Mike Allen Saturday Morning -- 12/6/25

Mike Allen rants about the latest news and takes your calls. Christopher Smitherman highlights corruption and incompetence in the city of Cincinnati. Steve Goodin discusses the $8 million lawsuit against the Cincinnati Police Department. Janice Hisle, of the E-Poch Times, talks about the billion-dollar fraud in Minnesota.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
News Radio seven hundred WLW Mike Allen and Saturday midday
really cold Saturday morning. I hate this weather. I'll tell
you what. This is something to behold. That situation out
in Minnesota, with the fraud out there, it's just staggering,

(00:21):
and it only gets worse. I really do believe we're
only at the tip of the iceberg on this thing.
I mean, at least one billion dollars basically just stolen
from the taxpayers, and the whistleblowers say it could go
up to eight billion, probably land somewhere in the middle.

Speaker 2 (00:42):
It's just mind boggling.

Speaker 1 (00:44):
How something like that could happen under the government's nose.
You know, I did this. I just felt like playing
around here a little bit. So just to put it
in perspective, let's just assume the total loss is one
billion bucks. I looked up on AI and I trust
a pretty much what the salary for a Minneapolis police

(01:08):
officer is. The average salary, Boy, it's not bad. Ninety
six thousand dollars a year. So I divided ninety six
thousand by one billion. It came up to and it
was wrong. It's not my fault, it's ours, but it's
not wrong. They could hire ten thousand, four hundred and

(01:30):
sixteen police officers with that one billion dollars. Again, it
is a staggering waste of taxpayer money.

Speaker 2 (01:40):
Basically, it's three programs.

Speaker 1 (01:43):
We're going to talk about a couple here today, and
we're also going to be talking to Janie Heisel about
this at eleven. She's on this, and I feel very
comfortable saying this as tight as any reporter in this country.
She was recognized by Newt Gingrich for her reporting on
this story. She fouled a news story yesterday. I believe

(02:06):
it was with some more facts. We'll be talking to
Janis at eleven o'clock about it. So the big one is,
or at least the first one is feeding our future.

Speaker 2 (02:18):
Sounds good, doesn't it. They always have those names that
they put on them. This one. They know that more.

Speaker 1 (02:25):
Than two hundred and fifty million dollars was stolen from
the taxpayers on this one. So they used the money
to buy luxury cars, houses, beachfront property, jewelry. And if
that sounds familiar, that's exactly what Black Lives Matter, the

(02:45):
sainted Black Lives Matter did, And to the best of
my knowledge, there were no prosecutions in that gee, I
wonder why, Okay, Medicaid claims submitted through the program that's
called Housing Stabilization Services. So they're supposed to use the

(03:08):
medicaid dollars, which Medicaid is healthcare related Medicaid dollars to
fund find and maintain housing for senior citizens, people with
disabilities or substance abuse. They got these people got the
names of people from places like addiction treatment centers. Pick

(03:30):
up the phone and say, hey, you know, we're from
the government. We're here to help. Who can we help?
Give us your list?

Speaker 2 (03:37):
And they then the Somalians inflated submitted inflated numbers in
these reimbursement claims. That one at least now reached one
hundred and four million in twenty twenty four, one hundred
four million dollars of the taxpayer's dough taken. This one

(03:58):
might be the most just ballsy, I guess is the
way to say it. People have no function at all
figuring out what's right and what's fair. Autism care funding Autism,
of course is a big thing now, and that's a
good thing. I've got a little grand niece who is autistic.

(04:21):
I'm glad to see that happen. Didn't happen here though.

Speaker 1 (04:26):
All right, there's a twenty eight year old woman by
the name of Asha Faran Hassan. She would recruit parents
to get their kids checked for autism. Okay, every child
recruited by this person, guess what was diagnosed with autism,

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whether they had it or not.

Speaker 2 (04:49):
And the overwhelming number did not.

Speaker 1 (04:53):
I mean, wouldn't you think that that would stand out
to an auditor, to a controller, or to a governor
and attorney general for that matter. So anyway, they got
the kickback. The somebodi's got the money, and they gave
a kickback of three hundred to fifteen hundred dollars per

(05:16):
excuse me, fifteen thousand dollars per child they just put
in their pocket. Now, the common thread among these examples
is that it's obvious, although I can't say it, I'm
gonna say it, most of the defendants, the people involved
in this thing are of Somalian heritage. But again, you're

(05:39):
not allowed to say that because if you do, you
may be called are you ready racist? Or even worse
than that, you may be called Islamophobic.

Speaker 2 (05:54):
That's legit too. And as we get into this story, you're.

Speaker 1 (05:57):
Gonna see people did not want to move on this,
and that is one of the reasons, believe it or not.

Speaker 2 (06:04):
And here's the kicker.

Speaker 1 (06:05):
This is just if it's not bad enough, this is
the cherry on top of the Sunday Some of the money,
from what I'm reading, a great deal of the money
is kicked back to a group by the name of
Al Shabab, which just happens to be a Somalian terrorist group.

(06:26):
Isn't that a nice little touch our money, taxpayer money
going to fund something like that. And this is Janis's reporting.
Janice Heisler's reporting from a couple of weeks ago. I
just want to read you something there. There's a guy
named William Klan. He's a former Federal Reserve Systems analyst.
He told the Epoch Times that he believes and I'm

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going to quote him here. Janis quoted him in the story.
He believes with one hundred percent certainty, one hundred percent certainty,
that our Shabab is receiving the money, most likely despite
the sender's intentions to benefit their friends and relatives back home.

(07:09):
So I guess that means the thieves are stealing from
the thieves you get what you asked for. I guess
does that surprise you at all? Given the people that
are involved in this?

Speaker 3 (07:21):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (07:21):
Hell no. And of course it's a terrorist group.

Speaker 1 (07:24):
But you and I through this, our tax pro federal
taxpayer dollars were funding it. You know, you might be
asking yourself, because I did. I asked myself, how in
the heck could something like this go on? And I've
never heard about it. I follow this stuff closely. I
didn't hear anything about this. You know, Tim Waltz was

(07:48):
the Democrat candidate for vice president. Wouldn't you think that
would have come up in their vetting process. Pretty bad.
But with respect to the media, listen to this network coverage. Now,
this was as of early this week, so the numbers
might not be the same now, but at any rate, ABC,

(08:09):
the Big Three, ABC, CBS, NBC, none of whom are
very relevant anymore, but it gives you an idea. ABC
gave zero minutes to the story, CBS zero minutes coverage,
but ABC, man, they really turned everything over to learn

(08:31):
about this.

Speaker 2 (08:31):
They gave it one minute. It's just it's.

Speaker 1 (08:36):
Sad, and there were people that knew about this. This
is from Yahoo News, a group of Minnesota State employees
said that they wrote to former Vice President Kamala Harris,
Kamala Harris and the Democratic National Committee multiple times quote
warning them about Waltz and what they described as his

(08:58):
quote incompetence, fraud, scandals, and retaliation close quote. Of course,
Walts was Harris's running mate in twenty twenty four. Okay,
ABC World News, and they're all circle on the wagons
protecting Tim Waltz. I mean, that's what they're doing. You know,

(09:19):
you can always they can always count on the mainstream
media to cover their tales. Okay again from Yahoo News,
ABC's World News Tonight, NBC's Nightly News, and CBS Evening
News have not mentioned Waltz by name in the past week,
according to a search of transcripts using Gravyan media. Not

(09:41):
familiar with that, but didn't even mention the guy. He's
the governor. I mean, Okay, the story goes on, and
this is this just drives home what I just said.
The terms Somalia and Somalian were also not used on
any of the three network newscast And let's just face it,

(10:06):
that's what this is about. The overwhelming majority of these
people are of Somalian descent. I think that's relevant. It's
relevant for a political reason. You know, these people, Walls
and others. They don't want to honk off that community.
So it's fine, you know, still billion dollars. But I'm

(10:26):
not gonna make you mad. Somebody may call me islamophobic.
Oh my god, we couldn't have that.

Speaker 4 (10:33):
Well.

Speaker 1 (10:34):
The story goes on in Yahoo News another day, another
massive story of blue state political mouthfeasans hidden by the
elitist media nightly news NewsBusters, which is a media watchdog group.

Speaker 2 (10:50):
They're really good, got a great website.

Speaker 1 (10:53):
NewsBusters analysts Jorge Bania set in a report for the
conservative media watchdog group. Quote this time, there's not a
peep about the exploding welfare scandal currently engulfing the state
of Minnesota, which directly implicates some of its senior most
elected officials. That's close quote two wit Governor Wallace. So

(11:19):
you kind of get the idea. I mean, if you
hadn't heard about that, that's one of the reasons why.
I mean, they're not gonna they're just not gonna cover it. Well,
they have to cover it now, but they're going to
protect their people. It's just the way it is, you know,
it's overwhelming, this whole thing is. It's just it's hard
to believe. And those elected officials. There's no way that

(11:44):
the attorney general of that state and the governor of
that state did not know about this. There's no way,
you know. In spite of that, too, Kamala Harris picks
him for her running mate. I mean, she could have
had Josh Sapiro in Pennsylvania, a far better candidate, but

(12:06):
she couldn't do that because if she did that, she
would honk off the anti Semitic base of the Democrat Party.

Speaker 2 (12:16):
So she picks this bozo and you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (12:21):
I don't mean to get personal, but he really is
the guy's of buffoon. I mean when he got picked,
remember going out on the stage there, waving his hands wildly.
It just didn't make any sense. Well, after the twenty
twenty two federal raids, this mister glan that we were
talking about before, again, this is right from Janisi's story,

(12:43):
last week's story, not the new one. After the twenty
twenty two federal raids, mister GLn looked back at earlier scandals.
He believes they set the stage for the schemes that
eventually emerged. The scope is now so over overwhelming that
federal prosecutors admit, listen to this, folks, listen to this.

(13:06):
They admit that they lack the manpower to charge everyone involved.
Let me give it to you again, federal prosecutors, and
let me tell you something. People, those offices are well funded.
Federal prosecutors admit they lack the manpower to charge everyone involved.

(13:29):
That is inexcusable. If you don't have the manpower in
the federal realm, you can get it. But I have
never seen a situation where any prosecutor at any level says, hey,
you know, it's so overwhelming, we don't have the manpower
to charge these people. So you know we're gonna have

(13:51):
to turn a blind eye to that unbelievable.

Speaker 2 (13:55):
Well, it goes on. Just a couple more sentences here
from Genesis.

Speaker 1 (13:59):
Report over the federal childcare assistance program being vulnerable to
fraud date back to two thousand and nine. Two thousand
and nine, that's according to a twenty nineteen two nine
twenty nineteen Minnesota report. So they had an idea specific

(14:19):
concerns about Somali run childcare programs in Minnesota exploiting those
weaknesses surfaced around twenty and sixteen.

Speaker 2 (14:28):
Mister Clown said.

