolutely? Well, when an organization gets federal

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government power to force you to join them and or
pay for them as a condition of getting or keeping
a job, That train's gone off the tracks from where
it was, as you spoke of, in the early days
of organized labor in America.

Speaker 1 (19:43):
Yeah, and voluntarily being allowed to join a union. have
that collective bargaining tool at your disposal and in your
workplace and all of that. I'll be honest with you.
I know a lot of people in unions, and many
of them love the fact that they're in a union.

(20:08):
They love their unions. And I have never worked for
just the whole prospect of paying someone else so I
could have a job just didn't register with me. So
I see both sides of it. But you know what?

(20:28):
For example, Mark, we have the Democrat Socialists of America
going again with this Medicare for All plan. If the
government takes full control of everyone's health care in this country,

(20:49):
aren't those union plans out the window?

Speaker 3 (20:53):
Gary, Jeff, that is so insightful. You know, people look
at these slogans that are pushed out there politically and
never really kind of look at what the impact is
going to be. But you're exactly right. I mean, it's
very confusing that you have the United Auto Workers Union
supporting and endorsing Al-Sayed in Michigan and already helped Mandani
get elected in New York City. And both of those candidates,

(21:17):
one now elected as mayor, one wants to be a U.S. senator,
have come out and said, we've got to have universal
health care and the government's got to pay for it
and no one can afford it anymore. But you're exactly right.
Those health plans that are kind of you know, first
priority for organized labor negotiators on behalf of workers that
they want to represent is to get, quote unquote, quality

(21:37):
health care. And the bottom line is this. If, to
your point, if that position comes to pass, then those
union health care programs are completely blown up. No one
can get any better health care than someone else. Can they,
Gary Jeff, under these systems? They all have to be equal, right?

Speaker 1 (21:55):
That's right. And And everyone is equally sick and miserable
and equally waiting in line for necessary procedures or even
just a doctor's visit to check your blood and see
how you're doing. You know, all of that stuff goes
into the mix. No pun intended, Mark. But you had

(22:17):
a couple of issues that you're watching now with National
Right to Work. And one is the Teamsters Union. Tell
me about that.

Speaker 3 (22:26):
Yeah, Gary Jeff.

Speaker 5 (22:27):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (22:28):
Well, after 37 years of oversight because of corruption and
crime and embezzlement and racketeering and all of these bad
crimes that absolute power gives latitude to sometimes. The Teamsters
Union has filed a petition along with the Trump administration,
the Trump DOJ, the state, the attorney, and the Southern

(22:49):
District of New York, and the Teamsters filed a motion
to withdraw the oversight of the Teamsters so that no
longer would there be any government oversight of the Teamsters Union.
And while one would hope that the Trump administration looked
at the Teamsters organization and decided that It's rosy, clean,
and white as the driven snow, and everything is hunky-dory,

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and the controls are in place to make sure that
union officials don't abuse their power is something that's pretty important.
I find that to be fairly interesting. You know, it's
the longest federal oversight of any union in the history
of our country, and there was reason for it. Now
we have the United Auto Workers Union. A grand jury
has been convened, and it was announced, I think, July

(23:31):
26th that they are investigating the United Auto Workers for
what is financial malfeasance. And it's not too far back
in the past, Gary Jeff, that two of their union
presidents went to prison for stealing money from the rank-and-file workers.
And when the rank-and-file workers tried to file a civil
lawsuit against the union officials that claimed to represent them,

(23:56):
they were thrown out. The court said they had no
standing to file that suit. So it's a continuing story,
but the common denominator... Yeah, yeah, go ahead.

Speaker 1 (24:06):
No, no, go ahead. Go ahead with the common denominator.

Speaker 3 (24:10):
Well, the common denominator in all this is force, is
their ability to force workers to pay them. And that, Gary, Jeff,
you and I have talked about this before. It takes
away all of the accountability when it comes to workers
having power over union officials who they have to support financially.
And when that money gets spooled into politics, it's an

(24:31):
even worse problem. if it could be that. But this
is an ongoing problem and something that we have to
deal with. And voluntary unionism, to your point, is the
right way to go. It was a good thing. It
is a good thing.

Speaker 4 (24:43):
It will be a good.

Speaker 3 (24:44):
Thing in the future for employees to be able to
address injustices in the workplace. But force does not belong
in that equation.

Speaker 1 (24:51):
And those have gone hand in hand with big unions
like the UAW and the Teamsters, as you just documented, Mark.
I mean, the Teamsters... You've got a president of the
Teamsters who's murdered and disappeared, and nobody still knows exactly
where Mr. Hoffa is. But anyway, I wanted to get

(25:16):
to the fact, too, that there are more than half
the states in this country are right-to-work states. Is that correct?

Speaker 3 (25:27):
That is correct. 26 states have that simple protection that
says your right to join a union is protected. Your
right to associate with the union is protected and your
right to give the union your entire paycheck is protected.
But those 26 states will not contemplate union officials power
to have you fired for simply not paying them. Okay.

Speaker 1 (25:47):
So the protection money is out of the picture in
old mafia terms. Um, But also there is this movement
now on the left, unsurprisingly, to reverse those rights. And
you guys are fighting legal bouts all the time trying

(26:10):
to protect people's right to work, thus the name National
Right to Work Foundation. So tell me about some of
your efforts recently, Mark Mix, to protect all of our
rights and To join a union or to not join
a union? And what's going on? Because I know you
guys fight legal battles for people all the time.

Speaker 5 (26:34):
Yeah, Gary Jeff.

Speaker 3 (26:35):
In fact, the Right to Work Foundation provides free legal
aid to workers across the nation. And as you and
I are talking today on this Labor Day, we have
about 290 active cases on behalf of individual employees who
have the courage to stand up and fight for what
are truly limited rights under federal law and sometimes limited
rights under state law as well. But We continue to

(26:58):
do that. We've argued 18 cases in front of the
United States Supreme Court on behalf of workers. We've won
major precedents. that not only cover the individual that has
the courage to stand up, but sets a precedent to
provide protection for literally millions and millions of workers across
the country. One of our big cases, we won a
case in the U.S. Supreme Court called Janus v. AFSCME

(27:19):
on behalf of a public sector employee in the state
of Illinois. One employee in the state of Illinois stood
up and said, I don't want to continue to support
a union I disagree with as a condition of me
working for the state of Illinois. And that particular courageous individual,
Mark Janus, stood up. He went through the federal court system.
We got our teeth kicked in at the district court
and at the appeals court, but we got to the U.S.

(27:41):
Supreme Court. And so one guy with the courage to
stand up and fight gets his time, his day in
front of the highest court in the land. And that
court says that no government worker anywhere in America can
be forced to pay union dues or fees to keep
a job or get a job with government. That's the
kind of work that we do here at the Right
to Work Foundation. And the only way we can do
it is when an employee says, look, this is not right.

(28:03):
This compulsion and this force that's written into federal law
is not right or written into state law. And I
want to fight. And we're here to help them do that.
We've been around since 1968. And we continue to do
that today on this Labor Day in 2026.

Speaker 1 (28:18):
Talking to Mark Mix from National Right to Work Foundation.
And Mark, in my mind, and this is just my opinion,
but in my mind, teachers unions, you talked about state
employees unions, and teachers unions are a great example of

(28:40):
unions that have gone astray by becoming more a political
arm of one party and supporting things that have nothing
to do within the workplace for teachers, I think teachers'
unions are one of the most dangerous unions operating in

(29:00):
this country today as far as keeping the republic alive
and vibrant. Your thoughts on teachers' unions generally?

Speaker 3 (29:10):
Well, let me quote the president of the American Federation
of Teachers, Randy Weingarten. Gary Jeff, it's just about the children.
And that is a laughable, laughable statement by the president
of that union.

Speaker 2 (29:23):
It's a lie.

Speaker 3 (29:24):
The AFL-CIO. Yeah, exactly. You know, they just got done
with their annual convention and they had these resolutions assemblies
where they, you know, introduce resolutions about things. And Gary Jeff,
you won't be surprised and you probably know or have
heard or researched it that very few, of the resolutions
that are passed have anything to do with educating children.
It's all about politics. They are radical. Their leadership is radical.

(29:48):
They're out in front on all of this Democratic Socialist
of America stuff. I mean, the AFT has been taken
over by the radical element, and certainly the government school
system is being destroyed because of it. The good news
is that the exercise of this power by the AFT
and the NEA, the National Education Association, has basically allowed

(30:10):
parents to see and to understand what's happening in the
government school system, and they're exiting stage left quickly. Enrollment
in the government school system across America is going down.
Although the costs never go down, Gary Jeff, they always
go up. And the number of administrators and bureaucrats and
that continue to increase. But that's a result of union
power where they've been granted exclusive representation. So they're positioned

(30:34):
in between taxpayers and elected officials. And oftentimes at the
end of the day, when they're negotiating these contracts and
the cost of government and the curriculum, I mean, literally
the Chicago Teachers Union demanded in their bargaining that they
wanted full control over the curriculum. And that, when you
take a Randy Weingarten as the president of the AFP

(30:54):
or Princess Moss, who's the president of the NEA, and
you allow them to control the school districts, this is
what we get. And parents are waking up to it,
and that's helpful. But you're right. The teachers' union is
probably the most visible manifestation of the problem with government unions.

Speaker 1 (31:11):
Yeah, and they have undue influence on. on politics because
of the fundraising they do for the left and also
the power, especially in states. I live in the Commonwealth

(31:31):
of Kentucky, right across the river from Cincinnati. And our
governor got elected now twice to Because of the power
of teachers unions, which are sometimes the biggest employer in
rural counties in the Commonwealth of Kentucky.

Speaker 2 (31:52):
And I.

Speaker 1 (31:53):
Just don't think they should have that much power and
control politically, but they do.

Speaker 3 (32:01):
Well, that's absolutely right, and I agree with you. And
the reason being is this unified dues structure and management
structure that the unions have created in the government sectors,
particularly with the teachers in the schools. I mean, your
local school union, where the teachers that you know, the
teachers that you see at the grocery store, they have
a way different view in most cases than the quote-unquote

(32:23):
top leadership group. here in Washington, D.C. But because the
union dues flow to the local and to the state
and then to the international federal union, it's hard to
separate all that and get out of it. But yet
that's where the problem is. Their power is unique, and
they are probably in many states the most powerful political
force when it comes to state legislatures because the cost

(32:47):
of government, of the government school system, is one of
the biggest drivers of a state budget And politically, they're
one of the biggest political players. When you mix those
two together, it's a dangerous, dangerous mixture when it comes
to control over the local schools. And we've lost that
in these states where they have union bargaining that says

(33:08):
everyone must associate with the union. And then in states
without right to work laws, they continue to press the
notion they're forced to pay dues, even though the Supreme
Court said that no teacher anywhere in America in the
government school system is to be forced to pay dues.
But the union doesn't tell anyone that. That's for sure,
Gary Jeff. In fact, they have orientation sessions where there's
been cases where they've locked the doors until someone signs

(33:29):
a membership card. And if you sign the membership card,
then you pay dues. If you object, you can get
out of paying dues, object to membership. But when they say, hey,
you got to sign all this paperwork, become a teacher
or as the school year begins, that all the the
copy inside of those documents contains these provisions well where
you know you may get sued by a parent and

(33:50):
our insurance will cover you well a good umbrella homeowner's
policy it maybe you know less than a hundred dollars
a year will cover you as well but they don't
tell you that either.

Speaker 1 (33:59):
Mark mix thank you so much for your time on
this labor day i know you're working hard for the
working man and woman in america every day anything uh
that you'd like to tell people real quickly about your organization?

Speaker 3 (34:13):
Yeah, Gary Jeff, if people have questions about their workplace rights,
whether it be in the public sector or the private sector,
they can contact the foundation. They can find us on
that internet at nrtw.org, or they can call in 800-336-3600
and talk to an attorney directly about what their rights
are and how they can exercise those rights across the country.

Speaker 1 (34:33):
Happy Labor Day, and thank you so much, Mark.

Speaker 4 (34:36):
Dr.

Speaker 1 (34:36):
John Huber. is up next, my friend, the forensic psychologist
about serial killers and more. Slaving over a hot microphone
on Labor Day, Gary Jeff Walker. In for Willie on
the Bill Cunningham Show. How you doing? I trust you

(34:57):
had a wonderful weekend. The weather was perfect yesterday. Got
to spend some time at a friend's condo's pool. And
watch him get absolutely obliterated. Then it was, I said, Chris,
it's time to leave. But it was a great time. And,

(35:19):
of course, fantastic weather for the western southern W.E.B.N. fireworks
last night. Almost perfect. Just enough of a breeze to
let all that smoke from all of those pyrotechnics blow
out so you get the view of the next thing coming.
What is that I hear? It sounds like Dr.

Speaker 5 (35:40):
John.

Speaker 1 (35:44):
Well, because it is Dr.

Speaker 5 (35:46):
John.

Speaker 1 (35:48):
And oddly enough, irony of ironies, we have Dr. John
on the line.

Speaker 2 (35:55):
Dr.

Speaker 1 (35:55):
John Huber, that is, from Austin, Texas, my friend, the
forensic psychologist. Good afternoon, good doctor. How are you?

Speaker 8 (36:02):
I'm amazing, Gary Jeff.

Speaker 2 (36:05):
Thanks for having me on this Labor Day.

Speaker 1 (36:08):
Well, it's great to have you. You know, first up,
we talked last week about some things we might want
to talk about, but I just wanted to get your
impression since you are a forensic psychiatrist or a psychologist. Psychologist. Psychologist.
You do testify in courtroom settings. Did you follow any

(36:32):
of the Lindsay Clancy trial in Massachusetts? And if you did,
What did you think of the psychologist and psychiatrist who
testified for both the defense and the prosecution in that case?
Did you follow it at all?

Speaker 8 (36:49):
I didn't get to hear their testimony, the mental health professionals,
whether it's the psychiatrist or the psychologist. I've read summaries
of them. You know, this is a really bizarre.
Case, you know, and part of it is the social
media that's involved with this.

Speaker 2 (37:11):
And you have so.

Speaker 8 (37:13):
Many people coming up and saying, oh, well, how do
you know he didn't do it, the husband?

Speaker 2 (37:19):
And, you know, it's weird. I did an interview a.

Speaker 8 (37:24):
Few weeks ago before the or during during the initial
phases of the trial. And I was given some some
information from like the deposition that was publicly And the
interesting thing is the wife admits to doing it. Lindsay
admits to doing it. The husband says she did it.

(37:44):
The wife's mother says she does it. The only person
who's out there who seems to think that the husband
might've done it is the husband's own mother. Um, and that,
that has started this whole thing that, Oh, she's innocent. Uh, he,
he did it and he's just blaming her. Um, You know,

(38:04):
there's just a lot of things that don't corroborate that.
You know, him pulling up, you know, in his car,
and she's already on the ground, and she's paralyzed from
the waist down after taking a dive out the upstairs
windows and stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (38:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (38:21):
It's just– there's too many things that don't corroborate that.

Speaker 2 (38:26):
And then you've got this whole other side that's saying, oh,
wait a minute.

Speaker 8 (38:29):
You know, she was so– hormonally imbalanced and emotionally charged
with those two combinations, you know, we should, we should
account for that and almost play like it's not guilty
by reason of insanity. And, you know, and she's not
pleading insanity because that's a whole nother series. We can

(38:54):
talk about that if you want to hear a little bit, but,
but all of a sudden.

Speaker 2 (38:58):
What this does is it's a weird thing.

Speaker 8 (39:02):
You know, it's actually directly going after if a woman
gets away for this because of her emotions and her
hormones being out of balance. You know, the the feminists
out there already saying, wait, don't go there, because if
you do that, then you're saying a woman should never
ever be president because she'll have her finger on the
nuclear button.

Speaker 2 (39:22):
And if she has.

Speaker 8 (39:23):
Her emotions go out of whack for whatever reason or
gets too emotional and saying i don't believe that i
don't believe women are out of control like that and
but but that's kind of what these people are trying
to instigate trying to get.

Speaker 2 (39:36):
Their their i don't know what do you want to
call her a.