Speaker 1 (14:30):
By twenty eighteen, a Minnesota whistleblower and some media organizations
were reporting that up to one hundred million dollars was
being stolen via fraudulent childcare billing. Those reports also alleged
the stolen money was funding terrorist organizations in Somalia. I

(14:53):
don't know, maybe you agree with me, maybe you don't,
but this is unbelievable. I've seen government ways, you know,
you hear the stories about the five hundred dollars hammers
and all that kind of stuff. This is just the
amounts involved in the fact that in mister grond who
janis interviewed Forget who he's with, but he's a respected guy.

(15:16):
He said he's one hundred percent sure it went to
these groups.

Speaker 2 (15:20):
It boggles the mind.

Speaker 1 (15:23):
You know you talk about affordability, Yes, of course it's important.
How about the word accountability. Somebody has to be held
accountable for this. You know, Waltz is in his almost
finished with his I believe, second term, running for a
third term. You don't think that guy knew anything about it.

(15:46):
There's just no way he didn't. We have to have
accountability for this and to that end, James Comer of
the Congress Republican Congress, head of the Oversight Committee, he's
already all over it. But you know what he and
that committee, we're all over the Biden crime family. You know,
the stuff in millions of dollars into a bank account,

(16:09):
washing it twenty times over and nothing happened. And I'm
not blaming mister Comer, but something has to happen on
this one. Again just based upon sheer numbers. Anyway, That's
what I think you are going to be hearing more
about this story on this show, at least, I promise you,
I don't give a damn if they call me a

(16:30):
racist or islamophlobic.

Speaker 2 (16:34):
I'm going to talk about it again.

Speaker 1 (16:36):
At eleven o'clock we're gonna be hearing from Janis Heisel
of the Epoch Times, who I believe that apparently Newt
Gingrich believes is the reporter that's got the best handle
on this story. And that's a big deal, it really is.
But at any rate, I want to know what you think.
Of course, seven four nine, seven thousand, one, eight hundred,

(16:56):
The big one are the numbers. Mike Allen Saturday Midday
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people know too. From eleven thirty to noon open lines.
So if you did not get through this time, try
eleven thirty.

Speaker 2 (17:14):
Just one thing. I promise I'll get to the phones.

Speaker 1 (17:17):
This article in Yahoo about the media coverage is really good.

Speaker 2 (17:22):
Okay. I just want to read a quote here from
the Governor Tim Walls. I will note he's really.

Speaker 1 (17:31):
Worried about saying this every time. I will note it's
not just some allions. Minnesota is a generous state. Minnesota
is a prosperous state, a well run state. We're triple
A bond rated. But that attracts criminals. Those people are
going to jail. We're doing everything we can, but to
demonize an entire community on the actions of a few,

(17:55):
it's lazy. Well, let me point out a couple of things, Governor.
It ain't the actions of a few. This is overwhelmingly
run by the graft, by some allions. And you know what,
there's not a darn thing wrong about pointing that out,
you know. And the other thing he says, they they're

(18:16):
going to attract criminals because they're triple A bond rated.
You know, I've been in the criminal justice system for
more years than I care to even know.

Speaker 2 (18:25):
I've never heard of that. I don't think they're way
up on the municipal bond situation. The guy is just delusional,
he really is. And that's the dude that's number one
who has to be held accountable. Anyway, enough of me,
let's talk to Melanie. Hey, Good morning, Melanie.

Speaker 5 (18:44):
Good morning, Mike Allen. Thanks for taking my call. I'm
really really super shy. So okay, this is the time
I've called WLW in the past two weeks because you're
my new favorite radio stations.

Speaker 2 (18:56):
Ah, thank you, that's great, thank you. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (19:00):
Well, I just wanted to say resarting Omar. I actually,
back in twenty sixteen was just having an awakening and
getting away from leftist stuff. But I was friends online
and on the telephone with her digital campaign manager, and
he's a really nice guy. They're nice people. I think
they're just misdirected like I was. They're getting a lot

(19:20):
of people into socialism with a saying it goes that
all socialism is is the radical idea of sharing.

Speaker 1 (19:30):
I heard that. I heard that this week. You know what,
that ain't gonna fly, but you know, let him say it.

Speaker 5 (19:36):
Yeah. And as far as like the racial stuff goes,
I mean, they're really coming down on white people. And
I just wanted to read a quote took Okay, all right.
The quote is, it is in the Jewish interest, It
is in humanity's interest that white's experience a genocide until

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white children are burned alive, white women rape mutilated, murdered,
and all white men who have not been slaughtered watch
powerlessly as their people are terrorized. Only then will mankind
be on a more equal footing, ready to discuss white
privilege and the apparent ship on the soldiers that minorities have.

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And that was Ishmael Lovitz.

Speaker 2 (20:21):
Who is that person?

Speaker 6 (20:22):
Is he?

Speaker 5 (20:22):
Abbi?

Speaker 2 (20:25):
Okay? A rabbi said that.

Speaker 5 (20:28):
Yeah, a rabbi said that. And then Ariel Sharone declared
in two thousand and one, we the Jewish people control
America and the Americans know it.

Speaker 2 (20:39):
Well, I don't know, you're not anti Semitic, are you, Melanie.
I'm not.

Speaker 5 (20:46):
I'm actually Jewish. I actually assimilated though and became a Christian.

Speaker 1 (20:50):
Yeah, you know what, And I appreciate your calling, but
I don't know how can a Jewish a person feel
that way in a rabbi.

Speaker 2 (20:58):
I don't understand that I lost her. Darn it. I
don't get it.

Speaker 1 (21:03):
I mean she said she's Jewish. You know she's quoting
whoever the hell she was quoting a rabbi. I don't
get it. I wouldn't break my heart if she doesn't.

Speaker 2 (21:13):
Call back again.

Speaker 1 (21:14):
How about Fred in Saint Petersburg, Man, I wish I
was there, Hey, Fred, how you doing.

Speaker 7 (21:20):
I'm doing great?

Speaker 6 (21:21):
Mike.

Speaker 7 (21:22):
Yeah, that woman she I don't think she was on
a straight and narrow now, you know what I mean.

Speaker 8 (21:28):
Anyway, I've actually been following this for four or five years.
I subscribed to a podcast that's out of St. Paul, Minneapolis,
and they've been talking about this before.

Speaker 7 (21:38):
It's got to be four or five years.

Speaker 9 (21:40):
Anyway.

Speaker 7 (21:41):
My point, they are so bold as to they actually
had a woman come from Seattle with.

Speaker 8 (21:48):
One hundred thousand dollars cash in a bag. This guy
was about to go on trial. She went to one
of the juror's house with that bag of money. The juror, Yeah,
I swear you're turned her in. I think she's in jail.

Speaker 7 (22:04):
I wish I could remember the names, you know, I
can't pronounce any of these names.

Speaker 8 (22:08):
But anyway, and there's also a list the whistleful or
turned into a list or somebody did seventy nine people
that are investigate being investigated or about to be arrested
or whatever.

Speaker 7 (22:23):
There's only one name on that whole list that you
or I could pronounce.

Speaker 8 (22:27):
So yeah, Walls is saying, well, you know, we can't discriminate. Okay,
I get it, fine, but you know the famous last
words is.

Speaker 7 (22:39):
They're not all crooks.

Speaker 1 (22:41):
Well, you know, in your example, it sounds like about
ninety five percent. Or you know what if one group
I don't care who they are, white people, Jewish people,
Camplic people, whatever, are predominant a in a scam, by god,
it's okay to say that, and nobody's going to tell

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me differently.

Speaker 6 (23:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (23:03):
Well, another thing I forgot today.

Speaker 8 (23:06):
Early on, there's a guy got arrested for doing this,
and his lawyer talked one of Ellison's guys into actually
letting him go back to some molly and take care
of some loose ends. He bought a motel and a
bunch of land, and of course he never came back, right,
But that was early on, and I guarantee you you know,

(23:28):
Harris didn't pick Walls just because he's a great he'll
be a great vice president. I guarantee you this money
was being funneled somehow to the Democratic Party.

Speaker 1 (23:41):
Well, I mean, it's just not only that she didn't
want to risk losing Minnesota so that a small group
of people really chose some believe her running mate Josh
Shapiro was so heads and shoulders above her as a
VP pick, and now she's trashing and he's trashing her

(24:02):
right back.

Speaker 2 (24:04):
It's just it's a debacle, is what it is.

Speaker 1 (24:06):
But you know that that woman that called we don't
do anti semitism on this show, we just don't.

Speaker 7 (24:12):
She was a plan. Yes, you know, she knew what
she was doing.

Speaker 8 (24:17):
Another thing on Shapeiro, you know he probably didn't want
to do it anyway, right, he was smart and not
doing it.

Speaker 1 (24:24):
Oh yeah, he would have gone down the crapper. I mean, yeah,
I guess we'll have to see. But I really appreciate
the call for it.

Speaker 2 (24:30):
I got a lot.

Speaker 1 (24:32):
Okay, thank you. Uh let's talk to Eric in Cincinnati.
Hey Eric, how you doing.

Speaker 9 (24:39):
Hey, Mike, really.

Speaker 10 (24:40):
Good, Thank you appreciate you taking my call.

Speaker 2 (24:42):
Okay, uh uh.

Speaker 10 (24:46):
Kind of a two part thing. Here today. You know,
when we talk about state or local grift of government,
how about we look at Aftet pure Bal having his
carnwreath assess last year.

Speaker 2 (24:56):
Yeah, I saw.

Speaker 7 (24:56):
That, what kind of.

Speaker 4 (24:59):
One of more on who who would vote for.

Speaker 10 (25:00):
An idiot like this?

Speaker 1 (25:02):
Well it didn't come out during the election. I don't know,
Maybe somebody was sitting on it. I don't know. You know,
I'd rather criticize him for his policies. But that's not
a good thing for an elected official to have, you know,
being out.

Speaker 6 (25:17):
There a.

Speaker 10 (25:20):
Complete irresponsibility, and how is he managing the city's budget.
But on a secondary note, I mean, how easy is
it for government drift and corruption and leaky dollars to
go out when and I'm sorry to hear I didn't
didn't know about your grandniece, but autism. It seems to
me that there is way too much leakage of money

(25:44):
coming out of autism. Really and and I'll give you
two examples. And and I wanted to make sure I
came with some with some examples. And I know it
might be a little bit of a of a contentious claim,
but I watched a podcast recently, uh called trigger Nometry,
and they had quote the world's leading expert on autism, uh,

(26:07):
doctor Simon Baron Cohen. And when they the first question
they asked is what is autism. When you don't get
a straight answer right away as to what it actually is,
it certainly makes you a little suspect. But then you
also go and look at the Trump administration and uh,

(26:28):
mister Kennedy are trying to find out the causes of autism.
There have been advocacy groups that have said, and this
is from The Guardian from October of this year, so
they're less concerned about what's causing autism as they are
about funding advocacy programs and helping people to live with autism.
I mean that that sounds completely bizarre, Mike.

Speaker 2 (26:50):
Can you imagine it?

Speaker 3 (26:52):
Does?

Speaker 10 (26:53):
I imagine the uh, the Dough.

Speaker 1 (26:54):
I'm sorry, the Dough ought to be going to research
into causes of it. I know exactly what you're talking about. Frankly,
I haven't followed it that closely, but there's a lot
of talk out there about it. But yeah, I mean,
try to find a cure first and then we'll worry
about the other thing.

Speaker 6 (27:10):
Absolutely.

Speaker 10 (27:11):
I mean, could you imagine the Susan Coleman breast cancer research,
people saying, well, we're not sorried about what's causing it
as we are to getting money to people who are
suffering from it. Yeah, it just seems completely bizarre and
ripe for government corruptions. So I appreciate you, Mike. I
love your show. You are appointment Radio every Saturday.

Speaker 2 (27:33):
I thank you, Eric, thank you so much for that.
I appreciate that. Yeah, I mean, fund it the research
for the cause.

Speaker 1 (27:42):
And I don't know much about autism. Perhaps I should
know more, and I'm going to educate myself, but my god,
it seems like there's a lot of it. There are
some that speculate it's something that we're doing food supply
or something like that. I have no idea, but it's
important to find out if we can. Let's see who
is next. I want to be fair. How about William? Hey, William,

(28:07):
how you doing?

Speaker 2 (28:08):
Man?

Speaker 6 (28:09):
All right? Good?

Speaker 11 (28:12):
Why is it that we can always find a cause
and generate a sense of or a method to fund
these plans, but never audit them along the way.

Speaker 1 (28:25):
Well, that needs to happen. It's hard to fathom, it
really is, William. It's hard to fathom that this situation
out there in Minnesota wasn't audited.

Speaker 2 (28:36):
You're right, that's exactly what has to happen.

Speaker 1 (28:38):
And you know my government experience when I worked for
the government, not that much and not at that high
highest levels.

Speaker 2 (28:47):
I know they did audit these people from time to time.

Speaker 11 (28:52):
Well, I have a relative, my daughter, who works for
a school system, and the whole purpose of her job,
this whole purpose is to make sure the monies.

Speaker 6 (29:03):
Are going where they're supposed to go. Yep and white.

Speaker 11 (29:06):
We can't do that with the government. I'll never understand.

Speaker 2 (29:10):
I don't enter it.

Speaker 11 (29:12):
Yeah, so that's all I have.

Speaker 1 (29:14):
Okay, I appreciate the call, Thank you very much. Yeah,
you know you're going to use government money. You ought
to be accountable or answerable to someone, whether it's a controller,
an auditor, or whatever. How in the heck people can
steal at a minimum a billion bucks from the government

(29:35):
and seemingly get away with it. Now I know Tampon
tim says, well, we've got some going to jail and
even more are Well where were you?

Speaker 6 (29:44):
You know?

Speaker 1 (29:45):
I just read the report that I think it was
Janis's reporting that people knew about this or had an
idea two thousand and nine twenty and sixteen. How can
it go on? Then again, this is just the tip
of the iceberg. Hey, we got time for one more quickie?
How about Rob?

Speaker 6 (30:06):
Hey?

Speaker 2 (30:06):
Rob?

Speaker 6 (30:07):
Canm I tell you today?

Speaker 2 (30:08):
I'm good? Got about two and a half minutes.

Speaker 12 (30:13):
Wasn't the first time on a repo issue with mister
pure evil. I don't understand that he's making money. His wife,
Epitheen's in the medical profession as a doctor, so someone
needs to look at the finances there. Secondly, who is
the attorney that's representing the protesters and rioters that are
getting eight plus million dollars? Can you name the firm

(30:34):
or can you name the legal representative who's going to
cash in on about thirty forty percent of that money
that we're going to reward these clowns that tore up
the city, spit on through whatever, steel balls, pieces of concrete, rocks,
that everything at. The police officers, their hands have been tied.

(30:55):
And as far as accountability of the last comment a
few years back, the city council folks, they were totally
preserve evidence.

Speaker 9 (31:02):
Preserve evidence.

Speaker 6 (31:03):
Yeah, welth of them didn't.

Speaker 9 (31:05):
Nothing happened to them, Mike, There's no accountability locally, on
the state, on the federal level, it's almost like the
people the dog chasing the tail. Yeah, there's no accountability
anywhere unless you're on the other side.

Speaker 1 (31:18):
With common sense exactly exactly, And I'm gonna answer your concerns.
I appreciate the call. We're bumping up against the news,
but you bring up a lot of good things. I
did read a couple of stories. Fox nineteen story and
the Inquire's story about that situation with respect to the
money that these protesters are going to get makes me
want to vomit too. I didn't recognize I take that back.

(31:42):
One of the lawyers I think was al Gerhardstein. I
gotta say I was a very very good lawyer. These
are the kind of cases he takes. Once a lawyer
accepts the case, I mean, you gotta do what you
gotta do for your client.

Speaker 6 (31:58):
You know.

Speaker 1 (31:58):
The onus I don't think is on the turn The
onus is on the city. I mean, you know, they
rack up the city for what was an eight million,
and then you got Chief Fiji. They're gonna have to
back up the brinks truck to city Hall to settle
with her and the fire chief as well. It's just negligence.
And again, if you live in the city and pay

(32:19):
the earnings tax, I don't anymore. Thank god, it's your money. Anyway,
we have to take a break, but when we get back,
we are going to talk to the aforementioned Christopher Smith.
We am talked to him in a while. Mike Allen's
seven hundred WLW.

Speaker 6 (32:35):
Sexting rules are recurring. What it takes a marketing messages specs,
a frequency, various message data reachs me.

Speaker 1 (32:38):
A plug of Saturday midday. Well, I tell you what
we talked a little bit about it. Someone tells me
we're gonna be talking about this for a while. Eight
million dollars settlement that if you live in the city
or work in the city, it's your earnings tax money
you're paying for it. And that's on top of what
I know they're going to end up pay and Chief Thiji,

(33:01):
and I believe that the fire chief got a pretty
good settlement too. Here to talk about that and other
issues is Christopher Schmidman. Christopher, thanks for joining.

Speaker 4 (33:11):
Us, Hey, thank you so much for having me on.

Speaker 6 (33:14):
Mike.

Speaker 4 (33:16):
I am just as shocked as you are on a
number of fronts, you know, because you're hearing. You know,
the city is issuing judgment bonds, which means we don't
have the money to pay, so we're issuing debt. The
public has to digest that. We know that the interest
rates aren't the way they used to be ten fifteen
years ago. They're not two point five percent or twenty

(33:39):
years ago when they issued ninety four million dollars of
debt for the street car. So this is probably you know,
in the seven sixty seven percent on on ten million,
because we're giving the lawyers two million, So this is
a ten million dollar settlement. And think about for the
public here. Because I was the vice mayor serving with

(34:02):
John Cranley, so I'm not running away from any of this.
We had people, We had people in downtown who were
setting fires, breaking into businesses surrounding our uh, surrounding city Hall.
We had swat down there, we had the police, and
the amount of overtime that we were spending in order

(34:25):
to keep the businesses and the core of our city
together was just an extraordinary time. And so to wake
up and here we're giving ten million dollars, not eight
point one because the lawyers are going to get a
couple of million dollars and were issue judgment bonds. You
and I know, and you just said it. The taxpayers

(34:46):
are paying this bill. What could the mayor have done differently?

Speaker 2 (34:52):
I thought he handled it very well.

Speaker 4 (34:56):
But I'm saying, no, John handled it well. I'm saying,
what could this mayor has done? Which is saying, let's
go to trial. I want to try. I want a
jury to come out and say in southern Ohio we
owe ten million dollars to people who are breaking the
law in downtown. Let's let's put everybody on trial and

(35:17):
let's let them decide what this settlement is.

Speaker 6 (35:21):
Like.

Speaker 4 (35:21):
That's what That's what's so frustrating for me. Like, I'm
just tired of it, man, I'm tired of all the
race baiting, all of this, you know. I'm you know, reparations.
I need this and I need that. This is time
for people to work, handle their business, do what you
need to do, raise your families, pay your child support,

(35:43):
you know, do what you're supposed to do in this
world to make the world better. There was no reason,
Like a peaceful protest is one thing, right, but that
is not what we were experiencing in downtown. We were
not experiencing peaceful protests. Now, were there people down there
who were being peaceful? Yes, among the chaos, right, but

(36:06):
there's enough video out there for anybody to see what
was happening downtown wasn't peaceful? Mike Allen, what does this
mean to our cops going forward when we have the
next situation? Right, they're talking about we're going to put
together my policies. That don't mean what do you mean? Right?
What do you mean You're saying that when they're riots

(36:28):
in your city, you can't quell them. Well, that's the
way to bring law in order. That's back to our city.

Speaker 1 (36:35):
That's the way it's trending, Christopher, not only in this city,
in other cities too. I mean, he had the situation
on the bridge where I guess that Covington police officer
is in a jam on that. You know what, I
never participated, from a cop perspective, in a riot, But
you know, you can't be genteel about everything. One thing

(36:57):
I want to do here, Christopher, if you would indulge me,
I want to read it's a very short statement from
FOP president Ken Kober. Wanted to try to get him today,
but I wasn't able to do it. I'm gonna try
to get him on next Saturday.

Speaker 2 (37:10):
Anyway.

Speaker 1 (37:11):
Here's his statement, the FOP president, the city asked our
officers to enforce the curfew they imposed by arresting individuals
causing chaos and destruction during the riots of twenty twenty.
This is the importance, I think a very good part
out of ideological persuasions. The law Department dismissed hundreds of charges,

(37:31):
hundreds of charges and brought a multi million dollar civil
suit against the good people of Cincinnati.

Speaker 2 (37:38):
And he's right.

Speaker 1 (37:38):
The Muni Court judges on Moss dismissed this stuff.

Speaker 2 (37:43):
I don't know why.

Speaker 4 (37:46):
Here's what I will say to you. I'm thinking in
my mind that everybody going home and saying, hey, we're
just going to walk away from some of this stuff
was enough. I wasn't that. Now You've got the lawyers
who are now saying, you know, now what's going to

(38:06):
happen is we're going to sue you civilly, right, and
so now they're taking it. So the next time this happens, right,
everybody's going to have to rethink how they handle it,
including myself. Everybody's going to have to sit back and
go oh, there are lawyers out there that are that
aggressive that now will sue us, even though we're saying, hey,
everybody go back to their corners. We're gonna play knights

(38:28):
in the sandbox and try to move on because we
don't want more chaos in our communities than in our city.
So here's my bottom line. The only thing that has
happened today is taxpayers are paying this bill no matter
where you live. My mom's property taxes you know who,
she's a widow, are going higher. My property taxes on

(38:50):
my office, on my personal property in the city are
going higher. And all they're doing is forcing more and
more people to make the decision to move further in
the county, take their businesses in the county so they
don't have to pay that tax.

Speaker 6 (39:04):
Yep, that's all they're doing.