Speaker 8 (39:40):
Hero or or their matriarch or whatever that they're trying
to label this woman as uh you know trying to
get her not culpable for her actions. But I think, man,
that's kind of a very slippery slope to be going
down for anybody who wants to protect human rights and

(40:03):
especially women's rights because that basically says, oh, it's outside
women's control. And I disagree with that. I've worked with
too many competent women and men around the world And
in multiple different areas of very heavy stress loads. And,

(40:24):
you know, for the most part, most times I'd rather
be working with a woman in charge when there's heavy stress.
heavy stress and stuff like that personally, just because I
know they tend to be, okay, this is emotional.

Speaker 2 (40:39):
Let's look at logic. Let's go through and let's balance
these things out.

Speaker 8 (40:42):
And I, I kind of prefer that model, but they're,
they're in my opinion, cutting off their nose to spite
their face and they need to back off.

Speaker 1 (40:52):
Obviously you've had to deal with patients who've suffered postpartum depression.
Yes or no.

Speaker 5 (41:00):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (41:01):
Well, well, And it's a fairly common thing. I mean,
you know, it's no small thing to carry a human
being inside you for nine months or more. And all
of the things that does to someone's biology, to their chemistry.

(41:22):
But then to, you know, give birth and not have
those same things going on in a new reality. This
is fairly, it's fairly common for someone who's just given,
a woman who's just given birth, not someone, a woman,
because only women can give birth, Doc, and we know that.

(41:46):
You know, men don't have a uterus or ovaries, but any,
or the right chromosomes. But anyway, I digress, but it is,
is it fairly common?

Speaker 8 (41:58):
What part of depression is, now they're claiming, she had
postpartum psychosis.

Speaker 2 (42:03):
Yes.

Speaker 8 (42:04):
And if you look at the base rates of that,
we're talking about one case per thousand births.

Speaker 2 (42:12):
Okay. Now saying that it's kind of weird. Actually, wait
a minute.

Speaker 8 (42:21):
That one in 1000 births, that's postpartum depression. I have
never seen postpartum psychosis. Now, Understanding I've been doing therapy
and treating people with mental health issues for over 30 years.

Speaker 2 (42:38):
That doesn't mean I've seen everybody.

Speaker 8 (42:42):
So, you know, what is the hallmark of psychosis?

Speaker 2 (42:46):
Well, you have hallucinations, you see or hear things or
smell things that are not there. You have delusions. often
fixed on false beliefs.

Speaker 8 (42:56):
And with the postpartum psychosis, it's often focused around the infant.
With that, it creates severe confusion and disorganization for the individual.

Speaker 2 (43:11):
And often, as somebody talks to.

Speaker 8 (43:13):
Them, they may think something more like delirium, something you
might get with an elderly person who's suffering from some dementia,
but not completely demented because there's some reality involved in there,
and so it kind of confuses you. Just trying to
set what somebody might have run into in your listening audience.

(43:34):
And then they also have very rapid mood swings, and
that's always a trigger. You've got to watch out when
people are going from calm to very frustrated and back
to calm, back and forth all the time. And you
tie that with paranoia and agitation, and then a lack
of sleep because of the newborn baby.

Speaker 2 (43:55):
It sets you up for a dangerous situation.

Speaker 1 (43:57):
Is it common for someone like Lindsay Clancy to have
all the different medications prescribed by multiple doctors? I was
looking at that list. I said, man, this looks like
a grocery list for somebody who's, you know, out of
their minds.

Speaker 8 (44:18):
Yeah, and it unfortunately is, and it's kind of a
scary thing.

Speaker 2 (44:24):
I'm not a prescriber. I'm a PhD, not an MD.

Speaker 8 (44:28):
However, I work very closely with several prescribing psychiatrists and
physicians for the different treatments that I do and with
my patients and doctors across the country because I have
some patients who are you know, on both ends, east
and west coast, and then up in the Midwest and
Florida and like that.

Speaker 2 (44:48):
So I work with a lot of different doctors.

Speaker 8 (44:51):
And my recommendation is always, whether it's the patient around
the corner on my street or my patient that, you know,
I just started seeing over in Ireland, okay, is always
run all your medications through one central physician. So that
physician knows what everybody else is prescribing. And then they

(45:12):
can go back and question the other physicians. So, you know,
it's kind of like that gatekeeper. Most of us have
insurance and everything has to be cleared through our general
practitioner or family practitioner. Well, you need to make sure
that that person knows all your medication from your psychiatrist,
from your proctologist, your gynecologist, your back surgeon, your pain

(45:36):
management doctor. All those medications need to be run through
that one physician. Now, understanding that they're a generalist, they
know a little bit about a lot of different things
and they don't know specifics. So that's why that doctor
then can communicate and get clarity for your specific case
from the prescribing doctors and make sure that everything is

(45:58):
going well. And it's just a safety thing and it
should be done by.

Speaker 2 (46:01):
Everybody, but we're not taught that.

Speaker 8 (46:04):
So I have to teach my patients when they come
in and sit down and we start talking.

Speaker 1 (46:07):
All right, Doc, we have a few minutes left here today.
We did mention in the pre-interview, which is just me
calling my friend going, hey, you want to be on
the show? What do you want to talk about? But
with a few minutes, we did talk about serial killers,
and I wanted to spend a few minutes on serial killers.

(46:30):
What is the one thing, in your professional opinion, that
all serial killers have in common?

Speaker 8 (46:38):
Well, there's a triad of behaviors that when we're able
to get historical information on them, that growing up, they
tended to have this triad of behaviors. Now, just because
you have these doesn't make you a.

Speaker 2 (46:54):
Serial killer or a sociopath.

Speaker 8 (46:57):
But what we seem to see is that most of
those individuals have the triad. And that is fire starting.
They like to play with fires. They're mesmerized by fires.
We also seem to have bedwetting and beyond a normal
developmental stage. I mean, you know, and you need to

(47:19):
check with your pediatrician. I'm not going to go and
educate everybody on that. I mean, it's not very hard
to find out. And then cruelty to animals. Um, for example,
if you look at Jeffrey Dahmer, um, you know, he,
he played with fire all the time. He didn't know
that we are aware of burning anything down. But for example,

(47:42):
when he was a teenager, uh, they, they found all these, uh,
buckets with, with burnt material and stuff in them that
he did out on his parents' property. Um, we also
found buckets with bones of the animals that, that, uh,
he collected. And then, of course, his mother in an

(48:02):
interview admitted that he'd been a bedwetter and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 2 (48:07):
So, you know, that's one example.

Speaker 8 (48:11):
And he was a very successful serial killer. We know that.
Most serial killers are typically above average intelligence. And some
of them actually feel like it's a challenge for them.
This is another kind of commentary. Maybe it's the narcissism
in that. That they think they're smarter than all the

(48:31):
people trying to catch them. And it's almost like a
challenge that they want to taunt and.

Speaker 2 (48:38):
Tease the police.

Speaker 8 (48:40):
Hints like the Zodiac killer who sent all these letters
into newspapers trying to give hints. And we never really
caught the Zodiac killers.

Speaker 1 (48:50):
There's a famous man who for decades has been called
a serial killer. But the last name was Gein, and
he really wasn't, after research, a serial killer, was he?

Speaker 8 (49:07):
Well, you know, as best we can tell, of course,
you have to understand the science back then and the
forensics that weren't available. Plus, he was out in the country,
and his name was Ed Gein, and there's a movie.

Speaker 2 (49:19):
Out called Ed Gein. There's also an Alfred.

Speaker 8 (49:22):
Hitchcock movie about some of his traits.

Speaker 2 (49:25):
It really wasn't about Ed. And Silence of the Lambs
also used Ed.

Speaker 8 (49:31):
And Ed lived out with his mother on their farm
in a multi-story farmhouse. And they were on the road
from the town to the town cemetery. So every time
somebody was buried in that town, they would have to
have the procession down that country road. And what ultimately

(49:52):
it appears he did is he would go after the services,
after the burial, dig the body up and then bring
the body home. But he would rebury the caskets and stuff.
So nobody knew that the body was not in the cemetery.

Speaker 2 (50:05):
Right. And after a while, the skin, he.

Speaker 8 (50:11):
Used the skin. I'm not going to get into the details.
It's kind of nasty and gross. But he would use
the skin to try and make clothes out of. So
he could, you know, pretend like he was one of
the people who died. At the same time, his mother
passed away before he started doing this, from what we
can tell. And he was afraid of being alone. So

(50:34):
he sat her up in a rocking chair. facing the
fields that he worked every day, that he plowed, so
she could watch him even in death. And that you'll
remember from the movie Psycho and using the skin as clothes,
you get that from The Silence of the Lambs. The
police at the time, you know, they were country police.

(50:56):
Their forensics were not the best in the world. They
were kind of shocked by all this, rightfully so. And
kind of ill-prepared, so they messed up a lot of
the evidence for real skilled forensic workers and things like that.
But he's fallen under the label of a serial killer

(51:20):
for lack of where do we put this guy. So
I'm not going to say he definitely wasn't a serial killer.
He's just not your traditional serial killer.

Speaker 1 (51:30):
So if you're watching the Netflix series going into its
third season, Monster the Ed Gein Story, understand that it's
a television show and not necessarily a documentary. Listen, dude,
it's always.

Speaker 2 (51:44):
Yeah, it definitely is.

Speaker 1 (51:45):
It's always great to talk to you, and I'm thankful
that you had some time today, set aside some time there.
Things good in Texas?

Speaker 2 (51:55):
Absolutely, man. It's a beautiful day out here. It's only 103.

Speaker 9 (52:03):
All right.

Speaker 2 (52:04):
No school September day.

Speaker 1 (52:06):
We'll chat in very short order, maybe even after we
get off the air. Thank you, Dr. Huber, as always. Dr.
John Huber.

Speaker 2 (52:14):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (52:15):
Yep, on the Bill Cunningham Show. Gary Jeff in for Willie.
And a real traveler coming up after the news at 1.30.
Our next guest, among other things, likes to write books.
All kinds of different books. The first time I spoke

(52:38):
with him, to my memory, I think we were talking
about the Van Halen book. detailing he and his friend
getting to go to see Van Halen in concert in 1984,
which was a kind of a seminal turning point year
for the band and its fans. And then there was 9-11,

(53:01):
a time to always remember, which I was proud to
talk with him about this. Of course, we're on the
precipice here. We're just four days from the 25th anniversary
of 9-11. He'd written all kinds of other books, Everyone
Bunts and Go the Distance, A True Story of Father

(53:26):
and Son Road, The True Facts Trivia Game. I mean,
he has a lot of interest, and he likes sharing them.
And back in July... He and a friend, another veteran,
decided to embark on a bicycle trip across the country

(53:47):
to raise money for Tunnel to Towers in this 25th
anniversary year of America's worst on-soil terrorist attack. And they
went visiting Tunnel. Firefighters, first responders all across the country

(54:08):
as they rode bicycles from San Diego to the Pentagon,
to Shanksville, Pennsylvania, to the 9-11 Memorial in New York City.
And he's back again. I had a chance to talk
with him multiple checkpoints along that trip. His name is

(54:29):
Jim Serger, Navy vet, author. And bike rider for freedom.
How are you doing, Jimmy? Jim, are you there? Jim,
are you there? Hello, Jim. I give you the big

(54:57):
buildup and then Jimmy's gone. I'm sure he's on the line.
I see him. Okay. Give him a call back. But anyway,
he's going to be on with Dan Carroll later on
this afternoon in the studio. But I wanted to kind
of whet your appetite and give you a little hint
of what's ahead. If you don't know this story, finally

(55:20):
it was covered nationally by the Fox News channel. Jim Serger,
are you there now?

Speaker 7 (55:28):
I can hear you loud and clear.

Speaker 2 (55:30):
Can you hear me five by five?

Speaker 5 (55:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (55:31):
Yes, sir.

Speaker 1 (55:32):
You're, you're coming in like an old radio Rick masterpiece
on Saturday morning, Jimmy. Um, so as I was saying, you,
you wear a lot of hats, uh, for, for, uh,
for a man, any age, but for a man, your age,
you wear a lot of hats. I imagine your, your
hat rack must be, uh, contained within two or three

(55:55):
walk-in closets. Uh, With all the things that you got
your hands in now, we were there right from the beginning.
And you, you told me about this trip you were
planning with, uh, another veteran, uh, named Corey.

Speaker 2 (56:13):
Yes, sir.

Speaker 1 (56:14):
Who lives, who lives where out in Utah. Is that right?
And it's Montana, Montana.

Speaker 2 (56:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (56:20):
Out in Montana. And you guys got together, you, you
approached him with this idea and he said, I'm in Jim.
And the idea was for you to do a tandem
bike ride starting in San Diego that encompassed, you know,
obviously these elevation challenges, especially on a bicycle. And you

(56:41):
were doing it to raise money for Tunnel to Towers.
That is correct. Is it one of the more fulfilling
things you've been able to do in your lifetime, Jim?

Speaker 2 (56:52):
Yes, sir.

Speaker 7 (56:53):
I think the most fulfilling part about the whole journey was, one,
that Corey didn't even know what we were going to do,
and he was 100% in. I hadn't even spoken to
Corey in 30 years. And we picked up right where
we left off when we saw each other in San Diego.
And the very next day, we visited the Oceanside Fire Department,
telling them we were going to ride across America for

(57:14):
Tunnel to Towers. And we were expecting to be there
maybe 10 or 15 minutes. We ended up being there
for an hour and a half. Everybody was sharing their story.

Speaker 1 (57:24):
Of where they were on 9-11.

Speaker 7 (57:26):
And then as we got on the bikes, Corey went first,
then I went, then I went, and then Corey went.
And we stopped at Cal Fire, Cal Fire right there.
All these guys were outside in their gear. And we
rolled the bike in and the support van in. And
then one by one, I told them what we were doing.
We ended up being there for two and a half hours.
Everybody came out of their buildings. The senior person explained

(57:51):
how they sent people there on a rescue mission the
minute they got word that 9-11 happened with the Twin Towers.
Everybody was sharing where my dad was, where my uncle was.
And we stopped at almost 25 or 30 fire stations
from the West Coast all the way to New York.
And we were sometimes in there for five and a
half hours. People.

Speaker 2 (58:12):
Well, you know.

Speaker 1 (58:16):
Jim, that's not a small thing because you were on
a schedule, right? I mean, we must have lost Jim again.
Tell you what, we will take a quick break and
try and get in touch with him again. Bengals, of course,

(58:37):
this coming Sunday, the opening game at home against Tampa Bay.
And we have... Some Bengals updates, finally. It's week one, baby.
We'll do that and talk to Jim Serger again if
we can get him back on the line in just
a moment on 700 WLW. We're talking to Jim Serger,

(58:58):
I think. Jim, are you there?

Speaker 5 (59:00):
Yes, sir.

Speaker 3 (59:01):
Can you hear me?

Speaker 1 (59:02):
Yes, I can. My goodness, Lord, where are you, man?
We just keep losing.

Speaker 6 (59:07):
No, sir.

Speaker 7 (59:07):
I had to use Starlink with Elon Musk. so I
just pressed the button. So I think we're okay now.

Speaker 1 (59:12):
Okay, great. We have a few minutes left, Jim. You
did this to raise money for Tunnel to Towers. And,
you know, there's a whole generation of young adults who
weren't even alive when 9-11 transpired. On September 11th, 2001. Correct.

(59:34):
So I think that you're right also does create awareness
where there is not awareness. Would you agree with that?
Something like that.

Speaker 6 (59:42):
100%. 100%.

Speaker 7 (59:42):
You got to remember that was 25 years ago. My
daughter wasn't even born yet. And I do everything in
my power to educate her, the older she got, about
the heroic efforts and the courage of Flight 93, of Sanksville,
of the Pentagon, everything that happened on that day. And

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the unity that our country went through through that tragic event.
And that's what is fading away. And we got to
keep remembering that. I mean, this is the 25th anniversary,
the silver anniversary.

Speaker 1 (01:00:16):
It's huge.

Speaker 7 (01:00:17):
Silver is very durable. But next year, it's jade for
the 26th anniversary, which means love, lasting love. And that's
what 9-11 is about for me and myself, is how
much love I have for this country, for my fellow American,
for my community, my service.

Speaker 1 (01:00:35):
To the Navy.

Speaker 7 (01:00:35):
I mean, Corey and I hadn't seen each other for
30 years. He said, Jimmy, I'm 100% in. Let's go
do this. Let's go knock this out of the park.

Speaker 5 (01:00:43):
And we did it.