Speaker 4 (39:06):
You know, how is it cheaper per mileage for Indian
Hill than it is in the city of Cincinnati. We're
gonna have to start grappling with it's just getting too
expensive for people to function in our city. Mike Allen,
that's where we are. And then when you layer on
things like okay, now they're layering on the operation of
the streetcar or expanding the streetcar or the stadium deal.

(39:29):
It's not like this is a one off. It's like
there are a lot of things coming at us right,
and people are just saying, I can't afford it. I
cannot afford to live in the city of Cincinnati. And
the last thing I'll say as a financial planner, my
clients are moving to Florida, and they're moving to Texas
for a reason. Right. They're not just leaving the county, right,

(39:50):
They're moving completely out of the state, saying they're trying
to find places where taxes are reasonable, or they say
to me, at least I have a outline of what
the rules are and they're consistent.

Speaker 2 (40:04):
Yep. And you can tell you can see that happening.
I mean, uh. And it's a damn shame too, because
this city, I think has a lot to offer.

Speaker 1 (40:13):
I do have one more question on this, Christopher. Okay,
so this is what did you say. I know it
is eight point one, but it's closer to ten million.
The fire chief didn't the fire chief hit them up
hard on a settlement. I thought I read that, and
then you got yeah, I don't think.

Speaker 4 (40:29):
I don't I don't think. I don't think Chief Washington
has settled. I anticipate he's won the lawsuit. They have
now appealed it and the city lost and the judge
has said, you guys need to settle this case. You know,
I'm thinking three to five million dollars for the fire
chief Chief Washington, and I also think that Fiji Chief

(40:50):
Fiji is also going to get a significant settlements. There's
a fire chief, Chief Sherman who a lot of people
don't know, but know they fired him right after the
election saying that he was helping Chief Washington by sending
emails in his case and they fired him. I assume
he's also going to sue and over the next couple

(41:11):
of years he's gonna win too.

Speaker 6 (41:12):
This is just a.

Speaker 4 (41:13):
Debacle, But elections have consequences. Right our communities like bond Hill,
like Evingston, like Hyde Park, like Mount lookout right as examples,
even though they were doing these developments, said these are
the people that they want in charge, and I respect
their decision. Right am not here complaining about the decision.

(41:34):
They didn't select me, they didn't select a Liz Keating,
they didn't select Gooden as an example, they didn't select
Lakita Cole I respect what the voters have said, and
I stand down. But elections have consequences. If I were
the mayor, I never would have settled this case. We

(41:55):
would have had to go to trial, and I would
have put on the best litigation that we could because
the implications on our ability to quill future yet riot
in our downtown are going to be impaired. That is
a serious problem, and it undermines our police department, in
our in our city.

Speaker 2 (42:16):
It does. Let me move on here. I've been waiting
to ask you this. I want to get your reaction
to what happened, what is happening because it's an ongoing
story in Minnesota with the unbelievable at least one billion
dollars graft and fraud that's going on out there. I mean,
you know, you were on city council.

Speaker 1 (42:36):
You know governments, you know how they spend money, and
you know the oversight or lack of saying.

Speaker 2 (42:42):
What are your thoughts on that? Christopher? I can't believe
somebody didn't catch that, But anyway, what do you think?

Speaker 4 (42:49):
Well, clearly, you know this racial environment that we're living
in has unfortunately people not looking close. I think that
was a part of the problem. Yeah, the Somali community,
and this is the result of it. I just look
at my own business, you know, as a financial planner,
I'm annually audited. I'm deeply audited every three years. They

(43:13):
look through my financial records for a reason, right, because
they don't want a financial planner or a stockbroker impaired,
because it raises the risk that I might go into
a client's account number one, or a client might be
trying to loan me money, or I might be involved
in something that's horrible. So I'm saying, not only are
we talking about what's happening in this case, we're talking

(43:34):
about what's happening at city Hall with the mayor having
his cars repot. It's all the same. It's corruption. And
what we're going to find is, remember every year, Mike Allen,
you haven't been an elected official. We have to file
an ethics report. We have to disclose what our debts are.
Have we filed bankruptcy? You know, what are our assets?

(43:56):
Where are we investing our money. Somebody's going to go
back and look and see what Mayor pure Val has
been putting down on those financial records to the state,
because it's possible that he was not disclosing that he
was having financial problems. The reason this is such a
big deal to me is a politician who is financially impaired.

(44:19):
It raises the probability of bribery. It raises the probability
on the margin that someone can influence you in a
different way because you need that job or you need
those resources. So that's why we fill out those financial
reports so everybody can understand where we're having conflicts of interest.
This is a conflict of interest for the mayor. It's

(44:40):
a conflict of interest for the governor that we're talking
about with the Somali situation, and it breeds corruption because
you have a government that was really just turning their
heads during COVID, handing out millions and millions, and it
was a billion dollars that we absolutely lost track of
at the end of the day. Somebody should go to jail.

(45:01):
It doesn't matter who they are. This should be nonpartisan.
Mike Allen, Oh, it has nothing to do with Democrat
or Republican, whoever is involved with this situation. Everybody should
be held account and everybody should go to jail. Period.
If anything less happens, our country is on fire. Wrong
with us.

Speaker 1 (45:21):
I mean, come on, a billion dollars And again, I
don't know if you saw it, Christopher that one of
the whistleblowers said that he thought it could get up
to eight billion under the nose of the governor and
the attorney general of the state of Minnesota.

Speaker 2 (45:36):
Yeah, I've been around a while.

Speaker 1 (45:37):
It clearly just boggles my mind just the dimensions of it.

Speaker 4 (45:44):
Think about this was a guy that was literally one
step from the White House. That's right, Governor right, he
was running for vice president of the United States of America,
and he's involved right now in the biggest fraud case
in the history of our country as it relates to
dollars coming from the government through COVID going directly to

(46:07):
a state. This is an amazing thing. And most likely
people knew about this and did not disclose it right
during the election. Meaning what is happening with our current
mayor with the disclosure of multiple cars being repolled, Meaning
he's really not being truthful. Mike Allen, most likely, as

(46:27):
a financial planner, when you're having this kind of problem,
you have cash flow issues. This is most likely impacting
his home, is most likely impacting credit card debt is
most likely impacting his cars and any other investment he has.
Our mayor is financially impaired, and there should be a
full investigation into it. What I'm saying here is that

(46:49):
most likely you had a government that covered up the
fact that the vice president of the guy running for
vice president was having this kind of issue in a state.
I believe the same thing with local a year we
just came out of an election. Clearly they found that
Corey Bowman, they put this stupid story in the paper
that he hadn't paid some taxes that he actually had paid.

(47:11):
This is a situation where the mayor's car was repulled
right in front of city Hall, meaning his car was
taken at parked outside our government, the core of our city.
And it didn't even come up during the campaign. Yeah,
this is the laziness of the media, brother, Oh laziness.

Speaker 2 (47:28):
Yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 1 (47:29):
I mean not only on a state level, some not
a lot on the local level. We only got about
two more moneys. What I can't understand is Kamala Harris.
Why would she have signed off on him if she
and she had to know something about this when she
had I know why she didn't pick Josh Shapiro because

(47:49):
she'd honk off the anti Semitic base of her party.
But I just don't understand. But there's so much about
her I don't understand.

Speaker 4 (47:57):
I guess well answered the question right. First of all,
it was ego, meaning Kamala Harris did not want to
select somebody who she thought would be bigger than her.
This is important. Her personality would not There's some people
that can't have smart people around them, right, So part

(48:17):
of it with it. Shapiro should have been the natural
selection for her. He was the strongest candidate coming out
of Pennsylvania, out of the miss Midwest, and ultimately she lost.
It was she one of the reasons she lost that
election because Governor Shapiro would have been doing a great
job in Indiana, contucture in pa in Ohio. Right, but

(48:40):
her anti Semitic behavior. I can't pick him because he's Jewish,
because of what is happening between Israel and Hamas, I
can't pick a Jewish person for my ticket. This is
what the Democratic ticket was really wrestling with.

Speaker 6 (48:56):
So they did.

Speaker 4 (48:56):
And by the way, she was more competent, a much
better speaker.

Speaker 2 (49:00):
Oh yeah, he has a.

Speaker 4 (49:02):
State that's on the ball. If he runs for president
in the next three years, he's going to give the
Republicans a run for their money coming out of coming
out of Pennsylvania. But the reason she didn't do the
selection is simple. It was her ego. She can't. She
wants a weak person in the position she has that
kind of anybody's had a boss that they feel like,
you know, like they want you to tell them every

(49:24):
second thing that's going on around you. Notice that how
her employee don't like working for her. She's a very
difficult person to work with. That is why she selected
the guy she selected. She wanted somebody week that wouldn't
outshine her.

Speaker 1 (49:39):
Yep, all right, my friend, we're out of time, but
I really appreciate our chats and we will definitely do
it again.

Speaker 4 (49:46):
And Mike Allen, people can follow me at votes Smitherman
on social media on x It's a great way for
people to get updates between now and the next time
you invite me on on a Saturday.

Speaker 1 (49:56):
Okay, okay, thank you, all right. Chris First Smithman still
very very relevant on the local political scene here. And
I don't know speaking for a lot of people, I know,
I hope he gives it a shot again at some point.

Speaker 2 (50:12):
Hey, we got to take a break.

Speaker 1 (50:13):
But when we get back, we're going to talk to
Steve Gooden about the legal issues surrounding this situation in
Minnesota and some other legal issues as well. We'll get
into the political stuff with him too, but mainly legal.
We'll do that when we get back. Mike Allen, Saturday
Midday seven, Honor WLW. Mike Allen, Saturday midday. I'll tell

(50:35):
you what we just can't seem to get rid of
the Jeffrey Epstein issue. You might have seen it. A
federal judge in Florida ordered to the release of grand
jury transcripts, which is really unusual from the mid two
thousands investigation into Epstein, and the Justice Department has, according
to AI, till December nineteenth to do that. I saw

(50:59):
one account said December seventeenth. Here to talk about that
in many other things is attorney Steve Gooden. Steve is
a partner at Porter Wright and he's got a lot
of experience along these lines.

Speaker 2 (51:12):
Steve, thanks for calling in anytime. Mike, good morning, Good morning.

Speaker 1 (51:18):
You know you know you heard what I just said, Steve,
and I think you would agree. Extremely unusual for a
judge to order a release of grand jury testimony. Your
thoughts on that as to why and what the effect.

Speaker 6 (51:33):
Will be, Well, you know, I mean long term, it's
really hard to say what the effect will be. You know.
We I think now the public knows generally what has
been alleged. You know, I'll be very surprised if there
are any real bombshells there. But you're absolutely right. I mean,
as you know, you know from your day's prosecuting and
prosecuting cases, the grand jury is supposed to be absolutely

(51:56):
and totally Yeah, I mean, the idea is to you know,
there are times times, I know, the joke is always
among lawyers that a grand jury will and die to
ham Sandwich, but I've seen it, and there are other
times when you go in there, the grand jury has questions,
the prosecutor develops doubts about the case, and you have
to have secrecy at the grand jury level because you
may decide and they may decide not to indict the individual.