Speaker 7 (01:00:43):
And it was an honor to ride to Shanksville. It
was an honor to ride there. And then the FDNY
Port Authority Honor Guard welcomed us into Manhattan and tears
were streaming down my eyes, streaming. I mean, as big
as my head, you know how big my head is.
I mean, these were huge water drops, Gary Jeff. And

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then we walked around with Sal Cassano, the FDNY fire commissioner,
and there engraved in the medal were the fallen firefighters.

Speaker 3 (01:01:13):
He knew every single one, and he pointed them out.

Speaker 7 (01:01:15):
That was my mentor. That was a person I went
through the cadet training with. And I just sobbed, and
my wife was there. And it was just so emotional
and so moving, and I can still remember where I
was on 9-11. And you say the time, 9-11, everybody
can explain where they were. On September 10th, they can
just say I was at work or at school. But

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on September 12th, that's when people really, their hearts poured
out to this country. And that's what Corey and I
did this writing for, is it's not just a one
and done. It goes all year round, 365 days. Our
flag flies here 365.

Speaker 3 (01:01:53):
We never take it down.

Speaker 5 (01:01:54):
We just don't.

Speaker 7 (01:01:55):
We love this country.

Speaker 1 (01:01:57):
God bless you and God bless America, Jim. You wrote
this book. You released this book last year, 9-11, A
Time to Always Remember, where you interviewed people about where
they were and what they were doing when 9-11 occurred.
And I think it's a great way to remember those

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that we lost and remember remember how the nation was
affected by, uh, correct by this terrorist attack. Um, correct.
And it's still available, right?

Speaker 3 (01:02:35):
Absolutely.

Speaker 7 (01:02:36):
All three of them were. So I got a civilian book,
I got a firefighter book and I got a military
book and all three of the books go to tunnel
to towers.

Speaker 4 (01:02:44):
All the royalties go through.

Speaker 7 (01:02:46):
So it's my honor to write it for them.

Speaker 1 (01:02:48):
Well, it's, it's my honor to talk to you. You're
just such a, An unusual and spectacular American. And I'm
just glad that we hooked up originally to talk about
your concert experience at Van Halen.

Speaker 7 (01:03:08):
Hard to believe that was so long ago now, that 1984.
What a great memory. They provided everything I wanted at
the age of 13. First concert, Roten, Cincinnati Gardens. We
got autographs from them. I mean, you couldn't ask for
a better first experience. And that's what I talk about
with customer service. You get one shot to wow somebody

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the first time you meet them. And Van Halen really
wowed us kids.

Speaker 1 (01:03:35):
You know, I mentioned just a moment ago about you're
visiting all these firehouses on the way across the country
on your bike ride and talking about how there's a
whole generation of young adults who weren't even born during night.
I'm sure there were a bunch of firefighters who weren't born.

Speaker 4 (01:03:56):
Absolutely.

Speaker 7 (01:03:57):
Absolutely.

Speaker 1 (01:03:59):
Did they react any differently than the other first responders
you encountered?

Speaker 7 (01:04:04):
Well, I took it in stride. I had to understand
that there would be some folks and firefighters that were
not born. So I didn't want to catch them off guard.
So we approached it just like we would, a little
bit more of kid gloves on. And then we gave
them a Tunnel to Towers book. Corey and I signed it.
And then the young lady and the young man.

Speaker 2 (01:04:22):
Said, we're newbies.

Speaker 3 (01:04:23):
We're only 24, 23, 22 years old.

Speaker 7 (01:04:23):
And then we explained it. And then they explained where
their parents were or where their grandma was. So it
wasn't so much their impact, but they remember what their
parents and their grandparents said. And that's when it hit
home that somebody was explaining to them the history of
9-11 through their own eyes.

Speaker 1 (01:04:45):
And I think that is a mission of people like
you and me and everybody who was alive and very
aware of where we were and what we were doing.

Speaker 2 (01:04:56):
On that day.

Speaker 1 (01:04:58):
On that beautiful September morning that turned ugly and awful. Yes, sir.
In a New York minute. Jim Serger.

Speaker 5 (01:05:09):
Absolutely.

Speaker 1 (01:05:10):
Thank you so much. Gary, Jeff, thank you, sir. And
you'll be on with Dan today when? In studio?

Speaker 4 (01:05:17):
Yes, sir.

Speaker 7 (01:05:17):
In the studio, 5 to 6.

Speaker 5 (01:05:19):
Yes, sir.

Speaker 1 (01:05:20):
All right. Fantastic.

Speaker 7 (01:05:21):
I appreciate your time today. Thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:05:23):
Appreciate yours on this Labor Day. Just a little preview of,
you can hear Jim's story, and I bet if he's
in the studio, his phone won't go out in the
middle of the interview. Todd Starnes and then Michael Levine
coming up right after the news. And I am laboring away.
And glad to be here. Gary Jeff Walker in for

(01:05:44):
Willie on the Bill Cunningham show on this Monday, September 7th.
And as you heard our conversation with Jim Serger, he
and his buddy tandem bike riding across the country and
this 25th anniversary of nine 11 to raise money for
tunnel to towers. Great stuff. Our next guest has a
different view than maybe you do. Maybe then, uh, Obviously,

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the Democrats and the opposition has of our president, the
45th and 47th president of the United States, Donald Trump.
He's written a book called The Golden Age, How Trump
Saved America. He's been a member of the media for
years and is a fierce defender of our republic and

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American freedom. And his name is Todd Starnes. He's here now. Todd,
good afternoon. Happy Labor Day, sir.

Speaker 10 (01:06:42):
Well, good afternoon and happy. I'm glad I'm not the
only guy laboring on Labor Day.

Speaker 1 (01:06:48):
Well, you're here. You're here doing a shot for me
just so I can I can fill time with good content.
And I appreciate it. So under the backdrop of September 10th, which,
of course, is this Thursday and September 11th, this Friday.
You have said that the golden age of America and

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Donald Trump's presidency is having lasting impacts even after nine
11 and even after the assassination of Charlie Kirk. How
so Todd?

Speaker 2 (01:07:22):
Yes.

Speaker 10 (01:07:23):
I think people have short-term memory loss in the country
and they did not remember just how bad things were
during the Biden auto pen presidency. And really going all
the way back to Obama and his eight years of
fundamentally transforming America. Donald Trump comes along. We're on the

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verge of driving over the communist cliff. And Trump comes
in and saves the country from what I think really
would have been an ultimate communist takeover. Now, here's the caveat. Yes,
Trump did save the republic. But what is saved can
also be lost again. So we all have sort of

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skin in the game here to make sure that we
save the republic. Like Reagan said, freedom's not passed along
in the bloodstream. Every generation has to fight for freedom.

Speaker 1 (01:08:18):
Oh, indeed. I agree. I would say, and I have
a PR expert on here in a few minutes after
our time is done, but Among the things I'm going
to ask him, if you were advising Republicans right now
on the campaign trail as we get closer and closer
to the midterms and just a couple months away, how

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would you advise them to present their message? Because Republicans
seem to have a messaging problem from time to time.
Don't you agree?

Speaker 10 (01:08:53):
They have a major messaging problem, and honestly, the voters
are disgusted.

Speaker 2 (01:09:00):
With the Congress right now. And I think that's one
of the.

Speaker 10 (01:09:03):
Reasons why we've seen such a depressed turnout of Republican
voters in the primaries. And the reality is the Republicans
haven't done all that much in Congress. They haven't moved
the president's agenda. My argument to folks who call into
my national show, noon to three Eastern, is forget about

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the Congress.

Speaker 2 (01:09:28):
We've got to save.

Speaker 10 (01:09:29):
Donald Trump from impeach-a-palooza. The Democrats have already said this
is exactly, as a matter of fact, Jimmy Rangel, the
congressman coming out and saying they will be impeaching the
president if they get control of the Congress.

Speaker 6 (01:09:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (01:09:42):
So, again, I really don't think there's anything the Republicans
can do.

Speaker 2 (01:09:47):
I think that, you know, the jig is up.

Speaker 10 (01:09:50):
They've made promises election cycle after election cycle, and they
just don't deliver. And that's the point of the golden
age is to remind people this is what Donald Trump
has done for the country.

Speaker 2 (01:10:02):
This is what he laid on the line for the country.

Speaker 1 (01:10:06):
You also are referencing in your conversations the anniversary of
the one-year anniversary of the murder of Charlie Kirk and
what Charlie's legacy will be as we plunge headlong into
the rest of this golden age. What is the Charlie

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Kirk legacy in your estimation, Todd?

Speaker 10 (01:10:30):
You know, I really struggled with how to frame that
chapter of the book. I knew that we had to
cover it. We had to talk about it. And it
actually happened. The assassination happened while I was live on
the air interviewing Senator James Langford from Oklahoma. And so
we just literally took the transcripts of that show and

(01:10:53):
crafted the story and told the story. I think that
the legacy of Charlie Kirk is this young generation of
Gen Zers who are not afraid to stand up, not
afraid to embrace traditional values. There's polling data out showing
that the younger side of Gen Z is perhaps those

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conservative generations since the World War II generation. So I
think there's hope there. You know, the one challenge... is
our nation's education system. It has been overrun by the communists,
and that's the engine driving this radical change across our
country right now, and we've got to do something about that.

Speaker 1 (01:11:40):
You were on the day after 9-11, you were there
reporting in New York City.

Speaker 2 (01:11:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:11:49):
Give listeners just a couple minutes' glimpse of what that,
that hellscape was like for you as a reporter?

Speaker 10 (01:11:58):
I was able to get in with a group of
FBI chaplains, ironically, and I was at the pit and
walked through the area, and there was a giant makeshift
morgue there, and I remember the AT & T.

Speaker 1 (01:12:20):
Had set up a phone bank.

Speaker 10 (01:12:22):
They had brought in this trailer full of telephones, and
I remember I was talking to a family member back home.
I had been there for several days at that point,
and I remember seeing people coming in, and I asked
one of them, I said, what are you guys, what's
in your hands? Because they would cover it up, and

(01:12:42):
there were literal remains of that they were finding, just
small pieces of bodies, bringing them in. That and the
smell stuck with me for the past 25 years. It's
almost as if I'm right back in lower Manhattan when
all of that happened.

Speaker 1 (01:13:04):
Well, Todd Starnes, where can people find you real quickly?
You were talking about being on the air. Where are
you on the air, and where can they look for you?

Speaker 2 (01:13:12):
Sure.

Speaker 10 (01:13:13):
Well, we're on about 150 radio stations around the nation,
noon to 3 Eastern. You can go to ToddStearns.com and
you can see all of our stories. We have a
great team that puts together a lot of crazy stories
you won't see in the mainstream media.

Speaker 1 (01:13:28):
Yep. Sounds like my cup of tea. Thank you for
being on my show this afternoon. And again, happy Labor Day,
Todd Stearns.

Speaker 2 (01:13:38):
It's a great honor. We love WLW.

Speaker 10 (01:13:40):
You guys are good people.

Speaker 1 (01:13:41):
Well, thank you, sir. Thank you very much for that.
Michael Levine, America's PR guy, coming up next on the
Bill Cunningham Show.

Speaker 9 (01:13:52):
As we continue on this Labor Day afternoon, I am
proud to have as our next guest America's publicist, America's
public relations expert, easy for me to say.

Speaker 1 (01:14:04):
He is the PR guy that all other PI guys
want to grow up to be like someday. And he's
represented some of the biggest names that you can imagine.
And I have some pertinent questions for one Michael Levine today.
Good morning, Michael. How are you, or good afternoon?

Speaker 5 (01:14:22):
Good morning, sir.

Speaker 6 (01:14:23):
And if you're proud for me to be on your show,
I'm even more honored because I'm sharing your valuable audience with.

Speaker 5 (01:14:30):
You, friend.

Speaker 1 (01:14:31):
Yeah, I got to tell you, we're just ahead of 9-11, obviously.
But I wanted to focus on November because we're closer together.
than anyone even wants to think of to the November
midterm elections. And as a PR expert, what kind of

(01:14:52):
public relations would you employ as a Republican candidate, especially
if you're running against one of these DSA candidates or
the surge of socialism and Marxism that has come to
dominate the Democrat Party? And we do have an unpopular...
war or excursion or whatever you want to call it

(01:15:15):
in Iran right now, we do have these high gas
prices and high prices overall. They're not as high as
they were, by the way, during the Biden administration, but
people's memories are very short, Michael. So the question is,
what kind of public relations should the Republicans be employing?

(01:15:35):
Because that party, for all of the great ideas and
the great proposals... And the policies that actually are making
America great again are falling on deaf ears among some
of the voters. How do we get their attention when
you've got characters like Hassan Piker and Abdul Al-Sayed and they're,

(01:15:59):
you know, they are projecting at least in their quarters
a very positive kind of moving forward for the Democrats.
How do the Republicans face this, Michael?

Speaker 6 (01:16:12):
Well, I think that first, you must constantly remind potential
voters or voters that voting.

Speaker 5 (01:16:24):
Is a binary choice. It's a comparison, right?

Speaker 6 (01:16:29):
It's not a comparison between the ideal. It's a comparison
toward what is being offered. a plan that is not
without pain, but necessary and responsible, or a con job

(01:17:00):
that will be equivalent to turning your house that is.

Speaker 5 (01:17:08):
Smelling some smoke over to an arsonist. That is the choice.

Speaker 3 (01:17:14):
But I would not.

Speaker 6 (01:17:15):
Shy away from talking straight and authentically to the voters
and saying, now listen, two.

Speaker 5 (01:17:23):
Years ago, we inherited a.

Speaker 6 (01:17:27):
Mess of epic proportion. 10 to 20 million Americans invaded
our nation. with the ramifications that are hard to imagine long-term. Now,
we are going about the business of fixing these problems,

(01:17:50):
and we are making very good progress. And as Ronald
Reagan said, friends, it's time to stay the course.

Speaker 5 (01:18:01):
We cannot go back.

Speaker 6 (01:18:04):
To a plan that that is guaranteed to bring catastrophe
to this country and to the people who live in it.
This plan that we are working on does have costs.
It does have pain. There is no shortcut through the

(01:18:26):
fire walk. But friends, we must not.
Fall prey to a con job of free items. Ladies
and gentlemen, voters of America, if you haven't learned by
age 10 that there is no free lunch, that everything

(01:18:49):
in life worthwhile has a cost then you are poorly
educated we must stay the course because the alternative is
dire yeah i.

Speaker 1 (01:19:02):
I would uh along those lines michael uh and yes
sir President Trump and the Republicans have a huge war
chest of money to combat, and the Democrats are running
at a deficit, which is kind of ironic and not
surprising at all, because their plans would put us at
even greater deficits than we face now as a country.

(01:19:26):
I mean, officially, it's a little over $ 40 trillion, our
national debt. The things they're proposing... are in the hundreds
of trillions of dollars that we simply do not have.
If you taxed every billionaire every cent they made and
took it away from them, you still would not cover
what the Democrat Socialists and what the Democrat Party in

(01:19:47):
large is projecting and trying to say they can do
for the American public. Full of empty promises that can
never be fulfilled, Michael.

Speaker 6 (01:19:56):
Well, it's a con job. Look, let's take New York City.
So Mondani says to voters, vote for me, vote for me,
and I, I will give you free buses, free buses.
Vote for me. Now, a year has come and a

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year is gone.

Speaker 5 (01:20:19):
Question. Do we have free buses in New York?

Speaker 2 (01:20:22):
No.

Speaker 5 (01:20:23):
Are we going to have free buses in New York?

Speaker 4 (01:20:25):
No.

Speaker 5 (01:20:26):
So his promise was nothing.

Speaker 3 (01:20:29):
More than a con job.

Speaker 6 (01:20:32):
It was a con job, and people fell for it.

Speaker 5 (01:20:36):
We must not make that mistake nationally.

Speaker 1 (01:20:39):
If I was a Republican candidate, Michael, running in one
of these districts, at least a quarter of my ads
would be devoted to showing archival footage of Cuba, of
Venezuela during Chavez and Maduro. and what the people endured,
of the Soviet gulags, of the millions of people that

(01:21:03):
were murdered by Mao in China, it would be just
a nonstop loop. Do you think that would be effective?

Speaker 5 (01:21:14):
I do, and I also think that.

Speaker 6 (01:21:18):
If you want to tell people the truth, you better
make them laugh.