(52:19):
So you're trying to protect the reputations of people who
are particularly potentially innocent, and you want the victims to
be able to talk about what happened in a very
safe place. So the idea that you know that judges
very rarely unsealed the testimony grand jury if there is
a jury trial, typically the judges will unseal small portions

(52:39):
if a witness actually had talked to the grand jury
is going to testify again at trial. But it's just
one of those third rails in the American legal system
when it comes to criminal law, you just don't do
it without a great reason. But this just goes to
show that when the public demands things and politics come
into play, sometimes anymore, the rules go out the door.

(53:01):
So I'm very curious as to why the judge's order
really doesn't delve into it in any meaningful way. But
the case is closed. I believe you know, the grand
jury testimony that was there, much of it was never
actually used in the ultimate case against mister Epstein. So
what good this does? What the you know, what the
overwriting public purpose of this is. I don't know. I'll

(53:25):
be a little bit surprised if we don't see some
fighting back from the Justice Department, but we'll see. But
that you know, this is not again, not really a
good day. I, like everyone else, would would like to
know more about how this deal was cut. There's no
question that Epstein got a sweetheart deal. Maybe the reason
why he got a sweetheart deal can be found, or
maybe there might be some something elucidating in those transcripts

(53:48):
where we learned that either there were issues with the victims,
or some of the victims didn't want to go forward,
or their stories didn't match up, or whatever the case
may be. It's all speculation at this point. But this
is a very unusual and kind of strange day for
our system.

Speaker 1 (54:02):
Yeah, but if it puts Epstein behind us, I'm all
for it. And you know what, from a political perspective,
Steve Gooden, I mean, if there were anything that was
that harmful to Trump, don't you think we would have
known about it already.

Speaker 6 (54:17):
Look, I will be you know, like lover hate Donald Trump.
I mean, there has never been anything credible that has
come out that he knew about the details of this
or well or at least participated. I mean, they're those
photos which are terrible. It's clearly new and the clear
it's clear that Trump ran in those social circles. But
you know, Epstein had a way of insinuating himself with

(54:37):
rich and powerful people. That's what he did. I mean,
you know, he was clearly very close to folks like
you know, Bill Gates. I think you know, his relationship
with him, you know, it led to the demise of
his marriage to Melinda Gates and the splitting of their
huge fortune. I mean, he was very close to Bill
Clinton famously had that picture of Bill Clinton wearing that
Monica Almsky's blue dress and his entry way of his apartment.

(55:00):
He was. He just ran in those circles. So I've
never really seen anything lover hate Trump that really connected
him to any criminal wrongdoing here. And if there's something,
if he came, the likelihood of him coming up in
these twenty seven year old grand jury transcripts, which I
seemed to from what I understand, focused primarily on Epstein's
activities in Florida and on his island nearby. You know,

(55:23):
I think that's that's a stretch, and maybe, you know,
maybe the Justice Department will be just to soon have
them come out to kind of clear that up. But again,
these are these folks, particularly some of these younger women
who testified before that grand jury, did so with the
promise that this was going to be secret, that it
was not going to be made public and whatever stories
they told, and I presume, we presume it's going to

(55:44):
be mostly you know, young victims. He testified before the
grand jury. You know they did so, you know, in
this sense that that was a safe place and they
could tell their stories. So I think it's kind of
a terrible thing, all these years later for it to
come out, unless you know, there's some you know, incredibly
compelling reason that none of us know about.

Speaker 4 (56:00):
Here.

Speaker 1 (56:01):
Yeah, you know what, And I'm looking forward to just
from a curiosity standpoint, what's in there. But I'm glad
it's finally going away. Hey, let me switch gears out.
And you're the perfect person to talk about this. You
were on city council, you're an attorney. You know how
things go. I wake up this morning two stories. Cincinnati

(56:21):
reaches eight million dollar settlement after hundreds of protestss arrested
during George Floyd protests. Were you surprised to see that, Steve,
I don't think that happened on your watch on council,
or maybe it did, did it?

Speaker 6 (56:35):
Oh? Well, god, no, no, no, you know I did
live that. I was actually in the process of being
appointed to council when the okay, when the protests were occurring.
I was actually still living downtown and very much lived
those protests, and let me tell you, they were not peaceful.
That's one of the main reasons I moved from downtown.
At the time. I was living downtown with my eight
year old son down on Fourth Street because I had

(56:56):
two offices here that I was helping manage and deal with.
And I'll tell you it was. You know, the protests
began peaceful, but when you hear glass breaking at three
in the morning, I don't think that's peaceful. And when
you see people destroying private property, it's not peaceful. And
what happened here was I have to give some credit
to former Mayor John Cranleigh. What he did was he

(57:18):
imposed it. And this is the heart of the case.
He imposed a curfew and said, look, you know you
can't you can't be out at three in the morning.
You can't be tearing up other people's property. That's not
actual protests, that's just rioting and stupidity. And he the
reason he put the curfew in place was and he
gave the officers, this team that he sent down the
right to arrest people for violating the curfew. So they

(57:40):
went and literally rounded up about four hundred of the
worst of these folks, and they didn't have a place
for them at the Justice center, so they basically cordoned
off and made kind of a pen basically and made
them all stand around over the over the course of
the night while they were processing them out. So the
heart of the lawsuit that they spoke. Four hundred some
people filed a class action lawsuit that the curfew was

(58:02):
an unconstitutional restraint on their protest. I guess that they
had a right to go throw rocks at three in
the morning, which I think is silly. And then number two,
the conditions at the jail were terrible too, So the
county threw in about six and sixty five thousand dollars.
The city is giving them an unconscionable and unbelievable eight
million dollars just split amongst them all. Two million of

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course go to the lawyers. Yeah, which is sick, you know,
so so and so on and and the and basically
the city is forcing the police department to put new
regulations in place about how to deal with protesters. But
you know, at the end of the day, Columbus, Uh,
it took them years to get over there George Floyd protests. Uh,

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because you know they I mean, I mean that their
downtown was kind of decimated. Our city was not. In
large part, I think the cause Cranley did stand up
and had the backbone to oppose the curfew and not
just impose it, but enforce it.

Speaker 2 (58:56):
Uh.

Speaker 6 (58:56):
And I think, you know, for the folks who actually
live downtown, have businesses downtown, at offices downtown, I think
they were all thankful that he did what he did,
and this is just a political effort to rewrite history.
It's disgusting. I would note that this settlement has clearly
been negotiated months before, but they waited to go after
the election to announce it. And you guys are gonna

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have to vote on it next week. I'll be very
curious if anybody of the nine council members, all of
whom were all but one of whom were re elected,
if any of them have the guts to at least
question this. This is a terrible thing. It sends a
terrible message. You know, you absolutely have a right to
protest in this country, but you don't have a right
to go tear up people's private property. And the absurdity

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of the idea that you could go break a window
in Cincinnati to address alleged policeman's conduct in Minneapolis. I mean,
it just doesn't even It makes no logical sense whatsoever.

Speaker 1 (59:50):
Yeah, I don't know who the litigators are in the
Solicitor's office anymore. Maybe they farmed this thing out, but
I don't know. Maybe they were afraid for some reason
to try the case. It defies all logic to me.
And I think I hear you saying the same thing
with respect to Mayor Cranley.

Speaker 2 (01:00:05):
I could not agree with you more.

Speaker 1 (01:00:07):
The enquire Of this morning just has a couple very
brief quotes from him. This is Mayor Cranley speaking that
curfew and our police department saved our city when other
cities were burning. And then everything I saw was of
the utmost professionalism and restraint, talking about the cops and
their actions saved our city. I want the record to

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show they did a great job. So I'm glad the mayor,
a former mayor, did that, because I don't know if
you saw it. Ken Gobert, FOP President, he ain't happy
about it.

Speaker 2 (01:00:38):
Don't blame him. I don't blame him.

Speaker 6 (01:00:40):
Well, he's decided himself and he should be because the
law department has sold out the FOP here basically, they're
basically a que The settlement buys the central argument that
the police officers acted unprofessionally, and there is zero evidence
that I have seen of that. In fact, I wish
that they had stepped in earlier. I mean, we were
three really tough nights down here with the so called protests.

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I mean the pro I looked there were legit protests
of normal people walking around and who were upset about it.
I get it, I understand it. I have a lot
of questions about what happened to George Floyd myself as
an attorney and a former prosecutor. I mean, there's clearly
things there that weren't good in the way that was
handled all the way around. But the protests that spilled

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over into the night time, that spilled over into vandalism
and property destruction and things of that nature. Thank God
they came in and stepped in, And if anything, they
should have stepped in earlier, because again I was right
down here at ground zero as it was occurring. And
again remember this was during COVID, which is one of
the great hypocrises of it all. When you know a
lot of the same folks that were saying you couldn't

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come upin six feet of someone, But it's okay if
it's about a political cause you care about. So it
was a weird, weird time, and I think people need
to remember that. And I don't think they're being fair here.

Speaker 2 (01:01:57):
No, I don't think so at all in it.

Speaker 1 (01:02:00):
It just and you couple that with I know the
fire chief is going to ring him up if who
was fired, if he didn't do that already, and Chief Thiji,
they're probably going to have to back a brinkstruck up
the city hall. She still doesn't know why she got
canned or suspendius.

Speaker 6 (01:02:19):
Well, yeah, the law department is not covering itself in
glory these days. I mean. Look, I mean, if you
look at any of the decisions in the case, former
Chief Washington is winning his case. And I won't It
would take me too long to get into the details
of this year, but I think he is. I think
he was railroaded. And my personal opinion from what I
know about the case, and obviously I know him a bit,
so I'm biased, but I think what occurred there was

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absolutely terrible. He just got on the wrong side of
these folks in terms of office politics and my personal opinion,
and they fired him and it's not going well for
them in court. They're going to have to deal with him.
And you're right, I mean, you know, chief chief, whether
I going to watch you think about the job she
ultimately did. You don't hang someone now publicly that way.

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And the idea that they're doing the investigation into why
they're firing her after they put her on leave and
essentially fire here. I mean, that's that's George orwell stuff.
You know, it's like, well, we'll get around to the
you're entitled to your due process, but first let's impose
the sanction. Then we'll give you some process on the
back end and hopefully we'll find something.

Speaker 2 (01:03:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:03:21):
So, I mean, it's a terrible way to run a city.
And you know, and it really again, it just demoralizes
the rank and file officers and firefighters as they watch
as shenanigans go on, and watch the people go through,
you know, thirty to forty year careers reach the pinnacle
of their of their profession and then just basically get
treated like garbage in public. It's a terrible, terrible thing

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for the rank and file.

Speaker 2 (01:03:43):
It really is.

Speaker 1 (01:03:44):
And a part of this settlement apparently is they're going
to receive more training on how to handle these situations.
You know what, they already know how to handle these situations.
I think they do an incredibly professional job. I was
right in the middle of the Timid Thomas.

Speaker 2 (01:04:00):
Riots back in the early Yes, you're thousands, and they did.
You know, they did a great job there.

Speaker 1 (01:04:07):
Sometimes if you're going to break up something, you know,
you got to you gotta use some force. And you know,
they talk about police reform, Steve and I'm rambling here.
We got about a minute. The police aren't the ones
that need to be reformed.

Speaker 2 (01:04:21):
I don't know. I guess that's just my us.

Speaker 6 (01:04:24):
No, not in this instance of you know, one thing
I want to throw out through the people have conveniently
forgotten that there was a police officer during the course
of the George Floyd riots in Cincinnati, Ohio who was
shot at and they got a bullet bounced off his helmet.
That's a story that people forget. I mean it, abu.
For the grace of God, that guy could have lost
his life from one of these quote unquote peaceful protesters.

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Someone disturbed the firearm and he was struck by the
firearm and thank god he had his keplar and bounced off.
So I mean, I mean, these guys were out there
at all hours trying to turn to put this down.
No protester that I seen was seriously injured or you know,
in the course of it. So they did a phenomenal job.
And the idea of the law department told him out
is sick of it.

Speaker 1 (01:05:05):
Yeah, you're right, and I'm glad Cranley backed them up. Hey,
we're out of time here, Steve. Always appreciate you coming on.

Speaker 6 (01:05:11):
Hey anytime, Mike, have a good Saturday, you too.

Speaker 2 (01:05:14):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:05:15):
Yeah, I tell you what, police reform, Police reform, police reform.
They don't need reforming. I mean, is it good that
you have training for police surprising? Heck, yeah, you can't
have too much training.

Speaker 2 (01:05:26):
But enough of this. Oh we need they need to reform.
That's just bull crap. And I think people are getting
tired of it. I know the FOP president is, And
by the way, I'm going to try to get him
on for next Saturday. Hey, we got to take a break.

Speaker 4 (01:05:40):
Butt.

Speaker 1 (01:05:40):
When we get back, we're gonna talk to Janis Heisel
she filed another story I think yesterday with the situation
in Minnesota. And I'll just say it again, she was
recognized by none other than the former Speaker of the House,
Nuke Gangritch for her reporting.

Speaker 2 (01:05:57):
We'll talk to Janis when we get back.

Speaker 1 (01:06:04):
This radio seven hundred WLW Mike Allen an hour three
of Saturday midday.

Speaker 2 (01:06:11):
Well, i'll tell you what. The story out.

Speaker 1 (01:06:14):
In Minnesota just keeps on coming. And the reporter who
was commended by none other than new Gingridge for her
reporting on that, she's got a new story out.

Speaker 2 (01:06:26):
We're going to ask her about it.

Speaker 1 (01:06:27):
I'm talking, of course about Jameis Heisel of the Epoch Times. Jamis,
how are you doing well?

Speaker 13 (01:06:34):
But cap dancer as fast as I can about Minnesota.

Speaker 1 (01:06:38):
I hear you, I hear you. You know, and you
did follow that story. It looks like on Wednesday police. Oh,
I'm going to get to that later. Oversight Committee probes
alleged cover up of massive Minnesota welfare fraud kind of
updates the story. Can you kind of run down what's
happened since we talked last?

Speaker 13 (01:06:57):
Yeah, So the House Oversight Committee, which is a fairly powerful,
you know, very powerful committee of Congress has now notified
both the governor and the Attorney General of Minnesota that
they are demanding some records, a lot of records to

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be handed over by December seventeenth, to try to get
to the bottom of how in the world was this
allowed to go on with so much fraud happening.

Speaker 5 (01:07:28):
Right under their.

Speaker 13 (01:07:28):
Noses, and especially because according to the letter sent by
the chair of that committee, James Comer, he's saying that
there are credible reports from whistleblowers alleging that they tried
to bring out the problems, just bring them to light,
and there was actually, they say, a cover up of it.

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They were telling they were telling these people in Congress
that you know and others that this has just been
ridiculu was with the amount of information that has been
held from the public. And also they're alleging that some
things were destroyed. I don't know what those things are allegedly,

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but that those are some of the allegations that the
Oversight Committee is trying to get to the bottom of. Now,
what my story does not cover are some additional developments. Okay,
so the Small Business Administration of the federal government has.

Speaker 14 (01:08:29):
Also launched its own investigation.

Speaker 13 (01:08:32):
And according to Kelly Lossler, who heads that department, they
found a million dollars within two days of fraud related
to pandemic relief through the Small Business Administration from Minnesota.

Speaker 14 (01:08:49):
And then in addition to that.

Speaker 13 (01:08:52):
The Medicaid I forget its exact title, but Mehmet Oz
who ran for Senate but is now the head of
the Medicaid Services for Department.

Speaker 14 (01:09:02):
I don't remember the exact name without looking, but he is.

Speaker 13 (01:09:06):
Also he's also put Governor Tim Walt on notice saying, look,
here are we are clamping down on restrictions of Medicaid
money coming to Minnesota. He commended the governor for putting
a halt on fourteen what they call at risk programs,
which I have mentioned in a previous story. But he's

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basically saying, look, if if we're not satisfied with what's
going on there, and we want you to check in
with us more frequently, we're going to be cutting off
Medicaid money to state.

Speaker 14 (01:09:36):
So it's coming.

Speaker 13 (01:09:37):
At Minnesota from multiple multiple fronts, and I am actually
going there to do some on the ground reporting.

Speaker 4 (01:09:44):
I've been speaking on.

Speaker 13 (01:09:45):
The phone with a lot of people, but you know,
there's nothing like being there, and so I'm going to
be there I don't know how many days on a
reporting trip to meet with some lawmakers, with some regular folks,
attend a city council meeting with that's expected to be
packed with immigrant advocates who are now trying to get
even more protections under that state's sanctuary sanctuary laws. And

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so there's just a lot going on right now and
the massive scale of this. You mentioned Newt Greenridge a
moment ago. He actually did a column that I think
was just released yesterday saying that he believes this could
turn out to be the largest fraud case in the
United States ever.

Speaker 1 (01:10:31):
You know what I don't know how it doesn't, janis
if what the whistleblowers are saying is even close to true.
I thought I heard one yesterday yesterday say he thought
it would go all the way up to six or
eight billion dollars. It has to be, and it goes
on underneath the nose of.

Speaker 2 (01:10:49):
These elected officials, especially the governor.

Speaker 1 (01:10:52):
It's just unreal. You know, one of your articles, janis
you're reporting. I thought I read that some notice of
this reached some responsible person as early as two thousand
and nine or twenty and sixteen, Am I accurately reporting that.

Speaker 13 (01:11:10):
Yes, that's correct.

Speaker 14 (01:11:11):
But one thing we need to keep in mind here.

Speaker 13 (01:11:13):
Is it's not just one.

Speaker 14 (01:11:15):
Type of fraud, right.

Speaker 13 (01:11:16):
There are multiple schemes involved here. And the one that
I think you're referring to that kind of raised alarm
bells among the employees of the Department of Human Services
there in Minnesota the welfare office was a childcare program
where allegedly these people were claiming to provide childcare for

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children who didn't exist, and so there were a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:11:40):
Of rats that time.

Speaker 13 (01:11:43):
Yeah, and all of that got kind of clamped down
because a lot of people cried racism.

Speaker 2 (01:11:48):
And there was even at least one lawsuit filed.

Speaker 13 (01:11:51):
And some courts have actually stepped in here. And in
the defense of himself, Keith Ellison did give an interview.

Speaker 14 (01:12:00):
He's the ePIE in general for Minnesota.

Speaker 13 (01:12:04):
He said, look, at the state level, we've actually prosecuted
several hundred people for medicaid fraud, and so in his view,
they're doing quite a bit to try to fight the fraud.
But that's not the view of the whistleblowers from what
I've been hearing. Yeah, I haven't spoken to any of them.

Speaker 2 (01:12:21):
Yet.

Speaker 13 (01:12:22):
But I have talked to whistleblower, to the lawmakers, a
couple of lawmakers who have had conversations with those people,
and naturally they're afraid to speak to you know, just
about anybody because they don't want to lose their jobs.
But they're still trying to do the right thing and
come forward.

Speaker 2 (01:12:37):
Well, and you're absolutely right about Keith Ellison. He is
the attorney general and it has been for a while
of that state. At what sticks in my crawl, janis
is it seems like, at least in the early stage
of this thing, he's kind of getting a pass. He's
quoted in one of your stories. I'm telling you as
an attorney general. Yeah, fraud happens, kind of offhanded remark.

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Then he says we should prosecute it. Yeah, hold people
accountable for their individual conduct, not for their ethnicity. And
we're doing that.

Speaker 1 (01:13:09):
It just I guess it seems like that is kind
of the default thing when somebody thinks they're in a
jam about this is Hey, wait a minute, you know
this is all racially motivated?

Speaker 2 (01:13:21):
Is that what your eye? Jadra? A little bit? But
is that kind of what you're finding?

Speaker 13 (01:13:26):
Well, I am hearing that a lot of the initial
reports and even later reports were kind of being shut
down because of fears of being labeled racist or things
like that.

Speaker 14 (01:13:40):
So that's kind of.

Speaker 13 (01:13:44):
There are several other theories out there about what could
really be fueling this, but that's probably the most prominent
one that I've been hearing.

Speaker 1 (01:13:52):
Well, you know what, when all else fails, trot that
one out. Hey, you also did a story this week
police will not cooperate with ICE agents, talking of course
about Minneapolis police. That comes from the Minneapolis mayor. Reading
this thing, it just makes me angry, it really does.
But what's the deal with that? If you could just
break it down for us, Well, you.

Speaker 13 (01:14:16):
Know, the city of Minneapolis is one of the sanctuary
cities that say that, you know, we won't coperate because
we are trying to protect the illegal immigrants field that
you know a lot of these people just start here
for speaking of better life, and we don't support the

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federal government's crackdown on this. And actually it's one of
a number of states and cities that are state cities
and counties that the Trump administration is suing in court
over the sanctuary policies. So we'll see how that shakes out.
But that's that's in essence, what's going on here is
they're kind of reiterating and doubling down on that is

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to you know, keep a separation, so to speak. And
as a matter of fact, that's going to be a
topic at a city council meeting coming up on Tuesday.

Speaker 14 (01:15:10):
That I am planning to attend.

Speaker 13 (01:15:12):
Yeah, where there the immigrant advocates are asking for even
more protections. They have a stronger ordinance in regard to
the sanctuary status. So that's something that I'm looking into
as well. On top of that, the mayor has also
issued what he says as an executive He called it

(01:15:32):
an executive order that they that no one is allowed
from the federal government to use city property to do
any immigration operations. Which I asked a legislator about that yesterday,
whether that was enforceable and like how what that would
look like? And I sent sought some comments from the

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you know, US Department of Homeland Security on this.

Speaker 14 (01:15:56):
I haven't heard back yet, but.