Speaker 5 (01:21:26):
Or they'll kill you.

Speaker 6 (01:21:29):
Make your opponent look ridiculous. And there's plenty of material
to make the democratic socialists look ridiculous.

Speaker 5 (01:21:44):
Their plans are absurd.

Speaker 6 (01:21:48):
You listen to some of the stuff that And it's
as if they're being written by parody writers on Saturday
Night Live.

Speaker 4 (01:21:56):
I know. I know.

Speaker 1 (01:21:59):
Listen, Michael, I know that if I were running for office,
and thank God for my constituents, I'm not. I would
definitely hire somebody like you to get things on track
here in the last 60 days before the election. Thank
you so much, and thank you for working hard on
Labor Day. You can say whatever you want.

Speaker 5 (01:22:20):
Can I mention, I have a new book out.

Speaker 6 (01:22:22):
Simon & Schuster has just published my new book called
Authentic PR. Oh, wow.

Speaker 5 (01:22:28):
And I think it's an exploration of some of what
we're talking about. It's exactly. Authentic PR. Yeah, Simon & Schuster.
So thank you for the opportunity, brother.

Speaker 1 (01:22:39):
Absolutely. Michael Levine, Authentic PR, out now. As we continue
on this Bill Cunningham show, Gary Jeff in for Willie
on 700 WLW. As we count down the final minutes
before I'm out of here, Dan Carroll's in this afternoon.
Gary Jeff in for Willie. Everybody loves a good Stooge report.
I know I do. I've enjoyed hosting Stooge reports before, but,

(01:23:02):
you know, it's Labor Day, so the usual Stooge is
not available. And the Stooge... Host is not available. So
in lieu of a Stooges report, I'd like to bring
in a longtime sports voice here in Cincinnati. I don't
know how much sports we'll actually talk about because right

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now he's a little miffed at me for giving such
glowing praise to Michael Levine and his PR skills. He
does the PR game, too, very well. My friend Andy Furman. Furball,
good afternoon and welcome to the show. Thank you for
taking some time today on this day off for most
people to speak with me.

Speaker 2 (01:23:47):
Andy?

Speaker 5 (01:23:48):
Hello?

Speaker 1 (01:23:49):
Yeah, hi. Were you listening?

Speaker 5 (01:23:52):
Hello.

Speaker 1 (01:23:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:23:55):
Andy?

Speaker 1 (01:23:55):
Andy, I'm here.

Speaker 6 (01:23:56):
Jeez.

Speaker 1 (01:24:02):
He couldn't hear me. This is the second time this
has happened today, which is a challenge. But you know what?
Just for, yeah, why don't you call him back? Just
for S's and G's. Hold on a second. See if
he's there now, this time. For S's and G's, let's

(01:24:23):
all say Tempstar together. Tempstar! Hello, Andy, are you there?

Speaker 2 (01:24:28):
Hello?

Speaker 6 (01:24:30):
Andy?

Speaker 1 (01:24:31):
He really can't hear you. Call him back on his
cell phone. This is ridiculous. I thought about all the
times that I've done Stooge reports in the past. And
we have the cuts. And Seg, you know, is trying
his best to give a sports report while Willie interrupt him.
And the whole cavalcade of comedy that ensues often when

(01:24:58):
that occurs. And there's no way to really replicate that. Andy,
are you there? Hello, Andy, are you there? I understand.

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I'm going to take a quick break and we're going
to try and get the furball back because I really
have nothing else planned right now. But believe me, we
will go with whatever we've got in just minutes. Babysitting
this 50,000-watt signal for this multibillion-dollar company, wondering if our

(01:25:43):
equipment will ever work properly. Andy Furman, are you there?

Speaker 5 (01:25:49):
I'm here.

Speaker 4 (01:25:49):
You know, I just need a minute for myself. I
want to reset my sand clock to see if our
segment's going to be longer than the commercial segment break.

Speaker 5 (01:25:58):
All right?

Speaker 1 (01:25:58):
Well, yeah, our segment would have been way longer if
you could hear me when we first went to you.

Speaker 4 (01:26:05):
Well, I did speak with you prior to the news.

Speaker 1 (01:26:08):
I know. And your phone was operating fine. My phone
was operating fine. It is this.

Speaker 2 (01:26:14):
We were hacked.

Speaker 1 (01:26:15):
This fine high-tech equipment. Do you think somebody, maybe the
Communist Chinese Party, would not want us to be on
the air together to disseminate the truth, Andy? Do you
think that's what it was?

Speaker 4 (01:26:26):
I would not think that because I don't think that
many people are even listening today because it's Labor Day
and the only idiot who works on this day is you.

Speaker 1 (01:26:35):
And I'm an idiot now because the equipment's not properly working.

Speaker 4 (01:26:39):
You're an idiot for commenting on the equipment. Things happen.
You know, you should be so pleased and happy that
you're working at the best radio station in the city.
All right. And you have behind the microphone 50,000 watts
of power and you're knocking the equipment.

Speaker 3 (01:26:53):
It happens.

Speaker 5 (01:26:54):
It happens.

Speaker 4 (01:26:55):
You have a car. Sometimes it breaks down, right?

Speaker 1 (01:26:59):
It happens. It never happened. It never happened until we
went to our new high-tech studios, Andy.

Speaker 4 (01:27:07):
Before, when we were on the other side of the building.
Usually all day long, everything's fine. Maybe something you did.
I don't know, but I don't want to continue belaboring
on this because it happens. It's no one's fault, and
it's certainly not the equipment's fault because it's a wonderful company.
It's the best company in radio today, iHeartMedia.

Speaker 1 (01:27:23):
Name for me.

Speaker 7 (01:27:24):
You were complaining.

Speaker 1 (01:27:25):
Andy, you were previously complaining to me off-air. about how
I lauded Michael Levine, our guest just before the news
at 2.30, who had no problem hearing me at all.
So can you name for me some of your big
PR triumphs as a guy who does PR primarily?

Speaker 5 (01:27:48):
Well, I would say this.

Speaker 4 (01:27:49):
I would think that basically what he does and what
I do are two different animals. My job was to
create noise, create business. I worked in sports and sports,
sometimes sports facilities that were on their back. You know,
I have a whole list of things that I've done.
I've lakes region. I work for Delaware North companies, a

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division of sports service corporation. Never heard of what they
did to me in 1980. They sent me from a
facility to facility. I started out at Buffalo Raceway in Hamburg,
New York. From there, I went to Centennial Park in Littleton, Colorado,
went to Lakes Region Greyhound Park in Belmont, New Hampshire.
I went to a dog track in West Memphis, Arkansas,

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and then I ended up at Latonia Racecourse in Florence, Kentucky.
My job was A. don't get arrested. B, do whatever
you can to get people through the doors.

Speaker 3 (01:28:43):
And I did.

Speaker 4 (01:28:44):
I did crazy stunts. At Latonia, I had Chris Collinsworth
race a horse. At Latonia, I got married in the
winner's circle 44 years ago yesterday.

Speaker 1 (01:28:52):
Oh, happy anniversary.

Speaker 4 (01:28:54):
Thank you very much. Those are some things I have done.
Certain things I'm not proud of what I've done. And
Buffalo Raceway, I only lasted there for one pay period
because I had a Polish night and I had the
horses running around the track the wrong way.

Speaker 1 (01:29:06):
You had a Polish night?

Speaker 4 (01:29:09):
Yeah, I went to the Hamburg Police Department in Hamburg,
New York. I asked for one-way signs. I put the
one-way signs on the backstretch and I had the, it
was a harness track. I had the drivers and their
sulkies go around the track the wrong way. It was
the Polish pace. Can't do that anymore now. I was
lucky I got away with it then.

Speaker 1 (01:29:26):
You couldn't do it then. You only lasted one pay period.

Speaker 4 (01:29:29):
Well, I was lucky. I knew when I got hired
by Sports Service, I'd never get fired because I had
so many facilities. They would transfer me from one facility
to another. But the only mistake I made really was
that I didn't realize Buffalo is like 99% Polish. So
there were some people that got upset. I'll give you
an example of what happened there. And this is the
stuff that you can't compare me to Michael Levine, whatever

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his name was. Buffalo had two newspapers at the time,
the Courier-Journal in the morning and the Buffalo Evening News
in the afternoon. So every racetrack usually has a big
marquee in front. And I went to the guy who's
the superintendent who handles the marquee.