Speaker 13 (01:15:58):
The lawmaker I so to characterize that as posturing, and
he said that he didn't think there was any way
to really enforce it, Like what are you going to do?
Have local police actually arrest the ICE Asians, So that
was his question. Yeah, he's not a lawyer, but it's interesting.
The mayor of Minneapolis, Jacob Frye, is an attorney. So

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just throwing this back.

Speaker 14 (01:16:20):
At you, Michael, Yeah, any what do you think.

Speaker 13 (01:16:24):
Do you think that that would be an enforceable situation
with an executive order saying these federal agents.

Speaker 14 (01:16:32):
Can't use any city owned.

Speaker 13 (01:16:34):
Properties to conduct their immigration enforcements.

Speaker 2 (01:16:38):
Well, I'll tell you what, Janis.

Speaker 1 (01:16:39):
You must be reading my mind, because that's what the
next thing I wanted to talk about a news conference
many and this is your reporting. Minneapolis Police Chief Brian
O'Hara and the mayor emphasize support for law abiding Somali's
and other immigrants who hold jobs and run businesses. People
who are fearful of ICE action should inform themselves about

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their rights, the official said O'Hara. This, janis, I never
thought i'd see this. Chief O'Hara also said that his
officers quote absolutely have a duty to intervene close quote
if people's rights are being violated. So you know, you
think in your mind's eye you kind of play that out.

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I mean, cop on cop, that's what we've devolved to
and it's sad and an answer to you question, I
don't think it would be upheld, but who knows. But
I mean, is that how you're reading this? He's talking
about cop on cop.

Speaker 13 (01:17:39):
Well, it does seem that way. I wasn't at that
news conference and didn't have an opportunity therefore to ask
a follow up question. But it's something that I would
like to clarify a little bit more. But I quoted
what he said, and it's just been again, one thing
after another. It's really hard to kind.

Speaker 14 (01:17:56):
Of keep up with.

Speaker 13 (01:17:57):
And just we're just at the stage where we're still
trying to figure out the scale of this. Yeah, let
alone the causes of it.

Speaker 1 (01:18:09):
Yep, it's just and I'm telling you you know more
than me about it. Something tells me this story is
going to be around for a while, don't you think?

Speaker 2 (01:18:19):
Yes?

Speaker 13 (01:18:20):
And at the same time, the state of Minnesota has
just come up with its budget for next year three
billion with a bee in the hole whoa, And people
are really Minnesotans are just a lot of them are
besides themselves overall of this from.

Speaker 1 (01:18:41):
What I've been hearing and reading, Really, I mean, that's
a good point. So it seems to you in the
early stages of this thing that ordinary citizens are pretty
fired up about this.

Speaker 13 (01:18:53):
I do think that ordinary citizens kind of knew about
some of it, but it kind of fell off the radar.
The one expert I interviewed who has been following this
for four years. There's kind of like this big splash
of publicity when there were two hundred federal Asians swooped
in in early twenty twenty two from one of the scandals.
Then there was like a nine month gap before anybody

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was charged, and so the story didn't do.

Speaker 14 (01:19:18):
What we in the business call have legs, meaning, you know.

Speaker 13 (01:19:22):
Just the one story, it's not going to stay in
the news cycle. It's not going to stay in even
the public's mind. People move on to other things. So
you know, unless you have several stories one after another
with developments, it's just not going to have legs. But boy,
this thing has a lot of legs. And I want

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to hear I hear this Zasy top guys singing right now,
she's got a less there you go. So it's been
really just just I've been writing about this. I think
I've done like ten stories in the last few days.
On Minneapolis. In Minnesota, it's been.

Speaker 2 (01:20:02):
Just a lot.

Speaker 13 (01:20:02):
And again, some of it I haven't even had a
chance to really delve into, like the small business administration,
like the doctor Oz medicaid aspect of this, and so
it just continues. I have really really a lot on
my plate on in Minnesota.

Speaker 2 (01:20:18):
It sure seems like it.

Speaker 1 (01:20:20):
One final question, how is the city of Minneapolis? Do
you like it a good city in spite of all
this stuff or not? Because something tells me you're going
to be spending some time there.

Speaker 13 (01:20:33):
I was kind of jake with my husband that I
kind of need to run an apartment or something. But
you know, Minnesota, the city of Minneapolis is really has
a lot of very pretty features to it.

Speaker 11 (01:20:46):
Lots of lakes.

Speaker 14 (01:20:47):
In fact, I think they call the state, you know,
the State of ten thousand Lakes or something like that.

Speaker 13 (01:20:52):
There's lakes and things everywhere, a lot of bike trails
things like that. But there, I went through some of
the parts too that are it's so nice and one
of the biggest problems in the downtown there's a very
high vacan see rate in the office towers, and some
of that is related to, you know, people working from

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home still you know, they got used to it during
the pandemic and.

Speaker 14 (01:21:17):
They're still doing it.

Speaker 13 (01:21:18):
But the other thing is this concern about crime, or
at least even the perception of crime. After the George
Floyd and defund the police calls there, when you have
people who don't feel safe, they're not going to go
into some of the Metro areas, and so there is
a lot of concern about what is going to happen

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there with.

Speaker 14 (01:21:41):
These vacancy rates.

Speaker 13 (01:21:42):
And then it shifts the tax burden to the residential
property owners. So there's a lot of moving parts to
all of this, and it's really affecting ordinary people.

Speaker 14 (01:21:55):
And I'm just on the edge of really.

Speaker 13 (01:21:57):
Looking into how ordinary people are really being affected.

Speaker 14 (01:22:01):
By all of this. And it goes to show people go,
I don't care.

Speaker 13 (01:22:03):
About politics, Well you need to because it affects you,
whether you realize.

Speaker 3 (01:22:07):
It or not.

Speaker 1 (01:22:08):
If you know what, if a citizen is not paying
attention to this story, I mean they don't have any
right to complain about anything with respect to elections. That's
always amazed me. Hey, we're out of time. Unfortunately, I
really appreciate your coverage on this thing. Janis more importantly,
your coverage that you're sharing with us. I get how
lucky we are to have that, and thank you.

Speaker 14 (01:22:31):
Oh I'm fortunate to share it.

Speaker 13 (01:22:33):
I'm just glad that to have that opportunity and a
great rapport with you, Mike, and wishing everybody a great
holiday season. I'm hoping I will still be on maybe
one more time before chrisas easily.

Speaker 2 (01:22:44):
Can I just count on it?

Speaker 14 (01:22:47):
Thank you so much, take care of it.

Speaker 1 (01:22:48):
Okay, thanks Janis. I'll tell you what. She's all over it.
And the reporting has been stellar and there are, like
she said, so many legs to this thing. We're gonna
be talking about this, I think for a long time
to come. And again the whole damn thing screams out
for that word accountability. Somebody's got to be held accountable

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for this. Hey, we got to take a break. But
when we get back open lines seven four, nine, seven, one,
eight hundred, the big one are the numbers. We can
talk about anything you want, So give us a call
or you have to listen to me. Mike Allen, Saturday midday.

Speaker 10 (01:23:30):
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Speaker 1 (01:23:37):
Minutes of same gonna get to the calls here in
just a second. I did want to make an announcement.
Peter Bronson a frequent guest on this show, and he's
going to be again. I wanted to get him on
today but ran out of space. He'll be on next week.
He's out with a new book. It's called Magical History Tour,
and it's a little bit different book than Peter usually does.

(01:23:59):
Five shorts stories, ten places to visit in Cincinnati if
you're into Cincinnati history. We're going to have him on
next week to talk about it. I can't wait. I
have literally written or read every book that he's done.
Excellent author. I'm about a third of the way through
on this one. So next week, Peter Bronson. All right,

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let's get to the phones, starting out with our friend
Bobby Jay.

Speaker 3 (01:24:26):
Mike, thanks for taking my call. Have a great day today,
and I'll make it quick. I got a couple of
things i'd like to make comparisons on. If I'm may
Well and I want to do this one thing. I
want to be objective. I want to take away the
ethnic aspect out of it. Okay, take away that up
in Minnesota, take it away in Cincinnati. Okay, Okay, they

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are all both controlled by the democratic machine. Yeah, democratic
machine that we knew in the past. It's it's full
of nothing but progressive anarchist right now. So knowing that
you have to think of that way, and if you
take away the ethnic has spected of it, you have
over seers, which is the councils. They're all controlled by

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Democrat mayors. They're all controlled by Democrat councils. They're overseers.
People don't like to use that word because it brings
up thing that has to do with ethnic persuasion right
back in the eighteen fifties and everything. It's no different
way it is now. Well, you control the cities just
like they would a twenty first century plantation.

Speaker 2 (01:25:31):
Well, you're absolutely right about that, I mean, and it
seems to me every time there's a problem, racial or whatever,
it's a Democrat mayor. And you know what, that is
a good comparison or a good thing to an example
to make because it's sure looking that way to me.

Speaker 3 (01:25:52):
It's hard to say that because people don't want to
go ahead and just be honest with themselves. It's no
different this eight million dollars.

Speaker 6 (01:25:58):
Dogm that they're wanting to do for four hundred. P Wow.
Figure it out.

Speaker 3 (01:26:02):
The county is only go to pay sixty eight thousand
out of eight million. Yep, I mean out of four
hundred people in the class action lawsuit. And go ahead
and do you at eight million. Pretty nice little day,
wasn't it.

Speaker 1 (01:26:14):
Sure is in my understanding why the county's portion of
it is so much lower than the cities'. It just
had something to do with the jail, which you know,
it's not a nice place as jails go. It's okay,
but that's apparently what they're saying with the county.

Speaker 6 (01:26:32):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:26:33):
I got one more thing, and I'll get was there
any type of charges and the federal courts for civil
rights violations?

Speaker 6 (01:26:41):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:26:42):
No, no, there was not.

Speaker 6 (01:26:43):
They just none.

Speaker 3 (01:26:45):
So these people in the county just I guess they
just take it upon themselves to say there were civil
rights violations. There were now federal charges on anything.

Speaker 2 (01:26:53):
Yeah, I guess these did their job through negotiations that
kind of thing. But I don't know, it's just it load.

Speaker 1 (01:27:00):
And you know, I had Christopher Smithman on earlier and
he said, hey, you know, and again I don't know
all the facts. Why wouldn't the city try the case
and you know, maybe get a verdict that they're not liable.
I don't know, but the way the city is throwing
money away these days is just incredible.

Speaker 3 (01:27:21):
Well, thanks for taking my time, my friend, and wish
you well and all the listeners.

Speaker 2 (01:27:27):
All right, thanks Bobby, Jay, appreciate it.

Speaker 6 (01:27:30):
Thank you, sir.

Speaker 2 (01:27:30):
Okay, that's a nice chunk of change, I mean for
going to a peaceful demonstration.

Speaker 1 (01:27:38):
Hey, let's talk to Jeff in Xenia. Hey, good morning, Jeff, good.

Speaker 6 (01:27:43):
Morning, my great show.