Speaker 5 (01:30:05):
I said, you've got to do me a favor.

Speaker 4 (01:30:06):
He said, what's that? I said, on the marquee today,
you've got to put down Polish night tonight, post time,
7 o'clock. But when you put the letters up on
the marquee, spell Polish with a backwards P.

Speaker 5 (01:30:17):
What do you mean?

Speaker 4 (01:30:18):
Please, just do me a favor. So he did that.
Polish night tonight with a backwards P. I get on
the phone with the officer. I called the Buffalo Evening News.
I said, you're not going to believe this. I said,
some schmuck spelled Polish wrong on the marquee at Buffalo Raceway.

Speaker 5 (01:30:31):
Bingo.

Speaker 4 (01:30:32):
Hang up. Next day, front page of the Buffalo Evening News.
That's the publicity I get.

Speaker 1 (01:30:36):
Like you said, you're making noise. Did you ever make
any noise?

Speaker 4 (01:30:41):
I'm what they call in Yiddish what they call a tummler.
You can look it up. T-U-M-M-A-L-H, I believe. I make
a lot of noise. That's what I do. I was
hired to make noise. Now I do it on the radio.

Speaker 1 (01:30:51):
You were once on the editorial board at the Cincinnati Inquirer,
weren't you?

Speaker 4 (01:30:56):
Well, I am on the what's called, I think, the
frequent contributor board. I'm still on that board. It's a
non-paid board. It's just if you write op-eds, they put
you on the board. And honestly, I just don't have
enough time right now. I'll squeeze one in. I like
to consider it sports related. I don't want to write
about anything else that's just sports. So something will come
up as soon as this Bengals season starts, and I'll

(01:31:18):
think of something, and I'll jot it down and send
it over to the Enquirer people. Kevin Aldridge, the man.
He's the main man at the Enquirer.

Speaker 1 (01:31:25):
You don't have any ideas about what you'll be writing
about the Bengals because they haven't played their first game yet,
which is, of course, coming up on Sunday. But, I mean,
do you have any thoughts about the upcoming season at all, Andy?

Speaker 4 (01:31:38):
Well, I mean, I can't wait for it to start
because I think it's a fine time of year. I
like the season. I think it's a little too hot
sometimes in the summertime. I like I like the changing
colors on the trees.

Speaker 2 (01:31:48):
I like that.

Speaker 4 (01:31:49):
I mean, I just love the fall because even when
I went to school as a student, the fall always
seemed to roll by. Why is that? Because you live
for Sunday, you live for football, and it just zooms
from week to week. It really does. Now, the spring
semester was always dragged along. It really did. But the fall, boom, bingo,
you got Thanksgiving before you know it, Christmas, and then
school's out and you get the finals. So it was

(01:32:09):
always a fast semester in the fall, and especially now.
I mean, there's an SMU football game tonight. They got
NFL on Wednesday. They got NFL on Thursday, college football
Friday and Saturday, and the Bengals play on Sunday. So
we're loaded. It's ball fest, really, when you think about it.

Speaker 2 (01:32:24):
You're right.

Speaker 1 (01:32:25):
You know, my wife is a big Bengals fan, and
she loves professional football, but she always kind of said,
you know, I don't like... You're not hearing me again?

Speaker 2 (01:32:36):
All right.

Speaker 1 (01:32:40):
So apparently Andy can't hear me again. But what I
was going to say is that She is a big
Bengals fan, professional football primarily. And this weekend, she never
was really a college football fan. But this weekend, she goes,
it's football. I don't care. I don't care who's playing.
She's an Alabama fan. Andy, are you hearing me now?

Speaker 5 (01:33:03):
Oh, whoa.

Speaker 1 (01:33:04):
Are you hearing? Are you hearing? He's not hearing me.
We're going to end that experiment, Dave. Thank you. But
what I was saying was, it didn't matter because she
was so starved for football. I don't know if you
felt that way this past weekend with week one of the,
you know, the official start of college football. We had

(01:33:26):
games the week before, but this was the big, big week. And, uh, I,
I thought that it was wonderful. Uh, the crowd's, and
the action on the field, and I watch games that
probably once we get into the season, I probably won't

(01:33:48):
pay as much attention to. I mean, even Ohio State's
blowout of Ball State, or testicle tech as I like
to call it, was entertaining. It was 56 to whatever
the final score was. And the other big blowouts, and
there were a bunch of them, but then you look
at Michigan, and the nail biter, that the Wolverines went

(01:34:11):
through at home in Ann Arbor against not a Big
Ten team, you know, UC. And their wipeout, the Bearcats'
wipeout of Boston College eventually became a wipeout as the
game progressed. But even that, every minute of that was
entertaining for both of us because it was back. I

(01:34:35):
wonder how long that lasts. And my question to you is,
If the Bengals get off to another one of their
incredibly bad, slow starts, which I don't think is going
to happen, but if it does, will you be disgusted
by the first loss or the second loss or the

(01:34:56):
third loss? Play in Tampa Bay this coming Sunday at home,
and everybody's excited. How long does that excitement last just
because we've been dying to have football back? it is
so America's sport. They always called baseball America's pastime, but
there is nothing particularly like NFL football, but even college football,

(01:35:24):
when you've been starved from it the entire time is refreshing.
And it's just what Andy said. It's not just the,
changing of the season and the changing of the leaves
and the cooler air and all of that. There's something
special about football. Dave from Harrison, is that you?

Speaker 3 (01:35:48):
Yes, sir, it is.

Speaker 1 (01:35:52):
And you can hear me just fine.

Speaker 3 (01:35:54):
I can hear you, sir.

Speaker 2 (01:35:55):
Can you hear me?

Speaker 1 (01:35:58):
Unfortunately, yes, I can.

Speaker 5 (01:36:01):
Take a big, deep breath.

Speaker 3 (01:36:02):
Take a deep breath.

Speaker 4 (01:36:04):
Can you smell me?

Speaker 1 (01:36:08):
I can smell football in the air, and that's what
I was talking about. Are you excited about football season, Dave?

Speaker 9 (01:36:14):
I am, and I called in because it seemed like
the terminology you were looking for was boat race.

Speaker 5 (01:36:21):
That one team boat raced the other one.

Speaker 2 (01:36:24):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:36:25):
I think that's something that my producer, Liam, made up
on Saturday mornings. I'd never heard that as describing a
lopsided score until he said it.

Speaker 5 (01:36:36):
It's nothing like a good molly whomping.

Speaker 2 (01:36:38):
Too, right?

Speaker 1 (01:36:39):
Yeah, the molly whomp was another one. Dave, it's so
good to hear from you while I'm trying to finish
out this show the last two minutes, and I appreciate
you for helping me kill, and when I say kill,
I mean literally kill, a minute or so of this.
Thank you.

Speaker 5 (01:36:57):
I called to see if I could help you out.

Speaker 3 (01:37:00):
Andy was having a little trouble there, but I couldn't
get to him.

Speaker 1 (01:37:04):
Yeah, I don't know. I'm going to have to have
a long talk with that boy. And you can hear
me talk to Dave almost every Saturday morning with his
bad dad jokes at 6 o'clock. Well, I mean, that's
about it for me. Dan Carroll, I hope he has
better luck with his guests being able to actually communicate
with him than I did in this half hour. But

(01:37:27):
it's a pleasure to be with you anytime. And I
am on one of the truly great radio stations. in
this country and it's humbling and it's an honor and
it's a privilege to be with you even on a
labor day on a holiday when nobody's working and most
people are not, uh, caring about what's on the radio,

(01:37:50):
especially talk radio. But, uh, thanks for taking the time.
The podcast will be available. Uh, what we can put
on the podcast. I don't, I don't think this half
hour will make it onto the podcast. As soon as
the show is over, have a wonderful rest of your
Labor Day if you're off work. And remember that somebody

(01:38:12):
always has to carry that barge, lift that toad, you know,
haul that bale. And we're doing it for you, the
American public. Because, like Willie, we are all great Americans.
Even Andy Furman, whether or not his phone works. Anyway,

(01:38:35):
Dan Carroll, in for the usual as we continue this
day of replacement radio. Still great radio on the nation's station.

Speaker 2 (01:38:47):
700 WLW.