Speaker 15 (01:27:44):
Hey, I just wanted to say also too, I lived
up in Maine for about ten years and they had
a huge Somali population. Really oh yeah, I mean at
the time it was probably one of the largest in
the United States before Minnesota sorted wanting it en up
importing a lot. And if you got to yeah, well,

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if you've got to contact with Janice, the girl that
we had all from epic times, you might want to
mention that to her at some point because uh.

Speaker 2 (01:28:14):
You never know.

Speaker 15 (01:28:15):
Yeah, well, I mean you don't hear a lot about
Maine because it's so far out of the way up
there and it's such a small population. But you know,
news does travel fast. From money's involved.

Speaker 2 (01:28:27):
Well, sure it does.

Speaker 1 (01:28:28):
And the community where you're talking about, are they all
abiding for the most part? Uh, that kind of thing,
because I never I never heard anything about it.

Speaker 15 (01:28:38):
Well they were, But when I was up there, I
just found it really odd that you'd take people out
of Sub Saharan Africa and bring them up to, you know,
a fairly cold area because we get anywhere from two
to six feet of snow up there. And uh, it
was I mean they had taken over. I mean they
they had a lot of businesses there everything, and I'm
not sure what the numbers were, but said when I

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was up and I was from twenty six to sixteen
at the time, it was quite a large population up there,
and they had some other funny business going on to
that I could talk to you off the air or
get a hold of you, because there were some things
going on up there that basically just got overlooked because
it's just not a it's a fairly closed.

Speaker 6 (01:29:21):
Society up there.

Speaker 15 (01:29:22):
They don't like a lot of outsiders as because I
was always called I was from away. I was never
considered a maner. I was always from away, okay, And
it's just.

Speaker 6 (01:29:31):
The way things work.

Speaker 15 (01:29:32):
Up there, but it might be something she might if
I mean, not that she needs a little more work
to do, but it might be something she puts on
her radar at some point, because you never know.

Speaker 1 (01:29:41):
I will definitely definitely tell her that. And I appreciate
you filling us in.

Speaker 2 (01:29:46):
Jeff, Hey, have a great day, Mike.

Speaker 1 (01:29:48):
Okay, you too, Thank you. All right, let's go to Fred. Hey, Fred,
Hey morning, thanks for good morning. Good morning.

Speaker 6 (01:29:57):
Hey. I appreciate you taking my call. Great show is
always you have.

Speaker 16 (01:30:02):
Fantastic people on and you really hit the important things.

Speaker 6 (01:30:06):
And the only thing to me.

Speaker 16 (01:30:08):
That makes it all make sense is that this is
just another tentacle of an organized crime organization that is
simply looking for every different way.

Speaker 6 (01:30:19):
It can to skim money.

Speaker 16 (01:30:21):
The whole sexcapades and everything else going on with that
is simply to keep people in line and to keep
them interested. But everything goes back to money in Minnesota,
in Cincinnati and everything behind the scenes. They're simply trying
to find a new way to skim every moment of it.
And the only way it makes sense is that that's
a conspiracy to further these things, and the other rest

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of it is simply to keep you look in other places.
Oh it's racial. Oh it's this, Oh it's that, It isn't.
The Only thing it is is money. How do we
take it? How do we get more power? How do
we take more money?

Speaker 6 (01:30:58):
Well?

Speaker 1 (01:30:58):
You know what I think, is this thing goes on,
You're probably right they'll find some kind of organized crime
aspect to it. Maybe not their traditional mafia, I doubt that,
but this thing screams out to be in federal court,
not state court, which I guess some of them were
initially put there. I hope, and I think at some

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point it'll end up in federal court.

Speaker 16 (01:31:21):
Well, look at the Cincinnati thing with this payoff that
they're making right now. Goodness, well that makes a whole
lot of sense, though when you make it a national
situation with the elections coming up this coming year, and
that they need these people back on the street causing trouble.

Speaker 6 (01:31:40):
So this is a.

Speaker 16 (01:31:40):
Perfect way to pay them off. You got four hundred
experienced rioters that are now going to have pockets full
of money, and when they're called to come out in
the summer and start causing trouble again, they're going to
do it willingly, thinking they're going to get paid off again.

Speaker 2 (01:31:57):
Well, they got job experience at that point. Right.

Speaker 1 (01:32:00):
I've read a number of things where not all of them,
but a great number of these protesters are being paid
by someone.

Speaker 16 (01:32:08):
Oh there's no question about it, and I know that
for a fact. Well, but they are most certainly getting
paid off. And that's what the whole thing is. It's
it isn't the traditional mafia, you know, it is the
elusive deep state. And the more you produce for that,
the more you're the more you're capo's and everybody else

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above you will will appreciate you being a good earner.
It's the same thing as the mafia, but it's just
you know, it's controlled nationally, and that's what's going on
with the Somalis. It's what's going on with everybody. But
if you if you keep pointing your finger at racism, racism, homophobe,
it just is done to keep more smoke and mirrors going.

Speaker 2 (01:32:54):
Well, I'll tell you I appreciate the call, Fred, appreciate
you taking Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:33:00):
Yeah, he talked about screaming racism. What's that, Sally, there's
a saying it's the last vestige of a scoundrel. Just
to throw that out. It's lost virtually all of its meaning.
And it's a shame because I believe there are real
racists in the world, and some in this country, of

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both races, but so minute in number.

Speaker 2 (01:33:26):
It's just, you know, nobody gets anywhere piggybacking on that. Maybe, oh,
islamophobe that might have a little bit more cachet to it,
who knows. I don't care what they call me. Hey,
let's talk to Tony in Westchester. Thank you, Mike for
taking my call, my pleasure, and then you do put.

Speaker 4 (01:33:47):
On a grand, I mean grand show, and all.

Speaker 11 (01:33:51):
The people that's called in I feel.

Speaker 6 (01:33:57):
Lower than them.

Speaker 3 (01:33:59):
I don't know why, all right, because I'm just a
simple man.

Speaker 6 (01:34:03):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (01:34:05):
No, I appreciate that, and I appreciate the call too, Tony,
thank you. I don't know where to Tony's called before,
great guy, but I just don't know where he was
going on that.

Speaker 2 (01:34:15):
Hey, let's talk to Kate. Hey, Kate, how you doing.

Speaker 17 (01:34:21):
I'm doing okay. I just want to know where do
I sign up to start my class action suit from
twenty twenty. Because I watched the Democrats in Lockstep, bow
and scrape in front of the Zolensky promised to send money.

Speaker 18 (01:34:38):
Everywhere, but to the US.

Speaker 17 (01:34:41):
I felt threatened by a president who came onto the
television saying that they were losing their patients because we
weren't taking the vaccine that was misrepresented and full of
holes as far as even biological accuracy.

Speaker 2 (01:34:57):
And that's coming out now.

Speaker 17 (01:35:00):
I am feeling, like, you know, I've got revisiting post
traumatic stress at this point.

Speaker 11 (01:35:07):
I've never up.

Speaker 17 (01:35:08):
Until then, bought a gun. I bought weapons, I bought ammo.
I'm in a peaceful Midwestern suburb, and I was concerned
that these blm peaceful protest rioters were going to be
coming into our neighborhoods dragging us out of our houses.

Speaker 14 (01:35:26):
Who do I go see about this?

Speaker 17 (01:35:28):
I am just thinking about it, and I'm so angry
for what they put me through. There's got to be
other people feeling this.

Speaker 2 (01:35:35):
Way, and I understand that too, And I don't put
anything past anybody or any group anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:35:41):
I mean, you know, it's kind of a wild West
out there. As far as a legal basis for it.

Speaker 2 (01:35:46):
I don't know that you have that yet, but a
lot of people are thinking like you're thinking, Kate.

Speaker 4 (01:35:55):
I would love to.

Speaker 17 (01:35:57):
Stay in touch with that Mike, I appreciate your programs
and thank you for taking my call. I just revisit
those theoretical or supposed lawmakers in DC at that time,
and the whole sums up to theater, the word that
started being used, and it was all theater. They nearly
ruined the country. They you know, when Trump was in

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the first time, they undermined him at every turn.

Speaker 6 (01:36:24):
Yep.

Speaker 17 (01:36:25):
Well nobody seems to. It doesn't come up very much anymore.
Nobody revisits and says, excuse me, remember all this crap
they put us through.

Speaker 2 (01:36:33):
Yeah, I know, And you know what, I'm glad you
said that.

Speaker 1 (01:36:36):
You're right, because I think the average voter has a
damn short memory, you know, and Trump can be abrasive
and he can't you know, honk people off. Look at
the results though, look at the results. But people have
a short memory, especially people that go to vote.

Speaker 2 (01:36:56):
Maybe we made a.

Speaker 17 (01:36:57):
Video compilation of Nancy tearing up his speech, of her
sarcastic little clap, undermining him, trying to impeach him. Yep,
the whole Biden crime family, you know, on and on.
You know where I'm going. It just needs to be
got up in a nice video compumation to remind people.

Speaker 2 (01:37:17):
I get it, Kate, Hey, I got to go.

Speaker 1 (01:37:19):
I got one more caller, I gotta get in uh
SETI in Columbus. Hey, thanks for hanging in there with us.
What you got and you got to be quick. Unfortunately,
all right.

Speaker 6 (01:37:28):
Mike, real quick.

Speaker 11 (01:37:29):
Uh.

Speaker 18 (01:37:29):
The Somali investigation in Minnesota needs to needs to boil
over into Columbus where we have a extremely an extremely
large population of Somali's.

Speaker 2 (01:37:41):
Somebody told me that it's.

Speaker 18 (01:37:44):
I'm telling you, Mike, and our governor yesterday disappointed me
yet again. He got on he made a a I
guess it was a press release or something, and he
didn't say, Ohio is looking into it or anything.

Speaker 9 (01:37:55):
He just said.

Speaker 18 (01:37:57):
Our Somali population are all good people or something like that.
And I'm not I'm not doubting that. I'm just saying,
if they're looking at one city, they need to look
at all the cities and and see if this problem,
which is did I hear you correctly?

Speaker 6 (01:38:12):
Eight billion with a beat?

Speaker 1 (01:38:14):
Well that's what That's what some of the one at
least one whistleblower is saying. It could get up to
six to eight billion, which is just astounding.

Speaker 18 (01:38:25):
That and imagine you put that in two or three
other cities, and you know there's going to be more.

Speaker 6 (01:38:30):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:38:30):
That's I don't know.

Speaker 18 (01:38:32):
My I hope Ohio, I hope Governor de Wine or
whoever is looking. I guess it's the FEDS that are looking.

Speaker 6 (01:38:38):
I hope they.

Speaker 18 (01:38:39):
I hope they looking at their Columbus.

Speaker 2 (01:38:41):
Well, I think we're at the tip of the iceberg.
I appreciate the call. I gotta get going, though, Buddy, Okay,
you know what.

Speaker 1 (01:38:50):
This thing, you know, as Jannis said, it's got legs
and we haven't heard the last of this by any
stretch of the imagination. Hey, I'm out of time, which
means I'm out out here. Mike Allens seven hundred WLW